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Title: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on November 01, 2010, 03:55:56 PM
I've had the same pair of ace trucks for well over a year, maybe even 2 and i fuckin love them. they're minimal, after skating with these for so long, when i look at someone else's trucks they look wayyy to big to me. they got the most fantastic crooked grind groove ever too, BUT, the pivot cup is all fucked up, i tried taking them apart and replacing the pivot cup but they put something in there so it won't come out. i tried pliers to no avail and even tried to burn it out but the fumes and the fact that it might not work were freaking me out so i just put it back on all mangled. as of now it rides fine i guess but it turns to one side so bad.

so, too long, but is there any way to get those fucking pivot cups out? i guess my second concern is that i do finally get it out and the new one i have doesn't fit in right. but i really don't want to buy new trucks. what's the word?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on November 01, 2010, 04:04:46 PM
why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on November 01, 2010, 04:45:25 PM
fuck new trucks.

thanks for that link tho, got a pair of replacement baseplates for ~ 7.50$ shipped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on November 01, 2010, 05:49:35 PM
why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)

What a weird website!  You can buy baseplates for Ace and Indy's for $1.95 a piece!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on November 01, 2010, 11:19:56 PM
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why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
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What a weird website!  You can buy baseplates for Ace and Indy's for $1.95 a piece!
Weird, but awesome, definitely.

My only problem with Aces have been that the bushings have been deteriorating pretty much from the get-go. Need to put some Bones in there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on November 07, 2010, 11:35:04 PM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: noileum on November 08, 2010, 12:55:35 AM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

(http://www.acetruckmfg.com/homebanners/sizechart.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on November 08, 2010, 03:03:15 AM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on November 08, 2010, 03:36:16 AM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

(http://www.acetruckmfg.com/homebanners/sizechart.jpg)


Its all preference.  Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better.  They are just a tiny bit wider than the board.  I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75.  They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: codeine on December 13, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
I rode a pair of 33s for nearly a year even. I was so hyped when I'd grinded away the number on the hangar!

But like the first post, the pivot cup was mangled half way through the life of the trucks. I replaced the bottom one and originally replaced the bushings with a Red Indy bushing and a bottom white bones bushing. (not sure of the durameter on either of those).

They rode like a dream. I preferred the turning "flop" over the Indy radius.

But since there were no immediate shops in the area that stocked them and I wanted to skate. I've been back on Thunder Highs 2nd set in a row since the Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: H8R part 4 on December 13, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
i rode a pair of 22s and 33s, and they're pretty good trucks.  they grind great right and they turn great, probably better than most of the trucks i've ridden.  its unfortunate that they just come with terrible bushings, but i threw in some orange indy stock bushings and they were good to go.

the axle is a optical illusion, i don't know?  its definitely looks bent but it doesn't ride like its bent, i can't explain it?, but it really wasn't an issue for me, its not like i'm riding around and staring at my trucks. 

you can remove the pivot cup.  its a bitch sometimes but its not that difficult if you know what you're doing.  it works with the standard pivot cup as well.  my cups got trashed so i threw on some old venture pivot cups and they worked just fine.     

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on December 13, 2010, 11:01:48 PM
aces are at their best with bones bushing. i don't like the stock ones.
i read somewhere else on slap that the bent axle look is from the design. there is more "metal" in the middle of the hanger then edges. so it looks bent. and if you place it on a flat surface.. they will rock. but the axle is indeed straight. if your axle was bent. wouldn't your wheels reverse cone? (sorta)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on December 14, 2010, 12:45:47 AM
what did you use to pull the pivot cups out? i tried a bunch of things, even tried to set them on fire and burn them out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Foray on December 14, 2010, 01:48:05 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on December 14, 2010, 03:00:27 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Or you could just put a washer in there...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: H8R part 4 on December 14, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
what did you use to pull the pivot cups out? i tried a bunch of things, even tried to set them on fire and burn them out

needle nose pliers. 
i actually pulled one out the other day and inserted a venture one just because of this thread. 
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4113/image411m.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on December 15, 2010, 03:25:17 PM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

I have been riding the same set of 55's for about 2 and half years, my front one is ground to the axle in a couple of spots and has not bent. I ride 8.75's, and 55's fit perfect, but I think the 66 would work fine as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on December 16, 2010, 04:08:11 AM
I haven't had any problems with the pivot cups on my Ace's. I put some lithium grease in them when I swapped the bushings for Bones ones to get rid of any squeaking. Now they are just delightful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Archers of Chaka on December 16, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
From my experiences pivot cups have always been a pain to get out with any kind of truck. Had a set of indys once where for one of the trucks the pivot cup would just slide right out, a little too easily actually, which was pretty cool, reduced the hassle. I think i may have gotten one that they accidentally made a bit smaller cause it would go in and come out super easily.

Whenever I get new trucks I always like to keep as much of the old shit as possible, including the pivot cup. Right now I'm skating a set of indys with new baseplates mixed with my old bushings and hangers. the axle for one of the hangers is so worn out that the nut wont even catch on to the threads, it just screws straight through without catching on to the point where you can tighten them all the way down with your fingers, so i superglued that shit on there. The hanger is still skateable so why waste it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dbk on December 21, 2010, 03:32:20 AM
To remove a pivot that you don't intend to re-use, try a sharp awl to pry it out. Or an awl with a pair of needlenose pliers/vicegrips as someone else suggested.

Whatever you do, do not light them on fire. The gas released from burning urethane is incredibly toxic and not something you want to  mess with.

Some trucks used to have a small hole in the baseplate under the pivot cup so you could simply poke out the pivot from the bottom. Might not be a half-bad idea to drill one yourself if you like using your baseplates for as long as possible and transferring them over.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vince the stud on December 26, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
i am dying to try a pair...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on July 14, 2013, 03:46:03 AM
i want to get trucks for an 8.25 should i go with the 44s or 33s. I currently skate a 8.125 and want to move up to start shredding more tranny and shit. let me know what you guys think. thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 14, 2013, 06:04:53 AM
i want to get trucks for an 8.25 should i go with the 44s or 33s. I currently skate a 8.125 and want to move up to start shredding more tranny and shit. let me know what you guys think. thanks
44s. I have them on an 8.3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SkateViolence on July 14, 2013, 08:03:01 AM
44's for sure. I have them on my 8.25 and it is perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 15, 2013, 09:23:55 AM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ShihtzuEnthusiast on July 15, 2013, 11:39:46 AM
If y'all are having trouble taking out pivot cups, I found that using a staple remover works great.

(http://leahkayajanian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/stapleremover.jpg)

Just push the metal teeth into the side of the old pivot cup and scoop it out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kinch on July 17, 2013, 02:20:27 AM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?

They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on July 17, 2013, 02:26:52 AM
thanks for answering my question ill definitely be coping a pair of 44s. With aces ive had before i rocked bones medium with one of the washers. They are a little stiff at first but become awesome after a week of shredding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 17, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
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I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?
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They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.

Thanks.  I'll give it a shot with the stock bushings but have some Bones Hards ready for the eventual swap.  As far as running the top washer, I just got used to taking it off because, in my experience, Bones won't fit in Thunders with the top washer and I haven't ever had problems without it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kinch on July 17, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
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I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?
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They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.
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Thanks.  I'll give it a shot with the stock bushings but have some Bones Hards ready for the eventual swap.  As far as running the top washer, I just got used to taking it off because, in my experience, Bones won't fit in Thunders with the top washer and I haven't ever had problems without it.

No worries, I had a similar issue with Thunders but with Aces they fit no problem with the washer. Coincidentally I also switched from a set of Thunders to Aces and now I wouldn't go back, enjoy that shit man.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: J.R. on July 17, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
Are these trucks considered hi's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on July 17, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Are these trucks considered hi's?

Yes but they do make lows in 22 and 33 sizes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 09, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
Bump. Just got some high 33's. The winter is still aggressive, but I figured buying new shit would get me amped for spring.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: filmthis on February 09, 2014, 01:58:40 PM
Bump. Just got some high 33's. The winter is still aggressive, but I figured buying new shit would get me amped for spring.
even though i'm recovering from an ankle injury (it'll be a little while...), i just got some 44's. definitely hyped me up to keep up with my physical therapy because having fresh stuff in reserve is just plain nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on February 09, 2014, 03:21:53 PM
Got some 44s for Christmas.  Skated them no more than 3 times due to shit weather, but they feel great.  Except for stupid creaky pivot cup on one of them  :-\
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on February 09, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I got some 44s on a Christmas complete and I've skated it probably 10 times. I love how the trucks turn, but they're still super squeaky. They grind a little weird because the way the hanger is curved so that will take some getting used to. I heard they made it like that so that your grind on the side of the truck rather than in the middle. Mine broke in almost instantly and they keep feeling looser and looser the more I skate them. I've been skating that set up mostly this winter, but today I rode my other set up with Indy 139s and they felt so tight today, even though I originally set the aces around the same as my Indys, and I wouldn't have considered the Indys to be tight before I got the aces. Overall I love them and back them 100%.

Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 09, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
^^^that gets me psyched. I went from a pair of indys to thunders and now to ace. Indy and thunders could not get loose enough even with bones for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SkateViolence on February 09, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Aces are the shit. I've been skating them for almost a year now and I jumped on a board with Indys the other day and felt like I couldn't turn at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: soccer mom on February 09, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on February 09, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
I walked in to the shop the other day and picked a pair of raw 33's... Walked out with stage 11 139's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on February 09, 2014, 10:25:14 PM
I got some 44s on a Christmas complete and I've skated it probably 10 times. I love how the trucks turn, but they're still super squeaky. They grind a little weird because the way the hanger is curved so that will take some getting used to. I heard they made it like that so that your grind on the side of the truck rather than in the middle. Mine broke in almost instantly and they keep feeling looser and looser the more I skate them. I've been skating that set up mostly this winter, but today I rode my other set up with Indy 139s and they felt so tight today, even though I originally set the aces around the same as my Indys, and I wouldn't have considered the Indys to be tight before I got the aces. Overall I love them and back them 100%.

Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.

After reading your description of how ace's turn, there is no way I could ever skate those, I love the way they look though, the shape of the hanger is cool, reminds me of a wider Indy 109.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on February 10, 2014, 06:30:08 AM
I walked in to the shop the other day and picked a pair of raw 33's... Walked out with stage 11 139's.


awesome.


Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.


realized that i ace doesnt come with bones bushings and i got them confused with theeve. if i were going to go with bones bushings on my indys to get close to the same feel as my aces, would you guys go with soft of medium?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on February 10, 2014, 11:48:32 AM
I think I'm going to try out Aces on my next board. I've been on nothing but Indy's for a long long time, and it would be nice to do something new.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 6 pac on February 10, 2014, 11:58:48 AM
im on my first pair of aces, for almost an half year now and im about to order my second pair.
i ride mine with bones medium bushings and khiro soft pivot cups, its the perfect truck for me and i was on indys and thunders before.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on February 10, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
It feels like you can do figure 8 s on flat....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on February 12, 2014, 08:21:54 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some

I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weigh 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on February 13, 2014, 08:31:38 AM
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Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
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I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on February 13, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Do they make an 8.0/8.125 truck? I just stepped down from 8.5 and need a new set of trucks. I might end up going to 8.25 so I guess I could always get the 44's. But most likely I'll stay at 8/8.125.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 13, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
Do they make an 8.0/8.125 truck? I just stepped down from 8.5 and need a new set of trucks. I might end up going to 8.25 so I guess I could always get the 44's. But most likely I'll stay at 8/8.125.

I got the 33s. I have yet to receive them in the mail, but they are allegedly for 7.88-8.125
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 15, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
just got the 33's. rode em and they feel loose compared to the thunder hi's i had before. look forward to skating em tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cajungly on February 15, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
my hanger snapped through the side of the pivot cups i wanna get a new baseplate but there 10 bucks cheaper than the trucks themselves has anyone ever heard of refunds through ace or know anyone to contact thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on February 15, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
my hanger snapped through the side of the pivot cups i wanna get a new baseplate but there 10 bucks cheaper than the trucks themselves has anyone ever heard of refunds through ace or know anyone to contact thanks

You're probably thinking of the magnesium baseplates.. Try contacting them at [email protected] , they answer pretty quickly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 27, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
im on my first pair of aces, for almost an half year now and im about to order my second pair.
i ride mine with bones medium bushings and khiro soft pivot cups, its the perfect truck for me and i was on indys and thunders before.

I've got a set of 44s with bones mediums, soft khiro cups and magnesium plates, epic combination; I've ridden them on 8.125"/8.25"/8.38"s

On my 8.75" setup I use a set of 55s, bowl use only.

A couple of years ago I rode some 03 lows with bones hards, seemed to work well

Now as far as comparing them to other trucks, the new V3 Theeves w/out the top washer are really stellar trucks and I prefer them to ACE on street as they are more stable/less squirrly, but if you skate tranny, Aces are untouchable (having skated stage 11/thunder/theeve in tranny).

One thing of note, if you ride loose and use the kihro aluminum insert bushing ACEs will destroy them.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Matt on March 05, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
I will throw this out there that while Ace Trucks may not look the best they are very solid and I am not the only one in my group of skaters to ride them. All in all they are a great set of trucks!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on March 31, 2014, 03:36:42 AM
I'm dying with my current set of thunders and might want to try out Aces. If 147s feel a bit too narrow for an 8.125, should I go for the 44s or 33s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 6 pac on March 31, 2014, 03:48:04 AM
if 147 feels too narrow you should go with 44s.
im riding 33s on 8,125 boards and im happy with it, if youre riding 44s youre axle will stick out a little bit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on March 31, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
Damn, basically it'll be a mindfuck either way. Guess I'll have to decide which width looks worse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 02, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
I use a flathead screwdriver and just pry it out, hasn't failed me yet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on April 02, 2014, 11:32:52 AM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SOFT 7 on April 02, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
dont fuck with your pivot cups if you dont have to. They are the worst thing to break in, and new ones will make your trucks feel like shit. As a temporary fix. try putting a very small amount of grease on the tip of your hanger, where it goes in the pivot cup. While your truck is apart, put some grease in and around your bushing seats also. If the sound goes away, great. If it comes back, use some sand paper to rough up those same spots.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 03, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
The axel is starting to slip on mine. Ill be skating and one wheel will be super loose while the other one is locked in tight.  Not too much of a big deal but that shit gets annoying. I am sure its a defect but the shit thing is I am in China and Aces are hard to find here. Which is why I dont want to even inform Ace about it because shipping is expensive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 05, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
Had that happen on a set of mine after they where worn out, I just added extra washers and kept the bolt a little loose so there was some play.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 05, 2014, 07:23:58 PM
I'm currently skating  some indys but am really tempted to try out some ace trucks. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how they compare to one another? Also I'm guessing for 8.25 should I go with ace 44? Would these poke out of my board? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on April 05, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
I'm currently skating  some indys but am really tempted to try out some ace trucks. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how they compare to one another? Also I'm guessing for 8.25 should I go with ace 44? Would these poke out of my board? 

Ace 44 are 8.25 axle and made for 8.25.

However, imo, Ace are really lacking for street tricks (flat/rail/ledge/impact). Ace are lighter and turn more cruisier than Indy, and are great for transition and bowls. However, note that only Indy/Thunder/Venture are USA-made, and Ace are manufactured in China. I have serious problems with locking in, balance, and grinding on street obstacles compared to Indy and Thunder. I would recommend Indy > Ace due to Indy being much more of a quality U.S. build, much better for street, and are equal to Ace in transition.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 05, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
A lot of the newer Indy's are made in china, all Indy axles and nuts are now Chinese. I have tried to skate friends boards with Indy's on them and after 5 years of riding ACE, Indy feel like shit!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on April 05, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
Ace hangers are convexed too which makes them a little but harder to get used to grinding street obstacles. They make them that way so you lock into grinds on your wheel, making them a good option for tranny, but they're a bit sketchy on rails and ledges.

And it's quite obvious that ace skate really loose and turny, but they're super stable. After you're used to them, all other trucks are going to feel tighter. I tried to get the same turn out of my Indys as I had on my ace so I loosened them up a bunch and I could barely ride for the first like half hour because they were so floppy. I like them now, but it definitely took some getting used to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 09:50:02 AM
Man I'm honestly torn between either getting a new set of indys or the ace but I'll give ace a shot. I really want to get into skating tranny and I'm sure after time I'll get use to grinding in them. Thanks a lot for all the input guys!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 06, 2014, 11:18:15 AM
Stick with Indy or Thunder. They are mostly made in SF still, except the forged stuff. I'm sure the bolts and nuts, etc are just mass-produced and every truck manufacturer uses the same.

The Stage 11 turn really well, are higher than Aces and are stronger, form what I've seen. Ace metal feels very different also... softer perhaps?

If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Just an opinion...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 12:10:28 PM
Thunders are also pretty great. The last pair I had were some 149 raws and those were great. I'm also interested in the new thunders that they recently started to make.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: wallieD on April 06, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Man I'm honestly torn between either getting a new set of indys or the ace but I'll give ace a shot. I really want to get into skating tranny and I'm sure after time I'll get use to grinding in them. Thanks a lot for all the input guys!
ace are probably the best trucks i've skated. been riding them for the last few years and had no problems, other than pivot cups wearing out/ a problem for me with any trucks. and the kingpins can get loose, but i've skated with them like that for a year, and they never broke. recently i've been wanting to change things up and skate a bulkier hanger though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Willie on April 06, 2014, 01:16:24 PM
Are Ace 44s 8.25 or 8.5?

I keep wanting to try something bigger than 8.0 but the last two times I tried new trucks I hated the results and was out $90. Thunder 149s were wheelbite city and Indy Stage 10s were heavy and slow.

Currently riding Hi Venture 5.2s which are a weird truck but I'm used to them. Seems like nobody else on the planet rides Venture Hi's...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 06, 2014, 03:33:11 PM
You can ride 44's on boards up to 8.75
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 06, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
i'm a recent convert.  Vegan Seanny helped talk me into it

at first it was hard to get used to how turney they are, even with them tightened up.  didn't take too long though.  i'm really digging them now and would probably dislike riding Indy's, though i am intrigued by the titanium ones

i like that Ace are slightly lighter, less bulky, and nice clean lines.   minus is the pivot cups blew out on me quickly.  i would buy some ahead of time to have around.  i'm riding mine with bones mediums. 

the other reason i wanted to get them is i wanted to bump up to a slightly bigger set up, but no a 8.5.  44's seem perfect for 8.25 range deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Does any pivot cup work? I'm thinking of ordering some ace 44 with bones medium and some extra pivot cups just in case off of tactics but I'm not sure if some indy pivot cups will work just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 06, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
i'm sure they do.  i've red people using whichever brand, but i went ahead and bought the Ace ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 06, 2014, 05:23:36 PM
I used Indy and Ace ones with no issue. I would recommend getting extra pivot cups, hopefully they will get that defect fixed soon. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: heritage on April 06, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 06, 2014, 08:09:05 PM
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Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.

i went from thunders to the ace 33's and loved how they turned. i just couldn't get used to riding my thunders just as loose with such a low king pin.. i posted on here my accels slipped (for sure a defect) and i am living in china where ace's aren't stocked at the local shop. i would have boughten another pair easily if they were around.. had to get some venture hi's and they work pretty well so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 06, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
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Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.

Currently using the new Thunder 149s with broken-in-to-shit bones meds, 55mm wheels and 1/8" riser pad and get very little wheelbite problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 07, 2014, 05:21:01 PM
To me turning wise you can't even bring in thunder in the same conversation.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chickeneverymeal on April 08, 2014, 11:46:38 PM
I got some Ace 2 months ago and really liked how they felt. However sunday both axles slipped. I have never had a pair personally that had one slip let alone 2 at the same time. Got some thunder lights now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SodaJerk on April 09, 2014, 04:27:57 AM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 09, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
To me turning wise you can't even bring in thunder in the same conversation.....

I don't know... with the right riser and bushing combo you can get a very responsive, loose turn out of thunders, especially the 151s and new 149s. I put a bones med on the bottom (with washer) and leave the stock top bushing (which is soft and slim)... using the regular baseplates (non-forged) gives you a bit more height and leverage also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on April 10, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
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Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
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I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

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I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s


Mine didn't hold up so well.  I loved them while they lasted though.  A few days ago I started noticing a weird sag from my board and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was.  I took a close look at my trucks and realized that not only did one of them look pretty bent but there is a hairline crack in the hanger that's split all the way down to the axle...

(http://i.imgur.com/Fljm2Ru.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/twrTBkw.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/dFJQDTs.jpg?1)

I broke the hanger on my last set of Thunders also so I might just have shit luck...
(http://i.imgur.com/RqK1SmL.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on April 10, 2014, 09:31:43 PM
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I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
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It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...

edit: just put brand new Ace bushings in, just turning the truck with my hand feels 10x better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 10, 2014, 10:35:44 PM
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Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
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I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

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I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s

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Mine didn't hold up so well.  I loved them while they lasted though.  A few days ago I started noticing a weird sag from my board and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was.  I took a close look at my trucks and realized that not only did one of them look pretty bent but there is a hairline crack in the hanger that's split all the way down to the axle...

(http://i.imgur.com/Fljm2Ru.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/twrTBkw.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/dFJQDTs.jpg?1)

I broke the hanger on my last set of Thunders also so I might just have shit luck...
(http://i.imgur.com/RqK1SmL.jpg?2)

sheeeeeit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tanginacat on April 11, 2014, 01:13:10 AM
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I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
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It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
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They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...

edit: just put brand new Ace bushings in, just turning the truck with my hand feels 10x better.
this is happening in my koston 149's with bones med i think bones dont fuck with barrel type trucks just my 2 cents tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 04, 2014, 01:50:04 PM
Whats the sizing on the trucks? Is it"
03/33 8 inch, 44 8.5 inch, 55 9 inch, 66 9.5 inch?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 04, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Whats the sizing on the trucks? Is it"
03/33 8 inch, 44 8.5 inch, 55 9 inch, 66 9.5 inch?


I know the 44 is like 8.25, the 55 is 8.875, and 66 is 9.25. Not sure on the 33, I wanna say it's like 7.9 or something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on May 05, 2014, 03:24:56 AM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

Only plus side is it makes it tougher to hear my old man knees.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: b.v. on May 05, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

Only plus side is it makes it tougher to hear my old man knees.
If you have bones speed cream try putting a drop in each cup, helps for a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weepee on May 05, 2014, 08:54:58 AM
or use vaseline, it worked for my indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on May 05, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

They'll never go away on their own.

Put a drop of oil or wax or soap shavings in the pivot cup and the squeaks will cease.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 06, 2014, 08:34:17 AM
Anyone skated the 03'S? If so, how did you find them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on May 06, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
I had a set of the ACE lows (03's) last year. They felt a little too low for the turning radius and I ended up experiencing a lot wheel of bite. I tried using bones mediums, then bones hards with 52mm wheels and kept getting pitched when turning too sharp. Also the kingpin stuck out pretty high and would catch when grinding. The highs (33's) feel a lot better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 06, 2014, 10:44:25 AM
/\/\ Thanks for the reply, think i'll give them a miss.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 07, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
I had a set of the ACE lows (03's) last year. They felt a little too low for the turning radius and I ended up experiencing a lot wheel of bite. I tried using bones mediums, then bones hards with 52mm wheels and kept getting pitched when turning too sharp. Also the kingpin stuck out pretty high and would catch when grinding. The highs (33's) feel a lot better in my opinion.

But isn't that the same problem you will encounter with any pair of low trucks ? I don't see the point of riding low trucks unless all you do is skate the manual pad at your local park or just enjoy tight trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 26, 2014, 06:00:27 PM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
I think the Indys will hold up better but the aces turn mental.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on May 26, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
I think the Indys will hold up better but the aces turn mental.....
I decided to loosen my aces again...tightened em back up almost immediately...haha
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 26, 2014, 11:38:21 PM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.

ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Randozzi on May 27, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
half of that post was opinion and obviously slightly sarcastic.
you haven't tried the stage 11s.
Ace's are great trucks no doubt but to say Indys are slow is wrong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 27, 2014, 12:34:48 AM
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I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
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ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts


You are the fucking worst
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BRO on May 27, 2014, 12:53:13 AM
I was surprised earlier when I clicked on page 4 and didn't see a Vegan Shawn post, ballyhooing all aspects of ACE trucks. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 27, 2014, 02:26:49 AM
I can usually agree on things shawn says on here, but there's more than one version of indys out, theres a little something for everyone.
Ace's pivot area, i honestly don't know if that part has a name, looks way too thin and just throws me off looking at it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on May 27, 2014, 03:15:57 AM
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I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
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ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts


do fat people give you highfives for conforming?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on May 27, 2014, 06:29:13 AM
i might have made this comment before about compairing ace to indy, but this is what i think.

ace turn A LOT more. if you set up two boards, one with ace and one with indy, and you want them to turn the same, the indys will feel a hell of a lot looser when you step on the board. with ace, you still get the turn youd get out of a super loose truck, but since you dont have to loosen them as much, they ride a bit more stable. thats just how ive experienced the two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 27, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
Thanks guys, I'll think about it a little more and hopefully make my choice soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 10:04:32 AM
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on May 27, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
So I've ridden Indy 149s for years and years. My friend gave me a set of Ace 44s and I gotta say, they're pretty rad. They're much snappier than the Indys and have a much sharper turn.
Indy 149s are a jumbo jet, Ace 44s are a fighter jet.
I dig 'em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!

Ace gets a pass because people like the trucks.....

Go start a thread on how the hardware stacks up.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 11:08:50 AM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
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I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
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ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts

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do fat people give you highfives for conforming?

ha ha that's funny, plus I am not fat, I am fluffy :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
half of that post was opinion and obviously slightly sarcastic.
you haven't tried the stage 11s.
Ace's are great trucks no doubt but to say Indys are slow is wrong.

I rode a friends set up at the park the other day, they turn a little better, but he still had to take off washers, get different bushings to get them fairly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on May 27, 2014, 12:10:08 PM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)

Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
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Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
There's nothing else because I'm fucking right.  I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on May 27, 2014, 01:09:48 PM
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Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
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There's nothing else because I'm fucking right.  I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.

I agree with you on that. The people who skate ace, and the people who wear diamond shit, are two completley different types of people. If the marketing was done differently, i too believe both products would cater to the same crowd. But it doesnt matter to me, because ace trucks are complete shit, and i wouldnt wear a cheesy ass diamond tshirt if someone paid me to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rideflannel on May 27, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: art hellman on May 27, 2014, 02:02:02 PM
I have a brand new set of ACE 44s I'll sell to someone for $35 shipped.

PM me.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.

That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BRO on May 27, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
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For me, it's just trial and error with getting the bushings right.  What everyone has said about ACE being inherently loose and sharp turning is true.  I like them and still have 2 sets.  I'm skating Indys right now with a mix of Bones soft/med.  I usually just take them to our cheese grater to make them a little shorter, and ultimately looser/quicker responding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rideflannel on May 27, 2014, 04:42:43 PM
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I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
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That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?

Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
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I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
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That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?
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Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?



Ace makes a replacement pivot cup that is really good, have not blown one out. Also I think shorties makes one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2014, 11:11:50 PM
And if you want something between an Indy and ace....and don't really care what people think.....Theeve all the way....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on May 28, 2014, 02:12:36 AM
And if you want something between an Indy and ace....and don't really care what people think.....Theeve all the way....

Yes! Thats all i skate now! Ill probably get some indys next though....maybe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on May 28, 2014, 03:27:07 AM
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I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
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That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?
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Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?


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Ace makes a replacement pivot cup that is really good, have not blown one out. Also I think shorties makes one.

And Khiro I think, I have a set for when my pivot cups are completely shredded, theres still some rubber in there.

Never heard of the warping of the actual hole.. If you're down for ace, get the magnesium baseplates and aftermarket pivot cups and you're set forever, just switch out the hanger when its grinded down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 28, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Fuck man the axle one of my 44's slipped so badly I couldn't even keep my axle nut on with enough room for my wheel to spin.  I've only been skating these for like 3 months and my skating is completely low impact.  It was only on my back truck so I'm hoping it was just a defect but I'm really bummed.  I just emailed ace so we'll see what happens... I really liked these trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 28, 2014, 05:55:57 PM
Fuck man the axle one of my 44's slipped so badly I couldn't even keep my axle nut on with enough room for my wheel to spin.  I've only been skating these for like 3 months and my skating is completely low impact.  It was only on my back truck so I'm hoping it was just a defect but I'm really bummed.  I just emailed ace so we'll see what happens... I really liked these trucks.

it happened to a set i got this past february on the 33's. good truck but the axle slip sucked!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 28, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
Get a paper route and buy the tih's when the new ones come out...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 02:20:49 AM
lol I work, money's not an issue.  But what are you talking about, are they doing a titanium truck? I don't really like lighter trucks honestly and aces are already pretty light to begin with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 29, 2014, 10:49:55 AM
Hanger is all one piece....so no axel slip ever.....they turn somewhere between an ace and an Indy.....they grind a bit different....good on concrete, a bit weird on granite....and I cannot claim to say they are durable because I skate curbs and I'm 135 lbs....so I've done little to test this.....the titanium does definitely take a lot longer to grind down.....

In theory...they are the last set of trucks for me....


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
Does anyone have an email address where I can get in touch with someone at ace?  I emailed ace customer service and they told me to contact the original retailer since I didn't buy it directly from diamond supply. I emailed the retailer and they told me no returns after 45 days. I'm fairly certain I've heard people on here talk about getting their bent or broken aces replaced so what gives? No guarantee after 45 days? that's horse shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 29, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
Does anyone have an email address where I can get in touch with someone at ace?  I emailed ace customer service and they told me to contact the original retailer since I didn't buy it directly from diamond supply. I emailed the retailer and they told me no returns after 45 days. I'm fairly certain I've heard people on here talk about getting their bent or broken aces replaced so what gives? No guarantee after 45 days? that's horse shit

Try writing Joey directly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on May 29, 2014, 04:34:20 PM
indy would have replaced them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
ugh I know
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on June 04, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
I love these trucks so damn much. They flop side to side instead of a middle ground. Mine only go full left, full right, or a delicate balance in center, I like that. Both for grinding and simply riding. Sitting on a crooked grind with these trucks is a magical sensation.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on June 12, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
Question about these trucks. When you do nose/tail slides do the wheels contact with the ledge first, or the baseplate? When I had thunders the wheels always touched and it made longer noseslides a bitch at times, Indy's don't have this problem so I'm riding them right now but I really wanna try these out/.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on June 14, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
If your wheels keep catching on tail/noseslides it aint your trucks that are the problem
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cold Pizza on June 14, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
If your wheels keep catching on tail/noseslides it aint your trucks that are the problem

he's actually spot on.  match a thunder and independent (or almost any other truck company) at the baseplate holes and compare how much meat of the baseplate sticks out where you'd catch on a noseslide/tailslide.  your wheels rub a lot less on noseslide/tailslides if you got some baseplate to grind on first.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yungthug on June 17, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
I am running a pair of Aces that are really solid. I just had to replace the bushings with my old Indy ones and they work great. No complaints.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Niko Katavainen on June 22, 2014, 02:00:38 PM
I ride 8.5 to 8.75, been on indys for pretty long now and want to try Aces should I get 44s or 55s? Do the 55s stick out alot on a 8.5?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on June 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
I'm on an 8.5 w 44s and double inside washers right now. Feels pretty good, but I've been riding between 8.25 and 8.5s. If I were you might go with 55s since your a bracket up in terms of deck size range. But it's all personal preference at days end. I just wish I could get the pivot cups to shut up. Tried all the suggestions offered in this thread but still loud as fuck. Might just get some after markets
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Niko Katavainen on June 24, 2014, 12:54:24 PM
I'm on an 8.5 w 44s and double inside washers right now. Feels pretty good, but I've been riding between 8.25 and 8.5s. If I were you might go with 55s since your a bracket up in terms of deck size range. But it's all personal preference at days end. I just wish I could get the pivot cups to shut up. Tried all the suggestions offered in this thread but still loud as fuck. Might just get some after markets

Got the 55s, they dont stick out almost at all on an 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on July 04, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
Just bought the 33's for my 8.125! I'm coming from thunder 147 lows, and they are my first trucks ever that arent lows. I feel like i'm riding a skyscrapper, but i love the sharp turning they have (and no more godawful wheelbite)! I'm just hoping they dont fuck my flip tricks too much and i have yet to grind in them...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ACE TRUCKS on July 31, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
ACE WARRANTY info; [email protected]

You will be asked to send your trucks in along with a letter that has your return shipping address.

ACE c/o Warranty
1710 Cordova Street
Los Angeles, CA 90007

Easy as that.

*no walk-ins.

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT

-ACE-
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on July 31, 2014, 12:13:33 PM
Recently started skating a set of 44's and they are fantastic. No complaints here, they turn much better than indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on July 31, 2014, 12:17:40 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: violentpizza on July 31, 2014, 12:20:47 PM
I had to replace the pivot cups on my aces. But since that's not really a big deal if doesn't matter to me. I've had the same aces for two years and I haven't had axel slippage or anything like with indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 31, 2014, 12:47:07 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on July 31, 2014, 06:17:41 PM
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It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
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I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.

After some google research it says they come in hard and soft, which did you get, why, and how are they?

And while Aces do need quite a bit of after-market lovin, once you replace the bushings, the pivot cups only need to be replaced every 8-12 months and they're fucking awesome. I'll be skating Aces til the end of time if possible. The absolute worst shit I ever lost was my broken in Aces, I'll never get another crooked-grind groove like that again  :-\

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Holy shit just realized that I started this thread, 0 recollection of that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 31, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
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It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
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I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.
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After some google research it says they come in hard and soft, which did you get, why, and how are they?

And while Aces do need quite a bit of after-market lovin, once you replace the bushings, the pivot cups only need to be replaced every 8-12 months and they're fucking awesome. I'll be skating Aces til the end of time if possible. The absolute worst shit I ever lost was my broken in Aces, I'll never get another crooked-grind groove like that again  :-\

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Holy shit just realized that I started this thread, 0 recollection of that
I've always had the soft ones, they just feel at least a little bit more natural than the hard ones. Less break in time I guess, I'm sure I sacrifice some durability with the differences in rubber, but overall I'm ok with it. Pivot cups are cheap anyway
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on July 31, 2014, 07:38:54 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jive Turkey on August 01, 2014, 12:28:45 AM
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It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
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I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.

I haven't personally used the magnesium baseplates but my friend is using them now and they really make your trucks lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 10:21:11 AM
the mag plates are nice but very expensive, almost the cost of another pair of trucks!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on August 05, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
After skating some 44s for almost 6 months I'm pretty ready to go back to Indys. In my opinion, Aces are really fun to skate around, but when it comes down to doing tricks, it makes them a lot harder. It's because the turning is almost too good. Don't get me wrong, I love loose trucks, when I skate Indys my trucks are barely hanging on, but Aces seem to turn all the way to wheelbite just from the slightest movement. I set up Indys on another setup that I have, and they feel a lot better. I can see why people like Aces though, and I will definitely end up setting them up on a cruiser board in the future. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
After skating some 44s for almost 6 months I'm pretty ready to go back to Indys. In my opinion, Aces are really fun to skate around, but when it comes down to doing tricks, it makes them a lot harder. It's because the turning is almost too good. Don't get me wrong, I love loose trucks, when I skate Indys my trucks are barely hanging on, but Aces seem to turn all the way to wheelbite just from the slightest movement. I set up Indys on another setup that I have, and they feel a lot better. I can see why people like Aces though, and I will definitely end up setting them up on a cruiser board in the future. Just my two cents.

I love to hate them, so much that it's forced my to buy multiple sets of trucks! In pools/bowls they are untouchable. I'm not good trick-wise in bowls (I'm afraid of heights, seriously it totally fucks with me) so I just carve, grind and go for speed and no other truck allows me to carve like ACE; I also use them on my cruiser setups with soft bushings.

All that being said, I totally agree with you in regards to tricks on street, I ride loose and ACE+Loose are squirrly, takes getting used to. I just sold off my thunder 149IIs and my theeves, sticking just ACEs from now on.

I also get Khiro softs pivot cups for ANY truck as stock cups all suck most just don't know it. Khiro softs are amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on August 06, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
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It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
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I'm not gonna lie i've wanted to make the switch for a little bit now, but i think i like the heaviness of my board with indy's. It feels sturdy, while i feel like aces will just make me squirrely. I suppose im just not on that loose-ness level that some of you are at with your trucks, and i feel like i ride my indy's on the looser side without the bolt falling off.  Also, i just started getting this lovely crook indent recently, nothing better then that deep crook groove!

I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
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I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.

I haven't personally used the magnesium baseplates but my friend is using them now and they really make your trucks lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 09, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
Another benefit to ACE is they are light without the need for hollow anything! They've a very svelt design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 09, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on August 10, 2014, 02:29:42 AM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: howdoiinto on August 10, 2014, 07:10:41 AM
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 08:00:11 AM
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.

Yes. I don't skate transition and I love them. If you're still skeptical, just watch this:

adidas Skateboarding Raul Navarro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5nIdtu-_I#)

You can see that he's skating them in a lot of clips.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: howdoiinto on August 10, 2014, 09:29:23 AM
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So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.
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Yes. I don't skate transition and I love them. If you're still skeptical, just watch this:

adidas Skateboarding Raul Navarro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5nIdtu-_I#)

You can see that he's skating them in a lot of clips.

Damn, he rips! I'll definitely pick up some 44s for my next setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 10, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

NHS shipped all of their manufacturing to China, currently the hanger and baseplates on normal Indy are made in the USA, but axle, kingpins, nuts, bushings etc.. are all Chinese. I wouldn't be shocked if that all moves to China soon. Diamond (Ace owners) make all their clothing in the USA, so I guess it balances out both companies have some stuff made in the both countries, though Diamond makes their money mostly from clothes made in the USA.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 10, 2014, 10:16:14 AM
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Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
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well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.

Ace are lighter except for the hollow Indy's Please show me a photo of Indy's (not hollow) and Ace on a scale.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street (sorry wrong link before).

With the Stage 11, Indy finally caught up to ACE (and everyone else for that matter), lowered kingpin to prevent hangups, centered kinpin in the yoke (to prevent washer binding), weight reduction, blach blah. ACE was doing this 5+ years ago. Aces also have the precision/machined hangers so no need for an inside speed washer and extra meat on the hanger. Now that they don't bend anymore, no reason to avoid them unless you are a 'ride the best fuck the rest' zealot ;)

Go ride your heavy indy's if you like'em, problem solved, for those that give a shit, stock ACE 44s are about 30grams lighter than stock indy 149s, a better comparison would be the ACE 55s as they are wider.

Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

The reinforcement is UNDER the hanger, around the yoke/pivot on ACEs - indy's/theeve are beefy as fuck compared to ACE or Thunder on the back of the hanger. they all have the same diameter of material around the axles for the most part (Ace with a bit more in the middle). Perhaps if you have ridden a pair or compared them in person, on your own board, you'd know....I'm guessing you haven't..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on August 10, 2014, 10:28:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street.

Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved!

What are you talking about, the 6-7 times i was able to see his trucks they were literally Indy every time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street.

Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved!
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What are you talking about, the 6-7 times i was able to see his trucks they were literally Indy every time.

Easy there brosef, I linked to the wrong video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on August 10, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 10, 2014, 11:30:37 AM
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.

upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.

Do people who think their trucks are bent know that they put more metal in the middle of the truck which makes it look bent when the actual axle is straight? I've seen people complain about it and then when they found out and checked the actual axle they realized it wasnt bent...

And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.

I had to leave my board with aces in australia while traveling cause I didnt have room and now im riding indys... Once you try ace you get hooked on the turn and every other truck feels like riding a fucking door. Can't wait to get new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
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I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.
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upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.
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Do people who think their trucks are bent know that they put more metal in the middle of the truck which makes it look bent when the actual axle is straight? I've seen people complain about it and then when they found out and checked the actual axle they realized it wasnt bent...

No, I'm well aware that there is more metal in the middle of the hanger. I took off both wheels and the axle is clearly bent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on August 10, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.
Dude...
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/thumb_29998_AceTrucksWingsStickerTn.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 11, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
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(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/thumb_29998_AceTrucksWingsStickerTn.jpg)

Yeah you're right, they do kinda interfere.

Although Nick Tershay (owner of Diamond) and Joey Tershay (owner of Ace) are brothers, so you can't really blame Joey for having Ace distributed through your brother who runs a super successful clothing brand. It's not like it's Monster Energy either. Ace as a brand is cool, as long as they keep it that way, I'm down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 13, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Ace is owned by Diamond.
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Post by: oldgoodburger on August 13, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
diamond only became terrible when wiz kalifa and his swag fag followers decided it was "cool"... before that they just kinda sucked
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 13, 2014, 09:23:20 PM
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Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
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well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Indys are the heaviest most bulletproof trucks on the market, just look at them they burly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 18, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 18, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 18, 2014, 09:07:12 PM
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Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
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Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys

I've had defective Indys before so I'm not worried about it. Aces turn better and stay more stable for me so they're just what i need.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Harsh_euro_barge on September 23, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Picked up my first set of ace's today, 33's. A lot more stable than I expected, and the turn is insane. Currently set em up with bones mediums and no bottom washer. How have others set em up to get the best out of them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on September 23, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Picked up my first set of ace's today, 33's. A lot more stable than I expected, and the turn is insane. Currently set em up with bones mediums and no bottom washer. How have others set em up to get the best out of them?

Had 44s with mediums in them and just one washer and had to crank them way down or I got terrible wheel bite. Added another washer and now they are golden. Can run them looser with way less wheel bite and more control.  I think I'll stick with this for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on September 23, 2014, 04:10:08 PM
I put hards on my aces.  I'll see how they work out once I break them in...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 25, 2014, 12:22:26 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 25, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axel slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axel slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jorge on September 25, 2014, 12:39:06 PM
Do these trucks even exist for adults?  I have never in my life seen anyone over 16 riding them in person.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 25, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
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Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
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send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.

Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on September 25, 2014, 01:17:50 PM
does anyone have a problem with their kingpin being super wobbly? Did you ever eat shit because of it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
My local park, is filled with ACE riders of all ages.

I'm riding bones meds with the bottom and top washer with no issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 25, 2014, 08:04:05 PM
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Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
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send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
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Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)

Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 26, 2014, 12:55:22 AM
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Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
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send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
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Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)
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Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.

Are you sure the axle was actually bent though? You know they make them with more mass in the middle than the sides, right? They look bent but the axle inside is straight. I wonder how many customers they've lost because of that construction...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 26, 2014, 05:03:01 AM
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Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
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send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
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Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)
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Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.
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Are you sure the axle was actually bent though? You know they make them with more mass in the middle than the sides, right? They look bent but the axle inside is straight. I wonder how many customers they've lost because of that construction...

I'm well aware of them having more metal in the middle and the axles definitely are not straight. You can hold up one end of the axle vertically and see that the other end curves off the other direction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 26, 2014, 08:02:26 AM
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 26, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.

yeah, i feel you. The trucks skate super well, I'd be riding them right now if they didn't bend. But having bent 4 sets VERY quickly, and then received a replacement set that didn't have straight axles, I would never support them again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 26, 2014, 12:58:23 PM
I really wonder why other than cost Ace doesn't do anything to fix this.  I'd like to try them but there's no way after reading countless threads over the last 4 or 5 years that all have the same issues.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 27, 2014, 02:57:19 AM
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Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.
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yeah, i feel you. The trucks skate super well, I'd be riding them right now if they didn't bend. But having bent 4 sets VERY quickly, and then received a replacement set that didn't have straight axles, I would never support them again.

Thats understandable. I didn't know that was a common issue, they better fix that. I hope they dont remake the shape like theeves did and ruin them. I'd be down to spend 10$ extra if they made one with titanium axle, that should solve it. It doesn't really explain how you got a new set with the axle already bent though...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 27, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
Have been interested in trying Aces for the longest time. But after hearing about all the bent axle issues I think I'll pass until they get it fixed. I'm a dude who is on the chunkier side these days, so a bent axle with Aces are probably a guarantee to happen to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on September 27, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
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Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
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Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys
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I've had defective Indys before so I'm not worried about it. Aces turn better and stay more stable for me so they're just what i need.
You had 1 set of defective indys, and 4 sets of defective Aces...

If there's one thing you look for in trucks it's quality, I want bulletproof trucks I never have to worry about. Indy is that. Better turning you say, even if it's quicker it's not worth it.  Don't waste your time there is one truck it's Indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on September 28, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
I have skated Ace in 33, 44, 55 and 66 and never bent them. I mostly skate the 44 or 55's, I ground one set to the axle on both trucks, and about to hit axle on another pair. I have yet to bend them, the worst I have had happen is the pivot cup blew out (easy to replace) and the axle slipped after a year of skating.
I don't know how people keep bending them, it baffles me as I am not a skinny dude and I do a lot of slappies, so you would think I would have bent at least one pair in the 6 years I have been riding them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 28, 2014, 10:53:31 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on October 01, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.

My neighbors Indy axle slipped 5 mins after he set them up, the crazy thing was his board landed primo (not even with him on it) off a curb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ACE TRUCKS on October 02, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
Hello again, this is ACE TRUCKS.

As stated we always replace returned trucks, contact [email protected]

We will continue to improve our products.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 10:09:02 AM
Hello again, this is ACE TRUCKS.

As stated we always replace returned trucks, contact [email protected]

We will continue to improve our products.

It's awesome that you guys stand by your product and make it right with the customer when there are issues but I really hope to see an overhaul of the trucks at some point.  I think ACE are the best looking trucks on the market and people love them.  It seems with a few minor tweaks they could be improved even further
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on October 02, 2014, 11:18:04 AM
sorry for the noob question, but how exactly do you know when your axle slips? can you move it freely back and forth? mine doesnt move freely, but i just noticed that my heel side wheels have no wobble room between the truck and the axle nut, but my toe side have a ton of room. the nuts on both side are tightened exactly the same amount. i do a lot of backside slappies (regular footed), so it would make sense that the axles would get pulled toward the toe side from locking into grinds. i just noticed it and it hasnt bothered me yet. next time i skate ill just loosen and tighten the axle nuts so everything is even again. i just found it weird that one side had a bunch more wobble room than the other.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
sorry for the noob question, but how exactly do you know when your axle slips? can you move it freely back and forth? mine doesnt move freely, but i just noticed that my heel side wheels have no wobble room between the truck and the axle nut, but my toe side have a ton of room. the nuts on both side are tightened exactly the same amount. i do a lot of backside slappies (regular footed), so it would make sense that the axles would get pulled toward the toe side from locking into grinds. i just noticed it and it hasnt bothered me yet. next time i skate ill just loosen and tighten the axle nuts so everything is even again. i just found it weird that one side had a bunch more wobble room than the other.

Exactly that.  Tighten them both down equally.  Go skate and if one wheel ends up being tight and not spinning and the wheel on the other side has a ton of play, you have axle slip
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: violentpizza on October 02, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 02:32:37 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.

I'm sure this is common knowledge around here but I suggest replacing it with a Khiro pivot cup.  http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600)

They're a lot higher quality than any stock pivot cup except for Theeves which are also Khiro
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on October 02, 2014, 04:12:04 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.

seriously...what after market pivot cup should I get for these fuckers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on October 02, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.
If it's your axle that slipped, only replace the hangar. Baseplates, bushings, even nuts, use the old ones. I'm still riding the same baseplate from 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 04, 2014, 03:29:42 AM
They answered my mail, and they are willing to replace my trucks but they want me to send a package with them to the states... I live in Portugal so the cost of the shipping is not worth it, and it will take lots of time to arrive (i don't have other trucks to skate in that time)! I was expecting something like a representant in Europe to trade them or something... I told the my skateshop about the defect and they told me the spanish distributor will exchange my trucks for new ones... now i just have to wait! :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ALZ on October 09, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on October 09, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?

Yes. Had a friend who had 44s on an 8.1, looked 100% normal. 44's are arguably smaller than an 8.5 truck, their hangar width is smaller than indy 149s. I prefer trucks to be a tad wider than the board. And, the difference will hardly be noticable, you might see half a nut or two on the side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
I've ridden ACE 44s on:

8.18
8.25
8.38
8.5

By far, (for me) 8.25/8.38 are perfect fits for ACE 44s. They felt and looked small to me on an 8.5 (and ACE 55s feel too big).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Harsh_euro_barge on October 09, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?

I ran 33's with a washer on the inside on a 8.125. Personally I think 44's would be too big, but I can't stand seeing any nut sticking out the side of my board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 09, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
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I ran 33's with a washer on the inside on a 8.125. Personally I think 44's would be too big, but I can't stand seeing any nut sticking out the side of my board.

This... but i put 2 washers!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nanda Zinger on October 09, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
My ace trucks were pretty much awful. Can't believe how many people are praising the stability on this thread. i ride super loose trucks, but my ace were the opposite of stable. i can get the same turn radius with indys yet still set up for flip tricks without flip flopping to wheel bite right away. Also the axles slipped, bent and hanger cracked. And put em on a scale and compare to indys, youd be surprised that the slim silhouette of ace trucks actually weighs more than the equivalent size of indys.  I did contact joey tershay and he was super cool about replacing them which is sick, but i got too lazy to ship em out and bought some new indys down the street. Also, for the people saying they can't get indys loose enough without the nut falling off, sanding down the bushings is an easy solution.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 09, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
Personally I never liked the way they grind. Seemed a bit 'chalky' to me, as if the metal is softer compared to Indys/ Thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on October 09, 2014, 03:28:11 PM
My ace trucks were pretty much awful. Can't believe how many people are praising the stability on this thread. i ride super loose trucks, but my ace were the opposite of stable. i can get the same turn radius with indys yet still set up for flip tricks without flip flopping to wheel bite right away. Also the axles slipped, bent and hanger cracked. And put em on a scale and compare to indys, youd be surprised that the slim silhouette of ace trucks actually weighs more than the equivalent size of indys.  I did contact joey tershay and he was super cool about replacing them which is sick, but i got too lazy to ship em out and bought some new indys down the street. Also, for the people saying they can't get indys loose enough without the nut falling off, sanding down the bushings is an easy solution.
Or take off the washer(s). That helped me for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 10, 2014, 06:25:12 PM
I recently sent in defective sets #4 and #5, and they sent me back two new sets and a hat as compensation for all the trouble. Both sets of trucks did not have straight axles, just as set #5 that I sent back. So they just went in the trash. Fuck Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pekkaaa on October 10, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TehPwnzorer on October 10, 2014, 07:32:31 PM
I've got Ace 00 on my cruiser. By far the best turning I've had on such a small cruiser. I haven't tried out Independent 109 tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 13, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
If you want Chinese made trucks that turn like an Indy stage III and are super light- consider Krux...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 13, 2014, 04:43:56 PM
If you want Chinese made trucks that turn like an Indy stage III and are super light- consider Krux...

They're the next ones i wanna try, they have such a rad team and good looking trucks... Never seen somebody skating them here in Portugal though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on October 16, 2014, 12:58:43 AM
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.
Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks.  Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pekkaaa on October 16, 2014, 03:17:53 AM
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Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks.  Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.


I skate my trucks really loose, I thought that was why they cracked. However, I bought some indy cups and they seem to hold up fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yungthug on October 20, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
The baseplates are fucked up on mine.
(http://i.imgur.com/YpJogHP.jpg)
^ This one keeps going crooked no matter how many times I tighten it.
(http://i.imgur.com/FpJ7adx.jpg)
^ The back right hole is effectively useless now.
I've never had these problems with Indys. Looks like I know what I'm gonna be riding next...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 20, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 20, 2014, 12:11:50 PM
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever

unless the axles bend. seriously, you shouldn't have to do THAT much aftermarket care to make some trucks skateable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on October 20, 2014, 02:12:09 PM
These may as well be Trackers with plastic base plates to me now. Thanks. Staying away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 21, 2014, 08:10:54 AM
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unless the axles bend. seriously, you shouldn't have to do THAT much aftermarket care to make some trucks skateable.

Fair enough... They feel so good though. I've had a couple of pairs of aces with no problems at all, meanwhile I just got some new indys and got axle slippage after 3 days. Im still backing aces, but I understand that people are bummed if the axles are bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on September 09, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating

The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on September 09, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
huh.  i always thought the axel was 8.25

thanks.  that looks good to me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Clang on September 09, 2015, 04:11:29 PM
I like my aces, turn perfect, grind almost the same as indy's, only problem is the pivot cups. I have used three pivot cups on one baseplate within the two months I have skated them. I have discovered that the hole for the pivot cup is not a true circle, which is probably why I burn through them so often.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on September 09, 2015, 05:31:15 PM
only problem is the pivot cups

Same thing here, I had to switch out the pivot cups three times until they stopped shimmying out of the slot. Other than that I've never had any trouble
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 11, 2015, 08:02:30 AM
Anyone who bitches about ACEs being floppy should stop using conical and/or soft bushings. If you use the stock bushings or bones hard (bottoms) you won't have that issue and you will still be able to turn better than anything out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 01, 2015, 04:26:46 PM
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anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating
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The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5

Anyone know how the 33's measure precisely from tip to tip?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 01, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
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anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating
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The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5
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Anyone know how the 33's measure precisely from tip to tip?

8 inches
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on November 01, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 02, 2015, 03:24:27 AM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 02, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
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The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
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The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 02, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
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The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
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The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
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then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 02, 2015, 09:28:17 PM
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The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
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The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
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then why do they all bend?
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They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.

Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 03, 2015, 01:55:57 AM
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The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
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The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
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then why do they all bend?
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They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.
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Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.

How much you weigh homie damn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 03, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
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The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
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The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
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then why do they all bend?
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They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.
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Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.
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How much you weigh homie damn

155 pounds. Never bent any Indys or Thunders!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on November 11, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Microforrest on November 11, 2015, 05:40:31 PM
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
These look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 11, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
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FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
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These look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.

Perfect excuse to try another set. They would be great if they didn't bend. Hopefully this fixes the problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 11, 2015, 07:57:49 PM
Interesting. Might be time to try a set...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on November 12, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
Personally I never liked the way they grind. Seemed a bit 'chalky' to me, as if the metal is softer compared to Indys/ Thunder.
this. they feel like soft aluminum. and my axles bent, as well. probably not worth it to replace them...unless i could get a replacement pair and then swap them for indys at the shop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on November 17, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on November 17, 2015, 05:27:18 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?

I've always had that problem, no matter what brand. I love my current set of ACE (44) but I think I will also go back to indy or simply because the turning feels a bit too sharp, wich is perfectly fine when riding a bowl, but it can be kinda tricky to not loose my balance when I'm doing manual tricks, and I do alot more of those than tranny.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 17, 2015, 06:52:17 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?
Every set of Indys I've had had squeaked so bad. It's to the point where I automatically replace pivot cups with hard, or plastic, pivot cups from the get. I can't stand the squeaking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on November 18, 2015, 10:38:01 AM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 18, 2015, 10:42:16 AM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?

I've been running hard Khiro's lately. If you go this route and order them, there are small and large sizes, you need smalls. I guess large are for longboard trucks, made that mistake.

Also the red shorty's pivot cups were pretty hard and did not squeak.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 18, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?

Just put some soap in there and you'll be good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 19, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Beefed up 44s for those that care,

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on November 20, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Beefed up 44s

Ace coming through with the goods. These are gonna be my first post-winter pickup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Seems they widened the V where the pivot portion meets the hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on November 22, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
Interesting. Anybody has a picture showing the comparison between the new and old trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zdizzle on November 22, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
Beefed up 44s for those that care,

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Damn I wonder how much heavier they are than the old ones. They look kinda like destructos now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 23, 2015, 04:00:35 AM
Interesting. Anybody has a picture showing the comparison between the new and old trucks?

You can see the differences pretty easily just doing this:

Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)

As Xen said, look how much wider the "V" supporting the hanger is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2015, 08:41:01 AM
Looks like they got rid of the tapered hanger around the axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on November 23, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
Good updates, totally different product now. If Indy did this it might start a riot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 06, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
I ordered some 44's from socal skate shop on cyber Monday. Just looking at them and holding them in my hands makes me want to skate. No truck has ever done this to me. I skated a couple sets earlier this year and I was hooked. Never had problems with axle slip, bending, or pivot cups. I weight about 200lbs, always rode stock bushings and loose. The hanger just wore down a little faster than any other truck from what I can recall. The new redesign looks amazing and adds some heft it seems but I don't mind. As always...support your local skate shop but if they don't have them, socal and skate warehouse have all the new redesigns.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on December 07, 2015, 08:23:17 AM
did they redesign the 33's? i have a pair with bent axles but haven't sent them in yet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 07, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
I think the redesign only applies to size 44 and up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
I think the redesign only applies to size 44 and up.

Correct. 44/55/66
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 09, 2015, 12:54:21 PM
Anyone have a clue if the new shape is/will be available in UK?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 09, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
Anyone have a clue if the new shape is/will be available in UK?

No clue, I would email the man himself: [email protected]
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on December 10, 2015, 07:08:39 PM
Need to get some of the beefed up 55's!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on December 13, 2015, 02:10:22 AM
anywhere online i can get those re-modeled ace's? i checked out Socal's site but they still have the product pic of the old ones with the tapered  hanger part that goes into the pivot cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 13, 2015, 05:56:20 AM
anywhere online i can get those re-modeled ace's? i checked out Socal's site but they still have the product pic of the old ones with the tapered  hanger part that goes into the pivot cup.

Most online websites don't update their pictures very often. Socal and Skatewarehouse have all the new redesigns for 44 55 and 66. I've emailed and called to confirm it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 13, 2016, 08:55:56 AM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2016, 03:46:39 PM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....

It's really difficult to explain, isn't it?

What bushing did you run again? Krux/somethingsemthign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
I can still get down on my Thunder 149s But I definitely know what you're saying. The ace turn makes me wet AF.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 13, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
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I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
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It's really difficult to explain, isn't it?

What bushing did you run again? Krux/somethingsemthign?

stock bottom. krux top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MonistatOne on May 13, 2016, 05:23:56 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 06:08:23 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
The stock bushings take a bit to break in. Putting krux bushings in them make them suuper buttery though. I haven't had problems with the pivot cups yet but pretty much everyone says they blow out pretty quick so it might be good to have a spare set ready to roll.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 13, 2016, 11:11:09 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.

If they turn better than Indy....then what other truck turns better? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 11:48:24 PM
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just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
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If they turn better than Indy....then what other truck turns better? 
Tensor? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on May 19, 2016, 07:24:19 AM
So I was fortunate enough to get a set of the new 55s and magnesium baseplates to try out.
I need to skate them a bit and I'll let you guys know. They look sick though, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 19, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
So I was fortunate enough to get a set of the new 55s and magnesium baseplates to try out.
I need to skate them a bit and I'll let you guys know. They look sick though, thats for sure.

Where'd you find the mag plates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 23, 2016, 06:50:12 AM
I've been riding Indys for 10 years, but I just ordered some Ace 44.
Can't wait to try them !
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
I've been riding Indys for 10 years, but I just ordered some Ace 44.
Can't wait to try them !

As others have stated, it will be hard to go back to any other truck after Ace, especially after they improved their quality. The turn is just unbeatable. Let us know what you think after you ride 'em!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 23, 2016, 12:07:58 PM
I've been riding ACE for a year now. I'll need new trucks soon, so I am now stuck between choosing a new set of indys or stick with ACE. IMO ACE wins over indys in every aspect, except one. At faster speeds ACES can wobble so unexpectedly, it gets frustrating. One second I am doing a manual, the next one I'm flying off my board. That same problem also happened while pushing as fast as I can on flat ground, that issue never occured with indys (or even thunders).

So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 23, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???

So, Aces are like a girlfriend you love but that's cheating on you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 23, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
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So, Aces are like a girlfriend you love but that's cheating on you.

Worst, my cheating ass girlfriend wouldn't dare to throw me off my board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 07:05:43 PM
As long as Ace's are kept at a normal level of looseness I found them to be just as stable as Indy. However, if you do something crazy like cut the top bushing in half or use some super soft ones to the point that they rattle, then yeah...they're super sketchy but I feel like that would happen with any truck if you did that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
I find Aces are a good stable carve.....Even a tiny bit broader than an Indy....then they hook......
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:27:34 AM
I find Aces are a good stable carve.....Even a tiny bit broader than an Indy....then they hook......


agreed. i find them more stable than indys when i want them to be but you get a much deeper responsive turn when you want it. thunder have a similar deal but the turn is quicker and MUCH shallower.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on May 25, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
I've been riding ACE for a year now. I'll need new trucks soon, so I am now stuck between choosing a new set of indys or stick with ACE. IMO ACE wins over indys in every aspect, except one. At faster speeds ACES can wobble so unexpectedly, it gets frustrating. One second I am doing a manual, the next one I'm flying off my board. That same problem also happened while pushing as fast as I can on flat ground, that issue never occured with indys (or even thunders).

So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???

I'm in the same situation.  For me it's more a size issue.  I ride an 835-838 with 44s but want to bump up to like an 8.5.  Seems like 149s are perfect for 8.5.  Then again this is being anal

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on May 26, 2016, 01:57:40 AM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13259674_526176050924377_1584983569_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1ODU0MzA3MDcwNzA3MTY3NA%3D%3D.2)

for the dudes that was modding their Ace's & Indy's with the inverted kingpin. your wish has come true!

from AceJoeyT himself...

anyone know where to get the stage 2's with the upgraded axle nuts?

EDIT: finally blew my Khiro softs but only on the front truck. Can't he just take the design of the pivot cup hole from Indy's? i swear i've blew the pivot cups so many times it's starting to irritate me to skate in Ace's. I love the turn but i'm gonna need a little bit more durability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 26, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
^ beat me to it. Saw the post when I woke up and got a boner. Can't wait to get these...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 08:06:46 AM
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 26, 2016, 08:09:31 AM
looks like the king pin nut is the same size as the axle nut? rad idea.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 26, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
I've never messed with anything hollow on trucks and I kinda thought he wouldn't bother with any of that. I'll still get them but I hope I don't snap a kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 26, 2016, 08:51:43 AM
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....

Yeha unfortunately it's not as clean or low profile as the Krux design.  Odd choice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on May 26, 2016, 08:57:28 AM
take my money
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 26, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
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glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....
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Yeha unfortunately it's not as clean or low profile as the Krux design.  Odd choice

Yeah...

So it's a flange nut design (smart, I always wondered why this wasn't the norm) yet there is still a need for the standard bushing washer/cap on it?  Why? Is the Kingpin super long? Hollow?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on May 26, 2016, 04:15:16 PM
I was wondering what the 38 special was all about.  Then I heard it from someone that the axle nut is 3/8 which is the same as your mounting nut and can use the same tool (although most skate tools comes with both).  Looking at that kingpin nut I'm assuming it's 3/8 as well.  My guess for why you still need the cap is that since it's only 3/8 nut without a washer it could blow right through your bushing.  I could be wrong but I don't think the kingpin is hollow.  It just has the allen wrench feature in it.  I'm assuming the allen wrench would be the same as the one you use if you had allen bolts for your mounting hardware?  In which case you'd only need 2 tools for your entire set up?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Reminds me of roller skates......which reminds me....what is the wrench part of an elephant tool for?  I forget....it's got to do with old trucks or roller skates....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 02, 2016, 01:05:30 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on June 02, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on June 02, 2016, 08:08:12 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.

Everyone thinks Ace are lighter than Indy because they look like they should be but they're actually the same weight

Ace 44's - 392g
Indy 149 - 394g (technically a bigger size as well)

By comparison Indy 149 Ti are 340g
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 02, 2016, 09:13:57 AM
true. they feel lighter perhaps due to their sprightly turn and liveliness...

they also grind down faster than indy, so will get lighter sooner... ha ha...

now, if they'd only start producing some aftermarket bushing options.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 02, 2016, 09:50:48 AM
I think another reason they feel lighter is perhaps because the axles are not as far back as Indys.  It makes my wheelbase seem shorter and gives a better response on ollies IMO.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on June 02, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
true. they feel lighter perhaps due to their sprightly turn and liveliness...

they also grind down faster than indy, so will get lighter sooner... ha ha...

now, if they'd only start producing some aftermarket bushing options.

Well, they do sell aftermarket's but I'm pretty sure it's the same durometer as the stock ones (too hard ha). Other durometer choices and some better fuckin' pivot cups would be great...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2016, 08:51:10 AM
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Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
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I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?

Krux over the stock. No question.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on June 03, 2016, 01:02:54 PM
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Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
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I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Krux for sure. The top bushing is also a little shorter so you can get the nut on more with out it tightening down on the bushing as much. You can also try stock bottom bushing krux top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on June 12, 2016, 09:11:42 AM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 15, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)


Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on June 15, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on June 16, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.

tried to find some speed rings at my local hardware store but they only have ones that detach rather than a full ring. it's almost like those things that's used on keychains. i know it's a thing on Ace's where you add speed rings to get more hanger space and better placement of the wheel. but yeah! anywhere else can you get them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Doughboy on June 16, 2016, 07:36:06 AM
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Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.
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tried to find some speed rings at my local hardware store but they only have ones that detach rather than a full ring. it's almost like those things that's used on keychains. i know it's a thing on Ace's where you add speed rings to get more hanger space and better placement of the wheel. but yeah! anywhere else can you get them?
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html)

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=717 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=717)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on June 17, 2016, 03:49:46 AM
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Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)

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Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?

Just run the 44's with the spacer on the inside and stop staring at your board with a ruler, it's fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 17, 2016, 09:11:46 AM
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Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)

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Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?

Just run 55s

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 17, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Nope can't swing either one.  I run the spacers on my 8.38 regular deck and that's the max for me.  I'm not going to run 55's either.  I tried my friends board and its way too big.  I'm stuck at the moment riding 149 Indys with the spacers.  I'm quirky like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 17, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
Taking the plunge on the redesigns. We'll see how this goes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 20, 2016, 06:32:29 AM
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on June 20, 2016, 06:43:48 AM
Noticed the kingpins on the beefed-up version is shorter than the previous version. Swapped the top bushings for some bones medium i had lying around. Now they are loose enough for my liking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 20, 2016, 08:41:09 AM
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.

Problem there is the Krux pivot cups are sooooo much taller than any other pivot cup on the RKP market...so bizzare.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 20, 2016, 09:48:01 AM
i haven't even compared them as my ace pivot cups are just fine. i'm curious though... does it matter if they stick out a little?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 21, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
First day on the 44 redesigns and they are feeling good.I've got a little easier leverage over ollies than with the Thunders I was using. I'm happy so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
i haven't even compared them as my ace pivot cups are just fine. i'm curious though... does it matter if they stick out a little?

Krux are way longer than standard, doubt it would mess with anything using them in other trucks. I wouldn't, however, us regular pivots cuts in krux, you'd have metal on metal action \m/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on July 25, 2016, 09:37:12 PM
i'm getting closer and closer to needing new trucks. 

been wanting to try titanium indy, because i like the idea of slightly lighter truck.  is it really true that ace 44's are the exact width as 149?  thought 149 were wider

as much as i want to try indy again, i am leaning towards sticking with Ace.  some people don't like the way they look but personally i like the minimal design (of the older design).  indys feel more bulky to me, which i guess is good for durability but also feels clunky or something

also, when rode indy's i had like 3 pairs in a row that had the axel slip.  no problems with my Ace

what say ye?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 25, 2016, 09:46:23 PM
how does ace not have an actual website anymore, just a facebook?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 25, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
i'm getting closer and closer to needing new trucks.�

been wanting to try titanium indy, because i like the idea of slightly lighter truck.� is it really true that ace 44's are the exact width as 149?� thought 149 were wider

as much as i want to try indy again, i am leaning towards sticking with Ace.� some people don't like the way they look but personally i like the minimal design (of the older design).� indys feel more bulky to me, which i guess is good for durability but also feels clunky or something

also, when rode indy's i had like 3 pairs in a row that had the axel slip.� no problems with my Ace

what say ye?

ACE44s come in around 8.38, smaller than 149s.

The Stage I Ace hangers (and V1 Theeve & current Thunder, tho the new 149 has a more indy yoke look to them) look great, svelte design; Indy's look bulky compared to everything out there. The Indy TIs are much lighter than stock ACEs if that matters to you.

I'm actually tempted to jump back on the theeve wagon....resisting the urge tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 25, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Anyone know if those 38special nuts will be sold on their own, I want a better look at them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 25, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
Anyone know if those 38special nuts will be sold on their own, I want a better look at them
Maybe try a hardware store?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 26, 2016, 02:38:09 AM
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on July 26, 2016, 06:34:01 AM
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.

The "3/8 specials" were announced about a week ago that they're now fully available. Some shops were posting photos way before that announcement of new Ace trucks back in stock, and they'd have the 3/8 nuts on the axle. I contacted a couple shops and they said they came stock that way. However, Joey says the nuts will be sold separately.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 26, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
That would be pretty sick haha
But I meant trying to see if a hardware store had a similar nut
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 26, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
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Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
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That would be pretty sick haha
But I meant trying to see if a hardware store had a similar nut
closest ive seen is a flange nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.


Actually, they did: http://acetruckmfg.com/ (http://acetruckmfg.com/) (it now points to the FB page, which is cheaper and has more reach).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on July 26, 2016, 02:00:20 PM
might be a dumb question and its probably been answered a bunch, but should i go 44 or 55 for a 8.7 t.u deck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on July 26, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
might be a dumb question and its probably been answered a bunch, but should i go 44 or 55 for a 8.7 t.u deck?

44's are 8.38"
55's are 8.875"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 26, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
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Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.

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Actually, they did: http://acetruckmfg.com/ (http://acetruckmfg.com/) (it now points to the FB page, which is cheaper and has more reach).

I clicked on the pixelated pictures and it sent me to the So Cal site
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
I was at my local shop the other day and found a pair of 33's that have the "3/8 special" nuts on them stock. They don't have the nylon collar insert like normal axle and baseplate nuts. The "nyloc" type nuts help resist turning and secure the nut better, so I'm not sure if it could be a bad thing that the 38's don't have them. But it's the same size as the baseplate nuts so you would use that part of your tool to loosen or tighten the 38's.

Skate Warehouse has 'em in stock if anyone was interested in ordering them. Size 44 only...

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
I was at my local shop the other day and found a pair of 33's that have the "3/8 special" nuts on them stock. They don't have the nylon collar insert like normal axle and baseplate nuts. The "nyloc" type nuts help resist turning and secure the nut better, so I'm not sure if it could be a bad thing that the 38's don't have them. But it's the same size as the baseplate nuts so you would use that part of your tool to loosen or tighten the 38's.

Skate Warehouse has 'em in stock if anyone was interested in ordering them. Size 44 only...

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)

That sounds like a terrible idea...I mean, nyloc nuts have been standard forever, there is a reason. I cant imagine this to be a good thing at all (one can assume they did test it tho right?? :))
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 04:12:39 PM
It isn't an invention of Joey's actually, he just licensed it. A man named Gus Duarte (RIP) made them to go on kingpins and axles so skateboarders would only need one size tool. He tried to get truck companies to change their hardware to it, but it never took off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 06:42:36 PM
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.

If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on August 03, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
saw this tonight
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13686884_607584109420898_1087921334_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMwNzY2NTczNjQwNzMzNjYwMw%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 07:52:00 AM
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 03, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 11:04:29 AM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.

Well I'm out. I change wheels and gear more than most; these would be obsolete right away; also, there is always some tightening that goes on once you set up a new ride ones the bearings/wheels/rucks settle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
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Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.
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Well I'm out. I change wheels and gear more than most; these would be obsolete right away; also, there is always some tightening that goes on once you set up a new ride ones the bearings/wheels/rucks settle.

I hear ya. I'm going to experiment and see what happens. I have extra regular axle nuts on backup. Either way, my choices at this point are to try some Theeve's or keep skating Ace. I'm leaning more toward Ace, because Theeve just seems like a gimmick truck company, to be honest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 03, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
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Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 04:33:00 PM
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Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
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I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 03, 2016, 04:47:31 PM
Having nuts on your board without nyloc sounds ridiculous.  you're just asking to lose a wheel bombing a hill or somehing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 03, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
Thinking about trying some 44's. The general consensus seems to be that Krux aftermarket bushings are the best, yay?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 03, 2016, 06:20:05 PM
It sounds the general consensus on the .38 specials is they're somewhat oval shaped, have no nylon meaning once they're on they gotta stay on, which they don't seem to be doing anyhow and running more than one inner speed ring is gonna fuck with them. looks like i'm out, damn i was really looking into these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
Thinking about trying some 44's. The general consensus seems to be that Krux aftermarket bushings are the best, yay?

So I've read. The bottom Krux bushing seems to be the only aftermarkets that are the same size as Ace's, which is good. This is the only place that has them in stock right now:

http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html (http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Inman on August 04, 2016, 11:36:37 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 04, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
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facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
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Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.
You just quoted, and answered a post from 5 and a half years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 04, 2016, 01:48:40 PM
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I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.
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If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...
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I'm using two thick Ace speed rings on the inside and one thinner Independent washer on the outside. There is some play with the wheels, just like there would be with Indys with two on the inside and one on the outside.

I have to keep tightening at least one nut after every session. I wouldn't recommend these 3/8 nuts. The only reason I'm using them is because they came with the trucks (I thought they were regular 44s since they were the same price as regular 44s). I'll probably ditch the nuts soon or when I need new wheels.

You should email Ace and let Joey know he done fucked up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2016, 04:28:09 PM
How many speed rings come on new aces these days? used to be just one as you were supposed to put it on the outside as the inner hanger was tapered.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 04, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
How many speed rings come on new aces these days? used to be just one as you were supposed to put it on the outside as the inner hanger was tapered.



four speed rings per truck, two per wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 04, 2016, 10:42:41 PM
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Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
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I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
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SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's

Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 04, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
SoCal Skate Shop offers USPS Priority as a shipping option and it's $10 or less. I actually prefer USPS Priority over UPS because it's always been delivered to me in only two business days. They deliver on Saturday if they need to and it comes earlier in the day than UPS so you're not sitting around waiting for your stuff to arrive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 04, 2016, 11:39:32 PM
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
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http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
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SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
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Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on August 06, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.

Somehow I doubt it will happen, ACE is still too small, probably will always be this way; the intital bad taste of hanger bends blew it for them (much like theeves bushing seat). New brands rarely recover from missteps and with zero marketing dollars...we're al stuck with heavy cast plates :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on August 06, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
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Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.
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Somehow I doubt it will happen, ACE is still too small, probably will always be this way; the intital bad taste of hanger bends blew it for them (much like theeves bushing seat). New brands rarely recover from missteps and with zero marketing dollars...we're al stuck with heavy cast plates :P

Well I'm glad I'm not gnarly then.  Maybe mine will hold up for a while.  

Still I see them pretty often here in nyc.  There can't be a better turn for snaking through the crowds and traffic, heavy ass plates or not.

Ace people, a limited run of mag plates please.  You have a following!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 06, 2016, 04:15:29 PM
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
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http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
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SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
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Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
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Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)


Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 08, 2016, 04:30:06 AM
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They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
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http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
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SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
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Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
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Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)


I e-mailed them a couple of months ago to check if it was the re-designed 44's - 55's - 66's and it's still the old design...don't know about it now but would love to get it from them than soCal since they're tax free and free shipping. nothing bad to say about them rather than i always come up good on their thursday sales.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 08, 2016, 08:01:35 AM
I e-mailed them a couple of months ago to check if it was the re-designed 44's - 55's - 66's and it's still the old design...don't know about it now but would love to get it from them than soCal since they're tax free and free shipping. nothing bad to say about them rather than i always come up good on their thursday sales.

Damn, I just got some 66's from them. Been great so far though. I mostly just skate transitions and low impact curbs/ledges so hopefully i'll be fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 08, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
I got some 55s from Tactics. They were the new design. They don't always know what the fuck they're talking about. Great shop as far as online goes through.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 08, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
I got some 55s from Tactics. They were the new design. They don't always know what the fuck they're talking about. Great shop as far as online goes through.

How do you tell the difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 08, 2016, 09:33:44 AM
Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
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Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 08, 2016, 02:36:03 PM
Socalskateshop and Tactics both have the redesign from what I understand.  I emailed them both last week to make sure and ended up ordering some 44's because their running 15% off orders over $25.  I've really been enjoying my Thunder 149 ii's after riding Indy's forever and figure if I don't gel with the Aces, I can just setup a cruiser with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 08, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
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Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
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Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.
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Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 08, 2016, 03:54:48 PM
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Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.

Coo, i'll chill for the interim.

About to give them a go as soon as my foot is healed up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 10, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
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Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Ahh, so I got the new design, thanks.

Sidenote: These might be the best trucks I've ever had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 10, 2016, 11:43:28 AM
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Ahh, so I got the new design, thanks.

Sidenote: These might be the best trucks I've ever had.
Yeah man. There is something about them. They just feel...right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 10, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...

Yep. Happened to me with two sets in a row. I'm trying ACE one last time. This time keeping stock bushings or using Krux which will maintain stock geometry. Before, I had Bones in them which are too short and put added stress on the kingpin and pivot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 10, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 10, 2016, 08:55:05 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen

is that why the kingpin nut keeps moving? i swear i have it on at a certain amount of turn so it's just the right looseness for me but for reason it's not locked until it goes past a couple of threads till the tip of the kingpin starts showing and that's a pet peeve of mine and then it comes tight as shit to turn. i don't like to grind down my kingpin either, rather it be the nut cause that's easily replaceable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 10, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen

Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
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Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...
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Yep. Happened to me with two sets in a row. I'm trying ACE one last time. This time keeping stock bushings or using Krux which will maintain stock geometry. Before, I had Bones in them which are too short and put added stress on the kingpin and pivot.

I was also riding bones, with both washers.
I just ordered a new pair, this time I will ride them all stock as you suggested...

Is this issue supported by Ace warranty ?


Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?

The only thing I know is that the feeling is really weird, but of course it is skatable...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 11, 2016, 07:04:19 AM
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Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?

Ace baseplates are cast.  Loose kingpins are still skateable but the board is less stable and the looser you skate your trucks the less stable it will be
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 11, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
well that's a given.

ace base plates look  very similar to forged BPs.

ah well, yet to happen to me and i ride just tight of wobble loose. i thought one was wobbling once but took the hanger off to check and it was fine. it did happen on an indy once so i just re-inserted the kingpin and it stayed tight thereafter. no damage to the hole. double-entendres are flying right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 11, 2016, 08:51:59 AM
I was also riding bones, with both washers.
I just ordered a new pair, this time I will ride them all stock as you suggested...

Is this issue supported by Ace warranty?

I'm not sure, you could email him and see.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 12, 2016, 12:31:52 AM
I tried to re-insert the kingpin a couple of times yesterday, but at the end it always wiggles.
So I emailed Ace and this is their answer :

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   At Ace we take our trucks and our warranty very seriously. If you have any
issues with your Ace trucks, please send them to us along with a letter
explaining your concerns and containing your return shipping address for
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ACE c / o Warranty
1710 Cordova Street
Los Angeles, CA 90007 USA
 
Best Regards,
 
 -ACE-

I ordered a new pair of Ace 44 on SoCal, as soon as I'll get them, I will send the defective truck to Ace and see what happen...
I'm not going to hate on the quality, I switched from Indys to Aces because I had three sets of trucks with axle slipping in a row on my 149's...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on August 12, 2016, 05:14:17 AM
My indy axles are slipping again. This is probably why I've never managed to grind a set down to the axle. They always slipped before and I guess they still haven't figured out how to keep it from happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 12, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
Just got my 44's from SoCal and they're the goddamn 38 specials. Oh wel, I've got some old nuts I can throw on. Looking forward to trying them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 12, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
After suffering through these stock Ace bushings for a week, I finally got some Krux in the mail today. Once the rain dried up I cruised around and got to experience these magnificent motherfuckers. Fuck Bones bushings, Krux in Ace's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. The top Krux bushing is shorter than an Ace stock which doesn't really matter, but just letting everyone know.

I really don't understand why Joey decided to put such restrictive stock bushings in the redesigns. They make Ace's very hard to turn and it prevents them from performing how they are supposed to be right out of the gate. Now with the Krux bushings, they have that good ol' amazing responsiveness and just an unbeatable turn, while being able to maintain stock geometry. Just hope my kingpins don't come loose again...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2016, 06:13:07 PM
After suffering through these stock Ace bushings for a week, I finally got some Krux in the mail today. Once the rain dried up I cruised around and got to experience these magnificent motherfuckers. Fuck Bones bushings, Krux in Ace's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. The top Krux bushing is shorter than an Ace stock which doesn't really matter, but just letting everyone know.

I really don't understand why Joey decided to put such restrictive stock bushings in the redesigns. They make Ace's very hard to turn and it prevents them from performing how they are supposed to be right out of the gate. Now with the Krux bushings, they have that good ol' amazing responsiveness and just an unbeatable turn, while being able to maintain stock geometry. Just hope my kingpins don't come loose again...

Ankle is griefing me so I setup my ACEs to just carve around the park bowls today (no tricks!), Bones med/krux pins. So good, I'm afraid to jump back on thunders again, as I know I'll feel that 'struggle' whereas the aces are just butter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 13, 2016, 08:59:17 PM
Thought you had the Krux bushings, Xen? You should use those instead of Bones, keeping stock geometry is important I've learned. I experimented today and noticed that either Ace stock bottoms or the Krux bottoms perform about the same as long as you use Krux tops. It's that hard Ace top bushing that really restricts the turn most of all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 13, 2016, 09:57:13 PM
I've seen a bunch of people at my Local skatepark that skates in Ace's and they have the stock top bushing and Bones Medium or Soft on the Bottom. Can anyone confirm if that's still too short for the specified geometry?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 13, 2016, 11:32:48 PM
I've seen a bunch of people at my Local skatepark that skates in Ace's and they have the stock top bushing and Bones Medium or Soft on the Bottom. Can anyone confirm if that's still too short for the specified geometry?

I've put a bottom Bones bushing next to an Ace stock with and without the washer underneath and it's always shorter than the Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 14, 2016, 01:09:31 AM
I experimented today and noticed that either Ace stock bottoms or the Krux bottoms perform about the same as long as you use Krux tops. It's that hard Ace top bushing that really restricts the turn most of all.
I hated the stock bushing at first too but I decided to try and actually break them in and I feel like they work pretty much the same as the Krux bushings once they're broke in nicely. That's just my good for nothing opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: obZen on August 14, 2016, 01:59:09 AM
I'm at a point where I'm super anal about how my trucks fit on my board, and I've decided that 8.5 boards are not for me. Just too much real estate under the foot, and 149 indys on 8.25 just seems to throw off my 360 flips a lot compared to when I was riding krux 8.25 trucks for a bit, seems like I have to jump a lot more because the wider trucks slow the rotation down enough to mess with my fat ass. I know that they aren't 8.25” exact, but I'm hoping maybe it will be close enough to not screw with me.

Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 14, 2016, 08:00:26 AM
Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.

They beefed up the hangers on 44's and up.  I've had gigs every night this weekend so I haven't been able to try mine out yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 14, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
You can bend an axle and/or get axle slip on pretty much any truck. It still happens to people's Indy's and Thunder's more often than one would think. Ace aren't any worse or better in that department. I wouldn't worry about it, just grab some 44 redesigns and you'll most likely be fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 15, 2016, 11:37:32 PM
I'm at a point where I'm super anal about how my trucks fit on my board, and I've decided that 8.5 boards are not for me. Just too much real estate under the foot, and 149 indys on 8.25 just seems to throw off my 360 flips a lot compared to when I was riding krux 8.25 trucks for a bit, seems like I have to jump a lot more because the wider trucks slow the rotation down enough to mess with my fat ass. I know that they aren't 8.25� exact, but I'm hoping maybe it will be close enough to not screw with me.

Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.

Regarding the fitting of trucks on boards, I'm on Ace 44 with 8.25, and I put two speed rings outside of the wheels, nothing inside.
Maybe it's just mental but it feels like flip tricks are easier...

For the bending "issue", I'm quite light but I guess it can happend with every trucks brand...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 17, 2016, 06:01:01 PM
Finally got around to setting up my 44's.  My initial thoughts are that I like the height and the way that they grind, but the bushings are super firm.  I'm planning on riding out the dreaded break in period, but do you Ace guys find that the Krux bushings are similar to Indy after markets in that they require way less break in time?  If so I'll gladly pick some up.  If not, I'm just going to stick it out with the stock bushings.  They weren't as surfy as I expected first go, but I'm hoping once the bushings get broken in that will change.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 17, 2016, 06:16:49 PM
Finally got around to setting up my 44's.  My initial thoughts are that I like the height and the way that they grind, but the bushings are super firm.  I'm planning on riding out the dreaded break in period, but do you Ace guys find that the Krux bushings are similar to Indy after markets in that they require way less break in time?  If so I'll gladly pick some up.  If not, I'm just going to stick it out with the stock bushings.  They weren't as surfy as I expected first go, but I'm hoping once the bushings get broken in that will change.

Dude the Krux bushings are perfect right when you throw 'em in the Ace's. Get 'em ASAP. Breaking in the Ace bushings suck, and it takes a long time. They're way too hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 17, 2016, 09:02:26 PM
Everyone is right about the Krux bushings in Ace. Its a perfect combo. On 44s, I use both Krux bushings. On 55s I use stock Ace bottom and top Krux.

No idea if Indys of the same duro work as well or not...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 18, 2016, 01:27:53 AM
Everyone is right about the Krux bushings in Ace. Its a perfect combo. On 44s, I use both Krux bushings. On 55s I use stock Ace bottom and top Krux.

No idea if Indys of the same duro work as well or not...

Krux are NHS, so I would imagine the aftermarket bushings come from the same factory as the Indy aftermarkets. But it would only be smart to use an Indy top in Aces, since the bottoms are too short.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 18, 2016, 05:22:45 AM
I was just referencing the Indy after markets as far break in time goes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: VCR on August 18, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Are Ace's taller than a normal Indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on August 18, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
Are Ace's taller than a normal Indy?

They're 2mm lower
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 22, 2016, 02:34:10 AM
Received my new Ace from SoCal to replace my loose kingpin.
I was surprised to see it was .38 specials... These nuts looks cheap and I immediately replaced them with standard ones.

It seems that they changed the formula of stock bushings or something, because they are not as white as the old one.
Maybe it changes from one batch to another, I don't know...

I'm going to send my "old" baseplate with loose kingpin to Ace and see what happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 22, 2016, 11:20:16 AM
Received my new Ace from SoCal to replace my loose kingpin.
I was surprised to see it was .38 specials... These nuts looks cheap and I immediately replaced them with standard ones.

It seems that they changed the formula of stock bushings or something, because they are not as white as the old one.
Maybe it changes from one batch to another, I don't know...

I'm going to send my "old" baseplate with loose kingpin to Ace and see what happen.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 22, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
That's shitty to hear about the 38's I love hearing about new ideas and when they aren't great it's a bummer.....

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 22, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
Just setup my 44's with the Krux aftermarket's...

Holy shit.  I've never felt a turn quite like it.  Made the mistake of warming up at a manual spot I frequent.  I kept finding myself wrenching down on the kingpin trying to get some sense of stability.  Went to a bank spot and struggled more, though I felt like it was getting better.  Ended up at a ledge spot and by then I was starting to get hooked on the turn.

Magic carpet is an understatement.  I used to ride Indy 149's "finger tight" and those pale in comparison to the turn on these.  Went to Thunder 149 II's afterwards and eventually got used to them and came to love them.  I need more time on these, but at the very least, they'll make for a sweet cruiser setup.

How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 22, 2016, 06:39:56 PM

How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

Street only. I don't have the Krux aftermarkets but Aces are working just fine. Definitely considering switching to those bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 22, 2016, 08:11:59 PM
I'm about to jump into this Krux Bushings Bandwagon. How short is the top Krux bushings compare to Ace? I just want put the nut on till it levels out at the last thread in. I don't want to have even a hint of kingpin sticking out of the nut.

learned the hard way when i first made the switch and i used Bones bushings on Ace's. It gives you the Matt Rodriguez loose trucks to where it shackles and you see the top bushing moving up and down. This throws off the geometry of the truck by a huge margin and also ruins not just the pivot cup bushing but also the hole it keeps it on. my front truck had it's pivot hole stretch to the point that the hanger either slips out or it takes a chunk of the pivot base plate piece.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 22, 2016, 09:44:52 PM
I'm about to jump into this Krux Bushings Bandwagon. How short is the top Krux bushings compare to Ace? I just want put the nut on till it levels out at the last thread in. I don't want to have even a hint of kingpin sticking out of the nut.
The krux top bushing is just a hair shorter than the ace bushings. I don't know the exact measurement but it's probably about a millimeter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 23, 2016, 12:20:43 AM
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.

I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 23, 2016, 06:31:31 AM
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How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
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I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

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All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.
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I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?

They are probably the exact same bushings.  Urethane color can vary based on a thousand different factors.  It doesn't mean that one is harder than the other
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 23, 2016, 06:41:23 AM
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How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
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I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

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All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.
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I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?

If you want to buy krux bushings go to Titus skateshop webstore, they usually have everything and they ship from germany so thats maybe 5 euros for shipping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 23, 2016, 08:40:38 AM
Yes, the Krux top bushing is just slightly shorter than an Ace stock, but it's fine, you just have to turn the nut a few more times to keep it secure. They'll be nice and loose and you'll have the best turn in da bidniz.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9€. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20€ for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20€ at least.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 23, 2016, 11:54:24 AM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

Which one, you live in turku right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=48056.msg2540206#msg2540206 date=1471978464
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My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.
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Which one, you live in turku right?

Dylan's Trading

At least they've got them on their website. Haven't asked in the shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 23, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Hey for you guys who run the krux or flipped kingpins....how do you keep the nut from spinning in the baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 23, 2016, 11:27:01 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=48056.msg2540206#msg2540206 date=1471978464
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My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.
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Which one, you live in turku right?
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Dylan's Trading

At least they've got them on their website. Haven't asked in the shop.
Cheers, now i finally have a reason to go check that place out!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 23, 2016, 11:48:42 PM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

That's very kind of you, but I managed to find them on eBay from UK yesterday, it was 15€ shipping included, which is OK compared to Bones...
Can't wait to try them !

I don't know what's going on with international shipping rate, I went to the post office yesterday to send a Ace baseplate to USA for warranty, it was like 26€... Can have a whole truck for this price...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 25, 2016, 01:14:08 AM
Just received these!
(http://i.imgur.com/HRMzxc5.jpg)

and here's the comparison...

Ace Top's on the Left and Krux Tops on the right
(http://i.imgur.com/qBU4xGA.jpg)

I put them both(Top's Only) on my Regular and Cruiser Set ups(Both Ace 44's). Didn't have to break them in like everyone said and it finally gave me that "broken-in" Ace signature turn. My only grief about them is that they kinda give your board a soggy sound or that sound that you get with soft wheels and this is only for my regular set up with 99a wheels. So for those that like to have the nut flush or don't want a part of the kingpin to stick out past the nut. your gonna have to finger tighten it and use a tool and turn it one time  around and 3 quarters for the 2nd turn almost all the way around. It should only leave about a millimeter of kingpin, so about the same look as when you first get it out of the bag/skateshop. i guess that i can let go because it actually keeps it intact and gives you more of a highly responsive/surfy turn but not too bouncy of a rebound. so more stable loose than wobbly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 31, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
I almost always ride silver trucks but this color combo is pure sex. Anyone know if they are the redesigns?

http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/diamond-black (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/diamond-black)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Showerface on August 31, 2016, 05:24:40 PM
^OG's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 31, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
^OG's

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 02, 2016, 12:46:58 PM
How much do Ace weigh compared to Indy's? I've been riding a set of Indy 169's (the ~9" ones) for years but they're heavy as shit. Are Aces  any lighter?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 02, 2016, 01:14:28 PM
According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on September 02, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so  they're definitely a bit heavier now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 02, 2016, 01:56:51 PM
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According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
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That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so  they're definitely a bit heavier now.

The current Ace 44's weigh 392g.  Regular Indy 149 are 394g and Indy Ti 149 are 339g
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 03, 2016, 09:55:06 PM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on September 03, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.

Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 04, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
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Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.
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Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

thanks dawg
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 05, 2016, 01:35:10 AM
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Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.
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Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

My 44's are still OK, 3 months old. I'm 130 lbs btw...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on September 05, 2016, 07:06:06 AM
i've been riding new 44s for the last 6 months and they're holding up well. i'm 6'2", 165lbs and they still feel sturdy as ever. but i don't jump down gaps or stairs, so they're probably much less prone to bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
Hey for you guys who run the krux or flipped kingpins....how do you keep the nut from spinning in the baseplate?

I use:

http://www.jbweld.com/products/steelstik-epoxy-putty-stick (http://www.jbweld.com/products/steelstik-epoxy-putty-stick)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 07, 2016, 12:08:19 AM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 07, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.

I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on September 07, 2016, 12:16:41 PM
Main's right. They only thing that matters is that you engage the plastic in the kingpin nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on September 07, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
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For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
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I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.

I'm used to riding Indy and Thunder's finger tight on the axle nut.  The decreased height of the Krux top bushing had me feeling weird about seeing so many threads (at least 3) on the kingpin nut.  I haven't skated it yet, but randomly threw the stock Ace top bushings back on for no apparent reason but to have less threads sticking out.  Should be able to get back out tomorrow night.

Been on the redesign 44's for almost a month.  Really like the height, turn, and the feel on grinds.  Hate the stock bushings, and wish a better manufacturer would make bushings in the same dimension ala Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 07, 2016, 06:51:35 PM
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For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
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I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.
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I'm used to riding Indy and Thunder's finger tight on the axle nut.  The decreased height of the Krux top bushing had me feeling weird about seeing so many threads (at least 3) on the kingpin nut.  I haven't skated it yet, but randomly threw the stock Ace top bushings back on for no apparent reason but to have less threads sticking out.  Should be able to get back out tomorrow night.

Been on the redesign 44's for almost a month.  Really like the height, turn, and the feel on grinds.  Hate the stock bushings, and wish a better manufacturer would make bushings in the same dimension ala Indy.

I experimented with Ace top bushings and Krux bottom and it felt as if I never swapped the bushings out to begin with. The Ace top is really what is restricting the turning on the newer design Ace's. They need to manufacture them with slightly shorter top bushings and also make the durometer not so hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 08, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
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For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
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I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.

OK thanks, I'll try !
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 08, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 08, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?

Correct.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?

I swear there is a mom joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 12, 2016, 06:10:24 PM
The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

I meant to comment on this. Can you post a pic? I'm curious to see how bad it is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 15, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
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what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?
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I swear there is a mom joke in there somewhere.

I told your mom to make it finger tight and she took my nut off and tightened it as much as she could with her finger strength.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 16, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
Never really had a problem with Ace pivot cups, just squeaky like all other stock ones. Thinking about getting some Khiro's for shits. I'm 220lbs, should I go with hards or softs? Do the hards restrict the turning at all?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 24, 2016, 04:32:37 PM
were the 38 specials part of the redesign?

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 24, 2016, 08:31:09 PM
were the 38 specials part of the redesign?

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)

Nah, the redesigns happened late 2015. They just started officially putting 38's on newer production is all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 25, 2016, 10:45:27 AM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.

Holy. Fuck. Thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 25, 2016, 11:39:09 AM
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It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.
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Holy. Fuck. Thank you.

You're welcome man! The stock bushings on my transition board are finally broken in, and man am I ever loving these trucks all the more each session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
I have a board I mainly skate miniramps.....I have it set up with thunders cause I don't want to carve.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
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It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.
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Holy. Fuck. Thank you.
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You're welcome man! The stock bushings on my transition board are finally broken in, and man am I ever loving these trucks all the more each session.

Good to hear! Still gotta get yourself some Krux bushings though dog, them shits is fire.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on September 25, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
I would be down to try those magnesium baseplates if they weren't anodized.  I can't deal with non silver trucks, which is kind of petty.  On another note, I've been running Krux bottom bushings with Ace top bushings in my newish 44's, and think the stock bushings are pretty decent if you take the time to break them in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 04:57:53 PM
I would be down to try those magnesium baseplates if they weren't anodized.  I can't deal with non silver trucks, which is kind of petty.  On another note, I've been running Krux bottom bushings with Ace top bushings in my newish 44's, and think the stock bushings are pretty decent if you take the time to break them in.

Dude use a Krux top, there's no break in needed. Ace's top bushing is too tall and hard of a durometer it takes forever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 12:44:32 AM
Of course, right when I get my money situated and am ready to order the mag plates, warehouseskateboards no longer has them on there. I guess it's a sign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 27, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
Yeah I just got issued a full refund on the mag plates. It must have been an error on the site.. fucking bummer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
Of course, right when I get my money situated and am ready to order the mag plates, warehouseskateboards no longer has them on there. I guess it's a sign?

Damn, I would have scooped up a pair or two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
Yeah I just got issued a full refund on the mag plates. It must have been an error on the site.. fucking bummer.

Hmm...Ok, that makes a little more sense now. They've not had mag plates in production for awhile now, and I didn't understand why only warehouseskateboards had them in stock all the sudden. Welp, there goes that haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2016, 08:56:28 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 09:17:54 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones

The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: darbuzz on September 28, 2016, 07:04:54 AM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2016, 09:57:18 AM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Hi or Lo?

Really wish I could get a set of lows!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 28, 2016, 10:08:19 AM
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I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones
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The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.

What would changing the kingpin have to do with preventing wobble? They wobble because the hole gets blown out in the baseplate. If anything the added stress of changing a kingpin would exacerbate the problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2016, 11:18:36 AM
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I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones
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The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.
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What would changing the kingpin have to do with preventing wobble? They wobble because the hole gets blown out in the baseplate. If anything the added stress of changing a kingpin would exacerbate the problem.

The krux is a reverse kingpin, i.e. the nut is in the plate and can be secured with expoxy or whatever, or the plate can be tight enough so the nut doesn't move, thereby keeping the pin from spinning/wobbling...

If you ride tight as trucks it shouldn't matter, but loose it would.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 29, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: darbuzz on September 30, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
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The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
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Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.

Nah,Im in "Highrollers" and yea they have silver kingpins, wherabouts are you?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 30, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?

Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.

You should be fine mixing them. As far as the bushings go, the old bushings I had to run 3 kingpin threads showing to not die. The redesign bushings I had to go a full turn loose from flush to get them to respond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 30, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
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The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
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Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.
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Nah,Im in "Highrollers" and yea they have silver kingpins, wherabouts are you?

USA
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 02, 2016, 03:35:18 AM
Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.
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Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.
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I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.

Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 02, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Doughboy on October 02, 2016, 04:22:20 PM
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
Ace 44=8.38
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2016, 09:01:45 PM
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Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.
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I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.
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Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 03, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
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Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.
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I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.
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Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
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Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.

False alarm. I just checked again. I was looking at the mounting holes and baseplate instead of the axle which is where the wheels are mounted -.- oops. They definitely shorten the wheelbase, my bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 03, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
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I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
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Ace 44=8.38

What size are the 33's??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on October 03, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
8.0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 03, 2016, 04:15:30 PM
What are 55s? I know it's either 8.75 or 8.875, but which one is it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on October 03, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
55's are 8.875
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 03, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
8.0

Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on October 03, 2016, 09:07:23 PM
Will be the next pair I buy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 04, 2016, 05:51:54 AM
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Thank you!

It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 04, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
As much as I've been liking my ace's, I think I pretty much have to go back to thunders.

It's all about that geometry. Ace has that creamy buttery turn but can feel a little unstable. thunders turn is more of a tilt.. but I feel a lot more confident with the axles farther forward (as apposed to the axles being right under the baseplate).

I thought I could compensate by riding bigger decks, but I'm not going over 8.5, and hunting down WB numbers is a drag.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 05, 2016, 06:17:43 AM
How far do Thunders push out the wheelbase compared to Ace or Indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2016, 05:11:24 PM
As much as I've been liking my ace's, I think I pretty much have to go back to thunders.

It's all about that geometry. Ace has that creamy buttery turn but can feel a little unstable. thunders turn is more of a tilt.. but I feel a lot more confident with the axles farther forward (as apposed to the axles being right under the baseplate).

I thought I could compensate by riding bigger decks, but I'm not going over 8.5, and hunting down WB numbers is a drag.

The struggle is real, bro!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 06, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
How far do Thunders push out the wheelbase compared to Ace or Indy?

I just picked up some 149 hollow lights today, I can try measuring it somehow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 06, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
From my eye ball estimate, going from ace 44 to thunder hollow lights adds almost an inch to the wheelbase. I couldn't find my tape measure!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 09, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
From my eye ball estimate, going from ace 44 to thunder hollow lights adds almost an inch to the wheelbase. I couldn't find my tape measure!
Thunder hollow lights - 17.25
My ace base plates are shot, so I have my 44 hangers on indy stage 9 plates. Ace indy combo - 17 inches
Indy stage 11 - 17.375
Venture lows - 17.625
All measurements are from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle on a board with a 14 inch wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 09, 2016, 02:13:44 PM
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Thank you!
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It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.

Oh no, that matters to be. There's a good difference between the 33's and 44's then. Will be trying the 44's more than likely then
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
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Thank you!
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It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.
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Oh no, that matters to be. There's a good difference between the 33's and 44's then. Will be trying the 44's more than likely then

ahaha idk man, the ace 03 i have fit perfect on my real 8.12. doesnt look under the width or anything. literally flush with the axle on an 8.12
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MonistatOne on October 13, 2016, 07:29:57 AM
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 13, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
They are not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 13, 2016, 08:39:53 AM
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Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
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They are not.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs#)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on November 06, 2016, 01:36:30 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 06, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Yeah.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 06, 2016, 05:31:20 PM
but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?
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Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:03:07 PM
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Yeah.

definitely , i was riding indy lows mainly cause of the deep indy carve/turn but with my low preference but the weight was killing me, all the shredders who rock standard indys full solid weight can tell you, me the world how weight doesnt matter but truthfully, it DOES matter cause when your getting a bit winded youll feel it. how much effort it takes just to try another trick. lighter trucks make it easier

to wrap it up, aces are like indys but lighter and quicker on the turn response

but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?


i dont think so, since your riding thunder 149 if your curious imp i suggest try some 44 the new ones. they should be about the same height, probably lighter by a little, and trust me they turn just as quick as thunders but turn deeper than thunder by some. im loving my 03.

the ace stock bushings are kinda tight at first but give them time and they break in feeling like thunder bushngs, atleast thats how i feel. and like everyone says, the aces should shorten your wheel base or keep it at the length the board originally measured it to be rather than extend it like the thunders do.

dont get me wrong thunders are good if you want excellent response but if you want something between thunder and indy definitely ACE. in my opinion the krux bushing swap is just so they get a nice soft deep quick turn and response, i dont ride loose so i keep it in the middle with the stock(sorry if im repeating ahah) i have my trucks medium tight, i can still turn while cruising even on sharp corners, it just takes a little effort sometimes a tick tack but rarely
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 06, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
nice, I'm guessing I'll stick with the thunders for a bit - just seemed like less fuss off the bat (which is exactly what I was looking for). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 06, 2016, 07:25:51 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Depends on what you want out of the truck and what / how you skate as they all do the same thing, just slightly different.

Indy's are probably the best all around truck (forged).

I've been switching off/on Indy and Thunders but swapped out to aces/bones med today, felt so good; they did what I want when I wanted and didn't feel off with anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:43:54 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...

woah what size are 55s ?

i know 44 are 8.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on November 06, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
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Yeah.
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definitely , i was riding indy lows mainly cause of the deep indy carve/turn but with my low preference but the weight was killing me, all the shredders who rock standard indys full solid weight can tell you, me the world how weight doesnt matter but truthfully, it DOES matter cause when your getting a bit winded youll feel it. how much effort it takes just to try another trick. lighter trucks make it easier

to wrap it up, aces are like indys but lighter and quicker on the turn response

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but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?

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i dont think so, since your riding thunder 149 if your curious imp i suggest try some 44 the new ones. they should be about the same height, probably lighter by a little, and trust me they turn just as quick as thunders but turn deeper than thunder by some. im loving my 03.

the ace stock bushings are kinda tight at first but give them time and they break in feeling like thunder bushngs, atleast thats how i feel. and like everyone says, the aces should shorten your wheel base or keep it at the length the board originally measured it to be rather than extend it like the thunders do.

dont get me wrong thunders are good if you want excellent response but if you want something between thunder and indy definitely ACE. in my opinion the krux bushing swap is just so they get a nice soft deep quick turn and response, i dont ride loose so i keep it in the middle with the stock(sorry if im repeating ahah) i have my trucks medium tight, i can still turn while cruising even on sharp corners, it just takes a little effort sometimes a tick tack but rarely
Thanks man im deffinitely gonna order a set now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 11:11:47 PM
you wont regret, they grind like butter too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
I've been riding Indy for 10 years, switched to Ace 44 in May, and I really enjoy them.
The perfect thing is that they can be very loose while holding up on high speed, and no wheel bites.

I had to deal with the Krux bushing thing since I didn't want to wait for the stocks to break in...

I don't think I'll be back on Indy soon, Aces fit really nice with the way I skate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 07, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
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rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...
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woah what size are 55s ?

i know 44 are 8.25

55s are 8 7/8" axle/ 162mm hanger I believe. 44s are more like 8 3/8"s axles and 146mm hangers...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2016, 02:47:58 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...

Sizing is odd, but I get that they were trying to accommodate more than one deck size per truck; 44s are such a universal size really.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 07, 2016, 06:50:39 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on November 07, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

+1 I'm crossing my fingers. If Ace can shape up, I'll probably alternate between thunder and ace till I die.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 07, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
ha I think those are the only 2 trucks I'm gonna alternate from now for life, I mean probably gonna ride ace til death but if anything comes up thunder is always a top choice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 08, 2016, 02:52:50 PM
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44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
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And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Anything else?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 08, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
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44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
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And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
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Anything else?
Titanium axles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
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44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
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Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....

ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.

There isn't enough market for them. Theeve are arguably a better truck from a manu pov and the V1/v2 feel the same as ACE do (prototype theeves ran ACE plates ;) If they weren't almost $200 bucks a set I'd ride the tih.

Indy and Thunder dominate their respective styles, they have a legacy and people are reluctant to try new shit.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 08, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
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44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
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Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....
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ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.

There isn't enough market for them. Theeve are arguably a better truck from a manu pov and the V1/v2 feel the same as ACE do (prototype theeves ran ACE plates ;) If they weren't almost $200 bucks a set I'd ride the tih.

Indy and Thunder dominate their respective styles, they have a legacy and people are reluctant to try new shit.



Ha yeah it's true I got the 03 and they're supposed to be 7.875 or something but truthfully I compared them with my 147 hi and 139 low and they were basically the same length beside the 147 being just a hair longer

But hey the 03 fit perfectly on my 8.125 chocolate, on my old 8 girl it was a hair but hotdogging
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 08, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 08, 2016, 09:30:53 PM


ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.




Totally agree. something half way between a 44 and 55 would be nice. say an 8 5/8" axle...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
I just think the vast majority of boards go up by quarter inch increments.....why not trucks.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on November 09, 2016, 12:07:22 AM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.

Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 09, 2016, 08:31:16 AM
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Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.

good to hear. I was a little worried about that .13 mm extra but it's probably not even noticeable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
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does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.
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Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.
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good to hear. I was a little worried about that .13 mm extra but it's probably not even noticeable.

44s on an 8.25" are perfect.  A hair wider than 139/147/8" and enough under an 8.5" where you still don't see bolts sticking out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on November 09, 2016, 03:21:22 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
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Post by: Main on November 09, 2016, 07:32:20 PM
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I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
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I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

No, it's cause the hanger isn't securely locked into the baseplate all the way. Pull up on it with your hand and you'll see it slide up from the pivot point. That's how it goes with wobbly loose trucks.
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Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2016, 07:33:05 PM
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I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
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I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2016, 10:05:27 PM
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I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
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went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?

Mental/OCD
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 10:17:09 PM
Two words....koo-koo....

I just like to maximize my truck and hate wheels sticking out....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on November 10, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
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I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
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I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
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went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?
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Mental/OCD

ditto... Cannot see trucks from above ( maybe a little wheel nut ) or I can't skate. Also trucks cannot be too small and go all magic carpet ride. Everything else in my little world I am ok with. Except colored wheels. And white dipped boards. And colored grip tape. And red top stains or blue bottom stains. Everything is ok.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 20matar on November 12, 2016, 03:17:05 PM
I have to ask. What exactly is a "magic carpet ride" in that context? The picture is not strong enough for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Board too wide for trucks......what's trucks too wide for board?  Hot rod? 

That one is worse......I've always just felt same width...if you're riding a wider board...you should have the stability of a wide truck....if you are riding a narrowe board....you don't want clunky trucks......so you ride the same width....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sufodiv on November 16, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
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I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
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I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
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went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?
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Mental/OCD
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ditto... Cannot see trucks from above ( maybe a little wheel nut ) or I can't skate. Also trucks cannot be too small and go all magic carpet ride. Everything else in my little world I am ok with. Except colored wheels. And white dipped boards. And colored grip tape. And red top stains or blue bottom stains. Everything is ok.


I rode an 8.375 with 44s and hated it. 8.1/8.25 with 44s is ideal for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2016, 09:51:23 PM
44s on 8.18 is my new favourite combo.

I rocked that for while and was pleasantly surprised; couldn't even notice any axle nut overhang issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: poowizard on November 16, 2016, 10:29:11 PM
I'm back on my second set of Aces. I went from Indy stage9's to Ace......wanted to try Indy stage 10's..... did..... and went back to Aces. It's like homecoming. I'll bounce from 8.25 to 8.38 with 44's and it works out dandy for me. I usually swap out to softer conical bushings but I'm almost thinking about going back to the stock ace bushings for a little more stability with the bottom barrel. (the older and heavier I get the less I need loose trucks I guess)

On both pairs I've had/currently have I always bend the axles a little but it doesn't bother me for some reason. If they could strengthen the axle without changing the hangar, that would be sick.

I like the way they look and its always cool to see some footy pop up with other ACE pilots.

They've been coming with smaller axle nuts that don't have the same plastic insert locking mechanism as before. It uses the same socket size as mounting hardware (10/32) and it IS still considered a "lock nut" just without the plastic. They're kinda cool just for flavor sake.

Your mom likes em'
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2016, 10:49:04 AM
I'm back on my second set of Aces. I went from Indy stage9's to Ace......wanted to try Indy stage 10's..... did..... and went back to Aces. It's like homecoming. I'll bounce from 8.25 to 8.38 with 44's and it works out dandy for me. I usually swap out to softer conical bushings but I'm almost thinking about going back to the stock ace bushings for a little more stability with the bottom barrel. (the older and heavier I get the less I need loose trucks I guess)

On both pairs I've had/currently have I always bend the axles a little but it doesn't bother me for some reason. If they could strengthen the axle without changing the hangar, that would be sick.

I like the way they look and its always cool to see some footy pop up with other ACE pilots.

They've been coming with smaller axle nuts that don't have the same plastic insert locking mechanism as before. It uses the same socket size as mounting hardware (10/32) and it IS still considered a "lock nut" just without the plastic. They're kinda cool just for flavor sake.

Your mom likes em'


My guess is the alloy is just too soft, that's what the axle bends (not heard of the new designs bending yet); either get better alloy or give Ti Axles :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 19, 2016, 02:31:09 PM
Someone claimed they've bent their newer designed Ace's but they haven't posted a picture yet. If it's you and you're reading this, do it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 02, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
Hello fellow SLAP pals. I usually just post stuff for sale on here but wanted to chime in on these "38 specials" axle nuts Ace has been hyping up and give my personal experience. I noticed when I first put the wheel on and tightened down the nut I could barely go more than a couple small turns or else the wheel wouldn't even spin, yet the nut was barely on the axle. Right off the bat I thought something was wrong with these. However, what I ended up doing is tightening down the nut a whole lot, so it was showing 2-3 threads on the outside and the wheel definitely could not even move, then I loosened them up and everything went back to normal. The nut was on the axle properly and locked, and the wheel with the axle washers on both sides spun like it should and still had just that tiny bit of play which I always do. So I think people may be having issues with these new nuts falling off because they don't do the trick I discovered, therefore it never locks onto the axle properly. Hope this helps, I skated for a long time today and they did not come loose, they seem legit. However, if they do start coming loose after many sessions I will report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 02, 2017, 07:41:45 PM
What you did was squeeze the bearings in properly. I always do this so they sit right in the wheel. Another thing you could do is only use the outside washer. As Ace have the tapered hangar you don't need an inside washer. That will also give you more thread... Just a thought....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on April 03, 2017, 06:07:11 AM
Someone claimed they've bent their newer designed Ace's but they haven't posted a picture yet. If it's you and you're reading this, do it.

I've had two sets of the redesign with no issue. Great trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on April 03, 2017, 06:19:57 AM
On my third month of almost daily skating on the new ones, no problems. One of the wheel nuts worked loose and  flew off but I tightened it an extra half turn and it has been fine since. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on April 03, 2017, 09:04:37 AM
What you did was squeeze the bearings in properly. I always do this so they sit right in the wheel. Another thing you could do is only use the outside washer. As Ace have the tapered hangar you don't need an inside washer. That will also give you more thread... Just a thought....
I was taught this as just a young little grom at my local shit hole skateshop....RIP shit hole skateshop, RIP.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 03, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
While its being brought up i've had these .38 special axle nuts for over a month, purely a cosmetic upgrade but when i first put them on in comparison to the normal nuts that i had on my indys there was less room for wheel play, that little clack clack i like to have between hanger and nut, the only compromise i had to make to get these nuts on was take off an extra inner washer i had so the end of the axle poked through slightly, mines barely a thread down but they've stayed snug as anything. Brand new in the packet the nuts are oval in shape and when they're tightened down onto the axle they get pushed out to a rounder shape, im assuming this is their version of locking it in rather than using the nylock, im sold on these and will probably use them on every truck i set up from here on out, bonus is they just look cool against the wheel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 03, 2017, 11:00:07 PM
I've got Ace 55s with the 3/8 axle nuts on my cruiser right now. Threw my board down on the street a few weeks ago, wheel came off before my front foot even hit the board, ate shit and almost got run over by a bus.

I think the nut may not have been as tight as it could have but it definitely wasn't loose to the point where it should be falling off. I have them cranked down as far as I can now, fingers crossed that doesn't happen again. I'd like to think it was a freak accident because they do look quite cool compared to normal axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
If you took them on and off a few times...wouldn't the ovalness become ineffective?  Or strip your axel? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 04, 2017, 12:05:59 AM
I have a set of 44s and 55s that came with the 3/8 nuts... standard replacement nuts are like $2.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 04, 2017, 02:34:52 AM
My shop just put on regular nuts without me asking when I got my 44's.  They look out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on April 04, 2017, 06:49:28 AM
I don't trust these .38 special nuts either.
I replaced them with standard nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 22, 2017, 11:04:08 PM
I've been skating Indys only for years but Aces have had me drooling for some time now. I.'m just  to pussy too pull the trigger and always end up getting Indys (which I love).


So how do these compare to Indys? Half of these posts make me want to go get some aces's asap and then the other half have me like, "Eh now I'm glad I've stuck with Indys."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 22, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 23, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.

Glad to hear they can still be somewhat stable. I had THeeve V1s which were basically aces and I loved the turn so much but I want to be able to roll and do a trick with thinking about it/trying to focus on being nimble if that makes sense.

Oh and if it helps,  I ride my trucks in between medium and floppy loose. Loose but when you turn the bard over and press all the way on a wheel it's about an inch or so from wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on April 23, 2017, 04:28:02 PM
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The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.
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Glad to hear they can still be somewhat stable. I had THeeve V1s which were basically aces and I loved the turn so much but I want to be able to roll and do a trick with thinking about it/trying to focus on being nimble if that makes sense.

Oh and if it helps,  I ride my trucks in between medium and floppy loose. Loose but when you turn the bard over and press all the way on a wheel it's about an inch or so from wheelbite.
Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 24, 2017, 10:03:47 AM
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Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)

Hey, I see people recommending krux bushings all the time with them, but could you be more specific on what they do bring to the table?
I ride ace 44s gen 1 stock on an 8.25, with the nut flush on the kingpin and they feel REAL good even from the start (i'm about ~65kg also, so i guess pretty average weight).
I believe the top and lower ace bushings are different duros as well as they aren't exactly the same color (don't even look to be made out of the same urethane if that makes sense).
So, are krux softer? or is it something else ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 24, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
At least stock Krux bushings are much softer than Ace bushings. Haven't tried the aftermarket ones but I absolutely hated the stock Krux bushings I tried in my Aces. I know I'm rather alone with that opinion though. I'm a big guy and I like stability AND a nice deep turn that doesn't take too much effort. So, I'm not one of those loose as fuck ppls.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on April 24, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
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Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)
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Hey, I see people recommending krux bushings all the time with them, but could you be more specific on what they do bring to the table?
I ride ace 44s gen 1 stock on an 8.25, with the nut flush on the kingpin and they feel REAL good even from the start (i'm about ~65kg also, so i guess pretty average weight).
I believe the top and lower ace bushings are different duros as well as they aren't exactly the same color (don't even look to be made out of the same urethane if that makes sense).
So, are krux softer? or is it something else ?
Krux are softer and the top bushing is a little bit shorter. So you can tighten your nut down enough to keep it from falling off while not making your trucks get tighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 24, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 26, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
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Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.
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Good call!!!  ;D
I actually use loose boxers cause i like some bagginess down there, but my buddy swears by tight ones, avoids accidents he says.
He rides tighter trucks too, so maybe there's a correlation somewhere...?!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 02:18:55 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 05, 2017, 02:54:51 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 03:35:46 AM
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Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
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That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 05, 2017, 06:45:56 AM
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Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
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That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
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Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.

Skate warehouse complete builder? Sounds like it...doesn't let you put crazy combos together, e.g., 7.5" deck and ACE 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
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Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
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That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
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Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.
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Skate warehouse complete builder? Sounds like it...doesn't let you put crazy combos together, e.g., 7.5" deck and ACE 55s.
Yeah I ordered from SW.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 05, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

it will be totally fine, no matter the deck shape. The Ace axles will be an 1/8" shorter each side of the deck. Like riding 149s and an 8.75". If you're that concerned add more washers to push the wheels further out a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

I had an 8.62 anti hero on my ace 44s for a lil bit, felt fine honestly, didn't notice anything off. Like others have said, if it bothers you, you can always put more washers on the inside side of the wheel to push them out a little bit more, I think ace axles are slightly longer than normal ones anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM
Does anyone know if a "high" hanger can sit on a "low" Ace baseplate as long as I swap the kingpin out to a "high" one or a Krux pin? Or is the "low" baseplate a different geometry that can't fit "high" hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Does anyone know if a "high" hanger can sit on a "low" Ace baseplate as long as I swap the kingpin out to a "high" one or a Krux pin? Or is the "low" baseplate a different geometry that can't fit "high" hangers?

I don't think they do unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 14, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Not my pic but this is gnarly and since people always say that Aces have the worst piviot cups known to man I thought it'd be cool to post.



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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 22, 2017, 12:37:24 AM
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 22, 2017, 01:27:12 AM
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.


Did you just have spare hangers lying around or did you buy just hangers? Copped a set of the mag baseplates and am wondering if its possible to buy just hangers rather than the entire truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 22, 2017, 02:33:47 AM
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Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.

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Did you just have spare hangers lying around or did you buy just hangers? Copped a set of the mag baseplates and am wondering if its possible to buy just hangers rather than the entire truck.

I had spare hangers because I had an issue with my kingpin, changed the baseplate only...
I think someone posted while ago a link to a sketchy website where you can buy spare parts, not sure if it still exist and/or if they carry Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pigeon on May 23, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
I'm contemplating buying a set of 33 Hi, because I've heard that they were modeled off Indy Stage VII. I don't know how often they change their trucks, or if they even do, so is there still any truth to the Stage VII comparison?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 23, 2017, 03:10:24 PM
Aces are based off of stage III indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on August 26, 2017, 08:06:36 AM
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 26, 2017, 09:28:38 AM
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch

Get a hammer and knock the original kingpin out. The rest is straightforward, you may need the krux bushings because the ace stock bushings could be a bit tall. Note that there isn't anything to hold the nut on the underside of the baseplate, so tightening it down a lot may be tricky, and when you do, it could sometimes loosen back up. Also adjusting in general is annoying. Can be solved with loctite though. I think it's worth it though, the Kingpin clearance you get is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on August 26, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
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Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch
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Get a hammer and knock the original kingpin out. The rest is straightforward, you may need the krux bushings because the ace stock bushings could be a bit tall. Note that there isn't anything to hold the nut on the underside of the baseplate, so tightening it down a lot may be tricky, and when you do, it could sometimes loosen back up. Also adjusting in general is annoying. Can be solved with loctite though. I think it's worth it though, the Kingpin clearance you get is ridiculous.

All true. I gave up on the Krux kingpins after a couple of seriously squirrelly incidents. Use the loctite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 28, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
My whole shit fell apart once....so this is a good idea....

To tighten your trucks, I found that if you push on your trucks in one direction you get some tension and it kinda works versus taking your whole damn truck off......
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on August 28, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.


ACE are totally serviceable without Krux pins; it is suggested that you get some better pivot cups out of the gate tho. All stock cups in most trucks are shitty hard ass plastic that will get chewed up, just like stock bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 28, 2017, 10:50:51 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.


Nah, they're good to rip stock.

I've never had a problem with Ace pivot cups and the stock bushings are great quality also. I change mine out of personable preference but they come ready to go unless you dwell on this thread too often.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on August 28, 2017, 11:21:45 AM
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Nah, they're good to rip stock.

I've never had a problem with Ace pivot cups and the stock bushings are great quality also. I change mine out of personable preference but they come ready to go unless you dwell on this thread too often.


It seems a lot of slap pals are nerds for truck modification LOL I'm just one of those guys that's fine with stock indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on August 28, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 29, 2017, 01:36:03 AM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 01, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
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They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on September 02, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 02, 2017, 09:29:44 AM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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They did.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
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Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 02, 2017, 03:14:55 PM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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They did.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
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Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
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Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.

You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 02, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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They did.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
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Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
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Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
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You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?

well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 02, 2017, 09:31:50 PM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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They did.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
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Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
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Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
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You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?
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well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Can you put your wheels on?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 03, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
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all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
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They did.
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they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
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Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
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Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
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You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?
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well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
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Can you put your wheels on?

yes. and wheels will roll just fine. When new wheels are put on those aces it is most apparent that something is wrong, as they are obviously tilted the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spicy boi. on September 03, 2017, 07:15:56 PM
I'm done with aces, bent my axles on a pretty small ollie on a bank to flat
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gumi on September 03, 2017, 11:22:46 PM
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 05, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
My aces make me nervous. I like the ride, but I get paranoid bombing hills and such. My rear axle seems uneven somehow, and they'r'e ready to explode at any moment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on September 05, 2017, 07:21:40 AM
best trucks ever and even better when the kingpin gets loooose wooo
ripping surfman ride
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on September 05, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
I have some 44's (raw) with krux bushings that have been lightly skated that im willing to part ways with. hit me with a pm if youre interested
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 06, 2017, 06:03:43 PM
I have some 44's (raw) with krux bushings that have been lightly skated that im willing to part ways with. hit me with a pm if youre interested
see my classifieds post about the eS' seslas and let me know if you're down for a trade
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on October 06, 2017, 04:38:00 AM
How do you guys put those inverted kingpin on Aces ?
Also, I broke my pivot cups, changed them with the Krux but they seem to tight. I also had to cut them because they were too long but that's not really a problem. What pivot cup do you use to replace Aces ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 06, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
How do you guys put those inverted kingpin on Aces ?
Also, I broke my pivot cups, changed them with the Krux but they seem to tight. I also had to cut them because they were too long but that's not really a problem. What pivot cup do you use to replace Aces ?

Bang out ace kingpin
take krux pin and put into ace plate
screw on nut
pull kinpin up getting the bolt up/inside the baseplate
Get some epoxy (Steel stick works great, google it)
smoosh it in there around the metal of the nut and the baseplate (don't squish it into the nut's threaded area)

Krux cups only work in krux, they're so fucking tall and deform so oddly (in krux), they don't really blow out but get this odd crease like the truck only leans left and right (rather than turning)

Just pick up some ACE or Indy aftermarket cups, better yet Khiro (small) softs (they're a bit thicker than most) but seem to last a bit longer as they are not hard cheap plastic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 06, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
I've bought some extra Ace pivot cups a while back when I ordered something somewhere. No idea what others work, but Ace ones at least are available somewhere. Ace stuff in general seems a bit hard to come by, especially in Europe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jacob Gary on October 06, 2017, 01:26:48 PM
I just went through a pair of 44's, broke the hanger because they were thin.

I like how they turn the best as opposed to indy and thunder, with thunder being a close second. Maybe I'm just fucked in the head but when I turn on a pair of indys I feel like because the pivot point is wider the turning is damper which is not the case with thunder or ace.

Plus the thin hanger is fuckin dope for mallgrabbing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on October 08, 2017, 07:29:36 AM
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine

How do you know they don't have problems?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on October 08, 2017, 09:53:41 AM
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How do you know they don't have problems?
adding onto j.soy

how do you know they don't switch trucks frequently because they are sponsored?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on October 08, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
FWIW I've jumped down straight drops from about 6' up at 170lbs and I haven't bent an axle or cracked a baseplate yet. Hell, I haven't even so much as loosened the kingpin hole either.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 10, 2017, 11:10:50 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

I don't know about how much it would actually affect your skating, but when you hold it in your hand the difference is pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 11:42:26 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 01:57:03 PM
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It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).

Good looking out, guys.  I missed the low distinction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
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It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).
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Good looking out, guys.  I missed the low distinction.

I was on that site in a heartbeat ready to buy the lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 07:55:29 PM


I was on that site in a heartbeat ready to buy the lot.
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 10, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
I nearly ordered the Mag base plates also but decided against that second donut instead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on October 11, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Anyone skate 44's on 8.0 boards? I want to try ace's again,  havn't had it since I got 03's their first year, which I bent in the first few days, so I want the beefier hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Anyone skate 44's on 8.0 boards? I want to try ace's again,  havn't had it since I got 03's their first year, which I bent in the first few days, so I want the beefier hanger.

Narrowest I went with 44s was on an 8.125, wasn't bad but I didn't stick with it.

Why not just get 33s? Even without the beefier hanger they were (are?) less prone to bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 12, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
I know it‘s been discussed here but can‘t remember if it‘s been solved. Anyway I figured out why some Aces make that anoying squeaking sound and how to fix it! I love how aces turn and feel, but this almost made me ditch them again.
But i finally realized the problem is the pivot cup moving in its socket. So I took them out, put some shoegoo in (the holes where the cups go), put the pivot cups back in and voilá - no more squeaking!
Such a relief after messing with my bushings and pivot cups forever to get rid of it.
Hope it helps if you have the same problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 12, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
I know it‘s been discussed here but can‘t remember if it‘s been solved. Anyway I figured out why some Aces make that anoying squeaking sound and how to fix it! I love how aces turn and feel, but this almost made me ditch them again.
But i finally realized the problem is the pivot cup moving in its socket. So I took them out, put some shoegoo in (the holes where the cups go), put the pivot cups back in and voilá - no more squeaking!
Such a relief after messing with my bushings and pivot cups forever to get rid of it.
Hope it helps if you have the same problem.

but what about when you have to replace your pivot cups? won't there be stuff stuck in the pivot hole?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 12, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
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but what about when you have to replace your pivot cups? won't there be stuff stuck in the pivot hole?

I guess you can still do that. The first session after putting it in there most of it got pushed out again, so there shouldn't be much shoegoo left between the cup and baseplate. And there was just a minimal amount in there to begin with.
I'm about a month in and still no sqeaking by now. Just beyond stoked it worked so far and if it comes back I'll put some more in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:33:50 AM
Just an update for anyone that cares: Ace has now eliminated the curved hanger and they are straight just like every truck out there. The 3/8” axle nuts are no longer included on the trucks, either. They’re back to regular nylock axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kitto Horsley on November 20, 2017, 10:12:15 AM
Having to buy a new set of trucks after leaving my board on a train so...I was wondering what bushings people would recommend if you couldn't get krux (seems to be slap's favourite, but I can't find them anywhere in the UK). On my last aces I had a bones medium on top and stock ace on the bottom which was fine but just seeing what others recommend. I'm tempted to try and just persevere with the stock bushings but its such a pain to break bushings in. Any suggestions welcomed!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 20, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
I tried a ton of different bushing setups on mine and by far the best have been stock Aces. It is indeed a bitch to break them in, but once you've done it, they're brilliant.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 20, 2017, 11:12:35 AM
Having to buy a new set of trucks after leaving my board on a train so...

You need a new leash brah, not new bushings... but Krux if you insist.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 20, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
Try this:
Put your new bushings into hot (almost boiling) water for 10mins, set up your trucks and go skate immediately (at least push around making turns). Your bushings should feel broken in right away.

Or make fun of me and hate your new bushings for weeks. Your choice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 20, 2017, 08:41:10 PM
indy super soft.  swerve immediately.

although i do have a stock top (nutside) that i sanded about a millimeter off of on the back for a little stability.

sanding bushings down is a nightmare though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 09:35:30 PM
I found that ace stock bushings are the best bushings I have tried really, and I was also pleasantly surprised that “breaking them in” was nothing like other trucks. For me ace have been strange, everyone says they are squirrelly and loose but I found them to be more stable and predictable than Indy’s, amazing bushings and broken in within hours. By far the best trucks I have used, finally a truck I can just buy and use stock. I’m 6 foot 3 and 220lbs usually I have to put in hard bushings and tighten them down to get enough stability from Indy’s and I am running stock ace bushings with only one thread showing on the kingpin. So almost flush. Also the quality of ace bushings is definitely above the others. On stock Indy bushings you can see air bubbles and the edges are usually fraying a bit, but ace bushings have no fraying edges, no bubbles, it’s hard to describe but they seem to be way better quality. I think it’s fucking bullshit honestly that teams of engineers designing trucks still use shit bushings but will make them “1mm taller” or put a hollow kingpin in a cast baseplate. These guys could put in better bushings but I’m convinced they don’t so that bones bushings can market theirs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on November 20, 2017, 11:18:22 PM
If I wasn't using a krux top bushing, I'd be running the stock top instead of anything else. But the krux top is so worth it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
I weight about 210lbs and Krux bushings, although great quality, they gave me wheelbite galore on my Ace’s. The trick I found is just keep their stock bottom bushing on with the stock bottom washer, and use any shorter top bushing of your liking. If you just keep the stock Ace top bushing on but remove the washer, it makes your board sound dead even if you tighten it down enough, therefore needing a different top bushing and washer comes into play. I use a black Indy hard for my top bushing on my Ace’s and the washer rattles and spins while I ride and the sound alone gets me pumped. It’s crazy because with this combo I have hardly any wheelbite even though my back truck is loose as hell and my front even looser with a slight amount of hanger wobble and rattling washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 21, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
  How come no ones doing the bones bushings in aces?  Thats what I put in there and they worked. (I'd still ride those but there bent)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2017, 10:24:22 PM
Bones bushings are way too short and affect the geometry of Ace’s. Even when I put a washer underneath the bottom bushing it was still shorter than the stock one without its washer. Bones work great if you don’t care about the geometry and want insanely wobbly loose. I think Matt Rodriguez stopped cutting his bushings and just started using the Bones if my eyes saw correctly in a picture. I could see the plastic cores from the Bones bushings.

I also got insane wheelbite using Bones. Now, using a stock bottom bushing with a bones medium top worked great...until I slappied a dozen times and the top bones bushing shredded from the core. In general, I don’t think Bones bushings are worth what you pay for. One of the most expensive bushings on the market and they separate from the core or deform easily unless you buy the hards, and those take awhile to break in. Pure urethane bushings are the way to go, just gotta find the right duro and shape that suits you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 21, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
  How come no ones doing the bones bushings in aces?  Thats what I put in there and they worked. (I'd still ride those but there bent)

I ran bones hards in my ACE lows, loved it once they broke in, ACES force bones hards to turn :)

I've also ran bones meds in aces with proper height washers, works fine...currently running mini logo softs in aces with washers (same height as stock) and it's great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 22, 2017, 05:30:02 AM
Do the axles still slip?
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Post by: Mongoloid on November 22, 2017, 06:29:41 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.
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I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.

Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on November 22, 2017, 07:45:57 AM
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Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.

I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2017, 07:57:19 AM
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I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?

Over the years I've ridden 03s 33s 44s 55s 66s all with no slippage and only one set of [old] 44s bent, sent them in and asked for the set of '03s and they obliged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 22, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
I found that it wasn't flipping my board that caused axel slippage....it was not landing it.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 22, 2017, 11:19:04 AM
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I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?

Been at least three years so yes, definitely an older set. No one seems to sell them around here anymore, though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kitto Horsley on November 23, 2017, 02:39:46 AM
Thanks for the help guys. Just going to keep everything stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on November 25, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
On my current set up I have a bones soft top and stock ace on my front truck and old worn in indy brushings in the back truck. Works for me even though it looks strange :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 25, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 25, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter

Same bottom barrel height, ACE tops are much taller than krux (and pretty much everything else); Krux are softer (and same duro top and bottom), ACE used to be different duros, not sure about now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 25, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
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Same bottom barrel height, ACE tops are much taller than krux (and pretty much everything else); Krux are softer (and same duro top and bottom), ACE used to be different duros, not sure about now.
Ohh okay, I like the sound of that. I know Krux and Indy stock bushings supposedly have the same duro but Krux are definitely harder. I'm most likely gonna pick up a new complete w/ Aces so I can't wait to see how they feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on November 25, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Just going to keep everything stock
I'm UK and pretty certain I got my krux from Amazon matey : EDIT Just seen postage, I didnt pay that much :(  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skateboard-Accessories-Krux-Cushions-Bushings/dp/B01BWN3OCE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511668659&sr=8-1&keywords=krux+bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on November 26, 2017, 02:04:25 AM
Cheaper here https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/362164173409?chn=ps&dispctrl=1&adgroupid=46781198765&rlsatarget=pla-378868097987&abcId=1129946&adtype=pla&merchantid=114892386&poi=&googleloc=1006476&device=c&campaignid=974199509&crdt=0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on November 26, 2017, 04:44:47 PM
I'm using the stock bottom bushing and a bones bottom bushing with the flat washer on top (roadside).  Fits/Works good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nallid on November 26, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
If you loosen your sit a half a turn from stock you won't need to fuck with the bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 29, 2017, 03:38:27 PM
Been thinking about trying out aces for a while now. I'm currently having my semi annual truck/board size crisis and have been thinking about stepping back down to a 8 from an 8.25. I usually rock the indy aftermarket super soft bushings in any truck I ride. Anyone ever put them in aces? Also, anyone currently riding the 33s? I feel like i mostly see the 44s and up on here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 29, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
Been thinking about trying out aces for a while now. I'm currently having my semi annual truck/board size crisis and have been thinking about stepping back down to a 8 from an 8.25. I usually rock the indy aftermarket super soft bushings in any truck I ride. Anyone ever put them in aces? Also, anyone currently riding the 33s? I feel like i mostly see the 44s and up on here.

A few people I know skate the 33s on 7.75 or 8 inch boards but they're not gear nerds so don't have much of an opinion. 44s would work much better for 8.25 anyway. If you like the super soft bushings you might wanna get krux bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 29, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Are the separate krux bushings different from the ones that come stock with their trucks? I tried running krux this time last year and couldn't get those things to break in for the life of me, way too hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 29, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Are the separate krux bushings different from the ones that come stock with their trucks? I tried running krux this time last year and couldn't get those things to break in for the life of me, way too hard.

I think the krux bushings most people put in aces are these:
https://www.tactics.com/krux/worlds-best-cushions/white-medium
I can't say for sure with krux but aftermarket bushings are generally of higher quality than stock given my experience with indy and thunder ones. And these krux ones are definitely softer than the stock ace bushings, by a lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 29, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
I think they're the same that come stock in Krux. However, they behave very differently in Aces. Don't judge them on how they perform in Krux trucks as silly as that sounds... If you like it loose to just before the point of rattle, Krux in Aces is a winning combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 30, 2017, 05:00:53 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys

You can for sure, that's the beauty of trucks being able to turn, you don't need them wobbly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 30, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys

On the other hand, no matter how much you tighten aces, they will still turn. Really underrated truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on December 03, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Replacement hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2017, 06:14:59 AM
Has anyone skated the low Ace 03’s? How do they turn/grind compared to the hi’s? Looks like the kingpin is longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on December 04, 2017, 08:18:10 AM
I had the Ace 03 Lows and didn't care for them. The kingpin is pretty tall and doesn't have much clearance. The lowered height doesn't seem to jive with the geometry and turning radius of the truck. I experienced a fair amount of wheelbite using both Bones Mediums and the Ace stock bushings.

I would say go with the standard height 33's

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 04, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on December 04, 2017, 10:02:22 PM
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.

Skate Warehouse has them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on December 05, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Just an update for anyone that cares: Ace has now eliminated the curved hanger and they are straight just like every truck out there. The 3/8” axle nuts are no longer included on the trucks, either. They’re back to regular nylock axle nuts.

I've heard about this too.  They have changed manufacturers all together and are using a different metal.  It looks stronger, but I've just seen them and have yet to test it out.  The hangers are straighter and yeah they got rid of the 3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.  I heard they have also improved the stock bushings as well.  Can't wait to try it out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 05, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
Just make some Grind King style kingpins and call it a day...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 05, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
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they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.
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Skate Warehouse has them.
thanks for that,  I heard the new ones are stronger and am scared the skate warehouse ones are the old ones.  If ace don't have new ones I might oreder the skate warehouse ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 05, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.

For the record, i've been riding trucks with these since march and not a once have they come off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on December 05, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
I have the newer version of Ace 44, got them from SoCal skate shop. They are indeed flat and have a new flitter type silver color. They also seem heavier than before, I put them on my crude kitchen scale and they were dead on the same weight as my nearly new Indy 149
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on December 05, 2017, 10:21:50 PM
Has anyone skated the low Ace 03’s? How do they turn/grind compared to the hi’s? Looks like the kingpin is longer.

They’re meh, they’re like a tighter less bulk feeling Indy low.

The only thing I really liked about them was the way the baseplate locked in for slides cause I guess how the ace geo pushes the hangar in and reduces the wb too, but low and pushed in wheel base was a bad combo

Didn’t feel good, as the other guy said stick to the 33 cause the ace geo doesn’t mix with low center of gravity
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 06, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Just adding on here but fuck the 38 specials. I was on a mellow downhill and i see my nut fly off and 2 seconds later my wheel flys off and i barely missed eating pavement.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on December 06, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
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3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.
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For the record, i've been riding trucks with these since march and not a once have they come off
I've had good luck with mine, too. Replaced the axle nuts in a few setups to these and none of them have fallen off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 06, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Just adding on here but fuck the 38 specials. I was on a mellow downhill and i see my nut fly off and 2 seconds later my wheel flys off and i barely missed eating pavement.

Same here. Threw my board down on the street, nut fell off, wheel fell off, faceplanted and almost got run over by the bus behind me. Thought it was really cool but not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on December 06, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 06, 2017, 02:31:55 PM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them

Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Last set picked up I swapped the special nuts off first thing...can't see how anyone thought it was a good idea...puts some nylon in them bitches...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 06, 2017, 06:05:49 PM
Although I did state Ace said they now make the hangers straight, I did happen to check out a set of the new forest green ones. They have regular nylock nuts on the axles, but still had the ever so slightly curved “rocker” in the hanger. Just as much as a set of ones that came stock with the .38 specials. So it seems again, you have to take everything Ace claims with a grain of salt.

I’ve yet to have any problems with bending or axle slip, from their old design to the new ones. Curved hanger or not, they both work fine. They just need to focus on a stricter quality control, with hangers and axles coming out even. Especially making sure the axle facings aren’t all wavey, deformed looking, and oval-like. If you pay attention you’ll notice some sets look sloppy at the shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on December 07, 2017, 12:47:37 AM
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Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them
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Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work
Nah there's a little axle sticking out on all of them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on December 08, 2017, 12:45:55 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on December 08, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
They are indeed 8.875
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on December 08, 2017, 05:42:49 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!

I made the switch, flip tricks for sure feel different and take some getting used to even on the same deck, it really switches up the wheelbase. Aces are stable for sure, but turn easily and it's a much deeper turn, so it's a different sensation from Thunders. I think you'll be stoked on the switch though, plus you get to show everyone at the park how cool you are by skating the widest and loosest trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on December 09, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
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I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
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I made the switch, flip tricks for sure feel different and take some getting used to even on the same deck, it really switches up the wheelbase. Aces are stable for sure, but turn easily and it's a much deeper turn, so it's a different sensation from Thunders. I think you'll be stoked on the switch though, plus you get to show everyone at the park how cool you are by skating the widest and loosest trucks.

I'm very interested in look cool at the park, definitely I'm getting them, thanks for the answers pals! 🙌
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 09, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
Loose kingpin again... on my 55s... Not sure it matters to me but it might to you....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 13, 2017, 07:09:49 AM
I never noticed when I saw the new ones in the flesh, but now that I’m seeing a bunch of photos of the newly released Ace’s, they kinda made the hanger look a bit like a Theeve now, which I’m not sure if I like because Ace always had a distinct look and shape. The 33’s also have a wider “V” stemming from the pivot up to the hanger, for anyone that cares who nerds out on stupid crap like me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 13, 2017, 07:12:32 AM
I never noticed when I saw the new ones in the flesh, but now that I’m seeing a bunch of photos of the newly released Ace’s, they kinda made the hanger look a bit like a Theeve now, which I’m not sure if I like because Ace always had a distinct look and shape. The 33’s also have a wider “V” stemming from the pivot up to the hanger, for anyone that cares who nerds out on stupid crap like me.

Yeah, the wider V was for better reinforcement (bending).  I guess the TiH theeves still use that slim design due to the metal used.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 14, 2017, 11:24:25 AM
https://www.acetrucks.com/ (https://www.acetrucks.com/)
"Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat-treated 3056 series steel axles."

Is this the same metal they've always used?

I'm not expert but isn't this better quality than Indy's aluminum?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 15, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
Saw this guy on the threads a while ago and he showed up on the related videos and I figured why not post it here
P.S. He's on to us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWp3VJn7tE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nopes on December 16, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
He has posted on the photo forum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 17, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
Thanks for the post LRFC! Didn’t even know they had their website up and running...finally. So they’re 52mm tall??? Always thought they were at 53mm? Seems like after all this time they’re really striving to get their shit together and it’s nice they’ve come out with actual info on their metal quality and specifications.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 17, 2017, 02:16:15 PM
Thanks for the post LRFC! Didn’t even know they had their website up and running...finally. So they’re 52mm tall??? Always thought they were at 53mm? Seems like after all this time they’re really striving to get their shit together and it’s nice they’ve come out with actual info on their metal quality and specifications.

Probably cause they realized a lot of people love the way aces ride, but they were kinda shit for quality/consistency for a while.

Even though they're my third choice behind thunder and indy, I still keep my curved hanger-44's on an 8.0. I'll keep riding them now and then for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 17, 2017, 02:20:51 PM
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 17, 2017, 02:33:00 PM
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.

It's the geometry methinks. They just hit a sweet spot! It's not my preferential spot, but I can appreciate it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2017, 09:14:55 AM
I wonder what the new 'classic' tagline means...

52mm?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on December 18, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
I wonder what the new 'classic' tagline means...

52mm?

No clue on actual height, but probably just marketing.  I like the height where it is though. I'd love to see them come out with different aftermarket bushing durometers.  I'm a tall lanky thing and the stock bushings were right where I wanted them for 2 or 3 weeks after the initial break in and then got a bit squishy.  I think running 44's on an 8.5 didn't help though.  On the Quasi 8.5 shape they were close to perfect because of the taper, but after winter this year I'll definitely be looking to size down a hair to fit the trucks better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 20, 2017, 12:07:57 AM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on December 20, 2017, 09:42:14 PM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 21, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
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Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
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the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho

Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 21, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
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Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
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the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho
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Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...

If it's too loose or squirrelly for your liking, the bones medium are a nice alternative that still maintains the excellent turn without being thaaaat loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2017, 03:02:00 PM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 22, 2017, 01:09:44 AM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."

If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on December 22, 2017, 07:57:51 AM
Has anyone tried the new design yet to compare/contrast to the older design? I rode an older model 33 and they were great but the axle nuts kept loosening and popping off, causing me to slam and then search for the lock nuts, so I traded them in for Indys. The Indys are great but feel so tight and un-flowy now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 22, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Weird, I never had axle nut issues on any model.or stage.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 22, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Has anyone tried the new design yet to compare/contrast to the older design? I rode an older model 33 and they were great but the axle nuts kept loosening and popping off, causing me to slam and then search for the lock nuts, so I traded them in for Indys. The Indys are great but feel so tight and un-flowy now.

Those axle nuts are the 38 specials and they're fucking garbage. Just switch out the nuts and you'll be good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 22, 2017, 11:02:00 PM
Sorry if I’ve already asked this question, but since I’ve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Ace’s from slappies, does anyone who’s used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on December 22, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
Sorry if I’ve already asked this question, but since I’ve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Ace’s from slappies, does anyone who’s used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
mag plates will break easier.  one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vancanman on December 22, 2017, 11:51:21 PM
Saw this guy on the threads a while ago and he showed up on the related videos and I figured why not post it here
P.S. He's on to us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWp3VJn7tE

Fun fact. This is ted degros brother.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on December 23, 2017, 04:07:37 PM
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Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
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the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho
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Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
Krux are nice right off the bat but the stock bushings are amazing once you break them in. They just take forever to break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
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Sorry if I’ve already asked this question, but since I’ve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Ace’s from slappies, does anyone who’s used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
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mag plates will break easier.  one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transit

Dang! That’s a bummer. Wish they’d make a forged plate already...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on December 24, 2017, 05:40:36 AM
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I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."
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If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.

For some reason I like that they only have the real boy shit and that's what you have to ride, no hollow light shiny zumiez kid gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 25, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
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I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."
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If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.
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For some reason I like that they only have the real boy shit and that's what you have to ride, no hollow light shiny zumiez kid gear.

That extra weight savings tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 25, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
I got some Krux Downlow allenhead kingpins and the white 92a bushings. I did both set, 44's and 55's. The bushings came with pivot cups, which Ive already had replaced the 44's twice now. They were a little tall, so I took a razor and trimmed them flush. JB welded the kingpin nut in the baseplate and let sit overnight. IT had just enough bite to get the trucks back together without having to shave the bushings. I did add a bit of loc-tite to the threads just for a bit of assurance. Skated the next day. Still loose, but way more stable and my front truck isnt flopping around anymore. Hope I'll get a bit more life outta these trucks. Pool coping blasted through the knuckles and Smiths lock in without that crazy nut scrape. Ledge and curb tricks felt the same too. The 55's came out great too, but I really dont skate that set up much, so I need to break them in a bit better.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 29, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Just got some new 44s. Can confirm they now come with softer stock bushings. Not tried yet but these might save the aftermarket Krux dilemma...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Just Giver on December 30, 2017, 08:12:44 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 30, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Just Giver on December 30, 2017, 09:51:48 AM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 30, 2017, 09:55:55 AM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 30, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
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I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
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I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 30, 2017, 07:46:37 PM
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I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
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I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
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I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...

Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 31, 2017, 08:27:59 AM
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I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
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I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
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I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
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Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 31, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
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I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
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I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
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I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
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Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
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The whole process was just an evening in the garage with a few beers. Pretty easy. I think the trucks are pretty much the same as before, but way more stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on January 04, 2018, 03:55:39 AM
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I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
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I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
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I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
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Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
I'f you're fitting to get wild get the riptide pivot cups. They are fucking orgasmic. I've got them in my 44's and 66's. They make turns so much more buttery I was seriously surprised. But I've also trimmed down the kruk pivot cups by sanding them down on some grip of an old board and it took fucking forever, but they were still pretty good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2018, 05:02:33 AM
Krux pivot cup were soft enough but too tight for Aces in my opinion.
I skated them a few weeks but got back to stock Ace pivot cup.

I like wobbling trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 04, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 04, 2018, 08:47:45 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
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I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on January 05, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
Latest stock bushings are even better. No more need for Krux aftermarkets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 05, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
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I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
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I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!

I find them much to hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: animalflesh on January 07, 2018, 03:49:45 PM
Shortys bushings are a little too short for ACE trucks which makes for a really good wiggle + you can choose whichever duro suits you.

I ride red on the back yellow up front
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 07, 2018, 04:22:39 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
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I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
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I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
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I find them much to hard.

If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 07, 2018, 06:59:42 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
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I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
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I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
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I find them much to hard.
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If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175

I hover about around 180 but I like my trucks looseygoosey.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 07, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
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So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
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Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
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I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
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I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
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I find them much to hard.
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If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175
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I hover about around 180 but I like my trucks looseygoosey.

Ahh that's probably it, I'm a medium-tight guy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on January 08, 2018, 09:19:31 AM
Its probably b/c the new stock bushings are also a lot softer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on January 12, 2018, 12:46:28 AM
Can confirm that the new ACE's come with softer bushings, they feel really nice I'm probably going to stick with these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on January 12, 2018, 07:31:42 AM
Not that I shop at CCS, I usually look for shoe sales, but  for shits and giggles, I looked up the Aces they have listed. Looks like there is a new dimple next to the number stamps on the hangers close to the axle. Are these the "New" ones?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
The dimple is most likely just a random tiny cosmetic dent that all trucks have on them somewhere. You can tell the new ones by just looking at the V stemming from the pivot. Is has a different look to it now, almost looks like a theeve.

Side note: I have a set of old design slim Ace 44’s brand new if anyone wants them. $35 shipped USA only.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on January 14, 2018, 11:19:44 AM
You can tell the new ones by just looking at the V stemming from the pivot. Is has a different look to it now, almost looks like a theeve.


Yeah I thought I noticed something different about the V, it's definitely feels thicker to the touch compared to the old ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
On a whim I picked up some 90A Thunder bushings (the clear gold ones) to throw in my 44s (coupled with riptide cups) and I'm blown away how good they feel, especially not being fan of thunder bushings IN thunder trucks as they always feel too tight stock and I can't loosen them enough without the nut falling off.

The thunder bottom bushing is the same height as stock ACE bottoms which is pretty tall to begin with. Top is much shorter so with the krux pin = lots of clearance.

Prior, I was using bones meds/riptides and it just felt off somehow, like they would tip into the turn vs flow into it, but they were more responsive this way than using the Mini logo bushings; and I doubt the 1-2 mm height difference in bottom bushings would affect geo that much, let alone the 2 duro difference betwixt the bones (91) and thunders (90).

Felt broken in from the start given how turny the truck are, super smooth and not squirrley or tippy feeling. Worth a shot if you have them kicking around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baravettski on January 29, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
I got some ace 44s and have shaved down stock Thunder top bushings (blue ones) and the bottoms and pivots are stock Ace. I had them on a hood cruiser with some keyframes but then put em on a normal setup and I've been digging it. They are pretty damn loose though so I've been tightening em about 1/8th of a turn a time then skating for a while to see how I like it. Digging em so far...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 29, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 30, 2018, 04:06:04 AM
I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 30, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
How are ace's out of the box, specifically the 44's? I've had my thunders for three years now and whilst I really like them and the groove i've worn into them at this point they're just a headache; snapped a kingpin, replaced it but it's never really sat right in the hole causing the back truck to occasionally freak the fuck out and wobble, mounting holes are fairly worn out too. bought one of the rebuild kits in the hope it'd sort it out but the back ends still dodgy so I just want some trucks I can slap on and not have to worry about.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ace-44s-raw-skateboard-truck-5-75-p6473
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ungzilla on January 30, 2018, 08:20:07 AM
it sounds like what you actually want is trucks that somehow last forever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 30, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
hahaha naw it's just in the years i've had thunders while they're good when they're good i've always just had issues with bushings and it's lame having to constantly having to adjust your shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
How are ace's out of the box, specifically the 44's? I've had my thunders for three years now and whilst I really like them and the groove i've worn into them at this point they're just a headache; snapped a kingpin, replaced it but it's never really sat right in the hole causing the back truck to occasionally freak the fuck out and wobble, mounting holes are fairly worn out too. bought one of the rebuild kits in the hope it'd sort it out but the back ends still dodgy so I just want some trucks I can slap on and not have to worry about.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ace-44s-raw-skateboard-truck-5-75-p6473

They're awesome but night and day compared to Thunders, while they are more responsive they actually turn instead sharply lean.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 30, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
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I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
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http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.

Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 30, 2018, 10:13:02 AM
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I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
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http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
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Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.

Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on January 31, 2018, 03:18:59 PM
Ace heading to Ermico?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: micky682 on January 31, 2018, 05:50:13 PM
Ace heading to Ermico?
if they do then they’d be better trucks then Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
The new [correct] size chart?

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27072324_10156053659945912_7271568453773247011_n.jpg?oh=0192eb8b3db5549377df7b9ceb40e6ff&oe=5AD9BF1B)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 01, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
44's are such a perfect, but awkward width.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on February 01, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 01, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"

I didn't even think of that. Me and Ace are regular.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 01, 2018, 01:35:53 PM
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I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
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http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
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Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.
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Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/

I contacted him and he’s a super nice guy, great customer service. However, after shipping it’s $50 in USD here which is the price of a brand new pair of trucks. Not worth it for baseplates I’ll most likely break.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on February 01, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
Just got some of the newer 44's, the texture on these is bad boys is wild.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on February 01, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
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I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
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http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
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Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.
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Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/
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I contacted him and he’s a super nice guy, great customer service. However, after shipping it’s $50 in USD here which is the price of a brand new pair of trucks. Not worth it for baseplates I’ll most likely break.

That’s a bummer. I can’t remember what I ended up paying for mine but I justified it with my broken leg and inability to skate back then and that I needed all the help I can get when coming back from the injury. I don’t even know if I notice any difference to normal plates but it doesn’t really matter. I like my setup and in the end that’s all that counts. 😊
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/files/2013/03/math.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 07, 2018, 06:10:44 PM
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on February 07, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?

Might be someone elses board? I also noticed AA skating some aces in hockey ii but pretty sure hes also on indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 07, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
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Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?
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Might be someone elses board? I also noticed AA skating some aces in hockey ii but pretty sure hes also on indy.

I think Allen has been running ACE for a while, i didnt know delatorre was on the team though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on February 07, 2018, 08:08:38 PM
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but Ace has officially cut ties with Diamond Supply Co.
They are on their own, doing their own distribution.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on February 07, 2018, 09:59:54 PM
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 08, 2018, 01:01:27 AM
Daan has been skating Ace’s consistently in recent months and hasn’t gone back to Indy. AA was on them but looks like he went back to Indy. Those purple coping eaters are cool for putting on a shelf but I don’t know how people skate those things. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 27, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on February 27, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
those look like a rejected krux colorway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
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Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
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those look like a rejected krux colorway.

Impossible, all Krux are rejected colorways...I mean who the fuck thinks hot dog trucks would sell?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 28, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Haha, yeah skating colored trucks would make me feel like I was a toddler. Skating those...yeesh. Although I will say Ace is the only company making a copper colorway truck. I kinda dig it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on February 28, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
I had gray krux once and they looked pretty rad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Haha, yeah skating colored trucks would make me feel like I was a toddler. Skating those...yeesh. Although I will say Ace is the only company making a copper colorway truck. I kinda dig it.

The copper is fucking badass, always wanted to cop a pair of those.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on February 28, 2018, 08:44:52 PM
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
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I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
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Yes. The ace cups will blow out, it's just their nature.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 02, 2018, 10:16:02 AM
Never had that happen on the 3 sets I have had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on March 02, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 02, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.

Khiro pivots don’t fit Ace’s properly. I know they’re expensive but get Riptide’s Ace pivots. Those with whatever your favorite bushings are in your Ace’s turn them into the greatest truck you will ever experience. I keep stock Ace bottom’s and a shorter top like a Krux or Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 02, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
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I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.
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Khiro pivots don’t fit Ace’s properly. I know they’re expensive but get Riptide’s Ace pivots. Those with whatever your favorite bushings are in your Ace’s turn them into the greatest truck you will ever experience. I keep stock Ace bottom’s and a shorter top like a Krux or Indy.

^This. Stock bottom and red indy top bushing is fantastic in my ace 55s right now, insanely sharp/quick turns. I've done stock, bones medium, bones hards, kruxs and this is currently my favourite, with the bones mediums being a close second. I got the khiro pivots and cut them down a bit and they seem to be great, never actually had any problems with stock pivots though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on March 04, 2018, 09:01:22 PM
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on March 04, 2018, 09:17:19 PM
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?

The bottom where they connect to the baseplate is wider and they are straight on the edge where the wheels are, if they are rounded they are the old ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goathead on March 05, 2018, 07:01:26 AM
I just bought a Primewood Dune Monster shape board (9.38 x 31.75) and been thinking about trying some Aces for it. Do you think the 55s would be enough with some wide wheels?

Been riding Indys for ten years and the change is scaring me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on March 05, 2018, 07:20:21 AM
I just bought a Primewood Dune Monster shape board (9.38 x 31.75) and been thinking about trying some Aces for it. Do you think the 55s would be enough with some wide wheels?

Been riding Indys for ten years and the change is scaring me

I think you’d be totally fine with 55’s there. I also recently started riding Aces after only riding indy’s pretty forever and it’s a welcome change. Enjoy them!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on March 09, 2018, 12:31:12 AM
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how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?
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The bottom where they connect to the baseplate is wider and they are straight on the edge where the wheels are, if they are rounded they are the old ones

Anyone have a picture ?
I ordered some Ace 44 from SoCal on December 6th.
Do you guys think they are stage 2 ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DBAG999 on March 16, 2018, 03:55:41 PM
I just put in the krux downlow kingpin with some riptide pivot cups and the soft thunder bushings and I’ve gotta say it feels really nice. Stable in the center but still carvy with a really quick turn.

Was riding stock pivot/kingpin with bones mediums for years before that and having switched I now see that the shortness of the bones bottom bushing definitely fucked with the geometry. Felt like there was no real stable center with that setup and felt more like you tipped into turns. Not to mention I’d have to change pivot cups every 6 months.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 17, 2018, 07:53:00 AM
That's some nice info. Good to see Ace stepping up their game. I'm riding some old generation of 44s currently and I like them the best of all trucks I've tried. Gonna stick with Aces for the foreseeable future. Got two pairs to go through and they'll likely last me years, so who knows when I'll get to try the new versions.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 17, 2018, 10:47:54 AM
Here's some info about their updates:

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-4.jpg)

https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/


I've only had their second run of trucks (the ones where they only beefed up the wings). It'll be interesting to see how these go.

Wow now that’s how you market your products that have been redesigned/enhanced for the customers and consumers!! Now I’m glad I bought a set to support them

They really did step it up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 17, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
Conical hanger ends are such a good idea. These new Aces are phenomenal. Maybe one day a size betweens 44s and 55s? And an inverted kingpin option? But really Ace are hard to beat as is at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 19, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
If I get my first pair of Aces should I immediately switch to the krux inverted kingpin or go stock? I skate in the medium to tight spectrum.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 19, 2018, 12:47:55 PM
If I get my first pair of Aces should I immediately switch to the krux inverted kingpin or go stock? I skate in the medium to tight spectrum.

the problem with the krux kingpin is that the nut doesn't seat tightly in the base of the truck, so to tighten you gotta remove the trucks from your deck to adjust.

Stock Ace shit isn't bad by any means, and actually quite great when broken in. If you go medium to tight Ace might be a little too loose a truck for you, but I definitely recommend giving them a fair shake.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 19, 2018, 01:13:39 PM
I actually think Aces for medium tight work quite well when broken in. Only do the krux kingpin mod if you either need clearance or want to shave off as much weight as you can.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 19, 2018, 06:36:37 PM
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2’s are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 19, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 19, 2018, 08:21:00 PM
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2’s are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 19, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
are Ace the only ones doing different duro top and bottom bushings as stock?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2018, 08:39:38 PM
Call me crazy, but foft bottoms and hard tops?...it's usually the opposite...bottoms are how you get your stability, a softer bottom will also compress faster causing more wheelbite and harder tops cripple your ability to turn...I've tried it with bones, and soft tops and harder bottoms seems to be the way to go...i'll have to try it out with a new set of aces someday and leave them stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2018, 08:44:14 PM
are Ace the only ones doing different duro top and bottom bushings as stock?

Yeah, that I know of, and they've been doing it forever too but it used to be much smaller of a duro difference, more like 94/92.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on March 19, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
I know I can buy riser pads but they're kind of short. Does this effect any of you street guys who ride them kind of loose with about 54mm wheels? Also, they look beautiful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 19, 2018, 09:06:32 PM
Damn I don't need trucks but those looks great.  I wish they'd fix the type on their site and some of their gear. "Ace trucks MFG" just doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 19, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
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Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2’s are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?
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Yes.

Yeah out the gate they’re pretty turny, they’re not as smooth as the original soft ace bushings and feel kinda like thunder bushings but they work.

I freaking love these ace classics, took some getting use to but damn they are home

They remind me so much of my 7.8 decks days with the old krux 3.5 downlows, they just work and feel so good and broken in
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 20, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.

I was on the stock stage 2 aces then decided to give that exact venture hi super soft combo out and the aces have a way sharper and deeper carve.  The ace shortened WB on 14.38 - 14.5 WB boards feel very similar to a venture hi on a 14 - 14.12. That sweet spot with aces on a 14.25 is hard to beat.

The new pivot cups don't hold up as well as the Khiro replacements. Baseplate mounting holes oval out quick too. Tried all the bushing combos including some Khiro and venom combos and the new stock ace bushings are the best so far. Going to try and take it further and replicate the odd 86a bottom and 91a top combo with other mismatched replacements. Also has anyone tried conical bottom bushings on aces??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 20, 2018, 09:14:03 AM
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God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.
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I was on the stock stage 2 aces then decided to give that exact venture hi super soft combo out and the aces have a way sharper and deeper carve.  The ace shortened WB on 14.38 - 14.5 WB boards feel very similar to a venture hi on a 14 - 14.12. That sweet spot with aces on a 14.25 is hard to beat.

The new pivot cups don't hold up as well as the Khiro replacements. Baseplate mounting holes oval out quick too. Tried all the bushing combos including some Khiro and venom combos and the new stock ace bushings are the best so far. Going to try and take it further and replicate the odd 86a bottom and 91a top combo with other mismatched replacements. Also has anyone tried conical bottom bushings on aces??

You Stage II mounting holes stretched out? Bummer.

I've only ridden conicals in my ACEs as everytime I go back to stock or krux they feel sluggish to me...but I'm a kook, I need squirrly feeling trucks or I can't get my balance :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 21, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
For conicals I’ve done Indy hard 94A’s and Bones Hards with washers on bottom and top. Indy’s were the best however I still got a lot of wheelbite. Love Ace’s but I think they’re pretty close to Thunder in terms of wheelbite issues. I have to keep the stock Ace bottom and use a shorter aftermarket bushing on top like Krux or Indy or else the turn results in pretty extreme wheelbite. I realize this could most likely be due to me being a bigger dude but still...they’re only 52mm tall after all. And I hate risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 08:36:23 PM
Would indy after markets fit well in the new aces?

Idk how much I’ll like the stock but Incase I decide i wanna swap to have a setup more of the same Duro than a mis match like I’ve always been use to would the Indy’s fit perfect or ima have to tighten it up a few threads?

The 86a part isn’t my total craze with the 91a for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 21, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 10:19:29 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.

It’s funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if it’s tight it’s tight if it’s loose it’s loose not, it’s loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know that’s what would be best but I’m not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 21, 2018, 10:45:06 PM
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I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.
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It’s funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if it’s tight it’s tight if it’s loose it’s loose not, it’s loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know that’s what would be best but I’m not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149’s

Are the dohdoh barrels the same size as the stock aces? How were the 92s? I've had the Indy 92 blue replacements and the bottoms were shy from stock size, wondering if the dohdohs are a go.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
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I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.
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It’s funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if it’s tight it’s tight if it’s loose it’s loose not, it’s loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know that’s what would be best but I’m not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149’s
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Are the dohdoh barrels the same size as the stock aces? How were the 92s? I've had the Indy 92 blue replacements and the bottoms were shy from stock size, wondering if the dohdohs are a go.

The doh doh sadly aren’t the same size cause ace top bushing is kinda taller than standards but doh’s fit better than Indy in ace, the top/small doh doh bushing has the extruded lip that touches the hangar like the top bushings from mini logos which I think helps with stability

The 92a doh doh in my opinion feel better than the Indy, the doh doh feel more responsive and a tiny softer but way more stable. They feel like if you tried to make stock indy bushings to feel like a thunder bushing, it has the carve softness but the response and shift to center feel like a thunder bushing. Sad though cause I think they get worn easily like bones mediums in certain setups, cause my front truck doh dohs are a tiny shredded from just a week of use but I’m still gonna use them until they’re done and just have a back up for now

To wrap it up, I like them and would recommend the doh doh orange 92a mediums to anyone who likes a good medium feel, not medium soft or medium hard but a legit medium

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 21, 2018, 11:13:17 PM
So, can you run them with the Doh Doh barrel bottom?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 11:29:21 PM
So, can you run them with the Doh Doh barrel bottom?

I’d say yes pretty much perfect cause the barrel bottom are the same size and mine fit perfect, just as I mentioned the ace tops are taller than the typical top bushing from any other brand so your gonna have to tighten only about an extra thread compare to stock ace

With the Indy after market though I had to go like 2/2.5 threads extra compared to stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 22, 2018, 03:34:27 AM
Dunno if the new Ace bushings differ from the old ones but at least with the old ones you gotta break them in. I bought two sets of used Aces here a while back and they didn’t come with the stock bushings so I bought some replacements. The other set I broke in after trying to fuck with all sorts of different bushing set ups and ended up absolutely loving them. Then at some point I set up the other set exactly the same and went to skate with those and I absolutely fucking hated it. Had to compare them side by side and the difference was astonishing. The broken in set felt amazing but the new set felt like fucking Ventures with rock hard bushings compared to the broken in set. I powered through and broke the other set in also and now they’re both lovely.

Just saying. Break those fuckers in and they’ll be completely different (and much better, IMO at least).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Marsellus Wallace on March 22, 2018, 04:07:27 AM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on March 22, 2018, 05:14:53 PM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?

I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Marsellus Wallace on March 23, 2018, 09:07:45 AM
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quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
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I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.

I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and I´d like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything that´s better for the Krux´s geometry.
Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on March 23, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Man, I found the Krux bushings to be too soft for me.  I put the stock ones back in after that and just let them break in.  It took a bit longer than Indy or Thunder, but they're pretty good when broken in.  The Krux were too squirelly for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 23, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
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quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
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I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.
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I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and I´d like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything that´s better for the Krux´s geometry.
Any recommendations?

New Ace bushings are softer. Good from the get go and get better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 23, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
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quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
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I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.
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I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and I´d like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything that´s better for the Krux´s geometry.
Any recommendations?

I found Krux bushings to be very soft, much softer than Bones mediums (which don't fit well in Aces anyway) or the Ace stock ones. Haven't tried all combos, but I can't imagine what bushings would work for you if you think Krux are too hard for Aces.  ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on March 23, 2018, 09:26:07 AM
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 23, 2018, 01:40:55 PM
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on March 23, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
I just started riding a set of 55 stage 3’s. I dig them, but I’ve had to loosen the kingpins till the nylon is almost off the bolt to get them loose enough. Don’t want to mess with the bushings, I’m hoping they get softer when they break in. Should clarify that I like my trucks to be loose enough to pinch on grinds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 23, 2018, 11:57:05 PM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips
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Post by: Deekay on March 24, 2018, 05:44:05 AM
Did they lower the newer aces or have they always been 52mm? I think some sites used to claim 53.5mm height, no?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 24, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips

Tbh I feel very little difference between the lows and their standard height offering.

I mostly skate the lows personally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OldManSkate on March 24, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Anybody successfully warranty their trucks without a receipt? My 44s have a loose kingpin and I don’t have the receipt anymore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 24, 2018, 08:18:52 AM
Anybody successfully warranty their trucks without a receipt? My 44s have a loose kingpin and I don’t have the receipt anymore.

Hammer it out, put some epoxy in there (JB Weld for example) and hammer it back in. Use stock bushings or bushings that are the same size as the stock and it won't get loose ever again. I doubt they'd replace them even if you had a receipt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 24, 2018, 11:38:33 AM
Did they lower the newer aces or have they always been 52mm? I think some sites used to claim 53.5mm height, no?

I’m sure they lowered them cause I had the previous stage and they felt so tippy like Indy’s so I sold them but this new classic stage ace 52mm is perfect for mid tall but not low


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Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips
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Tbh I feel very little difference between the lows and their standard height offering.

I mostly skate the lows personally.

Ahaha yeah just to quell some of the madness I’m gonna plug my 139 indy low and see how they work for me and if things are great I guess I’m gonna try those ace 03, if the low is too low I’m going in on those 33, I kinda like how the new 33 classics look too with the wings

Ahhhh man getting that perfect setup such a hassle when your getting old and can’t keep up with the kids who skate anything
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 24, 2018, 02:48:55 PM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips

I don't think low aces make sense. They're good because of how they turn and having a low version of that compromises its biggest advantage. I find in general aces work well with a longer wheelbase board with a slightly shorter nose and tail. My friend also learnt bigflips on aces haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 24, 2018, 03:06:46 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 26, 2018, 05:35:51 PM
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Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
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I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.

When you start putting together trucks that you won't even be able to recreate in a year or so it's too far.

I finally settled into a "raw cast only, harder/softer bushings" mindset.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 26, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 27, 2018, 03:45:44 PM
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I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
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Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them

Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 27, 2018, 03:54:50 PM
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I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
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Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
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Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)

That's a tempting photo. You planning on keeping the bushings/pivot cups stock?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 27, 2018, 04:25:56 PM
The stock Ace pivot cups are still trash, so I swapped them out with some Khiro softs.

However, the new Ace bushings are a vast improvement over the old ones. The urethane seems of a higher quality with better rebound.

These already feel broken in and comfortable. Kinda like they skipped the awkward new truck phase.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 27, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
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I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
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Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
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Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)

 Nice! Thanks for the post! Last favor, could you compare the hangar/axle length to another 8” truck you have and tell me if the 33 are exactly an 8 or 7.8?

Cause I just got my 03 and turns out even though branded 03/33 as an 8” these are actually 7.8 and I’m wondering are the 33 also 7.8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 27, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
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I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
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Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
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Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
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 Nice! Thanks for the post! Last favor, could you compare the hangar/axle length to another 8” truck you have and tell me if the 33 are exactly an 8 or 7.8?

Cause I just got my 03 and turns out even though branded 03/33 as an 8” these are actually 7.8 and I’m wondering are the 33 also 7.8
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 28, 2018, 08:43:16 AM
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...

Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 28, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)
Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 28, 2018, 11:12:42 AM
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Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
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(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)
Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
Naw I’m just fucking around with everyone’s gear madness dropping misinformation, I pulled that shit out of my ass. I thought it was robs setup with the lock-ins. I am full of shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 28, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...

Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)

Thanks, you saved me some money

I’m kinda iffy about my trucks being too small cause even though it does, I get the feeling I won’t get enough truck to grind on things even though Luan and other size 8 truck riders are ripping
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ciaran on March 30, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Set up a new board and cleaned up the bushings and pivot cups on the trucks while I was at it as they were squealing and creaking like a hoard of banshees with every turn.  Rubbed a little wax to the pivot nipple (?) and the tops (Bones yellow) and bottoms (Ace)of the bushings - st  Everything feels way better since - fast, snappy, true and silent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 01, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
I’ve got a strange curiousity about trying 44’s on an 8” deck. I mean I ride 03’s on 8-8.25” no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 01, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
I’ve got a strange curiousity about trying 44’s on an 8” deck. I mean I ride 03’s on 8-8.25” no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33’s.

That’s what I’ve been rocking, it’s a little hefty but it feels solid

I’m not really into riding my trucks a tad slimmer than 8 cause I’m a kook who can feel the tippy magic carpet with 7.8/7.6 trucks on an 8 ish deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 01, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
Guys......that's kinda gross.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 02, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
Yeah just don't run any washers on the inside and you'll be good. My friend has them on 8.12s and it looks perfectly flush, I doubt an 8 would be much different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on April 04, 2018, 04:37:13 AM
Tried all-stock on the new 44.
The first session was horrible, but now it's perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on April 04, 2018, 05:48:56 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 04, 2018, 06:20:29 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on April 04, 2018, 06:26:59 AM
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Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
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Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 04, 2018, 08:05:28 AM
No real need to change bushings to be perfectly honest. I personally do just because I like a specific durometer, but it’s entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 04, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
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Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
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Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
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Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 04, 2018, 09:47:34 AM
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Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
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Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
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Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose
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Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.

The Ace trucks branded as "Classic" are essentially the same V2 trucks with new bushings.  The bottom bushing is now softer and feels perfectly broken in on the first session. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 05, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
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Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
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Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
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Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

I just swapped from thunders to aces, but aside from the reduced wheelbite there are too many other variables I changed up to be comparing apples with apples (all round 1/4 inch larger setup). They do seem to have a wider turning arc. I kept the bushings stock but had to wind the nuts until the nylon was almost off the kingpin thread before I got them what I would consider loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr.Össler on April 10, 2018, 07:57:39 PM
I did it, Yeah :) After reading the entire 29 pages (starting Nov 2010 ... thanks to formeitscrazylike who started this... till now) for the last 5 days ... I am in ;) I love riding pools and in Austria we don't get ACE Trucks in the shop. I got completely hooked on them :)

Just a short summary for people who don't have the passion or time to read all this: For my 8,75" Board the best would be the new 55 (no 44!?! ... they call them classics?! ...from late 2017?! ... how do I now if they are really the new ones if I by them online?) with pivot cups from riptide (is there a special size which fits best?) or Khiro (small and soft) and bushings from Krux (do I still need the the bushings and pivot cups for the new ACE´s?).

Would give the OJ Plain Jane Keyframe II 87a 54mm a try (are they any good? POWELL PERALTA G-SLIDES 56mm 85A I think they are to wide... like soft wheels, Ricta Clouds 55mm 86A are the shit ... love them ;) )

By the way the question about the new stock bushing set up by ACE ,if it should not the other way around (hard for bottom, soft on top), was never answered? Any news on this one guys?

So I am ready to roll and to order. Thought about ordering it from Tactics. They ship for free in the US and a friend of mine can bring me the stuff in 3 weeks to Austria. Only thing is that Tactics don't have riptide pivot cups. Any other online shop, you guys can recommend, which should have all the stuff in stock?

Thanks a lot and I really enjoyed the discussion ;) To be continued :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 10, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
The hard tops offer fast small adjustment rebound with the carve-surfy like softness of the barrel. It would make sense for the top to be softer. I have the Venom SHR conical street bushings and the bottom cone is the exact length compared to stock barrel, with tops being slightly smaller. Having a flat washer both on top and bottom offer non restrictive, super loose but responsive turn.
Highly suggest the combo. Very close to the new stocks but very different feel.
SoCal skate has venoms stocked too...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 10, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
had a great session on them today.  With the new bushings they're officially my favorite trucks that I've ever skated.  absolute turning bliss
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on April 11, 2018, 12:55:43 AM
The new bushings, while better than the old bushings, don't get loose enough for me even with the kingpin nut finger tight. So I switched back to Krux tops and don't regret it one bit it just feels so right...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
After digging around on the net for discussions on hard bottoms/soft tops and vice versa, my theory crafting and personal experience with mix/matching bushings...I've only come up with:

Soft bottoms w/a hard top:
Soft Bottoms provide a surfy feel (fast compression of the hanger resulting in a quick turn) and harder tops provide a quicker rebound/snap to center.

Soft Bottoms would logically be less stable on center.

Hard bottoms w/a soft top:
Hard bottoms provide a slower compression of the hanger thereby a slower longer turn/carve (more weight/leverage is needed over time) and soft tops equate to slower rebound/snap to center...

Hard Bottoms would logically be more stable on center.

Random shit:

Every soft top below 85a (that wasn't insert style ala Bones or Khiro) paired with a harder bottom I've fucking destroyed with how loose I ride (tho even the 73 white, Red and yellow tops Khiro inserts got mangled in my ACES)..

I need my trucks loose, even on center, loose trucks is how I 'get' to center as odd as that may be (most people can't roll a couple of feet without falling off my ride or getting wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2018, 07:05:16 AM
I just ordered some of the new bushings off the Ace site.  Weather here has been pretty terrible.  In addition to that, I have a pretty big gig backing up a songwriter at a State Theater, so I told myself I wouldn't skate until after that show, which is this Saturday.  Looking forward to checking them out and skating again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Yesterday I threw in some 84a barrels on a flat washer and an 88a top (closest I could get to the ACE duros, and they different urethane so there's that), tried a 90a top and with was too stiff, 88a was much better.

Overall, it was tighter than what I normally ride (been rocking bones softs/85a all around in Theeve and Indy of late), more stable on center and has sort of a smooth looseness too them, tho that just might be the turn rather than the bushings....at 170lbs, the bones softs are super loose, unstable, wheelbite prone and difficult to keep on center for anyone riding my board other than me :)

That said, they were sort of comfy but again, that just might be the feel of ACES vs. the rest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on April 12, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
The new stock bushings seem to help reduce wheelbite also. I've been riding 55mm wheels, no risers and kingpin nut flush with kingpin on a 8.5" board and 44s with no significant wheel bite issues and I'm 200lbs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2018, 09:18:52 PM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 13, 2018, 04:16:24 AM
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If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!
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This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.


Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 13, 2018, 06:35:14 AM
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This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.
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Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden

Good to know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on April 13, 2018, 01:25:35 PM
I did it, Yeah :) ... To be continued :)

Just a heads up - if you don't mind ordering from them, both titus and blue tomato stock ace.

edit: got the new aces and they feel heavier (due to the hanger being thicker) but more solid. And the new stock bushings are amazing! It took me forever to break in the old ones, but the new ones felt good right away and broken in after two days skating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 15, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2018, 04:42:35 PM
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Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...
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I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.

Sure, but they choose bones for a reason, McClain is obvious, as I'm sure they float him some in his monthly box of product.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on April 16, 2018, 04:29:13 AM
Been loving my new Set of 44's & 55's. the bushings are heaven. the truck's pivot cup is much more durable than previous iterations. Normally i'd blow thru the pivot cup within one session. but now it has lasted much longer than that and going thru almost a month and half.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 17, 2018, 03:49:39 PM
Has anyone ordered from Ace's site directly before?  I placed an order 5 days ago and haven't gotten a shipping notification.  Is Nicky Diamonds too busy doing it "for the 'gram" to catch up on orders?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 17, 2018, 05:02:29 PM
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 17, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?

I shot them an email shortly after this post.  No word yet, but I wouldn't have opted for upgraded USPS had I known.  Where I live we had a fucking ice storm over the weekend for 3 days straight and more snow accumulation, so it's not like I'll be able to skate until this weekend at the VERY, very earliest.  Itching to try them and hate shitty customer service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sandboxcop on April 17, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Had a couple of beverages and ordered some Ace 66's for a cruiser I'm setting up. Did I fuck up going for 66's on a 9.25?
I ordered some keyframes too so if they stick out all crazy like I can put them on another skinny cruiser I have
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 17, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 17, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 18, 2018, 11:01:59 AM
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yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
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Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.

Thank you, yea that would probably bother me too much, maybe some day I'll try em out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2018, 11:16:04 AM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 18, 2018, 11:19:13 AM
for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 01:20:35 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 01:58:41 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
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404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!
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  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

You're the fuckin man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 19, 2018, 04:28:22 AM
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 05:15:11 AM
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404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!
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  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again
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You're the fuckin man

Also remember to be careful not to bend the baseplate when hammering. Support it properly so that it rests on the part surrounding the kingpin hole when hammering it back in and not any other part. Aluminum is soft and can bend quite easily. Also good to use a big bolt or an extra kingpin to help you hammer the kingpin back in cuz it goes below the line of the baseplate. And when hammering the kingpin out, keep the bolt on so you won’t fuck up the threads. All in all pretty simple but there are some chances for fucking up if you just start doing and don’t think ahead.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on April 19, 2018, 06:47:37 AM
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones

When I try the liquid lube it works, but then goes back to hella squeaky in a few weeks. I tried auto grease and it's still working great a couple months later. I just wiped a tiny but on with a q-tip and cleaned up any squeeze out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 20, 2018, 10:28:44 AM
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yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
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Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.

Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 22, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2018, 04:07:34 PM
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 23, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
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Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.
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ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.

Haha same here, I agree with that

They have this feel you gotta get use to for flip tricks and response
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Willie on April 23, 2018, 03:10:06 PM
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yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
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Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.
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Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"


Just worth mentioning. Venture Highs and Lows are completely different beasts.

Venture Highs are super turny if a bit too, uh, high. I add this because I'm not really sure where Ventures fit in on the turnability scale. I just know people tell me that Indys turn better than my Ventures and then when I trade my Venture HIGHS for Indys I'm like, "What the fuck?"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 25, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
With the improved bushings, the turn is extremely stable but responsive and quick when you need them to be. I've just bought and broken in a new set of regular 144s with replacement red 88a cylinder.
So far the aces have them beat but I'll ride these out for now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
Just threw in the revised bushings in my ACEs (thanks jamersonbass!) and took them out, my findings:

If you use a Krux pin setup, the top bushing is still VERY tall making it really hard to get the pin in the nut, let alone into the nylon so I have to ride tighter than usual until they break in.

They felt good (but again, tighter than I would like) and as these have only been ridden a few times they still have some breakin time to be done so I can see them feeling really good later on.

If I picked these up on new trucks I'd be pretty pleased and knowing that if I wasn't running Krux pins I'd be able to loosen them just a bit and get some more play. I might just sand down the top washer.

Eventually, I just want to get some new plates as these mag plates are hanging on for dear life with washers and epoxy keeping my mounting holes small enough!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on April 30, 2018, 12:36:08 PM
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 30, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.

Nope. They sent you the old designs. New ones come with regular axle nuts, and brighter white top and bottom bushings. The hanger is also a wider “V” than the previous version. Send them back and get yourself the newer designs from a local shop or SoCal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 02, 2018, 10:43:51 PM
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasn’t fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44’s from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55’s had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasn’t as bad as the 44’s but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing I’ve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 03, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasn’t fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44’s from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55’s had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasn’t as bad as the 44’s but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing I’ve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
I tried to order a set of the new classics to see the differences just two weeks ago, when they came and I mounted them something was off and I couldn’t figure it out, the front truck was not straight and I thought my brand new deck was warped and I got all bummed, switched to my old deck and the same problem, turns out the mounting holes on the baseplate weren’t drilled properly so the truck sat slightly off centre. I could have used my old baseplates I guess but I just returned them. I have however been rocking a set of ace 44 problem free for a year now and I genuinely enjoy them so I can’t say it’s been all bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Yeah, I love Ace trucks and can’t ride anything else, but when you claim to have made improvements, start kicking it up a notch and hyping up your trucks like crazy through marketing and social media, then still have sets with defective hangers and mounting holes, that’s incompetence.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 03, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Yeah forsure. Also the 38 special nuts they introduced them and were vocal about it on social media and then a few months later quietly got rid of them. A bunch of people say they came lose while riding so why are they still selling trucks with them to unsuspecting people? Most 44s I see in shops have them. How did someone engineer those and not foresee the problems of them stripping immediately or coming off because they have no nylock? They have quality control issues but are focusing on gimmicky axle nuts? Its weird if they could just fix that quality control and possibly offer lighter versions of their trucks for people who prioritize that, ace could really take over a significant market share in the truck game.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Yeah they hyped the crap out of those .38 specials. I had some sets with them and noticed I’d have to crank the nut all the way until my wheel couldn’t spin, then loosen it back to normal in order for them to stay on properly. If I just tightened them like normal without going all the way, they’d barely stay on the axle and would have definitely fallen off quickly.

They weren’t the original ones that came up with that idea for the .38 axle nuts. Some dude that passed away, but I forgot his name and they never gave credit to him. You aren’t wrong though, they put regular axle nuts on the axles with these newer ones without admitting the 38’s were a bad idea. They also got rid of the curved hanger which seemed like an innovative idea but turned out to just cause a lot of bending problems.

I honestly don’t care about hollow or titanium axles or kingpins. The truck’s geometry is perfect, they just need to stop blowing it with their QC. That’s the real reason why people hate on Ace and stick with the Indy cult. And I understand, because Indy is the most reliable skateboard truck in the entire world. They had their past of faulty runs and no company is perfect, but Stage 11’s, although a slow turning geometry, still dominates in terms of QC and reliability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 04, 2018, 01:11:32 AM
I switched from Indy to Ace because I had two axle slip defect on my Indy.
I honestly don't see any big difference in term of Quality between Indy and Ace...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 04, 2018, 02:21:32 AM
I’ve said it in this thread before but I’m gonna say it again, I’ve been running 38 specials on my current set of 144s and have never had them vibrate of or strip out, I was bummed when they quietly took them off the market but stocked up on sets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on May 04, 2018, 07:39:15 AM
I've had four sets of Ace now and haven't had  single issue with QC. Bummer for those of you who did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 04, 2018, 07:55:12 AM
I think the problem is that there are a lot of versions floating around out there.

The first run of the V2 (including the 38 specials) had issues.  I personally had to buy 4 sets of 55's just to get two trucks that had the same hanger width and centered axles.

I do think they changed the tooling in the factory for the V2.5 AKA Classics).  I just bought two new pairs of 55's and they're both flawless

If you're ordering some, get them from Skatewarehouse, Socal Skateshop or Ace direct to ensure you're getting the current version. there's a lot of old stock floating around out there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 04, 2018, 08:11:54 AM
I'm going to guess that quality control and dealing with the factories is not easy and trucks are the most complicated out of any skate hardware so I can see how Indy might be more consistent in their quality. Ace will get it dialled in soon. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2018, 10:02:02 AM
I'd imagine now with the switch from Diamond (was that ever confirmed?) they've gone with new partners; clearly they're working on getting their shit straight.

But as BMC mentioned, there is lots of stock out there so be selective. If ordering from SoCal or SW, I'd specify you want the NEW classics as the warehouse dudes might grab you old stock (especially if you order anything other than 44s). Purple coping eaters, Rally Green or Matte Black you can be certain are new stock no matter who you order from but unless I was ordering other shit, I'd buy straight from ACE and not the middle man.

I'm back in (the) black now and want to pick up a new complete and trying to decide on new ACEs (my mag plates are shot but I'm still rocking newish stage II hangers so I'd feel bad but no plates) or taking one for the team and trying the new tensors....;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 04, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
I skated the new designs for the first time today, all day long. 44’s. The new stock bushings are a serious improvement. Even the pivot cups I had ZERO squeak whatsoever and I’m surprised because every truck company, including Ace’s older trucks always squeak like crazy with the crap plastic stock cups they put in there. I didn’t even need to put my Riptide’s in these new Ace’s. Literally I just turned the kingpin looser so the nut was flush and they feel exactly like Krux aftermarkets. I think they noticed how many praised the Krux in them, because they made this new batch with pearly white bushings just like Krux and the durometer is just about the same.

I’m a big dude at around 210lbs and actually was getting some pretty serious wheelbite on these new Ace’s when I kept the rear truck with the nut flush. I had to tighten that one a little more than the front so I wasn’t nearly coming to a halt on my deeper turns. It doesn’t matter though, either way they’re perfect when ran stock, whether you’re light or on the heavy side. Finally a truck company offering quality stock bushings and pivot cups right off the bat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2018, 10:41:55 PM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Also, on their site:

"T-shirt & Trucks ($69.99/up) Free Shipping on U.S. Orders"

Add one set of (raw) trucks and one shirt to the cart and guess what the total is?

$68.99 :P - I'm a fan but that's pretty fucking weak...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goatgruff13 on May 05, 2018, 12:36:05 AM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/htws60.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2j5zaxh.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vcdkq1.jpg)

I already posted this in the setup thread, but I seen this Ace thread and figured I'd post here. I haven't owned a board in like 15 years or so. But a week or two ago the weather was so nice I randomly decided to build myself a cruiser. It feels good to be back skating! Anyways this is my new setup:

RIPNDIP 9.0 Deck - I really dig the shape and it has a 15.75" wheelbase which is nice for my bigass.
Mob Grip Space Out
Ace 55 "Purple Coping Eaters" - Bones Hardcore Bushings Medium Bottoms/Hard Tops, Riptide 96a Pivot Cups
Kryptonics Star Trac 65mm 86a Wheels
Black Panther Ceramic Bearings
1/2" Psycho Shock Risers
Loaded Button Head Allen Hardware

I always rode indys back in my day but one of my buddies told me about Ace and then I read a bunch online and figured I'd give em a shot. I'm really liking them! I'm old and dad bod fat now days (225lbs) so I ended up swapping the bushings because I was just mashing the stock bushings. I thought at first the slop was maybe because I was just so out of practice, but after switching the bushings and messing with the setup and tightness over a week or so it's made a night and day difference for me. Bones medium bottoms and hard tops with the stock Ace washers on top and bottom, and the kingpin nut tightened to where the second thread is just visible. I'm having a blast skating again, and this setup rides and carves so smooth! I'm going to swap out the risers with smaller 1/4" risers and see how that works out with wheelbite tomorrow. The 1/2" risers make the carve nice and I get zero wheelbite, but it's such a pain to ollie lol. But I'm pretty sold on the Aces at this point! I do not regret the purchase whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: micky682 on May 05, 2018, 07:52:11 AM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Also, on their site:

"T-shirt & Trucks ($69.99/up) Free Shipping on U.S. Orders"

Add one set of (raw) trucks and one shirt to the cart and guess what the total is?

$68.99 :P - I'm a fan but that's pretty fucking weak...
I'm pretty sure that picture is from an instagram post of Julien Stranger's trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 08:13:13 AM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D


That's what happens when you skate.  Everyone blows out pivot cups if you're doing it right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seadramon on May 05, 2018, 11:20:14 AM
they sponsor vinnie banh so y'know they good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nate on May 05, 2018, 12:20:17 PM
I found a pair of indy 149 hangers, would they work on an ace baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 05, 2018, 04:22:23 PM

ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Yeah but they also have bones bushings in that pair that he cropped out, so don’t knock their marketing dept too hard man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on May 08, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 09, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
Do you live in Canada? If so I’ll send you some for free. If not just pay the shipping. Dm me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on May 10, 2018, 12:38:37 AM
anyone know if any uk shops have the new shape 33's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 13, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?

Had you read through this thread you would have found that ACEs no longer have a bending issue; just be sure if you buy them that you are getting NEW stock (you can read this thread to help you figure out what that means).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 13, 2018, 11:29:41 AM
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i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?
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Had you read through this thread you would have found that ACEs no longer have a bending issue; just be sure if you buy them that you are getting NEW stock (you can read this thread to help you figure out what that means).

thanks, now i have the motivation to scroll through 31 pages
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2018, 08:00:48 PM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.

Check your inbox
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2018, 08:42:28 PM
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If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
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Check your inbox

Between th two of us we can make some 44s for him ;0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Lol, yeah I forgot I have an extra set of stage 1 44’s that were never mounted or skated. Raw silver. And still all the extra baseplates and the brand new 33’s like we talked about. At this point, I have an Ace tacklebox as well as a gigantic boneyard of all sorts of truck stuff. Still have some used 159 standard Indy’s I’d like to get rid of, brand new standard 149 Thunders, and much much more. Too many slightly used boards from trying different sizes and changing my mind. Total madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on May 23, 2018, 08:57:02 PM
Curious, for those who have run Aces with bones bushings (medium) how do you rate them compared to the new stock bushings? Are you able to run the bones looser than the stocks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 26, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
I have three sets of ace as of right now and a Mag baseplate. I had two older ace 44s with the mag plates. And god they were awesome. Right now I have one set of old 66s and two sets of the newer design in 44 and 55. They feel different it might be psychological but they feel off. Can get the feeling of the older ones back. Could be cause I got fat but still I can't replicate the feeling of before. So I started riding some stage 7 indys which feel fucking good but I get mad wheelbite. They turn awesome though.
Any fat dudes rocking aces? Or just my lonesome fat ass?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 26, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I weigh 95 kg currently  :'( and ride only Aces. Old 44s with and without mag plates on two setups and new 44s and 55s on two cruiser setups. The new Aces don't turn as well as the old ones but I think that's just cuz they're not properly broken in yet. They turn nice but it's not as nice as the old ones which are properly broken in. All of them are stock with the nut flush. It did take me quite long to break in the old Aces too and even though people say that the new ones require no break in, I'm thinking they do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 27, 2018, 12:31:46 AM
I weigh 95 kg currently  :'( and ride only Aces.
Im at 116 kg right now. Lol but i was skating some stage 7 indys that I had around. I also have some Titanium Thunders 149 with the raised baseplate. I used to get wheelbite a lot with older thunders might try these out. But Ill probably go back to the stage 7 indys. Such a shame they are getting harder to find and fucking expensive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 27, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now I’m addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 28, 2018, 05:54:58 AM
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now I’m addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/zjQrmdlR9ZCM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 28, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
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210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now I’m addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/zjQrmdlR9ZCM/giphy.gif)

That guy looked like Feedback Ted for a second...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 28, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
I get the same look as marky mark from everyone I know at the park.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on May 28, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
People like you are why it took me so long to try aces again. Making them shits sound like a rubicks cube to setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 28, 2018, 10:53:42 PM
To each their own. Some people, including myself get bored and/or unsatisfied and like experimenting. I did this over the winter actually, on my Stage 2 Ace’s and really liked it, but once I got these new ones I wanted to see how things would be leaving them stock. Since I weigh more than most on a board, when the new stock bushings really started to break in, leaving them loose and stock actually gave me more wheelbite when I’d lean than when I revisited this crazy ass no top bushing set-up. Like I said, the washers catch it before they hit wheelbite and the hard bottom bushing keeps it more stable than you’d think.

It makes tricks more challenging and requires more muscle strength around your ankles when you’re trying to balance on one foot while pushing. Haven’t bombed a hill yet, I’m sure the speed wobbles might be insane, so that could be the only downside. I suppose I run the risk of loosening the kingpins faster or just straight snapping one, but I’m not gonna sit and worry about it. Like Matt Rodriguez said, “those that feel it, feel it, it’s not for everyone. It’s meant to be enjoyed”.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on May 30, 2018, 03:56:12 PM
Wanna try some 66s but no one I know rides em to nab a few turns.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
Getting trucks from Skate Warehouse. They say 8.25. Are these 44s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 30, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
Getting trucks from Skate Warehouse. They say 8.25. Are these 44s?

Yessir! Even tho they measure 8.35" but that's ACE's fault for labeling them 8.25" waaaaaaay back in the day.

Dude, you missed the memorial day sale, quicken the pace next time brosef!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 30, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
I have to sets of aces im willing to let go for cheaper . 44s brand new silver and 55s in rally green used in one curb session.

I also have my 66's with Mag plates but I love those
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 30, 2018, 11:40:42 PM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on May 31, 2018, 07:04:54 AM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?

you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/€35 inc. postage
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on May 31, 2018, 07:06:41 AM
Any hillbombers here? Or you guys just ride tranny?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 31, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
I may be interested in buying a set of mag plates off someone if they aren’t too beat up. Located in USA. PM me if you do, thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 31, 2018, 11:07:42 AM
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how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?
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you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/€35 inc. postage

Good fucking deal!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 31, 2018, 12:01:23 PM
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how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?
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you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/€35 inc. postage
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Good fucking deal!

Yes! I almost wanna snatch them up, but I've got three sets of 44s already, one with mag plates, so I don't really need more. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 31, 2018, 12:29:23 PM
I may be interested in buying a set of mag plates off someone if they aren’t too beat up. Located in USA. PM me if you do, thanks.

I have an extra set of mag plates that I fucking stripped off the black paint. If you are interested.  Pm me or whatever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 01, 2018, 09:30:39 AM
What did you use to remove it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boxlogo on June 01, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
For some reason I can't pm NootNoot anymore, (whenever I send an error code comes up saying nobody by this user name exists). Anyways big shout out to NootNoot, if you ever find yourself in Squamish ill be at the skatepark downtown and ill have a bunch of beers for you. Thank you for the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on June 01, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
I got my trucks yesterday from Noot, how many people did he buy trucks for? Was Nootnoot Rodney Mullen?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smartass on June 01, 2018, 04:45:49 PM
I got my trucks yesterday from Noot, how many people did he buy trucks for? Was Nootnoot Rodney Mullen?
Damn Noot hooking it up before disappearing... almost like a skate Santa or something...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 01, 2018, 06:02:47 PM
What did you use to remove it?

So long ago. As soon as I got em I stripped em. I used goof off on a sponge and lots of rubbing with said sponge.
 Nothing too strong since I remember my friends old Gullwing Mags fucked up cause he let them sit on fucking strong industrial stripper haha! Shits cracked!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on June 03, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
There's been some big guys (200+) on here of late running Aces so I wanted to offer up Doh Dohs as a worthwhile option to explore. Someone - probably Rob? - mentioned a while back they fit pretty well in Aces, albeit with an extra thread showing due to a slightly shorter top bushing. I've been experimenting with Ace setups (stock, Krux, Bones) and I'm really feeling black (100a) Doh Dohs; even tightened a bit extra there's plenty of turn without the floppiness I (220ish) was getting with Krux bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2018, 09:04:10 AM
There's been some big guys (200+) on here of late running Aces so I wanted to offer up Doh Dohs as a worthwhile option to explore. Someone - probably Rob? - mentioned a while back they fit pretty well in Aces, albeit with an extra thread showing due to a slightly shorter top bushing. I've been experimenting with Ace setups (stock, Krux, Bones) and I'm really feeling black (100a) Doh Dohs; even tightened a bit extra there's plenty of turn without the floppiness I (220ish) was getting with Krux bushings.

Hard MiniLogo bushings are also an option (same height as stock ACEs).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on June 03, 2018, 10:29:49 AM
The Deluxe Supercush bushings in 97 and 99 also fit Ace trucks.  The 94 do not, they are standard Indy height. 

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on June 05, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on June 05, 2018, 04:20:57 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?

Not sure about the first one, I usually just trim risers if need be, easy with soft ones I guess. With the old aces, the top bushing was a bit tall for the krux pin so unless you tried very hard, you had to shave a bit. I think the new ones are the same though I am not certain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 05, 2018, 04:43:17 PM
Dooks risers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 05, 2018, 07:42:42 PM
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Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?
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Not sure about the first one, I usually just trim risers if need be, easy with soft ones I guess. With the old aces, the top bushing was a bit tall for the krux pin so unless you tried very hard, you had to shave a bit. I think the new ones are the same though I am not certain.

If you ride loose (and if you are on ACEs, why wouldn't you be) they are too tall for the Krux pin if you want to be safe in knowing the pin has been secured in the nut's nylon; I'm either going to shave them down, just use the Krux top (92a vs 91a) and ACE bottom...or finally grab some plates / new aces and not fux with the krux anymore.

ACE was willing to float me some new plates under warranty as my mounting holes bloobed out on my magplates but I didn't accept, they're old and been through the ring; it would feel wrong to take new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on June 06, 2018, 12:01:12 AM
Darn nootnoot is gone??

He was cool, I’ve been away cause I got some dues and I gotta work and my mini logos have been good

The doh dohs work better than the Indy aftermarkets in aces in my opinion

Dang you guys are getting me to miss my ace classics

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 06, 2018, 05:58:12 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2018, 06:06:49 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site

Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 06, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
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Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site
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Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?

I'd say they found a box out back somewhere
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2018, 09:18:53 PM
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Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site
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Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?
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I'd say they found a box out back somewhere

I checked with the ACE folks, they were surprised - leftover stock from either diamond or Socal

Silver kingpins for Classic, black kingpins for Low.

Socal is already down 3 sets...get'em while they're hot (and sell them for double on ebay;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on June 06, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
Those mag baseplates should be compatible with the new hangers, yeah?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 07:36:30 AM
Those mag baseplates should be compatible with the new hangers, yeah?

Should?  The only relevant tweak noted on the new stage is an improved bushing seat for less wear on the cups so one has to assume there is a slight difference somewhere?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 07, 2018, 07:50:41 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on June 07, 2018, 08:02:09 AM
I just took off baseplates for a V1 and V3. They're completely identical and only the hangers are the different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.

That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 07, 2018, 09:35:58 AM
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Probably only changed the hangers.
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That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.

I'm gonna grab some just to have some - also, speaking of Theeve, I just got my hands on some used Tihangers - I know the geo's are diff., but I'd still like to see how it feels to have the TiH on the mag plate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
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Probably only changed the hangers.
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That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.
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I'm gonna grab some just to have some - also, speaking of Theeve, I just got my hands on some used Tihangers - I know the geo's are diff., but I'd still like to see how it feels to have the TiH on the mag plate.

It won't be that noticeable enough to throw you off.

I wish Theeve still sold the Ti Kingpins, silly light!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 06:12:13 PM
Some people say weight doesn't matter yet these things flew off the shelf (sold out).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 07, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
It's all placebo effect, but i go in in a big way


I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 08, 2018, 06:22:27 AM
I missed out on the plates. Why can’t they just make them again?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2018, 07:05:56 AM
It's all placebo effect, but i go in in a big way

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I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts
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https://asylumskateshop.com/product/toy-machine-transmissionator-yellow/

I missed out on the plates. Why can’t they just make them again?

No idea, people obviously want them, even the pro/rippers that ride them at my local rock them. Socal sold out lightning fast.

My guess is the hassle in getting them made? Doesn't seem that cost/markup was an issue.

A hollow forged option would be the ticket!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on June 08, 2018, 08:01:01 AM
I was told by Ace that they will not make the mag plates again.  The issue was that too many were getting damages in shipping due to the magnesium being more fragile than aluminum.  Obviously Tensor can ship them with no issues but they also have their own factory
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 11, 2018, 02:14:49 AM
Palomino seems to have some, but damn 30£ for a baseplate...

https://www.thepalomino.com/products/ace-magnesium-baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk8 Prick on June 12, 2018, 07:43:35 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 12, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*

Been off an on ACEs for years now, never had axle slip.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on June 12, 2018, 04:29:43 PM
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
They should harden up after a few sessions. Don’t be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 13, 2018, 02:42:09 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*

I had this on Indys, switched to Aces, had it on my last pair of Aces too.
I guess it just happens, the hanger is molded on the axle, so there's nothing to prevent this...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B. Hopper on June 18, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
Just got my first set of Ace 44s. Looking forward to trying them. Gonna set them up today!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on June 18, 2018, 11:28:44 PM
Just got my first set of Ace 44s. Looking forward to trying them. Gonna set them up today!
You'll love them. Best truck ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on June 19, 2018, 05:31:59 AM
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Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*
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I had this on Indys, switched to Aces, had it on my last pair of Aces too.
I guess it just happens, the hanger is molded on the axle, so there's nothing to prevent this...

Yeah, I don't know how people don't get axel slip eventually... I only skate indys and ace currently, but they all have some level of axel slip. I do a lot of slappies so I'm pretty rough on them but it still can get annoying to constantly keep checking to see that the wheels are spinning freely.

But the axel slip on ace and indy is nothing compared to some ventures I had several years back which would slip constantly. I haven't tried ventures since but I have been curious (aka experiencing acute truck madness).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:41:37 AM
That's why I skated the Theeve tih's for so long.....I've now finally moved back to traditional trucks.  My fingers are crossed....I can fuck with the tap....tap....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2018, 11:22:05 AM
Three speed rings on the inside, one outside, and flip those axle nuts. No axle slip ever again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B. Hopper on June 27, 2018, 10:38:58 PM
My first pair of Ace trucks. So far, I love them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkTotyeFJny/?taken-by=boarderhoppersskatemedia
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on July 14, 2018, 08:08:17 AM
If anyone is selling some Mag plates, holler- I'll buy a set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on July 29, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
I just set up my third set of 44s. My last two sets lasted a year and then the axles slipped. On the first set both axles slipped, and on the second set only one axle slipped.

Is axle slip more likely to happen if you skate trucks that are wider than your board? I skate 44s on 8 and 8.125.

I'd rather set up a new set of Aces every year than have the same old slow turning Indies for a couple of years.

Quality control would be the problem.
I'm skating 44s on 8s and 8.12s and have  had no problems. Probably does help to keep truck sizing equal to or under board width..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on July 30, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Three speed rings on the inside, one outside, and flip those axle nuts. No axle slip ever again.
I've heard of people doing both of those (speed ring trick and flipped axle nuts) before but never knew the purpose. Does this really help axle slip, and if it does, does anyone know how or why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2018, 08:42:48 PM
Been skating since forever and a day, never heard of flipping axle nuts around.

Back when indy and thunder would slip all the time Stage III+ spacers and rings to keep the nuts flush at the tip of the axle and zero play with the wheels was the only way to keep slip at bay. Probably still works.

With ACE'sQC, it's usually impossible to get three rings on each side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on August 02, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
Want to trade Thunder Titanmiums 147 or 149 for Ace 44's. Preferably for the most recent Ace redesign. I have both Forged and Cast hollow kingpin baseplates availabe for the Thunders. Will also consider Hollow Indy 144/149.

My Thunders are skated but have plenty of life left. No blown out bushings or pivot cups, plenty of meat left on the axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on August 07, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
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Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
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They should harden up after a few sessions. Don’t be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.

I found the opposite; even with the kingpin nuts wound all the way out they were too tight at first, but now after a few months they're perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FluFlammer on August 14, 2018, 02:23:20 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on August 14, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.

yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FluFlammer on August 14, 2018, 11:44:53 PM
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yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.

Thank you bro i appreciate it!
My local park is an all tranny park so it wont be an issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on August 15, 2018, 11:32:45 AM
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yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.
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Thank you bro i appreciate it!
My local park is an all tranny park so it wont be an issue

I've been riding 44's on an 8.5 as well. It doesn't bother me that the truck is slightly in. I am riding a board with a tapered tail though. Might feel different with full shapes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on August 16, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
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yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.

I made the same switch, skate medium trucks, love the Ace, never going back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 17, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
Been switching back and forth Indy and Ace and can't seem to settle on one. Once getting used to one and liking it, I get the itch to switch back to the other and vice versa. Atleast I narrowed the madness between these two trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on August 18, 2018, 10:35:29 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hmmmokay on August 18, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?

Yep, these guys.

(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1SBON04PAK003WK.jpg)

I was riding them in my thunders as well, but not tightening them down too much so they were still relatively "loose" just, in my opinion, a bit more responsive than the medium bushings. They also have not softened up as fast (or at all really) as the mediums.

Contrary to how most people ride bones bushings (including myself before I got Aces), when I put them in my 44s, I kept a bottom washer on so I didn't have to tighten up so much on the kingpin. I've got about one thread from the kingpin above the top of the nut, still have the amazing turning performance that Ace is known for but with a bit more stability from the hard bushings.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on August 18, 2018, 11:10:25 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
I don’t skate loose trucks at all, after the first two sessions the stock bushings stiffened up just fine. I tightened them maybe 1/4-1/2 turn on each truck and haven’t messed with them since. I would give the stock bushings a good week or two before you switch them out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on August 18, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
All good to know! I'll let them break in a bit before I try new bushings. I hate that feeling where you're thrown off a bit for a session or two when you get new trucks or a new deck or whatever. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 18, 2018, 09:53:25 PM
Just out of curiosity, what wheelbase board do you guys find best with ace?
I like 14.25, but have had nose and tail lengths affect that sweet spot.
Anyone loyal to one board brand/dimension with the aces?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 19, 2018, 12:15:10 AM
Just out of curiosity, what wheelbase board do you guys find best with ace?
I like 14.25, but have had nose and tail lengths affect that sweet spot.
Anyone loyal to one board brand/dimension with the aces?

I'm pretty tall, liked my aces with wheelbase between 14.5-14.75, a bit less is good too, better for tech but less stable. Skated a pennswood with a 14 inch wb with aces once and that was wayyyy too small.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 19, 2018, 01:28:41 AM
Currently skating some copper aces that I found dirt cheap (23 bucks). Im a tad worried since my next two decks in line to ride are Scumco's and they have a small wheelbases.
 PS stix Scumco has a bigger wheelbase at 14.125"  than the pennswood Scumco but not much. The pennswood is exactly 14".
I hope it works for me since Im not that tall 5'9".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hermanos racists on August 19, 2018, 01:37:33 AM
i tried my 44's with bones hards without bottom washer and they are not that good as with the stocks ones.made an awful sound and didnt turn as good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 19, 2018, 08:37:03 AM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 09:47:51 AM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)

On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 19, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
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I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)
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On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!

On shorter WB boards with ACE/Indy/Theeve I find I put my front much further up, sometimes right at the edge of the kick when skating bowls vs just behind the first set of bolts on loner WB.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
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I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)
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On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!
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On shorter WB boards with ACE/Indy/Theeve I find I put my front much further up, sometimes right at the edge of the kick when skating bowls vs just behind the first set of bolts on loner WB.

that's nuts man, just goes to show how differing technique can be from one individual to another.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on August 20, 2018, 10:20:46 AM
Just copped some second gen aces. They were a little to tight stock so I put the krux top bushing in and I am liking it so far. When those bushings crap out, what should I use to replace the bottom bushing? Will the whole krux replacement kit work?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 20, 2018, 10:45:28 AM
The stock new replacements for aces fully broken in work the best out of everything.
If you're still wanting loose, you can even buy a second set of low replacements and use the shorter top bushing from that set paired with your regular tall cylinder. Gives kind of a rattle loose feel but still stable...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on August 31, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 31, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I used to skate 33's and 8" Roger boards a few years ago when they had those square PS STIX shapes and it may be my favorite kind of setup ever. If you're interested, try it, they're great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
Anyone have any .38 specials unused? I’ve never had problems with them and I like seeing them on my axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 03, 2018, 05:39:49 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 03, 2018, 05:42:10 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

Yep! I skate 33’s on 8/8.12 on both short wheel base Pennswood decks and a slightly longer wheelbase Real deck in 8.25. They work great!

I’m going to try moving up to 8.25 and possibly 8.5 wide decks so I think I’ll try ACE 44’s when I do that but for now the 33’s are great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on September 04, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 04, 2018, 09:40:13 PM
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Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
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Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D

why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on September 05, 2018, 12:22:46 AM
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Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
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Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
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why?

hotroddin sucks son thats why
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 05, 2018, 02:37:16 AM
Been skating since forever and a day, never heard of flipping axle nuts around.

Back when indy and thunder would slip all the time Stage III+ spacers and rings to keep the nuts flush at the tip of the axle and zero play with the wheels was the only way to keep slip at bay. Probably still works.

With ACE'sQC, it's usually impossible to get three rings on each side.

bit late but responding to this, usually we flip axle nuts around when someones axle threads/nut is fucked as a temporary way to keep them skating. not pretty but it works as the nylock part gets on first.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 05, 2018, 01:33:32 PM
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Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
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Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
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why?
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hotroddin sucks son thats why

doesnt bother me what anyone else does
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on September 05, 2018, 02:46:39 PM
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Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
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Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
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why?
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hotroddin sucks son thats why
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doesnt bother me what anyone else does

you asked son
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 05, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
I've done 33's and 44's on 8"-8.25".

There was no real notable difference for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 05, 2018, 08:13:39 PM
Just had my second sesh on the new 44s after coming off of thunder 149s
Honestly it took me longer to get used to the pop of thunders after half a lifetime on Indys
44s feel good but those bushings need to harden up sometime soon, defs fun for just cruising around though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 06, 2018, 08:07:32 AM
Just had my second sesh on the new 44s after coming off of thunder 149s
Honestly it took me longer to get used to the pop of thunders after half a lifetime on Indys
44s feel good but those bushings need to harden up sometime soon, defs fun for just cruising around though

I felt the same way. I couldn't believe how squirrelly they felt first session, but I was coming off riding a pair of Royals that I had apparently gotten pretty used to. I  just cranked them down a bunch then slowly a re-tightened then as they loosened back up as I skated to what felt good. They definitely will harden up. It didn't take long. A few miniramp and park sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 07, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
I grabbed some size 33 stage II .38 specials recently and I like looking down and seeing the old classic slimmer design hanger compared to the new beefed up one. These have the really hard stock bushings but I’m just being patient with them and letting them break in. The newest design Ace’s stock bushings were a bit too soft for my liking, I got crazy wheelbite. Once these ones break in they’re the perfect balance of not too hard and not too soft.

Also, going down from size 44 to 33 isn’t a very noticeable difference, as others have said. I like having a smaller 8.125” board and these 33’s. Lighter and grinds coping and curbs just as good. I initially thought they’d end up being a bit too skinny and miss a lot of grinds but they’ve been perfect. Think I actually prefer these to 44’s now. Anyways, cheers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on September 08, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better? 

Wow, the same thing happened to me a couple months ago. I assumed it was just a freak thing. I can't remember how the pivot cup was doing at the time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 08, 2018, 01:19:17 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

what pivot cups fit ace other than ace or riptide?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
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i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?
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what pivot cups fit ace other than ace or riptide?
independent aftermarket and khiro smalls definitely don't fit. haven't tried the softs though, maybe they stretch to fit? the only ones i've tried that do fit are minilogos but they're straight up plastic. absolute garbage. does anybody know if khiro large fits? perhaps some less obscure longboard company? that or i'll try gluing the stock cups in and pouring oil.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on September 08, 2018, 02:57:57 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

Ace Mag plates are prone to breaking. With that being said mine are still going fucking strong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on September 08, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
The top of a Khiro small pivot cup won't be flush with the baseplate like the stock one would be, but I couldn't tell if there was any problem because of that.  The trucks felt fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 08, 2018, 06:46:42 PM
I’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
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i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?
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Ace Mag plates are prone to breaking. With that being said mine are still going fucking strong.
do you mean in a qc sense or are the mags weaker in general?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
I’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 08, 2018, 09:34:37 PM
The top of a Khiro small pivot cup won't be flush with the baseplate like the stock one would be, but I couldn't tell if there was any problem because of that.  The trucks felt fine.
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
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I’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
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what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.

Stage 1’s had lots of quality control issues, especially bending. Stage 2’s we’re beefed up hangers and fixed bending for the most part, along with new stock bushings which were really hard. Then stage 2.5’s were basically just 2’s with stock .38 axle nuts and the same super hard stock bushings. Stage 3’s are the current ones with even more beefed up hangers, better quality control, softer durometer and bright white stock bushings, and normal axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on September 09, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Broke in a new set of 55s yesterday. Put a drop of speed cream in the pivot cups. (I didn’t do this on my 44s and those things are loud as fuck) They were super wobbly and almost unrideable at first, after about an hour they had some bounce back and were skating fine. Will probably crank them down 1/4-1/2 turn after my next sesh on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 10, 2018, 02:20:48 AM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 10, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.

Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 10, 2018, 07:08:28 AM
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I’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
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what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.
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Stage 1’s had lots of quality control issues, especially bending. Stage 2’s we’re beefed up hangers and fixed bending for the most part, along with new stock bushings which were really hard. Then stage 2.5’s were basically just 2’s with stock .38 axle nuts and the same super hard stock bushings. Stage 3’s are the current ones with even more beefed up hangers, better quality control, softer durometer and bright white stock bushings, and normal axle nuts.

Anyone have a picture for comparison ?
I'm not sure I've got Stage 3 now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on September 10, 2018, 07:20:26 AM
The Stage 3 hangers should look like this
(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 10, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
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so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.
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Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.

are they actually weaker? i think i read somewhere that they were stronger, lighter, and had a slightly shorter kingpin. i believed this since i've never seen a broken mag baseplate before. i've also never seen broken baseplates with someone who rides the stock bushings without bottom washers or bones without bottom washers. also, is magnesium a weaker material or do the mag baseplates have a reputation of breaking?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 10, 2018, 12:01:12 PM
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so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.
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Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
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both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.

are they actually weaker? i think i read somewhere that they were stronger, lighter, and had a slightly shorter kingpin. i believed this since i've never seen a broken mag baseplate before. i've also never seen broken baseplates with someone who rides the stock bushings without bottom washers or bones without bottom washers. also, is magnesium a weaker material or do the mag baseplates have a reputation of breaking?

That's crazy.  I've only seen the broken baseplates with dudes who were riding bones bushings and no bottom washer.

The standard Ace aluminum is softer than Indy/Thunder/Venture.  The Magnesium baseplates do have a reputation for breaking.  The reason that Ace stopped making them is so many would get broken in shipment.

That being said, plenty of people are using them with no issues at all but if you're already breaking the aluminum plates, you'll likely break the mag plate.

Ace just needs to come out with a forged baseplate, inverted kingpin and hollow axle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
Ace just needs to come out with a forged baseplate, inverted [I'll settle for a hollow] kingpin and hollow axle

Forged Hollow ACEs would be the shit.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on September 10, 2018, 11:35:32 PM
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on September 10, 2018, 11:47:14 PM
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5

I've done it before and it was fine, didn't bother me at all. Just don't think about it too much or the madness will get to you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 11, 2018, 01:03:42 AM
0.1 of an inch distributed over both rails is really nothing in the scheme of things...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on September 11, 2018, 08:37:49 AM
Thought so, Ace are nice and stable anyway so I really doubt it's gonna feel like a magic carpet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on September 11, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
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I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5
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I've done it before and it was fine, didn't bother me at all. Just don't think about it too much or the madness will get to you.

Yep, I've done it also. 44s are 8 3/8 and 8.6 is 8 5/8. That's a 1/4 " difference, so totally within the bounds in my opinion. I tried 44s on an 8.75" and it was doable but probably about the limit unless its s shaped deck with taper.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 23, 2018, 01:31:09 AM
Looks like they finally came out with the copper and blue colors in the new designs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on September 23, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
how can you tell what 'stage' aces you have?
i've seen 3 versions. there's one with the tapered hanger and only one speedring, then a 'normal' hanger with two speedrings, and of course the latest ones with that are textured
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 23, 2018, 05:14:20 PM
how can you tell what 'stage' aces you have?
i've seen 3 versions. there's one with the tapered hanger and only one speedring, then a 'normal' hanger with two speedrings, and of course the latest ones with that are textured

You just answered your own question.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on September 26, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
I skimmed this thread. hilarious stuff. Imagine if your trucks axles slipped from day one. That was Indy in the 90s. Tap tap tap tap
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UK TM on September 27, 2018, 01:14:35 PM
I'm sure it's covered in here somewhere but are the axels still slipping, hangers bending, bolts still falling off? Regardless of that stuff I've heard they skate well so don't want to buy a set unless that's been sorted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
I'm sure it's covered in here somewhere but are the axels still slipping, hangers bending, bolts still falling off? Regardless of that stuff I've heard they skate well so don't want to buy a set unless that's been sorted.

all of that has been sorted for 99% of people skating the V3's.  There are still a couple people who break things but that happens with every truck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 29, 2018, 07:23:23 AM
so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2018, 04:03:58 PM
so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.

Try Theeve. Seriously.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 01, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
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so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.
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Try Theeve. Seriously.
cost too much and nobody has em in stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2018, 08:44:17 PM
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so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.
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Try Theeve. Seriously.
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cost too much and nobody has em in stock.

Skate warehouse has'em; you can get the CSX if cost is an issue and you don't care about weight, otherwise /TiAX is also a good choice.

People hate on them but most haven't skated them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 02, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
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so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.
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Try Theeve. Seriously.
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cost too much and nobody has em in stock.
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Skate warehouse has'em; you can get the CSX if cost is an issue and you don't care about weight, otherwise /TiAX is also a good choice.

People hate on them but most haven't skated them.
csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 02, 2018, 12:22:28 PM
csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.
Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on October 02, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
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csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.
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Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger too
Yea but are they worth the price of five boards?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 02, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Yea but are they worth the price of five boards?
Can you buy 5 boards for $50?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on October 02, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
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Yea but are they worth the price of five boards?
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Can you buy 5 boards for $50?
Ah I was confusing them for the TiHanger, carry on
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
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csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.
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Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger too

I know I bring it up often, but the OG design of Theeve was so ACE-like that the Theeve V1 prototypes ran on ACE baseplates; they were also designed around the idea of specifically building a better Indy at the [stage 9 <-> 10] time: one that was lighter, didn't get axle slip, and actually turned like older Indy models instead of washerbinding like the Stage Xs did - hence the use of ACE plates and similar hanger design and probably geo. It's no coincidence the 'mark IIs' and the stage 10.5s came to market when they did, followed quickly by the Stage XI (and the Ti varient).

Also, the TiHanger model still uses the same look as the old V1 design.

Old hanger design:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iXQabe8Kg6A/TF9IqkhgtUI/AAAAAAAAAF4/BwFqY-mxroQ/s1600/IMG_4075.JPG)

TiHanger
(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/theeve-tih-titanium-5-85-skateboard-trucks.png)

You can see the Stage IVs (4th from the right) sporting the same hanger design:

(https://www.theeasyrider.com/palladium/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/IMG_1761.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/61/fd/c561fd6d93aaaea5f20999d75e0eddee.jpg)

Apparently the old hanger design (much like ACEs) wasn't strong enough [without being milled in Ti] to withstand bending...I can't recall any of the old Indy stages that ran the similar design being prone to bending and none of my og theeve bent or had bushing blowout; the V1 tikings were so fucking awesome looking and light AF.

I'll second the fake bones being good, even if they are too hard for my taste (I like soft floopyflop bushings); the stock theeve bushings feel no different in rebound compared to bones once you break them in. Again, they are noticeably harder than Bones mediums (Theeve labels them as 'hard'); stock the bottoms are also taller than bones but flatten out to the 'new' bones bottom height.

The Tiax is the sweet spot now that the tiking doesn't come with a ti pin (that ti pin was so fucking light, made a massive difference in the overall weight of the truck).

Again, people hate on Theeve but they are an [arguably superior] Indy 'knockoff' with no street cred (when Raybourn left for the Birdhouse Indy/bones train they really fell flat) or team that's in the public eye no matter how good Hoffart or Salabanzi are.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 03, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.

so do theeve have the same wheelbase shortening design as ace? as in, if i was riding a 15in wheelbase board with aces, would theeves feel the same? are there any weaknesses specific to theeves?  i'm also a bit confused at the oval yoke. wouldn't that limit the turn? i don't quite understand how it would work without the kingpin grinding against it, making it more of a circle.

also, i think lee ralph rides for them now. i think he rode for ace?
https://www.theevetrucks.com/catalogue
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3TFrrB0xc/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ny8ifs633g9r
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.

so do theeve have the same wheelbase shortening design as ace? as in, if i was riding a 15in wheelbase board with aces, would theeves feel the same? are there any weaknesses specific to theeves?  i'm also a bit confused at the oval yoke. wouldn't that limit the turn? i don't quite understand how it would work without the kingpin grinding against it, making it more of a circle.

also, i think lee ralph rides for them now. i think he rode for ace?
https://www.theevetrucks.com/catalogue
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3TFrrB0xc/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ny8ifs633g9r

The Old Ben was great but you gotta get paid right?

Yes, Theeve, treat wheelbases like ACE and Indy.

I've never had a quality control issues ever, BMC had loose kingpins happen but he's the only case I've heard with that.

The oval yoke doesn't limit the turn at all, but helps prevent wheel bite (trucks inward instead of downward when you really lean into the turn); Oddly, Gullwing also has an oval yoke but horizontal. 

If you ride loose you will love the lesser wheelbite, they are also very stable on center; they are so neutral feeling compared to say the twitchy thunders, turny aces or slower indy feels that some might be unimpressed with them at first.

Rad they gave L.Ralph a truck!

The info you seek is also here:

http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=71489.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=71489.0)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on October 03, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.




u convinced us that you have a good memory. nobody cares.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 03, 2018, 05:31:52 PM
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o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.



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u convinced us that you have a good memory. nobody cares.
i have good memory…about skaters i like. that's the important part. also you care enough to comment on it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on October 03, 2018, 05:41:53 PM
How well do Krux kingpins fit into Ace? Do you have to remove them off the board to adjust?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
How well do Krux kingpins fit into Ace? Do you have to remove them off the board to adjust?

They fit swimmingly, depending on how tight or loose you ride.

Riding loose, I had to make sure that I shaved the top bushing down (no matter that brand) in order to catch the nylon portion of the kingpin nut; remember these were made for the krux downlows so they are shorter than your standard kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 04, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
Got me some of those aftermarket Ace pivot cups in the mail yesterday. Solved my squeaks instantly after throwing them in. I’m on the “Stage 2” Ace’s so they don’t come stock with the much improved pivot cups. They’d probably fit Indy’s fine, too. That is all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on October 05, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
alex olson of indy on ace?

source: olsonstuff instagram story
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 05, 2018, 01:37:37 AM
alex olson of indy on ace?

source: olsonstuff instagram story
took a break from vegan_alkaline_news then I see?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on October 05, 2018, 06:09:19 AM
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alex olson of indy on ace?

source: olsonstuff instagram story
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took a break from vegan_alkaline_news then I see?

what on aboot lad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 10, 2018, 11:40:15 AM
So, I’m planning to switch my indy 149’s to ace 44’s. I’ve been riding 14” wheelbase lately, and I’ve heard that aces shrunk down wb so should I get a board with longer wb with them to get similar ride as with indys?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on October 10, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
I thought they extended it? I didn't switch when I got Ace's. To me they feel pretty similar to Indys except for the very bottom of the turn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 10, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
So, I’m planning to switch my indy 149’s to ace 44’s. I’ve been riding 14” wheelbase lately, and I’ve heard that aces shrunk down wb so should I get a board with longer wb with them to get similar ride as with indys?

ace and indy will have relatively the same WB.  thunder and venture will extend it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 10, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
So, I’m planning to switch my indy 149’s to ace 44’s. I’ve been riding 14” wheelbase lately, and I’ve heard that aces shrunk down wb so should I get a board with longer wb with them to get similar ride as with indys?
when you put indys and ace side to side, the axle is basically in the same spot, relative to the length of the base plate. the difference is, ace have the mounting holes more outwards (towards the nose) which makes the whole truck go inwards. this not only makes the wheelbase shorter, but also makes the space between the axle and the kick up on the tail longer, making the tail feel lighter. the difference is only a few millimetres, but in skateboarding, especially trucks, that makes a huge difference.

i would recommend getting a longer wb anyway because ace are a bit more unstable than indy. if you want the tail to feel the same as indy, get a board with a smaller space between where the tail kicks up and the mounting holes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on October 10, 2018, 11:12:26 PM
^^ Aces on the DLX 8.06 14.38 and 14.4 WB shapes have a perfect light, snappy, and controlled pop like Indy. The daan full shape 8.06 x 31.91 14.4wb deck was perfect with aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2018, 09:38:19 AM
^^ Aces on the DLX 8.06 14.38 and 14.4 WB shapes have a perfect light, snappy, and controlled pop like Indy. The daan full shape 8.06 x 31.91 14.4wb deck was perfect with aces.

Yup. The ACE/Indy/Theeve 'pull in' work amazing on 14.3x-14.4. This is why I have such an issue with board dimensions. That wheelbase is made by so few companies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on October 12, 2018, 02:31:35 AM
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Yup. The ACE/Indy/Theeve 'pull in' work amazing on 14.3x-14.4. This is why I have such an issue with board dimensions. That wheelbase is made by so few companies.

917s with the 14.5 WB looks fun. Haven't skated anything higher than a 14.4 on aces, kind of curious. On an workshop 8.0 with 14.25 and it's alright....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on November 03, 2018, 07:38:52 PM
both latest version 44s and 33s axels bent.
i'm back on a set of indys again, kinda over the quality issue man!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tally810 on November 03, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
both latest version 44s and 33s axels bent.
i'm back on a set of indys again, kinda over the quality issue man!
Bought my daughter a pair of the "purple coping eaters" 44 and one of the axles is so bent I can barely get a bearing on it... Kinda disappointing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Willie on November 04, 2018, 03:48:30 PM
That's fucked up. I think they have a great design but I'd wager they've never really gotten a handle on their overseas QC. Maybe they've been produced by more than one factory or maybe their suppliers just don't give a shit (which, with some knowledge of Chinese manufacturing, seems completely plausible).

Unless it has something to do with the hangar design (doubtful) maybe they should source their axles here?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on November 04, 2018, 05:14:01 PM
^^ i was skating gaps one session with the 44s, that probably did the bending.
the 33s have a smaller hanger support/webbing so that must have compromised the strength.
terrific design, horrible qc.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on November 04, 2018, 07:05:26 PM
I measured Ace 44 and Indy 149 on the same FA 8.5 w/ 14.25WB- Indy Stage XI are .25in longer WB, actually slightly over.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on December 11, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Something tells me there might be an Ace truck between 44s and 55s on the horizon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2018, 09:45:42 AM
Something tells me there might be an Ace truck between 44s and 55s on the horizon.

You mean a true 8.5?

Knowing Ace it will be more like an 8.675"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on December 12, 2018, 10:16:14 AM
Something half way between a 44 and 55 makes the most sense. So 8 5/8" wouldn't be far off the mark.

44s are 146mm, only 3mm off 149 so it seems an 8.5"  wouldn't really be worth it.

Anyway, if its 8 5/8" or even 8 3/4" I've got my truck for life. 155mm hanger  or thereabouts...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on December 26, 2018, 07:30:43 PM
Bummed ☹️ out. Been on my ace 44 like 1 year. Axle slipped. I have not had this issue since the early 90s. I don’t enjoy tapping my truck on the ground like I’m in jr high again. Ultra frickin bummed ☹️
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eight two fives on December 26, 2018, 07:49:36 PM
You had them a year...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on December 26, 2018, 09:31:29 PM
One year of use is all I can ask for in a truck. Poor trucks they have served you loyally and well beyond the call of duty only to be hammered against the ground and shit talked on slap :( make them a tea and give them a crossword puzzle they earned their pension
 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 26, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
^^^ you heard the man. What the fuck more do you want from a year of skated trucks. These things aren’t bulletproof
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Octobre Rouge. on December 27, 2018, 01:34:50 AM
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What the fuck more do you want from a year of skated trucks. These things aren’t bulletproof

Damn, i'm skating 20 hours a week, and after 9 months of waxed ledges, my Indys are far from being ground down.

 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on December 27, 2018, 06:37:19 AM
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What the fuck more do you want from a year of skated trucks. These things aren’t bulletproof
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Damn, i'm skating 20 hours a week, and after 9 months of waxed ledges, my Indys are far from being ground down.
His issue isn't grinding them down it's axle slip which is way more common. Indy's are the highest quality so it isn't surprising but waxed ledges and you got 60 more hours to go for a year. Maybe you develop axle slip in that timespan? Maybe Indy's really are WW2 vets and aces are millenials retiring due to workplace anxiety at 45 I dunno you could be right but we also don't know the mission specifics. It could've been a really really stressfull career for them meanwhile your Indy's got paid paternity leave and the office had a nutritionist wow good for them enjoy the pension and carefree old age.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on December 27, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
I’ve had three sets of Aces and all of them have got axle slip just after a year. I’ve never had axle slip on any other trucks. Yet I keep buying them...

Indies used to last me at least 2 years before something went wrong. I haven’t tried the new Aces (v3?) yet, hopefully they will hold up a little longer.

They will. They are just a little bit heavier but still turn great and grind better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 144p on December 28, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Just set up some ace 55's, damn they feel good.
I put indy medium/hard blue bushings in.
I also put a small bones top washer under the bottom bushing to fill in the space because the stock ace bushings are slightly thicker.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Arto Saari on December 29, 2018, 04:21:51 AM
Damn, sucks to hear that even the newer aces are axle slipping.. Aces are the ONLY trucks I've ever had an axle slip on and I always skate my trucks for over a year. I really want to buy another pair, as they are imo the best turning and looking trucks on the market, but I refuse to deal with axle slip again. Had it on both trucks. Slipped damn near every time I didn't land a trick. Infuriating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on December 29, 2018, 03:31:02 PM
this may seem like a dumb question but


whats an axle slip??

Just picked up the 44 and theyre my first pair of aces and they turn amazing straight off the shelves. Feel like ive been missing out, but u guys are worrying me with the bent truck and axle slip comments
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on December 29, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
this may seem like a dumb question but


whats an axle slip??

Just picked up the 44 and theyre my first pair of aces and they turn amazing straight off the shelves. Feel like ive been missing out, but u guys are worrying me with the bent truck and axle slip comments

Axle slip is when the axle shifts inside the hanger causing it to be off center.  It usually happens (but not always) when you do a lot of flip tricks and the board lands primo shifting the axle inside the hanger. A sign will be that one wheel would stop and you'd have to loosen your nut or pound it back the other way to get the wheel to spin again.  Back in the day when my friends and I had shifting axles we'd pound it with a hammer so the axle would be totally floating so you wouldn't have to pound them back.  I don't flip my board so much anymore so it doesn't happen to me much anymore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 30, 2018, 03:09:11 AM
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this may seem like a dumb question but


whats an axle slip??

Just picked up the 44 and theyre my first pair of aces and they turn amazing straight off the shelves. Feel like ive been missing out, but u guys are worrying me with the bent truck and axle slip comments
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Axle slip is when the axle shifts inside the hanger causing it to be off center.  It usually happens (but not always) when you do a lot of flip tricks and the board lands primo shifting the axle inside the hanger. A sign will be that one wheel would stop and you'd have to loosen your nut or pound it back the other way to get the wheel to spin again.  Back in the day when my friends and I had shifting axles we'd pound it with a hammer so the axle would be totally floating so you wouldn't have to pound them back.  I don't flip my board so much anymore so it doesn't happen to me much anymore.

I can’t flip my board for shit, looks like I’m safe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 31, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
Me & my friend bought ace 44’s like a month ago, I saved mine till summer cuz I hate breaking in new trucks indoors but he set them up straight away and now his front truck is already bent... I thought ace fixed that problem? Dude is like 65kg/145lbs and I weight a lot more 😬😬
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 31, 2018, 04:51:27 AM
Me & my friend bought ace 44’s like a month ago, I saved mine till summer cuz I hate breaking in new trucks indoors but he set them up straight away and now his front truck is already bent... I thought ace fixed that problem? Dude is like 65kg/145lbs and I weight a lot more 😬😬
I’ve got a set of the new 44s and they seem really sturdy to me, break in time was minimal too💪🏼 I guess they suffer from bad QC harder than the other big 3 though and that’s why you always hear bad tings about them...
Hope you got a good set, they’re really fun to ride!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 20, 2019, 01:23:47 AM
Awesome, I hope they bring the 3/8s back
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 03:39:40 AM
Where did you get that information from?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 09:30:34 AM
Seems like they didn’t think things through, if this is even true. They made new molds to pour the hangers (size 33 and up since they had to make new beefier ones), only to have to create new molds within roughly a year for sizes 33 and down?

Also, I always thought the 00-66 was a shortened version of the hanger width (144, 155, 166, etc). So it wouldn’t make sense to make the 44’s 8” wide because then that number would have no correlation whatsoever. ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
Just quoting to bring this info to the new page.

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Heard some interesting news about Ace today.

Apparently their next version (V4?) is going have
the ‘bulkier’ design on all their sizes. Here’s where it gets interesting... 44s will be exactly 8 inches and 55s will be exactly 8.5 inches. Not sure what’s happening to the other sizes, I think they’re keeping the rest the same. There will be no 8.25 truck.

They’ve done their first run under their new distro/factory so some more changes are coming. Those axle nuts without the nylon will be back if they can sort something out with the new factory.
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Where did you get that information from?
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From some shops in the North West.

Interesting. I like aces quite a bit. The QC things didn’t really bother me a lot. I don’t expect skateboard stuff to last a lifetime, nor be ‘perfect’ for anything. I liked their first design the most. And the ‘odd’ sizes were actually pretty smart. I do think it’s fucking hilarious that people would cry so much about the 44’s not being 8.5 (worked fine with washers), found them to work on a wide range of sizes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2019, 03:37:46 PM
They have big names. Stranger, Blender, Cardiel was on them low-key but looks like he went back to skating some old pair of Dressen Indy’s. Lots of well-known new generation skaters on the team. They’re well established and definitely made it into a “big 4”, but they still don’t have the quality control like the other 3.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on January 20, 2019, 04:13:08 PM
Well... it looks like I’ll have to pick up a couple extra sets of the current 44’s.

It would have been great if they did exact sizes from the start, but changing it up now definitely eats ass.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on January 20, 2019, 09:01:48 PM
ive heard something like this but it will be:
33 = 8
44 = 8.25
55 = 8.5
66 = 8.75
77 = 9
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2019, 10:14:50 PM
ive heard something like this but it will be:
33 = 8
44 = 8.25
55 = 8.5
66 = 8.75
77 = 9

Makes sense. I guess I kinda liked the weirdness before but whatever. And I did genuinely enjoy the lamenting about there not being a size between the 44 and 55 (a 45). As someone that tries a lot of different stuff I’m pretty willing to concede that it doesn’t reeeaaally matter.
What I do find interesting about the trucks is that I can ride 56 conical fulls fairly loose (winter so sorta loose, cold bushing) and not get crazy wheelbite. The turn is sick.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on January 20, 2019, 10:41:44 PM
44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.

I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TwisT on January 21, 2019, 07:33:10 AM
44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.

I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.

you think people actually complained about the extra thread? If anything I think people would just complain about there not being a truck listed as 8.25 :/. Wasn't that long ago that an 8.25 truck didn't even exist.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on January 21, 2019, 08:25:25 AM
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44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.

I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.
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you think people actually complained about the extra thread? If anything I think people would just complain about there not being a truck listed as 8.25 :/. Wasn't that long ago that an 8.25 truck didn't even exist.

I would be more inclined to think more people complained there wasn't something between the current 44's and 55's so they decided to shift down to accommodate both.  A lot of people who ride a 8.5 boards are torn as to which to ride.  44's too small, 55's too big.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 21, 2019, 07:37:50 PM
ive heard something like this but it will be:
33 = 8
44 = 8.25
55 = 8.5
66 = 8.75
77 = 9

Stoked if that's true. I was hoping for a size between 44 and 55 but an 8.5" or 8.75" will work nicely.

How soon are these coming out"?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2019, 12:15:14 PM
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44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.

I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.
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you think people actually complained about the extra thread? If anything I think people would just complain about there not being a truck listed as 8.25 :/. Wasn't that long ago that an 8.25 truck didn't even exist.

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I would be more inclined to think more people complained there wasn't something between the current 44's and 55's so they decided to shift down to accommodate both.  A lot of people who ride a 8.5 boards are torn as to which to ride.  44's too small, 55's too big.

44s, like it was mentioned above, would do fine on 8.5s with washers; the truck, axle tip to tip was actually an 8.35, damn near right in the middle; I hope they keep the 44 around. QC will still keep people away as well as the lack of trendy/marketing options: Hollow, Ti, forged, etc., - it's nice to have options but you need the consumer base to enable that many variations.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 23, 2019, 05:37:20 PM
I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.

Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 24, 2019, 08:03:04 PM
Dropped Ace a FB message and they confirmed they are thinking of an 8.5/ 8.6" truck. More details to come in Spring apparently....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 24, 2019, 09:16:28 PM
I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.

Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
What a massive kook.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 24, 2019, 09:21:03 PM
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I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.

Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
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What a massive kook.
Thanks, have a nice day :-*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 24, 2019, 09:35:21 PM
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I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.

Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
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What a massive kook.
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Thanks, have a nice day :-*
You can go fuck yourself raw with a purple coping eater. “Specialness.” There’s nothing special about aces. They’re cheap, Chinese aluminum at a slightly greater angle than indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 25, 2019, 12:43:26 AM
You’re really upset about skateboard trucks. Indy may still pour their cast aluminum here but it’s still sourced from China. Their forged plates are sourced and made there. But yeah man...stay tough out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 25, 2019, 02:51:21 AM
this guy definitely shouts RIDE THE BEST FUCK THE REST to kids at his local park whilst only doing front slashes on a 4fter
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 25, 2019, 07:27:16 AM
Lol, not even, but let’s talk about how special aces are inserted into that dude’s rectum though.  If he skated he would know that the “big three” are vastly different and aren’t “just trucks,” in his words. But then again, they’re all just trucks, and do essentially the same thing in little different ways. This guy’s talking about aces like they’re for the enlightened skateboarder and not the filthy masses. Fuck him.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on January 25, 2019, 07:43:59 AM
If he skated he would know the “big three” aren’t “just trucks,"

...

But then again, they’re all just trucks
::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 25, 2019, 07:53:42 AM
Bitch, you skate theeves 😂
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on January 25, 2019, 08:01:53 AM
Proudly  8)

edit: Indy is aight too for higher speeds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on January 25, 2019, 08:22:03 AM
Most of the people I know who ride Aces prefer skating concrete bowls and riding loose trucks. 

The quality has been a bit spotty but people are willing to risk this for supporting a smaller, newer brand, they have minimal wheelbite and the tightest turning radius.....Julian Stranger rides them too.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 25, 2019, 08:32:55 AM
But the dude who sells new, random gear all the time thinks they’re for the skater who would rather talk about trucks all day than skate them, so I guess that’s your market now Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 25, 2019, 09:10:19 AM
Never imagined my anonymous stupid opinion on skateboard trucks and items I sell could make a person so upset over it on a message board. There’s a first for everything. Hope you feel better :-*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 199002 on January 25, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Dementia =

Mental confusion and emotional disruption. It makes it difficult to think, remember, sleep, pay attention, and more. You might experience the condition during alcohol withdrawal, after surgery, or when attempting to spew complete nonsense about a subject you have no experince with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on January 25, 2019, 10:54:04 AM
Dementia =

Mental confusion and emotional disruption. It makes it difficult to think, remember, sleep, pay attention, and more. You might experience the condition during alcohol withdrawal, after surgery, or when attempting to spew complete nonsense about a subject you have no experince with.
Larry Dallas on dementia?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Larry Dallas on January 25, 2019, 01:17:45 PM
I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.

Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
I just wanted to shift the focus back to this shit... and someone gnarred the guy 😂
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 25, 2019, 01:30:22 PM
Maybe he’ll go away if everyone agrees that I’m a major kook and shuns me away, giving me negative rep and just destroying my ability to carry on in life knowing people on a message board reject me. Fuck...this really sucks guys. Sorry about all of this. I’ll never be the kind of man Larry is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on January 25, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
Larry who hurt you?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 25, 2019, 04:31:30 PM
It sounds like it was Joey Tershay
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on January 25, 2019, 04:42:47 PM
Larry Dallas. Not a badass.
Stanley Roper was much doper.
Ralph Furley was kinda squirly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on February 19, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Just realised my new pair have a very clear axle defect, wheel won't slide on smooth but once it's on it seems to work fine. I would send it back for a replacement but I don't have any spare trucks. They really need to fix their quality control.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on February 19, 2019, 06:09:56 PM
Larry Dallas. Not a badass.
Stanley Roper was much doper.
Ralph Furley was kinda squirly.

Jack Tripper was a ripper.
Chrissy Snow did some blow.
Janet Wood always could.

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I've been skating a set of 44s right now (4 months) that are probably the v1s.  I usually ride Indy 149 forged hollows and the 44s have a squirlier turn (good and bad) vs. the Indys.  44s are slightly heavier.

Would possibly consider another set of 44s depending on how these last.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on February 19, 2019, 08:08:45 PM
Just realised my new pair have a very clear axle defect, wheel won't slide on smooth but once it's on it seems to work fine. I would send it back for a replacement but I don't have any spare trucks. They really need to fix their quality control.

A couple sets I own have this problem, but it doesn’t effect anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on February 22, 2019, 01:14:59 PM
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Just realised my new pair have a very clear axle defect, wheel won't slide on smooth but once it's on it seems to work fine. I would send it back for a replacement but I don't have any spare trucks. They really need to fix their quality control.
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A couple sets I own have this problem, but it doesn’t effect anything.
I ended up emailing them a picture anyways and they're gonna send out another truck, they claimed to have never seen the problem. My disdain for Ace's quality control has been lessened by my new found respect for their customer service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 23, 2019, 06:00:58 AM
I recently dug through an old boneyard of parts and had a couple broken Ace baseplates at the pivot from slappies. Stage 2’s from years ago. They replaced them no problem. They’re probably used to shipping out plenty of warranty parts, as their quality control still isn’t good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BasedSenpai on February 23, 2019, 07:07:58 AM
Recently got my first set, and honestly it's the best truck I've had as far as turning and grinds. Smith grinds feels soooo nice on these for some reason. Only thing that made me initially hesitant was build quality/durability, cause I feel like even though every other truck out of the big 3 are all good(indy, venture, thunder) I've never had Indy's break on me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lord Quas on March 07, 2019, 09:09:56 PM
the last few pages have been real tough to gauge. Great trucks with poor QC seem to be the consensus . is that still the case? What size would i get for 8.3/4?

I wish these companies would all get together on one simple, concise measurement system.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on March 08, 2019, 12:46:53 AM
the last few pages have been real tough to gauge. Great trucks with poor QC seem to be the consensus . is that still the case? What size would i get for 8.3/4?

I wish these companies would all get together on one simple, concise measurement system.

I´ve been riding multiple sets of Aces over the past few years. Never had any defect described in this thread. I´d go with the 44s.

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/AceFall18Catalog-5.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
the last few pages have been real tough to gauge. Great trucks with poor QC seem to be the consensus . is that still the case? What size would i get for 8.3/4?

I wish these companies would all get together on one simple, concise measurement system.

The latest round seem to have put the QC under control, grab some 44s 'classics' (make sure they have the new bushings).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on March 08, 2019, 09:55:36 AM
55s are actually closer in size to a 8.75" deck but I also ride 44s on an 8.75. Depends what you want to do...

Fingers crossed for a size in-between 44s and 55s soon. Pretty sure Ace are considering it, if not already working on it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bagelskate on March 08, 2019, 03:49:30 PM
Before I email them, does anyone know which trucks skate warehouse has for their ace classics in 8.25. They only have deck width, not the truck model number
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on March 08, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
Those are the 44s. Actually an  8 3/8" axle  though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bagelskate on March 08, 2019, 04:03:58 PM
Those are the 44s. Actually an  8 3/8" axle  though.

Shalom, Thanks man!

Gonna pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lord Quas on March 09, 2019, 12:46:00 AM
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Shalom, Thanks man!

Gonna pull the trigger.

I’ve come to realize that they (skatewarehouse) aren’t the most accurate when it comes to truck and deck specifics. But that seems to be the case on most online skate retailers. One site will have a board with a 14.25wb in the details, same deck elsewhere has a 14.4wb, kinda annoying. But when you go add the trucks to your cart it’ll show as ‘44’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 30, 2019, 02:13:44 AM
Skated my 44’s for the first time yesterday (flatground only tho), coming from indy 149’s and it took very little to adjust my tricks. I love how they are lower and don’t feel tipsy like indys and still turn fucking amazing. Feel like I’ve found my truck <3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on March 30, 2019, 07:26:10 AM
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on April 01, 2019, 02:38:01 AM
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.

damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.

what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 01, 2019, 03:16:39 AM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.

what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated

I’m currently 44’s on an 8.5. Wheels are well inside of the deck. I wouldn’t go any wider on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 01, 2019, 06:25:54 AM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.

what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated

I'm currently on an 8 5/8" with 44s and it feels great. I've had them on  an 8 3/4" also but that didn't work as well unless its a shaped board. Generally speaking I'd say 44s are good from about 8 1/8" to 8 5/8". Keep it within 1/4" either side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 01, 2019, 07:53:07 AM
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.

Hoping for a forged baseplate, slightly taller hangar, hollow or Ti axle, inverted kingpin

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 01, 2019, 09:52:35 AM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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Hoping for a forged baseplate, slightly taller hangar, hollow or Ti axle, inverted kingpin

They'd have to switch to emirco for that to happen I bet; I've been skating 'just hollows' with indy and thunder and could get buy on Ace going that route; they're already super low.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 01, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.

Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 01, 2019, 04:20:03 PM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.

what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated
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I’m currently 44’s on an 8.5. Wheels are well inside of the deck. I wouldn’t go any wider on them.

My friend skates an 8.125 with 44s and it looks right. I've skated up to 8.62 with 44s and didn't notice any issues, put some extra washers on the inside side of the wheel to pad it out a bit since the axle is a bit longer than usual, and you're good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 01, 2019, 07:07:38 PM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).

There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts.  Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc...  Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.

Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 01, 2019, 08:15:09 PM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).
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There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts.  Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc...  Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.

Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...

Interesting. Having just snagged a set of the newest raw 44's there's really nothing I would change about them; the turn, the new bushings, the svelte hanger, even the current width (but I ride 8.38's so the width of the 44 is perfect to me). Changing factories would probably be a smart move regardless, although I've never had a QC issue like others have in this thread.

Those 3/8" axle nuts can fuck right off though, really hope they don't bring those back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TooManyPros on April 02, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).
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There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts.  Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc...  Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.

Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...

Funny, you'd think that wouldn't be something you'd overlook, given that most (?) truck designs scale this way? Truck webs start and hit the same on every other truck.

As for versions I think the Classics are v2.5?

OG

V2: Revised Hanger w/wider wings, less top hanger meat (which people misinterpreted as it being bent), less hanger taper and a revision to the bushing seat to tame in the pivot angle to stop shredding cups.

<not counting the .38 specials>

V3/Classics: same V2 hanger but clearly a step up in terms of casting, new finish + new bushings

Be a shame to lose the 44s, that size is nearing extinction - hopefully it stays is as a 'classic 44'
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on April 03, 2019, 03:28:02 AM
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
v1
(https://i.imgur.com/drIePyG.jpg)
v2
(https://i.imgur.com/VhxNj9F.jpg)
v3
(https://i.imgur.com/BWnIk3l.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 03, 2019, 06:28:43 PM
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.

Thanks for the breakdown. Guess I've only ever had V3's then.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on April 03, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.

hawt
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 04, 2019, 04:05:01 AM
Thanks to this thread it finally solved the big mystery for me if my 44 classics really were the redesigned classics

They didn’t have the weird 3/8 axle nut
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 05, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
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Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...

Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
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Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).
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There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts.  Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc...  Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.

Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...

Spring catalog dropped a few days ago. Nothing new design or size-wise. (AO listed on the rider page now, which is pretty alright).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 05, 2019, 06:59:53 PM
Later in the year was what I heard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 05, 2019, 07:04:45 PM
There’s no noticeable change in geometry between stage 2 and whatever is at now?  I need one new 44. My shop stopped carrying or something idk. I gotta order can only afford one truck. Move the old truck up front is the plan. I want as little change as possible.

I tried to get a replacement beginning of the winter  but I got no reply. I’m nervous about ordering shit always
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 06, 2019, 07:15:24 AM
Later in the year was what I heard.

They’re gonna redesign them again?

Cause Didn’t they just recently redesign them to the 52mm height and straight more reinforced hangar like months ago?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 06, 2019, 07:45:00 AM
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 06, 2019, 07:47:02 AM
(AO listed on the rider page now, which is pretty alright).

And steve olson, I guess indy doesnt owe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 06, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?

You are right, approximately at least. Aces are indeed 52 mm high (and always have been?) but the geometry makes them turn very deep without wheelbite. Sure, you can wheelbite them but it's the most predictable wheelbite of any truck I've skated and hard to achieve unless you're fucking up badly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 06, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?

I use risers most of the time but everything being the same I get less wheel bite with ACE than Thunder b/c of the way they turn, hooks the wheel further back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 06, 2019, 11:37:31 AM
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correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
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I use risers most of the time but everything being the same I get less wheel bite with ACE than Thunder b/c of the way they turn, hooks the wheel further back.

I run 54mm's on Ace's with no risers. No problems with wheelbite. I've gone up to 56mm without any real issue. When I had Thunders (team 149's) I could get pitched on 52's with a particularly shitty landing on flat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dima on April 06, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?

thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 06, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
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correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
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thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...

if you mean the "redesign" from 5 or so years ago, they are all at about 52/53 now besides the lows or 145's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 06, 2019, 02:19:47 PM
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correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
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thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...
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if you mean the "redesign" from 5 or so years ago, they are all at about 52/53 now besides the lows or 145's.

Aren't the 147 Highs also much lower than 53? 47 or something?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Quique on April 07, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
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correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
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thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...
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if you mean the "redesign" from 5 or so years ago, they are all at about 52/53 now besides the lows or 145's.
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Aren't the 147 Highs also much lower than 53? 47 or something?

147 hi are around 50mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 12:10:12 PM
Good to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on April 07, 2019, 04:23:55 PM
Good to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.

I have a pair of Ace baseplates laying around, I'm gonna try this. Thanks for the tip, my guy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 07, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
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Good to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.
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I have a pair of Ace baseplates laying around, I'm gonna try this. Thanks for the tip, my guy.

Tried this for kicks. Can confirm, works really well. No weirdness or bind in the turn at all. Use the stock Ace bottom and an Indy top bushing if you wanna get real loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 08, 2019, 06:59:56 AM
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Good to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.
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I have a pair of Ace baseplates laying around, I'm gonna try this. Thanks for the tip, my guy.
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Tried this for kicks. Can confirm, works really well. No weirdness or bind in the turn at all. Use the stock Ace bottom and an Indy top bushing if you wanna get real loose.

I use the stock Ace bushings from the stage 2’s that are really hard, but I broke them in really good from previous sets. Using a bones flat washer for the top bushing instead of the stock cup washer. Fits perfect and really keeps the wheelbite under control since I’m heavier.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
i had the same experience.  Put my 159 hangers on Ace baseplates.  Kept the stock Ace bushings but had to switch Bones flat washer up top or else it was going to be too tight.  Haven't had a proper session yet but around the house they felt fine and now my wheels aren't sticking out like the 55s did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 10, 2019, 11:16:17 PM
Why is it getting harder to find 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on April 11, 2019, 03:02:36 AM
Why is it getting harder to find 55s

wild guess, the old stock might have sold out in most shops and they don’t have the new stock yet?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Idk on April 15, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Lots of new riders for Ace, notable Alex Olson.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ged frall on April 15, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
Lots of new riders for Ace, notable Alex Olson.

word?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Idk on April 15, 2019, 01:07:53 PM
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Lots of new riders for Ace, notable Alex Olson.
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word?
Sage Elsesser, the new guy on Enjoi Deedz too.   
https://www.acetrucks.com/team/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on April 15, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
Ace should be irrelevant as long as they support Vinnie fuckin' Banh.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2019, 09:25:33 PM
Ace should be irrelevant as long as they support Vinnie fuckin' Banh.

Granted, but the amount of cringe-worthy Indy riders over the years would fill pages. I'd like to think Ace's more legit active pro's and legacy dudes offset the Banh....maybe?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 15, 2019, 11:52:18 PM
Julien Stranger - Vinnie Banh = barely breaking even
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 16, 2019, 05:19:20 AM
Weird that AO, Sage and others were removed from the team page after they were mentioned here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 16, 2019, 05:29:36 AM
Weird that AO, Sage and others were removed from the team page after they were mentioned here

The new guys are listed in the '19 spring catalog. Don't think they've updated the list on their site yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on April 16, 2019, 06:19:10 AM
Didrik was already on the list, it's just that no one knows his name
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 17, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
I’ wish they sold singles. I’m hella poor.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on April 18, 2019, 04:59:25 AM
i wish they sold baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ged frall on April 18, 2019, 08:49:16 AM
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The new guys are listed in the '19 spring catalog. Don't think they've updated the list on their site yet.

https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/ (https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2019, 09:29:19 AM
i wish they sold
MAGNESIUM
baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 18, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
And the web site is down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on April 18, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
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i wish they sold
MAGNESIUM
baseplates
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naw magnesium sucks dick. cast or str8 metal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cool Ceith on April 19, 2019, 04:55:48 PM
I started skating Aces like 6 years ago because I saw Gou Miyagi skating them. Such weird reasoning, but such a good decision!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 19, 2019, 06:01:54 PM
I started skating Aces like 6 years ago because I saw Gou Miyagi skating them. Such weird reasoning, but such a good decision!

Similar, saw Matt Town in Spirit Quest riding Aces a couple years ago. Was a nice confirmation they're not just for bowl guys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 19, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
I think it’s over. Get um while you can
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 19, 2019, 11:21:26 PM
I think it’s over. Get um while you can

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 20, 2019, 09:11:16 AM
Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on April 20, 2019, 02:10:52 PM
Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.

I've noticed that many online skateshop are out of stock of the 44s. Maybe Ace is no longer supplying these because new stuff is coming?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 20, 2019, 07:45:34 PM
Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.

I hope so. I’m fucking old and I don’t like changes.  Lee Ralph is my spirit animal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 20, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
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I hope so. I’m fucking old and I don’t like changes.  Lee Ralph is my spirit animal.

Was this based on the fact the website was down for you? It was working for me the whole time. They've been pretty actively pushing their stuff on Instagram and definitely added some bigger names to their roster (objectively speaking). And their distribution is way bigger now than it used to be (since the split with Diamond). For a smaller specialized operation it looks like they're doing alright. I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on April 21, 2019, 01:34:12 AM
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Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.
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I've noticed that many online skateshop are out of stock of the 44s. Maybe Ace is no longer supplying these because new stuff is coming?

44s are the only size of raws available on their website though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cxbvc on April 21, 2019, 06:15:48 AM
Forgive me because I know this would have been discussed way back but how are bones mediums in Ace’s? 44 specifically. I don’t really mind the stock bushings but do have some fresh bones sitting around somewhere. Quicker response? Deeper turning? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on April 21, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
Ace bushings are kind of a weird size. I don't think the top bones would be a great fit especially since the top ace is kinda large. I don't know though, just try it. It would take like 10 minutes. But also, the new ace bushing are the best bushings (urethane formula wise) of all time, hands down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 21, 2019, 10:14:37 AM
Ace bushings are kind of a weird size. I don't think the top bones would be a great fit especially since the top ace is kinda large. I don't know though, just try it. It would take like 10 minutes. But also, the new ace bushing are the best bushings (urethane formula wise) of all time, hands down.

I been riding a medium up top for little over a year. The stock bushings too idk? I can’t bounce out of crooks with the truck wide open and the stock top. I like the stock bottom bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 21, 2019, 10:27:58 AM
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Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.
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I hope so. I’m fucking old and I don’t like changes.  Lee Ralph is my spirit animal.
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Was this based on the fact the website was down for you? It was working for me the whole time. They've been pretty actively pushing their stuff on Instagram and definitely added some bigger names to their roster (objectively speaking). And their distribution is way bigger now than it used to be (since the split with Diamond). For a smaller specialized operation it looks like they're doing alright. I hope so anyway.

Nah.
 Sites fixed order Monday maybe.

I think the web page was getting cleaned up now. I don’t care who’s on the team or pilots them. Eli is cool I guess. I like his switch skating. I just wish my shop had the truck still.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AngryBlackMan on April 21, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
I picked up a pair of 44 classics V3 the other day. I run Indy hard bushings (Im 240 and I skate them medium/loose) in them but I put a small flat washer between the bottom bushing and the original washer to make up for the height.

For the nerds out there Indy bottom bushing is .50, Ace bottom bushing is .56
and the 44s will shrink your wheelbase by 16mm vs Venture 5.8  axle to axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
Ace bushings are kind of a weird size. I don't think the top bones would be a great fit especially since the top ace is kinda large. I don't know though, just try it. It would take like 10 minutes. But also, the new ace bushing are the best bushings (urethane formula wise) of all time, hands down.

Yeah, they're taller than most, bottoms and tops (the latter being much taller than the rest of the market). Using any other top bushing just ends up having lots of thread showing.

Been off ACE for a minute but decided to set my ACEs back up on my cruiser (V1 plates, V2.5(?) hanger, new bushings+Riptides) and maaaan, I don't think there is any truck out there that feels that good just cruising/moving turning - the new bushings really are amazing...tempted to setup my magplates again and put some time on the ACEs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on April 22, 2019, 11:53:23 AM
Forgive me because I know this would have been discussed way back but how are bones mediums in Ace’s? 44 specifically. I don’t really mind the stock bushings but do have some fresh bones sitting around somewhere. Quicker response? Deeper turning?
bones stop turning at a certain point because of the plastic insert binding, so not a deeper turn. and as long as the bottom bushing/washer is the correct height, the response should be about the same. the new stock bushings are great and definitely better than bones on all fronts(rebound, durability, price) but if you already have them, why don't you just try it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 22, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
I likely would like the stock top of it was not so tall. Also

I saw a kid with low ones. They’re sick even though he was riding tight trucks.

Much nicer turn than the thunder low truck. Was like a tracker turn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
I likely would like the stock top of it was not so tall. Also

I saw a kid with low ones. They’re sick even though he was riding tight trucks.

Much nicer turn than the thunder low truck. Was like a tracker turn

The ACE lows are great trucks - I really enjoyed mine on this setup (oddly I rode them with Bones Hard Bushings), low pro, low trucks and 50mm wheels:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ubh-b5Mt8sU/Ttqa8NDWNfI/AAAAAAAADxE/B5bDor6O3Bg/w500-h333-k/IMG_6805.JPG)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
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I likely would like the stock top of it was not so tall. Also

I saw a kid with low ones. They’re sick even though he was riding tight trucks.

Much nicer turn than the thunder low truck. Was like a tracker turn
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The ACE lows are great trucks - I really enjoyed mine on this setup (oddly I rode them with Bones Hard Bushings), low pro, low trucks and 50mm wheels:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ubh-b5Mt8sU/Ttqa8NDWNfI/AAAAAAAADxE/B5bDor6O3Bg/w500-h333-k/IMG_6805.JPG)
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Looks like the set up of a man who would wear these...
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(https://i.ibb.co/1Z1s3cp/A5-E28-D43-E7-EB-4-D13-827-F-DDFFFF29-C9-BD.jpg)
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Indeed, but I was riding the TNT5s back then (fuck that guy) skated the shit out of that board (re-learned bluntslides, then learned switch blunts in that ditch); ditch chewed up it pretty quick, board lasted under a week (?) between that ditch and House Park.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Pt7UFXo4QA-dNA-TseMsbEOKGbWJ6uzE0AVfGXK-VtF2ffQFSebTO2shalcZqAbRsTsZ6rNQbBXu1-WpfD6gyw23bMeRJrA6HZnVRIl_D011SyyaybjlmqYFzRzf2hznnEEuoaWkPUE=w2400)

Keep trying ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on May 02, 2019, 01:38:26 PM
So I'm confused- what width do people actually use with 8.5 decks? I had 44's I rocked on a few 8.25-8.5 setups and the 8.5'ers never felt quite right. Went back to Indy's and I'm mostly on 8.25 decks recently and now seeing people think 44's are too small for those even? Dafuq?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 02, 2019, 01:59:16 PM
So I'm confused- what width do people actually use with 8.5 decks? I had 44's I rocked on a few 8.25-8.5 setups and the 8.5'ers never felt quite right. Went back to Indy's and I'm mostly on 8.25 decks recently and now seeing people think 44's are too small for those even? Dafuq?

44's on an 8.5 for me no problem (usually ride an 8.3 with 44's). Extra speed rings with conicals/full-sized radials and the width is negligible between a 44 and an Indy 149. 

Whoever's complaining of 44's being too narrow for an 8.25 is talking out of their ass.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SadandLonely on May 02, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
Ew rictas
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 02, 2019, 04:09:22 PM
So I'm confused- what width do people actually use with 8.5 decks? I had 44's I rocked on a few 8.25-8.5 setups and the 8.5'ers never felt quite right. Went back to Indy's and I'm mostly on 8.25 decks recently and now seeing people think 44's are too small for those even? Dafuq?

for me 44s worked well with a 8.625, but i wouldn’t do 8.75 with them. 8.375-8.5 is perfect for the truck. i would fall in love with some 8.625 aces though, it kinda sucks that their trucks jump from 8.38 to 9.0 and there’s nothing in between
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 02, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
for me 44s worked well with a 8.625, but i wouldn’t do 8.75 with them. 8.375-8.5 is perfect for the truck. i would fall in love with some 8.625 aces though, it kinda sucks that their trucks jump from 8.38 to 9.0 and there’s nothing in between

Word (from a few pages back) is they are going to be redoing their lineup this fall with 8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 and 9" options.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 03, 2019, 08:13:16 AM
Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 03, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬

they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 03, 2019, 08:29:56 AM
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Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬
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they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany
Paid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 03, 2019, 08:51:30 AM
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Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬
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they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany
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Paid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.

that's actually a really good price, they're like 55€ here, shipping not included. i figured they'd be more expensive in germany because most skate stuff is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 03, 2019, 08:52:34 AM
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Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬
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they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany
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Paid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.
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that's actually a really good price, they're like 55€ here, shipping not included. i figured they'd be more expensive in germany because most skate stuff is.
For some reason shipping was free and I registered to the newsletter so I got a 10€ discount voucher.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 08, 2019, 12:11:25 PM
Did you get your trucks? I'm still waiting on my bushings from them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 08, 2019, 12:15:40 PM
I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 08, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
Did you get your trucks? I'm still waiting on my bushings from them
Luckily on Friday
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 08, 2019, 01:20:24 PM
I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back

Do you jump down stuff?
I do not jump down stuff, so my axles have it pretty easy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 08, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Do you jump down stuff?
I do not jump down stuff, so my axles have it pretty easy.

Not really anything over waist high.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 08, 2019, 03:46:33 PM
I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back

Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 08, 2019, 03:51:18 PM
Strange man...I beat the shit out of all my trucks and there’s a pretty big drop I ollie off of at my local almost every session and I weigh 210lbs. Never bent an Ace...stage 1 through current. I used to get quite a few loose kingpins though and that’s only happened on Ace’s. Broken a few baseplates as well. Yet to happen on the new ones though, so it seems perhaps their new pours are stronger. Apparently not the axles for many.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WideFeet on May 08, 2019, 05:54:21 PM
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.

What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.

I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 08, 2019, 06:04:31 PM
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.

What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.

I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.

Thanks in advance!

Stock and Krux are the usual go tos. I had even ran the red indy aftermarkets in my ace 55s and they felt really nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 08, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.

What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.

I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.

Thanks in advance!

Stock for sure. There's more break in time than the older ones (and Krux) but once they're broken in they're magic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 08, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 08, 2019, 07:01:07 PM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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what pale light said 100%

I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 08, 2019, 07:18:40 PM
I like how the turn is physically limited by the size of the top washer. Put my 44s on 1/8th risers, 52mm's and stock Indy bushings.. At max lean it's all washer/hangar contact leaving almost a 1/8" between wheel and board..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2019, 08:35:01 PM
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.

What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.

I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.

Thanks in advance!

The current ACE bushings in the 'classics' is all one needs to ever ride in ACE trucks. Period. You will do yourself a disservice by swapping them out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 09, 2019, 12:46:11 AM
how can you tell what 'stage' aces you have?
i've seen 3 versions. there's one with the tapered hanger and only one speedring, then a 'normal' hanger with two speedrings, and of course the latest ones with that are textured
Just felt that this needed to be bumped.
And by the photo of the ones that I got https://www.blue-tomato.com/es-ES/product/Ace-5+75+Mid+44+Eje-393452/?varid=302517442 it seems I got the first ones. Now I'm terrified.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 09, 2019, 01:39:31 AM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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what pale light said 100%
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I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
that sucks, I probably wouldn't give them a third chance either if I was in your shoes. How about film trucks? I'M kinda curious about them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 09, 2019, 04:21:58 AM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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what pale light said 100%
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I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.

Someone on here said that if you put an Indy hanger on an Ace baseplate it rides like an Ace, so there’s always that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on May 09, 2019, 08:09:59 AM
i really don't understand why indy don't just reuse their old geometry. it's a really stupid business move...ACE literally stole indys geometry, and by doing so, they've carved out a portion of the market that previously belonged solely to indy. and what does indy do? they make a worse version of what they had already created years ago. do they WANT to go out of business? do they not see ACE as serious threat? the only thing indy has over ACE is durability, and that's enough of a factor to keep people coming back to indy, so why don't they just get it right? the only reason i could think of is that they're secretly communists or some shit. this is so fucking frustrating grrrrr
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 09, 2019, 09:01:21 AM
the only thing indy has over ACE is durability, and that's enough of a factor to keep people coming back to indy, so why don't they just get it right? the only reason i could think of is that they're secretly communists or some shit. this is so fucking frustrating grrrrr

Indy has a few other things over ACE.  Marketing being one.  They sell a shit ton of shirts. If ACE made more money off cool shirts maybe they could up their quality control.

Indy also has options.  Regular, hollow, hollow forged, titanium.   ACE doesn't have the market share to be able to have that many options.

Indy also has better sizing.   8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75, 9.125.   ACE: 8, 8.38, 9.   Rumor is that ACE will get their act together with that in the next version.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on May 09, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
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the only thing indy has over ACE is durability, and that's enough of a factor to keep people coming back to indy, so why don't they just get it right? the only reason i could think of is that they're secretly communists or some shit. this is so fucking frustrating grrrrr
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Indy has a few other things over ACE.  Marketing being one.  They sell a shit ton of shirts. If ACE made more money off cool shirts maybe they could up their quality control.

Indy also has options.  Regular, hollow, hollow forged, titanium.   ACE doesn't have the market share to be able to have that many options.

Indy also has better sizing.   8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75, 9.125.   ACE: 8, 8.38, 9.   Rumor is that ACE will get their act together with that in the next version.
sorry, i misphrased that a bit. what i meant to say was : the only REAL thing indy has over ace is durability. who cares about marketing? who cares about t shirts aka paying money to be a walking billboard? what core indy/ace rider really cares about having lighter trucks? they'd be riding theeve or thunder at this point. and about the sizing, i'm getting pretty fucking sick of all these retards asking the same exact question about “im riding 8.5s would 44s fit perfectly with no over/under hang?” just get wider wheels or put more inboard washers on or 55s with slimmer wheels and shut the fuck up. i know you think you care about that shit, but once you're actually skating, there is not one thing you could possibly care less about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on May 09, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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what pale light said 100%
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I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
Luckily you can shoot their warranty email address an email and they'll most definitely hook you up, their website says you need to ship the truck and have it inspected and all this bullshit for a return but the one time I've had a problem (with an axle) just shot them an email that basically said "hey I've got this problem with my axle, I don't wanna ship the truck because I have no spares" and attached a couple photos, they responded swiftly saying they'll send me a new truck asap. I had a new truck within a week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 09, 2019, 11:22:47 AM
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I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets

-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger

Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.

-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
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Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've  never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.

If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).


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what pale light said 100%
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I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
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Luckily you can shoot their warranty email address an email and they'll most definitely hook you up, their website says you need to ship the truck and have it inspected and all this bullshit for a return but the one time I've had a problem (with an axle) just shot them an email that basically said "hey I've got this problem with my axle, I don't wanna ship the truck because I have no spares" and attached a couple photos, they responded swiftly saying they'll send me a new truck asap. I had a new truck within a week.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: papo on May 09, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
I rode Indy forever and while it always worked great, since Indy is all i know and i see people are riding other brands, i wonder which other brands are as good or even better. I also ask myself if i should even try something else?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on May 09, 2019, 09:21:01 PM
I rode Indy forever and while it always worked great, since Indy is all i know and i see people are riding other brands, i wonder which other brands are as good or even better. I also ask myself if i should even try something else?
Ace, Venture, and Thunder all are unique and ride very differently. I'd say it's less about what's "better" than Indy, but what you like the most, all are high quality. Aces are super squirrelly and fun which is why I ride them (plus the 8.35's line up perfectly with my 8.38 decks).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on May 09, 2019, 10:05:12 PM
Aces are super squirrelly

Not sure what you mean by "squirrelly". I find that Aces turn deep but are stable and very predictable. You can lean the amount of degrees you want and you can stay in that position if you want to. Thunders are more binary: you are in the center or you are at a full turn; in the other hand, Indys are very unpredictable and wobbling around every time, you have to follow them instead of controlling them. As someone said above, if there was not all of that marketing power, Indys would be out of the game and people would ask instead if they should choose between Aces or Thunders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on May 10, 2019, 01:12:36 AM
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Not sure what you mean by "squirrelly". I find that Aces turn deep but are stable and very predictable. You can lean the amount of degrees you want and you can stay in that position if you want to. Thunders are more binary: you are in the center or you are at a full turn; in the other hand, Indys are very unpredictable and wobbling around every time, you have to follow them instead of controlling them. As someone said above, if there was not all of that marketing power, Indys would be out of the game and people would ask instead if they should choose between Aces or Thunders.
I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 10, 2019, 04:42:27 AM
Idk man I think ace sold off bad stock, knew about it and is playing dumb about it. Little shit, but I'm starting to resent the fact that I've been ignored about faulty bushing replacement. I even offered to pay shipping and get extra stuff on top
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on May 10, 2019, 09:45:58 AM

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I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.

I used to ride tight trucks, but I'm more and more loosening them since a couple of months. No problems with Thunders (team HL) do be ridden loose, however my Indys (8.25 and 8.75) had this wobbling problem. In the 8.75 I tried to swap the stock bushings to the orange conical, and on the 8.25 I put the medium-hard blue barrel, but it didn't help much while ridden loose. That's why when I tried Ace 44s, I was surprised how they were stable, because I was expecting something worse than Indys. I don't think I developed a special skill in one day, I suppose that the stability of Aces come from the new bushings. If you look the video of Ben Degros on youtube, he reviewed the "stage 1" of Ace 44 and he complains that they are very prone to wobbling. I think Ace did a great job on the last version to fix this issue, however it seems that you never know which version you're going to get when you buy them online...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
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Not sure what you mean by "squirrelly". I find that Aces turn deep but are stable and very predictable. You can lean the amount of degrees you want and you can stay in that position if you want to. Thunders are more binary: you are in the center or you are at a full turn; in the other hand, Indys are very unpredictable and wobbling around every time, you have to follow them instead of controlling them. As someone said above, if there was not all of that marketing power, Indys would be out of the game and people would ask instead if they should choose between Aces or Thunders.
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I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.

ACE turn better than any modern truck out, if you have ever ridden them you'd know. To get Indys to turn as fast and as deep as ACE the Indys get wobbly/unstable; Indy's have a much longer arc.

That said, they are not for everyone. ACE (Loose trucks save lives) are designed for a specific purpose, to turn. The (old Indy) geo used forces you to...a similarly tight ACE will still out-turn an equally equipped/tight bushing duro Indy and will be considered, to most, looser.

Theeve are smack in the middle of ACE and Indy, if not just a more responsive Indy clone.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: asbestos on May 10, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
has anyone had the kingpins come loose really quick? a week or two after i got a new set of 44's both the kingpins were wiggly. i'm a loose trucks guy so i actually like it, but it does make me question ace's quality control a little
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on May 10, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
I didn't loosen my Ace when I got them. They were pretty tight the first session, but got nicer and nicer over time. Only truck that I have never touched.

But, I'm liking these V Lights a lot too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on May 10, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Just got an 8.75, and really wanted to skate my Aces but they’re just that tiny bit too small, bummed. What would changing the hangar to an Indy 159 do? Would it skate closer to an Ace or Indy? If it even works hah
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on May 10, 2019, 09:47:07 PM
has anyone had the kingpins come loose really quick? a week or two after i got a new set of 44's both the kingpins were wiggly. i'm a loose trucks guy so i actually like it, but it does make me question ace's quality control a little
yeah, they're the newer designs too. i tried knocking out the kingpins from another set to replace with hollow ones and it was tough so it seems that the quality is still inconsistent. luckily that's the extent of problems i've encountered
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 11, 2019, 06:51:39 PM
Just got an 8.75, and really wanted to skate my Aces but they’re just that tiny bit too small, bummed. What would changing the hangar to an Indy 159 do? Would it skate closer to an Ace or Indy? If it even works hah

I’ve heard it works and skates like Ace. Would like someone to confirm. Please try it and report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 11, 2019, 06:54:44 PM
Is the 8.75 tapered? I’ve got 44s on my Chico big boy shape and don’t think they are too small for it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rolly on June 01, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?

Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on June 01, 2019, 08:24:11 AM
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?

Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.

It's pretty easy to tell if you see both. If you post a picture someone could tell you. The early one's have a way thinner V part of the hangar.

Use auto grease (little goes a long way) on the pivot cups, it lasts way longer than wax or bearing lube.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on June 01, 2019, 08:50:16 AM
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?

Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.

If the version you’re using works for you, why bother?

I’m the opposite where I’ll stock up on older version Incase the changes for whatever reason don’t work out for me. I think however with Ace trucks that any changes made between generations will be minimal at best.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 01, 2019, 11:27:14 PM
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?

Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.
V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 02, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
Some nice copper 55 on my second setup
(https://i.imgur.com/4Zh3ZOyl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WorkClothscape on June 03, 2019, 02:08:53 AM
V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.

Are you sure?

I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.

What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?

They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 03, 2019, 06:15:23 AM
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V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.
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Are you sure?

I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.

What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?

They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.

Same I have v1 two washers. I threw away the stupid mini nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on June 03, 2019, 01:06:35 PM
I'm pretty sure they were on 2 when they did the 3/8 special...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 03, 2019, 11:37:39 PM
I wanna get aces because stranger rides them. Easy bargain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 04, 2019, 02:46:17 AM
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V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.
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Are you sure?

I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.

What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?

They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.
I found that info on this same thread, can't remember the page
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 04, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 04, 2019, 12:46:12 PM
Do they have totally eliminated the "rocker"? My 55s are almost new and the axles have a slightly curvature. It is quite imperceptible, but it is still there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 04, 2019, 02:30:25 PM
Do they have totally eliminated the "rocker"? My 55s are almost new and the axles have a slightly curvature. It is quite imperceptible, but it is still there.

The rocker shape is still present from what I can see, it's just significantly less (ML has it, Thunder has it) it's just really subtle and different per manufacturer where the taper starts.

It's the extra metal/meat on the hanger that's gone - that made the rocker look more pronounced leading people to think they were bent (even tho most were lol).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 04, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Ok thanks.
But actually I think the axle is also bent for both trucks. I have F4 conical fulls, and if I force a wheel to be totally horizontal on the floor, it will lift the opposite wheel by a few mms. This means that if I ride straight, I'm not rolling on the full contact surface, just on about 1/3 of the wheel. However, if I take a deep turn, because both trucks turn inward, it will put both wheels on their full contact surface. I guess it's a technique on big trucks to give more stability when carving? Or is it totally random?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 04, 2019, 04:28:19 PM
No
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WorkClothscape on June 04, 2019, 10:20:45 PM
Ok thanks.
But actually I think the axle is also bent for both trucks. I have F4 conical fulls, and if I force a wheel to be totally horizontal on the floor, it will lift the opposite wheel by a few mms. This means that if I ride straight, I'm not rolling on the full contact surface, just on about 1/3 of the wheel. However, if I take a deep turn, because both trucks turn inward, it will put both wheels on their full contact surface. I guess it's a technique on big trucks to give more stability when carving? Or is it totally random?

Are your wheels brand new? If not, they usually wear out faster at the outer edges. So if the riding surface is level with the floor, the rest of the wheel is not totally horizontal forcing the other side of the truck up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 04, 2019, 10:42:04 PM
Yep they were new, that's why I was puzzled with this axle bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 05, 2019, 12:49:23 AM
V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.
I guess these are V3 right?
(https://i.imgur.com/yMOHOQZl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 05, 2019, 01:31:03 AM
I just ordered a Zip Zinger from Tactics (one of my favorite shapes ever even for a non cruiser) with Ace 22s and some Krux bushings as I remember everyone raving about that combo but now I’ve read the thread more and everyone is saying that now  Ace bushings are better than Krux and the old stock.

I know I don’t have it yet but should I run the Krux or the Aces?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 05, 2019, 02:37:38 AM
I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 05, 2019, 02:46:54 AM
I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.
Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 05, 2019, 03:45:57 AM
I don't think so, is always good to have spare bushings just in case. Specially if you need specific ones like on Ace case.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on June 05, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
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Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?

You probably did. Krux bushings were only a thing for the previous versions because they are slightly smaller (especially the top) and would allow for looser setup at same nut position. The new Ace bushings are softer so you get a better/looser turn right off the bat, but if you want that wobble that smaller bushings can give then maybe try the Krux. I would just use the Krux top and still Ace bottom though.

The new Ace bushings also have a better urethane formula (less plasticky) than most bushings of the same duro. Only thing close in my opinion is the Thunder 90a. I have tried the Ace bottom bushings in all my trucks (krux, thunder, tensor) and it has been a better feel every time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 05, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
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V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.


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I guess these are V3 right?
(https://i.imgur.com/yMOHOQZl.jpg)

Yes it looks like it because of the flat hanger
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on June 05, 2019, 09:44:40 AM

I know I don’t have it yet but should I run the Krux or the Aces?

I had read those things as well.  I bought some Krux trucks and the bottom bushings blew off the boardside washer before I left the garage leaving the deck sitting at an angle.  I re-seated it and it happened again.  Same thing happened when I bought Ace 66s.  Didn't happen with Indy, Thunder, Mini Logo or Royal.   I gave away the Krux truckx because they turn for shit and am running Mini Logo medium bushings in the Ace because that's what I had in the garage and they don't blow out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 05, 2019, 05:38:35 PM
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I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.
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Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?
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You probably did. Krux bushings were only a thing for the previous versions because they are slightly smaller (especially the top) and would allow for looser setup at same nut position. The new Ace bushings are softer so you get a better/looser turn right off the bat, but if you want that wobble that smaller bushings can give then maybe try the Krux. I would just use the Krux top and still Ace bottom though.

The new Ace bushings also have a better urethane formula (less plasticky) than most bushings of the same duro. Only thing close in my opinion is the Thunder 90a. I have tried the Ace bottom bushings in all my trucks (krux, thunder, tensor) and it has been a better feel every time.
Thanks. I probably won’t use the Krux since I like loose but without wobble.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 05, 2019, 06:04:49 PM
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V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.
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I guess these are V3 right?
(https://i.imgur.com/yMOHOQZl.jpg)
nope those are v2. the hanger shape on v3 is more angular/bulky.
v3 hanger
(https://i.imgur.com/T5i5g2E.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 05, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
v1
(https://i.imgur.com/drIePyG.jpg)
v2
(https://i.imgur.com/VhxNj9F.jpg)
v3
(https://i.imgur.com/BWnIk3l.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 05, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
So Ace says only the 44/55/66 got an overhaul so I’m guess the 22s I have still have the old design/rock hard bushings?

Maybe it was good I got the Krux bushings then.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 06, 2019, 12:42:02 PM
Got the aces and they appear to have the new bushings and you guys were right. They are some of the highest quality bushings on the market and even right away these aces turn like a dream. As quick as a thunder but with actual stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 06, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Maybe it's me getting used to loose trucks, but I have the feeling that these bushings get harder over time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on June 06, 2019, 03:07:32 PM
They definitely get more firm/stable after a sesh or two. I think I cranked mine a 1/4 turn after stock and they were fine. Not wobbly or too loose at all. My copper ones are tilted to one side tho even after a bunch of sessions. I spun the bushings around trying to fix it so hopefully that will help.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM
Maybe it's me getting used to loose trucks, but I have the feeling that these bushings get harder over time.
I share that feeling
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 06, 2019, 11:53:49 PM
Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 07, 2019, 12:07:09 AM
They definitely get more firm/stable after a sesh or two. I think I cranked mine a 1/4 turn after stock and they were fine. Not wobbly or too loose at all. My copper ones are tilted to one side tho even after a bunch of sessions. I spun the bushings around trying to fix it so hopefully that will help.
When I’m breaking new trucks in I always swap them front to back and vice versa after few sessions, to avoid that tilting. If you want to do it without mounting ur trucks of remember to swap pivot cups with bushings too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: schralp pal on June 07, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables

Just switched to ace (about a month ago) after 5 years on thunder and this is my experience, I didn’t touch the kingpin nut and within 2-3 sessions they felt perfect. It was like I was denying myself flow and elongating my WB for no reason with thunders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on June 08, 2019, 04:40:15 AM
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Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables
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Just switched to ace (about a month ago) after 5 years on thunder and this is my experience, I didn’t touch the kingpin nut and within 2-3 sessions they felt perfect. It was like I was denying myself flow and elongating my WB for no reason with thunders.

That’s the one thing that got me when I changed from Thunders to Ace: the wheelbase.
 I suddenly went from being able to pick any 8.5 off the wall to only being able to skate a 14.75 wb, to replicate the long wheelbase to which Thunders had me accustomed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 08, 2019, 06:08:17 PM
When I first changed over to thunders I did so on a board with 14.75 wheelbase and while it was fun as fuck to cruise on, my timing/ pop/ flick turned to absolute shit!
Now I’m on Chico’s board on aces and while
I could probably go up to 14.25, I think I’ve found my sweet spot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 10, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
After deciding I want a symmetrical shaped deck, I'm tired to always wonder about wb, so I've pulled the trigger. I got ace 44 v3 incoming these days. I'm hyped and for the first time I'm gonna leave them stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 10, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
I like mine on 14.5 wb's ^
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 12, 2019, 11:39:02 PM
Browsing insta and I came across this:
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So, it probably might happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 12, 2019, 11:48:00 PM
Honestly I hope they keep the 44s tho, allows you to ride anything from a 8.25 - 8.75 without having to buy new trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 13, 2019, 12:20:28 AM
Also a lot of people love Ace because it is very different from everything else and it makes you feel that you don't follow the herd. It's like being a Apple user in the 90es.
So if they stop the 44s and 55s sizes to join the classical 8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75, I'm not sure it's a wise strategic move.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 13, 2019, 02:06:51 AM
I mainly ride 8.38” decks and I think I’d prefer a 8.5” truck or even a 8.625”, maybe even 8.75” cuz 8.5” decks are cool too.

Aces having more axle sticking out than other trucks makes them a bit more versatile I guess. Can push the wheels out a bit with extra washers. 🤔

Anyway, I have 4 sets of 44s to go through before I need new trucks, so I don’t think I’ll be buying the 8.5” Aces straight away at least unless I suddenly start to absolutely wreck trucks.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on June 13, 2019, 08:17:00 AM
A size between 44 and 55 is very wise. If they make an 8.75 or even an 8 5/8", many people will be happy. I'm guessing it will be 8.75"

I hope Fred Gall starts riding Ace in 2020.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 14, 2019, 10:20:10 AM
Honestly I hope they keep the 44s tho, allows you to ride anything from a 8.25 - 8.75 without having to buy new trucks

I’m just going to stockpile some 44s jic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dustwardprez on June 14, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Also some v2 came with axle nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 16, 2019, 07:15:18 AM
After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on June 16, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...

By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 16, 2019, 08:56:27 AM
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After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
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By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?

Haha. True true. Loosen your shit up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 16, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
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After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
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By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
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Haha. True true. Loosen your shit up.

They broke in half...I didn't touch them, left them stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 16, 2019, 03:19:58 PM
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After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
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By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
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Haha. True true. Loosen your shit up.
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They broke in half...I didn't touch them, left them stock.
pics or it didn't happen
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 16, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
Post about ordering new bushings
Post when you order them
Post when you receive them in the mail
Post when you put them in
Post when you stand on them
Post after your first day using them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 16, 2019, 03:27:28 PM
Intense...I must admit the only squashed out and made a cut. Must buy some new bushings anyways, too soft.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on June 16, 2019, 06:35:38 PM
I bought some 55s last month and agree the new bushings are very soft. Significantly softer than 44s from over a year ago. While I didn’t slice mine, tightening nor loosening didn’t make much difference at all when reaching wheelbite and kept getting unseated from the washer. Indy/bones hard bushings worked much better for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 16, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
Happened to me on my first session on the new 44s, they harden up though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 16, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
I agree that they come too tight from the factory. Mine had the nuts 2mm under the kingpin end, and it was making an annoying squeaking noise, suggesting that there was too much stress on the bushings. I removed the nuts and tightened them just enough so that the steel cup will not move up and down when I turn. Basically it corresponds to the nuts a little bit higher than the kingpin end. It was nice, but after a couple of sessions the bushings got harder, so I had to adjust about 1/2 turn left on the nuts to get back that nice loose feeling. Since that time, I have the same constant feeling session after session, which I truly appreciate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on June 17, 2019, 07:02:36 AM
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After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
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By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?

Mine popped out from the bottom washer before I made it out of the garage. Had to replace them to skate the first session
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on June 17, 2019, 07:28:19 AM
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After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
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By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
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Mine popped out from the bottom washer before I made it out of the garage. Had to replace them to skate the first session

A lot of people have this problem apparently. Never happened on my Ace. It did happen when I used them on my Krux with the Krux washers, but it fixed itself when I used the Ace washers. I wonder if you could sand or razor off the edges so they have a bevel or something? If you could find larger washers I'm sure it would work, but what a pain. Damn shame.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 17, 2019, 09:58:25 AM
Or you could just....skate them.
It sucks they broke, that IS wack. My bad for assuming you’d just cranked them down. I loosened mine when I got them and just cruised around till they broke in.
Old trucks with crumbly bushings can be lovely. You have a head start.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 17, 2019, 12:38:34 PM
Happened to me on my first session on the new 44s, they harden up though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 17, 2019, 08:59:27 PM
I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.

Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 17, 2019, 09:51:45 PM
I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.

Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 18, 2019, 03:06:12 AM
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I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.

Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
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stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.

Stock or the ones that come with the cylinder  bushings. The washers that come with conical bushings are too small.

Back when I bought my Ace replacement bushings they didn’t come with washers. All the same though as I really don’t like the Ace washers.

I think I have a mix of Ace trucks V1, V2 & V3. Not much of a difference in them IMO except the set I’ve skated the least (probably V2 with the stupid axle nuts) still have the stock washers and bushings and they aren’t nearly as loose as the two sets of what I think are V3 with stock bushings and Indy washers and the two sets which I think are V1 with 3+ year old replacement bushings and Indy washers.

Breaking in the replacement bushings was quite a chore. Breaking in the trucks I think are V3s wasn’t nearly as bad but breaking in the V2s with the stupid axle nuts has been really fucking difficult at least with the stock washers. Not sure how much changing to thinner washers would help.

I keep all my trucks as loose as possible with the nut still keeping on without trouble.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 18, 2019, 04:00:52 AM
 It would be great if somebody from Ace could share some chart regarding their versions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 18, 2019, 05:23:47 AM
Anybody tried 8.5 on 55?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 18, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.

Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?

Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?

I do really enjoy ace. I like that they are very different in their turn. I’m not sure it equates to me skating ‘better’ (at this point skating better means being able to land about 3 tricks: kickflip, switchflip, 3flip), but pushing around is fun. It’s a lot of wiggling tho. Concerned about too much extra sauce. Much like this post.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 18, 2019, 12:01:18 PM
The kingpin nut of my front truck is grinded to a point where there is not so much steel and it is just holding with the interior plastic part. I've seen on SoCal Skate Shop that Independent and Modus are selling kingpin nuts separately but with no dimensions given, and Shortys and Khiro are also selling kingpin nuts with the specification that they are 3/8".
Anyone knows what is the difference and which one will work on Aces trucks? It's tricky because, as said above, washers may seem to be a stupid steel cup but they come with very subtle differences depending on the trucks, so maybe a stupid nut can also mess up everything ....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 18, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
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I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.

Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
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stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.
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Stock or the ones that come with the cylinder  bushings. The washers that come with conical bushings are too small.

Back when I bought my Ace replacement bushings they didn’t come with washers. All the same though as I really don’t like the Ace washers.

I think I have a mix of Ace trucks V1, V2 & V3. Not much of a difference in them IMO except the set I’ve skated the least (probably V2 with the stupid axle nuts) still have the stock washers and bushings and they aren’t nearly as loose as the two sets of what I think are V3 with stock bushings and Indy washers and the two sets which I think are V1 with 3+ year old replacement bushings and Indy washers.

Breaking in the replacement bushings was quite a chore. Breaking in the trucks I think are V3s wasn’t nearly as bad but breaking in the V2s with the stupid axle nuts has been really fucking difficult at least with the stock washers. Not sure how much changing to thinner washers would help.

I keep all my trucks as loose as possible with the nut still keeping on without trouble.
Did you buy those V2’s from RCM? Bc I was having a debate with my friend just the other day about those, he said that he never saw those here but I was 100% that RCM had them, I remember to wonder about those stupid axle nuts there...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 18, 2019, 12:20:46 PM
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.

Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?

Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?

I do really enjoy ace. I like that they are very different in their turn. I’m not sure it equates to me skating ‘better’ (at this point skating better means being able to land about 3 tricks: kickflip, switchflip, 3flip), but pushing around is fun. It’s a lot of wiggling tho. Concerned about too much extra sauce. Much like this post.
My friend skates 03’s on 8” and they feel perfectly fine, not as turny as my 44’s but they feel kinda like home coming to me, as I skated most of my lifetime narrow low trucks ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 18, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
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I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.

Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
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stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.
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Stock or the ones that come with the cylinder  bushings. The washers that come with conical bushings are too small.

Back when I bought my Ace replacement bushings they didn’t come with washers. All the same though as I really don’t like the Ace washers.

I think I have a mix of Ace trucks V1, V2 & V3. Not much of a difference in them IMO except the set I’ve skated the least (probably V2 with the stupid axle nuts) still have the stock washers and bushings and they aren’t nearly as loose as the two sets of what I think are V3 with stock bushings and Indy washers and the two sets which I think are V1 with 3+ year old replacement bushings and Indy washers.

Breaking in the replacement bushings was quite a chore. Breaking in the trucks I think are V3s wasn’t nearly as bad but breaking in the V2s with the stupid axle nuts has been really fucking difficult at least with the stock washers. Not sure how much changing to thinner washers would help.

I keep all my trucks as loose as possible with the nut still keeping on without trouble.
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Did you buy those V2’s from RCM? Bc I was having a debate with my friend just the other day about those, he said that he never saw those here but I was 100% that RCM had them, I remember to wonder about those stupid axle nuts there...

Nah. I think I bought them from Union Five. Replaced the nuts straight away. Fuck those nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Androoskie on June 18, 2019, 06:21:49 PM
been skating aces for a minute and had a few pair and noticed the first ones i bought were prolly the best. maybe just nostalgia or w/e.

never saw any bent ones, i always thought the slight bend was part of the design lol.

but the aces i have right now are kinda wondy, the axel on the left hand side is def longer than the right side.

i dont mind it to much tho honestly, just wish the board i had those og aces i bought never got stolen lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 18, 2019, 11:11:46 PM
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.

Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?

Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?
On CPH he was skating Ace. You can tell on a Nike SB clip on their IG
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on June 18, 2019, 11:36:36 PM
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.

Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?

Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?

I do really enjoy ace. I like that they are very different in their turn. I’m not sure it equates to me skating ‘better’ (at this point skating better means being able to land about 3 tricks: kickflip, switchflip, 3flip), but pushing around is fun. It’s a lot of wiggling tho. Concerned about too much extra sauce. Much like this post.

On the list of riders here, along with his old man,

https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 18, 2019, 11:54:52 PM
kingpin nuts with the specification that they are 3/8".


How the fuck does that work? i thought ace doing 3/8 axle nuts were a stretch, theres no way a kingpin nut can be that small
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 19, 2019, 12:29:11 AM
How the fuck does that work? i thought ace doing 3/8 axle nuts were a stretch, theres no way a kingpin nut can be that small

I'm not familiar with the inches system, so I was not aware that 3/8 is very small.
I guess I have to thank you to avoid me buying a weird kingpin nut...
I will go with a very classical Independent, I suppose it's "standard".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on June 19, 2019, 02:09:15 AM
All kingpin nuts are the same size, brand doesn't matter
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on June 19, 2019, 07:27:10 AM
Problem solved, I put independent red bushings on the bottom, with ace top, so far so good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 19, 2019, 11:06:34 AM
Speaking of AO
(https://i.imgur.com/2iHspFel.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 20, 2019, 02:29:32 AM
Speaking of AO
(https://i.imgur.com/2iHspFel.jpg)
haha the bottom bushings look like theyre popped out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 20, 2019, 09:03:09 PM
been skating aces for a minute and had a few pair and noticed the first ones i bought were prolly the best. maybe just nostalgia or w/e.

never saw any bent ones, i always thought the slight bend was part of the design lol.

but the aces i have right now are kinda wondy, the axel on the left hand side is def longer than the right side.

i dont mind it to much tho honestly, just wish the board i had those og aces i bought never got stolen lol

Just got a set of ace 55’s, both of them have the uneven axle length. The axle nut barely gets on the shorter side. I’m with you though, the performance is worth putting up with the imperfections
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on June 21, 2019, 04:29:19 AM
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been skating aces for a minute and had a few pair and noticed the first ones i bought were prolly the best. maybe just nostalgia or w/e.

never saw any bent ones, i always thought the slight bend was part of the design lol.

but the aces i have right now are kinda wondy, the axel on the left hand side is def longer than the right side.

i dont mind it to much tho honestly, just wish the board i had those og aces i bought never got stolen lol
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Just got a set of ace 55’s, both of them have the uneven axle length. The axle nut barely gets on the shorter side. I’m with you though, the performance is worth putting up with the imperfections

Had the same issue with 55's before.  I had to buy 3 sets, pick the two trucks that had the most even axles and return the others.  so annoying
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 21, 2019, 04:50:09 AM
Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44  >:(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2019, 11:06:41 AM
Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44  >:(

Really?? It’s so similar....maybe ace is not for you. I’m riding some 44s now. The turn and no wheelbite is dope. The combo of big wheels and 44s on an 8 is not hot tho. 33 time
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 21, 2019, 12:00:02 PM
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Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44  >:(
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Really?? It’s so similar....maybe ace is not for you. I’m riding some 44s now. The turn and no wheelbite is dope. The combo of big wheels and 44s on an 8 is not hot tho. 33 time
Maybe, idk but since I skate those I've been struggling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on June 21, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
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Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44  >:(
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Really?? It’s so similar....maybe ace is not for you. I’m riding some 44s now. The turn and no wheelbite is dope. The combo of big wheels and 44s on an 8 is not hot tho. 33 time
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Maybe, idk but since I skate those I've been struggling.

I struggled on Ace at first, as I had come from Thunders and my wheelbase was suddenly half an inch shorter (14.25 rode like 13.75!). I started riding a long wheelbase (14.75) and everything was back to normal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 21, 2019, 07:48:24 PM
Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44  >:(

I switched from Indy 149s to Ace 44s on 8.5” deck and didn’t even notice the difference in width. What I did notice was how much better they turned and how much further they grind. Indy’s are still great trucks though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 21, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
The no wheel bite factor is so good too!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
I’ve been running 55’s on my 9” popsicle for the last couple months and it’s been heaven. Started with 1/8” risers since I weigh around 210lbs and skate very loose, but was still getting wheelbite. Yesterday I threw on some 1/4” hard plastic Pig risers and I can turn so deep. The 58.35mm height doesn’t feel too tall, and my pop is a lot better. I just hate looking down and seeing those thick plastic pucks under my trucks but oh well.

I’m not a fan of the new stock Ace bushings, and I’ve learned any type of cup washer is very limiting for turns, even with a conical bushing. I’m running really beat up and broken in Bones mediums with the flat Bones washer underneath the bottom bushing, and no top washer at all. Lastly, my axles are also uneven like many of you are saying. It’s annoying but doesn’t affect the performance so I just roll with it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on June 21, 2019, 11:04:28 PM
I’ve been running 55’s on my 9” popsicle for the last couple months and it’s been heaven. Started with 1/8” risers since I weigh around 210lbs and skate very loose, but was still getting wheelbite. Yesterday I threw on some 1/4” hard plastic Pig risers and I can turn so deep. The 58.35” height doesn’t feel too tall, and my pop is a lot better. I just hate looking down and seeing those thick plastic pucks under my trucks but oh well.

I’m not a fan of the new stock Ace bushings, and I’ve learned any type of cup washer is very limiting for turns, even with a conical bushing. I’m running really beat up and broken in Bones mediums with the flat Bones washer underneath the bottom bushing, and no top washer at all. Lastly, my axles are also uneven like many of you are saying. It’s annoying but doesn’t affect the performance so I just roll with it.
what size wheels? im running 169s with 60s on a 9 inch polar popsicle with 1/4 risers and it's a bit wheel bitey but adding another 1/8 makes the board feel weird...not unstable but just weird.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2019, 11:34:33 PM
I had to edit my post, you quoting it made me realize I had my truck height description at 58.35” instead of millimeters lol. I run 55mm wheels that are probably 54mm now. 1/4” risers with 1/8” stacked and using 60mm wheels is tallllll. Damn, that’s crazy.

It’s harder for me to dial in trucks being heavier than most. Harder bushings limit the turn too much, softer goes straight to wheelbite. The combo I described is the best I’ve found. The yellow cores are starting to crack but I’m just rolling with it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2019, 08:24:27 AM
The no wheel bite factor is so good too!

I think this is one of the strongest ACE positives: lack of wheelbites. Venture hi’s are very difficult for me to wheelbite as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 22, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
I can get my 44s to wheelbite with 54 mm wheels no problem. Easier than Krux or Venture but the thing about Ace wheelbite is that it’s so predictable that you know exactly when it’s gonna come and thus rarely ends up pitching you. Still, Indys and Thumders IMO wheelbite much easier and what’s worse is that it kinda happens all of a sudden in those. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on June 25, 2019, 10:14:35 AM
Max Palmer on Ace now, just got welcomed through their instagram page

Anyways, I'm loving my 44's stock and the bushings definitely hardened up but the geometry still lends a really great turn. Gonna run these till they're crumbly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on June 25, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
I somehow get the least wheelbite with Thunders, most with Indy, and Venture is up there as well
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on June 25, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
Max Palmer on Ace now, just got welcomed through their instagram page

Anyways, I'm loving my 44's stock and the bushings definitely hardened up but the geometry still lends a really great turn. Gonna run these till they're crumbly

This makes all kinds of sense. Glad to see Ace picking up riders like Max.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TooManyPros on June 25, 2019, 08:44:03 PM
If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on June 25, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.
  52s with 1/8 inch risers you could ride hella loose with no wheel bite.  I ride 52s with no risers loose and get wheelbite pretty rarely.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on June 25, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.

I think he meant that you don't get insta-wheelbite when you turn because it's not linearly loose from center to max turn. It's like the trucks are loose for 90% of the turn, you start to get a significant resistance only in the last 10%, if that make sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 25, 2019, 11:56:21 PM
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I think he meant that you don't get insta-wheelbite when you turn because it's not linearly loose from center to max turn. It's like the trucks are loose for 90% of the turn, you start to get a significant resistance only in the last 10%, if that make sense.

Pretty much. If you cannot get wheelbite the trucks are fucked up. Ace does not bite as easily as others, even though it’s not as high as many. Never skated the lows, imagine they bite easily. Headed back to 33s. Also possibly looking for 1st gen. I don’t need my shit to last forever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on June 28, 2019, 11:29:30 AM
Has the kingpin clearance improved significantly at all since V1? That's what I'm on right now and I love the turning, but I'm getting to that point where the kingping is getting hung up on shit repeatedly from grinding the hanger down. From what I've seen with the revisions are strictly to the hanger (which looks beefier so maybe there's a few added mils of extra space?), but the baseplate and kingpin seem unchanged from what I've read.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on June 28, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
Has the kingpin clearance improved significantly at all since V1?
Yes, the kingpin is shorter. I knocked them out to replace with Thunder hollow kingpins (which are significantly lower than Ace stage 1 kingpins) only to find out that the difference in length is negligible.
I'm getting to that point where the kingping is getting hung up on shit repeatedly from grinding the hanger down.
Still better than brand new Thunders  :D.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on June 28, 2019, 09:12:11 PM
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Yes, the kingpin is shorter. I knocked them out to replace with Thunder hollow kingpins (which are significantly lower than Ace stage 1 kingpins) only to find out that the difference in length is negligible.
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Still better than brand new Thunders  :D.

Thanks man, appreciate the info, about how significant is the difference? Don't need like exact measurements or anything just curious since I'm considering upgrading to the newer revisions at some point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on June 29, 2019, 10:46:28 PM
Thanks man, appreciate the info, about how significant is the difference? Don't need like exact measurements or anything just curious since I'm considering upgrading to the newer revisions at some point.
Putting the new kingpin side-by-side with the old one, it's a night and day difference. Although when the truck is put together, it doesn't look like there's a whole bunch of kingpin clearance. I've not experienced any serious hangups, though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on June 29, 2019, 11:50:56 PM
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Putting the new kingpin side-by-side with the old one, it's a night and day difference. Although when the truck is put together, it doesn't look like there's a whole bunch of kingpin clearance. I've not experienced any serious hangups, though.

Beauty, thanks man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on June 30, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
I skate 44 and 55 for cruiser and they feels great. I just had to superglue all of the kingpin nuts cos they kept loosening and falling off. That's more like when loose trucks end up lives I guess.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WorkClothscape on July 02, 2019, 05:17:44 AM
I skate 44 and 55 for cruiser and they feels great. I just had to superglue all of the kingpin nuts cos they kept loosening and falling off. That's more like when loose trucks end up lives I guess.

My Ace 66's came with a very poor quality locking nut. There was a tiny amount of nylon on the very top of the nut. Replaced it after the first time the hanger fell off.

Maybe you had the same issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on July 02, 2019, 10:23:47 AM
^Yup, seems pretty common 'cos each of those 4 nuts had the same problem. 44 came also with those stupid small axel nuts with same problem, replacing helped. Pretty ridiculous quality problems but still can't see myself going back to Indy/Thunders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 06, 2019, 02:23:39 PM
Trucks were sounding a bit odd today and I checked the pivot cups as everything else seemed to be ok and they were looking like this (old one on the right):
(https://i.ibb.co/R7wXw8r/IMG-1552.jpg)

Torn to shreds. Thankfully I had an extra set of Ace pivot cups on me to replace them with before I made my mag plates gape for all eternity.

Anyway. Are the Ace replacement cups gonna get torn the same way? I was looking at the Riptide pivot cups but they cost 14 dollars plus 15 dollars to send them to Finland. Paying almost 30 dollars for pivot cups seems a bit excessive. If anyone knows a place with cheaper shipping to Europe, I might be willing to give them a shot if they're really worth it. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 06, 2019, 03:19:29 PM
I’ve ripped the newer Ace cups and riptides from slappies. No pivot cup is immune to destruction. Therefore, go for the replacement Ace cups and save your money.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 06, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
Cool. Thanks. Ace pivot cups are less than 5€ from my local so I can get like 5 sets of those for the price of Riptides and I can support the local instead of some longboarding company.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Yewwman on July 07, 2019, 03:33:44 AM
Thinking about getting a pair of aces, coming from indy 159’s,  should i go with 55s or 66s? I ride 8.75”-9” popsicles and wider wheels(F4 conical full, OJ mini combo etc.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 07, 2019, 04:49:19 AM
Cool. Thanks. Ace pivot cups are less than 5€ from my local so I can get like 5 sets of those for the price of Riptides and I can support the local instead of some longboarding company.  :)

I will say, Riptides do offer a better feel when dialed in with your favorite bushings. And they never squeak throughout their life span.

Thinking about getting a pair of aces, coming from indy 159’s,  should i go with 55s or 66s? I ride 8.75”-9” popsicles and wider wheels(F4 conical full, OJ mini combo etc.)

55’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 07, 2019, 05:18:04 AM
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Cool. Thanks. Ace pivot cups are less than 5€ from my local so I can get like 5 sets of those for the price of Riptides and I can support the local instead of some longboarding company.  :)
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I will say, Riptides do offer a better feel when dialed in with your favorite bushings. And they never squeak throughout their life span.

I am very happy with stock Aces. These pivot cups got thrashed somewhat quick but I’m alright with that. I’ve had truck madness before and am still in recovery so I’ll try to avoid any unnecessary tweaks. With that said, I really want to give Krux kingpins a shot. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2019, 08:27:45 AM
I want 55s and mags
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 09, 2019, 10:28:01 AM
I want 55s and mags
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Post by: Ok on July 09, 2019, 11:46:19 AM
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Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: wurfnnjs on July 16, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
New 55s. Debating taking some parts off, like the washers, or shaving down the bushings. Suggestions?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on July 16, 2019, 07:13:04 PM
New 55s. Debating taking some parts off, like the washers, or shaving down the bushings. Suggestions?

Shave down top bushings, or get ACE low bushings and use the tops.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on July 16, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
New 55s. Debating taking some parts off, like the washers, or shaving down the bushings. Suggestions?
try skating them stock first
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 08:51:19 PM
How are 44’s on an 8”? Am I right in saying you can run no inside washer because of the hangar shape?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on July 16, 2019, 08:58:33 PM
How are 44’s on an 8”? Am I right in saying you can run no inside washer because of the hangar shape?

From what I've seen and used, the minimum for 44's is/should be 8.25

Tried a 8.125 and wasn't feeling it at all
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 16, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
could probably get away with them on a 8.18 but yeah, 8.25 and up for the most part
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 16, 2019, 09:20:43 PM
Measured a bunch of 54 mm Spitfires on Ace 44s with one washer on the inside. Wheels are exactly flush at 8". How it skates on an 8" I wouldn't know as I haven't skated anything that small in ages.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on July 17, 2019, 12:05:00 AM
How are 44’s on an 8”? Am I right in saying you can run no inside washer because of the hangar shape?

No prob at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 17, 2019, 08:07:55 AM
Did this recently, and while it didn’t work, I think it was more about me and the board not getting along
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on July 17, 2019, 09:00:14 AM
Impulse bought the an 8", they fit fine! Used to run 56mm Conical Fulls which i think would have been problematic but I've just switched up to 53 classics and the wheels are perfectly flush, how I like it. One washer on the inside, may take it out if I feel the need to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on July 27, 2019, 12:33:53 AM
How heavy are 55s compared to 44s? I have two pairs of the latter but might try to trade one so I can keep skating wider boards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 27, 2019, 05:24:19 AM
I have them on my 9” and they feel pretty normal. Not too heavy or light, but someone else would probably think they’re 50lbs dumbbells so it’s all pretty subjective.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on July 29, 2019, 02:15:24 AM
55's are 407.2 grams
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on July 30, 2019, 02:04:28 PM
Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on July 30, 2019, 02:13:33 PM
44s on an 8.5 won’t be a magic carpet ride. But I did not like how 44s felt at all. I love 55s on 8.75 and up, they are just heavy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on July 30, 2019, 02:58:33 PM
Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.

Skating ventures right now but did the 44s on 8.5 for a while. It's fine, especially if you put two or more washers on the inside side of the wheel since the axles are decently long.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on July 30, 2019, 03:05:20 PM
Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.

(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quPO2qC.jpg)
Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was

Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on July 30, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
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Skating ventures right now but did the 44s on 8.5 for a while. It's fine, especially if you put two or more washers on the inside side of the wheel since the axles are decently long.
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Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quPO2qC.jpg)
Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was

Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate
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44s on an 8.5 won’t be a magic carpet ride. But I did not like how 44s felt at all. I love 55s on 8.75 and up, they are just heavy.
Exactly the feedback I needed. Thanks you guys!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on July 31, 2019, 12:36:51 AM
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Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.
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Skating ventures right now but did the 44s on 8.5 for a while. It's fine, especially if you put two or more washers on the inside side of the wheel since the axles are decently long.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quPO2qC.jpg)
Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was

Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate
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44s on an 8.5 won’t be a magic carpet ride. But I did not like how 44s felt at all. I love 55s on 8.75 and up, they are just heavy.
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Exactly the feedback I needed. Thanks you guys!
I second that. I didn't liked 44 on 8.5 and 55 just didn't worked for me, when I saw down my board it felt like Frankenstein neck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 31, 2019, 12:50:29 AM
I have 44s on an 8.75 (with taper) and it's fine imho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on July 31, 2019, 12:59:57 AM
Wow I feel famous haha. Yeah I've only ridden 44s on 8.5s or bigger with the exception of one board. Currently have two pairs which are both on 8.75s and I'm still a fan. 8.5 is the optimal size for 44s imo, but it's worth noting that no matter how wide your board is they're still gonna be turn-y (not squirrely though unless you loosen em like that).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on July 31, 2019, 06:45:56 AM
I’ve skated 44’s on 8.25”, 8.38” and 8.5” and everything felt just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on August 08, 2019, 08:17:22 PM
Been off my Ace 44 for a few months due to trying new stuff... back again after buying an 8.38. In the time I had these chilling - I had riptide pivot cups come in for them. I'm pretty light so I don't chew my bushings up, but is it worth changing the pivot cups for the riptides if i have them? I've never used aftermarket pivots so not sure if I will see a noticeable change with these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 08, 2019, 08:45:48 PM
Been off my Ace 44 for a few months due to trying new stuff... back again after buying an 8.38. In the time I had these chilling - I had riptide pivot cups come in for them. I'm pretty light so I don't chew my bushings up, but is it worth changing the pivot cups for the riptides if i have them? I've never used aftermarket pivots so not sure if I will see a noticeable change with these.
in the real world, not really. in the world of SLAP it will make a massive difference to your trucks and the way they ride
honestly, I wouldn't change them unless you really need to, but then again I like my trucks as stock and as hassle free as possible...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Water is Nice on August 09, 2019, 12:28:09 AM
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Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find
I have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.
A shop in Sweden has them 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on August 09, 2019, 01:57:10 AM
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Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find
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I have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.
A shop in Sweden has them

Link please
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Water is Nice on August 09, 2019, 05:11:44 AM
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Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find
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I have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.
A shop in Sweden has them
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Link please
Im so sorry just looked it up now and they are gone
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Yewwman on August 15, 2019, 03:54:55 PM
Just got some 55s (small axle nuts so not the v3’s right?) and the bushings are mad hard and they wont turn even after couple sessions.
 I have some leftover aftermarket indy medium(blue ones) and bones hard bushings so should i try my luck with those or give the original bushings a chance?
They dont really sell krux over here so getting the krux bushings feels like a struggle lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 15, 2019, 05:31:30 PM
I'd order new stock ace bushings/pivot cups if I could
Are you from the distant lands?

Anything would work, but you get the full experience with fresh all stock parts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 15, 2019, 06:26:36 PM
I’m not a fan of the new stock/aftermarket Ace bushings. They have this skip/click during the turn and my hanger will get kinda stuck lopsided frequently. I tried two sets in case one was a defect. And I skated each set for a few days to break them in.

Bones with the bottom Ace washer will keep a mostly proper geo and allow them to turn better than those hard V2 bushings. I personally like to use Bones mediums with the flat washers for the bottom and top bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 15, 2019, 07:06:05 PM
Break. Them. In. Bushings need a good few solid sessions to start to feel right. Ace stocks are the best.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2019, 07:31:55 PM
Break. Them. In. Bushings need a good few solid sessions to start to feel right. Ace stocks are the best.

+100
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on August 15, 2019, 09:07:54 PM
They have this skip/click during the turn and my hanger will get kinda stuck lopsided frequently.

I've noticed this too. Quite annoying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on August 15, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
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+100

And don't tighten the kingpin nuts. As long as the top washer stops moving up and down, that's enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 16, 2019, 12:46:10 AM
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+100
this is saintly advice. I followed it on my last set of thunders and aces and didn’t need to do anything after the first 2-3 sessions; never tightened the kingpins, never changed a single thing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 16, 2019, 01:25:25 AM
For what it’s worth, I’ve broken in all types of Aces. Ace aftermarkets in V1s a few years ago took a good while to break in. Like 10+ sessions but after that they’re heavenly. V3s seem to break in faster because I can’t remember having much issue with those. V2s with the stupid axle nuts I couldn’t break in to feel nice. Skated a set on my main set up for 10+ sessions and then took the set up on a month long trip around Europe where I cruised around with it a bunch and skated normally too. Still felt too stiff. Haven’t skated those trucks since but I think I’ll just get a new set of Ace replacement bushings for them once I do cuz something’s funny with those bushings. Or maybe they have a shorter kingpin? Dunno but I know that don’t feel like Aces should. Also Ace washers suck. Throw those out and replace them with the bigger Indy washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: juuhnuuh on August 16, 2019, 04:15:10 AM
I have the V1's with the small axle nuts and never ever have I gone through as many pivot cups as I have riding these trucks (I have had them for about a year).

I think they are also slightly bent but not enough to noticeably influence my skating but enough that you can see a slight bending.

I changed out the bushings for some old thunder ones and to be honest I really like them. The look, the feel while grinding, the hight (indy are higher) and the turning (similar to an indy but it has a different effect on you wheelbase)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on August 16, 2019, 06:01:26 AM
I've had all versions except the classics. One version has a shorter kingpin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Yewwman on August 16, 2019, 08:49:21 AM
Big thank you for the advice fellas! About to go skating today so might as well try different bushing setups, let the truck madness begin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 16, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
Big thank you for the advice fellas! About to go skating today so might as well try different bushing setups, let the truck madness begin

Literally the opposite of what we said

Sick dude
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 16, 2019, 04:13:43 PM
I swear by dohdohs in all Ace trucks. Just my 2c.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chickenbonenowitsgone on August 17, 2019, 01:07:18 AM
I've only had one set that I actually kept the stock bushings the whole time, they ended blowing out after about 3 months but I was starting to get to the axle anyway so I wasn't too bummed. I think they were v1s. Bones bushings will usually last me 3 or 4 sets of trucks though. I use the bones hard bushings with the bones washer on the bottom and the ace stock washer on top, and they feel good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 17, 2019, 01:29:35 AM
I skate V3’s and after reading all this washer clicking and bushing blowout stuff I have sort of an ocd where I have to check my bushings and pivot cups after every try, to see if they’ve blown out yet... Everything is good so far, everything stock and feels hella nice. Also, I ride mostly low impact stuff and tranny.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on August 19, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
Having only skated 55s on 8.75s (which I loved), 44s felt pretty damn squirrelly at first. I was almost starting to regret the move from Thunder but it clicked today and I had a blast with them. Everything felt good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on August 19, 2019, 02:11:28 PM
Got a pair a couple months ago and wasn't 100% sold on them, dug them out a couple days ago and put washers from my Indys on to replace the stock washers and they're way better. I get why people like these now for sure.

The grind took a little getting used to, getting a crook groove going was the hardest part now but I'm back to normal.
Definitely gonna try and grind these to the axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 19, 2019, 08:47:24 PM
I tried the new Ace aftermarkets with the Indy washers, too. Bones flats, no washers, etc. They just flop and get stuck when I push down on one side, no matter what. I just stick to Bones mediums with the flat washers for the bottom and top bushings, real snappy and back to center is always smooth.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFea on August 19, 2019, 09:05:01 PM
I’m about to pass 14 months on my aces. I always been riding the stock bottom and a bones med top. I’m sure I stated before I focused.
 I like my trucks floppy loose. The bones top feels like I get a better pop out of crooks than the stock. I’m on gen 1 aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 22, 2019, 07:46:44 PM
Curious, anybody running 55's on an 8.5 with good results? Some days the 44's feel a bit squirrely on an 8.5 and I've been thinking of making the jump up. Only dude I see running this size consistently is Shin Sanbongi and it doesn't look too monstertruck-ish, but it's hard to tell. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 22, 2019, 07:52:05 PM
Curious, anybody running 55's on an 8.5 with good results? Some days the 44's feel a bit squirrely on an 8.5 and I've been thinking of making the jump up. Only dude I see running this size consistently is Shin Sanbongi and it doesn't look too monstertruck-ish, but it's hard to tell.

I didn't really like it to be honest, a little too clumsy and flip tricks felt difficult. Felt stable and cruisy though and was great for back 5050s on round rails but I definitely think the 55s should be reserved for ~8.62 and up. That being said if you skate transition and less techy stuff it could be good.

It doesn't look too monstertruck-ish as long as you have a decently full nose and tail, if the ends of your 8.5 are very tapered then it will probably look a bit monstertruck-ish.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on August 22, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
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Curious, anybody running 55's on an 8.5 with good results? Some days the 44's feel a bit squirrely on an 8.5 and I've been thinking of making the jump up. Only dude I see running this size consistently is Shin Sanbongi and it doesn't look too monstertruck-ish, but it's hard to tell.
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I didn't really like it to be honest, a little too clumsy and flip tricks felt difficult. Felt stable and cruisy though and was great for back 5050s on round rails but I definitely think the 55s should be reserved for ~8.62 and up. That being said if you skate transition and less techy stuff it could be good.

It doesn't look too monstertruck-ish as long as you have a decently full nose and tail, if the ends of your 8.5 are very tapered then it will probably look a bit monstertruck-ish.
Exactly this. Also didn't liked 55 on 8.5, flip tricks were a bitch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 23, 2019, 09:21:34 AM
I'm not too picky with sizes but I agree also. Yet 44s are feeling too small for me. something between 44 and 55 would be amazing. Long overdue... Anyone from Ace read this forum?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 23, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
There's no winning when you're like that man

Forget yesterday, tomorrow won't feel like you want it to

Adapt to how the board feels right now and don't ask for more. It's already enough sliding by staying alive on these things some times
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 23, 2019, 10:41:21 AM
I'm 44. Dead soon. I need an 8.75 now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on August 23, 2019, 12:38:47 PM
I'm not too picky with sizes but I agree also. Yet 44s are feeling too small for me. something between 44 and 55 would be amazing. Long overdue... Anyone from Ace read this forum?

A couple of months ago, Ace posted a msg on their Instagram about new trucks coming (this fall?), and with new dimensions.

Also keep in mind that Aces provide more space along the axles to put your wheels. In terms of space between wheels, the 44s are actually more 8.25, and you can extend to 8.38 with washers. Same for the 55s, without washers it looks like a 8.75. They don't feel as big as you imagine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 23, 2019, 01:43:09 PM
Thunder 151’s are 8.75” axle to axle, yet the hanger is the same width as an Ace 55 which are 9” wide. Yes, Ace provide more axle space indeed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 23, 2019, 02:37:15 PM
Thunder 151’s are 8.75” axle to axle, yet the hanger is the same width as an Ace 55 which are 9” wide. Yes, Ace provide more axle space indeed.

Now that's interesting.

edit: took a look at the specs online (to be taken with a grain of salt I know), in keeping with Ace's usual sizing, the hanger of a 55 is right between an Indy 159 and 169 at around 6.35." I'm thinking I'll stick with 44's until maybe they release something in the new year. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 23, 2019, 03:34:40 PM
Incorrect. Ace 55 hangers are about 162mm. You have to account for the way they taper and not just measure to the end of the wide point. Thunder 151s are closer to 156mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 24, 2019, 07:36:31 AM
I lined up an Ace 55 hanger to a Thunder 151 at my local, they were exactly the same width.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chappers on August 24, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
I lined up an Ace 55 hanger to a Thunder 151 at my local, they were exactly the same width.

doubt it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AngryBlackMan on August 24, 2019, 08:33:25 AM
I pulled off a set of 151s yesterday and set up a pair of 55s. The hanger on the 55s is wider... Not by much but it's enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 24, 2019, 08:50:54 AM
The coned end to the 55s adds a good few mm.  I have both. 55s are closer in size to 169s.

Don't believe. Put the same wheels on each and see how much more they stick out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on August 25, 2019, 01:08:13 AM
Has anyone else experienced creased top (stock) bushings on Aces?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 25, 2019, 02:45:53 AM
Has anyone else experienced creased top (stock) bushings on Aces?

Mine are giving off pretty strong ball sack vibes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 25, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
Ace’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 25, 2019, 05:18:47 PM
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Has anyone else experienced creased top (stock) bushings on Aces?
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Mine are giving off pretty strong ball sack vibes

Pics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 26, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48626986881_93f0ae5bc3_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 26, 2019, 04:47:46 PM
Fuck me, you weren't kidding. How old is your current set of trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 26, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
Fuck me, you weren't kidding. How old is your current set of trucks?

I bought them new some time this year

* maybe April
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roomservice on August 26, 2019, 05:08:02 PM
Ace’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.
Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit together
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 26, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
You should still try them. Diocletain has his opinion. Many others are stoked on them  and have had no issues. Go into a skate shop and check them out before you drop coin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on August 26, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
I bought them new some time this year
* maybe April

I also bought mine in April and the bottom bushings are now totally crumbled from the interior. Both top and bottom have also developed these weird circular cracks, like a cut tree.  I've put a fresh new set of Ace bushing last week, and I also noticed that the old stock top and bottom bushing had lost both 1mm. The fresh new ones broke in after 1 hour of transition stuff, and my 44s feel like new again, yeee.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on August 26, 2019, 06:52:09 PM
I don’t blow out bushings anymore, because someone told me to let em be for awhile. It can be annoying, but it’s part of the game, for me. Now if you want tight, buy specific, harder bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 26, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
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Ace’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.
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Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit together

Just inspect them like a weirdo at the shop, if everything lines up, buy them. The turn will have you “saved” as their new sorta slogan says :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 26, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
I rolled the dice and bought a pair of 55s online (only one local shop in this substantial metropolitan area and it doesn't sell them).  I've been loving them since I started riding them.  They actually turn as good people say and grind curbs and coping like butter.  All this is partly undermined by the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions.  Checked for slip (lots of tapping) and it doesn't seem like that's the problem.  Anyone hear of this?  I've got on F4 conicals and Bones Reds, if that helps. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 26, 2019, 08:26:53 PM
All this is partly undermined by the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions.  Checked for slip (lots of tapping) and it doesn't seem like that's the problem.  Anyone hear of this?  I've got on F4 conicals and Bones Reds, if that helps. 
I've actually experienced that on 44s but always chalked it up to a glitch in the matrix because axels aren't slipping...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NegativeCreep on August 26, 2019, 08:32:27 PM
Do you have a washer between the bearing and axle nut?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 26, 2019, 08:37:21 PM
I've actually experienced that on 44s but always chalked it up to a glitch in the matrix because axels aren't slipping...

I noticed the axle nuts were super easy to finger tighten when I first got them, so maybe the outside speed ring is somehow binding against the inside of the nut and twisting it clockwise when I roll forward?  That seems plausible, but if that's what is actually happening I think Ace found another new way to make something go wrong with a truck.  I'll swap out the nuts tonight and see if it makes a difference tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 26, 2019, 08:40:52 PM
Do you have a washer between the bearing and axle nut?

Yep, as always.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 27, 2019, 12:01:53 AM
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Ace’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.
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Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit together

Definitely worth a shot if you can check them out in person beforehand. I've had three sets without issue, but other dudes get three lemon sets in a row, I won't defend the QC issues but I'll say it's worth a shot if only to see if they're for you.

I rolled the dice and bought a pair of 55s online (only one local shop in this substantial metropolitan area and it doesn't sell them).  I've been loving them since I started riding them.  They actually turn as good people say and grind curbs and coping like butter.  All this is partly undermined by the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions.  Checked for slip (lots of tapping) and it doesn't seem like that's the problem.  Anyone hear of this?  I've got on F4 conicals and Bones Reds, if that helps. 

Might be madness on my part but I swapped out the axle nuts on my current set for some Indy/Thunder ones I had lying around. The Ace ones seemed to be noticeably taller and with the Indy/Thunder ones I could get an extra washer on there to spread the width out a bit more. 

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on August 27, 2019, 11:46:24 AM
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The top washer is cutting into the bushing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on August 27, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
Causing presure downward causing the soft bushing to wrinkle yes, cutting no

Even at max turn there's no washer cut/contact

I've come to accept that my bushings are of the scrotum clan
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chappers on September 01, 2019, 12:06:18 PM
for anyone else who's been trying to find RAW ace 55's in the uk - native has restocked. the other decent uk shops will probably have them this week. been waiting for a restock for ages personally so thought id give a headsup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 01, 2019, 08:31:57 PM
the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions
I only have them on a cruiser but this has definitely happened to me. No slipped axle either.,
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 02, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
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the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions
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I only have them on a cruiser but this has definitely happened to me. No slipped axle either.,

It seems to happen worst when I lock into grinds on a ledge, with the wheels pressed really snug into the side of the coping.  It's really weird, I thought the axle nuts were tightening somehow but after yesterday and today it almost seems like it's an issue with the bearings getting knocked slightly out of alignment inside the wheel.  I had been loosening one axle nut repeatedly, so I got curious to see what would happen if I whacked just that wheel--not the axle--on the ground.  I did, and the wheel was suddenly extremely wiggly, like there was at least a thread's worth of extra space along the axle from loosening it up to that point.  So I don't know.  Guess I'll just keep whacking the wheel if it keeps going screwy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 02, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Do you have spacers in your wheels? The only time I had this exact same problem, it was when I removed the spacers to give a try. It was a very bad idea, it made the bearings to twist and to put pressure on the axle nuts, making them to turn and to loosen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 02, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
I never skate wheels without spacers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 03, 2019, 12:13:48 AM
I never skate wheels without spacers
I think no one should
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on September 03, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
bearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 03, 2019, 12:32:35 PM
bearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.

This is what I've heard, but I use them anyway because it seems wrong somehow to just throw them in the garbage. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 03, 2019, 05:49:59 PM
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 03, 2019, 06:32:50 PM
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......

Ask five different people you'll get five different answers.

Personally?

Pros: The best turn period. They go wherever you point them pretty much, no struggle. Takes a good amount of effort to wheelbite. Amazing bushings. Personally love the look of the hangers. 44 is an awesome size that few others offer. True mid height.

Cons: They're heavy. Heavier than standard Indy 149's. Tons of different QC issues people have reported, include - bent axles, uneven axle centering, bushing defects, washers that bind up against the bushings. And a new one in the last couple pages, axle nuts coming loose (seems more like a hardware issue).

I've been lucky and never had an issue, YMMV.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on September 03, 2019, 07:59:15 PM
If your bushings slip out of your washers don't get bummed out

They will eventually find their place and stop moving around if you don't chop them up from overtightening

Just had to dance with my new set today

*edit - Cute echo guys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 09:38:53 PM
Basically if you had 10 sets of Ace trucks you'd only have 4-5 sets that aren't fucked up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 03, 2019, 10:36:15 PM
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
why are you asking about the pros and cons if you already bought them? just go skate and find out for yourself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 03, 2019, 10:39:12 PM
bearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.
placebo effect or not, my wheels feel a lot more solid when I've got spacers in them!

Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
if they are the new ones:
+ you don't have to mess with them/ add or remove parts, just break them in and they're ready to go (but yeah, as someone said up there don't go too crazy carving in the break in period otherwise they'll pop over the washers!)
+ wheelbite is hard to achieve
+ you now have the surfiest trucks in the game
+ shortens your wheelbase/ skates like old indys

- QC issues
- you mightn't like old indys?
- you mightn't like shorter wheelbase?
- you might skate tight trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 03, 2019, 10:49:46 PM
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Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
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why are you asking about the pros and cons if you already bought them? just go skate and find out for yourself.

Seriously, what a fucking kook.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 03, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
+ you don't have to mess with them/ add or remove parts, just break them in and they're ready to go (but yeah, as someone said up there don't go too crazy carving in the break in period otherwise they'll pop over the washers!)
+ wheelbite is hard to achieve
+ you now have the surfiest trucks in the game
+ shortens your wheelbase/ skates like old indys

- QC issues

This.

I would also add:

+ most stable trucks in the game, compared to how loose and carvy they are.
+a light truck with perfect dimensions compared to other trucks without hollow features.

For the minus I would add:

- wear down pretty quickly. Be ready to change bushings and pivot cups every 3 months. Also they grind smoothly, butter feeling as people says, but crunchy concrete curbs will dig inside the hangers very fast.


For the QC problems, that's true that they are not perfect, but actually it was the same for all the Indys I got before moving the Aces: they all had a defect somewhere out of the box. I find that only Thunders were consistant in terms of QC. But things are evolving quickly nowadays...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 04, 2019, 01:37:15 AM
Ace pros:
- Best turn by far
- You know exactly when wheelbite is about to occur. Very predictable and doesn’t wheelbite easily at all even with 54 mm wheels
- Loose goodness
- Awesome bushings
- I like how they look

Ace cons:
- Joey T backs Jason Jessee
- Pivot cups blow out somewhat easily
- Pop isn’t as magical as on Ventures for example
- Stock washers suck. Small and thick. Changed mine to Indy washers and am much happier with those
- No hollow, forged, titanium, w/e options
- Some ppl have had problems with axle nuts tightening. Mine are getting loose. Might have to swap them out if that’d help.

I personally haven’t had any QC issues with mine. Bought two sets from a guy here years ago who had been skating them with Bones bushings and they had loose kingpins. I put some steel epoxy on the pins and they’ve been good ever since. Haven’t managed to get the kingpins loose in any of my other sets.

Aces will make your wheelbase shorter than pretty much any other truck. Longer noses and tails, better turn, less stability. Might be a bit too much on a short wheelbase board depending on what you like. Long noses and tails might feel a bit off too. I’ve noticed that in general short tails at least have been working really nice for me on Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 04, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
Thank you for you guy's input, my wife bought them for me online for dirt cheap $26,57 for a pair. I mean flaws or not that is a hella steal for a set of trucks my size. If it is flawed I can always switch back to Indy's. I just wanted to hear the consensus on you guy's experience. My local the shop owner is a cheap fucker where the sales rep for whatever brands that come through Nike, Huf, Converse etc and other shit and buy the discounted older gear and sell it for highend prices. I checked out his Ace's and they looked cheapy like a Target Speed Demons or Darkstar type of trucks no telling if he would buy the discontinued older models. I have heard they are rad for loose trucks and I am stoked to try them, I have my reservations I do skate with loose as shit trucks I just needed to know beforehand what to expect so I can mentally prepare and reassure myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 05, 2019, 05:39:51 AM
any confirmation/dates on the new sizes? been debating whether or not to get 66s because, allegedly, that size is gonna be discontinued, and i don't want to give ace another chance just because of some unfounded rumors.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 05, 2019, 05:43:36 AM
Whilst I was reading you guy's opinions I wrote an email and condensed it to the many many issues with Ace trucks and contacted them, this is the email I got back.

Dear Robert,

 Hello, this is Steve one of the owners of Ace. Thanks for taking the time to give us some firsthand insights. Being skaters ourselves we take all of this very seriously. All of the issues you have described would fall under our warranty btw. I have copied our customer service specialist Jon here if you wish to pursue getting any of your defective Ace trucks replaced under our warranty program.
 Please allow me to address your quality concerns individually here;

 The best way to explain "axle bolts (I assume you meant nuts) tightening while skating", your axle is slipping causing it to appear that the axle nut is mysteriously tightening itself as you skate.

 Uneven axles, a recent quality control mishap. No cases reported ever prior to the past 120 days. To date 3 or less incidents reported.

 Pivot cups obliterating. We Slappy A LOT and never had this problem, then we sold trucks for 10 years without this problem. Then EVERYBODY started doing Slappies and BAM! baseplate blow-out. We cover this under warranty and are also in the process of strengthening our baseplate in the pivot bushing area. We anticipate replacing our baseplate mold in the next 12 months. There's quite a bit of work on top of research and development to get any unique metal component to the production stage.

 Bushing top cap cutting into bushings. If you are using Ace bushings and the pivot cup bushing is in place as it should be, this is an undocumented first. If however you are having an issue with the bottom washer cutting the bottom bushing, the bottom bushing needs to be flipped over so that the sharp edge is touching the hanger and the rounded edge is sat in the bottom cup washer.

 I hope I have helped to regain your confidence in Ace. As skaters we are determined to continue improving our products until everyone is satisfied.

Thanks for your support,

Steve Ruge

I hope the trucks I get soon don't have any issues, but we will see.  Good on these guys to get back to me within a few hours.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 05, 2019, 06:45:38 AM
I appreciate that he's willing to tie the axle nut issue to slippage, but it isn't slippage. It's probably an issue with the way the ends are threaded since none of the other axle slip stuff seems to be happening, like extra room on the opposite side wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 05, 2019, 09:36:18 AM
the bottom bushing needs to be flipped over so that the sharp edge is touching the hanger and the rounded edge is sat in the bottom cup washer.

Ah ! This is a very nice info. I hesitated if the rounded edges had to go up or down, but I was not expecting that a mistake would lead to such problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UrsulaHaverbeck on September 05, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
Imagine being in the business of pouring trucks since 2007 and they're still pieces of shit after revamp after revamp. They only started breaking at the pivot because everyone outside of the Ace owners and employees started doing slappies...what a legitimate excuse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on September 05, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Ay anyone who's still overly concerned about aces or ventures, I found your exit
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48684092421_4a9cecb0f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fuck-You-Thats-Why on September 05, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
I appreciate that he's willing to tie the axle nut issue to slippage, but it isn't slippage. It's probably an issue with the way the ends are threaded since none of the other axle slip stuff seems to be happening, like extra room on the opposite side wheel.

Both my axle nuts and kingpin nuts would loosen and tighten on their own. The nylon inserts on the stock lock nuts were junk and could be tightened and loosened by hand, so i swapped out all my nuts with the fancy modus ones with the blue nylon and the problem went away. Try some fresh nuts.

I would gladly pay extra for a high quality version of an ace truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 05, 2019, 12:56:30 PM
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I appreciate that he's willing to tie the axle nut issue to slippage, but it isn't slippage. It's probably an issue with the way the ends are threaded since none of the other axle slip stuff seems to be happening, like extra room on the opposite side wheel.
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Both my axle nuts and kingpin nuts would loosen and tighten on their own. The nylon inserts on the stock lock nuts were junk and could be tightened and loosened by hand, so i swapped out all my nuts with the fancy modus ones with the blue nylon and the problem went away. Try some fresh nuts.

I would gladly pay extra for a high quality version of an ace truck.

My 44s are almost brand new, skated them for less about a week and they seem fine.  It's the 55s that are the real issue, both the kingpin nut on one truck and the axle nut problem.  Gotta head to my local and see if I can take care of it. 

I love Aces, but it shouldn't cost extra to get nyloc nuts that work properly or axles that are centered in the hanger.  Their QC is absolutely to blame for those things, and from that email it seems pretty clear they know and either cant or won't do anything about it so they decided to replace trucks under warranty, several times if necessary.  If anything, they might just be trying to get through this run before the rumored switch to standard sizing happens, after which the QC stuff might be taken care of (or not, lmao).  I honestly don't know what the deal is with the pivot cups, other than I've had a few blowouts from slappies on Indies and it seems like maybe that's just the price of doing slappies. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 05, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
I skate a considerable amount each week and from my wear and tear on Indy's has been mild. Maybe I just suck whatever I like the way fresh Indy's turn however if I can find a better truck like Indy my ears are always open.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 06, 2019, 01:46:59 AM
My V3 55’s have treated me well all summer. Ground them down pretty far, but still a bit of life left. Noticed when I was tinkering with my set up that both trucks had bent axles, and one kingpin was loose. Emailed them and they replied immediately, and then yesterday they sent me a new set. Ace may still have some progress to be made with their QC, but they own up to it and fulfill their warranty properly. For that I back them even more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on September 06, 2019, 02:19:48 AM
^thats awesome, I’m still using my 2 pairs of 55s. The 6.1s may work better for my setup I actually wanna try tricks on (weight and similar turn for me atleast). But I’ll keep my 55s for cruisers and slappy boards without a doubt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 07, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
Finally got my Ace's and I am quite impressed really takes alot to catch wheelbite so far so good. I really think they are better than Indy's and I am convinced.  Thanks for you guy's opinions and I will keep an eye out for these flaws and so far so good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TD on September 09, 2019, 01:24:26 AM
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placebo effect or not, my wheels feel a lot more solid when I've got spacers in them!

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Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
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if they are the new ones:
+ you don't have to mess with them/ add or remove parts, just break them in and they're ready to go (but yeah, as someone said up there don't go too crazy carving in the break in period otherwise they'll pop over the washers!)
+ wheelbite is hard to achieve
+ you now have the surfiest trucks in the game
+ shortens your wheelbase/ skates like old indys

- QC issues
- you mightn't like old indys?
- you mightn't like shorter wheelbase?
- you might skate tight trucks?


Just set up a pair of 44's on an 8.5, absolutely wild. I'm loving them so far, they turn effortlessly and feel nice as on a curb. Only thing I noticed right away was when I did carve hard, the bushings would pop out over the washer. Not having that problem anymore, so break em in slowly like everyone said.

So glad I made the switch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: padded_shorts on September 09, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on September 09, 2019, 01:18:25 PM
I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?

Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on September 09, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
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I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
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Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups. PM camel filters and send him the trucks. It's too squeaky and there's no solving that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 10, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Love my Ace trucks, I am sold on them hands down best turning Indy can suck my balls.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: midget_curbs on September 10, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
Recently started skating 44s and love them. I’ve read here that Aces shorten your wheelbase more than any other truck. Does anyone know how much exactly?

I’m skating an 8.375 Free Dome with a 14” wheelbase that I picked up from my local when the first run came out. The name and graphic aren’t the best, but the shape is sick and is so much fun to skate.


I recently picked up a couple more off their site that are listed as having the same dimensions, but I got the boards today and the engravings on the top (believe it’s PS stix) has 14.25 wheelbase...I love a 14 wheelbase and was wondering how much of a difference the Aces will make up?

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 10, 2019, 07:27:21 PM
Recently started skating 44s and love them. I’ve read here that Aces shorten your wheelbase more than any other truck. Does anyone know how much exactly?

I’m skating an 8.375 Free Dome with a 14” wheelbase that I picked up from my local when the first run came out. The name and graphic aren’t the best, but the shape is sick and is so much fun to skate.


I recently picked up a couple more off their site that are listed as having the same dimensions, but I got the boards today and the engravings on the top (believe it’s PS stix) has 14.25 wheelbase...I love a 14 wheelbase and was wondering how much of a difference the Aces will make up?

Edit: Shalom

What trucks were you running before?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: midget_curbs on September 10, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
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Recently started skating 44s and love them. I’ve read here that Aces shorten your wheelbase more than any other truck. Does anyone know how much exactly?

I’m skating an 8.375 Free Dome with a 14” wheelbase that I picked up from my local when the first run came out. The name and graphic aren’t the best, but the shape is sick and is so much fun to skate.


I recently picked up a couple more off their site that are listed as having the same dimensions, but I got the boards today and the engravings on the top (believe it’s PS stix) has 14.25 wheelbase...I love a 14 wheelbase and was wondering how much of a difference the Aces will make up?

Edit: Shalom
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What trucks were you running before?

I’ve only ever ran Aces on this board. I was riding 144 Indy Hollows on an 8” Polar but I made the switch to Ace when I went with a bigger board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 10, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
Love my Ace trucks, I am sold on them hands down best turning Indy can suck my balls.

If they'd put out an 8 5/8" axle I would probably never touch Indies again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 10, 2019, 09:04:37 PM
Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: midget_curbs on September 10, 2019, 09:23:09 PM
Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?

Yeah my question was more if Ace would make a 14.25 wheelbase feel closer to a 14? Not so much how they compare to other trucks but that’s good to know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on September 10, 2019, 09:23:44 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 10, 2019, 09:30:08 PM
Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?

I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reese on September 10, 2019, 09:40:42 PM
Ye bro 2.5mm wb decrease with ace vs indy forged.. Ace vs standard indy is still 2mm decrease

Roughly 1/8th inch of ride your damn board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 10, 2019, 11:29:41 PM
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Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
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I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?

Shamelessly linking to my own post,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 11, 2019, 12:13:37 AM
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Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
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I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?
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Shamelessly linking to my own post,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

Well shit. Thanks. My bad. I could have sworn it’s less for some reason.  :-\
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 11, 2019, 12:24:58 AM
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Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
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I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?
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Shamelessly linking to my own post,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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Well shit. Thanks. My bad. I could have sworn it’s less for some reason.  :-\

Not a problem. Funnily enough Stage 8 Indy's do shrink the wheelbase exactly 1/8" from Stage 11's. They sit right between current Indy's and Aces  in terms of wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: padded_shorts on September 11, 2019, 06:06:16 AM
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I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
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Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.
I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on September 11, 2019, 07:18:26 AM
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I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
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Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.
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I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.

Try auto grease. It's a little messier, but lasts way longer than wax or bearing lube.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 12, 2019, 06:19:27 PM
Do you have spacers in your wheels? The only time I had this exact same problem, it was when I removed the spacers to give a try. It was a very bad idea, it made the bearings to twist and to put pressure on the axle nuts, making them to turn and to loosen.
Yes I do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on September 13, 2019, 08:06:57 AM
Riptide pivot cups ought to do the trick
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on September 14, 2019, 08:27:00 AM
Finally got some 33s after years of wanting to try out aces. Skated some flat for about 45 minutes yesterday to get the feel of them and tinker with any adjustments. So far I've noticed they feel a lot lighter than my indy 139s, and feel a little bit lower as well. I'm really not sure if that's true but that's just how I feel about them. Forgot how much is sucks to break in new trucks but so far I really like the turn on them, and that they are pretty stable too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 14, 2019, 08:42:49 AM
So I got my warranty 55’s from Ace. Took them to my local and swapped them for 66’s as I wanted some even bigger boys. Man these things are heavy but there’s so much hanger to grind now.

I noticed another thing that Ace needs to solve with their QC: the conical hanger ends which “allow your bearings to spin freely” are never the same. My local had a bunch of Ace’s in different sizes and every truck has a different level of conical ends, some are shorter with barely any “conicalness” to them. Others longer. Some long on one side of the truck and shorter on the other, which I would imagine will make one wheel sit farther out and the other closer. Some were crooked which made the speed ring sit crooked, which therefore probably makes your wheel sit crooked. Pretty sure mine is when I look at it on these 66’s. Just gonna roll with it...

At this point I think Ace needs to do what major shoe/clothing brands do: they need to hire someone to live overseas close to the plant to be a production line manager/truck inspector. China is notorious for slacking on quality and consistency when they don’t have someone there daily to make sure they’re doing things properly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 14, 2019, 08:46:28 AM
It’s not that serious bro.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaptainCheeks on September 14, 2019, 08:07:34 PM
Has any one tried Ace 55s on an 8.5. if so were your axels sticking out too far. Also does anyone know what's good with the the mag base plates I can't find em in the states.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 14, 2019, 09:34:32 PM
Has any one tried Ace 55s on an 8.5. if so were your axels sticking out too far. Also does anyone know what's good with the the mag base plates I can't find em in the states.

That's my current setup. I hesitated between my 44s or 55s, and I have no regrets because the 55s turn better (that's my feeling).
The hanger length of the 55s is basically the same (~2mm) as 8.75 Thunders or Indys, and my wheels are flush with the board. However the axles are indeed longer and stick out, but it's not a big deal because I take the wheels as a reference. The main issue is that if you land primo, you're going to damage the threads of the axles, so it's a good practice to put 3 or 4 speed rings outside the wheels to make the axle nuts flush with the axle ends.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 15, 2019, 07:44:47 AM
Was 3 hours into skating my brand new 66’s yesterday and the baseplate broke at the pivot from doing slappies. This is the 3-4th time with Ace’s. Making me want to call it a day with them and just go back to forged Indy’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 15, 2019, 07:56:47 AM
Was 3 hours into skating my brand new 66’s yesterday and the baseplate broke at the pivot from doing slappies. This is the 3-4th time with Ace’s. Making me want to call it a day with them and just go back to forged Indy’s.

You should
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 15, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
Was 3 hours into skating my brand new 66’s yesterday and the baseplate broke at the pivot from doing slappies. This is the 3-4th time with Ace’s. Making me want to call it a day with them and just go back to forged Indy’s.
How are you going to post this without pictures?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 15, 2019, 11:04:11 AM
So I got my warranty 55’s from Ace. Took them to my local and swapped them for 66’s as I wanted some even bigger boys. Man these things are heavy but there’s so much hanger to grind now.

I noticed another thing that Ace needs to solve with their QC: the conical hanger ends which “allow your bearings to spin freely” are never the same. My local had a bunch of Ace’s in different sizes and every truck has a different level of conical ends, some are shorter with barely any “conicalness” to them. Others longer. Some long on one side of the truck and shorter on the other, which I would imagine will make one wheel sit farther out and the other closer. Some were crooked which made the speed ring sit crooked, which therefore probably makes your wheel sit crooked. Pretty sure mine is when I look at it on these 66’s. Just gonna roll with it...

At this point I think Ace needs to do what major shoe/clothing brands do: they need to hire someone to live overseas close to the plant to be a production line manager/truck inspector. China is notorious for slacking on quality and consistency when they don’t have someone there daily to make sure they’re doing things properly.

What's funny is that the old revs had more consistent hanger tapers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFea on September 15, 2019, 07:49:47 PM
I love my ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on September 16, 2019, 12:05:15 AM
I love my ace trucks.

Yep, CAN'T BEAT THE FEELING.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 16, 2019, 12:51:32 AM
I love my ace trucks.
*italian voice* psshhhhh get the fock outta heeeeere
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on September 16, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
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I love my ace trucks.
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*italian voice* psshhhhh get the fock outta heeeeere


*guido voice*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Putaslocas on September 17, 2019, 04:34:55 PM
What size do you guys recommend for an 8.5?  44s or 55s? Or is it just a matter of preferring a longer/shorter hanger/axle?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 17, 2019, 04:38:11 PM
What size do you guys recommend for an 8.5?  44s or 55s? Or is it just a matter of preferring a longer/shorter hanger?

55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Putaslocas on September 17, 2019, 04:43:34 PM
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55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.

trying to figure out whats sensible. 55s stick out too much? Ive seen 44s on an 8.5 and they seem to be a hair shorter which i doubt really matters. Just sick of indys and their pivot cups blowing out on me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 17, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
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55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.
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trying to figure out whats sensible. 55s stick out too much? Ive seen 44s on an 8.5 and they seem to be a hair shorter which i doubt really matters. Just sick of indys and their pivot cups blowing out on me.

Ace turn better. But. They have their own issues and in general are not as durable as Indy. I mostly prefer ace. Anyways....do you flip? Ollie? 44s. If not 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 17, 2019, 05:11:37 PM
44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.
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Post by: Putaslocas on September 17, 2019, 05:23:53 PM
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55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.
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trying to figure out whats sensible. 55s stick out too much? Ive seen 44s on an 8.5 and they seem to be a hair shorter which i doubt really matters. Just sick of indys and their pivot cups blowing out on me.
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Ace turn better. But. They have their own issues and in general are not as durable as Indy. I mostly prefer ace. Anyways....do you flip? Ollie? 44s. If not 55s.

Have heard they are not as durable but makes sense as there seems to be less metal on them. Thanks for the input. Helpful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Putaslocas on September 17, 2019, 05:24:44 PM
44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.

Perfect. Thats extremely helpful. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 17, 2019, 07:56:40 PM
Ace warranty dept. revealed to me via email there is ANOTHER revamp coming. Wouldn’t give me any details but like someone else had pasted from their email with Shrewgy, the baseplate will supposedly be stronger, and overall the truck is supposed to have more strength. Said it’s going to happen in the near future.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 17, 2019, 08:51:30 PM
Ace warranty dept. revealed to me via email there is ANOTHER revamp coming. Wouldn’t give me any details but like someone else had pasted from their email with Shrewgy, the baseplate will supposedly be stronger, and overall the truck is supposed to have more strength. Said it’s going to happen in the near future.

Do you have a pic of your broken baseplates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 17, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DNvqlq9m.png)

The rest are in my junk box in the basement. But this was from the other day.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 17, 2019, 10:31:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DNvqlq9m.png)

The rest are in my junk box in the basement. But this was from the other day.

Damn. Looks like a clean snap instead of getting slowly deformed and giving in. Not a good look. Maybe Ace should do forged plates. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 17, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
Yeah, that’s how it’s happened every time, and my hanger flipped 180 haha. I still back Ace and their warranty person is a really nice guy, but I just want a truck that I don’t have to worry about taking it easy on beating them up, never had that problem with Indy. Sacrificing turn for strength is a tough one though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on September 18, 2019, 08:35:36 AM
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44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.
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Perfect. Thats extremely helpful. Thanks.

An extra spacer on the inside of the wheel would make them super close. 

I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside: 

https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on September 18, 2019, 08:58:25 AM
I love my ace trucks.
I am hyped on mine going ot skate here soon as we speak.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 18, 2019, 11:16:47 AM
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The rest are in my junk box in the basement. But this was from the other day.
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Damn. Looks like a clean snap instead of getting slowly deformed and giving in. Not a good look. Maybe Ace should do forged plates. 🤔

Thats a weird one. I've 200lbs and smash my 44s and 55s into curbs, ledges and coping and never had anything resembling that. How are you doing that repeatedly?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 18, 2019, 12:12:43 PM
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I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
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Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.
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I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.

Its possible that it isn't the pivot cups, though if it temporarily stopped with wax then it probably is. I've had a few trucks that squeak where the bushings meet the hanger, most noticeably Tensor mags with Bones bushings and anodized  indy FH 144s, also with Bones. Usually just adding a little lube to the bushing seat fixes it. Maybe give it a shot before you buy $16 pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 18, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
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44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.
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Perfect. Thats extremely helpful. Thanks.
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An extra spacer on the inside of the wheel would make them super close. 

I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside: 

https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

Cool find, been looking around for king and axle nuts like this for a while; looks like they have both. The Kingpin nut will help a ton for those of us who like loose trucks and still want washers but given how those TiHangers grind, these might not be so forgiving on ground down hangers (smiths).

I'd worry about the axle nuts tho, staying on, etc. plus, that's gonna be 2-3 more washers on some trucks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 18, 2019, 01:53:13 PM
I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside: 
https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

A little bit out of topic, but anyone know what is the quality of their bearings? I did a research on slap and there is no discussion at all about this brand.
But 35$ for ceramic bearings, it's too good to be true ....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFea on September 18, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
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I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside: 
https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
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A little bit out of topic, but anyone know what is the quality of their bearings? I did a research on slap and there is no discussion at all about this brand.
But 35$ for ceramic bearings, it's too good to be true ....

Ace has them?
Yo 35$ is great. I’m definitely going to look into that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 18, 2019, 09:06:16 PM
Thats a weird one. I've 200lbs and smash my 44s and 55s into curbs, ledges and coping and never had anything resembling that. How are you doing that repeatedly?

Bad luck? I weigh 210lbs, I’ve warped cast Indy plates in the past from slappies but could never break them. Some sets of Ace’s lasted almost to the axle without ever breaking at the pivot or bending an axle, but quite a few have busted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFea on September 18, 2019, 09:38:11 PM
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Thats a weird one. I've 200lbs and smash my 44s and 55s into curbs, ledges and coping and never had anything resembling that. How are you doing that repeatedly?
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Bad luck? I weigh 210lbs, I’ve warped cast Indy plates in the past from slappies but could never break them. Some sets of Ace’s lasted almost to the axle without ever breaking at the pivot or bending an axle, but quite a few have busted.

Impact driver.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: oldbummer on September 18, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
Ace warranty dept. revealed to me via email there is ANOTHER revamp coming. Wouldn’t give me any details but like someone else had pasted from their email with Shrewgy, the baseplate will supposedly be stronger, and overall the truck is supposed to have more strength. Said it’s going to happen in the near future.

Ace instagram story show about 20 pallets stacked up with Ace boxes on them. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 19, 2019, 12:59:46 AM
The 8.75ish” Ace really needs to happen soon. I’ve been into wider decks lately but the 55s are too wide for most decks I’m feeling.

44s on a 8.5” could be a bit wider but I guess this is mostly just truck madness creeping in.  :-X

8.6” and up though I dunno if I’d be happy with 44s. I think I’d feel more comfortable with a 8.75” truck. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 19, 2019, 07:46:31 AM
The 8.75ish” Ace really needs to happen soon. I’ve been into wider decks lately but the 55s are too wide for most decks I’m feeling.

44s on a 8.5” could be a bit wider but I guess this is mostly just truck madness creeping in.  :-X

8.6” and up though I dunno if I’d be happy with 44s. I think I’d feel more comfortable with a 8.75” truck. 🤔

In total agreement. I've been told an 8.6 / 8.75" truck is coming...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 19, 2019, 08:19:38 AM
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The 8.75ish” Ace really needs to happen soon. I’ve been into wider decks lately but the 55s are too wide for most decks I’m feeling.

44s on a 8.5” could be a bit wider but I guess this is mostly just truck madness creeping in.  :-X

8.6” and up though I dunno if I’d be happy with 44s. I think I’d feel more comfortable with a 8.75” truck. 🤔
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In total agreement. I've been told an 8.6 / 8.75" truck is coming...

I’ve probably mumbled it before but I like that ace has kinda dumb sizing. Just ride the closest and be done with it. That being said they have gone with gun themed names before, so a .45 mag, or even a .50 cal kinda makes too much sense.
Side note: any shop guys notice more of the 144/148/5.6 trucks taking over? It was a size that the internet NEEEEEDED, but I’m not sure how much it changed things
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on September 19, 2019, 10:50:59 PM
Another ace revamp?

Maybe they’ll secretly release them as just regular stock so there’s no uproar about how everyone got the so called revamp classics months ago and now they have a new version
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 20, 2019, 02:06:19 AM
I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?

Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.

Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on September 20, 2019, 07:01:20 AM
I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?

Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.

Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.

The top is the hard one so just use a harder bottom bushing and keep the top the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 20, 2019, 08:05:57 AM
I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?

Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.

Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.

A minor quibble:

Frantically buying zumiez closeout trucks and bidding on eBay boxes of random trucks isn’t something that one ‘hard up for cash’ does, re the: ‘rah rah’ support your local shop. And that’s where I get annoyed enough, to point out shit that’s thoroughly not my business, to someone I don’t know at all, on the internet: you are just buying a bunch of shit for the lo. Just do that. Just be the super wack person that buys shit and supports zumiez. You clearly aren’t some struggling skate rat kid with no money. You live in the US. This is just your preferred channel, you’d rather buy mismatched Sonora truck colorways from 2013 than march down to the local shop and buy some shit there. Well within your rights.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on September 20, 2019, 10:06:54 AM
Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.

They will harden after a couple of sessions, give them a try.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: What a find on September 20, 2019, 03:48:53 PM
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I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?

Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.

Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.
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A minor quibble:

Frantically buying zumiez closeout trucks and bidding on eBay boxes of random trucks isn’t something that one ‘hard up for cash’ does, re the: ‘rah rah’ support your local shop. And that’s where I get annoyed enough, to point out shit that’s thoroughly not my business, to someone I don’t know at all, on the internet: you are just buying a bunch of shit for the lo. Just do that. Just be the super wack person that buys shit and supports zumiez. You clearly aren’t some struggling skate rat kid with no money. You live in the US. This is just your preferred channel, you’d rather buy mismatched Sonora truck colorways from 2013 than march down to the local shop and buy some shit there. Well within your rights.

Daamn gottemm

(https://media.tenor.com/images/d7181af679e4b1cec844fab361267e46/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 24, 2019, 06:34:57 PM
Word is November to end of the year for the new Ace remodel. New Factory that has a reputation for good quality. I heard the hanger will look slightly different. As the trucks go up in size so will the curved piece that supports the hanger increase propotionaly. So wider trucks will have more support, I presume? Also heard, they have some bushings similar to Bones but they have found a way to keep them from blowing out as easily. New sizes to be more in line with traditional trucks sizes... No more Diamond on the baseplates... Probably some other changes also...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 24, 2019, 07:05:06 PM
Word is November to end of the year for the new Ace remodel. New Factory that has a reputation for good quality. I heard the hanger will look slightly different. As the trucks go up in size so will the curved piece that supports the hanger increase propotionaly. So wider trucks will have more support, I presume? Also heard, they have some bushings similar to Bones but they have found a way to keep them from blowing out as easily. New sizes to be more in line with traditional trucks sizes... No more Diamond on the baseplates... Probably some other changes also...

Goddamn it. If half of this is true they ought to offer some truck buy-back program.... Joking of course, but despite my love for Ace, this many revisions in that short a time frame - especially if the bushing thing is true - is borderline untenable. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 24, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
Word is November to end of the year for the new Ace remodel. New Factory that has a reputation for good quality. I heard the hanger will look slightly different. As the trucks go up in size so will the curved piece that supports the hanger increase propotionaly. So wider trucks will have more support, I presume? Also heard, they have some bushings similar to Bones but they have found a way to keep them from blowing out as easily. New sizes to be more in line with traditional trucks sizes... No more Diamond on the baseplates... Probably some other changes also...

A little bummed to hear about going to conventional sizing or whatever; the eccentric sizing was always kinda part of the fun.  I sort of hoped if anything they'd do an 8.63" hanger and call it the 45 or the 50 or whatever. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 24, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
Just some shit I heard from a  shop guy who has been talking to the Ace guys. I did see a sample of the bushings though and they look great. Apparently team riders are out there testing the trucks now. So if you know anyone sponsored by Ace, they might have them already....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 24, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
Why fuck with the bushings as they're best in the game right now? Ace, don't fuck this shit up! Change what needs to be changed and leave the rest alone!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 24, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
that sounds so bad. just reinforce the baseplate and work on the qc bruh...get your fucking shit together ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.

As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on September 25, 2019, 01:13:44 AM
Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.

As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.

Sums up my feelings as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 25, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.

As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.

Not that it's impossible but with Ace's design it's harder than you might think. Ace's hangers are basically round rods of aluminum over the axle, for something that gets abused constantly it's a weak design. Every other truck worth a damn uses the hollowed out and flared design (where the axle is exposed underneath) basically creating a sort of I-beam, which is considerably stronger in almost every way, while also being lighter.

Ace can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but with their current design it's just going to make it heavier at the sacrifice of not making it much stronger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 25, 2019, 03:58:26 PM
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Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.

As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.
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Not that it's impossible but with Ace's design it's harder than you might think. Ace's hangers are basically round rods of aluminum over the axle, for something that gets abused constantly it's a weak design. Every other truck worth a damn uses the hollowed out and flared design (where the axle is exposed underneath) basically creating a sort of I-beam, which is considerably stronger in almost every way, while also being lighter.

Ace can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but with their current design it's just going to make it heavier at the sacrifice of not making it much stronger.

Bingo.  They're using an Indy Stage III geometry and Indy Stage III technology
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
I never thought of it that way, but you bring up a good point. I’m very satisfied with my titanium Indy’s and they turn phenomenal with the new stock bushings so if I’m stuck with these it’s not a bad thing. Expensive, but strong and worth every penny.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on September 25, 2019, 08:11:43 PM
Indeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.

That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 25, 2019, 08:39:01 PM
I never thought of it that way, but you bring up a good point. I’m very satisfied with my titanium Indy’s and they turn phenomenal with the new stock bushings so if I’m stuck with these it’s not a bad thing. Expensive, but strong and worth every penny.

But your mind is not convinced. It is still niggling at you. Because deep down inside you know Ace turn a lot better than any Stage 11. You're truck fucked and you know it.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 26, 2019, 01:58:39 AM
Lol, truck fucked. I don’t know man, if I had a board with 33’s on and my current with the 139 Ti’s, I’d have to say the turning would be hard to differentiate. These puppies really have surprised me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 26, 2019, 02:28:12 AM
Lol, truck fucked. I don’t know man, if I had a board with 33’s on and my current with the 139 Ti’s, I’d have to say the turning would be hard to differentiate. These puppies really have surprised me.

Indy wheelbite will let you know what’s up and make you question your life choices when you least expect it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 26, 2019, 10:03:42 AM
niggling
haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on September 26, 2019, 01:53:33 PM
Lol, truck fucked. I don’t know man, if I had a board with 33’s on and my current with the 139 Ti’s, I’d have to say the turning would be hard to differentiate. These puppies really have surprised me.

139s do turn a lot quicker than 149s imo. That being said, if it’s all about the turn, and only that, I mean....ace is kinda hard to beat in that regard. As Has been pointed out, there are many, many other factors as to why a truck works for someone or not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 26, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
Yeah I’m sure if I had some 149’s it would be a different story. These are a lot more twitchy and feel like I have Ace’s under my feet.

Kinda stinks Ace is releasing their new truck during snow. Breaking in new trucks at an indoor park is something I cannot do. I need outdoor abuse and plenty of slappies to wear them down and build grooves before I feel they’re ready.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Italianshredder96 on September 27, 2019, 03:06:01 AM
I finally resolved my ace bushing madness, I know I'm a monster, I switched the stock bushings. I bought some 94a bottoms from skatedeluxe, since the bottom bushings from ace is really tall I did this.
I put bones flat washer, indy washer, this bushing, ace top bushing, ace top washer...now I feel them stable. I you want the right height and you want a tighter ace this is a good trick I think.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on October 01, 2019, 06:08:13 PM
Does anyone run 55’s on 8.5’s? Been skating 44s recently, and want a slightly wider axle because I like to see my wheels. Been running smaller Spitfire classics to get more room out of my axle but wanting to go back to a bigger conical full wheel but want more axle if I do so.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 01, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
Does anyone run 55’s on 8.5’s? Been skating 44s recently, and want a slightly wider axle because I like to see my wheels. Been running smaller Spitfire classics to get more room out of my axle but wanting to go back to a bigger conical full wheel but want more axle if I do so.

some of my friends do. They also run 159s with 8.5s. I get on fine on 44s with 54 or 56MM conicals. I ride loose too.

If you're running aces wide open there's going to be no real change unless you get a riser

You might catch your heel when pushing and eat crazier shit than a wheel bite.  :)

I find added metal is pointless for me. My 8.5 is really only as wide as the bolt pattern. The reason is move up is if I wasn't getting the proper grind for joy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 01, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Indeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.

That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.

Nah X wing is not necessary with this truck. I'm really rough on trucks I haven't had an issue. I think you all are tripping unlucky or work for nhs

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2019, 08:46:11 PM
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Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.

As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.
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Not that it's impossible but with Ace's design it's harder than you might think. Ace's hangers are basically round rods of aluminum over the axle, for something that gets abused constantly it's a weak design. Every other truck worth a damn uses the hollowed out and flared design (where the axle is exposed underneath) basically creating a sort of I-beam, which is considerably stronger in almost every way, while also being lighter.

Ace can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but with their current design it's just going to make it heavier at the sacrifice of not making it much stronger.
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Bingo.  They're using an Indy Stage III geometry and Indy Stage III technology

Exactly why Theeve switched to flared hangers (given how similar the geometry is) except for the TIh

Old Theeves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1UR2liXgFw




Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 01, 2019, 08:58:17 PM
I think theeve is more similar to a tracker truck though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 02, 2019, 02:47:31 AM
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Indeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.

That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.
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Nah X wing is not necessary with this truck. I'm really rough on trucks I haven't had an issue. I think you all are tripping unlucky or work for nhs

I switch back and forth between Indy's and Aces, so no blind loyalty here my guy. But you know, there's tons of posts from members here (and if you want, someone like Jordan Trahan's insta) who've more or less exploded Ace hangers or baseplates. A couple people might be coincidental but it's been years and years of defects. Cool that you've never had a problem (I've never had a problem with mine either), but there's pretty good data to the contrary. Theeve's solution is a good one, it's not particularly pleasant to look at, but it could be done better.

Also,
I think theeve is more similar to a tracker truck though

... what? Theeve's were designed on Ace baseplates (theeve.... thief....). At the end of the day they're uncool Aces. At least the full Titanium ones anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 02, 2019, 06:13:30 AM
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Indeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.

That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.
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Nah X wing is not necessary with this truck. I'm really rough on trucks I haven't had an issue. I think you all are tripping unlucky or work for nhs
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I switch back and forth between Indy's and Aces, so no blind loyalty here my guy. But you know, there's tons of posts from members here (and if you want, someone like Jordan Trahan's insta) who've more or less exploded Ace hangers or baseplates. A couple people might be coincidental but it's been years and years of defects. Cool that you've never had a problem (I've never had a problem with mine either), but there's pretty good data to the contrary. Theeve's solution is a good one, it's not particularly pleasant to look at, but it could be done better.

Also,
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... what? Theeve's were designed on Ace baseplates (theeve.... thief....). At the end of the day they're uncool Aces. At least the full Titanium ones anyway.

idk they don't turn the same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on October 09, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
What risers sit flush with Ace baseplates? Running Indy risers on my 44s but they stick out a bit, anybody tried Thunder risers? If it comes down to it I can just cut them down to size but I was curious to see what you guys use, thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 09, 2019, 11:38:57 PM
What risers sit flush with Ace baseplates? Running Indy risers on my 44s but they stick out a bit, anybody tried Thunder risers? If it comes down to it I can just cut them down to size but I was curious to see what you guys use, thanks.

I use Diamond risers. Not 100% flush but it’s manageable IMO. I can take a picture when I’m home if you want. I never understood why risers don’t fit properly on baseplates. Even Indy risers on Indy baseplates are off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 10, 2019, 04:03:40 AM
I use diamond and then razor-bladed them flush
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 10, 2019, 08:02:36 AM
Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 10, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:

(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 10, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact

Whoa whoa whoa. Never down, maybe up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on October 10, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 10, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
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Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
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Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.

Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on October 10, 2019, 02:04:41 PM
Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:

(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)

Good looking out, thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 10, 2019, 04:55:05 PM
If you want your risers flush you can get risers with oval shape holes so you can position them however you like... Pretty handy.

(https://www.tactics.com/a/2mft/2/bones-skateboard-riser-pads-black.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 10, 2019, 05:02:24 PM
If you want your risers flush you can get risers with oval shape holes so you can position them however you like... Pretty handy.

(https://www.tactics.com/a/2mft/2/bones-skateboard-riser-pads-black.jpg)

They're also just plastic a razor blade or even a drill would make quick work of it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 10, 2019, 07:55:49 PM
Best risers for Ace’s are Modus. Fixed holes and a middle ground between plastic/rubbery. Like a flexible plastic that won’t make the board sound dead. They stick out a tiny bit on all four sides beneath the baseplate but it’s like 98.83694% even and looks as proper as it’s going to get until Ace makes their own risers that are cut perfectly to not stick out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 11, 2019, 12:24:46 AM
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Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
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Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
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Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of

I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on October 11, 2019, 02:10:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1LcXzkk_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 11, 2019, 04:32:55 AM
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Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
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Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
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Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of
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I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much

I have never been a board breaker, I was more of the kick away 300 times and then put one down bolts. So I chipped a ton of boards. As far as trucks cost, I get its roughly the same as a deck expenditure wise. But getting a new set of trucks tweaking them to your liking and having them last like 6 months to a year is better than putting them on riding them for the length of one deck and them also failing. Or the axle bending and causing uneven wear on wheels and the next thing you know after a month you need damn near a whole new complete.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2019, 07:17:16 AM
(https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1LcXzkk)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.

I really wish this image would appear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 11, 2019, 07:38:34 AM
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The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.
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I really wish this image would appear.
yes, pics or it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 11, 2019, 08:22:43 AM
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Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
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Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
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Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of
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I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much
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I have never been a board breaker, I was more of the kick away 300 times and then put one down bolts. So I chipped a ton of boards. As far as trucks cost, I get its roughly the same as a deck expenditure wise. But getting a new set of trucks tweaking them to your liking and having them last like 6 months to a year is better than putting them on riding them for the length of one deck and them also failing. Or the axle bending and causing uneven wear on wheels and the next thing you know after a month you need damn near a whole new complete.

You make a really good point, it does suck to get all new stuff often, and it’s just wasteful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on October 11, 2019, 10:02:43 AM
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The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.
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I really wish this image would appear.
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yes, pics or it didn't happen.

Ditto,

Damn I can’t wait

Wow a forged hangar?
I wonder what that’s gonna grind like
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 11, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/P3ax7Ea.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 11, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/P3ax7Ea.jpg?1)

Should’ve known a poster with this handle would have the goods
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 11, 2019, 11:49:55 AM
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Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.

I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
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Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
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Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of
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I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much
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I have never been a board breaker, I was more of the kick away 300 times and then put one down bolts. So I chipped a ton of boards. As far as trucks cost, I get its roughly the same as a deck expenditure wise. But getting a new set of trucks tweaking them to your liking and having them last like 6 months to a year is better than putting them on riding them for the length of one deck and them also failing. Or the axle bending and causing uneven wear on wheels and the next thing you know after a month you need damn near a whole new complete.
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You make a really good point, it does suck to get all new stuff often, and it’s just wasteful.

Bailed on work for a bit, drove an hour to a Zumiez that had polished 44's in stock since they are currently on sale at Zumiez. While it pains me not to have not supported my local the dude rang them up and said "I think these qualify for buy one get one 50% off" he then pushed some buttons on the register and my total came to $23. which I am more than cool with. Grabbed a burrito and now I'm back at the office.

I'll be setting them up after the deck I am riding now. Didn't really need trucks but for $23, 3 hours out of the office and a burrito it made for a tight Friday so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2019, 01:30:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/P3ax7Ea.jpg?1)

Really nice! Thank you. I like the new Ace logo on the baseplate. Look basically the same otherwise. More noticeable “44” stamp into the hanger. If that baseplate is truly forged, I think I’ll be going back to Ace as soon as these are released 🤘🏻
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 11, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
Those definitely look a bit meatier in the hanger, for better or worse. Hard to tell if that's a forged plate or not, still looks pretty thick, but I'm guessing they want to keep the height the same (which is perfect imo). Bushings look the same as well thankfully, hope they don't go the Bones insert route that someone mentioned as a possible 'upgrade.' Should definitely just offer harder duro's for the people that need it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 12, 2019, 09:13:33 AM
Hovering on the brink of trying some aces out. I skated ventures for 20 years and switched to Indy in the spring when I realized that a deeper/surfier turn is what works best for me. It was part of a huge wave of gear madness I went through and I am hesitant to re-open that door. A little bugged out by the idea of losing some WB length, but also realizing that recently that I don't like as long a WB as I once thought.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TooManyPros on October 12, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
Hovering on the brink of trying some aces out. I skated ventures for 20 years and switched to Indy in the spring when I realized that a deeper/surfier turn is what works best for me. It was part of a huge wave of gear madness I went through and I am hesitant to re-open that door. A little bugged out by the idea of losing some WB length, but also realizing that recently that I don't like as long a WB as I once thought.

If deeper and surfier is your jam, ACEs would be the peanut butter. Rumor has it new sizes (and who knows what improvements we might get as well) are on the way. Patience, grashoppa.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 12, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
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The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.
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I really wish this image would appear.
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yes, pics or it didn't happen.
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Ditto,

Damn I can’t wait

Wow a forged hangar?
I wonder what that’s gonna grind like

Full Forged? fuuuuuuuuck that would be sick + hollow  :o
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2019, 02:05:31 PM
I didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 12, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
I didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?

I'm gonna assume that whoever said it originally meant forged baseplates. Forging a hanger would be.... difficult to say the very least unless Ace is working with an astonishingly high r&d budget. You'd have to forge weld aluminum around an axle, don't think that's ever been done. That'd be some artisanal truck shit, cost would be insane.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 12, 2019, 02:56:16 PM
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Hovering on the brink of trying some aces out. I skated ventures for 20 years and switched to Indy in the spring when I realized that a deeper/surfier turn is what works best for me. It was part of a huge wave of gear madness I went through and I am hesitant to re-open that door. A little bugged out by the idea of losing some WB length, but also realizing that recently that I don't like as long a WB as I once thought.
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If deeper and surfier is your jam, ACEs would be the peanut butter. Rumor has it new sizes (and who knows what improvements we might get as well) are on the way. Patience, grashoppa.

They were very cheap ($24 for the set of 44s) at a nearby Zumiez and I couldn't resist. Short on spending money right now, so the compromise had to be made to sate my curiosity.

Skated them for about an hour and a half and I really like them. Stock bushing tightened up (almost miraculously so) after about a half hour, and in spite of my height I do not mind the shorter WB at all. Running them with some Modus risers I have laying around and they do look nice together.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on October 12, 2019, 03:25:12 PM
Any ideas on when the new versions will drop? Looking to pick up a new pair, but rather wait till the 'upgraded' models are out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 12, 2019, 03:31:00 PM
Any ideas on when the new versions will drop? Looking to pick up a new pair, but rather wait till the 'upgraded' models are out.

On their insta when people ask about 8.5's they usually mention changes coming around the new year. So kind of vague, but hopefully more solid info comes out in the next couple months.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2019, 04:50:14 PM
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I didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?
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I'm gonna assume that whoever said it originally meant forged baseplates. Forging a hanger would be.... difficult to say the very least unless Ace is working with an astonishingly high r&d budget. You'd have to forge weld aluminum around an axle, don't think that's ever been done. That'd be some artisanal truck shit, cost would be insane.   

This makes total sense. Plus, I’d imagine it would take a long time to build a groove meanwhile the axle is still the same strength so if it bent or slipped you’d be bummed with way less money in your pocket on top of it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 12, 2019, 05:47:14 PM
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I didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?
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I'm gonna assume that whoever said it originally meant forged baseplates. Forging a hanger would be.... difficult to say the very least unless Ace is working with an astonishingly high r&d budget. You'd have to forge weld aluminum around an axle, don't think that's ever been done. That'd be some artisanal truck shit, cost would be insane.   
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This makes total sense. Plus, I’d imagine it would take a long time to build a groove meanwhile the axle is still the same strength so if it bent or slipped you’d be bummed with way less money in your pocket on top of it.

Absolutely. Plus from a functionality standpoint, you'd have a massive forge weld line running the length of the hanger which could fracture and delaminate at any point, a high likelihood of material failure. With a forged baseplate it's a just a single pressed piece of aluminum, which eliminates all of the above.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 12, 2019, 05:56:34 PM
i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.

oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 12, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.

oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum

If you feel that way, why bother?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 12, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
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i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.

oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum
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If you feel that way, why bother?
the turning, obviously.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on October 12, 2019, 11:30:43 PM
The turning is amazing

If that’s how old stage Indy’s were...man, indy messed up not working with Joey
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 13, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔

Oh well. I have 4 sets of V 1, 2 & 3 44s, 1 set of the V3 55s, 1 set of 5.8 Ventures and 1 set of Thunder 149 Titanium Lights to go through until I need new trucks so I can likely wait a good while until I need new trucks unless Ace comes out with a 8.75ish axle truck. If they do, I might just have to get a set. 😬
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on October 13, 2019, 02:51:17 AM
It is entirely forged according to Joey. Other noticeable changes than the hanger. The pivot cup hole is much deeper. Possibly the same as krux. The hanger for this 44 seems a lot shorter than the previous 44’s. Possibly aligning with the rumors of size revisions. The bushings went back to a harder duro but it’s more responsive. Maybe a much harder top but semi soft bottom bushing. He also mentioned that this will be under their own distro. No ties to emirco. Releasing sometime next year but with more tweaks to go before it’s released.

Bottom pic is from Jef Hartsel. He was also there that night.
(https://i.imgur.com/BnBHGVr_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 13, 2019, 04:22:44 AM
It is entirely forged according to Joey. Other noticeable changes than the hanger. The pivot cup hole is much deeper. Possibly the same as krux. The hanger for this 44 seems a lot shorter than the previous 44’s. Possibly aligning with the rumors of size revisions. The bushings went back to a harder duro but it’s more responsive. Maybe a much harder top but semi soft bottom bushing. He also mentioned that this will be under their own distro. No ties to emirco. Releasing sometime next year but with more tweaks to go before it’s released.

Bottom pic is from Jef Hartsel. He was also there that night.

In a just world Joey T. would undercut Indy by making an entirely forged truck, but I'm at a total loss as to how a hanger would be forged. The aluminum would have to be either pounded and welded around the axle, or the axle would have to be drifted through through 8 inches of aluminum... and then somehow permanently affixed. I'm 100% willing to be proven wrong if someone with some details/more knowledge wants to chime in.

Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔


Hard to say. Best case they'd be more or less the same weight. I suppose if they used 7075 alloy it might be lighter, but the cost would be up there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on October 13, 2019, 06:57:13 AM
They better not fuck these things up. I've only had v2 and v3s, but love them both. I hope these new ones don't feel too different where I yearn for an older version like I did with Indies. I preferred stage 9s & 10s over 11s, like many people do with stages even further back. It doesn't seem like people feel that way about Aces yet, but with the amount of tweaks they're doing it will inevitably happen.
I like the latest version of Indy’s. I have crushed the baseplate on a set of stage 9’s kingpin and all.

I will say Indy’s have a good turning radius just unmatched by Ace’s. I assume they’re made for bowl trolls and the likes there in however I spent an entire day skating a few loading docks and haven’t had any issues with bending any other stuff that Indy’s have had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on October 13, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
Welp, looks like I’ll be stocking up on some more 44’s!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 13, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.

oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum

As blunt as this is...Ace brought this kind of expectation upon themselves and you’re probably not wrong on any of it. It’s why I switched back to Indy. However, it’s like you said...that dang turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 13, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔

Oh well. I have 4 sets of V 1, 2 & 3 44s, 1 set of the V3 55s, 1 set of 5.8 Ventures and 1 set of Thunder 149 Titanium Lights to go through until I need new trucks so I can likely wait a good while until I need new trucks unless Ace comes out with a 8.75ish axle truck. If they do, I might just have to get a set. 😬

What do you prefer between the ventures and thunders? Why?

That’s my current dilemma.
Should just skate 44s, but the weight
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 13, 2019, 11:01:20 AM
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Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔

Oh well. I have 4 sets of V 1, 2 & 3 44s, 1 set of the V3 55s, 1 set of 5.8 Ventures and 1 set of Thunder 149 Titanium Lights to go through until I need new trucks so I can likely wait a good while until I need new trucks unless Ace comes out with a 8.75ish axle truck. If they do, I might just have to get a set. 😬
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What do you prefer between the ventures and thunders? Why?

That’s my current dilemma.
Should just skate 44s, but the weight

I got them both when I was going through gear madness. The Thunders at the tail end of my period of insanity so I didn't get much skating done with them. I kinda liked them both but stock bushings were too hard. On Ventures they're easily replaced but on Thunders it's trickier as they're different height than most others so I never bothered. Once I'll actually skate them more properly I might have something to say but now this is pretty much all insight I have to give.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on October 13, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
It is entirely forged according to Joey. Other noticeable changes than the hanger. The pivot cup hole is much deeper. Possibly the same as krux. The hanger for this 44 seems a lot shorter than the previous 44’s. Possibly aligning with the rumors of size revisions. The bushings went back to a harder duro but it’s more responsive. Maybe a much harder top but semi soft bottom bushing. He also mentioned that this will be under their own distro. No ties to emirco. Releasing sometime next year but with more tweaks to go before it’s released.
i wonder if this will prolong the life of pivot cups
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 13, 2019, 01:31:13 PM
as others have said, there's no way in hell the hangar is forged.

Curious to see what the other updates are
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 13, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
Aren't Krux based off Stage IIs (ACE being Stage III?); that would explain the deeper pivot cups?

Sounds like we're going to lose the 44 @ 8.375" axle and end up with an 8.25" and 8.5". Better stock up (and nab some more of the new, soon to be old, bushings).

I'm still hoping for a hollow'd version...with that forged plate...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 13, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
Aren't Krux based off Stage IIs (ACE being Stage III?); that would explain the deeper pivot cups?

Sounds like we're going to lose the 44 @ 8.375" axle and end up with an 8.25" and 8.5". Better stock up (and nab some more of the new, soon to be old, bushings).

I'm still hoping for a hollow'd version...with that forged plate...

Stage III yeah (although sometimes people say Stage IV for the Ace inspiration, but Stage IV's had hollowed out area under the hanger... which Ace oughta be doing anyway).

As for Krux? Never heard that. Stage II's look like modern 109's. I think the whole thrust of Krux, at the time, was to make a cheaper modern Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 13, 2019, 05:27:20 PM
Indy Stage 5s were hollowed out. Ace are inspired by stage 2 or 3 geometry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 13, 2019, 07:12:40 PM
Indy Stage 5s were hollowed out. Ace are inspired by stage 2 or 3 geometry.

My bad, long day. You're right about V's having the hollowed underside. But Tershay and Grosso talk about Aces being based on Stage III's on the truck episode of Love Letters. Although there's hints of II with the hanger being round and proud of the pivot wing, and stage IV's with the smoothed out pivot area. Very much a distillation of all the good things from early Indy's.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: potpie on October 13, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
15 posts in a day about trucks 16 including mine indirectly about trucks, nice

commitment
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: southphillytapwater on October 13, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
I don't know why they would change the bushings, they're perfect the way they are.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 13, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
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If you want your risers flush you can get risers with oval shape holes so you can position them however you like... Pretty handy.

(https://www.tactics.com/a/2mft/2/bones-skateboard-riser-pads-black.jpg)
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They're also just plastic a razor blade or even a drill would make quick work of it

my Base plate holes look like this. Rattled out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 14, 2019, 12:48:08 AM
I don't know why they would change the bushings, they're perfect the way they are.
This. I have one spare set, looks like I need to cop few more...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on October 14, 2019, 09:41:16 AM
I’ll try whatever they put out but it looks like I’m going to be scooping some current 44s and 55s for sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthulhu! on October 14, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
Time to hoard bushings

(https://i.ibb.co/S5Rh8wC/ace.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 14, 2019, 11:03:20 AM
Don't bushing panic. I bet they are going to offer more bushing options not less.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 14, 2019, 11:13:20 AM
Don't bushing panic. I bet they are going to offer more bushing options not less.

But will they be the same?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on October 17, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
So I have 44s and 55s and am contemplating setting up an 8.75 deck. Which truck would you guys recommend for the board? It’s a Quasi pop I’ve had hanging on my wall for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on October 17, 2019, 11:56:39 AM
If it's a full shape go for the 55s. If the shape tapers, go for the 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on October 17, 2019, 12:30:25 PM
If it's a full shape go for the 55s. If the shape tapers, go for the 44s.
Thanks for the help!!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 17, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)

Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.

They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.

The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.

These were 44s and they were 8.25".  55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".

I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 17, 2019, 04:46:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)

Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.

They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.

The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.

These were 44s and they were 8.25".  55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".

I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.

C'est la vie 8.38's... Bummer. And Ace 44's were already damn near 400g per truck. With a true 8.5 amount of hanger and thicker overall design you'd be looking at Indy Stage VII weight.  I am interested to hear about the tech behind the new process if they ever elaborate on it though. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 17, 2019, 04:50:40 PM
The thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 17, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
The thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.

For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.

(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)

After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on October 17, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
This update seems like the best of both worlds for me, I love the heft, height, and size range of Indys. Thanks for posting they look sick!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 17, 2019, 06:54:43 PM
Doesn’t really look much different. New “ACE” logo on the baseplate, “44” on the opposite side. Trivial amount of thickness added to hanger. Baseplate doesn’t look taller to the naked eye. Heavier truck that will still bend no matter how much “stronger” the hanger alloy is. It needs to be reinforced like others have said, and the baseplate forged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 17, 2019, 07:07:42 PM
They are pretty dam different in person. The baseplate was a 1/8" thicker but apparently this is going back to the standard height.  Heavy claims that these things are pretty indestructible, forged or not the metal is different. Going to have to wait a good few months to find out unless you know an Ace rider.

I for one am frothing to try them. Especially an 8.75"er.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 17, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
This update seems like the best of both worlds for me, I love the heft, height, and size range of Indys. Thanks for posting they look sick!

No worries. I snuck a few photos when the shop owner was helping a customer. Hope I'm not blowing it for anyone...  ;D But he did bring them out of hiding  to show me...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on October 17, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)

Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.

They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.

The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.

These were 44s and they were 8.25".  55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".

I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.

Hopefully QC and the new manufacturing process are legit, they look good. The extra heft on the hanger looks nice for kingpin clearance
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 17, 2019, 11:04:53 PM
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For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.

(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)

After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.

I agree with this. Remove the unnecessary heft. Fuck, ask some company that does stress calculation analyses to come up with a plan on what to remove underside so that it doesn't affect the strength too much. Also the sizes sound wild. 66s at 8.75" while they're 9.35" now.  :o That's sure to cause a lot of confusion for a good while especially if they just sell them as Ace 66s like before instead of specifying that this is the new version. Also I think they should also make 88s at 9.5" or something for the real big bois. Would go well with Joey T's support of Jason Jessee also…  :-X
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 18, 2019, 01:01:54 AM
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The thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.
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For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.

(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)

After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.
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I agree with this. Remove the unnecessary heft. Fuck, ask some company that does stress calculation analyses to come up with a plan on what to remove underside so that it doesn't affect the strength too much. Also the sizes sound wild. 66s at 8.75" while they're 9.35" now.  :o That's sure to cause a lot of confusion for a good while especially if they just sell them as Ace 66s like before instead of specifying that this is the new version. Also I think they should also make 88s at 9.5" or something for the real big bois. Would go well with Joey T's support of Jason Jessee also…  :-X

Narrower sizing for a 215 style truck would be soooo sick. And yes I saw Danny Dicola do it, and no I’m not gonna try it. 8.5 215!??! Whew would be stoked.

The new aces look decent. I’ve always liked there weird sizes, and I think it helps a bit: it was very common for people to do the 7.75 on 129s, same ratio as the 8.125 on 139s....you get a little more leverage, and less wheelbite. Whatever. I’m running the more on trend 149s with 8.38, and it’s workjng great. Really rambling
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on October 18, 2019, 09:44:43 AM
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The thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.
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For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.

(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)

After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.
215s are not hollowed out, only 129~169s are.

and i agree, what ace should do is this :
(https://i.imgur.com/mdzxx8P.jpg)
if they're gonna copy the old indy design, they might as well do it right. notice how the front of the truck is still very slim and beautiful while the back is thicker and has a reverse triangle shape spanning the full length of the hanger. this provides strength while not sacrificing the sleak design too much. what ace have done here is just making the trucks heavier, they haven't actually reinforced anything. the hangers are still “straight” in a mediocre way and its really fucking ugly too. i suggest they go back to v2/v3 design while reinforcing the back end...forged plates sound dope and hollow king pins are surely a step in the right direction....yea and the sizing already sounds like a disaster. not keeping the old sizes is really dumb. just add an 8.5 size and get on with it JEEZ
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on October 18, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
I wonder if the metal process is some sort of heat treat to make it harder. But I’m not sure if you can heat treat aluminum.

Edit/ aluminum can be heat treated.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 18, 2019, 02:35:03 PM
I wonder if the metal process is some sort of heat treat to make it harder. But I’m not sure if you can heat treat aluminum.

Edit/ aluminum can be heat treated.

It's not without risks when applied to something like a skate truck which takes constant blunt impact. Plus, hardening is usually reserved for aluminum milled/machined from a solid billet. I'm totally ignorant of whether or not you can even harden cast aluminum, but I'd be inclined to think the amount of voids/micro bubbles that happen when casting could lead to some trouble if you hardened it.

And I AM is right, the 215's aren't hollowed out on the underside. The pic I posted, someone stitched pics of a normal Stage XI and 215 together, my bad.  That said, older Theeve hangers which were built around Ace baseplates did have a skinny weight relieved hanger (and the all Ti truck still uses that design), so it is doable. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 18, 2019, 06:45:42 PM
44s are going to be 8.25? Guess it’s time to try Film trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on October 19, 2019, 12:49:36 AM
Also I think they should also make 88s at 9.5" or something for the real big bois. Would go well with Joey T's support of Jason Jessee also…  :-X

:D

And yeah, changing the size of 44's sounds like a bummer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 19, 2019, 09:14:42 AM
Are people really that much in need of an 8 3/8" truck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UncleRandy69 on October 19, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
44s going from 8.38 to 8.25 pretty much takes everything they had to offer me of the table.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on October 19, 2019, 09:37:48 AM
I find it funny that a big bitch about Ace 44s is that they aren’t a true 8.5”, and now that they are going to have one (the 55), people say Ace is dead to them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 19, 2019, 09:41:16 AM
Agreed. They will have more size options than most truck manufacturers once these sizes come out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 19, 2019, 09:45:02 AM
I find it funny that a big bitch about Ace 44s is that they aren’t a true 8.5”, and now that they are going to have one (the 55), people say Ace is dead to them.

Part of why I was hoping they’d not change. People just complain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 19, 2019, 10:19:44 AM
Are people really that much in need of an 8 3/8" truck?

If they OCD enough I guess, but 8.3/8 truck is the wonkiest size out there but made it easier to cover 8.25-8.3.x instead of going 8" or 8.5'.

People can still ride ML if they want and 8.38 and they wouldn't be that disappointed...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 19, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
I find it funny that a big bitch about Ace 44s is that they aren’t a true 8.5”, and now that they are going to have one (the 55), people say Ace is dead to them.

People definitely complained there was no true 8.5" but I'd argue there was a near equal amount of people who liked the 8.3." Every time someone brought up the 8.5" there'd always be a slew of posts about 'sure, as long as they keep the 44/I hope they keep the 44.' etc. even in this thread.

44's are perfect for me cause I bounce between 8.3 to 8.5" decks, and could go down to 8.25" without much worry, which is nice. But I'm just one dude and the people definitely asked for an 8.5, and I understand it's not financially viable to offer a 8.25,8.3, and 8.5 for a smaller company.

Edit: Went back a bit and read up on this thread to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. I think the more general complaint was it went 8.3" (44) to 9" (55), with no middle ground. Personally I see way more worth with a 44 that's 8.3" vs an 8.25." I'd say leave the 44's as is and make the 55's 8.5." 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 19, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
Are people really that much in need of an 8 3/8" truck?
not really, but the size did let you play with a lot of board sizes; pretty much anywhere from 8.18 - 8.75. I’m not saying I’ll never buy aces again, I just thought that was a good size truck, will probably snag another pair of the old ones before they become hard to find
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 19, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
Size name changes I couldn't care. I love my aces they turn nice. The brand feels like early venture and thunders

Which were both like an indy3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on October 19, 2019, 10:19:16 PM
Does ace run ads in print magazines? I don't subscribe to any skate mags right now, so I'm wondering how they look
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on October 19, 2019, 10:25:07 PM
Does ace run ads in print magazines? I don't subscribe to any skate mags right now, so I'm wondering how they look
  Its not an issue (ha)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
Damn I really liked the height of the classics,

I guess it was a good thing I got another set of 44’s

What was wrong with the 52mm height of the current aces? I hate the tippy height of 55mm stage XI Indy’s and v2 aces

The current v3 ace classics are so good, maybe lose some weight and make the metal quality more like ermico and I’ll be such a die hard ace fan

But back to 54/55mm tall and heavier? So it’s a better turning Indy stage 11?

I feel like the current version is a good competitor to the top 3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 21, 2019, 07:40:51 AM
All ace versions have been 52mm tall I’m pretty sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 21, 2019, 08:44:41 AM
I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 21, 2019, 08:49:53 AM
I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?

I’d do a strong no.
Bones are great in ventures.
Ace have excellent bushings. It’ll feel weird for a few days, but if you just skate them without any mods, factory tight, they start to feel better. It takes a minute tho. Imo it’s way worth it to try the truck the way it ‘should’ be.
Resist the urge to fuck with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 21, 2019, 08:50:36 AM
Damn I really liked the height of the classics,

I guess it was a good thing I got another set of 44’s

What was wrong with the 52mm height of the current aces? I hate the tippy height of 55mm stage XI Indy’s and v2 aces

The current v3 ace classics are so good, maybe lose some weight and make the metal quality more like ermico and I’ll be such a die hard ace fan

But back to 54/55mm tall and heavier? So it’s a better turning Indy stage 11?

I feel like the current version is a good competitor to the top 3

They are going to keep them the same height as the current ones... the prototypes had thicker baseplates is all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 21, 2019, 09:36:38 AM
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I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
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I’d do a strong no.
Bones are great in ventures.
Ace have excellent bushings. It’ll feel weird for a few days, but if you just skate them without any mods, factory tight, they start to feel better. It takes a minute tho. Imo it’s way worth it to try the truck the way it ‘should’ be.
Resist the urge to fuck with them.

Word, appreciate the feedback. I've been running bones for years so instinctively I have the urge to swap before I even ride them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on October 21, 2019, 09:40:49 AM
I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?

What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 21, 2019, 09:43:15 AM
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?

I've used Bones in every set of trucks the last 8 years. Just a habit at this point. Haven't ridden the stock yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 21, 2019, 09:53:13 AM
I bought my first set of Aces used and the dude who sold them to me didn't bother telling me he chucked the stock bushings and washers and only had Bones bushings in them. I did not like them with Bones bushings. Can't remember exactly what it was but I think they were somehow restricting the turn. Got Ace aftermarket bushings after a while and since then I've absolutely loved Aces. Great trucks and great stock bushings. Fucking with them will only make the trucks worse and you don't want that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 21, 2019, 10:07:39 AM
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I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?
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I've used Bones in every set of trucks the last 8 years. Just a habit at this point. Haven't ridden the stock yet.

Bones just work. You can skate the day of new trucks and have an enjoyable experience, they are a very consistent product. Well until they break. They really liven up ventures.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on October 21, 2019, 10:16:35 AM
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I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?
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I've used Bones in every set of trucks the last 8 years. Just a habit at this point. Haven't ridden the stock yet.
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Bones just work. You can skate the day of new trucks and have an enjoyable experience, they are a very consistent product. Well until they break. They really liven up ventures.

Yup, I've been on Thunder for like 10 years, venture since like March of this year. All with Bones and all performed extremely well for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: padded_shorts on October 21, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
It's getting cold and my aces started doing the thing where the bottom bushing pops out of the washer. I'm assuming this is the cold hardening the bushing. I had been loving them up until this. Put on some Thunders for now, but I will go back to the Aces once it warms up again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 21, 2019, 11:58:26 AM
Yeah, I really don’t know why people love the new bushings so much. The washers dug into them immediately, and they’d constantly get stuck leaning one side. Indy washers fix it but they’re still way too soft for my liking.

Bones bushings work fine in Ace’s, just use a bottom cup washer underneath if you wanna keep the stock geo. Or don’t, and put a bones washer underneath and on top...super turny.

I still think Krux aftermarkets are the best in Ace’s. They won’t break like Bones inevitably will, and they have perfect rebound, no flop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 21, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever,  just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.

My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on October 21, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever,  just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.

My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.

I didn't get a chance to break them in.  I put the trucks (66s) on the deck, and without touching the tightness they popped out doing a garage ollie.  I put them back in and tried looser and they popped out again.  Leaning the board would cause them to pop out no matter the tightness.    Zero ability to break in a bushing when it won't stay in for 10 seconds.


I weigh 178 lbs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 21, 2019, 12:35:54 PM
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Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever,  just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.

My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
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I didn't get a chance to break them in.  I put the trucks (66s) on the deck, and without touching the tightness they popped out doing a garage ollie.  I put them back in and tried looser and they popped out again.  Leaning the board would cause them to pop out no matter the tightness.    Zero ability to break in a bushing when it won't stay in for 10 seconds.


I weigh 178 lbs.

Fair enough.
I try and skate, for transport, for awhile first. But you really should*** NOT****have to do that. Since adopting my hands off approach I haven’t had any problems. I will dab some speed cream on the pivot after a week or so.
Again, my apologies to those that have had this scenario. Sounds frustrating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: padded_shorts on October 21, 2019, 12:53:41 PM
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever,  just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.

My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
I had been riding mine for a couple of months without any issue. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it's the cold weather. it was about 40 out. The cold stiffens up the bushings, they don't give as they should and it pops out. I was really liking them and will get them out again when it gets warm again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 21, 2019, 02:40:42 PM
As backinaction said, you can’t break in a bushing that won’t even sit properly. My experiences were the same. 210lbs here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: animalflesh on October 21, 2019, 03:56:34 PM
I weigh 225 and beat the shit out of my trucks and have never had an issue with ace bushings

Maybe it’s just a weird quality control issue with inconsistent product but I’ve owned and skated through 6 sets of Ace trucks now and the only problem I’ve ever had was a few shitty nuts unthreading themselves
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on October 21, 2019, 04:43:48 PM
I experienced the same thing with some Krux 8.5".  Didn't make it out of the garage with the stock bushings on those either.

Indy, Mini Logo, Thunder and Royal - no problems with the bushings being seated.

I'm currently running Mini Logo medium bushings in the Ace - because that's what I had in the toolbox when the Ace blew out. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 21, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
Yes, I broke them in properly, yes they popped out almost immediately. Great once broken in but those first few rolls were annoying
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 21, 2019, 10:28:49 PM
i was randomly on the website and looked at the team list- one solid fucking team

id wanna try aces again but the thought of having to basically re learn everything sucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on October 22, 2019, 10:48:32 AM
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I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
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I ride a bones top.

What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?


I just liked it better. My trucks feel like there's no top bushings but there is
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on November 27, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
does anybody know if oski rides the 44s or55s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on November 27, 2019, 03:19:22 PM
does anybody know if oski rides the 44s or55s?
ask him on instagram
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on November 27, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
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does anybody know if oski rides the 44s or55s?
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ask him on instagram
And don't forget to do it like a man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 27, 2019, 03:51:12 PM
Bent a 55 doing nothing that should bend a truck. The turn, warranty, etc., but damn still a bummer.  Make better shit, Ace, the end.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on November 27, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
I don't want to believe that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 27, 2019, 05:11:46 PM
Bent a 55 doing nothing that should bend a truck. The turn, warranty, etc., but damn still a bummer.  Make better shit, Ace, the end.

Yep. Multiple bends various sizes, bought 66’s and noticed post-mount they were bent before I skated them. Too many broken baseplates. Turn, warranty...doesn’t really make up for it. They came on the market in what...’08? Long enough to get their QC under control.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 27, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
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Bent a 55 doing nothing that should bend a truck. The turn, warranty, etc., but damn still a bummer.  Make better shit, Ace, the end.
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Yep. Multiple bends various sizes, bought 66’s and noticed post-mount they were bent before I skated them. Too many broken baseplates. Turn, warranty...doesn’t really make up for it. They came on the market in what...’08? Long enough to get their QC under control.

It's pretty sad that 13 years on and the quality control is only marginally better. I have high hopes for this net round of ACEs (having just jumped back onto a set). Forged plate with hollow pin and some type of forged voodoo hanger. Could be a contender.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on November 27, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
Weird, I’ve gone through 3 sets of ace with no issues (2 44s and currently on 55s) and I’m on the heavy side at 205lbs. My only gripe has been the bushings of the 55s (too soft and they slipped around). I found a nice solution though.

I had 2 sets of aftermarket Indy hard bushings, 1 set conical, 1 set barrel. I use a big barrel for the deck side and a big conical for the ground side. I sanded them all down so that when tightened, the kingpin nut is flush and it’s a medium tightness for my taste. Very happy now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on November 27, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever,  just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.

My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
Eh I dunno, maybe I’m a picky man child but my first 2 sets of 44s had great stock bushings but these ‘newer’ 55s might as well have come stock with gummy bears. Definitely different than the past. My time to skate is unfortunately limited so I’d rather just swap them out and be 😃
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on November 27, 2019, 06:14:22 PM
Out of the box, my 44s and 55s were also slightly bent. I can't say I feel it, but the uneven wear that it puts on wheels is significant and quite annoying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on November 27, 2019, 06:43:53 PM
Yes close to pulling but these type of posts keep popping up. What was it?
Sorry I throw on a set of trucks last thing I wanna worry about it switching out their bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 27, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
New metal coming in Spring? Thicker hangers and proportional support.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on November 27, 2019, 08:09:43 PM
New metal coming in Spring? Thicker hangers and proportional support.
yeah I’m here for it + the marketing push
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on November 28, 2019, 12:04:37 AM
Anyone know the cheapest place to buy Ace 55s online? My hangers are ready to pop and no shops near me carry them. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dan brown on November 28, 2019, 09:31:01 AM
Out of the box, my 44s and 55s were also slightly bent. I can't say I feel it, but the uneven wear that it puts on wheels is significant and quite annoying.

Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker. All I'm saying is Alot of people have been jumping from indy to ace lately, I just saw a photo of sage elleser riding them, Daryl angel is on board, even 36 year indy lapdog Jeff grosso has left them for ace. No one's seems to have left ace to ride for another truck company, everyone's coming to them. I back em forever I reckon, can't bring myself to set up an old set of Indy's or thunders anymore
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2019, 10:33:46 AM
Wonder what will happen when Indy comes out with a stage 12 that beats the stage 3 geo and already have better QC than Ace’s 13 years of trying lol. Will they switch back with their tail between their legs?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on November 28, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
Anyone know the cheapest place to buy Ace 55s online? My hangers are ready to pop and no shops near me carry them. Thanks.

Cheapest I have seen is $35.50 at Daddies for the blue ones, using their 15% coupon from their homepage
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 28, 2019, 01:48:30 PM
Wonder what will happen when Indy comes out with a stage 12 that beats the stage 3 geo and already have better QC than Ace’s 13 years of trying lol. Will they switch back with their tail between their legs?

You seem to have strong faith in Indy coming up with a stage 12 that'll have better geometry than Ace. If it was that simple, why haven't Indys been like that since stage 3?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on November 28, 2019, 03:11:28 PM
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Out of the box, my 44s and 55s were also slightly bent. I can't say I feel it, but the uneven wear that it puts on wheels is significant and quite annoying.
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker. All I'm saying is Alot of people have been jumping from indy to ace lately, I just saw a photo of sage elleser riding them, Daryl angel is on board, even 36 year indy lapdog Jeff grosso has left them for ace. No one's seems to have left ace to ride for another truck company, everyone's coming to them. I back em forever I reckon, can't bring myself to set up an old set of Indy's or thunders anymore

Darryl Angel is not a selling point for any brand, and if Tershay were a smart man he'd put a highway's worth of distance between himself and that tool. Also, Sage rules but he's been on Aces for a while. Good recent additions: Max Palmer, Diego Todd, and Nick Boserio. And as you mentioned, Grosso himself. Tons of lower key NYC rippers on them as well.

There's definitely been real backlash against Indy over the last year, no doubt. And you can't chalk it up to Venture or Ace having superior marketing or better incentives over the monolith that is NHS. Something weird went down that shooed people away but no one's come out and said what it was, Grosso vaguely intimated it was "business" related and not mutual when he dipped, but that's about it. And given that a lot of people who've left (like Bobby Worrest) have lots of nice things to say about the TM (Rhino) it might be more top down, i.e NHS higher ups pulling some weird shit than the Indy brand itself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on November 28, 2019, 03:14:58 PM

Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.

My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on November 28, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.
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My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..

You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 28, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.
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My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..
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You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?

ben degros said that aces have more meat near the center of the hanger so it could be that. or his trucks are just actually fucked
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on November 28, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.
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My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..
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You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?

This. Or if your wheels are heavily used they can wear unevenly and have the same effect. I'm not saying you're axels aren't actually bent, but you gotta eliminate all the variables.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on November 28, 2019, 04:22:00 PM
ben degros said that aces have more meat near the center of the hanger so it could be that. or his trucks are just actually fucked
those are the old design. they're supposed to be straight now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on November 28, 2019, 08:56:31 PM
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Anyone know the cheapest place to buy Ace 55s online? My hangers are ready to pop and no shops near me carry them. Thanks.
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Cheapest I have seen is $35.50 at Daddies for the blue ones, using their 15% coupon from their homepage

Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 28, 2019, 09:53:42 PM
should i wait for the updated "55" or should i bite the bullet on a pair for $36 at my local?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on November 28, 2019, 10:01:32 PM
I've skated a new set a 44's for 2 sessions now and did not tighten/loosen them to see if they would break in and start feeling good.
When do they get good? They just feel really tight and my board just wants to go straight.
I finally loosened them a half turn but they're not feeling much better. For the record my favorite truck is a loose Indy 149.

edit: also my front bushing started to bulge over the washer 20 minutes into the first sesh. Help.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on November 28, 2019, 10:08:47 PM
I feel like it took about a month of skating them for them to feel like my Indys did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 29, 2019, 12:35:05 AM
I've skated a new set a 44's for 2 sessions now and did not tighten/loosen them to see if they would break in and start feeling good.
When do they get good? They just feel really tight and my board just wants to go straight.
I finally loosened them a half turn but they're not feeling much better. For the record my favorite truck is a loose Indy 149.

edit: also my front bushing started to bulge over the washer 20 minutes into the first sesh. Help.

Depends on the "version". The v1s took about 3 to 5 sessions to break in properly. Annoying but manageable. The v2s with the stupid axle nuts never broke in (15+ sessions). Someone here said they had shorter kingpins. The V3s took a maximum of 3 sessions to feel perfect. Sadly the Ace washers are trash. They're too thick and too small. Changing them to Indy washers (or any "normal" washer) will make the trucks feel more broken in instantly and you don't have to worry about the washers digging into the bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2019, 12:31:26 PM
I've skated a new set a 44's for 2 sessions now and did not tighten/loosen them to see if they would break in and start feeling good.
When do they get good? They just feel really tight and my board just wants to go straight.
I finally loosened them a half turn but they're not feeling much better. For the record my favorite truck is a loose Indy 149.

edit: also my front bushing started to bulge over the washer 20 minutes into the first sesh. Help.

I setup some ACEs last week, 1/2 turn looser from stock to start then another half a turn a day or two later and left them. Feel great. I'm also in the loose truck camp.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on November 29, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
Feel like weight comes in to play when discussing stock tightness or “loose” trucks. Not all created equally depending on the user. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on November 29, 2019, 05:10:03 PM

Darryl Angel is not a selling point for any brand, and if Tershay were a smart man he'd put a highway's worth of distance between himself and that tool. Also, Sage rules but he's been on Aces for a while. Good recent additions: Max Palmer, Diego Todd, and Nick Boserio. And as you mentioned, Grosso himself. Tons of lower key NYC rippers on them as well.

There's definitely been real backlash against Indy over the last year, no doubt. And you can't chalk it up to Venture or Ace having superior marketing or better incentives over the monolith that is NHS. Something weird went down that shooed people away but no one's come out and said what it was, Grosso vaguely intimated it was "business" related and not mutual when he dipped, but that's about it. And given that a lot of people who've left (like Bobby Worrest) have lots of nice things to say about the TM (Rhino) it might be more top down, i.e NHS higher ups pulling some weird shit than the Indy brand itself.

When did Boserio get on? He’s not listed on the site and I had no idea.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on November 29, 2019, 05:20:09 PM
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Darryl Angel is not a selling point for any brand, and if Tershay were a smart man he'd put a highway's worth of distance between himself and that tool. Also, Sage rules but he's been on Aces for a while. Good recent additions: Max Palmer, Diego Todd, and Nick Boserio. And as you mentioned, Grosso himself. Tons of lower key NYC rippers on them as well.

There's definitely been real backlash against Indy over the last year, no doubt. And you can't chalk it up to Venture or Ace having superior marketing or better incentives over the monolith that is NHS. Something weird went down that shooed people away but no one's come out and said what it was, Grosso vaguely intimated it was "business" related and not mutual when he dipped, but that's about it. And given that a lot of people who've left (like Bobby Worrest) have lots of nice things to say about the TM (Rhino) it might be more top down, i.e NHS higher ups pulling some weird shit than the Indy brand itself.
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When did Boserio get on? He’s not listed on the site and I had no idea.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5S9VezJ4fP/

Happened recently. I find this one to be pretty weird cause he was featured in a bunch of NHS mini clips that weren't shit (unlike all the product pillage crap). He was sort of their OJ poster boy for non-park dudes riding massive wheels etc. I wonder if he's still on OJ or cut all ties with NHS.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 29, 2019, 05:29:56 PM
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on November 29, 2019, 05:37:20 PM
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.
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My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..
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You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?
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This. Or if your wheels are heavily used they can wear unevenly and have the same effect. I'm not saying you're axels aren't actually bent, but you gotta eliminate all the variables.

All axles in cast trucks are bent to some degree.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on November 29, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on November 29, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.

Leave em stock, best bushings in the game for sure. Takes a while for them to break in.

On another note - the shop got a hold of a bunch of aftermarket Ace Low bushings... will these fit into standard 44s or is the geo different?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on November 29, 2019, 08:53:00 PM
ace bushings are awesome. I love the turning on them once you break them in. takes a week or two to get em really nice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on November 29, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
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i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
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Leave em stock, best bushings in the game for sure. Takes a while for them to break in.

On another note - the shop got a hold of a bunch of aftermarket Ace Low bushings... will these fit into standard 44s or is the geo different?

No, they are lows for a reason



Ace is nice because of the larger top bushing, more meat ob the turn. Small washer up top in order to not limit the max turn depth
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 01, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
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i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
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report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.

sorry for the late reply. took some time to get used to them after skating thunders but i really like the turn after the first session. all my transition tricks and landings feel 10x more stable but its gonna take some time to adjust to the pop feel. i can feel that my WB was shortened but in theory, it should make things easier for me. the weight difference is big i wont bitch about it. the one thing i didnt like was that my pop was lowered but i usually ride 1/8 risers so ill see how it feels with them when it stops raining.

session was ended really early after i got folded over a spine going for a BS axle stall with my phone in pocket. frame is bent and screen shattered. never skating with my phone again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 01, 2019, 02:50:17 PM
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i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
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report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.
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sorry for the late reply. took some time to get used to them after skating thunders but i really like the turn after the first session. all my transition tricks and landings feel 10x more stable but its gonna take some time to adjust to the pop feel. i can feel that my WB was shortened but in theory, it should make things easier for me. the weight difference is big i wont bitch about it. the one thing i didnt like was that my pop was lowered but i usually ride 1/8 risers so ill see how it feels with them when it stops raining.

session was ended really early after i got folded over a spine going for a BS axle stall with my phone in pocket. frame is bent and screen shattered. never skating with my phone again.
the 15" wb isnt too much with the thunders? you went from 151 right? on the classic or shaped orange eagle

damn, sucks about your phone - i cant skate with that shit in my pocket.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 01, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
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i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
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report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.
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sorry for the late reply. took some time to get used to them after skating thunders but i really like the turn after the first session. all my transition tricks and landings feel 10x more stable but its gonna take some time to adjust to the pop feel. i can feel that my WB was shortened but in theory, it should make things easier for me. the weight difference is big i wont bitch about it. the one thing i didnt like was that my pop was lowered but i usually ride 1/8 risers so ill see how it feels with them when it stops raining.

session was ended really early after i got folded over a spine going for a BS axle stall with my phone in pocket. frame is bent and screen shattered. never skating with my phone again.
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the 15" wb isnt too much with the thunders? you went from 151 right? on the classic or shaped orange eagle

damn, sucks about your phone - i cant skate with that shit in my pocket.

i was riding trucks too small with thunder 149s. im gonna buy some 151 hollow light real soon but the 149 pop felt so  crisp when i wasnt being a baby and ghost popping. im tall and a former two sport athlete so the amount of effort to get up isnt really an issue but i definitely had to think about popping o a 15" wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 01, 2019, 10:03:54 PM
Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 02, 2019, 03:15:25 AM
Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
They sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see it
(https://i.imgur.com/lL3KLDTl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hh9hc9Ul.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on December 02, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
What Aces are the closest to Indy 169s?
What’s the weight diff?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 02, 2019, 07:27:56 AM
What Aces are the closest to Indy 169s?
What’s the weight diff?
indy 169:  9.125" axle   411.0g weight    55mm height
ace 55:     9"axle           407.2g weight    53mm height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on December 02, 2019, 07:32:04 AM
You rule, thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Filip on December 03, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
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Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
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They sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see it
(https://i.imgur.com/lL3KLDTl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hh9hc9Ul.jpg)

Dude, are you from Czech/Slovak Republic? I skate Charge boards from Darkslide guys, they are tight. If so, thats whats up!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 03, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
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Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.
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They sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see it
(https://i.imgur.com/lL3KLDTl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hh9hc9Ul.jpg)
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Dude, are you from Czech/Slovak Republic? I skate Charge boards from Darkslide guys, they are tight. If so, thats whats up!
I lived there for almost 3 years, left at the end of August. Darkslide was my local shop, I bought a lot of stuff there. Mainly Polar boards which I miss badly in here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
)sorry for the repost just didnt think to post it here at first) :o

ace trucks have almost completely cured my truck madness.

tried 55s on a 15" wb antihero and the short wb trucks just dont work for me. im accustomed to popping off the end off the tail and with a shorter wb, im forced to pop a bit further into the tail which feels alien to me. not an issue i ever had on thunders which extend wheelbase. manuals feel unnatural, and the only thing that helped with it is that the trucks were loose for me. on the other hand, aces surfy feel is really fun and they feel perfect on tranny. i just dont think its worth it at the expense of me doing just about anything else. this experience has really put me off ever owning trucks that shorten wb which takes ace, indy (which i already wasnt a huge fan of), film, and theeve. all im stuck with at the moment is thunder and venture since they are longer wb trucks. fortunately for my wallet and sanity, there isnt much to try when i exclusively am riding 9+" boards. just 151, 161, and 6.1 currently.

i personally cant own a deck with less than a 14.75 wb. at my height it feels like i have shackles around my ankles. anyone else who needs a big wheelbase to feel comfy on board, i wouldnt suggest riding trucks that shorten wb. it feels really tippy on the nose and tail and will force you to make adjustments if you want decent pop. every truck has its benefits but if the wb of your setup can be a dealbreaker id definitely consider your trucks, just my two cents.

either i keep them for a future tranny only setup or sell them cause of buyers remorse. if anyone is interested, they are lightly, and i mean lightly used. barely any grind marks on them and only have been through around 5 sessions. can send pics. pm me if you are interested to negotiate a price
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WideFeet on December 09, 2019, 12:53:11 AM
Anyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha

Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 09, 2019, 01:11:18 AM
Anyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha

Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story

People have been ditching Indy for Ace and DLX for about a year now in a pretty steady stream. Coast to coast, not just in California. As for why, no clue. But it's been pretty noticeable. I know that Indy has an enormous team, but if say, the same amount of people dipped on Spitfire in the same amount of time it would be a pretty big red flag. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 09, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
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Anyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha

Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story
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People have been ditching Indy for Ace and DLX for about a year now in a pretty steady stream. Coast to coast, not just in California. As for why, no clue. But it's been pretty noticeable. I know that Indy has an enormous team, but if say, the same amount of people dipped on Spitfire in the same amount of time it would be a pretty big red flag.

Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on December 09, 2019, 10:50:15 AM
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Anyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha

Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story
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People have been ditching Indy for Ace and DLX for about a year now in a pretty steady stream. Coast to coast, not just in California. As for why, no clue. But it's been pretty noticeable. I know that Indy has an enormous team, but if say, the same amount of people dipped on Spitfire in the same amount of time it would be a pretty big red flag.
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Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.

Maybe next time one of you sees a pro, tell them to start busting Joey T's chops about the bending problem, which I can assure you is real as fuck if I can manage to bend a 55 skating nothing but curbs, small ledges, and bowls as badly as I do.  I know they'll replace it, but I don't want to replace my trucks; I want to take them down to the axles, which shouldn't be bending in the meantime.  Ace should understand that a lot of people want that out of their trucks and do something about it because it's a company of and for skateboarders. 

Also, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 09, 2019, 11:57:34 AM
Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.

Crazy if true. BA's another guy who was on Indy since his start.

Also, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense. 

Not just older dudes. Here's a list of Indy to other brands off the top of my head in the last year. If anyone else wants to add, feel free.

Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - indy to Venture
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Donovan Piscopo  - Indy to Thunder
Grosso - Indy to Ace
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
AO - Indy to Ace
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
BA (?) - Indy to Ace

Some other names, but this is a bit earlier (early 2018?), Chris Jones and Aaron Herrington both from Indy to Thunder. John Rowe and John Devine both switched at some point to Venture and some of those Richmond VA guys rep Venture hard on Instagram (shitting on Indy in the process).
 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 09, 2019, 12:33:27 PM
In whatever it’s been...13-14 years I’m sure they’ve gotten plenty of feedback on how much their trucks bend and break from pros as much as customers. Combined, still not enough to solve the problem. If I was getting free trucks and they turned really good, I’d never deny a free box and stay on the team page *shrug*.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 09, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
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Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.
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Crazy if true. BA's another guy who was on Indy since his start.

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Also, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense. 
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Not just older dudes. Here's a list of Indy to other brands off the top of my head in the last year. If anyone else wants to add, feel free.

Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - indy to Venture
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Donovan Piscopo  - Indy to Thunder
Grosso - Indy to Ace
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
AO - Indy to Ace
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
BA (?) - Indy to Ace

Some other names, but this is a bit earlier (early 2018?), Chris Jones and Aaron Herrington both from Indy to Thunder. John Rowe and John Devine both switched at some point to Venture and some of those Richmond VA guys rep Venture hard on Instagram (shitting on Indy in the process).

Fuck the Best, Ride the Rest
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 09, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
In whatever it’s been...13-14 years I’m sure they’ve gotten plenty of feedback on how much their trucks bend and break from pros as much as customers. Combined, still not enough to solve the problem. If I was getting free trucks and they turned really good, I’d never deny a free box and stay on the team page *shrug*.

Its been said a few times but these newer versions they are working on should be a fair bit stronger. Diff metal and more hanger support. They seem heavier as a result. At least the ones I felt up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on December 09, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
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Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.
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Crazy if true. BA's another guy who was on Indy since his start.

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Also, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense. 
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Not just older dudes. Here's a list of Indy to other brands off the top of my head in the last year. If anyone else wants to add, feel free.

Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - indy to Venture
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Donovan Piscopo  - Indy to Thunder
Grosso - Indy to Ace
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
AO - Indy to Ace
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
BA (?) - Indy to Ace

Some other names, but this is a bit earlier (early 2018?), Chris Jones and Aaron Herrington both from Indy to Thunder. John Rowe and John Devine both switched at some point to Venture and some of those Richmond VA guys rep Venture hard on Instagram (shitting on Indy in the process).
Had no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from Indy
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5dVndqJvXx/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on December 09, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
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i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
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report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.

Ran this setup on a trip earlier this year. Probably my favorite combo for transition skating that I've had but it still works fine for street stuff too. Was tempted to buy another 9" eagle but after my deck expired I stepped down to an 8.75, 8.5, and so on. Just my two cents, hope it helps.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 09, 2019, 06:10:14 PM
Had no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from Indy

Sage has been on for a little while now. Think around the end of '17 I started seeing his name pop up in Ace related stuff. But still, the exodus from Indy is real. And that's the kind of gossip I wish we had more info for but I'm guessing that on account of larger business interests being involved (and the amount of cash NHS can throw around) we won't be getting the details anytime soon.

Closest thing to genuine shit talk was Andy Roy saying they (NHS) were bought out by a toy company and he didn't want to ride "Darth Vader trucks." It sounded like usual Andy Roy insanity at the time but within about 6 months all the Star Wars and TMNT and Garbage Pail Kids nostalgia collabs were happening at NHS. You have their new brand manager taking snaps with dudes in TMNT suits. Who knows, maybe we'll see Indy's being sold on Walmart completes before the Olympics air and all this will make more sense in hindsight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 09, 2019, 08:35:40 PM
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Had no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from Indy
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Sage has been on for a little while now. Think around the end of '17 I started seeing his name pop up in Ace related stuff. But still, the exodus from Indy is real. And that's the kind of gossip I wish we had more info for but I'm guessing that on account of larger business interests being involved (and the amount of cash NHS can throw around) we won't be getting the details anytime soon.

Closest thing to genuine shit talk was Andy Roy saying they (NHS) were bought out by a toy company and he didn't want to ride "Darth Vader trucks." It sounded like usual Andy Roy insanity at the time but within about 6 months all the Star Wars and TMNT and Garbage Pail Kids nostalgia collabs were happening at NHS. You have their new brand manager taking snaps with dudes in TMNT suits. Who knows, maybe we'll see Indy's being sold on Walmart completes before the Olympics air and all this will make more sense in hindsight.

He's probably referring to Bravo Sports (think Walmart boards) buying Dwindle Distribution.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106721.0

I would love to know what the hell is going on in the skate industry that has people so riled up that they actually leave the team. It really can't just be over the fact that Indy moved to China, right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 09, 2019, 08:40:20 PM
When do the new 44s that Ben Degros mentioned recently come out?  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 09, 2019, 08:42:33 PM
When do the new 44s that Ben Degros mentioned recently come out?  Any ideas?

spring 2020 supposedly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 09, 2019, 08:43:56 PM

He's probably referring to Bravo Sports (think Walmart boards) buying Dwindle Distribution.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106721.0

I would love to know what the hell is going on in the skate industry that has people so riled up that they actually leave the team. It really can't just be over the fact that Indy moved to China, right?

It was much before that, over a year ago at this point. Right before Santa Cruz did their first wave of Star Wars and TMNT crap,

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100869.0

I wouldn't buy any argument that it's some industrial protectionist thing. Ace have always been made in China. There's increasing rumblings about all DLX trucks being made in Mexico now. I've never heard any pro complain that China was the reason for the switch. Grosso even directly addressed that point in an instgram comment and said it was 'personal.'
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 10, 2019, 02:02:24 AM
Just to add. 2nd photo in this post, BA's holding an Antihero with Aces. Good enough for me.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5yKmJBpqrB/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cordyceps on December 10, 2019, 02:55:18 AM
My 2¢:

Photo 1: NHS forces BA to wear white pants.
Photo 2: Ace = You wanna hang around in men's rooms in just your boxers? Go ahead, Let your freak flag fly BA!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on December 10, 2019, 03:08:21 AM
Thinking it's anything to do with where the products are made is hilarious

Phelps is gone, people crawl in, people don't like what they see so they switch it up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shingles on December 10, 2019, 05:44:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAY7RtPBOCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAY7RtPBOCQ)

He's talking bout a new model. Don't know if you guys already talked in here about it (Dont want to go through 60 pages...) Hopefully they fix the axle-bending issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on December 10, 2019, 06:17:33 AM
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.

I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on December 10, 2019, 06:21:49 AM
Especially when some of you say "I'm 250 lbs" we know you ain't jumping down shit. Sweating fucking cheeseburgers and fucking dedbull.

https://youtu.be/wgW4fjEKbs8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shingles on December 10, 2019, 06:23:16 AM
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.

I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder

I had this problem with 55s and i dont know if it was the newer or older model. Never happened to me with 66s though...

I dont really mind the slightly bent axle but some of my friends were complaining.
The only thing i cant complain about is the soft baseplate.

Never broke an Indy baseplate but broke numerous Ace baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finecojeffe on December 10, 2019, 07:21:22 AM
I had a set of aces that bent on first use, within two hours of skating. For the time they weren't bent I really loved them, and would love another set. Until the rumors of bending are totally dispelled, I can't see spending the money on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 10, 2019, 07:57:57 AM
Wonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on December 10, 2019, 09:52:19 AM
Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 10, 2019, 10:09:07 AM
Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.

I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on December 10, 2019, 10:39:48 AM
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder

Maybe the "bent" word is confusing because it refers to a specific problem. The axles on my Aces 55s have a slight curvature, meaning that wheels don't touch the floor with their full surface. It's especially visible with large surface wheels like the conical full. But they are not bent like the axle goes 45 degrees up outside the hanger. To be fair, my Thunder Hollow Lights 151 have also this slight bending, I can see it when looking through the hollow axle. Personally I'm not annoyed by this bending, until recently I was thinking that it was a unique feature of the trucks... Maybe I was misled because the hanger was bent on purpose in previous versions.

Overall, I think that a lot of people are reporting the bending on Aces because they principally ride large trucks such as 55s or 66s, where it is visible. I'm not sure the same radius of curvature would be noticeable on 33s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 10, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
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People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
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Maybe the "bent" word is confusing because it refers to a specific problem. The axles on my Aces 55s have a slight curvature, meaning that wheels don't touch the floor with their full surface. It's especially visible with large surface wheels like the conical full. But they are not bent like the axle goes 45 degrees up outside the hanger. To be fair, my Thunder Hollow Lights 151 have also this slight bending, I can see it when looking through the hollow axle. Personally I'm not annoyed by this bending, until recently I was thinking that it was a unique feature of the trucks... Maybe I was misled because the hanger was bent on purpose in previous versions.

Overall, I think that a lot of people are reporting the bending on Aces because they principally ride large trucks such as 55s or 66s, where it is visible. I'm not sure the same radius of curvature would be noticeable on 33s.

pics? those 151s are next on my list
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 10, 2019, 10:55:21 AM
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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.

I rotate between Thunder and Aces. There is always a bit of an awkward timing adjustment with my pop but only for a little while. I use Thunders with smaller wheelbases and smaller wheels. I find they both have a quick initial turn but Ace keep going and have an extra swerve in their turn which is great while skating round wall (pools and bowls). Thunder def feel better (harder) on the grind. Some people think Ace nose and tail slide better, due to where the hanger sits. Both feel stable at speed unlike Indy (for me at least). If I had to commit to one truck right now, it would be 151s as Thunder have a slight edge in QC and the size works better for the boards I skate. (Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s) Maybe that will change when Ace put out their new trucks in Spring?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 10, 2019, 10:58:28 AM
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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
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I rotate between Thunder and Aces. There is always a bit of an awkward timing adjustment with my pop but only for a little while. I use Thunders with smaller wheelbases and smaller wheels. I find they both have a quick initial turn but Ace keep going and have an extra swerve in their turn which is great while skating round wall (pools and bowls). Thunder def feel better (harder) on the grind. Some people think Ace nose and tail slide better, due to where the hanger sits. Both feel stable at speed unlike Indy (for me at least). If I had to commit to one truck right now, it would be 151s as Thunder have a slight edge in QC and the size works better for the boards I skate. (Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s) Maybe that will change when Ace put out their new trucks in Spring?

Nailed it. It's that swerve that makes all the difference in bowls - it's saved my ass so many times on recovery or last minute line changes (which is why they are so good ridden loose).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on December 10, 2019, 11:11:26 AM
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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
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I rotate between Thunder and Aces. There is always a bit of an awkward timing adjustment with my pop but only for a little while. I use Thunders with smaller wheelbases and smaller wheels. I find they both have a quick initial turn but Ace keep going and have an extra swerve in their turn which is great while skating round wall (pools and bowls). Thunder def feel better (harder) on the grind. Some people think Ace nose and tail slide better, due to where the hanger sits. Both feel stable at speed unlike Indy (for me at least). If I had to commit to one truck right now, it would be 151s as Thunder have a slight edge in QC and the size works better for the boards I skate. (Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s) Maybe that will change when Ace put out their new trucks in Spring?
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Nailed it. It's that swerve that makes all the difference in bowls - it's saved my ass so many times on recovery or last minute line changes (which is why they are so good ridden loose).

Thanks, maybe I'll pick up a pair of Aces for when I end up with longer wb boards my Thunders don't jive with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WorkClothscape on December 10, 2019, 11:14:49 PM
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People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
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Maybe the "bent" word is confusing because it refers to a specific problem. The axles on my Aces 55s have a slight curvature, meaning that wheels don't touch the floor with their full surface. It's especially visible with large surface wheels like the conical full. But they are not bent like the axle goes 45 degrees up outside the hanger. To be fair, my Thunder Hollow Lights 151 have also this slight bending, I can see it when looking through the hollow axle. Personally I'm not annoyed by this bending, until recently I was thinking that it was a unique feature of the trucks... Maybe I was misled because the hanger was bent on purpose in previous versions.

Overall, I think that a lot of people are reporting the bending on Aces because they principally ride large trucks such as 55s or 66s, where it is visible. I'm not sure the same radius of curvature would be noticeable on 33s.

Does that happen with brand new wheels? It could be just the outer edge wearing faster than the inner edge.

I also have slightly bent Thunder hollow lights (148). The bending is unnoticeable when rinding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 10, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
What are peoples preference when it comes to 55's vs. 159? Slightly wider, heavier and lower. Tossing between these two for my next 8.6 but not sure about the extra weight/extreme hot-rodding (which I do like, to an extent).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 11, 2019, 07:52:34 AM
Wonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?

Last I heard (from a  shop owner who talks to someone at Ace):

44s are going to be 8.25" (I felt up a prototype and they were indeed 8.25")
55s - 8.5"
66s - 8.75"
77 - 9 or 9.125"

I'm guessing these are already in the hands of some of the riders for testing. So if you know an Ace Pilot ask 'em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 11, 2019, 07:55:50 AM
Interesting... BTW I just read on another thread that Aces = big wheels, anybody can confirm this?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on December 11, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
Interesting... BTW I just read on another thread that Aces = big wheels, anybody can confirm this?

What do you mean by aces = big wheels?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 11, 2019, 08:22:40 AM
That, because of geometry, Aces perform best with big wheels. 54mm and up. Read that somewhere, wonder if is true.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on December 11, 2019, 08:42:55 AM
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Wonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?
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Last I heard (from a  shop owner who talks to someone at Ace):

44s are going to be 8.25" (I felt up a prototype and they were indeed 8.25")
55s - 8.5"
66s - 8.75"
77 - 9 or 9.125"

I'm guessing these are already in the hands of some of the riders for testing. So if you know an Ace Pilot ask 'em.

That's good news to me since I mostly skate 8.125 or 8.25 occasionally, the current 44s are just a little bit out of my comfort zone for an 8.125. I'm stoked everyone's making 8.25 trucks these days, such a versatile size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Microforrest on December 11, 2019, 12:14:17 PM
So stupid to ditch the 8.35" hanger width on the 44's. Now I gotta cop as many as I can before they're all gone.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2019, 12:44:25 PM
That, because of geometry, Aces perform best with big wheels. 54mm and up. Read that somewhere, wonder if is true.

I wouldn't say they perform any better or any worse with big or small wheels; what's impressive is that at 52mm tall you can rock 54/56mm wheels and not be plagued by wheel bite. I've an ACE 44/54mm setup and if I put those 54s on my thunders or ventures it would be wheelbite death all the time. Degros kinda pointed it out with his pinch discussion, how the hanger moves sort of tucking the wheels under before they hit the deck vs other trucks just tilting right onto the wheel.

So stupid to ditch the 8.35" hanger width on the 44's. Now I gotta cop as many as I can before they're all gone.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 11, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
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Wonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?
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Last I heard (from a  shop owner who talks to someone at Ace):

44s are going to be 8.25" (I felt up a prototype and they were indeed 8.25")
55s - 8.5"
66s - 8.75"
77 - 9 or 9.125"

I'm guessing these are already in the hands of some of the riders for testing. So if you know an Ace Pilot ask 'em.

This the same info you had from the last time we were all talking about it, when you posted the pics of the newer matte black prototypes?

Generally wondering if these design changes you laid out, the forged baseplate, hollow kingpin, thicker hanger, were redesigns based on rider feedback or something else? Ace and Joey T seem like the sort to put a lot of stock in rider feedback (considering that was a big part of why he left Indy).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 12, 2019, 10:06:20 PM
How are 44s on 8.375 Quasi and Polar shapes?

I normally ride Thunders with Quasi 8.0s and that shapes really similar to their 8.375 and I’m worried that running Aces will have shitty pop.

Polars have less fingers of flat and the kick shapes seem to favor Ace/Indy while Thunder/Venture would be way too hard/take too much effort to get the tail down.

Am I right about this?  I’m looking to setup a wider board with carvy trucks for my local bowls.  I’m trying to stay around 8.3 and not too high (52-53.5mm) so that I can still feel comfortable in the street section with it.  The perfect situation would be being able to use it as my only setup but if not whatever... a 2 board quiver isn’t bad.

I’m also considering DLX 8.25 Fulls but I’m looking more at the other two shapes currently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on December 12, 2019, 10:44:40 PM
The Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on December 12, 2019, 11:22:22 PM
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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.

I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.

Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.

The thunder turning is not like ace though.

I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.

Love them more than dabs and I dab all day
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 13, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.

I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder

I saw a skinny/short teenage kid literally snap an axel clean off a pair of Ace 44s at my local park.  If I remember right it was going up a little grass gap/euro gap thing we have.  Nothing crazy.  He said he’s never even bent an axel before, wish I had a picture but I promise you it happened.

The Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.

I thought they have a 14.5” wheelbase?  My logic is that I like a 32-32.375 length and 14-14.25” wheelbase with Thunders/Ventures.  The Aces on a 14.5 would feel like DLX trucks on a 14.0”.  If it’s 14.375 that might be too short with Aces for me.

I’d go longer but I really struggle with manuals with a longer wheelbase.  Obviously this board would mainly be for transition but I want to try to get it to work everywhere.  If I struggle with it outside of the bowl then I’ll probably step up to an 8.6-8.75 and a 14.75-15” wheelbase and some 55s and just skate two different setups.

Also I’m confused... the actual height of Aces is 53mm right?  I’ve noticed Ace advertises it as 52mm.

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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
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I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.

Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.

The thunder turning is not like ace though.

I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.

Love them more than dabs and I dab all day

710 420 DABBERDOG bLaZe iT homeslice-of-cheese! !!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on December 13, 2019, 02:22:33 PM
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People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.

I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
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I saw a skinny/short teenage kid literally snap an axel clean off a pair of Ace 44s at my local park.  If I remember right it was going up a little grass gap/euro gap thing we have.  Nothing crazy.  He said he’s never even bent an axel before, wish I had a picture but I promise you it happened.

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The Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.
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I thought they have a 14.5” wheelbase?  My logic is that I like a 32-32.375 length and 14-14.25” wheelbase with Thunders/Ventures.  The Aces on a 14.5 would feel like DLX trucks on a 14.0”.  If it’s 14.375 that might be too short with Aces for me.

I’d go longer but I really struggle with manuals with a longer wheelbase.  Obviously this board would mainly be for transition but I want to try to get it to work everywhere.  If I struggle with it outside of the bowl then I’ll probably step up to an 8.6-8.75 and a 14.75-15” wheelbase and some 55s and just skate two different setups.

Also I’m confused... the actual height of Aces is 53mm right?  I’ve noticed Ace advertises it as 52mm.

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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
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I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.

Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.

The thunder turning is not like ace though.

I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.

Love them more than dabs and I dab all day
[close]

710 420 DABBERDOG bLaZe iT homeslice-of-cheese! !!

Polar states it is 14.5" but mine was 14.375". Same for the 8.5" and it's been discussed here a few times and others have confirmed that theirs has also been 14.375".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 13, 2019, 05:56:16 PM
Quick opinions - would people go 44 or 55 on 8.6? Its just too narrow or too wide either way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 13, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
Tough call. The DLX 8.62 is my favorite popsicle shape. So much so I do both 44s and 55s. One for tranny one for street. If I had to choose only one it would be 44s.
(https://i.imgur.com/pS0TIec.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 13, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
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People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.

I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
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I saw a skinny/short teenage kid literally snap an axel clean off a pair of Ace 44s at my local park.  If I remember right it was going up a little grass gap/euro gap thing we have.  Nothing crazy.  He said he’s never even bent an axel before, wish I had a picture but I promise you it happened.

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The Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.
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I thought they have a 14.5” wheelbase?  My logic is that I like a 32-32.375 length and 14-14.25” wheelbase with Thunders/Ventures.  The Aces on a 14.5 would feel like DLX trucks on a 14.0”.  If it’s 14.375 that might be too short with Aces for me.

I’d go longer but I really struggle with manuals with a longer wheelbase.  Obviously this board would mainly be for transition but I want to try to get it to work everywhere.  If I struggle with it outside of the bowl then I’ll probably step up to an 8.6-8.75 and a 14.75-15” wheelbase and some 55s and just skate two different setups.

Also I’m confused... the actual height of Aces is 53mm right?  I’ve noticed Ace advertises it as 52mm.

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Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
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I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
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I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.

Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.

The thunder turning is not like ace though.

I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.

Love them more than dabs and I dab all day
[close]

710 420 DABBERDOG bLaZe iT homeslice-of-cheese! !!
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Polar states it is 14.5" but mine was 14.375". Same for the 8.5" and it's been discussed here a few times and others have confirmed that theirs has also been 14.375".

Thanks that explains my brother’s Theories 8.5. Same thing.

I wish my local shops carried Quasi and Polar. I might have to drive an hour and a half or just risk it.

Quick opinions - would people go 44 or 55 on 8.6? Its just too narrow or too wide either way.

55 for most... depending on the woodshop/shape.

44s in 8.5s is even pushing it. I’d probably go Indy with an 8.5.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 13, 2019, 10:57:43 PM
Tough call. The DLX 8.62 is my favorite popsicle shape. So much so I do both 44s and 55s. One for tranny one for street. If I had to choose only one it would be 44s.
(https://i.imgur.com/pS0TIec.jpg?1)

Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

Up until the last....7 years or so (making shit up, but sounds right in my head) I felt like it was common to see overhang, boards larger than the trucks by .25” ish. The 8.25 on 149s seems like the most common setup since then. I like the way wide trucks look, and if I was trying to lock into a bunch of rails or ledges I’d go that way. But sadly I just want to try and flip my board a little and go back inside. Narrower trucks seem to help that mission. I really have no clue what I’m talking about and had a set up with 159s on 8.25 and flipped that as easy as any board I’ve had. (Exception was 3flips. They’d go but it was a weird rotation).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on December 14, 2019, 12:55:22 AM
Quick opinions - would people go 44 or 55 on 8.6? Its just too narrow or too wide either way.
44s definitely. Fast few boards I’ve had have all been 8.5/8.6 with 44s and they’ve been great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 14, 2019, 02:00:40 AM
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Tough call. The DLX 8.62 is my favorite popsicle shape. So much so I do both 44s and 55s. One for tranny one for street. If I had to choose only one it would be 44s.
(https://i.imgur.com/pS0TIec.jpg?1)
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

Up until the last....7 years or so (making shit up, but sounds right in my head) I felt like it was common to see overhang, boards larger than the trucks by .25” ish. The 8.25 on 149s seems like the most common setup since then. I like the way wide trucks look, and if I was trying to lock into a bunch of rails or ledges I’d go that way. But sadly I just want to try and flip my board a little and go back inside. Narrower trucks seem to help that mission. I really have no clue what I’m talking about and had a set up with 159s on 8.25 and flipped that as easy as any board I’ve had. (Exception was 3flips. They’d go but it was a weird rotation).

If you flip that set up around a lot then 44s would be better (for most people).  55s would be better for transition, gaps, cruising, rails, ledges, etc (basically everything else).

The reason you see longer truck to board ratios these days is mainly due to the profession in handrails.  People also probably do it because they know it’ll look cooler when they post a photo to Slap/IG sadly.

You also used to see a lot of trucks smaller than boards because most companies didn’t make an 8.25” truck and 8.25s were the most common shape up until recently so people would run 8” trucks with them.

I should mention that wheel choice has a lot to do with what size trucks you get. For example Radial Slims, Tablets, Bones V2s, and Bones V3s are pretty damn narrow so running that wheel on trucks smaller than your board would make it pretty damn magic carpet-like.  My 8.0s with Thunder 147s and 52mm Radial Slims has a pretty decent sized gap from the edge of the deck to the outer side  of my wheels while my brother’s 8.5 with Indy 147s and 54mm Ricta Clouds has the wheels and deck essentially flush.

If you ride a narrowish wheel and an 8.6-8.75 Aces are an awkward option.  That’s why I’d lean more towards Indies if I liked a fairly flush truck.  You can go Forged Hollow if you want a truck similar in height to Aces. They turn pretty damn close in my opinion and they are only half a millimeter taller. The biggest difference is the extra 1/4” in wheelbase but you could change your deck shape to fix that.

I feel like going above 8.5 with 44s is really pushing it unless you ride extra spacers and some wide ass wheels but that’s just my personal preference.  55s on an 8.6 also seems too much for me.  If I’m running trucks smaller than the deck I try to keep it around a .125” difference or less.  If I’m going bigger my max is .25” (unless it’s a cruiser).  That’s why at 8.6 I’d go Indy 149s if I wanted to flip that setup around a lot.  If I was set on Aces I feel like I’d step down to an 8.375 or an 8.5.  I’m sure you could find a similar shape in 8.5 and that shouldn’t be that hard to switch to.

Once again this is obviously my personal mindset and everyone’s different.  I mean look at magic carpet surfers like Reynolds.  I just couldn’t do that shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 14, 2019, 02:04:02 AM
44s work fine on 8.75 too if it tapers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 14, 2019, 09:35:22 AM

Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?


Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...

I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went  back to that. There's a limit  to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.

Until then I'll use 44s on the street.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 14, 2019, 12:51:11 PM
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

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Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...

I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went  back to that. There's a limit  to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.

Until then I'll use 44s on the street.

ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 14, 2019, 04:25:06 PM
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

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Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...

I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went  back to that. There's a limit  to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.

Until then I'll use 44s on the street.
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ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat

I don’t flip my board aside from the odd kickflip, how is 55 on everything else? I skate mostly tranny/slappies and ledges here and there. Are 55’s the better choice? I still want nice pop for higher ledges ect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 14, 2019, 07:51:21 PM
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

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Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...

I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went  back to that. There's a limit  to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.

Until then I'll use 44s on the street.
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ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat
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I don’t flip my board aside from the odd kickflip, how is 55 on everything else? I skate mostly tranny/slappies and ledges here and there. Are 55’s the better choice? I still want nice pop for higher ledges ect.

55s are godly on transition. i personally would only use em for tranny and slappies. the pop had such a lower maximum yield due to the wheelbase being shortened. i always ride around 15 wb boards and quickly found out i dont like it shorter than a thunder. often i would jump higher than the board could physically pop cause the tail hit too soon. i knew immediately my pop was being limited on flat alone so there was no point of trying anything but baby ledges.

i retired the idea of riding aces for street but everybody is different. if you prefer quick and snappy pop, give it a shot. pretty sure Boserio and Dane Brady run 55s and they still rip. i just know me and short wb anything arent gonna get along
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 15, 2019, 01:22:01 PM
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?

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Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...

I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went  back to that. There's a limit  to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.

Until then I'll use 44s on the street.
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ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat
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I don’t flip my board aside from the odd kickflip, how is 55 on everything else? I skate mostly tranny/slappies and ledges here and there. Are 55’s the better choice? I still want nice pop for higher ledges ect.

Yeah I’d go 55 then. Your pop won’t change between the two other than they weigh a bit more but it’s not anything crazy.

I’d just recommend a board with hardly any space between the kicks and bolts.  Also a semi-steep kick will help since they’re not very high nor very low trucks. They’re right in the middle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on December 15, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on December 15, 2019, 08:35:24 PM
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
happened to me on the last set, both trucks. the ones i'm currently skating are alright... so far
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on December 16, 2019, 12:10:03 AM
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.

Yeah mine've been like that for a while. Had no idea until your post that's what was causing the noise.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 16, 2019, 12:28:32 PM
Mine was like this when I started too.  I noticed the top bushing cup was offset too so I had to center it before tightening it.

I made a quick review here:

https://youtu.be/N4dWXuLTIvA (https://youtu.be/N4dWXuLTIvA)

I really like them. They turn super sharp but I love the feeling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: buckfitchesmetgoney on December 18, 2019, 11:37:25 AM
How do Aces turn in cold weather? I have always switched to Bones bushings with indys during the winter because they don't seem to freeze on me. Would I have to swap out the Ace bushings as well?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on December 18, 2019, 11:54:55 AM
Better than indies but still seize up.

I switched my washer for Indy washers because they are thinner, so the extra looseness comes without kingpin nuts falling off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 18, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
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Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
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Yeah mine've been like that for a while. Had no idea until your post that's what was causing the noise.

My KPs are loose also but I kind of like it. Might have something to do with the softer metal they use (for now).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shingles on December 19, 2019, 02:25:47 AM
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.

Had this with almost every Ace, the rattling noise doesn't bother me though...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 19, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
How do Aces turn in cold weather? I have always switched to Bones bushings with indys during the winter because they don't seem to freeze on me. Would I have to swap out the Ace bushings as well?

I skated them 30 degree weather for a few hours last week and although they were a little sticky, I thought they turned just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 20, 2019, 10:36:37 PM
Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on December 20, 2019, 10:49:06 PM
Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.

Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on December 21, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.

Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 21, 2019, 03:35:43 AM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
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Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on December 21, 2019, 06:46:46 AM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
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Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
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I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.

I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.

While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.

Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: VCR on December 21, 2019, 07:09:11 AM
When are the new Ace's coming out?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 21, 2019, 07:11:02 AM
When are the new Ace's coming out?
spring 20 rumored I thought? No official word
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on December 21, 2019, 07:45:18 AM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
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Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
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I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.
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I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.

While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.

Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.

I had the same thing happen to me with my Indy’s so I used an extra set of the bottom washers for the conical bushings on the top and I stopped chewing up the top bushing. Also lessened squeaking. I think bushings move around in a larger area than the stock washers allow for and the lip on the edge tears them up pretty quick. Maybe you could try the same with your Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on December 21, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
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Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
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I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.
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I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.

While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.

Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.
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I had the same thing happen to me with my Indy’s so I used an extra set of the bottom washers for the conical bushings on the top and I stopped chewing up the top bushing. Also lessened squeaking. I think bushings move around in a larger area than the stock washers allow for and the lip on the edge tears them up pretty quick. Maybe you could try the same with your Ace trucks.

Oh yeah. I have to take some of what I've said back. On most of my Aces I've changed the washers from stock to Indy washers. First two sets I got used with no Ace bushings or washers at all so I got some Ace bushings and used whatever washers I had around. Most of the ones I got after that didn't feel turny enough with Ace washers so I changed them to Indy washers and like them much better. Haven't experienced any popping or washers digging into the bushings. I might have at least some Ace washers on some of my Aces left. I dunno anymore. I've lost track of my trucks. :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 21, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
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Just got my first Aces.  I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.

However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.

I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out.  Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).

I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away?  And if so which ones?

I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low).  However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.

Sorry for beating a dead horse.
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Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
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Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
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I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.
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I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.

While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.

Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.
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I had the same thing happen to me with my Indy’s so I used an extra set of the bottom washers for the conical bushings on the top and I stopped chewing up the top bushing. Also lessened squeaking. I think bushings move around in a larger area than the stock washers allow for and the lip on the edge tears them up pretty quick. Maybe you could try the same with your Ace trucks.
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Oh yeah. I have to take some of what I've said back. On most of my Aces I've changed the washers from stock to Indy washers. First two sets I got used with no Ace bushings or washers at all so I got some Ace bushings and used whatever washers I had around. Most of the ones I got after that didn't feel turny enough with Ace washers so I changed them to Indy washers and like them much better. Haven't experienced any popping or washers digging into the bushings. I might have at least some Ace washers on some of my Aces left. I dunno anymore. I've lost track of my trucks. :D
I skate my aces stock and never had problems with my bushings. Pivot cups, axles slips and loose kingpins, got em all but I still prefer them over indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on December 23, 2019, 06:49:43 AM
How do Aces turn in cold weather? I have always switched to Bones bushings with indys during the winter because they don't seem to freeze on me. Would I have to swap out the Ace bushings as well?

they're basically the same as bones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 23, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
Just a heads up to future buyers of Aces.

Try to buy them in person. The quality control sucks. My brother bought mine online and you can tell they used a different metal formula or something in each of the axels. Completely different color and the threading is weird.  One of the trucks I have 2-3 lines of tread peaking out of the nuts and other it’s hardly even 1.

It’s not a huge deal so I’m not going to return them but it’s a bit annoying.  I think it’s due to the rounded ends of the hanger as they measure correctly and everything. Weird.

Also about the Indy washers thing. Do you recommend replacing both the top and bottoms?

I have some spare ones sitting around. Should I swap them out right away and are there any downsides to doing it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stupidfuckface on December 23, 2019, 04:25:01 PM
I got my first set of 44, tried skating them stock twice, lasted less than 10 minutes each time, way too tight.. I then swapped out for some old broken in indy stock bushings and holy shit, I love them... So good..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on December 23, 2019, 04:36:43 PM
Honestly before they broke all the way in I’d of said to do the Indy washers but now it’s a little much, worst case I’d do Indy top washer. But after they break in stock feels best. Takes forever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on December 23, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
i usually do away with washers altogether, but now i'm using the bones washers for the top, no bottom, and stock bushings. it feels like there's more pop. not sure if it's my imagination. can't get it as loose to my liking with the nuts flush, so threadlocker will be needed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 23, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
I decided to start with stock everything other than the top washer. I swapped that out because it just seemed to fit/turn better.  The way the Ace one curves into the bushing makes it seem tighter and I could see it being harder on the bushings and shortening the life.

I didn’t see a reason to change the bottom one though as they’re essentially the same thing.

I’ll also try them with no washers, with Bones Bushings and the Bones washer, and stock everything but no bottom washer and a Bones too washer.

I was also thinking that a Bones washer on the bottom and Indy washer on the top might be interesting. Have any of you tried that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 24, 2019, 02:03:17 AM
Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.

I’m gonna ride the fuck out of this pair before judging but I’m already skeptical and I’ve been for a while but I need to see what the hype is all about.  I also prefer a 50-53mm truck so that intrigued me.

I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.  Back when I road Destructo Lows and Zoo York (Chapman) boards as a kid I felt that the manual point was perfect.  I kind of would like to put together a throwback setup like that even though I know there are better trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 24, 2019, 03:26:30 AM
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Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.
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I’m gonna ride the fuck out of this pair before judging but I’m already skeptical and I’ve been for a while but I need to see what the hype is all about.  I also prefer a 50-53mm truck so that intrigued me.

I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.  Back when I road Destructo Lows and Zoo York (Chapman) boards as a kid I felt that the manual point was perfect.  I kind of would like to put together a throwback setup like that even though I know there are better trucks
For me is more like the truck which works better for you. I was a die hard Indy guy but then I realized that my kickflips weren't that good. Of. Course I had to blame sth because is never our fault so it had to be the trucks. Then I remember how much a friend loved his Krux but I always heard s lot of hate towards that brand. I said "fuck it", got a set and I'm super happy with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 24, 2019, 08:54:11 AM


I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. 

Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 24, 2019, 09:42:46 AM
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. 
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Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.

this. tried fucking around with risers on some indys and have just kept riding them all the way up to now. thunder with risers really has a good turn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on December 24, 2019, 11:27:27 AM
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. 
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Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.

Or try Thunders Team edition (baseplate 1mm higher). Night and day for the turn. And for trucks above 148, the Team are higher than Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 24, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. 
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Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.

For sure. I am riding 1/8’ risers on thunders with a loose back truck and a wobbly loose front truck and they turn/carve great with no wheelbite on 54mm wheels
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 24, 2019, 04:37:29 PM
Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.

I have had several sets and never witnessed any of this apart from loose kingpins which doesn't bother me. Stock bushings are pretty amazing in my experience.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 24, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
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Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.
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Took note of this when the shop I work in got a big shipment of 55's... had to pick the nicest 'pair' out of the box to make sure. The conical ends are definitely inconsistent which puts me off ever not having an inside washer. As for the bushings, the bushings themselves are amazing, its the cupped top washer that causes issues. Haven't had the problem myself so far, but still recommend swapping the top washer because it seems to hug the bushing a little too much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 24, 2019, 10:52:25 PM
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. 
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Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.
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Or try Thunders Team edition (baseplate 1mm higher). Night and day for the turn. And for trucks above 148, the Team are higher than Aces.

I find even Team 148+ tend to not be great in transition unless you’re on the coping... then they’re amazing.

I’ll have to give them a go with risers but I like the stock height for tech shit.  So either way I’ll have two different setups.  I’ll definitely try though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on December 25, 2019, 01:49:18 PM
My aces look almost new and have been skated little (since I got them just before winter kicking in) but the kingpin is so loose and rattle in one of them that my nut keeps coming loose all the time. Really disappointed to be honest.

I wouldn’t want to cry around about warranty especially for trucks, but that is one of the worst quality products I have bought in my life. The baseplate is already oval around the kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 25, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
The quality control issues are a major bummer.  I've hardly skated mine other than flat due to the holidays but I've never had loose trucks be so stable.  It feels like I'm on my medium-tight low ass Thunders when setting up flip tricks but once I lean to turn I feel like I'm on loose Indies.  Really digging that aspect.  Still feels weird going from Thunders to a truck that turns like this though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 25, 2019, 11:16:33 PM
Yikes. Come into this thread and keep hearing
 issues.

Look forward to hearing about the new version come spring, maybe.

Enough people report qc issues for me to believe em. That being said, I’ve had 3 sets, and no major problems. Were the axles bent on the first ones? Maybe. I had 2 sets of 33s that I passed along, wish I had kept one. Have 44s now. They really do turn the best. 44s are great, i get pretty sore trying to throw a bigger truck around and always end up going back to ventures. Anyways. My sets were all close enough, and never bothered me, but I knew going in they were gonna be a little ....’loose’. I’m not trying to do anything that would need some high tolerance equipment. I’m not even sure if I’d notice kingpins being loose and rattling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 28, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 28, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .

Mine have been skating great but the difference in axels between the trucks are a little worry sum.  I’m also very particular about my gear but it’s weird to see two axels looking completely different and having the nuts/threading sit differently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 28, 2019, 04:25:39 AM
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .

Same, never had any problems and I rode my 33’s and 44’s to death and have 55’s working fine on a cruiser set up. The only thing I ever experienced that was odd was the 33’s originally came with a set of oddly shaped nuts on the axles but I swapped those out and no other problems.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on December 28, 2019, 03:36:16 PM
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Mine have been skating great but the difference in axels between the trucks are a little worry sum.  I’m also very particular about my gear but it’s weird to see two axels looking completely different and having the nuts/threading sit differently.

yep. Thats stage 2 i bet. Little axle nuts?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Woos on December 29, 2019, 02:50:54 AM
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Mine have been skating great but the difference in axels between the trucks are a little worry sum.  I’m also very particular about my gear but it’s weird to see two axels looking completely different and having the nuts/threading sit differently.
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yep. Thats stage 2 i bet. Little axle nuts?

No.  I’m not familiar with the exact stages as I’m new to Ace and haven’t followed them closely but I’m pretty sure they’re the newest version.

Here’s some mediocre pictures. It’s really late so I just grabbed picture I already had.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on December 29, 2019, 06:29:09 PM
Anyone running risers on 44's? How does it affect pop? Running 56/58mm wheels, considering getting some risers but not sure if it'll cause ghost pop due to the shorter wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2019, 06:35:04 PM
Anyone running risers on 44's? How does it affect pop? Running 56/58mm wheels, considering getting some risers but not sure if it'll cause ghost pop due to the shorter wheelbase.

When I ride my Ace’s (and all of my other trucks really) I use 1/8th inch risers. No problems with pop when I ride them on a deck with steep kicks and minimal flat between bolts and the start of the kick. Only had problems riding them when there is that flat, for example on smaller 8/8.12) Scumco decks with the Kiddie pool concave. I’ll usually throw on aventures or Thunders on those decks (though Indy’s feel ok too) and those combos feel fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on December 30, 2019, 03:30:13 AM
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .

i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on December 30, 2019, 04:20:57 AM
1/8 pads on ace ride like indy with no pads mane

Big brain
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 30, 2019, 10:36:50 AM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on December 30, 2019, 10:44:15 AM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
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maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 30, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
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maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too
I would like an explanation too...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on January 08, 2020, 04:20:31 PM
Selling my barely used set of 44’s. Made a post in classified
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on January 08, 2020, 09:45:40 PM
I would love to be flow for ace. That would be as dope as being pro for indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lord Quas on January 10, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
i got a pair of 44s on a 8.38. i got my hands on a some new 8.5 shapes, will the 44s hold up? or should i get a pair of 55s? i dont mind seeing my wheels poke out a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on January 10, 2020, 10:37:55 AM
i got a pair of 44s on a 8.38. i got my hands on a some new 8.5 shapes, will the 44s hold up? or should i get a pair of 55s? i dont mind seeing my wheels poke out a bit.

44s on 8.5 are perfect, just put 2-3 washers on the inside if you want to stretch it out a bit more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lord Quas on January 10, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
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i got a pair of 44s on a 8.38. i got my hands on a some new 8.5 shapes, will the 44s hold up? or should i get a pair of 55s? i dont mind seeing my wheels poke out a bit.
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44s on 8.5 are perfect, just put 2-3 washers on the inside if you want to stretch it out a bit more.


dope man, i appreciate the input.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on January 10, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 10, 2020, 07:50:26 PM
When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.

I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.

If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on January 10, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
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When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.
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I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.

If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.

Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.

I hate money

I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.

I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.

Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.

My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 10, 2020, 08:48:16 PM
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When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.
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I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.

If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
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the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.

Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.

I hate money

I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.

I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.

Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.

My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...

You after 44's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on January 10, 2020, 08:58:17 PM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
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?
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maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too
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I would like an explanation too...

Pretty sure its just a meme like when on instagram some pro will comment "best dude on and off the board" on a post
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: AssFlea on January 10, 2020, 09:25:01 PM
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When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.
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I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.

If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
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the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.

Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.

I hate money

I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.

I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.

Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.

My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...
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You after 44's?

yeah. They have them on the site too. But the boss is going to try and get me to ride it out.

Im going to ask my shop for help. Or maybe ill see if i can snail mail the money to deluxe tomorrow the cash. That guy reed rules.

Ill just start with in sorry im old and stupid but....

Thank yous and pleases with cash in hand might get me some v lites 5.6 and wait for the new ace for an opposing style to practice.

Having two set ups that are completely different and being able to straight 8 is the goal.

I might be over ace though. I want to do mannys and switch crooks this winter.

Ace is great for mannys and nose grinds but i fall out of crooks unless im going very very danger fast.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on January 11, 2020, 07:27:09 AM
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When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.

Were talking i got maybe one month before  my crack is all the way around maybe.
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I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.

If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
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the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.

Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.

I hate money

I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.

I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.

Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.

My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...
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You after 44's?
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yeah. They have them on the site too. But the boss is going to try and get me to ride it out.

Im going to ask my shop for help. Or maybe ill see if i can snail mail the money to deluxe tomorrow the cash. That guy reed rules.

Ill just start with in sorry im old and stupid but....

Thank yous and pleases with cash in hand might get me some v lites 5.6 and wait for the new ace for an opposing style to practice.

Having two set ups that are completely different and being able to straight 8 is the goal.

I might be over ace though. I want to do mannys and switch crooks this winter.

Ace is great for mannys and nose grinds but i fall out of crooks unless im going very very danger fast.


someone said in another thread that reed isn’t there anymore
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on January 12, 2020, 08:05:33 AM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
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maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too
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I would like an explanation too...
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Pretty sure its just a meme like when on instagram some pro will comment "best dude on and off the board" on a post

thank you paperclip
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: darkelfdruid on January 12, 2020, 08:24:52 AM
ace 8.6 size or bust
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boxlogo on January 16, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
Has anyone had pre slipped axels? I bought a pair of 55s and right off the bat I had to put one washer on the inside and 3 on the outside to get the nut flush. The other side is perfectly flush with the standard one on the inside one on the outside. Love that surfy turn and big grind surface but the one axel sticking out way longer than the other pisses my off to no end.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on January 16, 2020, 10:48:04 AM
yeah my pair of 44s was like that, extra thread or two on each side. I just have been skating them anyway, though I can see how that would bother people for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on January 16, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Has anyone had pre slipped axels? I bought a pair of 55s and right off the bat I had to put one washer on the inside and 3 on the outside to get the nut flush. The other side is perfectly flush with the standard one on the inside one on the outside. Love that surfy turn and big grind surface but the one axel sticking out way longer than the other pisses my off to no end.

That would irritate me.  I would probably take the wheel off, thread the nut on and then take the long axle side to my grinder to shorten it a couple threads.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on January 16, 2020, 11:16:43 AM
I have the same "problem" with all my 44s and 55s. But actually I don't really mind, it is not a serious issue for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on January 16, 2020, 11:58:49 AM
Has anyone had pre slipped axels? I bought a pair of 55s and right off the bat I had to put one washer on the inside and 3 on the outside to get the nut flush. The other side is perfectly flush with the standard one on the inside one on the outside. Love that surfy turn and big grind surface but the one axel sticking out way longer than the other pisses my off to no end.

This is because of the terrible ace quality control.  I had to get 3 sets of 55's pick out two trucks that the most even axles and return the others.  ridiculous
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on January 16, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
I've been enjoying my Ace's for the last month or so, although it took a bit longer (about 2 weeks) to fully break in.
The first couple sessions were the tightest trucks I've ever skated, but they've loosened up nicely.
The bushing definitely gave me trouble. They bulged out initially then that little bubble just kind of ripped off, no huge problems from it though.

One thing is I can't tell how much it's effected my skating. I was skating Indy's forever which my skating feels pretty confident on and I definitely feel the difference in the truck, and I'm skating relatively the same stuff. I don't know if I just mentally know I'm not skating Indy's or if the Ace's are actually changing how I do some tricks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on January 16, 2020, 03:24:14 PM
I've been enjoying my Ace's for the last month or so, although it took a bit longer (about 2 weeks) to fully break in.
The first couple sessions were the tightest trucks I've ever skated, but they've loosened up nicely.
The bushing definitely gave me trouble. They bulged out initially then that little bubble just kind of ripped off, no huge problems from it though.

One thing is I can't tell how much it's effected my skating. I was skating Indy's forever which my skating feels pretty confident on and I definitely feel the difference in the truck, and I'm skating relatively the same stuff. I don't know if I just mentally know I'm not skating Indy's or if the Ace's are actually changing how I do some tricks.

the axle to axle wb is shorter. coming from thunders, i hated how i had to pop everything differently and called it quits on aces early
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 50mm on January 16, 2020, 07:38:41 PM
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i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
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I have a cough and I'm on the verge of puking because that shit got me so good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on January 17, 2020, 12:03:41 PM
New model aces with a hollow kingpin in the wild

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
New mode aces with a hollow kingpin in the wild

Whose setup? Or is it just a rando?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on January 17, 2020, 12:34:04 PM
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Whose setup? Or is it just a rando?

Justin Damer
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TwisT on January 17, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
how much of a difference does a hollow kingpin make?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 17, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
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Whose setup? Or is it just a rando?
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Justin Damer

Wasn't familiar, thanks for the info. It seems like these have been getting put through their paces by the team. I think the hollow kingpins were first posted like 4-5 months ago on one of Joey T's setups so maybe there's hope for qc this time around.

how much of a difference does a hollow kingpin make?


If it's just the kingpin... a little, not a lot. Probably not enough to keep the weight the same as the current models if they considerably beef up the hanger. They'd probably have to go hollow axle as well...... or they could have just hollowed out the underside of the hanger, made it lighter and stronger at the same time, like every other truck company since the early 90's. Those hangers are a throwback in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 17, 2020, 02:25:40 PM
A have a set of destructo hollowpoint kingpins I was gonna put in some Ace’s awhile back and never did. Holding an Ace kingpin in one hand and the destructo in the other and lightly tossing them up and down feels almost no difference. Unless a truck company lightens the baseplate, hanger, or axle to any significant degree I’d say hollow kingpins alone have almost no effect on making anything lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on January 26, 2020, 03:41:16 AM
so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 03:44:36 AM
so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...

As far as I'm aware from the tidbits another member posted, the geometry and height (and in theory, the turn) should all be the same. Weight, thickness, or anything hollow hasn't really been confirmed. Only thing they've acknowledged (through insta) is new sizes. Beyond that...? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on January 26, 2020, 06:57:59 AM
Harder bushings for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 26, 2020, 08:14:02 AM
so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...

Harder alumininum.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on January 26, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
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Harder alumininum.

Confirmed?  That would probably make me buy 44s now. The soft just grinds super nicely.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 26, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
Not confirmed. I'm a nobody but I got to handle some prototypes and the metal was defintely different. Reportedly a lot harder according to the shop owner.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 05:55:53 PM
Not confirmed. I'm a nobody but I got to handle some prototypes and the metal was defintely different. Reportedly a lot harder according to the shop owner.

I don't recall what series aluminum they use currently, but if they up it to harder stuff, say 7000 series, that can come with a 40% increase in density... aka, heavier. Adding overall hanger thickness and denser alloy....could make for a brick of a truck. We'll see though, pure speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 26, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
They were heavier for sure. They were the new 44s. So an 8.25" axle and way heavier than my current 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lord Quas on January 26, 2020, 06:49:27 PM
damn man, this sucks to hear. if it aint broke dont fix it, i fuckin love the current 44 iteration. snaggin a pair of these tensor new ATGs - may be the new go to if the new aces are toooo crazy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on January 26, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
Funny cus I have the ATG mags and have been itching to try Aces. Sounds like I’m getting 44s sooner than later.

edit: sold out at the shop, but already ordered some online hehe
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
damn man, this sucks to hear. if it aint broke dont fix it, i fuckin love the current 44 iteration. snaggin a pair of these tensor new ATGs - may be the new go to if the new aces are toooo crazy.

Word. There's room for improvement, always, but a heavier version of what's already the heaviest truck out there is not appealing.

If Theeve made an aluminum version of their TiHanger design, and redid their shitty branding that'd be a perfect version of an Ace right there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 26, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
Full disclaimer this was just my amateur observation of some prototypes. I'd wait until the new 44s are actually out to make a judgement call.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
Full disclaimer this was just my amateur observation of some prototypes. I'd wait until the new 44s are actually out to make a judgement call.

100%. All speculation. I might have come off pessimistic, but I genuinely hope Ace knocks it out of the park with their revamp.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on January 26, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
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Harder alumininum.
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Confirmed?  That would probably make me buy 44s now. The soft just grinds super nicely.
I'm not 100% sure on hardness, didn't pay much attention to that when I was looking for alloy tech  data.
But I think 7071 is softer that'd would req a change to 356 alloy, and then you'd lose the better grind.
Iirc strengths between the 2 alloys were similar. Or similar ranges for heat-treated..
Anyone remember what's pertinent to bending?
Modulus of elasticity? Shear modulus? Shear strength?

What they need to upgrade is the steel for the axles.
If you look at the Indy stage chart you'll see that they switched from 3000-series (idr the alloy #) a long time ago.

edit: Indy stage chart
Stage 9 got 4140 chromoly axles
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118665
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
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so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...
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Harder alumininum.
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Confirmed?  That would probably make me buy 44s now. The soft just grinds super nicely.
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I'm not 100% sure on hardness, didn't pay much attention to that when I was looking for alloy tech  data.
But I think 7071 is softer that'd would req a change to 356 alloy, and then you'd lose the better grind.
Iirc strengths between the 2 alloys were similar. Or similar ranges for heat-treated..
Anyone remember what's pertinent to bending?
Modulus of elasticity? Shear modulus? Shear strength?

What they need to upgrade is the steel for the axles.
If you look at the Indy stage chart you'll see that they switched from 3000-series (idr the alloy #) a long time ago.

edit: Indy stage chart
Stage 9 got 4140 chromoly axles
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118665

Don't know the minutiae of all the metallurgical data for aluminum, so can't help there. But yeah, Indy switched to 4130 for axles a long time ago, I think most other brands followed suit. Around the same time most BMX bikes started using 4100 series chromoly for everything as well, I recall that from when I was kid.

Just saw that Ace currently use 7071 aluminum. If they upgrade aluminum that would probably mean 356 aluminum? Like you said. Indy and Ermico stuff use 356 as well. The weight difference between those two would actually be really minimal, if it all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on January 27, 2020, 12:16:31 AM
As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..

Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?

356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.

They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.

Virgin means no recycled cans.

Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?

I'll try dig up some links and add them here.


https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356


http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075


No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on January 27, 2020, 03:19:02 AM
As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..

Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?

356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.

They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.

Virgin means no recycled cans.

Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?

I'll try dig up some links and add them here.


https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356


http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075


No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140

This is the most informative thing I’ve read all week. Thank you for the enlightenment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on January 27, 2020, 07:04:00 AM
As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..

Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?

356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.

They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.

Virgin means no recycled cans.

Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?

I'll try dig up some links and add them here.


https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356


http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075


No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140
have a gnar that was great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on January 27, 2020, 11:07:10 AM
I know this has been asked already but can't remember: which bushings are compatible with Ace? We're in currently living I can only find Thunder ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on January 27, 2020, 11:13:44 AM
I know this has been asked already but can't remember: which bushings are compatible with Ace? We're in currently living I can only find Thunder ones.

Mini logo bottoms
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on January 28, 2020, 03:36:39 PM
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As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..

Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?

356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.

They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.

Virgin means no recycled cans.

Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?

I'll try dig up some links and add them here.


https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356


http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075


No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)

http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140
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have a gnar that was great
Thanks. Glad you liked this geekiness. I'll try to add some % info and double check the strength specs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on January 28, 2020, 04:24:37 PM
yeah, i agree, that's pretty cool info satan
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 07:15:42 AM
I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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Post by: Krooked antihero on February 04, 2020, 07:23:01 AM
I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 07:27:05 AM
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I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on February 04, 2020, 07:58:06 AM
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I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
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i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)

New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
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I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
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i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)
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New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.
I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flush
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 04, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
Mine took a while to break in like 10 decent sessions but feel great now.

Definitely got much looser. I switched to Indy top washers during break in, because they are around 1mm thinner and give a little more room for the bushing to be soft enough even when flush.
Now, broken in I can put the ace washer back and have a better compression and pretension on the bushing for smoother turn, less tippy on center.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 09:48:04 AM
Mine took a while to break in like 10 decent sessions but feel great now.

Definitely got much looser. I switched to Indy top washers during break in, because they are around 1mm thinner and give a little more room for the bushing to be soft enough even when flush.
Now, broken in I can put the ace washer back and have a better compression and pretension on the bushing for smoother turn, less tippy on center.
how much impact do the washers make during break in. if i skate with washers will the bushings get softer in comparison with skating without any washers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 04, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
About equal, I think. But I like how the washers increase the rebound and compression of the bushing a lot. I like riding my trucks looser but with bushings. Without them I feel like the turn is mushy and spongy in comparison. Because the bushing is not held in place by the washer it can deform more and just feels very different, not just softer, if that makes sense.

The bushing should be harder the more it is compressed (the deeper the turn) so it is easy to turn and hard to wheel bite. Loosing the washer just makes the turn softer all the way to max deepness and the bushing doesn’t push back as hard when compressed between the washer and hanger.

So hard to compare the softness per se, but the turn is better with washers after break in. You can loosen the kp more (have an easier initial turn and wiggle with less wheelbite and more rebound in deeper turns)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
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About equal, I think. But I like how the washers increase the rebound and compression of the bushing a lot. I like riding my trucks looser but with bushings. Without them I feel like the turn is mushy and spongy in comparison. Because the bushing is not held in place by the washer it can deform more and just feels very different, not just softer, if that makes sense.

The bushing should be harder the more it is compressed (the deeper the turn) so it is easy to turn and hard to wheel bite. Loosing the washer just makes the turn softer all the way to max deepness and the bushing doesn’t push back as hard when compressed between the washer and hanger.

So hard to compare the softness per se, but the turn is better with washers after break in. You can loosen the kp more (have an easier initial turn and wiggle with less wheelbite and more rebound in deeper turns)
ok so im gonna ride with no washers until i break them in and then putting them back. thx
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 04, 2020, 01:19:09 PM
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I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
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i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)
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New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.
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I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flush
That’s my boy, you’ll gonna love it after a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 04, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
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I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
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I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
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i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)
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New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.
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I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flush
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That’s my boy, you’ll gonna love it after a while.
no washers 4 now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on February 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
slipped axle on my pair after a few months, never made it to that axle despite how fast I was getting a nice groove from slappies. back on Indys for the foreseeable future, after going back I feel like the turn is about the same, but I definitely notice the wheelbase change, took like 10 mins to get used to but definitely made the board feel less squirrelly after I popped, which again just took adjusting too wasn't make or break.

definitely gonna be checking this thread when they drop the 8.5 truck to see what they did though, not giving up on ace yet. trying to break bullshit brand loyalty by trying new shit but keep getting disappointed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 05, 2020, 08:06:24 AM
slipped axle on my pair after a few months, never made it to that axle despite how fast I was getting a nice groove from slappies. back on Indys for the foreseeable future, after going back I feel like the turn is about the same, but I definitely notice the wheelbase change, took like 10 mins to get used to but definitely made the board feel less squirrelly after I popped, which again just took adjusting too wasn't make or break.

definitely gonna be checking this thread when they drop the 8.5 truck to see what they did though, not giving up on ace yet. trying to break bullshit brand loyalty by trying new shit but keep getting disappointed.

Try theeve. I did and I’m extremely happy. Top notch quality and better turn than Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on February 07, 2020, 03:18:36 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hmmmokay on February 07, 2020, 03:58:09 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/)

Literally just copied the link to that post to bring here. What’s good with that kingpin? Very interested.

Edit: And by “what’s good” I mean that I’m wondering if an inverted kingpin is something they might be introducing to the new line? Apologies if this has been discussed already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 07, 2020, 09:35:46 PM
It seems like Indy is also looking that way.

Would be crazy if conservative skateboard manufacturing reaches grind king level of ingenuity 20 years later
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on February 07, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
inverted kingpins suck. no grind, no fun
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chappers on February 08, 2020, 06:39:25 AM
grosso in his comments saying that kingpin is kreeper. also saying 'no krux, no nhs, ever again'

fuck i want to know whats going on over there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 08, 2020, 08:18:37 AM
I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips

bones top keep the stock bottom

I skated like that for 18months. It was great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 08, 2020, 09:33:12 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Grind-King-kingpin-skateboard-independent/dp/B07C36BNML

For anyone looking for the Kingpins in Grosso's trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 08, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
I love a proper inverted kingpin. I wish i had the 2 tool set up though. Allen or skate key adjustability is dope.

In lucky to have two set of grind king set a side from back in the late 80s and I scored a set of like brand new 139? Camo cups from after 02.

It's a high truck so I think the king pin can travel to a thunder np.

I don't have access to a press to push out a king pin.

I have some vintage plates for venture but would a gk king pin a feather lite plate and a 5.6 high even fit together?

I would really like the kingpin from before they made trucks to not be set up agai
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on February 08, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Grind-King-kingpin-skateboard-independent/dp/B07C36BNML

For anyone looking for the Kingpins in Grosso's trucks.
Yikes! $18 shipped for 2 bolts, 2 nuts, and an Allen key?
Too rich for my blood. That's about $4-5 at the hardware store. Only tough part might be finding a bolt with a smooth shank.
If someone wants to measure the underhead length I'll poke around for hardware locally and let you guys know what I can find.

This bolt is too short and the smooth shank portion is also too short. Just putting it up for the dimensions pic.
https://www.mcmaster.com/92949a655
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on February 08, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 08, 2020, 04:38:32 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/Grind-King-kingpin-skateboard-independent/dp/B07C36BNML

For anyone looking for the Kingpins in Grosso's trucks.
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Yikes! $18 shipped for 2 bolts, 2 nuts, and an Allen key?
Too rich for my blood. That's about $4-5 at the hardware store. Only tough part might be finding a bolt with a smooth shank.
If someone wants to measure the underhead length I'll poke around for hardware locally and let you guys know what I can find.

This bolt is too short and the smooth shank portion is also too short. Just putting it up for the dimensions pic.
https://www.mcmaster.com/92949a655

I bought that kreper kingpin off eBay around the holidays just to have a set. There’s a guy that has a box with hundreds of them still in their original packaging. They’ve sold fast but looks like he still has plenty. Just search Kreper kingpin and it’s the only one. $9.99 and like $4 to ship.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on February 08, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)

I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on February 09, 2020, 04:10:37 AM
I’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sketchyrider on February 09, 2020, 06:45:29 AM
I replaced my 169's standard with titaniums and was happy, but still want to try Aces more than just rollin around on someone else's setup. Mostly for the short wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 09, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
I’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go
just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want -  weight saving in the titanium?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: oldbummer on February 09, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
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I’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go
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just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want -  weight saving in the titanium?

NHS site lists the weights.  From what I remember 169 Ti is lighter than 149 regular.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on February 09, 2020, 02:07:05 PM
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I’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go
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just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want -  weight saving in the titanium?
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NHS site lists the weights.  From what I remember 169 Ti is lighter than 149 regular.
Lighter than regular 129's! I think you could make a modern fattie lighter than an 90's pinner. Stage 7-8 were soooooo heavy.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/
Bones lists weights for a set of wheels. Double the difference in weight for the trucks and you could add that much weight to your wheels without really feeling it. For the size wheels I was looking at it was around 2-3mm larger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on February 10, 2020, 03:12:13 AM
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I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
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I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on February 10, 2020, 04:03:01 AM
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NHS site lists the weights.  From what I remember 169 Ti is lighter than 149 regular.
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Lighter than regular 129's! I think you could make a modern fattie lighter than an 90's pinner. Stage 7-8 were soooooo heavy.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/
Bones lists weights for a set of wheels. Double the difference in weight for the trucks and you could add that much weight to your wheels without really feeling it. For the size wheels I was looking at it was around 2-3mm larger.

Yeah that’s the ticket. I have rails too so saving weight somewhere is good.



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just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want -  weight saving in the titanium?

Yeah just the weight saving, really as I ride bigger boards so a bit less weight would be cool.  Love Indy 169s, as I ride 9 inch and up boards and realize the ego
Is a touch different but just wanna see how they go.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 10, 2020, 05:16:12 AM
Wow 357g per. That’s ~50g lighter than 169 std     I’d consider it but the price jump is significant and I’m curious to try other trucks first. Great topic for the Ace truck thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 10, 2020, 07:11:34 AM
After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on February 10, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
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I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
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I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
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Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on February 10, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.
Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.


For removing a kingpin it should help to let the baseplate sit in hot water for a minute. Boiling or near boiling. That'll expand the hole and make it easier to get kingpin in/out. Be careful though, hot aluminum is softer and weaker.
A big C-clamp could work but you might need a small wedge to get everything to line up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 11, 2020, 08:33:07 AM
I feel like a crazy person for asking this, but:

Does anyone have a line on the speed rings that Ace uses? They're thicker/nicer than other brands, and all the aftermarkets that I've bought have been super thin. I hit up Ace and they don't currently sell them.

I'm trying to give my 44s another shot on an 8.6".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Agnarnomous on February 11, 2020, 08:36:15 AM
I feel like a crazy person for asking this, but:

Does anyone have a line on the speed rings that Ace uses? They're thicker/nicer than other brands, and all the aftermarkets that I've bought have been super thin. I hit up Ace and they don't currently sell them.

I'm trying to give my 44s another shot on an 8.6".


Not sure tbh, but you could probably go to a hardware store with an Ace washer, and compare them until you find something close.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 11, 2020, 11:24:15 AM
My theeve’s also have the thick rings. Not sure why Indy, thunder, venture use the skinny goldish ones. Hardware store should have what you need.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 11, 2020, 03:54:25 PM
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After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.
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Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.


If you skate Indy, I feel the TI is the only way to go these days, when compared to other trucks.

With Thunder, I honestly don't think it's worth it over forged hollows especially when skating smaller sizes, 149+ perhaps. Sure, the TI are lighter but once it's setup you won't feel the difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on February 11, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 12, 2020, 04:26:09 AM
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.

They will never be the same. I would say film are the most similar to Indy, in some aspects. There is also off-brand Indy clones, forgot the name though.

For aces they will be a little squirmier and a weight wise like Indy standards (even though they feel a little lighter)

They don’t have a 9.1 like 169s but you can go with 55 (9”) or 66 (9.3”)  I’d do 55s with an extra washer, that might be closest to 169. And since they are a bit lower add 1/8” riser to however you are riding the indies and they feel very similar and very good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 12, 2020, 07:49:14 AM
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After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.
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Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.

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If you skate Indy, I feel the TI is the only way to go these days, when compared to other trucks.

With Thunder, I honestly don't think it's worth it over forged hollows especially when skating smaller sizes, 149+ perhaps. Sure, the TI are lighter but once it's setup you won't feel the difference.

Thunder titanium lights are insanely light though, the closest thing to the tensor mags and theeve TiH’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 12, 2020, 07:49:53 AM
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.

Ace 55s, are currently the closest to 169s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on February 12, 2020, 10:55:31 AM
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.

I switched from 169s to Ace 55s a few months ago and couldn't be happier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 12, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
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So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
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I switched from 169s to Ace 55s a few months ago and couldn't be happier
on what deck? Curious to hear on what wheelbase/what environment
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 12, 2020, 11:52:23 AM
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After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.
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Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.

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If you skate Indy, I feel the TI is the only way to go these days, when compared to other trucks.

With Thunder, I honestly don't think it's worth it over forged hollows especially when skating smaller sizes, 149+ perhaps. Sure, the TI are lighter but once it's setup you won't feel the difference.
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Thunder titanium lights are insanely light though, the closest thing to the tensor mags and theeve TiH’s.

Yeah, stupid light really, so were the TI 8.5 Ventures...crazy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on February 12, 2020, 12:32:33 PM
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So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
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I switched from 169s to Ace 55s a few months ago and couldn't be happier
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on what deck? Curious to hear on what wheelbase/what environment

Currently on an 8.5 Hockey, the one with the 14.25 wheelbase. Previously on an 8.5 917 with a 14.19 wb. Also had an 8.5 Quasi with 14.25 wb. So All 8.5s with about 14.25 wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on February 12, 2020, 06:26:55 PM
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So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows?  And how can I make them ride like Indys?  Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
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They will never be the same. I would say film are the most similar to Indy, in some aspects. There is also off-brand Indy clones, forgot the name though.

For aces they will be a little squirmier and a weight wise like Indy standards (even though they feel a little lighter)

They don’t have a 9.1 like 169s but you can go with 55 (9”) or 66 (9.3”)  I’d do 55s with an extra washer, that might be closest to 169. And since they are a bit lower add 1/8” riser to however you are riding the indies and they feel very similar and very good.

Yeah, cool thanks.  I like the flowy feeling of Indys, so if they're a bit squirmier, then that could be good.  I really want that Titanium lightness though as i've only ridden Indy standards since starting on Tracker Ultralights that we all rode in my area in the 80s

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 13, 2020, 07:50:57 PM
how are aces on flat/mellow kick decks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on February 14, 2020, 08:00:36 AM
how are aces on flat/mellow kick decks

I skated an Antihero (which I would consider pretty flat) on Aces and I loved it. I'll probably get another deck similar to the one I had as soon as I see another one at a shop.

I also love Quasi decks on Aces. And those generally have pretty steep kicks.

I can't tell you mathematically why I like them, but I can tell you I did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 20, 2020, 12:21:06 AM
Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on February 20, 2020, 02:16:35 AM
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I skated an Antihero (which I would consider pretty flat) on Aces and I loved it. I'll probably get another deck similar to the one I had as soon as I see another one at a shop.

I also love Quasi decks on Aces. And those generally have pretty steep kicks.

I can't tell you mathematically why I like them, but I can tell you I did.

currently v happy on an 8.5 proto and ace 44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on February 20, 2020, 02:29:28 AM
Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?

I'm kind of in the same situation. I really want to get some 33's, but the stock seems to be dwindling, and buying an old model when a new one is on the horizon is a tough sale. We don't know much about them yet. They could end up being amazing, or they could leave everyone pining for the old model. Do I risk it, or play it safe and wait?

I ride 8.1 decks so waiting seems beneficial since I like 8.25 trucks. The current 8.35 just doesn't work for me, and I usually go for 8.0 when I know the truck is prone to wheelbite. But everyone seems to agree that isn't an issue with Ace, so an 8.25 would be dope.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daggers4life on February 20, 2020, 05:17:30 AM
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I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
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I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
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Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)

Does the jbweld hold it in there good?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 20, 2020, 07:20:27 AM
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Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?
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I'm kind of in the same situation. I really want to get some 33's, but the stock seems to be dwindling, and buying an old model when a new one is on the horizon is a tough sale. We don't know much about them yet. They could end up being amazing, or they could leave everyone pining for the old model. Do I risk it, or play it safe and wait?

I ride 8.1 decks so waiting seems beneficial since I like 8.25 trucks. The current 8.35 just doesn't work for me, and I usually go for 8.0 when I know the truck is prone to wheelbite. But everyone seems to agree that isn't an issue with Ace, so an 8.25 would be dope.

I don't know anything about when the new ace might be out but I get these things usually take longer than anticipated.... may as well just get some 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 50mm on February 20, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
I want to try Ace’s. That’s all I have to say.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 20, 2020, 09:17:09 AM
I want to try Ace’s. That’s all I have to say.
same. BUT...

I am in the on-deck circle because as of this week I have 3 trucks I am wanting to ride/break in more and MORESO waiting for the new Ace lineup to be announced/release.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 50mm on February 20, 2020, 12:32:17 PM
I have some almost brand new thunders but I know I don't like them. But yeah, I don't have money to blow right now anyways so I'm going to wait for the new lineup for now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 20, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?

I'm super thankful to have a set of 44s on ice.

I doubt the new trucks will suck. It's a killer truck.

I'd fricking kill for a set of the new ones with a hollow kingpin and mag plate. Just to be ultra truck nerdy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on February 20, 2020, 02:48:36 PM
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I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)

A few set-ups later...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
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I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
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Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)
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Does the jbweld hold it in there good?

So far, havnt had any issues with the JB Weld. Ive done 2 sets of trucks and no problems.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 24, 2020, 08:54:44 PM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 24, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
also i wanna know how pros ride their ace trucks so if anyone has info on that you are more than welcome to share
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aatila on February 24, 2020, 10:01:05 PM
Just got a set of Aces I’m really hyped on grinds and the response. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 24, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on February 24, 2020, 11:47:40 PM
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how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
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I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly

I've always kept Ace stock, never played with changing bushings at all. Don't see the need.

On the other hand for Indys I will put Bones in them before I even mount the trucks. I haven't used stock Indy bushings for the last 3 sets I've had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 25, 2020, 06:03:37 AM
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how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
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I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly
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I've always kept Ace stock, never played with changing bushings at all. Don't see the need.

On the other hand for Indys I will put Bones in them before I even mount the trucks. I haven't used stock Indy bushings for the last 3 sets I've had.

After the initial break in they keep getting better and better. My old ass indies still have the best turn.

I,realized though, that the hollows come with after market bushings that seem to be higher quality and don‘t shred up that much but never feel as good as the stock orange ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 25, 2020, 08:26:50 AM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

Stock bushings. Nylock thread flush with kingpin. No inside washers on the 55s, 2 on the outside. 2 inside washers on 44, 1 outside washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on February 25, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
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how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
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I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly
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I've always kept Ace stock, never played with changing bushings at all. Don't see the need.

On the other hand for Indys I will put Bones in them before I even mount the trucks. I haven't used stock Indy bushings for the last 3 sets I've had.
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After the initial break in they keep getting better and better. My old ass indies still have the best turn.

I,realized though, that the hollows come with after market bushings that seem to be higher quality and don‘t shred up that much but never feel as good as the stock orange ones.

I've always found indy bushings get weirdly hard but also soft at the same time and tend to lean to one side after not that long.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 25, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

Last set I left stock, loosened them 1/2 turn from factory; they're sitting on my cruiser.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on February 25, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
I ride mine just a tiny looser than flush, idk what it is but after riding a cruiser for so long with indys I just became so much more comfortable with looser trucks

I’m not Matt Rodriguez loose but I’d say I’m a good medium where the non skater person will say it’s loose but an actual skater would say it’s kinda loose

I use to swear by tight because it helped me pop but
All my tricks were sketchy and tic tac, now I actually have some of that thing they call steez

Feels way better too, especially the smooth feeling of feeling into your tricks before you pop and how easy it feels landing and rolling away

These aces really are amazing if you like loose ish smooth trucks, not as light or solid feeling as a light Indy but the turning geometry makes up for it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on February 25, 2020, 03:59:53 PM
I like my Ace’s just about wiggley but not Daewon style.

I like stock bushings if they start to split I switch to Bones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 25, 2020, 06:02:53 PM

 now I actually have some of that thing they call steez


Wait, what? Maybe self-proclaim your steez on twitter or something not on Slap?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 26, 2020, 03:15:22 AM
my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finknoos on February 26, 2020, 03:19:03 AM
Currently i'm riding mine with both washers in, nut flush with the bolt, but I swapped the bushings for Bones Hardcore soft (blue) and they feel amazing. Loosey goosey!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 26, 2020, 05:27:00 AM
my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips

You could shave down the top bushing a little, that does the trick for me on pretty much every other truck I’ve wanted to loosen up.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on February 26, 2020, 05:31:13 AM
my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips

Use Indy/thunder washers. They are around half a mm thinner per washer so it feels like you open the nut by 1mm, much difference and easily reversible
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 26, 2020, 05:34:11 AM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

My 33’s and 44’s are both a couple years old and so used to ride them medium/tight, so the bushings are super smushed and broken in. Now I ride them loose so the bushings are already perfectly broken in and turn really nicely.

My 55’s, which I’ve only used probably ten times total, are still a bit stiff because the bushings haven’t broken in yet, but still turn pretty nice.

All unmodified bushings and washers.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sandboxcop on February 27, 2020, 07:48:23 PM
Tried Ace 44's today after Thunder 149's on an 8.25 and my mind is blown. Loose yet stable, not nearly as twitchy and nose wheelies make sense now. Just feel em out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daggers4life on March 02, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
Bought my first pair of 55's a couple months ago. Just put them on 2 weeks ago. Switched out the bushings for Indy's Super Soft and currently riding with no bottom washer and I swapped the top washer for the one that comes with Bones bushings.

I am loving these trucks  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2020, 06:08:11 PM
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Use Indy/thunder washers. They are around half a mm thinner per washer so it feels like you open the nut by 1mm, much difference and easily reversible

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my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
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You could shave down the top bushing a little, that does the trick for me on pretty much every other truck I’ve wanted to loosen up.

Or you could totally commit to the madness and get a set of the ACE LOW bushings and use the top with the stock bottom - makes a huge difference if you ride loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on March 02, 2020, 06:31:05 PM
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my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
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Use Indy/thunder washers. They are around half a mm thinner per washer so it feels like you open the nut by 1mm, much difference and easily reversible
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my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
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You could shave down the top bushing a little, that does the trick for me on pretty much every other truck I’ve wanted to loosen up.
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Or you could totally commit to the madness and get a set of the ACE LOW bushings and use the top with the stock bottom - makes a huge difference if you ride loose.

There are a few sets of Ace Low bushings at the local, I’ve considered it but wasn’t quite sure. Good to know it does the job. My 44s can get loose, but 55s still haven’t gotten to that point yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 03, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
I talked with Ace about their new trucks via email and they said the release has been pushed until the end of summer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 03, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
Crap. Thanks for taking it like a man to Insta.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on March 03, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
I talked with Ace about their new trucks via email and they said the release has been pushed until the end of summer.

Coronavirus?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 03, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
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Coronavirus?

I’d say that’s probably 99% accurate. So much comes from China, and industries across the board are severely affected by this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on March 03, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on March 03, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 03, 2020, 12:10:41 PM
sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?
Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squish
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 03, 2020, 12:16:33 PM
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sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?
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Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squish
Khiro makes a soft and a hard? Are they really an upgrade or just a stock replacement?
Just read this on a Shorty's pivot cup product description:
Softer pivot cups allow for more lean and rebound, making them ideal for cruising and carving
Harder pivot cups are a better choice for high speeds and aggressive turns making them ideal for downhill speed runs and park skating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 03, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
DO NOT buy Khiro hards they are unskateable. Good luck finding the softs. Just get riptides.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on March 03, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
damn, RipTide makes specific ones for all these models??  How different are they and can I not just buy any of the RipTides or do I specifically need the Ace ones?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smartass on March 03, 2020, 12:30:48 PM
damn, RipTide makes specific ones for all these models??  How different are they and can I not just buy any of the RipTides or do I specifically need the Ace ones?

Nah you don't need to buy the one specifically for ACE. The Indy ones, the ones that are readily available, will fit perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on March 03, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
I’ve got some 55s with mag baseplates in good condition with khiro soft pivots, would anybody be interested in buying them? Figure I’d ask the Ace heads in this thread first. Can also sell the baseplates separately, Send me a PM
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 03, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
I made an all weather board with a old deck, some old soft wheels and aces to fuck around with. God the turn is good, I forgot how much of a difference there is between these and other trucks. Pivot cups are basically worn through to the baseplate and falling out though. I'm excited for when the newer revisions come out to see if they fix the various issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2020, 01:48:18 PM
if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.

Venture 2020 will pick up the slack.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 03, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
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if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.
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Venture 2020 will pick up the slack.

If only venture could make some other truck that had a quicker/deeper turn I'd be fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 03, 2020, 03:02:26 PM
Bledsoe riding Aces in recent (ish) instagram clip? (that's a JJ deck from a couple months back).
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9SB5mrlm6q/

Screen shot, bit blurry, not 100%. If so, he's already had footage on Indy, Thunder, and Venture in the last year. Bledsoe on truck madness. 
(https://i.imgur.com/H1IhxO6.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on March 11, 2020, 05:25:47 PM
Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

(https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on March 11, 2020, 05:30:24 PM
Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

(https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg)

little bit of R&D. might have to go ahead and get a pair of the new 33’s or whatever they are gonna call them. shit, might just get some ventures too. never thought I’d be saying that.ha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

(https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg)


I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we can hope) ACE truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on March 11, 2020, 05:58:32 PM
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Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg[/ig]
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I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we cna hope) ACE truck.
Yep. Pivot nub looks polished too.
I've thought about polishing the yoke and pivot on Indy's, should make bushings squeak less.
I'm surprised they didn't add ribs or webbing to strengthen the hanger.
Hollow KP? What's that weigh? 6 grams lighter? 10g?
Hoping they're using better steel for the axles now..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 11, 2020, 06:06:12 PM
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

bones top to get more rattle without cutting the stocks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on March 11, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

The new hangers are beefed up without being hollowed out underneath?
Are they going to be heavier? Curious about what’s to come!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 11, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
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how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
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bones top to get more rattle without cutting the stocks.

Just did this with my Ace 55’s and it’s great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on March 11, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

The new hangers are beefed up without being hollowed out underneath?
Are they going to be heavier? Curious about what’s to come!

I still run the Krux aftermarkets. I tried a few other combos but they get me the most ridiculous looseness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on March 11, 2020, 07:26:14 PM
I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.
I use them without washers on indy's for a loose but stable setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on March 11, 2020, 07:48:11 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 11, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
The stock Ace bushings I just got were really mushy at first but broke in real nice. Krux or stock or even a Krux/ stock combo work best for me. I like Krux in 55s to avoid wheel bite. Stock in 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on March 11, 2020, 10:15:45 PM
I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we can hope) ACE truck.
Super down with hollow kingpins, but I was really hoping for titanium axles. Skating mostly tech, steel axle trucks die on me prematurely because the threads get completely gored after a while. You can only re-thread them so many times before the nuts start traveling up and down the axle. Main reason I'm still on titanium indy's.

Anyone remember when Silver trucks had those "capped" axle nuts?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 12, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
He’s posted “developments” like that in his IG story before with previous variations, and their QC didn’t develop that great so....yeah. Hanger isn’t reworked to stop the bending. Back to inferior axle nuts...they take 2 steps forward and then 10 back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 12, 2020, 10:46:44 AM
Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: satan on March 12, 2020, 04:37:59 PM
Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?
Harder isn't the way to go with aluminum as that tends to make it more brittle and prone to crack.
There's a reason airplane wings are so flexible..
7071 alloy seems pretty good compared to 356 alloy. Grinds better with similar strength. (And I'm an old Indy guy..)
Maybe they improved the heat treatment? Were there cracking issues? Or just bent hangers?

They needed to upgrade the steel for the axles.. Hopefully this is the different metal you/joey are talking about.

Axle nuts without nyloc is just crazy. Downright mean..
I'm guessing they're still locknuts though, just the distorted thread kind?


edit..
I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?

https://www.cnc-motorsports.com/eagle-rods-crs6000bst-eagle-h-beam-connecting-rods-max-stroker-sb-chevy-60.html
Here's a really extreme example of what I mean by ribs for the webbing.
It'd look weird if you had ribs like that on Ace's. And conrods are forged, idk if you could cast a rib that tall and thin.
Maybe think riblets? Or low profile ribs?
Could even extend the ribs on the bottom side of the hanger, past the webbing, and it wouldn't really be visible.
There's a free one Joey.. Need a design guy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 12, 2020, 06:01:06 PM
Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?

If you look at the wings of the new hangers (foreground); I swear the webbing looks different, on both hangers at different angles (compared to the old ones in the background). Almost 'thinner'? Reminds me of how the old Theeves used to look somehow.

If the 3/8 have nylock, fuck yeah! Otherwise hard fucking pass man, there is a REASON nylock nuts have been used for ever.

Also, old hanger with axle facing us, what's with the pattern on the hanger where the speedrings rest?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 12, 2020, 06:01:32 PM
I dunno. I'm a layman but I find Thunder/ Indy grind better than Ace. Ace metal currently feels too soft and a more difficult to smash through curbs and pool coping. Ace definitely wear down quicker and I assume that is b/c of the shape of the metal and the "softness"...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 12, 2020, 08:37:22 PM
He’s posted “developments” like that in his IG story before with previous variations, and their QC didn’t develop that great so....yeah. Hanger isn’t reworked to stop the bending. Back to inferior axle nuts...they take 2 steps forward and then 10 back.

New axle nuts are free my dude.

I keep two in my wallet all the time left over from these stupid little things.

Does the ace tool not have the regs size or something? Because that's the only reason I would think they'd go back to those. Sell tools

I dunno. I'm a layman but I find Thunder/ Indy grind better than Ace. Ace metal currently feels too soft and a more difficult to smash through curbs and pool coping. Ace definitely wear down quicker and I assume that is b/c of the shape of the metal and the "softness"...

I can see how one would make the argument that thunder is the happy medium between the two ace or ventures
One soft the other hard but I can go through two sets of thunders a year if I skate enough rough shit.
And I like thunders with like 50mm wheels.

The streets are fucked rn. No way am I going under 54 new

Indys grind everything. That's a fact and they last. That's never going to change I think. But I was over indy long long ago. That shit is not my thing. The image sucks.

I bought a set of 139s stage 11 when I came back to skating in 2016 because I was encouraged by a friend and I wanted a high truck for a change. It was an excellent truck. Used 149 stage 10 I got gifted it sucks. I'm holding them for a homie in New Hampshire.

The stage 7? 6 bolt plate was the last ok truck before stage 11 because is wasn't crazy low.

So you have a truck that breaks or wears out easily and a truck that's unattractive via marketing and 2 decades of fails.

Ace is a perfect truck for skating Boston.
It turns the balls so you won't get run over down town by a yuppie.
I know that this soft truck is not going to stick ever.
The shape similarity is sentimental to me. My first good truck in the 80s was a stage 2. Its pretty close to that just like 5 inches less wide.

I'm riding ventures rn because I believe they're made in sf. Sometimes people say it's a lie but it's worth it to me to buy American or at least try to buy American shit.

I give a Fuck about what is under my feet best reps my beliefs. I believe in American labor.

Also I believe from what I've seen over the last 2 months the venture might last longer than all these brands unless the base plates go.

I could see when I dismantled the truck upon purchase that there looks to be a flaw in the hanger design. I think busted base plate around the king pin will end the truck around 15 months without axles showing.

A krux/grind king curved plate shape might stop that. I think all trucks should adopt the rounded base plate

Long day long post.

Venture 2020
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 13, 2020, 06:09:58 AM
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I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

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Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.
I use them without washers on indy's for a loose but stable setup.

Riptide barrels are good for bottoms and short street cone is a pretty close fit on top  (a little short so maybe shim with a flat washer) if you want more duro choices. Just don't listen to their shit about how they turn 15-20% more at a certain duro, get whatever you'd normally buy. I bought into it and got 95a thinking it would be about the same as a 90a indy but it's just feels like a 95a.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 13, 2020, 07:51:07 AM

edit..
I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?


I've read that also. I've found otherwise. It is not enough for me not to rid them but I find a noticeable lag in the grind on most surfaces. Still love the trucks. I'm in the optimistic camp in thinking the new Aces will settle my truck issues for some time. It might be awhile before we see them though...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 13, 2020, 08:15:19 AM
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I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?

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I've read that also. I've found otherwise. It is not enough for me not to rid them but I find a noticeable lag in the grind on most surfaces. Still love the trucks. I'm in the optimistic camp in thinking the new Aces will settle my truck issues for some time. It might be awhile before we see them though...
Me too, watching from the sidelines and letting the R&D take shape for the next release
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on March 23, 2020, 04:24:54 PM
Took my aces off yesterday and apart from the kingpin being supper rattly and loose, also the pivot cup hole is blown out. After two months of pretty easy winter skating.
Never had these problems with other trucks.

Does anyone on here feel know what the best replacement kingpins are?
Thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 23, 2020, 05:13:31 PM
Took my aces off yesterday and apart from the kingpin being supper rattly and loose, also the pivot cup hole is blown out. After two months of pretty easy winter skating.
Never had these problems with other trucks.

Does anyone on here feel know what the best replacement kingpins are?
Thanks

Email their warranty dept they’ll get you new baseplates and then those will do the same thing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 24, 2020, 06:00:34 AM
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 24, 2020, 06:14:58 AM
As wide as you dare to go? I ride 44’s on 8.5” and wouldn’t go any wider than that, I prefer 8.4” with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hmmmokay on March 24, 2020, 06:23:16 AM
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.

In my experience, 8.5 is the max I would want to run 44s on. Depends on how full the shape is too. You can push your wheels out a little bit too by adding an extra washer on the axel before you put your wheel on, if you're like me and like to see a bit of wheel poking out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 24, 2020, 06:36:34 AM
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.

I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 24, 2020, 06:40:52 AM
As wide as you dare to go? I ride 44’s on 8.5” and wouldn’t go any wider than that, I prefer 8.4” with them.
I mean I used them in a 9.25 baker board but at the time i had 58mm conical full which were worn down to 54mm but were really wide, how does it affect on stuff like grinds if the truck is considerably smaller than the board?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 24, 2020, 06:41:54 AM
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Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
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In my experience, 8.5 is the max I would want to run 44s on. Depends on how full the shape is too. You can push your wheels out a little bit too by adding an extra washer on the axel before you put your wheel on, if you're like me and like to see a bit of wheel poking out.
Couldn't agree more, maybe you can stretch it until 8
.626, I wouldn't go further but sure there are guys who like them on 9" boards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 24, 2020, 06:54:57 AM
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Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
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I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s

I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 24, 2020, 07:03:54 AM
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Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
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I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s
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Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
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I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 24, 2020, 07:14:48 AM
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 24, 2020, 07:22:57 AM
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
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About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/

Dang, they actually look awesome on there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 24, 2020, 08:33:07 AM
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.

I've used them on an 8.75" popsicle with extra washers. it worked but wasn't ideal. Currently using them on an AH Brown Bomber which is 8 7/8" but it tapers enough by the trucks so they fit great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 24, 2020, 12:43:59 PM
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As wide as you dare to go? I ride 44’s on 8.5” and wouldn’t go any wider than that, I prefer 8.4” with them.
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I mean I used them in a 9.25 baker board but at the time i had 58mm conical full which were worn down to 54mm but were really wide, how does it affect on stuff like grinds if the truck is considerably smaller than the board?
My only experience was indy 139’s on a 8.25” bloard but it just didn’t felt right, like crook pinch was weird and it was hard to get decent nollie out of it and for some reason I landed shitload of primos on that setup. When I switched to 149’s it was all good again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on March 26, 2020, 09:08:58 AM
I´ve been curious for a while now and I wanna know, does anybody know how the guys sponsored by ace ride their ace trucks?
(Ronnie, Oski, Eli P, Jacopo,etc.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 26, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 09:37:13 AM
I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 26, 2020, 10:04:29 AM
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I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
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Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just mad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 26, 2020, 10:08:45 AM
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I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
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Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
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is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just mad
Maybe redrill mounting holes?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2020, 11:04:29 AM
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
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About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/

I was eyeing that deck a long time ago, can you show a top pic?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 26, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
I was eyeing that deck a long time ago, can you show a top pic?
Click the right arrow
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on March 26, 2020, 03:48:10 PM
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
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About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/

Any advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 26, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
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I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.
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How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middle
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About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/
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I was eyeing that deck a long time ago, can you show a top pic?

beautiful set up. How did you find mag plates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 26, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
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I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
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Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
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is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just mad

Recently went from a 14.75" WB to a 14.5" WB with Aces and it feels fine. Both boards are very flat/mellow. Took me a session to get used to it but it's been great since. TBH I don't think I'd go back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 26, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
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I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?
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Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
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is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just mad
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Recently went from a 14.75" WB to a 14.5" WB with Aces and it feels fine. Both boards are very flat/mellow. Took me a session to get used to it but it's been great since. TBH I don't think I'd go back.
how much did the pop feel change
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 27, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Any advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?
I find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 27, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
My basement concrete floor was laid in two panels and it’s like the equivalent of the gap inbetween sidewalk squares. Any truck that is cast just takes a good 4-5 whacks even less if you’re accurate on center and it comes out super easy. Just line it up over the crack and it’s enough space to allow the kingpin splines to break free from the baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 29, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
Back on Ace, feels sooooo good. Specially after changing the top bushing for some Thunder 95
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 29, 2020, 11:00:18 AM
People I'm bored since I have to stay at home. I want to ask the people that see this to post a pic of their board and their ace trucks if you don't mind :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 29, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
People I'm bored since I have to stay at home. I want to ask the people that see this to post a pic of their board and their ace trucks if you don't mind :)
(https://i.imgur.com/yN3pE10l.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FakieDisaster on March 30, 2020, 04:51:13 AM
any chance Ace trucks ships to Malaysia/South East Asia? so far none Kuala Lumpur shops are bringing them in
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on March 30, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
any chance Ace trucks ships to Malaysia/South East Asia? so far none Kuala Lumpur shops are bringing them in

hit them up on insta
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 30, 2020, 07:51:35 AM
Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on March 30, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?
Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.
I kept em stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 30, 2020, 08:21:44 AM
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Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?
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Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.
I kept em stock.
I think this is due to cold weather making the bushings feel harder - I'm located in a very hot/humid area and mine felt very wobbly at first, and seemed to graduate to a happy medium after break-in. Perhaps you're in a colder area? Maybe "factory tight" isn't too precise?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on March 30, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
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Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?
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Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.
I kept em stock.
Yeah, but I have both bushing washers and the nut barely hanging on and they feel to tight when I push them down with my hand, they turn but I feel them tight
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 30, 2020, 08:23:33 AM
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Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?
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Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.
I kept em stock.
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I think this is due to cold weather making the bushings feel harder - I'm located in a very hot/humid area and mine felt very wobbly at first, and seemed to graduate to a happy medium after break-in. Perhaps you're in a colder area? Maybe "factory tight" isn't too precise?
Probably, when I first stood on mine they were loose af
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on March 30, 2020, 08:48:59 AM
How are medium bones bushings on v3 aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on March 30, 2020, 03:35:32 PM
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Any advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?
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I find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!

Any JB weld or glue for the nut? What kind of JB if so.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 30, 2020, 04:33:28 PM
How are medium bones bushings on v3 aces

I use one on top only.

The bottom doesn't fit proper unless you put both washers on the bottom.

I recommend this if you like really really loose trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
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Any advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?
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I find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!
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Any JB weld or glue for the nut? What kind of JB if so.

I've had great experience with JB Weld's Fastik
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rupertspupkin on March 30, 2020, 11:40:32 PM
Quarantine has helped me figure out the perfect truck. 44s. DLK. Stock bushings, top bushing cut in half. Left all the washers on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on March 31, 2020, 04:54:49 AM
Quarantine has helped me figure out the perfect truck. 44s. DLK. Stock bushings, top bushing cut in half. Left all the washers on.
That top bushing always gives problems.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 31, 2020, 07:00:51 AM
Quarantine has helped me figure out the perfect truck. 44s. DLK. Stock bushings, top bushing cut in half. Left all the washers on.
even better: kreper pin with the full top bushing intact
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on April 07, 2020, 11:29:23 AM
Im looking to buy a deck, what characteristics work well with aces
(SHORT vs LONG WB, STEEP VS MELLOW KICKS, ETC).
Any input is very well received
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 07, 2020, 11:45:29 AM
Im looking to buy a deck, what characteristics work well with aces
(SHORT vs LONG WB, STEEP VS MELLOW KICKS, ETC).
Any input is very well received

Longer Dlx decks or shorter nose and tail decks I’ve found to help pop with aces. 8.06 31.9 full shape with the 14.4 wb work very well with aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Don’t have to think too hard about it. Get a quality board from a shop you want to support and skate it. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finknoos on April 08, 2020, 12:40:42 AM
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How are medium bones bushings on v3 aces
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I use one on top only.

The bottom doesn't fit proper unless you put both washers on the bottom.

I recommend this if you like really really loose trucks.

By top one do you mean top bushing? So top bushing is bones hardcore and bottom is stock, or do you mean washers?

Im currently riding with bones hardcore soft and both washers still in, and its a dream.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 08, 2020, 08:08:41 AM
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How are medium bones bushings on v3 aces
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I use one on top only.

The bottom doesn't fit proper unless you put both washers on the bottom.

I recommend this if you like really really loose trucks.
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By top one do you mean top bushing? So top bushing is bones hardcore and bottom is stock, or do you mean washers?

Im currently riding with bones hardcore soft and both washers still in, and its a dream.

just the top bushings. I ride barrels in all trucks but indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on April 08, 2020, 09:57:19 AM
any chance Ace trucks ships to Malaysia/South East Asia? so far none Kuala Lumpur shops are bringing them in

Do you use Taobao? I've found Ace Trucks on there, along with Theeve and Destructos. They ring up at around $45-50 USD before shipping. You got a size you're looking at?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WideFeet on April 08, 2020, 11:55:45 PM
Sorry if it’s already been talked about, but anyone try 1/8” risers with Ace’s?

I plan to get a set of Ace’s but I know they’re lower than Indy’s. Just curious on what people thought.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 09, 2020, 12:00:35 AM
I THINK I did....that’s burnt.
Why tho? Aces are good up to 56s, easily, imo. I think ace was listing them as 52mm in height.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 09, 2020, 06:29:54 AM
Sorry if it’s already been talked about, but anyone try 1/8” risers with Ace’s?

I plan to get a set of Ace’s but I know they’re lower than Indy’s. Just curious on what people thought.

Yes, they end up being about the same height as standard Indys. They feel good both ways, though. If you're running a wheel with a square profile like a tablet or a conical I would recommend the risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 09, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
Sorry if it’s already been talked about, but anyone try 1/8” risers with Ace’s?

I plan to get a set of Ace’s but I know they’re lower than Indy’s. Just curious on what people thought.

I use 1/8 risers nearly all the time with Ace. I prefer the turn and pop without risers but its mostly wheel bite city for me without risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 11, 2020, 03:27:58 AM
They sell replacement baseplates on the site now, since you’ll need them lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 11, 2020, 10:06:57 AM
I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.

Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 11, 2020, 11:36:46 AM
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?

For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2020, 11:59:18 AM
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
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For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending

Ah. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 11, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
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For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending
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Ah. Thanks.

Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 11, 2020, 05:11:36 PM
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
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For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending
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Ah. Thanks.
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Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.

Nice, I’ve been curious about the DOA Flat. Do they have a lot of fingers of flat between bolts and kicks?

That’s definitely true about Aces and mellow kicks/lots of fingers of flat. Manuals feel great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 11, 2020, 05:45:58 PM
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
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For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending
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Ah. Thanks.
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Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.
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Nice, I’ve been curious about the DOA Flat. Do they have a lot of fingers of flat between bolts and kicks?

That’s definitely true about Aces and mellow kicks/lots of fingers of flat. Manuals feel great.

They do. I'll post a pic of the flat on an 8.25" and an 8.5" tomorrow or Monday.
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I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
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Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
 
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
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For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending
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Ah. Thanks.
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Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.
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Nice, I’ve been curious about the DOA Flat. Do they have a lot of fingers of flat between bolts and kicks?

That’s definitely true about Aces and mellow kicks/lots of fingers of flat. Manuals feel great.
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They do. I'll post a pic of the flat on an 8.25" and an 8.5" tomorrow or Monday.

Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aatila on April 11, 2020, 10:21:52 PM
(http://i.postimg.cc/CK56PhwP/E6222510-A952-4-C0-F-B9-A2-62395041397-D.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 12, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
Heavy team.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 12, 2020, 09:49:09 AM
Do you think Matt Rodriguez still cuts his ace bushings in half? That is some heavy loose trucks team right there...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TokyoBoyzClub on April 12, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
Anybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on April 13, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
Back on my set of old 44’s after skating bigger boards for a few months. Can’t help but notice they don’t seem to be as responsive as they used to be. They also mush out at a certain point. Have heard a few people on here using a Bones Medium top, will this solve my problem? Almost feels like there isn’t enough rebound, even though I don’t weight very much at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 13, 2020, 11:08:31 PM
Back on my set of old 44’s after skating bigger boards for a few months. Can’t help but notice they don’t seem to be as responsive as they used to be. They also mush out at a certain point. Have heard a few people on here using a Bones Medium top, will this solve my problem? Almost feels like there isn’t enough rebound, even though I don’t weight very much at all.

yes

Unfortunately like I said in the other thread I was going though 2or 3 bushings a year. I got this last black set for free.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2020, 04:19:45 AM
Anybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.

Thanks,

I skated some any years back and really enjoyed them, they're 48mm and next to no kingpin grind clearance (but the nut does sit below the hanger.

I don't have a comparison pic, here is what I've got and it's not helpful :P
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dsn-6UiPb1dqLO1bGLNCKANMFo-ruo-6AzAuuFxMdm8yyn8R3fyJDjB0RuZ12uWUlPseXskSV3hybDpyu3SjfWJ69XEg8545AmlyOnSVBOVb5-bCANJU-SHMmokBOxmH-m-5RuP_60U)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 14, 2020, 07:16:36 AM
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Anybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.

Thanks,
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I skated some any years back and really enjoyed them, they're 48mm and next to no kingpin grind clearance (but the nut does sit below the hanger.

I don't have a comparison pic, here is what I've got and it's not helpful :P
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dsn-6UiPb1dqLO1bGLNCKANMFo-ruo-6AzAuuFxMdm8yyn8R3fyJDjB0RuZ12uWUlPseXskSV3hybDpyu3SjfWJ69XEg8545AmlyOnSVBOVb5-bCANJU-SHMmokBOxmH-m-5RuP_60U)

51 the biggest wheel you’d run w/em?
Why’d you quit them?
33/03 is probably my favorite looking truck (that and and ‘94 ish ventures)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
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Anybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.

Thanks,
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I skated some any years back and really enjoyed them, they're 48mm and next to no kingpin grind clearance (but the nut does sit below the hanger.

I don't have a comparison pic, here is what I've got and it's not helpful :P
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dsn-6UiPb1dqLO1bGLNCKANMFo-ruo-6AzAuuFxMdm8yyn8R3fyJDjB0RuZ12uWUlPseXskSV3hybDpyu3SjfWJ69XEg8545AmlyOnSVBOVb5-bCANJU-SHMmokBOxmH-m-5RuP_60U)
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51 the biggest wheel you’d run w/em?
Why’d you quit them?
33/03 is probably my favorite looking truck (that and and ‘94 ish ventures)

That board was an 8.125" REAL Low Pro with 50mm wheels - I was just trying to get a 'loooooooooooooooooooow' feeling setup - and it work! I moved up from 8" boards so bailed on the ACE lows. They're a fantastic turning truck at that height, but at that height and QC you'd do just as well with Mini Logo trucks (which are lighter, turn almost as good and have better QC).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on April 18, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on April 18, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
Just thought about doing that because I miss my 44's

I don't like them on 8.5 though.. Don't think it'll be worth me setting up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 18, 2020, 03:53:24 PM
anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's

I rode 44’s on an 8.75 Bacon last year and loved it. Had some 60mm Spitfire OG classics on it, which are fairly wide so it didn’t look to weird or anything. Rode just fine. Don’t think I would go any bigger than that for 44’s though
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Post by: jtrpma on April 18, 2020, 04:55:50 PM
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anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's
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I rode 44’s on an 8.75 Bacon last year and loved it. Had some 60mm Spitfire OG classics on it, which are fairly wide so it didn’t look to weird or anything. Rode just fine. Don’t think I would go any bigger than that for 44’s though

How did the bacon concave treat you? All the bacons I had in my hand were so crazy deep that I never dared to buy one, even though they are very sympathetic as a company
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 18, 2020, 05:38:29 PM
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I rode 44’s on an 8.75 Bacon last year and loved it. Had some 60mm Spitfire OG classics on it, which are fairly wide so it didn’t look to weird or anything. Rode just fine. Don’t think I would go any bigger than that for 44’s though
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How did the bacon concave treat you? All the bacons I had in my hand were so crazy deep that I never dared to buy one, even though they are very sympathetic as a company

I loved it! I’m a fan of super deep concave so the Bacon, or any South central deck and Pennswood deep concave are perfect for me, especially in the wider sizes. I’d love to find an old school style deck with concave and kicks like that.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on April 18, 2020, 07:32:11 PM
anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's

55s without a doubt in my mind
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Post by: moonordie on April 18, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
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55s without a doubt in my mind
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on April 18, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
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anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's
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55s without a doubt in my mind
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+ 1 on this

Thanks y’all
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 18, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
Depends on the taper of the 8.75 tho, I had 44s on my old Chocolate Chico 8.75 and they were fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on April 18, 2020, 09:31:38 PM
I’ve done it, wanted to make it work so bad but it just got too tippy, even with 3 washers on the inside. I rode 55’s on my 8.75 Eagle but I just don’t like the way they pop/flip in comparison.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on April 19, 2020, 03:38:44 AM
I’ve done it, wanted to make it work so bad but it just got too tippy, even with 3 washers on the inside. I rode 55’s on my 8.75 Eagle but I just don’t like the way they pop/flip in comparison.

Anyone tried 55’s on a AH brown bomber?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 19, 2020, 10:01:20 AM
BB is one of those boards that could really benefit from an Ace size in between 44 and 55. I use 44s on mine as its a street rig but if I was most skating tranny on it, 55s would be fine also. 8.75" trucks fit best on that deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on April 19, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
BB is one of those boards that could really benefit from an Ace size in between 44 and 55. I use 44s on mine as its a street rig but if I was most skating tranny on it, 55s would be fine also. 8.75" trucks fit best on that deck.

I’m mostly on tranny and curbs!

Do you know the width over the front and rear trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 19, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
one of my aces is tilted/crooked does it matter? how can i fix it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 20, 2020, 02:23:11 AM
one of my aces is tilted/crooked does it matter? how can i fix it

As in a bent hanger/axle? Or tilted at the bushing/pivot? If it's the first, not much you can do. If it's the second, no it doesn't matter once you step on it, truck hangers never sit perfectly parallel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 20, 2020, 07:27:01 AM
Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 20, 2020, 01:33:58 PM
Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 20, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
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Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
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sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on April 20, 2020, 08:49:31 PM
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sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
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Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.

I don't know anyone that's had any major issues with theirs... the worst thing to happen to mine is some rattling but it's never affected my performance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 21, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
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Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
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sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
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Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.
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I don't know anyone that's had any major issues with theirs... the worst thing to happen to mine is some rattling but it's never affected my performance.

I’ve gotten loose pins and bent axels on both 33 and 44 sets in the past months to a year :/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 21, 2020, 01:57:19 PM
Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
Fuck it. They’re on the way. Ride the hell out of them. Expecting the worst is the best way to always get let down. Give ‘em hell, man!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on April 22, 2020, 11:30:38 AM
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Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.
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sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
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Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.
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I don't know anyone that's had any major issues with theirs... the worst thing to happen to mine is some rattling but it's never affected my performance.
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I’ve gotten loose pins and bent axels on both 33 and 44 sets in the past months to a year :/

I don't skate drops, that's probably why
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 24, 2020, 01:04:34 AM
When are the new ones coming out?

I hope the rumor of them being 55mm isn’t true, I love them being 52mm, perfect height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 24, 2020, 09:56:28 AM
When are the new ones coming out?

I hope the rumor of them being 55mm isn’t true, I love them being 52mm, perfect height

With the world pretty much shutdown I doubt we're going to see them (or the Mindys) anytime soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 25, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 25, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.


Instantly start swapping parts n’ pieces in and out and tighten and loosen the trucks in between maneuvers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 25, 2020, 08:17:41 PM
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Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.
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Instantly start swapping parts n’ pieces in and out and tighten and loosen the trucks in between maneuvers
hahahahaha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2020, 08:31:58 PM
Might’ve gotten an older set with the rock hard stock bushings? I’m 210 and those new stock bushings get me pretty good wheelbite when I lean hard. Definitely far from a tight truck even at factory tightness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 25, 2020, 09:03:01 PM
Might’ve gotten an older set with the rock hard stock bushings? I’m 210 and those new stock bushings get me pretty good wheelbite when I lean hard. Definitely far from a tight truck even at factory tightness.
Damn. Do I have to order new bushings after one session with them? What have I gotten myself into...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 25, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
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Might’ve gotten an older set with the rock hard stock bushings? I’m 210 and those new stock bushings get me pretty good wheelbite when I lean hard. Definitely far from a tight truck even at factory tightness.
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Damn. Do I have to order new bushings after one session with them? What have I gotten myself into...
ace quality control in a nutshell
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 26, 2020, 08:15:18 AM
Not to defend Ace’s shit QC but I mean...you’ve had to do the same with Indy’s since ever until they switched to China and put good stocks in their trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on April 26, 2020, 10:06:43 AM
Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.

loosen them just a bit and leave them. the bushings take a week or two before they start to feel good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 26, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
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Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.
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loosen them just a bit and leave them. the bushings take a week or two before they start to feel good

Also check that the bushings were installed correctly from the factory cause Indy China qc messes this up sometimes

Make sure the bottom bushing(big cylinder one) has the face side of the bushings with the rings facing the washer, it honestly makes a difference
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on April 27, 2020, 09:36:56 AM
I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 27, 2020, 11:26:11 AM
I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.

What 8" deck?  How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?   

Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder.  Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 27, 2020, 11:41:47 AM
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 27, 2020, 11:44:50 AM
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.

I think that is what keeps people on ACE, they committed so much time to breaking them in they're too stubborn to switch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on April 27, 2020, 12:37:09 PM
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I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.
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What 8" deck?  How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?   

Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder.  Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.
Its an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2020, 12:56:54 PM
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.

The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on April 27, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
Speaking of Ace and bushings, I just tried this but on Ace 33s:

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I use one on top only.

...and it's not bad. I mean fuck, I just did it today for one flatground session.

Originally I was using the Ace stock bushings, broken in. Everything was going well, but I noticed that the bottom bushings were riding over the edges of the washers a little bit. Got concerned that that could lead to a problem. Also, I noticed that when I pushed my board out on flat, it would always curve to the left (this is a usual problem of mine). Maybe I'm exposing my ignorance but I figured why not switch the bushings to the Bones medium bushings to see if it does anything.

So I did switch them, but I don't think double-cone bushings work well with Aces. I was previously using the Bones in a pair of Thunders with no issues (aside from the top washer and nut unable to fit on one truck until I gave myself an aneurysm forcing the top bushing down. It eventually worked).

Anyway, the Bones bushings in my Ace 33s turned well but felt unstable. So I decided to give Assflea's suggestion a try. It does feel more stable, and the board isn't curving to one side any longer, but now the bottom bushing is less visible in one truck than the other. Feels good, though. Maybe I just have to tighten the kingpins and everything will be perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 27, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
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I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.
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What 8" deck?  How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?   

Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder.  Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.
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Its an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.

Ace 33s are dope.
Buy all the things, I’m in a deep spiral of talking myself into all kinds of bullshit.
That being said: give the setup a shot. You might end up really liking the .25 overhang. There are distinct advantages to trucks wider than board. Firstly: looks cool as fuck. Something something something stability and pinch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on April 27, 2020, 02:09:30 PM
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The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).


anyway to visually tell which bushings are DD?

got two sets of Ace coming, was trying to wait for the redesign but i don't see that happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on April 27, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
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I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.
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What 8" deck?  How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?   

Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder.  Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.
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Its an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.
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Ace 33s are dope.
Buy all the things, I’m in a deep spiral of talking myself into all kinds of bullshit.
That being said: give the setup a shot. You might end up really liking the .25 overhang. There are distinct advantages to trucks wider than board. Firstly: looks cool as fuck. Something something something stability and pinch
Good points..I have used the .25 overhang on bigger setups and liked it. And tbh my tricks dont get much cleaner than yesterday. But what stuck out the most was when you said "Ace 33s are dope" So I have to order them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.

Their new stock and aftermarket bushings are soft. Shouldn’t take anymore than a sesh or two in warm/hot weather.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on April 27, 2020, 06:43:29 PM
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The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).
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anyway to visually tell which bushings are DD?

got two sets of Ace coming, was trying to wait for the redesign but i don't see that happening anytime soon.

They came on the most recent ACE revision from day one as far as I know, so if you have those you have the dual duro. To tell what version trucks you have the easiest way is the size of the V (right?). It's bigger on the newer ones, I think it's fairly easy to tell if you look at pics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
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Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.
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The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).
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anyway to visually tell which bushings are DD?

got two sets of Ace coming, was trying to wait for the redesign but i don't see that happening anytime soon.

Same, I bought a pair right before the crazy happened. Glad I did. Even after we're out, gonna be a while before we see them. IF we see them. I won't be surprised of a lot of the companies don't make it through this. Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 29, 2020, 06:15:27 AM
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?

Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.

Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 29, 2020, 06:23:14 AM
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?

Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.

Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.
Sounds like a lot, I wouldn't do it. Is my theory that you can go 1/4 of an inch up or down, no more than that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 29, 2020, 06:32:46 AM
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?

Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.

Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.

Trucks .62” wider than the board seem like too much. Obviously you can do math, most likely better than I, for comparison that would be similar to a 7.88” deck with 149s.
I’ve done 159s on 8.25 and liked it. 159s on 8.38 is cool.
I guess if you really wanted to justify trying it, ACE has really long axles, so you could use thin wheels, and place them right against the hanger.
I’ve got some lightly used 44s, raw, that I could be down to trade for 5.6s, 6.1s, 161s.

I skated my my setup with the 44s yesterday. I am able to flip my board much better with ace and taller wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 29, 2020, 06:53:15 AM
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?

Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.

Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.

I tried 55s on an 8.5 to see how it looked and it was just too much, so I am thinking it'll be a no go. That being said, the stock washers on Ace are nice and thick, so if you put them both on the inside of some 44s it pushes the wheels out to be where they would on a 149/5.8.

As far as the color, are the anodized or enamel? I'm pretty sure you could get them to raw (if the latter) with some kind of pain stripper.

EDIT: If you hate them again LMK and I'll trade you for a set of Venture 5.8s

Unrelated: put my 44s on an 8.25 DOA flat and ended up having my best session since quarantine started. In the past I have been running them stock tightness, but this time I turned them a little less than 1/2 of a rotation and they feel perfect for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on April 29, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
Speaking of Ace and bushings, I just tried this but on Ace 33s:

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...and it's not bad. I mean fuck, I just did it today for one flatground session.

Long-winded post

Just to follow up, I recently put the original Ace bushings back in the 33s and it feels better than the other combos I tried. Ain't broke don't fix it I guess.

I'm thinking of buying the Grind King/Kreper kingpin and trying it out, a la Grosso.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 05, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
Pontus running some Aces in the Polar IG.

(https://i.imgur.com/mXyktI2.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 05, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
Pontus running some Aces in the Polar IG.

(https://i.imgur.com/mXyktI2.png)

Those looking like 55s with some risers?
The turn on ACE is so stupidly fun.
They also look great/my fave truck, aesthetically.
I need a minimum of 3 speed rings cuz threads. I miss a lot of flip tricks. 
Segue into me having an even harder time with flips on ACE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 05, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
Yeah, looks like 55s with 1/8". Puts them at about Indy height, which is what Pontus was running before. Also offers another glimpse of the new Last Resort AB shoes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 08, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?

For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 09:12:02 AM
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I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).

Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger, ace does shorten the wheel to wheel wb so blah blah blah, maybe that’d work.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 08, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
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Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger,  it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation

No problem at all! The Pennswood deep concaves generally have a smaller wheelbase than the other ones but those are harder to find now. You might be able to message him on Instagram to see if anyone carries those currently. The wb on those is usually 14-14.25.

I really need to try a Northern co one of these days. I love the graphic/veneer combos they make. Beautiful
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
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Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger,  it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation
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No problem at all! The Pennswood deep concaves generally have a smaller wheelbase than the other ones but those are harder to find now. You might be able to message him on Instagram to see if anyone carries those currently. The wb on those is usually 14-14.25.

I really need to try a Northern co one of these days. I love the graphic/veneer combos they make. Beautiful

The northern co boards look excellent, slightly too mature, which won’t make sense. But they always look beautiful.
That Jameel part is really rad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 08, 2020, 09:37:57 AM
I'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.

I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on May 08, 2020, 09:40:08 AM
Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.

I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 10:13:14 AM
I'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.

I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.

Very valid.
I need to figure out what those parts are and stick.
I like thunders pop, but can’t skate wheels greater than 52 without it driving me crazy/wheelbite.
Love the way ACE turn, haven’t ever been able to flip my board well with them.
Skated venture lo’s forever, hard to skate a regular sized wheel (I live in some crusty places, and most of my skating is solo in semi shit parking lots, small wheels are great for the park).
Trying not to skate Indy.
Blah blah.
Thanks for the advice!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on May 08, 2020, 10:18:49 AM
Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.

I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.

The kingpin's loose. It's been like that on my 55s for a couple years now. Kind of annoying at first but it hasn't affected the performance though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 08, 2020, 10:25:29 AM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
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Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger,  it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation
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No problem at all! The Pennswood deep concaves generally have a smaller wheelbase than the other ones but those are harder to find now. You might be able to message him on Instagram to see if anyone carries those currently. The wb on those is usually 14-14.25.

I really need to try a Northern co one of these days. I love the graphic/veneer combos they make. Beautiful
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The northern co boards look excellent, slightly too mature, which won’t make sense. But they always look beautiful.
That Jameel part is really rad.

Hell yeah, that guy is so fun to watch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 08, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
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I'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.

I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.
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Very valid.
I need to figure out what those parts are and stick.
I like thunders pop, but can’t skate wheels greater than 52 without it driving me crazy/wheelbite.
Love the way ACE turn, haven’t ever been able to flip my board well with them.
Skated venture lo’s forever, hard to skate a regular sized wheel (I live in some crusty places, and most of my skating is solo in semi shit parking lots, small wheels are great for the park).
Trying not to skate Indy.
Blah blah.
Thanks for the advice!!
ace bushings in thunder trucks should work like magic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheAvidBleeder on May 08, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.

I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.

I had the same issue with some 44’s.   Wobbly kingpins.   Ace sent me so new baseplates under warranty.  They were earlier generation trucks.  No issue with the newer baseplates.   Huge fan of Ace. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on May 08, 2020, 08:00:16 PM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).

Second this...mine feel best on steep generator decks. Great with Heroin 8.5 shape.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2020, 08:03:03 PM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
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Second this...mine feel best on steep generator decks. Great with Heroin 8.5 shape.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on May 08, 2020, 08:29:02 PM
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Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.

I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.
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The kingpin's loose. It's been like that on my 55s for a couple years now. Kind of annoying at first but it hasn't affected the performance though.
Ah, I didn't want to say it but I had a bad feeling in my stomach it might be the kingpins.
What's the solution to this? Lock-tite? or can you just bash it back in? driving me nuts.
Also, someone else mentioned they sent their's in under warranty, sorry don't know how to double quote.
Is it worth a shot? THX!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheAvidBleeder on May 08, 2020, 08:44:55 PM
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Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.

I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.
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The kingpin's loose. It's been like that on my 55s for a couple years now. Kind of annoying at first but it hasn't affected the performance though.
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Ah, I didn't want to say it but I had a bad feeling in my stomach it might be the kingpins.
What's the solution to this? Lock-tite? or can you just bash it back in? driving me nuts.
Also, someone else mentioned they sent their's in under warranty, sorry don't know how to double quote.
Is it worth a shot? THX!

The hole for the kingpins were bored out/stretched causing a rattle.   I was able to just send a picture of the kingpin holes stretched out in the baseplate and they sent me some new ones.  Newer baseplates have had no issues.  Kingpin issue has been resolved with newer design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on May 09, 2020, 06:05:46 AM
33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 09, 2020, 07:05:20 AM
Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?

Traffic coakley 8.4 with the prayer beads on it was definitely #1.

8.5 deluxe. In particular the green r1 oval and the 8.5 krooked team eyes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 09, 2020, 07:07:42 AM
33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.

I remember that about my 33, v1s.
With ACE I am surprised with how much room the axles have to play with wheel position, and in turn how effective that is.
V1s sure bent more often, but goddamn 33s are easily my favorite looking truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 09, 2020, 07:08:24 AM
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Bought to cross post this nonsense:

I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
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Traffic coakley 8.4 with the prayer beads on it was definitely #1.

8.5 deluxe. In particular the green r1 oval and the 8.5 krooked team eyes.

Thank you sire
‘Preciate you
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 09, 2020, 07:25:52 AM
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I'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.

I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.
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Very valid.
I need to figure out what those parts are and stick.
I like thunders pop, but can’t skate wheels greater than 52 without it driving me crazy/wheelbite.
Love the way ACE turn, haven’t ever been able to flip my board well with them.
Skated venture lo’s forever, hard to skate a regular sized wheel (I live in some crusty places, and most of my skating is solo in semi shit parking lots, small wheels are great for the park).
Trying not to skate Indy.
Blah blah.
Thanks for the advice!!

Ok I'm going to help you with the flip tricks. This works for the straight 8 for me.

I ride 8.25 to 8.5s but I think of my board as being only as wide as my baseplates when it comes to flipping my board. So I'm doing everything from Ollie position not on the rails of the board to maintain Ballance

Tre on flat is still kinda a pain. That's more about my current jumping ability.

But yes think skinny ass 2x4 and you will be popping huge because you got all that grip to pass over.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 09, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Charlie Hustle on May 09, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 09, 2020, 09:08:36 AM
Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.

Rats. Big fan of using that as a curse/swear.

I’ve just donE the acetone, paint thinner, leave submerged, and then metal brush bristle them off.


Tease this man’s about a typo and then do the same smh.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 09, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
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Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
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Rats. Big fan of using that as a curse/swear.

I’ve just don’t the acetone, paint thinner, leav submerged, and then metal brush bristle them off.

Ha that was supposed to be “raws”

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Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
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Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?

Haven’t had color on my trucks in 20 or so years. Just feels weird.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Stigmata on May 09, 2020, 12:04:05 PM
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Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
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Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?


Citristrip will take the paint right off, ive used it plenty of times
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 09, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.

I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing.  They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger.  This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".

https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 09, 2020, 01:00:24 PM
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33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
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I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing.  They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger.  This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".

https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)


That’s sick!
 I’ve bent axles on ACE and Indy. Neither recently. The ACE were fine with a little bend, the Indy’s were drastic. I’d try this in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ihatejulio on May 09, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 09, 2020, 01:49:01 PM
I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?

If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ihatejulio on May 09, 2020, 01:55:16 PM
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I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
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If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.

Rad, thank you. How's axel slippage on Aces? I know that's been a problem for my Indys in the past with the number of slappies I do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
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33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
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I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing.  They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger.  This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".

https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)

On my ventures I can get 3 rings on the inside with these!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 09, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
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I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
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If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.
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Rad, thank you. How's axel slippage on Aces? I know that's been a problem for my Indys in the past with the number of slappies I do.

No problem. I'm back and forth between Aces and Indy's depending on my level of boredom, never noticed any extreme axle slipping from either in the last couple years. That said, I'm sure others could chime in and say otherwise, I've gotten lucky never having issues with Aces (only had V3's).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 09, 2020, 04:38:15 PM
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I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
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If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.
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Rad, thank you. How's axel slippage on Aces? I know that's been a problem for my Indys in the past with the number of slappies I do.
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No problem. I'm back and forth between Aces and Indy's depending on my level of boredom, never noticed any extreme axle slipping from either in the last couple years. That said, I'm sure others could chime in and say otherwise, I've gotten lucky never having issues with Aces (only had V3's).

What deck Polar? Sounds like a dope size.
I’ve noticed little problems here and there with ACE qc, but I’ve never had it fuck me up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on May 09, 2020, 07:06:41 PM
I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?

Maybe not really noticeable in terms of wheelbase, but Aces are pretty low compared to Indy's. So it's definitely not the same feeling. I prefer Ace personally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 09, 2020, 07:16:52 PM
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33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
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I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing.  They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger.  This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".

https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)
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On my ventures I can get 3 rings on the inside with these!

I run three on my 44’s and one on the outside. I just flip my axle nuts so the nylock catches fully and they sit just past flush on the end of the axle so they don’t get touched. Problem solved, and no need to spend all that money on Ti axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 09, 2020, 07:29:13 PM
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33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
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I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing.  They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger.  This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".

https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)
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On my ventures I can get 3 rings on the inside with these!
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I run three on my 44’s and one on the outside. I just flip my axle nuts so the nylock catches fully and they sit just past flush on the end of the axle so they don’t get touched. Problem solved, and no need to spend all that money on Ti axle nuts.
excuse my stupid/drunk self but what are these supposed to do
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 09, 2020, 08:06:49 PM
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I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
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Maybe not really noticeable in terms of wheelbase, but Aces are pretty low compared to Indy's. So it's definitely not the same feeling. I prefer Ace personally.

That is a point I forgot. I switch between Indy forged and Aces, so the height difference is barely noticeable, but if you're used to standard Indy's it might be more of an issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 11, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
Are there any hard bushing options for Ace trucks?

Lifetime Indy rider here. I have a scenario...

Got a deck that's 9.5 at the back truck. Indy 215 is too wide and 169 too slim.

Thinking of Ace 66, but...

I've ridden Indy's with Bones Hard bushings for years (240 lb. fat-ass) and ride semi-tight.

I've heard Krux fit nicely, but they're soft. I've also heard about people doing Bones or Indy bushings with extra washers as to not change geometry. I'd prefer not change geometry unless I have to.

Any/all experience welcome.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on May 11, 2020, 04:14:54 PM
66 and break in the bushings slowly..

You can't jump on aces and expect them to do everything you want the first 5 minutes

Once they stop popping out of the washers, tighten them a 1/8th to 1/4th turn until you lean both sides with no wheelbite.. Riding and turning around to feel them out

Not here to glorify grosso... But if his fat ass can ride them stock, so can everyone else
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 11, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
Are there any hard bushing options for Ace trucks?

Lifetime Indy rider here. I have a scenario...

Got a deck that's 9.5 at the back truck. Indy 215 is too wide and 169 too slim.

Thinking of Ace 66, but...

I've ridden Indy's with Bones Hard bushings for years (240 lb. fat-ass) and ride semi-tight.

I've heard Krux fit nicely, but they're soft. I've also heard about people doing Bones or Indy bushings with extra washers as to not change geometry. I'd prefer not change geometry unless I have to.

Any/all experience welcome.

I would just put a hard bones on the top
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 11, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
mini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 11, 2020, 04:57:44 PM
mini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard

Reeeeaaaally..?

That sounds super-promising.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 11, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
Are there any hard bushing options for Ace trucks?

Run whatever.  I measured a bunch last week and they were all within 2/100ths of an inch.

Ace (white out of a 66) : .53" tall
Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"
Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Bones (black hard) : .55"

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 11, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
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mini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard
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Reeeeaaaally..?

That sounds super-promising.
yessir. green is soft (84a), orange medium (94a), red hard (100a)

https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-hard-bushings-single

https://www.skateamerica.com/collections/skate-bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 11, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
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mini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard
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Reeeeaaaally..?

That sounds super-promising.
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yessir. green is soft (84a), orange medium (94a), red hard (100a)

https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-hard-bushings-single

https://www.skateamerica.com/collections/skate-bushings

That's what's up. Thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 11, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
If you’re used to Indy’s with Bones hards just throw them on your Ace’s man, works great. I recommend the Bones washer for top and bottom. I hover around 200-210lbs so I can get away with their stock bushings. They harden up after a sesh or two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 12, 2020, 05:19:16 AM
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Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course raws restock this week.
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Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?
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Citristrip will take the paint right off, ive used it plenty of times

Gnar for the tip. Let them sit over night. Removed the paint off one hanger this morning before work, gotta tackle the other when I get back home.

Looking good so far. Here's a few pics.

Before
(https://i.imgur.com/s43Ybhfl.jpg)
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During
(https://i.imgur.com/G6a8uFXl.jpg)

One finished hanger
(https://i.imgur.com/64umoqil.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WAtJXaml.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 12, 2020, 05:51:36 AM
Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 12, 2020, 05:55:56 AM
Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?

Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on May 12, 2020, 06:17:41 AM
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Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
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Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
can u do the baseplate too? these came out perfect
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 12, 2020, 06:27:56 AM
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Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
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Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
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can u do the baseplate too? these came out perfect

Yeah, you could totally do the base plates as well. I don't mind colored bases but I couldn't do the hangers.

It would take a little extra work for the bases as there are a few more crevices to get the paint out of. Hangers were pretty smooth. Most of it peeled right off and then I hit it with a medium stripping pad to get a few stubborn spots. That's what led to the brushed look in the photo with the flash.

I might do a video of the second hanger this afternoon to show how easy it was. If I do I'll post up here. It wouldn't be very long, literally cleaned the bubbled paint off the one hanger while I was waiting for the Keurig to brew my coffee.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 12, 2020, 06:46:51 AM
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Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
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Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.

Makes sense. I waffled back and forth considering taping and went against it, for no real reason. I’ll check those trucks to see if the axles are jacked, didn’t really notice. Could only help to tape tho.

Same same re: base plates. Taking out the pivot cups and like you mentioned cleaning up all of the crevices didn’t seem fun.

I’ve been flopping between ACE and venture. Had a decent enough day with the 44s so I’ll just try and stick there. I feel like I could set up decks 8-8.5 on these things.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 12, 2020, 06:59:36 AM


One finished hanger
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on May 12, 2020, 07:22:52 AM
Raw looks sick. I think the ace hanger shape adds to it. Nice work. I no longer fear buying colored trucks if I see a deal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 12, 2020, 07:47:11 AM
Raw looks sick. I think the ace hanger shape adds to it. Nice work. I no longer fear buying colored trucks if I see a deal.

Thanks, it was super easy. Just applied and let sit for 12 hours or so on that truck.Came off very easy. The second hanger will be sitting for about 24 hours before I get to it.

Looks cool with the blue base/raw hanger

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Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
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Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
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Makes sense. I waffled back and forth considering taping and went against it, for no real reason. I’ll check those trucks to see if the axles are jacked, didn’t really notice. Could only help to tape tho.

Same same re: base plates. Taking out the pivot cups and like you mentioned cleaning up all of the crevices didn’t seem fun.

I’ve been flopping between ACE and venture. Had a decent enough day with the 44s so I’ll just try and stick there. I feel like I could set up decks 8-8.5 on these things.

Same here, every few months I buy a set of ACE and give them a go. I think because of the COVID thing since I didn't skate almost 6 weeks and then tossed the ACE on it was less of a mind fuck coming from Venture. These are feeling pretty good so far. And now that theyhave the raw hanger I'm even more excited by them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 12, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
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Raw looks sick. I think the ace hanger shape adds to it. Nice work. I no longer fear buying colored trucks if I see a deal.
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Thanks, it was super easy. Just applied and let sit for 12 hours or so on that truck.Came off very easy. The second hanger will be sitting for about 24 hours before I get to it.

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Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
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Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
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Makes sense. I waffled back and forth considering taping and went against it, for no real reason. I’ll check those trucks to see if the axles are jacked, didn’t really notice. Could only help to tape tho.

Same same re: base plates. Taking out the pivot cups and like you mentioned cleaning up all of the crevices didn’t seem fun.

I’ve been flopping between ACE and venture. Had a decent enough day with the 44s so I’ll just try and stick there. I feel like I could set up decks 8-8.5 on these things.
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Same here, every few months I buy a set of ACE and give them a go. I think because of the COVID thing since I didn't skate almost 6 weeks and then tossed the ACE on it was less of a mind fuck coming from Venture. These are feeling pretty good so far. And now that theyhave the raw hanger I'm even more excited by them.
the blue that stayed in the 44 is a really nice touch. i skated horribly on my old set of aces but if they looked like that, id force myself to get good with em
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whagman on May 15, 2020, 09:27:23 AM
just got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 15, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
just got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it

It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.

Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 15, 2020, 10:08:48 AM
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just got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it
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It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.

Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.

I'm on my second pair in a row that has done this. I've had the same experience as FrozenIndustries with them hardening up after about an hour into the first session. In case this saves you time and "messing with the breaking in process" of loosening the nut and cramming the bushing back in with your thumb, try taking the flat end of your house key and pressing it against the "problem area" until it sucks back inside the washer. You might have to do this more than a few times, but hopefully it stops after that first hour or so.

Edit: my third pair
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 15, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
Started skating my Ace 44 again recently and i'm loving them so far. Paired them with an 8.25 Baker. I avoided them for awhile thinking they wouldn't do the job as well as thunders on ledges but i'm feeling better than ever on this setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 15, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
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It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.

Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.

Happened on my past pair but they broke in nicely and the over bulge stopped.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 15, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
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It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.

Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.
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Happened on my past pair but they broke in nicely and the over bulge stopped.

I’ve lucked out and it hasn’t happened to me. It sounds like it happened to folks regardless if they pre-tighten their trucks or not. I don’t. I just leave factory stock, skate around, don’t go real hard (ever) fresh out of the gate. New trucks and I’m kinda just cruising for transportation for most of the first few days. Instead of doing that you could rock back and forth on you board in the house. Maybe that’ll help
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on May 15, 2020, 11:49:28 AM
No bulging for me. Maybe got lucky, maybe it's not as prevalent as a thread on a forum can make it seem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 02:21:19 PM
Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 16, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.

Please post the reply up here.

I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing.  I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 03:17:41 PM
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Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
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Please post the reply up here.

I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing.  I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.

Will do man.

What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 16, 2020, 09:16:22 PM
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Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
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Please post the reply up here.

I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing.  I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.
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Will do man.

What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.
at least you got a fresh ride
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 16, 2020, 09:42:02 PM
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Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
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Please post the reply up here.

I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing.  I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.
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Will do man.

What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.

Currently on Mini Logo medium. They are 94, and would be a bit hard on 44s - but the extra leverage of the 66s makes  them doable. I was craving a bit softer today.  I have probably 8 other sets of bushings I could try in them, but am trying to avoid the madness and just skate them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 17, 2020, 12:17:34 AM
Just cruise on your first few sessions on Ace until they harden up. Mine popped out of the washers too in the beginning and I had to force myself not to tinker with them. It was worth though, I’ve never tightened/ loosened them and they rode perfectly these days. Manuals feel so good on them too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on May 17, 2020, 02:14:19 PM
My 44s are kinda crooked and im 100% sure it has to do with bushing/pivot. How can i fix this?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on May 17, 2020, 04:54:06 PM
Pivot cup replacement has worked for me in the past on indy's
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Post by: Ok on May 17, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
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Sorry to be rude: have you taken them fully apart? Taking the pivot cups out and such? If when reassembled still tweaked, my guess would be the same as above, pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shalominator on May 17, 2020, 07:45:53 PM
My 44s are kinda crooked and im 100% sure it has to do with bushing/pivot. How can i fix this?

Pop some new bushings band cups In and good to go
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Noble Experiment on May 18, 2020, 01:54:39 AM
Was thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Benchpress on May 18, 2020, 02:31:19 AM
Was thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle

Legit, I understand the performance may be good but damn the QC and amount of tinkering people have to do when indys and thunders just work out the box. Can they really be worth it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 18, 2020, 04:30:05 AM
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Legit, I understand the performance may be good but damn the QC and amount of tinkering people have to do when indys and thunders just work out the box. Can they really be worth it?

To be honest this is more truck nerds being nerds than anything. I've had multiple pairs of ace and keep them fully stock, never had problems. Only adjusted them to  the tightness I like after they broke in which takes about one session.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 18, 2020, 05:43:04 AM
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Legit, I understand the performance may be good but damn the QC and amount of tinkering people have to do when indys and thunders just work out the box. Can they really be worth it?
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To be honest this is more truck nerds being nerds than anything. I've had multiple pairs of ace and keep them fully stock, never had problems. Only adjusted them to  the tightness I like after they broke in which takes about one session.

Yeah, aside from the bulge on the first day of having my current set of 44s I've never has any issues (had 3 sets total) and have just skated mine basically at stock tightness. If you look in the Venture thread there are just as many people talking about swapping bushings and washers in there, trying to change the way they turn and stuff.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 18, 2020, 05:44:24 AM
Was thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle
they’re not really; I was looking for a no fuss truck that I could just ride without having to swap out everything. The advice I got on here was don’t touch anything and just cruise around on them for a few sessions until the bushing harden up and that’s exactly what I did, haven’t touched them since.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 18, 2020, 06:27:16 AM
I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 18, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
never had a problem with my 44s, they are the most recent version though, snap some up before they come out with all their new sizes.

I love my aces but am thinking about getting some film trucks in 151 size for bigger boards. Any of you ace heads ridden them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on May 18, 2020, 07:28:08 AM
I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?


Only my first gen aces had shit pivot cups. When they got destroyed I put khiro cups in them and had no more problem. Newer gen aces have great cups

Thought I had axle slip once but finally figured out it was a bad axle nut with destroyed nylon.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 18, 2020, 07:32:59 AM
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I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
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Only my first gen aces had shit pivot cups. When they got destroyed I put khiro cups in them and had no more problem. Newer gen aces have great cups

Thought I had axle slip once but finally figured out it was a bad axle nut with destroyed nylon.

oh, was it the Pivot cups quality? I thought it was the geometry that just put to much stress into the pivot cups, because I remember people saying that they had to change pivot cups every 3 months or so... I dont think I changed pivot cups ever before. My Indys still have the same after almost 2 years. I might try a new pair of aces once I need new trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on May 18, 2020, 10:02:59 AM
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I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
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Only my first gen aces had shit pivot cups. When they got destroyed I put khiro cups in them and had no more problem. Newer gen aces have great cups

Thought I had axle slip once but finally figured out it was a bad axle nut with destroyed nylon.
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oh, was it the Pivot cups quality? I thought it was the geometry that just put to much stress into the pivot cups, because I remember people saying that they had to change pivot cups every 3 months or so... I dont think I changed pivot cups ever before. My Indys still have the same after almost 2 years. I might try a new pair of aces once I need new trucks.

Could've been a combination of both the geo and the cups but changing cups remedied the problem for me.
I mean maybe the shitty cups would last longer in another brand's truck.
I'm not trying to evangelize ace but just how they turn makes it worth getting a pair. I also like the light pop feel while still feeling like a hefty truck if that makes sense
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 18, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
Ace's have good stock bushings and pivot cups but still plenty of QC issues. Uneven axles, still bend, etc. Just have to order a set and hope they're a good one from the batch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 18, 2020, 10:41:21 AM
I'm about to setup some 44 on an Black summer 8.7 egg
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Post by: Slayer666 on May 18, 2020, 11:43:44 AM
I'm about to setup some 44 on an Black summer 8.7 egg
0 yea m8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ihatejulio on May 19, 2020, 10:23:54 PM
It's been a fun week on my first pair of 44's. I'm a definite convert.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 20, 2020, 03:38:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/V2vUu3bl.jpg)
44 with 2 washers on the inside
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 20, 2020, 04:36:02 PM
Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 20, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
No news. . Still lots of indications on social media that they are working on new sizes but  I'm guessing it will be awhile before we will see anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on May 20, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.

Don’t think we’ve heard anything since covid. They’re definitely being tested by the team and Joey posts daily photos them.

I would say just go for it, you’ll be waiting a while
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 20, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.

Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on May 20, 2020, 04:58:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/V2vUu3bl.jpg)
44 with 2 washers on the inside
Is this the 8.6 Egg?
I really wanted to skate my 44's on my Fried Egg, but it's 8.9 so I'm going with Indy 159's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on May 20, 2020, 05:01:53 PM
Seriously what’s the deal with Aces and flip tricks?? I’ve never struggled so much with kickflips
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on May 20, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
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Is this the 8.6 Egg?
I really wanted to skate my 44's on my Fried Egg, but it's 8.9 so I'm going with Indy 159's.
8.7, haven't tried it yet. Only session I had before was on 6.1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 21, 2020, 07:10:28 AM
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44 with 2 washers on the inside

Nice. Can we get some glamour shots. Like a photo of it sitting on the rail? Plz
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on May 21, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
Ohh fuck got em
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 21, 2020, 01:26:50 PM
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Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
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Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.

Proper advice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 21, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
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Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
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Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.
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Proper advice.

Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 21, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
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Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
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Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.
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Proper advice.
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Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK

For real. I wish they'd keep the current sizing, especially the 44s. I just emailed them to see if they'd give me more info.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 21, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
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Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
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Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.
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Proper advice.
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Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK
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For real. I wish they'd keep the current sizing, especially the 44s. I just emailed them to see if they'd give me more info.

I’m interested in that info, if possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 21, 2020, 06:06:02 PM
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 21, 2020, 06:28:44 PM
Mmmm, I mean those measurements are decent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 21, 2020, 07:11:55 PM
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Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
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Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.
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Proper advice.
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Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK

About the trucks being delayed? Nah that's just my guess, but I'd be willing to put money on it.

Or about 8.3" axle's no longer being an option? Somewhere in either this thread or the truck thread a dude was posting pics (not Instagram) of Joey T's setup with the new Ace prototypes. There was a list of the new sizing that followed every other truck brand at the moment, 33 = 8," 44 = 8.25," 55= 8.5," etc. That was supposedly right from Joey T.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 21, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.

That'd be sick. And also a ton of width options when you include the lows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 21, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)

44s I got to feel up back in October. Measuring in  with a 8.25" axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 21, 2020, 08:39:33 PM

44s I got to feel up back in October. Measuring in  with a 8.25" axle.

Oh shit, was that you? My bad man, should have remembered. Anyway, yeah those were the photos I was referring to.

Is it now confirmed they'll come stock with hollow kingpins? A few of Joey T's insta story shots have hollow kingpins (but solid axles).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on May 22, 2020, 01:00:13 AM
Finally ordered a set of 44s and 55s from a skateshop shop in Bangkok, Thailand that ships to my country Malaysia with a reasonably priced DHL express shipping cost. If i order from Ace website or CCS, the shipping cost more than the trucks itself. Locally only hv Indy and Thunders.. Max size is 149s..only 1 local shop has Indy 159 & 169 but very few pairs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2020, 06:49:15 AM
Thanks for all the updates. If I hear anything back from Ace worth adding I'll post it here.

For @FredGerwerFrankGall: do you know if it is true that they are changing the height?

I can weal with the different axle lengths but if they go up from their current height I am going to be seriously bummed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AM
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 22, 2020, 07:51:00 AM
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.

I'll be bummed if we lose the 52mm 8.38 truck from ACE.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2020, 08:22:57 AM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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I'll be bummed if we lose the 52mm 8.38 truck from ACE.

Same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 22, 2020, 09:40:16 AM
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2020, 09:55:02 AM
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.

Hell yeah, such a relief.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on May 22, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.

Hip hip hooray guys

Yeah I was hoping maybe it was in my head indys are too tall, not in my head, they are TALL

Maybe destructo hi 56mm height werent actually that bad, no, they were bad

Ace classic 52mm? Almost perfect for me, works a lot better than Indy and other 55mm tall trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 22, 2020, 09:58:26 AM
Take it  with a grain of salt. This was based on a discussion with shop owner. He's in the know but he doesn't work for Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2020, 10:18:18 AM
I've been able to spot on IG the new Ace's on certain "pilots" setups based on that new Ace logo on the baseplate and the hollow kingpin. Oski, Pastras, Remillard, and a few others. If that hanger is forged seems to be grinding fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AM
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.


Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2020, 12:36:29 PM
I’m really not educated, in general, or on the subject, but I’d rather buy things closer to myself. Environmental reasons, and jobs. And yes I’ll spend more, but skaters won’t. Businesses can’t do the sustainable thing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 12:39:53 PM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
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My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure

I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 22, 2020, 12:47:27 PM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
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My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
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I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.

Totally totally agree
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 22, 2020, 01:41:46 PM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
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My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
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I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.

Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on May 22, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
shoulda stayed quirky and added a 8.625 axle to the lineup

doesn’t really matter. I have a feeling that at some point in the future, I will probably buy whatever they come up with...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 22, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
shoulda stayed quirky and added a 8.625 axle to the lineup



I'd be happy with an 8.75" axle but the 8 5/8" would be ideal. It is a possibility.

If Ace were under DLX and manufactured at Ermico that would also be dreamy. I wonder if now Indy has bailed Ermico the politics might be a little better...? Seems the Ace dudes are pretty tight with a few Dlx riders and behind the scenes dudes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
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My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
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I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
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Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.

Nice, didn't think of that angle. The credibility and quality that would come with those ifs would make "fuck the rest" pretty laughable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on May 22, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 22, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.

100%
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nom De Plume on May 22, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
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Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.

Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.

Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
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Please post the reply up here.

I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing.  I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.
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Will do man.

What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.
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Currently on Mini Logo medium. They are 94, and would be a bit hard on 44s - but the extra leverage of the 66s makes  them doable. I was craving a bit softer today.  I have probably 8 other sets of bushings I could try in them, but am trying to avoid the madness and just skate them.
Ace got back to me about the bushing bulge. Sounds like they haven’t been contacted about it much. The guy seemed surprised by the pic and just told me to flip the bottom bushing then give it some time. Sure enough, as stated by folks in this thread, it stopped happening after 30 minutes of skating. Put in another 30 to be sure and so far, so good. Also, the stock bushings feel much better than the Bones mediums I tried.

I wouldn’t let this post or others discourage you from trying Ace if you’re curious. My others pairs have been hassle free and they are the only trucks I want to skate at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck.  Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
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Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
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My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
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I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
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Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.
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Nice, didn't think of that angle. The credibility and quality that would come with those ifs would make "fuck the rest" pretty laughable.

Indy was Ermico until a few years ago, correct? Their prices were in line with everyone else. They recently switched to China manufacturing, most likely cutting costs in half and the price is higher than venture/thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 22, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.

I'd rather see them under Dwindle; the fit and finish on Tensor ATGs is fucking top notch, lightyears beyond anything out of Ermico (Ventures being the top dog as far as quality out the door goes). Hell even the new indys look better finish-wise coming out of China.

Not that finish on baseplates means fuck all but just look at Thunder Cast plates vs. virtually anything else on the market).

I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 22, 2020, 05:33:24 PM

Indy was Ermico until a few years ago, correct? Their prices were in line with everyone else. They recently switched to China manufacturing, most likely cutting costs in half and the price is higher than venture/thunder.

Yup, early 2018 was the first time I had the "Made in China" tag on my 149's. I'm in Canada and the price for trucks here is high regardless so I didn't notice any price increase. After they left Ermico is when DLX started poaching riders real quick.

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I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.
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I'd rather see them under Dwindle; the fit and finish on Tensor ATGs is fucking top notch, lightyears beyond anything out of Ermico (Ventures being the top dog as far as quality out the door goes). Hell even the new indys look better finish-wise coming out of China.

Not that finish on baseplates means fuck all but just look at Thunder Cast plates vs. virtually anything else on the market).

I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.

If only Film had a proper distribution setup over here, they check a lot of boxes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B0udoir on May 22, 2020, 10:42:52 PM
I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.

This.
Aces 44s are successful because they sit in a sweet spot between Indys and Thunders. If Ace no longer wants to hold this niche, I really don't understand the purpose of this brand.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2020, 12:52:22 AM
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I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
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This.
Aces 44s are successful because they sit in a sweet spot between Indys and Thunders. If Ace no longer wants to hold this niche, I really don't understand the purpose of this brand.

Well, they'll still turn better than both brands you listed but I still agree.

There's always Theeve. Same height as ACE (no matter what they claim, they're 52, not 55) and damn near as good in bowls just not as carvey (but quicker than Indy, and more stable than ACE).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Maxi205 on May 27, 2020, 01:18:00 PM
Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 27, 2020, 02:04:11 PM
Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.

I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes.  I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II".  Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb.  Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason.  The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy.   I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful.  I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences.  Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on May 27, 2020, 05:10:08 PM
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Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.
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I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes.  I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II".  Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb.  Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason.  The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy.   I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful.  I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences.  Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.

I have both of these shapes sitting at home ready to be set up again. Loved them while I skated them but went back to 10+ boards for a while. Think I’m going to set up the 8.25 x 32 with 44s and maybe 56’s. What size wheels are you normally on?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on May 27, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
Where are these rumors about the new Ace revisions coming from?  I’d love to see a 8.65 or 8.75 axle but don’t want to get my hopes up too much
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 27, 2020, 05:46:33 PM
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Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.
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I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes.  I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II".  Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb.  Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason.  The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy.   I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful.  I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences.  Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.
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I have both of these shapes sitting at home ready to be set up again. Loved them while I skated them but went back to 10+ boards for a while. Think I’m going to set up the 8.25 x 32 with 44s and maybe 56’s. What size wheels are you normally on?

53 or 54mm radial slims are pretty much what I get at this point.  I know I could go bigger, theoretically, but I'm sloppy enough on those as is. That setup just feels so right, I don't want to change anything--at least not until my skating bums me out again and I am left with no choice but to blame it on the gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 27, 2020, 05:50:29 PM
Where are these rumors about the new Ace revisions coming from?  I’d love to see a 8.65 or 8.75 axle but don’t want to get my hopes up too much

(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)

Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.

They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.

The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.

These were 44s and they were 8.25".  55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".

I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.

There was also some screenshots of hollow kingpins on Joey's IG story
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 29, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
Anybody skate an FA/Hockey 8.5" with either 44s or 55s and have pics? I just ordered one for the firs time and want to get an idea of how it'll look with either.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shalominator on May 29, 2020, 01:05:39 PM
Anybody skate an FA/Hockey 8.5" with either 44s or 55s and have pics? I just ordered one for the firs time and want to get an idea of how it'll look with either.

I dont think the brand deck will matter. 44's on an 8.5 are perfect. The axles will only have a 1/16" Gap before the edge of the board. 55's would be like clown shoes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 29, 2020, 01:09:07 PM
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Anybody skate an FA/Hockey 8.5" with either 44s or 55s and have pics? I just ordered one for the firs time and want to get an idea of how it'll look with either.
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I dont think the brand deck will matter. 44's on an 8.5 are perfect. The axles will only have a 1/16" Gap before the edge of the board. 55's would be like clown shoes.

Yeah, I've had a bunch of 8.5" boards and I've ran them with both. FA/Hockey does a fuller shape than what I usually do so I want to see how they look.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 29, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
what is the pop feel for steep kicks with 44s? hated 55s with medium/mellow kicks, but have a feeling that they shine with steep kicks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 29, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
what is the pop feel for steep kicks with 44s? hated 55s with medium/mellow kicks, but have a feeling that they shine with steep kicks.

44s and steep kicks feel quite good, mentioned upthread awhile back about how it's become my preference recently to the point where the madness has abated.  (I go for DLX 8.25 x 32 and 8.4 x 32 shapes, "I" on the top ply.) 

Aces have an easy feeling pop on pretty much every board, but put them on a steep tail and they feel springy and floaty without feeling too "light," per se.  I found that you get a decent pop from pretty much anywhere on the tail with them, and that made something click with me so that my flatground game has become more consistent.  Now I'm feeling up to learning some meat and potatoes tricks I've never been able to get down (tre flips, big spin flips, fs flips especially) because the steep tail/44 combo responds pretty predictably to my foot placement and that makes the board feel easier to control. 

Those setups even seem less tiring to skate than the ones on Ventures, since sessions seem to go a little longer before my legs turn to jelly.  I can say for sure they feel lighter than some Indies with forged hollow plates and 149 standard hangers felt (frankentrucks, waiting on NHS warranty), even though they are quite a bit heavier.  Hard to describe, but the bottom line is it's super satisfying and I don't even want to ride anything else for the time being, or probably even ride Indies ever again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vintagebody on May 29, 2020, 02:39:32 PM
I ride DLX 99% of the time, and I dont find them steep.

Try a DSM board. I get 37 degrees of leverage with Thunders! Compared to 35 with DLX. Those 2 degrees is alot actually. DLX with Ace must be like... 33 degrees of leverage, which is... Very mellow.

Paul Schmitt (PS Stix) has said most pro's ride 35-37. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 29, 2020, 02:54:26 PM
Guess that's another way of answering the question.

EDIT: now retching while imagining buying a DSM board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 29, 2020, 09:51:42 PM
guess im biting on some 44s

havent had some truck madness in a bit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slayer666 on May 30, 2020, 04:17:34 AM
guess im biting on some 44s

havent had some truck madness in a bit
bite the dust my mf g
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UrbanSombrero on May 30, 2020, 11:23:18 AM
I'm curious to try a pair of ace 44s. My current and next 2 decks are 8.38 with 14.5 wheelbase. I thought 14.5 with Indy's was my Goldilocks zone but it feels like too much. I like it for about half the session by the end I'm exhausted and the next day I feel like I was in a fight. I'm curious about ace for the shorter wheelbase and the pop feel. My concern is with the turning. Im around 200 pounds and like my trucks stiff feeling with some turn. I usually put hard bushings in my Indy's. Am I going to hate the surfy feel of aces?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 30, 2020, 01:22:13 PM
I'm curious to try a pair of ace 44s. My current and next 2 decks are 8.38 with 14.5 wheelbase. I thought 14.5 with Indy's was my Goldilocks zone but it feels like too much. I like it for about half the session by the end I'm exhausted and the next day I feel like I was in a fight. I'm curious about ace for the shorter wheelbase and the pop feel. My concern is with the turning. Im around 200 pounds and like my trucks stiff feeling with some turn. I usually put hard bushings in my Indy's. Am I going to hate the surfy feel of aces?

FWIW I'm 6'3" and 190 and Aces feel more stable to me than Indy. I was going back and forth between 149s with Indy medium-hard bushings and stock 44s, and the latter are much less tippy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on May 30, 2020, 06:28:39 PM
After trying different bushinh combinations I came to the conclusion that stock bushings are the most stable on aces out of anyother bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on May 30, 2020, 07:04:41 PM
After trying different bushing combinations I came to the conclusion that stock bushings are the most stable on aces out of any other bushings


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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on May 30, 2020, 07:51:36 PM
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After trying different bushing combinations I came to the conclusion that stock bushings are the most stable on aces out of any other bushings

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hahaha should've listened earlier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on June 01, 2020, 07:38:04 AM
Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 01, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information


Damn. I think xen/BMC would be the folks to pm. I don’t remember any others who got em. I don’t remember there being a hi/lo offering, I’m just assuming, based off of nothing, that there was only highs in the mag plates. I for sure want some. I’m not hard on stuff, slightly lighter 44s and up would be hot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 01, 2020, 11:43:45 AM
Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
Never had the lows, but afaik it is only the kingpin and bushings that are shorter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
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Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
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Damn. I think xen/BMC would be the folks to pm. I don’t remember any others who got em. I don’t remember there being a hi/lo offering, I’m just assuming, based off of nothing, that there was only highs in the mag plates. I for sure want some. I’m not hard on stuff, slightly lighter 44s and up would be hot

Yes they made lo mag plates.

I still have my high mag plates, I should set them up (they're setup for krux pins).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on June 01, 2020, 01:28:07 PM
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Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
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Damn. I think xen/BMC would be the folks to pm. I don’t remember any others who got em. I don’t remember there being a hi/lo offering, I’m just assuming, based off of nothing, that there was only highs in the mag plates. I for sure want some. I’m not hard on stuff, slightly lighter 44s and up would be hot
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Yes they made lo mag plates.

I still have my high mag plates, I should set them up (they're setup for krux pins).
  hmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highs
From a photo ??     
The place selling them just has "ace magnesium baseplates" in their product description
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 01, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
hmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highs
From a photo ??     
The place selling them just has "ace magnesium baseplates" in their product description
This is Slap. Of course we can tell the difference from a photo - someone will probably count the threads on the kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on June 01, 2020, 02:09:29 PM
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hmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highs
From a photo ??     
The place selling them just has "ace magnesium baseplates" in their product description
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This is Slap. Of course we can tell the difference from a photo - someone will probably count the threads on the kingpin.

Haha ok let's see

(https://i.ibb.co/M5msXV3/20200602-070747.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6txd8W)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2020, 02:58:48 PM
No idea if they were ALL this way, but the initial run of the LOW mag plates had blk kingpins (just like the silver 03 and 02 trucks with regular plates) so you could tell at a glance which were lo or hi

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EyrPtaKus6-4ecJ4Hg_F2Md4CqUauiza-RkSeXwgw7lslFc6KQuyJdQvZDf6iPgTZHprHj03G7mR87K1m6zRpQmfQIpTJ6g-37eU8zVXzl0NofsaNqdWz6LK3JkFHKiy5cjSqY8RtKo)

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on June 01, 2020, 03:38:28 PM
Cheers Xen I'm after the highs..
so based off your reply im thinking these would be the high baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
Cheers Xen I'm after the highs..
so based off your reply im thinking these would be the high baseplates

Are you getting them from that NZ shop? ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 03, 2020, 05:54:21 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-dh9RJVte/

Colored baseplates >>>>>>>>>>> colored hangers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on June 03, 2020, 08:18:12 PM
Yeah those are looking really good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on June 04, 2020, 05:14:06 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-dh9RJVte/

Colored baseplates >>>>>>>>>>> colored hangers

Even though I just did my DIY paint removal on my shelby blue hangers. I might buy these as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on June 04, 2020, 06:53:54 AM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBA9s2WJ5Qm/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 04, 2020, 07:08:53 AM
I know the new stage is already delayed, but these new colors make me think they're going to push it back even further.

Been skating an 8.5" popsicle with 55s, no washers inside, and 52mm conical fulls. Just tried it with 44s and extra washers and they just looked so small.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 04, 2020, 08:12:47 AM
I know the new stage is already delayed, but these new colors make me think they're going to push it back even further.

Been skating an 8.5" popsicle with 55s, no washers inside, and 52mm conical fulls. Just tried it with 44s and extra washers and they just looked so small.

How it skate tho? I love the way a bigger board fees under feet, not psyched on losing what little I have in the flat ground trick department. Haven’t skated 55s, look sick, I’m sure they are real fun, I’ve been close several times to buying, and then just wuss out on the size weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on June 04, 2020, 08:45:56 AM
55's at 53mm high feels like riser territory as well being that wide
are they 407g compared to 169's which are 411g?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 04, 2020, 09:00:45 AM
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I know the new stage is already delayed, but these new colors make me think they're going to push it back even further.

Been skating an 8.5" popsicle with 55s, no washers inside, and 52mm conical fulls. Just tried it with 44s and extra washers and they just looked so small.
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How it skate tho? I love the way a bigger board fees under feet, not psyched on losing what little I have in the flat ground trick department. Haven’t skated 55s, look sick, I’m sure they are real fun, I’ve been close several times to buying, and then just wuss out on the size weight.

It skates great. That's a whole can of worms, though, because the board I have them on is pretty much the opposite of my usual...this one is a square alien that I pulled out of a box of skated stuff. The board is pretty razored and ugly so I'll post a pic when I set up the Hockey 8.5" that I have on deck.

55's at 53mm high feels like riser territory as well being that wide
are they 407g compared to 169's which are 411g?

Not sure about the weight of either. But I will say that the 55s at stock tightness with the 52mm conical fulls, I haven't gotten any significant wheelbite. For how low they are, Aces are way harder to wheelbite, especially compared to a taller Indy 149. I ordered some loophole 56s because I am trying to get used to a larger wheel and might try some risers or harder bushing with those.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 04, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
I'm not much for colored trucks but their old version where they kept the red color in the lineup was sick. It was more of a dark cherry color as opposed to those baseplates which is like a brighter tart cherry/fire hydrant/curb. I'd rock that color if they brought them back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: StepDude on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
Just ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on June 04, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
I'm not much for colored trucks but their old version where they kept the red color in the lineup was sick. It was more of a dark cherry color as opposed to those baseplates which is like a brighter tart cherry/fire hydrant/curb. I'd rock that color if they brought them back.

Totally agree about the older red trucks. Much prettier. Fire engine red feels so aggressive imo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 04, 2020, 02:13:16 PM
Just ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX

100% The best you can have in ACE trucks, provided they are the new dual duro combo. Just skate them for a bit to let them break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 04, 2020, 05:06:02 PM
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Just ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX
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100% The best you can have in ACE trucks, provided they are the new dual duro combo. Just skate them for a bit to let them break in.
im not having good luck with these bushings tho
is there any way to fix this at home without buying shit?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on June 04, 2020, 05:16:48 PM
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Just ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX
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100% The best you can have in ACE trucks, provided they are the new dual duro combo. Just skate them for a bit to let them break in.
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im not having good luck with these bushings tho
is there any way to fix this at home without buying shit?
your axles are driving me nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 04, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 04, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.
ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vintagebody on June 04, 2020, 10:35:39 PM
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Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.
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ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shit

The axle nuts are a softer material than the axle. So you will always be able to get the wheel off, cause the nut will just strip, if the axle threads are too damaged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 05, 2020, 04:58:59 AM
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Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.
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ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shit
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The axle nuts are a softer material than the axle. So you will always be able to get the wheel off, cause the nut will just strip, if the axle threads are too damaged.
but i do a lot of flip tricks and my axle nuts get super deformed so i just keep it flush with the axle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2020, 05:13:26 AM
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Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.
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ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shit
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The axle nuts are a softer material than the axle. So you will always be able to get the wheel off, cause the nut will just strip, if the axle threads are too damaged.
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but i do a lot of flip tricks and my axle nuts get super deformed so i just keep it flush with the axle

That’s a new one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on June 05, 2020, 05:15:17 AM
Westgate does it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2020, 05:18:07 AM
Westgate does it

Does what? Let’s his wheel bang back forth a 1/2”? If true I’ll start doing it IMMEDIATELY, cuz he’s the shit. And I’ll apologize. Don’t believe it tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 05, 2020, 07:24:25 AM
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Westgate does it
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Does what? Let’s his wheel bang back forth a 1/2”? If true I’ll start doing it IMMEDIATELY, cuz he’s the shit. And I’ll apologize. Don’t believe it tho
it makes sense if you think about it cause when the nut loses its shape the further out you got the less hassle it is to get it out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on June 05, 2020, 09:07:43 AM
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Westgate does it
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Does what? Let’s his wheel bang back forth a 1/2”? If true I’ll start doing it IMMEDIATELY, cuz he’s the shit. And I’ll apologize. Don’t believe it tho
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it makes sense if you think about it cause when the nut loses its shape the further out you got the less hassle it is to get it out

Why don't you just use more spacers? That picture is giving me mad anxiety.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on June 05, 2020, 11:18:17 AM
Yee he said it on his 9club episode

50-51mm, venture lows, flush axles
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2020, 12:25:39 PM
Yee he said it on his 9club episode

50-51mm, venture lows, flush axles

Flush axles is one thing. Having the wheel Flopping about is something else.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vintagebody on June 05, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Having the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 05, 2020, 02:05:04 PM
Having the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim
I had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.
I think this shouldnt be happening and I'm sure its the pivot cup cause i tried other bushings and they tilt also
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Skart on June 05, 2020, 11:04:48 PM
Bruh watch the episode, he even talks about the loose wheels being something he likes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 14, 2020, 11:55:19 PM
Anyone running 55s with 8.5-8.7 popsicles? Been into bigger boards lately so was thinking giving Ace chance, but im kinda afraid of the 9" axles sticking out too much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on June 15, 2020, 05:17:39 AM
Ran 55s on 8.5 for most of 2019, I really loved it. Looking straight down at the board I couldn't see anything, maybe a milimeter of axle.  I always run trucks bigger than my board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2020, 11:25:44 AM
I've a lot of play in my wheels but not half a fucking inch; I also keep the axle nuts flush (primos). Speed rings/washers on the inside people!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on June 15, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Anyone running 55s with 8.5-8.7 popsicles? Been into bigger boards lately so was thinking giving Ace chance, but im kinda afraid of the 9" axles sticking out too much.
I used 55s on 8.62 and 8.75, didn’t stick out (not enough to bother me at least)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on June 15, 2020, 11:14:14 PM
Anyone running 55s with 8.5-8.7 popsicles? Been into bigger boards lately so was thinking giving Ace chance, but im kinda afraid of the 9" axles sticking out too much.

I had 55s on an 8.6 and it was fantastic. I recently popped them off because I stepped down to an 8.38 with a shorter wheelbase but wasn’t feeling the Thunder 149s I had on it. Before I pulled the trigger on some 44s, I put the 55s on just to see how they changed the feel of the pop and they’re perfect. I think this deck has steeper kicks so the shorter wheelbase didn’t achieve what I wanted with the Thunders.

So I’m hotdogging too much on an 8.38 but the 55s still feel good enough to convince me I need some 44s for this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 16, 2020, 04:40:23 AM
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Having the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim
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I had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.
I think this shouldnt be happening and I'm sure its the pivot cup cause i tried other bushings and they tilt also

Isn't your kingpin loose ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 16, 2020, 09:55:01 AM
Thanks for answers! Gonna try soon when Aces are restocked in my country, are you guys running 8.5 setups with slimmer wheels since the truck is so wide?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 16, 2020, 11:19:46 AM
Thanks for answers! Gonna try soon when Aces are restocked in my country, are you guys running 8.5 setups with slimmer wheels since the truck is so wide?

I did my 55s with 51mm tablets and put both washers on the outside. I ended up going back to 44s, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/gosukW9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f8qOJHl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on June 16, 2020, 12:53:37 PM
Thanks for answers! Gonna try soon when Aces are restocked in my country, are you guys running 8.5 setups with slimmer wheels since the truck is so wide?
On my 8.6 w/ 55s, I was riding Speedlab Slappyhour 54s which are 33mm wide, 21mm contact patch, basically between a Spit conical and conical full. Just one washer on each side. Not particularly slim and they are fantastic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 16, 2020, 01:05:49 PM
I'm curious to try a pair of ace 44s. My current and next 2 decks are 8.38 with 14.5 wheelbase. I thought 14.5 with Indy's was my Goldilocks zone but it feels like too much. I like it for about half the session by the end I'm exhausted and the next day I feel like I was in a fight. I'm curious about ace for the shorter wheelbase and the pop feel. My concern is with the turning. Im around 200 pounds and like my trucks stiff feeling with some turn. I usually put hard bushings in my Indy's. Am I going to hate the surfy feel of aces?

I would just take the top bushings over from the indys. Especially if the are igrp black conical bottoms.

I did a full swap to ace from well broken in igrp med orange conical. I had them on 139s for about a year np.
But in the Ace they wouldn't rebound to center if the board shot out. Was no good on the hills.

The hanger height at the yoke is different I think. I think it's even a different shape too. Oval Indy Ace round? (Maybe

Anyway I eventually was riding them with bones tops and stock barrels that was the shit. Made center no matter what. That's definitely because of the barrel.

Plz report back if you try the Indy top / ace bottom combo? I'd like to know how it works out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sammyz on June 16, 2020, 06:27:04 PM
i've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?

so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?

I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 16, 2020, 07:25:56 PM
At 200lbs I find the Ace stock/aftermakets to work perfect this time around. In the past, they tipped over the washers and tore but not these. These were really soft at first but no problems, then they firmed up over time as they've broken in and gotten dirty. I just use the top Bones washer so I can max out the turn, and also because the stock cup washer dug into the hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 16, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
i've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?

so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?

I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.

That’s been my experience with Aces. Mellow out steep kicks nicely as long as there aren’t many fingers of flat between the bolts and where the kick starts to angle up. On mellower kicks and/or more fingers of flat trucks that spread the wheelbase further (Venture, Thunder) feel like they add more pop for me, especially if the trucks are taller.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 16, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
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i've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?

so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?

I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.
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That’s been my experience with Aces. Mellow out steep kicks nicely as long as there aren’t many fingers of flat between the bolts and where the kick starts to angle up. On mellower kicks and/or more fingers of flat trucks that spread the wheelbase further (Venture, Thunder) feel like they add more pop for me, especially if the trucks are taller.

I agree with this take. I just rode a steep board with some ace and it went great. Be nice to know what’s steep/no fingers of flat, and what’s mellow with flat (I like to go back n forth from venture and ace).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on June 16, 2020, 09:33:31 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dtrJjCc/FAB8306-E-37-B5-42-C4-87-C8-C042989-BCD2-E.jpg)
After 15 years primarily on Thunders I started seriously skating these today. At first they were really loose and pinched perfectly on crooked grinds. I loved it. By the end of the day they seemed to break in/tighten up a bit. Maybe I’ll loosen them up a bit tomorrow and start messing with them to get them just right. Being able to feel the baseplate sliding on nose/tailslides is pretty weird too. It wasn’t as bad of an experience that I thought skating a new truck brand would be, but it still felt like I was skating someone else’s board all day
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sammyz on June 16, 2020, 11:20:14 PM
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i've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?

so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?

I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.
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That’s been my experience with Aces. Mellow out steep kicks nicely as long as there aren’t many fingers of flat between the bolts and where the kick starts to angle up. On mellower kicks and/or more fingers of flat trucks that spread the wheelbase further (Venture, Thunder) feel like they add more pop for me, especially if the trucks are taller.
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I agree with this take. I just rode a steep board with some ace and it went great. Be nice to know what’s steep/no fingers of flat, and what’s mellow with flat (I like to go back n forth from venture and ace).

hmm this is good news...i could start skating Creature VX decks again in that case...especially now they are making wide decks with short WB
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 17, 2020, 07:38:20 AM
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Having the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim
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I had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.
I think this shouldnt be happening and I'm sure its the pivot cup cause i tried other bushings and they tilt also
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Isn't your kingpin loose ?
no it isn't
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on June 19, 2020, 06:13:37 PM
My beloved 44’s are bent, this wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t just get a new local park built... meaning its like skating on an ice rink. Running 55mm Conical Fulls, but the bent axles don’t let the full contact patch make contact with the ground, so my wheels are feeling super slippery. Worth just dealing with it until the wheels cone a bit, or time for a new pair? I’ve had them a while, but still plenty of life left in them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goldeneggs on June 19, 2020, 08:47:37 PM
My beloved 44’s are bent, this wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t just get a new local park built... meaning its like skating on an ice rink. Running 55mm Conical Fulls, but the bent axles don’t let the full contact patch make contact with the ground, so my wheels are feeling super slippery. Worth just dealing with it until the wheels cone a bit, or time for a new pair? I’ve had them a while, but still plenty of life left in them.

Bend them out with a long pipe, cheater bar. Then hit that steel with a torch, then dunk it in cool water.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 20, 2020, 12:50:04 PM
My beloved 44’s are bent, this wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t just get a new local park built... meaning its like skating on an ice rink. Running 55mm Conical Fulls, but the bent axles don’t let the full contact patch make contact with the ground, so my wheels are feeling super slippery. Worth just dealing with it until the wheels cone a bit, or time for a new pair? I’ve had them a while, but still plenty of life left in them.

I would go to the tennis courts. Do a ton of figure 8s until the wheel adapts. It will only take a few minutes with f4 conical. I take flat spots out of wheels this way.

I'm trying to stock up on venture and ace shit this summer so maybe get a new set to keep on ice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on June 20, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aNCPP5o.png)
I took this screenshot from Ronnie ig story a while back. are those top bushings bones?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on June 20, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
https://www.instagram.com (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=19zl3uwitkold) Mo
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=jqsv48sf50yj (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=jqsv48sf50yj)

55
8.75” doubles Ltd (what’s the wheelbase??)
Bones 56m wise cuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Studio Ghibli on June 21, 2020, 12:38:46 AM
Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sampo64700 on June 21, 2020, 12:48:59 AM
Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?
Yep, same here. I was told it gets better after some break-in period. Didn't have the patience for it so I used indy bottom bushings with Ace top bushings. Worked like a charm for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 21, 2020, 05:51:06 AM
https://www.instagram.com (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=19zl3uwitkold) Mo
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=jqsv48sf50yj (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBrXb-sJYKB/?igshid=jqsv48sf50yj)

55
8.75” doubles Ltd (what’s the wheelbase??)
Bones 56m wise cuts

14.75" WB. Pretty sure it's the same shape as the Theories 8.75".

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Hi,

I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.

Did anyone have the same issue?
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Yep, same here. I was told it gets better after some break-in period. Didn't have the patience for it so I used indy bottom bushings with Ace top bushings. Worked like a charm for me.

If you don't want to wait, rather than switching the bushings, I'd recommend just using different washers (take the ones off your Indys). They're wider and won't do that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Stigmata on June 21, 2020, 08:46:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aNCPP5o.png)
I took this screenshot from Ronnie ig story a while back. are those top bushings bones?

To me, they look like the Indy black hard bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on June 21, 2020, 01:05:46 PM
or they could just be dirty stock bushings lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 21, 2020, 01:08:01 PM
Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
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Post by: Deekay on June 21, 2020, 01:32:59 PM
Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?

How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.

While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on June 21, 2020, 02:16:42 PM
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Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
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How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.
I think it was the stage before this current one actually.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on June 22, 2020, 04:15:34 AM
or they could just be dirty stock bushings lol

Yeah both of my sets of Ace bushings look pretty much like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 22, 2020, 04:37:49 AM
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Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
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How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.

While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...

Mine took about 5 hours of skating to be broken in while purposefully carving more than usual. It's worth the wait i've never had a set break or crack on me like I have with thunder/indy/bones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on June 22, 2020, 05:40:46 AM
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Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
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How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.

While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...
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Mine took about 5 hours of skating to be broken in while purposefully carving more than usual. It's worth the wait i've never had a set break or crack on me like I have with thunder/indy/bones

Okay cool, thank you. I guess I've just gotten spoiled by Bones and being used to the turn on my 44's where you can carve by just tilting your foot a little while pushing. I almost fell off my board multiple times yesterday by just pushing on these new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on June 22, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
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Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
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How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.

While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...
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Mine took about 5 hours of skating to be broken in while purposefully carving more than usual. It's worth the wait i've never had a set break or crack on me like I have with thunder/indy/bones
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Okay cool, thank you. I guess I've just gotten spoiled by Bones and being used to the turn on my 44's where you can carve by just tilting your foot a little while pushing. I almost fell off my board multiple times yesterday by just pushing on these new ones.
My Ace were Nyjah-tight for a week when I got them. Couldn't understand the hype, then they broke in.
All stock everything, replaced Pivot cups with new Ace ones after a few months for like 4 bucks.
After putting in new cups, I counted how many turns till I got back to the my original loose-ness and it was just about 4.5-5 turns from when the nut locks onto the kingpin, so a little lower than flush.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smellsdead on June 29, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
i feel like im not locking in tail and noseslides on aces like i do with indys. anyone feel that or am i just blowing it?

55s with 1/8" riser- dont think the riser has any affect but what do i know?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on June 29, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
After a couple weeks skating them I’ll say they’re pretty great. They’re pretty loose after bathe couple days of them feeling super tight. I used to take my bottom washers out of trucks to get crooked grinds to pinch right, but I didn’t need to with these. Tre flips are a little wonky and I’ve had to learn a new technique to pop them. I’ll probably try another set after these are done
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 29, 2020, 10:42:30 PM
After a couple weeks skating them I’ll say they’re pretty great. They’re pretty loose after bathe couple days of them feeling super tight. I used to take my bottom washers out of trucks to get crooked grinds to pinch right, but I didn’t need to with these. Tre flips are a little wonky and I’ve had to learn a new technique to pop them. I’ll probably try another set after these are done

Thanks for the write up, was wondering how these were working. I’m back on lows. Just need to find some softer and/or wider wheels. So weird that there was a time where 53/54 wheels and lows were not uncommon. People’s trucks musta been really tight.
How’s the wheelbite?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on June 29, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
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After a couple weeks skating them I’ll say they’re pretty great. They’re pretty loose after bathe couple days of them feeling super tight. I used to take my bottom washers out of trucks to get crooked grinds to pinch right, but I didn’t need to with these. Tre flips are a little wonky and I’ve had to learn a new technique to pop them. I’ll probably try another set after these are done
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Thanks for the write up, was wondering how these were working. I’m back on lows. Just need to find some softer and/or wider wheels. So weird that there was a time where 53/54 wheels and lows were not uncommon. People’s trucks musta been really tight.
How’s the wheelbite?
It’s not so bad that I notice it affecting my skating. You can see the wheelbite in these couple pictures of my back truck
(https://i.ibb.co/ZBHq8XS/3-DCAE0-F8-E988-4992-8-EEE-C733-FDF592-AE.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pvvKfsr/6-C81-B528-12-D2-4-E9-D-998-D-340-C8-EC19-DA7.jpg)

The two things that I did notice: the aluminum seems like a softer alloy than all of the Thunders I’ve skated for what seems like forever. They didn’t want to grind at first, but now they seem to be wearing in fairly quick. The second thing I noticed is how loud the pivot cup squeaks are. That’s not something I’ve ever noticed or given much thought to before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 30, 2020, 06:05:48 AM
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or they could just be dirty stock bushings lol
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Yeah both of my sets of Ace bushings look pretty much like that.

Probably just dirty. He likes his trucks stupid loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 01, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
I figured out that the reason why my trucks were crooked was due to the stock bottom bushing, not the pivot cup as I initially thought
tried bones and they rebound  so I think im gonna stay with that until I go crazy again
(https://i.imgur.com/lX0DNYO.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on July 01, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
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or they could just be dirty stock bushings lol
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Yeah both of my sets of Ace bushings look pretty much like that.
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Probably just dirty. He likes his trucks stupid loose.
I've seen his trucks wobble in video parts but He only removes the bottom washee and theres kingpin sticking out, he maybe sands em down?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KushBush on July 03, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
After trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.

Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on July 03, 2020, 11:27:41 AM
https://instagram.com/stories/thecornerstoreskateshop/2344786060201217759?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=1mq3g1x79pslh

Ace hangers curved. Spoken on before with the uneven wheels touching ground
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: padded_shorts on July 03, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
After trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.

Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.
I got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.
https://3rdlair.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-classic-polished-trucks?variant=31523313090631
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KushBush on July 03, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
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After trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.

Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.
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I got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.
https://3rdlair.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-classic-polished-trucks?variant=31523313090631

Thanks man! But I forgot to specify I am in Canada so the shipping might be a little too high.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
https://instagram.com/stories/thecornerstoreskateshop/2344786060201217759?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=1mq3g1x79pslh

Ace hangers curved. Spoken on before with the uneven wheels touching ground

Damn, they still don't have their shit together. Now, that shit WILL grind out if it isn't the axle (somehow) causing that shit.

Also, Dogtown production slowing down Quasi? That sucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Quique on July 04, 2020, 01:19:19 AM
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After trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.

Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.
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I got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.
https://3rdlair.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-classic-polished-trucks?variant=31523313090631
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Thanks man! But I forgot to specify I am in Canada so the shipping might be a little too high.

https://ninetimesskateshop.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-44-black

These ones are in Canada
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on July 04, 2020, 03:04:50 AM
what’s an easy way to check if my axles are bent? my bearings keep acting weird on my 44s, but seem fine on my ATGs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 04, 2020, 04:04:51 AM
what’s an easy way to check if my axles are bent? my bearings keep acting weird on my 44s, but seem fine on my ATGs

Take your trucks off the board, and take one wheel off of each truck.

Put a free wheel on a flat table, then put the wheel connected to the truck on top of the free wheel, so they are stacked.

Spin the truck, and see how much the axle wobbles.

A racing longboard designer  showed me this technique, as downhill trucks need really, really straight axles for those high speeds.

The longboard guy told me that with most regular trucks as the aluminum cools around the axle, it warps a bit. It’s unavoidable, so most trucks will have a bit of wobble. But watch out for big wobbles.

It’s a good little trick to try before buying trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slayer666 on July 04, 2020, 07:14:47 AM
ace trucks this Ace trucks that Wont you shut up about it already
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GoldenGateHeights on July 04, 2020, 08:49:05 AM
Thinking about trying a pair of Ace's for my cruiser I'm setting up.
Anyone's thoughts on 44's or 55's for an 8.88 shaped deck? (Anti Hero Brown Bomber)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 04, 2020, 09:20:48 AM
44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fat Tire on July 04, 2020, 10:50:25 AM
Thinking about trying a pair of Ace's for my cruiser I'm setting up.
Anyone's thoughts on 44's or 55's for an 8.88 shaped deck? (Anti Hero Brown Bomber)

If it's wider than 8.5 where the trucks sit then use 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on July 04, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
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what’s an easy way to check if my axles are bent? my bearings keep acting weird on my 44s, but seem fine on my ATGs
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Take your trucks off the board, and take one wheel off of each truck.

Put a free wheel on a flat table, then put the wheel connected to the truck on top of the free wheel, so they are stacked.

Spin the truck, and see how much the axle wobbles.

A racing longboard designer  showed me this technique, as downhill trucks need really, really straight axles for those high speeds.

The longboard guy told me that with most regular trucks as the aluminum cools around the axle, it warps a bit. It’s unavoidable, so most trucks will have a bit of wobble. But watch out for big wobbles.

It’s a good little trick to try before buying trucks.

that’s really neat, appreciate the advice bro

edit: yup... they bent, front one mainly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on July 04, 2020, 11:33:12 PM
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Thinking about trying a pair of Ace's for my cruiser I'm setting up.
Anyone's thoughts on 44's or 55's for an 8.88 shaped deck? (Anti Hero Brown Bomber)
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If it's wider than 8.5 where the trucks sit then use 55s
Agreed, skating an 8.5 on 44's has a little bit of the magic carpet feeling, so I'd imagine bigger would be worse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 05, 2020, 06:58:37 AM
44s on the brown bomber are great, especially if you're using a wider wheel. A couple people have posted that combo in the setup thread if you go back a bit.

That board has some pretty heavy taper over the trucks and 55s hotrod pretty heavily.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on July 05, 2020, 07:22:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BT3hx3z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2uViyQ4.jpg)

That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)

Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 05, 2020, 08:01:24 AM
I remember you posting that and thinking it looked really good. Here is mine set up with 44s and 56mm keyframes.

(https://i.imgur.com/3rqRPtH.jpg)

So I guess the moral of the story is either works.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 05, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
Another BB but with 151s. I much preferred it with 44s. 55s were way too big for my taste due to the way the board tapers.

(https://i.imgur.com/AfQFWHf.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 05, 2020, 10:27:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BT3hx3z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2uViyQ4.jpg)

That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)

Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition


Not trying to @you, specifically

I’ve noticed that the pic shot from above is fairly misleading, often.
 The bb is 8.8 at its widest point, I think, and narrower still at the trucks.
Wheelbite marks are usually a little more helpful, to me, or better yet, measurements at the bolts.

I’ve set up 8s on 149s and the pic doesn’t look that wild. And it still rolls. And it can be fun for sure.
I’m not sure what the advantages are tho. Yes wider hanger space for more grindz. Sure. But if you are missing the ledge with a truck over 8” wide then.....
Wider turns slower.

Anyways, carry on
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on July 05, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/BT3hx3z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2uViyQ4.jpg)

That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)

Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition
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Not trying to @you, specifically

I’ve noticed that the pic shot from above is fairly misleading, often.
 The bb is 8.8 at its widest point, I think, and narrower still at the trucks.
Wheelbite marks are usually a little more helpful, to me, or better yet, measurements at the bolts.

I’ve set up 8s on 149s and the pic doesn’t look that wild. And it still rolls. And it can be fun for sure.
I’m not sure what the advantages are tho. Yes wider hanger space for more grindz. Sure. But if you are missing the ledge with a truck over 8” wide then.....
Wider turns slower.

Anyways, carry on

FWIW here’s some used pics and a tape over the truck holes..... ( not taking it personally!)

Wider is slower but 14.25 web and aces balances that.

(https://i.imgur.com/EgBUtBF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MTzrXQ1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mrrWFTG.jpg)

You can’t see the wheels stood straight over. You can “just” see the nuts. When skating you can see both toe side wheels a tiny bit. It’s all preference anyway isn’t it. I skate a lot of transition so a bit of stability helps and I grew up skating 10” wide boards in the eighties so i found it weirder adjusting to 8” and 139’s back in the late 90’s than I have to 55’s since I started skating again

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 05, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/BT3hx3z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2uViyQ4.jpg)

That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)

Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition
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Not trying to @you, specifically

I’ve noticed that the pic shot from above is fairly misleading, often.
 The bb is 8.8 at its widest point, I think, and narrower still at the trucks.
Wheelbite marks are usually a little more helpful, to me, or better yet, measurements at the bolts.

I’ve set up 8s on 149s and the pic doesn’t look that wild. And it still rolls. And it can be fun for sure.
I’m not sure what the advantages are tho. Yes wider hanger space for more grindz. Sure. But if you are missing the ledge with a truck over 8” wide then.....
Wider turns slower.

Anyways, carry on
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FWIW here’s some used pics and a tape over the truck holes..... ( not taking it personally!)

Wider is slower but 14.25 web and aces balances that.

(https://i.imgur.com/EgBUtBF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MTzrXQ1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mrrWFTG.jpg)

You can’t see the wheels stood straight over. You can “just” see the nuts. When skating you can see both toe side wheels a tiny bit. It’s all preference anyway isn’t it. I skate a lot of transition so a bit of stability helps and I grew up skating 10” wide boards in the eighties so i found it weirder adjusting to 8” and 139’s back in the late 90’s than I have to 55’s since I started skating again

True true
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on July 06, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
In  your opinion Which truck is more stable Indy or Ace.
Curious about this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KushBush on July 07, 2020, 09:13:26 AM
In  your opinion Which truck is more stable Indy or Ace.
Curious about this.

For me personally, I find aces more stable than indys. For example, I had my Indys at around the same looseness as my aces but, when I would roll up to say, a ledge I would feel unstable. Aces are great for me because the turn is amazing and it’s still stable when riding up to obstacles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on July 07, 2020, 10:07:39 AM
Out of the box I’d say aces are more stable of the 2 but both broken in I think cast Indys are more stable personally.

Forged hollow 159s was always too squirrely and loose for me, no matter the tightness or bushings, couldn’t get comfy like with regular cast Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 07, 2020, 10:09:02 AM
I find Ace get more stable with speed. its strange but where indy's might wobble, Ace feel more secure... might be perceived not really.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 11:37:54 AM
ACE 44s are def more stable than indy 149
I'm wondering if 44s are more stable than a bigger indy truck say a 159
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VYz2HO3.jpg)
Oski's Board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 07, 2020, 09:00:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VYz2HO3.jpg)
Oski's Board


So is that a hollow kingpin model? What’s he normally ride, 44s? Wonder if he did this hisself.....

To your question above: I think of 159s as good to great trucks, and fairly stable. The wider the truck, the slower the turn, and a more stable feeling, broadstrokes. Some folks on here rate ace more stable than Indy. I love the ace turn, think it’s the best turn, wouldn’t call ace more stable tho. Not sure if any of this conveys what I’m attempting to say
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 07, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/VYz2HO3.jpg)
Oski's Board
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So is that a hollow kingpin model? What’s he normally ride, 44s? Wonder if he did this hisself.....

To your question above: I think of 159s as good to great trucks, and fairly stable. The wider the truck, the slower the turn, and a more stable feeling, broadstrokes. Some folks on here rate ace more stable than Indy. I love the ace turn, think it’s the best turn, wouldn’t call ace more stable tho. Not sure if any of this conveys what I’m attempting to say
I asked him a while back how he rode his trucks. This is the new Ace model he told me not to post it but he has posted photos showing the Hollow kingpin so I guess no harm done :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2020, 09:05:12 AM
I can't wait for those new Ace's. I am down to axle on my third set of 44s. Then, I have some Stage 8 Indy 146s which should last me until Ace get this shit going...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 08, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
I can't wait for those new Ace's. I am down to axle on my third set of 44s. Then, I have some Stage 8 Indy 146s which should last me until Ace get this shit going...
An 8.75 ace truck with hollow kingpin would be saucy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2020, 07:35:56 PM
Indeed it would but I will just be happy with 8.5" and 8.75" axle options...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
I can't wait for those new Ace's. I am down to axle on my third set of 44s. Then, I have some Stage 8 Indy 146s which should last me until Ace get this shit going...

These look so shiny!

Really hoping we'll get hollow axles as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 10, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Cool to see the brown bombers paired with Ace’s. I’m on the same with 44’s and 60mm wheels it’s perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 12, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dak42FZ.png)
As a follow up of the ronnie pics I posted I while back I found this one, seems like a lot of kingpin sticking out and a conical bottom bushings, I'm intrigued as shit, if anyone has any ideas please share. A my indys type series on the ace channel would be very nice to pass the quarantine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juanjo789 on July 12, 2020, 04:39:19 PM
Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
I think its a bones top and ace stock top on the bottom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on July 13, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
 :o
Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
Is there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometry
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Leonarfd on July 14, 2020, 10:17:25 AM
Any of you ride big vert ramps(4m ++) with Ace trucks? Indy works cranked down to not get speed wobbles, guessing its the same with Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 14, 2020, 04:05:13 PM
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Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
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Is there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometry

Honestly I don't think it matters all that much?  My broken in Bones are the same height as broken in ACE bottoms, if you use a flat/regs bottom washer, you're fine.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAsSlang7fx/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on July 14, 2020, 04:13:20 PM
:o
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Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
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Is there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometry

Keep the washer. Bones are only .02" taller.  That's less than the difference of 1/2 turn of the kingpin nut.

Or run the Bones Washer on the bottom.

Ace (white out of a 66) : .53" tall
Bones (black hard) : .55"

Mini Logo (Soft Green) : .53"
Thunder (red 90a aftermarket) : .55"
Indy (blue 92a conical) : .545"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 14, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
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Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.
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Is there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometry
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Keep the washer. Bones are only .02" taller.  That's less than the difference of 1/2 turn of the kingpin nut.

Or run the Bones Washer on the bottom.


Bones Soft Left | ACE Bottoms (newer rev) right
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/T4Md54H_bJiF-QK682qlHq9BX_f4uywEmYaQXMTIy969yQONrc5is85pK4nL5AZiWDNPV2N-YJ7wmBwvsKpXzaCWHRJ0YCZHO4T1He3WkE94myaYr1UzF1VswsFxBhvBkJz_phH84tk)

Just run the bones washer on the bottom or use a small top washer under the bones and you'll be fine.

Or, be like Brad and fuck the bottom washer and run it on top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on July 15, 2020, 07:55:41 AM
Bones bushings using the flat Bones washers for top and bottom is the way to go when you use Bones in Ace’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on July 15, 2020, 10:01:24 AM
Currently struggling with my Ventures, coming from Indys some time ago. So I scored a pair of Ace 44s for cheap and wondering if there is any difference in the older and newer "versions" of them or a way to tell which ones they are. The shop couldnt tell me how old they were and they are just raw trucks.
It's gonna be some two weeks before I can set the 44s up, since I'm giving my 5.6s some more time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 15, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
Bones bushings using the flat Bones washers for top and bottom is the way to go when you use Bones in Ace’s

Agreed. Same for Theeves - both trucks have seemingly longer than average Kingpins.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on July 19, 2020, 09:16:42 PM
Just took the bottom washers off after hearing it from a few people. Soooo much surfier and deeper turns, without compromising stability. Thank god for wheel wells though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toyo980 on July 20, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
Just took the bottom washers off after hearing it from a few people. Soooo much surfier and deeper turns, without compromising stability. Thank god for wheel wells though.
Is there difference between removing the top or the bottom washer?  I skated for a while without the top washer and the stock bushings with the  bottom washer but it started feeling kinda mushy, once I swapped the top bushing for a bones med it feels normal again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on July 20, 2020, 06:58:29 PM
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Just took the bottom washers off after hearing it from a few people. Soooo much surfier and deeper turns, without compromising stability. Thank god for wheel wells though.
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Is there difference between removing the top or the bottom washer?  I skated for a while without the top washer and the stock bushings with the  bottom washer but it started feeling kinda mushy, once I swapped the top bushing for a bones med it feels normal again

I tried no top, but lost all of my stability (which was pretty fun to be honest). Without bottoms, it let me get a deeper turn but I could still control it. Though it’ll likely shorten the life of my bottom bushings, I have plenty spare though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on August 02, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Anyone with any experiences with Ace lows? Been skating smaller board lately and would love to have lower truck but never heard anything about them. Any good compared to Venture lows or Thunder forged?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2020, 05:42:16 PM
Anyone with any experiences with Ace lows? Been skating smaller board lately and would love to have lower truck but never heard anything about them. Any good compared to Venture lows or Thunder forged?

I skated them ages ago (with Bones hard bushings of all things) and they were great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on August 02, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
I’ve been skating lows for a couple months now. They’re good. I did very little tinkering with them to get them right. I’m on the heavier side, skate my trucks loose, and do mostly grinds and flip tricks. My front pivot cup seems to be virtually non-existent and 360 flips are weird now. Oddly enough I relearned saw 360 flips, so it might not be the trucks changing the wheelbase throwing me off. I bet frontside 50’s on pool coping and carving the shallow end of a backyard pool would be great with these, but due to the coronavirus I’m not going to skateparks or driving to meet up with friends in Ventura to skate pools ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on August 02, 2020, 11:25:32 PM
Thanks for answers, so hard to find any info about them. Gonna try em out!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on August 04, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 04, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
Bones bushings using the flat Bones washers for top and bottom is the way to go when you use Bones in Ace’s

A random guy I skated with in a parking lot claimed to be pals with the Ace people and said that the new version was going to have a more durable aluminum. This was before they were available, when Ace were in short supply, but now they're back, so if that's the case, they certainly haven't been advertising it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 04, 2020, 05:56:07 PM
It been discussed but some of us have already felt up the prototypes with the new metal and other tweaks. Hopefully those are still on the way at some point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 05, 2020, 04:09:38 AM
I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)

Does this happen to mediums too or soft only? Bones softs always break for me, and I weigh 150 pounds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 05, 2020, 10:51:36 PM
It been discussed but some of us have already felt up the prototypes with the new metal and other tweaks. Hopefully those are still on the way at some point.

I was told resizing wouldn’t happen until next year. I’m pretty hyped on the 8.5s actually, but still trying grab some 44s before then.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on August 05, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2020, 01:04:51 AM
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I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
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Does this happen to mediums too or soft only? Bones softs always break for me, and I weigh 150 pounds.

I've had this happen (not like this tho) with Kirho softs (with the metal inserts 73a?) they were shredded in a less than an hour.

Old bushings? That bottom looks suspect already with the plastic not looking bonded with the urethane
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 07, 2020, 04:23:43 AM
Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.

The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
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Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
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The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.

Correct summation of the two maximum polar opposite ends of the spectrum; I'd put indys smack in the middle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on August 07, 2020, 09:05:02 AM
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Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
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The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
I've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on August 07, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
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Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
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The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
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I've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.

I probably wrote it wrong. I meant if the deck itself has a longer nose and tail it's nice. (Because of the creep you mentioned)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on August 07, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
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Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.

What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
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The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
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I've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.
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I probably wrote it wrong. I meant if the deck itself has a longer nose and tail it's nice. (Because of the creep you mentioned)
Ah gotcha! I read that as ventures give you a bit more room on nose and tail. All makes sense now thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 07, 2020, 12:58:43 PM
I may have asked before, but anyone remember what the upcoming size revisions will be? I think @Frank and Fred posted it under his old handle but now I can't remember.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 07, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
I may have asked before, but anyone remember what the upcoming size revisions will be? I think @Frank and Fred posted it under his old handle but now I can't remember.

Just going to standard incremental .25" sizing, far as I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on August 07, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
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I may have asked before, but anyone remember what the upcoming size revisions will be? I think @Frank and Fred posted it under his old handle but now I can't remember.
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Just going to standard incremental .25" sizing, far as I know.
i thought its was going to be
8 = 33
8.3 = 44
8.6 = 55
9 = 66
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 07, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 07, 2020, 01:35:26 PM
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Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
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Thanks, thats rad. I do wish they were still going to do a straight 9", been very in love with my 55s recently after swapping out a bad pivot cup.

Edit: for whatever reason, the idea of an 8.6 as per @pointandclick seems really cool to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2020, 06:36:23 AM
Are they going to change all the hanger molds, or is it only an axle length modification ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Benchpress on August 12, 2020, 02:29:15 AM
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on August 12, 2020, 02:54:33 AM
This thread is a goddamn disease - I visited it once and I now have 4 pairs of Ace trucks on the way to my residence. 2 x 44s, 1 x 03 and 1 x 33.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on August 12, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
man!  i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again!  What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on August 12, 2020, 08:42:12 AM
maybe the rubber is past due..and plus weathering factor..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 12, 2020, 08:54:36 AM
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I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
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man!  i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again!  What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?

I've been running some mini logo mediums for a couple of days and they feel nice and didn't take long to break in. Bottom is the same height as Ace, the top is probably like 1mm off. The softs (84a) might be worth a shot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 12, 2020, 10:48:12 AM
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?

Plenty of people run 44s on 8.5s with extra speed rings on the inside. I've done it and it feels great, not a magic carpet by any stretch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleCooper on August 12, 2020, 10:51:58 AM
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Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
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Plenty of people run 44s on 8.5s with extra speed rings on the inside. I've done it and it feels great, not a magic carpet by any stretch.

big true. I'm on 44's with indy white bushings and 3 washers on the inside of the axle. Highly recommend.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on August 12, 2020, 01:21:01 PM
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I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces.  Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
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man!  i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again!  What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?

Ace currently makes the best bushings possibly ever. Try their 'low' bushings so you can get looser.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on August 12, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
so 8.35 44s will be extinct after the new run?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on August 12, 2020, 06:54:37 PM
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 12, 2020, 07:00:55 PM
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.

Haven't tried it but what about the flat top washer (ala Bones) that people use to get their Ventures deeper?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iamok on August 14, 2020, 03:44:29 PM
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?

On indy 149 axel is 216mm, on ace 44 its 213mm. You could use 3 speed rings on the inside to get the exact same feel. Or wider wheels. Maybe both.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on August 14, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.

ace high bushings on the bottom, ace low bushings on top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 15, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?

Just heard Ace might have a struggle getting trucks made until October or so. No word on the new versions. If you want to try some Ace, I'd say don't wait for the new models and snap them up up now as they are running dry out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 15, 2020, 08:20:16 PM
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Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
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Just heard Ace might have a struggle getting trucks made until October or so. No word on the new versions. If you want to try some Ace, I'd say don't wait for the new models and snap them up up now as they are running dry out there.

bummer!

afaik no new versions until at least next year
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 16, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
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Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
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Just heard Ace might have a struggle getting trucks made until October or so. No word on the new versions. If you want to try some Ace, I'd say don't wait for the new models and snap them up up now as they are running dry out there.

Thanks for the heads up. I am back in my hometown for the week, and hearing this was the excuse I needed to visit my old local and grab a backup set of 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WHYAMIDOINGTHIS on August 20, 2020, 03:12:18 PM
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall  off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rupertspupkin on August 20, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall  off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?
Ride your skateboard
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 20, 2020, 07:27:34 PM
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall  off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?

have u tried screwing the nut upside down?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on August 21, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
So, I’m a bit confused and was wondering if I could get some advice.  I have Ace 66s and they are (if you tighten the nuts flush with the tip of the axle) exactly 9 3/8s wide.  Is there any chance someone could give me, in a fraction rather than 8 point something, the size of Ace 55s?

I know this sounds nit picky but I’m all up in my head about truck sizing and debating going down to the 55s.  Sorry for being so specific but many thanks for the help. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 21, 2020, 06:16:23 PM
So, I’m a bit confused and was wondering if I could get some advice.  I have Ace 66s and they are (if you tighten the nuts flush with the tip of the axle) exactly 9 3/8s wide.  Is there any chance someone could give me, in a fraction rather than 8 point something, the size of Ace 55s?

I know this sounds nit picky but I’m all up in my head about truck sizing and debating going down to the 55s.  Sorry for being so specific but many thanks for the help.

First off Rad username. Second, 55s axles are 9" on the money.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hot take on August 21, 2020, 06:46:50 PM
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening  the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on August 21, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
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any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
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I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening  the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting loose

i went back to using both washers after trying no bottom, and then no top washer.  i was having to tighten my trucks several times in a session it was a drag.  just gonna deal with it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 21, 2020, 07:03:52 PM
I just put some old broken in bushings into a new set of 44s, waxed up the pivot cup and they feel pretty damn loose with the nut flush with the kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hot take on August 21, 2020, 07:56:31 PM
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any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
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I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening  the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting loose
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i went back to using both washers after trying no bottom, and then no top washer.  i was having to tighten my trucks several times in a session it was a drag.  just gonna deal with it
I forgot to mention I use both washers. Every time I picked up my board I’d tighten them. Didn’t exactly annoy me but looking back it’s pretty burdensome yet totally worth it when you break them in.

What size are you riding?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on August 21, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
i'm riding 44s.  getting back to riding really loose and liking it, but the back truck wobble is fucking with my 3 flips
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on August 21, 2020, 08:33:27 PM
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So, I’m a bit confused and was wondering if I could get some advice.  I have Ace 66s and they are (if you tighten the nuts flush with the tip of the axle) exactly 9 3/8s wide.  Is there any chance someone could give me, in a fraction rather than 8 point something, the size of Ace 55s?

I know this sounds nit picky but I’m all up in my head about truck sizing and debating going down to the 55s.  Sorry for being so specific but many thanks for the help.
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First off Rad username. Second, 55s axles are 9" on the money.

Ayy, thanks so much dude!  You’re the man.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mattdlx on August 21, 2020, 11:14:25 PM
Soeaking of Ace 55s, a kid/dude came to the shop today with 55s on an 8” Create board. The logic was “52 wheels, 55 trucks - they should match, yeah?”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 22, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
Soeaking of Ace 55s, a kid/dude came to the shop today with 55s on an 8” Create board. The logic was “52 wheels, 55 trucks - they should match, yeah?”

Pics next time please
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Solid bowlcut on August 22, 2020, 12:46:22 PM
Soeaking of Ace 55s, a kid/dude came to the shop today with 55s on an 8” Create board. The logic was “52 wheels, 55 trucks - they should match, yeah?”
Best thing i heard today
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mattdlx on August 22, 2020, 10:07:20 PM
I debated asking if he got it from Ruben at the Create store.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 24, 2020, 06:03:58 AM
This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on August 24, 2020, 06:28:12 AM
i think, putting wax shavings/lube in the pivot cup would extend the life of it a bit. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on August 24, 2020, 06:41:49 AM
I pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 24, 2020, 08:40:05 AM
The bend is mostly an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on August 24, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
The bend is mostly an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger.
I just did a T squared measurement it's very faint when looking at it that it makes no difference but I just was observing for posterity sake.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on August 27, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Not sure if it's been said earlier in the thread, but the next revision is confirmed to be coming out spring 2021, super stoked. Rumored to have forged baseplates and hangars, and new sizing too. Should be fucking awesome.


This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?

Riptides will fix this, I couldn't imagine spending that much on pivot cups at first, but I did and I don't regret it one bit

I pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?

The OG Ace's actually bent, pretty badly actually, I just got a barely used pair from a buddy and bent them within a week. I doubt Zumiez had ones that old though, just saying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 27, 2020, 01:05:02 PM
Not sure if it's been said earlier in the thread, but the next revision is confirmed to be coming out spring 2021, super stoked. Rumored to have forged baseplates and hangars, and new sizing too. Should be fucking awesome.


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This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
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Riptides will fix this, I couldn't imagine spending that much on pivot cups at first, but I did and I don't regret it one bit

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I pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?
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The OG Ace's actually bent, pretty badly actually, I just got a barely used pair from a buddy and bent them within a week. I doubt Zumiez had ones that old though, just saying.

Word, I'll spring for them. It really isn't that much if the resolve the problem. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on August 27, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
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Not sure if it's been said earlier in the thread, but the next revision is confirmed to be coming out spring 2021, super stoked. Rumored to have forged baseplates and hangars, and new sizing too. Should be fucking awesome.


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This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
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Riptides will fix this, I couldn't imagine spending that much on pivot cups at first, but I did and I don't regret it one bit

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I pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?
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The OG Ace's actually bent, pretty badly actually, I just got a barely used pair from a buddy and bent them within a week. I doubt Zumiez had ones that old though, just saying.
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Word, I'll spring for them. It really isn't that much if the resolve the problem. Thanks!

Just gunna throw it out that I hope you have better luck than I did with riptide, blew out the front pivot cup about a month in on my 55's. Also do alot of slappies so it might just be a curse we gotta live with
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on August 27, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
This forged hanger business keeps getting repeated--sounds interesting, but seriously?  Has any truck company ever done an all-forged truck before this?  How would a forged hanger even grind compared to a cast hanger? Just sounds kind of weird, especially coming from a company not exactly known for its progressive designs. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on August 27, 2020, 02:52:39 PM
This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
I have the 03 lows and I’ve completely blown out two pivot cups in my front truck in the 2.5 months I’ve been skating them. I like having my front truck super loose so it’s not really bothering me yet. The pivot hole is starting to oblong so I assume that it’ll start effecting how they turn sometime down the road. A couple of my buddies have the same issue with their 44’s. My back truck is starting to show some axle so the plan is to skate them until they break then switch to 33’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on August 27, 2020, 09:04:00 PM
This forged hanger business keeps getting repeated--sounds interesting, but seriously?  Has any truck company ever done an all-forged truck before this?  How would a forged hanger even grind compared to a cast hanger? Just sounds kind of weird, especially coming from a company not exactly known for its progressive designs.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108560.msg3219053#msg3219053

Only time I've seen a forged hanger. And in this instance the axles are pinned in place with set-screws. They could also be threaded into the hanger, dunno, my Portuguese is lacking. Regardless, seems like a piss poor idea for a skate truck design. The other option would be to forge weld around/drift the axle through the hanger...also seems a bit insane. And expensive.

It might just be a misunderstanding that kept getting repeated. The few pics of the redesigned trucks that have popped up, especially the ones on Joey T. and Oski's setups, look like normal Ace trucks with hollow pins. But who knows, maybe I'll eat my shoe on this one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on August 27, 2020, 09:39:46 PM
Maybe I'll get the copper 44s, only color acceptable for a truck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 28, 2020, 05:24:12 AM
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This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:

I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...

Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
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I have the 03 lows and I’ve completely blown out two pivot cups in my front truck in the 2.5 months I’ve been skating them. I like having my front truck super loose so it’s not really bothering me yet. The pivot hole is starting to oblong so I assume that it’ll start effecting how they turn sometime down the road. A couple of my buddies have the same issue with their 44’s. My back truck is starting to show some axle so the plan is to skate them until they break then switch to 33’s

Wild. I have a set of 44s that are super grooved and don't have the pivot cup issue so I wasn't sure if it was a common thing or whatever. I don't necessarily mind how they turn with it, but I don't want it to break the pivot (or as you mentioned) oblong the pivot hole.

Just gunna throw it out that I hope you have better luck than I did with riptide, blew out the front pivot cup about a month in on my 55's. Also do alot of slappies so it might just be a curse we gotta live with

Could be. If that's how it is, that's how it is. I'm glad my 44s are holding up at least.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 28, 2020, 05:28:22 AM
Previous stages had that pivot/pivot cup problem but my current set of 44’s has been great, no need to touch them after breaking ’em in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on August 28, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Does anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups fit in Ace plates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on August 28, 2020, 09:06:29 AM
Does anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups fit in Ace plates?
They do. They're identical. I swap them out regularly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on August 28, 2020, 10:25:28 AM
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Does anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups fit in Ace plates?
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They do. They're identical. I swap them out regularly.

Sick, thanks my dude.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mantracker on August 28, 2020, 12:57:07 PM
I've read in here a few times about the pivot cups or bushings squeaking and I'd like to narrow it down. I have a pair of 44 that are new but just now broken in but still making that squeaking sound on turns and rocking back and forth.

Is that for sure the pivot cup?

Do i need soap or wax shavings in there? What actually works the best?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CAaegir on August 28, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
Speed cream or a similar lube in the pivot cup solves that. Yeah it happens every now and then, super easy fix
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on August 29, 2020, 09:23:28 AM
I've read in here a few times about the pivot cups or bushings squeaking and I'd like to narrow it down. I have a pair of 44 that are new but just now broken in but still making that squeaking sound on turns and rocking back and forth.

Is that for sure the pivot cup?

Do i need soap or wax shavings in there? What actually works the best?

From my experience auto grease lasts the longest. Wax or bearing lube only lasts a few days for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on August 29, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
I've read in here a few times about the pivot cups or bushings squeaking and I'd like to narrow it down. I have a pair of 44 that are new but just now broken in but still making that squeaking sound on turns and rocking back and forth.

Is that for sure the pivot cup?

Do i need soap or wax shavings in there? What actually works the best?

Silicone grease from a tube, pinch of that to pivot keeps the squeak away for months.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on August 29, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Easiest fix for pivot cups is a crayon. I color the crap out of each cup and even the top perimeter and the squeak goes away for a good month or so.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mantracker on August 29, 2020, 02:43:45 PM
Thanks for all the advice everyone! Time to get my lube on
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 29, 2020, 02:58:12 PM
I wax the pivot itself on brand new trucks but that's just to get them feeling loose. The squeak will likely return once you've worn through the wax. I personally like noisy trucks so its more to speed up the break in process.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: os89 on August 29, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
Just got some riptide pivot cups for my aces, haven’t skated them yet, but they don’t seem completely flush in there like the old ones? Like a tiny bit still sticks out ever so much on the inner side.

Probably not a big deal, just wondering if anyone has seen the same thing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on August 29, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
Just got some riptide pivot cups for my aces, haven’t skated them yet, but they don’t seem completely flush in there like the old ones? Like a tiny bit still sticks out ever so much on the inner side.

Probably not a big deal, just wondering if anyone has seen the same thing?

Perfectly fine man! Happened with every set I’ve had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: os89 on August 30, 2020, 03:49:00 AM
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Just got some riptide pivot cups for my aces, haven’t skated them yet, but they don’t seem completely flush in there like the old ones? Like a tiny bit still sticks out ever so much on the inner side.

Probably not a big deal, just wondering if anyone has seen the same thing?
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Perfectly fine man! Happened with every set I’ve had.

Haha cool, thanks man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reptilian on August 31, 2020, 08:47:06 PM
Many people using 55s with 8.625 decks? I'm riding an 8.8 Passport with my 55s now and I love it but wouldn't mind going a bit smaller if they don't hot rod too much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on August 31, 2020, 09:25:14 PM
Many people using 55s with 8.625 decks? I'm riding an 8.8 Passport with my 55s now and I love it but wouldn't mind going a bit smaller if they don't hot rod too much.

Did it on a Quasi 8.62 with no problems at all, but I'm also riding Venture 6.1s on a 8.38 right now so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Death before magic carpet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on August 31, 2020, 10:17:44 PM
Many people using 55s with 8.625 decks? I'm riding an 8.8 Passport with my 55s now and I love it but wouldn't mind going a bit smaller if they don't hot rod too much.

I'm skating 55s on 8.625 currently and have skated 55s on an 8.5 many times as well. Love it honestly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Reptilian on September 01, 2020, 04:26:18 AM
Thanks I'll give it a crack then for sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on September 08, 2020, 03:50:18 AM
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any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose?  i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session.  gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
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I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening  the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting loose
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i went back to using both washers after trying no bottom, and then no top washer.  i was having to tighten my trucks several times in a session it was a drag.  just gonna deal with it

There's something wrong with Ace stock nuts, changing them worked out for me.

Stocked pair of 44 for possible size change, current axle width is perfect for 8.25 and 8.38 decks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on September 10, 2020, 05:19:44 PM
this is barely an update but ace's online store is now only displaying polished and matte black trucks, and they've been updated from "sold out" to "coming soon"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on September 12, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Qf4t1ESl.jpg)
These 44s came in like this, weird...
Ofc I got the fat chick with tight clothes syndrome like you can see.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 12, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
Loosen them. They don't take long to break in and then they toughen up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 12, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 12, 2020, 02:07:44 PM
Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!

My 44’s

(https://i.imgur.com/d6e8BRq.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cjt on September 12, 2020, 02:10:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)

The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 12, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)

The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.

Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cjt on September 13, 2020, 06:25:43 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)

The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.
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Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.

alright I'll try that!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 13, 2020, 02:09:06 PM
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Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!
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My 44’s

(https://i.imgur.com/d6e8BRq.jpg)


NOICE!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 13, 2020, 02:18:39 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)

The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.
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Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.
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alright I'll try that!

Definitely do what feels right, but Ace bushings are notorious for feeling great at first, hardening after a session or two, then gradually becoming uniquely amazing over the next several hours after that. I speak as a fellow loosener who had to tighten again once the break in period was over on my 55s (first pair of Aces) but let them be on subsequent pairs. But like I say, it's all preference in the end.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cjt on September 13, 2020, 06:50:20 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)

The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.
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Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.
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alright I'll try that!
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Definitely do what feels right, but Ace bushings are notorious for feeling great at first, hardening after a session or two, then gradually becoming uniquely amazing over the next several hours after that. I speak as a fellow loosener who had to tighten again once the break in period was over on my 55s (first pair of Aces) but let them be on subsequent pairs. But like I say, it's all preference in the end.

Yeah I got to the session and could barely turn even with the nut almost falling off! I ended up taking the top washer off for the session, but I'm still down with the idea of riding it stock tightness until it finally breaks in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on September 13, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
Would 55s work well on a zip zagger? Or would 44s be better?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chappers on September 14, 2020, 01:48:53 AM
Would 55s work well on a zip zagger? Or would 44s be better?

55’s would hotrod massively. 44’s would be fine but depending on wheel width you might get some hotrodding still
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on September 14, 2020, 08:45:30 AM
Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!

Peek-a-boo!
(https://i.imgur.com/hP9EaH4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 26, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Sup y'all, happy Saturday. I was just sitting here contemplating for a bit, and I am very hung up on the fact that I vastly prefer my 44s to my 55s even though 55s kind of make more sense in most applications.

For some background, I'm 6'3", size 11, and mostly skate curbs and mellow transitions. As far as boards go, I like an 8.5"-8.75" popsicle or a 9"-9.25" shaped.

I have a set of 44s and 55s that are both about the same age, but the 44s just feel significantly better to me...less bite, lock into grinds better, better pop, better turn. Why do they feel so much better? I want to like the 55s more because they're wider and fit the boards I like a little better, but every single time I skate the 44s it's just a consistently better session. The only reason I ever go back is because I get the madness and think, "these are too small, they look like toy trucks" (I never think this when I see them on other people's boards) and the cycle repeats. I kinda felt the same way with Indys, that 149s always felt way better than 159s to me.

Anyway, any insight some of you might have would be vastly appreciated, even if it is just stating the obvious (that I am overthinking this).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on September 26, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
Sup y'all, happy Saturday. I was just sitting here contemplating for a bit, and I am very hung up on the fact that I vastly prefer my 44s to my 55s even though 55s kind of make more sense in most applications.

For some background, I'm 6'3", size 11, and mostly skate curbs and mellow transitions. As far as boards go, I like an 8.5"-8.75" popsicle or a 9"-9.25" shaped.

I have a set of 44s and 55s that are both about the same age, but the 44s just feel significantly better to me...less bite, lock into grinds better, better pop, better turn. Why do they feel so much better? I want to like the 55s more because they're wider and fit the boards I like a little better, but every single time I skate the 44s it's just a consistently better session. The only reason I ever go back is because I get the madness and think, "these are too small, they look like toy trucks" (I never think this when I see them on other people's boards) and the cycle repeats. I kinda felt the same way with Indys, that 149s always felt way better than 159s to me.

Anyway, any insight some of you might have would be vastly appreciated, even if it is just stating the obvious (that I am overthinking this).

I may be mistaken, but it might have to do with different variations - I know that Ace was going to retool the 44's a little bit at some point (based on the Ben Degros review vid from end of 2019 I think) so depending on when you bought each pair you might have gotten trucks that while seemingly similar in every way except size, actually have some slight variation. Again, not positive if this is the case.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 26, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
I rotate between 44s and 55s also and feel the same. I always put it down to 55s being so much wider. You are going to get more wheel bite, feel more stable, heavier truck.... Ace 8.75" will be the solution.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 26, 2020, 04:21:58 PM
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Sup y'all, happy Saturday. I was just sitting here contemplating for a bit, and I am very hung up on the fact that I vastly prefer my 44s to my 55s even though 55s kind of make more sense in most applications.

For some background, I'm 6'3", size 11, and mostly skate curbs and mellow transitions. As far as boards go, I like an 8.5"-8.75" popsicle or a 9"-9.25" shaped.

I have a set of 44s and 55s that are both about the same age, but the 44s just feel significantly better to me...less bite, lock into grinds better, better pop, better turn. Why do they feel so much better? I want to like the 55s more because they're wider and fit the boards I like a little better, but every single time I skate the 44s it's just a consistently better session. The only reason I ever go back is because I get the madness and think, "these are too small, they look like toy trucks" (I never think this when I see them on other people's boards) and the cycle repeats. I kinda felt the same way with Indys, that 149s always felt way better than 159s to me.

Anyway, any insight some of you might have would be vastly appreciated, even if it is just stating the obvious (that I am overthinking this).
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I may be mistaken, but it might have to do with different variations - I know that Ace was going to retool the 44's a little bit at some point (based on the Ben Degros review vid from end of 2019 I think) so depending on when you bought each pair you might have gotten trucks that while seemingly similar in every way except size, actually have some slight variation. Again, not positive if this is the case.

Yeah, both are the same stage so it isn't that. Never tried any of the older Aces but from when I hear they weren't as nice.

I rotate between 44s and 55s also and feel the same. I always put it down to 55s being so much wider. You are going to get more wheelbase, feel more stable, heavier truck.... Ace 8.75" will be the solution.

We have talked about this before (kind of) but I hope you are right. The 9" is a hell of a jump from 8.35", though I will say that the 44 is so versatile for its size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I take care of my curbs. on September 26, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
I could be wrong but I wanted to throw it out just in case.  Maybe you just like the smaller size because it’s less axle to balance on?  I skated 215s for a long time and got used to the width but when I sized down to 9 inch trucks it made grinds feel more stable because I was able to be a bit more precise with how I aimed my grinds.  Maybe you’re feeling that same thing?  Or maybe similarly to Ishod and others, you prefer the slight magic carpet ride?  I’ve heard people who do the tucked under wheels claim they can flip the board much better with a smaller truck/wider board. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 26, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
I could be wrong but I wanted to throw it out just in case.  Maybe you just like the smaller size because it’s less axle to balance on?  I skated 215s for a long time and got used to the width but when I sized down to 9 inch trucks it made grinds feel more stable because I was able to be a bit more precise with how I aimed my grinds.  Maybe you’re feeling that same thing?  Or maybe similarly to Ishod and others, you prefer the slight magic carpet ride?  I’ve heard people who do the tucked under wheels claim they can flip the board much better with a smaller truck/wider board.

Could be part of it. I am always able to stick longer on the 44s. Don't flip my board much but definitely (and strongly) prefer magic carpet to hotrod when possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 28, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
When fitting boards with 55's those all have 14.5"+ wheelbases and a longer WB equals a slower turn. Along with the trucks being wider themselves it's a combo that just doesn't keep the turn quite as sharp as some 44's or 33's. That being said, the extra grinding surface of some 55's feels amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on September 28, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
When fitting boards with 55's those all have 14.5"+ wheelbases and a longer WB equals a slower turn. Along with the trucks being wider themselves it's a combo that just doesn't keep the turn quite as sharp as some 44's or 33's. That being said, the extra grinding surface of some 55's feels amazing.

I think this is why I am so into my 9" polar boards w/ 14.5 WB and Ace 55s. Just feels so damn good to turn.


Just coming back to skating pretty recently I had my natural affinity/loyalty to indy, but I needed to go up a truck size quickly. I was riding 8.75" and 159s but really wanted to get up to a 9" and everyone was screaming ACE at me. So glad I tried them. I'm convert for sure. Just riding stock. Im a big boy so to anyone else it would feel like Im riding tight, but theyre perfect to me for carving tight pockets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on September 28, 2020, 08:09:21 PM
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When fitting boards with 55's those all have 14.5"+ wheelbases and a longer WB equals a slower turn. Along with the trucks being wider themselves it's a combo that just doesn't keep the turn quite as sharp as some 44's or 33's. That being said, the extra grinding surface of some 55's feels amazing.
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I think this is why I am so into my 9" polar boards w/ 14.5 WB and Ace 55s. Just feels so damn good to turn.


Just coming back to skating pretty recently I had my natural affinity/loyalty to indy, but I needed to go up a truck size quickly. I was riding 8.75" and 159s but really wanted to get up to a 9" and everyone was screaming ACE at me. So glad I tried them. I'm convert for sure. Just riding stock. Im a big boy so to anyone else it would feel like Im riding tight, but theyre perfect to me for carving tight pockets.
you’re making it hard to resist grabbing some 55’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on September 29, 2020, 05:02:03 AM
you’re making it hard to resist grabbing some 55’s


haha sorry dude! But they are really, really good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on September 29, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 29, 2020, 09:15:47 AM
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.

Shin actually rides for Ace if that answers your question
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2020, 10:04:22 AM
Ace fits the wheel wells nicely. I'm on his surf shape right now and next up his the skate rabbit. 44s are my choice. However, I have some Stage 8 146s I think I'll put on the skate rabbit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: popwar4 on September 29, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.

i run 55's w/ 60mm OJ's on the 8.75 shin board - its rad the wheel wells work well. i have risers and skate super loose trucks, never get wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 04, 2020, 10:17:59 PM
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF7Qn0elJ2W/?igshid=10fnthdjb0btv

Not sure If they were “made” for them but yeah, Shin rides for Ace so that’s probably a good indicator.
These 56mm have risers so you could get away with no wheel wells. Either way though, they look dope!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 05, 2020, 06:24:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/v7JnVgWl.jpg)

Via Brad McClain’s IG story
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 05, 2020, 06:26:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/v7JnVgWl.jpg)

Via Brad McClain’s IG story

Hell yeah. Those are the new versions, by the looks of it. 55s measuring in at 8.5"! Praise Jah. Now for the 8.75"?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on October 05, 2020, 09:32:01 PM
soon as those come out they're going on my board for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on October 05, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
The new Aces are supposed to have hollow kingpins right? Those ones from Brad's IG look like standard kingpins.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 12, 2020, 11:23:38 PM
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on October 13, 2020, 04:56:12 AM
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
bobby worrest used to skate 149s with an 8.18
44s with an 8 would be about the same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 13, 2020, 06:28:14 AM
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.

I was running an AH 8.06 with 44s a while back and it was great. Since the ends of the hanger taper, you can just put both washers on the outside and it'll push the wheels in to make them more flush.

(https://i.imgur.com/R48Eiri.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on October 13, 2020, 11:05:09 AM
Hey I am looking for some 55s in colors. Any of them will do, but prefer Bronze or Blue. If anyone knows of an online shop that has some, HMU.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on October 13, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 13, 2020, 05:53:29 PM
The new Aces are supposed to have hollow kingpins right? Those ones from Brad's IG look like standard kingpins.

Indeed. But the ones on his IG have the new logo on the baseplate, so maybe they dropped the hollow pin on the remodel?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on October 13, 2020, 07:35:59 PM
Spring 2021 like not until April/may?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 13, 2020, 07:52:03 PM
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Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
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Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.


33’s are the shiiiiiiiiit. I really liked 33s and 8.25, when I was skating larger setups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on October 13, 2020, 09:44:02 PM
Hey I am looking for some 55s in colors. Any of them will do, but prefer Bronze or Blue. If anyone knows of an online shop that has some, HMU.
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Ace/p/Ace-55-9-axleTrucks-Classic-Shelby-Blue-set-of-2-x49700630.htm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on October 14, 2020, 02:32:20 AM
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Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
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Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.
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33’s are the shiiiiiiiiit. I really liked 33s and 8.25, when I was skating larger setups.
That good to hear!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 14, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
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Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
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bobby worrest used to skate 149s with an 8.18
44s with an 8 would be about the same

sick thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 14, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
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Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
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I was running an AH 8.06 with 44s a while back and it was great. Since the ends of the hanger taper, you can just put both washers on the outside and it'll push the wheels in to make them more flush.

(https://i.imgur.com/R48Eiri.jpg)

thanks for the pic! looks manageable to me!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 14, 2020, 10:05:00 AM
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Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
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Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.

Thanks! i'm pretty broad and stocky for my size (5'5") and need a skinny-ish board with wide wheelbase to feel stable. Was riding the new Austyn Habitat deck and that was almost perfect at 8.25x32x14.5 with Ace 44s. Gonna try out a 8.0 Toy Machine to see if that strikes a good balance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on October 14, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
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Hey I am looking for some 55s in colors. Any of them will do, but prefer Bronze or Blue. If anyone knows of an online shop that has some, HMU.
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http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Ace/p/Ace-55-9-axleTrucks-Classic-Shelby-Blue-set-of-2-x49700630.htm

You came up big! I picked up a set of blues and a tee from them. Thank you!

They had black as well for anyone interested.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on October 20, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
Polished and Matte Black are back in stock:

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on October 20, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
Just threw 55’s on today
Thanks @FrozenIndustries
200lbs so they feel loose for sure, trying not to tinker and just break in stock bushings. Top fell out past washer a bit but loosened em a quarter to half turn and kept riding to break em in and was fine after. Got 55mm OG classics on and may throw risers on while they break in more
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on October 20, 2020, 07:22:27 PM
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on October 20, 2020, 07:30:06 PM
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
There is a noticeable difference, idk if you'll like it. I didn't, I tried 3 times ace and they just don't work for me. This year I skated like 3 different brands and I returned to Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 21, 2020, 06:15:08 AM
Just threw 55’s on today
Thanks @FrozenIndustries
200lbs so they feel loose for sure, trying not to tinker and just break in stock bushings. Top fell out past washer a bit but loosened em a quarter to half turn and kept riding to break em in and was fine after. Got 55mm OG classics on and may throw risers on while they break in more

Let them break in but once you've ridden them for a bit there is nothing wrong with tightening them like 1/4 turn. I like them at stock with 44s but with the 55s I end up having them a little tighter to account for the width to height ratio or whatever. I'm glad they made it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on October 21, 2020, 08:34:13 AM
Can anyone confirm whether or not ACE are made under Paris trucks? Thought I heard this a while ago and now can't seem to find anyone who can confirm. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 21, 2020, 09:50:51 AM
Can anyone confirm whether or not ACE are made under Paris trucks? Thought I heard this a while ago and now can't seem to find anyone who can confirm. Thanks!
I can 100% NOT confirm that for you at this time.
I CAN confirm that I have never heard THAT, however.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 22102020 on October 22, 2020, 02:50:43 AM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on October 22, 2020, 04:15:02 AM
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
recently went from indy 144 to ACE 44 (on a 8.25")
I would say there is no huge difference
Got used to the new trucks pretty quickly

Imo, Aces are a bit more stable overall (grinds / manuals). A friend told me that crooked grinds are a bit different. I experienced it but i can't say if the huge crooked groove i had on my Indys isn't responsible for that feeling.

Overall i feel better on Aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on October 22, 2020, 04:58:13 AM
I keep reading about how stable Aces are compared to Indy. I just got a pair of lightly used 33s, I love the quick turn but they seem to be very tippy when setting up for fliptricks. I only tightened the nuts a 1/4 turn from stock, because thats what I read people do on here(if they even adjust them at all) When the bushing break in do they become more stable?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 22, 2020, 05:18:45 AM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on October 22, 2020, 05:43:02 AM
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Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
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just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.

Will do, thanks man!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 22102020 on October 22, 2020, 06:01:57 AM
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Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.


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just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.

Do I have to loosen them every time they pop out (to put them back under the washer) or just ride them till they get squashed out and broken in? It was literally any tight turn or jolt would send the bushings seeping out over the washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on October 22, 2020, 06:16:32 AM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
Same situation with a set of 55's i set up this week. I loosened the nut about a 1/4 turn or so and it seemed to resolve that issue. Looks like you have some kingpin thread left to loosen. Others with more experience may have a different answer but this seemed to work for me until the bushings break in a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 22, 2020, 06:22:19 AM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)

Yes, generally it will. If it bothers you a lot, take the washers from you Indys and put them in there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on October 22, 2020, 06:25:51 AM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)

Apparently you haven’t read enough. This seems to be extremely common, and tends to happen less as the bushings harden
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheAvidBleeder on October 22, 2020, 06:31:01 AM
Happened to me with my last set of 44’s and 55’s.  I loosened them up a bit until it quit happening then gradually started tightening them down to my liking as the bushings broke in.   My old sets never did this, but both new sets are perfectly fine now and turn great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 22, 2020, 07:48:45 AM
It's the Ace washers, swap them for Indy's if you have them lying around. I use Ace stock with a Krux bottom washer and no top washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on October 22, 2020, 08:24:51 AM
RANDO QUESTION. Sorry if it's a dumb one.

Are baseplates compatible among aces? I dont imagine the turning radius changes, ergo the baseplates should be fine. but I want to run 55 baseplates on 66 hangers.

Will work, yes?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 22, 2020, 08:27:31 AM
yes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on October 22, 2020, 08:34:13 AM
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yes
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Grassy-ass, kind sir!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: uptherecazaly on October 22, 2020, 09:14:49 PM
I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)

EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Glutenpadre on October 22, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)

EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.

I've been riding my Ace 44s without speed rings, barely noticeable and seems fine no complications so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on October 23, 2020, 12:12:26 AM
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I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)

EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.
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I've been riding my Ace 44s without speed rings, barely noticeable and seems fine no complications so far.

Why do you want to do that ?
I don't think this will cause any issue, but you will probably have more visible threads and will most likely destroy them sooner.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 23, 2020, 05:03:22 AM
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I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)

EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.
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I've been riding my Ace 44s without speed rings, barely noticeable and seems fine no complications so far.
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Why do you want to do that ?
I don't think this will cause any issue, but you will probably have more visible threads and will most likelydestroy them sooner.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 23, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)

EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.


With my 55s, I've pretty much always run them with both washers outside. Its fine, thats part of Aces design and it doesn't fuck with the speed at all. I keep the washers on the outside to keep the axle threads from being exposed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 23, 2020, 06:28:29 PM
Same as above.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on October 23, 2020, 10:31:48 PM
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on October 24, 2020, 08:54:57 AM
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Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
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had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.
 *(Once the bushings break in)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 24, 2020, 03:30:43 PM
How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 24, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.

I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 24, 2020, 05:23:58 PM
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How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.
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I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.
Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.
If the only penalty was a bit of slop, I might be down, as I tend to run on the looser side anyway.
I also understand that a cup config was likely a deliberate decide on their part.
Just throwing shit at the walls, so to speak.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hillbilly shifty on October 24, 2020, 07:11:45 PM
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How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.
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I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.
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Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.
If the only penalty was a bit of slop, I might be down, as I tend to run on the looser side anyway.
I also understand that a cup config was likely a deliberate decide on their part.
Just throwing shit at the walls, so to speak.

all else being equal, swapping to flat washers will give less resistance and a deeper surfy turn.
had a pair of thunders w/ stock bushings, nuts flush. felt too stiff.
swapped cup for flat washers top + bottom, nuts flush. much better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 24, 2020, 11:52:19 PM
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Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
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had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
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I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.
 *(Once the bushings break in)
manual point on aces is god tier!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on October 25, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BKKb2Gk/62-A8-ECB0-B0-EA-495-C-B369-D1-AAEAFBB8-BE.jpg)

I skated the lows for about 5 months before switching to these yesterday. I wish I would’ve skipped over the 03’s and went straight for the 33’s. The added height makes flip tricks that much easier and the way they pinch makes feeble/smiths and crooked grinds feel that much better. Maybe what I’m trying to say is that they’re more “responsive”? I wish I would’ve given them a try years ago

The only thing that irks me is that I already managed to crack both pivot cups after just two days of skating. I even swapped them out for the Riptide cups everyone seems to love. Maybe it’s just a side effect of the way the trucks turn mixed with my technique
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on October 25, 2020, 09:52:43 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BKKb2Gk/62-A8-ECB0-B0-EA-495-C-B369-D1-AAEAFBB8-BE.jpg)

I skated the lows for about 5 months before switching to these yesterday. I wish I would’ve skipped over the 03’s and went straight for the 33’s. The added height makes flip tricks that much easier and the way they pinch makes feeble/smiths and crooked grinds feel that much better. Maybe what I’m trying to say is that they’re more “responsive”? I wish I would’ve given them a try years ago

The only thing that irks me is that I already managed to crack both pivot cups after just two days of skating. I even swapped them out for the Riptide cups everyone seems to love. Maybe it’s just a side effect of the way the trucks turn mixed with my technique

dude lol ace pivot cups are dogshit at this point I dont even have pivot cups anymore but I still skate them as is
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on October 25, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
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Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
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had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
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I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.
 *(Once the bushings break in)
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manual point on aces is god tier!
dope but is 14wb on thunder equivalent to 14.25 on ace or thereabouts? that's the main concern
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 25, 2020, 11:35:30 PM
Thunders open up your wheelbase, aces shorten it!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on October 26, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
Thunders open up your wheelbase, aces shorten it!
i know that!! are aces pretty much true to the measured wheel base on a deck though? i don't even know how far thunders extend the base tbh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 26, 2020, 01:20:05 AM
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Thunders open up your wheelbase, aces shorten it!
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i know that!! are aces pretty much true to the measured wheel base on a deck though? i don't even know how far thunders extend the base tbh
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on October 26, 2020, 04:28:20 AM
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Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace
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had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
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I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.
 *(Once the bushings break in)
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manual point on aces is god tier!

Definitely one of my favorite traits on ace. It feels harder to miss a manual than make one on them. They feel so good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 26, 2020, 05:25:52 AM
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How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.
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I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.
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Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.
If the only penalty was a bit of slop, I might be down, as I tend to run on the looser side anyway.
I also understand that a cup config was likely a deliberate decide on their part.
Just throwing shit at the walls, so to speak.

Now that you say that, "deliberate decide". Having flat washers may cause your bushings to drag on smiths? Depending on how you do them. Just a thought, but things are designed certain ways for certain reasons.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on October 26, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
I'm the opposite- manual point on Ace and Generator decks feels wack to me. Very front heavy/hard to tip. Venture cast/Thunder cast is way better. Indy in the middle depending on the deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 27, 2020, 03:31:20 PM
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks, 66s. Woah, these things are floaty and carvey. They immediately feel different from stage 11 Indys, and especially Thunders and Ventures.

I love how they feel initially, but I keep getting crazy wheelbite. I tried tightening them down a boatload, still had wheelbite and the bushings were folding over a bit like in the posts on the last page. I have 55mm OJ mini super juice, and .1” risers. I’m 225lbs, if that makes a difference.

How do I get these things to not get wheelbite? Is it as simple as changing to 1/4” risers? I’m just trying to make one order tonight and have everything I need to get these trucks to feel right. Do I need harder bushings?

Thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on October 27, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks, 66s. Woah, these things are floaty and carvey. They immediately feel different from stage 11 Indys, and especially Thunders and Ventures.

I love how they feel initially, but I keep getting crazy wheelbite. I tried tightening them down a boatload, still had wheelbite and the bushings were folding over a bit like in the posts on the last page. I have 55mm OJ mini super juice, and .1” risers. I’m 225lbs, if that makes a difference.

How do I get these things to not get wheelbite? Is it as simple as changing to 1/4” risers? I’m just trying to make one order tonight and have everything I need to get these trucks to feel right. Do I need harder bushings?

Thanks

In my experience with Aces and cruiser wheels, you're going to need  1/4" risers to get rid of wheelbite. I always bit on 1/8" risers and 56mm g-slides, but when I moved up to 1/4" risers it fixed the wheelbite problem. In comparison, 56mm F4s barely gave me wheelbite without risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 27, 2020, 04:53:43 PM
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks, 66s. Woah, these things are floaty and carvey. They immediately feel different from stage 11 Indys, and especially Thunders and Ventures.

I love how they feel initially, but I keep getting crazy wheelbite. I tried tightening them down a boatload, still had wheelbite and the bushings were folding over a bit like in the posts on the last page. I have 55mm OJ mini super juice, and .1” risers. I’m 225lbs, if that makes a difference.

How do I get these things to not get wheelbite? Is it as simple as changing to 1/4” risers? I’m just trying to make one order tonight and have everything I need to get these trucks to feel right. Do I need harder bushings?

Thanks

Wheel wells, narrower board, bigger risers. Wide trucks + wide board =  more prone to wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 27, 2020, 06:39:36 PM
Thanks. I'm going to grab some 1/4" risers, see how that works.

I had the same board and same wheels on loose indy 169s with the .1" risers, and no wheelbite. The 169 standards are 2mm taller, but I tightened the crap out of the Ace. I guess a couple mm makes a larger impact.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 28, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
Got some hard plastic 1/4" risers today. Still had wheelbite with the 66s. Added my .1" shock pads with the 1/4" risers, and no wheelbite, but felt too high off the ground at that point.

I love how different these feel. Turn so well, maybe a bit twitchy feeling, but not something I couldn't get used to in a day or two. The wheelbite, as well bushings folding over if tightened, are deal breakers for me though.

If I got harder bushings, would it fix this issue? I'm starting to think about selling them as I feel like I can't ride them. They haven't even gone for a real skate yet, just been carving around in my garage.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pinche gringo on October 28, 2020, 05:34:15 PM
^ I’ve been riding a set of Aces that I got from a friend. I like them fine. The only negative aspect is that the stock bushings, I bought a new set because I wanted to experience them as close to their intended feel, had no rebound out of a turn. It’s like they just flop over and there you are waiting for the wheelbite. I put in the medium bones from my other trucks and they don’t feel that different from the Indys I was riding forever.

tl;dr change the stock bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 28, 2020, 06:34:30 PM
Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 28, 2020, 06:46:31 PM
Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on October 28, 2020, 06:47:02 PM
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Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 28, 2020, 06:53:26 PM
Thanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.

Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on October 28, 2020, 07:21:22 PM
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Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?

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Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!

Most bushings stiffen up a bit after a few sessions, these are no different; I have found nothing better than ACE stocks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pinche gringo on October 28, 2020, 08:07:42 PM
That’s interesting. Bushings stiffening up has never been my experience. Rad that it works for you. Every time I buy an aftermarket thing like bushings I feel like a rube.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: silpulsar on October 29, 2020, 11:02:13 AM
Thanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.

Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?

The issue is the top washers that come stock with Aces have a thicker edge than, say, Indys. It digs into the bushing when you tighten them down and squeezes them out the side.

Find some Indy top washers and put them on your Aces. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 29, 2020, 02:12:35 PM
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Thanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.

Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?
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The issue is the top washers that come stock with Aces have a thicker edge than, say, Indys. It digs into the bushing when you tighten them down and squeezes them out the side.

Find some Indy top washers and put them on your Aces. Problem solved.

Thanks, will try tonight. It’s ok to ride them with bushings squeezed, it just looks odd?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 29, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.

Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on October 29, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
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Thanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.

Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?
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The issue is the top washers that come stock with Aces have a thicker edge than, say, Indys. It digs into the bushing when you tighten them down and squeezes them out the side.

Find some Indy top washers and put them on your Aces. Problem solved.
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Thanks, will try tonight. It’s ok to ride them with bushings squeezed, it just looks odd?
have you broken in the stock bushings enough? How tight do you need them? Stock indy 169 bushings felt way softer than stock ace 55's to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 29, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.

Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses


please listen to the good man. please.

as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on October 31, 2020, 01:51:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ibsalfnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PcUdJ0kl.jpg)

Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on October 31, 2020, 02:09:09 PM
i really hope they come out with a proper 8.75 hanger
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on October 31, 2020, 03:54:17 PM
That bottom is sick!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 31, 2020, 08:25:16 PM
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I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.

Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses
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please listen to the good man. please.

as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.

I actually got pretty mad at the trucks the other day, after troubleshooting with them for an hour. I’ve never in my life have to do this with a truck. Could barely ride them at stock tightness, and tightened them when the bushing ripped a bit hanging off the washer. Called up Tactics, they will accept a used return. I’m not messing around with it, it should ride well stock, like every single other truck I’ve had in my entire life has.

Will stick with indys, thunders and ventures. They don’t have as nice of a turn, but I can actually ride them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 31, 2020, 08:53:50 PM
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I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.

Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses
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please listen to the good man. please.

as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.
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I actually got pretty mad at the trucks the other day, after troubleshooting with them for an hour. I’ve never in my life have to do this with a truck. Could barely ride them at stock tightness, and tightened them when the bushing ripped a bit hanging off the washer. Called up Tactics, they will accept a used return. I’m not messing around with it, it should ride well stock, like every single other truck I’ve had in my entire life has.

Will stick with indys, thunders and ventures. They don’t have as nice of a turn, but I can actually ride them.

I like and ride other trucks too.
That being said, I do not fucking understand when people hop on a skateboard, hop off, and instantly crank the bushing down, and then are upset when the bushing break. That is how to break/rip/tear bushings. It’s weird as hell to expect a different result. 
I like ventures, a lot, but it’s basically the opposite problem for me with stock bushings: need to loosen em up a lot before I can get enough turn, or swap out the top washer for a flat washer. I’ll still skate em for a few sessions stock first. That’s the breaking it in part. People that try and short cut this type of shit for sure buy pre ripped pants.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on October 31, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
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I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.

Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses
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please listen to the good man. please.

as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.
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I actually got pretty mad at the trucks the other day, after troubleshooting with them for an hour. I’ve never in my life have to do this with a truck. Could barely ride them at stock tightness, and tightened them when the bushing ripped a bit hanging off the washer. Called up Tactics, they will accept a used return. I’m not messing around with it, it should ride well stock, like every single other truck I’ve had in my entire life has.

Will stick with indys, thunders and ventures. They don’t have as nice of a turn, but I can actually ride them.
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I like and ride other trucks too.
That being said, I do not fucking understand when people hop on a skateboard, hop off, and instantly crank the bushing down, and then are upset when the bushing break. That is how to break/rip/tear bushings. It’s weird as hell to expect a different result. 
I like ventures, a lot, but it’s basically the opposite problem for me with stock bushings: need to loosen em up a lot before I can get enough turn, or swap out the top washer for a flat washer. I’ll still skate em for a few sessions stock first. That’s the breaking it in part. People that try and short cut this type of shit for sure buy pre ripped pants.

I didn’t tighten it down that much, maybe medium, and not all at once. Nothing I haven’t done before 50 times.

I do like how the geometry works, I do like the quality and detail, and I do like the turn, but they pivot too deep or something and had too much wheelbite even at medium tight, with 2.54mm risers and 53mm wheels. I’m well over 200lbs, if that matters, but always ride stock bushings without issues.

I feel like I would have to do a lot more experimenting to figure out how to keep their deep turn, without any bite. It might be worth it, and I feel bad and stupid for giving up on them, since they are high quality, but it just seems like work and $ that may not pay off.

I just want turn key trucks, like I get from Venture, Indy and Thunder. Thanks for the help though guys, I’m out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on November 01, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ibsalfnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PcUdJ0kl.jpg)

Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.


Any news on an actual launch time for these? I need that true 8.5 axle ASAP
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2020, 11:52:16 AM
Anyone know the new size chart for these? Are they going up in .25" increments now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on November 01, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
@IpathCats

Kind of hope they stay at 9 and not 9.125”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
I'm an 8.5 guy riding 44's now. I get 8.5" in every other truck, so I'm sure I'll like these once they change sizes too. I have a set of 9" 55's on my cruiser with big wheels and a set of 22's for the zip zinger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
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Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:

44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125

Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
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@IpathCats

Kind of hope they stay at 9 and not 9.125”
Thanks man!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 01, 2020, 02:08:20 PM
Beautiful plates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 01, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Are people starting to hoard the 8.38" 44s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2020, 02:17:18 PM
Are people starting to hoard the 8.38" 44s?

I'm sure some people will. I just started skating a new set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on November 01, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ibsalfnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PcUdJ0kl.jpg)

Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.

So, the new plates are indeed forged? Won't that lower them by about 1.5mm? That would probably make them too low for my liking. I'm very happy at 52mm, but I've skated 55mm most of my life, so getting down to Thunder height might throw me off too much. Let alone the fact that I don't like the feel of forged.
I'd rather have titanium axles and hollow kingpin to shed some of that weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on November 02, 2020, 12:35:29 AM
I'm skating 44s on 8.25 and its perfect.
Now I'm not sure if I would have to go with the 55 or stick with the 44 ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 02, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ibsalfnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PcUdJ0kl.jpg)

Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.

That Baseplate looks dope!! I just wish brands would start making the kingpin hole hexagonal so you could put an inverted kingpin and still tighten it from the top without the nut rotating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on November 02, 2020, 01:44:03 AM
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Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.
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So, the new plates are indeed forged? Won't that lower them by about 1.5mm? That would probably make them too low for my liking. I'm very happy at 52mm, but I've skated 55mm most of my life, so getting down to Thunder height might throw me off too much. Let alone the fact that I don't like the feel of forged.
I'd rather have titanium axles and hollow kingpin to shed some of that weight.

They don't necessarily have to lower the baseplate just because they're forged. They could still maintain the 52mm height. I was under the impression DLX/Indy did the thinner forged plates to save weight and offer an alternative height to their standard stuff (could be wrong though). I'm guessing Ace will still just have the one standard height model for 8"+ trucks. That said, they'll have to use more aluminum to keep the height while being forged, I'd be surprised if the price didn't go up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 02, 2020, 02:33:52 AM
I'm skating 44s on 8.25 and its perfect.
Now I'm not sure if I would have to go with the 55 or stick with the 44 ?

I'd go with 44's if I was you. I'd rather flush fitment that a quarter inch of poke
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 02, 2020, 06:12:37 AM
It will be an 1/8" of poke each side. Noticeable to some, negligible to others.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on November 07, 2020, 10:20:49 AM
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on November 07, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.

You got that bushing bulge to match that pants bulge!

I’m thinking of going back to Ace now that I’m shaking off the rust a bit. I hate how tic tacky I am when I can’t turn on a dime like I’m used to with Ace. Best damn trucks out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on November 07, 2020, 03:21:04 PM
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.

I put some indy washers and 94a bushings in mine and it helped a lot. I have a 1/4" riser on mine, and still get some bite, but it's much more manageable now.

Next spring I'm going to try some boards with wheel wells. The idea of being able to run this truck lower AND keep the big wheels, sounds like the perfect low cruiser set up.

Suffice to say I won't be returning them. I'm going to keep them and try to figure them out, because they do turn a tighter radius than anything else I've skated.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2020, 04:55:45 PM
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.

If possible, I’d recommend loosening the trucks until the bulge disappears (this may take awhile, few days of cruising). And yes, especially with 66s, they’ll be almost impossibly loose, but the hope is the bushing settle, firm up, you can adjust to your liking at that later point. Best of luck, the ace turn is the best. The best I say.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on November 07, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
I am enjoying them more than the 44s I already had. I'm keeping them as is from the factory. Rocking some old f4 classics worn down to less than 50mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 07, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
Every time I try to skate anything else, I come back to Ace, specifically the 44s.

One of the locals here got some in so I gripped a new set. Was feeling kind of bad about spending the money but ended up hitting axle later that day. Might flip them front to back and keep running them but we shall see.

I've been skating mine on an 8.5 Hockey with 56mm loopholes and no risers. I get wheelbite about the same as I do on indys with 53s and harder bushings, which is pretty amazing. The combo of the Aces with the 56s is something I never thought I would be into but I just can't quit it.

Rambling, just psyched on Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
Every time I try to skate anything else, I come back to Ace, specifically the 44s.

One of the locals here got some in so I gripped a new set. Was feeling kind of bad about spending the money but ended up hitting axle later that day. Might flip them front to back and keep running them but we shall see.

I've been skating mine on an 8.5 Hockey with 56mm loopholes and no risers. I get wheelbite about the same as I do on indys with 53s and harder bushings, which is pretty amazing. The combo of the Aces with the 56s is something I never thought I would be into but I just can't quit it.

Rambling, just psyched on Aces.

The only setup I’ve had in the last few years that had been bigger than 7.75, that really worked for me, was an 8.25 girl Simon deck (Cory graphic that I was hyped on), 14 wb, 44s, 56 mm conical fulls, no risers. The board was more like 8 1/8, pretty mellow. I normally love rolling around on big wheels and then wail in desperation as soon as I try and do any type of trickery. That setup worked tho, poppin. Ace have tons of turn, and not much wheelbite, imo. What I can’t figure out is how some setups, with ace, pop really good for me, and some very much do not. I think I’m just too heavy, and not strong enough to manipulate trucks over 8”.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 07, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
Every time I try to skate anything else, I come back to Ace, specifically the 44s.

One of the locals here got some in so I gripped a new set. Was feeling kind of bad about spending the money but ended up hitting axle later that day. Might flip them front to back and keep running them but we shall see.

I've been skating mine on an 8.5 Hockey with 56mm loopholes and no risers. I get wheelbite about the same as I do on indys with 53s and harder bushings, which is pretty amazing. The combo of the Aces with the 56s is something I never thought I would be into but I just can't quit it.

Rambling, just psyched on Aces.
aces and 56 loopholes are a great match! I rock that combo with 1/8 risers and don’t notice any wheel bite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 07, 2020, 09:24:28 PM
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Xen turned me onto these. If you guys wanna take your Ace's to an insane level, run these with the stock bushings and Riptide pivot cups. They work like Bones bushings having a core to always snap back to center, but these will pretty much last forever. Pricey, I know, but definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 08, 2020, 08:35:06 AM
Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?

I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2020, 10:03:28 AM
Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?

I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.

They do and with less wheel bite!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 08, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
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Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?

I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.
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They do and with less wheel bite!

Thanks G!

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/6pWJtDHLYdTCtpEEMC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on November 08, 2020, 01:42:43 PM
Baseplate looks super sick!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 08, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 08, 2020, 07:38:29 PM
Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?

Some of the old ones do from what I've seen, but the current ones do not. They're under a little at the inside bolts and stick out at the end.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 09, 2020, 03:58:29 AM
Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
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Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
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Some of the old ones do from what I've seen, but the current ones do not. They're under a little at the inside bolts and stick out at the end.
Get indy rubber risers and cut them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on November 09, 2020, 07:31:28 PM
how's the kingpin clearance on the 03s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 10, 2020, 06:37:26 AM
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Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
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Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
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Some of the old ones do from what I've seen, but the current ones do not. They're under a little at the inside bolts and stick out at the end.
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Get indy rubber risers and cut them

When I do use risers (mostly with 55s) I like Lucky the best. Slotted and they line up nicely. If Lucky are too soft for your tastes, Modus are are good.They do stick out a tiny bit but it is nice and even on all sides, and they're hard so it doesn't mess up your slides.

That being said, no idea why Ace doesn't make risers of their own.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on November 10, 2020, 11:39:42 AM
Ace truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.

Saw Skrotum brought this up in a thread on gear failure, and it piqued my interest. Somehow I was unaware of Ace having hardware nut sized axel nuts, missed that completely. What's the deal with these? Was it right when they were starting out in 2006 or whatever? Anyone have photos of these? Can't find anything on google images.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on November 10, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
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Ace truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.
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Saw Skrotum brought this up in a thread on gear failure, and it piqued my interest. Somehow I was unaware of Ace having hardware nut sized axel nuts, missed that completely. What's the deal with these? Was it right when they were starting out in 2006 or whatever? Anyone have photos of these? Can't find anything on google images.
I collected a whole bunch of those 3/8 axle nuts but ace stopped making it at V4.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on November 10, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/7JHC1NBjrp/?hl=en

.38 Specials
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on November 10, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
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Ace truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.
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Saw Skrotum brought this up in a thread on gear failure, and it piqued my interest. Somehow I was unaware of Ace having hardware nut sized axel nuts, missed that completely. What's the deal with these? Was it right when they were starting out in 2006 or whatever? Anyone have photos of these? Can't find anything on google images.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=96525.0

38 Specials they were called. A very...odd design choice. No nylock insert. Retention was achieved through a slightly ovalized shape to the hole, sort of pinched it in place. Problem being, every time your adjusted, rotated wheels, swapped bearings, whatever, the hole got less and less oval, and you just end up with a floating axle nut and no tension. I suppose if you never touched them until the truck was dust, it'd work....maybe.

Edit: see above, beat me to it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 11, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.

What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?

I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS. 




Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on November 11, 2020, 04:58:12 PM
This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.

What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?

I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.


Really been enjoying Polar 8.5 shape with ace 44. Its 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase. On the steeper side I would say. Also really good trucks on DLX 8.5 shape.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j0llysnowman on November 11, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.

What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?

I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.

I'm a noob, but I've got an Anti-Hero 8.25 and 54mm 99a Conical Fulls. Sometimes I think about an 8.06" because I have small feet. Only ride transition.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on November 11, 2020, 07:14:38 PM
my favorite deck to pair with ace 44s was the short quasi 8.25 with the 14.25 wb (I think they do a longer one too). fit perfect with 56mm conical fulls. I'd get annoyed with that shape because 144/148s were too small but 149s were too big. goldilocks trucks for that shape. I'm pretty sure habitat, gx1000 and wknd do a shape like that too.

wish instead of just doing the same sizes as everything else they'd do one in the middle of the 44 and 55, something like a hair smaller than a 159 or something, they'd probably go perfect on the short quasi 8.5s. the taper of those towards the back truck can be kinda madness inducing if you like your see your wheels but not have your stuff looking like a monster truck.




Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on November 16, 2020, 06:01:44 PM
Alright. Bout to go insane.

I've ridden Indy's for 10 years.

About a year ago, I switched to Ace 44. They were great. Loved how they turned.

The one day I started noticing my board was feeling weird-- stiff/wonky turns and this strange 'hollow' feeling, especially when skating down the street. Really really abrasive ride. And generally the board has been feeling slower, and inconsistent speed-wise too-- like depending how my weight is on it, it just slows down for no reason (it's not wheelbiting), or just feels like i'm pushing up hill all the time.

Obviously, I thought it was the wheels. I switched those (twice), as well as bearings, and removed the riser pads thinking maybe those were the problem. Also thought it might be the deck, thinking it was soggy, so been through a couple of those. Nothing. Still feeling stiff, slow, and just wonky. The only thing left in my troubleshooting is the Ace's.

Has anyone experienced some shit like this? Any ideas on what I should try? Is there some way I can check and see if my Aces are bent or something?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2020, 06:08:48 PM
Alright. Bout to go insane.

I've ridden Indy's for 10 years.

About a year ago, I switched to Ace 44. They were great. Loved how they turned.

The one day I started noticing my board was feeling weird-- stiff/wonky turns and this strange 'hollow' feeling, especially when skating down the street. Really really abrasive ride. And generally the board has been feeling slower, and inconsistent speed-wise too-- like depending how my weight is on it, it just slows down for no reason (it's not wheelbiting), or just feels like i'm pushing up hill all the time.

Obviously, I thought it was the wheels. I switched those (twice), as well as bearings, and removed the riser pads thinking maybe those were the problem. Also thought it might be the deck, thinking it was soggy, so been through a couple of those. Nothing. Still feeling stiff, slow, and just wonky. The only thing left in my troubleshooting is the Ace's.

Has anyone experienced some shit like this? Any ideas on what I should try? Is there some way I can check and see if my Aces are bent or something?

Did you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?

If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 16, 2020, 06:39:53 PM
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This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.

What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?

I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.
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Really been enjoying Polar 8.5 shape with ace 44. Its 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase. On the steeper side I would say. Also really good trucks on DLX 8.5 shape.

Thanks for all the the input. I went with an 8.375/ 14.5 wb Polar deck. I am planning to use some risers and 56mm Radials or Conical Fulls.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 16, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
my favorite deck to pair with ace 44s was the short quasi 8.25 with the 14.25 wb (I think they do a longer one too). fit perfect with 56mm conical fulls. I'd get annoyed with that shape because 144/148s were too small but 149s were too big. goldilocks trucks for that shape. I'm pretty sure habitat, gx1000 and wknd do a shape like that too.

wish instead of just doing the same sizes as everything else they'd do one in the middle of the 44 and 55, something like a hair smaller than a 159 or something, they'd probably go perfect on the short quasi 8.5s. the taper of those towards the back truck can be kinda madness inducing if you like your see your wheels but not have your stuff looking like a monster truck.


Thank you. I appreciate the advice.
I’ve been wanting to try a Quasi or WKND deck. One of those will be the next deck I pair with Aces. Or perhaps a 5boro.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on November 16, 2020, 11:53:02 PM
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Alright. Bout to go insane.

I've ridden Indy's for 10 years.

About a year ago, I switched to Ace 44. They were great. Loved how they turned.

The one day I started noticing my board was feeling weird-- stiff/wonky turns and this strange 'hollow' feeling, especially when skating down the street. Really really abrasive ride. And generally the board has been feeling slower, and inconsistent speed-wise too-- like depending how my weight is on it, it just slows down for no reason (it's not wheelbiting), or just feels like i'm pushing up hill all the time.

Obviously, I thought it was the wheels. I switched those (twice), as well as bearings, and removed the riser pads thinking maybe those were the problem. Also thought it might be the deck, thinking it was soggy, so been through a couple of those. Nothing. Still feeling stiff, slow, and just wonky. The only thing left in my troubleshooting is the Ace's.

Has anyone experienced some shit like this? Any ideas on what I should try? Is there some way I can check and see if my Aces are bent or something?
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Did you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?

If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.

betting my ass it's the shitty ass pivot cups ace use. that would explain the tipping or hollow feeling. the metal nub probably rubs against metal, creating a groovy sensation, that kills all the temptation.

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3009741827_10.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on November 17, 2020, 09:58:39 AM
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Did you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?

If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.
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betting my ass it's the shitty ass pivot cups ace use. that would explain the tipping or hollow feeling. the metal nub probably rubs against metal, creating a groovy sensation, that kills all the temptation.


Thanks Xen and Frank!

The wheels are level as can be, so I don't think axle is bent bent.

Have not tried new bushings, was trying for that stock Ace experience but I might try that at some point.

Pivot cups look OK from what I can see externally but I agree with Frank that it could have something to do with the erratic behavior. It has also been the LOUDEST setup i have ever ridden since i started having issues, so the metal-on-metal theory makes sense. I'm gonna try and take them apart and see if either one is shredded.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on November 17, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on November 17, 2020, 10:11:42 AM
yeah maybe the nub broke through, and the rim is fine from the outside. you describing it as hollow sounds like the truck resonates, which lead me to thinking there is some metal on metal action going on. either that or that axle could be knocked loose and rattle, but then you would have needed to knock em back right frequently. i am thinking this because i had this same thing with a set of thunders at some point, and the pivot was the culprit. they felt rattly and misaligned, but everything seemed fine except pivot cups. most underrated part of a truck imo, i'm sure a lot of people never think about them when something is wrong with their trucks.

aces are notorious for having shit stock pivot cups, too. and i think without shaving off the top, no standard cups fit, so the custom fitted bushings and pivots are probably to make some money after the truck sale.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 17, 2020, 02:21:28 PM
Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?

I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.

I have tried my homie Dayo's 03s I was shocked at the performance.

They turned nicely. I wanna say they had some red Indy replacement parts? Hard to remember. Much tighter setup than I would ride.

It's like these two extinct trucks had a baby.

(https://i.ibb.co/Bsrchb3/16056507239146529909513065928093.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bsrchb3)
(https://i.ibb.co/xDLK75L/16056507777254331154178928299741.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xDLK75L)
 (https://ibb.co/NtbvmW8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on November 17, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
38 specials are the only truck I’ve ever had my wheels fall off riding.

That axle nut does not stay put.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on November 18, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
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Did you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?

If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.
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betting my ass it's the shitty ass pivot cups ace use. that would explain the tipping or hollow feeling. the metal nub probably rubs against metal, creating a groovy sensation, that kills all the temptation.

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Thanks Xen and Frank!

The wheels are level as can be, so I don't think axle is bent bent.

Have not tried new bushings, was trying for that stock Ace experience but I might try that at some point.

Pivot cups look OK from what I can see externally but I agree with Frank that it could have something to do with the erratic behavior. It has also been the LOUDEST setup i have ever ridden since i started having issues, so the metal-on-metal theory makes sense. I'm gonna try and take them apart and see if either one is shredded.
I'm all for keeping the stock bushings, but I did wear through the pivot cup rather fast.
Even when I took them out to replace them, they weren't thrashed by any means but I was getting that weird hollow/loose kingpin feeling. I'm sure the material getting thinner provides a looser fit causing that.
Luckily after replacing them with Ace aftermarket pivot cups I haven't had an issue after months of skating. I've seen a bunch of people recommend other brands of aftermarket pivot cups, but I only could get Ace replacements much quicker at the time and they seem to be just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 18, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
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This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.

What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?

I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.
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Really been enjoying Polar 8.5 shape with ace 44. Its 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase. On the steeper side I would say. Also really good trucks on DLX 8.5 shape.

Skating the same setup right now and really enjoying it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 19, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.

Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 19, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
I've learned that Riptide pivot cups are essential. The new China Indy's stock pivot cups are the only tolerable stock pivot cups. The rest are a detriment to how a truck could actually perform if the pivot cavity didn't have garbage urethane inside of it. Ace's aftermarket cups will be decent for a short while then lose their magic, you have to keep using a crayon inside so it doesn't squeak and feel shitty just like all the other cups. Riptide's stay consistently amazing throughout their whole life.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 19, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
I've learned that Riptide pivot cups are essential. The new China Indy's stock pivot cups are the only tolerable stock pivot cups. The rest are a detriment to how a truck could actually perform if the pivot cavity didn't have garbage urethane inside of it. Ace's aftermarket cups will be decent for a short while then lose their magic, you have to keep using a crayon inside so it doesn't squeak and feel shitty just like all the other cups. Riptide's stay consistently amazing throughout their whole life.

I plan on putting some RipTides pivot cups in my Aces soon. I put their pivot cups and their 90a Krank bushings in my other trucks and am very happy with them. The stock pivot cups in my Indy 149 Ti were trash.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 20, 2020, 06:27:38 AM
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Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?

I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.
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I have tried my homie Dayo's 03s I was shocked at the performance.

They turned nicely. I wanna say they had some red Indy replacement parts? Hard to remember. Much tighter setup than I would ride.

It's like these two extinct trucks had a baby.

(https://i.ibb.co/Bsrchb3/16056507239146529909513065928093.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bsrchb3)
(https://i.ibb.co/xDLK75L/16056507777254331154178928299741.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xDLK75L)
 (https://ibb.co/NtbvmW8)

Cool, thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on November 20, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
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They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
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Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.

Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:

https://imgur.com/yA7SDE2

Here are some vids. Do these look pretty jacked to anyone else? Seems pretty wobbly to me, but I'm not sure what is normal.

https://youtu.be/SX5plUfC4xs

https://youtu.be/--PcJo5MJQk

Honestly, pivot cups look fine:

https://youtu.be/9IzVx6f2IQY

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on November 20, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
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They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
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Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.
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Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:

https://imgur.com/yA7SDE2

Here are some vids. Do these look pretty jacked to anyone else? Seems pretty wobbly to me, but I'm not sure what is normal.

https://youtu.be/SX5plUfC4xs

https://youtu.be/--PcJo5MJQk

Honestly, pivot cups look fine:

https://youtu.be/9IzVx6f2IQY
Presuming those bearings are properly seated, them things is toast.
Sorry homey.
Warrantee, maybe?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 20, 2020, 08:55:27 PM
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They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
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Sounds like your axel is bent dude.
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LOOKS like the axles are bent from the hurdy gurdy spinning of the trucks.

Actually kinda cool to see them like that.  We usually would line up a metal square / ruler (or something long and flat) along the hanger and see if the axles went all the way parallel with it (straight) or if they were angled down (bent).

Check with the shop you got them at, or email the supplier.

Also in the name, most companies leave out the "HI" or the taller version of trucks are just "standard height" with only the lower or special versions being given specific extra names.

Failing all that, you can use a hammer and straighten them back out if there is no warranty options.  I have done that quite often and it works.  Keep the wheel nut on, sit the truck on the baseplate with just the wheel nut on a curb or brick or something and hammer the end of the hanger closest to the curb.  Turn them around and repeat at the other end.  Use your eye level against something flat to check if they are back to level or not, before belting them too many times and having them bent up.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2020, 10:35:30 PM
Yeah as noted, if those bearings are seated correctly they're bent af. I'd hit up ACE via Insta
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on November 21, 2020, 12:58:52 AM
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They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
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Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.
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Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:

https://imgur.com/yA7SDE2

Here are some vids. Do these look pretty jacked to anyone else? Seems pretty wobbly to me, but I'm not sure what is normal.

https://youtu.be/SX5plUfC4xs

https://youtu.be/--PcJo5MJQk

Honestly, pivot cups look fine:

https://youtu.be/9IzVx6f2IQY

Everyone should try the axle straightness test.

The guy who taught me that test is was a longboard designer and engineer. He said that most regular trucks have a slight bend, it’s almost unavoidable when the metal of the truck cools around the axle in the casting process.

The only ‘true’ straight axles you can get, as far as I know, are CNCed longboarding racing trucks, where demands for precision are much higher
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 21, 2020, 03:36:20 AM
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They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
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Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.
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Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:


Yup, them bois bent
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on November 21, 2020, 07:42:42 AM
Everyone should try the axle straightness test.

The guy who taught me that test is was a longboard designer and engineer. He said that most regular trucks have a slight bend, it’s almost unavoidable when the metal of the truck cools around the axle in the casting process.

The only ‘true’ straight axles you can get, as far as I know, are CNCed longboarding racing trucks, where demands for precision are much higher
I've heard this before, as well.
Probably here, actually.
Gotta say, I don't know... I got worried about it & came home to "inspect" every truck I had that way; wife thought I had gone crazy & was on some Close Encounters of the Third Kind type of shit with all of these boards getting their hangers spun. Didn't find any bent ones though.
I'm a little skeptical on that claim, now, as surely 1 out of 10 "newish" trucks (3 diffewrent brands) should've have shown at least some detectable sign of a manufacturing process-based wobble.
Not to call BS on your longboarder friend's assertion, but I chalked this one up to Truck Madness & gear nerdery.
As an unrelated aside, @cucktard, I've taken to pronouncing your username the same way we "americans" say say mustard, but with cuck where must should be. There was no reason at all for me to share that.
I'll see myself to the door, now.
Good day.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on November 21, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
@Lou Strux @Xen @Mbrimson88 @IpathCats Thanks for taking a look and for the input dudes! I hit up Ace on IG to see what they can do.

@cucktard thanks for sharing that axle test earlier in the thread, really helped me get to the bottom of this.

Also in the name, most companies leave out the "HI" or the taller version of trucks are just "standard height" with only the lower or special versions being given specific extra names.

Thanks. Now that I look at it, most web stores (skatewarehouse, tactics, etc) call standard Ace models "HI". So I think I actually do have relatively recent, standard Ace 44's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: slappy50 on November 25, 2020, 08:50:27 AM
is there any more word on the new ace sizing? is there gonna be an 8.75 truck? i loved my ace 55s until the top bushing on the rear one started tearing apart and wrecked the turn. The cost of getting new ace bushings is quite steep and i havent seen them sold independently anywhere where i live, so i've switched back to 159s for now, unless ace comes out with an 8.75ish axle truck this spring or whenever. the turn on ace is definitely the best its a shame they can be so finnicky sometimes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 25, 2020, 09:27:27 AM
Last I heard it was Spring 2021 but I would not be surprised if it is longer than that. They've been very quiet about it and just got a bunch of the existing models shipped out.

I'm in the same boat as you. An 8.75" axle will fit all the decks I am likely to ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on November 25, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
is there any more word on the new ace sizing? is there gonna be an 8.75 truck? i loved my ace 55s until the top bushing on the rear one started tearing apart and wrecked the turn. The cost of getting new ace bushings is quite steep and i havent seen them sold independently anywhere where i live, so i've switched back to 159s for now, unless ace comes out with an 8.75ish axle truck this spring or whenever. the turn on ace is definitely the best its a shame they can be so finnicky sometimes

I know this was recommended more with the older Ace bushings, but Krux tops work just as well with the new Ace bottom bushings, if you can find them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ogvados on November 29, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
I broke a kingpin today, first time in my life. I was surprised when I found new one in my hardware stash. Did anyone else break the kingpin on Ace trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on November 29, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
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is there any more word on the new ace sizing? is there gonna be an 8.75 truck? i loved my ace 55s until the top bushing on the rear one started tearing apart and wrecked the turn. The cost of getting new ace bushings is quite steep and i havent seen them sold independently anywhere where i live, so i've switched back to 159s for now, unless ace comes out with an 8.75ish axle truck this spring or whenever. the turn on ace is definitely the best its a shame they can be so finnicky sometimes
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I know this was recommended more with the older Ace bushings, but Krux tops work just as well with the new Ace bottom bushings, if you can find them.

I dunno, the Krux top is fairly standard size, which is quite a bit smaller than the Ace tops so you'll be way looser at the same nut position. I'd say Venture top might be best bet for a size match. Or just try whatever you have and tighten the nut more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on November 29, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut.  It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench.  There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.

Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces.  Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut.  It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench.  There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.

Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces.  Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying

I know a couple of others who always had this issue no matter what trucks they used (but was way more so on Thunders and older versions of Indy trucks), because their bottom bushing was always compressed so much that it caused the hanger to sit too close to the kingpin.  The height of the bottom bushing has a huge impact on this, so it would be interesting to see a pic from the side.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on November 30, 2020, 03:43:56 AM
For a change I want to tell that I set up new Aces couple weeks ago, loose 'em up a bit and after couple ledge/curb sesssions they feel fucking great. No issues this time! 8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on November 30, 2020, 11:18:09 AM
so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?

since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on November 30, 2020, 11:23:55 AM
so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?

since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.

Yes, that would be a good remedy imo - I notice a quicker, lighter response from Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 01, 2020, 07:19:23 AM
Has anyone ridden Ace 55s on a 8.68 deck?

I know the axle is 9" but I thought it might work better than the 44s since the "max size" listed on their website is 8.5.

I ask because I went black Friday crazy and bought a Black Label 8.68 with Ace 55s and now I'm wondering if it will work.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on December 01, 2020, 07:39:28 AM
Has anyone ridden Ace 55s on a 8.68 deck?

I know the axle is 9" but I thought it might work better than the 44s since the "max size" listed on their website is 8.5.

I ask because I went black Friday crazy and bought a Black Label 8.68 with Ace 55s and now I'm wondering if it will work.

It should work, I wouldn't kick the wheels all the way out though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 01, 2020, 07:51:27 AM
Has anyone ridden Ace 55s on a 8.68 deck?

I know the axle is 9" but I thought it might work better than the 44s since the "max size" listed on their website is 8.5.

I ask because I went black Friday crazy and bought a Black Label 8.68 with Ace 55s and now I'm wondering if it will work.

Just put both washers outside the wheels (you can do no washer inside with Ace) and you'll be good. I do that with my 55s on anything where I would normally want an 8.75" truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on December 01, 2020, 08:30:49 AM
I rode 8.5s, 55s, and <52mm wheels for a solid 9 months last year.  It's not ideal for how I want to skate now (I'm all the way down to 8.25 trucks now) but I do love the combination.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 01, 2020, 09:48:38 AM
Sick. Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll have to post the set up once I get it put together.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 01, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
I've used 44s on 8.5 up to 8.75

and 55s on 8.5 up to 9.8 shaped boards.

I'm a broken record here and while all the above combos worked, Ace really need something between 44 and 55.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on December 01, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?

since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.

I've broken/sprained my feet/ankles multiple times. Before my last bad injury I was riding 8.75 with indy 159 titanium. After surgery and physical therapy getting on that board felt impossible to maneuver, so I sized down to 8.5 and ace 44's and it helped a good bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on December 01, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
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so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?

since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.
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I've broken/sprained my feet/ankles multiple times. Before my last bad injury I was riding 8.75 with indy 159 titanium. After surgery and physical therapy getting on that board felt impossible to maneuver, so I sized down to 8.5 and ace 44's and it helped a good bit.

That sounds a lot like what happened to me! Was riding 8.625-8.75 (with the odd shaped board every once in a while) with indy 159 and completely destroyed my ankle in June, so I stepped down to 8.38-8.5 with ace 44 when I got back in July. Sure helped a lot, tried my 159s on a 8.5 after that and could barely kickflip high enough to get on a sidewalk, much easier on my aces... Not exactly as much pop as I had before the injury, but enough to get by. Ankle is getting much better now though! It's winter now here in Canada, so I'll see next summer if I want to step back up in size or not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 01, 2020, 11:27:46 AM
Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut.  It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench.  There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.

Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces.  Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying

Your hanger sitting properly? If I use too short of a bottom bushing one of my Ace's is like that. As long as I have an Ace bottom bushing or Krux, it doesn't have that issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on December 01, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Does anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on December 01, 2020, 04:39:21 PM
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Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut.  It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench.  There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.

Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces.  Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying
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Your hanger sitting properly? If I use too short of a bottom bushing one of my Ace's is like that. As long as I have an Ace bottom bushing or Krux, it doesn't have that issue.

Yep, the hanger is sitting properly and I’m using the stock Ace bushings with the kingpin nut flush.  So weird
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on December 01, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
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so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?

since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.
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I've broken/sprained my feet/ankles multiple times. Before my last bad injury I was riding 8.75 with indy 159 titanium. After surgery and physical therapy getting on that board felt impossible to maneuver, so I sized down to 8.5 and ace 44's and it helped a good bit.

Thanks everyone. I bit the bullet and got a pair of 44’s. I was only able to ride them for a little bit, but the shorter wheelbase had a positive impact for my flatground right away. Loving the way these feel and surprisingly stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 06:36:06 AM
Does anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?

Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 02, 2020, 07:33:09 AM
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Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.

The ML top isn't as tall as the Ace top. Best bet is to leave the Ace top (which is already kinda hard) and mess around with a harder bottom. Or try whatever and crank the kingpin nut down more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 07:35:57 AM
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Does anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?
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Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.
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The ML top isn't as tall as the Ace top. Best bet is to leave the Ace top (which is already kinda hard) and mess around with a harder bottom. Or try whatever and crank the kingpin nut down more.

Had no idea. I want to revisit my set now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on December 02, 2020, 07:56:36 AM
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Does anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?
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Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.
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The ML top isn't as tall as the Ace top. Best bet is to leave the Ace top (which is already kinda hard) and mess around with a harder bottom. Or try whatever and crank the kingpin nut down more.
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Had no idea. I want to revisit my set now.

Ace top is basically huge. IMO they are a big reason for the Ace feel, I use them in my Krux and they feel just like Ace but harder at the end of the turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 1121317 on December 02, 2020, 10:13:32 AM
Anybody came from Thunders? Or anybody who rides tight-medium?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on December 02, 2020, 04:26:48 PM
Had my first session on my 44s earlier. Bushing still dont feel broke in yet, but they feel pretty excellent overall; came off ventures and I'm really appreciating the easier pop and manuals.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on December 02, 2020, 05:44:05 PM
This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.

These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.

Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.

(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.

These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.

Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.

(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)

Replace them with washers from Indy or Venture. The Ace washers are a lot more snug.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 02, 2020, 06:04:23 PM
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This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.

These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.

Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.

(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)
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Replace them with washers from Indy or Venture. The Ace washers are a lot more snug.

FI has the better plan.
I loosen them up and rock back and forth, skate for transport with em real loose. It’s annoying that the bushing take a bit, but they eventually settle, and after that the bushings hold up pretty decent. The washers do look too small tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 02, 2020, 06:13:37 PM
Meant to mention this but I got distracted me ruining the thing about the washers:

How come I love Ace 44s and they're my favorite truck but my set of 55s makes me feel kind of miserable every time I skate them? Same stage so don't play that card. Both are now grooved but my pop on the 44s is just forever superior.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 02, 2020, 06:35:40 PM
@arrbee you could replace  top washer as stated. But it happened to me with new 55’s and I had kingpin flush for a few hours. Yours look past that so I’d take it back a half turn or so. Top bushing stayed after minimal break in and I was able to tighten some after that. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on December 02, 2020, 07:53:29 PM
Indy washers instantly fixed that bushing fold issue for me.

I currently have 101a bushings in my 66s, they’re rock hard, and these are still my best turning trucks. It’s kind of odd actually. When I put the hard bushing into my other trucks, they don’t turn. There is a lot of leverage or whatever in these Aces, to turn with less force.

I hated my 66s at first. I was so pissed cuz I never had a piece of skate gear I had to troubleshoot so much. However I’m glad I kept trying with them, because now I love them, and just bought some 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on December 02, 2020, 08:23:15 PM
Damn I think I need some more 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sk8bat on December 03, 2020, 12:53:03 AM
This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.

These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.

Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.

(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)
Throw the bottom washer in the trash.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on December 03, 2020, 05:09:56 PM
Remember the 38 specials? After hours of researching, I finally found a flange nut really close to the 38s. Does fit on the axle.

It looks a bit different but doesn't affect anything. Check it out.

Top: Ace 38s
Bottom: Found on the website
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2020, 11:14:13 AM
Those are rad, link? Would be nice to find that same nut that has added locking protection with some nylock at the end. I think those look way cooler than normal axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on December 04, 2020, 11:20:37 AM
Those are rad, link? Would be nice to find that same nut that has added locking protection with some nylock at the end. I think those look way cooler than normal axle nuts.

Sent you a message
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 05, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Re: risers
@FrozenIndustries

Used indy (meh) risers because of the open areas they have, you can align it to be flush with the outside edge of the baseplate. Don’t use the bolt holes


(https://i.ibb.co/dpxpQgH/E6028077-C070-4027-8729-E7-EDA0-E435-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpxpQgH)

(https://i.ibb.co/5shKVmf/37-BDBA6-F-D929-499-D-9-FF0-FFE175435-F05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5shKVmf)

(https://i.ibb.co/rfnZfG3/BCD8-FC36-8044-4-FD9-8-E77-EFE31810-A548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rfnZfG3)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 05, 2020, 02:12:50 PM
Re: risers
@FrozenIndustries

Used indy (meh) risers because of the open areas they have, you can align it to be flush with the outside edge of the baseplate. Don’t use the bolt holes


(https://i.ibb.co/dpxpQgH/E6028077-C070-4027-8729-E7-EDA0-E435-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpxpQgH)

(https://i.ibb.co/5shKVmf/37-BDBA6-F-D929-499-D-9-FF0-FFE175435-F05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5shKVmf)

(https://i.ibb.co/rfnZfG3/BCD8-FC36-8044-4-FD9-8-E77-EFE31810-A548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rfnZfG3)

Nice, thank you. I have some Indy risers too! Been running the krooked slotted risers, lucky before that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 05, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Lol that is awesome looks like it fits pretty much perfect
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finecojeffe on December 05, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Those are rad, link? Would be nice to find that same nut that has added locking protection with some nylock at the end. I think those look way cooler than normal axle nuts.
blue loctite should work
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 06, 2020, 06:06:11 PM
55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.

(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 06, 2020, 06:08:48 PM
55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.

(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)
nice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 06, 2020, 06:23:34 PM
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55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.

(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)
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nice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.


Trill talk from Jay
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 06, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
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55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.

(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)
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nice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.
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Trill talk from Jay

Yeah, I'm going that route this time. Im coming off a pair of 44s and tightened them really early on and then had to keep messing with them once the bushings broke in. Won't make that mistake again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on December 06, 2020, 07:16:18 PM
Back on my usual Ace + Red Doh Doh’s, and couldn’t be any happier.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on December 07, 2020, 08:06:12 AM
How long do you skate the bushings at stock tightness before tightening or loosening? Setting up aces today and curious on how long I should let them be and harden up before adjusting
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 07, 2020, 10:02:13 AM
How long do you skate the bushings at stock tightness before tightening or loosening? Setting up aces today and curious on how long I should let them be and harden up before adjusting


You can kinda ‘feel’ it when the bushings settle in imo. I loosen and cruise for transport for a few days, but this could possibly be accelerated by rocking back and forth and shit. But why? You got somewhere to be?

(Stock or looser for a week)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 07, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
I set up a board with new Ace trucks yesterday and just standing on the fresh bushings definitely felt weird, clicking and creaking on the leans from side to side.

Also noticed how small the top washer is compared to Indy or others and could see all the things people had been talking about in this thread.

The other Ace trucks that I had were always used from swaps / trades so the bushings did exactly what they were supposed to, so I guess that initial break in period is definitely one you don't want to mess up.  Leave the trucks loose for as long as you can.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on December 08, 2020, 05:28:40 AM
Thanks guys I appreciate the advice. I skated them yesterday not long cause by the time I got them set up I needed head home. The way they carve definitely was fun to cruise around on and hit small transition. I only shared for maybe 30-45 min and didn’t notice the washers eating into the bushings yet. At 6’1 225 in kinda stoked I didn’t kill the bushings. No weird sounds so far. One wheel wouldn’t go in smooth but I think it’s something up from bearings.

Coming off Indy/ti/forged I do feel like my timing on ollies was off like it took a bit before I hit  the ledge I skated. So I looked like a dork ghost popping I’m sure.

Pretty stoked on them so far 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2020, 05:41:25 AM
Thanks guys I appreciate the advice. I skated them yesterday not long cause by the time I got them set up I needed head home. The way they carve definitely was fun to cruise around on and hit small transition. I only shared for maybe 30-45 min and didn’t notice the washers eating into the bushings yet. At 6’1 225 in kinda stoked I didn’t kill the bushings. No weird sounds so far. One wheel wouldn’t go in smooth but I think it’s something up from bearings.

Coming off Indy/ti/forged I do feel like my timing on ollies was off like it took a bit before I hit  the ledge I skated. So I looked like a dork ghost popping I’m sure.

Pretty stoked on them so far 
indy ti are 53.5mm tall while the ace's are 53mm 52mm.. shouldn't be too crazy of a difference - that might've been more wheelbase adjustment that truck height?  are you on 44 or 55? I use 1/8" risers with my 55 to bring the height to around indy standard w 54mm+ wheels
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on December 08, 2020, 07:30:49 AM
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Thanks guys I appreciate the advice. I skated them yesterday not long cause by the time I got them set up I needed head home. The way they carve definitely was fun to cruise around on and hit small transition. I only shared for maybe 30-45 min and didn’t notice the washers eating into the bushings yet. At 6’1 225 in kinda stoked I didn’t kill the bushings. No weird sounds so far. One wheel wouldn’t go in smooth but I think it’s something up from bearings.

Coming off Indy/ti/forged I do feel like my timing on ollies was off like it took a bit before I hit  the ledge I skated. So I looked like a dork ghost popping I’m sure.

Pretty stoked on them so far 
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indy ti are 53.5mm tall while the ace's are 53mm.. shouldn't be too crazy of a difference - that might've been more wheelbase adjustment that truck height?  are you on 44 or 55? I use 1/8" risers with my 55 to bring the height to around indy standard w 54mm+ wheels

I’m on 44s.  I’m thinking it may be the wheelbase too. I’m on a 14.5 wb which is pretty new to me coming from 14.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 08, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Could be wrong, usually am, but ace are maybe 52mm. Indy ti push the effective wb out, ace brings it in.
‘Knowing’ these little factoids hasn’t helped me too much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 08, 2020, 09:15:03 AM
Could be wrong, usually am, but ace are maybe 52mm. Indy ti push the effective wb out, ace brings it in.
‘Knowing’ these little factoids hasn’t helped me too much.
You're right, Tactics is wrongly listing them at 53mm. I thought that sounded weird but didnt question it bc i hadn't had enough coffee yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on December 08, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
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Could be wrong, usually am, but ace are maybe 52mm. Indy ti push the effective wb out, ace brings it in.
‘Knowing’ these little factoids hasn’t helped me too much.
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You're right, Tactics is wrongly listing them at 53mm. I thought that sounded weird but didnt question it bc i hadn't had enough coffee yet.
pretty sure the previous version was 53 and they just didn't update it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 08, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
As to the ghost pop: too many factors. Tail angles, wb, overall length, wheel size, truck height, truck effect on wb....too much. Most people can adapt. Me however, back on my 14” bs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on December 08, 2020, 06:40:54 PM
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers
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Post by: arrbee on December 08, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I’m on 53 right now
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Post by: Ok on December 08, 2020, 07:21:53 PM
I like taller wheels with Ace. Normally I’m on 52 mm ish. I ride 56 mm conical fulls without too much trouble, and no risers. There are lots of other factors tho, namely the board being wider than the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 08, 2020, 09:51:27 PM
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers

Depends on the truck size and deck size. 44s on an 8.5, I can do 54mm classics no risers but 55s on a 8.75" I'll need risers on 54mm classics. Wheel shape and width also comes into play.
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Post by: Mcidraque on December 09, 2020, 06:01:28 AM
I’m on 53 right now
same here. 53's on either 44 or 55 ace no risers, no problems
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on December 09, 2020, 08:43:33 AM
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers

I'm on 54mm classics, might be a little worn down but even new they were fine on 44s. I did try 56mm conical full too, but ended up setting them back on my indy 159s, but it was very manageable on my 44s too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on December 09, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers

Im running an 8.25 FA at the moment with 55mm conical full Spitties and the wheelbite is negligible.
It actually tapers to 8.125ish at the back truck and still not an issue thanks to how deep the trucks carve.

I know from insta Deedz runs 56-58mm wheels and his trucks look pretty loose. Oski also runs pretty big wheels on 44s/8.125 but with riser pads, which I think is quite an interesting setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on December 10, 2020, 01:04:11 PM
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers

Im on 56mm conical no problem with loose trucks. Wheelbite has never been a issue for me as long as my wheels go up to the edge of my deck. Only time it has effected me was when I skated magic carpet setups as a kid.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 11, 2020, 10:15:31 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIqeaiAJKvb/?igshid=1u2v1ipylox1d

Space camp!!
 Of Montreal "The past is a grotesque animal." It doesn't get much better than this combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cordyceps on December 11, 2020, 10:48:37 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIqeaiAJKvb/?igshid=1u2v1ipylox1d

Space camp!!
 Of Montreal "The past is a grotesque animal." It doesn't get much better than this combo.
Thank you! Nice edit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on December 11, 2020, 11:54:07 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIqeaiAJKvb/?igshid=1u2v1ipylox1d

Space camp!!
 Of Montreal "The past is a grotesque animal." It doesn't get much better than this combo.
Tell you what... if I didn’t already own a couple sets, I’d wanna pick one up for sure after seeing that “homey edit.”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 20, 2020, 05:24:33 PM
What's the max wheel size for stock looseness no risers Ace 44s without going to wheelbite town? Would 54mm-s suffice?

Depends how heavy you land / lean.  A lightweight body could ride 60mm and not have issues, but a heavy body could ride less than 50mm and get constant wheelbite on every landing or every turn.

Once you were used to the trucks though, you could ride almost anything and it would be ok for most people, so each size or option is dependent on who it is or how they ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on December 20, 2020, 08:26:36 PM
You should be safe with 54mm wheels. As I get used to mine, I have been slowly upping the wheelsize, no risers. Currently on 53mm conical fulls with Ace 55, but I'm 100kg. I could probably get away with a 54mm classic shape.

On 44s, you should theoretically get less bite from the same wheel size. So you should be safe with 54mm of any shape if you're under 200lbs and not a ham foot.

I complain off and on about Ace wheelbite, but the fact is the only time I experience wheelbite, is when I'm turning too hard anyways, like a ridiculous turn radius that no other truck could even get to.  And obviously when you land off the corner too hard but that happens on any loose truck. It's becoming a non issue, and I haven't even started making my own wheel wells..yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on December 20, 2020, 08:34:21 PM
I’ve been riding ace exclusively for a few months now. For me I’ve gotten the least amount of wheelbite ever with ace and I ride loose and I weight 200lbs. My go to right now is 55mm wheels on ace 44. I have a set of 55s I was gonna set up but I’ve been sticking with the 44e for now. Wheelbite has honestly not been an issue at all for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TumKayo on December 20, 2020, 08:48:16 PM
I'm gonna get a bit nerdy here, but there isn't as much "tiered gear" in skateboarding, as there is in some other sports. Like certain gear that's designed for advanced/experts, and intermediates can't really benefit from. For instance the ski industry has a lot of tiered gear, that's important to get right or you'll have a really bad time.

Ace feel almost like an "advanced" truck. A beginner can still have fun on them, but you gotta have some foot control to really make them shine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on December 21, 2020, 02:33:06 AM
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prostate Exam on December 21, 2020, 03:15:48 AM
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?

In my opinion the Ace Stock bushings are the best on the market. Never had any problems with them. If you like loose but very controllable trucks the stock bushings are the way to go. Also the bushings are very durable, unlike the Indy or Thunder stocks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on December 21, 2020, 08:42:18 AM
I’m only a handful of sessions in on my aces. But after never having a truck that I’m like this is the one for me. I think I found it. Didn’t adjust the bushings until a few hours in and I only adjusted one after and it’s cause the back bushing started to squish out so I loosened it to get back in.  I’m roughly 225lb riding them looser than the Indy’s and ventures I was riding before and feel far more stable and so far to my knowledge haven’t got wheel bite yet. But only a few sessions in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on December 21, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?


I can second that the ace bushings are great. Just finished riding that shape on 44s and it was amazing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on December 21, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?

Though I do enjoy RipTide bushings in other trucks I found no reason to use them in Aces. I really like the Ace bushings.

When I started using the 44’s I had pretty minimal and short lived bushing bulge. I just ignored it and it stopped happening fairly quickly. I do use the RipTide pivot cups though.

I am also really enjoying using the 44’s on this 8.375 / 14.5wb Polar deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 21, 2020, 07:57:40 PM
been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
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Post by: jay_nev on December 21, 2020, 08:10:20 PM
been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
yes you should >;-D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on December 21, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D

I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on December 21, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
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been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
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I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
how’s the jump from 55 to 66?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on December 21, 2020, 08:39:31 PM
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been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
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I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
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how’s the jump from 55 to 66?

I skated the trucks pretty different, the 55s were on my one and only setup for over a year and I have the 66s on more of a niche setup since getting laid off due to covid and having way too much free time has led me to having multiple setups for the first time haha. That being said the only huge difference I'm getting out of the 66s is that they can fully get on top of a double sided curb, which I'm really digging and they fit 10" plus boards better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 22, 2020, 06:40:12 AM
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been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
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I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.

Good to hear! Then I will try a pair of 44s since I ride 8.5 boards mostly. Maybe get 55s for summer and for a bigger board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on December 22, 2020, 08:33:13 AM
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been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it?  ;D
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I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
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Good to hear! Then I will try a pair of 44s since I ride 8.5 boards mostly. Maybe get 55s for summer and for a bigger board.
Hell yeah they feel great on 8.5! If you want them to fit a little more flush with the board, run 2 washers on the inside of each wheel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GlenSuggittsflexfit on December 22, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
I know this has been discussed before, but whatsup with that dead pop sound ace gives some boards. I have 55s set up on a creature stump and it has that crisp pop sound and feel when you hit the tail on the ground. I also have 44s on a shop deck that sounds dull and dead. I know it's the trucks because I just switched that board from 149 FH and it was crisp and snappy as hell on those.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on December 22, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?
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Post by: GlenSuggittsflexfit on December 22, 2020, 10:47:06 AM
Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?
To clarify it's not when I am ollieing, it's when I amholding the board and hit the underside of the tail on the ground to check the pop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 22, 2020, 11:14:29 AM
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Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?
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To clarify it's not when I am ollieing, it's when I amholding the board and hit the underside of the tail on the ground to check the pop.

Pretty sure it is the aluminum, which is different in Ace than other brands. 7071 vs. 356 (Indy, etc.). It is also what gives Ace its softer feel during grinds.

I personally love it, but I can see why some people don't.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on December 22, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?

No, it sounds this way even when holding board in hand and tapping the ground with tail. My theory is the soft metal of the baseplates has a deadening quality.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hot take on December 22, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
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Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?
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No, it sounds this way even when holding board in hand and tapping the ground with tail. My theory is the soft metal of the baseplates has a deadening quality.
Interesting theory! It kind of reminds me of a waterlogged board...but ya know, not bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Torre on December 22, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hot take on December 22, 2020, 01:34:48 PM
So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street
I have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 22, 2020, 01:50:19 PM
So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street

I pretty much only skate street and my Aces are fine. They feel best on steeper kicks and few fingers of flat for me. Mellow kicks and too much flat with Aces feel good for manuals and smaller tricks but make my pop too light and doesn’t work out for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on December 23, 2020, 09:43:04 PM
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So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street
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I have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?

I skate mostly street and yeah getting a good comfortable pinch is a little hard on aces but still possible (but some ledges idk why it just doesntwork)

this is mainly why I was considering getting risers for aces, I feel like being 3mm taller would make pinch a little easier to sit on and pop out of but idk
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Post by: fulfillthedream on December 24, 2020, 05:11:22 AM
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So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street
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I pretty much only skate street and my Aces are fine. They feel best on steeper kicks and few fingers of flat for me. Mellow kicks and too much flat with Aces feel good for manuals and smaller tricks but make my pop too light and doesn’t work out for me.

not an ace fan but nick boserio, jacopo and SLAPs personal favorite Vinny bahn skate ace  and rip
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hot take on December 24, 2020, 06:24:41 AM
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So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but  skate mainly street
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I have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?
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I skate mostly street and yeah getting a good comfortable pinch is a little hard on aces but still possible (but some ledges idk why it just doesntwork)

this is mainly why I was considering getting risers for aces, I feel like being 3mm taller would make pinch a little easier to sit on and pop out of but idk
I run riser pads with my ace. I’ve actually had the same pair for like 15 years and always used them so I’m not sure what the difference would be. That is a good idea though and makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on December 24, 2020, 06:41:34 PM
I only ever get the dead pop sound on my Ace 44s after changing wheels.

My 55mm con. fulls have an immaculate pop sound , whereas my 53s have a dead clunk and I have no idea why.
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Post by: arrbee on December 24, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
I only ever get the dead pop sound on my Ace 44s after changing wheels.

My 55mm con. fulls have an immaculate pop sound , whereas my 53s have a dead clunk and I have no idea why.

Set up my newest set of 44’s as a Christmas complete. With brand new Swiss it sounded extremely dead. Now that the bearings are breaking in and making some noise, the pop sound is getting clacky even though the deck/setup is about 2 weeks now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 24, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
I've had quite a few sets of Ace's from stage 1 all the way to the current versions sound dead. I think with the poor QC some of the kingpins just dont get pressed in properly from the factory and it makes them sound off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on December 24, 2020, 09:17:48 PM
Ace are great with Polar and no risers. Great pinch with them and with the Quasi I used them on. My worst pinch is Venture which some people think is the best so IDK
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 27, 2020, 07:42:46 PM
Rode Independent for 17 years before switching to Ace. Been on Aces for about 3 years now. I was feeling nostalgic and put an old set of Indys on, and it reminded me why I switched to Ace and never looked back. Besides quality control, Ace does everything so much better than Independent
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on December 27, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
I’ve had the waterlogged sound before also (not just with ace, but Indy as well). I spent way too much time trying to fix the sound. I swapped baseplates, wheels, cleaned bearings, all this with a fresh bbs deck...

Putting in harder (more dense) bushings remedied the problem. I like the Indy black aftermarket ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 28, 2020, 10:05:00 AM
gonna be skating my aces soon, hyped but still stressing the shit out of their qc issues I've been reading >:( ;D or do they still have those? if so, switching back to indys soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 28, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
You are about to find out. I've had 3 sets of 44s and two sets of 55s with no issues whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 28, 2020, 10:34:16 AM
Depends on what is most important to you: qc (sometimes) or turn. I like ace better than indy, by a lot, but Indy is more durable in my experience. My most recent ace have been fine, but even when the axles used to bend they were still rideable. I’ve had indys that have bent and been unrideable, but that was in early 2000s. Blah blah blah ace are dope
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 28, 2020, 11:42:41 AM
You are about to find out. I've had 3 sets of 44s and two sets of 55s with no issues whatsoever.

Same, 2 sets of 44’s, 33’s and 55’s too and no problems
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 28, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
On the topic of quality control/durability, I've never had any issues that made them unskatable. I've had a set of 44s and 55s.

The axle is slightly off center on the 55s. When I tighten down the nut, one side will have a few threads showing and the other side will be flush. I've had wider wheels where I can only tighten the nut a quarter turn past finger tight. I've seen a few others post about this too.

Both sets have the wobbly kingpin, but I don't notice it when I'm skating.

I love the stock bushings, but both sets got stiff and stopped turning as well after a few months. I like Krux bushings even more than the stock ones anyway, so can't complain too much about this either
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bonafidekook on January 05, 2021, 02:53:01 PM
People were discussing the Polar surf shape with Ace's, longtime indy rider just made the switch at the end of this year (now dealing with a Canadian winter). Heres 55's on the surf shape. Maybe the slightest bit wide in the back as they peek out a little bit if you're not looking straight down but I feel like 44's would be way too small up front. Was definitely unsure of how these would fit as I didn't want to have to go back to 159's to make it work. In the few weeks I got to skate these trucks they felt so good, excited to break them in on this board!

(https://i.ibb.co/pLL4JBp/image0-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pLL4JBp)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kzb5F1q/image0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kzb5F1q)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on January 05, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
I couldn't get ahold of 55's, so I set my Shin up with some 44's and it seems to be working ok so far.
I'm also running a wider wheel (OG classics) so that helps make up for some of the width difference.
For skinnier wheels (reg classics) I would definitely prefer 55's...

(https://i.ibb.co/txNn74p/SHIN-44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPd7b6v)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on January 05, 2021, 04:19:19 PM
I couldn't get ahold of 55's, so I set my Shin up with some 44's and it seems to be working ok so far.
I'm also running a wider wheel (OG classics) so that helps make up for some of the width difference.
For skinnier wheels (reg classics) I would definitely prefer 55's...

(https://i.ibb.co/txNn74p/SHIN-44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPd7b6v)

Nice!  I have some Conical Full 56's coming, so hoping for a playful cruiser that can haul, but I can still do some flip tricks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 05, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
My current set of 44s is almost axled with a rattling kingpin and sometimes makes boards sound dead, but it also makes certain boards feel somehow alive, as in it gives them so much springy pop that they feel like they're actively trying to help me do tricks.  My only pair of 55s has a savagely bent hanger--not the end of the axle, like I've done with other trucks, but the hanger starting about an inch from the yoke.  I'm working on getting warranty service for them now, because those shits are fucked up, but I really liked them.  I'm skating more transition than I used to and want to set up a new 8.75 bowl board as soon as the warranty comes through.  Anyway, I love Aces, but I can tell that they are just not as good for certain things as other trucks. 

I got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25.  I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them.  It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.  Both have pretty similar feeling pop to me, strangely, but I get way more wheelbite on the Thunders with 54mm radials worn down a couple mm (my 44s have 56mm Classic Fulls and they barely wheelbite), even though I'm riding them medium-loose and I weigh 170.  I dunno, looking forward to keeping comparing and contrasting. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 05, 2021, 05:40:53 PM
Yeah, Stinky I rotate between Ace and Thunder also. I think Thunder wheel bite easier bc of the geometry. Something about the way Ace turns, keeps it from wheel biting so much despite a similar height. Just a theory but Ace seem to 'hook' under the deck more. Thunders turn quick but with less of a curve in the turn or 'hook.' I don't know if that's the best way to describe it or not. Anyway, I like them both.

On another note, I'm hoping the new sizes are out soon. On their website, they have BA riding 66s and Raven riding 55s. I'm guessing this is a nod to the new sizes with the new 55s being 8.5" and 66s being 8.75".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 05, 2021, 06:15:55 PM
Yeah, Stinky I rotate between Ace and Thunder also. I think Thunder wheel bite easier bc of the geometry. Something about the way Ace turns, keeps it from wheel biting so much despite a similar height. Just a theory but Ace seem to 'hook' under the deck more. Thunders turn quick but with less of a curve in the turn or 'hook.' I don't know if that's the best way to describe it or not. Anyway, I like them both.

On another note, I'm hoping the new sizes are out soon. On their website, they have BA riding 66s and Raven riding 55s. I'm guessing this is a nod to the new sizes with the new 55s being 8.5" and 66s being 8.75".

That’s exactly it. The way I understand it, trucks turn by pivoting when you lean on them to make a portion of a circle that you trace with your turn. Aces can pivot a whole bunch before they lean enough to hit the wheel wells, which probably has something to do with how much they shrink the wheelbase.  Nothing else like them. Still excited to give Thunders a go, but the cold weather is putting a damper on breaking in new trucks and is definitely pushing me towards Aces or even my stage 8 Indys right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 05, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
New trucks in winter are a big no no.

 Thunders feel so so different to Ace but I find a broken in pair of 151s on 1'8" risers to suit most of my needs. There's nothing spicy going on. They are predictable, stable when you want them to be and turn super quick when you need it. I've never had speed wobble on loose Thunders. Another thing.... When a deck seems to be all mushed out as its nearing the end of its useful life, I can take my Aces off and put the Thunders on and it feels snappier, stiffer and more responsive again. But when Ace do an 8.75" that turn might be too much for me to resist. That could be the truck I grind to Valhalla on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 05, 2021, 06:42:38 PM
New trucks in winter are a big no no.

 Thunders feel so so different to Ace but I find a broken in pair of 151s on 1'8" risers to suit most of my needs. There's nothing spicy going on. They are predictable, stable when you want them to be and turn super quick when you need it. I've never had speed wobble on loose Thunders. Another thing.... When a deck seems to be all mushed out as its nearing the end of its useful life, I can take my Aces off and put the Thunders on and it feels snappier, stiffer and more responsive again. But when Ace do an 8.75" that turn might be too much for me to resist. That could be the truck I grind to Valhalla on.

I do the same thing with aging decks. Ace to Indy to bring a little life back or Ace/Indy to Thunder or Venture if it’s a mellower deck to bring it back to life
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 05, 2021, 08:19:11 PM
New trucks in winter are a big no no.

 Thunders feel so so different to Ace but I find a broken in pair of 151s on 1'8" risers to suit most of my needs. There's nothing spicy going on. They are predictable, stable when you want them to be and turn super quick when you need it. I've never had speed wobble on loose Thunders. Another thing.... When a deck seems to be all mushed out as its nearing the end of its useful life, I can take my Aces off and put the Thunders on and it feels snappier, stiffer and more responsive again. But when Ace do an 8.75" that turn might be too much for me to resist. That could be the truck I grind to Valhalla on.

Yeah, I may need to head south and visit my folks if I want to get those Thunders in working order before the thaw.  You're making me want to try some 151s (like I needed the help getting truck madness), even though I rarely ride a board that wide.  I actually only ever have one setup over 8.38" going at any given time, and, god forgive me, I really love running 159 forged hollows with Ace bushings on it.  Obviously, an Ace in that size is preferable, so here's to hoping.

I do the same thing with aging decks. Ace to Indy to bring a little life back or Ace/Indy to Thunder or Venture if it’s a mellower deck to bring it back to life

Excellent suggestions, both of you.  If Ace ever fixes the weird softness they seem to bring to a setup, I will also ask to be buried with those trucks. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 05, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
New trucks in winter are a big no no.

Seriously. The breaking in of ice cold new bushings, a fresh hanger with no grooves slipping all over dusty coping at an indoor, yuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: wheelieshuvit on January 05, 2021, 11:21:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONNP_Cc_MU
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on January 06, 2021, 12:46:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONNP_Cc_MU
Funny because he's running Indy as of mid/late last year!
Need to watch though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 06, 2021, 06:57:00 AM
He's been on Indy for several years.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 06, 2021, 07:23:07 AM
I got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25.  I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them.  It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.

As someone who does a ton of slappy crooks, yep. This is the kind of shit that gives me the madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 06, 2021, 09:10:43 AM
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Seriously. The breaking in of ice cold new bushings, a fresh hanger with no grooves slipping all over dusty coping at an indoor, yuck.

The stuff of nightmares.

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I got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25.  I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them.  It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.
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As someone who does a ton of slappy crooks, yep. This is the kind of shit that gives me the madness.

Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 06, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
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New trucks in winter are a big no no.
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Seriously. The breaking in of ice cold new bushings, a fresh hanger with no grooves slipping all over dusty coping at an indoor, yuck.
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The stuff of nightmares.

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I got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25.  I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them.  It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.
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As someone who does a ton of slappy crooks, yep. This is the kind of shit that gives me the madness.
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Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.

So I ended up switching my Aces out for some Indys on my lunch break and I must be fully used to Ace. Indys didn't feel easier to crook and I put the Aces back on. Feeling much better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on January 06, 2021, 11:47:56 AM
He's been on Indy for several years.
Damn, you're right! Feels like it was last year (2019, still not used to it being 2021) in my mind because I remember the switch and thinking Ace of Ace was pretty funny. Guess it was back in 2018. Where did that time go? Lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 06, 2021, 12:06:59 PM
Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.

I think the best advice for truck madness is focusing on what aspect of a truck is the most important, then choose based on that. Mine is turning, and no other truck can get me that turning satisfaction like Ace. A Thunder or Venture might make me feel more stable, an Indy might put my mind at ease with a titanium truck that I wont have any bending/breaking issues...but none of it matters in the end because I need to feel that insane turning ability under my feet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on January 07, 2021, 08:01:54 AM
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Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.
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I think the best advice for truck madness is focusing on what aspect of a truck is the most important, then choose based on that. Mine is turning, and no other truck can get me that turning satisfaction like Ace. A Thunder or Venture might make me feel more stable, an Indy might put my mind at ease with a titanium truck that I wont have any bending/breaking issues...but none of it matters in the end because I need to feel that insane turning ability under my feet.

I'm with you on that one. I'm the same, I need to have the best turn possible while not worrying too much about wheelbite, and Ace delivers just that. Honorable mentions to Indy though, a very close second, and they last longer, which is another important part for me. I usually rotate between Ace 44s and Indy 159s, depending on the deck dimensions, but Ace is where I feel most at home.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on January 07, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
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I think the best advice for truck madness is focusing on what aspect of a truck is the most important, then choose based on that. Mine is turning, and no other truck can get me that turning satisfaction like Ace. A Thunder or Venture might make me feel more stable, an Indy might put my mind at ease with a titanium truck that I wont have any bending/breaking issues...but none of it matters in the end because I need to feel that insane turning ability under my feet.
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I'm with you on that one. I'm the same, I need to have the best turn possible while not worrying too much about wheelbite, and Ace delivers just that. Honorable mentions to Indy though, a very close second, and they last longer, which is another important part for me. I usually rotate between Ace 44s and Indy 159s, depending on the deck dimensions, but Ace is where I feel most at home.

I more or less adhere to this strategy, but also try to have my cake and eat it too.  I generally skate Anti Hero and $lave boards (all 8.25 or 8.38/8.4, with the exception of a 8.88 bowl board with 159s) these days, more or less exclusively.  I get steeper concave on the Anti Hero boards, which means Ace gets the job done there.  I can skate anything on those setups. 

$lave uses a pretty average concave, which gives a lot more flexibility with what works, truck-wise, and I've used that as an opportunity to go between Venture and stage 8 146s (a seriously great truck, and I'm lucky to have two pairs with good axles that don't slip).  I tend to skate more ledge/rail/flat with those boards since that is where those setups seem to shine.  Now I'll probably phase out the Ventures for Thunders, since I like how they pinch better, like I mentioned upthread.

In the end, though, Ace is still my favorite.  The 44 just gets more things right than about any other truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on January 10, 2021, 07:44:38 PM
With ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on January 10, 2021, 07:52:21 PM
With ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.
whats wrong with your stock ace bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on January 13, 2021, 11:57:40 AM
Any Ace 55/66 riders that can tell how they ride? Kinda contemplating on Ace or Indy for my next pair of trucks. Mostly been riding curbs and flatground these days so would like to know if anyone has done similar type of skating with them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
They ride faster turning than Indy and are heavy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on January 13, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
With ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.
indy cylinder bushings might fit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 05:06:48 PM
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indy cylinder bushings might fit

That's what I did - I took out the white stock from a set of Indy special editions and put them in a set of Ace trucks I had (just to see if anyone else noticed a difference, because they didn't want to ride orange Indy bushings in Ace trucks) and I thought they worked better than the stock bushings, but that is just me.

I did find it funny that two other guys who ride Ace thought they turned better / were more stable with the Indy bushings, but personal preference comes into it a lot.

Ace stock were 85 duro, but the Indy stock were 90, so they were a bit more stable, which is why those guys liked them more.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 05:09:30 PM
Any Ace 55/66 riders that can tell how they ride? Kinda contemplating on Ace or Indy for my next pair of trucks. Mostly been riding curbs and flatground these days so would like to know if anyone has done similar type of skating with them?

I have / had boards set up with both Ace 55 and 66, as well as my usual rides on Indy of all sizes, and they all work well for what I was wanting.

I know some people will swear by Ace more so than Indy, but I found Indy to be that bit thicker, stronger and longer lasting overall, with more options, but as far as the Ace truck goes, they work fine, no issues, skate well, etc.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 13, 2021, 05:15:12 PM
Any Ace 55/66 riders that can tell how they ride? Kinda contemplating on Ace or Indy for my next pair of trucks. Mostly been riding curbs and flatground these days so would like to know if anyone has done similar type of skating with them?

They’re stable, turny, and heavy as shit. I love my set though I have them on a curb board right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on January 13, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Indy bushings (169) feel way softer than ace bushings (55) to me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 06:59:18 PM
Indy bushings (169) feel way softer than ace bushings (55) to me

It was weird, but I think the difference between well worn in bushings might be different to the first session just riding new trucks bushings.  These were well worn in and definitely not new Indy trucks, so could be different to the current Indy orange bushings.

I wonder if they have changed the duro on bushings at all too, but I had noticed the stock Indy ones started off very squishy and get a bit more solid once they wear in, but then if they blow out, they get all kinds of loosey goosey.

Probably should take a set off each off the new sets of trucks I have and compare sizes / then put them in the same trucks on one of my regular boards and done up to the same height (as per bushing height) and see how they feel.

That and comparing the height of kingpin, washers, etc.

I might be going down the rabbit hole with that one though!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on January 16, 2021, 05:58:27 AM
When are the updated aces supposed to be dropping? Want to wait for those before trying a pair out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 16, 2021, 07:57:40 AM
When are the updated aces supposed to be dropping? Want to wait for those before trying a pair out.

I was told this spring a little while back from someone on Ace's IG. I've since deleted my account, so no screenshot, sorry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 17, 2021, 12:47:33 AM
Is the only difference between the baseplates on ace low and high the kingpin length?  I found some brand new magnesium plates online but they are listed as low.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on January 17, 2021, 10:19:17 AM
When are the updated aces supposed to be dropping? Want to wait for those before trying a pair out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on January 20, 2021, 06:40:17 PM
Does anyone here skate the 33s? I've only skated 44's but was thinking of sizing my whole setup down a little bit and was wondering how they compare or what people's feelings are on them. Currently skating 44's on an 8.75 because I like a pretty intense magic carpet feeling... was thinking of doing 33's on a 8.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 20, 2021, 06:48:58 PM
Does anyone here skate the 33s? I've only skated 44's but was thinking of sizing my whole setup down a little bit and was wondering how they compare or what people's feelings are on them. Currently skating 44's on an 8.75 because I like a pretty intense magic carpet feeling... was thinking of doing 33's on a 8.25

I’m skating 33’s on an 8’ right now. Not too different from 44’s aside from the obvious size difference. I had 44’s on a 8.75 a couple years ago and loved it, but if the magic carpet feeling is a problem you shouldn’t feel it as much on an 8.25 on 33’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:01 PM
Does anyone here skate the 33s? I've only skated 44's but was thinking of sizing my whole setup down a little bit and was wondering how they compare or what people's feelings are on them. Currently skating 44's on an 8.75 because I like a pretty intense magic carpet feeling... was thinking of doing 33's on a 8.25

You probably have it set up as you like it (magic carpet), but as you already have them, you could try the 44s on a smaller deck first and see how it rides.

I just found that 33s are just too narrow for my liking when I set them up on an 8.125 that I had 139s and 144s on (usually on Indy 149s on 8.38 nowdays so everything else feels small) even though it would still give the same effect sized down, I wonder if it might also be too narrow for you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2021, 07:20:54 PM
I haven’t had 33s for a bit, got some on the way from the good dude. Anyways, I swear, this is first gen, mind you, that they used to say they were something like 7.9 wide. Without measuring I’d say ace have slightly smaller hangers, causing the axles to be longer, which allows for more wheel positions via speed rings. Take all of that with a pile of salt.
I like 8” trucks the best. I’ve had 33s on 8.25. Fondly remember that setup. I’m short, size 10 shoe. For reference. Wider shit has never helped me unlock anything, it can, occasionally, feel more comfy. But I don’t skate any better.
Plus 33s look the coolest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2021, 07:29:54 PM
I skated 33's years ago on an 8.125 and 8.18, they were fun as hell. I had to go back to 44's though, on transition even a 8.38" wide truck is cutting it close to being a little too skinny for catching coping and overall stability. I agree the 33's look better because they retain that classic more svelt look.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on January 21, 2021, 06:55:41 PM
I love my ace 55. I recently sold my indy 169 ti because they just didn't click with me. I was thinking of getting some thunder 161s but couldn't find any in stock around me. I turned to the ace 55 because my local had some. Initial thoughts were holy shit these are surfy and fun but bushings were way to soft and I was suffering from had wheelbite. Im 220lb and have always had trouble with getting trucks loose enough to turn without getting bad wheelbite. I experiment with bushings alot and either end up with something firm and stable enough but can't get quick deep turns or soft enough to turn like i want but suffer from the wheelbite again. These ace trucks are the answer for me. I'm running mini logo 100a barrels board side and bones hard road side with the washer they come with. This feels perfect. Plenty firm and stable enough but these trucks just turn when I want them to and they turn deep. I can hardly get the wheels to touch the board. I am stoked!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2021, 04:21:31 PM
Also posted in Trucks thread, but thought some people might like it in the Ace thread too.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.9750

I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.

Looks like he did it right.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 22, 2021, 06:01:44 PM
I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.

I remember seeing that Grosso (RIP) had his Aces set up this way, too. I assume it's a Krux downlow kingpin with an epoxied nut at the bottom?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
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I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.
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I remember seeing that Grosso (RIP) had his Aces set up this way, too. I assume it's a Krux downlow kingpin with an epoxied nut at the bottom?

Looks like it, from the third pic on that instagram post.

That guy has some amazing modifications and well worth looking through his previous posts on instagram.

I wanted to put up a few more, but thought I might be posting too much.

Things like cutting down 55s to make them spot on 8.5 wide trucks, changing out kingpins for those inverted ones, making his own boards, changing and cutting down Vans Sk8 hi to mid...  the list goes on.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 23, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
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I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.
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I remember seeing that Grosso (RIP) had his Aces set up this way, too. I assume it's a Krux downlow kingpin with an epoxied nut at the bottom?
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Looks like it, from the third pic on that instagram post.

That guy has some amazing modifications and well worth looking through his previous posts on instagram.

I wanted to put up a few more, but thought I might be posting too much.

Things like cutting down 55s to make them spot on 8.5 wide trucks, changing out kingpins for those inverted ones, making his own boards, changing and cutting down Vans Sk8 hi to mid...  the list goes on.

My kinda skate dork
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on January 24, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Also posted in Trucks thread, but thought some people might like it in the Ace thread too.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.9750

I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.

Looks like he did it right.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/
This post of his is an even better step-by-step tutorial on how to do this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDj8qxXFGqK/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on January 28, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 28, 2021, 09:10:30 AM
I've done 55s on an 8.5". Its doable but not ideal if you like to flip the board. If you're skating transition and not getting too tech its pretty fun. You can always use skinnier wheels and no inside washers to keep it tighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on January 28, 2021, 09:32:24 AM
Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.

I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on January 28, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
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Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
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I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 28, 2021, 10:11:49 AM
I've learned trucks wider than deck is no fun for me, less turn and more wheelbite. 44's with 2 washers on the inside works great for 8.5. For 8.6-8.8" I run three washers on the inside with wide wheels and it's pretty much flush with the deck. Never have a "magic carpet" feeling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 28, 2021, 11:04:13 AM
I've learned trucks wider than deck is no fun for me, less turn and more wheelbite. 44's with 2 washers on the inside works great for 8.5. For 8.6-8.8" I run three washers on the inside with wide wheels and it's pretty much flush with the deck. Never have a "magic carpet" feeling.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 28, 2021, 11:04:51 AM
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Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
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I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
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what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?

Second the question about which boards with 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on January 28, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
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Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
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I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
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what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?

I prefer steeper kicks and between 14.38-.5 on wheelbase, don't really pay attention to fingers of flat
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on January 28, 2021, 12:33:40 PM
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Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
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I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
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what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?
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Second the question about which boards with 55s

Never owned a set of 55s, I personally ride 44s with 3 washers inside each wheel on 8.5 decks, but a friend of mine had a 8.75 Quasi with 55s and it was a hell of a lot of fun to ride. I had a rough time flipping it, especially nollie tricks, but it was amazing on transition. Only rode it for a couple laps in the park, but it felt really good under my feet, made me want to get a set just for tranny.

It didn't really feel like it hot rodded much tbh, or at least I didn't notice it did at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on January 28, 2021, 03:18:50 PM
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Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
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I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
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what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?
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I prefer steeper kicks and between 14.38-.5 on wheelbase, don't really pay attention to fingers of flat
TKF 8.75
Mellow kicks
14.5-.6
1.5-2 fingers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ryantology on February 01, 2021, 05:07:02 PM
Retired my 44s recently after the pivot cups blew out even though they had a lot of life left in the hangers. They just felt too squirrelly.

Is there a pivot cup replacement that anyone would recommend that holds up better?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 01, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
Retired my 44s recently after the pivot cups blew out even though they had a lot of life left in the hangers. They just felt too squirrelly.

Is there a pivot cup replacement that anyone would recommend that holds up better?
riptide
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 01, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
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Retired my 44s recently after the pivot cups blew out even though they had a lot of life left in the hangers. They just felt too squirrelly.

Is there a pivot cup replacement that anyone would recommend that holds up better?
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riptide

Off giving you the real.

Ryantology: do you even madness bro?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on February 01, 2021, 07:19:40 PM
Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.

Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.

Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??

https://www.mesadistribution.com/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 01, 2021, 07:29:07 PM
Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.

Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.

Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??

https://www.mesadistribution.com/
why did you need a replacement?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 01, 2021, 09:26:14 PM
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Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.

Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.

Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??

https://www.mesadistribution.com/
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why did you need a replacement?

Crazy bent axle (hurdy gurdy) video wasn't it??

That one of putting the truck with wheel etc still on in the vice, axle vertically placed and spinning it to see the other end of the axle going round like a drunk clown.

That was a good trick to see if axles are bent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on February 02, 2021, 09:11:17 AM
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 02, 2021, 09:16:11 AM
Yes. 44 or 55? have tried risers and tried without. Haven’t tried larger wheel. Think it’s finding the right combo of wheel base and kicks and fingers of flat? And adjustment period. Haven’t tried and skated enough (winter) to really adjust and know for sure. Considering 55 on 8.75” with a longer wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 02, 2021, 09:35:04 AM
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?

Yeah, for sure. In early 2020 I got slappy crazy and switched to Ace as my main truck because I love the turn and the grind. But it did mess with my pop, which I brushed off because of how much I enjoyed them otherwise. Eventually I started running a riser and skating steeper kicks, which went a long way.

I should mention this is all with 44s. I have some 55s that were super fun but no matter what I did I just couldn't get the right pop with them so they have been retired. The 44s are on my cruiser/park setup RN, and I have been running ventures on my main.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on February 02, 2021, 09:42:27 AM
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
Yes, and for me the answer was adding .125" to the wb of the deck, and a 3mm riser pad to get it closer to what I was used to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 02, 2021, 09:45:32 AM
I don’t understand what the factors are in setups that yield good pop for me with aces. Right now, the most popping setup I have is 33’s on an old ps 8x14x31.5. I’m tempted to say tail length, but that doesn’t really checkout, nor mean shit that’s helpful for you. Playing with your foot positioning might help, meaning moving popping foot further up/down the kick. The idea being that ace changed the wb/length of the kick, fairly significantly compared to others, and ....then my mind freezes. I’m going with what works.
Most folks like steeper decks with ace, my best experiences have been on mellow girl or ps boards, boards that I would have thought would work better with ventures, say.
Bigger wheels helped one setup.
The real wood risers are nice, and bring you up to current stage indy cast plate height.
As an aside, I’d like a shorter riser, 3mm adds a significant amount of larger wheel options, I don’t need nearly that much.
Wish I had something helpful to share, but my shit is all gibberish.
Condensed: yes ace has a weirder pop, no I’ve got no idea what fixes it, but it can be fixed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on February 02, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
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Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.

Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.

Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??

https://www.mesadistribution.com/
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why did you need a replacement?
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Crazy bent axle (hurdy gurdy) video wasn't it??


Yep that was me, dual bent axles. @jay_nev the vids are back on page 90 if you want to peep.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 02, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
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Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.

Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.

Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??

https://www.mesadistribution.com/
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why did you need a replacement?
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Crazy bent axle (hurdy gurdy) video wasn't it??

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Yep that was me, dual bent axles. @jay_nev the vids are back on page 90 if you want to peep.
yeah I remember! Going to test it with my 55’s later as they aren’t mounted at the moment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on February 02, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
Super tempted to change my setup but not sure yet. Im currently on 8.5/31.8/14.2 board with Aces and they make board feel super short. It feels good on smaller stuff but not that stable on ramps. Thinking on trying 32-32.5 length and 14.375-14.5 WB next since I don't flip much nowadays amd skate more transition and curbs. Anyone ride aces and 14.5wb, how is it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on February 02, 2021, 02:06:44 PM
Super tempted to change my setup but not sure yet. Im currently on 8.5/31.8/14.2 board with Aces and they make board feel super short. It feels good on smaller stuff but not that stable on ramps. Thinking on trying 32-32.5 length and 14.375-14.5 WB next since I don't flip much nowadays amd skate more transition and curbs. Anyone ride aces and 14.5wb, how is it?

sounds like youre on a FA rn? I'm on a FA rn as well but last 2 boards were a polar and frog 14.5wb and I honestly loved it for skating bowls and such. Much more stable and control which seems to be what youre looking for.

Ever since I switched to Aces though, wheelbase hasn't been too much of a factor for me compared to when I was skating indys. Like I can go from a 14 to 14.5wb easily and only feel the difference when i skate transition. On indys a 14.3wb feels too long for me, but on aces 14.5 feels just right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RoadSodas on February 02, 2021, 03:10:56 PM
Apparently I'm weird and like my board and w/b to be super short. Currently on a Blood Wizard 8.5 with a 14.25' W/B and Ace 44's and loveeeee this setup for everything, though I mainly skate tranny. Came from skating 169's on a 8.5 for a really long time. Getting use to the smaller truck didn't take long, getting way less wheel bite and again I prefer the shorter W/B for when I do skate street stuff too. I do 3 washers on the inside of the wheel and bought wider OJ 54MM Hardlines to try and makeup the difference and it's great. Perfect world Ace makes a 8.625 truck but until then...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on February 02, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
Just switched from a 14.375 wb to 14.25 with 44s. Only had 1 session and a half ass post work sesh. But so far I think 14.375 with ace may be. My sweet spot. Hoping the 14.25 helps me learn some shit though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on February 02, 2021, 07:42:35 PM
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?

Here's my experience, switching to Ace and Theeve after 16 years on Indy. I still have a 35" ollie, and  popping up and over high stuff has always sort of been my specialty. I was prepared to having to adjust, but I was scared about how it would affect my ollie. Much to my surprise, it didn't. I was on forged indy's for about a year before the switch, so the height difference wasn't too noticeable. I also happened to bump up in wheel size around that time, so it didn't really affect my timing. I've also heard people complain about a dead feeling pop, but to me it was an improvement over forged baseplates. I've sometimes wondered if I shouldn't ride such a short WB with the offset already being so tight on Ace, but I'm ok as long as the tail is short and somewhat steep.

tl;dr: no

My setup:
8.25 / 31" / 14.00WB, medium concave, short tail
Indy ti 144 ---> Ace 44 (and theeve 5.5)
52-54mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on February 02, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
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Super tempted to change my setup but not sure yet. Im currently on 8.5/31.8/14.2 board with Aces and they make board feel super short. It feels good on smaller stuff but not that stable on ramps. Thinking on trying 32-32.5 length and 14.375-14.5 WB next since I don't flip much nowadays amd skate more transition and curbs. Anyone ride aces and 14.5wb, how is it?
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sounds like youre on a FA rn? I'm on a FA rn as well but last 2 boards were a polar and frog 14.5wb and I honestly loved it for skating bowls and such. Much more stable and control which seems to be what youre looking for.

Ever since I switched to Aces though, wheelbase hasn't been too much of a factor for me compared to when I was skating indys. Like I can go from a 14 to 14.5wb easily and only feel the difference when i skate transition. On indys a 14.3wb feels too long for me, but on aces 14.5 feels just right.

This is what I experienced with Indys and that's why Im not sure about the change now. My last board was 14.375 and hated it with Indys since it felt way too long. Now Aces and 14.2 feels kinda stubby.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 02, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
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Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
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Here's my experience, switching to Ace and Theeve after 16 years on Indy. I still have a 35" ollie, and  popping up and over high stuff has always sort of been my specialty. I was prepared to having to adjust, but I was scared about how it would affect my ollie. Much to my surprise, it didn't. I was on forged indy's for about a year before the switch, so the height difference wasn't too noticeable. I also happened to bump up in wheel size around that time, so it didn't really affect my timing. I've also heard people complain about a dead feeling pop, but to me it was an improvement over forged baseplates. I've sometimes wondered if I shouldn't ride such a short WB with the offset already being so tight on Ace, but I'm ok as long as the tail is short and somewhat steep.

tl;dr: no

My setup:
8.25 / 31" / 14.00WB, medium concave, short tail
Indy ti 144 ---> Ace 44 (and theeve 5.5)
52-54mm


A: GODDAMN 35” is no joke, almost a tennis net.

B: what is this 8.25x14x31 board?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on February 05, 2021, 09:42:11 AM
Tempted to try some Ace 55s after skating Venture 5.8/6.1s for the past year.  Thinking about pairing them with one of the new Hockey 8.75s or 9.00s that have longer wheelbases.  Might regret it - I really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck... 

Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 05, 2021, 09:49:47 AM
I really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck... 

Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?

me too!

and

yes!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on February 05, 2021, 10:18:08 AM
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I really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck... 

Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?
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me too!

and

yes!

Sweet! Let the great experiment begin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on February 05, 2021, 10:20:44 AM
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I really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck... 

Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?
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me too!

and

yes!
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Sweet! Let the great experiment begin
dang, i may have to try some 6.1s now too.  haven't had ventures since the early-mid 90s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LordManHammer on February 05, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 05, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.
ace trucks... light??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on February 05, 2021, 11:25:15 AM
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The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.
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ace trucks... light??

I'm confused by that post too, are they talking pinch with ACE? The word light doesn't belong for sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on February 05, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
My ACE trucks are lighter than my titanium Indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on February 05, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
ace have that same thing indy has going on for me where your board feels light while you're skating and popping off the ground but they feel heavy in your hands.

when I switched ace for ventures I was surprised at how they felt lighter in my hands but made my board feel heavier under my feet.

thunder were the neutral ones where they felt light in my hands and felt light under my feet and popping the board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 05, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
ace have that same thing indy has going on for me where your board feels light while you're skating and popping off the ground but they feel heavy in your hands.

when I switched ace for ventures I was surprised at how they felt lighter in my hands but made my board feel heavier under my feet.

thunder were the neutral ones where they felt light in my hands and felt light under my feet and popping the board.

I think that’s a function of how Aces pull the wheelbase in compared to Ventures which push it out a bit more. My thinking is that it takes less force to push the tail to the ground if the wb is pulled in and the opposite when it’s pulled out, which would be where the lighter/heavier feeling on the board comes from.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 05, 2021, 01:27:45 PM
My ACE trucks are lighter than my titanium Indys

That's cause you got ultra rare $90 worth mag plates dude ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on February 05, 2021, 01:46:43 PM
Does a mag baseplate make the truck that noticeably lighter? Just curious because I've never skated hollow trucks or anything other than the standard models.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 06, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.

ace isnt known to have the best pinch
in fact compared to thunder and venture its pretty ass
compared to indy its slightly worse
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 06, 2021, 06:09:54 PM
Does a mag baseplate make the truck that noticeably lighter? Just curious because I've never skated hollow trucks or anything other than the standard models.

Yes. When you hold it in your hand. Not so much when it's on your board. Mag plates + Krux pins is noticeably lighter over all, even on the board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on February 06, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
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The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.
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ace isnt known to have the best pinch
in fact compared to thunder and venture its pretty ass
compared to indy its slightly worse
Of all that's been said about Ace, pinch I can't remember being mentioned once.
That being said, the pinch is different just like any other truck would differ.
Compared to Indy's, Ace do not pop you out of a trick like Indy's would (thinking crooked grinds).
That's a geometry factor which is why Ace also have such a responsive turn. It's a trade off.
Indy's have a stiffer response and are still great trucks.
Thunders have an even greater difference in geometry than the other two and are lower in height.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gazza on February 07, 2021, 07:09:35 AM
Gonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on February 07, 2021, 07:42:49 AM
Gonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25

How often do you switch board size. General consensus around here is 44 on 8.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gazza on February 07, 2021, 10:13:56 AM
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Gonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25
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How often do you switch board size. General consensus around here is 44 on 8.25

Usually stay on that size but would only go up if I switch do guess 44s are the way to go. Just not a fan of seeing anything poking out when I look down but hopefully won’t be a problem
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on February 07, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
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Gonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25
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How often do you switch board size. General consensus around here is 44 on 8.25
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Usually stay on that size but would only go up if I switch do guess 44s are the way to go. Just not a fan of seeing anything poking out when I look down but hopefully won’t be a problem

I'm riding 44 on 8.25. 2washers on the inside one on the outside. I don’t get any hot rod it come pretty flush
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on February 08, 2021, 05:59:24 PM
Pulled the trigger and picked up some Ace 55s. Has anyone skated 55s on an 8.5? Was the board flip-able?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on February 08, 2021, 06:28:03 PM
Pulled the trigger and picked up some Ace 55s. Has anyone skated 55s on an 8.5? Was the board flip-able?

Here is a 10-year old Japanese girl flipping a longboard.

You should be ok on your monster 8.5

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKN_b7UhndV/?igshid=hqf3cjp6hdc0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on February 08, 2021, 06:28:34 PM
My ACE trucks are lighter than my titanium Indys

Ace 44s weigh even more than Indy 159 Ti (395g v.346g). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on February 08, 2021, 06:30:56 PM
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ace isnt known to have the best pinch
in fact compared to thunder and venture its pretty ass
compared to indy its slightly worse

A light Ace with good pinch? Must have them confused with Thunders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 08, 2021, 10:47:27 PM
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Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
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Here's my experience, switching to Ace and Theeve after 16 years on Indy. I still have a 35" ollie, and  popping up and over high stuff has always sort of been my specialty. I was prepared to having to adjust, but I was scared about how it would affect my ollie. Much to my surprise, it didn't. I was on forged indy's for about a year before the switch, so the height difference wasn't too noticeable. I also happened to bump up in wheel size around that time, so it didn't really affect my timing. I've also heard people complain about a dead feeling pop, but to me it was an improvement over forged baseplates. I've sometimes wondered if I shouldn't ride such a short WB with the offset already being so tight on Ace, but I'm ok as long as the tail is short and somewhat steep.

tl;dr: no

My setup:
8.25 / 31" / 14.00WB, medium concave, short tail
Indy ti 144 ---> Ace 44 (and theeve 5.5)
52-54mm
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A: GODDAMN 35” is no joke, almost a tennis net.

B: what is this 8.25x14x31 board?

Curious about the board as well
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 09, 2021, 01:58:24 PM
According to this blog, dated Nov 2020, the new Ace trucks will be called AF 1s and will be out in April 2021. They also say, the 'Classic' line will stay in production...

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/ (https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/)

The question is who is going to DM Joey T, Shrewgy or Ace like a man??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on February 09, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
I commented on an Ace post from January 19 asking when the new ones are going to drop and they just replied with the crystal ball emoji.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on February 09, 2021, 08:04:05 PM
I commented on an Ace post from January 19 asking when the new ones are going to drop and they just replied with the crystal ball emoji.
Which will I get first: the new Aces, or a covid vaccine?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 09, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
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I commented on an Ace post from January 19 asking when the new ones are going to drop and they just replied with the crystal ball emoji.
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Which will I get first: the new Aces, or a covid vaccine?

We all know it’ll be the Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kimura on February 09, 2021, 08:40:38 PM
Hopefully the new Ace trucks will have 8.75” axles in the line up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 09, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Hopefully the new Ace trucks will have 8.75” axles in the line up

I hope so. That's what we've been hearing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on February 10, 2021, 12:42:36 AM
Aren't Ace and Thunder 149 the same height at the axles?

Or .5 off ?

I keep seeing how Ace are bigger but they aren't really
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 10, 2021, 07:43:02 PM
Aren't Ace and Thunder 149 the same height at the axles?

Or .5 off ?

I keep seeing how Ace are bigger but they aren't really

pretty sure the new 149s are a tad bit taller.

does anyone know if ace bushings work well in thunders?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on February 10, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Anyone have experience with the 00s? I found the element woody I bought when I was like 16 and I want to trick it out with aces and rat bones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: KillDayoy on February 10, 2021, 08:40:40 PM
Anyone have experience with the 00s? I found the element woody I bought when I was like 16 and I want to trick it out with aces and rat bones.

I have them on a little cruiser with some 60mm OJ hot juices and 1/4in risers. Also put coned bottom bushings in to make it super carvey and it's probably the most fun board I've ever pushed around on
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on February 10, 2021, 09:35:10 PM
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Anyone have experience with the 00s? I found the element woody I bought when I was like 16 and I want to trick it out with aces and rat bones.
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I have them on a little cruiser with some 60mm OJ hot juices and 1/4in risers. Also put coned bottom bushings in to make it super carvey and it's probably the most fun board I've ever pushed around on
I'm sold
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 10, 2021, 10:55:23 PM
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on February 11, 2021, 08:03:45 PM
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards

Ace and thunder bottom bushings are the same height (14mm). Ace top bushings are 12mm. Thunders are 10mm. So, maybe a tad wonky??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on February 12, 2021, 07:19:09 AM
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do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards
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Ace and thunder bottom bushings are the same height (14mm). Ace top bushings are 12mm. Thunders are 10mm. So, maybe a tad wonky??

ACE low top bushings are 10mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaderSk8r on February 12, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards

regular ace top bushing on bottom, bones soft on top. Thank me latter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 12, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards

I just use a set of ace low bushings in my thunders and they work wonderfully. Really good turn but reduced wheelbite and you can run both washers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 12, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
Ace Classic Bushing Set
Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness

Ace Low Bushing Set
Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness

thunder top 10mm / bottom 14 mm correct? so you need ace lo top and ace classic bottom if that info is correct
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on February 12, 2021, 09:55:48 AM
you need ace lo top and ace classic bottom if that info is correct
Exactly. Makes Indy's turn almost as good as ACE. Never tried it with thunders, though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hellawatters on February 12, 2021, 10:13:41 AM
Does anyone know what the expected changes for the new aces are? Heard something about changing axle widths or hollow king pins, is it all speculation right now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on February 12, 2021, 10:30:14 AM
According to this blog, dated Nov 2020, the new Ace trucks will be called AF 1s and will be out in April 2021. They also say, the 'Classic' line will stay in production...

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/ (https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/)

The question is who is going to DM Joey T, Shrewgy or Ace like a man??
wait... if they're keeping the classics and the rumor of the size shift is true, are they gonna have a separate size chart?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 12, 2021, 10:36:15 AM
Take it to the DMs like a man.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 12, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
Chatter I’ve picked up over the wire indicates a forged/hollow configuration for the AF-1 line. No verifiable intel on new widths at this time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on February 12, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
I was about to get some Aces or some titanium indys, guess I should hold out and see what this drop is
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on February 22, 2021, 05:09:01 AM
Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:

(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)

Sorry to chime in on this so late but catching up on 90+ pages of Ace chat takes a good few minutes ;)

Surely adding risers to Ace trucks and having such a short wheel base would make the timing of the ollie feel super delayed?

Does anyone else agree with Ben Degros that Ace trucks fall out of the crooked grind pinch?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on February 22, 2021, 05:14:27 AM
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Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:

(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)
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Sorry to chime in on this so late but catching up on 90+ pages of Ace chat takes a good few minutes ;)

Surely adding risers to Ace trucks and having such a short wheel base would make the timing of the ollie feel super delayed?

Does anyone else agree with Ben Degros that Ace trucks fall out of the crooked grind pinch?


I suck at crooked grinds. But I will say I felt a better pinch on venture  than ace. I think I had them better on thunder thsn ace too but I haven’t skated thunders in a few years. I enjoy aces. But curious to see if others have this problem or is it me blaming equipment. I do love my aces though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 22, 2021, 05:49:55 AM
Ace's cause your crooks to be more crooked than on other trucks. The shorter wheelbase makes more of your nose touch whatever you're grinding too which changes the feel of it for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on February 22, 2021, 12:27:47 PM
Apologise if anyone has mentioned this already...

One of the homies that skates for Ace just mentioned a few days ago that they'll be releasing their own bushings fairly soon. Two choices apparently: one of which will have the top bushing cut to half the normal size.

My guess is they'll be releasing them along with the new forged truck.

 

   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 22, 2021, 04:34:15 PM
They already have their own bushings in classic and low sizes?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on February 22, 2021, 04:40:34 PM
Apologise if anyone has mentioned this already...

One of the homies that skates for Ace just mentioned a few days ago that they'll be releasing their own bushings fairly soon. Two choices apparently: one of which will have the top bushing cut to half the normal size.

My guess is they'll be releasing them along with the new forged truck.
 

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-stock-bushings

They have the lows online as well. They’ve been selling these separately for awhile now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 22, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
I wonder if they are doing just low heads though, as per the Indy ones that I bought a few dozen of and swear by, same height bottom, just half the height in the top, so you start with the truck still sitting at the right angle and height from the bottom bushings, but the lower head means you can have the nut on nicely and still have the super loose feel, or as I have done, tighten them down a bit more and angle grind the kingpin head off a bit for a ton of clearance.

From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.


Low Bushing Set

Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness


Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness


As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:

Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Venture stock 94a
Total  22.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total  21 mm
Top  8 mm
Bottom  13 mm


* Added Venture in here as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 22, 2021, 05:51:39 PM
@Mbrimson88 probably worth also putting that bushing height info in the bushing thread. Valuable
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 22, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
@Mbrimson88 probably worth also putting that bushing height info in the bushing thread. Valuable

Yeah, I went and found some Ventures and also added in the duro info too.

Probably too much information, as usual.  :)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 23, 2021, 06:06:57 AM
Oslo 44’s with risers

Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers

(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on February 23, 2021, 06:20:57 AM
Oslo 44’s with risers

Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers

(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
Hes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on February 23, 2021, 07:12:38 AM
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Oslo 44’s with risers

Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers

(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
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Hes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!

He's got risers and wheel wells cut out and those kingpins cranked. Absolutely no chance for wheel bite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on February 23, 2021, 07:18:28 AM
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Oslo 44’s with risers

Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers

(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
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Hes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!
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He's got risers and wheel wells cut out and those kingpins cranked. Absolutely no chance for wheel bite
Ha good observation! I don't care about pros setups very much but that picture is making me question everything I've ever "known"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 23, 2021, 07:40:52 AM
Wondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on February 23, 2021, 08:07:14 AM
Oslo 44’s with risers

Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers

(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)

I run risers on my Aces. Always have. Helps to avoid wheelbite so I keep the out of the box looseness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 23, 2021, 08:28:45 AM
Wondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.
yeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 23, 2021, 09:12:54 AM
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Wondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.
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yeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?

I think the opposite, wouldn't it cause the top washer to bite the hanger quicker and make it a little "pinchier"? Need some of our bushing experts to weigh in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on February 23, 2021, 09:15:27 AM
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Wondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.
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yeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?
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I think the opposite, wouldn't it cause the top washer to bite the hanger quicker and make it a little "pinchier"? Need some of our bushing experts to weigh in.

You're right - he is looking for stability imo - keep in mind he goes faster than the average person
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on February 27, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)

Like many ppl here, I experienced exactly the same problem. At first I tried to install Bones mediums but they don't fit but you can get away with it if you keep the bottom stock bushing although wasn't ideal for me. I know a few dudes that skate theirs like that.

The Ace stock top washer is defo too small so I tried it with the Bones top washer and they're perfect like that with the kinpin nut flush. Hands down the best turning truck in the game if you like loose trucks.

Not sure how people skate tight trucks tbh. Having to tic tac to turn should be illegal. Way more legit when you see someone landing a fast & gnarly trick or line and you can tell their riding hella loose trucks as its so much harder!



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 27, 2021, 12:53:18 PM
Pontus set up. 8.75” 14.375” wb and ace 55 it’s looking like.
(https://i.ibb.co/PjFpqs8/017-EF2-C3-96-E4-4-BD7-8-B2-C-92-B9-AECF43-F7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PjFpqs8)



(https://i.ibb.co/dWj7t7D/1-D616127-F04-D-4-D17-B21-B-055390-BDF8-BA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWj7t7D)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 27, 2021, 11:43:28 PM
Homie gave me his old 03’s some time ago, I think they are like first batch of them as bushings and pivot cups were absolute toast while hangers are still in ok condition. I got new rubber parts for them and yesterday I finally got to test them and I was surprised how fucking good they turn being a low truck. Now I just need some smaller wheels, coming from 44’s my 53mm conical fulls are way too big&#128517;

tl;dr: I was surprised how good low aces turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on February 27, 2021, 11:44:36 PM
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Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
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Like many ppl here, I experienced exactly the same problem. At first I tried to install Bones mediums but they don't fit but you can get away with it if you keep the bottom stock bushing although wasn't ideal for me. I know a few dudes that skate theirs like that.

The Ace stock top washer is defo too small so I tried it with the Bones top washer and they're perfect like that with the kinpin nut flush. Hands down the best turning truck in the game if you like loose trucks.

Not sure how people skate tight trucks tbh. Having to tic tac to turn should be illegal. Way more legit when you see someone landing a fast & gnarly trick or line and you can tell their riding hella loose trucks as its so much harder!





just keep poking it back in, and keep skating them for a week or two. 
it fixes itself after you wear the bushings in a bit.  it's annoying, but worth it

the new trucks won't
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 27, 2021, 11:46:41 PM
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Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?

Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.

(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
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Like many ppl here, I experienced exactly the same problem. At first I tried to install Bones mediums but they don't fit but you can get away with it if you keep the bottom stock bushing although wasn't ideal for me. I know a few dudes that skate theirs like that.

The Ace stock top washer is defo too small so I tried it with the Bones top washer and they're perfect like that with the kinpin nut flush. Hands down the best turning truck in the game if you like loose trucks.

Not sure how people skate tight trucks tbh. Having to tic tac to turn should be illegal. Way more legit when you see someone landing a fast & gnarly trick or line and you can tell their riding hella loose trucks as its so much harder!




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just keep poking it back in, and keep skating them for a week or two. 
it fixes itself after you wear the bushings in a bit.  it's annoying, but worth it

the new trucks won't
Or get flat washer from set of bones bushings like the dude said, best feeling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on February 28, 2021, 12:52:08 AM
Def don’t need to swap bushings. I’d loosen those a half turn and kept riding em
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2021, 07:10:59 AM
Jay got the correct plan imo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 28, 2021, 11:11:43 AM
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Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:

(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)
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Sorry to chime in on this so late but catching up on 90+ pages of Ace chat takes a good few minutes ;)

Surely adding risers to Ace trucks and having such a short wheel base would make the timing of the ollie feel super delayed?

Does anyone else agree with Ben Degros that Ace trucks fall out of the crooked grind pinch?

I honestly have no idea what people are talking about with this. I skate Aces and crooked grinds are my go-to trick. I suspect that, if you just have one style of trick which you like and skate regularly, you will adjust to it just fine. If you’re constantly comparing Venture and Indy and whatever else, you might have a harder time acclimating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on February 28, 2021, 11:48:12 AM
The pinch between venture and ace is definitely different. Think of it this way. Ace turns deep and feels carvy. Venture is more of a lean than a turn. So when you crank down a crook with all your body weight, the ace truck is way more contorted while grinding. Meanwhile the venture has a much milder angle.

For me, it feels like the ace is more parallel to the curb and venture is so sideways it’s damn near like a noseslide. So in that regard, the techniques do require slightly different body weight distributions for long grinds.

At first I thought it was BS too but after riding ace for a few years and now on my second set of 6.1s, I understand it. An easy way to see it, is just push your truck down as hard as you can to simulate the pinch. Doing this you can see how much more contorted the ace gets.

And to answer the question of falling out of crooked grinds? Neither truck is gonna stop you from doing this on long grinds (I say long because this is where the body weight distribution really matters). You can fall out on both trucks if your technique is slightly off. However I will say that popping out to forward in the middle of a curb/ledge is immensely easier on venture. Maybe it’s because it’s in a closer position to a nose slide?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
The pinch between venture and ace is definitely different. Think of it this way. Ace turns deep and feels carvy. Venture is more of a lean than a turn. So when you crank down a crook with all your body weight, the ace truck is way more contorted while grinding. Meanwhile the venture has a much milder angle.

For me, it feels like the ace is more parallel to the curb and venture is so sideways it’s damn near like a noseslide. So in that regard, the techniques do require slightly different body weight distributions for long grinds.

At first I thought it was BS too but after riding ace for a few years and now on my second set of 6.1s, I understand it. An easy way to see it, is just push your truck down as hard as you can to simulate the pinch. Doing this you can see how much more contorted the ace gets.

And to answer the question of falling out of crooked grinds? Neither truck is gonna stop you from doing this on long grinds (I say long because this is where the body weight distribution really matters). You can fall out on both trucks if your technique is slightly off. However I will say that popping out to forward in the middle of a curb/ledge is immensely easier on venture. Maybe it’s because it’s in a closer position to a nose slide?
how tight do you ride your 6.1s? pinch never was a problem or something to "simulate" in my experiences
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on February 28, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
On the ventures I use 94a black independent aftermarket barrel bushings, 1/8 risers and the kingpin nut is flush.  With the aces the bushings are a hodgepodge of hard indy conical and barrel. I'm on the heavier side at 205 so for me this is a pretty medium level of tightness, definitely not loose or tight. When I said simulate, what I meant was push the wheel to wheelbite with your hand.  If you do this, you can see how the ace and venture angles are different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on February 28, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Been wanting to try ace for so long to shorten the WB on my 8.5 Polars. Can't wait till the new model drops &#128302;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 01, 2021, 12:34:06 AM
Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 01, 2021, 01:15:34 AM
Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?

Unless you are riding tiny wheels or tighter trucks, or put risers on (which kind of defeats the purpose of low trucks) you might end up struggling.

Not to say there are not people who like them, but compared to the normal ones, they are very low with minimal kingpin clearance, check that pic - maybe zero clearance and kingpin touching once you do a few grinds?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-trucks-03-low-polished

Ace 03 Low, at 1.90" (48mm) tall these are a full 5/32" (4mm) lower than our 33 Classic. Not recommended for use with taller than 53mm wheels. These lower your center of gravity for added stability at the cost of a slightly reduced turning radius. Works best with 8.125" or smaller boards.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ACE_Low_Side_b06a5251-b8ef-4521-8fed-4a8dbbecc387_530x.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2021, 06:07:10 AM
Been wanting to try ace for so long to shorten the WB on my 8.5 Polars. Can't wait till the new model drops &#38;#128302;

My 8.5” Polar with Ace 44s was definitely one of the best setups I skated in a long time. I ended up buying three Polar decks to keep the feel going
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 01, 2021, 09:31:16 AM
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Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?
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Unless you are riding tiny wheels or tighter trucks, or put risers on (which kind of defeats the purpose of low trucks) you might end up struggling.

Not to say there are not people who like them, but compared to the normal ones, they are very low with minimal kingpin clearance, check that pic - maybe zero clearance and kingpin touching once you do a few grinds?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-trucks-03-low-polished

Ace 03 Low, at 1.90" (48mm) tall these are a full 5/32" (4mm) lower than our 33 Classic. Not recommended for use with taller than 53mm wheels. These lower your center of gravity for added stability at the cost of a slightly reduced turning radius. Works best with 8.125" or smaller boards.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ACE_Low_Side_b06a5251-b8ef-4521-8fed-4a8dbbecc387_530x.jpg)

Helpful thanks! Looks like the lows aren’t for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 01, 2021, 09:44:35 AM
There is a theory that is you want a more stable truck that responds quickly, low trucks with risers are preferable to high trucks... Not my preference at all but if you want to delve into this madness via Ace Lows, please report back...

Or

Just get Thunders for the same effect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OMSK on March 01, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
Switched back to 8.5 from 8.38 board and had a new set of ace 44s to try, too narrow. Went to the shop got some 55s, too wide.... I had that bushing dilemma as well.... So far my quest to start riding aces is on standby...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kimura on March 01, 2021, 10:40:32 AM
I tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OMSK on March 01, 2021, 11:06:44 AM
I tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.

Yeah I might have to up my size to an 8.6... I was really stoked on the 55s and an 8.5 but they're a hair too wide and the 44s are like a magic carpet ride. It was really strange how wide they felt though, like a noticeable difference. I'm over Indy's and slipping axles and had a weird experience with thunders... I was running bones bushings but they kept cracking so now I am back to stock Indy's but I put both top bushings in the truck and it turns a little better IMO.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 01, 2021, 11:21:28 AM
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I tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.
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Yeah I might have to up my size to an 8.6... I was really stoked on the 55s and an 8.5 but they're a hair too wide and the 44s are like a magic carpet ride. It was really strange how wide they felt though, like a noticeable difference. I'm over Indy's and slipping axles and had a weird experience with thunders... I was running bones bushings but they kept cracking so now I am back to stock Indy's but I put both top bushings in the truck and it turns a little better IMO.

I ride 8.5 almost exclusively and I'm on 44s, although I do have 3 washers inside each wheel and 1 outside to make them a little wider. I'd say it makes them about as wide as indy 149s. I also hate the magic carpet feel, and 55s are way too big for me. Can't wait until I can get my hands on a 8.75 Ace truck though, and I've tried going back to indy 159 and something's just off, so I make it work with 3 washers on 44s in the meantime.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on March 01, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
3 washers inside is definitely key to skating a 8.3-8.5 with 44s. Coming from 159-8.5 setup as well it does suck not having that extra room to grind on but the pros outweigh the cons... at least scooping is alittle bit easier lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OMSK on March 01, 2021, 12:37:51 PM
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I tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.
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Yeah I might have to up my size to an 8.6... I was really stoked on the 55s and an 8.5 but they're a hair too wide and the 44s are like a magic carpet ride. It was really strange how wide they felt though, like a noticeable difference. I'm over Indy's and slipping axles and had a weird experience with thunders... I was running bones bushings but they kept cracking so now I am back to stock Indy's but I put both top bushings in the truck and it turns a little better IMO.
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I ride 8.5 almost exclusively and I'm on 44s, although I do have 3 washers inside each wheel and 1 outside to make them a little wider. I'd say it makes them about as wide as indy 149s. I also hate the magic carpet feel, and 55s are way too big for me. Can't wait until I can get my hands on a 8.75 Ace truck though, and I've tried going back to indy 159 and something's just off, so I make it work with 3 washers on 44s in the meantime.

fuck, didn't event think of running extra washers, I'll give that a shot....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 01, 2021, 01:01:04 PM
If you use extra washers make sure your nylock nuts are in good shape. I lost a wheel on a 50-50 the other day running 44s with extra washers...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 01, 2021, 01:17:50 PM
Flip your axle nuts, I've done it plenty of times. No worrying about the nuts flying off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on March 01, 2021, 01:38:29 PM
Flip your axle nuts, I've done it plenty of times. No worrying about the nuts flying off.
i do this too and frequently swap wheels. never had any problems. is there a reason they're not made this way?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RoadSodas on March 01, 2021, 03:04:50 PM
3 washers inside is definitely key to skating a 8.3-8.5 with 44s. Coming from 159-8.5 setup as well it does suck not having that extra room to grind on but the pros outweigh the cons... at least scooping is alittle bit easier lol.

Similar boat, ran 159s then 169s on an 8.5 forever. Moved back to 44's about 2 months ago, 3 washers on the inside and a little bit wider wheels and WAY prefer it.

Its funny that I get hardly any wheel bite on my Aces with 54mm OJ Hardlines, but on my 169s I get it constantly on the same wheels, and i run my trucks like barely loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 01, 2021, 05:10:55 PM
Switched back to 8.5 from 8.38 board and had a new set of ace 44s to try, too narrow. Went to the shop got some 55s, too wide.... I had that bushing dilemma as well.... So far my quest to start riding aces is on standby...

As said, three washers on the inside only - don't need anything on the outside as the wheel nut almost have their own built in washer nowdays.

This is how I have run my setups for a long time and although sometimes the wheel doesn't seat the bearings correctly, I almost never have issues with length of axle and 3 washers, but I have a ton of spares, some wider, some thinner, so I can mix and match a bit too if needed.

Thinner washers only even fit four on some trucks, but as long as the wheel nut is firmly on (not able to be turned just by your fingers) you should never have issues with the wheel nuts falling off.

It really does make a big difference in where the wheels sit and don't be alarmed by seeing a lot of washers when you look at your wheels (if you ride thinner wheels, that is) but most of my normal size bigger wheels cover them nicely anyway.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mcidraque on March 03, 2021, 12:11:29 AM
Pontus set up. 8.75” 14.375” wb and ace 55 it’s looking like.
(https://i.ibb.co/PjFpqs8/017-EF2-C3-96-E4-4-BD7-8-B2-C-92-B9-AECF43-F7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PjFpqs8)



(https://i.ibb.co/dWj7t7D/1-D616127-F04-D-4-D17-B21-B-055390-BDF8-BA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWj7t7D)

can't talk about the deck specs but know for sure he rides them 55's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on March 04, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
I'm kinda stuck between ordering those riptide pivot cups or just waiting for the new model to drop next month. I cant believe my pivot cups have gotten so bad only after 9 months...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 04, 2021, 12:15:33 PM
I'm kinda stuck between ordering those riptide pivot cups or just waiting for the new model to drop next month. I cant believe my pivot cups have gotten so bad only after 9 months...

What did I miss, next month? is that confirmed somewhere?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2021, 12:21:33 PM
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I'm kinda stuck between ordering those riptide pivot cups or just waiting for the new model to drop next month. I cant believe my pivot cups have gotten so bad only after 9 months...
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What did I miss, next month? is that confirmed somewhere?

Rumors, no real confirmation (and you can't expect a solid date given the global supply situation).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?

I loved them. Bones hards and 50mm wheels. Still turn (probably better than any low truck out there - ML can compete here and are lighter). The bones hards kept the wheelbite at bay but they still turned great (especially when the hards broke in to permanent mediums).  Kingpin clearance leaves much to be desired.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on March 04, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/

For context, someone linked this 2 or 3 pages ago.

Also on the Ace insta, yesterday they replied back to someone asking when the 8.5 model comes out. Someone commented "spring?" and they replied back "sooner than you think"...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL65WdVJZX8/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2021, 02:16:36 PM
Last thing I saw about the new drop, from 2 weeks ago in reference to the upcoming 8.5"

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hCUYc3RNa3hPuJT_Xvw-Ve6h_vgs8bbF3Pspgv9o_e2dPiwfX6y--GLVKLsuOQsAKd0pdgbNBq4VYHNhi-1m0VBMDAJAEx4VmlRDBj3__aenQxSvIpp_G0xmhcBBCfu0ipYBQJIyntc=w2400)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on March 04, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
Heres the comment I was talking about
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2021, 03:08:34 PM
Well Spring is just few weeks away, so if it's sooner than we think, could be next week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 04, 2021, 03:37:41 PM
Any hints one way or the other if the new sizes will be redesigns as well? I remember Oski having a setup pic last year with hollows, same with a Joey T. pic that was floating around, but Oski's recent setup pic, and Pontus..and everyone else just seem like normal Aces. Did they scrap the redesign and just opt for new widths?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 04, 2021, 04:39:22 PM
It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 04, 2021, 07:40:55 PM
Any hints one way or the other if the new sizes will be redesigns as well? I remember Oski having a setup pic last year with hollows, same with a Joey T. pic that was floating around, but Oski's recent setup pic, and Pontus..and everyone else just seem like normal Aces. Did they scrap the redesign and just opt for new widths?

I've noticed quite a few pilots with the new Ace's based off how the "ACE" logo on the baseplate looks different, but they all have solid kingpins, so I also think they may have scrapped it. I think they just updated the sizing and then it's going to be forged, while still keeping the "classics" in the lineup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2021, 10:36:45 PM
It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle

I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 05, 2021, 08:14:15 AM
Same but with Thunder 151s. I have a deck right now that I am constantly switching between 44s and 55s because neither really fit. All I want from Ace is a size in between those two. The harder aluminum will be nice but its the sizing thats my main concern.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 05, 2021, 11:36:11 AM
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Any hints one way or the other if the new sizes will be redesigns as well? I remember Oski having a setup pic last year with hollows, same with a Joey T. pic that was floating around, but Oski's recent setup pic, and Pontus..and everyone else just seem like normal Aces. Did they scrap the redesign and just opt for new widths?
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I've noticed quite a few pilots with the new Ace's based off how the "ACE" logo on the baseplate looks different, but they all have solid kingpins, so I also think they may have scrapped it. I think they just updated the sizing and then it's going to be forged, while still keeping the "classics" in the lineup.

Ah yeah, the new logo on the plate. Didn't consider that. Forged plates would be a huge plus. Forged plates and hollow hardware would be better but I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 05, 2021, 02:09:29 PM
I posted in another thread (and have said IRL) that I don't think aces feel good for k-grinds. I put mine back on today and was proven very wrong, very happily.

I just wanted to put that out there. I too am excited for the new trucks to drop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on March 05, 2021, 04:33:38 PM
What aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 05, 2021, 05:19:09 PM
What aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...

Riptide bushings or pivot cups?

What sort of problems did the riptides cause?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on March 05, 2021, 05:42:21 PM
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What aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...
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Riptide bushings or pivot cups?

What sort of problems did the riptides cause?

Pivotcups - they weirdly make the turn feel more janky than before. I've used riptides in thunders previously and felt like they made those turn way better, while also being more stable.. for some reason in my Aces they feel off-set, or more choppy in some way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on March 05, 2021, 08:53:33 PM
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What aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...
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Riptide bushings or pivot cups?

What sort of problems did the riptides cause?
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Pivotcups - they weirdly make the turn feel more janky than before. I've used riptides in thunders previously and felt like they made those turn way better, while also being more stable.. for some reason in my Aces they feel off-set, or more choppy in some way.
personally saw no reason to run them in aces for the time i gave them a chance, their turning geometry doesnt need to be messed with imo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Giza Butler on March 08, 2021, 02:37:50 AM
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It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle
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I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.

OK, I apologise for probably asking this question for the millionth time.

I'm considering switching to ACE, I ride from 8,8' (the smallest I can go) to 9,25'. I was considering the 66s but i guess by reading this it might be way too big? Correct?

Thanks for the patience.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 08, 2021, 02:40:13 AM
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It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle
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I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.
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OK, I apologise for probably asking this question for the millionth time.

I'm considering switching to ACE, I ride from 8,8' (the smallest I can go) to 9,25'. I was considering the 66s but i guess by reading this it might be way too big? Correct?

Thanks for the patience.

Run the 55s my dude
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Giza Butler on March 08, 2021, 02:44:18 AM
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It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle
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I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.
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OK, I apologise for probably asking this question for the millionth time.

I'm considering switching to ACE, I ride from 8,8' (the smallest I can go) to 9,25'. I was considering the 66s but i guess by reading this it might be way too big? Correct?

Thanks for the patience.
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Run the 55s my dude

Thanks, and SHALOM!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WHYAMIDOINGTHIS on March 08, 2021, 06:42:34 AM
iNDY HANGAR ON ACE BASEPLATE? DOES IT WORK?
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Post by: Murge on March 08, 2021, 06:47:53 AM
iNDY HANGAR ON ACE BASEPLATE? DOES IT WORK?

I never tried it but heard it does.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 08, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
It works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 09, 2021, 02:50:16 AM
Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 09, 2021, 06:26:14 AM
Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?

Yes they still bend, yes a titanium axel will help. Ace comes out with their new shit next month, forged baseplates for sure idk about the hangar. If you like the way they skate I'd say wait and see what's up with those. Otherwise, get some titanium indy's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 09, 2021, 07:09:25 AM
Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?

While its possible they have bent, the hangars also have a little bit of 'rocker' (Not as much as they used to) so there is more meat over the king pin than out toward the end of the hangar. It was an intentional design but also made any axle  bending issues appear worse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 09, 2021, 10:43:44 AM
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Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
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While its possible they have bent, the hangars also have a little bit of 'rocker' (Not as much as they used to) so there is more meat over the king pin than out toward the end of the hangar. It was an intentional design but also made any axle  bending issues appear worse.

I didn't know they still do that and that case it must be what I'm looking at. I have done nothing to warrant a bend. I mainly skated transition with them and some flat and ledge, no gaps at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mulldrifter on March 09, 2021, 10:55:01 AM
It works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.
Thanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.
and yes i also realised the axle also bent a little even if i dont do gaps or big drop, only pavements ollie. i'm gonna put them on my cruiser set up for definitive use and wait for the next generation. yet i said a lot of complaining but i still love how they turn and how they dont wheelbite that much for being lower than indy. ace 55 for info.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 09, 2021, 11:43:34 AM
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It works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.
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Thanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.
and yes i also realised the axle also bent a little even if i dont do gaps or big drop, only pavements ollie. i'm gonna put them on my cruiser set up for definitive use and wait for the next generation. yet i said a lot of complaining but i still love how they turn and how they dont wheelbite that much for being lower than indy. ace 55 for info.

I totally get it. That turning radius with the wheelbase set in an extra 1/4 inch is a thing of beauty. When you see guys like Raven, Sandoval, Oski ripping bowls you can see how they sometimes utilize that extra turn you could never get with Indys. By the time you're that loose you're wobbling and wheelbiting all over the place. I'm afraid the issues could only be solved with titanium axles, which would be a concern for manufacturing and cost. With that being said I would cop a titanium axle Ace truck no questions asked. If they just changed the design to mitigate the flaws they would be Indys. I mean they already look closer to Indys compared to the original versions. Let's see what they have to offer when the time comes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on March 09, 2021, 11:44:06 AM
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 09, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?

Bro Ace are made in China!!! You need to surrender them now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on March 09, 2021, 12:52:57 PM
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Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?
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Bro Ace are made in China!!! You need to surrender them now.

haha yeah I should but got sent a couple of sets to try so thought why not, especially after hearing too many homies hyping em over the past few years
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 09, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?

Sounds like it would suck. Primitives at least are a short wb/ long tail type of truck, way better suited for Thunders and Ventures. I would dread riding Aces on those. But only one way to find out...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 09, 2021, 05:55:35 PM
Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?

Most axles bend with significant weight and heavy landings, but I cannot hammer Titanium axles back straight the way I can with other normal trucks.

Yes the titanium still bend - I have a set from a guy who bent them, unable to warranty as they are worn down too far and it has been too long, but they still bend.


Go with the standard axle, normal versions and they will work better and have fewer issues in the long run.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 09, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
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Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
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Most axles bend with significant weight and heavy landings, but I cannot hammer Titanium axles back straight the way I can with other normal trucks.

Yes the titanium still bend - I have a set from a guy who bent them, unable to warranty as they are worn down too far and it has been too long, but they still bend.


Go with the standard axle, normal versions and they will work better and have fewer issues in the long run.

Amazingly useful information for the future. I'll keep rocking the standard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 10, 2021, 06:20:06 AM
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 10, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I’m about 50lbs heavier than you and I’ve never bent or broken a set. I’ll still Ollie of some shit waist high, but mostly skate lower impact shit and do a lot of slappys. Out of the multiple sets I’ve had, I have had no issues. Maybe it’s luck of the draw?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 10, 2021, 07:08:20 AM
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Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, but I’m about 50lbs heavier than you and I’ve never bent or broken a set. I’ll still Ollie of some shit waist high, but mostly skate lower impact shit and do a lot of slappys. Out of the multiple sets I’ve had, I have had no issues. Maybe it’s luck of the draw?

Could be wrong but I feel like it's a situation where people who have issues are more vocal about them. Which is reasonable. I've had two sets of ace with no issues myself though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 10, 2021, 07:09:03 AM
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Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, but I’m about 50lbs heavier than you and I’ve never bent or broken a set. I’ll still Ollie of some shit waist high, but mostly skate lower impact shit and do a lot of slappys. Out of the multiple sets I’ve had, I have had no issues. Maybe it’s luck of the draw?

The first generation stuff was maybe a little more fragile, but arguably cooler looking, and some people prefer those for their turn.
I think some of Ace’s manufacturing isn’t as clean looking as say Indy, but it’s never affected my skating, like at all. I’m not sure if people who have these qc complaints come from other activities: golf, bicycling, guns....but tripping real hard off of, what seems to me to be very small details, for an item (skateboard) that will rapidly start to incur uneven wear, seems foolish.

***Ive never had a problem with their stuff that affected the skating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 10, 2021, 07:14:46 AM
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.

I am a little lighter than you.  I have had 3 sets off 44s and 2 sets of 55s. No issues aside from the kingpin getting a little loose. But that happened with Indy and Thunder also and does not bother me at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2021, 07:48:09 AM
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?

I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.

Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.

I definitely get it - I know some dudes who are just human scum, one guy used to drop big rocks on his board when he wanted new Indy trucks - trucks bent, he got new trucks.  Totally sad.  Dude is done now anyway.

The reality is those people who I know legitimately break or bend trucks (any and all they skate) usually are on the lighter and younger side, but definitely do more big drops and very high impact stuff very regularly, so much that I cannot skate with them sometimes as my eyes translate the pain to my knees, ankles, etc.

I cannot ever recall bending or breaking trucks, in the 30+ years I have been skating "pro setups" meaning not pro skating, just skating the quality products, not cheap / budget completes or no name brands, which anyone could break fairly easily.

There have definitely been warranty issues along the way, of which my trucks or parts (Stage 9 baseplates) were replaced and away I went, happy again, but that happened to everyone, so I don't really count that.


To keep it relevant to the Ace thread, I have never had any issues whatsoever with any Ace trucks I have skated, maybe only ever seeing minimal issues with them from a shop perspective, eg one set with slightly bent axles - second hand from someone else that a kid was riding, which I hammered back straight and the kid was happy so never had a second thought about it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on March 10, 2021, 08:32:18 AM
i'm pretty sure the last two sets of mine have bent because my wheels started to cone on the inside
but they were also down to the axle at that point (weakened) and i think using multiple axle washers contributed as well since greater distance from center = easier to bend
one was stage 1 and the other stage 3
mostly do slappies
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Maxi205 on March 10, 2021, 09:36:57 AM
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?


I rode several Primitive 8.38 decks with ace 44‘s and really loved the combination, super easy to flip around and I had the best manuals on this combination. The only reason I don’t ride it exclusively is because popping on to stuff was quite hard and since my local spot almost only consists of super high ledges, I moved on skating a different setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2021, 01:19:08 PM
I've only ever had one set of 33s bend on me and that was on Stage I, the 44 Stage 1 and 3 never had any issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on March 10, 2021, 02:18:24 PM
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It works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.
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Thanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.
and yes i also realised the axle also bent a little even if i dont do gaps or big drop, only pavements ollie. i'm gonna put them on my cruiser set up for definitive use and wait for the next generation. yet i said a lot of complaining but i still love how they turn and how they dont wheelbite that much for being lower than indy. ace 55 for info.
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When you see guys like Raven, Sandoval, Oski ripping bowls you can see how they sometimes utilize that extra turn you could never get with Indys. By the time you're that loose you're wobbling and wheelbiting all over the place.

Ironically those guys run their Ace trucks tight as fuck, but they definitely go twice as fast as anyone else.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 10, 2021, 02:29:06 PM
I've been running 9" boards almost exclusively for a long time, but might now go down to an 8.8 magenta for my next deck. Continue to run the 55s? 44s seem too small.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on March 10, 2021, 02:41:49 PM
I've been running 9" boards almost exclusively for a long time, but might now go down to an 8.8 magenta for my next deck. Continue to run the 55s? 44s seem too small.

I'd go with 55s.

I run my 55s on an 8.75 deck and it doesn't feel wonky.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 10, 2021, 04:11:53 PM
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I've been running 9" boards almost exclusively for a long time, but might now go down to an 8.8 magenta for my next deck. Continue to run the 55s? 44s seem too small.
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I'd go with 55s.

I run my 55s on an 8.75 deck and it doesn't feel wonky.

I’ve ridden 55s on everything from an 8.75 football to a 9.75 Dane1 with literally no issues.

55s are the truth
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 10, 2021, 05:48:53 PM
Steel and titanium axles are equally capable of bending, because merely being steel or titanium doesn't tell you enough about where it lands on Young's modulus to have an effect. I enjoy Ace and I've never bent a truck axle in my life (I've hovered at 145 lbs my whole adult life), but it definitely appears anecdotally as though Ace uses a lower quality axle than their competitors, who I believe all advertise a 4140 axle. 4140 is a high manganese chromoly steel commonly used for rods and spindles and is hence very good for "standard" skateboard trucks, so even speccing a well made one from a reputable manufacturer would probably mean a marked improvement

My hope is that this is addressed with whatever the news Ace Trucks entail, along with moving away from sandcast moulds and to a forged baseplate, while keeping the classic geometry
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 10, 2021, 06:00:04 PM
According to Ace:

"Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat-treated 3056 series steel axles."

I don't know how that compares to 4140 steel.

I have heard they are using a harder aluminum in the new trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 10, 2021, 06:21:17 PM
According to Ace:

"Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat-treated 3056 series steel axles."

I don't know how that compares to 4140 steel.

I have heard they are using a harder aluminum in the new trucks.

I have absolutely no idea what 3056 steel is, but I'm not a metallurgist. It doesn't come up as anything when you Google it, which as far as I'm concerned means that it's not a thing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 10, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
You could be right....

Its a level of detail I really don't want to explore to be honest...

Just get me a damn 8.75" axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on March 10, 2021, 11:03:20 PM
3056 is some sort of stainless steel i think. afaik that stuff is heat treated anyway, the number implies it. i think it's mostly used for small parts and kitchenstuff like heavy pans. very hard steel that is hard to dent and very resistant to corrosion/rust.

4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on March 11, 2021, 02:23:03 AM
 Rode a set of 44 and 55, best trucks so far and no issues so far other than my Indys are useless atm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on March 11, 2021, 05:35:27 AM
Cracked the metal housing for the pivot cup in my Indy 169 baseplates so might try some aces finally
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on March 11, 2021, 05:55:08 AM
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Masshole on March 11, 2021, 07:48:59 AM
i'm about 3 months into my first pair of aces and I've gotta say I'm loving them. In my opinion, slightly better than indys, far better than krux, both of which I cracked my last pair after roughly 2 months, but my new aces are still going strong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2021, 07:54:26 AM
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way

They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:

(http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/trevenen/bent-aces.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on March 11, 2021, 08:28:09 AM
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way

i think they usually start to bend past the hanger edge. the hanger metal seems to stabilize the axle part within.

i am not sure if this is the case, but them using different steel in the new ones coming out could mean they managed to fix the issue. even though i couldn't find specifics on that type of steel (3056)on the internet, like the others. i guess it might be some sort of heat treated stainless, which in that case could be harder to bend than run of the mill chromo, but probably more so makes for a smooth surface for the bearings to rest on that will be very corrosion resistant. i read some stuff about different kinds of stainless, it seems like in general, chromoly is supposed to be stronger out of the gate than most stainless types, but heat treated stainless can be stronger than chromoly. the search results i got with 3056 steel might just be product numbers/ids of things that happen to be out of stainless steel. the type of ss was never specified in the description though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cool Ceith on March 11, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
Just want to chime in here and say that I love my Aces (44s) and I will never ever ever switch.

That is all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 11, 2021, 09:02:10 AM
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are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
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They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:

(http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/trevenen/bent-aces.jpg)

I don't think they lessened the beef in the middle. I believe they actually carried it out more to the ends. If you compare OG aces with the current ones you can see the hangars are wider closer to the wheels. I think the latest ones have eliminated the rocker completely if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 11, 2021, 10:36:54 AM
I've broken V2 and V3 baseplates at the pivot point. Bent V2 and V3 axles. Some get lucky, others don't. Just like every truck company out there. I'm just mentally ill and don't want my trucks bent, most others would probably not even care and keep skating them. It's all about how much you wanna obsess over it or not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 11, 2021, 11:49:44 AM
I might have the opposite problem than you Diocletian. I love certain products so much (Ace and F4s) that I might be good at ignoring any issues they come with....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 12:36:11 PM
4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.

4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 12:49:55 PM
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are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
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They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:

(http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/trevenen/bent-aces.jpg)

What's interesting about that photo is that fact that the steel axle could bend so much but not break the hanger, which implies that Ace uses a pretty soft aluminum. They list it as 7071, which matweb doesn't even recognize as a thing (7075 is the absolute highest quality aluminum, though I'm not sure it would be ideal for a skateboard truck). In any event, it's hard to imagine something flexing high quality, stiff, cast aluminum more than one or two MM without causing some visible fracturing. That's certainly the case with Indys, where you can see that their A356 hangers and baseplates will crack immediately when stressed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 11, 2021, 02:10:38 PM
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are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
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They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:

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What's interesting about that photo is that fact that the steel axle could bend so much but not break the hanger, which implies that Ace uses a pretty soft aluminum. They list it as 7071, which matweb doesn't even recognize as a thing (7075 is the absolute highest quality aluminum, though I'm not sure it would be ideal for a skateboard truck). In any event, it's hard to imagine something flexing high quality, stiff, cast aluminum more than one or two MM without causing some visible fracturing. That's certainly the case with Indys, where you can see that their A356 hangers and baseplates will crack immediately when stressed

I'm no machinist by any stretch but I worked in a machine shop doing shit work for a couple years. 7071 is definitely not a thing in aluminum. 6061 is, and the way Aces grind is sort of like how 6061 machines, soft and a little gummy. Also weird they cite a type of axle steel there's no info on either.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
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are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger?  if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger?  i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
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They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:

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What's interesting about that photo is that fact that the steel axle could bend so much but not break the hanger, which implies that Ace uses a pretty soft aluminum. They list it as 7071, which matweb doesn't even recognize as a thing (7075 is the absolute highest quality aluminum, though I'm not sure it would be ideal for a skateboard truck). In any event, it's hard to imagine something flexing high quality, stiff, cast aluminum more than one or two MM without causing some visible fracturing. That's certainly the case with Indys, where you can see that their A356 hangers and baseplates will crack immediately when stressed
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I'm no machinist by any stretch but I worked in a machine shop doing shit work for a couple years. 7071 is definitely not a thing in aluminum. 6061 is, and the way Aces grind is sort of like how 6061 machines, soft and a little gummy. Also weird they cite a type of axle steel there's no info on either.

Yeah, it's sort of baffling. Other truck makers are straight forward about the materials that they use. I don't think Ace is lying or trying to obfuscate, I just assume that either they actually don't know or the person who runs their website is confused
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on March 11, 2021, 04:12:54 PM
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4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.
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4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles
thank you. i stand corrected.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 11, 2021, 04:42:03 PM
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4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.
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4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles
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thank you. i stand corrected.

No problem. My professional background is in
1) Machining
2) Bicycles

So I've spent more time thinking about this that most people will in their lifetimes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthulhu! on March 14, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 14, 2021, 07:30:05 PM
What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?

I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on March 14, 2021, 07:42:20 PM
so... AF-1... when?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 14, 2021, 07:58:01 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)

Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 14, 2021, 08:06:58 PM
Its on! If the 44s are now 8.25" I'm going to need some 55s and 66s. Fuck yes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 14, 2021, 08:12:28 PM
Spring drop? April?
Look so good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on March 14, 2021, 08:59:20 PM
Guess I will be buying another pair of trucks as it turns out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 15, 2021, 02:35:13 AM
All I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 15, 2021, 03:03:00 AM
The innovation of the axle rethreader that fits into the normal skate tool looks good, but I could see people losing it or breaking the softer plastic skate tools if the thing just wouldn't go on, but also think how precise you need to be with the rethreader to make sure it goes on right could also leave a few people with issues if they don't use it correctly.

Any which way, it will be interesting to see them.  Not so much that I would be trying to get hold of a set as soon as they come out though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 15, 2021, 03:18:35 AM
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent

Yes /thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 15, 2021, 03:57:05 AM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on March 15, 2021, 04:04:48 AM
So is the new updated aces gonna be available in the classic 44 (8.38) size?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 15, 2021, 04:37:55 AM
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4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.
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4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles
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thank you. i stand corrected.
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No problem. My professional background is in
1) Machining
2) Bicycles

So I've spent more time thinking about this that most people will in their lifetimes

You a frame builder?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 15, 2021, 05:07:45 AM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?

anyone know when these will be available to buy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 15, 2021, 05:47:44 AM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?

The short wheelbase ace gives you means you use more of your nose on crooks than with other trucks, and how they turn causes your crooks to be more.. well...  Crooked. Slipping out of them definitely happens more because of this. But I enjoyed my time on ace's regardless, and I do a shit ton of crooked grinds. It's just not what they're best at.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on March 15, 2021, 06:03:00 AM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


honestly that is pretty awesome and a great idea. adding an axle rethreading nut is something more truck companies should do.

i'm basically sold on these now, even if i'm currently on ventures. i'm just too curious to not try them out. especially if the hanger won't bend as bad finally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on March 15, 2021, 06:10:35 AM
So is the new updated aces gonna be available in the classic 44 (8.38) size?

I don’t think so. I think it was said that they would still make the old ones the old way, along with the upgraded ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 15, 2021, 06:39:02 AM
Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 15, 2021, 06:40:25 AM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?

It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.

Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?

Haha I’m usually pretty resilient to ads, but this one caught me in a vulnerable moment of being in the throes of truck madness

I have only skated the Polar Dane1 and Shin surf shapes and those feel better to me with Thunders, but I imagine the popsicles would feel awesome with Aces. I’ve had a bunch of BBS wood shop popsicles that handle Aces really well.

As far as slipping out of crooks, I haven’t had that problem on Aces specifically. The metal grinds slower for me than thunders so that is an adjustment I have to make when I switch though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.

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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.

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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.

You could always throw Indy 159 Hollow hangers on some Ace baseplates, that's about the closest thing you'll get from a 8.75 Ace with less weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: VCR on March 15, 2021, 08:43:17 AM
Where the hanger meets the pivot cup looks real weird.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 15, 2021, 09:20:21 AM
Where the hanger meets the pivot cup looks real weird.

I think its the lighting/angle. I agree it looks like thin and flat but if you look into the shadow area it looks pretty normal again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 15, 2021, 09:34:07 AM

I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.

yeah, these could well be heavier than the existing models. the prototype 44s i checked out were heavier than the existing 44s. i'm not personally concerned about weight but there is a market out there for light trucks that ace might be missing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on March 15, 2021, 09:52:14 AM
stripped axles wouldn't be an issue if people made use of axle washers instead of throwing them away. it's a pretty common thing to do. it wouldn't be necessary to tighten down as much, exposing the axle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on March 15, 2021, 10:13:27 AM
I'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 15, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
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I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.
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yeah, these could well be heavier than the existing models. the prototype 44s i checked out were heavier than the existing 44s. i'm not personally concerned about weight but there is a market out there for light trucks that ace might be missing.

Kind of a bummer. I was pretty jazzed when there was talk of forged plates and hollow kingpins and axles, but that all looks to have been axed. Still buying a set of new 44's all the same, just hoping it's not too lateral.

Seriously, what's with Ace trying to reinvent axle nuts? On the list of Ace things to improve that's pretty much near the bottom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 15, 2021, 10:29:09 AM
I'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.

Strong rumor says it is definitely definitely coming in this revamp.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on March 15, 2021, 11:01:58 AM
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Strong rumor says it is definitely definitely coming in this revamp.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.

Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 15, 2021, 12:04:20 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
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I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.

52mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jory4 on March 15, 2021, 12:59:00 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
[close]

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
[close]

It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
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52mm.

FWIW slappy crooks are a favorite of mine and although I think thunder give a better pinch, I can sit on a crook on aces fine with no slipping out.

They pinch like this

(https://i.ibb.co/tKBVRY4/BB58070-F-0461-490-F-8619-FAAD49-AB07-D3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tKBVRY4)(https://i.ibb.co/KqftSpV/D01-F4-F49-C7-DD-4-FD0-A2-A3-AD215-B9-DBC16.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KqftSpV)(https://i.ibb.co/KhdqBZ6/B87453-C7-6-D0-B-457-E-B60-E-E8-E9834-D04-C0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhdqBZ6)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on March 15, 2021, 02:01:53 PM
I'm kinda underwhelmed by no hollow kingpin or forged baseplate but at the same time happy that they addressed the pivot cup issue. I cant wait to skate a 8.5 deck and be able to see my wheels again lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on March 15, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
[close]

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
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52mm.


I was under the impression that they were 53mm?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on March 15, 2021, 03:42:13 PM
I'm kinda underwhelmed by no hollow kingpin or forged baseplate but at the same time happy that they addressed the pivot cup issue. I cant wait to skate a 8.5 deck and be able to see my wheels again lol.
did they, though? it's the same geometry. all the ad says is they replaced the pivot cup. people have had riptides blow out with aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 15, 2021, 05:13:50 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
[close]

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.

They are 52mm, so kinda like Thunder height, but if you thought Indys were "unstable" I wouldn't recommend Ace that much. I love mine, but they turn like crazy, so if you like Venture's turn and dislike Indy's, you probably won't like Ace. Just my opinion, you could like them too, who knows?  ;)

*Madness intensifies*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 15, 2021, 05:18:18 PM
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What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
[close]

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
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52mm.
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I was under the impression that they were 53mm?

You had me doubting for a second, Ace website says 52mm, but Tactics says 53. Whatever, they're lower than Indys, that's about as much as I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2021, 05:51:17 PM
All I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.

Seriously....re-threading axle nuts? Laser engraving will help me skate better? Better 'washers'? WASHERS...what was wrong with the previous ones? Better Bushings? As a fan of the current rev of stock bushings, I'll be impressed if the new ones are better. 'Proprietary Manufacturing Process' and pointing to the baseplate? Maybe these are still their 'forged' plates?

All anyone wanted was a lighter/stronger ACE. Easily accomplished with Forged plates, hollow pins/axles and better materials/QC. Instead, this ad gives us nothing we actually want except stronger axles = hopefully leading to less bending issues.

If this is 'it' they're off the shortlist and it's back the TiMindy train instead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2021, 05:55:06 PM
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I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.


(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
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Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
[close]

I have also been marketed to.

Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.

All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.

Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
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It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.

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Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
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Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
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Cool man good stuff

One more question on ace's if anyone can help.

I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
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52mm.
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I was under the impression that they were 53mm?
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You had me doubting for a second, Ace website says 52mm, but Tactics says 53. Whatever, they're lower than Indys, that's about as much as I know.

No, you're correct. They're 52mm.

"Ace 44 our Classic 2.125" (52mm) tall truck. This is the size that is just now becoming a standard offering by others."  <---Nice Jab at Indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on March 15, 2021, 06:15:56 PM
I am now wondering if the new 44 is the exact same old 44 mold, but with shorter 8.25" axles instead of the 8.38" ones that needed extra washers.

And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 15, 2021, 06:29:49 PM


And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?

No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 15, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.

Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 15, 2021, 07:51:09 PM
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Seriously....re-threading axle nuts? Laser engraving will help me skate better? Better 'washers'? WASHERS...what was wrong with the previous ones? Better Bushings? As a fan of the current rev of stock bushings, I'll be impressed if the new ones are better. 'Proprietary Manufacturing Process' and pointing to the baseplate? Maybe these are still their 'forged' plates?

All anyone wanted was a lighter/stronger ACE. Easily accomplished with Forged plates, hollow pins/axles and better materials/QC. Instead, this ad gives us nothing we actually want except stronger axles = hopefully leading to less bending issues.

If this is 'it' they're off the shortlist and it's back the TiMindy train instead.

I think they're neat. A hollow version would be cool but could still be on the way Ace is still a smaller company by comparison I would think
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2021, 08:10:39 PM
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.

Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaptainCheeks on March 15, 2021, 08:28:48 PM
I only want the new ones for the regular sizes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on March 16, 2021, 05:20:03 AM

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?

Yep, re-threading axle nut sounds like they're gonna be falling off constantly like those 38 specials did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on March 16, 2021, 05:24:43 AM
Also the most technical truck ever made sounds terrible. I want my trucks to turn, grind and keep the wheels on their place, what else would anyone need?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 16, 2021, 05:25:50 AM
Sort of odd they didn't just go full forged/hollow/whatever the usual route is. Ace geometry fills a needed gap in the truck market, it's a shame they don't have comparable materials/tech as the other brands. They have a big enough following now to justify whatever the cost would be to do so.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
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Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?

Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.

Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.

Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on March 16, 2021, 08:10:52 AM
I love my aces and idk if I can go back to another truck. But damn I like the 8.38 sized 44s. So I hope they keep that 8.38 size in the rotation cause I’d like to try the new ones in that size
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
I don't know if any of you know anything about Paris and longboard trucks. I don't and don't care to look into it. However, apparently Joey Pulsifer who owns Paris Trucks has teamed up with Ace to improve QC.  I heard that was a very good thing but again I was already sold at new sizes and harder metal hangers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: imuseless on March 16, 2021, 08:54:40 AM
I love my aces and idk if I can go back to another truck. But damn I like the 8.38 sized 44s. So I hope they keep that 8.38 size in the rotation cause I’d like to try the new ones in that size

Same same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 16, 2021, 10:54:22 AM
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
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Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
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Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.

Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.

Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.

Someone needs to make sure Joey sees this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GlenSuggittsflexfit on March 16, 2021, 11:56:02 AM
I heard the new kingpins are filled with Joey T's pillow Crystals and patchouli.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 16, 2021, 12:21:05 PM
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I love my aces and idk if I can go back to another truck. But damn I like the 8.38 sized 44s. So I hope they keep that 8.38 size in the rotation cause I’d like to try the new ones in that size
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Same same

At least as of this release (November 2020), they're planning on keeping the current iteration in production as "Ace Classics". One would assume they're going to keep the current sizing for those.

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/ (https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/)

I'm excited for the new sizing. An 8.5" or an 8.75" Ace could be the goldilocks spot for me, but If I'm not into the feel of the new trucks I'll be glad to keep some 44s and 55s in rotation.

Personally, I don't care about truck weight but I get that other people do. I also don't like forged plates so that would have bummed me out, though hollow axles would have been cool.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 16, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
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Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
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Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.

Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.

Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.

What Novak is this ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 16, 2021, 01:38:01 PM
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
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Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
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Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.

Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.

Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.
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What Novak is this ?
The N in NHS.
THAT Novak.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on March 16, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
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No its closer to a 169.

Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
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Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
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Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.

"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.

Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
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Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.

Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.

Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.
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Someone needs to make sure Joey sees this.

Agreed

Do Ace really need to be bringing out a new truck?! They work fine as they are except the stock top washer being too small! And the stock bushings are whats been so good about them. All they needed to offer was a 149 equivalent.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on March 16, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
Do we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 16, 2021, 04:05:36 PM
Do we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?

According to their Insta "Sooner than we think"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 16, 2021, 04:30:35 PM
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Do we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?
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According to their Insta "Sooner than we think"

There is fuck all ace 44 left in Europe so I'd imagine it's soon.

Except for one shop who have debited my card for a pair yet haven't confirmed my order which is worrying as I have fuck all cash. Some shops need to up their game.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2021, 04:59:18 PM
They are probably floating around  on a ship that can't dock in LA or Long beach.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 16, 2021, 05:56:36 PM
They are probably floating around  on a ship that can't dock in LA or Long beach.

The ports are crazy fucked right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Masshole on March 17, 2021, 08:28:50 AM
Showed up to the park yesterday morning. Acquaintance pointed out that all 5 dudes there were riding aces. they're taking over
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2021, 09:23:07 AM
The new AF1 have arrived in some countries and are awaiting distribution.

As was said, it should not be long now.

Sizes still seemed like 33, 44, etc.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 17, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
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I'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.
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Strong rumor says it is definitely definitely coming in this revamp.

Ace lacking a competitor to the Indy 215 is just them leaving gobs on money on the table
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 17, 2021, 12:19:25 PM
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All I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.
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Seriously....re-threading axle nuts? Laser engraving will help me skate better? Better 'washers'? WASHERS...what was wrong with the previous ones? Better Bushings? As a fan of the current rev of stock bushings, I'll be impressed if the new ones are better. 'Proprietary Manufacturing Process' and pointing to the baseplate? Maybe these are still their 'forged' plates?

All anyone wanted was a lighter/stronger ACE. Easily accomplished with Forged plates, hollow pins/axles and better materials/QC. Instead, this ad gives us nothing we actually want except stronger axles = hopefully leading to less bending issues.

If this is 'it' they're off the shortlist and it's back the TiMindy train instead.

I agree with basically everything here, but if Ace makes the same truck as they made before in wider range of sizes which are uniformly labeled, I'm happy with that and I would say that is the one thing that everyone wanted
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on March 17, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ?

Standard Indy: 55mm (too tall, IMHO)

Forged Indys: 53mm (these are MUCH better than standard Indys)

Ace: 52mm

Thunder: 51mm/52mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Giza Butler on March 18, 2021, 01:42:33 AM
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Do we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?
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According to their Insta "Sooner than we think"
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There is fuck all ace 44 left in Europe so I'd imagine it's soon.

Except for one shop who have debited my card for a pair yet haven't confirmed my order which is worrying as I have fuck all cash. Some shops need to up their game.


Word is that they are coming in April. I've seen some 44s around, try Furtivo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 02:56:43 AM
Feels like a lot of the ace team uses risers to get em to standard Indy height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2021, 03:30:48 AM
Feels like a lot of the ace team uses risers to get em to standard Indy height

Funny that some people are so against risers, but at the end of the day, I think I would be happy to have trucks of a slightly lower height to start with that I could put on risers, than have trucks that were too tall to start with, as you couldn't really go lower once they are standard at 55mm height.

That said, I find the 55mm Indy standards perfect for the skating I do and have very thin risers on other setups with lower trucks, be it older Indys, Thunder, etc. 

Oddly enough I don't have risers on the Ace 33 truck setup, but that one has pretty small wheels, compared to my other setups.  The Ace 55 and 66 setups are cruisers, so have 1/4 risers and 60mm wheels.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 18, 2021, 06:38:12 AM
I put my ace back on after skating thunders for awhile and they're so fun. I like medium tightness trucks and am running both washers with a normal bottom and low top bushing. They're awesome, for anyone who had reservations they work just fine for crooks also. Mine are feeling just as good as on thunders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Christmas Complete on March 18, 2021, 06:54:33 AM
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I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.

Where does Ace fall for height between all these ?
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Standard Indy: 55mm (too tall, IMHO)

Forged Indys: 53mm (these are MUCH better than standard Indys)

Ace: 52mm

Thunder: 51mm/52mm

Just to add to this because I had to look it up,

Venture Hi: 53.5mm

Venture Lo: 48mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on March 18, 2021, 10:39:24 AM
Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 18, 2021, 10:48:08 AM
Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.

To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s.  However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 18, 2021, 11:42:57 AM
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Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
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To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s.  However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.

This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 18, 2021, 11:47:42 AM
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Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
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To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s.  However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.
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This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas

That's just what a a new component complete is called, no matter what time of year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on March 18, 2021, 11:55:25 AM
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Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
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To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s.  However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.
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This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas
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That's just what a a new component complete is called, no matter what time of year.
Christmas isn’t a date on a calendar, it’s a state of mind.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 18, 2021, 12:34:59 PM
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Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
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To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s.  However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.
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This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas
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That's just what a a new component complete is called, no matter what time of year.

Call Fox News, I am going to wage a war on Christmas completes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on March 18, 2021, 01:02:39 PM
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are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent
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Yes /thread

mine definitely were. and I could tell by how they rode. new set running great though, love them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 19, 2021, 03:07:12 AM
Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 19, 2021, 03:14:38 AM
Here's a 4 month test (https://www.skatedeluxe.com/blog/en/ace-44-classic-5-75-trucks-skate-test/) on Ace 44's. They definitely look slightly more curve-y to me in the second picture.

(https://i.imgur.com/hZFwkYl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bVUSTQU.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 19, 2021, 03:32:52 AM
Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\

I think they are staying the same, but I haven't seen the new ones yet to know.

That second pic definitely looks different, but camera angles and other things distort the image too.  I find holding or sitting the truck horizontal and taking it right at eye level to the hangers both lining up gives the best view, not too close in either.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 19, 2021, 04:07:25 AM
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Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\
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I think they are staying the same, but I haven't seen the new ones yet to know.

That second pic definitely looks different, but camera angles and other things distort the image too.  I find holding or sitting the truck horizontal and taking it right at eye level to the hangers both lining up gives the best view, not too close in either.

In the second pic both trucks look straight to me. You could argue the front truck (or the one in focus) may have a slight bend due to the coning of the wheels but all wheels cone. Not knowing how they skate or what they skate could have led to that. They may just turn that direction more frequently. But to me they still look straight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 19, 2021, 08:22:10 AM
Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\

The new 44s I measured were an 8.25" axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 19, 2021, 08:47:22 AM
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The new 44s I measured were an 8.25" axle.

In the Ad it showed them as being 8.25" as well. That being said, in the one press release thing the said they were going to keep the current stage as "Ace Classics", so one would think they would keep using the same molds and sizing and whatnot for those. Who knows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on March 19, 2021, 08:53:48 AM
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I think they are staying the same, but I haven't seen the new ones yet to know.

That second pic definitely looks different, but camera angles and other things distort the image too.  I find holding or sitting the truck horizontal and taking it right at eye level to the hangers both lining up gives the best view, not too close in either.
Yeah, this is what I was going to say after looking at those photos.  We've all seen the photos in the setup thread where the wheels look all crooked.  Can't trust the phone camera distortions.  If it was the same angle, distance etc it would be a cleaner comparison
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on March 19, 2021, 09:27:39 AM
from my understanding only the new "af1" will have the new sizes, but the old "classic" model might retain the previous size. not certain but thats what i took from the order form.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 19, 2021, 09:41:07 AM
AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 19, 2021, 09:50:26 AM
52mm is low enough, agreed. Don’t think many went lower than that. Seems like a lot of ace riders use risers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on March 19, 2021, 10:20:17 AM
I think my bar is a little lower than some in this thread. I will be copping a set of the AF1s for the 8.5 axle no matter what. If there is even an attempt at making the axles stronger or less prone to bending, that's a bonus. I don't mind if this generation isn't some sort of scientific truck breakthrough, but it also wouldn't hurt if there was some new baseplate or kingpin tech.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 19, 2021, 10:34:10 AM
I think my bar is a little lower than some in this thread. I will be copping a set of the AF1s for the 8.5 axle no matter what. If there is even an attempt at making the axles stronger or less prone to bending, that's a bonus. I don't mind if this generation isn't some sort of scientific truck breakthrough, but it also wouldn't hurt if there was some new baseplate or kingpin tech.
Yeah, I’m fine w/ them as they are now, also, as well, too.
All I really want from a new Ace is 8.5 & 8.75 axles.
Maybe a stronger axle? But, in fairness, I say that as somebody who is yet to bend a set myself.
I did pick up another set of 55s a li’l bit ago, as insurance against said bend, as well as a “just in case,” should they decide to fuck around w/ the geo & wreck that sweet turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on March 19, 2021, 01:06:37 PM
Something I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 19, 2021, 01:13:22 PM
Something I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.

They work well for street skating. But in regards to "how people skate them" I've noticed a lot of ace riders have this interesting sort of stance, and when I rode them, I noticed myself even doing it sometimes. Feet closer together with the knees bent inward some. Watch oski, shin, Ronnie sandoval, villie wester (however you spell it) they all do it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 19, 2021, 01:27:38 PM
AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.

Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2021, 01:48:59 PM
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Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.

Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 19, 2021, 01:53:45 PM
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Something I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.
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They work well for street skating. But in regards to "how people skate them" I've noticed a lot of ace riders have this interesting sort of stance, and when I rode them, I noticed myself even doing it sometimes. Feet closer together with the knees bent inward some. Watch oski, shin, Ronnie sandoval, villie wester (however you spell it) they all do it.
legs like that for a quicker snap/pop with the shortened wb? my biggest thing was the pop angle with back foot placement needing to be further away from the tip of the tail. maybe pair with a steeper deck? less fingers of flat?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 19, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
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Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.

They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 19, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
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Something I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.
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They work well for street skating. But in regards to "how people skate them" I've noticed a lot of ace riders have this interesting sort of stance, and when I rode them, I noticed myself even doing it sometimes. Feet closer together with the knees bent inward some. Watch oski, shin, Ronnie sandoval, villie wester (however you spell it) they all do it.
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legs like that for a quicker snap/pop with the shortened wb? my biggest thing was the pop angle with back foot placement needing to be further away from the tip of the tail. maybe pair with a steeper deck? less fingers of flat?

I assume it has something to do with the shortened WB mixed with their surfy nature. Not entirely sure though. Look for it, and you will definitely notice it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2021, 02:15:22 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
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Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.
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They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make. 

Any idea if 'cast thick' forged plates would be same the same weight maybe? and if more expensive totally not worth it.

Which brings up a good point, assuming these new AF1s might be slightly more $$ than 'classics'
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 19, 2021, 02:25:16 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
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Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.
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They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make. 
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Any idea if 'cast thick' forged plates would be same the same weight maybe? and if more expensive totally not worth it.

Which brings up a good point, assuming these new AF1s might be slightly more $$ than 'classics'

Depends on the process and tolerances I suppose. Forged, you're working with a solid billet of aluminum. But a quality gravity cast truck *should* be pretty free of air-bubbles, so any weight difference *should* be negligible. Definitely a more expensive process and materials, so yeah, forged at the same height/thickness wouldn't make much sense. But you could have some pretty serious weight relief on the underside of the baseplate without affecting the durability. All theoretical of course, cause as you said I don't think anyone makes a standard thickness forged plate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 19, 2021, 02:29:56 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1. Maybe these are just the latest iteration of the classics, while the next/new truck is still around the...
I don’t know, homey. I haven’t even seen the advert in real life, only on here. My conjecture is based on publicly available info, as well as a couple rando convos I had with people in position to sniff what was coming down the ol’ flume of effluvia (Ace team dudes I occasionally skate with.)
There’s no reason to take my speculation any more seriously than anybody else’s, and I offer my apology if I came off sounding like an insider with secret knowledge.
Could well be that these new jawns have that Ace “rings logo” pattern under them, or that or that those forged-looking plates we saw were actually just CNCd jobbers to serve as prototypes, or... who knows?
Pretty sure they’d mention a forged plate in the advert, if’n they were gonna run with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 19, 2021, 03:15:03 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
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Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1. Maybe these are just the latest iteration of the classics, while the next/new truck is still around the...
I don’t know, homey. I haven’t even seen the advert in real life, only on here. My conjecture is based on publicly available info, as well as a couple rando convos I had with people in position to sniff what was coming down the ol’ flume of effluvia (Ace team dudes I occasionally skate with.)
There’s no reason to take my speculation any more seriously than anybody else’s, and I offer my apology if I came off sounding like an insider with secret knowledge.
Could well be that these new jawns have that Ace “rings logo” pattern under them, or that or that those forged-looking plates we saw were actually just CNCd jobbers to serve as prototypes, or... who knows?
Pretty sure they’d mention a forged plate in the advert, if’n they were gonna run with them.

No worries at all. I dig the speculation all the same. It's interesting to have seen these sorta get r&d'd on the ground, seeing a pic here or there of some prototypes jobs, even if only 20% of it makes it to the final product. Seeing dudes like Oski having the prototypes on their setups leads me to believe there's actual rider to designer conversations happening about the final product, which is always cool.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 19, 2021, 05:04:11 PM
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AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
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Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
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Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.
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They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make. 
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Any idea if 'cast thick' forged plates would be same the same weight maybe? and if more expensive totally not worth it.

Which brings up a good point, assuming these new AF1s might be slightly more $$ than 'classics'

They are heavier. At least the prototypes were.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 19, 2021, 05:05:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JWWovez.jpg)

Got some of the Ace axle and kingpin re-threader nuts gifted to be from the local. But no news from anyone on the actual truck drop date....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 19, 2021, 09:03:34 PM

Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.

I cropped the whole ad down to see all the text, but forgot to put up the two page from Thrasher May 2021 after all that.

(https://i.ibb.co/NnYmPLg/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/prXR836/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prXR836)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 19, 2021, 09:12:45 PM
When they say “Introducing the most technical truck ever made” they mean the most technical truck THEY’ve ever made, right?!?
I mean... I’m a big fan of these these trucks, but absent some weight saving hollowness here & there, as well as forged plates, interlocking bushies, or some other gimmick, they strike me as the same old, stone-axe simple, Ace trucks I know & love.
Where’s all this technical advancement hiding?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on March 20, 2021, 04:19:32 AM
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Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.
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I cropped the whole ad down to see all the text, but forgot to put up the two page from Thrasher May 2021 after all that.

(https://i.ibb.co/NnYmPLg/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/prXR836/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prXR836)

Does the axle engraving say 8.25? Any one know the new sizing chart? I was hoping for hollows etc but as long as they are more durable with better QC I'll give them a try. I have been wanting to make the jump for awhile.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 20, 2021, 07:26:49 AM
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Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.
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I cropped the whole ad down to see all the text, but forgot to put up the two page from Thrasher May 2021 after all that.

(https://i.ibb.co/NnYmPLg/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/prXR836/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prXR836)

This gives me hope that the Classic line will be left untouched.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2021, 08:21:48 AM

 Any one know the new sizing chart?

it was posted on here awhile back but a few people heard axle size is going like this for the Af 1s:

33 8"
44 8.25"
55 8.5"
66 8.75"
77 9.125"

This will be wonderfully confusing if the Classics stay the same sizes. Rad though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 20, 2021, 08:37:50 AM
def cop. been meaning to step down to 8.25 - 8.125 and axle rethreader is a good choice, cant see how it can come off gimmicky.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on March 20, 2021, 04:29:51 PM
def cop. been meaning to step down to 8.25 - 8.125 and axle rethreader is a good choice, cant see how it can come off gimmicky.

Including a standalone retheader is indeed pretty cool of them. I think people were chirping on the "self rethreading axle nuts," which sounds like another go at the 38 specials they did a few years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 20, 2021, 04:52:51 PM
Should call the new A1 model like 44a 55a etc if so. Or we can, but the fact the new “55a1” is 9.125” and the 55 original is 9” is just straight up confusing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 20, 2021, 07:42:11 PM
When they say “Introducing the most technical truck ever made” they mean the most technical truck THEY’ve ever made, right?!?
I mean... I’m a big fan of these these trucks, but absent some weight saving hollowness here & there, as well as forged plates, interlocking bushies, or some other gimmick, they strike me as the same old, stone-axe simple, Ace trucks I know & love.
Where’s all this technical advancement hiding?

Not to mention that "most technical" is absolutely devoid of any meaning
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 21, 2021, 08:05:17 AM
Trucks are meant to turn and grind right?
Yeah, ACE are the best at that technical aspect of their existence.

Joey out there teasing new AF1 55s this morning in his gram stories. Jah bless.

Truthfully, sadly being that I ride 9" boards on everything, probs gonna have to stick with the classic 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 21, 2021, 08:06:07 AM
Closeup of the AF1 55:

(https://i.imgur.com/GH44q7V.jpg)

Metal and finish look different then the current Version.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 21, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
Closeup of the AF1 55:

(https://i.imgur.com/GH44q7V.jpg)

Metal and finish look different then the current Version.

Looks like new engraving and the 55 is on the opposite side too.

But I’m also dumb they could be using some camera trickery.

(https://i.ibb.co/bv0zDjD/C84-DDD13-551-E-433-D-8-AAA-B2372-C54-FE81.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: left knee cap on March 21, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
i ride a 8.25 with venture 5.6 and an 8.38 with 149s, but i'm trying to consolidate to one set up and i'm thinking about going ACE. would 44s be good for an 8.25 and not stick out? i feel like this question has been answered before but, i was just curious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on March 21, 2021, 10:25:07 AM
i ride a 8.25 with venture 5.6 and an 8.38 with 149s, but i'm trying to consolidate to one set up and i'm thinking about going ACE. would 44s be good for an 8.25 and not stick out? i feel like this question has been answered before but, i was just curious.
I would definitely go with 44s. I’ve done it before and if i remember correctly it was totally fine. nice and stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 21, 2021, 10:43:20 AM
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def cop. been meaning to step down to 8.25 - 8.125 and axle rethreader is a good choice, cant see how it can come off gimmicky.
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Including a standalone retheader is indeed pretty cool of them. I think people were chirping on the "self rethreading axle nuts," which sounds like another go at the 38 specials they did a few years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2021, 09:35:30 PM
Closeup of the AF1 55:

(https://i.imgur.com/GH44q7V.jpg)

Metal and finish look different then the current Version.

The difference is that they’re using better, higher quality moulds. The previous one were sand cast, which is the cheap way
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 22, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
I just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 22, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
I just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.

Anyway you could post a pic of the new AF1 sizes straight out the catalog? Or just make a post with the official new truck sizes? Really curious if theyre putting out an 8.75 truck along with the obvious 8.5 one coming out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 22, 2021, 06:01:36 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/2yqhN54/E2-CFA128-4-D89-4-DD6-9-E2-F-5-CE6-E4-FA4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yqhN54)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 22, 2021, 06:38:35 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/2yqhN54/E2-CFA128-4-D89-4-DD6-9-E2-F-5-CE6-E4-FA4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yqhN54)

Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 22, 2021, 07:20:07 PM
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?

I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2021, 07:40:03 PM
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?
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I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.

If you zoom in on the pic, it looks like 9.0 is engraved on the axle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2021, 07:42:21 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/2yqhN54/E2-CFA128-4-D89-4-DD6-9-E2-F-5-CE6-E4-FA4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yqhN54)



That hanger wing taper is sexy as fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 22, 2021, 08:15:12 PM
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Anyway you could post a pic of the new AF1 sizes straight out the catalog? Or just make a post with the official new truck sizes? Really curious if theyre putting out an 8.75 truck along with the obvious 8.5 one coming out.
Sorry man, I didn’t get any pics &#128533; I can ask to see that catalog again next time I’m going there, but I’m sure plenty of people here should have access to it too...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie nollie on March 22, 2021, 09:36:02 PM
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 22, 2021, 09:42:17 PM
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.

Hope you'll enjoy them as much as I like mine! I ride 44s on 8.5 most of the time, and they are perfect with 3 washers inside of each wheel tbh. Pushes the wheels out just enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on March 22, 2021, 10:11:03 PM
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.

I'm curious why you hate Ventures? I switched from Aces to Ventures (the axle bent on my Aces) and so far I like them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?
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I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.
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If you zoom in on the pic, it looks like 9.0 is engraved on the axle

I see it, keen eye! Gnarred. So maybe there still isn't going to be an 8.75"?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 23, 2021, 06:08:08 AM
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.

Settled my madness recently, in doing so I went from venture 5.6 hollows to ace 44 at one point. Weird how my board felt lighter while skating with the aces due to the wb, even though they're heavier. Settled on indys though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 23, 2021, 06:25:08 AM
The chart on the page before said 66s are 9.125 or some shit, that axle says 9. JOEY WE NEED CLARITY JAH BLESS

If the AF1 has a 9" even truck I cant order it fast enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?
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I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.
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If you zoom in on the pic, it looks like 9.0 is engraved on the axle
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I see it, keen eye! Gnarred. So maybe there still isn't going to be an 8.75"?

Makes me wonder if instead of getting a perfect 8.5 axle we'll be getting a weird 8.6 one or something so they can work on both? Sort of like when they moved the 44 up to 8.38 instead of 8.25 for the ppl who skate 8.5. Would be weird if they didnt try and capatalize with a 8.7 truck though, the two most common truck sizes I see are 8.5 and 8.75 anyways
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 23, 2021, 07:23:33 AM
I dig how they went back to the Stage 2 hanger design for these AF1's. When they came out with the Stage 3 hanger, they beefed up the "V" and it's never looked quite right to me. Like some weird step closer to a Theeve V3 hanger or something. AF1's bring it back to the more signature "svelt" look.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 23, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
I dig how they went back to the Stage 2 hanger design for these AF1's. When they came out with the Stage 3 hanger, they beefed up the "V" and it's never looked quite right to me. Like some weird step closer to a Theeve V3 hanger or something. AF1's bring it back to the more signature "svelt" look.

Well, since Theeve was borrowing from ACE (broken record statement: Theeve prototypes ran on ACE plates), and both had issues with that svelt design, it's no wonder they beefed it. Stage I for both were damn sexy, Theeve TiKings were so fucking light with that hanger and Ti pin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie nollie on March 23, 2021, 02:57:40 PM
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
Here’s my review after my first session on them:

I had a change of heart and went with the 55’s. The axle pokes out a smidgen on my 8.5 but is workable.

Took me about 45 minutes of rolling around my park and 30 minutes of doing slappies/skating flat to almost fully break these in.

What I like about these trucks after having ventures for a while:
-Turning is improved, for sure.
-Setting up onto a new board isn’t a painful experience
-I’m finding that my pop feels a little better with the axles positioned closer to the center of my board than the ventures were. I could be completely making up that last part.
-Slightly heavier but I like that

My gripes about this truck are completely subjective: I’m not used to a hanger/axle this wide and am finding I need to force the sides of my truck onto the ledge more-so than I did on my ventures.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on March 23, 2021, 03:13:52 PM
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I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
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Here’s my review after my first session on them:

I had a change of heart and went with the 55’s. The axle pokes out a smidgen on my 8.5 but is workable.

Took me about 45 minutes of rolling around my park and 30 minutes of doing slappies/skating flat to almost fully break these in.

What I like about these trucks after having ventures for a while:
-Turning is improved, for sure.
-Setting up onto a new board isn’t a painful experience
-I’m finding that my pop feels a little better with the axles positioned closer to the center of my board than the ventures were. I could be completely making up that last part.
-Slightly heavier but I like that

My gripes about this truck are completely subjective: I’m not used to a hanger/axle this wide and am finding I need to force the sides of my truck onto the ledge more-so than I did on my ventures.

God damn it. Now you're making me miss my Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 24, 2021, 06:00:56 PM
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I just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.
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Anyway you could post a pic of the new AF1 sizes straight out the catalog? Or just make a post with the official new truck sizes? Really curious if theyre putting out an 8.75 truck along with the obvious 8.5 one coming out.
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Sorry man, I didn’t get any pics &#38;#128533; I can ask to see that catalog again next time I’m going there, but I’m sure plenty of people here should have access to it too...

Anyone else seen his catalog yet? I swear I dream of these new Aces most nights...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 25, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
My shop told me all the AF1s are at the port, waiting to come in.

If you've seen the ships from the beaches in Southern California lately near Pedro, you know that might mean awhile.

JUST WISH THEYD POST THE GODDAMN SIZE CHART!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 25, 2021, 10:43:20 AM
Not surprising at all.

I think you'll be stoked on the sizes, Big Dave. Whereas my hope for a certain size might be dashed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 25, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 25, 2021, 10:44:49 AM
Commneted on aces instagram yesterday about when the AF1s are dropping, " Before summer" is the response i got so now im assuming theyre going to come out in mid may or something. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 25, 2021, 10:46:04 AM
@RichardBarkley
That bulge happens when they are brand new. You have to break them in. Keep it loose and spend some time leaning back and fore on the carpet. It doesn't take too long. Once they are nice and squished, they are a solid bushing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 25, 2021, 10:47:14 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?

I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 25, 2021, 10:49:05 AM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 25, 2021, 10:53:39 AM
Not surprising at all.

I think you'll be stoked on the sizes, Big Dave. Whereas my hope for a certain size might be dashed.

I hope so, I just want a straight 9" truck again in the new form. Looks like that may be the 66, but who knows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 25, 2021, 10:55:45 AM
I think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?

Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 25, 2021, 11:02:09 AM
I think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?

Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...

Prob going to atleast have an 8.5 in the new lineup, those would prob better than the current 44s on an 8.75.  But yeah the new 66s look like theyre def gonna be a straight 9.0 axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 25, 2021, 11:05:24 AM
Yeah an 8.5" will be welcome for sure. I ride decks between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25 shaped boards and 159s/ 151s are the most versatile trucks for this range and my tastes... but I prefer Ace.

it would be nice to be able to commit to one truck size, as switching up trucks seems to have a more detrimental influence on my consistency than deck and wheel size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 25, 2021, 11:23:44 AM
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I think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?

Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...
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Prob going to atleast have an 8.5 in the new lineup, those would prob better than the current 44s on an 8.75.  But yeah the new 66s look like theyre def gonna be a straight 9.0 axle.

I'd much rather get a 8.75 Ace than a 8.5, the current 44s are already pretty close to 8.5, while the 0.65" gap between 44s (8.35) and 55s (9.0) is a lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 25, 2021, 11:30:11 AM
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I think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?

Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...
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Prob going to atleast have an 8.5 in the new lineup, those would prob better than the current 44s on an 8.75.  But yeah the new 66s look like theyre def gonna be a straight 9.0 axle.
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I'd much rather get a 8.75 Ace than a 8.5, the current 44s are already pretty close to 8.5, while the 0.65" gap between 44s (8.35) and 55s (9.0) is a lot.


I agree, I would much prefer ace to put out an 8.75 truck instead of the 8.5 but it really looks like the sizing for the new af1s are going to be like this:
33 8.0 axle
44 8.25 axle
55 8.5 axle
66 9.0 axle

Also im assuming theres going to be a 77 in the new line thats going to be atleast over 9.2 wide
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 25, 2021, 12:02:25 PM
Yeah an 8.5" will be welcome for sure. I ride decks between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25 shaped boards and 159s/ 151s are the most versatile trucks for this range and my tastes... but I prefer Ace.

it would be nice to be able to commit to one truck size, as switching up trucks seems to have a more detrimental influence on my consistency than deck and wheel size.

Pretty much my sentiments. I'd rather keep rotating 44s and 55s (or 55s and 66s) than switch, but an 8.75" truck seems like a no-brainer.

Then again, I definitely publicly accused 8.25" trucks of being ridiculous and unnecessary when they came out so what do I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 27, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 27, 2021, 03:30:27 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme


Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 27, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)

Internet translation:

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ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 27, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)

Internet translation:

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ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 27, 2021, 04:29:27 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
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Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.

Yep I like em tight haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 27, 2021, 05:28:15 PM
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Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
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ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
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If the 6.1" Hanger width is correct, I'm stoked. That's 155mm and more like a 159/ 151 size. Hanger width is more important anyway. The current 55s hangers are about 6.37" or 162mm for reference.

Perhaps the axles are longer for people to add washers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 27, 2021, 05:31:23 PM
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Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
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ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
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If the 6.1" Hanger width is correct, I'm stoked. That's 155mm and more like a 159/ 151 size. Hanger width is more important anyway. The current 55s hangers are about 6.37" or 162mm for reference.

Perhaps the axles are longer for people to add washers?

@Frank and Fred that is what I am thinking based on the width and the fact that the translation of the shops IG post said that the new axles have extra threads. The description lists the board size range for the old ones but the 6.1 seems to be new info. Let's hope.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 27, 2021, 05:40:10 PM
It makes a lot of sense and explains the gap between the new 55s and 66s for sure. I'll be happy to be a 66 bloke.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 27, 2021, 05:48:55 PM
Here's the Polish size chart. Amazing that we are learning all this from Poland!

(https://i.imgur.com/vT4zR6X.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 27, 2021, 05:56:27 PM
Here's the Polish size chart. Amazing that we are learning all this from Poland!

(https://i.imgur.com/vT4zR6X.png)

Nice! It looks like they didn't update the board sizes though. Also confirms the 77.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 27, 2021, 06:52:04 PM
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)

Assuming that these meaurements are legit, you could prob file or cut down the axles on the new 66 to make a perfectly legitimate 8.75 truck, very hyped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Christmas Complete on March 27, 2021, 06:58:16 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
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Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.

"I've got my shoelaces as tight as I can physically pull them. Why are my feet getting numb? Stupid shoes."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on March 27, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
well no 8.5 truck. guess i’ll try 3 washers on my 44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 27, 2021, 07:52:59 PM
The new AF1 55s are 8.5. Take a closer look. Can't you read Polish?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 27, 2021, 08:00:28 PM
any info on height? or interested to hear if a1 adjusts the wheelbase any differently
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 27, 2021, 08:07:39 PM
The height is listed as 52mm on that website. I don't think geometry has been altered at all so wheelbase should be the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 27, 2021, 08:08:15 PM
any info on height? or interested to hear if a1 adjusts the wheelbase any differently

Still 52mm according to that site.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 27, 2021, 08:26:27 PM
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme

For what it’s worth, the last set of 33s I had did the whole bushing popping out thing no matter how loose I had them (top and bottoms). To the point where if I didn’t land dead center, they’d pop out and wouldn’t rebound straight leading to me stepping off of a lot of tricks. I had to replace the top and bottom washers with some spare venture washers I had laying around. That instantly fixed it.

Edit* those trucks are offensively tight my man haha let them breathe a little &#128512;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie nollie on March 27, 2021, 08:36:33 PM
I tried 55’s on a 8.5 and wasn’t stoked on the axle being noticeably wider than the board. I’m on 44’s and a 8.38 with SF Classics now. It is the absolute perfect setup.

Saving the 55’s for a cruiser/car board I’m building
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on March 27, 2021, 09:58:16 PM
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
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For what it’s worth, the last set of 33s I had did the whole bushing popping out thing no matter how loose I had them (top and bottoms). To the point where if I didn’t land dead center, they’d pop out and wouldn’t rebound straight leading to me stepping off of a lot of tricks. I had to replace the top and bottom washers with some spare venture washers I had laying around. That instantly fixed it.

Edit* those trucks are offensively tight my man haha let them breathe a little &#128512;

the bushing pop out is super annoying, and it happens to everyone at first

try to push it back in with a house key

and if it doesn't work, take note of where your thread is at
and take that shit off and reset it.

the key is to skate them for about 2 weeks.  they'll stop doing it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on March 28, 2021, 01:04:03 AM
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:

https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)

Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.

(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)

What I'm getting is that the Ace 44 Classic hanger width has been reduced from 5.75" (https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-trucks-44-polished) to 5.5" . In the meanwhile the AF1 55's have an axle width of 5.7". This would mean the AF1 55's are identical to the current 44's, maybe the axles reach out a bit further to make them 8.5. That's interesting because I already find Ace axles to reach out quite a bit from the nut. This is just based on the dimensions they have on the website. Wish they had the weight of the trucks listed as well to confirm the theory.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 28, 2021, 01:32:12 AM
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
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Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.
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"I've got my shoelaces as tight as I can physically pull them. Why are my feet getting numb? Stupid shoes."

Lots of people skate trucks this tight. It's really not that tight. And they are perfect at this tightness, now that they are broken in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on March 28, 2021, 02:47:34 AM
LOL What the fuck with the tightness.  ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 28, 2021, 04:24:31 AM
LOL What the fuck with the tightness.  ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.

It's two threads showing. It's not that tight.

Also it's literally day one of skating them. That's why they popped out due to the tightness.

Now they are broken in they work perfect at that tightness.

Two threads isn't that tight. I still have wheelbite mark from 54s.
 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on March 28, 2021, 06:38:39 AM
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LOL What the fuck with the tightness.  ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.
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It's two threads showing. It's not that tight.

Also it's literally day one of skating them. That's why they popped out due to the tightness.

Now they are broken in they work perfect at that tightness.

Two threads isn't that tight. I still have wheelbite mark from 54s.

Ok, seemed much more than that so I'm sorry. I kept them stock tightness and they feel just right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaptainCheeks on March 28, 2021, 09:56:27 AM
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LOL What the fuck with the tightness.  ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.
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It's two threads showing. It's not that tight.

Also it's literally day one of skating them. That's why they popped out due to the tightness.

Now they are broken in they work perfect at that tightness.

Two threads isn't that tight. I still have wheelbite mark from 54s.
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Ok, seemed much more than that so I'm sorry. I kept them stock tightness and they feel just right.

I had my bushings pop out and switched to a bigger washer from some trucks I had laying around and they were back to normal
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 28, 2021, 06:54:33 PM
Im not totally following here. Are the AF1 66s actually a smaller 9" truck than the current 55s due to hanger width vs axle width? Therefore, a little less stable than the classic 55s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2021, 07:21:42 PM
According to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2021, 07:35:55 PM
Im not totally following here. Are the AF1 66s actually a smaller 9" truck than the current 55s due to hanger width vs axle width? Therefore, a little less stable than the classic 55s?

It is a funny one, but made harder right now, given the fact that shops are supposed to keep things under wraps until the official release, but I think it would be safe to say that until they come out and people can measure them or directly compare the classic line to the AF1, it is a little difficult to give a very accurate measurement comparison.

As already stated by others, both the classic 55 and the AF1 66 are said to have a 9" axle, so make of that what you will.  There might be some ever so slight difference in hanger length, but even basic human measurements can often be out by a mm or two, which can easily be changed with an extra washer or two on the inside to bring the wheels out an extra 4mm in total, even more if the axles are longer.

Not so long now, then I guess all will be revealed and people can check and choose which one works best for them.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 28, 2021, 07:37:47 PM
According to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.

I know this is gonna make a lot of you happy but for me, this is some bullshit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 28, 2021, 08:02:27 PM
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Im not totally following here. Are the AF1 66s actually a smaller 9" truck than the current 55s due to hanger width vs axle width? Therefore, a little less stable than the classic 55s?
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It is a funny one, but made harder right now, given the fact that shops are supposed to keep things under wraps until the official release, but I think it would be safe to say that until they come out and people can measure them or directly compare the classic line to the AF1, it is a little difficult to give a very accurate measurement comparison.

As already stated by others, both the classic 55 and the AF1 66 are said to have a 9" axle, so make of that what you will.  There might be some ever so slight difference in hanger length, but even basic human measurements can often be out by a mm or two, which can easily be changed with an extra washer or two on the inside to bring the wheels out an extra 4mm in total, even more if the axles are longer.

Not so long now, then I guess all will be revealed and people can check and choose which one works best for them.

Thanks man. I am trying to run two 9ish setups, well one a true 9" with at least a 14.75" WB, Coda has a shape that I love that I want to keep riding, with classic 55s, risers, and 56mm wheels. but I also want to run a 9" board in a more playful way, shorter WB, smaller wheels, no risers. Up first is an 8.875 magenta I have....but I really dont wanna fuckin buy a new set of trucks, so I may have to swap my current 55s to this board, then swap them back and buy either the new 66s or the new 55s for the more playful deck.


The madness is killing me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2021, 08:09:15 PM
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According to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.
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I know this is gonna make a lot of you happy but for me, this is some bullshit.

In an ideal world there would have been an 8.75" axle with a 155 hanger and a 9" axle with a 162 hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 28, 2021, 08:13:09 PM
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According to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.
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I know this is gonna make a lot of you happy but for me, this is some bullshit.
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In an ideal world there would have been an 8.75" axle with a 155 hanger and a 9" axle with a 162 hanger.

Literally think I am going to end up with two sets of 55 classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2021, 08:16:00 PM
The interesting thing (if the Polish website as accurate)  is the old 44 and new 55 will both have 5.7" hangers but an 1/8" difference in axle length.

If they keep both the Classics and Af1s in production people are going to be confused as shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on March 29, 2021, 01:39:42 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
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For what it’s worth, the last set of 33s I had did the whole bushing popping out thing no matter how loose I had them (top and bottoms). To the point where if I didn’t land dead center, they’d pop out and wouldn’t rebound straight leading to me stepping off of a lot of tricks. I had to replace the top and bottom washers with some spare venture washers I had laying around. That instantly fixed it.

Edit* those trucks are offensively tight my man haha let them breathe a little &#38;#128512;
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the bushing pop out is super annoying, and it happens to everyone at first

try to push it back in with a house key

and if it doesn't work, take note of where your thread is at
and take that shit off and reset it.

the key is to skate them for about 2 weeks.  they'll stop doing it.

It certainly isnt happening to everyone. Ive only read about bushing poping out on slap. Didnt happen to me nor have i heard about it from anyone irl.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk8bored on March 29, 2021, 06:32:47 AM
I was going to buy the AF1 on that Polish website, but damn they are expensive !! I bought some 6" Film trucks instead, best trucks you can find right now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2021, 07:22:19 AM
I was going to buy the AF1 on that Polish website, but damn they are expensive !! I bought some 6" Film trucks instead, best trucks you can find right now

They had them up when they shouldn't have and most likely got told to pull them, as all the links are broken (or they sold out).

And yes they seem on the higher end of the scale for price, but again that will come out when they are officially released too.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 29, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 29, 2021, 09:46:45 AM
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.

Settle down with all that logic. I suppose you want them to make trucks that don't bend too?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 29, 2021, 09:49:48 AM
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.

I've been adamant that all they really needed to do was put out a 8 5/8" truck and keep the rest of the line as is. Follows the unique sizing convention most people who ride them actually appreciate and would be the perfect size for 8.5"-8.75" boards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 29, 2021, 09:50:17 AM
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.

Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.

Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 29, 2021, 09:57:20 AM
Lots of great points above. Having two lines of trucks with the same names (44 55 66 etc) but with different sizes is going to create a nightmare for mail-order returns.... I'll be sure to buy mine in person from an actual shop so I can be sure of what I am getting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 29, 2021, 10:20:36 AM
I am just waiting to the official word from Ace themselves. Don’t really trust that polish chart too much as wasn’t the board sizing reference outdated anyway? Just a wait and see, excited either way
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 29, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
Well I was trying to track down one of those TU pelican boards today (I did) and I pulled the trigger on another set of classic 55s...I have a problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on March 29, 2021, 12:21:02 PM
I am just waiting to the official word from Ace themselves.

This. no reason to flip out over a scan from a magazine and a homemade sizing chart from a polish website that posted it weeks or even months too early. with a language barrier.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on March 29, 2021, 12:59:20 PM
Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle

(https://i.ibb.co/qJPCngT/445-A47-E8-C5-BB-45-A7-99-FD-40-CA5-C67503-E.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 29, 2021, 01:45:47 PM
Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle

(https://i.ibb.co/qJPCngT/445-A47-E8-C5-BB-45-A7-99-FD-40-CA5-C67503-E.jpg)

Watching this company in action is like watching an old slapstick movie where a character is simultaneously trying to clean up a mess while making an even bigger mess in the act of trying to clean up the first mess.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 29, 2021, 01:49:04 PM
 ;D  yeah but THE TURN!

THE TURN!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on March 29, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?

I know this is late and your prob good now but switching the top washer to a Bones one solved that issue immediately and made them turn even better. But with the kingpin nut flush



 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on March 29, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
To be fair, even with both lines out at the same time Ace’s offerings are still more streamlined and concise than literally every other major brand and most if not all of the confusion here is from us scratching and clawing for any morsel of info we can.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 29, 2021, 05:50:57 PM
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I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
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Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.

Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.

What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2021, 06:11:04 PM
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Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle

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Watching this company in action is like watching an old slapstick movie where a character is simultaneously trying to clean up a mess while making an even bigger mess in the act of trying to clean up the first mess.


It is only the one shop Selectshop (two locations selectshop.eu and selectshop.pl) with the problem of putting up the stock before the date they are supposed to and everyone else seems to have it right and holding off putting anything out until the official release about mid April, as others have said.

Re the truck sizes, yes I agree there is probably going to be some confusion over the same truck number, 44, 55 and 66 being for different sizes in the classic and AF1 options, when compared to all the other truck brands (and yes that is ALL other truck brands I can think of) that have consistent sizes throughout whatever styles they have, eg the Indy 144, Thunder 148, Venture 5.6 is always an 8.25 axle truck in standard, hollow, hollow forged, titanium, mid, etc.

I guess they didn't want to change the format and like the same double digits for the various sizes, which does have a nice ring to it, but the other thing is what if they do add another 8.75 truck down the line - are they going to have to change the name again, eg:

11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, 99 could have been 7.5, 7.75, 8.0, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75, 9.0, 9.25, 9.5 or something like that, but how many shops want to carry up to nine different sizes of the same truck?


At the end of the day, this is Slap, so people can voice opinions and have commentary on everything, as is their want, but I think once they come out, it will be a lot easier to see all the details first hand and hear how they skate.

Not long now!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2021, 07:12:15 PM
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme

This.

Seriously bro, you have them cranked the fuck down, no wonder they are blowing out, the bottom bushing is soft mang...If you want to ride ACE tight and avoid bushing bulge you need to swap the bushings to a harder duro...this is bushing 101.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Eric Dolphy on March 29, 2021, 09:17:32 PM
Ok ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?

Thanks in advance and shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 30, 2021, 03:02:36 AM
Ok ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?

Thanks in advance and shalom

Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.

I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Eric Dolphy on March 30, 2021, 05:14:16 AM
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Ok ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?

Thanks in advance and shalom
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Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.

I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.
Awesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on March 30, 2021, 05:40:24 AM
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Thanks in advance and shalom
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Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.

I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.
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Awesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.

Happy to help my dude!

They come mediumish but for sure skateable. And only use ace bushings and pivot cups or it will fuck with the geometry. They were designed to be skated loose, I run mine super jiggly loose and didn’t cut my bushings or remove washers, because that will also fuck with the  geometry, but I didn’t need to, which is super nice.

I’m stoked for you dude, you’re in for such a treat!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on March 30, 2021, 08:05:07 AM
where are yall finding all this info on the new Aces?  any word on when theyre coming out?  im due for a new pair soon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on March 30, 2021, 08:10:44 AM
If people on slap are already confused, imagine joe schmoe who never pays attention to gear specs trying to make sense of this. I know people who still don't know the difference between 139 and 144 indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 30, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
where are yall finding all this info on the new Aces?  any word on when theyre coming out?  im due for a new pair soon

A Polish webshop had them up early, so pretty much all the speculation was coming from that. They got taken down though. Apparently the first big batch is sitting on a ship waiting to dock, so probably as soon as that happens they'll be up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 30, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
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where are yall finding all this info on the new Aces?  any word on when theyre coming out?  im due for a new pair soon
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A Polish webshop had them up early, so pretty much all the speculation was coming from that. They got taken down though. Apparently the first big batch is sitting on a ship waiting to dock, so probably as soon as that happens they'll be up.

And from some shop owners elsewhere. Some of us felt up some prototypes that are consistent with information that has been posted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
I got sent some info that verifies the axle lengths that we've been discussing, but not necessarily the hanger length. That said, I dont have any real reason to think the hanger measurements are wrong either...

Whatever, my new 55 classics will be here today, so I am good for awhile.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 30, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I know this is late and your prob good now but switching the top washer to a Bones one solved that issue immediately and made them turn even better. But with the kingpin nut flush



 
I did this on my latest pair of 44’s and can comfirm it works, highly recommended.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on March 30, 2021, 04:38:54 PM
Identity posted the AF1, they’re a US shop. Maybe they are closer to roll out now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CND2eDfp6zx/?igshid=1vo23o5hr7qkg
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2021, 05:20:45 PM
Identity posted the AF1, they’re a US shop. Maybe they are closer to roll out now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CND2eDfp6zx/?igshid=1vo23o5hr7qkg

I saw this and immediately demanded answers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on March 30, 2021, 07:44:16 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/PD2vVxX/2419872-A-CBF6-4-C43-BF4-E-2590-DD602-CE0.jpg)

77’s confirmed @ 10 inches - I asked him in the DM’s. I Looks like they’re sending them out to people/shops in the US, now. I can’t wait to try some

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 30, 2021, 08:10:56 PM
What’s everyone’s  guess on the price of A1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on March 30, 2021, 08:12:10 PM
77's appear to be 9.6 according to the axle engraving
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2021, 08:14:39 PM
What’s everyone’s  guess on the price of A1?

21.50-23 per, I bet. I dont think itll stray too high from the 21.50 you see for classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on March 30, 2021, 08:17:29 PM
Sorry I deleted that other picture. I got too excited and started spamming. And you’re right, looks like 9.6 engraved.

I’m guessing $55 a set for the AF1’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 30, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
Looks like the kingpins might be legit grade 8's with that goldish color? I saw on their IG earlier they featured someone's story with AF1's on their set-up and the kingpins are hollow. Most mysterious trucks ever, guys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on March 30, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
Damn. I was really hoping they would have a hex kingpin nut recess in the baseplate for easy inverted kingpin switch!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 30, 2021, 09:52:33 PM
Baseplate’s underside finally revealed. That clarifies a bit for me.
What I took to be forged in early “sneak peaks” turns out to be their “proprietary” whatever with that nice rings logo in it.
I guess I just really wanted the new ones to be a li’l lighter.
Oh well...
As long as they still turn the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on March 31, 2021, 02:30:23 AM
Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle

(https://i.ibb.co/qJPCngT/445-A47-E8-C5-BB-45-A7-99-FD-40-CA5-C67503-E.jpg)

ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY STILL ARE NOT MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK HOLY SHIT ACE THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK DAMMIT WHAT ARE THEY THINKING. Anyways 8.75 ace is the only truck ill ever need and ive been saying that as long as these have been rumored but looks like no luck cause they are idiots and ill still be skating the 9 inch trucks which are a tad bigger than i want
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 31, 2021, 05:41:04 AM


ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY STILL ARE NOT MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK HOLY SHIT ACE THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK DAMMIT WHAT ARE THEY THINKING. Anyways 8.75 ace is the only truck ill ever need and ive been saying that as long as these have been rumored but looks like no luck cause they are idiots and ill still be skating the 9 inch trucks which are a tad bigger than i want

I love seeing other people get as mad as I do over 1/4 inch differences lol, makes me feel less crazy. There was some talk earlier in the thread about there being enough extra axel on the 9" to shave them to 8.75 and be just fine. Maybe try that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 31, 2021, 06:30:47 AM
How do the real wooden universal risers fit on the Ace baseplates? Any overlap?
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Post by: IpathCats on March 31, 2021, 07:20:09 AM
How do the real wooden universal risers fit on the Ace baseplates? Any overlap?

 Idk, I think they made a couple different ones. Could probably sand them. I just get the indy rubber ones and cut the extra
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 31, 2021, 07:35:09 AM
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 Idk, I think they made a couple different ones. Could probably sand them. I just get the indy rubber ones and cut the extra
right. Have plenty of Indy risers and using them currently. Specifically asking about real wooden risers. They did make 3 versions, hence my question about the universal version
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 31, 2021, 07:39:26 AM
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 Idk, I think they made a couple different ones. Could probably sand them. I just get the indy rubber ones and cut the extra
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right. Have plenty of Indy risers and using them currently. Specifically asking about real wooden risers. They did make 3 versions, hence my question about the universal version

Missed the "universal"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 31, 2021, 07:53:37 AM
I started using Bones risers with my Ace's and they fit like 99.4235% flush with the baseplate on all sides. Just have to tap it with your fingernail and get it perfectly lined up before you tighten the bolts all the way down. Of all the risers I've tried these seem to be the best option until Ace comes out with some Riser Force 1's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 31, 2021, 08:50:20 AM
I started using Bones risers with my Ace's and they fit like 99.4235% flush with the baseplate on all sides. Just have to tap it with your fingernail and get it perfectly lined up before you tighten the bolts all the way down. Of all the risers I've tried these seem to be the best option until Ace comes out with some Riser Force 1's.

Nice. How hard or soft are they? I prefer something on the softer side and have been running either Lucky or Krooked.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 31, 2021, 08:55:06 AM
Bones risers are hard. I personally think risers work best when hard.

As for the 3 ply Wood universal Real Risers, they stick out a couple of mm at the front of the baseplate on Aces. However, this does not seem to effect nose or tail slides as far as I have noticed as mine are still intact. Would be easy enough to sand down if they get a little torn up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 31, 2021, 09:01:13 AM
Bones risers are hard. I personally think risers work best when hard.

As for the 3 ply Wood universal Real Risers, they stick out a couple of mm at the front of the baseplate on Aces. However, this does not seem to effect nose or tail slides as far as I have noticed as mine are still intact. Would be easy enough to sand down if they get a little torn up.

Good to know, thank you. Yeah, I get that most people like a harder riser but I am just not into them. No rubber shock pads either, though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 31, 2021, 09:58:51 AM
Bones risers are hard. I personally think risers work best when hard.

As for the 3 ply Wood universal Real Risers, they stick out a couple of mm at the front of the baseplate on Aces. However, this does not seem to effect nose or tail slides as far as I have noticed as mine are still intact. Would be easy enough to sand down if they get a little torn up.
thats a bit of a bummer. Maybe they matchup with indy flush
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 31, 2021, 10:01:05 AM
Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 31, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?

They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 31, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.

its mental heath shit dude. Holy fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 31, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
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I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
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Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.

Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.
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What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???

None of us know how the new Aces perform. It could be for better or for worse. Those that don't like how the new Aces perform can still stick with the old ones without worrying about running out of stock.

Same reason why people still skate older stages of Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on March 31, 2021, 01:07:22 PM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.

Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 31, 2021, 01:55:53 PM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones

You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on March 31, 2021, 02:06:33 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)

Got some 44s. Really like them so far.

But what's with the bushings poping out ?
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I know this is late and your prob good now but switching the top washer to a Bones one solved that issue immediately and made them turn even better. But with the kingpin nut flush



 
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I did this on my latest pair of 44’s and can comfirm it works, highly recommended.

U know it.

For 54mm plus wheels - stick some 1/8 risers on and the turn gets even better! U can defo see why a lot of ppl are doing this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on March 31, 2021, 02:15:38 PM
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I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
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Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.

Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.
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What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???
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None of us know how the new Aces perform. It could be for better or for worse. Those that don't like how the new Aces perform can still stick with the old ones without worrying about running out of stock.

Same reason why people still skate older stages of Indys.

The new trucks use the exact same geometry.
It says it at the top of the fucking advertisement for the AF1s.

It was stupid of ace to make two different lines of trucks. Literally no point in having two lines of trucks with different axle and hanger lenghts that use the same numbering system. Just going to confuse everybody who wants them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 31, 2021, 02:25:07 PM
For those that wanted to know, here are the 3ply Real Risers on an Ace.

(https://i.imgur.com/omyn85t.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 31, 2021, 03:07:17 PM
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I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51.  The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
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Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.

Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.
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What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???
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None of us know how the new Aces perform. It could be for better or for worse. Those that don't like how the new Aces perform can still stick with the old ones without worrying about running out of stock.

Same reason why people still skate older stages of Indys.
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The new trucks use the exact same geometry.
It says it at the top of the fucking advertisement for the AF1s.

It was stupid of ace to make two different lines of trucks. Literally no point in having two lines of trucks with different axle and hanger lenghts that use the same numbering system. Just going to confuse everybody who wants them.

Sure, but they also changed the bushings and have different axle nuts (their second shot at reinventing them).

Honestly this is a dumb thing to get heated over.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on March 31, 2021, 04:49:51 PM
For those that wanted to know, here are the 3ply Real Risers on an Ace.

(https://i.imgur.com/omyn85t.jpg)
i asked. Thanks @Frank and Fred, always helpful
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 01, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
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Ok ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?

Thanks in advance and shalom
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Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.

I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.
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Awesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.
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Happy to help my dude!

They come mediumish but for sure skateable. And only use ace bushings and pivot cups or it will fuck with the geometry. They were designed to be skated loose, I run mine super jiggly loose and didn’t cut my bushings or remove washers, because that will also fuck with the  geometry, but I didn’t need to, which is super nice.

I’m stoked for you dude, you’re in for such a treat!

Out of curiosity, how do you get them jiggly loose with stock everything? I had to switch out the top bushings to shorter ones to do that. I tried running them stock super loose and my back kingpin nut fell off doing slappies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 01, 2021, 07:00:53 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
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You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.

Thank God.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 01, 2021, 07:16:47 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
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You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
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Thank God.

I know we aren't madness shaming in the gear section, come on were better than this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 01, 2021, 07:45:49 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
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You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
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Thank God.
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I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.

Permission to sig, sir?

Edit: Plusskateboarding on Insta has the AF1 spec sheet in their stories, says they'll be available next week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 01, 2021, 09:11:05 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
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You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
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Thank God.
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I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.
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Permission to sig, sir?

Edit: Plusskateboarding on Insta has the AF1 spec sheet in their stories, says they'll be available next week.

Granted!

And I got you on the spec sheet
(https://i.imgur.com/sePeIuP.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 01, 2021, 09:40:35 AM
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Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)

Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
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They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
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Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
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You dont have to.

Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
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Thank God.
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I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.
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Permission to sig, sir?

Edit: Plusskateboarding on Insta has the AF1 spec sheet in their stories, says they'll be available next week.
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Granted!

And I got you on the spec sheet
(https://i.imgur.com/sePeIuP.png)

Axles match board size*


*cue cries of terror from 8.75" crowd
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 01, 2021, 09:41:19 AM
No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 01, 2021, 09:45:14 AM
For anyone curious about the axle material:

https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html

Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 01, 2021, 09:45:46 AM
Lol, upgraded aesthetics with baseplate logos you will never see again...guess there ran out of things to hype.

So all I'm getting is a stronger truck due to better materials and better cups/bushings and standard industry sizes. I'll still try a pair because ACE...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 01, 2021, 09:46:48 AM
No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.

Bruh....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 01, 2021, 09:52:23 AM
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No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.
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Bruh....

you know it.

axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 01, 2021, 09:54:40 AM
Honestly cant believe im saying this but I think im better off with just sticking with the current 44s lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 01, 2021, 09:56:37 AM
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No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.
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Bruh....
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you know it.

axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.

lol I will not freak out. I will definitely be buying one pair of 66s immediately.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 01, 2021, 09:59:06 AM
To the pals that ride classic 44s if y’all plan on trying the AF1s what size are you thinking? I usually skate 8.38-8.5 and I’ve not had to think of what size to do since I got aces. I’m leaning to the 55af1s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 01, 2021, 10:00:07 AM
Honestly cant believe im saying this but I think im better off with just sticking with the current 44s lol

If they're not bending or breaking on you and you don't mind the axle size, nope, no reason. Now the 8.5" crowd is probably the happiest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 01, 2021, 10:01:22 AM
To the pals that ride classic 44s if y’all plan on trying the AF1s what size are you thinking? I usually skate 8.38-8.5 and I’ve not had to think of what size to do since I got aces. I’m leaking to the 55af1s


Im having the same problem lol, prob gonna buy an extra pair of normal 44s before i pull the trigger on either the af144 or af155
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 01, 2021, 10:02:56 AM
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No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.
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Bruh....
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you know it.

axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.
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lol I will not freak out. I will definitely be buying one pair of 66s immediately.

Me too.

I'll likely sample both the Af1 55s and 66s. My goal is to stick to one truck size though, so hope I can make the 66s work. I typically skate boards between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25" shapes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 01, 2021, 10:03:14 AM
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Honestly cant believe im saying this but I think im better off with just sticking with the current 44s lol
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If they're not bending or breaking on you and you don't mind the axle size, nope, no reason. Now the 8.5" crowd is probably the happiest.

 Yea exactly, i ride 8.18 to 8.6 so the normal 44s are pretty prime right now, def gonna try a pair of the af1s tho, just because
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 01, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
Pretty spicy (for an Ace thread) in here. 5 new replies while I was typing this up.

Curious to see what the price difference is between the classics and AF1s. I do think the marketing is going to be used to justify a much higher price point, maybe similar to (or even slightly higher than) what other brands use with their forged hollow models.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 01, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
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Bruh....
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you know it.

axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.
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lol I will not freak out. I will definitely be buying one pair of 66s immediately.
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Me too.

I'll likely sample both the Af1 55s and 66s. My goal is to stick to one truck size though, so hope I can make the 66s work. I typically skate boards between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25" shapes.

Yeah, I am trying to do two setups. Ive got an 8.875 magenta on reg 55s w/ no risers, 53mm wheels I am riding at home on my mini, but what I need to get set up are these Transportation Unit Pelicans I bought, w/ 56mm wheels and bronson ceramics and 1/8s....salivating at doing that with the AF166s....even if the hanger is slightly more narrow than the 55s. I have a new set of 55s just hanging out now, but Im gonna hold out for the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 01, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
Curious that marketing sheet doesn't list that they are all hollow and forged, which was the rumor right?

Speed ring futures are about to get really volatile.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 01, 2021, 10:20:43 AM
 No way they are keeping the old classic line

Like there is so little changed here... What's the point in having two near identical products... That follow two completely different size charts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on April 01, 2021, 10:26:04 AM
Will the new baseplate design shave off any weight? Just curious bc that would be the only positive of the new graphic design on the bottom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 01, 2021, 10:41:33 AM
No way they are keeping the old classic line

Like there is so little changed here... What's the point in having two near identical products... That follow two completely different size charts.

Most truck companies have multiple price-point trucks.

The difference between the Ace classic and AF1 seems more substantial than say a Venture high vs Venture v-hollow when you think about it. The latter is just a difference in axle, kingpin, and plate manufacturing technique whereas the Aces use a completely different type of aluminum, axle, kingpin, pivot cup, nuts, and (currently at least) sizing. It is just that the emphasis isn't on weight reduction.

Re:the sizing, they have a shit ton of classics sitting around that need to sell. I'd be willing to bet that down the line they scrap the different sizing for most (if not all) of the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LewFarrell on April 01, 2021, 11:17:24 AM
Dropping April 16th in Canada.
(https://i.ibb.co/6Jy5ybp/Screenshot-20210401-140832.png) (https://ibb.co/6Jy5ybp)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 01, 2021, 11:33:29 AM
Will the new baseplate design shave off any weight? Just curious bc that would be the only positive of the new graphic design on the bottom

Maybe a smidge. But it looks like the bulked up elsewhere so it's probably a wash (in reality I'm *guessing* they're going to be heavier than classics). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 01, 2021, 11:45:18 AM
For anyone curious about the axle material:

https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html

Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.

It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 01, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic"  instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: passtheish on April 01, 2021, 12:16:25 PM
Can i get a general consensus of what size trucks, 8.5 Riders who are getting AF1s are looking at?

I usually ride 8.75 trucks on 8.5 decks so the 55 is looking good, but should I get the new 44?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 01, 2021, 12:47:31 PM
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic"  instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.
I wrote a week or so ago that the website changed the classics to 53mm tall. Randomly. Did the baseplate change too then?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on April 01, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
Can i get a general consensus of what size trucks, 8.5 Riders who are getting AF1s are looking at?

I usually ride 8.75 trucks on 8.5 decks so the 55 is looking good, but should I get the new 44?

Get the new 55 for sure. I also was skating 8.75 trucks on 8.5 and I went to the old 44 (8.3 axle) and they felt too narrow for me. The new 44 (8.25 axle) will be even narrower especially if you’re used to 8.75
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 01, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
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https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html

Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.
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It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.

If that's the case, still plenty of bending potential. So basically, we got new sizes and marginal differences in terms of strength/performance. I'll just wait till I hit axle on my "classic" 44's, not rushing to buy these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 01, 2021, 01:36:52 PM
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https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html

Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.
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It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.
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If that's the case, still plenty of bending potential. So basically, we got new sizes and marginal differences in terms of strength/performance. I'll just wait till I hit axle on my "classic" 44's, not rushing to buy these.

For sure, but that's true of any of the big companies that use 4140 as well. All in the heat treat. The new Ace heat treat could be killer. Or not. But it's all guessing until these are in people's hands that aren't being paid to say otherwise.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 01, 2021, 02:01:32 PM
Lol, upgraded aesthetics with baseplate logos you will never see again...guess there ran out of things to hype.

So all I'm getting is a stronger truck due to better materials and better cups/bushings and standard industry sizes. I'll still try a pair because ACE...

*logo’s

I wish I could get hired as the skate industry’s proofreader
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Post by: manysnakes on April 01, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
Will the new baseplate design shave off any weight? Just curious bc that would be the only positive of the new graphic design on the bottom

I think that, if it did, they would be advertising it. My guess is that weight if the entire truck is the same or even heavier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 01, 2021, 02:07:48 PM
No way they are keeping the old classic line

Like there is so little changed here... What's the point in having two near identical products... That follow two completely different size charts.

It will be truly wild if they keep the 44 classic so that there’s still a truck for 8.38” decks, instead of just making one line of trucks and introducing an Ace 49 or something
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Post by: Xen on April 01, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
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For anyone curious about the axle material:

https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html

Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.
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It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.
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If that's the case, still plenty of bending potential. So basically, we got new sizes and marginal differences in terms of strength/performance. I'll just wait till I hit axle on my "classic" 44's, not rushing to buy these.

If the height is now 53 and no weight reduction, I'm going to stick with the upcoming Ti Mindy+Krux pin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 01, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
I took  my hanger width question to the DMs (god, I feel manly after that). The response was, "Check our story." And I did... nothing about hanger width just axle width. So I smoked a doobie like Joey T and now I'm patiently setting aside $50 for a pair of 66s... whatever...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 01, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
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Lol, upgraded aesthetics with baseplate logos you will never see again...guess there ran out of things to hype.

So all I'm getting is a stronger truck due to better materials and better cups/bushings and standard industry sizes. I'll still try a pair because ACE...
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*logo’s

I wish I could get hired as the skate industry’s proofreader
Logos isn't possessive here but it is plural. Been paid to edit but shit slips by and sometimes it's a conversation. Who knows I could be wrong too?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 01, 2021, 03:25:34 PM
I took  my hanger width question to the DMs (god, I feel manly after that). The response was, "Check our story." And I did... nothing about hanger width just axle width. So I smoked a doobie like Joey T and now I'm patiently setting aside $50 for a pair of 66s... whatever...

This is amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on April 01, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
I mainly ride 8.25 - 8.5. Before i switched to ace i always rode 149 thunder or 5.8 venture. 8.5 trucks. Switching to ace last year, i got the 44s. Honestly did not like how I was magic carpeting on my 8.5 deck, made skating them so annoying. So i’ll be getting the AF-1 55’s. But nervous for the potential weight difference.

I was kinda skeptical on switching from the classics but i’ll give it a shot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on April 02, 2021, 04:26:00 AM
Posted on ace's story regarding af1s.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 04:30:42 AM
Posted on ace's story regarding af1s.

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The "AF1" name/acronym worked out so well for this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 02, 2021, 04:32:57 AM
Haven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!”  That would build up to the release better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 04:37:28 AM
Haven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!”  That would build up to the release better.

Well not only that, but some US shops are saying "coming next week!" meanwhile Canadian shops seem to be all saying 4/16. Joey is in Jamaica eating coconut and making music whilst consuming copious amounts of The Devils Lettuce. Shrewgy is making april fools memes at red lights while on a bike ride. Pulsifer is plotting the return of Project in between personal trainer sessions as he prepares to deliver a 14 minute curb part for Thrasher. No one is in charge here. I love it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stebe on April 02, 2021, 04:59:38 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 02, 2021, 05:07:39 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic

Take a look at the AF1 column name
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 02, 2021, 05:22:17 AM
Posted on ace's story regarding af1s.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sgcR4fC9/Screenshot-20210402-071454.png) (https://postimg.cc/sMv8VrXv)

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I wish the 33s weren’t a joke.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on April 02, 2021, 05:51:03 AM
I always read the AF as 'as fuck'. I hope it was meant this way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on April 02, 2021, 05:58:05 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name

Totally went over my head...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 06:01:16 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name
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Totally went over my head...

Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stebe on April 02, 2021, 06:22:14 AM
haha shit, got me proper
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 02, 2021, 06:23:39 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name
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Totally went over my head...
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Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?

As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"

"Our die hard base will get the bit"

Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 06:25:10 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name
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Totally went over my head...
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Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?
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As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"

"Our die hard base will get the bit"

Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"


Yeah, idk. The quirkiness of Ace and lackadaisical shit is part of the appeal. Well that and the turning.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 02, 2021, 07:35:13 AM
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Haven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!”  That would build up to the release better.
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Well not only that, but some US shops are saying "coming next week!" meanwhile Canadian shops seem to be all saying 4/16. Joey is in Jamaica eating coconut and making music whilst consuming copious amounts of The Devils Lettuce. Shrewgy is making april fools memes at red lights while on a bike ride. Pulsifer is plotting the return of Project in between personal trainer sessions as he prepares to deliver a 14 minute curb part for Thrasher. No one is in charge here. I love it.

Haha. It's kind of perfect. Look how sucked in we are.

Anyway, I'm currently getting rid of my old Aces and setting up a board or two to donate to a non-profit. Not b/c I care about under-privileged youth and their skateboardig needs, you understand, but because I need an excuse to try some AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 07:41:24 AM
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Haven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!”  That would build up to the release better.
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Well not only that, but some US shops are saying "coming next week!" meanwhile Canadian shops seem to be all saying 4/16. Joey is in Jamaica eating coconut and making music whilst consuming copious amounts of The Devils Lettuce. Shrewgy is making april fools memes at red lights while on a bike ride. Pulsifer is plotting the return of Project in between personal trainer sessions as he prepares to deliver a 14 minute curb part for Thrasher. No one is in charge here. I love it.
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Haha. It's kind of perfect. Look how sucked in we are.

Anyway, I'm currently getting rid of my old Aces and setting up a board or two to donate to a non-profit. Not b/c I care about under-privileged youth and their skateboardig needs, you understand, but because I need an excuse to try some AF1s.

aka THE MADNESS
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 02, 2021, 08:08:26 AM

Finally starting to put out some official information with release date and specs (that shop people have had to keep under wraps for the last few weeks), but apart from the April Fools, everything else about the release is true and sizes are correct as stated, but I think that is all fairly clear now anyway.

From the latest post with questions re the trucks, reply was "Classics will remain and the AF1 will be like when man discovered &#128293;."


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNJeRPOMQNq/

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 02, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name
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Totally went over my head...
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Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?
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As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"

"Our die hard base will get the bit"

Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"
Wait... So after all this time Ace still doesn't have an exact 8.5" truck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 02, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
April Fools.  AF1 55s will have  8.5 axles.
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Post by: Xen on April 02, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
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Take a look at the AF1 column name
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Totally went over my head...
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Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?
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As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"

"Our die hard base will get the bit"

Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"

Agreed...well played ACE...hollow rumors, an entirely 'forged' design rumor, and they never squashed them, if anything they fed the fire...and in reality they just decided (or can afford) to use better materials. That's it. Just an ACE Stage IV - no idea why they feel the need to re-brand other than axle size conformity...and gimmick axle nuts (the re-threader is a cool add, I'll admit).

They'd have been better off just adding the 'off' and 'standard' sizes to the line with and forgo the classic/AF1 nonsense, and just let the old stock fade away...with the Axle engraving there would be no room for user error.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 02, 2021, 12:17:23 PM
Agreed @Xen  - should’ve been a size 47 between the 44 and 50 with 8.75”-ish axle width and then just added the 77 at the top end.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 02, 2021, 12:28:52 PM
Agreed @Xen  - should’ve been a size 47 between the 44 and 50 with 8.75”-ish axle width and then just added the 77 at the top end.

But that would mess up the 33, 44, 55, 66, 77 conventions (I know, big fucking deal).

33, 35 (8.25) 44, 45 (8.5), 50, 55, etc.

No one blinked an eye at 144s or 148s being added to the lin-up, even if they did mess with the prior naming conventions.

Really tho, just market the damn axle size: ACE 8", ACE 8.25", ACE 8.38", ACE 8.5, etc. makes it even easier.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 02, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
Honestly a brand just selling a truck model using the goddam axle size would be a novelty at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on April 02, 2021, 01:00:06 PM
Actual size chart:

(https://i.imgur.com/ToBf7UE.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 01:03:56 PM
These brand new 55 classics sitting on my desk right now, staring at me longingly, begging to be strapped to my new Transportation Unit pelican. Im ignoring their pleas in favor of that new 66, hanger shortening be damned.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on April 02, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
That april fools joke was so good. you knowthey must be checking this thread and wanted to add to the angst. i love it.

i am getting so pumped for the 55af1. a proper 8.5, lets go!!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on April 02, 2021, 02:08:29 PM
These brand new 55 classics sitting on my desk right now, staring at me longingly, begging to be strapped to my new Transportation Unit pelican. Im ignoring their pleas in favor of that new 66, hanger shortening be damned.
Is the smaller hanger confirmed?  I haven't seen that anywhere besides unconfirmed speculation here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 02, 2021, 02:18:40 PM
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These brand new 55 classics sitting on my desk right now, staring at me longingly, begging to be strapped to my new Transportation Unit pelican. Im ignoring their pleas in favor of that new 66, hanger shortening be damned.
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Is the smaller hanger confirmed?  I haven't seen that anywhere besides unconfirmed speculation here

I come from a place of thinking where that pole/euro shit was 100% accurate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 02, 2021, 03:02:37 PM
To the pals that ride classic 44s if y’all plan on trying the AF1s what size are you thinking? I usually skate 8.38-8.5 and I’ve not had to think of what size to do since I got aces. I’m leaning to the 55af1s

55AF1's for sure - fits perfectly for 8.38 decks

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clint on April 02, 2021, 09:06:18 PM
Honestly a brand just selling a truck model using the goddam axle size would be a novelty at this point.

Imagine how powerful society would be if skateboard trucks were listed by the width of their axles

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 03, 2021, 09:09:42 AM
Learn from Krux
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: caviarcreew on April 03, 2021, 09:18:34 AM
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 03, 2021, 09:40:47 AM
Where did you buy them? Did you skate Ace’s before those, and notice any difference in the turn/grind? How soft did the stock bushings feel?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on April 03, 2021, 09:58:24 AM
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
so they didn't fix the pivot cup issue?!
AAAAHHHHHHH

I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic"  instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.
and they're now 1mm taller?
double AAAAHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: caviarcreew on April 03, 2021, 10:03:11 AM
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The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
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so they didn't fix the pivot cup issue?!
AAAAHHHHHHH


I guess not. I broke the original pivot after a few slappy sessions. Replaced it with a RipTide pivot cup that crumbled into pieces with my first crooked grind. I gave up on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: caviarcreew on April 03, 2021, 10:06:15 AM
Where did you buy them? Did you skate Ace’s before those, and notice any difference in the turn/grind? How soft did the stock bushings feel?

Got them from a seller on Mercari. First and last time skating Aces. They turned great (on par with Indys) once the bushings broke in, but the bushings fell apart after a month or so of slappies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 03, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)

Might be a long shot, but do you recall if they felt heavier than a set of Indy's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: caviarcreew on April 03, 2021, 01:58:22 PM
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The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
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Might be a long shot, but do you recall if they felt heavier than a set of Indy's?

Didn't feel any different. Just weighed them for you and they are essentially the same weight, 13.7 (Indy) vs 13.5 (Ace) ounces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 03, 2021, 03:01:09 PM
Do classic 44's work better on 8.25 or 8.38 decks? Has anyone tested properly?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 03, 2021, 03:04:54 PM
Do classic 44's work better on 8.25 or 8.38 decks? Has anyone tested properly?

44 Classics with 8.38" is the perfect setup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 03, 2021, 03:18:57 PM
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The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
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Didn't feel any different. Just weighed them for you and they are essentially the same weight, 13.7 (Indy) vs 13.5 (Ace) ounces.

Much appreciated. Looks about the same weight as original Ace's. Good to know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on April 03, 2021, 05:58:56 PM
the size shouldn't be a problem for me because i always skate 44 on 8.25 decks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 03, 2021, 08:04:47 PM
Held some Af1 44s today and they definitely felt heavier than Classic 44s. A lot of meat on the hanger. These things should last a lot longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on April 03, 2021, 09:27:41 PM
Held some Af1 44s today and they definitely felt heavier than Classic 44s. A lot of meat on the hanger. These things should last a lot longer.
Also held some. They feel really dense. Shop guy said they’re vibrating them? Getting the air out of the pour? Whatever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rollbrettfetischist on April 03, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic"  instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.


In my opinion they have always been at 53mm. Bought a set last year in Germany and they sit clearly at 53mm. Ben Degros confirmed that in his reviews. I dont know, but most of the brands and skateshops dont know the specs of their stuff. (I dont critizise that too much, because for the rest of the world it doesnt matter much and because i am bad in english. Sorry for that)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on April 03, 2021, 11:43:19 PM
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In my opinion they have always been at 53mm. Bought a set last year in Germany and they sit clearly at 53mm. Ben Degros confirmed that in his reviews. I dont know, but most of the brands and skateshops dont know the specs of their stuff. (I dont critizise that too much, because for the rest of the world it doesnt matter much and because i am bad in english. Sorry for that)

Quote from: Ace Skateboard Trucks Mfg Internet Web-site on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 8:52 PM, 45 seconds
• Truck height: 2.125" (52mm) Classic
source: https://web.archive.org/web/20201111205245/https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-44-polished

52 mm is actually 2.04724 in
off by 0.07776 in!
this is simply unacceptable :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 04, 2021, 05:21:40 AM
Honestly a brand just selling a truck model using the goddam axle size would be a novelty at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 04, 2021, 05:34:33 AM
Regarding height. We lined the Classics and Af1s both up as best we could and they look to be about the same height. The Af1s initially looked higher b/c there is so much more meat on the hanger but the axles seemed level.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 04, 2021, 07:49:42 AM
Anyone seen any pre-order availability?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 04, 2021, 10:59:03 AM
Anyone seen any pre-order availability?

I asked Orchard and my local if I could preorder some 55's.  No dice! 

Not meant to be disrespectful at all!  I fucking love Orchard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 04, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
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Anyone seen any pre-order availability?
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I asked Orchard and my local if I could preorder some 55's.  No dice! 

Not meant to be disrespectful at all!  I fucking love Orchard.

word nah no disrespect. Not really surprising. Ace seems to be doing one thing, which is having a hard and fast set of rules and dates around the release of these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 04, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Held some Af1 44s today and they definitely felt heavier than Classic 44s. A lot of meat on the hanger. These things should last a lot longer.

Interesting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 04, 2021, 10:57:24 PM
 ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 05, 2021, 06:50:38 AM
Just googled Ace AF 1 and there's a link to ace's website for 33's but when you click on it it says there's no products. Maybe pre orders could be coming soon?

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/af1-33s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 05, 2021, 07:30:57 AM
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.

Yea, I'm excited for the ace guys to get what looks to be their est update yet. But if I'm being honest, it seems a bit underwhelming. Forged, hollow, titanium construction is sort of the standard these days, seems odd they wouldn't at least try to meet the standard if they weren't going to raise it in some way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2021, 08:00:49 AM
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid. 

A heavier mid with worse kingpin clearance and a sticky invert pin you mean...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 05, 2021, 08:13:51 AM
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.


I think they were responding to the  call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 05, 2021, 08:17:36 AM



I think they were responding to the  call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.

That's true about the weight I suppose, especially with the light pop feel they give you I can see that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 05, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
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ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.
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I think they were responding to the  call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.

The problem is that instead of using engineering to create a stronger truck, they just keep adding material.  They could hollow out the underside of the hangar, use some material to support the hangar to pivot transition and have a lighter, stronger truck. 

Clearly using a 30 year old hanger design to meet the needs of modern skating isn’t working.  Add all the aluminum you want, it’s not going to work.

It’s like they want to build a more structurally stable house and instead of focusing on sturdy framing, they just keep piling wood on the roof
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 05, 2021, 09:19:12 AM
I presume they will discontinue the classic series somewhere down the line?

I'm only asking cos I love my 44s on my 8.38 and would like to cop as many as I can before they go....

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 05, 2021, 10:21:52 AM
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ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.
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I think they were responding to the  call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.
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The problem is that instead of using engineering to create a stronger truck, they just keep adding material.  They could hollow out the underside of the hangar, use some material to support the hangar to pivot transition and have a lighter, stronger truck.

Clearly using a 30 year old hanger design to meet the needs of modern skating isn’t working.  Add all the aluminum you want, it’s not going to work.

It’s like they want to build a more structurally stable house and instead of focusing on sturdy framing, they just keep piling wood on the roof

AKA, when Indy did the stage 5. Which addressed all those problems with the Bennett/stage 4 hanger design. But yeah, everything you said.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 05, 2021, 12:49:47 PM
I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 05, 2021, 01:05:26 PM
I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.

And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 05, 2021, 01:17:22 PM
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I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
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And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.

Well the bend is for a reason. It’s more meat where you wear out first. It also helps with locking into grinds. Think of a reverse Gullwing trucks that come with that pre-groove so you kick in better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 05, 2021, 01:29:09 PM
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I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
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And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.

I personally did not like the soft grind and know plenty of others who were put off by that but I still preferred them to other trucks mainly due to the turn.

Either way, Joey T and Shrewgy played roles in the design of various stages of Indy, Thunder and Venture. I'll let the AF1s speak for themselves at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 05, 2021, 01:29:27 PM
Well the bend is for a reason. It’s more meat where you wear out first. It also helps with locking into grinds. Think of a reverse Gullwing trucks that come with that pre-groove so you kick in better.
It's okay if the hanger has a taper towards the edge, but he's talking about the axles bending - two different things.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 05, 2021, 01:36:31 PM
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I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
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And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.
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I personally did not like the soft grind and know plenty of others who were put off by that but I still preferred them to other trucks mainly due to the turn.

Either way, Joey T and Shrewgy played roles in the design of various stages of Indy, Thunder and Venture. I'll let the AF1s speak for themselves at this point.

Fair play. I definitely don't want to sound like I'm crapping on Ace. I dig the company, the product, that it's a skater-owned option to NHS stuff. All of it. I'm (obviously) just a bit of a nerd when it comes to the design stuff, and that can come off a bit critical, so my bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 05, 2021, 01:40:16 PM
No need to apologize. I get it. We all have our dream truck. I'm still bummed there is no 8.75" axle....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 05, 2021, 02:44:35 PM
I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.

Frank and/or Fred;;;;;thank u
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 05, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
They made mag plates once, could do it again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 05, 2021, 07:16:09 PM
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.

https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
So for the fuck of it, since the hanger width question is still eating at me, I measured an Indy 149 hangar and got 5 7/8" which is what the poster seems to be at with the Mercari AF1s. I'm guessing the 44s and 55s will have different hangar widths but anybody wanna measure some classic 44s and report back?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on April 05, 2021, 07:54:54 PM
Interesting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.

My 44s came in at 393g on my scale. Standard 144s are 387g. Aces are heavier than even standard Indy, at least in that size. That's grim.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 05, 2021, 08:21:34 PM
Anyone know if they're going to keep the lows in the line? I've recently become an 03 fan so I need to know if I should start hoarding.

Not really interested in a heavier, beefier Ace. I'm 36 and weight definitely matters to me so I was hyped about the rumored hollow/ti versions, bummed they're going the other way.

Oh well, at least I still have films to satisfy my turny mid-height 8.25 desires.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 05, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
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Interesting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.
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My 44s came in at 393g on my scale. Standard 144s are 387g. Aces are heavier than even standard Indy, at least in that size. That's grim.

The coffee needed for an espresso shot is around 18g.
I just weighed an individual packet of tapatio hot sauce, it was 8g.

You're talking 6g.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on April 05, 2021, 08:36:14 PM
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Interesting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.
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My 44s came in at 393g on my scale. Standard 144s are 387g. Aces are heavier than even standard Indy, at least in that size. That's grim.
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The coffee needed for an espresso shot is around 18g.
I just weighed an individual packet of tapatio hot sauce, it was 8g.

You're talking 6g.
&#128514; grim indeed.

For sale the 12th.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 07, 2021, 04:17:18 AM
Just had a thought, does anyone think these AF1 with the harder materials will take away that "dead" sound?

Also, Youtube vids with AF1 marketing rolling out

Skatetool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr9yXBfioWM

Rethreader dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPxrpeWqkA
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on April 07, 2021, 04:42:55 AM
yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2021, 06:07:23 AM
That tool looks nice. Glad to see they are starting with the most important info first....

But yeah I’ll be getting some.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 07, 2021, 06:20:32 AM
yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.

I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 07, 2021, 07:02:05 AM
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yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
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I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.

The silver tool is the goat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
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yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
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I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.
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The silver tool is the goat.

The file fell off my Silver day one and a month in the ratchet started acting weird (not engaging or being locked/no ratchet when set to a ratchet mode); it's still hanging on tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 07, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
I have some 55’s that are still completely fine, but if these A1 are $60/65+ I’ll prob wait and see how the reviews/feedback go. Don’t think I need to jump.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 07, 2021, 07:54:33 AM
Tool is cool but they coulda done more to make a better truck than change to a barely different alloy and just add metal. Unfortunately that’s not how things work and won’t make the trucks stronger. But I don’t think their devotees care
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 07, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
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yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
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I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.

Probably doesn't help much and off topic, but I have glued my slim tool together and find it works so much better than the other plastic handled tools I have, especially over deck bolts but before I glued it, yes it was a pain to use.  It is not something I would have in a pocket anyway, so never fell the need to break it down and have it tucked away.

Those rethreaders definitely seem pretty good, even if I just have the carabiner with the rethreaders, more so than another skate tool with the built in rethreader parts.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 07, 2021, 09:52:18 AM
Just had a thought, does anyone think these AF1 with the harder materials will take away that "dead" sound?

Also, Youtube vids with AF1 marketing rolling out

Skatetool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr9yXBfioWM

Rethreader dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPxrpeWqkA

I'm hyped for the kingpin die. No other tool has one and the only one I know of is the super old Consolidated one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 07, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
I have some 55’s that are still completely fine, but if these A1 are $60/65+ I’ll prob wait and see how the reviews/feedback go. Don’t think I need to jump.
Same here. I find 55's to be just fine with
8.6-9" boards I usually use and no need to change until they give up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 07, 2021, 01:43:41 PM
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?

(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)

I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 07, 2021, 01:47:36 PM
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?

(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)

I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.


LOL, so fucking dumb "Our trucks dont function as well, but you dont need a re-threader" is a pretty dumb take. Sit the fuck down, Indy. Sit this one out. Take the next couple of plays off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?

(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)

I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.

Shots fired for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 07, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
Safe, then, to presume that Indy plans on run the inverted kingpin on all of their trucks?
Elsewise, why make such a fallacious argument?
Absent the inverted kingpin across all “platforms,” they’re just comparing apples to watermelons.
I enjoy Indys.
I enjoy Aces.
I even love Thunders.
But I especially love silly marketing tactics.
Indy, ya played yerself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 07, 2021, 05:17:27 PM
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?

(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)

I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.

@ indy

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/613aae1db7dc5cb197f89c8d06123c0f/tenor.gif?itemid=19162157)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 07, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
I have seen more stripped out and messed up inverted kingpin heads over the years that I could not fix, than any regular kingpin assembly, which is why I would never use or recommend inverted kingpins, no matter how much they push them, or what brand is doing them.

Just seems like someone is being a bit of a dumbass via Instagram.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2021, 08:26:07 PM
Indy is getting a taste of its own medicine a little bit. When they arrived on the scene they blew up. Wasn't like that for Ace but now they've gotten to the point of really gaining traction and coming in hot. People are switching to Ace left and right. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 08, 2021, 05:00:09 AM
Indy is getting a taste of its own medicine a little bit. When they arrived on the scene they blew up. Wasn't like that for Ace but now they've gotten to the point of really gaining traction and coming in hot. People are switching to Ace left and right.

The ace team is incredibly good and they have a good product. I'm glad they're competing with the big dogs now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 08, 2021, 06:21:22 AM
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?

(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)

I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
Hearing about all the hang ups with Indy mid kingpins on smith grinds, I would take needing to rethread one time every year or so over using indy mids.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 09, 2021, 07:36:32 AM
They've finally committed to the release

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNcrPmgsdKW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 09:01:34 AM
They've finally committed to the release

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNcrPmgsdKW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

ONE WEEEEEEKKK!!!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 09, 2021, 09:05:21 AM
And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 09:16:45 AM
And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these

Look theyre new and shiny ok hashtag jah blessed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fernando the skater on April 09, 2021, 09:17:55 AM
And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these

(https://i.imgur.com/pbYxsVn.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 09:19:48 AM
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And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these
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(https://i.imgur.com/pbYxsVn.jpg)

Gimme some 66s and 77s now!

I asked on the IG and it looks like new softgoods too, hardware and wax.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 09, 2021, 11:10:32 AM
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 11:15:35 AM
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process

ok thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on April 09, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
if they went from sand casting to a traditional mold it could improve texture and consistency though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 09, 2021, 11:31:55 AM
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process

Why does it sound like bullshit that they switched to a better alloy and heat treatment process? They've always used 7071, other brands use 6061, other uses 356.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 09, 2021, 11:39:07 AM

Gimme some 66s and 77s now!

This. This. This. This.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 09, 2021, 11:44:52 AM
Bigger questions for me are:

-Will Joey T get that Jamaican mini ramp finished before the AF1s drop?
-And will the volcanic eruption on St Vincents strand him in Jamaica without a set of Af1 55s?

#Jahworried.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 09, 2021, 11:54:31 AM
Probably gonna cop the af1 55s at some point  but the more I see of them the more I don’t believe anything changed aside from sizes. So nothing substantial changed. What’s the weight and  Wheel base offset? All this is is adding a few sizes and giving a die to rethread. It’s like if someone shows you a magic trick and the more they show it to you the more you realize they are just palming the coin with their other hand.

Don’t get me wrong. I love the aces I’m on. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 09, 2021, 11:56:35 AM
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Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
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Why does it sound like bullshit that they switched to a better alloy and heat treatment process? They've always used 7071, other brands use 6061, other uses 356.

Just brining this one up from earlier, no idea where Ace got the "7071" thing. 7075 is the type of aluminum they designate as aircraft grade. Never heard of or seen 7071 anywhere other than in Ace ad copy. And 356/6061 is basically the same (I think 356 is the casting grade code for 6061). The new ad says T6 on the baseplate stuff, that usually refers to 6061-T6. Which is good shit, especially for skate trucks. Harder aluminum (like real 7075) doesn't mean it'd be better for skate purposes. It's really hard (for aluminum) and I imagine would grind weird.

So not bullshit, it just sounds like they're using more industry standard stuff, like 4140 axles too. Which is good, they could be a little more clear about it. But it's skate product ad's, not exactly known for sober technically accurate reporting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 09, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
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Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
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Why does it sound like bullshit that they switched to a better alloy and heat treatment process? They've always used 7071, other brands use 6061, other uses 356.
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Just brining this one up from earlier, no idea where Ace got the "7071" thing. 7075 is the type of aluminum they designate as aircraft grade. Never heard of or seen 7071 anywhere other than in Ace ad copy. And 356/6061 is basically the same (I think 356 is the casting grade code for 6061). The new ad says T6 on the baseplate stuff, that usually refers to 6061-T6. Which is good shit, especially for skate trucks. Harder aluminum (like real 7075) doesn't mean it'd be better for skate purposes, it's really hard (for aluminum) and I imagine would grind weird.

Word. I was more commenting on the fact that it doesn't seem totally out of pocket that they're using a different alloy or heat treatment more akin to what Indy uses. Whatever they're been using feels softer than other cast trucks for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 09, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
All I keep seeing is...."After 15 years, we're finally using materials and manufacturing on par with our competitors" ... "oh and here's some new axle nuts, again!"

I'm still going to get a pair of the new 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 12:24:27 PM
All I keep seeing is...."After 15 years, we're finally using materials and manufacturing on par with our competitors" ... "oh and here's some new axle nuts, again!"

I'm still going to get a pair of the new 55s

Confused as to why this is being framed as some sort of letdown? Take the best turning trucks, make them as good as anyone on process and materials.....is good?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 09, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
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All I keep seeing is...."After 15 years, we're finally using materials and manufacturing on par with our competitors" ... "oh and here's some new axle nuts, again!"

I'm still going to get a pair of the new 55s
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Confused as to why this is being framed as some sort of letdown? Take the best turning trucks, make them as good as anyone on process and materials.....is good?

Never said it wasn't good? Just stating facts.

TBH, I am more interested in the new pivot cups and bushings (as ACE bushings are sooo good in anything).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cant kickflip but can tre on April 09, 2021, 12:55:32 PM
Probably gonna cop the af1 55s at some point  but the more I see of them the more I don’t believe anything changed aside from sizes. So nothing substantial changed. What’s the weight and  Wheel base offset? All this is is adding a few sizes and giving a die to rethread. It’s like if someone shows you a magic trick and the more they show it to you the more you realize they are just palming the coin with their other hand.

Don’t get me wrong. I love the aces I’m on. But it is what it is.
Don't know anything about the weight change but the wheelbase offset will be +2.75" since they're keeping the same geometry
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 09, 2021, 01:16:41 PM
I'm heaving a sigh as I realize I probably won't be able to stop myself from getting some AF1 44s in spite of the fact that I have an unskated pair of 44s on ice, am not convinced there have been any meaningful improvements with the redesign, and am also extremely irritated that they're no longer 8.38" axles. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: passtheish on April 09, 2021, 01:46:17 PM
I'm heaving a sigh as I realize I probably won't be able to stop myself from getting some AF1 44s in spite of the fact that I have an unskated pair of 44s on ice, am not convinced there have been any meaningful improvements with the redesign, and am also extremely irritated that they're no longer 8.38" axles.

In the exact same boat with 55s, just gonna buy the AF1s and drop off the Classics at my local
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
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I'm heaving a sigh as I realize I probably won't be able to stop myself from getting some AF1 44s in spite of the fact that I have an unskated pair of 44s on ice, am not convinced there have been any meaningful improvements with the redesign, and am also extremely irritated that they're no longer 8.38" axles.
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In the exact same boat with 55s, just gonna buy the AF1s and drop off the Classics at my local

Yeah same, I've got 2-3 extra sets of 55s once AF1s drop, gonna donate them to something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 05:17:11 PM
Pulsifer chimes in on the construction changes.

(https://www.flickr.com/gp/70842432@N08/s3ckSM)
(https://i.ibb.co/VS5GCfB/16-AECBF7-B89-C-4-EC2-BF56-88148-D76-D576.png) (https://ibb.co/VS5GCfB)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 09, 2021, 05:24:26 PM
Pulsifer chimes in on the construction changes.

(https://www.flickr.com/gp/70842432@N08/s3ckSM)
(https://i.ibb.co/VS5GCfB/16-AECBF7-B89-C-4-EC2-BF56-88148-D76-D576.png) (https://ibb.co/VS5GCfB)

Interesting. So that's the Paris truck guy correct? I mean, I know somewhere south of jack and shit about longboard trucks, but I do know those downhill folks are serious about their gear (aka, so they don't die).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 09, 2021, 05:43:53 PM
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Pulsifer chimes in on the construction changes.

(https://www.flickr.com/gp/70842432@N08/s3ckSM)
(https://i.ibb.co/VS5GCfB/16-AECBF7-B89-C-4-EC2-BF56-88148-D76-D576.png) (https://ibb.co/VS5GCfB)
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Interesting. So that's the Paris truck guy correct? I mean, I know somewhere south of jack and shit about longboard trucks, but I do know those downhill folks are serious about their gear (aka, so they don't die).

Joey Pulsifer has a well-established reputation for being a technical skateboard product nerd. I still use a project skate tool to this day, Joey’s design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 09, 2021, 06:59:12 PM
Never had ace. But might grab those 55’s for my cruiser/ curb board since I lost the trucks I was going to use
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: uptherecazaly on April 09, 2021, 08:27:36 PM
I'm sad that the (Old 66) 9.35" is gone but happy about a (New 77) 9.5"...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on April 09, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Installing was a pain but the results are great!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on April 09, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
2nd
Don’t mind the crappy quality
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 09, 2021, 10:58:28 PM
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yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
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I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.

A little hack I figured out for this is to take a piece of thin grip (jessup off a roll, not the precut sheets, works best) and wrap it around the little screwdriver thing. It'll be really tight at first but wears down a little over time. You can also heat it up with a lighter to make it stick better and stretch out a bit. I've got like 6 of those cheap T-tools (the ones that come with hardware for $5 on amazon) and keep them everywhere. One in my backpack, one in the basement skate room, one at work, one with a rethreader in my parts bin etc.

I use a silver tool for my actual setup ritual though, you can loctite the little screw that holds the file to prevent it from falling off or just use gorilla glue to stick it back on when you inevitably lose the screw. I will say switching to a full size metal file with a handle makes everything look cleaner feel and more satisfying though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: uptherecazaly on April 10, 2021, 04:10:32 AM
does anyone have a screenshot of bail gun gary 's Ace 77s on instagram?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 10, 2021, 08:35:11 AM


Noticed a few ppl complaining about the classic 44’s being an 8.38 axle - they’re actually 8.35 which is why the wheels don’t sit perfectly flush on an 8.38 deck.

They are an 8 3/8" truck. I don't believe anyone would ever notice the difference between 8.35 and 8.38 and have no idea where Ace learned to round up decimal points. The wheels don't sit flush because of the hanger width not the axle width.

If you like to line up your axles with your deck width you will almost always have your wheels slightly tucked in. If you like to line up your wheels with the deck you will likely need wider axles than deck width.

As for the other comments on AF1 vs Classic as soon as you pick up a pair you will see they are different trucks indeed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 10, 2021, 10:10:58 AM


Nothing wrong with the classic trucks so it’s all marketing to make more money at this point ;)




So Pulsifer is lying and they didnt change construction at all and its just marketing? ok thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on April 10, 2021, 07:54:58 PM
Been thinking about a set of 55s for years, never got a set.
Now I am scared that for some reason the new ones are trash, so I had to get a set just in case that might be my last chance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 11, 2021, 01:09:21 AM
I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the new 8.5s 9s in black.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 11, 2021, 03:14:54 AM
I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the new 8.5s 9s in black.
Where did you order from?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on April 11, 2021, 03:38:45 AM
These new Aces will drop just before my Indy 169s completely eat the dust, and i'm gonna make the jump.
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Post by: jay_nev on April 11, 2021, 04:30:55 AM
I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the new 8.5s 9s in black.
price?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 11, 2021, 06:11:11 AM
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I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the new 8.5s 9s in black.
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price?

Ordered from a local shop here in Japan. They won’t arrive here until sometime in June, apparently, and they said if I wanted a bigger size to put my name down and they’ll grab some for me.

They said ¥8600, which is like $78.50 US.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 11, 2021, 06:40:40 AM
Indy titanium prices..

Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 11, 2021, 06:42:26 AM
I've been saving my pennies the last few weeks for some 55's.  Hoping to cop this week. I'm on self isolation from work for the next 2 weeks, so lots of time to get my legs back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 11, 2021, 07:07:34 AM
Indy titanium prices..

Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?

Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2021, 07:27:54 AM
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Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
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Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.

I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them.  According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck.  Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on April 12, 2021, 07:39:20 AM
Looks like the AF1's are back up on that Polish site: https://selectshop.eu/ace-af1-44-8-25-trucks-polished (https://selectshop.eu/ace-af1-44-8-25-trucks-polished)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2021, 07:52:43 AM
"Coming Soon"

http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/shop/category/ace/

(http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/published/publicdata/A51CAA51WEBASYST/attachments/SC/products_pictures/af1-gold7y.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Maxi205 on April 12, 2021, 07:58:20 AM
Bonkers had the af1´s in their story and it said available on 16.04. I asked them and they said that they hope that af1´s will arrive until then. Skatedeluxe replied to me saying that they will be available in the next weeks.

*both shops are located in Germany

** Update I think they arrived at Bonkers they have them in their story and it say´s coming soon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 12, 2021, 08:10:02 AM
"Coming Soon"

http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/shop/category/ace/

(http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/published/publicdata/A51CAA51WEBASYST/attachments/SC/products_pictures/af1-gold7y.jpg)

Exchange makes these $65US
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 12, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
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Indy titanium prices..

Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
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Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.
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I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them.  According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck.  Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.

That's how much basically every truck with forged plates and hollow kingpins & axles go for, so I'm really a bit perplexed at this point. 
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Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2021, 09:16:16 AM
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Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
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Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.
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I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them.  According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck.  Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.
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That's how much basically every truck with forged plates and hollow kingpins & axles go for, so I'm really a bit perplexed at this point.

Very true!  I'm curious if there's actually anything to the "proprietary casting technique", or whatever was mentioned before.  Definitely seem steep, but I can directly compare them to my v2 44's I have on my cruiser.  Currently quarantining for 14 days, so if I can get them this week, I should be able to break them in and report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 12, 2021, 09:55:52 AM
https://super-shop.com/i300123-ace-af1-trucks-silver
(https://static.super-shop.com/1217517-undefined-960w.jpg)

Why do they always make those round cavities that dont help with an inverted kingpin? Straight walls to lock in the nut seems like such an easy thing to put on new updates that doesn't compromise anything, yet they always make it round.
Anyway, I hope they end up making some Hollow versions in the future. That was one of the things I was mostly expecting from this new update and I was a bit let down tbh...
and also, 66euros? On that website that's like 10 bucks more than Normal Indys, Venture V-lights or Thunder Lights (hollow kingpin + forged baseplate). They are reaching with that price if you ask me. When I first got Ace's they were like 50 to 55Euros a set. I guess the hype is getting a bit to their heads.
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Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 12, 2021, 10:00:25 AM
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Indy titanium prices..

Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
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Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.
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I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them.  According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck.  Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.
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That's how much basically every truck with forged plates and hollow kingpins & axles go for, so I'm really a bit perplexed at this point.
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Very true!  I'm curious if there's actually anything to the "proprietary casting technique", or whatever was mentioned before.  Definitely seem steep, but I can directly compare them to my v2 44's I have on my cruiser.  Currently quarantining for 14 days, so if I can get them this week, I should be able to break them in and report back.

Please do, because I want to hear about what the deal is with these trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2021, 10:54:08 AM

and also, 66euros? On that website that's like 10 bucks more than Normal Indys, Venture V-lights or Thunder Lights (hollow kingpin + forged baseplate). They are reaching with that price if you ask me. When I first got Ace's they were like 50 to 55Euros a set. I guess the hype is getting a bit to their heads.

Gotta pay for those re-threading axle nuts and dies somehow....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 12, 2021, 11:08:51 AM
The pricing is a little disappointing but if everything Pulsifer is talking about comes to pass and it makes for a better truck, then fuck it. Either way Im getting at least a singular set of 66s on Friday.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mulldrifter on April 12, 2021, 12:36:07 PM
to all people wishing a 8.75 ace, try film 155mm, honestly it's really close to an ace, you can carve easily. i dont know if it's not wheelbity at all like ace which i love because i rode my friend's film not long enough but they are really great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 12, 2021, 12:39:46 PM
If the new measurements from Poland are correct the Af1 66s will also have 155mm hangers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 12, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
does anyone have a screenshot of bail gun gary 's Ace 77s on instagram?

Not the one you're talking about (also a little stretched), but:

(https://i.imgur.com/0dxTNM4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 12, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
For any pals trying to extrapolate the pricing from the Canadian shops. The AF1 pricing is sitting right in the middle of Indy forged hollow and titaniums. Our pricing is fucked up here so I don't know how accurate it'll reflect what ya'll end up paying down there. I'm guessing it won't be that bad.

Whoever gets them first, if possible, weigh them suckers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 08:51:19 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51113724661_402918cd3e_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on April 13, 2021, 08:56:02 AM
Thats cap or else they would've gave us a hollow truck and a 8.75 model but I will let them slide just this once...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 13, 2021, 09:03:08 AM
Another peek at those 77s.

(https://i.imgur.com/EPfrA8K.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 13, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
Thats cap or else they would've gave us a hollow truck and a 8.75 model but I will let them slide just this once...

And kept the 8.38 size as af1. Ace on bad reading comprehension
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 13, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Look, they probably did read/hear what people were saying. They just decided to ignore it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 13, 2021, 12:19:20 PM
Look, they probably did read/hear what people were saying. They just decided to ignore it.

*reading IG comments*

JoeyT: There is some good shit here

*hits joint*

JoeyT: Rethreading axle nuts, boom!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 13, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
AF1s being skated in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GjkUujUM5Y
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 02:12:07 PM
 just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on April 13, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
I sent them a lengthy DM about my frustration about no 8.75 truck haha. They responded and said it was a "loaded question". Regardless I'm still excited to try the new 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 13, 2021, 05:15:30 PM
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...

https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: passtheish on April 13, 2021, 07:49:58 PM
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...

https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)

$23 for the tool https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-collapsible-skate-tool, kinda steep
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 08:21:42 PM
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...

https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)

So about 10 bucks more per truck. Crikey. Skateboarding inflation is real and here to stay.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 13, 2021, 08:22:50 PM
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In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...

https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)
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$23 for the tool https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-collapsible-skate-tool, kinda steep

jesus thats more than the Silver tool
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 13, 2021, 08:27:06 PM
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...

https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)

$65??? No thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 13, 2021, 08:38:09 PM
Well that same shop is selling the classics for $55 which you can get elsewhere for $40. So I’m guessing the AF1s will be $50 to $65 depending where you go.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 13, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
Well that same shop is selling the classics for $55 which you can get elsewhere for $40. So I’m guessing the AF1s will be $50 to $65 depending where you go.
This shop isn’t far from me but, I also want to wait for another shop to get them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 13, 2021, 11:52:52 PM
They're selling regular Stage 11 Indys for $60. I haven't bought regular Indys in a shop since before prices went up but I remember they were $50. I think it's safe to say they've got a little bump on the end of their prices and the AF1s won't be so expensive once they're out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on April 14, 2021, 12:52:54 AM
just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.

The off part to me is that they’re under a Canadian longboarding truck company.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mulldrifter on April 14, 2021, 06:21:24 AM
what's that joke with paris trucks and ace ? they dont even look remotely the same, paris are 57.5mm tall tkp with extra long kingpin. they also are known for longboard trucks but those are street trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 14, 2021, 06:30:06 AM
Just wait a little longer...

But really I wonder how many shops are going to try to pre sell the AF1 trucks or how much of a crazy mess everything will be if people are really that keen to get their hands on some.

I guess seeing so very many comments on the Ace Trucks thread here in recent days, I think they have done their job well.


Funny that some places are posting things like this too:



https://www.instagram.com/p/CNa9Ol9A7Gg/

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 14, 2021, 07:25:17 AM
A good portion of comments have been confusion. Any press is good press? To me, it's been a frustrating roll out with misinformation. I'm not all that eager to jump and try a pair day 1 due to it.  "captialize on the hype" haha. to me the hype died off a bit!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 14, 2021, 10:44:01 AM
Yet another peek at the 77s. I just think they look so cool.

(https://i.imgur.com/hldeSzL.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 14, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
A good portion of comments have been confusion. Any press is good press? To me, it's been a frustrating roll out with misinformation. I'm not all that eager to jump and try a pair day 1 due to it.  "captialize on the hype" haha. to me the hype died off a bit!

its going to be confusing as hell. Hence, I will only purchase these in person.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on April 14, 2021, 12:15:11 PM
Does anyone have experience with tight Ace trucks on big shit? I have an opportunity to hit a mini mega size foam pit and soft flybox and I'm wondering whether the bushings will blow out if cranked and if the axles will bend with big impacts.
If a foam pit can bend axles, that's some serious quality issues. haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 14, 2021, 12:28:22 PM
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Does anyone have experience with tight Ace trucks on big shit? I have an opportunity to hit a mini mega size foam pit and soft flybox and I'm wondering whether the bushings will blow out if cranked and if the axles will bend with big impacts.
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If a foam pit can bend axles, that's some serious quality issues. haha
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I meant the flybox. Impacts that will snap a deck immediately if your foot is placed wrong. As for the foam, I want to crank the bushings, because it's very uncomfortable and unstable with loose trucks. Cranking Aces seems pretty blasphemous, I'm wondering how they will hold up.
Throw some hard duro bushings in there for the session and then you can either have them flush or a little thread showing, depending on your weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on April 14, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)

This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy

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Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65 USD
**** about $60/62 USD for non color, and $66 USD for color or something around there.

Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)

Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 14, 2021, 12:50:23 PM
Regardless of what you think about the new Ace trucks, I gotta hand it to them for really dialing up the hype. Very well handled marketing, here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on April 14, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)

This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy

***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd

Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)

Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)

That’s really disappointing, honestly. Thanks for sharing before I purchased!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 14, 2021, 01:13:32 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)

This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy

***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd

Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)

Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)

Wild, though how they line up on the edge of the baseplates doesn't necessarily mean they will sit at the same spot when mounted. The mounting holes can be drilled in different places on the baseplates as well. I don't want to ask if you can measure them mounted on a board that you know the WB of, but that is the true test.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 14, 2021, 01:16:54 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)

This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy

***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd

Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)

Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)

Measuring the WB that way only works if the baseplates are exactly the same dimensions - Ace and Indy aint. And AF1's may even be different length from the Classics. You gotta mount them up on the same deck and measure each side, middle of axle to middle of axle. Especially if you're talking 1/4" difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on April 14, 2021, 01:21:48 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)

This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy

***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd

Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)

Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)
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Measuring the WB that way only works if the baseplates are exactly the same dimensions - Ace and Indy aint. And AF1's may even be different length from the Classics. You gotta mount them up on the same deck and measure each side, middle of axle to middle of axle. Especially if you're talking 1/4" difference.

100% agree we won’t know till we get them but again don’t shoot the messenger. Just got ahold of some pics and were able to ask a few questions so figured you guys would like to see it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 14, 2021, 03:27:30 PM
Can I speak to your manager

Would actually prefer closer to Indy wb. No? y’all like the +2.75” ?? Lighter pop?


And also with mounting on deck, the bushings are too much of a variable, no? They can be mounted and sitting (and broken in once worn) differently. How do you know the axle is a perfect 90° right bugle from the baseplate??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 14, 2021, 04:43:22 PM
Let's see those AF1's lined up next to some classics. If the wheelbase is extended there is zero reason to buy these trucks since they'll turn like Indy (shit).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 14, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
If the wheel base is changed it’s a deal breaker for me. I may as well just skate Indy’s at that point. Like I’ll probably put Indy Ti hangers on ace baseplates or something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on April 14, 2021, 05:30:00 PM
Let's see those AF1's lined up next to some classics. If the wheelbase is extended there is zero reason to buy these trucks since they'll turn like Indy (shit).

Click that first photo. That is the regular ACE’s next to some AF1’s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 14, 2021, 05:52:38 PM
idk man. They adamantly claim same geometry in their post last week. Could you have the "same geometry" on a different wheelbase? Maybe? who knows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 14, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
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Let's see those AF1's lined up next to some classics. If the wheelbase is extended there is zero reason to buy these trucks since they'll turn like Indy (shit).
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Click that first photo. That is the regular ACE’s next to some AF1’s

thanks im a person
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 14, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
 I’ve had four sets of ace classics, on three of them the kingpin came loose. On the fourth I put a krux dlk in them and that was cool but the baseplate didn’t hold the nut which is annoying.

Why would I get these new ace trucks? There’s no hollow option like every other truck brand, theres no hexnut holder in the baseplate like an Indymid or a krux, even though they clearly made a new baseplate mood.
It looks like another press fit kingpin that’s just going to come loose again.
They made the wheelbase longer and the trucks in total are going to cost most because of an axle rethreader.

Am I the only one that thinks aces have the worst kingpin clearance in the game? The kingpins seems excessively long, I’ve had to dremel them shorter on mine and a few of my friends.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 14, 2021, 06:07:38 PM
Generally, I'd say chill on the wheelbase fret. Those pics tell you jack shit about what the actual wheelbase will be on a board. Maybe the baseplates got some extra meat behind the bolts, maybe the bushings are sitting crooked in one set and not the other, or whatever else. Wait til some pal's get their mitts on them shits and do their thing with getting the actual dimensions for everybody ... I guess "capitalizing on hype" is preventing us from knowing the details before then ...whatever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 14, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
I’ve had four sets of ace classics, on three of them the kingpin came loose. On the fourth I put a krux dlk in them and that was cool but the baseplate didn’t hold the nut which is annoying.

Also had this problem with a set of Ace. I did the epoxy trick with the Krux DL kingpin, but unfortunately it doesn't have enough threads to get the trucks as tight as I'd like. I'm not done with Ace yet, but I found this to be pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 14, 2021, 07:23:51 PM
Am I the only one that thinks aces have the worst kingpin clearance in the game? The kingpins seems excessively long, I’ve had to dremel them shorter on mine and a few of my friends.

Thunder, venture (low), krux, royal, mini logo, Indy (mids) all have less clearance from my experience. Ace falls into the acceptable category for me with Indy (reg) and tensor ATG. Venture highs have the best imo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
I’ve had four sets of ace classics, on three of them the kingpin came loose. On the fourth I put a krux dlk in them and that was cool but the baseplate didn’t hold the nut which is annoying.

Why would I get these new ace trucks? There’s no hollow option like every other truck brand, theres no hexnut holder in the baseplate like an Indymid or a krux, even though they clearly made a new baseplate mood.
It looks like another press fit kingpin that’s just going to come loose again.
They made the wheelbase longer and the trucks in total are going to cost most because of an axle rethreader.

Am I the only one that thinks aces have the worst kingpin clearance in the game? The kingpins seems excessively long, I’ve had to dremel them shorter on mine and a few of my friends.




The ACE pin is longer, remember their top bushing is also the tallest in the game.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
Generally, I'd say chill on the wheelbase fret. Those pics tell you jack shit about what the actual wheelbase will be on a board. Maybe the baseplates got some extra meat behind the bolts, maybe the bushings are sitting crooked in one set and not the other, or whatever else. Wait til some pal's get their mitts on them shits and do their thing with getting the actual dimensions for everybody ... I guess "capitalizing on hype" is preventing us from knowing the details before then ...whatever.

if the baseplate had "extra meat on it" then it would be sitting with a shorter wheelbase than the classics. the crooked bushings theory is also dumb. these trucks are all hype with an Indy wheelbase now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 08:50:42 AM
Except they will turn better than Indy and grind better than the Ace classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 08:56:39 AM
ok how
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
look at the ace classic vs ace af1 baseplates, they line up, the baseplates are the same besides the bottom detail. you guys are grasping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 09:05:02 AM
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 15, 2021, 09:05:39 AM
I'm just going to stay out of this hypothetical argument until we get to touch them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 09:06:40 AM
ok how

Harder metal. Same geo as when Indy were at their best. You can try them or not. It's all subjective. I think this will likely be the truck I have been wanting but that's just me. I'm old and like curbs and pool coping. Wheelbase... whatever... None of this means shit until one of us gets some grind time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 09:08:09 AM
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.

Reeks of a planned assault by a threatened truck manu. So glad I have nothing to do with the skate industry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2021, 09:12:13 AM
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.

No doubt. Is this the modern version of what Grosso mentioned in the letter's on "Truck Wars"? Instead of burly Indy-affiliated Samoan's threatening kids we get proxy posters calling us dumb?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 09:21:30 AM
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I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
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Reeks of a planned assault by a threatened truck manu. So glad I have nothing to do with the skate industry.

Having been someone who worked in it...yes.

I am admittedly an Ace fanboy since I came back to skating, and I will buy and try some 66s tomorrow, but if they suck I would be the first person to call them out....after I've actually skated them. Sort of a basic criteria.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 09:30:17 AM
lol you guys are tripping, yeah i work for indy i'm here to SABOTAGE ace on a messageboard. simply trying to nerd out on gear, isn't that why we're all here? if the geo is supposedly the same but the wheelbase is extended, then they're gonna turn slower, simple concept.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 09:32:02 AM
its a tad more complicated than that. Thunders turn quicker but the axle sits further out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
thunders are dog shit. they tip over into wheelbite and they have a long wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 09:41:23 AM
Thunder turn is super quick and responsive. Not as deep as an Ace or Indy. Different deal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 09:57:25 AM
they are very responsive and do indeed turn quick into wheelbite, i'll give you that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 10:15:26 AM
again, depends on a few factors. wheel size and width, risers, bushings, deck width, truck width all can influence the propensity for wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 15, 2021, 10:23:13 AM
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I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
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Reeks of a planned assault by a threatened truck manu. So glad I have nothing to do with the skate industry.

Everything is a conspiracy isn’t it? I came here and made an account because this kind of discussion doesn’t happen on Instagram and I wanted to talk about these new trucks.

I like ace a lot but I am still allowed to be critical of this aren’t I?
I think this whole thing was hyped wrong, personally I thought something big and new was coming but all they did was correct the sizing and upgrade the metal?

I’ve never broken an ace hanger, I’ve never thought they didn’t grind well, I don’t see why they chose to hype up a material upgrade like it’s going to be a revolutionary change to the industry.

I’m glad they fixed the non issue. Hopefully the press fit kingpins aren’t prone to coming loose with the upgraded metal in the baseplate.

I’m sure it will come eventually but ace needs to get with the program. I thought we would be getting dlk compatible baseplates or maybe hollow kingpins/hangers like other truck companies.


Also why do people say indys don’t turn? They have the best turn in the game along with ace. I have 149s mids with a dlk and ace bushing rn and it rides like a DREAM.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on April 15, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Indys dont turn unless you change out the stock bushings*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 15, 2021, 10:31:52 AM
It does like the wb is changed when the baseplates are lined up. Which is upsetting.

Who knows though....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 15, 2021, 10:32:35 AM
Yeah i am being critical as well - i agree with you @Smoothbrain1  on most of those points

"most technical truck ever made" ...it is? I still don't know why other than material upgrade, new cast process? ..and they are directing everyone to the print ad in Thrasher? lol seriously. 

And the only answer to hollow or forged version question was "we have plans but these things take time"
And on the price difference - "Loaded ? With significant upgrades and advancements come a cost...but you get what you pay for."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on April 15, 2021, 10:32:44 AM
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.

You guys are really welcoming to newcomers...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 15, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
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I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
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You guys are really welcoming to newcomers...
People take trucks very seriously. This is the way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 10:45:15 AM
Anyone see/post this yet? Unlisted video on their channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0SLGnKP5o8&t=1s

Introducing the most technical truck ever made - the AF1.

Our all-new ACE AF1 features game-changing performance without compromising the beloved original Ace geometry. The AF1 is carefully manufactured in our own proprietary casting process, using a superior-quality AA 356.2 alloy and gets finished off with a true T6 heat treatment. Years in the making, the ACE AF1 has a 70% increase in the aluminum’s integral strength making it the strongest cast truck on the market. Coupled with new SAE 4041 steel axles the AF1 has superior strength throughout. These trucks grind like no other!

Additionally, this ground-breaking truck is also the first to include patent pending re-threading axle nuts, meaning you'll never have stripped axles again!

After you tour the long list of features, grab a set and feel the difference, you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 15, 2021, 11:07:14 AM
Did they outsource a fancy video and IG clips to the stranger things theme song?

Have any other companies used the term “suspension” when describing bushings?

New pivots. New washers. Stronger alum. Good changes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 15, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/mDWcC1H/70-C75-FC0-C8-C9-4732-A5-CC-A30-C9389-ED4-E.png) (https://ibb.co/mDWcC1H)

I know I’m being annoying here but.... fresh trucks and the kingpin is already getting hung up?? I was really hoping they would fix the loose kingpins/hang up issue, or atleast make the baseplate dlk compatible.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 15, 2021, 11:31:02 AM
Damn, I left for lunch and a commotion broke out ITT. I love it.

Called one of my locals today and tried to sweet talk them into letting me buy them one day early. No dice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 15, 2021, 11:32:12 AM
Boy, the industry shills are coming out of the woodworks with their burner accounts.

They are so responsive to being called out and will turn on you in a heartbeat. Not unlike the newly designed **Ace AF1’s**

Real talk, if there are Indy and thunder shills here, y’all can suck my sick from the back. Also, I’m super happy I got paid today and will be picking up a pair ASAP.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on April 15, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
For anyone wondering about US pricing, Cal Surf has them up for sale for $62 a set: https://www.cal-surf.com/skateboards/trucks/ace/af1-44-polished-pid-40704 (https://www.cal-surf.com/skateboards/trucks/ace/af1-44-polished-pid-40704)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 15, 2021, 11:39:55 AM
Boy, the industry shills are coming out of the woodworks with their burner accounts.

They are so responsive to being called out and will turn on you in a heartbeat. Not unlike the newly designed **Ace AF1’s**

Real talk, if there are Indy and thunder shills here, y’all can suck my sick from the back. Also, I’m super happy I got paid today and will be picking up a pair ASAP.

I already Gnarred you for something else in the past 24 hours but I owe you another for this one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 11:44:23 AM
you guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 11:48:00 AM
you guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm

Its more like "huh, we are on the verge of the release of a hotly discussed, anticipated product that seems and feels like a bit of a mystery, then some people log on with brand new shiny accounts, folks who havent contributed anything yet, acting like assholes, then getting really bothered/upset when people point out all the obvious aforementioned things."

The rest of us are eagerly anticipating the trucks, but not a single person here has said that a truck they havent ridden yet is the best truck of all time, or even good for that matter.

So fuck off, basically.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 15, 2021, 11:52:15 AM
Whaaaa? Someone said something about these trucks I don’t like? They must an industry shill!! Corporate conspiracy!! People aren’t allowed to be critical!! Praise only!!

Seriously?

I like ace but I’m going to suck their dick for everything they do, I think they dropped the ball here.

Hopefully the trucks feel like ace classics (because that’s the turn we love) and they last longer. That’s literally it. They didn’t do anything else to this truck, they didn’t fix the kingpin clearance and they didn’t make hollow or dlk options like other companies have had for ages now.
But they extend the wheelbase and threw in a useless rethreader. Surely this the best most technical truck in the game now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
some serious ace agents in this thread. jah bless
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
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you guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm
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Its more like "huh, we are on the verge of the release of a hotly discussed, anticipated product that seems and feels like a bit of a mystery, then some people log on with brand new shiny accounts, folks who havent contributed anything yet, acting like assholes, then getting really bothered/upset when people point out all the obvious aforementioned things."

The rest of us are eagerly anticipating the trucks, but not a single person here has said that a truck they havent ridden yet is the best truck of all time, or even good for that matter.

So fuck off, basically.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Its weird how you can't differentiate between people being excited about the release of a new product and sharing dribs and drabs of news about it, and people claiming that the product is the best thing ever.

Like really fucking weird. Almost as though there is an agenda.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 15, 2021, 12:00:09 PM
I can't imagine caring this much about a pair of trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 12:00:19 PM
Whaaaa? Someone said something about these trucks I don’t like? They must an industry shill!! Corporate conspiracy!! People aren’t allowed to be critical!! Praise only!!

Seriously?

I like ace but I’m going to suck their dick for everything they do, I think they dropped the ball here.

Hopefully the trucks feel like ace classics (because that’s the turn we love) and they last longer. That’s literally it. They didn’t do anything else to this truck, they didn’t fix the kingpin clearance and they didn’t make hollow or dlk options like other companies have had for ages now.
But they extend the wheelbase and threw in a useless rethreader. Surely this the best most technical truck in the game now.

you're seriously underestimating the power of joey t's army of crystal light energy healers. jah has no mercy on bumba claats like you. be warned. big gayve is their muscle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 15, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
my local had them in stock since yesterday, and I picked some up this morning. Basically had my first sesh in 3 months but they felt really good. I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual. The metal they used on these is great they don’t feel cheap and soft anymore. That’s about all I’ve got for now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 15, 2021, 12:03:57 PM
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you guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm
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Its more like "huh, we are on the verge of the release of a hotly discussed, anticipated product that seems and feels like a bit of a mystery, then some people log on with brand new shiny accounts, folks who havent contributed anything yet, acting like assholes, then getting really bothered/upset when people point out all the obvious aforementioned things."

The rest of us are eagerly anticipating the trucks, but not a single person here has said that a truck they havent ridden yet is the best truck of all time, or even good for that matter.

So fuck off, basically.

Hot new release brings in hot new users, are you really surprised about that? This is a discussion board where we talk critically about trucks/gear. If you can’t handle it, maybe say off the forum.
I’m contributing right now. This a contribution, contrary to what you might believe. New users have to start somewhere.
I tried to be excited about this. I was super stoked when I first heard, made an account so I could talk people about it without getting flamed like you would on Instagram.
but the more I learn about AFs I can’t help myself from feeling disappointed.

I guess that makes me an industry shill? No, I’m just passionate about skateboarding and I know what I’m talking about when it comes to trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 15, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
my local had them in stock since yesterday, and I picked some up this morning. Basically had my first sesh in 3 months but they felt really good. I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual. The metal they used on these is great they don’t feel cheap and soft anymore. That’s about all I’ve got for now.

Nooooooooo

Noooooooooooo

Please NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.


Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
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Whaaaa? Someone said something about these trucks I don’t like? They must an industry shill!! Corporate conspiracy!! People aren’t allowed to be critical!! Praise only!!

Seriously?

I like ace but I’m going to suck their dick for everything they do, I think they dropped the ball here.

Hopefully the trucks feel like ace classics (because that’s the turn we love) and they last longer. That’s literally it. They didn’t do anything else to this truck, they didn’t fix the kingpin clearance and they didn’t make hollow or dlk options like other companies have had for ages now.
But they extend the wheelbase and threw in a useless rethreader. Surely this the best most technical truck in the game now.
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big gayve is their muscle.

I mean, I know you're trying to do the edgy humorous insult thing, but I think these days this kind of homophobic thing says a whole lot more about you than me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DiscordanceAxis on April 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
i'll buy these AF1's and keep my mouth shut and never make a gay joke again, yes they/zir/zaam
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 01:41:35 PM
i'll buy these AF1's and keep my mouth shut and never make a gay joke again, yes they/zir/zaam

Funny as shit, you are, aren't you? Cutting edge 2021 humour.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 15, 2021, 01:55:58 PM
i'll buy these AF1's and keep my mouth shut and never make a gay joke again, yes they/zir/zaam

(https://i.ibb.co/0ZDQdcv/ESs-Pvjd-Xk-AU-SGj.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0ZDQdcv)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 15, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
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Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.

Spent a few more minutes on them... The turning feels handicapped for lack of better words. Like it feels the same, but it wheelbites quicker than before, which might be because the wheelbase was extended, but that's just my guess. With the Ace Classics I had to really try to even hit wheelbite, yet with the AF1's it's really easy to bite. I definitely can't get as deep of a turn out of them compared to the previous Aces due to hitting wheelbite. Maybe they'll feel better with risers and more slack for the turning radius.

 On the plus side, they pop way way nicer than the previous versions of Aces, which was my main gripe with the Ace Classics.

Edit: running stock tightness as well, haven't touched it at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on April 15, 2021, 02:59:04 PM
just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.

On IG, companies can read DM's before they choose to "Accept" them. If they don't accept them, you won't see a read reciept or "seen at x:xxpm". So they likely read your messages and ignored them.

With that said, Ace did respond to me about a warranty question. it was terse, but they did respond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 15, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
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just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.
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On IG, companies can read DM's before they choose to "Accept" them. If they don't accept them, you won't see a read reciept or "seen at x:xxpm". So they likely read your messages and ignored them.

With that said, Ace did respond to me about a warranty question. it was terse, but they did respond.

Nah, they leave their commenting on stories off. You can always DM them, but I just thought t hat particular bit was funny, that they probably dont accept comments on their stories except from mutuals.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 03:12:20 PM
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I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.
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Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.
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Spent a few more minutes on them... The turning feels handicapped for lack of better words. Like it feels the same, but it wheelbites quicker than before, which might be because the wheelbase was extended, but that's just my guess. With the Ace Classics I had to really try to even hit wheelbite, yet with the AF1's it's really easy to bite. I definitely can't get as deep of a turn out of them compared to the previous Aces due to hitting wheelbite. Maybe they'll feel better with risers and more slack for the turning radius.

 On the plus side, they pop way way nicer than the previous versions of Aces, which was my main gripe with the Ace Classics.

Edit: running stock tightness as well, haven't touched it at all.

Well this fucking sucks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 03:12:29 PM
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I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.
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Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.
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Spent a few more minutes on them... The turning feels handicapped for lack of better words. Like it feels the same, but it wheelbites quicker than before, which might be because the wheelbase was extended, but that's just my guess. With the Ace Classics I had to really try to even hit wheelbite, yet with the AF1's it's really easy to bite. I definitely can't get as deep of a turn out of them compared to the previous Aces due to hitting wheelbite. Maybe they'll feel better with risers and more slack for the turning radius.

 On the plus side, they pop way way nicer than the previous versions of Aces, which was my main gripe with the Ace Classics.

Edit: running stock tightness as well, haven't touched it at all.

New bushings will take a few sessions before they firm
Up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2021, 03:14:55 PM
Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.

Indeed, if they did screw with any part of the geometry, as opposed to just adding more material, it'd be a colossal fucking blunder considering they're appealing for that very reason, and you put up with all the other crap just because. Again though, I'd wait until someone breaks out the tape measure with some og Aces to compare.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 03:20:46 PM
Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.

Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 15, 2021, 03:40:23 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.

I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 03:41:33 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
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I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase

Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 15, 2021, 03:52:32 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
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I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
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Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?

Yeah +2.75", at least according to what people have posted here in the past
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
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I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
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Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?

Yup, that was the most reported measurement for original Aces. Some were +/- a 1/16" in the older wheelbase thread, but I'd say +2.75"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 15, 2021, 03:56:47 PM
Yes. Classics were +2.75”

That’s pretty big news (IF TRUE) and will confirm something changed with the geo. So the A1 specs saying “all these features with the geometry you know and love” were kind of a lie
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
Yes. Classics were +2.75”

That’s pretty big news (IF TRUE) and will confirm something changed with the geo. So the A1 specs saying “all these features with the geometry you know and love” were kind of a lie


Not to defend them at all, because if the turning changed, well fuck that, but they might have meant in terms of Kingpin angle? and the hanger's design just has it sitting further back? idk
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 15, 2021, 04:30:30 PM
I'm just going to stay out of this hypothetical argument until we get to touch them tomorrow.

Ha, yeah crazy in here right about now isn't it?



Release new truck but keep it under wraps: Check!

Create hype: Check!

Create controversy:  Check!

Finally release truck:   (oh so close now)


Nothing I have seen or read is going to change my opinion about Ace, regardless of what they have done with it, but all in good time things will become clear.

The classics in various sizes I have had and skated worked well, so I may or may not try a pair of AF1 55s down the road, depending on what is available and for how much.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on April 15, 2021, 05:23:26 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
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I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
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Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?
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Yup, that was the most reported measurement for original Aces. Some were +/- a 1/16" in the older wheelbase thread, but I'd say +2.75"

This semi confirms all the photos I posted. They did fuck with the wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 05:27:55 PM
Its all over. The dream is sitting in the mud of St Thomas staring at a half finished Jamaican mini ramp.

Oh well... Guess I'll get to axle on my classics and then kill myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 05:40:52 PM
Its all over. The dream is sitting in the mud of St Thomas staring at a half finished Jamaican mini ramp.

Oh well... Guess I'll get to axle on my classics and then kill myself.

Eh just buy another set of 55s after. They said theyre staying in the line up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleCooper on April 15, 2021, 05:44:45 PM
Wheelbase has not changed.


The funny thing is: that's what i'm bummed about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 15, 2021, 05:49:15 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.

Yeah I’ll keep with the classics just kinda like if they basically made a current Indy from a business standpoint they may have shot their selves in the foot.

I’m also curious if I can put the new hangers on classic base plates and if that works will it be skating a classic as far as turn and wheel base extension but you get the bonus of the new materials and an 8.5 hanger or whatever size a person skates. This is kinda the route I’m thinking of going.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 15, 2021, 05:50:55 PM
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Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
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Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.

Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
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I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
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Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?
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Yup, that was the most reported measurement for original Aces. Some were +/- a 1/16" in the older wheelbase thread, but I'd say +2.75"
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This semi confirms all the photos I posted. They did fuck with the wb.

Very possibly. Probably wanna wait until they drop wide to confirm, but you may be right.

On the other hand if that is the case, maybe I'm being short-sighted. If they still offer the classics as they've always been, and offer people/pro's a genuine alternative to Indy they might be able to scoop people up who don't wanna deal with the NHS noise but were hesitant to make the jump....?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 05:55:30 PM
Wheelbase has not changed.



It hasnt?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 15, 2021, 06:08:10 PM
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Wheelbase has not changed.


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It hasnt?

Spill the tea, agent C.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 15, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
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Its all over. The dream is sitting in the mud of St Thomas staring at a half finished Jamaican mini ramp.

Oh well... Guess I'll get to axle on my classics and then kill myself.
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Eh just buy another set of 55s after. They said theyre staying in the line up

Will do. Side note, My local isn't getting them in just yet. I'm not in any hurry to buy these online.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 15, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Not sure what going on anymore

But ace has a video dropping tmrw on thrasher?

And it’s “our turn”

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNtS1R6gY88/?igshid=y32y7zqziypv
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2021, 08:02:45 PM
I have a dipshit kid telling me to look through the Ace stories in regard to my wheelbase question.

Some mother fuckers still out there thinking that means truck width.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 15, 2021, 08:16:53 PM
I said it way earlier in this thread but ace really fucked up with this whole af1 thing. If they wouldve just kept the classic line exactly the same and added three new sizes, 49 for 8.5, 51 for 8.75 and 77 for 9.5, everybody wouldve been happy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 15, 2021, 09:04:55 PM
Conspiracy theory time: they made them more like stage 11 Indys to lure even more of the rider base away from NHS. Same geometry you know and love (if you already ride Indys.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 15, 2021, 09:14:05 PM
I have a dipshit kid telling me to look through the Ace stories in regard to my wheelbase question.

Some mother fuckers still out there thinking that means truck width.

Ha yeah!

If only there was a "Kook" or similar button on Instagram...

There have been a few other posts I have seen with people arguing about things like that when they actually don't have a clue, it would seem.

Good times!!!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 02:14:51 AM
Who asked for Ace trucks to turn less :o
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 16, 2021, 02:54:44 AM
Who asked for Ace trucks to turn less :o

Have you tried them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 16, 2021, 03:39:56 AM
I was waiting to see how much the AF1's would cost in Europe, other than in that Polish website, because they use a different currency in Poland. 
So it seems like it is 40 euros a truck, 80 EUROS A SET.
https://www.bonkers-shop.com/product/skateboarding/trucks/ace-trucks-af1-44-truck-polished/
That's 10euros more than a set of regular Indys (and I always thought they were a bit expensive), is the 10 euros extra for the re-threader nut I dont need?! 

I'm also having a hard time seeing where is this the "most technical truck ever made".
They essentially just corrected what was wrong with the classics, which should be a given by now.
If you take the marketing filter of the way this is what you'll see:
- "No more shitty aluminium guys, we got the good stuff now"
- "good axles too, fingers crossed they dont bend now"
- "we hollowed the baseplate like all the other brands"
- "we made our washers fit the bushings"
- "no more shitty pivot cups too"
- "we also put a re-threader nut that no one asked for"
- "oh, and by the way we're charging 10$ more then all our competition for essentially the same product".
In what what way is this a game changer truck?
I know most of you don't care and will buy them anyway, but to me this is just a glorified standard truck with a hefty price tag.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 03:48:31 AM
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Have you tried them?

Geometry. You set the axles more far apart, it's going to turn less - whether it's a car or a skateboard. Ace trucks turn the best because they set your axles in the most of all trucks. Now that they have walked it back it makes sense that they would call this truck "technical" in the promotional materials. To me these seem like Indy Mids for dudes that don't want to ride Indy. But correct me if I'm wrong. This is all given that the reports of increased wheelbase are true. I'm staying on the Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 16, 2021, 04:00:21 AM
So they’re making their own risers and hardware now as well
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 04:57:29 AM
Hanger et all specs for 55 and 66.

edit: looks like the site has all specs for all trucks. 65 bucks a set yikes.


Some of our speculation was off, hanger on the classic 55 is 6.37"
AF1 66 is 6.4" / 163mm

Polish site weeks ago showed the hanger had shrunk on the 9" truck.
I mean it's 3/100ths of an inch but at least it didnt shrink.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 16, 2021, 05:21:38 AM
Weight measurements in ounces too. But yeah the AF1 66 have a 9” axle, and weigh 411g. With a 163mm hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 05:24:33 AM
Weight measurements in ounces too. But yeah the AF1 66 have a 9” axle, and weigh 411g. With a 163mm hanger.

What's a 55 classic weigh? Truck weight is the least of my concerns at this point, but just curious.
The hanger width was important to me, that checks out. Just want to know about the wheelbase, but I am probably gonna order them this morning.

Also it looks like these are 1mm taller? going to 53 from 52 in the classics?

edit: now I see classics are also 53mm, at least on the Ace site where they profile the different trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 16, 2021, 05:27:23 AM
I really like ace but I'm not too stoked on the 65$ price tag for a set of 44's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 05:32:43 AM
I really like ace but I'm not too stoked on the 65$ price tag for a set of 44's

I am trying to think of the price increase as justified through a longer lasting truck, but that wasn't something I needed or wanted. Just figure like a prorated additional cost would hopefully be stratified in a longer truck life.

The upfront hurts. I can afford it, but that's a chunk to ask someone for right now. It's also gonna affect the price of a fam walking into buy their kid a christmas complete pretty significantly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rem377 on April 16, 2021, 05:49:50 AM
Looks like each truck weighs nearly an ounce more than the classic. Ace says on their website the AF1 33 weighs 13.5 ounces vs the classic weighing 12.8 according to the video Skate Warehouse made a few years ago. https://youtu.be/OAwRiC8QZPQ
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 16, 2021, 06:07:22 AM
https://thepremierstore.com/products/af1-polished-truck-set-of-2

$63 on premier

https://thepremierstore.com/products/af1-gold-truck-set-of-2

Gold is $65


AND THEY HAVE THE OLD SIZE CHART .. haha this is gonna get ugly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 16, 2021, 06:14:26 AM
I love ace but....damn ace congrats, you made an Indy. Also few things. The weight of an 8.5 Indy according to tactics  is 394 grams =13.898 ounces. Anyone got the weight on the new 55?

Also on aces website it says classics are 53mm tall not 52mm. So if the new one is 53mm it’s the same.l height as classic that’s a positive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 16, 2021, 06:17:10 AM
Damn, $65 is steep
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 16, 2021, 06:34:04 AM
I love ace but damn ace congrats. You made an Indy. Also few things. The weight of an 8.5 Indy according to tactics  is 394 grams =13.898 ounces. Anyone got the weight on the new 55?

Also on aces website it says classics are 53mm tall not 52mm. So if the new one is 53mm it’s the same.l height as classic that’s a positive.

Here it says 400g: https://www.bonkers-shop.com/product/skateboarding/trucks/ace-trucks-af1-55-truck-polished/

And Indys at 398g: https://www.bonkers-shop.com/product/skateboarding/trucks/independent-stage-11-standard-149-trucks/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 16, 2021, 06:37:11 AM
I will report back guys.  I didn't skate the Classic's after the V2's, because once I put normal axle nuts on them, they were fine for me.

I'm about a few bad slams away from going full cyclist, or full cruiser and quitting clicking my tail at 37.  My boss at work (who is not NOT hot) wants a clip when I get back after quarantining, so I'll be trying to put in some work and get a feel for these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 16, 2021, 06:56:03 AM
Heavier than the classics and slightly wider hangers.

AF1s
66s:
• Axle width: 9” (229mm)
• Hanger width: 6.4” (163mm)
• Truck height: 2.1” (53mm)
• Fits boards: 8.75” - 9.25”
• Weight: 14.5 oz 411g

Classic 55s are 162mm hangers and 407g

AF1 55s:

• Axle width: 8.5” (215mm)
• Hanger width: 5.8” (149mm)
• Truck height: 2.1” (53mm)
• Fits boards: 8.3” - 8.75”
• Weight: 14 oz 397g

Classic 44s are 146mm hanger and 390g
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 16, 2021, 06:57:10 AM
Is it really true they extended the wheelbase? Just ordered a pair but not sure if I'll keep them if they're just Ace's Indy Mid.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 07:00:04 AM
Is it really true they extended the wheelbase? Just ordered a pair but not sure if I'll keep them if they're just Ace's Indy Mid.

We have one user report saying so.....

Also look at the comparison photo a few pages back. It certainly seems that way from the photo too.

I'm pretty pissed about it.... If true..... And so far it seems like it's true. Who knows......
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We have one user report saying so.....

Also look at the comparison photo a few pages back. It certainly seems that way from the photo too.

I'm pretty pissed about it.... If true..... And so far it seems like it's true. Who knows......

Well, damn I'm not too happy about that. I'll check next week when I get these myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 16, 2021, 07:09:21 AM
Lots of strong opinions on some trucks no one here has skated, or even held in their hand, yet  ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on April 16, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
People freaking out about the wheelbase, fucking hilarious. The hanger is wonky in that pic, it’s not straight on so it pushed the one side up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 09:10:40 AM
just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on April 16, 2021, 09:10:48 AM
Lots of strong opinions on some trucks no one here has skated, or even held in their hand, yet  ::)

That’s because this is basically the same truck we’ve already been skating?
In the BEST case scenario: the only difference is that the trucks last longer. That’s it. There’s nothing special about this truck compared to the classic (unless they ruined the wheelbase) which is I why I feel it’s reasonable to disappointed by $15 more dollars for extra weight on the truck, Same excessively long press fitted kingpins, no hollow options, no dlk baseplate etc etc......

Maybe I had my expectations too high in the first place.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 16, 2021, 09:11:24 AM
Up on Skatewarehouse:

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Skateboard_Trucks/catpage-TRACE.html
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 16, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
People freaking out about the wheelbase, fucking hilarious. The hanger is wonky in that pic, it’s not straight on so it pushed the one side up.

Maybe. Maybe not. They sure are ducking that question on the gram. No one from ace addressed it and it has been asked a few times
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 16, 2021, 09:12:46 AM
Up on Ace's site: $62-69 depending on size/color

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0SLGnKP5o8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8cfrAdMJs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 16, 2021, 09:29:40 AM
I was about to pull the trigger on the official Ace site, but now all the talk about wheelbase got me nervous. I just want better Classics. Otherwise why not just buy Classics?

The Gold 33's, though... Still tempted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 09:52:30 AM
just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.

Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
I do let me take a oic and ill upload it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 16, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
Up on Skatewarehouse:

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Skateboard_Trucks/catpage-TRACE.html

Skate warehouse? .....Nah
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 09:59:10 AM
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
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I do let me take a oic and ill upload it

Thanks man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
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https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Skateboard_Trucks/catpage-TRACE.html
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Skate warehouse? .....Nah

My local kind of slept on this whole deal, I picked up a big bag of shit, including yes the Ace tool, from SoCal this morning. They seem to have everything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
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I do let me take a oic and ill upload it
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Thanks man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
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Thanks man
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
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I do let me take a oic and ill upload it
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Thanks man
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CNvCf5IBTSu/

Thanks man

You just put my mind at ease haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:28:30 AM
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just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
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Nice one

Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
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Thanks man

You just put my mind at ease haha
they seem like a mil difference but I dont think it would make tooo much of a huge difference, I'm looking forward to the new pivot cups and bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 10:30:20 AM
I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...
I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
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I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...
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I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference

If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 16, 2021, 10:43:26 AM
@skateandphotos  gnarred for doing gods work.

On deck axle to axle. Would be sick. Also when you skate them. Will you post  about first impressions and such? Since you skated the classics you have a good baseline to compare them etc. also what classics did you skate? Which af1 size did you go for?  Your pick has me back thinking about ordering some. Neither local of mine carry ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
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I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...
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I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference
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If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38

Dang. And the world was never the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:48:08 AM
@skateandphotos  gnarred for doing gods work.

On deck axle to axle. Would be sick. Also when you skate them. Will you post  about first impressions and such? Since you skated the classics you have a good baseline to compare them etc. also what classics did you skate? Which af1 size did you go for?  Your pick has me back thinking about ordering some. Neither local of mine carry ace.
Yeah no problem I could make a youtube video if you guys would like I dont mind at all. I have the 44 classics and I got the AF1 55's because I just bought some thunder 148s for my 8.25s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:56:37 AM
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@skateandphotos  gnarred for doing gods work.

On deck axle to axle. Would be sick. Also when you skate them. Will you post  about first impressions and such? Since you skated the classics you have a good baseline to compare them etc. also what classics did you skate? Which af1 size did you go for?  Your pick has me back thinking about ordering some. Neither local of mine carry ace.
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Yeah no problem I could make a youtube video if you guys would like I dont mind at all. I have the 44 classics and I got the AF1 55's because I just bought some thunder 148s for my 8.25s
The classics I have, have brand new ace bushings that I skated for maybe 15 20 minutes before rolling my ankle bad so I could also compare the new bushings to the old ones if you want to see that too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 10:56:54 AM
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If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
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Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38

Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 10:58:53 AM
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I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...
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I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference
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If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
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Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38
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Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.
Hopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you all
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on April 16, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
Been skating af1 55s the last couple days. I use my old bushings from classic 44s I was skating before and the turn feels exactly the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 11:07:49 AM
My guess is that they extended the wheelbase because some riders on the team, particularly the one hitting gnarly street spots and rails, needed it. What are they going to do, ride Indy? Everyone else can stay on Classics. Hyping the truck up to be the next evolution of Ace seems to be very miscalculated in my mind. Also this will make me question whether a trick in an Ace video was done on the classics or AF1, because the difference in geometry will obviously make them have different qualities in riding as well. With the information we have right now, it's safe to say AF1 will be similar to Indy Mid or Stage 10, which means more tech, more speed, more gaps, more rails, but less carving.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 16, 2021, 11:12:18 AM
Not to derail the convo here, but my local just got Film trucks in and I'm in need of new trucks - not sure if I should stick to 44 classics (been on these for the last 8 months and love em), give the AF1s a try, or take a run at Films... I'm not massively opposed to trying new things, but just wondered if any serious Ace lovers here have rode Films and have a decent comparison.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 16, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
Ace Fanboys when they hear about the wheelbase being extended:

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 11:20:45 AM
My guess is that they extended the wheelbase because some riders on the team, particularly the one hitting gnarly street spots and rails, needed it. What are they going to do, ride Indy? Everyone else can stay on Classics. Hyping the truck up to be the next evolution of Ace seems to be very miscalculated in my mind. Also this will make me question whether a trick in an Ace video was done on the classics or AF1, because the difference in geometry will obviously make them have different qualities in riding as well. With the information we have right now, it's safe to say AF1 will be similar to Indy Mid or Stage 10, which means more tech, more speed, more gaps, more rails, but less carving.
Good point I'm wondering if they'll feel more stable as well with the wider wb. I definitely agree with you it seems they want to make a middle ground truck that can accommodate the broad range of wheel bases on the market especially the smaller sized boards 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 11:21:44 AM
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I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference
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If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
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Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38
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Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.
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Hopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you all

Gnar'd

Thanks man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference
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If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
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Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38
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Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.
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Hopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you all
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Gnar'd

Thanks man
no problem I'll edit and upload it as soon as I can
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 11:25:20 AM
Ace Fanboys when they hear about the wheelbase being extended:

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Literally no one is doing this. I ordered a pair knowing this was possible. Ill adjust, probably enjoy them, and life will go on. If I dont like them, the classics arent going anywhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 16, 2021, 11:30:47 AM
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateandphotos on April 16, 2021, 11:34:46 AM
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these
I skated two setups at one point last summer one with indy titaniums and one with ace 44's personally I didn't find a huge difference besides the obvious weight but for me its mostly wheelbase and steepness of the kicks that being said personally it wasn't a huge difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2021, 11:39:03 AM
I went and got 77s for the sake of science, ace risers and shock pads as well. I figured my 9.18 was too small so I got a Scram 9.75" to try them with. I don't think I am going to skate them today but I will also do some thorough measuring and report back.

Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these

IMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 16, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
IMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.

That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2021, 12:01:45 PM
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That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up

True re:height, but classic Aces push the axle in a lot further than Thunders which will also lightens things up. I'm sure the weight loss on a light truck helps, but I stick by my belief that hight and axle placement matter more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 12:25:03 PM
It would be the perfect storm if Indy now released something like "The OGs" with a +2.75 wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on April 16, 2021, 12:26:21 PM
Concerning developments for sure regarding the wheelbase. The whole appeal of Ace is the zany turn.

Will I still be copping to try for myself? Yes I will.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 16, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
I can relate to the gear madness but some of yall are freaking out way too much. I can assure most of you that we will all be able to do our mediocre skateboarding equally mediocre whether its on AF1's or classic aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sketchyrider on April 16, 2021, 12:48:55 PM
this is the most action shoes&gear has gotten in a while.

i do think its interesting, there's no other company out there that's offering two different versions of trucks like ace.

like yeah different weight variations, lows/mids sure, but this is like two different geos almost. hard to believe they will keep making both.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on April 16, 2021, 01:09:24 PM
may as well fully poach indy and make the af1 55mm tall

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
this is the most action shoes&gear has gotten in a while.

i do think its interesting, there's no other company out there that's offering two different versions of trucks like ace.

like yeah different weight variations, lows/mids sure, but this is like two different geos almost. hard to believe they will keep making both.

They defo wont keep both. Makes no sense

Classics will go eventually
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 16, 2021, 02:21:03 PM
Got AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.

Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.

Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.

Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.

Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 16, 2021, 02:25:20 PM
Got AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.

Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.

Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.

Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.

Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.
Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.

But just FYI that the standard version are named 44 classics, not V1. That A1 versus V1 terminology you are using is a bit confusing, and you mention V3?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on April 16, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
The positivity we needed in this thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on April 16, 2021, 02:26:02 PM
this is the most action shoes&gear has gotten in a while.

i do think its interesting, there's no other company out there that's offering two different versions of trucks like ace.

like yeah different weight variations, lows/mids sure, but this is like two different geos almost. hard to believe they will keep making both.

Don't forged indys have a different geo? And the mids? And those ventures with a wider wheelbase? doesn't changing the height change the geo regardless?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 16, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
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Got AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.

Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.

Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.

Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.

Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.
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Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.



Joey has always said bushings and pivot cups ARE the turn, more than anything else.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 16, 2021, 02:43:34 PM
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these

I went from 149 Indy TIs to classic ace 44s. I don’t remember having and issue with adjusting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2021, 02:53:52 PM
At risk of redundancy, can confirm that these do stretch the WB 1/4" more than classics. Measured on a 14.25" WB board, center of axle to center of axle.

Risers and shock pads look nice. Excited to have 1/8" risers that fit aces perfectly. The shock pads are 1/16" hard rubber, so they do not add much height.

Looking forward to trying these, though I promised myself not to set them up until my current 55 classics are toast. We'll see.

@Roisto good to see you posting again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 16, 2021, 03:21:13 PM
Ordered a pair of 33s.  Trying to slim down to a 8.06/8.01.  Might get a pair of 44s too and just keep whichever one works better on that width
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on April 16, 2021, 04:06:09 PM
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IMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.
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That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up
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True re:height, but classic Aces push the axle in a lot further than Thunders which will also lightens things up. I'm sure the weight loss on a light truck helps, but I stick by my belief that hight and axle placement matter more.

Definitely this. The geometry of the height and axel placement has a lot more to do with how the board will react, snap and feel more so than a negligable difference in weight. With added weight you don't really have to adjust, just pop harder. You'd have to adjust way more to the weight distribution, turn and tipping/contact points of different trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 16, 2021, 04:23:46 PM
I can relate to the gear madness but some of yall are freaking out way too much. I can assure most of you that we will all be able to do our mediocre skateboarding equally mediocre whether its on AF1's or classic aces.
I ordered a new pair of classic 55s today out of fear that my incredibly mediocre skating might improve with the AF1's. I don't need that shit at this stage in the game.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 16, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
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IMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.
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That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up
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True re:height, but classic Aces push the axle in a lot further than Thunders which will also lightens things up. I'm sure the weight loss on a light truck helps, but I stick by my belief that hight and axle placement matter more.
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Definitely this. The geometry of the height and axel placement has a lot more to do with how the board will react, snap and feel more so than a negligable difference in weight. With added weight you don't really have to adjust, just pop harder. You'd have to adjust way more to the weight distribution, turn and tipping/contact points of different trucks.

That's mostly true when you're talking about going between trucks where there's 5-10g of difference, like the film hollow vs raw. However, going from grooved thunder titaniums to new Aces is like a half pound of weight and you definitely notice. If I go from Tensor ATG aluminum to ATG mag lights and (theoretically at least) have the same (all terrain™) geo but only change the weight it's a massive difference, and is in fact the primary reason my mag lights are well grooved and my aluminum ATG - which incidentally are actually heavier than the alloys - have barely been skated.

Now can you adapt? Of course. And it's not the sort of thing you're going to notice on individual tricks once you adjust. It's much more of a cumulative thing. Especially as you get deeper into your 30s you'll find its a lot easier to stay out on the spot, still get your board off the ground after an hour, and be able to walk the next day with a lighter truck.

I think individually from trick to trick the "feel" of a truck is definitely more closely tied to the height and geometry, but it's short sighted to discount weight in the overall picture. It's kind of a micro/macro thing in my mind.

As I've said before I'm not really interested in the af1. They didn't change any of the things that would make a difference to me, and I actually think the 8.35/7/8 axle length on Ace 44 is one of the best things about them. I've become kind of a fan of the in-between axle length trucks like tensor and destructo and I'd have been more excited for an 8.125 axle Ace than an 8.25. That's just my preference though.


Oh and for whoever said Ace is the only company with 2 versions of a truck on the market - they're not. Tensor has 2 (3 if you count alloys as a separate line), 10s and ATG. Destructo has D1/D2. I feel like I'm forgetting at least one other one too. I really hope that Ace keeps the classic and low lines going as I think there's definitely unique niches for both and covering a broader spectrum of the market can definitely be a good thing.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TooManyPros on April 16, 2021, 06:15:22 PM
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Grant Patronik on April 16, 2021, 06:38:09 PM
What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 16, 2021, 06:42:44 PM
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.

I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.

This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.

No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.

Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.



What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?

AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.

Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Grant Patronik on April 16, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
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I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.

This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.

No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.

Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.



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What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?
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AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.

Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.

Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 16, 2021, 07:03:17 PM
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.

This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.

No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.

Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.



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What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?
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AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.

Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.
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Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.

I like to have my wheels flush with the edge of the board, so the Classic 44s were never really quite what I wanted for width in truck, but they still work well for most people who wanted no wheel showing.

The new ones are more expensive, along with all the rest of the added features, but also sit right on 8.5, so depending on how much you have to spend and where you like the wheels to sit, I would say those two factors will be the deciding point for which truck you buy.

Personally I would be going for the AF1, but that is just me.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 16, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
This post from Ace has some close up pics of the rethreading nuts and other spec info that is interesting to see.

All the other pics after the first pic, that is.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNt7nmKMxfs/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 16, 2021, 07:15:27 PM
I currently only have ventures on my setups, if I put aces on a bigger deck I’m going to set up am I going to die because I will have trucks that turn? Or can they be tightened a reasonable amount
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 16, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
I currently only have ventures on my setups, if I put aces on a bigger deck I’m going to set up am I going to die because I will have trucks that turn? Or canthey be tightened a reasonable amount

You will learn the essence of skateboarding.
You have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 16, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Dumb question, I’m sure, but... if the axle nuts are already self rethreading, what is the extra axle rethreader for, exactly?
I mean, aside from a reason to bump the price?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 16, 2021, 09:45:46 PM
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Got AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.

Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.

Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.

Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.

Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.
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Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.

But just FYI that the standard version are named 44 classics, not V1. That A1 versus V1 terminology you are using is a bit confusing, and you mention V3?

The classics had three revisions that were not really announced in any way, I am referring to them with the V1 and V3. To me the V3s turned great out of the box and the V1s required changing the washers. V2s I can’t remember if they needed fiddling or not but they had those stupid small axle nuts. This is how I remember it but my memory isn’t the best so take it all with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 16, 2021, 10:11:30 PM
Dumb question, I’m sure, but... if the axle nuts are already self rethreading, what is the extra axle rethreader for, exactly?
I mean, aside from a reason to bump the price?

Ha yes, someone finally asked on here!

I had been thinking that from the day I saw all the info, pics and that, so was going to post, but then thought no, I will wait and see if anyone else picks up on it or says it, or how long until someone mentions it.


The only other thing I am curious about is if the nuts are going to be a harder metal than the axle (which they have to be to rethread the axles) but how well they would work is another interesting point.  One which I would wait and see for myself, or until someone else says something about it, eg the nut strips out before the axle actually rethreads.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 16, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Dumb question, I’m sure, but... if the axle nuts are already self rethreading, what is the extra axle rethreader for, exactly?
I mean, aside from a reason to bump the price?

I’m guessing the nuts are for when you mushroom out the axle from landing primo or on the side. It’ll just cut away the mushroomed/flat part then meet up with the original threads. Like when it’s hard to get the nut to catch after you take it off (because of the flatted end of the axle), but it catches eventually, then screws on fine.  The rethreading nuts might make it easier in that scenario. Actual rethreader for if the axle gets cross threaded and you need to cut all new threads. One for cutting/shaving a little bit of metal of, one for cutting a bunch of metal off. Also, I’d assume you’d mess up the thread locks trying to rethread a whole axle with the nuts.

No idea though, just a guess. I was asking myself the same thing as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 16, 2021, 10:37:16 PM
Maybe the nut only re-cuts the threads when you’re backing it off, thus re-honing the mushroomed “bellend”  into an axle ready to go when you screw that nut back on?
Easy enough to do, mfg. wise, I suppose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 16, 2021, 10:51:16 PM
The diagram says bonus rethreader so maybe its just a bonus rethreader.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 16, 2021, 11:28:36 PM
The diagram says bonus rethreader so maybe its just a bonus rethreader.

That's not a bad thing I can re thread all my other fucked trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on April 17, 2021, 01:40:30 AM
Uh oh, looks like we've got a battle of slogans:
(https://i.imgur.com/XhtMvQO.jpg)
vs
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 17, 2021, 02:54:37 AM
The diagram says bonus rethreader so maybe its just a bonus rethreader.

Have a look through the pics from the instagram post I put up (just back up this page) and you will see close up pics of the specialised nuts, both axle and kingpin nuts have a rethreading look built in to them.

Edit:  Thought it would be easier to add them here so anyone else can easily see them too.


(https://i.ibb.co/NmQXZ9k/Ace-Nuts-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0F8khCW)

(https://i.ibb.co/djWR9RF/Ace-Nuts-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mDxNxT)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 17, 2021, 03:20:23 AM
Not to derail the convo here, but my local just got Film trucks in and I'm in need of new trucks - not sure if I should stick to 44 classics (been on these for the last 8 months and love em), give the AF1s a try, or take a run at Films... I'm not massively opposed to trying new things, but just wondered if any serious Ace lovers here have rode Films and have a decent comparison.
I ride classic 44 aces on my polar and 6.0 films on my Chico big boy; not much difference in the pop but you will notice a difference in the turn, have heard replacing the pivot cups in the films (or greasing them) fixes it. They are certainly quality trucks but I always ride my films first in a session and then my aces, because if I do it the other way around there’s just not as much carve!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 17, 2021, 04:57:06 AM
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
not sure if i count as a regular but ace seems to be targeting indys market share based on the information that we have. all the stats in this thread alone confirmed i dont need to spend $65+ on a raw indy. just not happening for me

most venture heads wont give a shit about the af1s. thunder fans seem to be the most wishy-washy out of the 4 big truck brands, im sure diehards (not sponsored) exist but they arent too vocal on slap about only riding thunders. ace might snag some of those people.

the marketing is also shamelessly flimsy. "the most technical truck ever made" should have arrived with hollow or titanium variants. at least the fucking kingpin or something.

trust me i tried to let the marketing work, really. "now its our turn" didnt cut it. you can change bushings in any truck to make them turn better, the pic with the pre-release date 77s and bones mediums said it all for me. if they actually brought something new to table they wouldnt need to advertise with something so obvious. calling yourself a "pilot" seems cool but id need more than that to justify changing trucks.

excuse me if this is a disjointed post with different points, very hungover from last night and disappointed with the news. literally took the classics, added new sizes and some other nonsense, extended the wheelbase, and called it new. lazy isnt even the right word. doesnt even seem like anyone here is really excited, just willing to try the "new" truck and see how it goes. not hating on ace just disappointed that they think im stupid.

the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 17, 2021, 06:25:16 AM
I currently only have ventures on my setups, if I put aces on a bigger deck I’m going to set up am I going to die because I will have trucks that turn? Or can they be tightened a reasonable amount


I switch back n forth. Between those 2 brands. Ollie better on venture, and can still turn, like the turn of ace more, but the pop is less  consistent.

Like a moron I tried some thunders and had the best session I’ve had in months.


I’ll be getting af1s, just cuz
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 17, 2021, 06:40:06 AM
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not sure if i count as a regular but ace seems to be targeting indys market share based on the information that we have. all the stats in this thread alone confirmed i dont need to spend $65+ on a raw indy. just not happening for me

most venture heads wont give a shit about the af1s. thunder fans seem to be the most wishy-washy out of the 4 big truck brands, im sure diehards (not sponsored) exist but they arent too vocal on slap about only riding thunders. ace might snag some of those people.

the marketing is also shamelessly flimsy. "the most technical truck ever made" should have arrived with hollow or titanium variants. at least the fucking kingpin or something.

trust me i tried to let the marketing work, really. "now its our turn" didnt cut it. you can change bushings in any truck to make them turn better, the pic with the pre-release date 77s and bones mediums said it all for me. if they actually brought something new to table they wouldnt need to advertise with something so obvious. calling yourself a "pilot" seems cool but id need more than that to justify changing trucks.

excuse me if this is a disjointed post with different points, very hungover from last night and disappointed with the news. literally took the classics, added new sizes and some other nonsense, extended the wheelbase, and called it new. lazy isnt even the right word. doesnt even seem like anyone here is really excited, just willing to try the "new" truck and see how it goes. not hating on ace just disappointed that they think im stupid.

the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up

The "pilot" thing was cool when it meant riding completely different trucks. It's not as cool when you're piloting what are essentially Stage 10's. And you are right about the bushings and pivot cups - can change those out on any truck. We'll be seeing a lot of conical bushings used on the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 17, 2021, 07:37:12 AM
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the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up

I can't even justify this since I already bought the Paris tool years ago, which is practically the same thing. All they did was add a file and rethreaders? Why does the tool need rethreaders anyhow when everything else they're selling also seems to rethread?

They're really nice tools, though. They're more durable than the Silver tool so for the price you'll have the thing forever, but if you already own the old original Paris/Ace tool then you don't really need the added stuff. You already have the tool.

I still want a set of 33's, though. But I want something unique, which is the problem. If I wanted a "different" indy I'd just buy the new Krux, their new model just improved the geometry on those as well to make them more turny and "indy-like." Or I could just use my Destructo railkillers. Or the stage 11's I haven't touched in years.

Ace was unique because it brought the wheelbase in, basically the opposite of a Venture. I don't think the slightly extended wb will actually make much a difference, but still, even at this price I expect at least full hollows... The fact that these aren't lighter for the price seems weird to me.

Much like Venture, Ace always fell into that category of truck with questionable QC/issues. So maybe the AF1 will relieve them of that stigma even if it's at the cost of brand identity. You used to be able to get a set of classics for $45. I won't lie and say that wasn't part of the appeal.

I think I'm still going to buy 33's, but it's with hesitance. And even then it's mostly because I've been waiting years for this release. But then again, are they going to add these features within the next year? I wouldn't be surprised, and then I'll feel burned. If we're looking at AF1's with hollow pins/axles in 2022 for the same price I'm going to be annoyed. If I could go back in time I'd have bought the purple coping eaters just to add to my collection.

But whatever, the gold finish is kind of cool, so I guess there's that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on April 17, 2021, 08:26:08 AM
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the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up

just look up “compact skate tool”, I got one from with some radeckal branding for $13 shipped. TOA offered one for a little while too. the whole thing is metal so a file is redundant, only thing your missing is the rethreader.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 17, 2021, 09:07:37 AM
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the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up
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just look up “compact skate tool”, I got one from with some radeckal branding for $13 shipped. TOA offered one for a little while too. the whole thing is metal so a file is redundant, only thing your missing is the rethreader.


Ahh! That TOA one was the one I had that was like, falling apart. The tools wouldnt keep together. Hoping the Ace one is better quality.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DropInDropOut on April 17, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
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I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.

This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.

No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.

Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.



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AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.

Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.
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Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.
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I like to have my wheels flush with the edge of the board, so the Classic 44s were never really quite what I wanted for width in truck, but they still work well for most people who wanted no wheel showing.

The new ones are more expensive, along with all the rest of the added features, but also sit right on 8.5, so depending on how much you have to spend and where you like the wheels to sit, I would say those two factors will be the deciding point for which truck you buy.

Personally I would be going for the AF1, but that is just me.

Yeah, pretty much - I guess if you’ve got the cash to splash then why not. But for me I can’t justify it, I’ve already got a pair of 22 i found for $60 AUD (= $46US) on a 7.75, extra washers and it’s flush. Am I going to upgrade to the AF1 22 for $130 AUD (=$100US) for extra weight? No, but maybe when these ones are done it’s an option.

Looking forward to feedback from Slap if new metal/“technology” is noticeably different or better or what people think.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 17, 2021, 09:49:30 AM
Just ordered a set from my local since I can’t make it in person. I’ll see how they are in a few days I guess.

So now I will have a setup with ventures and one with ace haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweetlou on April 17, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthulhu! on April 17, 2021, 11:12:48 AM
This is all very stressful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 17, 2021, 11:33:14 AM
All Rethread Everythang
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 17, 2021, 11:41:52 AM
This is all very stressful.

Yeah, I just ordered the 33's in gold. I'd rather have credit card debt than this lingering on my mind.

I still feel like I overpaid. $65 for standard trucks... ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 17, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

There it is. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 17, 2021, 11:56:31 AM
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

For real, thank you and Shalom!!!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on April 17, 2021, 11:58:59 AM
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 17, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
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This is all very stressful.
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Yeah, I just ordered the 33's in gold. I'd rather have credit card debt than this lingering on my mind.

I still feel like I overpaid. $65 for standard trucks... ::)
I felt sticker shock at first and then I remembered I bought the TI ventures and only used the hangar so it made me feel better while also making me feel worse somehow
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 17, 2021, 12:21:46 PM
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.


This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 17, 2021, 02:14:06 PM
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.

As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 17, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
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This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 17, 2021, 03:12:10 PM
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 17, 2021, 03:16:00 PM
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)

Thanks for the review man. Feeling more stoked to try mine when they show up next week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on April 17, 2021, 03:18:44 PM
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 17, 2021, 03:22:29 PM
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches

I thought about this too. The Shredz Shop guy did a video on ACE/AF1s today and said that the bent axle was a problem that has already been fixed in the classics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEf3asP0Mc
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 17, 2021, 03:31:52 PM
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches

I'd guess you'd have to determine how much bending is anecdotal, sorta "they're trucks, shit happens," events vs full-on habitual occurrence to call them defective. For every person (on here) that's said "mine bent" you have a few people that say they've never had an issue. In the modern era of skating Indy only really got their shit together with the ass-end of Stage 10's, with Stage 11's being pretty faultless from a construction point of view. So I'm willing to give Ace a bit of rope to figure them out, cause they do offer something unique.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 17, 2021, 03:53:56 PM
Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 17, 2021, 05:55:16 PM
Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 17, 2021, 06:03:59 PM
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Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
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(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)
Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 17, 2021, 06:20:06 PM
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Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
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(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)
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Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.
Haha I feel your pain man. The bushing break in process is silly but it's worth it when they finally come around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 17, 2021, 07:09:44 PM
Here to do my civic duty and report on these new Ace 55's. As others have said, these are definitely not Indy's even if it's supposedly true they extended the wheelbase. I didn't need to break out measuring tools, neither do you. You'll be alright. These turn like Ace's, which is why you skate them, or why you're curious to skate them and reading this. Because you wanna feel that fucking turn baby.

I'm heavier so Ace stocks give me pretty bad wheelbite at first until they firm up. The bushings look and feel identical to the ones that have been coming stock on the classics. Seems like they just swapped the washers for ones that don't make the bushings peel or pop out when you lean. The casting isn't that grainy soft feel like the AF1'S which is pretty clear to the naked eye. Much more shiny polished look and harder feel when you drag your fingernail across it. The grind felt slightly stickier.

Kingpins are goldish colored and look more "precision" machined. Axles look better machined l guess, too. Laser engraved to indicate the size...ok but who really fucking cares at the end of the day. Axle nuts are cool, blah blah blah. So overall, in terms of all the metal parts of this truck, the quality control has been stepped up...is it worth the hype?

Let's get on to these pivot cups. Or perhaps even the actual pivot cavity itself. Before I even rolled on these and left the trucks stock tightness, I could wiggle the pivot point of the hanger back and forth with significant space inside of the pivot cup. After skating for literally less than an hour, I noticed the tops of these pivot cups are like melting and it looks like a gunky layer of wax and it's attracted quite a few granules from the ground to stick to it. It's like 48⁰F here. Not hot.

Due to the play inside of the pivot cavity, it's creating a dead sound when my board rolls and pops. This is what frustrates me the most with Ace's, as I've had a lot of sets in my lifetime and there's been some that no matter what they sounded dead, and others that were proper and crisp sounding. Never had this issue with any other trucks out there, and I've skated em all.

Let's go back to that question....are these worth the hype?

No. 100% no.

I overpaid for a truck that's .12" wider than my 44's (which have been working fine), sound dead, have melting pivot cups, stickier grind and aesthetically look a little prettier (I love this V2 type hanger more than the ugly V3 "classics"). Is the aluminum and everything stronger? Sure, yeah. But I'm not naive enough to believe these are some INDESTRUCTIBLE trucks that are being marketed like GAME CHANGING quality and strength.

Some will say I'm being negative or whatever, but I'm just being real here, folks. Until another truck company can surpass Ace's geometry, I'll always ride em. But next time I'm gonna go skate I'll be putting my V2 44 classics on that are nice and grooved in and sound crisp. I'll either sell these or just keep them and see if I can find a pivot cup that will fit the fuckin hanger into it properly like these marketed 96a boutique hand poured ones should have done in the first place ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DropInDropOut on April 17, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
Ultimately, what i find fascinating is that Ace have gone completely off script from the current truck market norm. While other truck companies are making higher/lower trucks, inverted kingpin and heavier/lighter trucks (hollow, titanium etc), Ace have completely ignored all that and just made essentially the same truck with more premium materials. All Ace are some height, and all essentially the same weight (for size). Really interesting move.

But, now Ace comes in eleven different widths! Love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 18, 2021, 01:25:45 AM
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches
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I thought about this too. The Shredz Shop guy did a video on ACE/AF1s today and said that the bent axle was a problem that has already been fixed in the classics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEf3asP0Mc

He also said in the comments that the geometry between the Classics and AF1 remains unchanged so he is likely misinformed/out of touch on a delicate topic like this. Personally I only trust people on Slap.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 18, 2021, 02:16:50 AM
Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge

So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 18, 2021, 02:47:06 AM
Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge

So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?

The comments from Ace on their insta say the Classics are staying the same. Can't remember seeing any word on the lows, but I'd guess the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 18, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
[close]

the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
[close]


This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.

If you’ve spent any time around cyclists and their forums, you’d know that weight and measurement spreadsheets are sacrosanct. The weenies here would probably appreciate something similar.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 18, 2021, 07:35:18 AM
This thread no longer feels like a safe place.
I have some Af1 55s on the way. If they work out I'll get some 66s also.
All I'm looking for at this point is a harder grind and more durable truck with good bushings, pivot cups and that magic turn. Weight doesn't bother me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 18, 2021, 10:27:17 AM
Ace classics are so nice that they almost feel magical. I'll be really mad if they screw with the geometry or discontinue the line in favor of AF1s. The only thing that can be improved is the metal and the finish.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 18, 2021, 11:35:27 AM
I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 18, 2021, 11:45:00 AM
I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.

I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 18, 2021, 12:19:37 PM
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I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
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I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.

Interesting. I suppose there are likely multiple variables at play in how it feels and wares as you skate it, and personal preference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on April 18, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
My favorite thing is the compostable dog shit bag they come in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 18, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
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Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge

So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?
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The comments from Ace on their insta say the Classics are staying the same. Can't remember seeing any word on the lows, but I'd guess the same.

Thanks mate..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 18, 2021, 06:22:42 PM
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
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This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.
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If you’ve spent any time around cyclists and their forums, you’d know that weight and measurement spreadsheets are sacrosanct. The weenies here would probably appreciate something similar.

Indeed.  I haven't ridden it in awhile but my bike weighs 15 pounds without the fender and lights.

But to put us back on the topic of ace being decades behind in their most "technical" of trucks.  It just seems like with all of the 3d modelling and rapid prototyping technologies abundantly available these days it wouldn't be difficult to create a hanger mold with a scooped out properly gusseted (stronger) design (which is the modern standard) around a hollow axle (stronger) while maintaining that treasured geometry.  Throw a hollow kingpin in there and the truck conversation becomes about the big 4 not "and aces are pretty awesome too".  Trucks that cinch the wheelbase create an easy pop so weight is not an issue in that regard but just adding material with each new iteration isn't really a technical advancement.

I have much love for ace.  The V2 44s on mag plates were some all time favorites, but I'm always wary of folks who want to throw some gimmicky trinkets and hype at you in lieu of an actually better product.  That said the baseplates look great, and the new metal seems like an upgrade as well.  And they're still the prettiest!

Anyway trucks are trucks.  Stick to the big 3 and Ace and you can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 19, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
 Set up Af1 55s today and skated for two hours, mostly flat and a curb with metal edge. At first I was frightened how quickly these turned, like much quicker and easier than my classic 44/55s., even got wheelbites at first. I always leave my trucks stock tightness. About an hour in and I felt like home, I had full control over these and felt super good. Pop was feeling nice, very surfy and easy ride, no more wheelbite and with 54mm wheels I felt safe, they grind pretty good too. Now I really want to try grind these on concrete curbs as well. So far I'm super stoked, might even like these more than the classics but definitely need to skate these more until my final verdict.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 11:39:23 AM
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I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
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I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.

Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.

Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 19, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
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I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
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I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
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Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.

Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.

The shape of the Venture hanger definitely feels harder on concrete when you're getting used to it.  Indy's have always felt the best to me for grinding concrete.  The shape of the hanger distributes your weight differently, more surface area...

I just set up some AF1 55's...  And, of course it's raining.  I did stand up on the board and compared them to my v2 44's.  MUCH, much looser feeling.  Can't wait to get out for a cruise and chip away at breaking them in, and curious to see the metal feel on grinds.  If the weather clears up, I should have some intel in the next few days.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on April 19, 2021, 12:15:54 PM
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I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
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I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
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Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.

Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.
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The shape of the Venture hanger definitely feels harder on concrete when you're getting used to it.  Indy's have always felt the best to me for grinding concrete.  The shape of the hanger distributes your weight differently, more surface area...

I just set up some AF1 55's...  And, of course it's raining.  I did stand up on the board and compared them to my v2 44's.  MUCH, much looser feeling.  Can't wait to get out for a cruise and chip away at breaking them in, and curious to see the metal feel on grinds.  If the weather clears up, I should have some intel in the next few days.

I’ve had a completely different experience. My slappies have gotten way longer since riding aces and ventures. I got way more hung up on indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 12:30:42 PM
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I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
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I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
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Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.

Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.
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The shape of the Venture hanger definitely feels harder on concrete when you're getting used to it.  Indy's have always felt the best to me for grinding concrete.  The shape of the hanger distributes your weight differently, more surface area...

I just set up some AF1 55's...  And, of course it's raining.  I did stand up on the board and compared them to my v2 44's.  MUCH, much looser feeling.  Can't wait to get out for a cruise and chip away at breaking them in, and curious to see the metal feel on grinds.  If the weather clears up, I should have some intel in the next few days.
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I’ve had a completely different experience. My slappies have gotten way longer since riding aces and ventures. I got way more hung up on indys

Hanger shape has a lot to do with it for me. With indy I grind a lot more of the yoke than I do on any other truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: EvenStevieNicks on April 19, 2021, 12:38:38 PM
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)

Your setup is rad. I'm trying the 77s too.. just ordered them after riding Indys since the early 2000s to try something different!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 19, 2021, 04:39:55 PM
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Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)
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Your setup is rad. I'm trying the 77s too.. just ordered them after riding Indys since the early 2000s to try something different!

Thanks. Feeling guilty about not running my 55 classics but I am really enjoying these a lot. Going to see how they perform on some crustier curbs tomorrow.

The extra space feels nice though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: southphillytapwater on April 19, 2021, 06:01:13 PM
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I picked up some AF1 55s and a new board over the weekend and took a comparison photo since no one's posted one yet. Board on the left is AF1 55s on an 8.25 and on the right is classic 44s on an 8.5, both have a 14.25" wheelbase. I measured the classic 44s to be 17.25" axel to axel and the AF1 55s to be 17 9/16". So the longer wheelbase is definitely confirmed.

I pushed around the block a few times so I don't have a full review but these are some of my initial thoughts. They felt looser than I expected while standing on the board stationary at stock tightness. I stood on my friends board last week who had fresh 44 classics and they felt super tight. I skate without the top washer with the bolt flush with the kingpin and I have the same little bit of wobble as I had with my classics. Standing stationary it felt like I would hit wheelbite easier than on the classics, but I didn't notice any significant difference in wheelbite while cruising.

They felt really good pushing around. The turn is definitely there. They feel like Aces for sure. One thing I noticed is that they feel like they have a flat center while going straight. With the classics, it always felt like you were carving on an edge. Like you were always leaning frontside or backside, never just straight. I think this will definitely feel better to set up for ledge or flip tricks while skating street.

The longer wheelbase was noticeable, but it didn't seem to affect the turn too much. They feel very stable and less squirly. The pop did feel a little different but I can't say yet if it's better or worse. I only ollied over a few manhole covers and up a couple curbs. I did a few kickflips too and they felt good, except for the fresh grip.

I'm excited to actually skate these. I don't think anyone should be worried not liking them. I've been skating Aces since 2013ish and don't plan on skating anything else anytime soon.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 19, 2021, 07:29:38 PM
Any one notice if the new AF1s pinch better then the classics?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 19, 2021, 07:44:11 PM
Has anyone else experience “melting” issues with the pivot cup? I saw someone post about it earlier this week. That’s honestly what intrigued me most about the new update, other than the sizing. I was hoping the cups would be similar to riptides as they are hand poured and same duro

I’m thinking about picking up a set of 55’s. Any other gripes or faults are appreciated as well
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 19, 2021, 08:29:18 PM
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I picked up some AF1 55s and a new board over the weekend and took a comparison photo since no one's posted one yet. Board on the left is AF1 55s on an 8.25 and on the right is classic 44s on an 8.5, both have a 14.25" wheelbase. I measured the classic 44s to be 17.25" axel to axel and the AF1 55s to be 17 9/16". So the longer wheelbase is definitely confirmed.

I pushed around the block a few times so I don't have a full review but these are some of my initial thoughts. They felt looser than I expected while standing on the board stationary at stock tightness. I stood on my friends board last week who had fresh 44 classics and they felt super tight. I skate without the top washer with the bolt flush with the kingpin and I have the same little bit of wobble as I had with my classics. Standing stationary it felt like I would hit wheelbite easier than on the classics, but I didn't notice any significant difference in wheelbite while cruising.

They felt really good pushing around. The turn is definitely there. They feel like Aces for sure. One thing I noticed is that they feel like they have a flat center while going straight. With the classics, it always felt like you were carving on an edge. Like you were always leaning frontside or backside, never just straight. I think this will definitely feel better to set up for ledge or flip tricks while skating street.

The longer wheelbase was noticeable, but it didn't seem to affect the turn too much. They feel very stable and less squirly. The pop did feel a little different but I can't say yet if it's better or worse. I only ollied over a few manhole covers and up a couple curbs. I did a few kickflips too and they felt good, except for the fresh grip.

I'm excited to actually skate these. I don't think anyone should be worried not liking them. I've been skating Aces since 2013ish and don't plan on skating anything else anytime soon.

Out here doing god's work. Shalom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on April 19, 2021, 11:28:42 PM
I'm actually keen on the slightly longer wheelbase if the turn is the same, will stop me swerving so hard I eat shit on the Hockey 14.12 wheelbase lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 20, 2021, 12:35:34 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 20, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.

Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smg1138 on April 20, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
I'm really interested in trying out the AF1's. Only thing is I'm sure the stock bushings will be too soft for me. In Indys I usually replace the stock bushings with the hard black Indy aftermarket bushings. Are there any harder bushings that will actually work in the Ace's without screwing up the geometry?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 20, 2021, 10:24:50 AM
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Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.
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Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.

This is the way.

I wanted 53mm Lock-in's, but no dice. Got me some classics in 54mm and can't wait until they are down to 52mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 20, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
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Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.
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Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.

I'll give them a go. I'll be looking at some Conicals or Radials on the side as well :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 20, 2021, 10:50:21 AM
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Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.
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Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.
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This is the way.

I wanted 53mm Lock-in's, but no dice. Got me some classics in 54mm and can't wait until they are down to 52mm.

Just remember to rotate your wheels regularly to avoid uneven wear  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 20, 2021, 11:24:21 AM
So, I just went out for a cruise with the gf.  First session on the AF1 55's.  Honestly wasn't much of a session, but we skated about 4 miles and I wanted to give the bushings time to break in...

I can't remember who posted it, but the comment about the center, or first 1/3 of the turn feels really stable.  The second you lean into your turn, it's like a scalpel.  Such satisfying feeling.  They make my old 44's feel like a Stage 10 in comparison. The bushings feel really good out of the gate.  I wasn't getting stuck on one side, like I have sometimes with other companies stock bushings.

Least stressful new truck experience I've ever had.  Are they worth it?  I won't know until I get out with my buddy later and skate some painted curbs and flat ground.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 20, 2021, 11:26:51 AM
The new turn some of you are describing sounds ideal. #jahbless
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 20, 2021, 12:00:27 PM
Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.

Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.

Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 20, 2021, 12:33:49 PM
Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.

Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.

Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.

How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different?  Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 20, 2021, 12:46:22 PM
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Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.

Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.

Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.
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How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different?  Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting

If I were you, I'd run your 44's into the ground beforehand.  Loving mine so far, but at 37 it takes me considerably longer to kill trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 20, 2021, 12:49:26 PM
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Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.

Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.

Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.
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How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different?  Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting
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If I were you, I'd run your 44's into the ground beforehand.  Loving mine so far, but at 37 it takes me considerably longer to kill trucks.

I feel you. I’m gonna be 36 in June and I don’t even have deep groves in my 44s yet ha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 20, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
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Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.

Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.

Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.
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How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different?  Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting

I want to be like, "The pinch is much better!!" but since I am riding 77s instead of my usual classic 55s I can't tell if it is the the redesign or just the longer hanger. I do a lot of slappy crooks and today they felt really good.

Pop feels similar, not really noticing the WB difference. I'm pretty tall so I feel like a little WB extension doesn't bother as much as others.

I too would recommend killing the 44 classics first. I like these a lot and am in a honeymoon phase, but I do still love the 55s and plan to finish mine off. Still such good trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 20, 2021, 03:30:29 PM
@FrozenIndustries not noticing a material upgrade? Just bushings pretty much. And the higher hanger by sizing up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 20, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
@FrozenIndustries not noticing a material upgrade? Just bushings pretty much. And the higher hanger by sizing up

I wouldn't say that, I just don't want to be overzealous during the honeymoon. The casting is much nicer, so are the pivot cups. Bushings feel like the same Ace goodness. Axles and pins look to be different but I never had issues with bending to begin with. No bushings popping out, though the washers look the same to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 20, 2021, 07:04:48 PM
Looks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 20, 2021, 07:57:32 PM
Not to derail the convo here, but my local just got Film trucks in and I'm in need of new trucks - not sure if I should stick to 44 classics (been on these for the last 8 months and love em), give the AF1s a try, or take a run at Films... I'm not massively opposed to trying new things, but just wondered if any serious Ace lovers here have rode Films and have a decent comparison.

I know im a bit late to the party here but I've got 3 pairs of ace 44 (classic, I guess I have to specify that now), a pair of 03, and I've been riding films on and off pretty much since the first batch hit the states a year or so ago so I'll give you my perception. The Film standard actually has a slightly tighter wheelbase than the hollows (which is weird because visually they look identical, but I've measured it multiple times) and is the most common version here so I'm using those and Ace 44 for my comparison here.

Height: Close. I can't remember what films are off-hand but I think its 53mm or 53.5mm. I'd definitely classify both as a "mid" truck and thus they both have a fairly snappy pop. I don't have ghost pop issues with either of these trucks, even on steeper tails like BBS or Pennswood. Tail hits the ground when I expect it to and I don't have an extensive timing adjustment period if I switch between them or something like a forged thunder or venture hollow.

Weight: Films are definitely lighter. I'll have to check my "truck weight station" folder and see what exactly they were but I'm almost positive they were right around 360g because I remember being somewhat deflated when the hollows were only 5g lighter. They're still a solid cast truck so they don't have that weird "tinny" sound that you sometimes get with like venture hollows. Ace are heavy. That is all the input I have on them.

Bushings: I'll call this a tie. Ace bushings are great and on straight urethane quality they might slightly edge Film, but Film has a trick up its sleeve - interlocking bushings. The film bushings have a little nipple that extends into the hangar and keeps everything snug and where it's supposed to be which makes them amazing in their own right. Super responsive, almost zero "dead zone", and the stock bushings are also very good quality urethane. There is a caveat however, as I've mentioned before the harder film bushings lock up in cold weather worse than any other bushing I've ever skated. Below 35 degrees you might as well have concrete around your kingpin.

Turn: The big one. Might be controversial but I'm going to give this to film, at least in warm weather. Turn is fairly subjective so what I like might not be what you like and vice versa but there's definitely at least some overlap between the two. I'd class both as very "turny" trucks, with tight wheelbases and enough height to give you a tight turning radius. On straight radius the aces might be slightly better, but not by much and what (again) sets the films apart are the bushings. Aces at stock tightness have a disconcerting tendency to wobble a bit at high speeds while films are perfectly stable until you want them to turn. When you do decide to turn, the response is instant and linear. 

In closing, the one area that keeps me from skating films more than I do might be entirely in my head - the pop. For some reason I feel like they rob me of some of my pop even though I have zero objective reason to. There's nothing I've tried on other trucks that I can't do on films or anything like that, it's entirely "feel". For that reason, I'd probably have to pick aces if you put a gun to my head but they're both excellent trucks and I don't think you'll be disappointed if you decide to go the Film route. Just be careful, you might start craving red wine and developing a smug superiority complex... and we all know those are two things that aren't at all common in skateboarding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 20, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
I really like the idea of trying Films. Mostly because I am a Francophile and I love JD and his skating.

Anyway, I got my 66s today. I had ordered them from SoCal, but didnt realize that theyre only about 15 minutes away. They would have shipped today (I ordered Friday morning) but I went down and picked them up.

I skated my mini ramp mostly tonight and a little cruising around the hood and I cranked them down about a turn and a half. I am a big dude and that would definitely be tight for others, but perfect for me for carving etc.

They felt great. They felt like Aces. They turn fine. Extra WB doesnt feel like it's affected my turning (and I like boards with a 14.5-14.75 despite being 6'3", so this might be helping). Grinds are fine. idk man, I like them. Im hyped. Im a fanboy. Whatever. I now have two setups going though, an 8.875 magenta with classic 55s and my 9.125 Transportation Unit with the AF1 66s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on April 21, 2021, 02:49:24 AM
I'm dedicated to Ace but I will, without a doubt, buy some Film when I move to Lyon in the near future and I will put my money directly into the hands of Jeremie Daclin at Wallstreet.

The Cliche team stayed at my apartment about 15 years ago and they gave me a ton of free product so I feel it's only fair.

I'm not sure if I'll try the AF1 yet because I actually like the width of classic 44s on 8.5 decks but I might try some for shits and giggles eventually anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 21, 2021, 03:19:15 AM
I managed to convince my girlfriend to gift me a cruiser for my birthday, so I ordered some AF1's 77 for a 10" board. I was a bit bummed there's no hollow/forged versions for my regular board, but I guess weight doesn't really matter for cruising around anyway so I decided to try them out. First big board I'm setting up so I'm excited!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 21, 2021, 05:35:32 AM
Looks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)

Maybe just a generic truck image the artist chose for the graphic? I wouldn't even speculate on the topic of GT leaving Indy, but that would rock the scales hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 21, 2021, 06:00:22 AM
@Buttfart Rapedick  you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 21, 2021, 06:53:43 AM
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Looks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)
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Maybe just a generic truck image the artist chose for the graphic? I wouldn't even speculate on the topic of GT leaving Indy, but that would rock the scales hard.
Maybe it is but I tend to think Thunder has more of a “generic” truck look to it especially more so than Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 21, 2021, 08:05:02 AM
What’s the weight on the new Ace? So the wheelbase is now comparable to Indy? Really curious to try them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 21, 2021, 08:26:48 AM
@Buttfart Rapedick  you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.
wheel bite is pretty much non existent on films, still not sure if I like the turn better than aces (at least at stick tightness) but they certainly are a quality truck!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 21, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
@Buttfart Rapedick  you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.

I would say it depends on how big your wheels are. The stock bushings are maybe a bit softer (I'd say 88-90a) than ace but I usually skate the Film hard (guessing around 94-96a) bushings - shoutout to Jeremie Daclin for mailing me a set from France - with 53mm tablets which makes wheelbite pretty much a nonfactor. I did recently set up my Film hollows on an 8.25 WKND with 55mm OG classics (basically a conical full with classic formula) which are a pretty big wheel. I haven't had any issues there but I've only skated it twice and I ride my trucks pretty tight so your mileage may vary if you're into looseys and/or monster truck setups.

I just realized I left one thing out - the grind. Films have a really nice grind on concrete. I've never actually tried them on anything but curbs but the standards have a fast grind that requires very little wax. I'm not sure if that means its harder or softer than other trucks, but its noticeable enough that I usually get caught off guard the first time I hit my little curb. It's not quite as smooth and buttery feeling as ace, but definitely feels faster. I know JD and a lot of the film team guys are big into curbs and slappys so I'm guessing concrete grinding was something they focused on when they were designing and developing them.

One of the other things I like about Film is the unique colored plates and hardware for pro models and collabs. They don't always make the entire truck one color ala silver/ace/thunder etc and often just add a little flair to make them stand out. They recently released an FTC one that I really like and have been considering picking up even though I already have far too many trucks.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0183/2011/products/filmtruck2_1024x1024.jpg)


Oh yeah, does anyone have an actual weight (in grams) for the AF1 44? I skimmed through the last few pages and didn't see it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 21, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
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@Buttfart Rapedick  you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.
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I would say it depends on how big your wheels are. The stock bushings are maybe a bit softer (I'd say 88-90a) than ace but I usually skate the Film hard (guessing around 94-96a) bushings - shoutout to Jeremie Daclin for mailing me a set from France - with 53mm tablets which makes wheelbite pretty much a nonfactor. I did recently set up my Film hollows on an 8.25 WKND with 55mm OG classics (basically a conical full with classic formula) which are a pretty big wheel. I haven't had any issues there but I've only skated it twice and I ride my trucks pretty tight so your mileage may vary if you're into looseys and/or monster truck setups.

I just realized I left one thing out - the grind. Films have a really nice grind on concrete. I've never actually tried them on anything but curbs but the standards have a fast grind that requires very little wax. I'm not sure if that means its harder or softer than other trucks, but its noticeable enough that I usually get caught off guard the first time I hit my little curb. It's not quite as smooth and buttery feeling as ace, but definitely feels faster. I know JD and a lot of the film team guys are big into curbs and slappys so I'm guessing concrete grinding was something they focused on when they were designing and developing them.

One of the other things I like about Film is the unique colored plates and hardware for pro models and collabs. They don't always make the entire truck one color ala silver/ace/thunder etc and often just add a little flair to make them stand out. They recently released an FTC one that I really like and have been considering picking up even though I already have far too many trucks.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0183/2011/products/filmtruck2_1024x1024.jpg)


Oh yeah, does anyone have an actual weight (in grams) for the AF1 44? I skimmed through the last few pages and didn't see it.

https://www.bonkers-shop.com/product/skateboarding/trucks/ace-trucks-af1-44-truck-polished/

"392 grams"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 11:14:06 AM
I couldn't resist....55 AF1s on the way!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on April 21, 2021, 11:17:26 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CWRQr21/IMG-1767.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHnDpR6)

(https://i.ibb.co/TRssnFH/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFLLdYc)

Went for the Grosso mod on some AF1 66's. Used some stainless steel old stock Gullwing kingpins I had found on eBay.

The stock nut spun in the baseplate recess, but the sharper thin titanium nuts I had stocked up on actually seated themselves without spinning... bit into the recess a little. So rather than plopping a ton of JB weld in there, I just dripped some superglue into it. They can tighten and loosen without any spinning at all. Will report back on how this holds up after skating them!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stebe on April 21, 2021, 11:25:45 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CWRQr21/IMG-1767.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHnDpR6)

(https://i.ibb.co/TRssnFH/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFLLdYc)

Went for the Grosso mod on some AF1 66's. Used some stainless steel old stock Gullwing kingpins I had found on eBay.

The stock nut spun in the baseplate recess, but the sharper thin titanium nuts I had stocked up on actually seated themselves without spinning... bit into the recess a little. So rather than plopping a ton of JB weld in there, I just dripped some superglue into it. They can tighten and loosen without any spinning at all. Will report back on how this holds up after skating them!

respect to surely being the first to do this
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 21, 2021, 11:28:51 AM
@stets looks very sick. How hard was it to get the stock KP out on the AF1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on April 21, 2021, 11:31:59 AM
@stets looks very sick. How hard was it to get the stock KP out on the AF1s?

It was pretty difficult compared to the Thunder and Indy kingpins I've hammered out. Had to use the heaviest hammer I own and probably twice the number of strikes. Ace seems to have better (or at least denser) aluminum in the baseplate. But that's good because the hole didn't oval out while hammering them out, which means less wobble on the inverted kingpin setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 21, 2021, 11:36:12 AM
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@stets looks very sick. How hard was it to get the stock KP out on the AF1s?
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It was pretty difficult compared to the Thunder and Indy kingpins I've hammered out. Had to use the heaviest hammer I own and probably twice the number of strikes. Ace seems to have better (or at least denser) aluminum in the baseplate. But that's good because the hole didn't oval out while hammering them out, which means less wobble on the inverted kingpin setup.

Thanks, much appreciated. Not any time soon, but I want to try this on my next set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 21, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
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Looks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)
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Maybe just a generic truck image the artist chose for the graphic? I wouldn't even speculate on the topic of GT leaving Indy, but that would rock the scales hard.

GT suits Ace way better than Indy - just saying...

Would be sick if he does leave Indy for Ace!

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@Buttfart Rapedick  you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.
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wheel bite is pretty much non existent on films, still not sure if I like the turn better than aces (at least at stick tightness) but they certainly are a quality truck!

Don't bother with film trucks - they feel cheap af and turn like shit!

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(https://i.ibb.co/CWRQr21/IMG-1767.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHnDpR6)

(https://i.ibb.co/TRssnFH/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFLLdYc)

Went for the Grosso mod on some AF1 66's. Used some stainless steel old stock Gullwing kingpins I had found on eBay.

The stock nut spun in the baseplate recess, but the sharper thin titanium nuts I had stocked up on actually seated themselves without spinning... bit into the recess a little. So rather than plopping a ton of JB weld in there, I just dripped some superglue into it. They can tighten and loosen without any spinning at all. Will report back on how this holds up after skating them!
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respect to surely being the first to do this

Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on April 21, 2021, 12:13:47 PM

Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.

In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.
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In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!

Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 21, 2021, 02:38:13 PM
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.
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In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!
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Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.

I don't know how anyone gets this to hold. Unless you have access to top secret aerospace glues, JB Weld is basically the only thing you're going to find on the shelf that will hold that in place IME
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on April 21, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
Ended up getting Film trucks because (weirdly) the skateshop I ended up at had them, but not the new Aces and I wasn't feeling particularly picky. Got the Rollersurfer pro model because they felt like almost the same weight as the hollows.

Didn't see any of the Buttfart Rapedick posts till after buying and skating them, but would say I agree with basically all of his assessments aside from that I didn't notice a difference in my pop at all, but this may be more because I went from riding my Ace 44's on a deck that has been on it's last legs for at least the last three or four sessions I'd skated before switching and when I got the Films I threw them on a brand new deck.

Whoever said Films are cheap is absolutely wrong. If anything skating them makes me feel like the Ace classics are kind of cheap, or at the very least feel flimsy.

It may be psychosomatic but the Films have a nice sturdy feeling to them and they grind really, really well. To me they feel like an older stage Indy in heartiness but with a crazy good and fun turn like Aces.

Honestly I feel like the turn really is better, or at least better for me, than the Aces. If it gives you any idea of the turn I'll say this - I tend to do quick little surfy snap carves while skating and like doing pinpoint turns to hit obstacles in weird lines and the Films seem to have a really snappy, pinpoint, tight turn that lends itself really well to this. First session out I hit up this little diy park (7th street in delaware if you know) and was hitting two backside grinds on a really long 3ft high quarter by doing quick carves as soon as I would get to the flat in kind of a surf-style. Always wanted to do this trick and have never been able to before with any other setup.

As far as the pinch goes on Films I won't say they're specifically better than Ace per se, but that they just feel slightly different. I never really got good crooks on Aces really, and always felt like the pinch would happen, but felt more like an effort of pure will-power and precise posture, the Films are somewhat like this but IMO feel a little easier to stand up in. This might just be my personal experience or that my two sessions with them I was particularly on or something though.

Wish there was a way that I knew of to cross post this info to the "Less popular brands" truck thread, but I feel like probably if you're interested in info on Films then you probably lurk the Ace thread anyway since they're the most common comparison.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 21, 2021, 03:29:38 PM
^ quote your post, copy and then paste into the new thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 21, 2021, 03:49:10 PM
Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap.  He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with). 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 04:29:47 PM
Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap.  He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with). 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M

"I was notified that I read my tape measure wrong (thank you Anthony De Rosa), and listed the height as 2.18" instead of the correct 2.125" measurement.

"From bottom of baseplate to middle of axle, the height would be 53.975mm instead of the 55.372mm I measured (a difference of 1.397mm). Albeit a tape measure is not the most accurate tool to use when doing a measurement such as this."

"Height would be 53.975mm instead of the 55.372mm I measured, a difference of 1.397mm."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on April 21, 2021, 05:14:51 PM
I only liked the AF1's at first when I had them on an 8.38 AH eagle (14.5 wb)

Then I swapped to an 8.5 AH eagle (14.25 wb) and I fucking love the AF1's now. Feels so perfect. Which is kinda funny for me considering the Classics feel way too cramped on 14.25's. I like this extended wheelbase on the AF1's, others might not.

(Ace 55's btw)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 21, 2021, 05:16:39 PM
If any of the people who are geeking out about board, truck and wheels measurement don't at least have a pair of $15 digital calipers from Harbor Freight, you're hopeless.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 21, 2021, 06:12:30 PM
If any of the people who are geeking out about board, truck and wheels measurement don't at least have a pair of $15 digital calipers from Harbor Freight, you're hopeless.

Can get them even cheaper on Amazon. Also one of those little scales that every college kid that buys weed has in their sock drawer. And a good tape measure.

If you don't take these 3 items, along with a reference deck to check tail/nose steepness, with you to the skate shop every time you go then you're a fucking amateur.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 21, 2021, 06:19:23 PM
Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap.  He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with). 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M

Lol awkward when he sees this. Dudes a frequent poster in shoes and gear
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 21, 2021, 06:59:26 PM
BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2

Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 07:05:40 PM
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BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
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Thank you!

Note that's for the raws!

Also, "Only 7 Currently In Stock" makes you wonder why they've got an odd number..someone buy 1 or 3?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 21, 2021, 07:15:20 PM
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BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
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Thank you!
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Note that's for the raws!

Also, "Only 7 Currently In Stock" makes you wonder why they've got an odd number..someone buy 1 or 3?

Raws meaning polished? Got me worried now, I just ordered a set. The black and gold are only $2~ more btw. My order came to $46 with shipping for the 55’s

And that is probably the quantity of sets, not individual trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 21, 2021, 07:24:22 PM
BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2

Sick.  Thanks! 

Just got a pair of 33s in the mail (downsized to an 8.1), but got a pair of 44s in case the 33s are too small.  Just hit axle on my 44 classics, so great timing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 21, 2021, 07:31:56 PM
Ended up getting Film trucks because (weirdly) the skateshop I ended up at had them, but not the new Aces and I wasn't feeling particularly picky. Got the Rollersurfer pro model because they felt like almost the same weight as the hollows.

Didn't see any of the Buttfart Rapedick posts till after buying and skating them, but would say I agree with basically all of his assessments aside from that I didn't notice a difference in my pop at all, but this may be more because I went from riding my Ace 44's on a deck that has been on it's last legs for at least the last three or four sessions I'd skated before switching and when I got the Films I threw them on a brand new deck.

Whoever said Films are cheap is absolutely wrong. If anything skating them makes me feel like the Ace classics are kind of cheap, or at the very least feel flimsy.

It may be psychosomatic but the Films have a nice sturdy feeling to them and they grind really, really well. To me they feel like an older stage Indy in heartiness but with a crazy good and fun turn like Aces.

Honestly I feel like the turn really is better, or at least better for me, than the Aces. If it gives you any idea of the turn I'll say this - I tend to do quick little surfy snap carves while skating and like doing pinpoint turns to hit obstacles in weird lines and the Films seem to have a really snappy, pinpoint, tight turn that lends itself really well to this. First session out I hit up this little diy park (7th street in delaware if you know) and was hitting two backside grinds on a really long 3ft high quarter by doing quick carves as soon as I would get to the flat in kind of a surf-style. Always wanted to do this trick and have never been able to before with any other setup.

As far as the pinch goes on Films I won't say they're specifically better than Ace per se, but that they just feel slightly different. I never really got good crooks on Aces really, and always felt like the pinch would happen, but felt more like an effort of pure will-power and precise posture, the Films are somewhat like this but IMO feel a little easier to stand up in. This might just be my personal experience or that my two sessions with them I was particularly on or something though.

Wish there was a way that I knew of to cross post this info to the "Less popular brands" truck thread, but I feel like probably if you're interested in info on Films then you probably lurk the Ace thread anyway since they're the most common comparison.

Yeah I wasn't really intending to derail the discussion so I'll end it on this one but I kind of think of the film turn as a weird hybrid of thunder and ace. It's got that tight turning radius but isn't quite as surfy and has a really snappy response. I'm not sure how much of it is geometry and how much is the bushings, but it's at least somewhat in the design because I've tried the bushings in other trucks, and I've tried other trucks with interlocking bushings (tensor ATG), and I've tried the bushings in other trucks that use interlocking bushings (film bushings in Tensor ATG) but none of them truly replicate it. Its one of those trucks you just constantly want to do little S turns and carves on because its so rewarding. If I ever get over my psychological block about the pop I might even consider making them my daily driver.

Honestly the closest thing I can think of geometry-wise is maybe Theeve TI-Hanger but thats a whole other can of madness worms. And now I'm going to have to go put film bushings in my TI-Hangers and see what thats like. Fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 21, 2021, 07:51:12 PM
I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? &#129300;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 08:24:13 PM
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BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
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Thank you!
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Note that's for the raws!

Also, "Only 7 Currently In Stock" makes you wonder why they've got an odd number..someone buy 1 or 3?
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Raws meaning polished? Got me worried now, I just ordered a set. The black and gold are only $2~ more btw. My order came to $46 with shipping for the 55’s

And that is probably the quantity of sets, not individual trucks

I always refer to 'silver' as Raw, but yeah polished! And DERP, 7 sets not individual trucks...my brain is fried today (probably the slam I took).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 21, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
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Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap.  He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with). 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M
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Lol awkward when he sees this. Dudes a frequent poster in shoes and gear

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 21, 2021, 10:59:36 PM
I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? &#38;#129300;

At 53.5 high and a +2.875 wheelbase, they should have the geometry to turn like Aces. Then we have the bushings, you mentioned you threw in softs. Maybe they are not broken in yet? Ace bushings are also quite stiff out of the box. I hope the "nipple" bushing style doesn't steal some turn. Another thing someone mentioned is that Film bushings freeze up something serious in cold weather. Are you perhaps skating in the cold? The reason why I'm eyeing a pair is because they seem like a well thought out and designed product. I like the design and I'm certain the quality is good as well. If they turn like Tensors for whatever reason, well, that would be a giant disappointment of course.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 21, 2021, 11:05:39 PM
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.
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In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!
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Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.
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I don't know how anyone gets this to hold. Unless you have access to top secret aerospace glues, JB Weld is basically the only thing you're going to find on the shelf that will hold that in place IME

This video might help some of you struggling with it. You have to use a good epoxy - super glue isn't ever gonna cut it (ever!) and it doesn't work well with steel/metal anyway.

https://youtu.be/HGAmiSzPsc4

Apart from money, I still can't figure out why no truck companies have made a standard truck with a kingpin that sits much lower or come up with an alternative whereby the nut isn't under the baseplate.

 

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 22, 2021, 06:51:57 AM
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I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? &#38;#38;#129300;
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At 53.5 high and a +2.875 wheelbase, they should have the geometry to turn like Aces. Then we have the bushings, you mentioned you threw in softs. Maybe they are not broken in yet? Ace bushings are also quite stiff out of the box. I hope the "nipple" bushing style doesn't steal some turn. Another thing someone mentioned is that Film bushings freeze up something serious in cold weather. Are you perhaps skating in the cold? The reason why I'm eyeing a pair is because they seem like a well thought out and designed product. I like the design and I'm certain the quality is good as well. If they turn like Tensors for whatever reason, well, that would be a giant disappointment of course.

There’s much more to the geometry than wheelbase and height though.

I skated the Films indoors once and then outdoors in the cold. Indoors they were better but still not exactly very turny. Outdoors they were dog shit and it was indeed cold. The Ace AF1s turn like crazy straight away as did the more recent Ace classics for me at least. Could be that the bushings on the Films need to be broken in and that they don’t work in the cold or that the trucks could be awesome with some other bushings.

I just came to the realization that I really have no idea why I bought them. I’m happy with stock Aces so I can’t be bothered trying to make other trucks work by fiddling with them who knows how much. I already tried that with Ventures cuz I love the pop on them but I was never satisfied with the turn.

I’ll stick to Aces unless something better comes along. I just can’t be buying all brands and trying all sorts of things to make them work when Aces work so well for me without any fiddling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 22, 2021, 06:54:15 AM
film bushings take a LONG time to break in, you probably even need to loosen them off a bit after the fact and yes, they suck in the cold. I still maintain they are a quality truck though but if I want straight up no fuss, I'll stick with classic ACE 44s...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 22, 2021, 08:58:34 AM
I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore.  I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics.  Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 22, 2021, 09:03:08 AM
I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore.  I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics.  Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?
44s. You can push the wheels out a few mm with 44s but you can't really cut off the axles of 55s. Plus, 44s are lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 22, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
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I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore.  I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics.  Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?
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44s. You can push the wheels out a few mm with 44s but you can't really cut off the axles of 55s. Plus, 44s are lighter.

Thanks, I forgot you can throw a couple extra speed rings on the inside of the wheels to get 1/8" wider on the track, so I guess that's my move. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 22, 2021, 10:13:47 AM
can anyone that has AF1's actually confirm the wheelbase vs old Ace and Indy by taking a 2 sided measurement and averaging it? I've seen they're the same and also that they're shorter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 22, 2021, 11:31:18 AM
Pulled the trigger on some af1 55s because I couldnt resist the 8.5 axle, coming from a rotation of 44 classic and 55 classics im very glad that theres now a happy medium. Had one park session and one flat session on them so far and the bushings + pivot cups feel amazing and soft right away without any annoying squeaking but I find the turn to be much more sluggish than the classics although they come super loose stock compared to the classics. New height feels good though, gives them a bit more of a heftier pop feel which im a fan of for most of my fliptricks. Also this might be just me but heelflips have been working astonishingly on these so I guess thats a personal plus.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2021, 11:42:41 AM
I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore.  I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics.  Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?

I usually skate 8.25 / 8.3 but have been recenlty on 8.6+ and Indy 159s, I'm liking the grind room but the heft is killing me so I'm dropping back down to 8.3 / 8.5 decks and moved to the 55 AF1; I would have picked up the AF1 that should have come in the classic 44 sizing... =(

That said, the minute NHS drops the 159ti Mid, I'm jumping ship.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 22, 2021, 03:50:20 PM
Skated my AF1 66s in a park today and they were just fantastic. I havent skated a park in awhile and it was on fresh wheels and trucks so I took it a little gingerly but they felt fantastic. Turning was great and as one person pointed out, thank FUCK they do not make squeaking noises. Tightened a turn and a half, at my weight, was totally fine for surfing around. Just wish I hadnt gotten a hipper thanks to the crack at the bottom of one of the quarterpipes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 22, 2021, 04:38:34 PM
I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? &#38;#38;#129300;

Greasing up the pivot cups did the trick for me. Bushing switching helped too, though I was starting to like the stock bushings last time I tried them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Tell ya what, I wish the AF1s came with a kingpin threader :P My front truck fell off yesterday on a speed check into manual and I didn't know it, put down and got pitched hard[/1] basically superfly'd the sidewalk at speed full contact to my left shoulder and pelvic bone and now my kingpin is toast =( Might have to buck up and buy the tool!

Tactics has them up as well, bit cheaper too

https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-44
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 22, 2021, 05:53:00 PM
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https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-44

I just saw that when I got home from paying $65 at the "local".   Tactics even closer to my house.  Doh..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 22, 2021, 06:43:52 PM
skated my new 33s for the first time today, and they felt great right out of the box.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on April 22, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Impulse bought some black 44s just now off tactics. Completely unnecessary but have never tried Aces. Anyone around 200 lbs have any insight on how the stock bushings are? I have bones hard in my indys absolutely hated the stock indy yellows they felt so mushy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 22, 2021, 07:45:34 PM
200+ here and doing just fine.  I leave the nut factory tight.  I think you'll be good. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2021, 07:50:31 PM
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I just saw that when I got home from paying $65 at the "local".   Tactics even closer to my house.  Doh..

I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.

Rip City in Santa Monica.

They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on April 22, 2021, 08:42:31 PM
200+ here and doing just fine.  I leave the nut factory tight.  I think you'll be good.

Good to hear just saw it seems they upped the bushing duro on these anyways which I didn’t realize until now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 22, 2021, 08:43:43 PM

I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.

Rip City in Santa Monica.

They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best!

I always find that frustrating (even though I prefer Indy myself) but I would never push certain brands on people, no matter what reason, but over the years I have often seen other shop dudes get pretty harsh on customers, even downright rude if they ask for something that is either not in stock or not the preferred brand from the perspective of that guy.  Responses like " What the hell do you want that for?" when asked for something...

That said, I will usually not get much or anything of some brands, but I am not running a big normal type of shop, so I can choose what I would recommend or ride myself and other brands that are good, eg trucks, yes of course I have Indy, but I also have Thunder, Venture, and Ace, plus one or two of a few other brands in stock too.


I wonder if they have a better account with NHS or get incentives for the more product they sell, or are just dicks?


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 23, 2021, 06:08:08 AM
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I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.

Rip City in Santa Monica.

They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best!
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I always find that frustrating (even though I prefer Indy myself) but I would never push certain brands on people, no matter what reason, but over the years I have often seen other shop dudes get pretty harsh on customers, even downright rude if they ask for something that is either not in stock or not the preferred brand from the perspective of that guy.  Responses like " What the hell do you want that for?" when asked for something...

That said, I will usually not get much or anything of some brands, but I am not running a big normal type of shop, so I can choose what I would recommend or ride myself and other brands that are good, eg trucks, yes of course I have Indy, but I also have Thunder, Venture, and Ace, plus one or two of a few other brands in stock too.


I wonder if they have a better account with NHS or get incentives for the more product they sell, or are just dicks?

I remember the shop here back in the day used to trick everyone into buying their house brand decks and would shit talk all the actual recognizable brands. At least if you were younger/new. It was obnoxious.

The NHS thing is possible, though it makes you wonder what would happen if you ask for Krux? I suspect the guy would still push you on Indy.

I can't deal with stores like that anymore. I like trying new/different gear, Indy is the last thing I'm interested in at this point. Trying new stuff is half the point. If I was just riding Indy then I'd be forced to actually focus on my skating. How lame would that be?

Seriously though, my AF1's are coming in today. They're actually replacing a set of indies which are going on ice. It's been a long time since I've felt like Indy was definitively "the best".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 23, 2021, 06:34:22 AM
Damn I may have to swoop up some from tactics.  I skate 8.3 to 8.5. I wish they had classic 44 sizing. So I guess I get af1 55? Anyone try af1 44s on an 8.5 yet?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 23, 2021, 08:26:59 AM
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I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore.  I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics.  Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?
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I usually skate 8.25 / 8.3 but have been recenlty on 8.6+ and Indy 159s, I'm liking the grind room but the heft is killing me so I'm dropping back down to 8.3 / 8.5 decks and moved to the 55 AF1; I would have picked up the AF1 that should have come in the classic 44 sizing... =(

That said, the minute NHS drops the 159ti Mid, I'm jumping ship.

Damn, I already bought the 44s.  If they don't feel right, ah, shit, looks like I'll have to buy some more gear and it will be a tragic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2021, 08:42:55 AM
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I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.

Rip City in Santa Monica.

They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best!
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I always find that frustrating (even though I prefer Indy myself) but I would never push certain brands on people, no matter what reason, but over the years I have often seen other shop dudes get pretty harsh on customers, even downright rude if they ask for something that is either not in stock or not the preferred brand from the perspective of that guy.  Responses like " What the hell do you want that for?" when asked for something...

That said, I will usually not get much or anything of some brands, but I am not running a big normal type of shop, so I can choose what I would recommend or ride myself and other brands that are good, eg trucks, yes of course I have Indy, but I also have Thunder, Venture, and Ace, plus one or two of a few other brands in stock too.


I wonder if they have a better account with NHS or get incentives for the more product they sell, or are just dicks?




I think they're just old/set in their ways ;) They're old dudes, in their 60s, so Indy is what they've known for decades back in the day.



The NHS thing is possible, though it makes you wonder what would happen if you ask for Krux? I suspect the guy would still push you on Indy.


They'd never carry Krux ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 23, 2021, 09:06:38 AM
I decided I'd blow some bonus pay money on a set of 66's and a wider board, giving these AF1's one last shot after being disappointed with the new 55's. Same fuckin deal, board sounds dead, sticky as fuck grind, and now even moreso i'm learning the extended wheelbase has totally fucked up the way the pop feels. Stock top washer also clicks super loud on this set every time I turn, too. Fuck these trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 23, 2021, 09:35:53 AM
lol i suspect there's a bunch of Indy plants in this thread/board.  yall can try being a little more subtle  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 23, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
 ;D created an account dissing Joey Tershay and post two times dissing Ace... hmmm...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 23, 2021, 10:07:58 AM
i mean, they lost their logo and half their riders in a matter of months, i'm sure it stings a little. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 23, 2021, 10:19:23 AM
did you even read my first post? i love ace trucks, i've been riding ace's pretty much since they came out on the market. once i set foot on them i never looked back to indy, nor do i care for any brand under NHS because i don't vibe with any of them. i'm just joining the discussion on an online forum of gear nerds because the hype has been insane about these trucks. peace. oh, and my name isn't a diss to joey i just thought of something dumb on the fly. whatever, it's a username lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 23, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
cool third post, bro. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on April 23, 2021, 10:31:07 AM
Edited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.
How can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?

Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...

All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Maxi205 on April 23, 2021, 11:11:23 AM
I rode the 44 AF1's for the first time today and I absolutely love them there was no break in time something I never experienced with any other truck before and I almost rode them all. I was highly sceptical if I should buy them or not because of what was written in this thread but I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger yesterday. The metal feels indeed way harder but I like the grind on them a lot more than I do on the classics (I grinded them on almost everything today concrete, coping and ledges). They definetely make the wheelbase longer than the classics which I think isn't bad at all atleast not for me since the pop feeling of the truck is way better in my opinion. Last but not least the bushings they were god from the start I only had to loosen them quite a bit from stock tightness to get them to my liking ( I weigh about 135 pounds so normal sized people maybe like them as they come). If they stay that way throughout their lifespan I won't go back to riding any other truck.

* I exclusively rode Independent 144 forged hollow the last year because I was kind of unhappy with the quality of Ace classics since my skinny ass did bent two sets of Ace 44 classics doing slappies which never happened to me with any other truck before.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 23, 2021, 11:28:49 AM
any wheelbase measurement comparisons yet?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 23, 2021, 11:38:04 AM
Like this one?

Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
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= 17.15625 (5/32)
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=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: stets on April 23, 2021, 11:38:58 AM
any wheelbase measurement comparisons yet?

(https://i.imgur.com/VNPXiaR.jpg)

I picked up some AF1 55s and a new board over the weekend and took a comparison photo since no one's posted one yet. Board on the left is AF1 55s on an 8.25 and on the right is classic 44s on an 8.5, both have a 14.25" wheelbase. I measured the classic 44s to be 17.25" axel to axel and the AF1 55s to be 17 9/16". So the longer wheelbase is definitely confirmed.

I pushed around the block a few times so I don't have a full review but these are some of my initial thoughts. They felt looser than I expected while standing on the board stationary at stock tightness. I stood on my friends board last week who had fresh 44 classics and they felt super tight. I skate without the top washer with the bolt flush with the kingpin and I have the same little bit of wobble as I had with my classics. Standing stationary it felt like I would hit wheelbite easier than on the classics, but I didn't notice any significant difference in wheelbite while cruising.

They felt really good pushing around. The turn is definitely there. They feel like Aces for sure. One thing I noticed is that they feel like they have a flat center while going straight. With the classics, it always felt like you were carving on an edge. Like you were always leaning frontside or backside, never just straight. I think this will definitely feel better to set up for ledge or flip tricks while skating street.

The longer wheelbase was noticeable, but it didn't seem to affect the turn too much. They feel very stable and less squirly. The pop did feel a little different but I can't say yet if it's better or worse. I only ollied over a few manhole covers and up a couple curbs. I did a few kickflips too and they felt good, except for the fresh grip.

I'm excited to actually skate these. I don't think anyone should be worried not liking them. I've been skating Aces since 2013ish and don't plan on skating anything else anytime soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: antarctica on April 23, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 23, 2021, 12:33:19 PM
Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?

Sounds like a blown pivot cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on April 23, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Hello, just giving some additional pieces of information that might be helpful for people who are thinking about purchasing. I haven't ridden them at all so I cannot truly say how they are for now but there are two things that stand out to me after tinkering around

One: the old Riptide ace pivot cups seem to be a great fit still for the new trucks. The new ace pivot cup comes already greased and feels VERY soft in terms of squishing it with my fingers (might have to do with that "melting" issue that another user posted about). Side by side, the ace pivots and the riptides are listed both as 96A but the ace pivots are clearly much softer. They also seem to have a bigger outer band/thickness when looking straight down them.

(https://i.ibb.co/N2hk6x0/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2hk6x0)

Two: The top bushing has a much sharper cone shape than the classics. The top circumference for the new bushings is much smaller. I found this out when changing the top washer for a flat one, which I do in every truck (same with the riptides actually). I'll post a picture of the differences in the top bushing. Bottom bushings are pretty much the same

(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Etc. I know this isn't too helpful given that I haven't ridden the trucks yet and isn't meant to say anything about the quality of the trucks, but I thought i'd let you guys know because it was interesting for me to find out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 23, 2021, 01:53:49 PM
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 23, 2021, 02:00:55 PM
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.

Nice. If anyone's ever seen him skate in person you could hear his Thunders rattling from a block away. Full on Matt Rod loose, so Ace makes a ton of sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 23, 2021, 02:25:34 PM
Edited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.
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How can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?

Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...

All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.
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cool third post, bro. 

pfffff how fuckin kook can you get. holy fuck ;D dudes like you are why people roast slap. ok tough guys, stay anonymous :-* "don't like Ace's, we 'ohn like yer kind 'round here!"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 23, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Thank you, Toseph Jershay, for using your given name to tell us anonymous losers on slap what's what.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on April 23, 2021, 02:53:04 PM
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How can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?

Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...

All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.
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cool third post, bro. 
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pfffff how fuckin kook can you get. holy fuck ;D dudes like you are why people roast slap. ok tough guys, stay anonymous :-* "don't like Ace's, we 'ohn like yer kind 'round here!"
Cool fourth post, bro.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 23, 2021, 03:14:22 PM
Got to ride the 33's today. Initial impressions:

The turn is ridiculous, and it definitely has that pivot/seesaw feeling where you're almost playing a balancing act. These feel nothing like modern Indy, they definitely retain their... Ace-y-ness. The wheelbase is negligible, if you like the classics, you'll like these.

Build quality feels phenomenal.

Come to think of it, they really remind me of the Stage 9's I used to have in how they turn.

I'm still tempted to switch the bushings out with Krux. At least the bottom barrel. 86a just isn't cutting it for me - I tightened the trucks a half turn from factory tightness, which feels like it's perfect, but my fat ass still bottoms them out way too quick and the wheels press flat against the board without much effort at all. I'd definitely prefer the 92a barrels. I'm going to stick with stock for a month or two to see how I feel then. If I don't like how they break in I'll swap to Krux. Business as usual with Ace.

Anyhow, I just rode it around my block to get a feel for them, didn't do anything serious. A few slappies and I'm not 100% sure what to compare them to. They definitely feel harder than classics, or even indy/krux. Maybe sort of destructo feeling, or maybe Venture for a more common reference. It'll take some time to get used to, I think I got used to the softer metal, but it's by no means bad. Plus for the price I'm willing to trade the feel for longevity.

Speaking of price, I still feel like they're slightly too much, assuming you didn't get that Warehouseskateboards steal. At 65 I still would have wanted a hollow kingpin, I would pay 70 for full hollows, but 65 for standard still feels weird. My assumption here is that we're paying for build tolerances - Regardless of the brand, I can pick up their trucks and usually see something about them that isn't perfect. Who needs them to be perfect anyhow, going to ruin them regardless. With the AF1's I can't find anything wonky. They arrived flawless. It's weird - Not what I've become used to with skateboarding at all.

Anyhow, I'm using them on an 8" deck with 53mm Spitfire Classics. I ride anything between 8 and 8.25, don't really stray outside of that range these days.

So yeah - I'm not blown away, nor am I disappointed. For some reason I was expecting them to have a more mellow turn than classics, but that's definitely not the case. The only thing that I can see holding people back is the price point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dancing on April 23, 2021, 03:17:14 PM
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Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?
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Sounds like a blown pivot cup.

nah it's the top washer, mine started doing that on the second day, skated today (third day) and it seems to have mostly stopped. Annoying, but I think it kind of goes away as the bushings wear in. On the topic of pivot cups though, they really allow for a lot of lateral movement, which is kind of trippy, but it doesn't feel terribly unpredictable like a blown cup, feels kind of nice actually. I only weight 135, and I almost feel like after a few slappys the cups feel super loose, but idk either way, I'll just throw my pair of riptides in there if it gets unmanageable. Also if you're impatient, I bet waxing the contact point between the top washer and the kingpin nut would fix it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 23, 2021, 04:22:33 PM
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Edited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.
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How can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?

Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...

All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.
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cool third post, bro. 
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pfffff how fuckin kook can you get. holy fuck ;D dudes like you are why people roast slap. ok tough guys, stay anonymous :-* "don't like Ace's, we 'ohn like yer kind 'round here!"

Posting is serious business, brother. We don't need any more NHS shills around here!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 23, 2021, 04:23:57 PM
Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?

One of my OG 44s do this periodically. I will disassemble them, clean everything up, and put a fine layer of wax or grease down at all the contact points, and then it goes away for another month.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2021, 05:54:30 PM


Speaking of price, I still feel like they're slightly too much, assuming you didn't get that Warehouseskateboards steal. At 65 I still would have wanted a hollow kingpin, I would pay 70 for full hollows, but 65 for standard still feels weird.


$65 rubbed me the wrong way so that warehouse price made it a no brainer.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 23, 2021, 06:16:54 PM
First impressions:
"Damn, thats a nice turn"
"Holy wheelbite" - I'm 185
"Where the fuck did my ollie go?"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Stevezahn on April 23, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
First Impressions of AF1 55s.
I’m coming from skating indy standard stage 11 149s for a couple sets in a row so probably the last 3 years it’s only been indy. The af1s were really loose at stock tightness but the bushings hardened up by the end of the session and felt great.  They turn just as well as my 66 classics on my cruiser.  The grind is harder and faster than my classics.  You have to put some force behind it when you lock in.  I was skating the park after work in western PA so it was like 50 out by the time I started skating.
After about a half hour I noticed a black substance on my hanger coming from the pivot cups and started freaking out after reading other people post about the “melting pivot cups”.  I wiped it away with my fingers and it almost felt like a lubricant.  The structural integrity of the pivot cups seems to be in tact.
I was definitely experiencing some ghost pop on my flip tricks but I attribute this to switching from Indys.  By the end of the session I was basically just skating the mini/qps and was loving the control I was feeling.  Ollies felt good but my kick/heel/tre flips felt off.
Btw I grew up skating 8.25 before they invented the 144/148/44 truck sizing so I have always ridden 149s on 8.1-8.5 decks. Currently on 8.38 wknd with the AF1 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 23, 2021, 06:57:40 PM
So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 23, 2021, 07:12:46 PM
So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?

Maybe Ace realized that people were adding wax/lube to their cups and started doing it themselves. Those of you who ride riptides - do you guys still find the need to add wax or lube to them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on April 23, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
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So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?
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Maybe Ace realized that people were adding wax/lube to their cups and started doing it themselves. Those of you who ride riptides - do you guys still find the need to add wax or lube to them?

I do not lube or wax the Riptide pivot cups. I have never felt like I needed to.

I copied this from the Ace Pivot Cups page on the Riptide website.

“RipTide's exclusive Internally Lubricated WFB Urethane in 96a”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 23, 2021, 07:57:16 PM
So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?

There's 100% some kind of grease added to the pivots. A generous amount in my case, a lot of it had already squeezed out onto the baseplate just from me checking truck tightness by hand.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 23, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
Wonder if the new “hand poured” pivot cups were found to be squeaking on prototypes & their solution was to grease ‘em up.
What’ll they sound like after the grease leaks out?
Don’t really care; prolly gonna cop some when it’s time to re up, regardless.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Stevezahn on April 23, 2021, 08:49:18 PM
I work in the water bottling industry so all of our lubes are food grade.  They get sticky when heat from motion is applied.  With aces use of the bio degradable bags maybe the went with some eco friendly grease
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 23, 2021, 09:02:50 PM
Wonder if the new “hand poured” pivot cups were found to be squeaking on prototypes & their solution was to grease ‘em up.
What’ll they sound like after the grease leaks out?
Don’t really care; prolly gonna cop some when it’s time to re up, regardless.

They feel like they would squeak. I imagine the idea is that they'll break in before the grease wears out.

Otherwise I'll just shave some bar soap in there, tends to solve the issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: EvenStevieNicks on April 24, 2021, 04:51:34 AM
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Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)
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Your setup is rad. I'm trying the 77s too.. just ordered them after riding Indys since the early 2000s to try something different!
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Thanks. Feeling guilty about not running my 55 classics but I am really enjoying these a lot. Going to see how they perform on some crustier curbs tomorrow.

The extra space feels nice though.

Extra space is rad... I started up skating again at 39/40 after about a nine year gap and multiple knee injuries. I bought a 10" Heroin egg and some 215s and it really helped with slappies!

Now, I did finally tear my crappy ol' ACL and have to get surgery but I feel this was unrelated to the wide trucks  ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 24, 2021, 05:01:34 AM
Hello, just giving some additional pieces of information that might be helpful for people who are thinking about purchasing. I haven't ridden them at all so I cannot truly say how they are for now but there are two things that stand out to me after tinkering around

One: the old Riptide ace pivot cups seem to be a great fit still for the new trucks. The new ace pivot cup comes already greased and feels VERY soft in terms of squishing it with my fingers (might have to do with that "melting" issue that another user posted about). Side by side, the ace pivots and the riptides are listed both as 96A but the ace pivots are clearly much softer. They also seem to have a bigger outer band/thickness when looking straight down them.

(https://i.ibb.co/N2hk6x0/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2hk6x0)

Two: The top bushing has a much sharper cone shape than the classics. The top circumference for the new bushings is much smaller. I found this out when changing the top washer for a flat one, which I do in every truck (same with the riptides actually). I'll post a picture of the differences in the top bushing. Bottom bushings are pretty much the same

(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Etc. I know this isn't too helpful given that I haven't ridden the trucks yet and isn't meant to say anything about the quality of the trucks, but I thought i'd let you guys know because it was interesting for me to find out

That top bushing pic is definitely interesting.

Back when we used to cut down the top bushings a lot, I would often cut the top bit off, not the bottom bit off, so they would look a lot more like that classic one, which of course had issues popping out over the sides of the washer.

Explains it very easily to see them side by side like that, as the new ones look more like every other top bushing on the market and stock in trucks.

Appreciated the post - thank you!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 24, 2021, 06:01:05 AM
Anyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?

And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 24, 2021, 07:47:06 AM
They sound like super close to turn-y indys now overall, which is very tempting. I love my Thunders, but haven’t found a good feeling loose setup for them. I’ve tried various bushings, no bottom washer, no washers at all, and they turn too quick at the top for it to feel as good as a loose Indy or Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on April 24, 2021, 09:42:08 AM
Anyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?

And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.

Probably the loosest trucks I've ever rode.

I tend to prefer setting up trucks loose but with heavy bushings. That way they're loose at the beginning of the turn but you really have to dig in for those deep carves.

The AF1's almost feel like they don't have bushings at all, someone send Daewon a pair. But nah, the stock setup definitely is intended for light weight street guys. I can't imagine using them for transition without swapping the barrels. I can't seem to control the wheelbite at all with 53mm. By feel alone I would assume these were double conical like Thunder or Bones or something.

I'll try throwing risers on them later to see how it feels. I'm really hesitant to swap out the stock bushings right away. I went through the same thing with Classics where I just needed to be stubborn and break them in, but the AF1's definitely feel even looser than that. Or maybe my memory is clouded by broken in classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 24, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on April 24, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.
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In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!
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Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.
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I don't know how anyone gets this to hold. Unless you have access to top secret aerospace glues, JB Weld is basically the only thing you're going to find on the shelf that will hold that in place IME
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This video might help some of you struggling with it. You have to use a good epoxy - super glue isn't ever gonna cut it (ever!) and it doesn't work well with steel/metal anyway.

https://youtu.be/HGAmiSzPsc4

Apart from money, I still can't figure out why no truck companies have made a standard truck with a kingpin that sits much lower or come up with an alternative whereby the nut isn't under the baseplate.

tbh when i bought the krux inverted kingpin to put on my ace, i never had to glue it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 24, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?

That problem is GONE. No more bushing getting knocked out of the cup washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 24, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
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Anyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?

And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.
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Probably the loosest trucks I've ever rode.

I tend to prefer setting up trucks loose but with heavy bushings. That way they're loose at the beginning of the turn but you really have to dig in for those deep carves.

The AF1's almost feel like they don't have bushings at all, someone send Daewon a pair. But nah, the stock setup definitely is intended for light weight street guys. I can't imagine using them for transition without swapping the barrels. I can't seem to control the wheelbite at all with 53mm. By feel alone I would assume these were double conical like Thunder or Bones or something.

I'll try throwing risers on them later to see how it feels. I'm really hesitant to swap out the stock bushings right away. I went through the same thing with Classics where I just needed to be stubborn and break them in, but the AF1's definitely feel even looser than that. Or maybe my memory is clouded by broken in classics.
cool thanks. I’m the same and switch to harder bushings being 205lbs but ace classics I can rock stock. Guess I’m holding off a bit, no need to rush into it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MusclesMarinara on April 24, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
Ended up ordering a pair off af1 22s from warehouse for my new set up. Was contemplating Indys but I honestly don't want to associate with NHS, as they kinda destroyed what Indy seemed to be. I'm excited to try out ace!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 24, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
I set up some AF1s yesterday and Jesus the bushings are spongy. I am also 200lbs and I love loose trucks but I hope these will break in and firm up a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 24, 2021, 12:14:38 PM
Humor me for a moment, if you will.
Regarding the tall(ish) kingpin height and the resulting "need" to increase clearance through modification: rather than plop in an inverted kingpin and dealing with the compromises they entail, why not take an angle grinder, or cutting wheel to knock 2 mm off of the OEM kingpin, in situ, and then use an ACE "low" top bushing, (or any other 10 mm, conical, top bush that is approximately 5 duro harder than whichever 14 mm, barrel, bottom bushing you happen to be running) effectively preserving the exact baseplate-to-yoke dimension, thus maintaining the same geometry. So long as your top bush is 10 mm and 5 duro harder than a barrel bottom, the turning characteristics will be almost identical with the capability to adjust for rider weight whilst still running loose adjustment.
More clearance, no compromise, exact same turn, plus adjustability.
Note: my hypothetical scenario uses lower stock bushings, rather than the cut-down method that Brimmo & others have mentioned, because, if you're really going to get into truck madness, you're going to want to insist on retaining factory width at both the top AND bottom of your bushings, requiring a steeper taper, rather than simply lopping off the bottom, resulting in less width/material at its new wide end. By using lower factory bushings of 10 mm height (or less), the rebound pressure is exerted from the turn's initiation, as the inner lip of the yoke is already in contact with the outer edge of the bushing, so compression begins right away.
Seems like those with the tools to do this would benefit from this method rather than fucking around with inverted kingpins, which may, or may not be too tall to permit tightening them down, if THAT's how you run 'em.
As for me, I like to run all of my trucks as designed, so as to "best" experience their intended geos. Further, the inverted pins come with a set of problems of their own. why trade one prob for another, rather than resolving it, ya' know?
My'pologies if this matter has been thoroughly discussed previously in this thread.
Just talkin' out my ass here. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 24, 2021, 12:25:59 PM
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Anyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?

And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.
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Probably the loosest trucks I've ever rode.

I tend to prefer setting up trucks loose but with heavy bushings. That way they're loose at the beginning of the turn but you really have to dig in for those deep carves.

The AF1's almost feel like they don't have bushings at all, someone send Daewon a pair. But nah, the stock setup definitely is intended for light weight street guys. I can't imagine using them for transition without swapping the barrels. I can't seem to control the wheelbite at all with 53mm. By feel alone I would assume these were double conical like Thunder or Bones or something.

I'll try throwing risers on them later to see how it feels. I'm really hesitant to swap out the stock bushings right away. I went through the same thing with Classics where I just needed to be stubborn and break them in, but the AF1's definitely feel even looser than that. Or maybe my memory is clouded by broken in classics.
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cool thanks. I’m the same and switch to harder bushings being 205lbs but ace classics I can rock stock. Guess I’m holding off a bit, no need to rush into it.

Hard disagree about the bushings. Jay, I'm a similar height and weight, the bushings were crazy loose at first but firmed up (and continued to do so) over the next several sessions. Put my very broken in 55s back on to try and the AF1s are more firm/stable.

Perhaps mine broke in faster because of my weight, but the AF1s don't feel at all squirrelly after the first hour or two.

I set up some AF1s yesterday and Jesus the bushings are spongy. I am also 200lbs and I love loose trucks but I hope these will break in and firm up a bit.

They will, for sure. It's wild to be on my 55 classics after the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 24, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
I decided I'd blow some bonus pay money on a set of 66's and a wider board, giving these AF1's one last shot after being disappointed with the new 55's. Same fuckin deal, board sounds dead, sticky as fuck grind, and now even moreso i'm learning the extended wheelbase has totally fucked up the way the pop feels. Stock top washer also clicks super loud on this set every time I turn, too. Fuck these trucks.

Stop lying dude lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 24, 2021, 01:04:23 PM
WarehouseSkateboards got my AF1 55s in my hands today!  Now I have to sit and wait for my 8.5" deck to show.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: EvenStevieNicks on April 25, 2021, 04:36:12 AM
I've ridden Indys with Bones medium for years now. I'm about the 200lb mark, and ride them with the kingpin nuts tightened flush.

I really like the surfy feel, and I ride hard wheels in the approved 52-54mm range so no biting issues. I'm just a curbs and ollies guy thanks to a horrible front knee, so stability for flip tricks isn't my top priority.

Have any of ya'll tried the Bones bushings in the Ace trucks (AF1 or Classic), and how did you feel about them in comparison the stock Ace setup?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clint on April 25, 2021, 07:16:01 AM
I've ridden Indys with Bones medium for years now. I'm about the 200lb mark, and ride them with the kingpin nuts tightened flush.

I really like the surfy feel, and I ride hard wheels in the approved 52-54mm range so no biting issues. I'm just a curbs and ollies guy thanks to a horrible front knee, so stability for flip tricks isn't my top priority.

Have any of ya'll tried the Bones bushings in the Ace trucks (AF1 or Classic), and how did you feel about them in comparison the stock Ace setup?

Before I switched to Ace I used the exact same set up as you, and I was convinced that Aces would need Bones as well. In my experience, they don't. Ace bushings are great. And so are Bones, but I think Bones solve a problem for Indy that Ace just doesn't have.

You can use bones bushings in there, but the kingpin stack height will be a little off and the hanger won't sit quite like it is supposed to without some futzing. Something I really like about the Bones bushings is that there's no break-period. In my experience with Ace, the classic bushings have a very short break-in period (no where near as long as Indy bushings), and the newer AF1 bushings have no break-in period at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 25, 2021, 07:36:42 AM
Humor me for a moment, if you will.
Regarding the tall(ish) kingpin height and the resulting "need" to increase clearance through modification: rather than plop in an inverted kingpin and dealing with the compromises they entail, why not take an angle grinder, or cutting wheel to knock 2 mm off of the OEM kingpin, in situ, and then use an ACE "low" top bushing, (or any other 10 mm, conical, top bush that is approximately 5 duro harder than whichever 14 mm, barrel, bottom bushing you happen to be running) effectively preserving the exact baseplate-to-yoke dimension, thus maintaining the same geometry. So long as your top bush is 10 mm and 5 duro harder than a barrel bottom, the turning characteristics will be almost identical with the capability to adjust for rider weight whilst still running loose adjustment.
More clearance, no compromise, exact same turn, plus adjustability.
Note: my hypothetical scenario uses lower stock bushings, rather than the cut-down method that Brimmo & others have mentioned, because, if you're really going to get into truck madness, you're going to want to insist on retaining factory width at both the top AND bottom of your bushings, requiring a steeper taper, rather than simply lopping off the bottom, resulting in less width/material at its new wide end. By using lower factory bushings of 10 mm height (or less), the rebound pressure is exerted from the turn's initiation, as the inner lip of the yoke is already in contact with the outer edge of the bushing, so compression begins right away.
Seems like those with the tools to do this would benefit from this method rather than fucking around with inverted kingpins, which may, or may not be too tall to permit tightening them down, if THAT's how you run 'em.
As for me, I like to run all of my trucks as designed, so as to "best" experience their intended geos. Further, the inverted pins come with a set of problems of their own. why trade one prob for another, rather than resolving it, ya' know?
My'pologies if this matter has been thoroughly discussed previously in this thread.
Just talkin' out my ass here.

This is kind of what I’ve been thinking of doing in my old axled 44 classics. I just ground down the kingpin nut and kingpin so much that the nut dropped off and now it won’t go back on anymore.

I tested out the Krux downlow kingpins for a bit and they’ve got 5mm less clearance than the stock kingpin. I don’t know how I could make them work with any bushing combo.

I was thinking of just putting the normal kingpins back, possibly rethreading them if I can find the Ace kingpin rethreader die and get new nuts and just use the Ace low top bushing instead of the normal ones. I want to grind these in half but having them at “flush tightness” isn’t possible with the stock kingpin and bushings anymore.

Grinding on the kingpin isn’t much of an issue for me as long as the nuts stays on to hold my bushings in place. I would like an inverted kingpin that retains stock geometry though. Less to worry about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 25, 2021, 07:45:42 AM
I've ridden Indys with Bones medium for years now. I'm about the 200lb mark, and ride them with the kingpin nuts tightened flush.

I really like the surfy feel, and I ride hard wheels in the approved 52-54mm range so no biting issues. I'm just a curbs and ollies guy thanks to a horrible front knee, so stability for flip tricks isn't my top priority.

Have any of ya'll tried the Bones bushings in the Ace trucks (AF1 or Classic), and how did you feel about them in comparison the stock Ace setup?

I use bones hards in my 33 classics because I can ride them wobbly loose that way but with some stability so I can still keep some trucks. It’s wobbly on center but then catches and stabilizes, while still keeping some turn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 25, 2021, 07:53:40 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?

None, and I am cranked down an extra 1.5+ turns on stock, the redesign was clearly to address this.

Agree with the person earlier that said these are even looser. Its for sure the case.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on April 25, 2021, 08:11:31 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?
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None, and I am cranked down an extra 1.5+ turns on stock, the redesign was clearly to address this.

Agree with the person earlier that said these are even looser. Its for sure the case.
haven’t broken in enough? Curious about that
And as @FrozenIndustries said above, good info and good to know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 25, 2021, 09:16:18 AM
Have had mine for just under a week. Put the 66’s on my curb/ bowl setup. I’m a bigger dude at 190/200 and they are for sure loose but we all know that. I’m having a ton of fun on the setup I have them on. I haven’t touched my popsicle all week actually.  Are they going to replace my ventures on my main setup? Nah. But they are perfect for what I’m doing with the deck they are on and are smashing through some shitty curbs with ease.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on April 25, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
what was the height of classics compared to af 1?

and what is the wheelbase now? in line with indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 25, 2021, 11:27:25 AM
There's a 130 page Ace thread with pretty much all info you need...

Af1s:
-Same height.
-Very slight increase in wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 25, 2021, 12:30:51 PM
The slightly wider wheelbase on the AF1 55's have for sure provided more noticeable stability along with the extra 0.25 width on the axle (8.35 - 8.5) in comparison with classic 44's.

AF1 55's feel better overall and more sturdy than the classics for 8.38 and 8.5 decks. 

Classic 44's are less stable when paired with 14.25 or lower WB decks. They feel & perform way better with 14.3 -14.5 WB decks. AF1 55's still feel better (much more stable & easier to manual) with 14.3 -14.5 WB decks and also more stable on decks with 14.25 WB.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 25, 2021, 08:51:50 PM
Has anyone tried the Krux kingpin with the AF1’s? I run them in my current set of Indy hollows and love them, but I’m pretty sure the ace kp’s are longer than Indy’s (taller bushings, too). I wouldn’t want to mess up the geometry or have to run smaller sized bushings in the AF1’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on April 26, 2021, 01:52:51 AM
Yo,

since im much too lazy to read 130 pages and the search function doesnt work for me i just got one question for you guys.

What size AF1 would you pick for a 8.75 Deck (AH Classic Eagle). 55 or 66.
Ordered the 55 cause i live in Germany and the 66 came in some days later after the other sizes. Impatient as fuck.

But im thinking maybe the 66 wouldve been the better choice....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 26, 2021, 02:02:22 AM
55 is like riding Indy 149 with it, you will be ok. Maybe just put some more speed rings from the inside to reduce the magic carpet feeling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 26, 2021, 05:58:53 AM
Yo,

since im much too lazy to read 130 pages and the search function doesnt work for me i just got one question for you guys.

What size AF1 would you pick for a 8.75 Deck (AH Classic Eagle). 55 or 66.
Ordered the 55 cause i live in Germany and the 66 came in some days later after the other sizes. Impatient as fuck.

But im thinking maybe the 66 wouldve been the better choice....

Either will work. If you like flip tricks and more technical street skating you might prefer 55s. If you skate more transition and curbs you might prefer 66s.

Or, you could get wider wheels with 55s and thinner wheels with 66s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tarquin on April 26, 2021, 07:16:50 AM
I usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 26, 2021, 07:28:53 AM
Has anyone tried the Krux kingpin with the AF1’s? I run them in my current set of Indy hollows and love them, but I’m pretty sure the ace kp’s are longer than Indy’s (taller bushings, too). I wouldn’t want to mess up the geometry or have to run smaller sized bushings in the AF1’s.

I too am interested in this. I bought a set of Krux kingpins but kind of dont want to mess with the stock set up as it stands.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 26, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
I usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.

Probably not.  I ride mine factory loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 26, 2021, 07:58:57 AM
Rode my old 44's to the liquor store  on my cruiser to pad the fridge during a commercial break watching the Oscar's.

Keep in mind I was a bit drunk, but the old 44's turn like Tensor's compared the AF1's.  I was really surprised.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tarquin on April 26, 2021, 08:02:26 AM
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Probably not.  I ride mine factory loose

Thanks, I’ll give them a go without messing with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
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I usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.
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Probably not.  I ride mine factory loose
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Thanks, I’ll give them a go without messing with them.

That's my plan, especially with everyone saying they are looser than classics (I always loosened up the classics); but I'm probably going to swap out for some sleeved flat washers, I've grown accustomed to my indys with ace bushings/flat sleeved washers.

I am surprised that stock, has a couple of kingpin threads showing, not a big deal but usually new trucks are flush; are the top bushings shorter now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 26, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
I am surprised that stock, has a couple of kingpin threads showing, not a big deal but usually new trucks are flush; are the top bushings shorter now?
I have one with one thread showing and one that's flush. Stock tightness isn't as precise as some may assume or maybe some kingpins have an extra thread or two, idk.

Top bushing seems shorter to me but I guess it could just be the shape change.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 26, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Top Bushings are the same size according to Ace.

I never would have thought truck companies, consistently tightened each and every truck they sell to the exact same point? Everyone tweaks things to their own preference, anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 26, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I just got some classic 55s direct from Ace and there are definitely a few threads showing on one and a single thread showing on the other..I wonder do they torque the nuts down to a certain spec or what is the rhythm/reason to it? I was also wondering if these are different washers now, because I can't see the bushing bulge thing problem being possible with these? Either way I can't wait to skate them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 26, 2021, 03:53:49 PM
Top Bushings are the same size according to Ace.

I never would have thought truck companies, consistently tightened each and every truck they sell to the exact same point? Everyone tweaks things to their own preference, anyway.

I've no clue who would handle this in the assembly process or if they already do this, but the use of a torque wrench (measuring Newtons) would be simple and give pretty consistent results every time. I think most people really into cycling use torque wrenches so their shit stays reliably consistent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2021, 05:55:41 PM
I just got some classic 55s direct from Ace and there are definitely a few threads showing on one and a single thread showing on the other..I wonder do they torque the nuts down to a certain spec or what is the rhythm/reason to it? I was also wondering if these are different washers now, because I can't see the bushing bulge thing problem being possible with these? Either way I can't wait to skate them.

Yes, they upgraded the washers (and bushings).

Also, the stock bottoms on the AF1s are a few mm taller compared to classic bottoms (never ridden), it's like thunder bottom height; tops seem to be the same height. and the feel in hand is very different, hard to explain but they feel nice :P

I've not set them up yet but have loosened them to be flush. I know all manus do it differently but we all know from experience that sit always comes flush, this is the first new truck I've bought (and I buy too many) that has ever had threads showing. Even Theeve, which have taller kingpins like ACE never have extra threads showing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 27, 2021, 07:18:21 AM
Got some 44 AF1 to try, if the wheelbase is thaaaat close to Indy and they pinch better they could be my ticket.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 27, 2021, 07:33:36 AM
Set my AF1 44's up on a christmas complete. Stood on it in the living room and they feel hella loose. Hitting the park after work for the first session, should be interesting.

Deck is an 8.25 Hockey. Went two speed rings on the hanger side nothing none on the axle nut side, I'll start there and see how it feels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 27, 2021, 07:39:28 AM
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I just got some classic 55s direct from Ace and there are definitely a few threads showing on one and a single thread showing on the other..I wonder do they torque the nuts down to a certain spec or what is the rhythm/reason to it? I was also wondering if these are different washers now, because I can't see the bushing bulge thing problem being possible with these? Either way I can't wait to skate them.
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Yes, they upgraded the washers (and bushings).

Also, the stock bottoms on the AF1s are a few mm taller compared to classic bottoms (never ridden), it's like thunder bottom height; tops seem to be the same height. and the feel in hand is very different, hard to explain but they feel nice :P

I've not set them up yet but have loosened them to be flush. I know all manus do it differently but we all know from experience that sit always comes flush, this is the first new truck I've bought (and I buy too many) that has ever had threads showing. Even Theeve, which have taller kingpins like ACE never have extra threads showing.
Thanks man I ended up just rocking them back forth while watching tv last night. Absolutely no problems with the herniated bushings and they stiffened almost to where I want them in less than 20 minutes. Being around 200 lbs probably helped speed that process up!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 27, 2021, 07:45:32 AM
Need some footie of Slap Truck Nerds rocking back and fore on their brand new AF1s on the living room carpet as they catch up on their Netflix shows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: blueskynoise on April 27, 2021, 08:02:32 AM
Got some 44 AF1 to try, if the wheelbase is thaaaat close to Indy and they pinch better they could be my ticket.


Mine already have a decent crook groove. They’re the shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smellsdead on April 27, 2021, 08:03:16 AM
if anyone flips and wants to ditch their af1 55s i have some inferior thunders indys and ventures ready for trade
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anti-bolts on April 27, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
does anyone know the exact wb comparison from indy standards to the af1? i really want to switch to ace because of the shortened wheelbase but idk if i want the af1 if the wb is about the same as indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on April 27, 2021, 11:07:39 AM
Need some footie of Slap Truck Nerds rocking back and fore on their brand new AF1s on the living room carpet as they catch up on their Netflix shows.

AF1s are perfect for the Lay-Z boy, but I still prefer the stability of Venture for when I sit on the couch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 27, 2021, 01:36:03 PM
Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 27, 2021, 02:30:07 PM
Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.

I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 27, 2021, 02:49:02 PM
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Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
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I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!

Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 27, 2021, 03:21:40 PM
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Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
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I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
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Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.

Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.

I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.

Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on April 27, 2021, 03:34:58 PM
Need some footie of Slap Truck Nerds rocking back and fore on their brand new AF1s on the living room carpet as they catch up on their Netflix shows.
I will try to get an edit together..I had mid thigh running shorts on though so there will likely have to be a slight charge. My apologies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tarquin on April 27, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
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Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
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I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
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Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.
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Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.

I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.

Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.

Fuck, now you have me worried about setting them up this weekend. 5050s are mostly all I do!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 27, 2021, 04:59:17 PM
4th session here and everything is all broken in and they feel great.  Had some clicking on the second session, but it’s long gone now.  Getting a nice slappy groove.  Pop has leveled out.  Really really happy with these. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 27, 2021, 04:59:55 PM
Damn, I was holding off setting up my AF1s up but now I really want to know for myself.

The Classics felt a little soft and sticky on curbs compared to Indy and Thunder to me, but were good on hard edge and pool coping...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 27, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
My AF1 44s and a deck I ordered with them got delivered to the wrong address and no one knows what the fuck is going on with that package, so I'm pretty stoked.  It'll get sorted, but the sad state of our once proud USPS has really put me in an existential tailspin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on April 27, 2021, 05:40:02 PM
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Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
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I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
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Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.
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Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.

I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.

Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.
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Fuck, now you have me worried about setting them up this weekend. 5050s are mostly all I do!

I stuck on probably 65% of the grinds I tried today. The other 30% were done on transition. And the remaining 5 I either landed or they actually grinded and I just didn’t make the trick.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 27, 2021, 07:40:41 PM
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Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?

There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.

It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.

Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
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I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
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Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.
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Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.

I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.

Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.
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Fuck, now you have me worried about setting them up this weekend. 5050s are mostly all I do!
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I stuck on probably 65% of the grinds I tried today. The other 30% were done on transition. And the remaining 5 I either landed or they actually grinded and I just didn’t make the trick.

For me, some of the stuff I skate, the grinds were super smooth and fast and then others I just stopped dead. Painted and waxed parking blocks? Fast. Very worn down and waxed curb? Fast. Bricked and enameled curb? Sticky. Granite steps? Sticky.

I love the stability and pop on the AFs but it's just odd the grind is inconsistent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: music critic on April 27, 2021, 08:24:45 PM
Tried out some 44 AF1's today and after carefully watching this thread I was pleasantly surprised.  I'm coming off of venture 5.6's and when i put them up to each other the aces hanger was slightly shorter than the ventures, even accounting for the coned or "faced" hanger there was a little extra hanger on the venture's, nothing too serious but just annoyed me that they wern't the same.

Turn:  The stock tightness is very loose as other have said, I did a full turn tighter and after an hour or so they started to stiffen up and feel more broken in.  The turn is good, having not skated aces in years it took a second to get used to the deep carve you can get once you reach a certain point, but up until that point it feels pretty stable and comfortable.  only skated for a few hours so we will see how the really break in.

Grind:  Noticed no issues with the grind like others are saying, it felt fast honestly but my other trucks were pretty beat.  I slappied a few painted curbs and grinded a marble bench a few times and I had no issues at all.

Pop:  The wheelbase is smaller than venture's i believe so the pop felt a bit more responsive but not as snappy as venture, which was the selling point that got me on v's in the first place.  I could still get my flip tricks up to the same height but just feels different of course.  Tre flips felt great.

Pivot cup: feels good, no issues with mushing or squeaking like others have said, although i could see some lube that was coming out of it, which leads me to my next point

Sound!:  My only complaint, what the fuck is up with the way they sound.  It felt like i had water in my ears, its like new bearings but even worse.  I'm assuming it has to be from the grease in the pivot cup, I really hope it goes away.  It's really similar to the dead sound of new bearings but at least it doesnt make your board feel dead.


Overall I really enjoyed them, ace's wheelbase had always kept me away but hearing they got SLIGHTLY extended sold me enough to give them a shot.  We'll see how I feel after two weeks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on April 27, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
Sorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 28, 2021, 07:14:04 AM
Sorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.

Yes, AF1 55s and 44 classics are basically the same, slightly longer axle on the 55 AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: EvenStevieNicks on April 28, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
Well, I can now weigh in after a lot of reading this thread! I put AF1 77s on my Heroin 10" egg, and holy shit they feel totally different than Indys. I had to tighten the kingpin nuts until three or four threads were showing... something unheard of with my usual Indy/Bones mediums combo, which I run flush.

Very surfy, with a far narrower "neutral" center zone than I'm used to with my Indys. I would characterize them as more responsive.

56mm wheels on 1/8" risers, and wheel bite was easier than Indys. Even with the tightened kingpin nuts I was still needed to wax the wheel wells.

I've read that the bushings will stiffen up, but I'm a chonker at 200lbs so I'm sceptical that the stock bushings will hold up for me. Any big fellas got any experience in the area?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 28, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
Well, I can now weigh in after a lot of reading this thread! I put AF1 77s on my Heroin 10" egg, and holy shit they feel totally different than Indys. I had to tighten the kingpin nuts until three or four threads were showing... something unheard of with my usual Indy/Bones mediums combo, which I run flush.

Very surfy, with a far narrower "neutral" center zone than I'm used to with my Indys and I would characterize them as more responsive.

56mm wheels on 1/8" risers, and wheel bite was easier than Indys. Even with the tightened kingpin nuts I was still needed to wax the wheel wells.

I've read that the bushings will stiffen up, but I'm a chonker at 200lbs so I'm sceptical that the stock bushings will hold up for me. Any big fellas got any experience in the area?
 

6'3" and 205. Mine stiffened up after about an hour and  firmed up a bit more over the next few sessions. I started them 1/2 turn tighter from how they came and have since loosened them 1/4 turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: EvenStevieNicks on April 28, 2021, 08:50:08 AM
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Well, I can now weigh in after a lot of reading this thread! I put AF1 77s on my Heroin 10" egg, and holy shit they feel totally different than Indys. I had to tighten the kingpin nuts until three or four threads were showing... something unheard of with my usual Indy/Bones mediums combo, which I run flush.

Very surfy, with a far narrower "neutral" center zone than I'm used to with my Indys and I would characterize them as more responsive.

56mm wheels on 1/8" risers, and wheel bite was easier than Indys. Even with the tightened kingpin nuts I was still needed to wax the wheel wells.

I've read that the bushings will stiffen up, but I'm a chonker at 200lbs so I'm sceptical that the stock bushings will hold up for me. Any big fellas got any experience in the area?
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6'3" and 205. Mine stiffened up after about an hour and  firmed up a bit more over the next few sessions. I started them 1/2 turn tighter from how they came and have since loosened them 1/4 turn.

Word. I'll hang in there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2021, 12:05:47 PM
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Yes, AF1 55s and 44 classics are basically the same, slightly longer axle on the 55 AF1s.

Slightly longer hanger also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tarquin on April 28, 2021, 12:56:27 PM
Skated my AF1s for a couple of hours after work today. Kept them as they came like augustmoon said. They turned a lot like my broken in classics I just finished with for the first half hour, until the bushings firmed up and I had to loosen them a bit.

Whoever mentioned the noise they make being weird is exactly right. Sounded kind of muffled when rolling, like my ears were blocked or something. Grinds sound noticeably quieter so far as well. Didn’t experience any sticking with grinds, mostly just did 5050s and 5-0s on this granite curb but they worked fine. Slappys felt a bit off but they might just need to loosen up still. Overall, I like them a lot so far. The turn feels great and I can tell they’ll break in quickly. Only negative is the weird noise thing but I’ll probably get used to it. I’ll try them on some transition tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2021, 05:27:25 PM
Top Bushings are the same size according to Ace.

I never would have thought truck companies, consistently tightened each and every truck they sell to the exact same point? Everyone tweaks things to their own preference, anyway.

This always confuses me, too. Like there's no way Ace is putting on the nyloc with a torque wrench - someone in the factory in China just uses some automatic tool to slap that thing on. They're probably doing like 10 trucks a minute, I doubt they're counting threads.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 28, 2021, 05:36:48 PM
have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 28, 2021, 05:45:55 PM
have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/

Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 28, 2021, 05:59:24 PM
Just ordered some 55 AF1s in........


.....gold. ugh.

Got a 9" board with lots of taper. 66s wont work.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 28, 2021, 06:06:12 PM
My AF1 55s arrived in the mail today.  One of the trucks had what appeared to be a large strand of human female hair wedged between the top bushing and washer.  Maybe it’s a new personal touch they’ve added to the manufacturing process... ?

I’ve really been enjoying the Ace classics 55s for the past few months on a few setups. Looking forward to trying the AF1s soon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 28, 2021, 06:09:56 PM
My AF1 55s arrived in the mail today.  One of the trucks had what appeared to be a large strand of human female hair wedged between the top bushing and washer.  Hopefully that’s a good omen... ?

I’ve really been enjoying the Ace classics 55s for the past few months on a few setups. Looking forward to trying the AF1s soon

Do put some shine on your forensic skillz to be able to discern it was female...
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Post by: Xen on April 28, 2021, 06:10:40 PM
Just ordered some 55 AF1s in........


.....gold. ugh.


Gross. Sorry dude.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 28, 2021, 06:55:47 PM
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 28, 2021, 07:11:24 PM
Took mine for a test ride at the local park today and they were wonderful. Didn't touch the kingpin nut at all and the bushings felt nice and broken in from the first step on. I also weigh around 180 pounds for reference.

Pop was nice I didn't really notice the geometry change personally.
 
Running 44's an 8.3 ishod twin tail. Had no wheel bite on 53ish conical fulls. I didn't get a great grind test because my local park has rounded edge angle iron on the ledges but crooks, 5-0's and nosegrinds felt fine. The fit and finish on them is noticeably better than my older ace 44's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on April 28, 2021, 07:32:52 PM
My AF1 55s arrived in the mail today.  One of the trucks had what appeared to be a large strand of human female hair wedged between the top bushing and washer.  Maybe it’s a new personal touch they’ve added to the manufacturing process... ?

I’ve really been enjoying the Ace classics 55s for the past few months on a few setups. Looking forward to trying the AF1s soon

If it smells like ganja then it was probably a strand from
Dr. Tershay himself. Leave it in for an irie ride, mon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2021, 07:42:39 PM
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have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
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stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders

Bummer about the response to your issue. DLX would not treat a customer that way... If only DLX made a truck that turned like old Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 28, 2021, 07:58:48 PM
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have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
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stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders
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Bummer about the response to your issue. DLX would not treat a customer that way... If only DLX made a truck that turned like old Indys.
Well I have a friend who knows someone who works in the warehouse. Luckily I am somewhat close to it so hopefully I can get sorted out. To be honest, I’m sort of excited to try thunders again. It’s been a minute
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ManimalChin on April 28, 2021, 08:08:15 PM
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks and after a quick ride decided to order some Bones bushings. I've only had about 30 mins on the trucks but they seem to be pulling to one side. The only thing I did was loosen the kingpin nut a bit on each truck, but they should be even. Given some of the posts here I might like these trucks with Bones. They feel pretty light and I love a brand new truck, so we shall see. I'm not really partial to any one truck brand, although I do like Independent, Thunder and Gullwings (replace bushings immediately).
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Post by: palelight on April 28, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
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have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
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stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders

Pretty wack to hear. Is there a sharp edge or lip either on the hanger nub or the cavity of the pivot cup? You said the riptides tore as well, almost sounds like there's a stray edge somewhere fucking things up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 28, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
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have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
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stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders
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Pretty wack to hear. Is there a sharp edge or lip either on the hanger nub or the cavity of the pivot cup? You said the riptides tore as well, almost sounds like there's a stray edge somewhere fucking things up.

there’s definitely a strange dent/ sharp edge on the cavity causing the bushing to get fucked up. needless to say i’m pretty upset i spent 65 on the trucks plus 20 on riptides to try and fix the issue. hoping ace can get back to me soonish as i love the trucks besides how shitty they sound at the moment and how sketchy they feel with already fucked up pivot cups
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: freddyrothbard on April 28, 2021, 11:05:04 PM
what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size?  the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 28, 2021, 11:47:07 PM
what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size?  the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.
The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 29, 2021, 12:33:47 AM
I've only had about 30 mins on the trucks but
pretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on April 29, 2021, 04:34:14 AM
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This happens with almost every truck company as well. I love thunders but their bushings feel terrible for the first session or two. Most truck company bushings are fine after a bit of time. Imo ace are a step above though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on April 29, 2021, 07:11:41 AM
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
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Nice. If anyone's ever seen him skate in person you could hear his Thunders rattling from a block away. Full on Matt Rod loose, so Ace makes a ton of sense.

I saw an old Blue Tile Lounge video where he sets up a board and didn’t see much wobble and an old Spitfire ad that showed what looked like stock Thunders- does he cut the bushings or something?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 29, 2021, 07:13:26 AM
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have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
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Stock bushings and setup, or changed?

More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
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stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thunders

Just curious, did you DM them or did you hit up their warranty dept via their site? Had a great experience with that the time I had an issue, highly recommended.

https://acetrucks.com/contact/ (https://acetrucks.com/contact/)

As someone who works with a ticket-based service system, I can say with quite a bit of certainty that you will get a better response.

Just ordered some 55 AF1s in........


.....gold. ugh.

Got a 9" board with lots of taper. 66s wont work.

@bigdave get you some citristrip from the hardware store. As long as they aren't anodized it'll get them raw in no time without any serious fumes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 29, 2021, 07:57:45 AM
all those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D
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Post by: Frank and Fred on April 29, 2021, 08:18:07 AM
Not at all. Put down the reefer and pay attention Toey.
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Post by: mbam003 on April 29, 2021, 08:21:38 AM
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Sorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.
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Yes, AF1 55s and 44 classics are basically the same, slightly longer axle on the 55 AF1s.
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Slightly longer hanger also.

Yeah the official acetrucks.com measurement for the AF1 44 hanger is 143mm and AF1 55 hanger is actually 149mm so I'll stick with the AF1 44's. Downsizing the truck is easier than upsizing for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on April 29, 2021, 08:41:13 AM
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what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size?  the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.
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The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.

Classic 66 are 9.35.  AF-1 77s are 9.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on April 29, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
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what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size?  the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.
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The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.
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Classic 66 are 9.35.  AF-1 77s are 9.5

Indeed. The correct answer to the original question of finding a 169 equivalent is 55 Classics or the new AF1 66, which are both at 9" (to 169s' 9.125").
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ManimalChin on April 29, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
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pretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazing

I will keep skating them for the next few days. Just never seen a truck pull so hard like that. I know it takes a while to break in trucks, so I will see what the next few days will show.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 29, 2021, 11:11:09 AM
all those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D

lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in.  throw the whole trucks away, total failure.  better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half

5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate.  maybe I'm an Ace plant?

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Post by: ballintoohard on April 29, 2021, 11:13:13 AM
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I will keep skating them for the next few days. Just never seen a truck pull so hard like that. I know it takes a while to break in trucks, so I will see what the next few days will show.

With my stock Indy bushings this happens for a good month. Even with the aftermarkets they will do this for a few sessions and my shit is not tight at all. Waxing the pivot cups somehow made it worse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on April 29, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
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lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in.  throw the whole trucks away, total failure.  better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half

5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate.  maybe I'm an Ace plant?

you are so mad over trucks dude, it's hilarious. definition of an internet tough guy. i went back to my several years old 44's, no indy's for me. you skipped all the reviews after mine, btw. like the one with the faulty pivot cavity cutting someone's riptides and the numerous reports of quiet trucks from these new stock pivot cups. "most precise truck ever made"...mmk. glad yours are working out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 29, 2021, 11:44:32 AM
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lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in.  throw the whole trucks away, total failure.  better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half

5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate.  maybe I'm an Ace plant?
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you are so mad over trucks dude, it's hilarious. definition of an internet tough guy. i went back to my several years old 44's, no indy's for me. you skipped all the reviews after mine, btw. like the one with the faulty pivot cavity cutting someone's riptides and the numerous reports of quiet trucks from these new stock pivot cups. "most precise truck ever made"...mmk. glad yours are working out.

Hey, glad to see that you don't care even a little bit and most definitely aren't mad about anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 29, 2021, 11:48:20 AM
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lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in.  throw the whole trucks away, total failure.  better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half

5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate.  maybe I'm an Ace plant?
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you are so mad over trucks dude, it's hilarious. definition of an internet tough guy. i went back to my several years old 44's, no indy's for me. you skipped all the reviews after mine, btw. like the one with the faulty pivot cavity cutting someone's riptides and the numerous reports of quiet trucks from these new stock pivot cups. "most precise truck ever made"...mmk. glad yours are working out.

He doesn't sound that mad, but you sound like someone with a low-grade fever, and an educational background with a few gaps in it, most apparent is reading comprehension.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 29, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
I don't see anyone saying they aren't that great. Loving mine with no issues yet. I like the tiny extension to the wb and it seems like kingpin clearance has improved. You can tell by holding them that the quality of metal alone is an upgrade. The only thing left to do is cut some weight by hollowing out the pins and axles, but with the light pop feel of 44s, that really is unnecessary imho. The only reason to dislike Classics for me was the tippy feel and the AF1 feel way more stable on center - with an even deeper turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on April 29, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
haha dude who names himself "toey jershay" and made an account specifically to post about trucks says that I am "mad" about trucks...

i don't really give that much of a fuck about trucks.  just turn ok and don't break.  don't give a shit about squeaking, micrometers of difference in wheelbase, wheelbite, wheels sticking out/in.  AF1s are the first trucks I've been excited about in a long time.  they just feel good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 871skate on April 29, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
I just ordered myself a set of 44 AF1 cause I just couldn’t help myself from trying them even though I’m currently on brand new classic 33s and I still got a good setup with classic 44s. Being an Ace head feels good after years of Indys and Thunders but I haven’t tried any other brands. Anyone else rides FA/Hockey boards and is kind of happy about the slightly longer wheelbase of the AF1s? That made me wanna try it cause manny tricks are so hard on a 14- 14-12 wheelbase with Aces. Also hyped the 44s will be slightly shorter and hanger but wish that would’ve cut down the weight a bit. Always wondering whether 44 or 33s are best for me. Also, stoked for Bobby shredding Aces, he always made me wanna ride Thunders
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on April 29, 2021, 03:04:51 PM
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what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size?  the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.
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The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.
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Classic 66 are 9.35.  AF-1 77s are 9.5
My bad I knew I shouldn't have freeballed it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on April 30, 2021, 02:11:13 AM
After one week on my AF1 44's here's my observations:

- Once the bushings broke-in (this is key) the turn doesn't feel noticeably different nor does the pop (depending on the deck). Once the bushings broke-in they felt a little more stable at center than classics but still a bit more squirrely than Indy. I think the slight difference in stability is more attributable to the bushings and pivots than anything else.

- Bushings are great so far! They took me about 3 full days of skating to break-in. Thunder and Indy stock usually take me about 2 hours of skating. So yeah, a little more patience is required. You have to reserve judgment on these trucks until they break-in! I did not like them at all on day one. I normally like my trucks around medium-loose so I went with two quarter turns past flush on the front and three on the back truck. Super loose with a lot of wheelbite at first but once they broke-in I decided no more adjusting was necessary. I'm 6'0" and 185lbs if that helps. Bushings are staying strangely white too, unlike turning black almost instantly on classics. After break-in they re-center reasonably well too.

- Bushing muffining, didn't happen, at all. Always happened to me on classics. The bushings knew their place and made no escape attempts.

- Height/Wheelbase are almost exactly the same as where an Indy with forged baseplates would be. No, I didn't measure, I simply lined up the baseplate holes and eyeballed it. Might be a mm or two difference but it's negligible in my opinion. I didn't have any older classics anymore to compare, sorry.

- Weight is a little heavy. I didn't weigh them but since my other trucks are Indy Ti and Thunder Hollows I expected them to feel a bit heavier. The good news is when actually riding them I didn't really notice much difference at all. Just holding one in the hand I'd say it feels a bit lighter than a standard Indy and around the same as a Venture with cast plates and solid axles.

- The grind is definitely different. I'd put them somewhere between Thunder and Venture. Closer to Thunder at the park on metal coping and waxed ledges and a little more in-between the two on curbs and rougher surfaces. If you're coming from Indy you may have to go a bit faster depending on the surface. I like it though, very controlled and consistent and they don't wear down as fast as classics.

- The pivots seem okay. Mine are still quiet and intact with no signs of falling apart way too quickly. There is definitely something in them. Either some sort of oil or grease or something. It's not a lot but I noticed a black substance being pushed out onto the stem of the truck hanger after skating the first few times. I'm usually a Riptide pivot person as part of setting up new trucks but decided to give the stock a chance. If they go to shit or start squeaking I'll update.

- The axles are great! No more stacking washers etc so they don't stick out so far. I've ridden them with some quantum bearings and the stock washers as well as with some Bones race reds without washers and all four wheels spun great while tightening them down all the way. The edge of the aluminum hanger is definitely flush with the bearings so no issues there. As far as the "oversized to eliminate bearing wobble" axle thickness, I didn't notice anything different since I tighten things down. I guess that might help out those who leave some play in their wheels but I have no idea.

I'm riding them with the new Ace 1/8" risers and 56mm wheels. I also tried out the Ace 1/16" shock pads and unlike others they didn't squish out from underneath the baseplate and maintained their shape. My preferred riser these days are the Real 3 Ply wooden ones. If anyone tries out their "Universal" pattern with Ace please let me know how they fit. If I get some myself I'll update. I was able to use Shorty's 7/8" with the shock pad and just barely got Shorty's 1" to work with the regular riser pads. You may have to go up to 1 1/8" depending on the thickness of your wood (pun intended).

In Conclusion: The Ace AF1's will be replacing Indy on one of my cruisers, my larger park setup and my "shitty Belgian streets" setup with 56mm 97A Spitfire wheels. I'll be sticking with Thunder on my smaller setups as I find my meager arsenal of flip tricks comes easier with Thunder. Yes, I'm a quiver skater. The surfaces and spots here are all so varied there's no one and done setup that works I've found.

I'll do my best to answer any questions. I hope this all helps out some.

P.S. These trucks arrive in a plastic bag and have a lot of polish or preservative on them. Unless you want blackish blue meteor shit all over your hands they require a decent wipe down. I actually dampened a microfiber and cleaned then dried them. The rag was almost completely black after I was done.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on April 30, 2021, 02:24:53 AM
After one week on my AF1 44's here's my observations:

- Once the bushings broke-in (this is key) the turn doesn't feel noticeably different nor does the pop (depending on the deck). Once the bushings broke-in they felt a little more stable at center than classics but still a bit more squirrely than Indy. I think the slight difference in stability is more attributable to the bushings and pivots than anything else.

- Bushings are great so far! They took me about 3 full days of skating to break-in. Thunder and Indy stock usually take me about 2 hours of skating. So yeah, a little more patience is required. You have to reserve judgment on these trucks until they break-in! I did not like them at all on day one. I normally like my trucks around medium-loose so I went with two quarter turns past flush on the front and three on the back truck. Super loose with a lot of wheelbite at first but once they broke-in I decided no more adjusting was necessary. I'm 6'0" and 185lbs if that helps. Bushings are staying strangely white too, unlike turning black almost instantly on classics. After break-in they re-center reasonably well too.

- Bushing muffining, didn't happen, at all. Always happened to me on classics. The bushings knew their place and made no escape attempts.

- Height/Wheelbase are almost exactly the same as where an Indy with forged baseplates would be. No, I didn't measure, I simply lined up the baseplate holes and eyeballed it. Might be a mm or two difference but it's negligible in my opinion. I didn't have any older classics anymore to compare, sorry.

- Weight is a little heavy. I didn't weigh them but since my other trucks are Indy Ti and Thunder Hollows I expected them to feel a bit heavier. The good news is when actually riding them I didn't really notice much difference at all. Just holding one in the hand I'd say it feels a bit lighter than a standard Indy and around the same as a Venture with cast plates and solid axles.

- The grind is definitely different. I'd put them somewhere between Thunder and Venture. Closer to Thunder at the park on metal coping and waxed ledges and a little more in-between the two on curbs and rougher surfaces. If you're coming from Indy you may have to go a bit faster depending on the surface. I like it though, very controlled and consistent and they don't wear down as fast as classics.

- The pivots seem okay. Mine are still quiet and intact with no signs of falling apart way too quickly. There is definitely something in them. Either some sort of oil or grease or something. It's not a lot but I noticed a black substance being pushed out onto the stem of the truck hanger after skating the first few times. I'm usually a Riptide pivot person as part of setting up new trucks but decided to give the stock a chance. If they go to shit or start squeaking I'll update.

- The axles are great! No more stacking washers etc so they don't stick out so far. I've ridden them with some quantum bearings and the stock washers as well as with some Bones race reds without washers and all four wheels spun great while tightening them down all the way. The edge of the aluminum hanger is definitely flush with the bearings so no issues there. As far as the "oversized to eliminate bearing wobble" axle thickness, I didn't notice anything different since I tighten things down. I guess that might help out those who leave some play in their wheels but I have no idea.

I'm riding them with the new Ace 1/8" risers and 56mm wheels. I also tried out the Ace 1/16" shock pads and unlike others they didn't squish out from underneath the baseplate and maintained their shape. My preferred riser these days are the Real 3 Ply wooden ones. If anyone tries out their "Universal" pattern with Ace please let me know how they fit. If I get some myself I'll update. I was able to use Shorty's 7/8" with the shock pad and just barely got Shorty's 1" to work with the regular riser pads. You may have to go up to 1 1/8" depending on the thickness of your wood (pun intended).

In Conclusion: The Ace AF1's will be replacing Indy on one of my cruisers, my larger park setup and my "shitty Belgian streets" setup with 56mm 97A Spitfire wheels. I'll be sticking with Thunder on my smaller setups as I find my meager arsenal of flip tricks comes easier with Thunder. Yes, I'm a quiver skater. The surfaces and spots here are all so varied there's no one and done setup that works I've found.

I'll do my best to answer any questions. I hope this all helps out some.

P.S. These trucks arrive in a plastic bag and have a lot of polish or preservative on them. Unless you want blackish blue meteor shit all over your hands they require a decent wipe down. I actually dampened a microfiber and cleaned then dried them. The rag was almost completely black after I was done.

thank you and welcome to slap
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on April 30, 2021, 02:38:34 AM
thank you and welcome to slap

You are welcome and thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on April 30, 2021, 03:02:10 AM
All subjective obvs but personally, both the original Ace classics (44) and the new AF1's (55) work just fine.

Both trucks have the best turn in the game from stock - period. (If you like riding loose trucks of course but if u don't like loose trucks then that's just weird anyway)

Only main noticeable diff when it comes to actually skating them is that the new AF1's have the new sizes, come with the fancy axle rethreading bolts and slightly wider WB which makes them MUCH more stable IMO along with 0.25 extra width. Crazy how 0.25 extra width makes such an insane amount of diff!

It's a pretty simple conclusion tbh. If you ride tight trucks (gay) then stick with your ventures and thunders (or whatever) that don't really turn properly (they just lean to the sides) but if you actually like turning / carving and having that loose surfy turn then you're just not gonna find a truck that turns anywhere like Ace. The closest u can get is tweaking Indy's but even then you cant get them as loose as ace with good centering.

Seen a few people complaining about the grind. Go faster or stick some wax on the hangers then no? This has always been what skaters do and have done since day 1 so not sure why its even an issue tbh. More wax on the ledge & on the trucks and problem solved! That goes for any trucks.




Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on April 30, 2021, 03:36:08 AM


It's a pretty simple conclusion tbh. If you ride tight trucks (GAY) then stick with your ventures and thunders (or whatever) that don't really turn properly (they just lean to the sides) but if you actually like turning / carving and having that loose surfy turn then you're just not gonna find a truck that turns anywhere like Ace. The closest u can get is tweaking Indy's but even then you cant get them as loose as ace with good centering.


I sadly haven’t seen GAY post here for a while (we all miss you), but I always assumed he likes his trucks like he likes his older men’s assholes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on April 30, 2021, 10:17:48 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/j5jwzm3/3-C8691-B3-2440-4-D9-B-9-CEB-6-C5-DD40-BDC22.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j5jwzm3) (https://i.ibb.co/ZffCNcq/C392-D576-DBD7-4-DC5-BBE7-33-F6-C9372693.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZffCNcq) (https://i.ibb.co/SVX6fFk/5-C67-AFD3-4-A83-4186-B1-D4-3-DFC8835-ABCF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SVX6fFk) (https://i.ibb.co/NnCGvjV/02-F89648-DB6-B-4-AB1-B944-67-F9-C43-A71-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NnCGvjV) (https://i.ibb.co/d0LC9XZ/760-D233-B-ACB9-4-A10-B802-CD793-D66-EA5-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d0LC9XZ) (https://i.ibb.co/93VRsFS/756-B669-F-C7-B2-4-F0-F-A12-B-EC4-A66-A87211.jpg) (https://ibb.co/93VRsFS) (https://i.ibb.co/fY0bYm0/D809099-B-B9-F5-4-C51-934-F-285-FE293-AD0-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fY0bYm0)




Just had my first  session on AF1 55s. Overall I like them but forgot how much I hate new trucks. I experienced a few issues. They stuck and felt weird grinding coping. Then after a few goes that felt fine. But different. Then skated curb that’s used as a coping and it stuck hit after a bit felt good grinding on concrete. I noticed the pinch and pop feels better on af1s. But damn did I wheel bite a lot today. Like flash back to thunders wheel bite. Same twitch. But they rebound good. They don’t feel heavy. The king pin looks longer. Buuuut my pivot cup broke. Idk when or how but I looked to see if the bushings bulged and noticed it. Bushings are fine can’t wait til they firm up. Cause skating stock seems a little more twitchy than classic 44s. I’m 6’1 and about 230. So I’m not small. So I understand my size May be the issue.


 The pivot cup bums me out.

 (https://i.ibb.co/df82GgF/18-DCF512-4-E49-4-D5-D-8492-523928-CFA1-E8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/df82GgF)(https://i.ibb.co/qmZ4tt5/F61-F8-DE9-04-BD-4-B36-8514-102506407-E8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qmZ4tt5)(https://i.ibb.co/xhwHydC/D473-EEC7-D395-4342-82-A1-FB995-D90-A509.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhwHydC)

Does anyone know if old ace pivot cups will fit or Indy pivot cups?

Edit// can a pal turn one of the pivot cup pics into a jpg for me so I  can submit it to ace customer service?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 30, 2021, 11:30:34 AM
@Murge it looks like if you just download them from imagebb they're JPGs, but if I am missing something let me know and I got you.

Sucks about the pivot cups. I really like how they feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 30, 2021, 01:01:50 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/fY0bYm0/D809099-B-B9-F5-4-C51-934-F-285-FE293-AD0-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fY0bYm0)


Is it just the angle? The classic looks way lower at the yoke (old bushing maybe?) and just lower overall.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 30, 2021, 01:52:04 PM
anyone know how long it takes for ace customer service to get back to you? i submitted photos and everything a day and a half ago and i’m getting sort of impatient. I’m a broke ass college kid so i’m kinda bummed about my new trucks already being fucked
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on April 30, 2021, 06:23:41 PM
anyone know how long it takes for ace customer service to get back to you? i submitted photos and everything a day and a half ago and i’m getting sort of impatient. I’m a broke ass college kid so i’m kinda bummed about my new trucks already being fucked

I've contacted them with general questions, never for customer support, but I've gotten replies both quickly and a couple days later. Small company + new product roll-out, they might be kind of swamped. Give it the weekend and then resend for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on April 30, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
Well, the day after reporting all good things on the new Ace model I had a blowout. Got up this morning to take a quick cruise down the street to the bakery to get some danish and baguette and on my first carve around a corner I both heard and felt a small pop. I absolutely thought it was a bushing turning into a muffin since it could smell the bakery but alas, when I stopped and looked down there was no muffin in sight nor any sign of any other issues. I continued on my journey without noticing anything else.

Then, when I returned to my home I took the trucks apart and discovered my front pivot had just split perfectly down the middle. Also, wow! These are the softest pivot cups I have ever seen! They're mush! I was right about the grease part too, there's a lot of it inside the pivot. It appears Ace did everything they could to make them quieter but in doing so made the least durable pivots I've ever seen. You can easily squish them all the way flat with your fingers. So yes, this is disappointing and apparently happening in some manner to many users of these new "well researched and tested" trucks. I'm just glad it wasn't the bushings. I already had three sets of Riptide's for Ace Classics on hand in case. Good news is the Riptide's fit right in the baseplate no problem. Bad new is there's a lot of play concerning the stem of the hanger, you know, the part that inserts itself into the rubbery goodness of the pivot? It's not noticeable when riding around but I know it will bother me. I'm going to email Tracey at Riptide and tell her about it so perhaps they'll adjust the mold to make them a bit beefier for the new Ace trucks. I'm going to email and hit up Ace on Instagram as well to add my voice to #pivotgate.

In the end, it's not a deal breaker by any means. I already replace the pivots on any other truck right away because I already know they suck. It's just how Ace hyped these up that sucks big balls. I'm always an early adopter and I never learn the lesson not to be. Oh well, at least I have fresh baked goods...

(https://i.imgur.com/f71DPbS.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on April 30, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Also, while I had my other two sets that I haven't skated out I decided to weigh them since I saw someone asking. Quite a bit heavier than what I was currently riding but as I stated previously, for me it isn't really noticeable when riding the board.

44
(https://i.imgur.com/X44a8Ic.jpg)

33
(https://i.imgur.com/y8Acgrj.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on May 01, 2021, 01:33:29 AM
Every time someone experiments with urethane pivot cups or waxes the shit out of their pivot cup I'm reminded of this post:


The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

Ace were already shaky with their pivot cups, I wonder if they thought the urethane would be less likely to blow out?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 01, 2021, 09:20:42 AM
@Murge it looks like if you just download them from imagebb they're JPGs, but if I am missing something let me know and I got you.

Sucks about the pivot cups. I really like how they feel.

Got it sent! Thank you for helping me out! 


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Is it just the angle? The classic looks way lower at the yoke (old bushing maybe?) and just lower overall.

They looked lower to me too. That and the photo before it I was trying to show what to me seemed like a height difference. Or the king pin looks longer to me also. If I remember I can check the height with calipers at work but with the classics being ground down some idk how accurate it would be.  But it definitely looks different to me.


Edit/ haven’t heard back from ace but as it was said earlier new drop small company. I’m not sweating it. But it needs to be addressed so they can try and fix it so others don’t have to deal with it. Especially for the price of af1s basically being a standard truck priced as a higher end one it should be completely sound and work as intended no issues.  I ordered some ace pivots from their site hopefully that works. If not my local has Indy pivots and I can pull them from my classic 44s. Any one know if I should just keep skating with a busted pivot cup or try the Indy or classic 44 pivot

@furieruzu did you notice any burrs or anything sharp or unfinished feeling in your pivot cup cavity?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on May 01, 2021, 09:52:35 AM
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did you notice any burrs or anything sharp or unfinished feeling in your pivot cup cavity?

Didn’t even think to look. Thanks! I’ll check it out. With the way it split so perfectly I just figured it was defective.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 01, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
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did you notice any burrs or anything sharp or unfinished feeling in your pivot cup cavity?
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Didn’t even think to look. Thanks! I’ll check it out. With the way it split so perfectly I just figured it was defective.
oh it def could just be defective. I just saw someone say there was a sharp thing in theres and was curious how common that is. I’m gonna check mine when my kiddo naps
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 01, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
Had my second session on the AF1’s today. And had absolutely zero issues with the grind today. It was the strangest thing. I don’t know if it was going from classics to AF1 over night last session. But had a few days off board between session one and two with the AF1 spent the first few minutes avoiding grinds and then finally braced my self for one. Popped, got in and grinded right through with no issues. I’m sold on the AF1 after this mornings session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LeakThis on May 02, 2021, 01:21:35 AM
Same shit different name but squeakier imo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on May 02, 2021, 06:31:56 AM
Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

cheers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on May 02, 2021, 08:20:09 AM
Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

cheers

Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on May 02, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on May 02, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.

How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 02, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
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Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

cheers
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Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.

I’m pretty sure they’re a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 02, 2021, 01:44:47 PM
haha dude who names himself "toey jershay" and made an account specifically to post about trucks says that I am "mad" about trucks...

i don't really give that much of a fuck about trucks.  just turn ok and don't break.  don't give a shit about squeaking, micrometers of difference in wheelbase, wheelbite, wheels sticking out/in.  AF1s are the first trucks I've been excited about in a long time.  they just feel good.

Toey Jershay is a Slap pal that can regularly be seen gaslighting people on their "reading comprehension"

Not sure why he is so mad about Ace Trucks that he has to create a separate account.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on May 02, 2021, 01:45:10 PM
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I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
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How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
Fuck if I know, I’m not out here bombing hills. They extend the wheelbase? Can’t tell. There’s no resistance, it’s just straight to wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 02, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
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I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
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How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.

WB length is only a part of the whole. Thunders have that insane tendency to bite despite having an even longer WB than any Ace/Indy. This pic of the newer AF1 bushings is pretty telling, the more aggressive cone shape (probably to stop the muffin-ing) is gonna be way more squirrely than the classic. Add to that the new pivot cups being softer than soft...and greased.

Hello, just giving some additional pieces of information that might be helpful for people who are thinking about purchasing. I haven't ridden them at all so I cannot truly say how they are for now but there are two things that stand out to me after tinkering around

One: the old Riptide ace pivot cups seem to be a great fit still for the new trucks. The new ace pivot cup comes already greased and feels VERY soft in terms of squishing it with my fingers (might have to do with that "melting" issue that another user posted about). Side by side, the ace pivots and the riptides are listed both as 96A but the ace pivots are clearly much softer. They also seem to have a bigger outer band/thickness when looking straight down them.

(https://i.ibb.co/N2hk6x0/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2hk6x0)

Two: The top bushing has a much sharper cone shape than the classics. The top circumference for the new bushings is much smaller. I found this out when changing the top washer for a flat one, which I do in every truck (same with the riptides actually). I'll post a picture of the differences in the top bushing. Bottom bushings are pretty much the same

(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)

Etc. I know this isn't too helpful given that I haven't ridden the trucks yet and isn't meant to say anything about the quality of the trucks, but I thought i'd let you guys know because it was interesting for me to find out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 02, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Sml are great, I still prefer loophole but they defs get the job done!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 02, 2021, 03:13:59 PM
Got my Af1's set up and love em. I actually loosened them up after feeling very uncomfortable with how tight they were from the get go, but I'm used rattling loose Thunders with shaved down bones hards.

I am in love with the grind, and I'm really excited about how the turn will feel when the bushings are really broken in.

I ride 56mm wheels with 1/8 risers and wheelbite ain't so bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tarquin on May 02, 2021, 03:33:00 PM
Only skated mine three times and they feel fully broken in. Very happy with them so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 02, 2021, 04:58:00 PM
I'm dying to try this truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 02, 2021, 06:44:18 PM
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I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
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How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.

If you didn't like the Aces before, you aren't going to like the AF1s. They're extremely carvy right out of the box, even if you crank that kingpin nut down. The very slight WB extension doesnt affect much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 02, 2021, 08:54:36 PM
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Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

cheers
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Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.
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I’m pretty sure they’re a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube

I had the 66 side by side some Indy 169s and there was almost nothing in it for height, just slightly lower in Ace, but definitely not "low" type of trucks.

Set them up with 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels on an old school board for a friend and they worked fine, just a touch of tightening but definitely no wheelbite as per trucks with a lower axle measurement.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 02, 2021, 09:05:43 PM
After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition.  Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.

Street - not so much.  I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak.  Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.

I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail.  The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.

Not a quiver buster truck.  I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: music critic on May 02, 2021, 09:51:42 PM
Spent a week on the af1's and overall I'm happy with them, that being said I'll probably switch back to ventures or thunders because that's what I'm looking for.  I was hoping that the extended wheelbase would have them suit my ledge skating needs better but the wheelbite and looseness of them is too much for me.  I skate what I consider "medium" looseness of trucks and the ace's stock turn is too crazy for me, I have them a full crank (circle) and a half tighter and feel like I still want them tighter.  The sound didn't go away but I got used to it, I'm sure it would after a month or so.  Grind is still good.

Again, no real complaints I think they are good trucks, but what i expected to bother me going in did indeed bother me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on May 03, 2021, 03:20:28 AM
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I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
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How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
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If you didn't like the Aces before, you aren't going to like the AF1s. They're extremely carvy right out of the box, even if you crank that kingpin nut down. The very slight WB extension doesnt affect much.

I very much like the Ace 44 Classics. Those are my go-to truck right now. I really hope this truck won't go to the chopping block or get radically redesigned. The only improvements I would like to immediately see is to durability (stronger metals, hanger strength improvements through design).

WB length is only a part of the whole. Thunders have that insane tendency to bite despite having an even longer WB than any Ace/Indy. This pic of the newer AF1 bushings is pretty telling, the more aggressive cone shape (probably to stop the muffin-ing) is gonna be way more squirrely than the classic. Add to that the new pivot cups being softer than soft...and greased.

Excellent point about Thunders there. Those are indeed some straight to wheelbite trucks with an extended wheelbite that really beg to be set up tight or with risers. I think I'll skip the AF1 hype altogether and stick with the Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 03, 2021, 06:06:49 AM
I took the pivot cup out to check the damage. It was just the top area. But I noticed where the damage on the pivot cup is the exact place the pivot cup cavity(?) hole has a weird ding or is out of round in that spot. I then put the pivot cup back so the damage is not in the same out of round area of the cavity to see if I get damage in that spot again. To see if the out of round is causing it. Sorry the pictures are out of order below.

(https://i.ibb.co/HTxfhW2/0-C060059-92-AB-4295-B1-BD-9-F73-D28-ECBDB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTxfhW2) (https://i.ibb.co/Qc0xy58/9858-F4-EC-4495-4002-AF75-FFAA75392056.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qc0xy58) (https://i.ibb.co/C9fJvTQ/8681-AFA3-CF65-49-FC-AF9-B-804793-DB212-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C9fJvTQ) (https://i.ibb.co/Tkd4TDc/F0-B72-E9-E-6-E2-A-4-BFD-9408-4-ABF55095096.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tkd4TDc) (https://i.ibb.co/fvsxHkf/92-BC9-F52-33-E6-4-D79-86-A6-8-E4073-BD79-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvsxHkf) (https://i.ibb.co/dbYCmtz/5-B7-D977-C-22-DF-4-F30-9-F2-F-FDA3-AD254-F6-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbYCmtz) (https://i.ibb.co/MVy8bxG/5-C97-BE66-96-D1-4-C6-B-9-FF0-6-E825-A24059-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MVy8bxG) (https://i.ibb.co/2s9SGrj/70358318-85-B3-4-FCE-B117-4-E70365-B8363.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2s9SGrj)




So I had my second session on my AF1s. After taking the pivot cup out to check how busted it was (not as bad as I thought). The first like 20 minutes of skating I had a clicking noise and it drove me nuts. Then after that first 20min I think the bushings firmed up enough and I loosened them had a lot of fun with them and by the end I didn’t notice them clicking and was intentionally trying to get them to and at that point the clicking stopped. Idk if it stopped for good but at some point on that session it stopped.  My verdict is still out but the last little bit of that session I would put them over the classics. But I’m still skeptical.

Also I have a video of me making them click by hand after setting them back up. If that’s something you guys may find useful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2021, 07:27:58 AM
The irregular shape of that pivot cavity is definitely causing the cup damage you are having and I doubt it would ever go away; I would reach out to them with pics and get them replaced ASAP under warranty.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on May 03, 2021, 07:55:28 AM
Anyone with issues get a response from Ace yet? I just want a replacement pivot in hope's that mine was just a dud. Can't get them on email or IG. They certainly are active on social media though. With it blowing out within a week of some very non-aggressive skating I would hope it's something they would cover. My Riptide's are working fine, even if they don't hug the stem of the hanger like the Ace pivots do and seem to make them feel a bit more squirrely. I just wanted to go stock for a bit and see how it went.

P.S. I could see nothing weird going on in the pivot area of the baseplate. It seems my pivot was just defective or something and gave out.

P.S.S. Those talking about wheel-bite aren't kidding. Even after breaking them in I'm still nervous about deep carves. Something I don't recall being an issue with my classics. Still liking them, just need to get this pivot crap sorted and perhaps go back to 54mm wheels after stepping up to 56 w/risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kevve on May 03, 2021, 08:05:11 AM
What risers fits ace trucks? Gonna try a set for a cruiser setup and need some risers for the big wheels. Got some indy risers will they sit flush on ace baseplates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bunk Moreland on May 03, 2021, 08:09:49 AM
Pivot cups are $.50...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on May 03, 2021, 08:20:37 AM
Pivot cups are $.50...
Not any that will fit the new AF1...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on May 03, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
What risers fits ace trucks? Gonna try a set for a cruiser setup and need some risers for the big wheels. Got some indy risers will they sit flush on ace baseplates?
ive been able to get indy risers to sit flush, just don’t use the mounting holes on the riser, instead force it through the middle open area of the riser
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 03, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
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What risers fits ace trucks? Gonna try a set for a cruiser setup and need some risers for the big wheels. Got some indy risers will they sit flush on ace baseplates?
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ive been able to get indy risers to sit flush, just don’t use the mounting holes on the riser, instead force it through the middle open area of the riser

Took that tip from Jay and it worked well. Also, Ace just started making their own risers and they fit perfectly.

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/products/products/shims-1-8 (https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/products/products/shims-1-8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 03, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Anyone with issues get a response from Ace yet? I just want a replacement pivot in hope's that mine was just a dud. Can't get them on email or IG. They certainly are active on social media though. With it blowing out within a week of some very non-aggressive skating I would hope it's something they would cover. My Riptide's are working fine, even if they don't hug the stem of the hanger like the Ace pivots do and seem to make them feel a bit more squirrely. I just wanted to go stock for a bit and see how it went.

P.S. I could see nothing weird going on in the pivot area of the baseplate. It seems my pivot was just defective or something and gave out.

P.S.S. Those talking about wheel-bite aren't kidding. Even after breaking them in I'm still nervous about deep carves. Something I don't recall being an issue with my classics. Still liking them, just need to get this pivot crap sorted and perhaps go back to 54mm wheels after stepping up to 56 w/risers.

I still haven’t heard back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on May 03, 2021, 09:43:32 AM
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Anyone with issues get a response from Ace yet? I just want a replacement pivot in hope's that mine was just a dud. Can't get them on email or IG. They certainly are active on social media though. With it blowing out within a week of some very non-aggressive skating I would hope it's something they would cover. My Riptide's are working fine, even if they don't hug the stem of the hanger like the Ace pivots do and seem to make them feel a bit more squirrely. I just wanted to go stock for a bit and see how it went.

P.S. I could see nothing weird going on in the pivot area of the baseplate. It seems my pivot was just defective or something and gave out.

P.S.S. Those talking about wheel-bite aren't kidding. Even after breaking them in I'm still nervous about deep carves. Something I don't recall being an issue with my classics. Still liking them, just need to get this pivot crap sorted and perhaps go back to 54mm wheels after stepping up to 56 w/risers.
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I still haven’t heard back.

So weird. on Friday I got a pair of gold AF1s delivered and they were missing an axle nut. I used their general inquiry form and heard back from them minutes later. Try that one maybe!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on May 03, 2021, 09:56:45 AM
Pivot cups are $.50...

The price isn’t the point. Also, they aren’t on their site. They only have the ones you get in the classics which aren’t the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 03, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tUSGEBL.jpg)

Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.

Turn seems even better than classics. I do get wheelbite much more easily though.

Got a set of 55s and 66s now and I do like the them but I am worried they made the pivot cups even worse instead of making them better. I don’t mind a busted pivot cup bushing as long as it works and doesn’t end up fucking up the baseplate. It does seem like there might be an issue here though and I hope they have a fix for it.

Not sure what to do with my AF1 55s and 66s now as I kinda bought them to test them out and the idea was to skate all my classics down first and only after that move to the AF1s. But if these are defective, I don’t think they’d respect a warranty claim 3 years from now. &#38;#129300;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 03, 2021, 10:06:38 AM
Not a good look for a $65 truck...

Is this a common thing with the AF1s at this point?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on May 03, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Not a good look for a $65 truck...

Is this a common thing with the AF1s at this point?

I checked both of mine and not seeing it yet, but yeah, definitely not rad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 03, 2021, 10:30:59 AM
Been delaying setting mine up but I think I better get it out the way just see how mine hold up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on May 03, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
After a week of skating a pair of AF1 55s, I had some  major clicking just by pressing my axles lightly with my hand but it disappeared quickly after more skating. So far everything is going well anf they're feeling a bit more firm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on May 03, 2021, 11:16:09 AM
Everyone is going to be examining their pivot cups with microscopes the next week. Myself included.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on May 03, 2021, 11:22:55 AM
Been skating Ace for 7 years now. I usually skate one pair a year or until they break.

Got the new 44 AF1s about 2 weeks ago and the metal is noticeably harder. Previous model had a softer and smoother grind and these new ones grind harder... more like Ventures. The turn is the just the same but the stock bushings are better. Usually swapped the old ones for bones hards but not anymore. Hoping the axles will hold up to the impacts, so far they are perfect.

I think this new model will grab even more of the market because the reasons not to ride Ace are dwindling
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 03, 2021, 11:24:45 AM
Just to keep pals in the loop. I just received an email about my pivot cups. The person was very polite and is sending replacement pivot cups. I sent a second warranty form not long ago before getting the response from ace  about the weird notch in the pivot cup cavity.

I hope the cavity having that notch isn’t what caused the pivot cup to bust so, fingers crossed the cavity is a non issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 03, 2021, 11:33:41 AM
My first set of aces which was like 5/6 years ago **obliterated** both pivot cups in less than 1 month. They went from amazing carve to turning like shit. And this comes from someone that never had any problems with pivot cups before (or after). I would expected them to have fixed this issue by this point.  ::) let’s see how the pivot cups hold up on my 77’s but doesn’t sound too promising from what’s been posted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 04, 2021, 12:45:31 AM
Tactics has the AF1s for $63-$66 now. Congrats everyone that got them for $50 lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 04, 2021, 01:57:15 AM
still no email from ace. thunders have been treating me good enough tho so i guess it’s not a total bust. might try again with warranty in the afternoon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 04, 2021, 05:01:21 AM
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Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

cheers
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Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.
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I’m pretty sure they’re a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube
While I’m too lazy to measure I’m running mine with 56mm wheels and haven’t died so it has to be taller hah
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rollbrettfetischist on May 04, 2021, 08:15:54 AM
After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition.  Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.

Street - not so much.  I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak.  Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.

I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail.  The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.

Not a quiver buster truck.  I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.

It may help, if you put your backfoot more towards the bolts. I cant skate some trucks/decks with my foot on the tip.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2021, 11:45:20 AM
Both Tensor and ML use hard as fuck plastic for their pivot cups, yet I've never cracked them (they do end up worn like every other cup, with lots of hotdog in a hallway wiggle room); they are always a higher quality than say the stock thunders or old stock indy.

How hard is it to get this right? It's either the geo fucking up the cups or shitty 'hand poured' cups are shit...Only time will tell how fast the AF1s start shredding through non-ACE cups...

My AF1s are still untouched; got injured (off the board) and I'm out for another week at min.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on May 04, 2021, 04:40:22 PM
Tactics has the AF1s for $63-$66 now. Congrats everyone that got them for $50 lol

wow, got em just in time
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 04, 2021, 10:39:22 PM
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After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition.  Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.

Street - not so much.  I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak.  Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.

I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail.  The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.

Not a quiver buster truck.  I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.
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It may help, if you put your backfoot more towards the bolts. I cant skate some trucks/decks with my foot on the tip.

Agreed- and that was already moving it in.  I skate all my mellow setups that way and more towards the edge on steep ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on May 05, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 05, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?

Never used this on a kingpin but have had to use them in a similar situation you're describing (think it was for something on a buddies dirtbike?), Anyway, split die, you place it underneath the damaged threads, then attach the wrench to start chasing the threads. Obviously you wont get a full thread near the damage point, but it'll catch, just have to be a bit more deliberate when fastening the nut.
https://www.threadtoolsupply.com/murray-tools-split-die-thread-repair-1-14.html
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skateguitars on May 05, 2021, 02:04:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tUSGEBL.jpg)

Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 05, 2021, 02:35:14 PM
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?

Yeah, I don't really get the point of the re-threading tool. If it's significantly damaged and you can only access it from one side, you will typically need split-rethreading tool. The included tool is better than nothing, but handing skaters a thread chasing tool with no cutting oil, no lever, and presumably no experience operating such a tool just means you're going to end up with a lot of cross-threaded (and still equally useless) axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 05, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
I would be very interested to see how the pivot cups failed. When you guys get your replacements, if you could post some decent quality photos of the destroyed ones, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 05, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
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So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?
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Yeah, I don't really get the point of the re-threading tool. If it's significantly damaged and you can only access it from one side, you will typically need split-rethreading tool. The included tool is better than nothing, but handing skaters a thread chasing tool with no cutting oil, no lever, and presumably no experience operating such a tool just means you're going to end up with a lot of cross-threaded (and still equally useless) axles.

I ate shit recently due to my front hanger falling off during a manual with a speed check (oddly enough I had just adjusted one truck and then went to check the other...and due to riding a TT I didn't even think to check 'to check' I was checking the same truck...which I did)...kingping went straight into the sidewalk and got fucked; having picked up the ACE tool for this reason, I can it works fine but I don't think it's going to do anything the scenario mentioned, that's just new kingpin/Bplate/truck time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 05, 2021, 10:50:54 PM
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Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
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I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stock ones as well as riptides break on me in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 06, 2021, 04:31:26 AM
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Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
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I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
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it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stick ones as well as riptides break on my in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.

I’m thinking it’s something with where the pivot cup sits or the geo. Because how weird is it that at this point everyone’s pivot cup that busted  (mine included ) is all just the front truck. Like we all just got one bad pivot in our set of trucks and all just so happen to use the bad one as the front? Or there’s an issue with the geo and pressure on the front truck we all are doing that busts the pivot. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on May 06, 2021, 09:26:03 AM
I’m thinking it’s something with where the pivot cup sits or the geo. Because how weird is it that at this point everyone’s pivot cup that busted  (mine included ) is all just the front truck. Like we all just got one bad pivot in our set of trucks and all just so happen to use the bad one as the front? Or there’s an issue with the geo and pressure on the front truck we all are doing that busts the pivot.
more stress is incurred on the front truck during steering than the back. if you were to skate your board backwards, the other pivot cup would soon go bye-bye as well
it's got to be a geometry issue, though. one that i was hoping they'd fix in the af1's. am big disappoint :'(
why, ace?
WHY?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 06, 2021, 09:40:21 AM
The price of  'the turn.'

I never had pivot cups prematurely blow out in the classics.

But when I have worn out pivot cups in any truck, I kind of like that fucked up, loose rattle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
The price of  'the turn.'

Agree on that...but while pivot cup costs are nothing cost-wise to keep replacing to get 'the turn' they shouldn't be blowing out in the first week (depending on how much you skate) and certainly not the first few fucking sessions.

If they were prototyping with pros/pilots don't you think it would have cropped up once or twice?

Fucking pivotgate.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2021, 11:29:27 AM
So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dancing on May 06, 2021, 02:30:36 PM
has me thinking about the potential for a well designed dual-durometer pivot cup with some kind of hard plastic reinforcement, you'd have to do it right though because I imagine that a more complicated design like that could introduce new pathways for failure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 06, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?

Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 06, 2021, 04:18:53 PM
has me thinking about the potential for a well designed dual-durometer pivot cup with some kind of hard plastic reinforcement, you'd have to do it right though because I imagine that a more complicated design like that could introduce new pathways for failure

Hard on the outside, soft inner? probably tricky to do that with as much direct pain pivot cups get (tho they do it with wheels).

Coming from 159 Forged Hollow and Tensor ATG Maglights, I set these ACE 55s up on and 8.5 and fuck me the board is heavy/tankish.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
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Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).

No idea. I just know that Ace were based on Stage III Indys. Don't know if the Classics are an exact clone of that model, or if the new ones mimic Stage VII or VIII.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 06, 2021, 04:58:23 PM
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So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?
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Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).
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No idea. I just know that Ace were based on Stage III Indys. Don't know if the Classics are an exact clone of that model, or if the new ones mimic Stage VII or VIII.

Fair enough. Worth noting that original Theeve's (the skinny hanger) used Ace baseplates and didn't have issues with the cups. They did blow out bushings pretty terribly, but that's a different story. I'm curious if the pivot issue is less a geo thing and more consistently using way too soft materials to maintain "the turn." DLX, and pre-China NHS use way harder pivot material than the Classics, and given the AF1 pivots can be mushed together with your fingers, I wouldn't see it improving the issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on May 06, 2021, 05:03:18 PM
it's a geometry issue. i've seen reports of and have experienced riptides tearing in the classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 06, 2021, 05:26:27 PM
Someone DM Rick Blackhart (like a man) and see why Indy dropped the stage III geo.

Jokes aside, that's a bummer if the geometry is causing it, not an easily rectified thing. Never had issue with the pivots in my Classics, but I know that problem existed there too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dancing on May 06, 2021, 05:46:22 PM
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Hard on the outside, soft inner? probably tricky to do that with as much direct pain pivot cups get (tho they do it with wheels).

Coming from 159 Forged Hollow and Tensor ATG Maglights, I set these ACE 55s up on and 8.5 and fuck me the board is heavy/tankish.

Yeah, I bet it's possible with the right design and materials. Might just end up turning to mush inside the hard plastic reinforcement the same way it does in the pivot cup divot, though. If the reinforcement was urethane, but harder, it might have enough give to keep the ride quality of the soft cups as well as stopping them from failing like they seem to be inclined to do with this current design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: furieruzu on May 06, 2021, 09:01:22 PM
I still haven't heard back from Ace regarding the pivot cup issue. Used the contact form on their site twice. This week I've been breaking-in my 33's. Front pivot is beginning to mush out like others here, at least it didn't split like the one on my 44's. Also, the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something. Either way, I'm starting to have buyer's remorse. If I had known I was going to have to automatically swap out the garbage pivots for Riptide's and have such enhanced wheel-bite then I'd have just stuck with Thunder, which I find a lot more stable than the AF1's. The more I use them the more I notice every aspect of my skating, other than carving while cruising seeming to suffer. I'm going to stick with them for awhile but if I can't get used to them or get them dialed-in to how I like then I'll be offloading these to some young kids who can recover from wheel-bite bails much quicker than I can.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mzlzzz on May 06, 2021, 09:38:51 PM
the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.

The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Maxi205 on May 06, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 06, 2021, 10:40:59 PM
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the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.
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The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.

As said, yes it is usually the metal washers moving against the kingpin, more often than not being the point between the bottom washer and baseplate, or the top washer and kingpin nut.

Things I have seen done with what seemed like permanent success include putting tape round the kingpin up to the point just under where the nut goes on and putting something on the washers / between washers and baseplate / kingpin nut, either tape or even something else, but the tape around the kingpin stops all that movement better than anything else.

After changing over bushings and metal washers it can sometimes come or go a lot more, which is curious, but can also happen on brand new trucks too, often depending on how much the nut is tightened down, as it is the force of turning that puts pressure on the bushings and nut to the point it moves ever so slightly, causing the click sound from side to side.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 07, 2021, 05:00:47 AM
I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)

I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kevve on May 07, 2021, 05:16:35 AM
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the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.
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The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.
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As said, yes it is usually the metal washers moving against the kingpin, more often than not being the point between the bottom washer and baseplate, or the top washer and kingpin nut.

Things I have seen done with what seemed like permanent success include putting tape round the kingpin up to the point just under where the nut goes on and putting something on the washers / between washers and baseplate / kingpin nut, either tape or even something else, but the tape around the kingpin stops all that movement better than anything else.

After changing over bushings and metal washers it can sometimes come or go a lot more, which is curious, but can also happen on brand new trucks too, often depending on how much the nut is tightened down, as it is the force of turning that puts pressure on the bushings and nut to the point it moves ever so slightly, causing the click sound from side to side.

Seems like the clicking is just a new truck issue? If not, a little tightning of the kingpin and or the tape thing sounds like the sulotion. Also Ace & thunder seems to be the polar opposites in geo so i can Imagine its a big change coming from thunder.

Im so stoked to setup my af1s on the cruiser. I've only ridden the classics a handfull of times but boy do they turn good.

How do you guys go about breaking them in? I remember reading about the classics that its best to ride them at stock tightness for some time before tightning it down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 07, 2021, 07:56:38 AM
Clicking should go away. I've had it with most of my Classics (and other brand trucks). Lasted a few sessions at most.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 07, 2021, 08:16:02 AM
@furieruzu  try filling out the form again. I filled it out 3 different times and the last time I got a reply. And the guy was super nice that emailed me and got my pivot cups yesterday.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 07, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.

I did pretty much 70% frontside slappies on curbs until mine blew out. I’ve also been told that I do my frontside slappies with “way too much force”.

I’ve also blown out pivot cup bushings in Ace classics like 4+ times before the trucks are done. Still, this is a new record for me for the pivot cup bushings to start looking like shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on May 07, 2021, 09:13:31 PM
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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.

Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on May 08, 2021, 01:22:09 AM
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the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.
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The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.
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As said, yes it is usually the metal washers moving against the kingpin, more often than not being the point between the bottom washer and baseplate, or the top washer and kingpin nut.

Things I have seen done with what seemed like permanent success include putting tape round the kingpin up to the point just under where the nut goes on and putting something on the washers / between washers and baseplate / kingpin nut, either tape or even something else, but the tape around the kingpin stops all that movement better than anything else.

After changing over bushings and metal washers it can sometimes come or go a lot more, which is curious, but can also happen on brand new trucks too, often depending on how much the nut is tightened down, as it is the force of turning that puts pressure on the bushings and nut to the point it moves ever so slightly, causing the click sound from side to side.
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Seems like the clicking is just a new truck issue? If not, a little tightning of the kingpin and or the tape thing sounds like the sulotion. Also Ace & thunder seems to be the polar opposites in geo so i can Imagine its a big change coming from thunder.

Im so stoked to setup my af1s on the cruiser. I've only ridden the classics a handfull of times but boy do they turn good.

How do you guys go about breaking them in? I remember reading about the classics that its best to ride them at stock tightness for some time before tightning it down.

That clicking sounds like its the top bushing popping out from under which is a common fault on the classics. Just take the top washer off and swap it for a bones one or without a washer. Problem solved.

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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
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Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.

Why? Just stick some riptide pivot cups in and voila. No brainer...


 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on May 08, 2021, 08:00:48 AM
 
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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
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Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.

Why? Just stick some riptide pivot cups in and voila. No brainer...
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I dunno. I feel like spending like $20 on pivot cups seems excessive.
Like I blow out pivot cups on the regular aces every week to 2 weeks so by having the AF1s blow out I’m just not into it. I don’t want to have to tinker and mess with my trucks every other week.
I think for me personally it’s just how I skate and the geometry of the truck with ace just puts a lot of stress on the cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 08, 2021, 08:22:42 AM
Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet son of a bitch on May 08, 2021, 09:01:23 AM

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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
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Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
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Why? Just stick some riptide pivot cups in and voila. No brainer...

I dunno. I feel like spending like $20 on pivot cups seems excessive.
Like I blow out pivot cups on the regular aces every week to 2 weeks so by having the AF1s blow out I’m just not into it. I don’t want to have to tinker and mess with my trucks every other week.
I think for me personally it’s just how I skate and the geometry of the truck with ace just puts a lot of stress on the cups.
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That’s what you get for breaking the rules of putting new trucks on old board . You haven’t skated ace in over a year . You been riding venture / Indy .
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 08, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
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Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.

Makes me wonder if the new pivot cups need some time to break in similar to bushings. My first day on them was some light ledge skating and flatground. No curbs until I probably had 4 sessions on them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dancing on May 08, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
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I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
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I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.

Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
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Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
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Makes me wonder if the new pivot cups need some time to break in similar to bushings. My first day on them was some light ledge skating and flatground. No curbs until I probably had 4 sessions on them

I was thinking the same thing, like I feel like hitting slappies right away might be an issue if the cups aren't broken in a bit with some more mellow skating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on May 08, 2021, 02:48:58 PM
Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.

I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 08, 2021, 03:09:14 PM
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Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
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I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.

Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on May 09, 2021, 08:21:26 AM
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Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
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I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
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Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.

A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.

Are flat washers worth buying?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 10:29:33 AM
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Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
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I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
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Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.
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A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.

Are flat washers worth buying?

Depends on what you are after?

Flat washers allow the most distortion (especially sideways) of the bushing. If you ride loose flat is the way to go (especially before you try no washers at all).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 09, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
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Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
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I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
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Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.
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A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.

Are flat washers worth buying?
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Depends on what you are after?

Flat washers allow the most distortion (especially sideways) of the bushing. If you ride loose flat is the way to go (especially before you try no washers at all).

Xen with the knowledge! @laterskater I'd say since you like em loose, it wouldn't be a bad idea to try them. I run them on top since it allows that extra movement described above, and am experimenting with nothin on bottom. Goin bottomless. Feels good, feels free :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on May 09, 2021, 12:19:03 PM
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Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
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I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
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Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.
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A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.

Are flat washers worth buying?

I'd already remove the bottom washer from my 55 classic but my kingpin nuts were still falling off. So i went ahead and bought some flat washers coming with the bones bushings. Best decision i've made so far ahah :)) I'm 160lbs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
I use these:

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 09, 2021, 02:11:49 PM
I use these:

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).

I think I want to give these a try on my AF1 55’s. The constant clicking of the stock washer is maddening. 

They fit the Ace bushings well?

Have you tried their machined cupped washers? I’m hoping one of these types of washers will improve the feel of the AF1’s for me.   

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
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I use these:

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).
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I think I want to give these a try on my AF1 55’s. The constant clicking of the stock washer is maddening. 

They fit the Ace bushings well?

Have you tried their machined cupped washers? I’m hoping one of these types of washers will improve the feel of the AF1’s for me.   



They fit ACE bushings just fine! I've not tried the cupped washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on May 09, 2021, 05:43:35 PM
I use these:

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).

I’m going to give these a try, thanks!

“Gives that bones action with any bushing” - sounds incredible, immediately sold.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 09, 2021, 06:13:40 PM
I use these:

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack

Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).

Damn man, I've been wanting something like this for years. I thought about having some of my machinist friends make them for me, but I didn't even know where to start. Price is decent for a small batch machined product like this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 06:41:51 PM
Those washers and the dual.duro.ace bushings (low top, reg bottom) + riptides make Indy/venture feel great, best I could get the venture to feel.

I ride loose but don't like slop so flat washers and low top bushings work wonders. I almost always use bones tops or these sleeved washers with conicals...dual sleeved small washers in thunders....are so worth it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 11:29:13 AM
First Session on them, 20 minutes into it and the cup started getting fucked up. Pics are from a 1hr 45min session:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jDOdmG5w4snOsATMSINNi41mDOpX7QlKhhAnFV_7QIEp_DNqQHiXf_BYW9Epx01pVPkRe4kvb3wavgxzea1hF9TnH7C3Sz6gwnUGJghujxCkPp1kCDAVU369tJFVtaIMODZGusk2Cf0=w2400)

The culprit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ItM_fU2sdfi2tWVAYmRKsSU3juogf2J1eD4NbGgTBM_5jhG3TYzU6pc6GIxRtd9tpgtS5x1lKgu56IOd4CRXnOyydNZc9LD4zcQ68w3V6eipXhpdTqRgNw_qVFSKAH1NCgcB4c6z-3E=w2400)

Someone else posted the exact same issue, it's a flaw in the pivot cavity (I assume it's there to begin with and not something that deforms first skate); it's not rounded/smooth so when you lean into that area it's going to deform/cut the cup leading to it blowing out.

I'm over it, heavy low-tech truck with continued shitty QC.

That said, that turn is sooo on point (I loosened them a turn or so to get the nut flush as I had threads showing stock), zero break in or adjustment, they feel that good. Grind-wise they felt fine, harder than classics and out of the gate, dare I say smoother/easier to grind than Indy/Thunder/Venture.

Oh well, back to Indy/Tensor.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 10, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
First Session on them, 20 minutes into it and the cup started getting fucked up. Pics are from a 1hr 45min session:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jDOdmG5w4snOsATMSINNi41mDOpX7QlKhhAnFV_7QIEp_DNqQHiXf_BYW9Epx01pVPkRe4kvb3wavgxzea1hF9TnH7C3Sz6gwnUGJghujxCkPp1kCDAVU369tJFVtaIMODZGusk2Cf0=w2400)

The culprit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ItM_fU2sdfi2tWVAYmRKsSU3juogf2J1eD4NbGgTBM_5jhG3TYzU6pc6GIxRtd9tpgtS5x1lKgu56IOd4CRXnOyydNZc9LD4zcQ68w3V6eipXhpdTqRgNw_qVFSKAH1NCgcB4c6z-3E=w2400)

Someone else posted the exact same issue, it's a flaw in the pivot cavity (I assume it's there to begin with and not something that deforms first skate); it's not rounded/smooth so when you lean into that area it's going to deform/cut the cup leading to it blowing out.

I'm over it, heavy low-tech truck with continued shitty QC.

That said, that turn is sooo on point (I loosened them a turn or so to get the nut flush as I had threads showing stock), zero break in or adjustment, they feel that good. Grind-wise they felt fine, harder than classics and out of the gate, dare I say smoother/easier to grind than Indy/Thunder/Venture.

Oh well, back to Indy/Tensor.

Bummer. I skated my AFs for about a week and then went back my classics, which I prefer overall. When I get home I'm going to look and see if the pivot cavity is deformed at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on May 10, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
Anyone try a classic baseplate with AF1 hanger yet?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 12:11:32 PM
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First Session on them, 20 minutes into it and the cup started getting fucked up. Pics are from a 1hr 45min session:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jDOdmG5w4snOsATMSINNi41mDOpX7QlKhhAnFV_7QIEp_DNqQHiXf_BYW9Epx01pVPkRe4kvb3wavgxzea1hF9TnH7C3Sz6gwnUGJghujxCkPp1kCDAVU369tJFVtaIMODZGusk2Cf0=w2400)

The culprit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ItM_fU2sdfi2tWVAYmRKsSU3juogf2J1eD4NbGgTBM_5jhG3TYzU6pc6GIxRtd9tpgtS5x1lKgu56IOd4CRXnOyydNZc9LD4zcQ68w3V6eipXhpdTqRgNw_qVFSKAH1NCgcB4c6z-3E=w2400)

Someone else posted the exact same issue, it's a flaw in the pivot cavity (I assume it's there to begin with and not something that deforms first skate); it's not rounded/smooth so when you lean into that area it's going to deform/cut the cup leading to it blowing out.

I'm over it, heavy low-tech truck with continued shitty QC.

That said, that turn is sooo on point (I loosened them a turn or so to get the nut flush as I had threads showing stock), zero break in or adjustment, they feel that good. Grind-wise they felt fine, harder than classics and out of the gate, dare I say smoother/easier to grind than Indy/Thunder/Venture.

Oh well, back to Indy/Tensor.
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Bummer. I skated my AFs for about a week and then went back my classics, which I prefer overall. When I get home I'm going to look and see if the pivot cavity is deformed at all.

I should note that the cup is not blown out, but being sliced up by the deformity in the plate, but clearly continued use will just shred the fuck out the cup. I reached out them via insta and they directed me to their contact page...even with clearly deformed cavity the answer was a pivot cup issue (with the pour) not the baseplate...it's plain as day....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 10, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
New frontiers in blowing it on a huge, hyped up product launch from Ace. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
New frontiers in blowing it on a huge, hyped up product launch from Ace. 

I'm pretty forgiving, products have defects and I'm guessing that it isn't widespread but I've seen the cavity deformity in another post in this thread so clearly there is a run out there that's fucked up...and really it isn't surprising coming from ACE.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 10, 2021, 02:34:16 PM
I’m still riding the classics, but I have the same issue with the nick in the pivot cavity causing my pivot cups to go to shit. Pair that with the loose kingpin and it makes for some squirrely situations when going fast.

That said, I’m still riding them and I’ve learned to deal with it. It’s an annoyance, but by no means catastrophic failure. It beats getting new trucks.

Not shitting on Ace either, they’re by far the best feeling truck out there. Would be nice if they had better QC though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 10, 2021, 02:50:43 PM
Really glad I don't have the machining error on the pivot cavities on either truck in my set of AF1's... would have been very bummed after all the anticipation
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 10, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
they sent you another set of baseplates  or another set of pivot cups? they just  sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 03:14:06 PM
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Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
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they sent you another set of baseplates  or another set of pivot cups? they just  sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issue

Another pair of AF1 55s and extra cups "for good measure"...baseplates that aren't fucked would have also been fine+new cups.

My guess is if you say my cups are fucked, they'll shoot you over new cups, hell of a lot cheaper than new trucks. If you have the plate issues I'd take some photos and get after them. I know @Murge had the exact issue I did before I set mine up.

I'm dismantling the replacement set to make sure there's not machining issues before I skate them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 10, 2021, 04:06:18 PM
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Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
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they sent you another set of baseplates  or another set of pivot cups? they just  sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issue
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Another pair of AF1 55s and extra cups "for good measure"...baseplates that aren't fucked would have also been fine+new cups.

My guess is if you say my cups are fucked, they'll shoot you over new cups, hell of a lot cheaper than new trucks. If you have the plate issues I'd take some photos and get after them. I know @Murge had the exact issue I did before I set mine up.

I'm dismantling the replacement set to make sure there's not machining issues before I skate them.

That’s exactly what mine looked like. The nick on mine was smooth and not sharp almost like a dent. I only had one on the front truck. But they just sent me 4 pivot cups (2 sets) and a bunch of stickers. I did get them in the mail in only a few days. When I replaced the pivot cup I replaced the back truck  pivot cup too. The back truck seemed fine and so did the pivot cup cavity. I skated on them for an hour or 2 and haven’t had another issue but I only got that one session in after changing the pivot cups. The replacement cups did seem harder than the stock ones.

Did ace send you a new baseplate @Xen? If so I’m gonna try and get a new baseplate too! Haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 05:29:56 PM
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Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
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they sent you another set of baseplates  or another set of pivot cups? they just  sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issue
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Another pair of AF1 55s and extra cups "for good measure"...baseplates that aren't fucked would have also been fine+new cups.

My guess is if you say my cups are fucked, they'll shoot you over new cups, hell of a lot cheaper than new trucks. If you have the plate issues I'd take some photos and get after them. I know @Murge had the exact issue I did before I set mine up.

I'm dismantling the replacement set to make sure there's not machining issues before I skate them.
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That’s exactly what mine looked like. The nick on mine was smooth and not sharp almost like a dent. I only had one on the front truck. But they just sent me 4 pivot cups (2 sets) and a bunch of stickers. I did get them in the mail in only a few days. When I replaced the pivot cup I replaced the back truck  pivot cup too. The back truck seemed fine and so did the pivot cup cavity. I skated on them for an hour or 2 and haven’t had another issue but I only got that one session in after changing the pivot cups. The replacement cups did seem harder than the stock ones.

Did ace send you a new baseplate @Xen? If so I’m gonna try and get a new baseplate too! Haha

They said they were sending a new pair of 55s and extra cups.

I’m going to skate the borked set but rotate the cups as a test case even tho I can already predict the outcome.

After the emails I got another response on Instagram that’s said it was a "known finishing issue and has since been corrected".... nothing like sending known issues out to the masses....

EDIT: @Murge just got a UPS notification that they are to be delivered tomorrow. That's good CS right there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GlenSuggittsflexfit on May 10, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
I skate the classics and my kingpins always come loose. I have jb welded them but that only lasts a couple weeks then back to the rattle. Has anyone had an issue with this with the af1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 06:58:47 PM
I skate the classics and my kingpins always come loose. I have jb welded them but that only lasts a couple weeks then back to the rattle. Has anyone had an issue with this with the af1s?

Not sure anyone here has put in enough hours yet? I'm hopeful the issue was rectified with hard metal?

Another thing I noted today on my first skate of the AF1s, they made my board sound dead (as some others have reported). I was running a new, never skated crispy Madness R7 board (epoxy/dwindle/DSM) these are always stiff and loud when you tap on crete/ollie them, paired with 101 Rictas (chattery wheels)+dry AF Spitfire classics bearings (these things are so damn fast I don't bother swapping to swiss six) that had play (not tightened to be snug) and skated on shitty terrain - with any other trucks it would have been tinny/rattly sounding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on May 10, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
Xen, good lord, that last photo.... Looks like someone went at with a hand drill and a wood bit, no pivot cup is surviving that shit. Good to hear it's not a universal issue (and that they took care of you), manufacturing fuck ups happen and all, but that's pretty rough...literally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2021, 08:11:47 PM
Xen, good lord, that last photo.... Looks like someone went at with a hand drill and a wood bit, no pivot cup is surviving that shit. Good to hear it's not a universal issue (and that they took care of you), manufacturing fuck ups happen and all, but that's pretty rough...literally.

I know right? At first the images I sent were the first I posted here, which didn't really show the issue (just the nick) so they're all "we'll get you some new pivot cups, send your address", then I sent them the second batch and said, yeah the machining is off look at these pics...then they were like "oh snap, yeah, I see that". Super friendly and responsive CS over at Mesa Dist. - I'll report back tomorrow once the second set arrives.

The inner 'drill marks' don't seem to be the issue, they're smooth, it's the dent...hanger leans into that spot and pushes/deforms the cup into it; it's not smooth so it catches (you can feel it run when you run your finger over it. I'm assuming that's what the other truck wasn't affected because the dent is smaller and smooth. I'm going to file it down and put a spot of JB weld in there, rotate the cup and give it half an hour or so on some slappies.

That's shit QC tho, we can all see it, surely someone slacked off or the level of acceptable is just shit in the factory.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 11, 2021, 08:37:49 AM
Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.

I took some better pics:

Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)

Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)

Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)

Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)

ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).

If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.

Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.

I appreciate the photos. I was interested in seeing the pivot cups because I figured that the issue was going to be something external cutting into the cup, since the process of making an 8mm plastic cup is a lot simpler and easier to do than boring a perfectly smooth hole for it to sit in.

Hopefully this is just a stumbling block for Ace and they're able to get new baseplates out to everyone affected. It doesn't seem to be too widespread, because I know a couple of people who rushed out to buy AF1s and they have had no issues, but then again, the average Slap reader is probably paying more attention than most.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 11, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WplDNSB.jpg)

Here’s the front truck pivot cavity from my 66s I posted about earlier.

(https://i.imgur.com/e2exNmh.jpg)
And the busted pivot cup bushing.

Cavity looks more dented than poorly machined. Back truck cavity and bushing was fine as were both on my 55s.

I’ll send Ace a message about this and see what comes of it. I’ll skate the trucks normally until then though. Can’t be bothered changing the shit up as it still all works fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 11, 2021, 12:29:55 PM
Isn’t that dent done by the hanger digging into it? Like when carving deep the part that goes into the pivot slams the sides and creates the dent. I remember a few years back in my first set of aces 33 the pivot cavity was getting wider and turning oval with a lot of wiggle room. They actually started turning like shit after that. Then I got axle slip on both trucks a bit after and gave them away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 11, 2021, 12:33:38 PM
Has anyone tried the old  base plates with the new hangers and bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on May 11, 2021, 01:10:37 PM
Has anyone tried the old  base plates with the new hangers and bushings?
I asked a few posts up. Still no takers I guess.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toey jershay on May 11, 2021, 01:22:15 PM
always first...to have an issue. god damn ace, how embarrassing after all the hype. some of you guys might need to switch to krux or something that's gender non-conforming, too. joey t been posting anti-israel and anti-vax stuff on his stories. ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on May 11, 2021, 02:19:54 PM
always first...to have an issue. god damn ace, how embarrassing after all the hype. some of you guys might need to switch to krux or something that's gender non-conforming, too. joey t been posting anti-israel and anti-vax stuff on his stories. ;D

Ace stuff aside, because I dont care and I'm not having a problem with mine, you're a fucking kook of the highest order. The saddest part is you're probably a guy in at least their mid-30s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on May 11, 2021, 03:09:20 PM
It seems pretty clear that Ace may have screwed more than a few pooches in the QC dept with this roll out.
It’s even more clear that username Toey Jershay = Rhino.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Christmas Complete on May 11, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
It seems pretty clear that Ace may have screwed more than a few pooches in the QC dept with this roll out.
It’s even more clear that username Toey Jershay = Rhino.

Someone should film themselves throwing a tantrum in the parking lot of Ace headquarters

#FuckAceTrucks #neverbuyingfromacetrucksagain
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 11, 2021, 03:38:54 PM
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It seems pretty clear that Ace may have screwed more than a few pooches in the QC dept with this roll out.
It’s even more clear that username Toey Jershay = Rhino.
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Someone should film themselves throwing a tantrum in the parking lot of Ace headquarters

#FuckAceTrucks #neverbuyingfromacetrucksagain

I thought you were talking about Ace Hardware for a minute and I was like, damn, that guy's gonna run out of hardware stores to get pissed at.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
Replacements arrived today (one day shipping) along with some other goodies!

Took them apart and the machining is WAAAAAY better...however, there is still a slight 'nick' or 'pit' this time, on the left side of each plate, I don't think it will cause any issues tho as it's smoother and much much smaller...still...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VqG3Te8Z33jJ49ZqdXwj40ZU8r76C0Sx4KuAQt12PI2qnxEp1Ae5GsiMJkwyQ2nUg4LOOeIkTHg_RM8INwDhoIYJuoeSMX0Bo7yBxctFkP5XX-6dlJsMSAtJk4NxxsoL9nyWKLeoGM0=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/72mJIWeZzb3ryKnIHd7qh_CPr29eN6iBTxRAJerVqGOJgNZbpwf381GV3VrLgNIckvyoHNyyPpMFU5xvPPbtNeH-0tdMD25RtYLvMZajlBBaQG04kD_nW1DGKtlvbVTHEzlRrj4hNQE=w2400)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/V9luOpTOdNHjS4y162el_3CPZEJhodYoOpMl5NB7x60NWVtmriR7Dy1C5h4nCMpp3osIzbfqsz7eXSZIgFi63VwFQ_H-9IM0F2UujRMoL5wUFQbYhZzNfJLJbyYkXVOFPYFdqgb9Eu8=w2400)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 11, 2021, 08:11:42 PM
Isn’t that dent done by the hanger digging into it? Like when carving deep the part that goes into the pivot slams the sides and creates the dent. I remember a few years back in my first set of aces 33 the pivot cavity was getting wider and turning oval with a lot of wiggle room. They actually started turning like shit after that. Then I got axle slip on both trucks a bit after and gave them away.

I was thinking about that but I dunno how it could have happened. Maybe before the bushings hardened, which I thought was BS but they’re definitely much harder now than the first few sessions.

I do run the trucks as loose as possible and with 54mm wheels and 1/8” risers, so they do turn deep.

The dent is at the toe side though which is definitely getting less such forces in my normal skating. I guess it could have been a single messed up slappy or something though. &#129300;

I should have inspected the pivot stem when I took the trucks apart. Maybe I’ll do that later on and check if there are any markings on the stem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2021, 08:30:54 PM
I checked each pivot stem, no barbs, smooth as could be.

I too, thought it might be something that happened from skating them as I don't recall seeing the nick/divot/whatever when I first got them; as big as it is, I would assume I would have caught it...but in my pic where I rotated the pivot cup section that was shredded, clearly the pivot cavity flaw was/is visible and I should have seen it...

So they're either present to start (which my second pair semi-confirm since I can see the flaw, albeit smaller) and / or they get bigger somehow after skating them...I mean, I saw mine after 20 min of skating...cup was already chewed and that was JUST boardslides to warm up. I don't think the metal there is soft to deform like that from skating....if so surely some pilots surely had this happen?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on May 14, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 14, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
I saw that and it made me to commit to finally setting up my AF1 55s and 66s.... I've got to know...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on May 14, 2021, 11:24:51 AM
I saw that and it made me to commit to finally setting up my AF1 55s and 66s.... I've got to know...

I reverted back to my classics for the time being. I liked em better and I want to finish them off before I decide whether or not to strap my AF1 66s back up or buy another set of classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on May 14, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
that was filmed and editted like stallion, also cant ronnie get some shorter hardware?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on May 14, 2021, 03:40:21 PM
The price of  'the turn.'

I never had pivot cups prematurely blow out in the classics.

But when I have worn out pivot cups in any truck, I kind of like that fucked up, loose rattle.

I do like the loose rattle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on May 14, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54

Damn, that last 55-seconds or so. My ass would've been dizzy at that point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 14, 2021, 09:50:28 PM
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54

How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin?  ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 14, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
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Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
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How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin?  ???

At some point in the vid they were doing a check on the trucks and I swear he had different bushings in. I used to run venture tops on my Ace classics to get the super rattly loose as an experiment so maybe he changed bushings before starting?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on May 14, 2021, 10:04:21 PM
How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin?  ???

No boardside washers, and to me they seem like darkened old bushings. Maybe even low top?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on May 14, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
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Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!

Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
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How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin?  ???

I couldn’t exactly see how his bushings were but the only guess I have is maybe he shaved them. What I do to mines is I cut them. Both top and bottom. I can’t answer how many threads I have showing because I’m using an inverted on my Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 14, 2021, 10:28:46 PM
Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.

Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.

Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).

I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.


(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 15, 2021, 12:19:39 AM
Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.

Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.

Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).

I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.


(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)

Amazing. Thanks for the screenshot and breakdown.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 15, 2021, 02:14:08 AM
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Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.

Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.

Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).

I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.


(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
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Amazing. Thanks for the screenshot and breakdown.

Yeah, that’s some great investigative work right there! Kudos Mbrimson88!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on May 15, 2021, 04:55:08 AM
Sorry if this has been asked, does the af1 have higher axle height compared to the classic ace or is it the same height?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 15, 2021, 06:22:07 AM

I saw this and thought it relevant.

The screen grab is crazy for how much the truck hanger moves, but the video showing the rattle is better (second frame).


https://www.instagram.com/p/CO3HCN5MeWZ/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 16, 2021, 04:40:54 AM
Dunno about the durability of the AF1s but the kingpin clearance sure could be better.
(https://i.ibb.co/6B1Gncn/0-EF6168-C-14-E1-4-C1-D-BDC0-EB4-D60-CCCD49.jpg)

These trucks are two weeks old. Granted I’ve done a lot of slappies and broke in a whole bunch of unpainted curbs. But I guess a lower kingpin would compromise the turn. An inverted one with the same space for the bushings might be the best option but no such luck.

I have been liking these trucks a lot. Maybe they could be a bit more unstable in the middle for easier turning when pushing. I did bump up to a shaped 9.25” board and AF1 66s from a 8.38” popsicle and classic 44s so it’s a bit of an apples to oranges comparison anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 16, 2021, 06:19:28 AM
Two weeks @Roisto ?! Nicely done.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on May 16, 2021, 07:14:15 AM
Two weeks @Roisto ?! Nicely done.
This man is setting the example of a super shalom lifestyle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on May 16, 2021, 09:42:44 AM
Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.

Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.

Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).

I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.


(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)


What wheels are those? Radials?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mulldrifter on May 16, 2021, 11:32:26 AM
i would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
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What wheels are those? Radials?

i would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.

I'm riding 54mm Conical Fulls and they are nowhere near that rounded.

Look like Radials to me?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0563/1361/products/3-24-21spitfirewheelformulafourconical54mm97DU.jpg?v=1616612031)(https://cdn.ccs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/550x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/8/8/888560146631-2.1521552688.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 16, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
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What wheels are those? Radials?
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i would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.
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I'm riding 54mm Conical Fulls and they are nowhere near that rounded.

Look like Radials to me.

My 53mm Radials are wide. But not as wide as these wheels here. Someone should DM him like a man. ^^
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 16, 2021, 12:25:30 PM
Judging by that video Ron is not a man to indulge in equipment chat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ManimalChin on May 16, 2021, 01:23:27 PM
I took the pivot cup out to check the damage. It was just the top area. But I noticed where the damage on the pivot cup is the exact place the pivot cup cavity(?) hole has a weird ding or is out of round in that spot. I then put the pivot cup back so the damage is not in the same out of round area of the cavity to see if I get damage in that spot again. To see if the out of round is causing it. Sorry the pictures are out of order below.

(https://i.ibb.co/HTxfhW2/0-C060059-92-AB-4295-B1-BD-9-F73-D28-ECBDB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTxfhW2) (https://i.ibb.co/Qc0xy58/9858-F4-EC-4495-4002-AF75-FFAA75392056.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qc0xy58) (https://i.ibb.co/C9fJvTQ/8681-AFA3-CF65-49-FC-AF9-B-804793-DB212-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C9fJvTQ) (https://i.ibb.co/Tkd4TDc/F0-B72-E9-E-6-E2-A-4-BFD-9408-4-ABF55095096.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tkd4TDc) (https://i.ibb.co/fvsxHkf/92-BC9-F52-33-E6-4-D79-86-A6-8-E4073-BD79-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvsxHkf) (https://i.ibb.co/dbYCmtz/5-B7-D977-C-22-DF-4-F30-9-F2-F-FDA3-AD254-F6-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbYCmtz) (https://i.ibb.co/MVy8bxG/5-C97-BE66-96-D1-4-C6-B-9-FF0-6-E825-A24059-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MVy8bxG) (https://i.ibb.co/2s9SGrj/70358318-85-B3-4-FCE-B117-4-E70365-B8363.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2s9SGrj)




So I had my second session on my AF1s. After taking the pivot cup out to check how busted it was (not as bad as I thought). The first like 20 minutes of skating I had a clicking noise and it drove me nuts. Then after that first 20min I think the bushings firmed up enough and I loosened them had a lot of fun with them and by the end I didn’t notice them clicking and was intentionally trying to get them to and at that point the clicking stopped. Idk if it stopped for good but at some point on that session it stopped.  My verdict is still out but the last little bit of that session I would put them over the classics. But I’m still skeptical.

Also I have a video of me making them click by hand after setting them back up. If that’s something you guys may find useful.

Sorry if I missed this on an earlier post but how old are your trucks? Your baseplate and pivot cavity weren't machined to tolerance, it seems. That's a really rough looking area. As others have said, reach out to them for a replacement.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on May 16, 2021, 04:17:04 PM
Judging by that video Ron is not a man to indulge in equipment chat.

Seemed like he would have rather been anywhere else doing anything else lol, I felt bad for Matt Price... he kinda got vibed out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
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i would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.
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I'm riding 54mm Conical Fulls and they are nowhere near that rounded.

Look like Radials to me.
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My 53mm Radials are wide. But not as wide as these wheels here. Someone should DM him like a man. ^^

If I had to guess, he's riding much bigger wheels than 53mm...

I'm thinking that they probably are Conical fulls (based off the blue graphic, radials were either tinted wheels or used the Big Head style image) and in a 55mm+ size but [clearly] worn down.

(http://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f7d05681aaa1c6e958f5979/1604348895143-CUE1MNDUYS887TFJSB3Q/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kGDpvalPb1SqHoCn1hwN0Y57gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmQPoRzxSr1hzN-vPBHt7YyLLXgctAyUJRqJUUGWVDK_ZzIgvsybGcZEPqUYiXY8im/conical+full+99.jpg)

Radials:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Skate_Like_A_Girl_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFSKGWH.html

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/ (scroll down for 'big head' radial graphics)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 16, 2021, 05:45:34 PM
I would be going with 53 or 54 mm conical full wheels, based on the same size and shape that I have had and seen on boards I have set up / friends boards.

They actually have quite a rounded looking edge when new and skated a bit, and it looks like Ronnie has left out a washer or two on a couple of them, making them sit further in, but they are on AF1 44s, which are only 8.25 so that size is about right.

Screen shot of wheel graphic.


(https://i.ibb.co/827BWs8/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board-00.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HYH2W4g)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on May 16, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
thinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gaunting on May 16, 2021, 07:17:17 PM
never had ace’s thinking about getting some classics in either 11 or 22. I have a 7.6” cruiser, with some wide ass 60mm wheels. go smaller, or same size as deck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jtrpma on May 16, 2021, 07:24:51 PM
thinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?

I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on May 16, 2021, 10:16:14 PM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me

100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthunderw on May 16, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Skating my first pair of AF1 44s on the Krooked Worrest Twin (trying the whole ambi-break-in). I like how they skate but I'm getting the clicking issue and I noticed that the pivot cups looked like they were oozing already as I was setting everything up.

It can't be understated how much I like having gaudy gold trucks that just sparkle in the sun &#127774;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 17, 2021, 08:04:07 AM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
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100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.

Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on May 17, 2021, 08:53:53 AM
Question for everyone with pivot cup issues, are you guys tightening the trucks a bunch(not that that should matter)? Skated my af1s yesterday and they felt really good at whatever looseness they came in. Nice and stable but with a really good responsive turn. Grinding took me by surprise though; no resistance.

Forgot to bring my tool with when i took them out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on May 17, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
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100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
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Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.

I need to get some of those. I have some indy ones that stick out and it's an eyesore to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 17, 2021, 10:19:20 AM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
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100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
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Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.
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I need to get some of those. I have some indy ones that stick out and it's an eyesore to me.

Maybe you've tried it, but with the Indys if you stick the hardware through the cutouts in the plastic (not the intended holes) they line up almost perfectly. Let me know and I can post a pic later if it helps.

That being said, the way the Ace ones line up perfectly flush with the plates in just so, so nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
Question for everyone with pivot cup issues, are you guys tightening the trucks a bunch(not that that should matter)? Skated my af1s yesterday and they felt really good at whatever looseness they came in. Nice and stable but with a really good responsive turn. Grinding took me by surprise though; no resistance.

Forgot to bring my tool with when i took them out

Most that are having the cup issues have baseplate finishing/machining issues; those without seem to have no issues at all with the pivot cups that I recall - could be wrong.

I loosened my AF1s so the nut was flush.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 17, 2021, 10:46:07 AM
I was thinking to myself, are the rethreading nuts a harder metal than the regular ones? I guess they are so they can make a new thread. I’m wondering if that makes it stickier on smiths and feeble grinds?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on May 17, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
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100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
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Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.
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I need to get some of those. I have some indy ones that stick out and it's an eyesore to me.
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Maybe you've tried it, but with the Indys if you stick the hardware through the cutouts in the plastic (not the intended holes) they line up almost perfectly. Let me know and I can post a pic later if it helps.

That being said, the way the Ace ones line up perfectly flush with the plates in just so, so nice.

Thanks dude. I ended up figuring that out after messing with it a bit but there is still a bit of it sticking out which I hate. My local only had bright red indy risers also which look terrible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: spacial_profiling on May 17, 2021, 11:49:53 AM
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I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.

The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
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100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
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Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.

Probably due to their height being 51mm, which is the only thing keeping me from making the switch, where my indy are 55mm and that's without risers, which I do on some setups...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 17, 2021, 12:11:50 PM
Closer to 53mm according to Ace. I don't notice much of a difference between the height on Indys and Ace to be honest. My timing is more off when using Thunders and they are about the same height as Ace. I wouldn't get hung up on truck height as geometry  also plays a role in pop timing and wheelbite. Only way to know is to try 'em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 18, 2021, 09:45:34 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)

I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 18, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)

I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#38;#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.

All of that in 20 hours ? Doesn't seem right.

They must be some gnarly ass curbs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on May 18, 2021, 09:49:28 AM
Beautiful pic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 18, 2021, 09:50:38 AM
No Smiths or  feebles  @Roisto ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 18, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
RichardBarkley, yeah 20 hours. Had to check it from my Apple Watch because I’m bad at estimating. The curbs aren’t that gnarly. They’ve got a few crunchy bits and I did break in 18 new ones (probably 1 m per curb) with these trucks.

Firebert, thank you.

Frank and Fred, only a few accidental front feebles. I can’t do smiths or feebles. Not sure how slappy smiths would even work. I feel like I’d need a double sided curb for proper slappy feebles and we don’t have any around here unfortunately.

It’s just mainly frontside slappies with a bunch of backside slappies peppered in. Also a few slappy crooks attempts but so far I haven’t gotten them to work on these curbs for whatever reason. I’m just learning them anyway. Today I was skating mainly flatground at my usual spot but it’s easy to hit the slappies in between as there’s like 30+ meters of waxed curbs at that spot.

It’s weird how the back truck has worn in the middle. New trucks with no groove felt weird as hell and it took a good while to get used to the wider board and trucks and I guess by then I had managed to get a groove mainly in the middle on the back truck from sloppy slappies.  :D

Back:
(https://i.ibb.co/XtqGs88/B68-CC2-F5-47-C4-45-ED-965-B-563621-C18869.jpg)

Front:
(https://i.ibb.co/G514Njj/19-D562-C0-AE97-4-A60-9654-6103756-E53-B7.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2021, 11:08:44 AM
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#38;#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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All of that in 20 hours ? Doesn't seem right.

They must be some gnarly ass curbs

Un-painted/un-waxed curbs will do that.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 18, 2021, 11:10:46 AM
RichardBarkley, yeah 20 hours. Had to check it from my Apple Watch because I’m bad at estimating. The curbs aren’t that gnarly. They’ve got a few crunchy bits and I did break in 18 new ones (probably 1 m per curb) with these trucks.

Firebert, thank you.

Frank and Fred, only a few accidental front feebles. I can’t do smiths or feebles. Not sure how slappy smiths would even work. I feel like I’d need a double sided curb for proper slappy feebles and we don’t have any around here unfortunately.

It’s just mainly frontside slappies with a bunch of backside slappies peppered in. Also a few slappy crooks attempts but so far I haven’t gotten them to work on these curbs for whatever reason. I’m just learning them anyway. Today I was skating mainly flatground at my usual spot but it’s easy to hit the slappies in between as there’s like 30+ meters of waxed curbs at that spot.

It’s weird how the back truck has worn in the middle. New trucks with no groove felt weird as hell and it took a good while to get used to the wider board and trucks and I guess by then I had managed to get a groove mainly in the middle on the back truck from sloppy slappies.  :D

Back:
(https://i.ibb.co/XtqGs88/B68-CC2-F5-47-C4-45-ED-965-B-563621-C18869.jpg)

Front:
(https://i.ibb.co/G514Njj/19-D562-C0-AE97-4-A60-9654-6103756-E53-B7.jpg)

That's fucking gnar man. Ripping !
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 18, 2021, 11:14:50 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)

I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#38;#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.

I feel you there mate. The only solution I can think of is, that you sand your top bushings down like 5 mm and shorten the kingpin with a angle grinder. But I can only speak on Indy trucks with that method and am not sure if that will work with Ace's too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 4-3-3 on May 18, 2021, 11:20:19 AM
Man I really want to try Aces but when I see pics like these It makes me want to stick to my Indys and Thunders. I weigh 200lbs and do tons of slappies and both brands hold up. Ace are extremely popular in Vancouver. They did a good job supporting local pros and ams early on. But now I’m seeing some of the die hard Ace fan boys moving back to Indys because of durability issues. When you got kids that mostly skate pools going through trucks in a month and half something is wrong. And the curbs and pool blocks all Salba sauced.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 18, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
I keep flip flopping with the AF1s the replacement bushings are going good and haven’t busted but I feel I lost the pop from the first few sessions. I’m gonna tighten them up and see if that helps. But I skated them the other day and felt so dorky cause kick flips was basically barrel rolling. I got a new board with the same wheelbase. Maybe that’s it. But damn. If the next session is as bad as my last I’m set up the 44c ,indies , or see it thunder treat  me right
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on May 18, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#38;#38;#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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All of that in 20 hours ? Doesn't seem right.

They must be some gnarly ass curbs
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Un-painted/un-waxed curbs will do that.

Legit questions: How far do you grind on un-painted/un-waxed curbs?

I've slappy'd a few unpainted curbs for pure shits and giggles and straight up stick and go flying off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 19, 2021, 01:17:01 AM
Dunno if that was addressed to me but I haven’t skated any unwaxed curbs with these trucks. I broke in a bunch of new curbs by waxing them first and then just grinding and it gets nicer and nicer the more you grind.

My experiences with unpainted curbs is wildly different depending on the curbs. Some curbs grind like butter with very little wax, some require a bit more wax and then it gets better quite slowly. Then some others just don’t grind initially at all and just have to smash it until it slowly starts going. With my previous completely axeled classics I was able to grind a few inches of an unwaxed curb that grinded like butter with very little wax. Those curbs looked normal but for some reason grinded unlike any other.

I haven’t used any rub brick & lacquer tricks even though I like long grinds. To me it is much more satisfying just waxing and grinding until it starts going.  :)

These are my old 44 classics from a while back. The sharp groove visible in two of the pics are from curbs that have a very sharp lip and won’t grind at all initially. Breaking those curbs in requires quite some work. Last pic shows the kingpin nut which fell off when I was just rolling and turning.
(https://i.ibb.co/zNrBptW/E14995-A1-7722-411-E-8-DD0-4-F57-C88-DA1-A9.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sKJpHPG/17-D16-D6-B-27-C4-4-F9-B-AFEF-164-EDA725-C01.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZghVYPm/708-E9799-DA6-A-48-BD-9-B96-253-A4-ED610-FD.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JtvShhW/4095-DCB8-B0-F1-4-F3-D-A18-E-DBDE46-D72927.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 19, 2021, 05:57:52 AM
Dunno if that was addressed to me but I haven’t skated any unwaxed curbs with these trucks. I broke in a bunch of new curbs by waxing them first and then just grinding and it gets nicer and nicer the more you grind.

My experiences with unpainted curbs is wildly different depending on the curbs. Some curbs grind like butter with very little wax, some require a bit more wax and then it gets better quite slowly. Then some others just don’t grind initially at all and just have to smash it until it slowly starts going. With my previous completely axeled classics I was able to grind a few inches of an unwaxed curb that grinded like butter with very little wax. Those curbs looked normal but for some reason grinded unlike any other.

I haven’t used any rub brick & lacquer tricks even though I like long grinds. To me it is much more satisfying just waxing and grinding until it starts going.  :)

These are my old 44 classics from a while back. The sharp groove visible in two of the pics are from curbs that have a very sharp lip and won’t grind at all initially. Breaking those curbs in requires quite some work. Last pic shows the kingpin nut which fell off when I was just rolling and turning.
(https://i.ibb.co/zNrBptW/E14995-A1-7722-411-E-8-DD0-4-F57-C88-DA1-A9.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sKJpHPG/17-D16-D6-B-27-C4-4-F9-B-AFEF-164-EDA725-C01.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZghVYPm/708-E9799-DA6-A-48-BD-9-B96-253-A4-ED610-FD.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JtvShhW/4095-DCB8-B0-F1-4-F3-D-A18-E-DBDE46-D72927.jpg)

Holy fuck man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 19, 2021, 06:17:15 AM
Finally got around to checking my 77s and one of them does indeed have the indent on the edge of the pivot cavity. It was my back truck, which I am not used to blowing out so I guess I never bothered to look. Submitted a warranty claim with Ace.

(https://i.imgur.com/NmthxPn.jpg)

It'll be cool if they replace it, but it was silly of me to buy 77s.

@Roisto one of the main curb spots I skate is waxed but not painted or anything. I used to hate on it and which whoever started it had lacquered it, but I've come to love it. I don't know what it is about the metal on the classics, but they feel so much better on that curb than the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 19, 2021, 06:45:43 AM
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#38;#38;#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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I feel you there mate. The only solution I can think of is, that you sand your top bushings down like 5 mm and shorten the kingpin with a angle grinder. But I can only speak on Indy trucks with that method and am not sure if that will work with Ace's too.

Yes to that.

I have used a knife and cut the bushings down (so you can put the other bit back in if you need to) and then angle grinded the kingpin on almost all brands of trucks over the years, so these would definitely work as Ace has almost the highest / longest kingpin of all the main truck brands in the modern market and a very tall top bushing too, so you have a reasonable amount of room to play with.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2021, 02:46:26 PM
I took the semi-shredded cups (I had stopped skating them before they got totally wrecked) and slapped them into a pair of Indys, they fit and feel great (and won't get cut up anymore).

I'll put the new cups in my one sessioned AF155s.

DM me if you are interested in the used AF155s with the plate issue (hangers are totally fine, literally 2 hours on them) + new cups - make an offer. SOLD

DM me if you are interested in a NEW pair of AF155s with NO plate issue (never ridden, complete with poop bags). SOLD

I've also got a set of never skated 33 classics (red plates) as well (all stock) but they've been kicking around in a bag with other trucks so the plates have some scuffs but whateverthfuk).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: blueskynoise on May 19, 2021, 04:14:58 PM
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 19, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
Man I really want to try Aces but when I see pics like these It makes me want to stick to my Indys and Thunders. I weigh 200lbs and do tons of slappies and both brands hold up. Ace are extremely popular in Vancouver. They did a good job supporting local pros and ams early on. But now I’m seeing some of the die hard Ace fan boys moving back to Indys because of durability issues.

I was a big fan of how they skated, but I am like 140 and do a lot of slappys, and had both kingpins rattle loose. I decided to fix this with the Krux Downlow kingpin trick, and in the meantime I put on some 144s I had laying around, and frankly I don't notice any real difference in how these trucks skate. They're both great, but the Indys aren't falling apart from normal use. I'm sure I'll eventually put the Aces back on something, but I think I am back on Indy for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 19, 2021, 04:33:28 PM
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever

I did Bones Soft and they were fine, but then went back to Ace. For me, the Ace bushings were the absolute best part of the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2021, 04:36:23 PM
I too, went back to Indy and didn't notice too much of a difference...mainly weight reduction going to TI...but I was also using ace bushings...which work wonders in Indy...or venture...tensor...see the pattern?

Ace are still a quicker deeper Indy stock, but the weight and quality control aren't worth the fucking hassle...get some ace bushings in your Indy's or dual duro Indy bushings and call it a day.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 19, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
I too, went back to Indy and didn't notice too much of a difference...mainly weight reduction going to TI...but I was also using ace bushings...which work wonders in Indy...or venture...tensor...see the pattern?

Ace are still a quicker deeper Indy stock, but the weight and quality control aren't worth the fucking hassle...get some ace bushings in your Indy's or dual duro Indy bushings and call it a day.

For sure, the turn on Ace is a little different, but whether it's better or worse is totally subjective. I've been on both side by side, I don't think either helped or hindered my skating. And like a lot of people here, I spent five years fussing with my trucks, constantly switching brands, buying forged titanium versions, switching bushings, experimenting with washers, inverting kingpins, etc. Then I just put on a pair of Indy 144 standard trucks, with their stock orange bushings and have barely thought about it since. They've been great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: blueskynoise on May 19, 2021, 06:11:24 PM
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I did Bones Soft and they were fine, but then went back to Ace. For me, the Ace bushings were the absolute best part of the trucks.

I agree, I love the Ace bushings too. They just shredded pretty fast in my AF1s. Maybe i’ll try a new set with bones top washers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 19, 2021, 06:17:13 PM
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I too, went back to Indy and didn't notice too much of a difference...mainly weight reduction going to TI...but I was also using ace bushings...which work wonders in Indy...or venture...tensor...see the pattern?

Ace are still a quicker deeper Indy stock, but the weight and quality control aren't worth the fucking hassle...get some ace bushings in your Indy's or dual duro Indy bushings and call it a day.
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For sure, the turn on Ace is a little different, but whether it's better or worse is totally subjective. I've been on both side by side, I don't think either helped or hindered my skating. And like a lot of people here, I spent five years fussing with my trucks, constantly switching brands, buying forged titanium versions, switching bushings, experimenting with washers, inverting kingpins, etc. Then I just put on a pair of Indy 144 standard trucks, with their stock orange bushings and have barely thought about it since. They've been great.

Just setup some Ti144s that I've been sitting on, with stock bushings (but swapped out the pivots and washers), my 159s are on my big boy board; I'm actually getting to where my OCD is not winning the battles over Indys, to the point that I'm actually switching over for both boards and trying to use stock bushings....the TI are light enough, lower enough (forged), turn good enough, can get on center good enough and grind good/great enough...they don't actually accel at anything...fuck now I'm an indy guy.

That all said. Tensor ATG Maglights are still the lightest and grind the best.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 19, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever

Krux bushings are great. I like the stock bushings but sometimes they’re a little too wobbly for me. Krux gives the same tight turn but is nice and stable on center.

I haven’t tried Bones hard, but I really had to crank down on the mediums to avoid wheelbite. Wasn’t a fan of the mediums with Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kevve on May 20, 2021, 04:48:10 AM
Anyone else got their bushings eaten up by the washer in the af1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: blueskynoise on May 20, 2021, 05:36:49 AM
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I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever
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Krux bushings are great. I like the stock bushings but sometimes they’re a little too wobbly for me. Krux gives the same tight turn but is nice and stable on center.

I haven’t tried Bones hard, but I really had to crank down on the mediums to avoid wheelbite. Wasn’t a fan of the mediums with Ace.

Yeah every “Ace pilot” I know says that you can’t tighten Bones mediums enough for a stable ride on Ace. I’ll try a side by side with Ace replacements and Bones Hard this weekend. Will report back
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FROTHY on May 20, 2021, 07:21:49 AM
The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on May 20, 2021, 07:44:34 AM
I took the semi-shredded cups (I had stopped skating them before they got totally wrecked) and slapped them into a pair of Indys, they fit and feel great (and won't get cut up anymore).

I'll put the new cups in my one sessioned AF155s.

DM me if you are interested in the used AF155s with the plate issue (hangers are totally fine, literally 2 hours on them) + new cups - make an offer.

DM me if you are interested in a NEW pair of AF155s with NO plate issue (never ridden, complete with poop bags).

I've also got a set of never skated 33 classics (red plates) as well (all stock) but they've been kicking around in a bag with other trucks so the plates have some scuffs but whateverthfuk).

DM'd you about those new AF1 55s. Really curious to try these out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on May 20, 2021, 09:13:51 AM
After skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck.  I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger.  I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger.  I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in.  But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 20, 2021, 10:18:29 AM
After skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck.  I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger.  I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger.  I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in.  But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.

The 55's have the same width hanger as the classic 44's I believe. Someone else could confirm or correct me though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 20, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
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After skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck.  I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger.  I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger.  I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in.  But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.
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The 55's have the same width hanger as the classic 44's I believe. Someone else could confirm or correct me though.

Not sure about the 44s but the AF155 hangers are just a hair wider than every 8.25" truck I've got...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 20, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
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After skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck.  I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger.  I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger.  I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in.  But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.
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The 55's have the same width hanger as the classic 44's I believe. Someone else could confirm or correct me though.
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Not sure about the 44s but the AF155 hangers are just a hair wider than every 8.25" truck I've got...

AF1 55s are 149mm
Classic 44s are 146mm

I had initially thought they were the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 20, 2021, 01:23:19 PM
The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.

I too am experiencing the loud click. Before my last session the washers were clicking in both trucks with every turn. It seems to be happening less now while standing on my board.

I’ll also be trying some replacement parts if the clicking continues. Someone else recommended the Muir Skate machined sleeved washers. They’re pricey but I may give those a go.

My bushings are also starting to get shredded.
 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 20, 2021, 02:11:40 PM
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The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
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I too am experiencing the loud click. Before my last session the washers were clicking in both trucks with every turn. It seems to be happening less now while standing on my board.

I’ll also be trying some replacement parts if the clicking continues. Someone else recommended the Muir Skate machined sleeved washers. They’re pricey but I may give those a go.

My bushings are also starting to get shredded.

I had the loud clicking from one truck. I took the whole thing apart and put a thin layer of grease between the truck base and the lower washer, and that fixed it until it dried out. I reapplied the grease periodically, but this was very annoying.

It's lamentable that so much of this thread is about dealing with the quirks of Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 20, 2021, 05:30:21 PM
To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on May 20, 2021, 06:45:00 PM
One of my bushings in my AF1 is already getting semi destroyed. What is the best option for a replacement if it fully goes? I have bones hard in my indys which I love but not sure if those will mess with geometry in the aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rubbrick on May 20, 2021, 07:15:37 PM
To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.

It will never sit fully flush without getting a thinner profile nut. You can grind it down or file it. One of my buddies just rubs his baseplate on the concrete and it files it down
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 20, 2021, 07:19:09 PM
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever

Barrel Bottoms Only for me as anything else just feels off.

Stock Aces Bushings <-- Best and feel the Dual Duro is what helps ACE shine.
DLX Bait and Tackle
Mini Logo (underrrated)
Krux

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 20, 2021, 08:47:52 PM
To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.

Not Kreeper, but Krux - it sticks out less than a mm, and it goes into a piece of wood, so I just let it dig in. If it bothered me, I suppose I would file it down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 20, 2021, 11:50:38 PM
Been on the AF1s for a few weeks now and figured it’s been long enough to share my experience. It’s largely been the same as what everyone else has said, but I’ll share anyway.

Manufacturing quality is definitely a lot better. Quality was my biggest complaint with the classics. The new metal is harder and seems more durable. No initial quality complaints. My last set of classics had the axle off center on both trucks, so one wheel would go on fine with a few threads showing while the other side would be a quarter turn past finger tight before the wheel wouldn’t spin. Plenty of thread on each side here.

For the break in process, I left them factory tight and rocked back and forth on them for about 20 minutes. They started to firm up, then I tightened them a quarter turn and rocked them again for about 10 minutes. They felt pretty good after this.

Took them to the park and everything was great. Really nice grind, especially on the shitty old pool coping that my classics would stick on. After scratching them up a bit I did notice they didn’t grind as well on metal as they did earlier when they were brand new. They still grind well, but the classics are better on metal. AF1s are definitely superior on pool coping.

About an hour in to the first session I noticed the clicking noise and the grease coming out of the pivots. Annoying but not a deal breaker.

After a few sessions on them they felt broken in enough to ride the vert ramp (13.5 ft). They were really sketchy here. I normally ride the stock Ace bushings until they stop turning as well, but these feel way less stable than the classics. I think the softer pivot cup is the culprit. FWIW, I’m 175 lbs so I might just be heavier than the average Ace rider.

This morning I swapped the stock bottom bushings for the Krux bushings I had in my classics. After the swap they were way more stable while keeping the tight turn. The clicking finally went away today, not sure if it’s from the bushing swap or just coincidence.

I think it’s been said before, but the pivot cups are also deeper than the classics. I tried swapping them but it threw off the geometry.

My final take is that if you’re already riding Ace, you’re not missing out on much, but when it’s time to get new trucks, the AF1s will not disappoint.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 21, 2021, 06:09:44 AM
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To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.
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It will never sit fully flush without getting a thinner profile nut. You can grind it down or file it. One of my buddies just rubs his baseplate on the concrete and it files it down

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To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.
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Not Kreeper, but Krux - it sticks out less than a mm, and it goes into a piece of wood, so I just let it dig in. If it bothered me, I suppose I would file it down.

I ended up getting it! Noticed that the nut fit fine flipped so the cavity must be slightly tapered. Just gave it a few taps with a hammer with the pin screwed inand it went in just barely flush. Grabbing some JBweld today. Psyched.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 21, 2021, 07:11:36 AM
Not that happy with the AF1s...

Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.
Sold them to a Homie and bought some 66s for a 9 AH Classic Eagle. Felt better but in my head the Classics seemed to look and feel a tad more flush with the Deck.
The new Bushings are so flimsy and wobbly that even after they firmed up it felt much too wonky for my taste. Im all in for "lose trucks save lives" but not for "die while pushing cause of wheelbite"...
After a few sessions a guy asked me about the pivot cups and i was stoked to tell him that mine didnt rip. Exactly one session later my front truck pivot cup broke nearly throwing me off while pushing fast for some Slappies.

I was so keen on ACE because they helped me with my pop on flip tricks (long story). But with the new ones im experiencing the same ghost pop problems i had on Thunders before. Especially on kickflips.

Gave them about 10 Sessions, now im back on my old 55 Classics and im fucking happy again. Pop is back, no pivot cup probs etc.

I'll stick to Classics i guess..

I’m having pop problems with my AF1s. I honestly don’t quite understand trucks and kicks but the AF1s pop is dead now that I’m on a steeper kicked board. Felt good on a mellow deck.  I’m gonna see if I tighten them if it fixes them if not back to classics or maybe Indy or thunder. I just want a truck that can be “my truck”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on May 21, 2021, 10:41:11 AM
Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.

I have that setup.  I put three washers on the inside, one out and used the Acer Ti nut that is super thin.  With 56mm classics it ends up being the same measurement to the outside of the wheels as my 54mm Conicals on a 159.



(https://moddriver.com/images/ace-ti.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 21, 2021, 11:47:52 AM
A few weeks/months ago, someone posted their Ace Classics with the Real 3-ply Risers. Can you tell me how it's holding up? How it fits together? Post the pictures again? Curious to try it sometime.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on May 21, 2021, 11:48:47 PM
The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.

Simply remove the top washer. Problem solved! Or just give it sometime and it will eventually go away - if u have the patience.

Not that happy with the AF1s...

Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.
Sold them to a Homie and bought some 66s for a 9 AH Classic Eagle. Felt better but in my head the Classics seemed to look and feel a tad more flush with the Deck.
The new Bushings are so flimsy and wobbly that even after they firmed up it felt much too wonky for my taste. Im all in for "lose trucks save lives" but not for "die while pushing cause of wheelbite"...
After a few sessions a guy asked me about the pivot cups and i was stoked to tell him that mine didnt rip. Exactly one session later my front truck pivot cup broke nearly throwing me off while pushing fast for some Slappies.

I was so keen on ACE because they helped me with my pop on flip tricks (long story). But with the new ones im experiencing the same ghost pop problems i had on Thunders before. Especially on kickflips.

Gave them about 10 Sessions, now im back on my old 55 Classics and im fucking happy again. Pop is back, no pivot cup probs etc.

I'll stick to Classics i guess..

If u get ghost pop its not cuz of the trucks - its the combo with the deck you've paired them with. Interesting though as you said you set them up with an AH deck - I found DLX decks (14.5 WB) are the goldilocks combo for ace trucks. Plus you just gotta get used to it - as in a minimum of 10-20 hours of skating vs just a few. Sounds like you haven't given enough time to get used to it. Ghost pop happens sometimes no matter what set up one has. Thats just how it goes. But IMO thats just down to poor timing mostly and never the set up.

I mean people do tre flips on shovels and bricks so....

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I’m having pop problems with my AF1s. I honestly don’t quite understand trucks and kicks but the AF1s pop is dead now that I’m on a steeper kicked board. Felt good on a mellow deck.  I’m gonna see if I tighten them if it fixes them if not back to classics or maybe Indy or thunder. I just want a truck that can be “my truck”
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Steeper kicks don't work well with Ace trucks. You need a deck with mellow concave and minimum 14.5 WB then your good. This is the downside with Ace trucks. They're not as compatible as Indy / Thunders with most decks. But ppl sacrifice it all for the turn.

This is why a lot of ppl find Ace trucks too loose or 'squirly' as Ben Degros would say.

 

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on May 22, 2021, 12:55:00 AM
To me ace feels the bestest with steep kicks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on May 22, 2021, 03:58:52 AM
If u get ghost pop its not cuz of the trucks - its the combo with the deck you've paired them with. Interesting though as you said you set them up with an AH deck - I found DLX decks (14.5 WB) are the goldilocks combo for ace trucks. Plus you just gotta get used to it - as in a minimum of 10-20 hours of skating vs just a few. Sounds like you haven't given enough time to get used to it. Ghost pop happens sometimes no matter what set up one has. Thats just how it goes. But IMO thats just down to poor timing mostly and never the set up.

I mean people do tre flips on shovels and bricks so...

I know about that. My previous setup was a Hockey Deck with Thunder Ti and it was horrible. I had so much ghost pop, one time i nearly fucked up my leg on a ledge cause of that shit..
The ACE Anti Hero Combo worked perfectly for getting my pop back on kickflips. Had big problems with that since i started skating again some years ago.
10 sessions, each around 2-3 hours isnt enough to get used to? Dont know about that...
Ghost pop happens sometimes, i get you. But the increased amount of ghost pop i get on the AF1s in comparison to the Classics or Thunders is very much noticeable.
Even if i got bad timing from time to time.

Also, even if that things would only happen in my head, there's still the pivot cup disaster and the fucking bushings being like jello..

As i said, ill stick to Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on May 22, 2021, 02:40:51 PM
Been super tempted to try Aces after skating Ventures for close to 10 years straight. Always liked a longer wheelbase which is part of the appeal of Ventures but I think it'd be interesting to have the same amount of board with a tighter actual wheelbase and longer nose/tail. Probably gonna grab some of the new 55s next week
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 22, 2021, 05:57:14 PM
For those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick:  https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)

Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 24, 2021, 09:44:50 PM
For me and ace....I think I might need bigger wheels to pop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FROTHY on May 25, 2021, 08:02:56 AM
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The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
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Simply remove the top washer. Problem solved! Or just give it sometime and it will eventually go away - if u have the patience.

No top washer? Bushings get shredded too quickly like that from my experience. I mean, the washer is there for a reason.

I think the Aces have a fun surfy feel and would be great for cruising around and smaller transition skating. I've ridden some larger concrete parks, and they feel a little too turny / unstable on that stuff. Nothing seriously problematic, but just not the ideal feel. And the click thing sucks....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on May 25, 2021, 08:28:37 AM
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The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
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Simply remove the top washer. Problem solved! Or just give it sometime and it will eventually go away - if u have the patience.
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No top washer? Bushings get shredded too quickly like that from my experience. I mean, the washer is there for a reason.


Can't say its made any diff tbh. They might get shredded a tiny bit quicker but not quick enough to warrant worrying about it. Rather just get rid of that annoying clicking immediately. Once the bushings have broken in, you can stick the top washer back on but personally I think trucks tend to work better without that top washer anyway. If you're gonna use one then Bones top washer all the way...


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 11:52:55 AM
For those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick:  https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)

Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.

Just wondering - how much were they?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on May 26, 2021, 02:53:40 PM
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For those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick:  https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)

Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.
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Just wondering - how much were they?

They were marked down to $16.99 (per truck) for the polished hangar/red baseplate Classics.

I almost pulled the trigger, but I recently got some AF1's and couldn't justify the truck madness...

Good catch on anyone who did end up snagging them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 26, 2021, 02:56:43 PM
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For those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick:  https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)

Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.
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Just wondering - how much were they?
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They were marked down to $16.99 (per truck) for the polished hangar/red baseplate Classics.

I almost pulled the trigger, but I recently got some AF1's and couldn't justify the truck madness...

Good catch on anyone who did end up snagging them.

Definitely would have snagged some more 44s for that price.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on May 30, 2021, 12:37:00 AM
Still not sure if I'll be able to fully get used to these things but they are definitely fun. The clicking started the other day and has just gotten worse and worse. Kinda driving me crazy. Gonna mess around and see if I can get it to stop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on May 30, 2021, 07:27:48 AM
Still not sure if I'll be able to fully get used to these things but they are definitely fun. The clicking started the other day and has just gotten worse and worse. Kinda driving me crazy. Gonna mess around and see if I can get it to stop

For me the clicking comes and goes and seems not to fully go away. I thought it would be just temporary but so far it feels more and more like an actualfeature of these. Sometimes I ponder, did they even test these things. Still, I find these super fun to skate everywhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on May 30, 2021, 08:32:28 AM
I tightened mine up a little. And the clicking stopped and I’m enjoying them more than I was. Mine felt almost too surfy and unstable before tightening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on May 31, 2021, 11:51:53 AM
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Still not sure if I'll be able to fully get used to these things but they are definitely fun. The clicking started the other day and has just gotten worse and worse. Kinda driving me crazy. Gonna mess around and see if I can get it to stop
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For me the clicking comes and goes and seems not to fully go away. I thought it would be just temporary but so far it feels more and more like an actualfeature of these. Sometimes I ponder, did they even test these things. Still, I find these super fun to skate everywhere.

Have u tried taking the top washer off?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on June 04, 2021, 07:09:36 AM
Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.

I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on June 04, 2021, 08:04:13 AM
Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.

I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.

I've skated classic 44s on FA/Hockey 8.25 (14.12 wb) and 8.38 (14.18 wb) and I liked it a lot. Although I personally like 14.25 wb better on classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on June 04, 2021, 08:04:45 AM
I skate a Frog 8.3 14wb with my classics and I dont really think its squirely at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on June 04, 2021, 08:09:59 AM
Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.

I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.

I skated a 8.38 x14.18 hockey with 44 classics. It felt good for street. Taking it to the diy or park transition felt a little squirrely  but not awful I did find myself putting my front foot a little past front bolts on some transition. I’m 6’1 if that matters.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on June 04, 2021, 08:40:29 AM
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Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.

I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.
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I skated a 8.38 x14.18 hockey with 44 classics. It felt good for street. Taking it to the diy or park transition felt a little squirrely  but not awful I did find myself putting my front foot a little past front bolts on some transition. I’m 6’1 if that matters.

It was pretty much the same for me, and I'm just 5'8, I imagine it's even worse for taller fellas.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 04, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

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Its all preference.  Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better.  They are just a tiny bit wider than the board.  I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75.  They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.

I mean, I ride Venture 5.8s on an 8.25 one speed ring on each end of the wheel and I’m good to go. I like the stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on June 04, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

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Its all preference.  Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better.  They are just a tiny bit wider than the board.  I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75.  They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.
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I mean, I ride Venture 5.8s on an 8.25 one speed ring on each end of the wheel and I’m good to go. I like the stability.

Is this the secret to becoming a necromancer?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on June 05, 2021, 05:42:15 AM
Not sure how anyone gets on with ace on 14.25” WB (or below) decks tbh.

They work best and way more stable with 14.3 - 14.5 + WB decks 100%



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Juliet Berto on June 05, 2021, 07:42:37 AM
There's some very dramatic opinions being bandied about regarding Aces on smaller wheelbases, lol. As a counterpoint to that, my main set-up that I've been doing for a while now that I slowly shifted into is:

Ace 44 Classic (all washers present, loosened from factory to about two nut threads showing, Riptide pivots, stock bushings)
Modus 1/8" riser pad cut down to the Ace baseplate shape
BBS/Deluxe 8.12 x 14 x 31.38 Julien shape, in either a III or IV concave
Spitfire F4 53mm or 54mm, always 99 durometer, but I do play around with shape (I will switch wheels out occasionally depending on the spot, and I do have 80HD Chargers for really rough spots)
Bones Swiss, but that's immaterial to the topic

I'm 5'11.5", but I do have a narrower, lighter frame, which some have maybe correctly hypothesized is more of a factor in wheelbase preference rather than height.

I'm a street skater who never skates parks, and I do flip/spin/rotate my board a fair amount. The wider truck/narrower deck combination gives me a stability that I love (and the "hotrodding" really is very marginal, though I would not go narrower), and for me the risers are a must for wheelbite, pop, and overall feel. I also don't really identify with the issue that many of you have with a taller board feeling "tippy", although that's being off-set by the wider truck; even beyond performance, I dislike how a low-to-the ground board feels. Even way, way back when I rode Ventures, I always preferred the highs. The ultraorthodox, narrow-minded tech skater (think PJ/childoftheghetto/Kevin Bilyeu/etc) fanatical devotion to the low has always been pretty whatever to me; I mean, for what it's worth Gino always rode the highs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 05, 2021, 09:18:13 AM
6' 200lbs here. Ridden Ace on a 14" WB before. The only time it felt too squirrely was when I hit a 9' deep end. Like all of this nonsense, its all personal preference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2021, 09:20:16 AM
There's some very dramatic opinions being bandied about regarding Aces on smaller wheelbases, lol. As a counterpoint to that, my main set-up that I've been doing for a while now that I slowly shifted into is:

Ace 44 Classic (all washers present, loosened from factory to about two nut threads showing, Riptide pivots, stock bushings)
Modus 1/8" riser pad cut down to the Ace baseplate shape
BBS/Deluxe 8.12 x 14 x 31.38 Julien shape, in either a III or IV concave
Spitfire F4 53mm or 54mm, always 99 durometer, but I do play around with shape (I will switch wheels out occasionally depending on the spot, and I do have 80HD Chargers for really rough spots)
Bones Swiss, but that's immaterial to the topic

I'm 5'11.5", but I do have a narrower, lighter frame, which some have maybe correctly hypothesized is more of a factor in wheelbase preference rather than height.

I'm a street skater who never skates parks, and I do flip/spin/rotate my board a fair amount. The wider truck/narrower deck combination gives me a stability that I love (and the "hotrodding" really is very marginal, though I would not go narrower), and for me the risers are a must for wheelbite, pop, and overall feel. I also don't really identify with the issue that many of you have with a taller board feeling "tippy", although that's being off-set by the wider truck; even beyond performance, I dislike how a low-to-the ground board feels. Even way, way back when I rode Ventures, I always preferred the highs. The ultraorthodox, narrow-minded tech skater (think PJ/childoftheghetto/Kevin Bilyeu/etc) fanatical devotion to the low has always been pretty whatever to me; I mean, for what it's worth Gino always rode the highs.


I like a lot of what you are saying in here, and your setup sounds rad. I also have really enjoyed ace classics on 14” wb. For me, when using ace, I get better results with a taller wheel.

Nice cotg reference, that person was amazing. I wonder how they are.

Kevin Bilyeu looks like he uses Indy 129s and venture 5.0s in both hi and lo.

Gino may skate the highs now, but from fairly obsessively staring at his footage, I don’t think that was generally the case. I’ve seen some stuff where he’s skating thunders, but the rest of it looks like 5.2 lo, on a 7.9 ish board (which was ‘big’ compared to many). There is like one clip where Gino is skating indys, seemed infrequent. Anyways, I’m super happy to be wrong about any/all of that, and would be very stoked to hear more about pro setups.

I personally really like lo’s and and lower trucks in general, but ....even though I basically only do a few basic flatground flip tricks, I’ve been enjoying the pop I get from a taller wheel, and the ability to ride thrashed ground.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 05, 2021, 11:53:38 AM
I'm 6'3" and skated 44s on a 13.875" WB and it was fine. I care way more about overall board length. Why? Because...

Like all of this nonsense, its all personal preference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on June 05, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Whenever I snag an 8.38 Hockey deck (14.18" wb) I use Ace 44's. I'm 6'2," and the Aces make the steep ass Hockey kicks manageable. As mentioned above, being a narrow bastard, smaller wheelbase feels much more natural to me. But also, kick steepness will fuck with my session more than wheelbase ever will. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
I'm 6'3" and skated 44s on a 13.875" WB and it was fine. I care way more about overall board length. Why? Because...

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Well that, personal preference, and board length is maybe a very underrated measurement
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 05, 2021, 07:49:15 PM
I'm late to the AF1 party and decided to treat myself to them even though I'm still trying to hit axle on my older Ace's that I just put some inverted kingpins in. I got the 44's because I figured it would still feel like home even though it's a hair shorter than the classic 44's. Here's my dumb ass take:

Might be in my head but they felt a little more stable on center, yet still maintained that insane turn I've always loved. I felt like I was turning a full circle in an even less amount of time, God damn Ace's are like slalom trucks or something they're nuts. Might be the new bushings but even with the 1/8" Ace risers I was hitting wheelbite pretty easily. Using the same risers on my classics damn near eliminated wheelbite.

Quality seems better in some ways, but I still have one axle that is significantly shorter on one side compared to the other and that bugged my OCD. They kinda made the hanger part that goes into the pivot cups too small with this new design, if I threw in Ace aftermarket pivot cups there was a shit load of play back and forth, then the new stock pivot cups were better in comparison but you can still see gaps with the naked eye. My board also had a weird sound to it, never heard trucks like this before. When I roll fast it like really makes the wheels sound loud in a different way it's hard to explain. If I just push out my board in front of me and it's rolling slowly it sounds like I have this "dead" sound. But popping is still crisp. Idk, just strange.

They seem to be kinda picky about surfaces, grinded good on curbs and shit but when I touched metal coping in a bowl it was sticky and new/worn classics or even Indy's never struggled. The pop timing also took getting used to, something felt a little different with that, I def ghost popped quite a few times. But overall I think they're pretty sick. Might have been a liiiitle hyped up but hey, marketing is key. Ace is still king! Shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on June 05, 2021, 08:09:08 PM
I'm late to the AF1 party and decided to treat myself to them even though I'm still trying to hit axle on my older Ace's that I just put some inverted kingpins in. I got the 44's because I figured it would still feel like home even though it's a hair shorter than the classic 44's. Here's my dumb ass take:

Might be in my head but they felt a little more stable on center, yet still maintained that insane turn I've always loved. I felt like I was turning a full circle in an even less amount of time, God damn Ace's are like slalom trucks or something they're nuts. Might be the new bushings but even with the 1/8" Ace risers I was hitting wheelbite pretty easily. Using the same risers on my classics damn near eliminated wheelbite.

Quality seems better in some ways, but I still have one axle that is significantly shorter on one side compared to the other and that bugged my OCD. They kinda made the hanger part that goes into the pivot cups too small with this new design, if I threw in Ace aftermarket pivot cups there was a shit load of play back and forth, then the new stock pivot cups were better in comparison but you can still see gaps with the naked eye. My board also had a weird sound to it, never heard trucks like this before. When I roll fast it like really makes the wheels sound loud in a different way it's hard to explain. If I just push out my board in front of me and it's rolling slowly it sounds like I have this "dead" sound. But popping is still crisp. Idk, just strange.

They seem to be kinda picky about surfaces, grinded good on curbs and shit but when I touched metal coping in a bowl it was sticky and new/worn classics or even Indy's never struggled. The pop timing also took getting used to, something felt a little different with that, I def ghost popped quite a few times. But overall I think they're pretty sick. Might have been a liiiitle hyped up but hey, marketing is key. Ace is still king! Shalom

gotta agree with this. Very oddly stable in the best way for a turny truck.

Had to give mine a break as Im getting use to skating again these days and wanted to be comfy again on some classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
Good honest take imo.
Mine: got the af1 44s. And....need more time. My initial take is they are a better, albeit fussier, Indy. I messed up and got the 44s, and probably should have gotten the af1 55s. I’ve been riding a bigger board that I’m dumb stoked on and they felt kinda whatever on this 8.5 I’ve got. I’ve put 4 or 5 other sets of trucks in this same board....(the real marks of shame s/o SFB) and the faves were 55c’s, 5.8s, 44c’s, 148’s, and then the af1s.
I’ve had the loud clacking sound, so I just loosened the trucks until it stopped. The af1s turn so well. The bushings are breaking in nicely and seem to be getting better. The grind is a little less forgiving, I just need to skate faster. Classics seem to handle a larger wheel better, but again that’s first blush.
I bought a different deck, for these af1s and committed the  unforgivable sin of incorrectly measuring the wb. Ps 8.25 with a 14.38 wb, when I’m pretty much 14.25 and down. So everything seems a little/a lot off with pop, but that’s my fault. The pop doesn’t feel as light as classics do for me. Now would be a good time for me to point out that o have NO idea what I’m talking about (I made this obvious when I said I put like 12 pairs of trucks on one deck).
No truck does it all. On the one hand, I pretty much only do kickflips, and thunders maybe work the best for me there. Ventures are the coolest. And my ollie feels the best with 5.8s. 44c/55c’s allow me to use a larger wheel and although the trucks themselves are not light, they feel lighter, for me, due to the geometry.
I think that for me, a slightly shorter board and the af1s will feel pretty decent. Too early to tell, but not worth the price is my initial reaction. Should have gotten the 55s. They should have come out with a 45/50 cal. Or some shit, size, that would’ve been the 8.5, so that they could get that 8.75 in there, imo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on June 05, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
I'm late to the AF1 party and decided to treat myself to them even though I'm still trying to hit axle on my older Ace's that I just put some inverted kingpins in. I got the 44's because I figured it would still feel like home even though it's a hair shorter than the classic 44's. Here's my dumb ass take:

Might be in my head but they felt a little more stable on center, yet still maintained that insane turn I've always loved. I felt like I was turning a full circle in an even less amount of time, God damn Ace's are like slalom trucks or something they're nuts. Might be the new bushings but even with the 1/8" Ace risers I was hitting wheelbite pretty easily. Using the same risers on my classics damn near eliminated wheelbite.

Quality seems better in some ways, but I still have one axle that is significantly shorter on one side compared to the other and that bugged my OCD. They kinda made the hanger part that goes into the pivot cups too small with this new design, if I threw in Ace aftermarket pivot cups there was a shit load of play back and forth, then the new stock pivot cups were better in comparison but you can still see gaps with the naked eye. My board also had a weird sound to it, never heard trucks like this before. When I roll fast it like really makes the wheels sound loud in a different way it's hard to explain. If I just push out my board in front of me and it's rolling slowly it sounds like I have this "dead" sound. But popping is still crisp. Idk, just strange.

They seem to be kinda picky about surfaces, grinded good on curbs and shit but when I touched metal coping in a bowl it was sticky and new/worn classics or even Indy's never struggled. The pop timing also took getting used to, something felt a little different with that, I def ghost popped quite a few times. But overall I think they're pretty sick. Might have been a liiiitle hyped up but hey, marketing is key. Ace is still king! Shalom

Cool I’ll grab a set then, been master debating it cause I recently became reborn my youth days and found my size that works for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on June 05, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
imo Ace only work as a loose truck. venture are the opposite, they only work as a tight truck.
thats just not true. have two sets at a slight rattle and they have the best on center stability of all the trucks ive ran that loose including ace + indy. all it takes is done tinkering, which anyone on this side of slap is doing somewhere anyway
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 06, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: laterskater on June 06, 2021, 06:06:25 PM
Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom

I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on June 06, 2021, 07:11:40 PM
So someone was asking about classics on a 14-inch wb.

I’ve never ridden Ace before, but the local shop was having an anniversary sale and I snagged some classic 66’s for 20% off. I put them on my cruiser/downhill board, but I really wanted to see how they grind.

So I got an uncut deck with a 14-inch wheelbase and cut out a short, fat twin shovel. I put the Ace on them and everything people have been saying (wait for the bushing to break in, the turn is amazing) has come true.

I love ‘em. They slappy great, I can still kickflip and ollie ok. Has been working fine on the mini, but probably won’t drop in on the 12-foot with it.

The wb is maybe a touch too short. Was on my friend’s Jason Adam’s with a 14.5 wb, and that was a dream. Could pump carve on that. And the radius was perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on June 06, 2021, 07:13:16 PM
As soon as i cop axles on these 169s i'm gonna give these cunts a shot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 07, 2021, 09:51:59 AM
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Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
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I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.

Shit has me bummed! Shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 07, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
really strange to me that they didnt just make titanium axel classics with beefed up pivot cups and bushings, and add 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 sizes for people that wanted them. That would've addressed everyone's concerns, while retaining what they originally liked. Maybe throw in those re threader dies as a nice bonus. People liked the geo and soft grindfeel though, idk why they would change that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 07, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
really strange to me that they didnt just make titanium axel classics with beefed up pivot cups and bushings, and add 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 sizes for people that wanted them. That would've addressed everyone's concerns, while retaining what they originally liked. Maybe throw in those re threader dies as a nice bonus. People liked the geo and soft grindfeel though, idk why they would change that.

Agreed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 07, 2021, 11:15:31 AM
Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
I love the new AF1, and would pick them over classics every time due to the stability. Classics feel too unstable for me, its as if it is slightly more difficult to keep a perfectly straight line on em. I also like the look of the AF1 better, the beefier hangar with a slightly more tapered pivot just looks like what I want a truck to look like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: southphillytapwater on June 08, 2021, 04:32:10 AM
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Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
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I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.
I switched back to classics after about three weeks. I couldn't get used to the pop and the stable center became boring to me. I much prefer the geometry of the classics over the AF1's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 08, 2021, 08:49:55 AM
I did the same last night, used some extra baseplates since my IKP converted ones are trashed, gonna just skate my worn down classics and try not to be OCD about my kingpin slowing down my grinds. Shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 08, 2021, 08:55:14 AM
really strange to me that they didnt just make titanium axel classics with beefed up pivot cups and bushings, and add 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 sizes for people that wanted them. That would've addressed everyone's concerns, while retaining what they originally liked. Maybe throw in those re threader dies as a nice bonus. People liked the geo and soft grindfeel though, idk why they would change that.

Yeah, this is my take on it, too. I like the Classic Ace a lot and only wanted to see maybe a hollow kingpin and axle and a few more sizes. I don’t think any Ace riders were clamoring for a redesigned truck, but ultimately time will tell.

I hit axle on my Classics recently, so maybe I’ll try the AF1s (gotta wear through my 144 and 149 Indys before I can justify more trucks) and then I can have an informed opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 08, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I’m giving my AF1 55s another shot after switching back to classics 55s on my last couple decks. What’s the consensus on how far into the breaking-in process the weird clicking sound stops? I spent about 3 hours on them today and started to enjoy them. Less ghost popping and the turn is starting to feel more like my classics.  Imo the grind being less buttery than the classics is the biggest downside. By the end of the session I thought we were done with the clicking then they mustered up a couple farewell clicks when I was skating back to my car.  I feel like I’m watching Hereditary…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on June 08, 2021, 06:09:48 PM
I’m giving my AF1 55s another shot after switching back to classics 55s on my last couple decks. What’s the consensus on how far into the breaking-in process the weird clicking sound stops? I spent about 3 hours on them today and started to enjoy them. Less ghost popping and the turn is starting to feel more like my classics.  Imo the grind being less buttery than the classics is the biggest downside. By the end of the session I thought we were done with the clicking then they mustered up a couple farewell clicks when I was skating back to my car. I feel like I’m watching Hereditary…

So you're saying AF1's are the preferred truck of Paimon...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on June 08, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
I’m giving my AF1 55s another shot after switching back to classics 55s on my last couple decks. What’s the consensus on how far into the breaking-in process the weird clicking sound stops? I spent about 3 hours on them today and started to enjoy them. Less ghost popping and the turn is starting to feel more like my classics.  Imo the grind being less buttery than the classics is the biggest downside. By the end of the session I thought we were done with the clicking then they mustered up a couple farewell clicks when I was skating back to my car.  I feel like I’m watching Hereditary…

I'm assuming thats from the pivot cups breaking in?  Chuck a speed cream / oil drop in that sucker. 

I’m about to pull the trigger on some 66 AF1s as my first pair of aces, but now this thread has me thinking maybe I should get classics?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 10, 2021, 01:02:27 AM
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Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
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I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.

I feel the same way. After I grind through these 66 AF1s, I’ll set up some old classics and can maybe compare better but right now with the AF1s I feel like I have to make more of an effort to not have my front foot exactly in the middle of the board when pushing if I want to turn well at the same time. Other than that it hasn’t really bothered me so even if they stopped making the classics I’d be ok.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 10, 2021, 08:03:19 PM

I’m about to pull the trigger on some 66 AF1s as my first pair of aces, but now this thread has me thinking maybe I should get classics?

A bit of price difference and a lot of personal preference really, determining what you want.  Size board / width of truck also comes into it some, depending on what size you want.  At least both have smaller sizes (which I don't think about) but both also have even 9.0" but apart from that if you were more a 9.5" truck person, the AF1 77, or a bit less, the Classic 66 in 9.35" width.

OCD has 20% off trucks and wheels right now too, so might be a good chance to get them cheaper, and all relevant sizes in stock too.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on June 10, 2021, 08:21:49 PM
This may be an unpopular opinion, but the classics skate great for me. Why change a good thing? I go through at least one set of trucks a year. 65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on June 10, 2021, 10:04:20 PM
i wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 10, 2021, 10:17:33 PM
i wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck

Some people have said to run the AF1 66 (9") trucks without inside washers and they have worked on boards around the 8.75 size.

I haven't tried it myself, but I know that would be more comfortable for some people than running magic carpet rides on the 8.5" wide trucks.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on June 10, 2021, 11:45:18 PM
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I’m about to pull the trigger on some 66 AF1s as my first pair of aces, but now this thread has me thinking maybe I should get classics?
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A bit of price difference and a lot of personal preference really, determining what you want.  Size board / width of truck also comes into it some, depending on what size you want.  At least both have smaller sizes (which I don't think about) but both also have even 9.0" but apart from that if you were more a 9.5" truck person, the AF1 77, or a bit less, the Classic 66 in 9.35" width.

OCD has 20% off trucks and wheels right now too, so might be a good chance to get them cheaper, and all relevant sizes in stock too.


Yeah the OCD sale is what pushed me into it. Nabbed the AF1 66s. Tad smaller than 169s but they’ll be fine I’m sure!

Also just (hopefully) secured a Krooked Beamer so will need either my 215s on it or the biggest Aces they make if I like these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on June 11, 2021, 07:38:04 AM
I have some Acer Ti axle nuts that are super thin and allow me to run 3 washers inside and one out.  It makes my AF1 55s usable on an 8.75. The outside wheel width is within a couple mm of them on my 159s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 11, 2021, 07:41:31 AM
65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.
warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GlenSuggittsflexfit on June 11, 2021, 09:40:11 AM
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i wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck
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Some people have said to run the AF1 66 (9") trucks without inside washers and they have worked on boards around the 8.75 size.

I haven't tried it myself, but I know that would be more comfortable for some people than running magic carpet rides on the 8.5" wide trucks.
Classic 55s or af1 66s with no inside washers is the sweet spot for 8.62-8.75s. As always brimson knows his shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 11, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
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i wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck
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Some people have said to run the AF1 66 (9") trucks without inside washers and they have worked on boards around the 8.75 size.

I haven't tried it myself, but I know that would be more comfortable for some people than running magic carpet rides on the 8.5" wide trucks.
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Classic 55s or af1 66s with no inside washers is the sweet spot for 8.62-8.75s. As always brimson knows his shit.

Yes.
I haven’t tried the af1 66s, but I’m really into the classic 55’s, and use those on an 8.5 with the speed rings on the outside only, really stoked on it.
I haven’t given the af1s nearly enough time, but if I was looking for an Indy with more turn, that’s what I’d use. The classics are a little more interesting to me at this time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 11, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 11, 2021, 10:44:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D
i've had a similar experience with Ace's top bushings with my Ace 44 classics (haven't tried the AF1's yet because I heard the wheelbase is slightly longer than the classics). It fell off while I was just cruising around on the street. Switched out the top bushing for yellow bones bushings but kept the original Ace bottom bushing. Turns like a dream and I haven't had problems with the bushings ever since.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 11, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
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65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.
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warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45

Where do you see this? I see them listed for $30.99-$31.99 per truck, on their website.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 11, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D

I've rarely seen a better use case for the Krux/Kreaper modification
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on June 11, 2021, 12:19:52 PM
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65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.
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warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45
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Where do you see this? I see them listed for $30.99-$31.99 per truck, on their website.

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/skateboard-trucks#class=1t&sort=dprice&pg=1&brand=ACE|&category=2256
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 11, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 11, 2021, 12:39:28 PM
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65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.
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warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45
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Where do you see this? I see them listed for $30.99-$31.99 per truck, on their website.
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https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/skateboard-trucks#class=1t&sort=dprice&pg=1&brand=ACE|&category=2256

Ahh, I read that as Skate Warehouse. Thanks for the tip, I just hit axle on my 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 11, 2021, 12:46:16 PM
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.

Still fuck Zumiez though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on June 11, 2021, 01:00:23 PM
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.

Skate warehouse is a shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 11, 2021, 02:12:28 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D
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I've rarely seen a better use case for the Krux/Kreaper modification

The Krux kingpin is so short that I dunno how it would work while still maintaining the proper turn plus it’s a bitch to install. I don’t mind grinding through the kingpins & nuts but I want to grind a set of trucks in half and on stock Aces that doesn’t seem very likely. I’ll report back when I’ve managed to either grind a set in half or grind the nuts so down that they won’t stay on anymore even with cut up bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 11, 2021, 02:29:51 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D
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I've rarely seen a better use case for the Krux/Kreaper modification
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The Krux kingpin is so short that I dunno how it would work while still maintaining the proper turn

There is no function of geometry where a shorter pin well above the top of the fulcrum of the truck would result in a different turning radius.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jehoshaphat Augustus on June 11, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
I want to grind a set of trucks in half
(https://i.ibb.co/QY1rZFD/20210611-162929.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZckW362)
Props on both accounts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 11, 2021, 06:03:20 PM

So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.

41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.

Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.

I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick.  :D

Ha yeah, making them go from well used to totally destroyed (while still keeping the nut on) but it is always interesting to see how others find that little hack.

Sometimes I have seen others cut the top bushing too much, but at least you can always put the other bit back under it in a newer set of trucks and the bushings still work as they are supposed to, then cut down another set.

I try to leave about 5mm minimum for the top, but a bit more or less will work too, especially when the truck is so far down you have to use super low tops just to get kingpin clearance.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 12, 2021, 06:43:25 AM
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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.

Still fuck Zumiez though.

Have you tried to ask these other shops to make up for their mistakes? And yes, it's expected that you will pay more at a small shop. But I feel like I shouldn't have to explain to you why it's worth it/important to do so.
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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Skate warehouse is a shop.

.....Nah
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on June 12, 2021, 09:19:07 AM
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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.

Still fuck Zumiez though.

id rather support my friends in their small business than an online retailer any day.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on June 12, 2021, 09:23:34 AM
 
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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Skate warehouse is a shop.
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.....Nah

….YeAh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rip louis b.k. on June 17, 2021, 05:32:35 AM
It’s impossible to switch for the krux kingpin, right? Gotten too used to em’, probably just gonna switch to the K5 if the AF1’s don’t work out for me. Been putting off setting em up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 17, 2021, 06:53:46 AM
It’s impossible to switch for the krux kingpin, right? Gotten too used to em’, probably just gonna switch to the K5 if the AF1’s don’t work out for me. Been putting off setting em up.

Hey man, yeah I tried to do an inverted kingpin conversion with Ace baseplates and although I was able to epoxy the nut properly, the hole above that where more of the solid non-threaded part of the kingpin goes was slightly widened or something, so my kingpin was wobbling back and forth while I skated making a weird clicking sound.

I'm pretty fed up with trying to do inverted kingpins in general, I bought some stage 7's from a slap pal recently and the nut wont fit into the baseplate hole like I thought it should, if I hammer it into there it will just ruin the nut and put stress on the kingpin. At this point I'm going to probably just use an angle grinder on a regular kingpin and use low top bushings.

By the way, if anyone is curious if you can use an AF1 baseplate/classic hanger or vice versa, the former is the only one that works. You have to use a low Ace bottom bushing to retain the classic geometry and not push the wheelbase out. But even if you used a regular height bottom, the kingpin sticks up even higher than if you used a classic baseplate. So basically, for the most part it doesn't really work. I'm still going to try it out today and see how bad it feels on grinds with the kingpin way up there and my hanger ground down 3/4 of the way. Madness has been bad lately. Shalom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 17, 2021, 06:57:19 AM
id rather support my friends in their small business than an online retailer any day.
if I had a local, I'd shop there 100% of the time. Since I don't, I usually just order online from the closest shop that doesn't overcharge. Which is usually something in Texas. No-comply is the best.

As for the ACE AF1 - still digging them. Perfect combo of turn and stability. Prefer the 55s, but I can't imagine them on a regular board (heavy), I mount them on a powell flight 243 (which measures 8.3 top bolts, tapered to 8.25 at the rear).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 17, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
How do they feel compared to Indy 149 hollows? I know the Ace AF1 55s are about the same weight. Maybe more. But would the tighter wheelbase make them feel lighter than the Indy's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 17, 2021, 12:28:27 PM
How do they feel compared to Indy 149 hollows? I know the Ace AF1 55s are about the same weight. Maybe more.
149 hollows are 13oz
AceAF1 55s are 14oz
But would the tighter wheelbase make them feel lighter than the Indy's?
I have 149 titaniums on the new IKP plates - they feel lighter when popping than do the AF1 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on June 17, 2021, 02:34:18 PM
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.

Agreed

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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.

Still fuck Zumiez though.

Shame you had such bad experiences but like the OP asked, did you speak to all those shops to try and get compensated? It does suck when certain customer service levels aren't met but sometimes that can be down to one shit member of staff and I'm sure if you spoke to the management then you'd get taken care of. But if the owner is a wasteman then the shop won't last very long anyway. It shouldn't stop anyone supporting small independent businesses over big corporations though.

 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on June 17, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Agreed

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Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.

Still fuck Zumiez though.
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Shame you had such bad experiences but like the OP asked, did you speak to all those shops to try and get compensated? It does suck when certain customer service levels aren't met but sometimes that can be down to one shit member of staff and I'm sure if you spoke to the management then you'd get taken care of. But if the owner is a wasteman then the shop won't last very long anyway. It shouldn't stop anyone supporting small independent businesses over big corporations though.
its a lot harder on a little shop to handle miss-steps or fuck ups. they usually dont have the budget to compensate, that being said they should know how to ship stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GoldenGateHeights on June 17, 2021, 04:43:20 PM
Anyone skated Aces on an Anti Hero Huffer / Crailtap Phawt shape? Just picked up one + I have some old Thunder 151's that could fit it but I'm tempted to pick up some 55 Classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 17, 2021, 04:59:31 PM
It’s impossible to switch for the krux kingpin, right? Gotten too used to em’, probably just gonna switch to the K5 if the AF1’s don’t work out for me. Been putting off setting em up.

Are you asking if it's possible to switch the Ace kingpin for the hollow Krux kingpin? Because yes, as far as the Classics go, is possible and quiet easy (although I know logjammin ran into trouble with him). It has been discussed at length in this thread, but the Instagram user pretty_rad (I think, correct me if I am wrong) has a detailed post about it. I did it personally and it worked out great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 17, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
Anyone skated Aces on an Anti Hero Huffer / Crailtap Phawt shape? Just picked up one + I have some old Thunder 151's that could fit it but I'm tempted to pick up some 55 Classics

Yes. I've used 151s and 55 Classics. The 55 Classics work really nice but I mostly use this set up in pools and bigger bowls.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 18, 2021, 12:06:32 AM
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Anyone skated Aces on an Anti Hero Huffer / Crailtap Phawt shape? Just picked up one + I have some old Thunder 151's that could fit it but I'm tempted to pick up some 55 Classics
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Yes. I've used 151s and 55 Classics. The 55 Classics work really nice but I mostly use this set up in pools and bigger bowls.

I skated mine best with 151s. 55 classics are my new fave truck tho....so, per usual, I am of no assistance
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 21, 2021, 07:56:52 AM
I've had about 3 sessions so far on the AF1 55's. They turn great right out of the box but I noticed during the 2nd session that maybe the bushings are making a "ticking" sound now...? You know how new bushings make that squeaking sound as they're being compressed and its continual? Well when I turn on these trucks, it isn't a continual sound but a quick creaking/ticking sound. Anyone else experience this on the new Ace bushings? I'm sure it isn't a big deal because they function great, just curious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 21, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
I've had about 3 sessions so far on the AF1 55's. They turn great right out of the box but I noticed during the 2nd session that maybe the bushings are making a "ticking" sound now...? You know how new bushings make that squeaking sound as they're being compressed and its continual? Well when I turn on these trucks, it isn't a continual sound but a quick creaking/ticking sound. Anyone else experience this on the new Ace bushings? I'm sure it isn't a big deal because they function great, just curious.

I'm fairly sure that's a problem with the pour on the pivot cup as has been mentioned earlier in this thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 21, 2021, 08:17:38 AM
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I've had about 3 sessions so far on the AF1 55's. They turn great right out of the box but I noticed during the 2nd session that maybe the bushings are making a "ticking" sound now...? You know how new bushings make that squeaking sound as they're being compressed and its continual? Well when I turn on these trucks, it isn't a continual sound but a quick creaking/ticking sound. Anyone else experience this on the new Ace bushings? I'm sure it isn't a big deal because they function great, just curious.
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I'm fairly sure that's a problem with the pour on the pivot cup as has been mentioned earlier in this thread
what exactly is up with the pivot cups? was my pivot cup just not poured evenly, hence the quick creaking sound? even if it is an issue, i dont think it will effect performance that much but the sound is kinda distracting
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 21, 2021, 08:21:03 AM
The clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 21, 2021, 08:24:50 AM
The clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.
ahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 21, 2021, 08:26:44 AM
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The clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.
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ahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.
I super glued the washer to the nut and that fixed mine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 21, 2021, 11:15:51 AM
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The clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.
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ahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.
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I super glued the washer to the nut and that fixed mine.
what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 21, 2021, 11:19:05 AM
what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol
I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2021, 04:11:28 PM
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what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol
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I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.

Genius at work!

I can just picture bad scenarios where things all get glued together and nothing comes apart, but that way you did it just means that it is doing exactly what you need it to do and not doing what people have had issue with.

Gnar'd


I had a few goes at other things like tape round the kingpin or even blu tac (reusable sticky stuff) between things which seemed to make the clicking stop well enough, but I think your option is the best.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on June 21, 2021, 05:16:08 PM
After a few months, I really like my AF1-55s. We'll see if they hold up but I'm just really happy with how they turn and feel. still more wild than Indys but maybe a little more controlled than the old 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on June 21, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
My classics still have lots of life left, but I went ahead and pulled the gun on some AF1s because they were on sale due to GSD sales.

Now I have to fight the urge to create another set up with those. HAHA.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on June 22, 2021, 11:02:12 AM
Had to get those Af166s for my bigger board (8.875). Skated them only for half an hour today but had lots of fun. Left them at stock tightness and they were a little tighter feeling (obviously) than my 55s were fresh new but still surfy and very controllable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 22, 2021, 12:12:30 PM
I couldn't get down with my AF1's no matter how hard I tried, something always felt off and then right when I'd set foot on my classics I'd get that "ahh" feeling and be right at home. I gave the AF1's to a friend of mine who I've been trying to get to try Ace's for a long time but he's stubborn and has been rolling on his old raw/standard 159 stage 11 Indy's that have a USA stamp on the bottom.

At first he was kinda tripping on how insanely loose they felt but he kept an open mind, then he was like wow, I can seriously turn on these trucks and make split second decisions and control my board like I've never felt before! It was like a proud dad moment for me. He's running them stock, no clicking issues and is gaining back some tricks as well. I think AF1's are better for those who are apprehensive about switching from Indy, they offer more stability and are "tame" compared to the classics, imo. Shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on June 22, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
Kept my AF’1s at stock tightness hoping that the bushings would soften up enough, but that never happened and felt the turning radius was being handicapped the whole time. Today I loosened them about half a turn and everything is much, much better now, they feel like Aces to me again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 22, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
My classics still have lots of life left, but I went ahead and pulled the gun on some AF1s because they were on sale due to GSD sales.

Now I have to fight the urge to create another set up with those. HAHA.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Giza Butler on June 23, 2021, 05:03:21 AM
Long time lurker, first time ACEr.

Got my first set of AF1 66's and I'm loving them, even if they are bigger than the old trucks (Indy 159) but they felt good straight from the get go. Carving is very responsive and it takes less space to turn (if that makes sense) overall they are responding very good and I've gotten used to them in a single session.

The front pivot cup kinda broke in but not to the point it became a problem.

Now it's time to get them all in my quiver...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2021, 06:32:05 AM
I couldn't get down with my AF1's no matter how hard I tried, something always felt off and then right when I'd set foot on my classics I'd get that "ahh" feeling and be right at home. I gave the AF1's to a friend of mine who I've been trying to get to try Ace's for a long time but he's stubborn and has been rolling on his old raw/standard 159 stage 11 Indy's that have a USA stamp on the bottom.

At first he was kinda tripping on how insanely loose they felt but he kept an open mind, then he was like wow, I can seriously turn on these trucks and make split second decisions and control my board like I've never felt before! It was like a proud dad moment for me. He's running them stock, no clicking issues and is gaining back some tricks as well. I think AF1's are better for those who are apprehensive about switching from Indy, they offer more stability and are "tame" compared to the classics, imo. Shalom

Misread this and thought you were saying the AF1's were more stable and turned more than indy's. What a dream that would be.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 23, 2021, 08:02:04 AM
Ace's do turn better and are more stable than Indy though?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mesteezo on June 23, 2021, 08:27:49 AM
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 23, 2021, 08:30:54 AM
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.

I've had the other experience. I have found Ace have a great combination or being able to turn really well going slow but also feel stable at speed. its a nice balance. Indy don't have that. Thunder, while a very very different turning truck, also have that quality.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 23, 2021, 09:59:46 AM
Ace's do turn better and are more stable than Indy though?
They are.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on June 23, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
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what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol
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I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.

Do you feeble and smith much? Feebles especially rotate my washer a lot over time, wonder if yours will just stay put or loosen the nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 23, 2021, 11:54:40 AM
Do you feeble and smith much? Feebles especially rotate my washer a lot over time, wonder if yours will just stay put or loosen the nut.
Yeah I do feeble a lot - I find that after breaking in trucks, the nut usually indents the washer a little bit, and I suppose that dent keeps it in place for me. For instance, on my really used trucks, the washer turns with the nut anyway without any glue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 24, 2021, 01:28:48 PM
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what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol
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I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.
That seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking. If the clicking doesn't go away, then I'll give superglueing the nut to washers a try. Never had this problem with any other truck I've had. I've only had 2 or 3 sessions so far on the AF1's and I'm honestly not as impressed by them as I was when I got the Classics. But we'll see if time will shock me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2021, 01:31:26 PM
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.

I share this opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 24, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
That seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking.
Agreed - shouldn't even be necessary but I'm not going to worry about the things I can't control and I'll be damned if I'm going to have to listen to that shit during the break in process. Weird that it didn't happen to my AF1 44s, but the 55s I got click super loud.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 24, 2021, 01:53:39 PM
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That seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking.
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Agreed - shouldn't even be necessary but I'm not going to worry about the things I can't control and I'll be damned if I'm going to have to listen to that shit during the break in process. Weird that it didn't happen to my AF1 44s, but the 55s I got click super loud.
I'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get is the product to annoy me while I'm putting them to use. If anybody from Ace or the Tershay's lurk this thread.... get your shit together. I know its the first batch of the AF1's but DAMN. Also please DM me for my address once the kinks are worked out because Ace Classics have a special place in my heart now, so much so that I'm still willing to stick with the AF1's. Lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 24, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
I'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get is
Audible Turn Technology
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2021, 04:07:57 PM
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I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.
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I share this opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on June 24, 2021, 07:46:17 PM
How many of y’all are sticking with classics? How many of you are converted to AF-1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2021, 08:05:42 PM
How many of y’all are sticking with classics? How many of you are converted to AF-1?

I'm still on the Classics. No plans to switch to AF1s anytime in the future. Why mess with a good thing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on June 24, 2021, 08:29:56 PM
I’ve debated on going back to classics. But I’m pretty okay with staying with AF1s. Not worth the price though. So if you find them cheaper def cop. But not worth the price especially with how shotty some things are with bushings pivot cups washers etc.

I’m debating on putting Indy Ti hangers on ace classic baseplates  though. My legs just hurt so much from work I’m trying to like save them somehow when I skate. So I’m flirting with becoming a weight weenie
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 25, 2021, 06:17:20 AM
Finally I got to try AF1’s, for me they didn’t felt like ace anymore, not bad but not how I like my trucks. Also brand new trucks, 3rd session in and 2/4 axel nut kept popping of all the time, homie tossed those nuts put some old indy ones on and problem solved. I don’t get it why ace want to fuck up axel nuts again and again, never had any issues with them on until they did the .38 specials and now that?!?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on June 25, 2021, 06:36:16 AM
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I'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get is
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Audible Turn Technology
update: i switched out the top bushings for the stock top bushings from my 149's. the clicking is gone now and the turn feels much more like the turn on the Classics. no need for superglue lol. I'm totally not down to break in those hard ass Ace top bushings the AF1's come with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 25, 2021, 06:55:13 AM
How many of y’all are sticking with classics? How many of you are converted to AF-1?
I switch between them both - I like the classics on 14.38 wb and af1s on 14.25.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2021, 09:22:50 AM
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.

I would agree when comparing ACE classics and Indy Stage XI.

AF1s feel like they are targeted to Indy defectors (as noted previously in this thread) and to fix 'issues' that some had with the way ACE classics differ from every other truck on the market:

Regular sizing
Longer WB
Harder grind
Less Squirrly / More stable
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on June 27, 2021, 05:10:09 AM
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more

Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?

I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me.  I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on June 27, 2021, 06:02:40 AM
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more

Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?

I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me.  I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while

It’s been said countless times in this thread, just break them in at factory tightness. After a few sessions they will be perfect.

I took this advice to heart with my first pair of classic 66s a month ago, and it’s all true. They really are perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on June 27, 2021, 06:43:19 AM
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more

Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?

I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me.  I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while
Feel free to loosen them up; it’s the going tighter that I think you want to avoid, as the classics tend to herniate their top bushing beyond the lip of the top cup-washer when tightened up prior to being “broken in.” Loosening them does not contribute/add to this problem.
I left my classics stock for a few minutes, but wound up loosening they before I had them at the fully broken in phase. No issues to report.

I really love the turn on my Classic 55s. Getting used to the pop & grind may take a minute longer, but be patient… you’re likely going to love yours as well, given a few more sessions on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on June 30, 2021, 04:13:15 PM
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Spanky riding ace?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on June 30, 2021, 04:43:53 PM
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Spanky riding ace?

Just noticed that as well, pretty sure i saw curren with some on someone's story the other day too. The exodus continues.

I think with some of these guys they are probably just trying them out and who knows if they will stay on them, but interesting nonetheless
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 30, 2021, 05:01:17 PM
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more

Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?

I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me.  I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while

I wasn’t feeling my AF1 55s and caved and bought some classics 44s.  I forgot how stiff they are at first but by the end of my fourth session they started to turn like my old classics 55s.  Definitely worth the wait with the stock bushings.  Did loosen the nut on the kingpin to be completely flush (mine came with it tightened down and some threads showing).  The worse the bushings start to look, the better they are.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on June 30, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
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Spanky riding ace?
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Just noticed that as well, pretty sure i saw curren with some on someone's story the other day too. The exodus continues.

I think with some of these guys they are probably just trying them out and who knows if they will stay on them, but interesting nonetheless
No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on June 30, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
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Spanky riding ace?
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Just noticed that as well, pretty sure i saw curren with some on someone's story the other day too. The exodus continues.

I think with some of these guys they are probably just trying them out and who knows if they will stay on them, but interesting nonetheless
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.

Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on June 30, 2021, 07:10:40 PM
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know

Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on June 30, 2021, 07:13:03 PM
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...

Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on July 01, 2021, 12:29:08 AM
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
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Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board

Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 01, 2021, 09:54:59 PM
Was finally able to destroy my classic 44s. Took a good while and breaking in some sharp ass curbs but I got the front truck broken. Shoutout to mbrimson88 for the advice on cutting the top bushing to get the kingpin nut down enough so it’ll hold and not grind down too much.

You can see the front truck bent and cracked before giving in. Back truck still has life left. Will kill that later on. Just got a new set of AF1 66s after grinding down the kingpin nut on my previous pair. I’ll now try to focus on something else than frontside slappies and grinding trucks in half. Maybe learn some new stuff instead.  :D

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on July 01, 2021, 11:10:34 PM
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
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Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board
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Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.

damn no way, i missed that. bobby d one of my favs. would love to see that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on July 02, 2021, 02:44:55 AM
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
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Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board
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Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.
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damn no way, i missed that. bobby d one of my favs. would love to see that

A pal was good enough to screenshot it,
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 02:56:08 AM
Was finally able to destroy my classic 44s. Took a good while and breaking in some sharp ass curbs but I got the front truck broken. Shoutout to mbrimson88 for the advice on cutting the top bushing to get the kingpin nut down enough so it’ll hold and not grind down too much.

You can see the front truck bent and cracked before giving in. Back truck still has life left. Will kill that later on. Just got a new set of AF1 66s after grinding down the kingpin nut on my previous pair. I’ll now try to focus on something else than frontside slappies and grinding trucks in half. Maybe learn some new stuff instead.  :D



So rad!!!!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2021, 05:46:18 AM
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.
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Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
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Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board
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Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.
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damn no way, i missed that. bobby d one of my favs. would love to see that
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A pal was good enough to screenshot it,
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
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Love seeing stuff like this
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on July 02, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ1S6zRtXkW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
This one is most likely someone else's board but Ace must be loving all this unofficial coverage of people with other truck sponsors using their trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 02, 2021, 12:49:30 PM
New account, but not made to just slam Ace, got locked out of my old one.

My AF1's got the dreaded click pretty quickly. I like the tool a lot actually, but lost the damn key. Also Ace is supposedly sending trucks to a ton of riders so I wouldn't think anything of it until you see them with footage from a major sponsor or on the team page.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anti-bolts on July 03, 2021, 11:48:48 AM
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.

anybody know what shoes hes wearing in that? my aces got the clacking but i just got used to it and thankfully dont have the pivot cup problem others had
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doomstation55 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:21 PM
Ya I took out my AF1 77s for just the second time and started getting clicks. They’ve been otherwise great, and The size is perfect for my Heroin bigger egg.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on July 03, 2021, 11:22:38 PM
Ya I took out my AF1 77s for just the second time and started getting clicks. They’ve been otherwise great, and The size is perfect for my Heroin bigger egg.

The click thing has come up in this thread so many times. Just take the top bushing washer off - problem solved!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chrisskates808 on July 04, 2021, 12:00:58 AM
wanted to try skate inverted kingpins on AF1 as i am on my classic ace but taking the af1 kingpins out is a bitch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smoothbrain on July 04, 2021, 04:40:45 AM
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Ya I took out my AF1 77s for just the second time and started getting clicks. They’ve been otherwise great, and The size is perfect for my Heroin bigger egg.
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The click thing has come up in this thread so many times. Just take the top bushing washer off - problem solved!

Exactly! It's such a non issue and the noise goes away after a couple of skates even if you keep the washers on, I don't understand why people are so upset about it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on July 04, 2021, 04:17:12 PM
I know the click shouldnt be acceptable but

am i the only one who doesnt mind clicks and squeaks much??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 04, 2021, 05:12:33 PM
Finally tried out the AF1s today. I purchased them the week they came out but have been holding off trying them. I'm coming off Classic 44s and onto AF1 55s. I only had an hour or so curb and flatground session on them  but I like them. I also had a new deck (very steep Hockey) so not really fair to compare to the Classics just yet. Anyway, first few grinds felt a little off but after a handful of slappies they were grinding really nice. I'd say a better curb grind than the Classics. The turn is amazing as always but does feel a little different to the classics. Maybe a tad more controlled. The bushings are still really spongey and I really hope they firm up a bit and improve rebound as they break in. I was getting pretty bad wheel bite even with a riser, with the same wheels I had on my classics without risers. My slappy crooked grinds seemed a lot better. Perhaps a better pinch than the classics? My flip tricks were way off today but I'm putting that down to the Hockey deck... way too steep nose/ tail for my taste.

All these minor changes are really just that though. Maybe they will last longer? And the slightly wider size is nice but nothing mind blowing. I didn't notice any weight difference. Its still great to ride  brand new trucks that turns properly right out the box without having to mess around with bushings.

Oh yeah, I had some minor clicking but it went away. I don't think it was the washer digging into the hanger though as there were no marks. I have had clicking on Thunder, Indy and Ace Classics though and its always gone away as trucks break in so I am not worried.

Looking forward to trying them on transition and seeing how I like them once I get used to the Hockey deck. Also have some 66s set up to try out soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anti-bolts on July 06, 2021, 09:25:40 PM
I know the click shouldnt be acceptable but

am i the only one who doesnt mind clicks and squeaks much??

yes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 07, 2021, 04:47:08 AM
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I know the click shouldnt be acceptable but

am i the only one who doesnt mind clicks and squeaks much??
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yes

A little click is fine but if my trucks are squeaking I will take the hanger off in the middle of a session to wax the pivot cup or hanger nub.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Giza Butler on July 07, 2021, 05:33:28 AM
I haven't had the chance to skate them too much, but I heard a single click on my AF1 66's and it didn't really bother me much. Noticed that the pivot cup is a bit low quality but overall it's good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on July 07, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
heyo Aces, I've got a pair of classic 44s on the way from a pal and I'm curious what y'all think is the best route to get them broken in would be. I've really only ever ridden Indys with stock bushings recycled from one set to the next, no bushing caps, loose as a goose for my 145lb ass. Tips are appreciated. thanks

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 07, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
heyo Aces, I've got a pair of classic 44s on the way from a pal and I'm curious what y'all think is the best route to get them broken in would be. I've really only ever ridden Indys with stock bushings recycled from one set to the next, no bushing caps, loose as a goose for my 145lb ass. Tips are appreciated. thanks

I'm about 180 so different experience but I usually ride them stock or with a flat washer up top. You could probably try them stock for a few sessions then adjust if you need to. Classics usually take a bit of riding around to break in but once they are I have never had a set break on me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 07, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
heyo Aces, I've got a pair of classic 44s on the way from a pal and I'm curious what y'all think is the best route to get them broken in would be. I've really only ever ridden Indys with stock bushings recycled from one set to the next, no bushing caps, loose as a goose for my 145lb ass. Tips are appreciated. thanks

The standard advice is just to ride them as is and the bushings will break in quickly. Worked for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on July 07, 2021, 08:16:34 PM
Yup just have at it and ignore when/if the bushings get fucked looking, they’ll ride fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: PatrickSkateman on July 07, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
How are the 03 lows?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 08, 2021, 02:22:44 AM
Flying to Portland today, didn't feel like checking extra bags or my board. Gonna go to shrunken head and get a complete to ride while I'm there, maybe mail it back or just leave it there with family. Hopefully they have some af1s, been wanting to try a set but couldn't really justify it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2021, 08:09:01 AM
Shrunk has them. So does Cal's Pharmacy and Cal Skate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 10, 2021, 07:19:58 AM
After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jay_nev on July 10, 2021, 08:41:44 AM
After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1
glad I missed absolutely nothing that’ll matter when I ride my skateboard
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 10, 2021, 09:06:47 AM
After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1

If you're trying Ace for the first time and you like the Classic sizes, I'd just go Classic and save a few $s. If you become an Ace convert then try the AF1s at a later date.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 11, 2021, 03:45:35 AM
I have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 11, 2021, 05:18:56 AM
I have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh

I JUST set up a new complete tonight with ACR A1 66s, and one of the mounting holes was too small for the bolt!!!

The shop owner rolled her eyes and said ‘we’ve had a lot of that with Ace, including one truck missing a mounting hole’.

Fuck. I haven’t heard any of that on here, so unfortunately it just might be the shipment to Japan.

Fortunately she had a drill with the right sized bit and I got it on. Worked beautifully after that.

But fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 12, 2021, 05:56:31 PM
Rode for a couple days, meh. Anyone in Portland wanna buy a setup with a shrunken head shop deck, 8.38, a set of af1 55's, 56mm f4 classics 99a, and reds?
Title: Ace pivot cups
Post by: gabbesucks on July 12, 2021, 08:38:36 PM
How do you guys slow down the inevitable pivot cup destruction with Ace? Mine usually last about a week only
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 13, 2021, 07:46:19 AM
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After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1
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If you're trying Ace for the first time and you like the Classic sizes, I'd just go Classic and save a few $s. If you become an Ace convert then try the AF1s at a later date.

They were basically the same price so i just got AF1 44s.
Just asking for my bag full of emergency backups, which bushings fit in there? Nobody around me offers ace bushings, but indy, thunder, doh-doh and sunrise bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 13, 2021, 08:24:10 AM
swapped out my 44 classics for my AF1 55s on my FA 8.25 deck and i like it. much less all over the place and so much more stable. the bushings broke in quite nice too. oh and the clicking is gone. very noiceeeeeee
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 13, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
So I recently borrowed my buddy's angle grinder and used it on my Ace classic baseplate kingpins and made the mistake of not setting the nut and ended up grinding them down a little too far. The only backup baseplates I had were from the AF1's that I didn't care for, so I did the same with them and this time I set the nut. It melted the nylock inside the nut and also the top bushings, then I had to let them cool down and take everything apart and scrub the crud off the kingpin with a wire brush. Seems like the slight difference in geometry causes the AF1 kingpins to sit pretty damn high with a classic hanger on em, so in the end it offered some help with clearance but not too much since my hangers are ground down pretty far.

This is my first time trying the angle grinder method and I think you can buy em for pretty cheap. It's still a slight hassle having to mess around with your trucks that much, but I think it may be the better option compared to the inverted kingpin method. No hammering, JB welding, etc. Just grind the kingpin down and then use a shorter top bushing and you're good to go. Oh, and if you keep the grinder level and pay close attention you can make sure the nut catches the threads afterward and you won't need a thread die. Hope this helped any other truck maniacs, shalom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on July 13, 2021, 11:35:59 AM
So I recently borrowed my buddy's angle grinder and used it on my Ace classic baseplate kingpins and made the mistake of not setting the nut and ended up grinding them down a little too far. The only backup baseplates I had were from the AF1's that I didn't care for, so I did the same with them and this time I set the nut. It melted the nylock inside the nut and also the top bushings, then I had to let them cool down and take everything apart and scrub the crud off the kingpin with a wire brush. Seems like the slight difference in geometry causes the AF1 kingpins to sit pretty damn high with a classic hanger on em, so in the end it offered some help with clearance but not too much since my hangers are ground down pretty far.

This is my first time trying the angle grinder method and I think you can buy em for pretty cheap. It's still a slight hassle having to mess around with your trucks that much, but I think it may be the better option compared to the inverted kingpin method. No hammering, JB welding, etc. Just grind the kingpin down and then use a shorter top bushing and you're good to go. Oh, and if you keep the grinder level and pay close attention you can make sure the nut catches the threads afterward and you won't need a thread die. Hope this helped any other truck maniacs, shalom.

I’ve been debating on doing this to my AF1s. Which top bushing did you use? Or how much shorter did you take take the bushings? I got 3 threads showing and I wanna cut them off and maybe get a thinner top nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 13, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
I have a schizoid OCD box filled with a mountain of truck components and bushings, from the looks of what I grabbed I'm pretty sure they're Krux, basically any top bushing out there is shorter than Ace's. What kingpin nut are you referring to? If I can find one that's shorter and grind down more of the kingpin with angle grinder round 2 then I definitely will. Shalom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doctorkickflip on July 14, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
Rode for a couple days, meh. Anyone in Portland wanna buy a setup with a shrunken head shop deck, 8.38, a set of af1 55's, 56mm f4 classics 99a, and reds?
Damn can you leave it at my buddy's house in SE? I'm gonna be down there for August and had planned on doing what you did, just buying a setup when I get there. I usually skate 8.5 but damn if the price is right....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 14, 2021, 05:29:01 PM
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Rode for a couple days, meh. Anyone in Portland wanna buy a setup with a shrunken head shop deck, 8.38, a set of af1 55's, 56mm f4 classics 99a, and reds?
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Damn can you leave it at my buddy's house in SE? I'm gonna be down there for August and had planned on doing what you did, just buying a setup when I get there. I usually skate 8.5 but damn if the price is right....

Sorry already hopped on my plane. Left it with my lady's little bro haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaderSk8r on July 14, 2021, 07:45:23 PM
Cyrus riding aces in the new Huf commercial if anyone cares
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 15, 2021, 07:35:20 AM
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I have a schizoid OCD box filled with a mountain of truck components and bushings, from the looks of what I grabbed I'm pretty sure they're Krux, basically any top bushing out there is shorter than Ace's. What kingpin nut are you referring to? If I can find one that's shorter and grind down more of the kingpin with angle grinder round 2 then I definitely will. Shalom.
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Trimming down the top bushings will help with the height too, especially if you feel like you have taken the kingpin down too much, as the Ace bushings are so tall, so they still work when cut down lots.  I used some I thought I had cut too much (almost in half) but they still worked well on a kingpin that had been skated almost to death and grinded way down past where I thought I could still get a nut on.  An older nut worked well too, already half grinded, but you can take some of the head off once it is on where you need it too.


Re your kingpins - did you grind the top off or cut straight through it?

One other brand board (with crazy tall kingpins) I helped with we left the truck assembly on the board and just cut through the kingpin, but I alternated the cutting so the kingpin would cool a bit, eg cut the front some, then the back some, then went to the front again, so it didn't melt the nyloc or bushing.

I grabbed a couple fresh harder durometer top bushings out of the box and used a cheese grater and shaved em down close to nothing and will be taking off a lot more kingpin with the angle grinder, I'm stoked because it's going to be so much clearance now! My method with the angle grinder is just grind it from the top for awhile, then check to see if everything is even. The AF1 kingpins take a bit longer because I think they're harder than the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FakieDisaster on July 15, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 15, 2021, 08:25:22 PM
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards

I ride 8’ on 33’s from time to time and as long as the kicks are steep it feels awesome to me. Not sure why, but I’ve got it stuck in my craw to try 7.5 on 22’s, or whatever the right size is for that. I usually ride one wide set up and one skinny and I’m curious to see how smaller aces would feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 15, 2021, 09:09:50 PM
Cyrus riding aces in the new Huf commercial if anyone cares

Just watched it in slow mo in a few parts and this is incorrect, they're clearly Indy's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on July 19, 2021, 08:02:14 PM
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately?  I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 19, 2021, 08:15:15 PM
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anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
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I ride 8’ on 33’s from time to time and as long as the kicks are steep it feels awesome to me. Not sure why, but I’ve got it stuck in my craw to try 7.5 on 22’s, or whatever the right size is for that. I usually ride one wide set up and one skinny and I’m curious to see how smaller aces would feel

33s look so good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 19, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
My pivot cups crapped in 2 sessions and the AF1 are in the parts bin. Happened to my friend in an hour.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on July 20, 2021, 05:11:23 AM
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately?  I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate

My front trucks pivot cups busted in a few days. But ace sent me like 2 new sets of pivot cups and they must have expedited it cause I got them surprising fast. Haven’t had an issue with the replacements yet. Happy with the customer service I got
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 20, 2021, 05:12:59 AM
Riptide pivot cups in the AF1 baseplates solve the issue and are still superior to the new "hand poured" stock ones for sure. I'm running an Ace classic 44 hanger with AF1 baseplates and it won't even fit in there with the AF1 pivot cups it's way too snug, so the tides solved the issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on July 20, 2021, 05:59:22 AM
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately?  I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate

Mine that I purchased i the first wave have been solid. Only a bit of pivot cup deformation but I enjoy the occasional slappy and feel that's part of why. Out of all my trucks they're the only ones that don't slant to one side when rolling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 20, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 20, 2021, 01:35:00 PM
I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 20, 2021, 01:53:43 PM
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately?  I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate

Mine got busted right away but I just kept skating them and had zero issues. A pivot cup bushing that is torn a bit isn’t noticeable for me at least unless I look at the trucks so I don’t really care.

Sure it would be nice if they held up properly but the benefits of Aces far outweigh the small pivot cup bushing issue IMO.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on July 20, 2021, 02:16:41 PM
I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
completely in no mans land
do it just to piss people off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on July 21, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.

Ooh nice idea! Might gonna try it ^_^
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on July 21, 2021, 03:38:53 PM
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I have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh
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I JUST set up a new complete tonight with ACR A1 66s, and one of the mounting holes was too small for the bolt!!!

The shop owner rolled her eyes and said ‘we’ve had a lot of that with Ace, including one truck missing a mounting hole’.

Fuck. I haven’t heard any of that on here, so unfortunately it just might be the shipment to Japan.


Nice, really selling me on these aces…

Fortunately she had a drill with the right sized bit and I got it on. Worked beautifully after that.

But fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on July 21, 2021, 10:10:53 PM
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.

The 78s are great aren’t they? There is a way to make them even better though. Mount the barrel one on a 3/8” piece of all thread with a flat washer and a couple nuts 1 top/1 bottom, toss that in a drill press and hit it with a sanding block with 40 grit to rough shape down, then 80 grit for second roughing, 120 or 180 to finish. Then you’ve got super soft conicals. Way deeper turn than barrels. Take the top bushing and sand the bottom down about 1/4” and you can get them super floppy. Use the Ace top if you want a harder one(like you are already). Even Joey said if you’re not fucking with your bushings your loosing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie varial flip on July 22, 2021, 10:25:07 AM
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 22, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links
i heard that Krux bushings are compatible with Aces. They're the right size and don't mess up the geometry apparently
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 22, 2021, 12:33:04 PM
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links

I blew out my Ace bushings eventually and replaced them with Mini Logos. Measured with a caliper, the bottom bushing was the same height and the top was like ~1mm taller. They're perfectly fine bushings, BTW
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie varial flip on July 22, 2021, 08:55:57 PM
Thanks for all the help, I'll check out the krux and minilogo bushings. Good to hear there's at least something I can do, I fucking love these trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on July 22, 2021, 09:40:39 PM
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I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
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completely in no mans land
do it just to piss people off

One of my best friends, which rides the most ratchet set-ups I know got some new Indy hollows and said he couldn’t get used to them after a week of skating, so he put the hangers on some beat up krux baseplates (which were mine at some point) and says they are much better. He was already riding them with thunder hangers. To be honest, I want to puke every time I think about it.  :(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 23, 2021, 05:22:24 PM
Thunder aftermarkets are underrated in Ace's. I found some white 90a ones in my junk box and they might be just as good if not better than stock Ace bottoms, same height too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: southphillytapwater on July 25, 2021, 07:56:44 AM
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on July 26, 2021, 02:21:08 AM
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anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
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I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.

My favorite setup ever was a squared Roger 8" deck with 33's. Ace trucks on a board that feels more agile already is so fun, the height is perfect too. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 26, 2021, 11:57:13 AM
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anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
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I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.
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My favorite setup ever was a squared Roger 8" deck with 33's. Ace trucks on a board that feels more agile already is so fun, the height is perfect too.

Roger are underrated decks. Loved my Roger 8.25 with Ace 44s, great combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TimmyB88 on July 27, 2021, 07:30:48 AM
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 27, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
Krux bushings are compatible with Ace trucks. But dude, just break the stock bushings in. Give it time and you'll realize what the hype is about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 27, 2021, 08:58:57 AM
Ace bushings will firm up for sure, but mini logo bottoms are the same height assuming AF1s use the same size as the classics. That being said, an Indy bottoms are  supposedly 1mm lower but neither my eyes nor my (non-digital) calipers can account for any difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 27, 2021, 09:12:38 AM
Ace bushings will firm up for sure, but mini logo bottoms are the same height assuming AF1s use the same size as the classics. That being said, an Indy bottoms are  supposedly 1mm lower but neither my eyes nor my (non-digital) calipers can account for any difference.

I just measured my indy 88s conicals with digital calipers and the bottoms are 14mm just like ace. The top bushing is smaller though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on July 27, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
b. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.

Did you keep the washer?  I measured Bones and Ace with calipers and they are within a few hundredths of an inch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2021, 10:52:17 AM
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.

Krux bottom bushing with stock top is really nice. I weigh 180 lbs, so I can still get a nice carve out of them without too much wheelbite. I still like the stock bottoms, but I think they’re definitely designed for the average skater who weighs a bit less than I do
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TimmyB88 on July 27, 2021, 12:11:19 PM
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bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
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Krux bottom bushing with stock top is really nice. I weigh 180 lbs, so I can still get a nice carve out of them without too much wheelbite. I still like the stock bottoms, but I think they’re definitely designed for the average skater who weighs a bit less than I do.


alright then I will try the krux bushing. I'm around 210 lbs. I'm not down with wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 27, 2021, 02:40:47 PM
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on July 27, 2021, 09:10:47 PM
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom

Does the classic hangers go well in the af baseplates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 27, 2021, 10:29:19 PM
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom

The pivot cup on mine seems to have firmed up after a few months of skating them. The loose pivot was one of my biggest complaints when I first got them.  I agree about them grinding worse on metal. I think the trade off is that they grind a lot better on concrete/pool coping. I’m definitely going back to classics when it’s time to replace them. I’ll deal with the shit quality in exchange for the better performance that the classics offer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 28, 2021, 01:56:59 AM
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MalHuis on July 28, 2021, 04:38:59 AM
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well different as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this its different?

Fixed it for you! Guess its kind of the point when upgrading a truck, there is always going to be pro's and cons on each feature based on peoples opinion. For some people your worse is their better.

Loving my af1 55s, no pivot shit, had clicking for a sesh or 2 but its gone. Bushing are perfect when broken in. Love the grind on metal/concrete etc.
Its a heavy truck though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 28, 2021, 05:52:13 AM
Can we compile a spreadsheet of bushing heights (brand new bushings only). I’m dead serious, would be an easy thing to do and will help all the people with truck madness get their shit sorted.

All bushing heights, brand new, upper and lower with and without the included washers (where applicable), measured with calipers in millimeters.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 28, 2021, 06:17:16 AM
Can we compile a spreadsheet of bushing heights (brand new bushings only). I’m dead serious, would be an easy thing to do and will help all the people with truck madness get their shit sorted.

All bushing heights, brand new, upper and lower with and without the included washers (where applicable), measured with calipers in millimeters.

King Brimmo kinda got started. @Mbrimson88 I have this bookmarked and think about this shit way too much.

Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.


From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.


Low Bushing Set

Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness


Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness


As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:

Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Venture stock 94a
Total  22.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total  21 mm
Top  8 mm
Bottom  13 mm


* Added Venture in here as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 28, 2021, 06:32:24 AM
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I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom
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Does the classic hangers go well in the af baseplates?

It kinda worked for me, but I had to use Riptide pivot cups because the stock pivot cups in the AF1's won't even allow the classic hanger to fit inside, then the stock classic pivot cups were too short inside the AF1 baseplate. The kingpin also sits higher for some reason so you gotta angle grind it down or go inverted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on July 28, 2021, 06:34:53 AM
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 28, 2021, 07:19:48 AM
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.

55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on July 28, 2021, 07:27:23 AM
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Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
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55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.

Yeah I'm not a big fan of my wheels sticking out because they're wider, guess I'll eventually order a set of AF1 55s but I still got a pair of the old 55s that I need to grind down to the axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 28, 2021, 08:37:05 AM
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Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
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55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.

That's the magic question and I concur with the answer. Still can't believe Ace didn't add an 8.75" axle to their rotation with the AF1s.

I love Ace but will always have a Thunder or other 8.75" truck in the equipment box just in case...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TimmyB88 on July 28, 2021, 09:46:00 AM
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Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
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55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.
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That's the magic question and I concur with the answer. Still can't believe Ace didn't add an 8.75" axle to their rotation with the AF1s.

I love Ace but will always have a Thunder or other 8.75" truck in the equipment box just in case...
I'm an 8.75 guy and reached out to them on instagram about some trucks and they will be adding it to their lineup but wouldn't tell me when. I imagine it will fuck up the sizing charts once again...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 28, 2021, 09:54:43 AM
Praise Jah!

Will likely take another year or so... is my guess....

Appreciate the update. Thanks for DMing them like A MAN.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 28, 2021, 10:41:56 AM
I feel how some do about the 8.75" size, but with 8.38". I wish they kept that width for the AF1 44's, it's such a good in-between size that has a range of board sizes it's compatible with, and with a couple axle washers on the inside it's plenty of hanger to grind on, while not having a slower turn compared to a wider truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on July 28, 2021, 11:25:24 AM
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this?

after that ronnie sandoval clip im convinced they in fact do not test shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 28, 2021, 12:58:57 PM
I feel how some do about the 8.75" size, but with 8.38". I wish they kept that width for the AF1 44's, it's such a good in-between size that has a range of board sizes it's compatible with, and with a couple axle washers on the inside it's plenty of hanger to grind on, while not having a slower turn compared to a wider truck.

Yeah but at least you've still got the Classic 44s as an option. And let's be real here, the AF1s are not that much better than the Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sbmfj on July 28, 2021, 01:09:41 PM
Are the af1’s that much heavier than the classics?  Thinking of swapping over from Indy’s.  Local shop has a sale on the AF1’s 44’s. Classic or af1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on July 28, 2021, 02:30:09 PM
I grabbed a pair AF1 55s and Classic 66s on sale.

Now I'm fighting the temptation to set them up.

Too many in my quiver already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on July 28, 2021, 04:15:06 PM
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.

I'm rolling on AF1 55s with three washers on the inside and thin titanium nuts.

  https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on July 28, 2021, 05:19:48 PM
Maybe it’s been brought up in this thread before, but maybe not. Anyone having issues using washers on AF1’s?

I can barely get the axle nut to sit flush with the end of the axle when I use both washers. Bearings are fully pressed into the wheels too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 28, 2021, 09:04:41 PM
People say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: aythembones on July 29, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
People say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.

In the short time I was on my AF1 44's (before the pivot cup cracked, still awaiting replacement going on two months time) I noticed the newly designed axle nuts on the front truck kept loosening on their own. I tighten them down pretty much all the way too, very little play if any but still every few days I'd have to tighten them back up as they would get really loose. I was riding on pretty rough streets and over occasional cobblestones so lots of vibration but still, that doesn't happen to me with regular axle nuts. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. I'd hate to get an injury because of faulty equipment. If or when I skate mine again I'm going to swap out the new fancy axle nuts for standard ones. I also hope the washer click on the kingpin goes away, it was driving me mental.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 29, 2021, 05:30:47 AM
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People say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.
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In the short time I was on my AF1 44's (before the pivot cup cracked, still awaiting replacement going on two months time) I noticed the newly designed axle nuts on the front truck kept loosening on their own. I tighten them down pretty much all the way too, very little play if any but still every few days I'd have to tighten them back up as they would get really loose. I was riding on pretty rough streets and over occasional cobblestones so lots of vibration but still, that doesn't happen to me with regular axle nuts. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. I'd hate to get an injury because of faulty equipment. If or when I skate mine again I'm going to swap out the new fancy axle nuts for standard ones. I also hope the washer click on the kingpin goes away, it was driving me mental.

You should be able to just stick a black plastic Indy pivot cup in there. My local sells them for $.99.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 29, 2021, 06:39:42 AM
Maybe it’s been brought up in this thread before, but maybe not. Anyone having issues using washers on AF1’s?

I can barely get the axle nut to sit flush with the end of the axle when I use both washers. Bearings are fully pressed into the wheels too

Damn! I log on to read this after stopping at my local yesterday, kinda "inspected" a bunch of AF1's while chatting and the ends of the hangers had like wonky conical tips with one side sticking out farther than the other one, which would probably cause something like what you're describing to happen. Sounds like these new trucks might be stronger but the quality control still ain't there man  :-\
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 29, 2021, 07:40:05 AM
Maybe it’s been brought up in this thread before, but maybe not. Anyone having issues using washers on AF1’s?

I can barely get the axle nut to sit flush with the end of the axle when I use both washers. Bearings are fully pressed into the wheels too

My last pair of classics had the same problem. I know some others on here reported the same. This is the first time I’ve heard of this on AF1s though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 29, 2021, 07:42:27 AM
Just set up some AF1 55s last night with classic 54mm wheels and there is no room for extra washers that's for sure. Very snug fit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: aythembones on July 29, 2021, 07:55:01 AM
You should be able to just stick a black plastic Indy pivot cup in there. My local sells them for $.99.

I'm wanting to experience them completely "stock" so I can decide if I will use them in the future. Ace has told me twice they've sent me replacements but they never show and they can't find any tracking or record they were sent. I'm awaiting an email response from them again. I have some extra Riptide pivots but the hanger rattles around a lot when I put them in so I would prefer to wait. I would buy some here in Belgium but Ace are not very popular yet and I only know of two shops that stock Ace and they haven't even got any AF1's yet. Ace does not even have them in stock for sale on their website. The skate supply shortage is still affecting some of the shops here pretty badly. They have decks galore and trucks mostly from DLX brands but everything else is still low stock and catching up to normal. Mail usually takes about two weeks to get here from the US so I have no idea where they went to, I'll just keep on waiting. The bushings have yellowed so much just sitting that they look like Formula Four urethane! Haha! I think I'm going to end up just buying more AF1's from the USA, they will get here before the pivot cups I would wager!

Thank you for the suggestion though, I appreciates it.

Update: Of course right after I type this I cruise through my local shop links and find that Skateshop.be just got AF1's in. Might order some 33's right now! I'm still debating though, these trucks seem to have many problems. I am content with Thunder, always have been. I may just be sending myself into the "truck madness" everyone speaks of. Why not though, I think we arere heading to more covid lockdowns so I'm going to have a lot of days for experimenting!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on July 29, 2021, 08:27:41 AM
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.

I ride Af1 66 on 8.75", one washer inner axle. There isn't any noticeable axle sticking. I believe I would get quicker turn with 55s and slightly faster flips but even with 66s I have no problem and I love the extra stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 29, 2021, 11:17:19 AM
tried the af1's for a couple of weeks and then put my classics back on. from my experiencing of trying both out, the classics are way better. by a mile. the only thing i think are better on the af1's are the bushings, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 29, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
I'm really happy with my af1 44s, only changed the top washer because it started cutting into the sides of the top bushing (kingpin nut is flush, not tight). Why is everyone still using the curved washer design that destroys all bushings?
Using flat washers now on every truck. I still wish there was a lighter version though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on July 30, 2021, 08:21:58 AM
how’s the af1’s with bones bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CorneliusCardew on July 30, 2021, 08:40:57 AM
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People say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.
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In the short time I was on my AF1 44's (before the pivot cup cracked, still awaiting replacement going on two months time) I noticed the newly designed axle nuts on the front truck kept loosening on their own. I tighten them down pretty much all the way too, very little play if any but still every few days I'd have to tighten them back up as they would get really loose. I was riding on pretty rough streets and over occasional cobblestones so lots of vibration but still, that doesn't happen to me with regular axle nuts. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. I'd hate to get an injury because of faulty equipment. If or when I skate mine again I'm going to swap out the new fancy axle nuts for standard ones. I also hope the washer click on the kingpin goes away, it was driving me mental.

I am happy to say that I was not injured by that faulty equipment. The only faulty equipment that ever hurt me was my royal trucks when the kingpin snapped on a tiny little Ollie but I was going fast and it sent me down hard on the pavement.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bongwater Mojito on August 02, 2021, 04:12:19 AM
My AF1 trip so far:

Been on Indys, Ace Classics and Films last years. Films started to need replacement, set up AF1 44s. First impressions: horrible, numb, ghost-popping heavy piece of metal. Switched AF1s out, rode old trucks for few weeks. Curiosity took over, back to AF1s, with more patience this time. Started getting used to them, maybe after 5-6 sessions I was pretty happy except occasional ghost pop and timing suddently getting lost. They actually felt good, until pivot cup blew out yesterday. I happened to have Riptides in my box, so replaced them.

Not sure what to think, at this retail price one would maybe expect a bit better QC, on the other hand, can't deny the turn feels nice and somehow more stable than with Classics. The break-in time felt definitely longer than any other truck, even Films.

Maybe I just didn't pay any attention to these things 15-20 years ago and happily rode any garbage sales could call as "trucks"...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TastyBurrito on August 02, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
Where can I find ACE replacement bushings?

Noticed that my bushings are pushing in to the washers and getting cut up. I didn't even tighten them down (stock looseness). Guess I really am that fat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2021, 02:24:09 PM
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Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
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55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.
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That's the magic question and I concur with the answer. Still can't believe Ace didn't add an 8.75" axle to their rotation with the AF1s.

I love Ace but will always have a Thunder or other 8.75" truck in the equipment box just in case...
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I'm an 8.75 guy and reached out to them on instagram about some trucks and they will be adding it to their lineup but wouldn't tell me when. I imagine it will fuck up the sizing charts once again...

60 should be just fine; fuck their conventions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 03, 2021, 08:00:08 PM
decided to grab a set of 55 af1s and ended up tweaking my ankle (minor) as they arrived lol. i’m coming from indy 149s. i aligned the two together and noticed that the ace’s wb looks abit funky to me.

for anyone who’s made the switch recently, what have you noticed?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 03, 2021, 08:35:07 PM
decided to grab a set of 55 af1s and ended up tweaking my ankle (minor) as they arrived lol. i’m coming from indy 149s. i aligned the two together and noticed that the ace’s wb looks abit funky to me.

for anyone who’s made the switch recently, what have you noticed?

I just got some AF1 55’s after riding Classics and Indy’s. I haven’t measured, but honestly to me the wb feels roughly the same as ace classics, which is slightly in from Indy.

I’ve also never had any of the QC issues with any aces I’ve had (5 pairs of classic, 1 AF1).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 05, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
It seems lots of people are disappointed with AF1's at this point, but the other day I skated with 2 "Ace Pilots", who were both on classics and agreed vaguely that "they didn't see the point in the new trucks and didn't really like them" whatever that actually means.

Another friend that works at a shop pointed out that Ace tried to pull a Venture and gave tons of trucks to pros, but the ones he has seen locally all went back to what they were on before and from my limited time on IG it seems the same for people such as Spanky that were seen rocking them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 05, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
Yeah I started to wonder how many pros would think "wtf" when they heard the weird way the trucks sounded and performed. I tried to keep rolling on my AF1 44's to give them another shot but the grind is super sticky for me. I will post the pic if anyone wants to see it, but since the stock AF1 pivot cups didn't do it for me, I went with Riptides and it caused a lot of play back and forth in the pivot cavity. The metal has already deformed substantially on the rim and I'm surprised it never ripped apart the pivot cup. I guess the "molecular level" strength isn't as strong as forged...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on August 05, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
tried the af1's for a couple of weeks and then put my classics back on. from my experiencing of trying both out, the classics are way better. by a mile. the only thing i think are better on the af1's are the bushings, but thats about it.
came back to give an update. the classics are still better. haven't touched my af1's in a while and i don't plan on remounting them on my go-to. maybe its bc i got the 8.5 inch axle ones and i ride 8.25's. once my ace 44 classics are done, i COULD get the 8.25 inch axle AF1's but i'm hard pressed to even do that because i like the classics better anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: juniormint on August 05, 2021, 11:43:12 AM
Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.

These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.

I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.

Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.

All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 05, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.

These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.

I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.

Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.

All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.

Are these your first Ace Trucks, then?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: juniormint on August 05, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
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Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.

These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.

I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.

Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.

All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.
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Are these your first Ace Trucks, then?

Yep
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on August 05, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
Saw Bledsoe post in his story a setup with some Ace's and wonder if he was on that list of ppl who got them as promo

Thought y'all were tripping about the clicking, mine just started and now I see what you all mean.

As much as I like the slightly longer wheelbase, at this point I do prefer my classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 05, 2021, 05:58:07 PM
skated the af1 55s today. i’m skating em on a 8.5 14.25 wb fa. coming from indy 149s the pop feels off. hella ghost pop. tho i’m gettin the hang of em. the turning is amazing on these joints and this is coming from someone who dislikes loose trucks. so far i dig em. probably will go back to indys after this setup or two cus bombing hills seems like something i will not do on aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on August 06, 2021, 05:18:12 AM
I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on August 06, 2021, 08:57:33 AM
I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.

You made the right choice. AF1s grind on concrete better than classics. They will probably hold up better than classics too if you’re skating curbs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doomstation55 on August 06, 2021, 11:42:47 AM
I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.

I have this combo more or less (I have the very big egg which is the same shape just not razor top), AF1 77s with F4 classic 53s and it is a curb dream. You’ll be very happy with it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on August 06, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
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I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.
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I have this combo more or less (I have the very big egg which is the same shape just not razor top), AF1 77s with F4 classic 53s and it is a curb dream. You’ll be very happy with it.

Awesome! Thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 09, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
After lurking for a long time, reading everyone’s opinions and making some of my purchase decisions based on this, I’ve decided to also create and account and share my experience.

Until about two weeks ago I skated an 8.75 anti hero classic eagle with a 14.56 wheelbase. I first tried a pair of 8.75 Thunder High Lights II (151) on it, but it just felt off, popping and shove its just felt weird, which also showed in my incapacity to do decent flip tricks on it. I then tried Ace Classic 55’s (9.0” axles) which worked really great on that board. I tried indy’s and thunders, and I’ve always kept experimenting with bushings, but nothing really felt right. With the Ace Classics, for the first time I had the feeling I could ride them pretty loose (loose compared to my other trucks) while still having that stable center to pop my ollies and flip tricks. Although I had a lot of space to land, I started to notice that the setup was quite bulky and heavy, so I recently decided to go back to skating an 8.5 deck (Real deck with 14.38 wheelbase.

Since the 9” Ace Classic 55 where a little wide, I first tried riding it with my Thunder 151’s. It was OK, but the thunders somehow felt weird. Turning wasn’t as good as the Aces, and i got a lot of wheelbite when not landing in the centerline of my boards.

Today I went to the local skateshop to purchase a pair of aces again. I was in doubt between the classic 44’s and the AF1 55’s. I eventually chose the AF1 55’s since they matched the width of my deck better and I was curious to try them.
All I did so far was ride them for 15 minutes around my neighborhood while leaving them stock (one, maybe 1,5 thread showing). My first impression in that short period of time was the incredible steering compared to my thunders. I could make really right turns without having any wheelbite (I ride  54mm wheels). Even with the busings still feeling pretty loose in the beginning for a 185lbs/85kg guy, the stable center felt really nice, just like the classics have. Even after that short ride, I already felt the bushings getting a bit stiffer. I’m curious to see how it feels after more skating.

The steering definitely doesn’t feel like Indy trucks. So far it feels a little different then the 55’s classic, but the width difference and short skating may not be a fair comparison yet ;)

My initial impression, even though very short, is very positive. When I’ve done some more skating on them, I’ll share my further experiences :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on August 10, 2021, 02:32:12 AM
Saw Bledsoe post in his story a setup with some Ace's and wonder if he was on that list of ppl who got them as promo

Thought y'all were tripping about the clicking, mine just started and now I see what you all mean.

As much as I like the slightly longer wheelbase, at this point I do prefer my classics

He's got them in his story today, and in Carl Aikens new Huf edit. I feel like if he was just sampling them he'd be done by now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 11, 2021, 07:45:26 AM
All right, yesterday I had my first actual skate session on my Ace AF1 55’s. My initial impression was that they turn a bit sharper than the classics and the classics seemed to have more of a stable platform in the center. On the other hand, my classics were also 55’s, so those were 9” instead of 8.5”. The metal seems to be a bit harder as others have mentioned. It was a short session though, and I wasn’t in very good shape yesterday.

Has anyone already tried putting the AF1 hangers on the classic baseplate? Or put the classic bushings in the AF1’s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2021, 09:21:14 AM
Ace is all over the grams posting about pivot cups, so
I assume that they are all back in stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on August 11, 2021, 02:46:19 PM
I actually like the new Af1s more than the classics so figured I'd drop my 2cents.

I skated my first pair of Aces, 44 classics,  for about 3 months this spring. Then moved to Af1 55s and have been riding those for the past 3 months, so I feel like I had a good chance to break them both in back-to-back and feel the differences.

The break-in time was much better on the Af1s (about 3-4 sessions on the Af1s, while the Classics need about twice the time). The Af1s seem to have better quality bushings and pivot cups, so that might explain the break in time. Speaking of pivot cups, I haven't experienced any shredding on either set.

I did experience the clicking sound on my Af1s, but over time it slowly went away. Oddly, I got a pair of Titanium Independents around the same time and they also clicked. I really think this is just a new truck issue, and it never affected my skating.

I also keep reading that people think Af1s stick on metal, which also seems to just be a new truck issue. I'd bet that until you grind through some concrete first, most trucks feel sticky on metal? I learned this the hard way on the brand new Independents - tried grinding a metal bench I always skate near my house and stuck HARD every time I tried to 50-50 it. Switched to my broken in Af1s and it grinded just fine.

One thing I noticed with the Classics was I could not stop my kickflips from rocketing, but that went away as soon as I switched to Af1s. I'd attribute that to the slightly longer wheelbase on the AF1s, however the turning feels just as good and maybe more "stable at center" on Af1s.

I also noticed that the metal on the classics wore away too fast - I had a noticeable groove in my baseplate from skating a concrete ledge for less than 2 hours, while an almost identical session on the AF1s just left normal wear.

Overall I'd guess that people's problems with Af1s clicking and grinding have to do with "new truck issues". Unless you love the inbetween size of Classic 44s, and for some reason want soft metal that won't last very long, get the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on August 11, 2021, 02:49:57 PM
What's the best hard/medium bushing for AF1s. Like the Indy black and the indy blue equivalent
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whale on August 13, 2021, 07:45:59 AM
Second session on AF1’s, the clicking just started.
Does it go away of do I have to fix it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doomstation55 on August 13, 2021, 07:53:41 AM
Second session on AF1’s, the clicking just started.
Does it go away of do I have to fix it?

Yeah mine went away after a few sessions
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whale on August 13, 2021, 09:59:34 AM
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Second session on AF1’s, the clicking just started.
Does it go away of do I have to fix it?
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Yeah mine went away after a few sessions
Pretty much went away during the session
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TimmyB88 on August 13, 2021, 11:05:24 AM
What's the best hard/medium bushing for AF1s. Like the Indy black and the indy blue equivalent

Still trying to find this out myself... Ace made some comment on instagram recently that harder bushings will be available soon. I'm using a Krux bottom barrel and stock top ace on my AF1 and its been way better than their squishy bottom that comes stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gabbesucks on August 14, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 14, 2021, 07:18:15 PM
Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)

Yes. Classics and AF1s. It’s just how it goes with Aces.

I just keep going until the situation is dire enough for the pivot cup bushings to need a replacement and then repeat until the trucks are dead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 14, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)

idk about shredding but mine are melting. barely even a total week of skating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
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What's the best hard/medium bushing for AF1s. Like the Indy black and the indy blue equivalent
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Still trying to find this out myself... Ace made some comment on instagram recently that harder bushings will be available soon. I'm using a Krux bottom barrel and stock top ace on my AF1 and its been way better than their squishy bottom that comes stock.

Just buy the Indy bushings. The bottom are 1mm different and you can sand or cut the top to match. If you really wanna be anal about the swap, get a slightly thicker bottom washer from a hardware store or put a few plastic shims between the bushing and washer to preserve the geo.

But honestly if you’re doing that just ride Indy’s. Ace’s tight makes little sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on August 14, 2021, 08:34:35 PM
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Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)
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Yes. Classics and AF1s. It’s just how it goes with Aces.

I just keep going until the situation is dire enough for the pivot cup bushings to need a replacement and then repeat until the trucks are dead.
My front truck pivot cup is liquefying. I’ve done a lot of damage to gear and had some weird things happen, but I’ve never had a pivot cup melt away before. That’s a first for me. I haven’t been doing slappies either
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: scavenger on August 14, 2021, 11:10:23 PM
Re: AF1s and clicking: I had this. Took the hangar off, waxed the top and bottom of the hangar where the bushings sit, waxed the bushings themselves, put a bit of wax in the pivot cups for good measure, haven't heard any clicking since. Was it the wax, or some side effect of taking them apart/putting them back together? We may never know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2021, 11:26:53 PM
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Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)
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Yes. Classics and AF1s. It’s just how it goes with Aces.

I just keep going until the situation is dire enough for the pivot cup bushings to need a replacement and then repeat until the trucks are dead.
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My front truck pivot cup is liquefying. I’ve done a lot of damage to gear and had some weird things happen, but I’ve never had a pivot cup melt away before. That’s a first for me. I haven’t been doing slappies either

Pretty common with AF1’s at least among a few friends that have tried them and this thread. They’re a weird gummy consistency. Mine blew out 2nd session and I got replacements and they still click and I’m now skeptical of using them.

Anyone want some barely used 44 DM me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 15, 2021, 08:32:33 AM
I’m an Ace Pilot™️, but I can’t believe the crap people are putting up with to skate these trucks. Maybe they’ll have it all fixed in another year or two with a V2, but there is nothing in this thread which would make me want to swap out my Indys or Ace Classic 44s for the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on August 15, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
How many ace pilots actually ride the af1s? I needed no fixing at all, the clicking was there for a bit but that aside, everything works just great. Might as well swap the classics back for some time since Idon't remember how they felt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whale on August 15, 2021, 01:31:28 PM
How many ace pilots actually ride the af1s? I needed no fixing at all, the clicking was there for a bit but that aside, everything works just great. Might as well swap the classics back for some time since Idon't remember how they felt.
So far I love mine. Had to adjust a little to the softer bushings and clicking, but new trucks are ALWAYS a hassle. Some adjustment is expected.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gri on August 16, 2021, 01:31:48 AM
Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.

These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.

I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.

Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.

All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.

This pretty much sums up my experience as well. I really like them.so far.

However, there is one thing that I struggle with: fs smith grinds and fs feeble grinds on transition became impossible as I always lock in on the kingpin. that sound kills me.

Anyone else having problems with that or know how to fix it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 17, 2021, 01:54:26 PM
All right, had my third session on my AF1 55’s, and I must say they really start to feel like ace trucks now :) The bushings are starting to firm up. The turn feels sharp, accurate and carvy, while still having that stable platform in the middle, just like the classics. They may feel slightly different from my old classics, but those were 9” while my current ones are 8.5”, so that might not be the best comparison.

I’m not gonna lie, when I just got them they felt extremely loose… I was getting loads of wheelbite, and I was really missing the stable center that the classics had. Initially, they felt more like indy’s to me, but I’m really happy with them now :)

For anyone getting the AF1’s and not feeling quite satisfied after the first few hours, just get through the first few sessions and they will really start to feel like true aces :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 17, 2021, 03:14:40 PM
I'm breaking in some AF1 55s right now also and share your thoughts @mvdbosch90

Took a bit to get used to but now I'm really digging them. Grinding great on metal and concrete now they are broken in also. No issues with pivot cups yet.

can't wait for some Af1 8.75" axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tom on August 19, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
I emailed ACE to see if the issues I was having on a brand new set of AF1’s were normal. This thread is 150 pages long, so there’s a bunch of stuff I missed. They replied back within a couple hours. Within a couple of days a replacement set of trucks showed up at my doorstep. I really like the way the trucks skate, but I also really like their customer service and the people that work there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 20, 2021, 06:43:52 AM
Buddy of mine works at a shop and got a text from a rep with a sneak peak of a bunch of AF1 baseplates in both hi and lo with hollow kingpins. He couldn't confirm if they'll have hollow axles though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on August 20, 2021, 06:47:17 AM
Buddy of mine works at a shop and got a text from a rep with a sneak peak of a bunch of AF1 baseplates in both hi and lo with hollow kingpins. He couldn't confirm if they'll have hollow axles though.

So are they selling baseplates with hollow king pins separate or are they gonna be for a different version of the af1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 20, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
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Buddy of mine works at a shop and got a text from a rep with a sneak peak of a bunch of AF1 baseplates in both hi and lo with hollow kingpins. He couldn't confirm if they'll have hollow axles though.
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So are they selling baseplates with hollow king pins separate or are they gonna be for a different version of the af1

No idea. That's the only info the rep provided was the sneak peek photo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 20, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
8.75" axle talk only.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on August 21, 2021, 02:48:52 AM
Just chiming in to say I bought a set of 55 classics again after being on the Af1 55s for a few weeks. They feel great, making me think there really isn’t much difference between the two, though they are a completely different size. To be honest I’m liking them more than my old 55 classics and that might be because I actually don’t like the AF1s enough. Older bushing/pivot cup feel nicer IMO.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doomstation55 on August 21, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
Welp my pivot cups got shredded after about a month of skating em regularly. Will Indy pivot cups work as a replacement? What have other ppl used besides riptides?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on August 21, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
Referring to one’s self as an “ace pilot” gives me second hand embarrassment. You fools are basing your personality around a skateboard truck. With that said, thunder gang 4 lyfe
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on August 21, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Referring to one’s self as an “ace pilot” gives me second hand embarrassment. You fools are basing your personality around a skateboard truck. With that said, thunder gang 4 lyfe
you clearly have know control
i agree with the "pilot" bit but wrong thread for slander
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on August 23, 2021, 10:19:08 AM
I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 23, 2021, 10:34:49 AM
Welp my pivot cups got shredded after about a month of skating em regularly. Will Indy pivot cups work as a replacement? What have other ppl used besides riptides?

Riptide sells the same pivot cup for both Ace and Indy, so one can presume that they are also interchangeable if they’re from Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 23, 2021, 11:50:51 AM
A lighter AF1 with fixed pivot cups would be sick.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 23, 2021, 06:26:40 PM
I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022

Really wish they would make a hollow version of the classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on August 23, 2021, 07:18:53 PM
They sold the AF1s at almost light or hollow prices so I wonder how much the hollows will be? My dumb ass will probably get them though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kevve on August 25, 2021, 05:01:03 AM
So i liked the aces af1s so much that my cruiser fast became my main board. But i've now realised 9" trucks & board is pretty hard to flip.

My regular board is a 8.75 and thinking about what truck size Will fit it best.. af 55 with double Speed rings or 66 without rings, i think i've read here that u can run af1s without Speed rings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 25, 2021, 06:01:13 AM
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I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022
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Really wish they would make a hollow version of the classics

Finally! I will be trying these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Srt32srt on August 25, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
I've had the same pair of ace trucks for well over a year, maybe even 2 and i fuckin love them. they're minimal, after skating with these for so long, when i look at someone else's trucks they look wayyy to big to me. they got the most fantastic crooked grind groove ever too, BUT, the pivot cup is all fucked up, i tried taking them apart and replacing the pivot cup but they put something in there so it won't come out. i tried pliers to no avail and even tried to burn it out but the fumes and the fact that it might not work were freaking me out so i just put it back on all mangled. as of now it rides fine i guess but it turns to one side so bad.

so, too long, but is there any way to get those fucking pivot cups out? i guess my second concern is that i do finally get it out and the new one i have doesn't fit in right. but i really don't want to buy new trucks. what's the word?

use and ice pick or and pointy screw driver and just pry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: topfrog10 on August 25, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 25, 2021, 01:11:15 PM
I feel like they're worth trying, if for no other reason than just the experience of riding them. I flip back and forth between ventures and aces and they're like polar opposite trucks. Even if you absolutely hate them, they're hot enough right now that there's no shortage of kids who'd be hyped if you gave them a broke in pair of aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kevve on August 25, 2021, 02:12:38 PM
i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.

If you'd want a truck with more turn Id say give them a try for sure. Tonight i tried to go back to indys after riding af1s for a month and they're feeling dead, stable and all but the turn is no way near af1s.

I love mine and cant see myself riding anything else now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 25, 2021, 02:51:31 PM
i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.

I have been on Ace's for many years and as much as I tried to like the AF1's they just have some major issues that I personally cannot deal with, mainly the pivot cups and high kingpin length, along with the longer wheelbase feeling weird as it gave me more wheelbite and whatnot. Classics are great but sloppy quality control with each set, and again, long ass kingpins.

Never skated Ventures in my life until last weekend I got a set of 5.8 standards and I was blown away. Swapped out the stock bushings for softer supercush's and waxed the stock pivot cups. They are super stable and still turn very well, I think the "they don't turn" echo is false, just make sure it's on a 14.25" or shorter WB I guess, since that's what mine are on. I'm done with Ace until maybe they can sort their scatterbrain research and development process and china quality control. Would I still choose Ace over Indy though? All day.

TL;DR if you are not itching to try the Ace turny geometry, don't worry about missing out on much more than that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 26, 2021, 06:54:57 AM
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i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.
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I have been on Ace's for many years and as much as I tried to like the AF1's they just have some major issues that I personally cannot deal with, mainly the pivot cups and high kingpin length, along with the longer wheelbase feeling weird as it gave me more wheelbite and whatnot. Classics are great but sloppy quality control with each set, and again, long ass kingpins.

Never skated Ventures in my life until last weekend I got a set of 5.8 standards and I was blown away. Swapped out the stock bushings for softer supercush's and waxed the stock pivot cups. They are super stable and still turn very well, I think the "they don't turn" echo is false, just make sure it's on a 14.25" or shorter WB I guess, since that's what mine are on. I'm done with Ace until maybe they can sort their scatterbrain research and development process and china quality control. Would I still choose Ace over Indy though? All day.

TL;DR if you are not itching to try the Ace turny geometry, don't worry about missing out on much more than that.

I wonder if the low baseplates have a shorter kingpin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Space Cowboy on August 26, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
switched to ace AF1s after thunder hollow lights and the turning radius/grind quality is drastically improved, the hangar shape seemed to make popping out of grinds easier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 26, 2021, 06:45:49 PM
imo the biggest pro of Ace is you can skate big ass wheels without worrying about wheelbite since the wheels arc in so dramatically

The biggest con HAS to be the fact that you cant skate them for shit on a mellow deck. Not even a mellow deck w long wheelbase can fix the shitty pop feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 27, 2021, 02:40:45 PM
Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 27, 2021, 03:11:29 PM
Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.

For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 28, 2021, 01:39:23 AM
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Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
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For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite

Short tails also! I get the best pop with my Krooked Drehobl shape with Ace 55 classics, 1/8” risers and 60mm Ricta Clouds. That thing has a tiny tail. 6.3” I think.

I wish I could get 60mm 97A conical fulls or even find the 58mm anywhere in Europe. That would be a dream setup for the streets over here. And then 99A during the winter indoor park season. One can only dream!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on August 28, 2021, 09:45:15 AM
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Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
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For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
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Short tails also! I get the best pop with my Krooked Drehobl shape with Ace 55 classics, 1/8” risers and 60mm Ricta Clouds. That thing has a tiny tail. 6.3” I think.

I wish I could get 60mm 97A conical fulls or even find the 58mm anywhere in Europe. That would be a dream setup for the streets over here. And then 99A during the winter indoor park season. One can only dream!

nordicskateboardsupply.se have the 58mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 28, 2021, 01:30:24 PM
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Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
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For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
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Short tails also! I get the best pop with my Krooked Drehobl shape with Ace 55 classics, 1/8” risers and 60mm Ricta Clouds. That thing has a tiny tail. 6.3” I think.

I wish I could get 60mm 97A conical fulls or even find the 58mm anywhere in Europe. That would be a dream setup for the streets over here. And then 99A during the winter indoor park season. One can only dream!
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nordicskateboardsupply.se have the 58mm.

Thanks. Someone must have snagged them before me as I can’t find them on the site.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 28, 2021, 08:05:44 PM
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Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
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For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite

you use any risers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 28, 2021, 08:11:09 PM
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Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.

Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
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For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
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you use any risers?

Yeah, I use 1/4 inch risers on all my set ups as I ride everything pretty loose and I like the extra height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ClayH on August 29, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
Switched to AF1s from some indy standards i was only on for about a month or so. I got indy standards after my baseplate holes bored out on my 44 classics thinking i wanted to go back to indy. The turn felt like home and i love the grind but my pop was off and the feel just wasn’t quite there.

I was hanging at the shop the other day and the homie bought a set. I stood on his board and was like, “fuck, these feel good.” so I basically impulse bought.

A couple sessions later and my flip tricks feel so much more dialed and my manual point is back where it should be. I think the 55mm hanger height and shorter wheelbase on the indys did not work in my favor.

2 questions about AF1’s though:

1: The clicking oh god the clicking when will it stop

2: Do they loosen or firm up? They’re a little too tight for me right now and I don’t know when I should touch the kingpin nut. I know you’re supposed to let them break in from factory tightness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 29, 2021, 12:53:13 PM
AF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ClayH on August 29, 2021, 01:39:36 PM
AF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped
So where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 29, 2021, 08:16:02 PM
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AF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped
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So where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?

Wheelbase is longer on Indy, in between on AF1 and the closest together / shortest on Ace Classics.

The thread about wheelbase is here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0

So although there is not a listing for AF1, it is about this (from general measurements):

Indy + 3.0

AF1  + 2.85

Ace Classic + 2.75


The other thing is Ace trucks are lower than Indy by about 2 mm, which can have a difference too.


Clicking can be fixed easily enough - change out the washers, put tape round the kingpin or other things people have said that has worked in the past.

Bushings take a bit to wear in but generally are good within a week, depending on how long you skate, how much you mess with them, or especially if you tighten them up too much.

I think that is about it.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 30, 2021, 06:58:47 AM
Lower than standard Indy. I’m a forged hollow dude so I got AF1 thinking they’d be basically a replacement as I care more about height than weight. Pivot cups melted. Grind was great tho on granite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on August 30, 2021, 07:13:59 AM
Lower than standard Indy. I’m a forged hollow dude so I got AF1 thinking they’d be basically a replacement as I care more about height than weight. Pivot cups melted. Grind was great tho on granite.


Threw my Indy ti on and they grind so much better. I love ace. My flip tricks seem better with ace but the sticky grind is hard to work with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 30, 2021, 09:46:56 AM
Weird, I’ve always liked Ace grind. Venture are the slowest but I just get used to it after a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bob Loblaw on August 30, 2021, 11:03:52 AM
Do the classic's baseplates work fine with AF1 hangars?
Sorry if I missed this somewhere else in the thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 30, 2021, 12:07:15 PM
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AF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped
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So where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?

I've read some people measuring +2.85 and I'm not sure if they're actually that different or people are measuring differently, but mine and the ones a homey got are exactly +2.95. I re-measure it every time someones asking, just out of curiosity and I'm very confident about the measurement at this point.
So they're basically the same as indys, 1mm difference. +2.85 would be almost 4mm difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ClayH on August 30, 2021, 09:25:47 PM
Thanks for the insightful replies on the wheelbase matters. I guess the height really is what does it for my flip tricks. Had one of the best sessions I've had in quite some time last night and I'm gonna say that was on AF1's part. My board just felt right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hazesack on August 31, 2021, 12:32:07 PM
Thanks for the insightful replies on the wheelbase matters. I guess the height really is what does it for my flip tricks. Had one of the best sessions I've had in quite some time last night and I'm gonna say that was on AF1's part. My board just felt right.

I have the exact different experience with my flip tricks, when i'm riding my AF1s. I get a lot of ghost pop and my kickflips feel like shit, as does all the other tech stuff. The session i had today made it clear. I got another set up with Thunders (+Real Risers) and it's perfect for flips etc.. But the Ace's feel so much more fun to just cruise around the park, do a 50 here and there and do some simple fun stuff. Guess i just need 2 set ups now, depending where i am going to ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on September 04, 2021, 02:09:31 PM
Oski has some different looking aces on his board here. Originally there was a different post that had a better shot of the trucks from the front but that has since been deleted and now there’s this post which doesn’t have the same truck picture. Interesting that it would be deleted. Maybe some new ace model? Seems weird since they just dropped the af1s

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTYlrY1FuaL/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on September 04, 2021, 02:12:37 PM
Oski has some different looking aces on his board here. Originally there was a different post that had a better shot of the trucks from the front but that has since been deleted and now there’s this post which doesn’t have the same truck picture. Interesting that it would be deleted. Maybe some new ace model? Seems weird since they just dropped the af1s

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTYlrY1FuaL/?utm_medium=copy_link

There was talk of a hollow AF1 dropping next year or something so maybe its that? I didn’t see the original pics though so no clue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 04, 2021, 02:59:11 PM
It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 04, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)

Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 04, 2021, 05:24:31 PM
I've heard from a friend that knows a friend, that Oski is starting a new Truck Brand... I though he was tripping but now seeing that image I actually start to believe it! Curious to see how that's gonna look like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 04, 2021, 07:28:07 PM
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It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
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Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking

How would that even turn :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 04, 2021, 07:35:40 PM
I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022

(https://i2.wp.com/www.theterminatorfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Ill-be-back.jpg?resize=940%2C450&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 04, 2021, 08:44:49 PM
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It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
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Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking
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How would that even turn :P

Seriously, I am very confused about that truck and am extremely curious to see how it works.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 05, 2021, 01:12:42 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qsfS302/Bildschirmfoto-2021-09-05-um-10-11-26.png) (https://ibb.co/qsfS302)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gabbesucks on September 05, 2021, 04:52:44 AM
Very interesting
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gabbesucks on September 05, 2021, 06:07:09 AM
I've heard from a friend that knows a friend, that Oski is starting a new Truck Brand... I though he was tripping but now seeing that image I actually start to believe it! Curious to see how that's gonna look like.

Reliable source just confirmed Oski is creating a truck brand called Lurpiv

https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/trademark/trademark-detail/018383125/LURPIV
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smoothbrain on September 05, 2021, 06:24:42 AM
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I've heard from a friend that knows a friend, that Oski is starting a new Truck Brand... I though he was tripping but now seeing that image I actually start to believe it! Curious to see how that's gonna look like.
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Reliable source just confirmed Oski is creating a truck brand called Lurpiv

https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/trademark/trademark-detail/018383125/LURPIV

The company that registered the trademark is the same company that Oski posted on his story a few weeks back talking about being the first skater using their bearings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on September 05, 2021, 06:26:57 AM
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It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
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Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking
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How would that even turn :P
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Seriously, I am very confused about that truck and am extremely curious to see how it works.
Looks like what ace would look like in THPS 1.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 05, 2021, 07:58:55 AM
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It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.

That one might be the clearest pic...


(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
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Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking
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How would that even turn :P
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Seriously, I am very confused about that truck and am extremely curious to see how it works.
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Looks like what ace would look like in THPS 1.

Lmao
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on September 05, 2021, 09:45:35 AM
is there even bushings in those trucks lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 06, 2021, 05:14:41 AM
is there even bushings in those trucks lol


Oski new truck brand thread here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118396.0


I took a few more screen grabs, as well as another pic from Dan's post, but as they are not Ace, I thought I would not repost the pics here in this thread.


You can see it all here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118396.msg3633454#msg3633454


They sure do look interesting though...

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 06, 2021, 07:01:17 AM
Looks like Bobby’s time on Ace was short lived just like every other pro that got free AF1 box: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTesLcujz7S/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 06, 2021, 08:12:33 AM
Looks like Bobby’s time on Ace was short lived just like every other pro that got free AF1 box: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTesLcujz7S/?utm_medium=copy_link

All of their pivot cups exploded
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on September 06, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
One point I haven’t heard anyone make in here.

I’ve been riding an indoor park with wood flooring for years, it’s an ice rink.

Depending on the day and the humidity、it can get pretty crazy.

Anyways, I love doing long powerslides in there, and I noticed that my Ace are way more stable. Maybe it was the extra width of the classic 66s over the 169s I was using, by I don’t think so.

There is something about the trucks that helps me when I powerslide, especially frontside. It feels like the wheels are in the right place, I can’t describe it any better than that. 

Anyone else have a similar experience?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on September 06, 2021, 12:02:45 PM
same here. went from 149s to 55s few months ago. bombing hills and doing powerslides feels nice on the af1s! my 149s always had bones hard bushings too and the aces still feel more stable. my af1s are tightened about 1-2 threads showing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on September 08, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
same here. went from 149s to 55s few months ago. bombing hills and doing powerslides feels nice on the af1s! my 149s always had bones hard bushings too and the aces still feel more stable. my af1s are tightened about 1-2 threads showing

I have similar experience. I always used to ride pretty tight trucks with harder bushings for stability on my pops/tricks. When I started riding Ace I could actually ride loose trucks while still having that stable center :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 08, 2021, 05:47:53 AM
think the powerslide can be attributed to the tight WB. you have more weight (ability to control/initiate a slide) over the outside edge of the wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gabbesucks on September 08, 2021, 11:17:11 AM
https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E (https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E)

lol @ 01:26

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/885225998919016448/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on September 08, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E (https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E)

lol @ 01:26

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/885225998919016448/unknown.png)

Not to mention that he says he skates Ti, but then takes the Ti hanger off and makes them just forged hollows. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gabbesucks on September 08, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
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https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E (https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E)

lol @ 01:26

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/885225998919016448/unknown.png)
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Not to mention that he says he skates Ti, but then takes the Ti hanger off and makes them just forged hollows.

Noticed that too haha, must’ve hit his head or something. He also said he used to ride smaller boards like 8.5 with 139 but rides bigger boards like 8.5 with 159 now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2021, 04:11:49 PM
It's amazing to me that so many pros don't know what the fuck they ride "forged titanium baseplate"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 08, 2021, 05:36:06 PM
Is it just me or that video now comes up as private?

Anyone care to share the who, what, etc?

The comments remind me of Evan Smith with one 149 and one 159 truck in his video.


EDIT:

Just saw the email notification, so guessing it was this one:


(https://i.ibb.co/r4QkJnS/mail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gcd7jgL)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
Maybe they took it down because he's repping a brand and product but sounds like a dumbass when speaking incorrectly about a product he thinks he uses that doesn't exist?

Sweet ass barrier 50-50 tho.

Also, that 'free lunch' beard is on lock.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 08, 2021, 09:09:52 PM
Someone wanna explain this? I have no idea what is being implied here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on September 08, 2021, 09:11:58 PM
Is it just me or that video now comes up as private?

Anyone care to share the who, what, etc?

The comments remind me of Evan Smith with one 149 and one 159 truck in his video.


EDIT:

Just saw the email notification, so guessing it was this one:


(https://i.ibb.co/r4QkJnS/mail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gcd7jgL)

damn, they really took it down..i was like "whaaat, took of the titanium hanger and put on the hollow ones ? whaaaat? titanium forged baseplates?"..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on September 08, 2021, 10:06:42 PM
I think I know what's going on here. This dumbass thinks "forged titanium" only refers to the baseplate, and probably thinks the axles are regular steel ones. Wanting the lightest truck possible, he switched the hanger for a hollow axle one, thinking that it would make it even lighter (cause hollow means light durr"). Yeah, it's unbelievable how so many pro's have zero clue about gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: HyperBeam on September 08, 2021, 11:34:40 PM
Yeah, it's unbelievable how so many pro's have zero clue about gear.

you might be onto something there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on September 08, 2021, 11:43:50 PM
It's even wilder that this was supposed to be an official marketing video and no one realized before putting it online. Clueless. :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: maggot cunt on September 09, 2021, 02:37:29 AM
damn can anyone do that thing where you can watch removed videos through a mirror or whatever ? i wanna see this mad shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 09, 2021, 04:36:57 AM
Really makes you wonder how much of a weight reduction is placebo effect. Almost as if titanium is more of an expensive “bragging right “ over hollow. He’s not the first to think the baseplate is titanium either. I think Servold called it a “titanium baseplate “ too?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 09, 2021, 04:56:37 AM
It doesn't make sense either way because standard/forged aluminium baseplates are way lighter than a titanium baseplate would be. Did any company ever make a titanium baseplate? There's really no reason to do that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on September 09, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
Hopefully he hooks people up with those Titanium Hangers he doesn't use.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 09, 2021, 09:42:48 AM
It doesn't make sense either way because standard/forged aluminium baseplates are way lighter than a titanium baseplate would be. Did any company ever make a titanium baseplate? There's really no reason to do that.

Theeve touted an aluminium Ti 'blend' (which was probably 0.0000000001% Ti in the hanger/plate); not even sure they used the blend in the plate.

Really makes you wonder how much of a weight reduction is placebo effect. Almost as if titanium is more of an expensive “bragging right “ over hollow. He’s not the first to think the baseplate is aluminum either. I think Servold called it a “titanium baseplate “ too?

2 of the heaviest items are the axles and kingpin; I'm a broken record but the Theeve Ti Hollow Kingpins made ALL the difference back when you could still get them and the Tihanger with those pins was like maglight territory.

As for Hollow axle vs Ti, sure it's lighter but only with Indy can I tell a difference on the board. Thunder Ti are the lightest of the big 4 you can get.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on September 11, 2021, 12:41:38 PM
Anyone who blew out an AF1 pivot cup have experience with riptides vs regular af1 replacements? I accidentally bought the regular ace replacement pivot cups and they’re a little smaller and clicking so not going to ride those. Curious if the riptide ones last longer or if any other alternatives exist that won’t mess with geometry.

Edit - does riptide even make an AF1 specific pivot cup? I’m only seeing one option. Seeing as the AF1 stock ones seem to be a bit bigger than OG ace ones not sure if that would mess with geometry at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 11, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who blew out an AF1 pivot cup have experience with riptides vs regular af1 replacements? I accidentally bought the regular ace replacement pivot cups and they’re a little smaller and clicking so not going to ride those. Curious if the riptide ones last longer or if any other alternatives exist that won’t mess with geometry.

Edit - does riptide even make an AF1 specific pivot cup? I’m only seeing one option. Seeing as the AF1 stock ones seem to be a bit bigger than OG ace ones not sure if that would mess with geometry at all.

They do not make an AF1 specific cup AFAIK but it might be worth reaching out to them about.

I too had the stock AF1 cups blow out very quickly and threw some spare Ace RipTides in there. They do work but there is a lot of play in the pivot area so I decided against using them.   


Ace sent me replacements when I contacted them about the cups. 

The clicking you’re talking about is from the washer hitting the kingpin. I haven’t found a solution.   
 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on September 11, 2021, 02:15:13 PM
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Anyone who blew out an AF1 pivot cup have experience with riptides vs regular af1 replacements? I accidentally bought the regular ace replacement pivot cups and they’re a little smaller and clicking so not going to ride those. Curious if the riptide ones last longer or if any other alternatives exist that won’t mess with geometry.

Edit - does riptide even make an AF1 specific pivot cup? I’m only seeing one option. Seeing as the AF1 stock ones seem to be a bit bigger than OG ace ones not sure if that would mess with geometry at all.
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They do not make an AF1 specific cup AFAIK but it might be worth reaching out to them about.

I too had the stock AF1 cups blow out very quickly and threw some spare Ace RipTides in there. They do work but there is a lot of play in the pivot area so I decided against using them.   


Ace sent me replacements when I contacted them about the cups. 

The clicking you’re talking about is from the washer hitting the kingpin. I haven’t found a solution.   
 

Thanks. Seems like the af1 stock pivots are noticeably bigger than standard ones which is a huge pain given the durability issues
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whale on September 12, 2021, 03:32:16 AM
Drop a little crazy glue between the nut and the washer, easy fix
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 17, 2021, 11:31:58 AM
https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw (https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw)

Lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 17, 2021, 12:04:05 PM
https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw (https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw)

Lol

Is this the fixed version of the video everyone was talking about last week?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 17, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
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https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw (https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw)

Lol
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Is this the fixed version of the video everyone was talking about last week?

Yes, almost fixed, still left in the bit where he says 8.5 is bigger than 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 17, 2021, 12:36:32 PM
Certified Creature Moment
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on September 17, 2021, 08:42:48 PM
they cut out all the best bits from the 1st video &#129315;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 19, 2021, 10:35:53 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/xLkCxHX/E207-EE09-A0-D8-4-DBF-A8-A8-87-A2-DF7315-C2.png)

8.75” AF1s coming soon?  ???

https://www.instagram.com/p/CT9pTHMloI1/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on September 19, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/xLkCxHX/E207-EE09-A0-D8-4-DBF-A8-A8-87-A2-DF7315-C2.png)

8.75” AF1s coming soon?  ???

https://www.instagram.com/p/CT9pTHMloI1/?utm_medium=copy_link

I guess it's time for another pair of Af1s. 8.75 truck is an ideal size for me and I love my Af1s, they are my favorite trucks ever (no issues with 55s/66s so far).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 19, 2021, 11:40:14 AM
Sweet 60s!

I wonder what the timeline is....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: anon on September 19, 2021, 02:08:54 PM
when are they going hollow?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on September 19, 2021, 02:55:23 PM
Anyone have good things to say about the 8.38 and 55 Classics combo? I’ve always wanted to try that out since I saw on Instagram a while back (shout out to nozbone skateshop in paris lol) that thats what Remy Taveira skates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 19, 2021, 03:58:57 PM
I wouldn't do 55 Classics on anything less than 8.5" Preferably 8.75" and up...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on September 23, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
Anyone have good things to say about the 8.38 and 55 Classics combo? I’ve always wanted to try that out since I saw on Instagram a while back (shout out to nozbone skateshop in paris lol) that thats what Remy Taveira skates.

interesting setup.  somewhat similar to peter hewitt running the 8.38 on 159 indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on September 23, 2021, 11:11:27 AM
Anyone have good things to say about the 8.38 and 55 Classics combo? I’ve always wanted to try that out since I saw on Instagram a while back (shout out to nozbone skateshop in paris lol) that thats what Remy Taveira skates.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COLQvpKldcY/

Those are 55 AF1

interesting setup.  somewhat similar to peter hewitt running the 8.38 on 159 indys

A girl at my park runs the same setup and I tried out her board the other night. Super stable but hard to flip.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on September 23, 2021, 12:20:00 PM
@twic3

Good catch on the AF1 55s. 

8.5 with the 8.38 makes much more sense than 9 with 8.38 to me. 

I could see the 159 (8.75) on 8.38 working alright.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 24, 2021, 08:07:33 AM
I was hesitant to get some AF1's due to all the pivot cup issues but I found a paid that had perfect pivot cavity in the baseplate.

After 6 sessions, the cup ripped and suddenly there was now a small divot in the cavity in the exact spot that others posted.  I put a new cup in and it ripped in 1 session.

As far as I'm concerned, these things are flawed from a design/manufacturing perspective.  Save your money and avoid the headaches
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 24, 2021, 09:17:03 AM
I was hesitant to get some AF1's due to all the pivot cup issues but I found a paid that had perfect pivot cavity in the baseplate.

After 6 sessions, the cup ripped and suddenly there was now a small divot in the cavity in the exact spot that others posted.  I put a new cup in and it ripped in 1 session.

As far as I'm concerned, these things are flawed from a design/manufacturing perspective.  Save your money and avoid the headaches

Yep. Another thing is that in the past, Ace were always super cool with warranty stuff. But with his they were just like "it is a pivot cup issue", even after I showed them the plates. They sent me a big of cups that blew out right away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 24, 2021, 09:36:12 AM
The people at Ace must know about the pivot cup issue right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on September 24, 2021, 09:47:11 AM
The people at Ace must know about the pivot cup issue right?

I went to Ace’s social media posts and expected to see a bunch of angry Ace fans in the comments about the pivot cup problems but there was nothing. Looks like y’all need to turn the heat up on them to force a response
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 24, 2021, 10:04:44 AM
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The people at Ace must know about the pivot cup issue right?
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I went to Ace’s social media posts and expected to see a bunch of angry Ace fans in the comments about the pivot cup problems but there was nothing. Looks like y’all need to turn the heat up on them to force a response

I sent them pics (twice) and and I know others have, so they are certainly aware. Can't comment on their socials because I am not on there. At the end of the day, I'd rather just move on and skate something else.

Also, FWIW other than a factory issue that they took care of right away, I've never had any QC issues with the 4 sets of classics that I've skated.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on September 24, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
They sent me free pivot cups after mine got destroyed and I sent them a message. Issue is the AF1 pivot cups are bigger than standard so there’s no sufficient 3rd party alternative at moment. Also funny they raised the price of the AF1 pivot cups to $7 while the classic ace ones are $3. So more than doubling the price for a tiny bit larger “hand poured” urethane that disintegrates in a month
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 25, 2021, 04:47:51 AM
Anyone else found that pivot cup issues only happen when you're not running washers? I mostly skate curbs and I used to skate my aces without bushings wiggly loose, I'd go through one pivot cup every session. Since then I've been tightening my trucks until I can use both washers comfortably and I no longer have pivot cup issues at all. I'm guessing this is because
a) washers change the geometry
or
b) looser trucks simply allow the pivot to mash further into the pivot cup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 25, 2021, 06:21:40 AM
Anyone else found that pivot cup issues only happen when you're not running washers? I mostly skate curbs and I used to skate my aces without bushings wiggly loose, I'd go through one pivot cup every session. Since then I've been tightening my trucks until I can use both washers comfortably and I no longer have pivot cup issues at all. I'm guessing this is because
a) washers change the geometry
or
b) looser trucks simply allow the pivot to mash further into the pivot cup

I blew them skating stock bushings, both washers and the nut flush.  I blew the second one using a stock bottom, bones medium top, both washers and the nut flush.

I really think it's the geometry of the truck that puts a lot of pressure on the pivot.  There were a lot of people that broke the pivot on the baseplates with classics.  The AF1s are stronger so that's not happening but the extra pressure is blowing the cups and deforming the pivot area in the baseplates

Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD.  Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on September 25, 2021, 07:46:54 AM
Also blew my ace pivot cups riding comepletlt stock. Got replacement pivot cups. Customer service was great but I did mention the weird fucked up pivot cup cavity and they was more or less like nah you good here’s some pivot cups and stickers. Ace are cool but AF1s was a huge let down for me. I like ace but for that price the tech isn’t their it’s a standard truck with shit design or qc. I like the trucks but it is what it is. They didn’t live up to the hype. They are now gonna be on a tranny only board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 25, 2021, 07:50:43 AM


Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD.  Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.

is that an opinion or a fact?

i'm not saying AF1s don't have issues but Shrewgy and Joey T have a long history of truck design. (Venture, Thunder Indy).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 25, 2021, 12:29:26 PM
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Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD.  Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.
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is that an opinion or a fact?

i'm not saying AF1s don't have issues but Shrewgy and Joey T have a long history of truck design. (Venture, Thunder Indy).

The premise is flawed, in addition to being incorrect. CAD isn’t some sort of magic software that assures everything works flawlessly - every bridge that falls in or condo in Miami which collapses was designed in CAD. You can design shitty things in CAD.

Second, you can’t just hand an old truck to a forge in Taiwan and get back a finished product. Even if Ace didn’t draw it up in CAD themselves (and why wouldn’t they, given that they have experience designing trucks?), they would have contracted with someone to do it for them, probably making a mockup in SolidWorks like 99% of everything else manufactured in the last fifteen years. The didn’t just draw up design freehand and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 25, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
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Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD.  Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.
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is that an opinion or a fact?

i'm not saying AF1s don't have issues but Shrewgy and Joey T have a long history of truck design. (Venture, Thunder Indy).
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The premise is flawed, in addition to being incorrect. CAD isn’t some sort of magic software that assures everything works flawlessly - every bridge that falls in or condo in Miami which collapses was designed in CAD. You can design shitty things in CAD.

Second, you can’t just hand an old truck to a forge in Taiwan and get back a finished product. Even if Ace didn’t draw it up in CAD themselves (and why wouldn’t they, given that they have experience designing trucks?), they would have contracted with someone to do it for them, probably making a mock up in SolidWorks like 99% of everything else manufacturers in the last fifteen years. The didn’t draw up design freehand and hope for the best.

If you believe all that, Joey T has a great place for you to invest $600
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on September 25, 2021, 12:58:10 PM
just wanted to pop in and say that since i’ve gotten my replacement cups for my AF1s they’ve been totally fine. haven’t noticed any cracking or splitting and i’ve been pretty much been skating just curbs for awhile. oh Ace QC…….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 26, 2021, 04:58:04 AM
Yeah ever since the AF1's came out and how much of a shitty experience they were for me, along with the years of dealing with quality control issues with the classics, I really had to come to my senses and stop riding them. I've been on Venture's and not looking back. Feels good to be on a USA made truck that's regular cast with no frills and isn't really all that heavy. The whole ventures don't turn thing is really a myth, just like any trucks dial in your bushings and wheelbase and they are amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on September 26, 2021, 08:03:03 AM
Damn thanks for catching that. I actually had a pair of the AF1 55’s and was kind of miserable… pretty much the same issues everyone else was having but I just donated then after a week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 26, 2021, 11:13:26 AM
Are people having performance issues with the blown out pivot cup bushings?

While I agree that it shouldn’t happen in the first place, I’ve never had performance issues with mine despite them blowing out pretty damn fast on Ace classics and AF1s. I’ve just skated them until the pivot cup is so worn out that the pivot tip starts to touch metal on the base of the pivot cup and then changed them. Usually this takes many many months. I don’t normally even know how mine look.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on September 26, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)

ron's aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LewFarrell on September 28, 2021, 07:36:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUXje54l1yz/?utm_medium=copy_link

Ace just released 94a hard bushings for classics and AF-1's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on September 28, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUXje54l1yz/?utm_medium=copy_link

Ace just released 94a hard bushings for classics and AF-1's.
My prayers have been answered. Nut flush with Aces in a few days. Hallefuckinlujah.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on September 28, 2021, 09:43:15 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)

ron's aces
being a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on September 28, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)


ron's aces
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being a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.

1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 28, 2021, 10:33:52 AM

1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.

Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on September 28, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)


ron's aces
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being a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
that looks like 1 1/4" or at the minimum 1 1/8" which just seems unnecessary. 1" or 7/8" is fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on September 28, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
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Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.

I can’t prove it with anything but anecdotal evidence but my experience has been 7/8” comes loose on me way easier. Maybe if you sink it way into your deck you’re good but I don’t like going further than flush and having my hardware tight as it needs to be right there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 28, 2021, 12:10:36 PM
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
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Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.
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I can’t prove it with anything but anecdotal evidence but my experience has been 7/8” comes loose on me way easier. Maybe if you sink it way into your deck you’re good but I don’t like going further than flush and having my hardware tight as it needs to be right there

A lot of 7/8 hardware comes with shorter nuts, might be why. If you skate risers, i recommend soft rubber ones, they will help a lot with hardware vibrating loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 29, 2021, 05:11:07 AM
My new 66 AF1s lasted 4 curb sessions before my pivot cup broke. Back to indie I guess
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 29, 2021, 06:40:21 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)

ron's aces

I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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ron's aces
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I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 30, 2021, 10:28:03 AM
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ron's aces
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I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
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quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.

It may just be that he prefers the wider width of the Classic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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ron's aces
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I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
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quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.
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It may just be that he prefers the wider width of the Classic.
be that as it may, but whatever the reason is, he still chose the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 30, 2021, 11:41:38 AM
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ron's aces
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I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
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quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.
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It may just be that he prefers the wider width of the Classic.

When you can effectively make up for a width difference that small with washers, I would assume its due to something else. Especially when there is a "superior" option available to you for free. Who knows though, not I, someone DM him like a man. Luan and BA still skate OG formula spits so i guess weirder things have happened.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 30, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
Have heard of several friends breaking pivot cups on these trucks now... really wanted to try them but that alone makes me want to pass. I heard they are very good at sending a replacement though. Is there any plans for this to get fixed in the future?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 03, 2021, 08:06:24 PM
Been giving some Af1 55s and 66s a good seeing to over the last couple of months and I've had no issues so far with pivot cups. Bushings took awhile to feel good (I caved and put Krux top bushings in my 66s to avoid wheelbase) but these trucks are really starting to feel good now. Not sure they are such a huge improvement on the classics but they seem to be more durable thus far.

 Also zero axle slippage and I land primo all the time because I suck...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 01:05:28 AM
My Ace AF1 55s.  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)

and my Ace AF1 33s.  I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)

Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm.  ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 04:22:03 AM
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Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm.  ;)

 ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on October 04, 2021, 04:49:39 AM
My Ace AF1 55s.  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)

and my Ace AF1 33s.  I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)

Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm.  ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.

Talk about looking through rose colored glasses. I loved my classics and AF1s QC and Design flaws left such a bad taste in my mouth I went back to Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 04, 2021, 06:41:05 AM
My Ace AF1 55s.  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)

and my Ace AF1 33s.  I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)

Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm.  ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.

I'm glad you're stoked on ace but to say that there is "not a single complaint from anyone".....let's just say this thread isn't 150+ pages for no reason
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 04, 2021, 07:44:05 AM
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on October 04, 2021, 07:49:09 AM
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i use 7/8" on forged baseplate..and 1” on cast baseplate.
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
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Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.
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I can’t prove it with anything but anecdotal evidence but my experience has been 7/8” comes loose on me way easier. Maybe if you sink it way into your deck you’re good but I don’t like going further than flush and having my hardware tight as it needs to be right there
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A lot of 7/8 hardware comes with shorter nuts, might be why. If you skate risers, i recommend soft rubber ones, they will help a lot with hardware vibrating loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 04, 2021, 08:04:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UOby1Sy.jpg)
Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
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Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.

Hahaha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on October 04, 2021, 09:41:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UOby1Sy.jpg)
Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.
I also ended up buying the hard bushings for my classic 66s. I never tightened them though. Hope they make a difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 10:06:17 AM
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…

1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally?  ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?!  ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 10:32:49 AM


1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.


You are insanely incorrect with this info and digging a hole for yourself with some very well-informed gear heads. All the best...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 10:33:13 AM
And so, it begins…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 04, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
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Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.
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I also ended up buying the hard bushings for my classic 66s. I never tightened them though. Hope they make a difference.
I bought a pair for my classic 66s as well. I sure hope they make a difference too. Hopefully I will test them out this afternoon when I get out of work.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YungJugg on October 04, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
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I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
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My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.

I miss these days. Turn back while you can, before you end up requiring a green ply 8.3 2 1/2 FoF on the nose 1 1/2 FoF on tail BBS with a blunt nose tapered tail with 14.18 WB mellow kicks and average concave deck pressed in the middle of the stack 31.8 L on 5.6 Venture hollows with 88a supercush bushings and a flat top washer and riptide cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 11:29:32 AM
You are insanely incorrect with this info and digging a hole for yourself with some very well-informed gear heads. All the best...

That's funny. You questioning my sanity.  ::)

Son, I've been skating since 1974 and if you and your so-called "well informed friends" I've never met wanna be rubes, that's your business. I have not a sh!t to give. I just have fun skating. Maybe if you educated yourself in regards to engineering and manufacturing, instead of coat-tailing what the rest of the sheep are crying about because you don't have the knowledge to form your own valid opinion, you might realize a few things but no, go ahead and keep trolling the internet. It's easier than expanding your knowledge about something and it's what you're actually good at.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 11:33:35 AM
Big deal. You are incredibly wrong about skateboard deck manufacturing. I don't care how old you are. Don't "son" me. Get some good information under your belt and then we can talk about old man skateboarding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
@Lhotse Its also Joey Tershay not Jeff. I'm a huge Ace fan but you will see some people have had significant  issues with them, if you took some time read through things here. If you don't want to do that, then come in with a bit more humility.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on October 04, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
@Lhotse  man you are just wrong. Age doesn’t equal intelligence or you’d know how incorrect you are. Go stroll on over to the woodshop thread and realize not all of the boards you mentioned are China pressed unless you are from the EU or something and even if some are pressed by the same manufacturer molds and all sorts of variables are in play. You can not care about those nuances and that’s fine. But to say they are all the same or even from the same factory is naive
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on October 04, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
Calling out someone for this:

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I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
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2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally?  ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?!  ::)


while posting this in the same thread:

and my Ace AF1 33s.  I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)


makes you look like a giant douche.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 12:12:30 PM
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 12:37:40 PM
I don't think this is the place for me.  ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 04, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
OK, boomer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 12:43:27 PM
Quick question before you bail @Lhotse

Did you quit skateboarding and start again due to the Dogtown documentary?

And you are not a pro. Dumb analogy. You are old and out of touch. Being old is fine. I'm old. Being out of touch is fine. But know when you are and own it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on October 04, 2021, 12:53:45 PM
I don't think this is the place for me.  ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)

Also you:
My Ace AF1 55s.  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)

and my Ace AF1 33s.  I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)

Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm.  ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.
My new slappy/pool board. 10x33 Moose blank, Indy 215s, a custom paint job that will cost MORE than the rest of the board, side rails and these 'trash' 53mm wheels with a huge radius on the inside and a small contact patch, along with cheap bearings for Slappy Grind Saturdays with the crew.
I swap out the wheels and bearings for 56mm Spitfire F4 Full Conicals with Bones Swiss 6 Balls for pool riding.

(https://i.imgur.com/O7ICn3D.jpg)
Fuck off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 12:57:15 PM
Fuck off.
Fuck your mother for both mistakes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 12:58:02 PM
OK, boomer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
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Fuck off.
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Fuck your mother for both mistakes.

Go get some grind marks on those Aces and come back when you've got a groove going.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on October 04, 2021, 01:01:32 PM
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Fuck off.
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Fuck your mother for both mistakes.
My mother passed last year but she had better taste than to fuck any dude that had this vibe.
(https://i.imgur.com/ytXDMNw.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
I don't think this is the place for me.  ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741334087759036470/894675489883586671/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 01:03:53 PM
Man, I was feeling good about being an old skateboarder and then @Lhotse comes on the scene and I have immediate contact embarrassment. Please ban me from SLAP before I hit 50 so I don't look as bad. Thanks Pals.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 01:20:54 PM
Quick question before you bail @Lhotse

Did you quit skateboarding and start again due to the Dogtown documentary?

And you are not a pro. Dumb analogy. You are old and out of touch. Being old is fine. I'm old. Being out of touch is fine. But know when you are and own it.

Speaking of 'dumb' things to say, you just made a ton of very incorrect assumptions about me. I've never stopped skating or skiing. We have a local pool in the town park and it's New England. No shortage of hills and garages to bomb. Why would I ever quit? and don't think just because some kid's got a board deal, he's actually knows anything. They have deck engineers who do that with CAD systems and again, it's a $60. popsicle deck. There's just so much you can do with the design to make a huge difference aside from using different layers like the Powell 'Flight' decks.
But go ahead, keep insulting me. It's pretty funny actually seeing people want to believe something so bad, they'll say anything for validation.
(https://i.imgur.com/UKznRQP.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 01:37:03 PM
I have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.

I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'

But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on October 04, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 01:52:17 PM
Here you go @Lhotse https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/ (https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/)

There are some good dudes on there but also lots of other clueless old men to grunt and moan with. They are big fans of Ace also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
I have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.

I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'

But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.

and you care too much about other people's objective opinions that don't coincide with yours. I didn't seek you out to talk trash, you knocked on my door, sonny boy. I said I like Ace AF1 trucks and posted a picture of my current set-up with an 8.5 Element deck that I like just fine. All of YOU, lost your shit!  ;D
This whole 'Ace thing' is just like when Indy released Stage 9. Half the people screamed "Indy sucks and I'll never buy 'em again" and the other half said "It's stupid to think Indy would make anything bad. It's Indy. Skate or die!" lmao
I say anything is good if you like it and it works for you. You don't need to buy something else just because someone who doesn't care about you, says so. Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 02:06:32 PM
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I have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.

I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'

But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.
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and you care too much about other people's objective opinions that don't coincide with yours. I didn't seek you out to talk trash, you knocked on my door, sonny boy. I said I like Ace AF1 trucks and posted a picture of my current set-up with an 8.5 Element deck that I like just fine. All of YOU, lost your shit!  ;D
This whole 'Ace thing' is just like when Indy released Stage 9. Half the people screamed "Indy sucks and I'll never buy 'em again" and the other half said "It's stupid to think Indy would make anything bad. It's Indy. Skate or die!" lmao
I say anything is good if you like it and it works for you. You don't need to buy something else just because someone who doesn't care about you, says so. Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.

Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 04, 2021, 02:08:10 PM
This coincided perfectly with Instagram being down, great entertainment
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vhsfisheye on October 04, 2021, 02:26:29 PM
I don't think this is the place for me.  ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)

You don’t belong here because you’re an insecure baby boomer unable to adapt to change. I knew you were a kook as soon as you posted a longboard in the setups thread. And then proceeded to post your unskated  element setup in multiple threads so someone would pay attention to an aging poser. Focus your account please. I feel bad for anyone who has to interact with you at a skatepark.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on October 04, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
Fuck your mother for both mistakes.

Everyone is toxic and overly obsessive with gear until it's your turn to bring up someones mother or set up your 4th set up to do nothing substantial.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 02:26:56 PM
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I have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.

I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'

But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.
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and you care too much about other people's objective opinions that don't coincide with yours. I didn't seek you out to talk trash, you knocked on my door, sonny boy. I said I like Ace AF1 trucks and posted a picture of my current set-up with an 8.5 Element deck that I like just fine. All of YOU, lost your shit!  ;D
This whole 'Ace thing' is just like when Indy released Stage 9. Half the people screamed "Indy sucks and I'll never buy 'em again" and the other half said "It's stupid to think Indy would make anything bad. It's Indy. Skate or die!" lmao
I say anything is good if you like it and it works for you. You don't need to buy something else just because someone who doesn't care about you, says so. Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.

You don't even know what 'objective' means. Like I said, I am a fan of Ace. You came in here in blaze of negativity without researching who you were talking to and what you are talking about.

Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know. You are making a fool of yourself.

Once again, you could do with practicing what you preach.

Hopefully, the Grumpy Old Cunts forum on Facebook will be back up soon, eh?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 02:31:28 PM
I am now assuming @Lhotse is an alias one of you created for a bit of a laugh... ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on October 04, 2021, 02:42:26 PM
this is what joey tershay does to people. steals people's money and creates division in slap forums  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 04, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
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I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
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1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally?  ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?!  ::)
um… it was a joke, but that sure escalated quickly :0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 03:15:29 PM
Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 04, 2021, 03:31:08 PM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D
This is untrue with "popsicle boards" however in your defense it maybe true with longboards. That being said I think your in the wrong place for that horseshit. Too-da-loo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on October 04, 2021, 03:31:48 PM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D

You do not realize how much you are embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vhsfisheye on October 04, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D

Surprised you didn’t post this on the fits thread
(https://i.ibb.co/Gx0J9mS/199-FD2-D6-60-A2-487-B-A399-B26-E732695-B0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gx0J9mS)facebook login bahasa indonesia (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleSr on October 04, 2021, 03:54:58 PM
I'm never switching from Indy, it's clear these ace trucks are a chaos rune of some sort  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on October 04, 2021, 03:59:17 PM
Happy that I can add "extremely confident and extremely misinformed, longboard boomer" to my list of internet guy archetypes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on October 04, 2021, 04:07:09 PM
Lhotse,

If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.

As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.

But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.

Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 04:23:34 PM
Happy that I can add "extremely confident and extremely misinformed, longboard boomer" to my list of internet guy archetypes.

Just so you know, I'm reading your name and looking at your avatar and struggling to do anything but laugh my ass off. Oh the irony! The fact you even have that list just says it all, really. ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on October 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Lhotse,

If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.

As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.

But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.

Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.

Very stoked on your use of the word "quibble". Heard that word twice in my life and both times were this week so that's crazy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 04:34:35 PM
Lhotse,

If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.

As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.

But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.

Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.

Yea, I know, you're right of course but man, do they have to get so cunty about it? I said I liked something, not "something sucks" and then this.
Nothing that gets smashed on concrete over and over every day is gonna last forever. Just accept that. As for everything else? If YOU like it and it works for you, forget what others say, just go ride and enjoy it! It's just a skateboard, not a spaceship. There's just so much you can do to improve it within the limitations of wood and steel. Maybe carbon fiber boards will ride better once the design engineering improves or someone will invent a better composite like they did with Glock pistols. I'm just gonna keep riding and having good times with my friends...and ride wtf I want, no matter who disapproves. ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2021, 04:38:08 PM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?!

You do. You were the one who initiated a conversation (with false information) about Chinese made decks in a truck thread...  ;D

This is great. Keep digging your own grave.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 04, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D

With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.

Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.

I completely agree with this. You hit the nail on the head when it comes to one of the main reasons why a huge portion of skaters are turned off by Slap: it can be a very petty and bitter place.

With that said, there are many people on here that really know their shit when it comes to nerding out about skate gear, so it's best to keep an open and somewhat flexible mind while browsing and posting here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 04, 2021, 04:55:21 PM
I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pugmaster on October 04, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
What is your go-to iHOP order @Lhotse? Myself, I like saying "rooty-tooty-fresh-n-fruity" out loud, but when it comes down to it, you can bet your bottom dollar I order the sampler with a side of biscuits and gravy.


All of this brings me to my next point:
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned family fun? Heck, every Wednesday night as a kid we'd have family board game night. We'd order in pizza or some other type of take out and just really get to know each other.  Scrabble, Monopoly, Risk, you name it.  Charades was a family classic at the pugmaster household*!

So much has changed... smart phones have everyone like zombies these days. Even at the Elk's lodge!  I'm like, "everyone, put down that DAG GUM** PHONE!" Makes me fit to be tied!

*Before the divorce
**I actually say God damn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on October 04, 2021, 05:08:40 PM
I don’t think Indy could pay for a better marketing strategy than Llhotse’s presence here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 04, 2021, 05:25:01 PM
With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.

I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleSr on October 04, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
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With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.
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I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.

Hell yeah brother, f*ck these haters
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: superleftswipebby on October 04, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
what the fuck jus happened here?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 04, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
what the fuck jus happened here?
I probably shouldn’t have joked about the element board…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 04, 2021, 06:22:33 PM
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With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.
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I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.

Dude, where did I imply this? I was trying to be respectful with my response so that we could actually talk about skate stuff, and you put those words in my mouth? I wasn't commenting on who made the boards, I was commenting on how they get to the skater. What I said goes the exact same for Chinese skaters who want to buy USA made boards. I strongly suggest that you stop posting on this site for the sake of your own self esteem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sedition on October 04, 2021, 06:34:59 PM
I don’t think Indy could pay for a better marketing strategy than Llhotse’s presence here.

Facts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 04, 2021, 07:01:09 PM
Ace thread always delivering the heat in the calm cool ocean of Shoes & Gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pugmaster on October 04, 2021, 07:39:28 PM
The ball is still in your court @Lhotse

What is your go-to iHOP order?

Quit beating around the bush
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on October 04, 2021, 07:55:58 PM
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With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.
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I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.
I mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: opesorry on October 04, 2021, 08:07:52 PM
What is your go-to iHOP order @Lhotse? Myself, I like saying "rooty-tooty-fresh-n-fruity" out loud, but when it comes down to it, you can bet your bottom dollar I order the sampler with a side of biscuits and gravy.


All of this brings me to my next point:
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned family fun? Heck, every Wednesday night as a kid we'd have family board game night. We'd order in pizza or some other type of take out and just really get to know each other.  Scrabble, Monopoly, Risk, you name it.  Charades was a family classic at the pugmaster household*!

So much has changed... smart phones have everyone like zombies these days. Even at the Elk's lodge!  I'm like, "everyone, put down that DAG GUM** PHONE!" Makes me fit to be tied!

*Before the divorce
**I actually say God damn

This whole thing was kind of annoying until this point, thank you for your service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on October 04, 2021, 09:42:33 PM
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Lhotse,

If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.

As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.

But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.

Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.
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Yea, I know, you're right of course but man, do they have to get so cunty about it? I said I liked something, not "something sucks" and then this.

Welcome to SLAP.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: os89 on October 04, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
Element sucks and that old man is posting too much in here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 04, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
Ace thread always delivering the heat in the calm cool ocean of Shoes & Gear.

Shoes & Gear is a sea of tranquility compared to UWTB, but this is just too entertaining. Everyone needs brown sugar in their oatmeal occasionally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on October 04, 2021, 11:44:12 PM
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…

Throw them on. I’m on both classics and AF1 66s, and I love them both (except for the one mounting hole that was too small.
I had to ride my Indys pretty loose to get the nice-feeling turn, but not these. They have a nice stable center that dips into great-feeling turns.

Slapping the shit out of them, they work great for my old-man steeze.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lhotse on October 05, 2021, 03:30:58 AM
I mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.

Wow...calling some of you people stupid, just might be insulting to stupid people.
As for where and what I do that you seem so knowledgeable about? THIS! THE most awesome pool, purpose built for skating ever created that we call The Pit, is where I ride the 8.5 Element Seal board that's supposedly so shitty because..I have Size 12 feet and long legs and it's the longest 8.5" deck I could find that fits me.
So go fuck yourself, you pretentious cunt and just to pile on a little more? The Pit is a little more than a 5 minute walk from my house.

The 7 ft deep so-called 'Shallow end'.

(https://i.imgur.com/hPejyTJ.jpg)

The very deep indeed, 12 ft 'Deep end'.

(https://i.imgur.com/GXpe8xV.jpg)

*Ace related sidenote: See the second "m" in "remember"? My Indy 149 hung up right there and I freefell backwards down to the bottom and fractured a rib in my back last year. With my Ace AF1s 55s? I barely feel the bump and I like that a lot. I've never ridden anything that turns like those trucks. Sorry for not hatin'.

*The back of my helmet after that fall

(https://i.imgur.com/t28VAb5.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 05, 2021, 04:17:37 AM
If you say “Ace Trucks” 5 times in the mirror you’ll never have a problem with a set of Ace’s ever again. The only downside is @Lhotse standing behind you whispering  close into your ear about popsicles wearing only his soiled adult diapers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on October 05, 2021, 05:33:11 AM
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Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.
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I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D
admittedly, as someone that has had some bad takes on slap, holy shit dude what the hell are you on about? i dont think the hill you're on is one you should be willing to die for.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 05, 2021, 05:39:14 AM
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I mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.
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Wow...calling some of you people stupid, just might be insulting to stupid people.
As for where and what I do that you seem so knowledgeable about? THIS! THE most awesome pool, purpose built for skating ever created that we call The Pit, is where I ride the 8.5 Element Seal board that's supposedly so shitty because..I have Size 12 feet and long legs and it's the longest 8.5" deck I could find that fits me.
So go fuck yourself, you pretentious cunt and just to pile on a little more? The Pit is a little more than a 5 minute walk from my house.

The 7 ft deep so-called 'Shallow end'.

(https://i.imgur.com/hPejyTJ.jpg)

The very deep indeed, 12 ft 'Deep end'.

(https://i.imgur.com/GXpe8xV.jpg)

*Ace related sidenote: See the second "m" in "remember"? My Indy 149 hung up right there and I freefell backwards down to the bottom and fractured a rib in my back last year. With my Ace AF1s 55s? I barely feel the bump and I like that a lot. I've never ridden anything that turns like those trucks. Sorry for not hatin'.

*The back of my helmet after that fall

(https://i.imgur.com/t28VAb5.jpg)


Shredding the gnar gnar dawg  8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on October 05, 2021, 05:59:10 AM
I'm about to put my af1s back on just because of Lhotse. They're perfect, just too heavy for me.
Please stay forever Lhotse I love you.
Dude even posted a fit without anybody asking
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 05, 2021, 06:11:13 AM
@Lhotse those are cool pictures of a pool, but no proof of you actually skating it.

However, let’s get to the brass tax here -

1. Because people give a dissenting opinion to your (extremely subjective) does not give you the right to throw a temper tantrum and start insulting people. All it does is invalidate any claims you will further make.

2. Don’t try and race bait, it is in exceptionally poor taste. All it does is negate the plight of third world workers and show you don’t have a requisite understanding of capitalism and global supply chains.

3. I think there is a long boarding forum where you may feel more comfortable. I think it’s called silverfish? I used to go to hardcore shows with a kid who pushed mongo and couldn’t ollie and loved longboarding who would always talk about it.

In summation, if you want to stick around here and keep posting, please have some civility and express the desire to learn.

Otherwise, please go back to that pool you can’t drop in on, crack a couple of cold ones, and talk with the other ignorant pad dads about Jason Jesse got cancelled for no reason by a soft generation of skaters.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 05, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
@Lhotse those are cool pictures of a pool, but no proof of you actually skating it.

However, let’s get to the brass tax here -

1. Because people give a dissenting opinion to your (extremely subjective) does not give you the right to throw a temper tantrum and start insulting people. All it does is invalidate any claims you will further make.

2. Don’t try and race bait, it is in exceptionally poor taste. All it does is negate the plight of third world workers and show you don’t have a requisite understanding of capitalism and global supply chains.

3. I think there is a long boarding forum where you may feel more comfortable. I think it’s called silverfish? I used to go to hardcore shows with a kid who pushed mongo and couldn’t ollie and loved longboarding who would always talk about it.

In summation, if you want to stick around here and keep posting, please have some civility and express the desire to learn.

Otherwise, please go back to that pool you can’t drop in on, crack a couple of cold ones, and talk with the other ignorant pad dads about Jason Jesse got cancelled for no reason by a soft generation of skaters.

Preach
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleSr on October 05, 2021, 07:54:13 AM
@Lhotse  don't listen to these guys, i hope you stay here forever.you can live on my couch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on October 05, 2021, 08:06:31 AM
Ladies and gentleman, we might be witnesses the a thread (from the calm seas of SHOES & GEAR) entering Classic Slap right before our very eyes.

(https://c.tenor.com/uMgsq10Jd-AAAAAM/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on October 05, 2021, 08:09:28 AM
I would never have guessed that all this hilarity would come from an ace trucks topic but holy shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 05, 2021, 08:13:04 AM
I'm a little annoyed that some of you are coming over here and egging this coconut on, but I've been working through it by reading his posts in Joe Biden's voice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 05, 2021, 08:15:50 AM
god bless overconfident barneys. I love them so much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaleSr on October 05, 2021, 08:16:13 AM
I'm a little annoyed that some of you are coming over here and egging this coconut on, but I've been working through it by reading his posts in Joe Biden's voice.

I can't help myself, it's too good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 05, 2021, 08:53:51 AM
I'm a little annoyed that some of you are coming over here and egging this coconut on, but I've been working through it by reading his posts in Joe Biden's voice.

Very helpful. Thank You ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 05, 2021, 09:47:18 AM
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…

FWIW my very offline friend is like three months into skating the AF1s daily and has reported absolutely no problem, and he says they're better for him than the Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 05, 2021, 09:52:34 AM
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I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
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1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally?  ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?!  ::)

TBH man, I think he was just teasing you a bit because Element isn't a very cool brand anymore. It's usually better to roll with it than to dig in deep, defending your board choice. No one really cared, but when you start swinging at a gentle ribbing, you come off looking needlessly aggressive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on October 05, 2021, 10:47:14 AM
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 05, 2021, 10:49:56 AM
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?

I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 05, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?

Yeah, my board-breaker friend is perfectly happy with his stock AF1s, and he's actually something of a gearhead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on October 05, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
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so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
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I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?
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so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
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Yeah, my board-breaker friend is perfectly happy with his stock AF1s, and he's actually something of a gearhead.

nice maybe they have improved on the AF1 because i think everyone was breaking them on the classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 05, 2021, 10:52:46 AM
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?

Yes lots according to some shops / distros with AF1 truck sales in the thousands and minimal / no complaints back to them, so I kind of wonder if or how people are taking out their frustrations, besides online here...

Joy be to Slap!



I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?

I would only ever replace them if they have an issue.

Never hurts to have some spare pivot cups around anyway though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 05, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
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so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
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Yes lots according to some shops / distros with AF1 truck sales in the thousands and minimal / no complaints back to them, so I kind of wonder if or how people are taking out their frustrations, besides online here...

Joy be to Slap!


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I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?
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I would only ever replace them if they have an issue.

Never hurts to have some spare pivot cups around anyway though.

My theory now is that it’s from slappies. I used to think it was my trucks were too lose when I ran them wiggly, now I run them a bit tighter than factory tightness and I still broke my pivot from doing slappies.

It would be interesting to see how many of the people who broke their pivot cups do a lot of slappies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 05, 2021, 11:01:59 AM
I've had three sets of classic 44s, two sets of classic 55s, 1 set of AF1 55s and 1 set of AF1 66s and have had zero issues with pivot cups. I am 200lbs, ride loose trucks and like to smash curbs and slash tight transition. I would give them a go and only worry about replacing the cups if you shred them as other people have.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Uh Oh on October 05, 2021, 11:23:27 AM
Some of the hottest SLAP action in awhile and it goes down in the ACE trucks thread.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on October 05, 2021, 11:25:50 AM
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I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
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1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally?  ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?!  ::)
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TBH man, I think he was just teasing you a bit because Element isn't a very cool brand anymore. It's usually better to roll with it than to dig in deep, defending your board choice. No one really cared, but when you start swinging at a gentle ribbing, you come off looking needlessly aggressive.
For real. And, that said, considering all the wack brands and graphics people ride just because the board is the “right” dimensions, simply responding “it’s the longest 8.5 I could find” at the beginning instead of freaking the fuck out would’ve probably ended things right there. Hell, someone who shares the same need for long 8.5s would’ve probably just linked you to some other shapes you’d probably enjoy (or, like, a thread that discusses deck length as opposed to Ace trucks) and that would’ve been it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on October 05, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
You're out of your Element, Lhotse!!   8) ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on October 05, 2021, 12:31:22 PM
3 months on af1 66 no issues
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 05, 2021, 01:07:25 PM
What the McFuck happened in here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 05, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
What the McFuck happened in here.

Some dude just had one of the worst days of his retirement. He's probably so confused right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 05, 2021, 01:31:12 PM
To borrow from @pugmaster, ”Dag Gum It!”
It appears I missed all the fun.
Can’t believe that I’ve slept on this thread for long enough to miss all of the Lhotse fireworks.
Homey really is making the rest of us older dudes, who actually still take this shit seriously, look pretty bad.
I’m sorry to all of you on behalf of the aged.
Not as sorry as I feel about missing out on this awesome, minor slice of SLAP history.
Truly an epic read.
Great stuff PALS.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 05, 2021, 01:49:23 PM
To borrow from @pugmaster, ”Dag Gum It!”
It appears I missed all the fun.
Can’t believe that I’ve slept on this thread for long enough to miss all of the Lhotse fireworks.
Homey really is making the rest of us older dudes, who actually still take this shit seriously, look pretty bad.
I’m sorry to all of you on behalf of the aged.
Not as sorry as I feel about missing out on this awesome, minor slice of SLAP history.
Truly an epic read.
Great stuff PALS.

on some Amazon dot com type shit, if you liked this thread, you may also enjoy:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118756.0

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3651415#msg3651415
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lemonchicken91 on October 05, 2021, 02:02:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePEFBxDGRw8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on October 05, 2021, 04:40:59 PM
I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 05, 2021, 05:25:10 PM
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I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
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Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good

Yeah the Ace Hard bushings don’t feel different to me either aside from being more squeaky. Hopefully they’ll firm up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on October 05, 2021, 06:38:44 PM
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I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
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Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
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Yeah the Ace Hard bushings don’t feel different to me either aside from being more squeaky. Hopefully they’ll firm up.
I honestly don't even think it's the bushings, but the pivot cups.  Seeing how everyone had problems with them  ripping, I put in some old Indy pivot cups and it doesn't seem so soft and loose anymore.  Killed 2 birds with 1 stone for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 05, 2021, 07:33:38 PM
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I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
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Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
Maybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 05, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
Dude, you need a good Persian Rug in your attic space to rock those new AF1s back and fore on for a few nights before hitting the streets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on October 05, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
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I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
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Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
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Maybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.
Real bummer to hear although I had already tried the Indy blacks in them and found them pretty unstable. They're fine for me with Bones hards so I guess that's the move still.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: UPPERCASEnocap on October 05, 2021, 10:10:11 PM
Happy Ace af1 owner here. Rode them all summer. No cup issues. I'm only 140lbs so maybe that plays a part. &#129335;‍♂️
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 05, 2021, 10:43:10 PM
New to the forum. Came to post my experience using AF1's for about four months.
    A little about me: I skated as a kid in Upstate NY for a couple summers in the early 90's and learned to cruise. There were no skaters in my area so I eventually moved on. Picked back up in 2021 after teaching yoga for a few years which brought me to trying various balance boards and poses (also a carpenter/plumber/jack). At age 40 I started bombing empty parking garages (closed for COVID) learning to slide, revert and such.
    Setups I have tried: Started on a street deck, went on to a cruiser, tried a longboard (36" wheelbase drop through) settled on decks with a 15.25 wheelbase. I fell in love with high speed turning and easily initiating slides which felt stable on wider cruiser decks with longer wheelbases. Craving the perfect carve gave me truck madness.
    Truck madness begins: Started with Thunder 149's on the street deck, cruiser came with Krux K4 9.0 axle (wheelbite city), I purchased Thunder 161's to replace Krux. Thought I liked tight trucks in the beginning, tried Bones Hardcore bushings in both sets of Thunders which had me leaning hard into turns to make the board do what I wanted. I began carving pools at skateparks and trying out beginner tricks. Viewing Ben Degros on YouTube brought me to understand the importance of wheelbase in relation to kicktail steepness and "fingers of flat" from the drill holes to kicks. It clicked that I needed to slightly shorten my wheelbase on my preferred decks to lighten up the kicks a little, which brought me to try Ace AF1's.
    My experience with AF1's: Oh my Aces are looser then anything I had tried prior (the longboard was close but had a wide turn). Rode the AF1's with stock bushings which felt crazy yet stable at the same time. Eventually I noticed the small cup washers bite into the hanger so I swapped them out for flat. Wheelbite really pisses me off, so does squeaking, so I started to play with bushings and lubricants to keep that amazing turn while reducing wheelbite and eliminating squeaking.
    The madness takes hold: Tried all three Bones flavors, tried Krux, tried various combos of all the bushings/washers I had using a micrometer to maintain stock geometry (washers are cheap and can be filed down). After two months of playing around I learned that Bones soft separates from its hard core and Ace bushings split in all but my front truck roadside position. I kept craving looser and looser trucks that resisted wheelbite and eventually found a seemingly perfect bushing combo for how I skate.
    What works well for me: Front truck boardside is a Riptide .6” 80a barrel APS formula, roadside is a stock Ace 91a cone with super thin flat washer. Back truck boardside is a 90a APS barrel, roadside is a Bones medium (91a) hardcore cone with a thick flat washer (zero threads showing on both kingpins, I am 5’9, 150lbs, I use 56-60mm wheels with .25 risers, 78-80a or 97-99a). Boardside bushings under 80a split in my front truck, so does anything under 90a in the back. This combo has not split in over two months of daily use and yields a super responsive turn that is very stable at high speed (the only time I had speed wobbles was while pushing on a flat section of a parking garage while escaping a security guard chasing me in a car, once both feet were back on the wobble went away). Now I had the carve/stability I was after, however living in a desert zone dust had an effect on bushing performance which had my setup feeling stiffer the dustier it became, I had to find a solution.
    My experience with lubricants: Tried oil, tried wax, tried graphite, tried soap flakes and they all had issues. So I brewed up a solution of dye/fragrance free bar soap dissolved in water. I funneled soap shavings into a bottle and kept adding water a little at a time until all soap dissolved to have the maximum soap to water ratio, it has been a game changer. One drop in each pivot, one drop in each top bushing does the trick (no need to remove hanger, I may do this three times on a day I skate a bunch). The solution dries up quickly flaking away most dust while leaving enough residue to lubricate the urethane and stop the washers from clicking. This is all the bushings/washers needed, however the pivot cup needed some extra love when after a month it squeaked no matter how many drops I added. After more research I began to use a minuscule dab of white lithium grease after thoroughly cleaning the pivot cups. The grease lasts for about a month even after cleaning out the pivot a few times, but still require a drop of soap solution on occasion to push out the dust/grime. My pivot cups have not ripped or melted after a lot of use over four months (however I a am a new skater and do not go as gnar as possible at age 40 so your experience with durability may differ). The pivots have loosened up over time which has only improved my balance (just received replacement cups from Ace, though I'll ride the first set till they fail).
    In conclusion I really love the AF1’s, I would try Classics but I imagine if I wanted to go into street skating I would prefer play around with more stable trucks and try various other brands. However due to the degree of injury it requires to learn street I’ll most likely stick to bowls and hills for awhile.
Now I feel better having shared my truck nerdieness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on October 06, 2021, 03:56:14 AM
Dude, you need a good Persian Rug in your attic space to rock those new AF1s back and fore on for a few nights before hitting the streets.
Ok I ordered one, but where should I post the footage?

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I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
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Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
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Maybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.
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Real bummer to hear although I had already tried the Indy blacks in them and found them pretty unstable. They're fine for me with Bones hards so I guess that's the move still.
Yeah I will give them a couple hours and if they still suck I will go back to Bones hards.
Edit: After another 20 minutes of rocking (w/o the Persian rug) they stiffened up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CossRooper on October 06, 2021, 07:08:09 AM
What is your go-to iHOP order @Lhotse? Myself, I like saying "rooty-tooty-fresh-n-fruity" out loud, but when it comes down to it, you can bet your bottom dollar I order the sampler with a side of biscuits and gravy.


All of this brings me to my next point:
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned family fun? Heck, every Wednesday night as a kid we'd have family board game night. We'd order in pizza or some other type of take out and just really get to know each other.  Scrabble, Monopoly, Risk, you name it.  Charades was a family classic at the pugmaster household*!

So much has changed... smart phones have everyone like zombies these days. Even at the Elk's lodge!  I'm like, "everyone, put down that DAG GUM** PHONE!" Makes me fit to be tied!

*Before the divorce
**I actually say God damn

POTY
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 06, 2021, 10:22:12 AM
I got my AF1 66 about a week after they were released. My initial complaints were the mushy pivot cup and that they didn’t grind well on metal. It’s probably been around 6 months now. I’m still on my original pivot cups and they’ve firmed up a bit since. The grind on metal has gotten better now that the hanger has been worn down and grooved.

I loved my classics but they just weren’t durable. So far my AF1s have proven themselves a lot more durable than the classics. I was considering going back to Independent after my issues with classics, but AF1s came around at just the right time. For now I’m still on team Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 06, 2021, 11:44:56 AM
No posts from @Lhotse today?  :'(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cky enthusiast on October 06, 2021, 05:49:04 PM
i no joke split my elbow open skating the janky bowl in the northampton skatepark aka “the pit” like a month ago. it’s not that gnarly, i skated it padless.

i was on indys tho :(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 06, 2021, 06:24:18 PM
i no joke split my elbow open skating the janky bowl in the northampton skatepark aka “the pit” like a month ago. it’s not that gnarly, i skated it padless.

i was on indys tho :(

Wouldn't have happened on some Caliber IIIs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cky enthusiast on October 06, 2021, 06:27:17 PM
it was not a truck related mishap, no amount of precision engineering would have saved me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on October 06, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
it was not a truck related mishap, no amount of precision engineering would have saved me

SWISS engineering though?!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cky enthusiast on October 06, 2021, 06:43:13 PM
i will say it’s not the most awesome pool nor do i think it’s purpose built for skating..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on October 07, 2021, 03:58:09 AM
Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 07, 2021, 03:58:50 AM
Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?

I replaced my AF1 front pivot cup for an ace classic a couple months ago, some wiggle but works well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on October 07, 2021, 11:38:07 AM
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Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?
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I replaced my AF1 front pivot cup for an ace classic a couple months ago, some wiggle but works well.

Tried both and the Indy cups seemed to be the best fit. Less wiggle than the classics. Now I hope it's just Aces stock pivot cups having bad QC and not the geometry of the truck that's making them tear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 07, 2021, 12:34:16 PM
FWIW, I've been running my torn ACE AF1 cups (which they replaced with new, which I sold off with my 55 AF1s) in some Indys for a while now (along with ACE bushings) with no issues; they fit great, and didn't melt/shred any further like they would have in my set of AF1s (which had a noticeable flaw in the milling).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 07, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
Does anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pee nis on October 07, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?

Issue is the AF1 cups are bigger than normal so a standard cup has some wiggle which drives me crazy, some people may not care. And right now I don’t believe there’s any other manufacturer making AF1 size pivot cups. Maybe why ace is being lenient with sending free ones if you contact them. Not sure if geometry issue or the urethane is just too soft.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 07, 2021, 03:23:48 PM
Does anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?

Here is my theory:

When I got my 77s, I made sure the pivot cavity was perfect.  After 6 or so sessions, I noticed the cup was ripped and I suddenly had a small divot on the right side of the baseplate pivot cavity.

I think after tearing the cup, the hanger was making contact with this.  Basically metal on metal.  Now replacement cups tear in 20 minutes because they get compressed and rip in the same area.

So it’s either the geometry putting extra stress on the pivot or just soft shitty cups
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 07, 2021, 03:31:38 PM
Don't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 08, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
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quality control?
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Here is my theory:

When I got my 77s, I made sure the pivot cavity was perfect.  After 6 or so sessions, I noticed the cup was ripped and I suddenly had a small divot on the right side of the baseplate pivot cavity.

I think after tearing the cup, the hanger was making contact with this.  Basically metal on metal.  Now replacement cups tear in 20 minutes because they get compressed and rip in the same area.

So it’s either the geometry putting extra stress on the pivot or just soft shitty cups

This.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on October 08, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
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Does anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?
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Here is my theory:

When I got my 77s, I made sure the pivot cavity was perfect.  After 6 or so sessions, I noticed the cup was ripped and I suddenly had a small divot on the right side of the baseplate pivot cavity.

I think after tearing the cup, the hanger was making contact with this.  Basically metal on metal.  Now replacement cups tear in 20 minutes because they get compressed and rip in the same area.

So it’s either the geometry putting extra stress on the pivot or just soft shitty cups

shitty pivot cup quality has happened to a large stock of Indy HIs around the time they released the mid.
Shitty quality rapidly makes a hole in your pivot cup and the head of the hanger that goes there just grinds the inside of the baseplate well.
it quickly gets sharper and pointier and your hanger is fucked, ripping through cups

you can try to sand the hanger head to make it rounder and remove the edges. You'll lost some matter, it might change the geometry a lil bit but you can maybe make it work. It's probably too late though

It's a defect, no question.
You deserve a new truck from ACE (at least a new hanger), tell them
they already know...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 08, 2021, 10:51:47 AM
Don't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?

Ace's pivot nub on the hanger of AF1's is too small for their own baseplates. The pivot cup being so squishy as well, it just ends up widening as they break in and there's a lot of back and forth play. Probably has a lot to do with why they sound weird, too. Putting a classic pivot cup in there or Riptide is even worse, you will have so much side to side play that it will warp the metal pivot cavity. AF1 hangers do not work with classics baseplates due to the pivot cavity being so wide, and their claim that classics cups and AF1 cups are interchangeable is definitely false. AF1's are just another reboot of a truck that needs R&D just like Ace classics through their entire lifespan of stages.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on October 08, 2021, 04:01:54 PM
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Don't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?
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Ace's pivot nub on the hanger of AF1's is too small for their own baseplates. The pivot cup being so squishy as well, it just ends up widening as they break in and there's a lot of back and forth play. Probably has a lot to do with why they sound weird, too. Putting a classic pivot cup in there or Riptide is even worse, you will have so much side to side play that it will warp the metal pivot cavity. AF1 hangers do not work with classics baseplates due to the pivot cavity being so wide, and their claim that classics cups and AF1 cups are interchangeable is definitely false. AF1's are just another reboot of a truck that needs R&D just like Ace classics through their entire lifespan of stages.

So if I'm understanding correctly, the hanger nub on the AF1 is the same size as the classics, and that they've made a bigger baseplate hole and thicker urethane pivot cup? If so, your probably bang on as to what's happening.

The geometry itself probably isn't to blame. Theeve and Indy stage 8's (and earlier) are basically the exact same geometry and they never had constant pivot blow outs, other issues sure, but not shredded cups in one session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on October 08, 2021, 06:54:00 PM
I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption.  ;D
I can feel a slight difference so far, but it has been raining for the past four days. I'll try to get a feel for them tonight. Also, note I've been into a few glasses of cheap aldi shiraz. Will report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 08, 2021, 06:59:41 PM
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Don't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?
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Ace's pivot nub on the hanger of AF1's is too small for their own baseplates. The pivot cup being so squishy as well, it just ends up widening as they break in and there's a lot of back and forth play. Probably has a lot to do with why they sound weird, too. Putting a classic pivot cup in there or Riptide is even worse, you will have so much side to side play that it will warp the metal pivot cavity. AF1 hangers do not work with classics baseplates due to the pivot cavity being so wide, and their claim that classics cups and AF1 cups are interchangeable is definitely false. AF1's are just another reboot of a truck that needs R&D just like Ace classics through their entire lifespan of stages.
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So if I'm understanding correctly, the hanger nub on the AF1 is the same size as the classics, and that they've made a bigger baseplate hole and thicker urethane pivot cup? If so, your probably bang on as to what's happening.

The geometry itself probably isn't to blame. Theeve and Indy stage 8's (and earlier) are basically the exact same geometry and they never had constant pivot blow outs, other issues sure, but not shredded cups in one session.

The pivot nub on AF1 hangers is definitely smaller than classics. Either it needs to be bigger, or they need to make the pivot cavity smaller, and the pivot cup durometer needs to be harder. They claim it's 96a like Riptide, but even tides maintain a slight firmness to them when you press them together with your fingers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 09, 2021, 09:27:30 AM
It would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 09, 2021, 12:34:30 PM
It would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.

Could someone start a new thread with a poll I don’t know how to. Would be interesting to see what percentage of AF1 users have pivot cup issues. Maybe people can post what the issue is specifically.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 09, 2021, 06:43:04 PM
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It would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.
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Could someone start a new thread with a poll I don’t know how to. Would be interesting to see what percentage of AF1 users have pivot cup issues. Maybe people can post what the issue is specifically.

So options like these:

1. No issues or damage
2. Pivot cup damage only
3. Pivot cup and baseplate damage
4. Pivot point on hanger, pivot cup and baseplate damage


EDIT:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?board=18.0

From the main Shoes and Gear board page, upper right has New Topic and New Poll options, which I assume are shown for everyone, regardless of membership.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 10, 2021, 04:31:58 AM
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It would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.
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Could someone start a new thread with a poll I don’t know how to. Would be interesting to see what percentage of AF1 users have pivot cup issues. Maybe people can post what the issue is specifically.
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So options like these:

1. No issues or damage
2. Pivot cup damage only
3. Pivot cup and baseplate damage
4. Pivot point on hanger, pivot cup and baseplate damage


EDIT:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?board=18.0

From the main Shoes and Gear board page, upper right has New Topic and New Poll options, which I assume are shown for everyone, regardless of membership.

Done, made a new thread, removed the last option since it seemed too similar to the other options
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 10, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
I just bought some classic 55’s. It was definitely because of that old dude. Ha

Nah, I’m looking forward to them. They were hella discounted so fuck it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 11, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
Oh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 11, 2021, 03:40:46 AM
Oh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance

Yes, they might be the "shortest" wheelbase of all, but the various bushings can change how they feel even more (including stock when new compared to when worn in) the consensus being not to touch them for the first session or more and then change slightly each session after that to the desired tightness.

Maybe I am just used to looser trucks, but the stock bushings from new were very firm, but the used sets I got from others were perfect.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 11, 2021, 09:57:45 AM
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Oh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance
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Yes, they might be the "shortest" wheelbase of all, but the various bushings can change how they feel even more (including stock when new compared to when worn in) the consensus being not to touch them for the first session or more and then change slightly each session after that to the desired tightness.

Maybe I am just used to looser trucks, but the stock bushings from new were very firm, but the used sets I got from others were perfect.
I also found them too firm when new, and had to back them nuts off a bit. Then they settled in, and I wound up loosening them up a touch more still.
I’ll say this much: I love that I can run a 56mm with no risers & still rarely ever hit wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 11, 2021, 12:40:27 PM
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Oh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance
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Yes, they might be the "shortest" wheelbase of all, but the various bushings can change how they feel even more (including stock when new compared to when worn in) the consensus being not to touch them for the first session or more and then change slightly each session after that to the desired tightness.

Maybe I am just used to looser trucks, but the stock bushings from new were very firm, but the used sets I got from others were perfect.

Thanks so much. I’m actually stoked to hear the stock bushings are hard as I’m quite heavy. Ive got either 54’s or 58’s to go on them as well and I’ve already got risers if needed. I skate my trucks right in the middle of loose and tight anyway so I think I’ll be straight. Thanks G’s!!!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 11, 2021, 03:39:04 PM
Fair warning my AF1s came with the softest bushings I have ever owned. I like loose trucks but I had to replace the top bushings with Krux as they did not firm up much after a few weeks of skateboarding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on October 12, 2021, 08:10:06 AM
Fair warning my AF1s came with the softest bushings I have ever owned. I like loose trucks but I had to replace the top bushings with Krux as they did not firm up much after a few weeks of skateboarding.

Same here. They were so loose. Just replaced them with Ace hard bushings and they feel so much better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 15, 2021, 07:23:38 PM
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.

One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.

But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
(https://i.ibb.co/C6DSSMy/5-FDC1941-8-E00-48-D8-AF2-D-1-AA39-F030-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6DSSMy)
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 15, 2021, 07:28:16 PM
It will go away. But apparently they have better shaped washers now to eliminate that issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 15, 2021, 07:33:41 PM
My Ace occasionally develop a pop, and I take them apart and put a little wax on the washers and in the pivot cup, and it disappears for several more months.

I actually put my Ace 44 Classics back on for the first time after doing the Kreeper mod several months ago. Love these trucks, love the turn, love the grind. Slappys went noticeably further than with my Indys and I have no problem pinching crooks. Glad I bought a big 7/32 t-handle Allen tool for adjusting them though - something I’d recommend to anyone who does the mod.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2021, 08:59:51 AM
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.

One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.

But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
(https://i.ibb.co/C6DSSMy/5-FDC1941-8-E00-48-D8-AF2-D-1-AA39-F030-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6DSSMy)
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.


You cranked them too far while still new, suggest easing off on the tight and let them break in / firm up before you do (or put on a flat washer for the time being).

Just that amazing ACE QC at work!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on October 16, 2021, 01:01:38 PM
It’s just gonna happen. No matter what. Just breathe and go with the flow. Wabi Sabi. Woo-sah.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on October 16, 2021, 02:27:18 PM
Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 16, 2021, 05:34:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on October 16, 2021, 06:36:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces

I don't understand why I like these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 16, 2021, 06:51:39 PM
ive said the same thing to myself
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 16, 2021, 06:52:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces

Good God, I could never rock those but they are a thing of beauty. May your curbs and pool coping go easy on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 16, 2021, 06:55:25 PM
oh yea they are waiting to get scratched up!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2021, 07:32:18 PM
Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals

Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 16, 2021, 08:26:35 PM
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.

One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.

But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
(https://i.ibb.co/C6DSSMy/5-FDC1941-8-E00-48-D8-AF2-D-1-AA39-F030-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6DSSMy)
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.

Ace Classic washers are too thick and too small in diameter. I always replace mine with Indy washers or any other generic bigger washers. You can get the trucks looser and it gets rid of the popping problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2021, 09:06:15 PM
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.

One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.

But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.

It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.

As those above said, the easiest way is to change out washers, but change out ALL the bushing washers with almost any other brand (that use cylinder and not conical bottoms) and they will not have that issue, eg any Indy stock bushings will work fine as I have done this with no further problems.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2021, 09:30:46 PM
I cut this out of the previous message, then thought add it anyway.

The other option is a bit more technical, but still fairly easy and a cheap fix, in that you round off those edges that come out, either a knife or a good pair of scissors to trim off the edge, or something a bit less sophisticated such as rubbing them on an angle on griptape (but watch your knuckles) so the bushings have more of a rounded edge / tapered shape to them.

I have done this a lot to sets I have fixed for people, but don't have a pic right now of it. 

It works well enough too, without having to change out any parts on the existing trucks.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vhsfisheye on October 16, 2021, 09:47:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lunker on October 16, 2021, 10:06:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces

animal crossing vibes, cute as fuck bro
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 16, 2021, 11:10:50 PM
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Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
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Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.

Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.

I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on October 17, 2021, 12:50:59 AM
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Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
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Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.
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Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.

I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)

Thanks you guys, great advice for the Bones bushings. I even though about putting the small washer with the stock bushings to tight them a little bit more.

I also checked the krux bushings in this thread but I couldn't find them in any Euro shop. Even the distributor doesn't know that they exist :_)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on October 17, 2021, 08:57:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)




Just got some aloha af1 aces
Skate community: fix the QC issues
Ace: mallcore colorway trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 17, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
i made those.

just me whos mallcore
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on October 17, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
i made those.

just me whos mallcore
i apologize
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 17, 2021, 11:03:18 AM
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i made those.

just me whos mallcore
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i apologize

aha youre all good! i know these trucks are a little extra
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on October 17, 2021, 12:02:43 PM
i made those.

just me whos mallcore

they will look so good with grooves
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 17, 2021, 03:07:49 PM
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i made those.

just me whos mallcore
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they will look so good with grooves

.....Nah
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 17, 2021, 04:30:00 PM
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Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
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Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.
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Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.

I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)

+1 for krux bushings in ACE…or just about anything that comes stock with barrel bottoms…the stock top is also a tad lower than just about everything that isn’t a low; Especially for people that ride tight or are a bit heavier.

I’m still a fan of stock aces (low tops regular bottoms).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 17, 2021, 07:07:52 PM
Yep. Agreed. Krux bushings still a great mod for any Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fs1/2cab on October 18, 2021, 12:47:26 PM
i made those.

just me whos mallcore

Did you painted these leaves by hand or did you use a stencil or something? I like the colors.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on October 18, 2021, 12:57:30 PM
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i made those.

just me whos mallcore
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Did you painted these leaves by hand or did you use a stencil or something? I like the colors.

Is it just a photoshop? I find it hard to believe someone did that and took professional photos with the die reattached.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 18, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
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i made those.

just me whos mallcore
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Did you painted these leaves by hand or did you use a stencil or something? I like the colors.
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Is it just a photoshop? I find it hard to believe someone did that and took professional photos with the die reattached.

i did it it with a stencil.

i forgot to tape off the axle ends but it was easy to strip off. the die came in handy for that . its just a cheap light box i have
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on October 18, 2021, 06:45:22 PM
hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 18, 2021, 10:23:23 PM
hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot

Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 19, 2021, 02:11:20 AM
hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot

You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 19, 2021, 02:18:23 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.

I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 19, 2021, 02:25:29 AM
Would be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 19, 2021, 02:45:35 AM
Yeah there could be some interesting things come from that.

I know all the sets I have seen out there have been fine, no issues in Classics or AF1 versions, including the half a dozen sets I have had on boards, but they don't get much action really.  Other people have ridden them stock and with swapped out bushings, including stock Indy bushings, which worked well in the few sets I skated with them.

When I see or hear things from people on this thread, I definitely wonder what caused it or if things could have been better for whoever is on them if they had a little experience or knowledge, but given I don't know or hear the whole story, I couldn't say either way.  There have definitely been a lot of warranty claims.

Then there are other simple things that don't need any warranty, for example, this pic of instantly blowing out bushings from a guy tightening them down way too much way too soon.  Turns out they worked fine when loosened off and he just got used to them.  This is only one version of these sort of things though. (Yes taken from a google pic - not my own.)


(https://i.ibb.co/4p64sCw/Ace-bushing-problem.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4p64sCw)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 19, 2021, 03:29:11 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
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I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…

I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.

My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear.  :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 19, 2021, 03:37:55 AM
Would be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.

My 3 sets of aces (1 classic 2 af1) were all completely stock, didn’t even loosen or tighten them. All the pivot cups broke after 1-3 slappy sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 19, 2021, 03:56:31 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
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I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
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I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.

My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear.  :D

Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?

I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 19, 2021, 04:14:19 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
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I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
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I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.

My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear.  :D
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Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?

I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.

I didn’t. I did contact the dude at the customer service many times and then at some point he stopped replying and I stopped bothering him as I was on summer vacation traveling around but when I came back from vacation a set of new trucks with a bunch of stickers were waiting for me. So, far from perfect but in the end I’m happy that I got a new set due to a small defect that didn’t end up bothering me anyway.

I’ve run my AF1s stock and had the pivot cavity dent on one  (out of three) set and pivot cup bushing rip. Classics I’ve used otherwise stock but replaced both washers with thinner and larger diameter ones and have had pivot cup bushings rip fast but still last me several months until they need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on October 19, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
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Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
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Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.
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Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.

I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)
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Thanks you guys, great advice for the Bones bushings. I even though about putting the small washer with the stock bushings to tight them a little bit more.

I also checked the krux bushings in this thread but I couldn't find them in any Euro shop. Even the distributor doesn't know that they exist :_)

You need some Krux bushings? I have my stock K5 bushings that I barely used before I swapped them out for Bones hards. I'll probably never use them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on October 19, 2021, 06:17:07 AM
does the Tensors interlocking bushings works with Ace? anyone ever tried it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on October 19, 2021, 06:44:50 AM
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Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.

Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?

Thanks pals
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Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine.  Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.

Others I know do that and it works for them.
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Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.

I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)
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Thanks you guys, great advice for the Bones bushings. I even though about putting the small washer with the stock bushings to tight them a little bit more.

I also checked the krux bushings in this thread but I couldn't find them in any Euro shop. Even the distributor doesn't know that they exist :_)
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You need some Krux bushings? I have my stock K5 bushings that I barely used before I swapped them out for Bones hards. I'll probably never use them.

I bought a set of bones hard bushings, if anything works I let you know. Many thanks for the offering.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on October 19, 2021, 06:53:07 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
[close]

I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
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I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.

My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear.  :D
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Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?

I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.
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I didn’t. I did contact the dude at the customer service many times and then at some point he stopped replying and I stopped bothering him as I was on summer vacation traveling around but when I came back from vacation a set of new trucks with a bunch of stickers were waiting for me. So, far from perfect but in the end I’m happy that I got a new set due to a small defect that didn’t end up bothering me anyway.

I’ve run my AF1s stock and had the pivot cavity dent on one  (out of three) set and pivot cup bushing rip. Classics I’ve used otherwise stock but replaced both washers with thinner and larger diameter ones and have had pivot cup bushings rip fast but still last me several months until they need to be replaced.

Deluxe has an amazing customer service trough distributors, I got another set of Spitfires in 3 days. Anyway right know Ace are distributed in Europe by Mesa Distribution (not sure if all Europe but they have several countries). It's owned by Marcos Gomez (BCN Legend) but Joey Tershay is involved too, so I guess they can replace parts from directly from Europe.

https://www.instagram.com/mesadistribution/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 19, 2021, 07:17:36 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0


So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.


Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
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I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
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I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.

My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear.  :D
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Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?

I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.
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I didn’t. I did contact the dude at the customer service many times and then at some point he stopped replying and I stopped bothering him as I was on summer vacation traveling around but when I came back from vacation a set of new trucks with a bunch of stickers were waiting for me. So, far from perfect but in the end I’m happy that I got a new set due to a small defect that didn’t end up bothering me anyway.

I’ve run my AF1s stock and had the pivot cavity dent on one  (out of three) set and pivot cup bushing rip. Classics I’ve used otherwise stock but replaced both washers with thinner and larger diameter ones and have had pivot cup bushings rip fast but still last me several months until they need to be replaced.
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Deluxe has an amazing customer service trough distributors, I got another set of Spitfires in 3 days. Anyway right know Ace are distributed in Europe by Mesa Distribution (not sure if all Europe but they have several countries). It's owned by Marcos Gomez (BCN Legend) but Joey Tershay is involved too, so I guess they can replace parts from directly from Europe.

https://www.instagram.com/mesadistribution/

Indy and Ace baseplate design is so similar. Has anyone tried Ace hangers on Indy baseplates just to see if it is indeed a geometry issue over a quality issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 19, 2021, 07:54:29 AM
I posted a photo of someone else’s (from IG) Ace AF1 hanger / Indy Baseplate setup in the Truck Setups Thread. It may be a few pages back now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 19, 2021, 11:02:24 AM
does the Tensors interlocking bushings works with Ace? anyone ever tried it?
Can confirm. Not my thing but they fit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on October 19, 2021, 02:58:40 PM
I swear half of this talk of bushings being too soft is a result of people not giving them the time to break in. They firm up as much as Independent stock bushings. They felt ridiculously soft at first but after a few weeks of skating it's a completely different story
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 19, 2021, 05:06:11 PM
I swear half of this talk of bushings being too soft is a result of people not giving them the time to break in. They firm up as much as Independent stock bushings. They felt ridiculously soft at first but after a few weeks of skating it's a completely different story

They really do. Night & day difference to me. Would have preferred them to firm up a tad bit less actually but I’m still good with how they end up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on October 19, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy

Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!

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Would be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.
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My 3 sets of aces (1 classic 2 af1) were all completely stock, didn’t even loosen or tighten them. All the pivot cups broke after 1-3 slappy sessions.

Same for my first pair too, stock bushings and everything was good until I slappied ahah. The second pair I did switch the top bushing for an Ace low one + a flat washer and no bottom one and same result as the stock one. I ride wobbly loose too, so I feel that my Aces may have to much wiggling space so it allows the pivot to lock or bang into the edge of the cavity every time I slappy. When I rode Indys, I was just pullin out the bottom washer and thats it. Nothing crazy loose like now, which is still not Daewon-esque >_<

Sorry I still don't know how to add quotes that aren't in the topic summary, but in from Canada and yes my local made it happen with a replacement for the first pair. However, the distribution rep wasnt so stoked about it and tried to send me only one truck even if both were destroyed. Luckily, my friend at the shop talked him into a whole pair even if he was saying something like it was my fault if it was broken. Which is not completely false ahah.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 20, 2021, 04:47:50 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!

I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember  perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 20, 2021, 04:59:37 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!
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I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember  perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…

Just want to say that I found between skinny and wide truck they have very different turning,skinnier turns quicker, so not the best comparison between Indy 144 amd Ace af1 77,if you ask me. Even Ace 44 and 55 turn different to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 20, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!
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I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember  perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…
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Just want to say that I found between skinny and wide truck they have very different turning,skinnier turns quicker, so not the best comparison between Indy 144 amd Ace af1 77,if you ask me. Even Ace 44 and 55 turn different to me.

You’re right. Wheelbase of the board also changes things up.

When I changed from Ace to Indy a couple years ago was from 33’s to 139s and that change didn’t affect me at all tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 20, 2021, 05:54:26 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!
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I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember  perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…
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Just want to say that I found between skinny and wide truck they have very different turning,skinnier turns quicker, so not the best comparison between Indy 144 amd Ace af1 77,if you ask me. Even Ace 44 and 55 turn different to me.
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You’re right. Wheelbase of the board also changes things up.

When I changed from Ace to Indy a couple years ago was from 33’s to 139s and that change didn’t affect me at all tho.

True, also board steepness affects truck feel a lot. Anyway, I always hate changing trucks but could easily adjust back to Indys if they're the same width I ride in Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 20, 2021, 06:23:41 AM
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hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!

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Would be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.
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My 3 sets of aces (1 classic 2 af1) were all completely stock, didn’t even loosen or tighten them. All the pivot cups broke after 1-3 slappy sessions.
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Same for my first pair too, stock bushings and everything was good until I slappied ahah. The second pair I did switch the top bushing for an Ace low one + a flat washer and no bottom one and same result as the stock one. I ride wobbly loose too, so I feel that my Aces may have to much wiggling space so it allows the pivot to lock or bang into the edge of the cavity every time I slappy. When I rode Indys, I was just pullin out the bottom washer and thats it. Nothing crazy loose like now, which is still not Daewon-esque >_<

Sorry I still don't know how to add quotes that aren't in the topic summary, but in from Canada and yes my local made it happen with a replacement for the first pair. However, the distribution rep wasnt so stoked about it and tried to send me only one truck even if both were destroyed. Luckily, my friend at the shop talked him into a whole pair even if he was saying something like it was my fault if it was broken. Which is not completely false ahah.

The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 20, 2021, 06:31:18 AM

The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.

The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 20, 2021, 07:06:24 AM
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
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The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys

Not my experience on curbs, probably different on steel coping and ledges
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 20, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
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The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys
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Not my experience on curbs, probably different on steel coping and ledges

interesting, I've skated all of the above on both trucks. are the indy's you're comparing them to very borken in by chance? I'm comparing AF1's and titanium indy's if it makes a difference. I really noticed the difference between indy's and classics, but not really with the AF1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Murge on October 20, 2021, 08:47:34 AM
FWIW. I switched back to Indy. I have 149s on my like daily set up skate anything board. And AF1s with warped pivot cavity on my tranny set up. Switching back to Indy I loosened them up a bit and they are slightly less stable but they feel good. Ace definitely left a bad taste in my mouth after the AF1 QC issues. Also sometimes I feel Indy grind better other times I feel ace does. I switch back and forth between set ups depending what I feel like skating that day. They are close enough they don’t feel much different at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 20, 2021, 09:23:53 AM
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
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The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys
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Not my experience on curbs, probably different on steel coping and ledges
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interesting, I've skated all of the above on both trucks. are the indy's you're comparing them to very borken in by chance? I'm comparing AF1's and titanium indy's if it makes a difference. I really noticed the difference between indy's and classics, but not really with the AF1

Brand new standard 159s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 20, 2021, 09:40:43 AM


Brand new standard 159s

I'm stumped then haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 20, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
Also back on Indy (149 cast hollows w/94 barrels from 44 classics stock), just giving my two cents:

For me, the pop and pinch on Indy are significantly better, and as others have said the grind is faster (which I will take over smoother). I don't think the turn is crazy different, though due to the shorter top bushings the rebound isn't as nice on the Indys, and they bite a bit more easily due to the axle placement.

The improved (for me) pop and pinch, along with the durability, were the clinchers. The classics are good trucks, but I objectively skate better on Indys and they last me significantly longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 20, 2021, 10:08:30 AM
have you tried ace hangars with kreepar baseplates?
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Post by: IpathCats on October 20, 2021, 10:59:00 AM
have you tried ace hangars with kreepar baseplates?

No, not based enough yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 20, 2021, 12:01:40 PM
hi guys!

I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot

it sounds like the pivot point on your hangar isn't angled directly in line with the pivot cup, this could be happening because your bottom washer hangar isn't sitting high enough off of the baseplate (because you aren't using a bottom washer). Try putting a bottom washer in and see if it changes anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on October 20, 2021, 05:01:52 PM
Currently skating Classic 44s on a 8.375 but wanting to try the AF1 55 but…. After reading a couple pages Idk  :-\ should I stick to what I got or run the card on a pair at my local and just try my ass off to break em in?

Only in my head about the decision because I’ve decided I’m pretty much gonna stick to riding 8.38-8.5 range instead of 8.25 like I’ve been running for awhile now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on October 20, 2021, 05:08:30 PM
Currently skating Classic 44s on a 8.375 but wanting to try the AF1 55 but…. After reading a couple pages Idk  :-\ should I stick to what I got or run the card on a pair at my local and just try my ass off to break em in?

Only in my head about the decision because I’ve decided I’m pretty much gonna stick to riding 8.38-8.5 range instead of 8.25 like I’ve been running for awhile now
i would just say to stick with classics for awhile. 44s work well in the size range you ride. You truly aren’t missing out on too much with AF1s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dustyassrocketswitchv on October 20, 2021, 05:30:22 PM
ya'll the same fools who are going to be complaining about lurpivs in the future..just give it time..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2021, 06:55:51 PM
ya'll the same fools who are going to be complaining about lurpivs in the future..just give it time..

We'll have to see how their QC is...compared to ACE, I am not sure how much worse you could do...ACE has had weak QC since the brand launched...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on October 20, 2021, 07:49:26 PM
is there anyone who actually skates better on aces than other brands? feel like thats a common theme
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 20, 2021, 09:02:19 PM
I'm a nobody but I think I do.

Certainly my preferred truck of the last few years. I'm not one for brand loyalty but Ace have treated me really well. Still looking forward to an 8.75" axle Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 20, 2021, 10:20:32 PM
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 21, 2021, 06:08:09 AM
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?

Depends on your weight and looseness. Though one of the draws of Aces is their lower height. I run 56mm classics with no risers on Aces, but I cant get away with a wider wheel of the same size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dr.prestige on October 21, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?

I'm riding 60mms with 1/8" risers and reasonably loose Aces, I do experience some wheel bite but never enough to be significantly slowed down or stopped by it. I'm riding 50s with low trucks on another setup and regularly experience wheel bite that slows down or stops me, so I would say 55s on Aces will work well. Especially since 1/8"=3.175mm, with 55s you'll have even more wheel clearance than I do, so unless you're on some Daewon level loose trucks I would imagine they'll skate great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on October 21, 2021, 03:19:42 PM
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
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Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!
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I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember  perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…

Hey no problem at all, thanks for throwing in! I'm juste scared that they will maybe feel less stable than Aces at the looseness I'm riding. Still, might try Indys back when I'll have grinded down my present ones  8)
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I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly,  I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
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it sounds like the pivot point on your hangar isn't angled directly in line with the pivot cup, this could be happening because your bottom washer isn't sitting high enough off of the baseplate (because you aren't using a bottom washer). Try putting a bottom washer in and see if it changes anything.

I just can't ride trucks with the bottom washer, it feels to me like theres a stiffness in the turn that will never go away if I leave them on. Thanks still, pretty sure this is the main factor leading to my pivot hole going destructo mode. I'm going the live my metal abrasive Ace life to the fullest and maybe do something about it when it gets out of hand ahah.


The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.

It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.

Nice thank you very much for your feedback! Makes me want to give them a try back \( 0_0)/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on October 21, 2021, 05:02:02 PM
I'm a nobody but I think I do.

Certainly my preferred truck of the last few years. I'm not one for brand loyalty but Ace have treated me really well. Still looking forward to an 8.75" axle Ace.

Im on this boat as well. I had a shit experience with thunders that didnt turn. The hanger was grinded down to shit after many a session and somehow the bushings never broke in. No matter how loose I had them they just did  not turn as good as my old thunder raws from years ago.

Gave Ace a try because of all the Dela footy that made it look like his trucks were actually responsive, and man did they over perform

I have a few setups, three with classics, one with AF1s and they all skate great. Hated the AF1 at first but theyve broken in well with no pivot cup issues. Im not much of a slappier though so it may be that

I dont think any truck will turn as good as Aces. I could be wrong but thats my experience so far
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 22, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVVj1jtJEMX/?utm_medium=copy_link

Spanky on Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: opesorry on October 22, 2021, 11:04:04 AM
Yeah I was pumped to see that as well. Finally bought some AF1's after being tempted to try them since they dropped and Spanky's always been a favorite so this is great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on October 22, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Copped the AF1 in a 55 for my 8.375… couldn’t be happier. Even with them being extremely loose from the jump I got used to it and had the best session that I’ve had for awhile
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on October 22, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
finally received my 77s..

(https://i.ibb.co/6sBb33B/IMG-20211022-175609.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6sBb33B)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on October 22, 2021, 06:01:16 PM
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?
@pops
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 23, 2021, 04:10:16 AM
1/8 risers on my brand new AF1s w/ 58mm wheels, defs got wheelbite today!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CrackWhore2000 on October 23, 2021, 10:41:00 AM
finally received my 77s..

Same, stock bushings?  I just got the ace hards, put them on but haven’t skated it yet. Tried to put a set of bones hards on but won’t fit. Idk if this is just a af1 thing or what.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie varial flip on October 23, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
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@pops
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.

On 44s with 55 OG Classics and same, no wheelbite. Had some on one board that was especially full (8.5 AWS, I normally skate 8.3/8.25) but it still went away pretty quick. I think I could get away with a little bigger even
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Post by: CrackWhore2000 on October 23, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
I'm riding 60mms with 1/8" risers and reasonably loose Aces, I do experience some wheel bite but never enough to be significantly slowed down or stopped by it.

Riding 60mm Ricta clouds on my 77s... no riser... I'm 170 lbs and even with the stock bushings cranked down it was still pretty loose, but no wheel bite.  I'm sure i could have forced it to if I really tried but wasn't a problem at all.  Moved on to hard bushings now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on October 23, 2021, 11:52:33 PM
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finally received my 77s..
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Same, stock bushings?  I just got the ace hards, put them on but haven’t skated it yet. Tried to put a set of bones hards on but won’t fit. Idk if this is just a af1 thing or what.

yup.stock bushings..will set it up with the curbkiller board..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on October 25, 2021, 02:54:01 AM
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@pops
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.
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On 44s with 55 OG Classics and same, no wheelbite. Had some on one board that was especially full (8.5 AWS, I normally skate 8.3/8.25) but it still went away pretty quick. I think I could get away with a little bigger even

i also skate 44 classics, just got another pair today. i ride em loose (front truck is shakey, back truck is a little tighter) with 56mm (well now they are ~52s) classics and i get a little bit of wheelbite but nothing crazy. i use very thin rubber shock pads that add maybe 1mm to the height because the bolt holes in my last set of aces got a lot wider and i had to constantly put the trucks back in place so the board didn't turn by itself.

btw because of the colder weather i decided to put my old stock bushings on that new set of trucks because i hate breaking in trucks, works almost like a charm but i still have to break in the pivot cups, they're a lil squeaky rn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on October 25, 2021, 03:53:49 AM
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@pops
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.
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On 44s with 55 OG Classics and same, no wheelbite. Had some on one board that was especially full (8.5 AWS, I normally skate 8.3/8.25) but it still went away pretty quick. I think I could get away with a little bigger even
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i also skate 44 classics, just got another pair today. i ride em loose (front truck is shakey, back truck is a little tighter) with 56mm (well now they are ~52s) classics and i get a little bit of wheelbite but nothing crazy. i use very thin rubber shock pads that add maybe 1mm to the height because the bolt holes in my last set of aces got a lot wider and i had to constantly put the trucks back in place so the board didn't turn by itself.

btw because of the colder weather i decided to put my old stock bushings on that new set of trucks because I hate breaking in trucks, works almost like a charm but i still have to break in the pivot cups, they're a lil squeaky rn.

Oh man, I feel like I'm the only dude out here that actually likes squeaky trucks. I've always associate the squeaking with broken in trucks. Growing up as a little guy all I had was a toys-r-us board, and the trucks didn't squeak, didn't matter how broken in they were. Everyone I knew who had real skateboards had squeaky trucks. So I guess I've just conditioned my self to enjoy squeaky trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on October 25, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
Going to my local shop in a couple hours to get my first set of Aces. Very hyped.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 25, 2021, 07:19:10 AM
The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 25, 2021, 07:20:28 AM
The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.

Just do no washers inside and you'll be good. A couple summers ago I skated an 8.06" with 44s and no washers and it looked good. I'll find a pic if I can.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on October 25, 2021, 08:52:04 AM
The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.

one of my friends skates 8-8.125 boards and he rocked them with 44 classics, didn't look like it bothered him.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 25, 2021, 09:47:25 AM


Oh man, I feel like I'm the only dude out here that actually likes squeaky trucks. I've always associate the squeaking with broken in trucks. Growing up as a little guy all I had was a toys-r-us board, and the trucks didn't squeak, didn't matter how broken in they were. Everyone I knew who had real skateboards had squeaky trucks. So I guess I've just conditioned my self to enjoy squeaky trucks.

I'm with you. I do sometimes put a little bit of wax in the pivot cups of brand new trucks but that's just for break in purposes. I like my trucks to make noises.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 25, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
Big thanks to everybody who answered my question about the risers. I decided to go with 1/8 risers because of the wheel softness I chose. I'm scared those would just wheelbite easier without risers and I don’t want that to happen when riding higher speeds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 26, 2021, 02:05:45 AM
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The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.
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Just do no washers inside and you'll be good. A couple summers ago I skated an 8.06" with 44s and no washers and it looked good. I'll find a pic if I can.
Yo, I appreciate the response. Just measured it (didn’t quite look right) and this thing is a 7.88 so it’s no wonder the trucks looked insane. :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on October 26, 2021, 04:50:22 AM
tried searching but couldn't find, maybe it hasent been brought up but is Ace releasing a hollow version? Tim/bail gun gary (nine club) was blurring out his Aces for a bit on IG (he posted he had prototype ones at one point) but recently hasn't and it looks like he has a hollow kingpin in them...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 26, 2021, 08:26:19 AM
Social media chatter seems to suggest hollow versions are coming, as is an 8.75" axle, possibly in Spring. Be prepared for a long wait though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 26, 2021, 08:46:21 AM
Social media chatter seems to suggest hollow versions are coming, as is an 8.75" axle, possibly in Spring. Be prepared for a long wait though.

The long wait is really key to a lot of this stuff. Lead times from Asia are insanely long now, with shipping containers backing up for months at ports all around the country. No one wants to tease, much less promise, a new product like that since they likely have no idea when it will even become available.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 26, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
ok last pic. took this before i set it up on my board. this is where the idea came from. had some paint left over from a recent project where i pretty much did what i did on my trucks. so i said f it. im not into animal crossing as much as you might think. but its cute as fuck...to me

(https://i.imgur.com/U6F9c3r.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 26, 2021, 09:11:03 AM
ok last pic. took this before i set it up on my board. this is where the idea came from. had some paint left over from a recent project where i pretty much did what i did on my trucks. so i said f it. im not into animal crossing as much as you might think. but its cute as fuck...to me

(https://i.imgur.com/U6F9c3r.jpg)

Apropos of nothing, but right went lockdown came to America, I decided to buy a Switch. I went into a store and was like "Sell me a Switch, please", and I took the only one (of two) which they had. It turned out to be the Animal Crossing Switch, which upset several of my friends who had been on waitlists and had preordered theirs, only not to get one. I mainly used it to play Zelda, haven't really touched it and probably won't until there's a sequel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 26, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Finally put some more time on my AF1's, I like them more than the classics aside from the weight. Enjoying my time on these has re-ignited my madness... thanks a lot. Maybe Lurpivs are the missing link between ace/indy?  Though its probably more likely that im just some nutjob who will be thinking about his trucks too much until he dies.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 26, 2021, 09:59:51 AM
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ok last pic. took this before i set it up on my board. this is where the idea came from. had some paint left over from a recent project where i pretty much did what i did on my trucks. so i said f it. im not into animal crossing as much as you might think. but its cute as fuck...to me

(https://i.imgur.com/U6F9c3r.jpg)
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Apropos of nothing, but right went lockdown came to America, I decided to buy a Switch. I went into a store and was like "Sell me a Switch, please", and I took the only one (of two) which they had. It turned out to be the Animal Crossing Switch, which upset several of my friends who had been on waitlists and had preordered theirs, only not to get one. I mainly used it to play Zelda, haven't really touched it and probably won't until there's a sequel.

LMAO yea it was wild for a second on the animal crossing switch. i had to make stuff to go with the AC switch and found one during the madness on a trip out of town. i would probably have been upset too lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Finally put some more time on my AF1's, I like them more than the classics aside from the weight. Enjoying my time on these has re-ignited my madness... thanks a lot. Maybe Lurpivs are the missing link between ace/indy?  Though its probably more likely that im just some nutjob who will be thinking about his trucks too much until he dies.

If Lurpiv weren't 55mm tall, I'd have nabbed set because my madness also thought they could be the middle ground ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lilboosie on October 27, 2021, 07:48:25 AM
How tall are aces. I liked thunder but they were too low
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 27, 2021, 05:29:50 PM
Spanky seems to be skating a hollow kingpin Ace, anyone seen these before ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 27, 2021, 05:36:28 PM
Spanky seems to be skating a hollow kingpin Ace, anyone seen these before ?

Been talked about a bunch of the past few pages. Someone here with insider knowledge says that they will debut them in the spring. I assume that, like everything else coming from China, they are stuck somewhere in a massive supply chain backlog.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2021, 09:37:18 PM
How tall are aces. I liked thunder but they were too low


They are all listed as 53mm on their site, both AF1 and Classics.


Just a couple of links with more info too - used the 55s in each more just for reference:


https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-55-polished

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/af1-polished-55

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 28, 2021, 12:06:06 AM
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How tall are aces. I liked thunder but they were too low
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They are all listed as 53mm on their site, both AF1 and Classics.


Just a couple of links with more info too - used the 55s in each more just for reference:


https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-55-polished

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/af1-polished-55

Just as a note, they wheelbite a lot less than 55 mm tall Indys due to the different geometry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iamarodent on October 28, 2021, 01:01:29 AM
Anyone have any idea what bushings might help me reduce the wheelbite I'm getting?

Ace 77 AF1 (Stock bushings)
Spitfire FF 53mm
3/4" Risers
Blast Nasir deck (10"ish)

The only way I can get rid of the bite is by totally cranking down the trucks, can't say I remember having this problem with the classics, or at least not quite as bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 28, 2021, 01:27:58 AM
Did you break in the bushings?
My classic 44s handle 56mm wheels perfectly without any wheelbite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 28, 2021, 01:58:45 AM
Anyone have any idea what bushings might help me reduce the wheelbite I'm getting?

Ace 77 AF1 (Stock bushings)
Spitfire FF 53mm
3/4" Risers
Blast Nasir deck (10"ish)

The only way I can get rid of the bite is by totally cranking down the trucks, can't say I remember having this problem with the classics, or at least not quite as bad.


Wondering if others who have the widest trucks will voice their opinions, but I do recall it being said that the wider the trucks, the more likely they have wheelbite issues, AF1 77s being the widest trucks (besides Indy 215s) most people would have on regular setups.

How much concave does the board have you are riding them on is a question I would be asking too, eg wider boards are often more mellow overall otherwise feet would be hurting just standing on them, so for the same total width, the rail is a lot lower than something half the size.

Many old school types of boards have minimal concave too, which makes it even harder on those sort of trucks, as per a couple of 80s "no concave" boards that are virtually unrideable for me, as I cannot turn deep enough on any trucks I put on them.

Also just checking which risers you are using, either 1/8, 1/4 or even 1/2 but I don't think 3/4 would have any wheelbite at all, as well as being so high off the ground it would feel like a 4x4 dirt board.  Guessing you might mean 1/4 risers, which are fairly common and what I have on the boards with 60mm cruiser wheels and that is plenty high enough.


As far as the wheelbite goes too, is it only if you land on the board wrong, or is it as you turn and just push down a little too much on one side?


That might be too many questions already, but for the most part, allowing time for the bushings to break in has been noted for Ace trucks, as well as others getting the aftermarket harder bushings, which are available online as well as in some shops.  You could try any other harder bushings you have, or even some from old trucks if you still have them just to see, as the bottoms in Ace are only 86 duro which on average is very soft.  Even just use the old bottoms first and see.


For reference:


Ace Standard/Stock Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics

Top - 91a
Bottom - 86a


Ace Hard Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics

Top - 94a
Bottom - 94a


https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-hard-bushings



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iamarodent on October 28, 2021, 02:30:49 AM
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Anyone have any idea what bushings might help me reduce the wheelbite I'm getting?

Ace 77 AF1 (Stock bushings)
Spitfire FF 53mm
3/4" Risers
Blast Nasir deck (10"ish)

The only way I can get rid of the bite is by totally cranking down the trucks, can't say I remember having this problem with the classics, or at least not quite as bad.
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Wondering if others who have the widest trucks will voice their opinions, but I do recall it being said that the wider the trucks, the more likely they have wheelbite issues, AF1 77s being the widest trucks (besides Indy 215s) most people would have on regular setups.

How much concave does the board have you are riding them on is a question I would be asking too, eg wider boards are often more mellow overall otherwise feet would be hurting just standing on them, so for the same total width, the rail is a lot lower than something half the size.

Many old school types of boards have minimal concave too, which makes it even harder on those sort of trucks, as per a couple of 80s "no concave" boards that are virtually unrideable for me, as I cannot turn deep enough on any trucks I put on them.

Also just checking which risers you are using, either 1/8, 1/4 or even 1/2 but I don't think 3/4 would have any wheelbite at all, as well as being so high off the ground it would feel like a 4x4 dirt board.  Guessing you might mean 1/4 risers, which are fairly common and what I have on the boards with 60mm cruiser wheels and that is plenty high enough.


As far as the wheelbite goes too, is it only if you land on the board wrong, or is it as you turn and just push down a little too much on one side?


That might be too many questions already, but for the most part, allowing time for the bushings to break in has been noted for Ace trucks, as well as others getting the aftermarket harder bushings, which are available online as well as in some shops.  You could try any other harder bushings you have, or even some from old trucks if you still have them just to see, as the bottoms in Ace are only 86 duro which on average is very soft.  Even just use the old bottoms first and see.


For reference:


Ace Standard/Stock Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics

Top - 91a
Bottom - 86a


Ace Hard Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics

Top - 94a
Bottom - 94a


https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-hard-bushings

I think you're spot on with this being a wide truck/board issue. The deck definitely is on the mellower side of concave.

And yeah sorry my bad, I meant 1/4" risers. I'm curious if a slightly angled riser would be an idea.

They're just under two months old now, skated 3-4x a week. They feel broken in but it feels almost like the bushings don't ramp up in resistance the farther I lean (sorry if that doesn't make sense).

I'd really love to figure out how to make these trucks work for me at this width. I've been an ace fan for years, admittedly not ridden them this wide before. Thanks for the recommendations though

Did you break in the bushings?
My classic 44s handle 56mm wheels perfectly without any wheelbite

Yup broken in. I had the same experience with my classic 44's. Never had wheelbite isses.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 28, 2021, 07:07:27 AM
Wider trucks in theory are more prone to wheel bite. More leverage.

Also, I had a similar issues with AF1s being more prone to wheel bite. I just put it down to the very soft bushings. Finally put in some broken in Krux to replace the top bushings and it was fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on October 28, 2021, 02:47:48 PM
Anyone ever skate those 03 lows? Maybe with an inverted kingpin and a riser they could be good. Kinda like how they keep the OG skinny look to them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Velcro Wallet on October 29, 2021, 01:56:11 AM
My first proper skate of these trucks was awesome. Just cruising around on flat. Since I’m over 100kg’s and don’t ride super loose trucks I had to crank them a fair bit and the bushings popped out but it didn’t matter. Doesn’t affect anything.  I’ll just skate these till they’re cooked. Really loving them. I can see what all the fuss is about
(https://i.ibb.co/C5nPJbQ/E3-C8460-A-429-A-4-BE5-8924-4-C18380-AACF9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C5nPJbQ)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: opesorry on October 30, 2021, 11:02:11 AM
Had my first session with my AF1s coming from Thunders, and let’s just say I was so concerned about wheelbase I did not consider the height difference. Spent the whole session basically just trying to get solid pop on literally anything.

I got them to set up with longer wheelbases but wanted to break them in before my next deck, so I set them up on the 14” WB I’m currently riding. Even being brand new I liked the way they felt when cruising around, and the times when I did get a good pop it was amazing. So I’m excited to get used to them, I feel like I’m gonna like them a lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 31, 2021, 07:45:45 AM
I had a pair of well-skated Ace Classic 44s, which I enjoyed skating very much, but realized recently that the hangers and axles had bent inwards, some with ~3mm of deflection from stock (measured against some new Classic 44s I had). I contacted Ace with the information and photos, and their customer service was excellent - they quickly sent me a brand new pair of Ace AF1 44s, at my request.

The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?

Also, has anyone here put enough time of their AF1s to tell whether or not the hangers bend? The shape of the hanger - the only truck I can think of without a strong triangular truss - remains more or less unchanged, although the material is slightly beefed up. I suspect that this isn't enough to solve the problem, and that there will be significant deflection in the hanger itself, especially as the material wears away. Time will tell, but I am taking some base measurements so I can come back and see in a year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 31, 2021, 12:54:44 PM

The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?


My pivots got shredded and I’m tempted to buy the replacement pivots from the Ace site. But… I’m sure any moment now RipTide will release the AF1.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 31, 2021, 04:10:23 PM
I had a pair of well-skated Ace Classic 44s, which I enjoyed skating very much, but realized recently that the hangers and axles had bent inwards, some with ~3mm of deflection from stock (measured against some new Classic 44s I had). I contacted Ace with the information and photos, and their customer service was excellent - they quickly sent me a brand new pair of Ace AF1 44s, at my request.

The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?

Also, has anyone here put enough time of their AF1s to tell whether or not the hangers bend? The shape of the hanger - the only truck I can think of without a strong triangular truss - remains more or less unchanged, although the material is slightly beefed up. I suspect that this isn't enough to solve the problem, and that there will be significant deflection in the hanger itself, especially as the material wears away. Time will tell, but I am taking some base measurements so I can come back and see in a year.

Have only been on mine for about a month. Not bent yet. I bent classics in that time frame. Aside from them being slightly beefed up, they're also made out of a harder alloy this time, so that might help. Idk. But that's they the grind feels different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 01, 2021, 08:20:20 AM
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The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?

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My pivots got shredded and I’m tempted to buy the replacement pivots from the Ace site. But… I’m sure any moment now RipTide will release the AF1.

Is there anything different about the replacement cups? Wouldn't it just be more of the same? Are they different from the Ace Classic cups? Because with those, you could just swap in the harder and more durable plastic Indy cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 01, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
 After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2021, 08:46:35 AM
After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.

If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 01, 2021, 09:05:07 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.

Just skated some 33s from the good poster formerly known as Frozen Industries. My fave looking truck.
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better. I agree with above that changing the bushings puts more stress on a truck that turns very very well, but doesn’t have the most robust longevity. I used to bend the stage 1s….and then I’d still skate them, and they worked fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 01, 2021, 09:08:57 AM

Just skated some 33s from the good poster formerly known as Frozen Industries. My fave looking truck.
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better. I agree with above that changing the bushings puts more stress on a truck that turns very very well, but doesn’t have the most robust longevity. I used to bend the stage 1s….and then I’d still skate them, and they worked fine.

The classics still skated fine after I bent them (I bent two pairs actually, one OG pair and one of the latest revisions) but the bent axels seemed to force my bearings to the outside of their seat, after every couple runs my wheels would get tight. Super annoying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on November 02, 2021, 04:34:40 PM
Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 02, 2021, 05:29:55 PM
Nah, I'm saving all my crazy for when he drops the lurpiv unboxing video
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thebacker on November 03, 2021, 06:33:05 AM
Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE

i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 03, 2021, 06:46:55 AM
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Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
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i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks

Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RottenToTheCore on November 03, 2021, 10:49:03 AM
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Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
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i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
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Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.

He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rosemaryBB on November 03, 2021, 11:09:48 AM
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Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
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i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
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Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.
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He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before

To be fair though, I would also lie about having a Slap account if pressed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 03, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
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Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
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i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
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Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.
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He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before
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To be fair though, I would also lie about having a Slap account if pressed

People post selfies here and I don’t even want to reveal what region of the United States I’m from
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 03, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
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Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy

https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
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i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
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Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.
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He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before
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To be fair though, I would also lie about having a Slap account if pressed

I refuse to believe he's not a regular poster on here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kevs.clips on November 04, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but has anyone popped an inverted kingpin into their AF1s? Heard through Insta that they’re a pain in the ass to get out. Wanna try it but worried I’m just gonna bash away at the baseplate to no avail.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 04, 2021, 09:27:27 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.


I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 04, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?

What's the issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?

With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 04, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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What's the issue?


They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.


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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great



Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 04, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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What's the issue?
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They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.


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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
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Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.

They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 04, 2021, 10:51:10 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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What's the issue?
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They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.


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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
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Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.
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They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?


Not Daewon loose or anything, but fairly. The trucks I just retired had a slight wiggle to them but that was more because they're old than a conscious decision. I stepped on someone else's board with some weathered Ace trucks and they were plenty loose yet stable so I know my time's coming. But woof, I wish there was a shortcut lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 04, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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What's the issue?
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They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.


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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
[close]

If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
[close]


I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
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Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.
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They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?
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Not Daewon loose or anything, but fairly. The trucks I just retired had a slight wiggle to them but that was more because they're old than a conscious decision. I stepped on someone else's board with some weathered Ace trucks and they were plenty loose yet stable so I know my time's coming. But woof, I wish there was a shortcut lol.

I feel you, just loosen them as much as you safely can, and let it rock. the cold is slowing things down, but it will happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 04, 2021, 01:04:39 PM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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What's the issue?
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They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.


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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
[close]

If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
[close]


I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
[close]

With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
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Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.
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They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?
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Not Daewon loose or anything, but fairly. The trucks I just retired had a slight wiggle to them but that was more because they're old than a conscious decision. I stepped on someone else's board with some weathered Ace trucks and they were plenty loose yet stable so I know my time's coming. But woof, I wish there was a shortcut lol.

There is a shortcut and it’s easy. Change those stock washers to Indy washers for example. The Ace classic washers are fucking trash. They’re thicker than most others and are too small otherwise too. They restrict the turn. It’s no good. I usually can’t deal with the break in and just change the washers instead and the trucks are good to go with no tinkering needed until the pivot cups are done.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 05, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
has anyone noticed that the Ace af1 has a smaller than normal hangar? I have the 55's (8.5), the trucks fit on my board more like an Indy 144 (8.25). I even measured the hangars and they measured the same as an Indy 144 hangar.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 05, 2021, 05:20:20 PM
You have to measure the coned bit of the hangers also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 05, 2021, 06:49:02 PM
You have to measure the coned bit of the hangers also.

yeah I did, with calipers. it measured 147mm. I just put 2 washers on the inside of each wheel to compensate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 05, 2021, 08:48:52 PM
Just measured mine. Yep, you are right. Still wider than Classic 44s though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2021, 09:27:50 PM
Do any of you find the AF1 also have longer axles like the Classics?

I can put four washers on a set of Classic 44s and still have play with the nut completely on, so although they are still not quite the same as 149s they are very close.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 06, 2021, 02:49:06 PM
has anyone noticed that the Ace af1 has a smaller than normal hangar? I have the 55's (8.5), the trucks fit on my board more like an Indy 144 (8.25). I even measured the hangars and they measured the same as an Indy 144 hangar.

Yes. My AF1 44s are basically an 8inch truck. 140mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 07, 2021, 04:50:44 PM
That would explain why my AF1 55s aren’t hotrod-ing on a 8.38 deck!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 07, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
af1 66s might be the 8.75 aces youve all been waiting for ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 07, 2021, 06:16:48 PM
af1 66s might be the 8.75 aces youve all been waiting for ;D

I like them best with an 8.75
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 07, 2021, 06:30:15 PM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
[close]

Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?




Alright, I'm a week in and they still don't feel good. I even went against people's advice and loosened them and they just don't feel that responsive. A buddy of mine showed up with a brand new set of 55 Classics and his felt better day one then mine do now. (I'm riding 44 Classics on an 8.38 board.)


I dunno if his wider truck just felt better or if my stock bushings won't adjust to the mild cold but I'm ready to start tinkering and/or giving up on these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 07, 2021, 07:45:20 PM
af1 66s might be the 8.75 aces youve all been waiting for ;D

Alas, my AF1 66s are the same size as my Classic 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 09, 2021, 07:06:11 AM
Re: pivot cup destruction
This guy demonstrates how most traditional kingpin trucks destroy pivots because of pivot pin/pivot angle mismatch

https://changingangles.com/2021/05/05/tkp-trucks-history-and-quirks/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 09, 2021, 07:27:10 AM
Re: pivot cup destruction
This guy demonstrates how all traditional kingpin trucks destroy pivots because of pivot angle-kingpin angle mismatch

https://changingangles.com/2021/05/05/tkp-trucks-history-and-quirks/

Sounds like you need some Caliber IIIs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on November 09, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
I’ve destroyed all my pivot cups on trucks except aces. slappy crooks fucks em up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 09, 2021, 08:32:29 AM
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This guy demonstrates how all traditional kingpin trucks destroy pivots because of pivot angle-kingpin angle mismatch

https://changingangles.com/2021/05/05/tkp-trucks-history-and-quirks/
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Sounds like you need some Caliber IIIs

I edited my post a bit. He does show some TKP designs that are more aligned.

I also misworded--it's the pivot pin and pivot angle mismatch that contributes to the pivot cup thing. Kingpin angle is something he explores lower in the page. FWIW I love aces and bennetts and indies even though they're "wrong"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bigwheelbite on November 11, 2021, 03:24:44 PM
That would explain why my AF1 55s aren’t hotrod-ing on a 8.38 deck!

No 8.5 axle truck would anyway.

Skated both Indy & thunder 149’s and AF1 55’s on 8.25 which don’t hot rod let alone 8.38. They sit perfectly flush…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on November 13, 2021, 12:15:02 AM
Yo.

Im riding ACE Trucks for a while now and i was pretty happy with the Classics and starting to like the new AF1s too.

For whatever reason i got a problem with both versions now...

The axle seems to be moving. I dont know how to explain it properly since english is not my native language but i'll try.
Some weeks ago i noticed my wheels would somehow get stuck from time to time.
In between Sessions i got the feeling my setup slowed down somehow. Then i noticed that one wheel was sitting very tight and wasnt moving at all anymore.
I usually give them some space to wiggle so i was very confused on how this was happening. Dunno if the Axle was bent already or moving in the hanger.

This happened on a set of Classics.

Bought some brand new Classics. Came in already bent since deck had hell of a ghost turn even after broken in.

Bought another set of AF1s. Thought i was fine for now, but again wheels are getting stuck mid session from time to time.
I also noticed that nearly every trucks axle i bought since this shit is happening to me is so fucking short..
The axle nut sits barely flush on the axle and i dont got any extra washers on it. Only the two coming with the trucks.
This tilts me even more than the stuck wheels cause it adds up to the problem since there is even less space for the wheel.

Drives me crazy...

Did i just bought several bad QC trucks? Or am i missing something?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 13, 2021, 12:26:35 AM
Yo.

Im riding ACE Trucks for a while now and i was pretty happy with the Classics and starting to like the new AF1s too.

For whatever reason i got a problem with both versions now...

The axle seems to be moving. I dont know how to explain it properly since english is not my native language but i'll try.
Some weeks ago i noticed my wheels would somehow get stuck from time to time.
In between Sessions i got the feeling my setup slowed down somehow. Then i noticed that one wheel was sitting very tight and wasnt moving at all anymore.
I usually give them some space to wiggle so i was very confused on how this was happening. Dunno if the Axle was bent already or moving in the hanger.

This happened on a set of Classics.

Bought some brand new Classics. Came in already bent since deck had hell of a ghost turn even after broken in.

Bought another set of AF1s. Thought i was fine for now, but again wheels are getting stuck mid session from time to time.
I also noticed that nearly every trucks axle i bought since this shit is happening to me is so fucking short..
The axle nut sits barely flush on the axle and i dont got any extra washers on it. Only the two coming with the trucks.
This tilts me even more than the stuck wheels cause it adds up to the problem since there is even less space for the wheel.

Drives me crazy...

Did i just bought several bad QC trucks? Or am i missing something?

Its called axle slip, I had the same happening to me about 6 years ago on a pair of aces too, on both trucks after like 2 months of using them. 2021 and there’s still people having slipping axles. You would’ve guessed they fixed this problem by now, instead you get some cheap red rethreaders as compensation. Nice…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 13, 2021, 12:34:48 AM
Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 13, 2021, 01:05:26 AM
Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?

Sometimes the spacers don’t match the wheels you’re riding perfectly and that little give is enough to put pressure sideways on the bearing and make it slow down. I use spacers and washers on my bones Swiss and when I tighten my wheels to the max they barelly spin.
I also don’t like to have everything tight to the max because leaving a bit of give let’s the bearing also spin against the axle, which adds a bit of speed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 13, 2021, 01:50:58 AM
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Sometimes the spacers don’t match the wheels you’re riding perfectly and that little give is enough to put pressure sideways on the bearing and make it slow down. I use spacers and washers on my bones Swiss and when I tighten my wheels to the max they barelly spin.
I also don’t like to have everything tight to the max because leaving a bit of give let’s the bearing also spin against the axle, which adds a bit of speed.

What your saying makes sense, would the spacer size only matter if it was too tall for the wheel? Where the bearings would move freely but would have friction on the axle from the spacer being too much in contact with the inside of the wheel well?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on November 13, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?

As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 13, 2021, 03:21:31 AM
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As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?

Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on November 13, 2021, 08:05:36 AM
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As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?
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Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll. 


I use bearing spacers and both washers coming with the trucks and my wheels still get stuck when slip is happening. Nothing to do there i guess...
4 washers and there would be no chance to even get the axle nut on. The axle nut is barely flush now with only 2 washers...
Cant imagine losing space on the axle when going bigger sizes right?
Hopefully. I skate 9'.
Must've been bad luck on quality for at least the last 3 Sets of Aces i bought (classics and AF1s).
Scared to buy another pair now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 13, 2021, 08:16:40 AM
Let’s see some pics. Ace qc, anything possible, But over never seen this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?
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Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll. 

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I use bearing spacers and both washers coming with the trucks and my wheels still get stuck when slip is happening. Nothing to do there i guess...
4 washers and there would be no chance to even get the axle nut on. The axle nut is barely flush now with only 2 washers...
Cant imagine losing space on the axle when going bigger sizes right?
Hopefully. I skate 9'.
Must've been bad luck on quality for at least the last 3 Sets of Aces i bought (classics and AF1s).
Scared to buy another pair now...

Had a weird thing like this happen on my last set of 44 Classics. One wheel would bind up like axle slip super randomly, even on a speed check. Turned out one of the axles was threaded pretty off-center, so the shoulder between the threaded and solid section of the axle was very asymmetrical and the bearing would bind up like it was seated crooked. Had to file the transition which fixed it completely but it drove me fucking nuts trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on November 13, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
ive had a similar feeling onse on a pair of 44 classics. turned out to be the bearing seat of the wheel being wonky causing the bearing to shift and give a binding/slow feeling
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eranka on November 13, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
Yo.

Im riding ACE Trucks for a while now and i was pretty happy with the Classics and starting to like the new AF1s too.

For whatever reason i got a problem with both versions now...

The axle seems to be moving. I dont know how to explain it properly since english is not my native language but i'll try.
Some weeks ago i noticed my wheels would somehow get stuck from time to time.
In between Sessions i got the feeling my setup slowed down somehow. Then i noticed that one wheel was sitting very tight and wasnt moving at all anymore.
I usually give them some space to wiggle so i was very confused on how this was happening. Dunno if the Axle was bent already or moving in the hanger.

This happened on a set of Classics.

Bought some brand new Classics. Came in already bent since deck had hell of a ghost turn even after broken in.

Bought another set of AF1s. Thought i was fine for now, but again wheels are getting stuck mid session from time to time.
I also noticed that nearly every trucks axle i bought since this shit is happening to me is so fucking short..
The axle nut sits barely flush on the axle and i dont got any extra washers on it. Only the two coming with the trucks.
This tilts me even more than the stuck wheels cause it adds up to the problem since there is even less space for the wheel.

Drives me crazy...

Did i just bought several bad QC trucks? Or am i missing something?
thats an axle slip, it used to happen on trucks all the time
just bang the tip of the axle on the longer side on something hard a couple times until the wheel is free. on the first few times it would help for a while but the looser it gets the easier for it to slip again.
 indys used to give me the worst axle slips all the time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 13, 2021, 11:28:50 AM
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Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?
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As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?
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Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll. 

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I use bearing spacers and both washers coming with the trucks and my wheels still get stuck when slip is happening. Nothing to do there i guess...
4 washers and there would be no chance to even get the axle nut on. The axle nut is barely flush now with only 2 washers...
Cant imagine losing space on the axle when going bigger sizes right?
Hopefully. I skate 9'.
Must've been bad luck on quality for at least the last 3 Sets of Aces i bought (classics and AF1s).
Scared to buy another pair now...
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Had a weird thing like this happen on my last set of 44 Classics. One wheel would bind up like axle slip super randomly, even on a speed check. Turned out one of the axles was threaded pretty off-center, so the shoulder between the threaded and solid section of the axle was very asymmetrical and the bearing would bind up like it was seated crooked. Had to file the transition which fixed it completely but it drove me fucking nuts trying to figure out what the hell was going on.


Ace….the best and the worst.
I’ve been really fortunate, my last 4 sets of classics, and one set of af1s haven’t had any major problems. The af1s haven’t gotten really any work tho, but didn’t come with obvious defects.
As a company, they seem committed to not making sure things are right.
An ermico ace? Oof. Be so rad. (I know some people claim ermico qc isn’t the best, but I prefer USA and haven’t had a problem with cast ventures or thunders over the last 10+ years).
Ace, more so than maybe other truck designs, really needs better manufacturing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 13, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
I made a really unusual truck crisis decision to scoop some standard 149 Indy's from my local, along with those IKP baseplates. One of the hangers ended up having a smaller pivot nub on it compared to the other one, so it had tons of play in the pivot cup, reminded me of my first pair of AF1's where both hangers had that issue. China made trucks have such a horrible consistency compared to Ermico, I don't care what anyone says.

Nonetheless, I ended up just bringing them back and getting some AF1's again, which I don't know why cause I didn't even like them that much and gave my old pair away. I guess I just want the extra strength vs the classics. Shop got hooked up by the dist with a huge bag of AF1 pivot cups with no grease inside them, so I immediately took the stock ones out and cleaned off the pivot points on the hangers and put the dry ones in there. Tried to skate them stock and sure enough, top washers clicked like a mofo. Took them off and also replaced the stock bottom washers with the Array sleeved ones and that helped. These AF1's really do wheelbite so much more than classics, but whatever I'm just going to skate these and deal with it. Truck madness needs to chill the fuck out, getting tired of it...just skate!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 13, 2021, 12:03:02 PM
I made a really unusual truck crisis decision to scoop some standard 149 Indy's from my local, along with those IKP baseplates. One of the hangers ended up having a smaller pivot nub on it compared to the other one, so it had tons of play in the pivot cup, reminded me of my first pair of AF1's where both hangers had that issue. China made trucks have such a horrible consistency compared to Ermico, I don't care what anyone says.

I had the same pivot nub issue with the pair of 149’s I bought at the end of last year.  I thought one of the pivot cups was just messed up but it was that actual part of the hanger on one truck coming to too small of a point compared to the other and rattling around in the baseplate.  Never heard of anyone else having that issue so I thought I was just crazy.  NHS was easy to work with to replace them though.  Ended up just skating Ace 44 classics instead. 

The set of 169’s I just got for my current setup also feel very loose/wiggly in the pivots cups.  I’m hoping it’s not a big deal to get used to but I can already envision myself just throwing 55 classics on there. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 13, 2021, 12:32:02 PM
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I made a really unusual truck crisis decision to scoop some standard 149 Indy's from my local, along with those IKP baseplates. One of the hangers ended up having a smaller pivot nub on it compared to the other one, so it had tons of play in the pivot cup, reminded me of my first pair of AF1's where both hangers had that issue. China made trucks have such a horrible consistency compared to Ermico, I don't care what anyone says.
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I had the same pivot nub issue with the pair of 149’s I bought at the end of last year.  I thought one of the pivot cups was just messed up but it was that actual part of the hanger on one truck coming to too small of a point compared to the other and rattling around in the baseplate.  Never heard of anyone else having that issue so I thought I was just crazy.  NHS was easy to work with to replace them though.  Ended up just skating Ace 44 classics instead. 

The set of 169’s I just got for my current setup also feel very loose/wiggly in the pivots cups.  I’m hoping it’s not a big deal to get used to but I can already envision myself just throwing 55 classics on there.

I checked other Indy's in the shop when I took mine back and there were definitely others that had tons of play in the pivot, including some new stock 215's. And yeah, even though Ace classics have their own issues I've never had this specific one. Having all that wiggle room is a recipe for warped baseplates or just straight up breaking on a slappy. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on November 14, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
Had the same problem that some of yall seemed to have with the AF1s still being way too loose and prone to wheel-bite after a couple weeks so I switched the top bushing with a bones hard bushing. Kept the stock bottom bushing and standing on it felt a bit more stable so we’ll see.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 14, 2021, 08:25:17 PM
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That would explain why my AF1 55s aren’t hotrod-ing on a 8.38 deck!
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No 8.5 axle truck would anyway.

Skated both Indy & thunder 149’s and AF1 55’s on 8.25 which don’t hot rod let alone 8.38. They sit perfectly flush…

I see, that would explain it then. Difference between classic 44s and AF1s is pretty minimal in terms of size. AF1s seem like they are taking longer to break in though....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: STAH on November 14, 2021, 10:51:50 PM
Had the same problem that some of yall seemed to have with the AF1s still being way too loose and prone to wheel-bite after a couple weeks so I switched the top bushing with a bones hard bushing. Kept the stock bottom bushing and standing on it felt a bit more stable so we’ll see.


interesting...... let us know how that goes. I'm curious my self but I live in Vancouver. Sucks being a skater that lives in a rainforest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fs1/2cab on November 15, 2021, 01:08:38 PM
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Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?
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Sometimes the spacers don’t match the wheels you’re riding perfectly and that little give is enough to put pressure sideways on the bearing and make it slow down. I use spacers and washers on my bones Swiss and when I tighten my wheels to the max they barelly spin.
I also don’t like to have everything tight to the max because leaving a bit of give let’s the bearing also spin against the axle, which adds a bit of speed.
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What your saying makes sense, would the spacer size only matter if it was too tall for the wheel? Where the bearings would move freely but would have friction on the axle from the spacer being too much in contact with the inside of the wheel well?

My wheels also got stuck all the time. I replaced the spacer with the inner ring of an old bearing. That ring has a little play inside the wheel, of course. But I take that over wheels that get stuck. Hope that explanation makes sense, english isn't my first language.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on November 15, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Did a little tinkering around today and found that keeping the “broken in” stock bushing on my front truck and then replacing my top bushing with an old stock bushing from a pair of Classics I still have… does wonders for the stability. Can’t promise that others will feel that way but hey I had a blast today for the first time in awhile. Also found that for me the AF1s are a dream on wheelbases between 14.38-14.5. Anyways if anyone wants a set of white bones hard bushings dm me and I’ll send them to you for free
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: excitableboy on November 16, 2021, 01:47:15 PM
Got some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 16, 2021, 02:02:19 PM
I had what I thought was axle slip on some 44 Classics and it turned out it was just a defective nut.  (We've all had a defective nut from time to time, amirite fellas?) The nylock wasn't grabbing the threads on the axle well enough to keep the wheels from torqueing it while I was carving or something.  I was so exasperated trying to pound the axle back into place without it actually seeming to move that I finally made the connection between the nut on that wheel being unusually easy to turn with my fingers and the direction the wheel spins when you're rolling forward.  In the end a different nut was all it took.  Just one person's experience, but who knows if it might apply to you?

Also had the weird bearing seating issue with a wheel, but popping the bearings in that wheel and swapping them with each other seemed to fix it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 16, 2021, 02:02:58 PM
Got some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.

Were you skating Indy lows? Current Indys are 55mm high and Aces are 52mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: excitableboy on November 16, 2021, 02:21:30 PM
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Got some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.
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Were you skating Indy lows? Current Indys are 55mm high and Aces are 52mm.

Yes I believe so. This is how little note I take of this stuff - I didn't realize they were lows until today. Sloppy I know. I do recall having skated Thunder highs in the past and i got used to that, too. So I'll give it a chance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2021, 02:30:22 PM
It’s be sick if I was this chill about gear.
Instead I’m fried with multiple setups, tons of different parts. It’s not cool.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 16, 2021, 02:45:18 PM
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Got some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.
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Were you skating Indy lows? Current Indys are 55mm high and Aces are 52mm.
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Yes I believe so. This is how little note I take of this stuff - I didn't realize they were lows until today. Sloppy I know. I do recall having skated Thunder highs in the past and i got used to that, too. So I'll give it a chance.

It's funny because Aces feel low to me until I step on some venture lows or whatever. But yeah, that with the new wheels would be jarring.

It’s be sick if I was this chill about gear.
Instead I’m fried with multiple setups, tons of different parts. It’s not cool.


Dude just give the extra stuff away and make yourself skate one...oh wait, we know how that ends. I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: excitableboy on November 16, 2021, 02:48:12 PM
It’s be sick if I was this chill about gear.
Instead I’m fried with multiple setups, tons of different parts. It’s not cool.

It does seem like a pain in the ass to get all particular about it. Mind you I'm a cheap bastard so that's probably why I'm not. Got these Indys from a friend (a gear nut who kept changing up at the time), put them on a cruiser and started skating them properly years ago. I must've had them for maybe a decade or so. I seem to recall they came out when Koston changed to Indy? Could be totally wrong about that though. I'd just keep skating them but I can't adjust them anymore, the kingpin screw is ground down and looks melted together with the axle. They got looser and looser and as tolerant as I am to wheelbite it just got ridiculous. I feel vaguely guilty almost for retiring them so I must be a gear nut after all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lurkey on November 19, 2021, 07:18:07 AM
Christian Maalouf posted the hollows today

(https://i.ibb.co/kG5Js1D/B9023-F6-E-44-DA-4-DA3-B3-A4-980-AFE6725-B9.png) (https://ibb.co/kG5Js1D)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on November 19, 2021, 08:30:01 AM
there were definitely others that had tons of play in the pivot
Same here both ways, I have a set of forged titaniums that have the too small, too pointy pivot as well as a pair with a bigger pivot cavity in the baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 19, 2021, 10:27:53 AM
Christian Maalouf posted the hollows today

(https://i.ibb.co/kG5Js1D/B9023-F6-E-44-DA-4-DA3-B3-A4-980-AFE6725-B9.png) (https://ibb.co/kG5Js1D)

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on November 21, 2021, 02:05:08 AM
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on November 21, 2021, 02:57:29 AM
I've been on Af1s since spring and decided to try my classics for change and skated a long session yesterday. I hated them and about everything felt off from turning to grinding compared to Af1s. I hope they'll come up with 8.75 hollows soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Boog on November 21, 2021, 05:32:45 AM
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
Yeah I've noticed the same thing. Independent grind smoother than any other truck I've tried. Can't take that away from them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 21, 2021, 08:46:03 AM
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?

Same. Just got some 159s because I wanted an 8.75 truck after skating Aces for the last 5 years. I’m sticking with the Indys for now because the grind feels so good, but the kingpin nut is about to fall off because I got used to loose trucks. I still love my Aces though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on November 21, 2021, 09:49:43 AM
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 21, 2021, 10:27:52 AM
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I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
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My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.

You on classics or AF1s? I elt this way on classics, but the AF1s grind much better IMO
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on November 21, 2021, 10:54:41 AM
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I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
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My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.
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You on classics or AF1s? I elt this way on classics, but the AF1s grind much better IMO
Classics.
Apologies for not being more specific.
I still have another set of Classics on ice, so I won’t be graduating to AF1s for another year (plus).
Hopefully, that’ll give them time to work out the QC issues on the AF1 pivots, and maybe even come out w/ an 8.75” option.
Then again, I may have been swayed by Lurpivs by then. I am a terrible customer as far as product loyalty goes: I love to try different shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 21, 2021, 10:58:34 AM
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I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
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My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.
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You on classics or AF1s? I elt this way on classics, but the AF1s grind much better IMO
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Classics.
Apologies for not being more specific.
I still have another set of Classics on ice, so I won’t be graduating to AF1s for another year (plus).
Hopefully, that’ll give them time to work out the QC issues on the AF1 pivots, and maybe even come out w/ an 8.75” option.
Then again, I may have been swayed by Lurpivs by then. I am a terrible customer as far as product loyalty goes: I love to try different shit.

I gotchu, yea the AF1s deff grind better than the classics. I do hope they fix the pivot cup issue though. Both the kids I've seen at my local with AF1s have blown them out quickly. These lurpivs are like a taller, more stable ace, that grinds more like an Indy (still not quite as good as Indy though).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CBP on December 05, 2021, 12:44:53 PM
Just got some ace replacement bushings and the packaging says to put the bottom bushing "sharp side" down but the sides are indistinguishable. Any ideas which is which, swirly side or smooth side??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on December 05, 2021, 05:06:09 PM
Just got some ace replacement bushings and the packaging says to put the bottom bushing "sharp side" down but the sides are indistinguishable. Any ideas which is which, swirly side or smooth side??

Swirly side would be the sharp side, so if that's what they recommend, point that side down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: numagik on December 05, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
i checked mine and they are swirly side down

just bought some yesterday and am into them so far

Edit: actually after another little cruise I noticed my one baseplate is kinda lumpy on both sides and has a weird couple of dots. Does this seem like it’s defective or should I be alright?

(https://i.ibb.co/HrS1GYQ/A51-D87-EA-129-A-4-DEF-A6-D6-CC781-F332-A5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HrS1GYQ) (https://i.ibb.co/m4QDH3S/3-E6796-F6-B0-E3-447-F-8-D13-CC45-E574-A73-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4QDH3S)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
i checked mine and they are swirly side down

just bought some yesterday and am into them so far

Edit: actually after another little cruise I noticed my one baseplate is kinda lumpy on both sides and has a weird couple of dots. Does this seem like it’s defective or should I be alright?

(https://i.ibb.co/HrS1GYQ/A51-D87-EA-129-A-4-DEF-A6-D6-CC781-F332-A5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HrS1GYQ) (https://i.ibb.co/m4QDH3S/3-E6796-F6-B0-E3-447-F-8-D13-CC45-E574-A73-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4QDH3S)
I should actually post a pic of mine, the QC on the finishing is actually laughable ....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on December 06, 2021, 05:16:38 AM
i checked mine and they are swirly side down

just bought some yesterday and am into them so far

Edit: actually after another little cruise I noticed my one baseplate is kinda lumpy on both sides and has a weird couple of dots. Does this seem like it’s defective or should I be alright?

(https://i.ibb.co/HrS1GYQ/A51-D87-EA-129-A-4-DEF-A6-D6-CC781-F332-A5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HrS1GYQ) (https://i.ibb.co/m4QDH3S/3-E6796-F6-B0-E3-447-F-8-D13-CC45-E574-A73-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4QDH3S)

I'm sure it will skate fine. But this is pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on December 06, 2021, 08:10:25 AM
Any word on 8.75" Aces lately?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pinkgravy on December 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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Alright, I'm a week in and they still don't feel good. I even went against people's advice and loosened them and they just don't feel that responsive. A buddy of mine showed up with a brand new set of 55 Classics and his felt better day one then mine do now. (I'm riding 44 Classics on an 8.38 board.)


I dunno if his wider truck just felt better or if my stock bushings won't adjust to the mild cold but I'm ready to start tinkering and/or giving up on these.
. Take off the bottom washer to get your money's worth out of your aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: downtodevin on December 06, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 06, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
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After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
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If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
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Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
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I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
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Alright, I'm a week in and they still don't feel good. I even went against people's advice and loosened them and they just don't feel that responsive. A buddy of mine showed up with a brand new set of 55 Classics and his felt better day one then mine do now. (I'm riding 44 Classics on an 8.38 board.)


I dunno if his wider truck just felt better or if my stock bushings won't adjust to the mild cold but I'm ready to start tinkering and/or giving up on these.
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. Take off the bottom washer to get your money's worth out of your aces


I did and still hated them. Ended up getting another pair of Thunders and instantly felt better.



Sorry y'all, I tried.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: devourthehours on December 07, 2021, 05:17:58 AM
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.

I have these on my AF1 55s. I noticed that they kind of increase the stable center feeling without compromising the turn. I actually like my AF1s a lot more now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on December 07, 2021, 05:28:53 AM
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I have these on my AF1 55s. I noticed that they kind of increase the stable center feeling without compromising the turn. I actually like my AF1s a lot more now.
I got the complete opposite results. My classic 33s and 55s were very stable but my AF1 44s have zero stability. I had to give up on them after a few sessions. Which sucks I really wanted to like them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on December 07, 2021, 05:30:45 AM
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.
I did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 07, 2021, 07:08:21 AM
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I did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.

Just guessing since I didn't like them and got rid of them, but I think the AF1s and their big/soft pivot cups make it so they feel loose even with hard bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on December 07, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.

Not as much difference as i thought, slightly more stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on December 14, 2021, 08:42:05 AM
Wow. John Cardiel on Ace. Did I miss this or is this new?
 https://acetrucks.com/team/ (https://acetrucks.com/team/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 14, 2021, 09:05:50 AM
Been awhile.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GoldenGateHeights on December 30, 2021, 06:26:02 PM
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fhk on December 30, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
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I did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.
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Just guessing since I didn't like them and got rid of them, but I think the AF1s and their big/soft pivot cups make it so they feel loose even with hard bushings.
Ah that makes sense man, I really wish I could of got used to them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on December 30, 2021, 09:27:49 PM
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!

Had someone here recommended running it with the AF1 55s instead of the 66s. This was maybe in the DLX shapes thread some months back.

I did just that and been loving it. At the back truck I think it is bang on 8.5” and slightly more in the front. I like it so much that I bought two more Blue Meanies on Black Friday.

I’ve been wishing for 8.75” Aces for a long time but I don’t think I’d change from the AF1 55s to 8.75” even if they were suddenly available.

I run mine with the Real 3 ply wooden risers and 58 mm 99A F4 OG Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 31, 2021, 12:13:22 AM
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!

If you wanted it to be a bit tippy turny and more zippy, the 44s would work (sitting a way inside under the deck even with four washers on the inside of each wheel), but if you want a more balanced / stable ride overall, the 55s would work really well too (sitting just out a touch, one or no washers on the inside) so it depends on what you want to get out of it.

Some boards I have just feel so much more comfortable on wider trucks, like the Blue Meanie I have set up on Indy 159s, which are pretty much right on the size, so with the Ace classics, 44 will sit under and 55 will sit out a bit.


As Roisto said, the Ace AF1 55 would probably work best, if you were to choose any Ace variation, as that can be widened a touch as well, and sit fairly evenly on the back truck, a bit inside on the front.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 31, 2021, 07:37:29 AM
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!

I currently ride it with Af1 55s and conical fulls and they fit perfectly. Three months since I set this complete and it is one my favorites.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on December 31, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!

Great shape. Skating it with AF1 55s, extra washer inside, and 56 (now 55) SPFs.

My first one was set up with Indy 159 hollow forged. I like the Ace better on it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 01, 2022, 10:34:31 PM
I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 02, 2022, 12:49:56 AM
I had two sets of classic 44s I bought from here years ago. Both had loose kingpins. I hammered them out, put some “steel epoxy” in there and hammered there and hammered the kingpins back in. Both sets have held up well for years. Other set I skated until the hanger split in half and the kingpins were ground down so much that the nuts fell off cuz they were ground down so much they wouldn’t hold anymore. So the kingpins definitely got some stress.

If you hammer the kingpins out, make sure to keep the nut on so you don’t fuck up the threads of the kingpin. Also support the baseplate not only from the sides as the baseplates could then easily bend. When hammering the kingpin back in I used a big bolt as an aid as the kingpin goes inside the baseplate where you can’t reach with a hammer. When hammering the kingpin back in it’s also important to support the baseplate properly so you won’t bend it. I did it on my mate’s vise and it all worked out beautifully.

Lots of text but it really wasn’t that much trouble and it was nice to do so I definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 02, 2022, 01:45:49 AM
I had two sets of classic 44s I bought from here years ago. Both had loose kingpins. I hammered them out, put some “steel epoxy” in there and hammered there and hammered the kingpins back in. Both sets have held up well for years. Other set I skated until the hanger split in half and the kingpins were ground down so much that the nuts fell off cuz they were ground down so much they wouldn’t hold anymore. So the kingpins definitely got some stress.

If you hammer the kingpins out, make sure to keep the nut on so you don’t fuck up the threads of the kingpin. Also support the baseplate not only from the sides as the baseplates could then easily bend. When hammering the kingpin back in I used a big bolt as an aid as the kingpin goes inside the baseplate where you can’t reach with a hammer. When hammering the kingpin back in it’s also important to support the baseplate properly so you won’t bend it. I did it on my mate’s vise and it all worked out beautifully.

Lots of text but it really wasn’t that much trouble and it was nice to do so I definitely recommend it.

Thanks, I tried fixing them with your mentioned method but I think I messed with the kingpins thread already. I should've just left them as they were and put some glue on the base on the kingpin. I will stick with af1s for now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 02, 2022, 05:18:15 AM
I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?

You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 02, 2022, 09:48:13 AM
I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?

All my Ace kingpins wiggle. I like it. I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 02, 2022, 11:49:02 AM
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I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
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You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.

I contacted them not only because of that kingpin issue but also because one the axles has been faulty since I had the trucks. I have to forcefully press one wheel to make it fit all the way down. It slightly slowers the spinning of that wheel. Not bent because of use, it was there always.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 02, 2022, 12:11:23 PM
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I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
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You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.
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I contacted them not only because of that kingpin issue but also because one the axles has been faulty since I had the trucks. I have to forcefully press one wheel to make it fit all the way down. It slightly slowers the spinning of that wheel. Not bent because of use, it was there always.

That’s wild, I’m sure they’ll hook it up. Mine had bent axles (from use) on all four ends and the kingpin rattled loose. I sent them photos of the axles which demonstrated the problem and they asked me what trucks I wanted and mailed them the next day.

Very disappointing QC, but I appreciated the customer service and the fact that they let me switch to AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 02, 2022, 12:20:54 PM
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I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
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You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.
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I contacted them not only because of that kingpin issue but also because one the axles has been faulty since I had the trucks. I have to forcefully press one wheel to make it fit all the way down. It slightly slowers the spinning of that wheel. Not bent because of use, it was there always.

Yeah, that happened on my last set of Classics, the threading on one side of the axle was pretty severely off-center. It created a shoulder between the threaded and smooth part of the axle, had to reef the wheel down and even then the pressure on the bearings was uneven and slowed it down. I ended up chasing and extending the threads to smooth it out, which worked fine, but still sucked to troubleshoot. That said, first real QC issue I had with any Aces after about 4 years, so it coulda been worse. Hope they sort you out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 03, 2022, 01:04:57 PM
They replied me in a day, I even sent them video clips of my issues and they told they'll send me replacement trucks soon. That is awesome customer service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Icey on January 03, 2022, 08:14:35 PM
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 03, 2022, 08:23:12 PM
Yes. And I like it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 03, 2022, 08:35:10 PM
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!

Yeah, this is how I rode my 44s for basically the entire time I skated them. Works great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2022, 08:42:13 PM
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!


Yes did it and it was ok - the trucks do sit inside / tucked under, even with up to four washers on the insides (Ace has long axles) but they skated fine and didn't feel too narrow.

For people who like the magic carpet, they are perfect.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Icey on January 03, 2022, 08:52:06 PM
Dope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 03, 2022, 09:00:01 PM
You're talking 1/16" of an inch each side, axle shorter than deck at its widest. Negligible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mcidraque on January 04, 2022, 12:13:01 AM
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!
Dope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.

With a conical full (plus a couple washers on the truck side) it's pretty much sitting flush in my experience. If you pair them with a slimmer profile wheel, as other have stated, the differenece it's pretty much negligible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lukepat on January 04, 2022, 09:19:03 AM
First post.. sorry if this is wrong. BUT… Coming from 44 Classics should I go to AF1 44 or 55. I skate 8.25-8.5 decks. I am aware or hanger and axle measurement differences between Classic and AF1. Any experiences ? &#129300;
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 04, 2022, 09:20:30 AM
Neither, keep riding 44 classics
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Post by: Frank and Fred on January 04, 2022, 09:32:46 AM
@logjammin is right.
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Post by: manysnakes on January 04, 2022, 12:01:17 PM
Dope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.

The best combo. You can't go wrong with this selection.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 04, 2022, 01:39:33 PM
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The best combo. You can't go wrong with this selection.
Yup, two (or sometimes three) washers on hangerside and you’re golden.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lucascbn on January 05, 2022, 10:00:28 AM
Im about to buy Aces again, I rode one pair before (probably 44 classics Im not sure It was 4 years ago).

Are the new AF1s any better or should I go with the classics?

Thanks in advance, have a great week yall
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 05, 2022, 10:19:27 AM
This has been answered a few but I think Slap Gear Head consensus is, AF1s aren't really that much of an improvement. Maybe more durable and better sizing but the Classics remain classic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lucascbn on January 05, 2022, 10:27:11 AM
This has been answered a few but I think Slap Gear Head consensus is, AF1s aren't really that much of an improvement. Maybe more durable and better sizing but the Classics remain classic.

I guess that's pretty much the kinda answer I was looking for. Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 05, 2022, 12:43:34 PM
This has been answered a few but I think Slap Gear Head consensus is, AF1s aren't really that much of an improvement. Maybe more durable and better sizing but the Classics remain classic.

It's really all about what you wanna replace, the pivot cups, or a bent hangar.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 05, 2022, 01:29:48 PM
I've had 3 sets of 44s and two sets of 55s and not experienced either of those issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 05, 2022, 05:47:02 PM
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.

(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)

Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 05, 2022, 06:25:04 PM
Im about to buy Aces again, I rode one pair before (probably 44 classics Im not sure It was 4 years ago).

Are the new AF1s any better or should I go with the classics?

Thanks in advance, have a great week yall

Picky nerds on the internet have issues with them, but I think everyone in the real world I know who skates AF1s love them.   
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kenjiro on January 05, 2022, 08:40:11 PM
The 44 classics are a perfect truck to me.
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Post by: lucascbn on January 06, 2022, 05:41:59 AM
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Im about to buy Aces again, I rode one pair before (probably 44 classics Im not sure It was 4 years ago).

Are the new AF1s any better or should I go with the classics?

Thanks in advance, have a great week yall
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Picky nerds on the internet have issues with them, but I think everyone in the real world I know who skates AF1s love them.

HAHA thanks dude, nice to know!

Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.

(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)

Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.

that setup looks awesome
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: downtodevin on January 08, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.

(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)

Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.

This is a beautiful setup! Love the color of the deck. I love my Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet son of a bitch on January 08, 2022, 12:56:21 PM
Love that set up . Looks dope
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 08, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.

(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)

Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.

I should have gotten my af1s as 33s &#128553;&#128553;. I’ve barely touched my 44s.
But really. What I’m here to ask is…did you mount new trucks onto a deck that was used? I’ll admit that the color of the deck is fetching, but, new trucks on old board is a sin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pinkgravy on January 08, 2022, 05:00:07 PM
Fitted an Indy 215 hanger on an ace baseplate to fit this krooked zogger and it's perfect
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqc9w01/IMG-20220108-195747562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqc9w01)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 08, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Fitted an Indy 215 hanger on an ace baseplate to fit this krooked zogger and it's perfect
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqc9w01/IMG-20220108-195747562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqc9w01)

Interesting! How does the baseplate switch change them? Love Zip Zoggers but haven’t tried 215’s yet on them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pinkgravy on January 08, 2022, 09:35:30 PM
Im fully on the ace train,Indy's turn sluggish after switching to ace.indy hangers fit perfectly fine for me if I need a bit more or less width, and I have a few Indy hangers sitting around since switching to ace,the 66 hanger wasn't quite wide enough, and these turn just like ace 215s,I've also done it with 149s on a street setup,worked great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 09, 2022, 06:33:08 AM
Im fully on the ace train,Indy's turn sluggish after switching to ace.indy hangers fit perfectly fine for me if I need a bit more or less width, and I have a few Indy hangers sitting around since switching to ace,the 66 hanger wasn't quite wide enough, and these turn just like ace 215s,I've also done it with 149s on a street setup,worked great

I gotcha, thanks for elaborating!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet son of a bitch on January 09, 2022, 08:16:15 AM
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Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.

(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)

Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.
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I should have gotten my af1s as 33s &#38;#38;#128553;&#38;#38;#128553;. I’ve barely touched my 44s.
But really. What I’m here to ask is…did you mount new trucks onto a deck that was used? I’ll admit that the color of the deck is fetching, but, new trucks on old board is a sin
That’s the best part is it’s sin for new trucks new wheels on an old board and he doesn’t give a fuck & I back it . Putting indy hangers on aces is a sin but yet it’s done again & again .
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 10, 2022, 09:26:32 AM
Sounds like Ace's is goal is for the consumer to be able to order a variety specific components to build up a custom truck up front. At least that's what I am interpreting from a recent insta post. Might be more expensive that way but Slap trucks nerds spend that money anyway....


...me, I'll still just take a Classic with an 8.75" axle....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 10, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Sounds like Ace's is goal is for the consumer to be able to order a variety specific components to build up a custom truck up front. At least that's what I am interpreting from a recent insta post. Might be more expensive that way but Slap trucks nerds spend that money anyway....


...me, I'll still just take a Classic with an 8.75" axle....

Anyone seeing how many Slappers bought Lurpiv should probably realize that there is a decent market for high end trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on January 14, 2022, 11:40:51 AM
And, there's the 60.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYuPZSfPEmf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on January 14, 2022, 11:55:25 AM
thats a instant cop right there. I cant wait to see how it feels on a 8.5 Polar.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on January 14, 2022, 11:58:32 AM
It’s only an imperceptible 0.125” shorter than the 9” on each side but I need these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Carter on January 14, 2022, 12:15:14 PM
I tried to skate the af1 going from thunder titanium lights to them was too much I threw in the towel. way to heavy for me. going to try the af1 hollow lows because they are the same height as the thunders im skating and the responsiveness of the aces were next level
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 14, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
Can someone ascertain a pattern to the Ace numbering scheme?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2022, 02:18:54 PM
I tried to skate the af1 going from thunder titanium lights to them was too much I threw in the towel. way to heavy for me. going to try the af1 hollow lows because they are the same height as the thunders im skating and the responsiveness of the aces were next level

Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of weight and turning.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 14, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
Can someone ascertain a pattern to the Ace numbering scheme?

Pick number in between two existing numbers.  Put number on trucks.  Hope the general public does not ask questions. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on January 14, 2022, 03:13:11 PM
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Can someone ascertain a pattern to the Ace numbering scheme?
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Pick number in between two existing numbers.  Put number on trucks.  Hope the general public does not ask questions.

This. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Carter on January 14, 2022, 03:46:56 PM
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I tried to skate the af1 going from thunder titanium lights to them was too much I threw in the towel. way to heavy for me. going to try the af1 hollow lows because they are the same height as the thunders im skating and the responsiveness of the aces were next level
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Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of weight and turning.
I know I just wish I could skate the regs but I can't so im going to try the hollow lows when they drop. its all about trying new things and I did and just couldn't hang. tried to be a big boy but holy hell I was terrified to try anything. may have been the 25 degree weather may have been also breaking in the ishod shoe which has too much ventilation and couldn't feel my feet but im going to give the af1 44's to a local kid that can't afford new shit and grab the lows and try again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on January 14, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkDJ5CD/MED-BUSH-BACK-LOW-530px-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dkDJ5CD)
Weird how their stock bushings have a softer barrel on the board side and harder cone on the roadside. Seems like most everyone does the opposite when mixing duros.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2022, 04:39:31 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkDJ5CD/MED-BUSH-BACK-LOW-530px-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dkDJ5CD)
Weird how their stock bushings have a softer barrel on the board side and harder cone on the roadside. Seems like most everyone does the opposite when mixing duros.

The harder top is how ACE snaps back to center and keep a deep turn, this is why they are so maneuverable. Doing the opposite, is more sluggish by comparison: you get better stability (harder barrel) but a slower return to center.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: HyperBeam on January 14, 2022, 05:50:14 PM
while on the subject of aces and thunders: being that aces are closer to thunder in height than indy, do aces have a similar "quick trigger" feeling on the pop like thunder? on indy's the pop feels more delayed/requires more wind up, which i'm assuming is a result of the increased height.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on January 14, 2022, 07:28:08 PM
I’ll stand by that the trucks are extremely different…..

Thunder: quick twitch but limited turning radius, quick pop, extend wheelbase
Ace: deep turning radius, slower but more powerful pop, shortened wheelbase

The two other things they have in common is neither and Indy’s and no one buys their t-shirts…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 15, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
while on the subject of aces and thunders: being that aces are closer to thunder in height than indy, do aces have a similar "quick trigger" feeling on the pop like thunder? on indy's the pop feels more delayed/requires more wind up, which i'm assuming is a result of the increased height.

Completely different in my opinion. I’d say it’s more about the wheelbase than it is about the height.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on January 15, 2022, 12:56:10 PM
Let’s see if the Ace lo’s wheelbite like thunders….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DanRar009 on January 16, 2022, 06:26:21 PM
Anyone know when the ace hard bushings will be in stock? They posted a picture to their Instagram story but no eta
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: downtodevin on January 17, 2022, 07:55:22 AM
Anyone know when the ace hard bushings will be in stock? They posted a picture to their Instagram story but no eta

No idea, I got sick of waiting and just ordered them from a skate shop online. It was a shop in Florida.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DanRar009 on January 17, 2022, 07:46:13 PM
I feel ya. Might check parade world or something then
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kevs.clips on January 20, 2022, 08:43:06 PM
Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 21, 2022, 09:27:11 AM
Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.

Tensor cups are much lower and thinner (nowhere near the quality if ACE cups) over all but might work in a pinch? Best bet is to pop it in and see what you get.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on January 21, 2022, 10:01:24 AM
Between 55mm high Indy 149s and the AF1 55s, which do you reckon is better for running a big set of wheels w/o risers? Big as in 56-58mm and some wheelbite will be inevitable. I remember the classics actually wheelbite less than a similarly-sized, though higher, Indy--is it the same with the AF1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 21, 2022, 10:03:39 AM
Great question. I think the AF1s are more prone to wheelbite than the Classics. The AF1s seem to edge closer to Indy geometry...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 21, 2022, 03:53:19 PM
I second that AF1's wheelbite pretty bad for me but I'm a heavier skater. Classics with 1/8" risers underneath and up to 54mm wheels is like slim to none wheelbite that no other truck geometry has been able to offer me, a mouthbreathing fatso.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 21, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.

Aftermarket Ace and Indy cups are interchangeable, so it would stand to reason that a regular $1 cup from the shop would get you buy just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: palelight on January 21, 2022, 05:38:13 PM
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Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.
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Aftermarket Ace and Indy cups are interchangeable, so it would stand to reason that a regular $1 cup from the shop would get you buy just fine.

On Classics, but aren't AF1 pivots considerably larger in diameter than a normal cup?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 21, 2022, 06:22:03 PM
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Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.
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Aftermarket Ace and Indy cups are interchangeable, so it would stand to reason that a regular $1 cup from the shop would get you buy just fine.
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On Classics, but aren't AF1 pivots considerably larger in diameter than a normal cup?

Ahhh, I didn't know there was a difference. I have a pair of AF1s on ice at the moment, but I haven't had to mess with them yet. Disregard, then!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Qebrus on January 22, 2022, 09:23:35 AM
New AF1 pivot blown out on second sesh, am I going to excessively damage the pivot by continuing skating them?

(https://ptpimg.me/72f13e.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 22, 2022, 01:28:52 PM
I had the same thing happen to mine after one or two sessions. Skated them until the kingpin nut on the back truck was ground to wedge that couldn’t hold the threads anymore. Never had any issues with them. On classics too I’ve skated with blow out looking cups for a long time and they’ve been fine. At some point it’s best to replace for sure but I wouldn’t say there’s a big rush with it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on January 22, 2022, 03:23:50 PM
So now that the AF-1 and Classics have been out a while, what are the main differences?

This is what I found so far:

Classics: Softer metal, slower grind, less durable, +2.75 WB

AF-1: Harder metal, faster grind, more durable, +2.875 WB

Missing anything?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 22, 2022, 08:57:47 PM
Opposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on January 23, 2022, 09:17:45 AM
Opposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.
You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they. 
Like most trucks of the era, their turn was probably garbage, but all I can remember about them was hanging on for dear life whenever I rode my buddies set up & hit up any ledges. They almost picked up speed while grinding. Was an odd feel, for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 23, 2022, 04:54:52 PM
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Opposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.
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You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they. 
Like most trucks of the era, their turn was probably garbage, but all I can remember about them was hanging on for dear life whenever I rode my buddies set up & hit up any ledges. They almost picked up speed while grinding. Was an odd feel, for sure.

I did not, one time some awkward old dad came over and bought some skate shit from me I had on craigslist and he brought over those G&S trucks and they were painted with some shit that looked like he dipped the trucks in literal tar, it was weird. I tried to see if he'd sell em to me but he wanted to keep em. The only vintage trucks I've skated are stage 7's. I have em in 159's that are barely used, and 136/159 stage 8's all pretty much mint condition. Been hoarding from eBay lately, kinda bored of modern trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2022, 06:11:51 PM
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Opposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.
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You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they. 
Like most trucks of the era, their turn was probably garbage, but all I can remember about them was hanging on for dear life whenever I rode my buddies set up & hit up any ledges. They almost picked up speed while grinding. Was an odd feel, for sure.

I still have a couple sets of G&S.  Fast on concrete, but slower on metal coping.  They are all I rode from 89-93, and then I took 20 years off, so it’s what i started up with again.  After a couple months I started skating modern trucks and was amazed how much faster the grind was on the stuff I skate most often.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sn00p on January 23, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Is there any way to make Ace’s lighter besides going the AF1 Low route?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 23, 2022, 08:03:37 PM
Is there any way to make Ace’s lighter besides going the AF1 Low route?

Put in the Krux hollow kingpin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 23, 2022, 08:07:32 PM
AF1s are heavier than the Classics.

Best way to make either version lighter? Grind 'em. Andt hen  grind 'em some more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 24, 2022, 01:26:08 AM
I always thought Af1s were lighter but whatever. Never actually felt that they were heavier than classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 24, 2022, 06:39:14 AM
Yeah, its really not enough to notice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 24, 2022, 08:34:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/dkDJ5CD/MED-BUSH-BACK-LOW-530px-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dkDJ5CD)
Weird how their stock bushings have a softer barrel on the board side and harder cone on the roadside. Seems like most everyone does the opposite when mixing duros.

This is actually the best way to do it, in my opinion. The deck-side bushing supports most of the turning force (where you want the softness), while the road-side bushing acts to resist that force (and stabilize the turn). So, the more you lean on the soft barrel on the deck-side, the more the hard cone on the road-side resists the wheelbite (and helps the hanger rebound back to center).

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 24, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Between 55mm high Indy 149s and the AF1 55s, which do you reckon is better for running a big set of wheels w/o risers? Big as in 56-58mm and some wheelbite will be inevitable. I remember the classics actually wheelbite less than a similarly-sized, though higher, Indy--is it the same with the AF1s?

I have 56mm Loopholes and G-Slides (both super wide) that I use on AF1 55s. The standard bushings were instant wheelbite, and their bottom bushing is super tall, so I put one of these Bones barrels in the bottom with no washer (I guess they’re for longboard trucks) and used a normal Bones hard bushing in the top. Weird setup, but it feels great on the 5boro shredder, which has a super short 13.75 in. wheelbase, and I get very little wheelbite on 56mm wheels.

https://www.skateone.com/hardcore-bushings-barrel-bushing-93a-set?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiM-0AE2P59VXuo1EsEHXmxreLQ30S4YaAfh4PHFDAX4HXvQ1NibzYYaAimIEALw_wcB (https://www.skateone.com/hardcore-bushings-barrel-bushing-93a-set?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiM-0AE2P59VXuo1EsEHXmxreLQ30S4YaAfh4PHFDAX4HXvQ1NibzYYaAimIEALw_wcB)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on January 26, 2022, 04:57:20 PM
When are 60’s in shops?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smokecrack on January 26, 2022, 11:46:49 PM
Been riding Indys with medium Bones bushings for over 10 years now, but I want to give Ace a shot and switch things up.

For the Ace classics, do you guys recommend the stock bushings or should I keep using Bones? I kind of want to try them out without changing the bushings to see how well they turn + feel.

Thanks to everyone in this thread for all the info/knowledge.

(I mainly skate curbs, ledges, hills, banks. This set-up will be for street skating. Don’t really do parks anymore).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthunderw on January 26, 2022, 11:53:24 PM
Been riding Indys with medium Bones bushings for over 10 years now, but I want to give Ace a shot and switch things up.

For the Ace classics, do you guys recommend the stock bushings or should I keep using Bones? I kind of want to try them out without changing the bushings to see how well they turn + feel.

Thanks to everyone in this thread for all the info/knowledge.

(I mainly skate curbs, ledges, hills, banks. This set-up will be for street skating. Don’t really do parks anymore).
Not trying Ace's stock turn before changing the bushings is like dousing your filet mignon in ketchup before taking a bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 27, 2022, 12:07:42 AM
Been riding Indys with medium Bones bushings for over 10 years now, but I want to give Ace a shot and switch things up.

For the Ace classics, do you guys recommend the stock bushings or should I keep using Bones? I kind of want to try them out without changing the bushings to see how well they turn + feel.

Thanks to everyone in this thread for all the info/knowledge.

(I mainly skate curbs, ledges, hills, banks. This set-up will be for street skating. Don’t really do parks anymore).
stock standard and break them in properly, do not put bones in them!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on January 27, 2022, 04:09:08 AM
One more vote for stock bushings. Might take a few sessions to break in, but after they do, they really are great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 27, 2022, 05:58:39 AM
bones are too short for ACE, you'll need to add washers to avoid messing with the geo. ACEs already have the shortest WB, dont wanna shrink it anymore. Also, going to a cone bottom just makes them even more squirrely IMO. They need that cylinder bottom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 27, 2022, 07:35:26 AM
What others already said, Ace are best as they're. Don't tune them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on January 27, 2022, 04:39:28 PM
Gotta let an Ace be an Ace, homey.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on January 28, 2022, 02:16:51 PM
just setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 28, 2022, 02:36:37 PM
That's that Ace quality control right there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on January 28, 2022, 02:44:09 PM
One more vote for stock bushings. Might take a few sessions to break in, but after they do, they really are great
TRUE
I came from riding Thunders for over a decade on hard bushings and was pleasantly surprised I didn’t need to do anything to my Aces to make them feel good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on January 28, 2022, 02:50:20 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/pf1hT1d/DEFDCCA1-67-BC-4699-846-C-D45-CEE3703-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pf1hT1d)
Stock bushings for sure.
 2.25” inverted kingpin from the hardware store lets you get extra loose without shakiness or  worrying about thread count. Have to drill out some wood to get the truck flush so the end of the bolt doesn’t touch. $1.40 at the hardware store, don’t need to carry an allen key like the Krux kit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2022, 03:18:18 PM
just setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.


Not sure if there is an issue or not with those specific trucks as other sets I have had worked with a normal skate tool.


In saying that I found it was good to have a combo / ring spanner 9/16 size around which did fit better on some Thunder and Venture trucks over the years.

Ebay had them really cheap so I bought half a dozen to have in the shop (as they often go missing) but also for friends who I knew had trucks that had issues like that.


(https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/assets/thumbL/A0124087.jpg)


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 29, 2022, 12:13:20 PM

I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.

(https://i.ibb.co/C9hMRQJ/61-LDIULR9c-L-AC-SL1001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C9hMRQJ)
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just setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.
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Not sure if there is an issue or not with those specific trucks as other sets I have had worked with a normal skate tool.


In saying that I found it was good to have a combo / ring spanner 9/16 size around which did fit better on some Thunder and Venture trucks over the years.

Ebay had them really cheap so I bought half a dozen to have in the shop (as they often go missing) but also for friends who I knew had trucks that had issues like that.


(https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/assets/thumbL/A0124087.jpg)



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: biaherl on January 29, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
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just setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.
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Not sure if there is an issue or not with those specific trucks as other sets I have had worked with a normal skate tool.


In saying that I found it was good to have a combo / ring spanner 9/16 size around which did fit better on some Thunder and Venture trucks over the years.

Ebay had them really cheap so I bought half a dozen to have in the shop (as they often go missing) but also for friends who I knew had trucks that had issues like that.


(https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/assets/thumbL/A0124087.jpg)



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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.

This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)

Mine is not as scary looking
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 29, 2022, 04:58:32 PM
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.
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This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)

Mine is not as scary looking


I liked the marketing on those tools.

Fits in a wallet (or pocket) and covers kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts as well as a bottle opener.

Always a bottle opener, even though I don't think I have ever used it for that, I know a lot of other people have.


* Oh and grip blade on the lower side too?  The other ones had a file part I think.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goathead on January 30, 2022, 06:48:15 AM
Three sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.

Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 30, 2022, 07:42:56 AM
The trucks clicking will usually go away as the trucks break in. Give 'em a good thrashing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on January 30, 2022, 08:01:23 AM
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.
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This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)

Mine is not as scary looking
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I liked the marketing on those tools.

Fits in a wallet (or pocket) and covers kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts as well as a bottle opener.

Always a bottle opener, even though I don't think I have ever used it for that, I know a lot of other people have.


* Oh and grip blade on the lower side too?  The other ones had a file part I think.

hah I had the theeve one and that was about all I used it for

I forget which side it was but the tool use to cut my hand when I would tighten something
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 30, 2022, 08:47:02 AM
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.
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This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)

Mine is not as scary looking
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I liked the marketing on those tools.

Fits in a wallet (or pocket) and covers kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts as well as a bottle opener.

Always a bottle opener, even though I don't think I have ever used it for that, I know a lot of other people have.


* Oh and grip blade on the lower side too?  The other ones had a file part I think.
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hah I had the theeve one and that was about all I used it for

I forget which side it was but the tool use to cut my hand when I would tighten something

I have the Theeve one too!
Bought off a sale and decided it was a great idea to set up a whole board with them. I’m an idiot and learned quickly that it’s better for just adjusting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 30, 2022, 04:50:52 PM
Three sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.

Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?


It is almost always the bottom bushing washer moving, side to side as the trucks turn and puts more pressure on one side or the other, but can also happen on the top bushing washer too.

If nothing else, a little tape round the base of the kingpin has been known to work, but I think the more common thing I used was some blu tack / other sticky substance under the bottom washer and the baseplate, which seemed to work well.

As has been said, the clicking usually goes away within a few sessions, but it also depends on how tight or loose you have your trucks, which will generate movement too.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Space Cowboy on January 31, 2022, 11:40:11 AM
So now that the AF-1 and Classics have been out a while, what are the main differences?

This is what I found so far:

Classics: Softer metal, slower grind, less durable, +2.75 WB

AF-1: Harder metal, faster grind, more durable, +2.875 WB

Missing anything?

Definitely a way smoother grind on the AF1's, felt like heaven on handrails and made ledge/hubba front smiths much more buttery in my experience.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: europa1991 on January 31, 2022, 04:15:34 PM
Am I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: zozu on January 31, 2022, 11:43:36 PM
Am I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?

I cant be the only one who noticed a lot of ace pros have a strange hunchback stance on the board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on February 01, 2022, 12:13:37 AM
^Very noticeable in Its Our Turn or whatever that was called. Deedz skates facing completely forward. Leo Baker's back leg looked so fucked


Does anybody run their Aces a little tight? I ran my 55s factory looseness for a month or so and then cranked them just to see, and I can still turn deep as shit but they stay in center really easy. I 3 shoved my Dane 1 the other day!!! I am like 225-230lbs right now so maybe I'm just lucky
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on February 01, 2022, 01:28:30 AM
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Three sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.

Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?
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It is almost always the bottom bushing washer moving, side to side as the trucks turn and puts more pressure on one side or the other, but can also happen on the top bushing washer too.

If nothing else, a little tape round the base of the kingpin has been known to work, but I think the more common thing I used was some blu tack / other sticky substance under the bottom washer and the baseplate, which seemed to work well.

As has been said, the clicking usually goes away within a few sessions, but it also depends on how tight or loose you have your trucks, which will generate movement too.

My trucks clicked couple times when they were new but broken in, never had that clicking return after that and it's been well over six months.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 01, 2022, 05:23:13 AM
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Three sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.

Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?
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It is almost always the bottom bushing washer moving, side to side as the trucks turn and puts more pressure on one side or the other, but can also happen on the top bushing washer too.

If nothing else, a little tape round the base of the kingpin has been known to work, but I think the more common thing I used was some blu tack / other sticky substance under the bottom washer and the baseplate, which seemed to work well.

As has been said, the clicking usually goes away within a few sessions, but it also depends on how tight or loose you have your trucks, which will generate movement too.
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My trucks clicked couple times when they were new but broken in, never had that clicking return after that and it's been well over six months.



Same for mine, which are still fairly loose overall.


I do recall others having more issues with tighter trucks though, so not sure if that is a thing.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on February 06, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
Has anyone tried the ace 00(bonus points compared to indy 109)? im trying to make a ridiculously surfy cruiser, and probably going to throw them on a 12" wheelbase deck or something
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 07, 2022, 04:20:00 AM
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Am I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?
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I cant be the only one who noticed a lot of ace pros have a strange hunchback stance on the board

I've mentioned it before, somewhere in this thread. I get serious pains/cramps in my groin when I skate aces on anything under 14.5. I've got pretty long legs, I assume that's why. I point out the ace stance to people and they don't believe me. Glad I'm not alone.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on February 07, 2022, 12:40:45 PM
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Am I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?
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I cant be the only one who noticed a lot of ace pros have a strange hunchback stance on the board
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I've mentioned it before, somewhere in this thread. I get serious pains/cramps in my groin when I skate aces on anything under 14.5. I've got pretty long legs, I assume that's why. I point out the ace stance to people and they don't believe me. Glad I'm not alone.
Whoa. I’ve definitely been having more hip pains recently, but just equated it to age.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lukepat on February 08, 2022, 07:22:03 AM
Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BoxStuffer on February 08, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on February 08, 2022, 08:24:04 AM
if some of you guys actually think that back/hip pain is attributed to Ace Trucks, you should probably buy some different trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 08, 2022, 08:54:04 AM
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Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/

So hollow kingpin only?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
I rotate between Ace, Thunder, and Indy regularly.
I experience back/hip pain with all three.
I don’t know y’all but, personally, I attribute it to being an old more than any equipment I’m riding.
But hey… Tha’s jus’ me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on February 08, 2022, 09:13:17 AM
I rotate between Ace, Thunder, and Indy regularly.
I experience back/hip pain with all three.
I don’t know y’all but, personally, I attribute it to being an old more than any equipment I’m riding.
But hey… Tha’s jus’ me.
Haha. Me too. But hearing that after my hips have been noticeably more sore after sessions was interesting. But, I'm also older every time I go skate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 08, 2022, 09:15:16 AM
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I rotate between Ace, Thunder, and Indy regularly.
I experience back/hip pain with all three.
I don’t know y’all but, personally, I attribute it to being an old more than any equipment I’m riding.
But hey… Tha’s jus’ me.
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Haha. Me too. But hearing that after my hips have been noticeably more sore after sessions was interesting. But, I'm also older every time I go skate.
Your username checks out, BTW.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on February 10, 2022, 10:08:58 AM
What bushing would work in ace trucks when somebody wants to ride pretty tight trucks ?

I saw there’s hard ace bushings, but can’t find them in Europe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on February 10, 2022, 10:27:27 AM
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Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/
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So hollow kingpin only?

instatizio_ltp
@acetrucks but are we talking about kingpin hollows or "everything" hollows? &#129300; 55 af1 hollows would be the ultimate truck

acetrucks
@instatizio_ltp We talkin bout everything.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 10, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
But, I'm also older every time I go skate.

Truth.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on February 10, 2022, 05:13:46 PM
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Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/
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So hollow kingpin only?
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instatizio_ltp
@acetrucks but are we talking about kingpin hollows or "everything" hollows? &#38;#129300; 55 af1 hollows would be the ultimate truck

acetrucks
@instatizio_ltp We talkin bout everything.


Guess I will wait to get aces til they are out. Hopefully soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on February 12, 2022, 08:57:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0rYLwD1/Screenshot-152.png) (https://ibb.co/0rYLwD1)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 13, 2022, 09:48:05 AM
Are there any problems with putting classic hangers into af1 baseplates or the other way around?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on February 16, 2022, 05:13:09 AM
Ace low wheelbase? Anybody knows?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on February 16, 2022, 05:36:35 AM
if some of you guys actually think that back/hip pain is attributed to Ace Trucks, you should probably buy some different trucks.

I don't think trucks actually have anything to do with back pain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on February 16, 2022, 08:43:30 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/0rYLwD1/Screenshot-152.png) (https://ibb.co/0rYLwD1)

I really really want these
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 16, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
Are there any problems with putting classic hangers into af1 baseplates or the other way around?

Ace classics and AF1's are not compatable swapping hangers and baseplates in either order.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 17, 2022, 10:27:57 AM
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Ace classics and AF1's are not compatable swapping hangers and baseplates in either order.

Finally got my classics and it seems like they're interchangeable with af1. The classic hanger fits pretty tight into the af1 baseplate, the af1 hanger fits nicely into the classic baseplate. Might wiggle a bit once the pivot cup gets broken in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 17, 2022, 10:33:10 AM
The classic hanger's pivot point is thicker than AF1's, you will eventually get baseplate warp in the pivot cavity. Same result with an AF1 hanger in a classic baseplate, the extra wiggle room will warp and break the pivot cavity since it's more brittle than the "molecular strength" of the AF1 baseplate. Their geometries are also not the same even though Ace claims it to be, and you'll notice the kingpin clearance is worse when you mix.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 17, 2022, 12:03:00 PM
The classic hanger's pivot point is thicker than AF1's, you will eventually get baseplate warp in the pivot cavity. Same result with an AF1 hanger in a classic baseplate, the extra wiggle room will warp and break the pivot cavity since it's more brittle than the "molecular strength" of the AF1 baseplate. Their geometries are also not the same even though Ace claims it to be, and you'll notice the kingpin clearance is worse when you mix.

That sucks, thanks for the information though.

Btw what's up with ace sizes. My af1 44s that should be 143mm are only 139 and the 55 classics that should be 162 mm are only 159. They're consistently smaller than advertised.

I guess the 55s are the 8.75 trucks everyone is asking for
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 17, 2022, 12:05:11 PM
are you measuring the cones on the hanger also? that adds a few mms in width.
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Post by: goodatmeth on February 17, 2022, 12:13:40 PM
are you measuring the cones on the hanger also? that adds a few mms in width.

Yes, they also differ in size and are not even straight. 1mm wider on one side of the truck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on February 17, 2022, 12:26:32 PM
Hard to tell if the pivot cups you see online are for Classic or AF1. Haven’t found either in any shops around
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 17, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
Hard to tell if the pivot cups you see online are for Classic or AF1. Haven’t found either in any shops around

A bunch of sites just show them out of the bag and it isn't helpful, but the AF1 pivots are branded as such and have different packaging. The classics aren't as thick and taper to a smaller point.

Classic:
(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ace-pivot-cups-pair.jpg)

AF1:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AAPPC1-A_AF1_1024x1024.jpg?v=1628636623)

Classic (out of bag):
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0127/1812/products/Ace_Pivot_Cups_530x_ea157008-f78e-4d48-be64-396100df08fb_600x.jpg?v=1611162166)

AF1 (out of bag):
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AAPPC1-B_AF1_530x.jpg?v=1628636623)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 17, 2022, 01:06:59 PM
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Yes, they also differ in size and are not even straight. 1mm wider on one side of the truck

Yep, this is Ace's notorious quality control and regular measurements. The only thing going for them now is the AF1's seem to have no issues after they solved the pivot cup/cavity thing people were experiencing that caused the cups to rip. No bent or slipped axles reported yet, no loose kingpins, unless I missed it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: The_9 on February 21, 2022, 01:20:09 PM
Got a set of AF1 55’s today. Any set up tips?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 21, 2022, 01:38:11 PM
Did anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 21, 2022, 03:53:20 PM
Got a set of AF1 55’s today. Any set up tips?

Four wheels and a deck, 8 nuts and bolts but 6 will do. Engage Nylock and get grinding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on February 21, 2022, 03:57:39 PM
Re drill your holes…1/16th of an inch….so the pop is…..perfect….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 22, 2022, 09:46:48 AM
Did anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60JlZmu7Ik
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2022, 09:56:17 AM
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Did anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60JlZmu7Ik


Intriguing.
I spent a very limited amount of time on my af1 44s: I just liked the classics more, decided that I liked a smaller setup/trucks (should have gotten 33s), and decided to just stick with Ventures. All of that aside, a firmer bushing/pivot cup would definitely work better for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 08, 2022, 08:32:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8hquKdb.png) "Satin Lime."

Looks like the 60s have hit Aus. Not sure I'd ride coloured trucks again but these do remind me of the anodized Stage Vs I used to love. Either way, the 8.75" axle is what I am after. Probably a few of them sitting on a cargo ship outside of Long Beach until Jah lets them dock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 08, 2022, 08:42:10 AM
Do AF1s have axle bending problems? Or are they improved that from classics?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 08, 2022, 08:44:02 AM
Seems like less people have had issues with axle bending on the Af1s. (I have taken three sets of Classic 44s and two sets of 55s almost to axle and never bent the axle.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 08, 2022, 09:34:15 AM
Do AF1s have axle bending problems? Or are they improved that from classics?

Having held my own bent Classics alongside my warranty replacement AF1s, I’d say that they visibly increased the size of the truss which would lead me to believe that the problem is mostly solved.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 08, 2022, 10:52:36 AM
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Having held my own bent Classics alongside my warranty replacement AF1s, I’d say that they visibly increased the size of the truss which would lead me to believe that the problem is mostly solved.


Seems that way.
I have zero pop with the af1s. It’s a me issue. The classics popped a lot better for me tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8hquKdb.png) "Satin Lime."

Looks like the 60s have hit Aus. Not sure I'd ride coloured trucks again but these do remind me of the anodized Stage Vs I used to love. Either way, the 8.75" axle is what I am after. Probably a few of them sitting on a cargo ship outside of Long Beach until Jah lets them dock.

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Did anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?
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Intriguing.
I spent a very limited amount of time on my af1 44s: I just liked the classics more, decided that I liked a smaller setup/trucks (should have gotten 33s), and decided to just stick with Ventures. All of that aside, a firmer bushing/pivot cup would definitely work better for me.


ACE throws out some random ass colorways.

I can only imagine broken in ACE hard bushings are the jam. Similar to how broken in hard bones end up as forever mediums (until they blow out).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 08, 2022, 11:36:57 AM
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Having held my own bent Classics alongside my warranty replacement AF1s, I’d say that they visibly increased the size of the truss which would lead me to believe that the problem is mostly solved.
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Seems that way.
I have zero pop with the af1s. It’s a me issue. The classics popped a lot better for me tho.

I still haven’t skated my AF1s, but I also loved the pop on my Classics. My hope is that the AF1 increase the strength while keeping the geometry similar enough to what I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 08, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
Anyone remember the older stage Ace's when they beefed up the hanger for the first time? Back before they were "classics", and they had off white/yellowy stock bushings that were pretty hard? I wish they brought that formula back, you could just take off the top washer and they were the perfect bushings that lasted forever. New ones are great and all with the rebound but I imagine even the new "hards" probably are still soft for heavier dudes like me. The ones that come stock on Ace's now are pretty dang soft.

Also yeah, I haven't seen one report on here or in the Ace IG comment section of an AF1 axle bending so it seems like they def solved it with those.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on March 08, 2022, 03:13:59 PM
Would steep decks like hockey/fa be a good choice for low ace trucks in your opinion?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dirtjers on March 12, 2022, 12:18:15 PM
Recently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!

I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?

I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 12, 2022, 04:19:26 PM
Ace low wheelbase? Anybody knows?

+3 in. (a little over 75mm), measured on a set of 03s mounted to a black Classic Eagle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on March 12, 2022, 05:14:31 PM
Recently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!

I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?

I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.

My best Ace setups have been on 14.5 WB on moderate to steep concave. Carpet decks, Heroin. Super quick response and quick pop.
I had a Scumco PS stix setup with a 14.75 WB that felt good too. It felt better in ramp/ bowl situations. Not quick feeling but surfy.
I’m sure this hasn’t helped at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2022, 05:30:42 PM
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Recently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!

I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?

I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.
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My best Ace setups have been on 14.5 WB on moderate to steep concave. Carpet decks, Heroin. Super quick response and quick pop.
I had a Scumco PS stix setup with a 14.75 WB that felt good too. It felt better in ramp/ bowl situations. Not quick feeling but surfy.
I’m sure this hasn’t helped at all.

Santa Cruz / Creature 8.375x32 with "medium concave" (which feels on the steeper side)  and a 14.5 wheelbase with 6.514" tail.  It has a nice full nose.  Good luck finding a decent graphic - but it is a great shape with Ace.

https://www.tactics.com/creature/santa-cruz/skateboard-decks/ra-17433/rs-8.375
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on March 12, 2022, 07:00:52 PM
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Recently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!

I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?

I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.
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My best Ace setups have been on 14.5 WB on moderate to steep concave. Carpet decks, Heroin. Super quick response and quick pop.
I had a Scumco PS stix setup with a 14.75 WB that felt good too. It felt better in ramp/ bowl situations. Not quick feeling but surfy.
I’m sure this hasn’t helped at all.
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Santa Cruz / Creature 8.375x32 with "medium concave" (which feels on the steeper side)  and a 14.5 wheelbase with 6.514" tail.  It has a nice full nose.  Good luck finding a decent graphic - but it is a great shape with Ace.

https://www.tactics.com/creature/santa-cruz/skateboard-decks/ra-17433/rs-8.375


The best NHS shape. Doesn’t have the super tapered nose either…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on March 12, 2022, 07:33:33 PM
I love Aces on a standard South Central 8.5 (DOA, Politic, etc.)  I've run classic 44s and 55s on those decks over the past few years.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 12, 2022, 08:33:53 PM
I love Aces on a standard South Central 8.5 (DOA, Politic, etc.)  I've run classic 44s and 55s on those decks over the past few years.

Same, Aces are great on SC and also the steep Oennswood concave. Had a nice steep Real deck that felt good on Aces too. I always found the pop kind of anemic on Aces when the deck is more mellow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: braksabbath on March 13, 2022, 12:45:19 PM
You could try cutting down the cone bushing to get looser without the nut falling off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on March 13, 2022, 12:58:44 PM
You could try cutting down the cone bushing to get looser without the nut falling off

May have to give that a try as i do find the af1 bushings way longer than a thunder or indy where i could get rattling in the way that i like much easier without the kingpin nut falling off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on March 13, 2022, 03:57:37 PM
I’m about to bite the bullet and buy a set of classic 44s due to me not being able to get my af1s loose enough to my liking (i like my trucks with a unstable centre point, or a bit of shake), I’ve tried different pivot cups, taking in and out washers and different bushings and when i do loosen them enough i get way too much wheelbite (even with risers). I’ve looked through here and come to the conclusion that classics would be more suited to me due to them having more of an ‘acey’ feeling, not as stable + having less wheelbite due to a different geometry, would this be correct? As im going through bad board madness right now and would need guidance hahah.

The difference between classics and AF1 turn isn’t that drastic. Maybe try the super soft white Independent bushings? Have you tried shaving down your top bushing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on March 13, 2022, 04:42:13 PM
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I’m about to bite the bullet and buy a set of classic 44s due to me not being able to get my af1s loose enough to my liking (i like my trucks with a unstable centre point, or a bit of shake), I’ve tried different pivot cups, taking in and out washers and different bushings and when i do loosen them enough i get way too much wheelbite (even with risers). I’ve looked through here and come to the conclusion that classics would be more suited to me due to them having more of an ‘acey’ feeling, not as stable + having less wheelbite due to a different geometry, would this be correct? As im going through bad board madness right now and would need guidance hahah.
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The difference between classics and AF1 turn isn’t that drastic. Maybe try the super soft white Independent bushings? Have you tried shaving down your top bushing?

I’ve tried the regular indy bushings not the softs though, I’ll probably try shaving my bushings next, Im going down in board size so im not too bummed to try classics anyway, the biggest gripe i have with the af1s is wheelbite and I’ve heard the classics are a bit better for it, hopefully anyways.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sn00p on March 13, 2022, 06:09:03 PM
when are those hollow joints supposed to drop again?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on March 13, 2022, 08:13:15 PM
when are those hollow joints supposed to drop again?
dont think they have mentioned a date. i dmed them like a man and will edit this post if they reply
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rocklobster on March 13, 2022, 08:44:49 PM
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.

Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 14, 2022, 03:10:48 AM
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.

Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.

I got the 02 and its a nice low truck I skated them on a 7.875
And briefly on the heroin lil egg 7.9

the stock bushings are soft for a truck that low

The classic lows 02, 03 are 48mm high

The new ones AF1 low are 49mm high

The thing I've noticed with Ace classics is they feel off (to me anyway)
If a deck has too many fingers of flat on the kicks

Just my inexperienced observation ive only been messing with aces on and for a few months


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 14, 2022, 03:22:20 AM
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.

Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.
Been rocking my 03’s on 8-8.12” boards, anything wider is too magic carpet for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 14, 2022, 07:08:12 AM
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dont think they have mentioned a date. i dmed them like a man and will edit this post if they reply


They were released late Feb in Australia and OCD shop has all of them in stock, but that is only the low version with the hollow kingpins so far.

I think delays in customs and other issues might be causing problems in USA and other places though.


https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/ace-trucks



As much as they don't say "hollow kingpins" anywhere I can see, the low versions all have hollow kingpins in them.


Ace Low thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=119999.0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 11:30:28 AM
Forgive me, but I thought Ace were made in the USA so why would customs be an issue for the U.S.?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 14, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Ace is made in China
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 14, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
Ace is made in China
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 14, 2022, 04:00:22 PM
Forgive me, but I thought Ace were made in the USA so why would customs be an issue for the U.S.?


Maybe once upon a time there were the majority of truck brands being made in USA (as per many old sets of lots of brands all with USA under the baseplate), but of the more well known brands, maybe only Venture and Thunder are still poured at Ermico in SF and all other components manufactured / coming from elsewhere including axles, washers, some even saying baseplates, but I don't know how true that is.

With many of the newer brands, maybe from around 2000 on, their starting production was all in China right from go and I don't recall them ever being made in USA.


Happy to be told otherwise though, as it is often a bit of a secret it seems, but some people know all the details.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 14, 2022, 05:49:41 PM
AFAIK Ace have always been made in China
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: HyperBeam on March 14, 2022, 06:33:36 PM
Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on March 14, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.

what was your previous set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: HyperBeam on March 14, 2022, 08:49:50 PM
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Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.
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what was your previous set?

i've been skating thunder 149 for most of the last decade, but have been skating mostly indy 149 in the last 2-3 years. this is the first pair of ace since my first and only set that i skated around 08-09
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 14, 2022, 09:42:55 PM
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Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.
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what was your previous set?
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i've been skating thunder 149 for most of the last decade, but have been skating mostly indy 149 in the last 2-3 years. this is the first pair of ace since my first and only set that i skated around 08-09

Love that ace turn, and being able to run big ass wheels with little to no wheelbite, so I can’t totally banish the ace, but…I cannot pop for shit on most setups with ace.
Right now I’m on thunder 149s, and really appreciate the pop and consistency. I skate flatground mostly. If I was on round walls it’d be right back to the ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 15, 2022, 11:36:13 AM
Breaking news: My ace classics hangers fit on the the inverted royal baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 15, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
Game is shook
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 15, 2022, 12:47:33 PM
Not much  we didn't already know but cool little interview with Joey T about Ace.

https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/ (https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ziaon on March 15, 2022, 12:49:35 PM
I enjoy my Ace 44's.  Have them on a Welcome worm deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mantracker on March 15, 2022, 01:43:17 PM
Not much  we didn't already know but cool little interview with Joey T about Ace.

https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/ (https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/)

I dont like how he said that the classics are the exact same as AF1, just higher quality.

There's pretty obvious size differences between 44 and 44AF1 (and every other model) and I wish he touched on that or explained why they chose to re-size
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on March 15, 2022, 03:04:30 PM
Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s

Wait is that what Film is doing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 15, 2022, 03:10:28 PM
Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s

My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 15, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
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Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s
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My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?

Ordering some shaped decks from PS or BBS is a far cry from retooling a factory half the world away to make a limited run of skateboard trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 15, 2022, 03:48:45 PM
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Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s
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My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?
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Ordering some shaped decks from PS or BBS is a far cry from retooling a factory half the world away to make a limited run of skateboard trucks.

Sure. I am certain that you are correct, the logistics would be shit. But goddamn the dream…adding to the difficult details, I remember hearing some 5th hand account of indy leaving ermico and some talk of the molds…say they might not even have them. But stage 7s with modern manufacturing!? Fuck. The older truck sounded better too, but that’s most likely some fried shit that isn’t real
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 15, 2022, 05:05:02 PM
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Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s
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My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?
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Ordering some shaped decks from PS or BBS is a far cry from retooling a factory half the world away to make a limited run of skateboard trucks.
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Sure. I am certain that you are correct, the logistics would be shit. But goddamn the dream…adding to the difficult details, I remember hearing some 5th hand account of indy leaving ermico and some talk of the molds…say they might not even have them. But stage 7s with modern manufacturing!? Fuck. The older truck sounded better too, but that’s most likely some fried shit that isn’t real

I was mostly being facetious, snakey, engaging in a bit of whimsey. But yeah, to OKs point about modern QC, trucks have come a long way and it would be cool to see some older designs with axles that don't slip and whatnot. Realize that won't happen, but it is fun to talk about it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 05:44:29 PM
I rode Stage 7’s and I think Ben Degros reviewed them but they were not great compared to Stage 11. The kingpin clearance sucks in comparison, they’re a brick, and the turn wasn’t remotely as good as it is now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: HyperBeam on March 15, 2022, 06:29:02 PM
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Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.
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what was your previous set?
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i've been skating thunder 149 for most of the last decade, but have been skating mostly indy 149 in the last 2-3 years. this is the first pair of ace since my first and only set that i skated around 08-09
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Love that ace turn, and being able to run big ass wheels with little to no wheelbite, so I can’t totally banish the ace, but…I cannot pop for shit on most setups with ace.
Right now I’m on thunder 149s, and really appreciate the pop and consistency. I skate flatground mostly. If I was on round walls it’d be right back to the ace.

i feel you bro
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fooj on March 16, 2022, 11:46:38 AM
Just picked up a pair of 66 classics for no reason at all. Anyone have any recommendations of which decks/wheels youve liked on them?

Was thinking about the 9.5 symm egg but don’t know if the long kicks would make the pop too soft
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 16, 2022, 05:31:12 PM
Lows should be coming out "soon". I saw a leaked spring summer catalog with the ace low fully featured. I know shops in asia and Aus have started receiving them as well. So really just a matter of time. Talked to my shop today and they said "soon". I would guess in a few months.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2022, 05:33:48 PM
Anyone want to share the new Ace Catalog via DM?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on March 16, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
What are experiences with Classic hangers in AF1 baseplates? I don’t like my AF1s but I do have a spare set of classic 55 hangers I wouldn’t mind putting on a pool board.

Sorry I know this has definitely been answered before, I couldn’t find anything via search but I know it’s definitely here. I know one combination worked better than the other but struggling to remember.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on March 16, 2022, 11:24:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZmn2E-J9qM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Not sure if there's been any pics of the 60s uploaded yet but Curren Caples has been skating them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 16, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
 https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 17, 2022, 12:37:46 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)

Can’t wait to get the 60s! Being in Finland where Hoep is the distributor means it’s gonna happen real soon!

Then I’m gonna have the dilemma of which trucks to skate:
44 classics
55 classics
66 classics
55 AF1
60 AF1
66 AF1

 ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 17, 2022, 12:56:30 AM
Where is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing...  :'(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 17, 2022, 01:42:26 AM
What are experiences with Classic hangers in AF1 baseplates? I don’t like my AF1s but I do have a spare set of classic 55 hangers I wouldn’t mind putting on a pool board.

Sorry I know this has definitely been answered before, I couldn’t find anything via search but I know it’s definitely here. I know one combination worked better than the other but struggling to remember.

It was me

I bought a set of af1 in a size I thought I was gonna rock and they’re just too heavy and since af1 are a liver and an arm I just plugged my classic 44 hangar on the af1 baseplates and it just felt like a more solid stable classic, slightly heavier but a classic that’s more solid and slightly more stable

I think the af1 just have a better solid turn but man they heavy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on March 17, 2022, 04:23:40 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)

what are some of the advantages of low trucks? i feel like there’s no pop and hella wheelbite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on March 17, 2022, 05:06:11 AM
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What are experiences with Classic hangers in AF1 baseplates? I don’t like my AF1s but I do have a spare set of classic 55 hangers I wouldn’t mind putting on a pool board.

Sorry I know this has definitely been answered before, I couldn’t find anything via search but I know it’s definitely here. I know one combination worked better than the other but struggling to remember.
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It was me

I bought a set of af1 in a size I thought I was gonna rock and they’re just too heavy and since af1 are a liver and an arm I just plugged my classic 44 hangar on the af1 baseplates and it just felt like a more solid stable classic, slightly heavier but a classic that’s more solid and slightly more stable

I think the af1 just have a better solid turn but man they heavy

Thanks for that! Will give it a go once I can get some riptide pivots.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on March 17, 2022, 06:00:10 AM
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Can’t wait to get the 60s! Being in Finland where Hoep is the distributor means it’s gonna happen real soon!

Then I’m gonna have the dilemma of which trucks to skate:
44 classics
55 classics
66 classics
55 AF1
60 AF1
66 AF1

 ;D


Go ahead https://myfavoritethings.fi/collections/new-arrivals/products/ace-trucks-af1-polished-60
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 17, 2022, 06:02:32 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZmn2E-J9qM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Not sure if there's been any pics of the 60s uploaded yet but Curren Caples has been skating them

Caples on skate mental feels so wrong to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 17, 2022, 06:14:34 AM
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Can’t wait to get the 60s! Being in Finland where Hoep is the distributor means it’s gonna happen real soon!

Then I’m gonna have the dilemma of which trucks to skate:
44 classics
55 classics
66 classics
55 AF1
60 AF1
66 AF1

 ;D

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Go ahead https://myfavoritethings.fi/collections/new-arrivals/products/ace-trucks-af1-polished-60

Damn. Thanks. I’d go pick up a set today if I didn’t have the corona right now. Maybe they still have some left next week.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on March 17, 2022, 06:31:44 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)

Polished Classics no longer listed as available in 33 and 44, but those sizes are listed for the other colors.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 17, 2022, 06:35:12 AM
Where is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing...  :'(

Same. I don’t care at all about a low truck - give me a standard AF1 44 with a hollow kingpin and axle already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 17, 2022, 07:51:39 AM
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.

Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.

I have 03s on a black Classic Eagle (8.125?) with 53mm wheels. As far as low trucks go, I guess they’re more like Thunders than Ventures. Quicker, snappier, looser (I had to find different bushings to get them feeling medium). Despite that, the pop feels surprisingly stable to me, at least on this deck. Maybe it’s the steeper shape. I rode them on a really mellow Enjoi Panda previously and did not have a good time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 17, 2022, 09:22:12 AM
Where is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing...  :'(

i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.

i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 17, 2022, 02:57:45 PM
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i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.

i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.

Idk man, ace is pretty good at making shit no one asked for and not giving us what everyone wanted…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 17, 2022, 03:11:40 PM
My new 55 classics are already bending. How bent is "bent enough" to contact ace and get new ones? What's their policy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 17, 2022, 04:37:21 PM
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i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.

i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.
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Idk man, ace is pretty good at making shit no one asked for and not giving us what everyone wanted…

I think people need to temper their expectations of Ace so they stop getting so disappointed. There is a cult like following for Ace and just trucks in general on here. There is also a lot of armchair skate truck business talk on here for people just being regular skaters. There is an inflated sense of self-importance on here as well, and when people's expectations aren't met they get pissed. Ace doesn't have to listen to anyone on here. Joey has been in the biz for decades, and i'll trust his discretion over anyone on this forum. this stuff doesn't happen over night. It takes research and testing that can take years. For the longest time Ace only had the Classics, now that that's changing that somehow isn't good enough? Everyone here is probably still gonna be skating aces anyway, so let's just be happy we're getting new shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 17, 2022, 05:50:47 PM
Have they said if they’re doing a 60 for the AF-1 High, or are they only offering the Low in that size?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 17, 2022, 06:13:13 PM
60 is low and regular Af1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 17, 2022, 07:26:13 PM
Anyone ever changed the pivot cups in the Ace low mag plates? (Classics 03 etc)?

@Xen maybe you??

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 17, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
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i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.

i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.
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Idk man, ace is pretty good at making shit no one asked for and not giving us what everyone wanted…
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I think people need to temper their expectations of Ace so they stop getting so disappointed. There is a cult like following for Ace and just trucks in general on here. There is also a lot of armchair skate truck business talk on here for people just being regular skaters. There is an inflated sense of self-importance on here as well, and when people's expectations aren't met they get pissed. Ace doesn't have to listen to anyone on here. Joey has been in the biz for decades, and i'll trust his discretion over anyone on this forum. this stuff doesn't happen over night. It takes research and testing that can take years. For the longest time Ace only had the Classics, now that that's changing that somehow isn't good enough? Everyone here is probably still gonna be skating aces anyway, so let's just be happy we're getting new shit.

Too well written to be Joey T…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on March 17, 2022, 08:45:15 PM
riptide af1 pivots should be available very soon
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 07:28:46 AM
My new 55 classics are already bending. How bent is "bent enough" to contact ace and get new ones? What's their policy?


Take some pics and send them a polite question about it and see what happens.

You might get some new trucks.

Who knows...

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fooj on March 18, 2022, 08:28:28 AM
Anyone have any experience on the Classic Lows?
The SW sale price is tempting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: blueskynoise on March 18, 2022, 09:06:47 AM
Ordered a set of pivot cups and hard bushings for my AF1 44s and they feel great. Using the new hard barrel bushings with my older top bushings. I’ll post a pic later
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 18, 2022, 10:03:41 AM
My new 55 classics are already bending. How bent is "bent enough" to contact ace and get new ones? What's their policy?

Any amount of bent is covered by their warranty. I'd email them with some photos and ask for an upgrade to AF1. Worked for me.

(https://i.ibb.co/jML08Lw/Screen-Shot-2022-03-18-at-10-04-09-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/jML08Lw)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 18, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
Anyone ever changed the pivot cups in the Ace low mag plates? (Classics 03 etc)?

@Xen maybe you??

@Nth syd bear

Nope, that was before my OCD tinker-time ;)

Only change I did was swap in some Bones hards.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 18, 2022, 12:11:08 PM
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Anyone ever changed the pivot cups in the Ace low mag plates? (Classics 03 etc)?

@Xen maybe you??
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@Nth syd bear

Nope, that was before my OCD tinker-time ;)

Only change I did was swap in some Bones hards.

I can tell why you used hards with them
thx anyway mate


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on March 19, 2022, 01:26:01 AM
Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 19, 2022, 02:28:11 AM
I was on Thunders cast for like ten years. Now currently riding Af1s and honestly, i like them. I don't really notice the weight because aces have so light feeling pop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 19, 2022, 04:29:08 AM
Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on March 19, 2022, 04:35:55 AM
Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.

Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 19, 2022, 05:17:49 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.

I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 19, 2022, 06:04:18 AM
If you mainly flip your board i would go Thunders.
For me Aces need to be paired with steep deck and bigger wheel for flip tricks to feel nice. Aces do grind better than Thunders though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 19, 2022, 08:47:11 AM
Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.

Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…

Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.

Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.

Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.

Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle  “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
 
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.

Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.

If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.

All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.

Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on March 19, 2022, 03:37:46 PM
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Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
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Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…

Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.

Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.

Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.

Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle  “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
 
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.

Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.

If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.

All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.

Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.

Ventures turn the same as Indy's imo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 19, 2022, 04:15:53 PM
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Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
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Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…

Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.

Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.

Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.

Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle  “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
 
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.

Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.

If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.

All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.

Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.
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Ventures turn the same as Indy's imo.

Are you riding your trucks either extremely tight or wobbly loose?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 19, 2022, 04:18:42 PM
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Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
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Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…

Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.

Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.

Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.

Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle  “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
 
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.

Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.

If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.

All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.

Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.

Pretty much my same experiences as someone who has skated both. I will say I skated better flatground with Thunders, easily. Transition ace takes the cake though. Love the way these can carve a bowl.  Better pop, and the lighter weight helped out a ton. The aces were just more fun though. I can't wait for a hollow ace, 360~ grams put it in the "medium" range (Same weight as 149 thunder hi). Anything in the 390 range is heavy as fuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on March 19, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
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Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.

Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
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Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…

Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.

Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.

Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.

Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle  “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
 
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.

Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.

If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.

All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.

Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.
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Ventures turn the same as Indy's imo.
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Are you riding your trucks either extremely tight or wobbly loose?

Not wobbly but on loose side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 20, 2022, 03:38:16 PM
 AF1 lows turned up this morning and they are soooo good looking

Mind you I  have not skated regular AF1's or seen them up close before

Really beefy hangars compared to classic lows , finish is beautiful, weight feels great, hollow kp tick

If these skate as good as they look  :o
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 20, 2022, 05:22:47 PM
AF1 lows turned up this morning and they are soooo good looking

Mind you I  have not skated regular AF1's or seen them up close before

Really beefy hangars compared to classic lows , finish is beautiful, weight feels great, hollow kp tick

If these skate as good as they look  :o

Are you in the US? I noticed that the Spring 22 Ace stuff started popping up in Europe and UK as of yesterday.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 20, 2022, 06:39:44 PM
G'day mate  ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on March 21, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the consensus on hollow regular af1s? Are they coming does it seem or will only the lows be hollow?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 21, 2022, 07:04:21 PM
sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the consensus on hollow regular af1s? Are they coming does it seem or will only the lows be hollow?

Hollow regulars are not in the upcoming catalog but Ace have suggested they could be at a later date. So, not anytime soon is my guess.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paperclip20 on March 22, 2022, 07:37:41 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.

This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on March 23, 2022, 03:47:38 AM
My flip tricks have only gotten better with ACE AF1 after riding Thunders 10 years. I think it's the tighter wheelbase.

360 flips are a chore on thunders
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 23, 2022, 04:46:19 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
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This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.

A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 23, 2022, 11:22:34 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
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This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
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A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.
I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.
Seriously, though: some of y’all don’t get used to a new set-up in a few minutes? I’m guessing it’s different once the really technical tricks gets added to the equation & maybe that’s where I’m having trouble relating (as a very basic skater) but I love trying the homies’ set-ups out, precisely because they ARE different than what I’m riding.
That’s actually how I wound up falling in love w/ Ace trucks in the first place (Thanks, Barker.)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Underpressureflips on March 23, 2022, 11:25:58 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
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This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.

Quit blaming your gear and go fucking skate bro
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 23, 2022, 11:33:25 AM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
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This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
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A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.
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I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.
Seriously, though: some of y’all don’t get used to a new set-up in a few minutes? I’m guessing it’s different once the really technical tricks gets added to the equation & maybe that’s where I’m having trouble relating (as a very basic skater) but I love trying the homies’ set-ups out, precisely because they ARE different than what I’m riding.
That’s actually how I wound up falling in love w/ Ace trucks in the first place (Thanks, Barker.)


This may not resonate with anyone here, but a famous cycling quote that I can't remember who to credit it with (and google didnt help) was "Eddy (Merckx, the greatest cyclist of all time still to this day) can win on my bike, but I can't win on his"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on March 24, 2022, 01:29:17 PM
Ordered a set of pivot cups and hard bushings for my AF1 44s and they feel great. Using the new hard barrel bushings with my older top bushings. I’ll post a pic later

What's the benefit of mixing soft and hard bottom bushings? I know Ace stock bushings are already mixed hardness, just forget the logic there...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on March 24, 2022, 01:36:01 PM
Also - after a year of skating AF1s I think my front pivot cup is blowing out, it seems to ride fine but i see a chunk of rubber rupturing out the side.

Never had this problem before, do replacing the pivot cups give your trucks that annoying "new truck feeling"?
Recommend replacing just the one, or both at the same time?
Or should I just ride this shit till my skating feels noticeably impacted?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 24, 2022, 03:41:15 PM
do all aces keep leaning to the side when they're new? i mean like if you lean to one side and step off, the trucks stay leaning in that direction.
i saw a post of someone with the exact same truck as mine having the same problem, and it got me wondering...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on March 24, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Also - after a year of skating AF1s I think my front pivot cup is blowing out, it seems to ride fine but i see a chunk of rubber rupturing out the side.

Never had this problem before, do replacing the pivot cups give your trucks that annoying "new truck feeling"?
Recommend replacing just the one, or both at the same time?
Or should I just ride this shit till my skating feels noticeably impacted?

I'd keep riding em unless you feel something wrong. I noticed the same thing with some classics and when I went to replace the pivot cup the old one was totally fine, it was just that little bit on the top that was tearing off. I used Ace pivot cups and I didn't notice much of a different feel afterwards. If it's bugging you just swap em and it shouldn't be too disruptive.

Can't wait for these low 60s.  Trying to stay patient.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 24, 2022, 08:06:36 PM
do all aces keep leaning to the side when they're new? i mean like if you lean to one side and step off, the trucks stay leaning in that direction.
i saw a post of someone with the exact same truck as mine having the same problem, and it got me wondering...


Most bushings on any brand truck will do this when new if not worn in first, especially if they are tightened down some before even rolling around.

Wear in time depends on the length of session, weight of rider, even differences in brand or quality of product too.


Sometimes just standing on the board before tightening or anything else when new and really putting a lot of heel to toe to heel to toe movement will make bushings a lot more responsive when you do adjust them to where you want them.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthunderw on March 24, 2022, 10:44:09 PM
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Ordered a set of pivot cups and hard bushings for my AF1 44s and they feel great. Using the new hard barrel bushings with my older top bushings. I’ll post a pic later
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What's the benefit of mixing soft and hard bottom bushings? I know Ace stock bushings are already mixed hardness, just forget the logic there...
I think it helps to keep the initial rebound and looseness while being stiffer deeper into a turn, reducing wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 25, 2022, 12:03:35 PM
Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on March 25, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
Never heard a bad word about them before, how long you've been waiting for answer?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 25, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
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Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
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Never heard a bad word about them before, how long you've been waiting for answer?

It's not that bad actually, "only" 8 days so far. But if the website says 1-3 days, it kinda sucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 25, 2022, 01:30:01 PM
I had to bother them so many times about the pivot cavity being fucked up in my 66 AF1s. I kinda gave up due to being busy with life and then all of a sudden a new pair showed up at my doorstep. They never told me they’d send me a new pair or anything. Overall I’m definitely happy but it wasn’t the most reassuring experience for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on March 25, 2022, 03:05:19 PM
Impulse bought a pair of af1 55s after having some recent truck madness. Skated classics for a little bit but have been on ventures since last summer. Was going to return to Indy but aces are just so much more interesting to me. Wish me luck guys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fooj on March 25, 2022, 03:13:58 PM
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on March 25, 2022, 03:28:12 PM
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?

Yup this was me. Just liked the way my classics felt. Might have just been used to them. Who can say, really.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on March 25, 2022, 06:34:33 PM
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Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
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Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
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I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.

Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
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This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
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A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.
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I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.
Seriously, though: some of y’all don’t get used to a new set-up in a few minutes? I’m guessing it’s different once the really technical tricks gets added to the equation & maybe that’s where I’m having trouble relating (as a very basic skater) but I love trying the homies’ set-ups out, precisely because they ARE different than what I’m riding.
That’s actually how I wound up falling in love w/ Ace trucks in the first place (Thanks, Barker.)
You know Barker? Big Jim is living in Chico now and he should come up. I’d love to get a curb session with them both.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 25, 2022, 07:08:18 PM
Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever

Weird. I noticed my Ace were bent on a Sunday and I had new AF1s by Friday.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 25, 2022, 09:57:36 PM
I have to say, I hated the hard bushings on my ace classics. In the past I would run hard bushings on every other truck brand. Although the trucks still had their ace characteristics, they felt lifeless and sluggish. I also found they lost that "lean". Normally when I land tricks sketchy, I can kind of lean it out. Not with the hard bushings. Threw everything off. Ace definitely perform better stock. I'd only use these if you are dead set on tight trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on March 26, 2022, 01:00:59 AM
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?

I’m with you, classics definitely perform better. I appreciate the higher quality and durability of AF1s, but they don’t grind nearly as well as classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on March 26, 2022, 01:08:39 AM
I have to say, I hated the hard bushings on my ace classics. In the past I would run hard bushings on every other truck brand. Although the trucks still had their ace characteristics, they felt lifeless and sluggish. I also found they lost that "lean". Normally when I land tricks sketchy, I can kind of lean it out. Not with the hard bushings. Threw everything off. Ace definitely perform better stock. I'd only use these if you are dead set on tight trucks.

If you want harder bushings, Krux bushings work really well with Aces. You get nearly all the turn but they feel really stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 26, 2022, 04:25:09 AM
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Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
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Weird. I noticed my Ace were bent on a Sunday and I had new AF1s by Friday.

Did you ask them for AF1s or is that something they're suggesting to everybody with bent classics? I'd be down for it. If they ever reply.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 26, 2022, 05:15:07 AM
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Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?
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I’m with you, classics definitely perform better. I appreciate the higher quality and durability of AF1s, but they don’t grind nearly as well as classics.

I did also. It was mainly because I purchased the AF1s long before I needed new trucks. I went back to the Classics because I'm somewhat obsessed with getting all my trucks to axle before surrendering them. But in doing so I did notice I prefer the Classic turn. Anyway, my Classics are now at axle so I'll likely be back on AF1s again soon. Not complaining. The geometry difference is not enough to really be a deal-breaker and I actually prefer the grind on the AF1s. Once the AF1 60s are out I think that will be my go-to truck. I do have to say a Classic 60 would be a nice option though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2022, 05:26:10 AM
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?

I like the AF1’s a lot but I’m back on classics for now because they turn a little nicer for me, and I have a couple pair that are close to the bones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: al_cvbrera on March 26, 2022, 08:07:41 AM
Recently went from Ace 44 Classic’s to Ace 55 AF1’s. The grind on the AF1’s is not as “buttery” as the Classic due to the stronger nature of the cast in the AF1’s, but they difference is really negligible. I can achieve the same length of grinds and keep the same speed in grinds on AF1’s as I do on the Classic’s. With the AF1 55’s being a size larger than the Classic 44’s, they feel much much less squirrelly in general. I can not speak for the 44 version of the AF1’s. On the 55 AF1’s compared to the 44 Classics, I can confirm the wheelbase feels slightly longer, but still undeniably Ace feeling. I was on Classics for so long but I can confirm in my own humble opinion that the AF1’s are an upgrade to the Classics in terms of overall stability. The flaws of the Classics (or flaws as I see it) are improved upon in the AF1’s. The more stable and less squirelly ride makes for a great experience. You get all the benefits of an Ace Classic but less unstability overall at the cost of the slightly longer wheelbase. Turns out I actually like trucks wider than the actual deck (I ride 8.25). I’m having a great time on the AF1 55’s. They feel like home. I put my Thunder’s on for a couple weeks then put my AF1’s back on and they just felt better for my personal preferences and the way I pop and time my tricks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 26, 2022, 08:12:20 AM
I bought AF1's when they first came out and hated them after trying sizes 44-66. Grinded like shit, sounded weird when rolling, bad wheelbite and the turn was not the same. Classics for life. When people say AF1's turn/grind better than classics I really don't understand. If they ever stopped making classics I'd be fucked.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 26, 2022, 09:20:32 AM
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Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
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Weird. I noticed my Ace were bent on a Sunday and I had new AF1s by Friday.
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Did you ask them for AF1s or is that something they're suggesting to everybody with bent classics? I'd be down for it. If they ever reply.

I just asked. I said something like “I don’t want this to happen again, so I was wondering if I could get some AF1s,” and they didn’t hesitate to say yes.

Even if you’re done with Ace trucks, ask for AF1 since they have significantly higher resale value than do the Classics. $55 on eBay easily.

My AF1s are still sitting unskated in my bin, waiting for a beautiful spring day and a fresh deck to adorn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 27, 2022, 06:28:22 PM
Just had my first session on Ace AF1 66s today after primarily riding Indy. It’s more of a fun back up / curb board, but first impressions were good. The turn is obviously great and the Ace bushings are awesome. Rode them stock, didn’t adjust at all and they feel pretty dialed. Definitely stable but you can REALLY press into turns if you want.

I think the two things that will take some getting used to are: they’re much heavier than what I normally ride which is Indy forged hollows and my board *sounds* really different.

I wont do much tech skating on it so the weight isn’t a problem. The noise is definitely interesting, my board sounds kind of dead and it might be the trucks because they’re so solid. Could also be a bad rail install job…

I’ll have to adjust my approach on slappies, I felt like I was turning into them like normal and then missing. Looking forward to putting more time on them. I don’t think I’ll ever switch fully but it’s definitely fun trying them and seeing what the hype is about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 27, 2022, 08:25:28 PM
Yeah the af1s, and to a lesser extent the classics, make my board sound hella dead.
Totally a me problem, but I can’t ollie for shit with ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie varial flip on March 28, 2022, 05:56:49 PM
Are ace 55 classics (9" hangar) more like indy 159s (8.75) or indy 169s (9.125)?

I got a cruiser deck that is too narrow over the back trucks for my 169s  ::)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2022, 07:18:28 PM
@fakie varial flip Ace Classic 55s are closer to Indy 169s . That's why the Ace 60s are about to drop to fill that gap in Ace sizing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fakie varial flip on March 28, 2022, 07:24:09 PM
@fakie varial flip Ace Classic 55s are closer to Indy 169s . That's why the Ace 60s are about to drop to fill that gap in Ace sizing.

Shit well i'll wait on that then. Big thanks for the help!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 28, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Minor quibble: ace 55 classics have a 9” axle, as opposed to a 9.125” axle for the 169, but the hanger on the 55 is smaller than a 169. Almost right in the middle between a 159 and 169. I’ve definitely used 55s on 8.5s before, with no washers on the inside of the wheel. It works, little too wide, but doable for sure.

Like they said, 60s are coming and that sounds like it’d fit your needs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2022, 08:02:34 PM
If you want to 'quibble'  ;D

Ace 55s hangers are about 162mm
Indy 159s are 156s
Indy 169s are 166s

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 28, 2022, 08:35:32 PM
Yeah almost (1 mm off) in the middle of 159-169. With the tapered hanger ends no washer is needed. Not perfect. But in a time when it’s fairly ordinary/was very recently fashionable, to use 159s on 8.38, totally doable.
To be totally clear, I should have written something like: anecdotally for me 55s definitely felt smaller than 169s, but, that very well could be my nonsense. They did work great on the one 8.5 I set them up on (well not totally great or maybe I would have settled there. Alas, I’m too soft to skate bigger trucks).


55s are closer to 169s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 29, 2022, 02:22:31 AM
My 55 classics are 159mm or at most 160mm. Ace are always smaller than they advertise, which sucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 29, 2022, 11:22:32 AM
Update on the warranty, they never answered my first warranty claim, I sent a second one yesterday and they answered today. Don't know what happened to the first one, but I'm getting some AF1s and that's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
Update on the warranty, they never answered my first warranty claim, I sent a second one yesterday and they answered today. Don't know what happened to the first one, but I'm getting some AF1s and that's pretty amazing.

I'm sure it's like any other job where you get a billion emails - some percentage of them inevitably get forgotten or ignored for one reason or another. Rad to hear that they're hooking up the AF-1s! I almost set up mine yesterday but I really want to get these Indy 144s down to the axle before I give up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on March 29, 2022, 01:00:25 PM
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on March 29, 2022, 03:02:23 PM
My front truck looks about the same. Noseslides. My baseplate is really worn down too.
On the other hand I have personally seen a set of Ventures so worn from nose slides that I could actually see the pivot cup plastic from the front of the truck. Dude went through all of the baseplate right below ( above technically) the hanger.

Edit*** I also have a warped baseplate on one of my  ACE 44 og trucks from ledge contact over time. It’s really old though…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Underpressureflips on March 29, 2022, 03:09:39 PM
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)

Every truck ends up like that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 29, 2022, 03:33:02 PM
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)

Are you using riser pads? That always happens if I do. Just file it away if it bothers you
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2022, 04:27:36 PM
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)

I’m big on noseslides and this has happened on every truck I have ever owned. I sometimes file it down when changing decks but mostly I just ignore it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 29, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Yep. that has happened to me with Indy, Thunder and Ace. I just file it down by rubbing the baseplates on a concrete surface.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: newspaperparty on March 29, 2022, 06:09:14 PM
Ok wow I feel like I've kooked myself here since everyone else has this all the time haha. I've for some reason never had it happen like this despite my relentless nosesliding over the past 10 years on many different trucks. Good to know its normal for others
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2022, 06:28:43 PM
Ok wow I feel like I've kooked myself here since everyone else has this all the time haha. I've for some reason never had it happen like this despite my relentless nosesliding over the past 10 years on many different trucks. Good to know its normal for others


Never a worry with things like that - ask a question, get answers, all good.

I think the issue is when people flatly argue a point or disagree even after being proved wrong or something else is going on to make something a lot more of an issue than it really is, but hey I know sometimes I have to chill on the madness, be it skateboard hardware parts related or just in general.


Funny with that upwards turn of the edge of baseplates as sometimes it really is minimal and other times it eats into a deck so much, but I often wonder how much the terrain affects this, or more so just the angle of the truck, concave and curve of the kick or even just how much something is waxed or not, eg waxed might slide longer, but cause more push up on the baseplate in the long run, over something that is raw and you are just charging at but not getting very far along.

Either way, as said, just hold the truck mall grab style and scrape it on some medium concrete - footpath / sidewalk or skatepark - to get rid of the extra lip and it should be good to go.  That's what I usually do with any trucks when changing over boards for people and I see that sort of thing.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on March 29, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
I just call those noseslide grooves
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on March 30, 2022, 11:23:45 AM
Def suggest shaving that sharp edge down on some rough concrete, I found that wooden boxes with that sharp angle iron cause this problem the most
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 01, 2022, 09:18:23 AM
The new Lows as well as the 60s have hit europe, titus has some good pictures.
Interesting how they managed to keep the kingpin clearance the same, seems really nice.

Standard 60s:
https://www.titus.at/ace-achse-60-af1-8.75-polished-0123376/
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60 Lows:
https://www.titus.at/ace-achse-60-af1-low-8.75-polished-0123378/ (https://www.titus.at/ace-achse-60-af1-low-8.75-polished-0123378/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 01, 2022, 09:58:13 AM
I've gotta be honest, I've been a little disappointed in the grind on the Ace AF1s. I know that the Classics are supposed to have the super buttery grind, but a lot of the reviews for the AF1 were still really positive. However, they don't seem to grind through stuff nearly as well as my Indys.

They're still a blast to ride and the turn is awesome, I'm having a lot of fun on them, that's just my feedback after my first couple of sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 01, 2022, 10:39:51 AM
I've gotta be honest, I've been a little disappointed in the grind on the Ace AF1s. I know that the Classics are supposed to have the super buttery grind, but a lot of the reviews for the AF1 were still really positive. However, they don't seem to grind through stuff nearly as well as my Indys.

They're still a blast to ride and the turn is awesome, I'm having a lot of fun on them, that's just my feedback after my first couple of sessions.

They're definitely harder than classics. I started off with af1 and only recently tried classics for the first time (which immediately bent). Classics really are buttery smooth
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 01, 2022, 03:29:06 PM
is anyone picking up the 60 lows?
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 01, 2022, 04:16:46 PM
is anyone picking up the 60 lows?
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs

Are they doing a 66, or is 60 the largest they’re going? Either way, I’m planning on picking up a set because I’m genuinely curious why these would exist and I’ve got an orange Classic Eagle in the stack calling their name. Seems like it might be a fun parking lot/curb setup…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on April 01, 2022, 06:19:00 PM
I've gotta be honest, I've been a little disappointed in the grind on the Ace AF1s. I know that the Classics are supposed to have the super buttery grind, but a lot of the reviews for the AF1 were still really positive. However, they don't seem to grind through stuff nearly as well as my Indys.

They're still a blast to ride and the turn is awesome, I'm having a lot of fun on them, that's just my feedback after my first couple of sessions.

Nothing will beat the grind of Indy’s. I just went back to them after skating some AF1s. I just couldn’t get over the slower soft feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 01, 2022, 06:35:11 PM
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interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs
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Are they doing a 66, or is 60 the largest they’re going? Either way, I’m planning on picking up a set because I’m genuinely curious why these would exist and I’ve got an orange Classic Eagle in the stack calling their name. Seems like it might be a fun parking lot/curb setup…
lows are going up to 60 if i remember correctly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 02, 2022, 09:09:22 AM
Ace post about unloading the container for spring, indicates that there are some new products on board. Large boxes of AF1 Lows are visible, which I supposed means they will be shipping out around the US soon. I didn't see any hollows, but that dual-color ano baseplate AF1 looks fucking sick.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cb2pVwvg7dS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on April 02, 2022, 10:08:10 AM
Ace post about unloading the container for spring, indicates that there are some new products on board. Large boxes of AF1 Lows are visible, which I supposed means they will be shipping out around the US soon. I didn't see any hollows, but that dual-color ano baseplate AF1 looks fucking sick.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cb2pVwvg7dS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Someone in the comments asked if there would be hollow af1 standard height and ace responded “when the leaves turn colors.” Sounds like we’ll have to wait until fall. Still hyped though regardless
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 02, 2022, 01:23:24 PM
I was so excited to waste money on the 8.75” AF1 lows for months but Ace’s delayed timing is starting to give me a more responsible outlook on my financial decisions. Thank you, Ace?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 02, 2022, 06:03:31 PM
Had my first session back on AF1s in almost a year today. I put my AF1s away only a few weeks after they came out,  as I wanted to grind the classics to axle. Anyway, some recent posts in this thread had me nervous to get back on the AF1s but I was pleasantly surprised how much I liked them. I skated steel coping, pool coping and some curbs and enjoyed the grind on all surfaces. It is a unique feeling after being on Classics and Indys for the last year but I really dig 'em. Dare I say, in my very humble opinion my AF1 55s were grinding better than my Classic 44s. Looking forward to the 60s more than ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on April 03, 2022, 03:57:34 PM
What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.

(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)

(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)

(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 03, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
Can't say anything about indies but my aces are all 52-53mm high.
No one knew what was going on in these photos, extremely weird and something is definitely wrong.
Are yours and the ones in the photo possibly indy lows?
Did you measure both sides, and from the bottom of the baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on April 03, 2022, 05:01:47 PM
Thanks for the reply. The top pic is mine and was Standard Indys with the normal kingpin (not the inverted mids). The second pic was from a Royal thread but OP in that thread mentioned that they were standard Indy's too.

I'll double check my Indy's tomorrow but when I measured them they were all 50mm off my board on all 4 axle sides. So confusing. The only part that was 55mm was bottom of truck to top of axle bolt. I'm 100% sure that I'm riding standard Indy's because I compared them to my friends Mids.

I was just banking on Aces being a few mm lower than Indy's to end my madness
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 03, 2022, 05:51:20 PM
I have multiple pairs of Ace (both classic and AF1) and they always come in lower than my Indy Standards. No idea what's going on with your trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 03, 2022, 07:11:47 PM

Two things to note:

Always measure new trucks, not used trucks, as too many things can happen with older or used trucks, least of all being the bushings and pivot cups compress giving them a lower look.  Some bushings I have from used trucks are maybe 1 to 1.5 mm squashed down, when compared to the stock new ones.  Also hanger wear can change how a truck will look, as well as bent axles.

Also check the angle of the hanger and is it completely level from end to end of axles?  Some will sit higher on one side and lower on the other, so this by itself can make some trucks look taller and some look lower, from the same set, just by looking at the right or left.  With most trucks, there is going to be a fair bit of difference with this alone, especially if a higher side of a lower truck is sitting at the same height or above the lower side of a taller truck, as I have set up in other pics.


Indy standard = 55 mm tall and I can feel every mm of it for carvy turns when compared to Ace, Venture, Thunder, etc which are all lower, when paired with the same board, same wheels, even same bushings if it comes down to it, but a thin 2 mm rubber riser makes most of those others feel about the same as the Indy standards and I can carve as usual with no wheelbite or at least none that throws me off, the Thunders especially.


Not saying there are not going to be instances where trucks will feel different or have other things going on, but with a lower bottom bushing, a standard Indy truck can feel almost 2 mm lower as well as sitting about even with those others in the 52 to 53 mm height category.  The kingpin was a lot closer to the hanger axle part on that set too, which needed a spanner to get to the kingpin as the usual skate tool was too big to get down over it.



Sorry, probably too much useless wooden toy knowledge, but it is fun experimenting and working out a few things like that too, just to feel how different trucks can perform from stock or factory builds.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 03, 2022, 07:13:46 PM
What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.

(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)

(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)

(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)


What bushings do you have in the Ace trucks?


Black Indy or something?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on April 03, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.

(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)

(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)

(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)
Could just be the lighting in your pic, but it looks like the centerline on the Indy’s axle is a few mm higher than the Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LewFarrell on April 03, 2022, 07:58:17 PM
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What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.

(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)

(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)

(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)
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Could just be the lighting in your pic, but it looks like the centerline on the Indy’s axle is a few mm higher than the Aces.
I agree, it looks higher to me. Ace are 53mm and Indy standard are 55mm so the difference is minimal, roughly the thickness of a bones washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on April 04, 2022, 11:10:48 AM
I'm back and I must have been tripping last night. My Indy's are 55mm height. Thanks for all the help though. I think risers are 3mm so just expected a bigger difference visually between Indy and Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on April 04, 2022, 02:30:58 PM
is anyone picking up the 60 lows?
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs
I gave away a set of minilogo 8.75 that are probably 48 or 49mm that I bought trying to make a wide lowrider old guy board. They push in the wheelbase although a tiny bit less than classic Ace. The overall feel of a low, wide, turny truck is great, I just can’t ride wheels small enough for their height at any of my spots other than the skatepark and while the same truck on a riser feels great, I always ended up putting on 55 classics instead.

I’m not sure what the deal is with low trucks on risers but there is definitely a difference in feel changing the position of the pivot in relation to the board (low truck on riser vs high truck, regardless of wheel height etc.). I’d have to try it again with similar trucks but I don’t know if I could live with myself having a preference for lows on risers vs. highs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paul_Glider Skateboards on April 04, 2022, 11:31:13 PM
Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on April 05, 2022, 03:41:08 AM
Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.

I'm running hard bushings on my AF1 after coming from stock indies, very stable but deep turn when you need it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: downtodevin on April 05, 2022, 10:45:57 AM
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Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.
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I'm running hard bushings on my AF1 after coming from stock indies, very stable but deep turn when you need it.

I also ride the Ace Hard bushings on medium/medium tight AF1s. I love them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 05, 2022, 10:59:19 AM
Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.

I will third the Ace hard bushings if you’re a medium guy. They’re stable like a 94A, but they turn more like an 88/90A to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paul_Glider Skateboards on April 05, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
Thanks for all the feedback! Will definitely be purchasing some hard bushings after I try these on loose as intended
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 05, 2022, 11:47:04 AM
Well, I cant exactly explain why, I have some 55 classics that are in perfectly good shape, but I just got suckered into some 66 AF1s with the Orange/Blue baseplate because I think they'll look pretty dang cute with the new Transportation Unit "Breathe" board in the Supertanker shape that I plan to order a couple of next week when they drop.

Also that Orange rings shirt is sick. So is that new sticker of the guy carrying the truck. Also some hard bushings.
yeah yeahwhatever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on April 05, 2022, 12:28:13 PM
As someone who thought they liked medium tightness, i didn’t like the hards on my classics. felt way to different. that being said, i switched back to my normal bushings, except much looser, and i love it now. go figure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 06, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
All the new trucks are up on the Ace web store. Lows, 60s, new colors etc. So will likely be showing up in local US stores any day now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 06, 2022, 09:26:20 AM
All the new trucks are up on the Ace web store. Lows, 60s, new colors etc. So will likely be showing up in local US stores any day now...

Hoping a lot of the soft goods do too. I was hyped on the prospect of a ACE burnt orange rings shirt, but I just got an email to let me know it was sold out after I ordered it yesterday. dangit. Gotta find it online in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 06, 2022, 09:29:30 AM
Tempted to place an order but I asked the local to hold some 60s for me. I have to stop shopping online so much...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on April 06, 2022, 09:34:29 AM
Ace of supporting shops, going for that DTC money
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 06, 2022, 09:39:30 AM
Yeah I was surprised they put them up before shops had a chance to get their orders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on April 06, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AFHRG_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647357937)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/MFG_BACK_BABY-BLUE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647362335)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 06, 2022, 10:33:34 AM
Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AFHRG_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647357937)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/MFG_BACK_BABY-BLUE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647362335)

Those are looking very nice indeed. Haven’t been a big fan of many of their past clothes but these I could cop if they ever find their way to Finland.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 06, 2022, 10:34:41 AM
Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AFHRG_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647357937)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/MFG_BACK_BABY-BLUE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647362335)

Really not saying much, truck company apparel is usually corny as fuck. Ace does it well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 06, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
Not only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on April 06, 2022, 12:43:38 PM
Not only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)
I'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 06, 2022, 01:05:54 PM
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Not only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)
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I'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.

Had boner, made purchase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 06, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
Ace of supporting shops, going for that DTC money


Ill cut some companies a lot of slack right now. They have a lot of money out there in production that has been not generating anything for them because of supply chain issues. They have paychecks to cut. I think they just moved again too from Westminster to Los Al and, interestingly, my online order confirmation email came from a "Shimrit" who I can only imagine is Shimrit from the 411/Giant days and I had no idea she was doing this in skating. good stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 06, 2022, 01:44:35 PM
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Not only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)
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I'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.

I have some 44s on ice but I supposed I should flip them on eBay and grab a pair of these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paul_Glider Skateboards on April 06, 2022, 07:59:49 PM
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Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/AFHRG_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647357937)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/MFG_BACK_BABY-BLUE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647362335)
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Really not saying much, truck company apparel is usually corny as fuck. Ace does it well.

Excited for more spanky / ace merch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 06, 2022, 08:32:28 PM
id dare say that venture has the least corny truck merch
classic 90s vibes from the awake shirts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on April 07, 2022, 03:59:45 AM
id dare say that venture has the least corny truck merch
classic 90s vibes from the awake shirts

this, the awake shirt is a classic, and i also like the paid shirt from their latest catalog
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 07, 2022, 04:31:58 AM
Got my replacement AF1 66 today after bending my 55 classics. They are also 159mm instead of the advertised 163mm.
So I guess it's consistent and their information online is just wrong?
It's a good size though so I'm not mad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 08, 2022, 06:34:47 PM
OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 08, 2022, 06:40:19 PM
So what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 08, 2022, 06:44:52 PM
I've experienced this with Indy, Thunder and Ace and it goes away after break in. New trucks suck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on April 08, 2022, 09:56:21 PM
OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.

Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 09, 2022, 05:16:01 AM
Anyone try the new lows yet? If buying the lows truly means I can turn any AF1 into a ~51mm truck, I'm gonna do it for sure. On pictures it looks like it works, but I need to be sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 09, 2022, 07:05:41 AM
Anyone try the new lows yet? If buying the lows truly means I can turn any AF1 into a ~51mm truck, I'm gonna do it for sure. On pictures it looks like it works, but I need to be sure

Probably best to go here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=119999.150
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 09, 2022, 07:24:47 AM
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OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
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Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics

FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 09, 2022, 08:17:03 AM
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OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
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Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics
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FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).

That’s good to hear. I’m sure this community is a little different than the rest.
As the af-1s were coming out, there seemed to be a lot of momentum, as well as some folks looking for an alternative to Indy. I don’t speak to people about gear outside, so I dunno what the feedback was.
My main truck criteria is pop. I have absolutely cried about this on here previously, but that is my main problem with ace: I can’t get em off of the ground. Love the look (33s are as good looking of a truck as there is, the all time goat is Phil Shao era ventures, aesthetically), love the turn. But I’ve only had one setup, in my preferred size, that was popping: 8.25 x 14 wb 44 classics, 56 mm wheels. **The classic 55s actually have a really good pop feeling, for me. I’m 100 percent an idiot, but that truck feels a lot different than the 44 classics, to me. I also cannot easily get a tool on the kingpin but which leads me to believe that the geometry is different. If I wasn’t made out dust and tears I’d skate the 55 classics, but alas I’m weak on those are fun for a day, but too big.
I put af-1 44s on a new board and it just feels waterlogged. Sounds weird. Feels weirder.
So, dear ace enthusiast: any combos that work? Or tips? With ventures, my popping foot is better off near the very tip of the board, which is a natural feeling for me, once being a tiny shit trying to get a whale tail off of the ground. I’ve tried to move my foot in from the tip and just haven’t figured it out. Personal problem, as there are for sure people using them that can get way up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lurkey on April 09, 2022, 08:32:04 AM
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OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
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Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics
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FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).
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That’s good to hear. I’m sure this community is a little different than the rest.
As the af-1s were coming out, there seemed to be a lot of momentum, as well as some folks looking for an alternative to Indy. I don’t speak to people about gear outside, so I dunno what the feedback was.
My main truck criteria is pop. I have absolutely cried about this on here previously, but that is my main problem with ace: I can’t get em off of the ground. Love the look (33s are as good looking of a truck as there is, the all time goat is Phil Shao era ventures, aesthetically), love the turn. But I’ve only had one setup, in my preferred size, that was popping: 8.25 x 14 wb 44 classics, 56 mm wheels. **The classic 55s actually have a really good pop feeling, for me. I’m 100 percent an idiot, but that truck feels a lot different than the 44 classics, to me. I also cannot easily get a tool on the kingpin but which leads me to believe that the geometry is different. If I wasn’t made out dust and tears I’d skate the 55 classics, but alas I’m weak on those are fun for a day, but too big.
I put af-1 44s on a new board and it just feels waterlogged. Sounds weird. Feels weirder.
So, dear ace enthusiast: any combos that work? Or tips? With ventures, my popping foot is better off near the very tip of the board, which is a natural feeling for me, once being a tiny shit trying to get a whale tail off of the ground. I’ve tried to move my foot in from the tip and just haven’t figured it out. Personal problem, as there are for sure people using them that can get way up.

I felt this when I first set up AF1s, couldn't get the board off the ground. I think it was 44s on an 8.18 Quasi. I put them away for like half a year and then set them up on an FA 8.25 and they felt fine and now that's my main setup. No idea if my position changed at all, but I just got used to them. I agree the board sounds a bit dead compared to indy's or especially ventures, but it's just something I've gotten used to as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 09, 2022, 08:44:47 AM
Sick, thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on April 09, 2022, 11:58:55 AM
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OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...

The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.

 I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
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Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics
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FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).
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That’s good to hear. I’m sure this community is a little different than the rest.
As the af-1s were coming out, there seemed to be a lot of momentum, as well as some folks looking for an alternative to Indy. I don’t speak to people about gear outside, so I dunno what the feedback was.
My main truck criteria is pop. I have absolutely cried about this on here previously, but that is my main problem with ace: I can’t get em off of the ground. Love the look (33s are as good looking of a truck as there is, the all time goat is Phil Shao era ventures, aesthetically), love the turn. But I’ve only had one setup, in my preferred size, that was popping: 8.25 x 14 wb 44 classics, 56 mm wheels. **The classic 55s actually have a really good pop feeling, for me. I’m 100 percent an idiot, but that truck feels a lot different than the 44 classics, to me. I also cannot easily get a tool on the kingpin but which leads me to believe that the geometry is different. If I wasn’t made out dust and tears I’d skate the 55 classics, but alas I’m weak on those are fun for a day, but too big.
I put af-1 44s on a new board and it just feels waterlogged. Sounds weird. Feels weirder.
So, dear ace enthusiast: any combos that work? Or tips? With ventures, my popping foot is better off near the very tip of the board, which is a natural feeling for me, once being a tiny shit trying to get a whale tail off of the ground. I’ve tried to move my foot in from the tip and just haven’t figured it out. Personal problem, as there are for sure people using them that can get way up.
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I felt this when I first set up AF1s, couldn't get the board off the ground. I think it was 44s on an 8.18 Quasi. I put them away for like half a year and then set them up on an FA 8.25 and they felt fine and now that's my main setup. No idea if my position changed at all, but I just got used to them. I agree the board sounds a bit dead compared to indy's or especially ventures, but it's just something I've gotten used to as well.

wow i always thought it was my new bearings, but this just made me relize the waterlog sound never went away

still love the af-1 out of the box
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on April 10, 2022, 02:03:26 PM
When I first got Ace 33s years ago I saw a lot of comments that they are a bitch to break in but much better with Bones bushings so I always used those. Then when I moved on to 44s I swapped Bones out of habit as well.

Seems to be more of a consensus now that the standard bushings are the way to go, so I figured I might as well give them a fair go, not the least because I had a bit of an issue with wheel bite even though I have 52mm wheels. First session down and they feel great, put the kingpin nut flush and didn’t need to touch them at all. Top bushing on one truck started bulging out from under the washer when I was just rocking back and forth before even sessioning them but I’m sure that will fix itself eventually.

What type of washers do you run with the stock bushings? With Bones I’ve had flat top and either no bottom or regular bottom, for now I’m running both stock washers which should benefit the geometry at least, but I wonder if there are other gains to be made.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 10, 2022, 02:46:55 PM
When I first got Ace 33s years ago I saw a lot of comments that they are a bitch to break in but much better with Bones bushings so I always used those. Then when I moved on to 44s I swapped Bones out of habit as well.

Seems to be more of a consensus now that the standard bushings are the way to go, so I figured I might as well give them a fair go, not the least because I had a bit of an issue with wheel bite even though I have 52mm wheels. First session down and they feel great, put the kingpin nut flush and didn’t need to touch them at all. Top bushing on one truck started bulging out from under the washer when I was just rocking back and forth before even sessioning them but I’m sure that will fix itself eventually.

What type of washers do you run with the stock bushings? With Bones I’ve had flat top and either no bottom or regular bottom, for now I’m running both stock washers which should benefit the geometry at least, but I wonder if there are other gains to be made.

The stock washers on Ace classics are trash. I change mine to whatever generic washers I can get a hold of. Used washers from my Indys first and after getting rid of all other trucks and bushings than Aces I’ve gotten washers from skate shops and they’ve always worked fine unlike the Ace stock washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 10, 2022, 04:44:36 PM
So what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.
have a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 10, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
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So what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.
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have a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!

So this is probably common knowledge, but when the bushing washers are wider round the kingpin they will move side to side when bushings compress.  This is what causes the click when you lean left or right on the trucks, almost entirely the bottom washer with contact on the baseplate being the thing to check / change.

I tried some other washers that didn't have so much movement and there was almost no clicking, but doing things like a bit of something sticky on the baseplate just around the kinpin (we have blu tack here in AU, but any of that stuff that falls under the adhesive putty name) as well as tape round the kingpin itself are two things that have prevented clicking completely for others who have had the same issues and didn't want to replace parts.

The tighter the trucks, the more likely the bushings will click too, but once they wear in and have a bit more grip the clicking tends to stop or at least there is a lot less of it.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 12, 2022, 08:20:00 AM
Among my considerable amount of hot takes, has been a fairly firm assertion that af-1s ain’t popping: obviously wrong. I’d prefer a stiffer pivot cup, I think, but…just had a lot of fun on some. Had them setup with a short wb and slightly larger wheel. Too much turn maybe. Pop was really easy, light feeling treflips. The dull thud wasn’t present either.
All to say, I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 12, 2022, 08:29:24 AM
Among my considerable amount of hot takes, has been a fairly firm assertion that af-1s ain’t popping: obviously wrong. I’d prefer a stiffer pivot cup, I think, but…just had a lot of fun on some. Had them setup with a short wb and slightly larger wheel. Too much turn maybe. Pop was really easy, light feeling treflips. The dull thud wasn’t present either.
All to say, I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Riptide AF-1 pivots are just about to drop. I imagine they will be firmer than the stock AF-1 cups. Should be cool.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whale on April 12, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
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So what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.
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have a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!
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So this is probably common knowledge, but when the bushing washers are wider round the kingpin they will move side to side when bushings compress.  This is what causes the click when you lean left or right on the trucks, almost entirely the bottom washer with contact on the baseplate being the thing to check / change.

I tried some other washers that didn't have so much movement and there was almost no clicking, but doing things like a bit of something sticky on the baseplate just around the kinpin (we have blu tack here in AU, but any of that stuff that falls under the adhesive putty name) as well as tape round the kingpin itself are two things that have prevented clicking completely for others who have had the same issues and didn't want to replace parts.

The tighter the trucks, the more likely the bushings will click too, but once they wear in and have a bit more grip the clicking tends to stop or at least there is a lot less of it.
At first I superglued the kingpin nut to the top washer.
Then I got the Ace hard bushings, those came with a new set of washer, haven’t been clicking since.
Probably because I don’t have to tighten ’em so much.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on April 13, 2022, 11:31:09 AM
There's nothing you need to do to stop the clicking, it goes away. It doesn't affect your skating, will lessen over time and be gone for good in a few weeks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 13, 2022, 12:10:20 PM
I loosened mine, clicking stopped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MalHuis on April 14, 2022, 01:27:41 AM
Clicking stops after session 3-5. Enjoy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 14, 2022, 07:30:58 AM
Hold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 14, 2022, 07:59:24 AM
A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 14, 2022, 08:20:55 AM
A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?


Correct.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaderSk8r on April 14, 2022, 09:43:32 AM
Hold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.

If you are talking about Trahan he could be using the 1/16th” shock pads ace makes, if been looking at his ace ad and it appears that there are still threads poking threw on his bolts but there is clearly a riser pad. Unless he rocks 1 1/8th hardware but bronze only makes 1”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on April 14, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
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Hold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.
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If you are talking about Trahan he could be using the 1/16th” shock pads ace makes, if been looking at his ace ad and it appears that there are still threads poking threw on his bolts but there is clearly a riser pad. Unless he rocks 1 1/8th hardware but bronze only makes 1”
Some next level nerdery and attention to detail holy shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on April 14, 2022, 03:35:03 PM
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A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?
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Correct.

Quicker? How so? Genuinely curious I'd think every aspect of a low would be slower, less deep, even with a riser.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 14, 2022, 04:48:48 PM
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Hold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.
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If you are talking about Trahan he could be using the 1/16th” shock pads ace makes, if been looking at his ace ad and it appears that there are still threads poking threw on his bolts but there is clearly a riser pad. Unless he rocks 1 1/8th hardware but bronze only makes 1”
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Some next level nerdery and attention to detail holy shit.

Haven’t seen the pic, but ace baseplates are pretty thin, so it could still be 1” bolts.

I should not have replied with ‘correct’. What I should have said is: a low with a riser, will turn/pop, differently than a high, even if they end up being the same height. I’m not nearly smart enough to make a claim on what happens when a riser goes under a truck, in regards to turning. I’ve read some people mention it as ‘detuning’, which I guessed off of context, to mean that the trucks turned slower. This was in regards to thunders, some years back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 14, 2022, 04:55:48 PM
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A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?
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Correct.
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Quicker? How so? Genuinely curious I'd think every aspect of a low would be slower, less deep, even with a riser.

I would think a low truck has lower bushings and thus less resistance and less force pushing it back to center. Other factors aside, it's going to compress and bottom out more quickly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 14, 2022, 06:41:36 PM
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A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?
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Correct.
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Quicker? How so? Genuinely curious I'd think every aspect of a low would be slower, less deep, even with a riser.

Same way Thunders have a quicker initial turn than indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 15, 2022, 01:08:49 PM
Some props here for Ace/Mesa customer service. I placed an order with a couple of sets of hardware and they left one out. Shot them a quick email and said it was totally fine just to refund that (shipping hardware feels dumb cost-wise) instead the offered to resend it and said they’d send some extra stuff. Sure did. I think this is like $20+ retail. Thanks Ace/Mesa!!!!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52006816191_349be2d035_c.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 16, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness?

To me, ace feel heavier in the hand, lighter on the board, in regards to the effort that it takes to pop, compared to venture/thunder. If I want to ollie higher, a venture or thunder works better for me, but the effort to do so, is more deliberate. If any of that makes sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 16, 2022, 11:03:49 AM
Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.

You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.

It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.

Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 16, 2022, 11:39:56 AM
Ok, i see.

I think ventures somehow are not for me. I’ll ride them a bit longer and then I’ll decide.

I was skating thunder hollows before and before them old Royals from 2012. Both felt somehow better to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2022, 12:55:21 PM
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Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.
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You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.

It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.

Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.

‘No statistics or magic at play’ : truuuuuuue.

I’m starting to believe that just about anything will work, for damn near whomever, it’s adjusting to it. Ace has a really unique turn, that is excellent.

For mckracken: for me, I need to pop from the tips of the nose/tail, with ventures, compared to some other trucks. I’m very used to this, so I like it. Not sure what hasn’t been working for you. Hopefully you find something that works!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 16, 2022, 03:35:31 PM
There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 16, 2022, 05:00:24 PM
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Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness?
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To me, ace feel heavier in the hand, lighter on the board, in regards to the effort that it takes to pop

Couldn't agree more. I never, at any point, felt that the heft of the Ace was in any was hindering my pop. I'm not on Ace any longer, but the Classics I had really did have a sort of effortless pop. I have short legs and I prefer a shorter wheelbase, and they worked perfectly for this. Anyone thinking about getting Ace Trucks should just buy them already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2022, 05:57:48 PM
There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….

Emphatic yes. Indy the default, unless one has a specific reason otherwise.

@manysnakes are you back on Indys?
 I was pretty into ace classics, from stage 1, and felt like they improved subsequently (well the first generation looked the best), but couldn’t really dial in a setup that felt right for my slow ass flatground shit. Always loved the turn tho. I bought the af-1s, right when they came out, and didn’t give them more than a few sessions before prematurely deciding I didn’t like them. With a stiffer pivot cup, I could see the af-1s being my indy, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on April 16, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
Anyone worked out a quick fix for the looser/softer pivots? I've always wondered what felt 'off' about my AF1s and now realising it may be the pivots now that its mentioned.

My stock pivots blew out nearly instantly (broke them in only doing slappies) and I'm now running the classic Ace riptides, which leaves a lot of room for the pivot to wobble around in. I've got some stock classic pivots sitting around, worth a try? Few Indy plates laying around too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 16, 2022, 06:31:22 PM
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Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.
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You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.

It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.

Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.
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‘No statistics or magic at play’ : truuuuuuue.

I’m starting to believe that just about anything will work, for damn near whomever, it’s adjusting to it. Ace has a really unique turn, that is excellent.

For mckracken: for me, I need to pop from the tips of the nose/tail, with ventures, compared to some other trucks. I’m very used to this, so I like it. Not sure what hasn’t been working for you. Hopefully you find something that works!

Somehow my pop is strange on them. Maybe it’s really that  the tail is too short for them. Magenta big plant 8.0
14“ wb 8“ and I think the tail is around 6.3

I was riding decks with short tails before, but on thunders and royals

I somehow struggle more with manuals on them. Not nose mannies, but normal ones.


There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….

I‘m really thinking about trying titanium indys. I have to admit that I somehow feel like indies are somehow boring compared to ace and this is holding me back ..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 16, 2022, 06:59:04 PM
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Few questions:


Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?


Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?

Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels   Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.
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You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.

It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.

Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.
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‘No statistics or magic at play’ : truuuuuuue.

I’m starting to believe that just about anything will work, for damn near whomever, it’s adjusting to it. Ace has a really unique turn, that is excellent.

For mckracken: for me, I need to pop from the tips of the nose/tail, with ventures, compared to some other trucks. I’m very used to this, so I like it. Not sure what hasn’t been working for you. Hopefully you find something that works!
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Somehow my pop is strange on them. Maybe it’s really that  the tail is too short for them. Magenta big plant 8.0
14“ wb 8“ and I think the tail is around 6.3

I was riding decks with short tails before, but on thunders and royals

I somehow struggle more with manuals on them. Not nose mannies, but normal ones.


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There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….
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I‘m really thinking about trying titanium indys. I have to admit that I somehow feel like indies are somehow boring compared to ace and this is holding me back ..

Save yourself a bit of coin, Indy Forged Hollows have all the performance for minimally more weight. I got a pair of Indy Tis as a gift and I can't tell much of a difference...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 16, 2022, 07:14:07 PM
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There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….
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Emphatic yes. Indy the default, unless one has a specific reason otherwise.

@manysnakes are you back on Indys?

I had the Classics loved them and skated them to death, but when I realized that I bent the hanger, I put in a warranty claim and got the AF1 44s as a replacement. In the meantime, I put on some 144 Standards I had knocking around, and after failing to find fault with them, I ended up sitting on the Ace until I sold them on eBay this week after having a "too much skate shit" crisis.

So yeah, I've been on Indy more or less entirely for the last year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 18, 2022, 01:07:02 PM
Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 18, 2022, 03:20:41 PM
Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...

Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2022, 03:36:14 PM
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Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
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Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm

I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on April 18, 2022, 08:33:48 PM
Anyone run af1 55s on an 8.25? I really want that rizzo penny graphic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 18, 2022, 08:54:04 PM
Anyone run af1 55s on an 8.25? I really want that rizzo penny graphic


I haven’t. But I have run 149s, on 8.25. That’s arguably the most common ratio of the last 10 years. Meaning you should be good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MalHuis on April 19, 2022, 04:43:33 AM
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Anyone run af1 55s on an 8.25? I really want that rizzo penny graphic
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I haven’t. But I have run 149s, on 8.25. That’s arguably the most common ratio of the last 10 years. Meaning you should be good

8.5 trucks with +/- 8.25 board is the dream, no problem there and sure you'll enjoy it. I would be more concerned with the short Quasi tail and ace.

Another thing is the normal quasi 8.25 tapers to about 8.1 at the back (PStix shii), but had 149 on my quasi and it was fire.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 20, 2022, 10:47:40 AM
What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 20, 2022, 11:57:36 AM
What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.

14.3x
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Underpressureflips on April 20, 2022, 03:02:35 PM
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14.3x

This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on April 20, 2022, 06:28:47 PM
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What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
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14.3x
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This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wb
theres at least one every drop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 20, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
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What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
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14.3x
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This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
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polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wb
theres at least one every drop

Great call. Polar team seems to be majority indy/ace, might be something to that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on April 20, 2022, 08:02:13 PM
I prefer 14.38”wb on Aces. It’s super weird because I’m like 5”5 so it should be too long for me, but isn’t. For reference I normally skate sub 14” on every other truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 20, 2022, 10:01:08 PM
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What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
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14.3x
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This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
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polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wb
theres at least one every drop

I've eye'd that board a few times but the 32.375" length keeps me from trying it out.

Check out Uma Landsleds if 32"+ length doesn't bug you, they have one: https://www.uma-landsleds.com/collections/boards/products/uma-undercurrent-cody-8-75

Tricky thing is getting shorter noses (and/or tails) with 14.3x" wb otherwise you get 32"+ decks and I prefer 31.75" <-> 31.8.75"range
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bigdave on April 21, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
My guess this has been asked before, but can you mix and match AF1 Baseplates w/ Classic hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 21, 2022, 12:04:19 PM
I prefer 14.38”wb on Aces. It’s super weird because I’m like 5”5 so it should be too long for me, but isn’t. For reference I normally skate sub 14” on every other truck.

Ace brings the WB in so much it's effectively like riding Indy's on a 14.12 WB deck. Same here, 5'5" and I love Aces on longer WB for this reason. Wish they were lighter but they're amazing for slappys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on April 21, 2022, 02:29:33 PM
14.38 is perfect with classics for me. 14.5 is still good but makes flip tricks more difficult. yet to try it with AF-1. I'm 5'9 with longer legs for reference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on April 21, 2022, 02:41:20 PM
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Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
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Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm
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I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time

(https://i.ibb.co/2KzdD9P/47-A1-C252-D2-B8-4-A07-985-D-A3-FF01658-DEE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j4CDcNG)
(https://i.ibb.co/LgKSnsV/BB4446-AF-0-B69-49-DD-A34-C-A0-A54-D597-ED2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jwthgjn)

A hair under an even 6”. The camera distorts too much if I try to take a pic of the whole truck. So, two pics to show it squared up on the measurements.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Underpressureflips on April 21, 2022, 03:26:31 PM
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What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
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14.3x
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This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
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polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wb
theres at least one every drop

Yep. That’s the board I realized is perfect with 55 classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 21, 2022, 03:38:28 PM
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Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
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Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm
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I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time
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(https://i.ibb.co/2KzdD9P/47-A1-C252-D2-B8-4-A07-985-D-A3-FF01658-DEE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j4CDcNG)
(https://i.ibb.co/LgKSnsV/BB4446-AF-0-B69-49-DD-A34-C-A0-A54-D597-ED2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jwthgjn)

A hair under an even 6”. The camera distorts too much if I try to take a pic of the whole truck. So, two pics to show it squared up on the measurements.

Looks like you might be measuring a little under. You have to take into account the sight conical ends to the hanger (they do that so the bearings shields don't sit on the hanger)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on April 21, 2022, 05:38:56 PM
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Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?

I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
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Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm
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I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time
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(https://i.ibb.co/2KzdD9P/47-A1-C252-D2-B8-4-A07-985-D-A3-FF01658-DEE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j4CDcNG)
(https://i.ibb.co/LgKSnsV/BB4446-AF-0-B69-49-DD-A34-C-A0-A54-D597-ED2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jwthgjn)

A hair under an even 6”. The camera distorts too much if I try to take a pic of the whole truck. So, two pics to show it squared up on the measurements.
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Looks like you might be measuring a little under. You have to take into account the sight conical ends to the hanger (they do that so the bearings shields don't sit on the hanger)

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on April 26, 2022, 07:39:45 AM
Has anyone mixed ace hard bottom bushing with the softer stock top bushing?

Curious if it makes the truck more stable at center like indys?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Space Cowboy on April 26, 2022, 10:28:28 AM
Has anyone mixed ace hard bottom bushing with the softer stock top bushing?

Curious if it makes the truck more stable at center like indys?

I had a similar issue when i first got Af1's, i found that tightening them a bit then skating them for a few sessions lead to the bushings kinda "pancaking" out and stabilizing at the center more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on April 26, 2022, 11:46:43 AM
Oh I've had my AF1s for a year now and I like them, just can't help but wonder if I'd like them even more with some tweaks

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Has anyone mixed ace hard bottom bushing with the softer stock top bushing?

Curious if it makes the truck more stable at center like indys?
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I had a similar issue when i first got Af1's, i found that tightening them a bit then skating them for a few sessions lead to the bushings kinda "pancaking" out and stabilizing at the center more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 27, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
Finally felt up some 60s at the shop. I did not measure the hangers but lined them up against some Indy 159s and can confirm they are a fair bit narrower, which is fine by me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2022, 06:56:39 PM
Just got my pair of 60s and the hangers come in at  around 154 and axles at 8 3/4", which is perfect for my needs. So a slightly ( but noticeable) smaller hanger than Indy 159s.  I could probably ride these on everything from an 8.4 pop to a 9.18 Huffer. Stoked.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 28, 2022, 07:17:57 PM
Just got my pair of 60s and the hangers come in at  around 154 and axles at 8 3/4", which is perfect for my needs. So a slightly ( but noticeable) smaller hanger than Indy 159s.  I could probably ride these on everything from an 8.4 pop to a 9.18 Huffer. Stoked.


I do really like how ace has had these quirky in between sizes that end up having so much flexibility
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 28, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on April 28, 2022, 08:31:16 PM
based on those measurements of the 60s that might be my new truck if my 8.38 board experience isn't what I want it to be. sounds perfect for the board sizes I usually prefer to ride. :)

edit: might just grab them at some point for my second setup. seems like a pretty fair excuse to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 28, 2022, 11:26:59 PM
Something I've realized going between super wide Radial Fulls and pretty thin V5s is that wheel width can definitely interact with trucks turning in meaningful ways.

The trucks definitely feel more "squirrelly" with thin wheels than really wide wheels. They feel great to me with both, but it's worth thinking about. It will switch up the type of skating you might want to do with them.

I'm a wider wheel skater these days so I'm in love with Ace. They work perfectly to balance each other out. Wide stable wheels with a quick responsive turn is a great combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 29, 2022, 07:23:55 AM
I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.

Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.

My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 29, 2022, 07:30:45 AM
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I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
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Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.

My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.

Comparatively, imo, I’m in a sunken place: I’m all brands of trucks at any given moment, just all over the place, so switching between two trucks, that share some dna, sounds like stability.
Totally agree about the pivot cup being the issue, too soft, for me.
Af-1s could very well bridge with the gap, between the classic, and indy. That seems to be the intent behind the geometry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 29, 2022, 08:35:59 AM
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I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
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Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.

My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.

I've said this a lot before (and Riptides wouldn't solve the issue), but my instinct is always to say that a pivot cup made out of the type of hard plastic that the other brands use will function better than one made from a relatively softer polyurethane.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 29, 2022, 09:10:41 AM
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I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
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Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.

My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.

Maybe I described it wrong but its the bushings for me for sure. I've had three sets of Af1s at this point and the the pivot cups have always been fine. These bushings are already firming up a bit just like they did with the other pairs... although I caved and put Krux bushings in my 66s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 29, 2022, 09:35:48 AM
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I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
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Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.

My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.
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Maybe I described it wrong but its the bushings for me for sure. I've had three sets of Af1s at this point and the the pivot cups have always been fine. These bushings are already firming up a bit just like they did with the other pairs... although I caved and put Krux bushings in my 66s.

Fair enough, I just couldn't deal with the pivot cups on the set I had.

@manysnakes I agree with you that hard plastic is the best, but riptides are firmer than the stocks and for my money almost anything would be an improvement.

Discussion isn making me keep my 149s on for another day, so perhaps that is something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 29, 2022, 06:56:51 PM
Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 29, 2022, 09:10:02 PM
Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…


Oh shit!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shady Individual on April 30, 2022, 07:57:40 AM
Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…

Do you use risers? Been wanting to get some and kinda scared of massive wheelbite with them being low, wide and loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 30, 2022, 08:39:15 AM
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Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…
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Do you use risers? Been wanting to get some and kinda scared of massive wheelbite with them being low, wide and loose.

Might be the standard height 60s he’s talking about, which is what I’d recommend before putting a riser on a low truck, to be honest. A riser is about 3mm, or roughly the difference between the AF1 standard and low, yeah?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 30, 2022, 09:37:41 AM
Correct standard AF1s. I've never messed with a low. I use risers most of the time, even with standards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shady Individual on April 30, 2022, 10:27:44 AM
Correct standard AF1s. I've never messed with a low. I use risers most of the time, even with standards.

Thanks for letting me know. Didn't even know they make them in a regular AF1 version, thought the 60 was a low only option.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 01, 2022, 07:32:01 AM
Does the AF-1 grind slow down once it is broken in? I got the AF-1 lows and my god, the grind is so slippery.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 01, 2022, 02:01:24 PM
I was one of the few that didn’t like the AF1’s when they came out. Bought some AF1 44’s from my local yesterday and decided to give them another shot. Left them stock, turn is great and still hair trigger quickness. Maybe yeah, more stable than the classics? Grind felt smooth this time around and not sticky like I had initially experienced. I doubt they changed the “molecular” formula but idk, maybe they did. Either way, I’m lovin it. They look better than classics and seems like they literally do not bend at all so that adds some peace of mind to them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 01, 2022, 05:27:42 PM
Does the AF-1 grind slow down once it is broken in? I got the AF-1 lows and my god, the grind is so slippery.

I find all brand new trucks have an unpredictable grind. Get them broken in. They will get better and better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 01, 2022, 10:47:59 PM
I thought the af1’s were more dense/harder…..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 01, 2022, 11:33:38 PM
They are
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
I’m coming off Ventures and in the park my lo’s are like…….weeeeeeeee!  Some mariokart shit….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 02, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
Yeah, my first session on my new 60s was a little wild on the steel coping grind but they didn't take long to get good. Something about this latest batch of AF1s feels better than the original... probably just me being so stoked on finally having 8.75"ers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on May 02, 2022, 08:14:06 PM
I only ride that longer DLX 8.6 shape and af1 55s have been working good but I'm kind of psyched to try some 60s now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 03, 2022, 08:13:49 AM
Did anyone's wheelbase preference change from classics to AF-1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 03, 2022, 08:17:11 AM
14.25WB on some AF1's is a wet dream
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 03, 2022, 12:27:21 PM
Update I'm in love with my 55 lows on 2.5mm mini logo risers. Almost same height as standards, but different weight and wheelbase and it just doesn't feel too high. Turning is incredible and it's impossible to wheelbite with stock washers, which feels weird at first but I like it now.

Currently on 8.3 krooked twin, 14.4 wheelbase, kinda steep kicks (II). 52mm Spit tablets.
With the right risers (or lack thereof) they might just work with any deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on May 05, 2022, 06:15:45 PM
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)

I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah

I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 05, 2022, 06:55:14 PM
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)

I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah

I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
if you’re going to get ace i’d recommend the AF1s! the grind will feel different but that turn is incredible. i wish ya luck :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 05, 2022, 06:55:54 PM
 I'd recommend trying Classics first to experience the turn. If you really like them, then go AF1 (slightly less turny, very slight)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cthunderw on May 05, 2022, 06:58:36 PM
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)

I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah

I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
I would go for it and if you hate them, try the ace bushings in the Indy trucks before completely writing them off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on May 05, 2022, 07:28:48 PM
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)

I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah

I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.

The QC on classics are lower than AF1s. If you are willing to accept the possibility of some wonkiness or bent trucks in return for the best turn ever, then go ahead (having said that, there are plenty of people, me included, who haven’t had any problems with their classics)

If you want the best possible experience with turn and QC, get the AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on May 05, 2022, 10:13:53 PM
Thank you all for the replies  :)

I always heard and saw people having issues with Ace somewhat frequently so I avoided them. However, I've skated on two boards with Ace for a couple minutes and it felt so strange and squirrely.. but I don't want to write them off.

 I think if I go for em, I'll need to give them proper attention. The Indy stability, grind, and carve feel like home, so if it's close to it but more turny, I think I can get down with it!

 I'll let yall know what I end up doing!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on May 05, 2022, 10:18:24 PM
To get my Indy’s loose and turny, they also get really tippy, like I’m balancing just on the kingpin.

Ace don’t have that, I can have a relatively stable center but it transitions into a beautiful turn smoothly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 06, 2022, 07:02:05 AM
I found the ultimate combo for AF1's. Stock bottom bushings with those Array sleeved washers, Ace aftermarket hard top bushings with no top washer. Insane turn, snap back to center is incredible.

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/9681/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washers

Sorry for the tease if you're interested in them, looks like out of stock :(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on May 06, 2022, 07:04:58 AM
I found the ultimate combo for AF1's. Stock bottom bushings with those Array sleeved washers, Ace aftermarket hard top bushings with no top washer. Insane turn, snap back to center is incredible.

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/9681/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washers

Sorry for the tease if you're interested in them, looks like out of stock :(
Race to amazon for the cheap version they're back in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TD05FQM?psc=1&smid=A2NUTIP4YG7D18&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 06, 2022, 09:14:55 AM
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I found the ultimate combo for AF1's. Stock bottom bushings with those Array sleeved washers, Ace aftermarket hard top bushings with no top washer. Insane turn, snap back to center is incredible.

https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/9681/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washers

Sorry for the tease if you're interested in them, looks like out of stock :(
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Race to amazon for the cheap version they're back in stock.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TD05FQM?psc=1&smid=A2NUTIP4YG7D18&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

I've been intrigued by this sort of washer since I noticed that my Ace Classic washers had scored up my original kingpin. Thanks for the heads up - I just ordered two pairs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 06, 2022, 10:08:27 AM
They turn any bushing into a Bones bushing basically, but since it's a metal washer, you don't have to worry about any plastic cores separating from the urethane.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on May 06, 2022, 12:57:25 PM
https://array-products.com/collections/array-products/products/05-array-barrel-washers-2

or

https://array-products.com/collections/array-products/products/01-array-cone-washers-2

or

https://array-products.com/products/04-array-cone-and-barrel-washer-pack-2-2?variant=18294905765955

I use stock washers everywhere but front truck top/roadside (bones flat filed about 1/3 thinner). I reshape top/roadside stock washer for the back truck to be a bit thinner with material removed from the outside edge (keeps washer from biting hanger while turning deep.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 11, 2022, 03:51:32 PM
The stock bushings on my AF1 60s have now hardened to perfection. Love having a truck I don't have to do anything with. I'm a few sessions in and the clicking just began but I will heed my own advice and let them continue to break in beyond the clicks.

May you all find your perfect truck very soon. I cannot tell you how much my quality of life has improved, going to bed at night knowing I will never again, toss and turn, sweat and cry over 1/4" of width... or thunder vs Ace. Stock bushings vs Krux (not to mention that scary NFG urethane wizard that is now grooming some of you). Namaste.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 11, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
see you in a month or two
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 11, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
not to mention that scary NFG urethane wizard that is now grooming some of you

Truly a urethane predator.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 12, 2022, 06:51:52 AM
see you in a month or two

BIG FAX
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on May 12, 2022, 07:25:50 AM
Counting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down

(https://i.imgur.com/Gp3EosS.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 12, 2022, 07:44:14 AM
Counting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down

(https://i.imgur.com/Gp3EosS.jpg)

Stick with the classics my dude...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on May 12, 2022, 07:50:06 AM
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Counting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down

(https://i.imgur.com/Gp3EosS.jpg)
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Stick with the classics my dude...

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  :(
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 12, 2022, 08:32:10 AM
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Counting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down

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Stick with the classics my dude...
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  :(

AF1 are good. Depending on what you like they might be slightly better or worse but overall there’s no huge differences so I’m sure you’ll be fine on the AF1s and after they’re done you can decide if you wanna stick with them or go back to Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 12, 2022, 08:55:14 AM
When you said you loved the Ace 44 classics and these were your favorite trucks ever, that was literally me. I tried the AF-1 and couldn't get over how the grind changed. If you love something stick with it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 12, 2022, 09:07:29 AM
Go try a set of ventures….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on May 12, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
When you said you loved the Ace 44 classics and these were your favorite trucks ever, that was literally me. I tried the AF-1 and couldn't get over how the grind changed. If you love something stick with it.

 :-\ god dammit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 12, 2022, 09:35:01 AM
Don't panic. It will be fine. Set your AF1s up, break them in proper and they will get good. Real good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 12, 2022, 10:14:32 AM
I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on May 12, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713

thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 12, 2022, 11:26:23 AM
The grind is fine. it’s all a personal preference, and it depends on what you skate. but you’re kidding yourself if you think it’s the exact same as a classic… They are different metal compounds, you can tell just by the finish and feel on the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 12, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
No one said the grind was the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 12, 2022, 02:31:09 PM
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.

this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TurdyBird on May 12, 2022, 11:19:35 PM
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 13, 2022, 01:28:40 AM
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...

Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I don’t think any other truck would have fared better.

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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to

Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I haven’t noticed a difference on other stuff either but I’m not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days you’re gliding along and sometimes you’re sticking like mad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on May 13, 2022, 02:00:50 AM
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
ace being popular on slap makes perfect sense
dont overthink it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 13, 2022, 06:25:44 AM
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)

Indys definitely have more material to grind down, making them last longer. The classics use a softer alloy too so they grind down a bit quicker. AF1 hangers last a bit longer than classics. If you're worried about longevity and usability in more situations, i would go indy. If you just wanna carve and have fun, go ace. If youre not 100% about that ACE experience, it can be cumbersome sometimes. But they are very fun, I keep them on my cruisers, but I had to take them off my regular setup to skate more consistently.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 13, 2022, 06:45:10 AM
riding my first set of aces after only riding indys for ~10 yrs

i notice they turn better and grind smoother on concrete

they also wear down really fast, i have the af1 55s

popped the top washer off and have a nice dent from 5-0s and feebles/smiths

i'd probably buy them again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 13, 2022, 07:34:08 AM
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)

If you need one truck to do it all, Indy is the way to go. I recently got my first pair of Ace AF1s and they are a ton of fun and the turn does feel great, but it isn’t SO much better than Indy and for me the grind on Indy is better. Other posters say Indy is much more durable as well.

I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 13, 2022, 07:58:25 AM

I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.

"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 13, 2022, 08:45:31 AM
Just wanna say that they definitely changed the alloy slightly with the newest AF1's because they are like gliding on ice. I didn't like them when they came out, but they're a totally different grind now. Better than classics and just as good as Indy. You can tell if they're newer if they look shinier and more polished and the bushings are very bright white compared to the off-white yellow ones that were on the earlier ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 13, 2022, 08:56:56 AM
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I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
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"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.

That makes a lot of sense and haven't seen anyone put it like that. Just that the grind is super "buttery".

I definitely seem to be in the minority but the AF1s just don't grind very well for me. However, I may just still be getting through that break in period and they'll really open up after a couple more sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on May 13, 2022, 09:18:52 AM
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
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Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I don’t think any other truck would have fared better.

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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
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Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I haven’t noticed a difference on other stuff either but I’m not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days you’re gliding along and sometimes you’re sticking like mad.
It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 13, 2022, 11:09:49 AM
I think we should celebrate never sliders….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on May 13, 2022, 11:50:55 AM
are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 13, 2022, 11:53:25 AM
are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.

the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 13, 2022, 12:40:24 PM
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I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
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"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.
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That makes a lot of sense and haven't seen anyone put it like that. Just that the grind is super "buttery".

I definitely seem to be in the minority but the AF1s just don't grind very well for me. However, I may just still be getting through that break in period and they'll really open up after a couple more sessions.

I prefer the grind on the classics, AF1s felt sticky to me. Indys grind better than both versions of Ace. I’m currently riding Indys with Ace bushings, so I get the Indy grind with a turn that’s comparable to Ace. It’s still not as stable on center or snappy as Ace, but still feels pretty good. I recommend this to anyone who goes back and forth between Indy and Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on May 13, 2022, 03:23:15 PM
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho

I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on May 13, 2022, 04:30:20 PM
These hard bushings are the only ones I've ever had that I don't need to break in.

Ive had some great sessions on these, learning flip tricks even.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on May 13, 2022, 10:51:01 PM
I've been enjoying a set of classics lately. Mostly slappies, mini ramp and cruising so they fit for my taste of skating atm. I dont know what clicked in my head but I was all into Af1s since they came out. I guess never put enough effort to break in the classics but I really love them now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 14, 2022, 12:54:34 AM
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
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Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I don’t think any other truck would have fared better.

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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. &#129300;

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
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Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I haven’t noticed a difference on other stuff either but I’m not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days you’re gliding along and sometimes you’re sticking like mad.
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It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!

You are right. I did pretty much only frontside and backside slappies, boardslides and flat ground & jumping up and down curbs back then. I used skateboarding as therapy. Bashing out the frustrations of daily work life being on secondment, working long days in a city where I knew no one and knew I wouldn’t stay. I just did my go tos and that’s it pretty much. Did try to work on my nose slides and crooks on occasion but this is the back truck so no signs of those here.

Anyway, I want diversify my bag of tricks and hopefully gain some more go tos when my back is healed enough to skate again. So maybe the next photo of my setup will have more diverse grooves and scratches.  :)

Also to the discussion about the weather resistance of Ace bushings I’d like to say that I find both Classics and AF1s to be 100% weather resistant which is great living in Finland where the temperatures vary from -30°C to +30°C.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 14, 2022, 07:32:58 AM
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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Post by: cucktard on May 14, 2022, 08:05:10 AM
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?

For me, definitely.

I’m not a great skater, and I have an extra hard time kick flipping on my Indy’s when they are loose enough to be carvy, it feels like I’m balancing on the kingpins.

On Aces I can ride them a touch tighter, but still get a better carve and less of a tippy feel. No problem kickflipping.

Well, no more than normal
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 14, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
I agree. Even bombing hills with loose Ace felt more secure than similarly tight Indy's. Ace really nailed the geometry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 16, 2022, 04:07:10 AM
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
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I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.

are you in the upper NE?

cold here hit different
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 16, 2022, 05:25:42 AM
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
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I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.
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are you in the upper NE?

cold here hit different

Moisture in the air exaggerates the feeling on both extremes for sure. I've lived in MD and UT, freezing in MD feels like 20 in UT, and 90 in MD feels like 100+ in UT

Any Chronic Madness patients have the scientific ability and tools to do a study on how temperature/humidity affects different bushings? that would be great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on May 16, 2022, 10:06:59 AM
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?

I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
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Post by: IpathCats on May 16, 2022, 10:18:20 AM
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

Very different situations here. Are aces more stable than ventures? def not. Are they more stable than indys? I think you could make that argument. Really boils down to how tight youre skating each truck, and your bushing setup. Indy vs Ace on stock tightness and bushings, I'd say ace are more stable on center. If you skate your trucks fairly loose, id say ace are more stable. If you like your trucks tighter, I think thats where indys might eventually be more stable. Idk if its due to the geometry or what, but i feel like tightening an indy a few turns makes a WAY bigger difference than tightening an Ace a few turns. You can get indys to the point of being damn near solid, but an Ace cranked down just as far will still turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 16, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

solid review, thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 16, 2022, 10:29:31 AM
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So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

I was actually surprised when I bought my aces that they did feel surprisingly stable on center. Maybe not *better* than Indy and definitely not venture, but it also depends on your set up. My Indy’s are really loose and definitely not as stable at center.

My aces are still basically new so maybe as the bushings wear in it’ll get less stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on May 16, 2022, 11:10:57 AM
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So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
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I was actually surprised when I bought my aces that they did feel surprisingly stable on center. Maybe not *better* than Indy and definitely not venture, but it also depends on your set up. My Indy’s are really loose and definitely not as stable at center.

My aces are still basically new so maybe as the bushings wear in it’ll get less stable.

2 years into my classic and my bushings have felt consistent.

Also loose indys vs ace stability doesnt compare, or else I would still be skating indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 16, 2022, 11:19:32 AM
Its a strange but one thing I notice when jumping back and fore between Indy and Ace was obviously Ace turn quicker and deeper but if you aren't turning (ie. "on center"), when bombing a hill or generally hauling, they feel more stable for sure. I would trust a loose Ace over a loose Indy on a sketchy hill bomb or giant transition. Might have something to do with being lower. Either way, they are never going to be as stable as a Thunder or a Venture.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 16, 2022, 11:47:42 AM
I think what you guys mean as "stable at the center" is that with ACEs, since they turn so much due to the geometry, you can have them quite tight and they still turn. Meanwhile with Ventures if you want them to turn you gotta loose the shit out of them and then they get way more wobbly than ACEs would to achieve the same turning radius.
Indy's the same but to a lesser degree.

I was riding Indy's on a mid tightness and I could turn what I needed, with Venture's I'm close to wobbly trucks to get a close turn. If I had ACEs on my current Venture tightness I would probably eat shit first push...  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on May 16, 2022, 11:55:37 AM
I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on May 16, 2022, 12:32:20 PM
I used to ride wobbly loose indys. Bones medium bushing in them and the kingpin and bolt got so ground down that I couldn’t change the tightness. Ironically it was my best skating I did on that setup and the most fun. Riding aces I don’t run them as loose but I still get the same turn if not better and a much more stable experience. Been enjoying aces recently more than ventures. I think with ventures they are stiffer and more stable but without the absorption of the ace turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 16, 2022, 12:32:43 PM
I commonly described aces as the opposite of thunder, stable on the top end of the turn/at neutral but the bottom end….you hook. 

I just started skating the lows which are a bit different but coming off ventures, it felt like there was minimal neutral ie, if you’re setting up, you’re on an edge. 

In comparison to an Indy which is a very predictable turning radius which is some stability but not neutral.  Venture is super neutral until you engage, then it’s just leaning….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 16, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
I used to ride wobbly loose indys. Bones medium bushing in them and the kingpin and bolt got so ground down that I couldn’t change the tightness. Ironically it was my best skating I did on that setup and the most fun. Riding aces I don’t run them as loose but I still get the same turn if not better and a much more stable experience. Been enjoying aces recently more than ventures. I think with ventures they are stiffer and more stable but without the absorption of the ace turn.

Are you on classics or af1s? Picking up some Ace after skating super loose Indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on May 16, 2022, 12:48:14 PM
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I used to ride wobbly loose indys. Bones medium bushing in them and the kingpin and bolt got so ground down that I couldn’t change the tightness. Ironically it was my best skating I did on that setup and the most fun. Riding aces I don’t run them as loose but I still get the same turn if not better and a much more stable experience. Been enjoying aces recently more than ventures. I think with ventures they are stiffer and more stable but without the absorption of the ace turn.
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Are you on classics or af1s? Picking up some Ace after skating super loose Indys

I have skated both, I prefer the feel of AF1. Don't know why but classics always have felt more squirrelly to me. I did do my. best slappy ever though on classics but I don't really feel like the grind is that different between the two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 16, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
I rode the Classics a while back and remember if I landed off center so as to make the truck initiate a turn then the board realllllly did turn instead of wiggle into a straight line. Or if I were rolling fakie/nollie towards a trick where you turn in a bit sometimes it was challenging to get the timing right. When I mean on center I mean that if I want to go straight or wiggle away from something the board snaps to stability there. I think this is something I associate more with Venture.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on May 16, 2022, 05:41:08 PM
On the debate about Ace or Indy being more stable on center, having ridden both, I can report that there is only one true answer: Theeve.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on May 16, 2022, 05:44:39 PM
Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)



For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 16, 2022, 08:54:12 PM
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?


I would be more thinking it would be down to bushings and ankle strength, but everyone has their opinions.

Bushings can make or break a deal with regard to how a truck works.  Mushy (or super soft) bushings just feel off, especially if you are not used to them, but more stable (eg harder) bushings will make any truck feel more stable, but it is also down to how much they are done up or how worn in they are too.

Ankle strength comes in to it when I see some people with completely loosey goosey / almost no bushings and still so balanced, whereas others might not even be able to skate medium loose trucks if they are not used to it.


Certain trucks are a lot easier to jump straight on and skate, but once bushings are worn in nicely, more often than not they will make for a more stable ride anyway, when compared to brand new first session, as I have found with stock bushings on both Ace trucks, Indy, Thunder and Venture, as well as others saying similar things about other brands of trucks too.

People who set up fresh trucks, then try to skate as usual right away often have more issues than if they took it easy and tried to wear in the bushings over a session or two, just rolling around and not going too big / too hard too soon.  I have had to swap out / change over a number of bushings from people who just didn't give any wear in time and the bushings almost always tend to blow out, but most can still be recycled back into other setups and still work well enough.


On the debate about Ace or Indy being more stable on center, having ridden both, I can report that there is only one true answer: Theeve.


Stock bushings in those trucks are a lot harder than most, so it is only natural that they don't give as much right from go, as per a few sets I have experienced and happily passed on to others.  Decent trucks, but just not what I wanted, but for those who are riding them and prefer a tighter truck, they are perfect.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 17, 2022, 06:23:56 AM
Did some slappies for the first time over the weekend on the new new AF1's and already ripped a pivot cup. I have extra AF1 pivot cups but if this is gonna happen every time I slappy, that's my major complaint thus far on these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 17, 2022, 06:35:32 AM
Did some slappies for the first time over the weekend on the new new AF1's and already ripped a pivot cup. I have extra AF1 pivot cups but if this is gonna happen every time I slappy, that's my major complaint thus far on these.

When did you get them? There were lots of pivot cup problems when they first released them. They send you new ones for free if you hit them up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 17, 2022, 07:25:08 AM
Mine are the latest versions for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on May 17, 2022, 07:41:36 AM
I got a hold of a set of the Riptide AF-1 cups and they're significantly harder than the stock cups. I still don't think AF-1s are for me, but they do make them feel more stable at center ala the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doublesteveburger on May 17, 2022, 08:11:46 AM
woah i had no idea that the pivot cup thing happened for other peeps, thought i was just bashing my nose into curbs too much


i've never had a pivot cup disintegrate on me like this before
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on May 17, 2022, 09:05:32 AM
Jack O’Grady officially on Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on May 17, 2022, 09:56:39 AM
Jack O’Grady officially on Ace


I’ve been wondering when they’d announce it. He’s been skating aces for the last little bit I’ve noticed. Good move for sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 17, 2022, 11:55:31 AM
I got a hold of a set of the Riptide AF-1 cups and they're significantly harder than the stock cups. I still don't think AF-1s are for me, but they do make them feel more stable at center ala the classics.

We must be exclusive. I emailed Tracey about when they'd hit the market and they're having trouble getting the mold right, so they're sending me a set to test for them 8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on May 17, 2022, 11:58:22 AM
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I got a hold of a set of the Riptide AF-1 cups and they're significantly harder than the stock cups. I still don't think AF-1s are for me, but they do make them feel more stable at center ala the classics.
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We must be exclusive. I emailed Tracey about when they'd hit the market and they're having trouble getting the mold right, so they're sending me a set to test for them 8)

I think you'll like them. I had the same issue with blowouts from slappies and these are much more durable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on May 17, 2022, 10:12:39 PM
Are Classics worth stocking up on? I don’t know if it’s just the shops that I’m around/look at online but it seems like AF1s are definitely the go to choice for shops now. Has Ace ever confirmed that the Classics will still be around for a long time to come?

Been trying to make my AF1s feel good but it just isn’t working. Back to Classic 44s and I want to make sure I can keep skating them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on May 17, 2022, 11:20:44 PM
I’m piss that the pivot cup on my 44” AF1’s ripped at the top edge. It also slightly warped the pivot hole of that baseplate. Chewed the top front truck bushing too. Ended up replacing the top bushing for the 94A Hard. Kept the stock bottom barrel. Supringly made the truck more stable and responsive and still kept the surfy feel. I feel like the stock tops were too soft. The replacement 94A Hard bushings didn’t need breaking in but stabilize the trucks instead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 18, 2022, 01:22:28 AM
Are Classics worth stocking up on? I don’t know if it’s just the shops that I’m around/look at online but it seems like AF1s are definitely the go to choice for shops now. Has Ace ever confirmed that the Classics will still be around for a long time to come?

Been trying to make my AF1s feel good but it just isn’t working. Back to Classic 44s and I want to make sure I can keep skating them.

Ace always said the classics won't go away, my local on the other hand said they're not getting any more classics. Might be their own choice though.

Pretty sure a lot of ace team riders are staying on classics so I think it's unlikely.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 18, 2022, 07:32:05 AM
I’m piss that the pivot cup on my 44” AF1’s ripped at the top edge. It also slightly warped the pivot hole of that baseplate. Chewed the top front truck bushing too. Ended up replacing the top bushing for the 94A Hard. Kept the stock bottom barrel. Supringly made the truck more stable and responsive and still kept the surfy feel. I feel like the stock tops were too soft. The replacement 94A Hard bushings didn’t need breaking in but stabilize the trucks instead.

Yeah man, I noticed my pivot cavity is now warped due to the same thing happening. So now I think any pivot cup I put in there will rip. Kinda having some truck madness again and debating going back to Indy for the inverted forged plates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 18, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
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Are Classics worth stocking up on? I don’t know if it’s just the shops that I’m around/look at online but it seems like AF1s are definitely the go to choice for shops now. Has Ace ever confirmed that the Classics will still be around for a long time to come?

Been trying to make my AF1s feel good but it just isn’t working. Back to Classic 44s and I want to make sure I can keep skating them.
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Ace always said the classics won't go away, my local on the other hand said they're not getting any more classics. Might be their own choice though.

Pretty sure a lot of ace team riders are staying on classics so I think it's unlikely.

Classics are everywhere online for dirt cheap. I bet Ace is being honest but also they just liquidated a shitton of Classics and will order more from China commiserate with the demand.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on May 20, 2022, 02:25:52 AM
Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)

Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)


For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on May 20, 2022, 07:39:47 AM
And which board are ventures  ???

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Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)

Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)


For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 20, 2022, 07:41:03 AM
And which board are ventures  ???

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Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)

Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)


For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?
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whichever board is in the trash
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on May 20, 2022, 07:42:01 AM

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Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)


For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?
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Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)
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And which board are ventures  ???

You tell me, I’ve never ridden them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 20, 2022, 07:43:23 AM
Let’s try something.

I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)



For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.

A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)

For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.

Does that make sense?

I've looked at this every day since you've posted it, and it still doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ride it to dust on May 20, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
So i’ve just a new pair of the 44 classics, first break-in session on them today and i noticed the bottom (and sometimes top) bushing was spewing out and over the side of the washer. Is this normal? Ive just put it down to them being so soft. Kept both nuts flush and stock. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 20, 2022, 12:53:15 PM
So i’ve just a new pair of the 44 classics, first break-in session on them today and i noticed the bottom (and sometimes top) bushing was spewing out and over the side of the washer. Is this normal? Ive just put it down to them being so soft. Kept both nuts flush and stock. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Unfortunately that really is normal. Mine only did it once, put it back in so the bushing doesn't get destroyed and it never happened again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ride it to dust on May 20, 2022, 01:03:08 PM
Thanks for the heads up, i thought that may have been the case. I noticed it more when trying slappy crooks. The board wouldn’t return to center as the side of the bushing was sitting ontop of the cup - it would squeeze out and i’d push the bulged material back in with the flat tip of my car key. Actually went to the trouble of removing the hanger halfway through and turning the bottom one upside down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 20, 2022, 01:26:17 PM
That's a very common problem with the Classics. The washers are too small and thick as hell also. Best thing you can do is chuck 'em and get some normal washers from the local if you don't happen to have an extra set. Much better turn and no bulging.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on May 20, 2022, 04:57:48 PM
As a first time potential Ace user converting from Indy's, if AF1's are the same price as classics, I should probably just by AF1 right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 20, 2022, 05:24:51 PM
As a first time potential Ace user converting from Indy's, if AF1's are the same price as classics, I should probably just by AF1 right?

Yeah, they also feel a bit more like an indy. Overall awesome trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on May 20, 2022, 08:46:51 PM
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As a first time potential Ace user converting from Indy's, if AF1's are the same price as classics, I should probably just by AF1 right?
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Yeah, they also feel a bit more like an indy. Overall awesome trucks

Cool. I'm looking for a quicker snap/pop so the shorter relative wheelbase and lower height are both trending to what I want
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 21, 2022, 05:54:33 PM
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on May 21, 2022, 07:46:52 PM
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.

I tried using bones as tops (all three flavors) with stock ace bottoms and found the hard bones/ace combo split my ace bushings. Also bones progressively compresses shorter over time and separates from the hard core.

Ace bottom bushings are pretty close to the same height as longboard bushings so anyone with the madness has plenty of bushing options.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on May 22, 2022, 03:51:33 AM
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.

When did after market bushings become a thing, when I started skating it sucked but you would just take the 2 weeks break in stock bushings and be good for 3 years.

I always hear "bones are great but they collapse after a few sessions in hot weather"

You boys are at the mercy of Big Bushing break in your stock bushings boys please.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 22, 2022, 11:22:33 AM
Picking up some Ace next weekend after 10 years on Indy's. I skate metal ledges and coping a lot and I like to groove in my trucks.

Do I get classics or AF1s? Im thinking classics personally because I feel like AF1s will take forever to groove on metal but maybe I'm tripping. Which grinds nicer on metal?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on May 22, 2022, 12:24:24 PM
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Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.
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When did after market bushings become a thing, when I started skating it sucked but you would just take the 2 weeks break in stock bushings and be good for 3 years.

I always hear "bones are great but they collapse after a few sessions in hot weather"

You boys are at the mercy of Big Bushing break in your stock bushings boys please.

I can agree with you to minimizing madness, but also I raise this: A handful  of truck companies do not sell conical shaped bushings stock in their truck (Indy, Venture, and Ace [I think] are examples. Usually it's the barrel bottom. Having some bushing flexibility in shape/durometer is nice to optimize the feel of the turn/stability. It's the one component that's integral to the overall feeling of a skateboard set up. Those aftermarkets could last ya 3 years as well and then you have stocks as back ups or to mix and match with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on May 22, 2022, 01:41:51 PM
Picking up some Ace next weekend after 10 years on Indy's. I skate metal ledges and coping a lot and I like to groove in my trucks.

Do I get classics or AF1s? Im thinking classics personally because I feel like AF1s will take forever to groove on metal but maybe I'm tripping. Which grinds nicer on metal?

If we’re taking metal like metal coping, it’s the classics. Not even close comparison. I got some AF-1 lows recently and the harder metal was like ice on the coping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on May 22, 2022, 05:48:05 PM
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.

That’s the Russ Pope special. He runs that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 22, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
Picking up some Ace next weekend after 10 years on Indy's. I skate metal ledges and coping a lot and I like to groove in my trucks.

Do I get classics or AF1s? Im thinking classics personally because I feel like AF1s will take forever to groove on metal but maybe I'm tripping. Which grinds nicer on metal?


It also depends on what size truck you want, given they don't actually have all sizes right through both styles.

If you ride an 8.5 board, I found the Classic 44 just a bit too narrow, but they worked well on an 8.25 board, whereas the AF1 55 was really good for board to truck width on my 8.38 and 8.5 decks.

Not to discount what others have said, but some people like that slick (always waxy) feeling on coping, even though I skated both types on my ramp (no wax) and they both felt good on metal coping.

If price is an issue, you can pick up Classics for a whole lot less usually, but if performance is preferred, the AF1 seems to hold up better than the Classics.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on May 22, 2022, 11:33:39 PM
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Okay. I ended up rotating my baseplate so that I can use the old pivot cup bushing from the back truck. So it blew again after a 30 min. Slappy session. So now both my pivot holes on both baseplates are warped. I did have this issue back on the classic V2’s but then again I was doing slappy’s around that time where i would pinch and wouldn’t even get full lock on top the curb but more of a weird cross-lock pinch during slappy where my front truck isn’t all the way locked into the curb but hanging more on one side and staying pinched. I think the culprit this time is the radial full wheels being too wide for the current smaller sizing of the hanger for AF1 44’s. Hence it has a deeper/higher/more gap between truck to bottom surface of the wheel as opposed to having more truck space to sit the hanger right where it’s not pinched and not have to put the truck in a cranked pinched position while on grind. This combo just shred’s and chews the lip of the pivot cup bushing and circumsize’s the pivot cup bushing lip/edges, giving the pivot hole a quarter of space after it rips it apart. It will then give the pivot point more play when it turns or stay in that pinched position(depending on size of the wheel) hence why the pivot hole on the baseplate to warp. shit is irritating and i want to receive replacement pivot cup bushings from Ace. I’ve already bought a set of AF1 pivot cup bushings which are $7 a set. They’re already expensive as it is and I expected more from a high quality urethane pivot cup bushings. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 23, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: YeoWhattup on May 23, 2022, 01:02:54 PM
Anyone here rock classic 55s on 8.5s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on May 23, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...

You’re hooked. You’ll be back.  :)

I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 23, 2022, 02:54:03 PM
Shame some of you have such bad luck with the pivot cups. Every time I read this thread I check my Aces for cup damage and keep thinking its bound to happen but nope... and I'm a heavy bastard that loves to smash his trucks into things...

 I have AF1 55s, 60s and 66s set up at the moment and so far no damage... touch wood...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 23, 2022, 03:36:46 PM
Anyone who wants to give up on Ace is welcome to give their AF1s to me for proper testing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on May 23, 2022, 05:15:25 PM
I had pivot cup problems on the first AF1s, they sent replacements and have been fine since. Indy Ti axles slipped and those were also replaced. At least both companies have great customer service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on May 23, 2022, 05:43:17 PM
I had pivot cup problems on the first AF1s, they sent replacements and have been fine since. Indy Ti axles slipped and those were also replaced. At least both companies have great customer service.

Did they send you a replacement pivot cup bushing or baseplate? Was the issue from the pivot cup bushing or the baseplate? This set was actually from the first batch of AF1’s that came out on release week. Just sat on them up until now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on May 23, 2022, 06:20:38 PM
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I had pivot cup problems on the first AF1s, they sent replacements and have been fine since. Indy Ti axles slipped and those were also replaced. At least both companies have great customer service.
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Did they send you a replacement pivot cup bushing or baseplate? Was the issue from the pivot cup bushing or the baseplate? This set was actually from the first batch of AF1’s that came out on release week. Just sat on them up until now.

I just had the pivot cups tear, and it did not cause any baseplate damage like others had, so just the cups is what I got. Also from the first batch.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DarkPools on May 23, 2022, 11:42:44 PM
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I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
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You’re hooked. You’ll be back.  :)

I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.

Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2022, 03:29:58 AM
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I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
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You’re hooked. You’ll be back.  :)

I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.
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Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?


I feel like most pro brand trucks had significant issues, axle slip being one of them, but none of my Stage 9, 10 or 11 have had any of those kind of issues the way some of the older versions did.  Come to think of it no pro brand trucks have had axle slip at all in more recent years.

Seen axle bend, hanger break, and only one kingpin break in the last few years.


Maybe Ace has had the most issues with product and parts, apart from Lurpiv trucks, from all brands I have seen and heard of in modern times, or at least that seems to be how it comes across on Slap, but even then, it is still only a small percentage of all trucks produced.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 24, 2022, 05:09:42 AM
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I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
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You’re hooked. You’ll be back.  :)

I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.
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Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?

Oh yeah. Tapping axles back to center was common on basically every truck I skated throughout the 90s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 24, 2022, 05:35:18 AM
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I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
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You’re hooked. You’ll be back.  :)

I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.
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Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?

Ben made a video about the stage 7 and brings up axel slip so Indy must have fixed it by stage 8/9

https://youtu.be/EvZkzgOpOQ4
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on May 25, 2022, 02:14:31 PM
Well, after ditching my Ace AF1’s for a while to try lighter trucks (Thunder and Indy Titanium), I gave them another try on my new deck with a slightly shorter wheelbase. I think I’m hooked again.

Are my pops higher than with other trucks? No.
Are my flip tricks going better? No.
Do they feel more stable? Yes.

Although it’s not a perfect truck for me, I just like my board best with Aces setup. For me, Ace trucks are like a girl who is not ‘your type’, but somehow you still most enjoy spending time with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on May 25, 2022, 11:35:24 PM
Shame some of you have such bad luck with the pivot cups. Every time I read this thread I check my Aces for cup damage and keep thinking its bound to happen but nope... and I'm a heavy bastard that loves to smash his trucks into things...

 I have AF1 55s, 60s and 66s set up at the moment and so far no damage... touch wood...

Same here, no issues except the occasional clicking on AF1s. I have four sets of Aces atm. I've put some heavy stress on my Classics lately but they just keep going.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on May 26, 2022, 03:29:29 AM
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Shame some of you have such bad luck with the pivot cups. Every time I read this thread I check my Aces for cup damage and keep thinking its bound to happen but nope... and I'm a heavy bastard that loves to smash his trucks into things...

 I have AF1 55s, 60s and 66s set up at the moment and so far no damage... touch wood...
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Same here, no issues except the occasional clicking on AF1s. I have four sets of Aces atm. I've put some heavy stress on my Classics lately but they just keep going.

I'm 250 now but even at 300 I wasn't blowing out my pivot cups. Are the pivot cups bad or are you guys jamming into slappies to heavy.

I also ride my trucks pretty loose but haven't had this clicking issue ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on May 26, 2022, 04:04:04 AM
my shop just got in these really sick metallic highlighter gold Ace 60s (8.75") hollow kp

if they made a 55 of this i'd try, i loved my indy hollows
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 05, 2022, 05:21:58 AM
Has anyone else noticed that the anodized AF1 truck smell like sulfur as you grind away at the anodized part? I suspect I'll get through the color on the baseplate and it won't happen any longer.

I'm a few sessions in on the AF1s and they're great. The grind, the turn, everything. Honestly, it doesn't feel too much different from the Classics - I don't notice a huge difference, except that the overall appearance and quality of the truck seems to be improved. I keep checking the pivot cup to see if it's getting damaged, but it's chugging along just fine. They finally started clicking yesterday, but it's intermittent and usually only with a really deep turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on June 05, 2022, 07:54:25 PM
my shop just got in these really sick metallic highlighter gold Ace 60s (8.75") hollow kp

if they made a 55 of this i'd try, i loved my indy hollows
Tactics has hollows in multiple sizes, but they’re lows…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on June 05, 2022, 08:17:06 PM
I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 05, 2022, 08:25:30 PM
I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.

44 classics are nice if you swap your boards up between 8.25 and 8.5, I always liked that the felt at home on any setup in that range. Never been a fan of 8.5 trucks on 8.25 boards, idk how so many people like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 05, 2022, 08:35:24 PM
I know someone running 169s on an 8.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 05, 2022, 08:50:04 PM
I know someone running 169s on an 8.25

Ouch. I know plenty of people are into some hot rod, but that sounds like hell to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 05, 2022, 09:40:16 PM
I know someone running 169s on an 8.25

Pics of this travesty
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on June 06, 2022, 04:13:02 AM
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I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.
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44 classics are nice if you swap your boards up between 8.25 and 8.5, I always liked that the felt at home on any setup in that range. Never been a fan of 8.5 trucks on 8.25 boards, idk how so many people like that.

I'm actually running 8.63-8.75 deck with them, slight magic carpet but I love this setup!

I can't do 8.25 for some weird mental reason I'm sure everybody in this thread can relate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 06, 2022, 04:55:17 AM
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I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.
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44 classics are nice if you swap your boards up between 8.25 and 8.5, I always liked that the felt at home on any setup in that range. Never been a fan of 8.5 trucks on 8.25 boards, idk how so many people like that.
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I'm actually running 8.63-8.75 deck with them, slight magic carpet but I love this setup!

I can't do 8.25 for some weird mental reason I'm sure everybody in this thread can relate.

Some wide wheels and washers on the inside and I'm sure it's not too bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 06, 2022, 07:10:22 AM
I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.

44 Classics and the 8.5 AF1 are the exact same hanger width, how are they feeling too wide?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 06, 2022, 08:53:05 AM
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I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.
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44 Classics and the 8.5 AF1 are the exact same hanger width, how are they feeling too wide?

Axel width
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 06, 2022, 08:54:32 AM
Axel width doesn't impact performance but can look annoying if it is too far off deck width and perhaps be scary for the primo prone.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 06, 2022, 09:49:20 AM
Axel width doesn't impact performance but can look annoying if it is too far off deck width and perhaps be scary for the primo prone.

Your foot can get caught on it while pushing and such if it's really far off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 06, 2022, 10:06:34 AM
True.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on June 06, 2022, 11:16:34 AM
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I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.

The 8.25 are too small

The 8.50 are too wide

The 8.35 is just right.
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44 Classics and the 8.5 AF1 are the exact same hanger width, how are they feeling too wide?

The 44 classics are 8.35 and don't come in 8.5

If I'm skating a deck the exact same width as the hangers it feels gross and has a weird tipping point for flip tricks

I was hyped when the 8.25 hangers came out but I couldn't skate them at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 06, 2022, 11:22:05 AM
Hanger width Vs Axle width. Very different thing. Af1 55s vs Classic 44s have a very similar HANGER width.

You will likely never skate a hangers the same width as your deck.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 06, 2022, 11:28:57 AM
Hanger width Vs Axle width. Very different thing. Af1 55s vs Classic 44s have a very similar HANGER width.

You will likely never skate a hangers the same width as your deck.

the ultimate hot rod. though @LebowskisRug was just mentioning someone running 169s on an 8.25, probably pretty close
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on June 06, 2022, 11:38:21 AM
Hanger width Vs Axle width. Very different thing. Af1 55s vs Classic 44s have a very similar HANGER width.

You will likely never skate a hangers the same width as your deck.


Oh I see the AXLES feel gross in 8.25 as well as 8.50

8.35 44 classics AXLES are the last truck I buy

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 11, 2022, 11:04:59 AM
Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.

This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 11, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

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I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
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This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?

I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.

Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 11, 2022, 11:19:00 AM
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Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

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I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
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This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
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I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.

Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?

I'd say it's a little bit tighter than being flush, this is stock. Maybe I should back em off a turn?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/985246024358576178/IMG_20220611_191533_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 11, 2022, 11:24:22 AM
Mine look exactly the same, but definitely try it.
I'd try it the tech support way and just take them apart and reassemble them again, expecting that it fixes everything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 11, 2022, 11:28:47 AM
Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

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I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
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This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?

This was my experience and I’m 40 pounds heavier than you. I was expecting them to be crazy loose stock and they were extremely stable. They turn fairly nice for me if I lean into them, but that’s probably just the extra weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on June 11, 2022, 02:41:28 PM
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Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

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I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
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This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
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I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.

Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?
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I'd say it's a little bit tighter than being flush, this is stock. Maybe I should back em off a turn?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/985246024358576178/IMG_20220611_191533_1.jpg)

I’m not at home right now to check, but that top washer looks deeper/more cupped than what I remember, which could make them feel tighter. If you have a washer that’s more flat, give that a go and see if it helps. What you’re describing does seem way off for AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 12, 2022, 03:40:20 AM
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Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.

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I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
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This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
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I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.

Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?
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I'd say it's a little bit tighter than being flush, this is stock. Maybe I should back em off a turn?


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I’m not at home right now to check, but that top washer looks deeper/more cupped than what I remember, which could make them feel tighter. If you have a washer that’s more flat, give that a go and see if it helps. What you’re describing does seem way off for AF1s.

Hm, good point. I have a bunch of flat washers laying around that I would've put on eventually but I prefer to break in as stock - will throw them on and report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on June 12, 2022, 10:45:33 AM
Hm, good point. I have a bunch of flat washers laying around that I would've put on eventually but I prefer to break in as stock - will throw them on and report back.

Here’s what came stock on all mine for reference; thick and pretty flat.

(https://i.ibb.co/18B4FpK/319-D0485-00-DB-4-F8-F-81-E1-DA813-F287-B08.jpg) (https://ibb.co/18B4FpK)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 10:42:47 AM
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 11:14:19 AM
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.

lmfao, I have always thought this too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on June 14, 2022, 11:16:20 AM
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.

do any truck companies have stock tension? seems like some snake oil
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2022, 11:20:45 AM
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I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.
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do any truck companies have stock tension? seems like some snake oil

Not to my knowledge. I feel like skaters just use the term to describe how they are when they buy them, but i seriously doubt a single one of these companies has a stock torque spec. can you imagine a line of guys with little torque wrenches at the end of the assembly line?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 11:25:21 AM
There's basically zero chance that it's anything other than a person with an air hammer and a 3/8" socket bit giving them a little "wiiiizzzz" before tossing them into a bag.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on June 14, 2022, 11:57:25 AM
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.
I actually had to loosen mine up from "stock" in order to get them to where i liked they.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 14, 2022, 01:53:41 PM
**DON'T MESS WITH THE FACTORY SETTINGS**
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on June 14, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
I thought you had to skate the classics "stock" because if you tightened them before the bushings broke in they'd crack or something?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 14, 2022, 02:09:45 PM
LOL. Yeah leaving the kingpin nut where it is from the factory is absolutely criminal. It's usually too tight and compressing the bushings too much. Sometimes the stock bushings could even be defective or something, and the culprit for them blowing out early. I take them apart and inspect the bushings, washers, and pivots, then put it all back together and tighten it juuuust enough to where I can't spin the bottom washer with my fingers anymore. Then a couple small turns to secure it even more.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on June 14, 2022, 11:49:09 PM
I just threw in some riptides in my classics. absolutely love the way these feel now. I already loved classics, but damn this is a whole other level.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 15, 2022, 12:17:02 AM
I mean both of my trucks seemed exact in terms of how far the nut was tightened down (basically flush), but as @intendedreceivers mentioned it seemed my washers were deeper/more cupped which led to them not feeling as they should. I swapped them for flat ones, tightened to flush and now they feel exactly how I expected them to, fucking beautiful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on June 15, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
Don’t know if anyone cares but Tom Penny is setup with aces on his ig story right now. Thought it was kinda cool
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 15, 2022, 05:36:09 AM
Don’t know if anyone cares but Tom Penny is setup with aces on his ig story right now. Thought it was kinda cool

Oh, I def care about that. interesting move tbh, the lower trucks and lighter popfeel might be helping him get those flip tricks in his older age with old legs.

Flip tricks took less effort for me on aces, but they were kinda sloppy and not as high as they are for me on other trucks.

Just my personal experience.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on June 15, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
Whenever I kickflip it doesnt feel like the board sucks up to me feet and its hard to stomp it down, but they always look better than they feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on June 15, 2022, 08:55:44 AM
AF1 33's in the mail for my 8 inch board. $29.95 CAN per truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 15, 2022, 09:09:40 AM
I have been the dickhead exhorting/online bullying people to keep their trucks stock. I would offer this advice after someone would post about how they got (usually aces) new trucks, cranked the ratfuck outta their bushings, and then the bushings were screwed up, bulging, what have you.
Bushings feel like they’ve gotten so much better, even in the last 10ish years. I prefer to keep all of my (too many) trucks with the stock parts these days. I do adjust the kingpin tightness, but try and and do that very little, for the first week of riding the trucks. My recent venture 5.8s came very tightened, like multiple threads showing.
Anyways, I apologize for pushing the ‘keep ‘em stock’ dogma. Uncool on my part.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 15, 2022, 09:24:55 AM
I don't think anyone is saying that you should or should not run the trucks stock - do whatever you want. I was just saying that the "stock tightness" thing is obviously a myth because there's no "stock" tightness. Someone at the factory is just slapping a nut on there and sometimes it's like two threads deep and sometimes it's finger tight, so you should definitely adjust them to your preference when they're new.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 15, 2022, 10:10:47 AM
My starting point with all new trucks is nut flush. I try them with the nut flush and then get crazy for a day or two with bushings, waxing the pivot, risers, no risers etc... unit I can make them feel good nut flush. Once they feel decent nut flush, the break-in period can commence properly.

For what its worth with AF1s all I did was wax the pivot, and have them slightly tighter than nut-flush perhaps (one thread showing) and they were perfect with stock bushings especially after  week or two worth of break in.

That is until my board rolled through a puddle. I've never experienced this before but wet bushings/ pivot cups made the trucks insanely loose. After they dried out they were fine again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 15, 2022, 10:17:06 AM
My starting point with all new trucks is nut flush. I try them with the nut flush and then get crazy for a day or two with bushings, waxing the pivot, risers, no risers etc... unit I can make them feel good nut flush. Once they feel decent nut flush, the break-in period can commence properly.

For what its worth with AF1s all I did was wax the pivot, and have them slightly tighter than nut-flush perhaps (one thread showing) and they were perfect with stock bushings especially after  week or two worth of break in.

That is until my board rolled through a puddle. I've never experienced this before but wet bushings/ pivot cups made the trucks insanely loose. After they dried out they were fine again.

This just happened to me for the first time this week! my board has rolled through plenty of puddles in the past and i never noticed anything like this before. weird seeing you mention it after just having experienced it myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on June 18, 2022, 01:36:41 PM
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 19, 2022, 06:10:27 AM
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??

Cannot speak to the old one, but I just got the newest new AF-1s (the blue and orange anodized ones) and they grind beautifully. As least as good at the Indy 144 Standards I had before them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 19, 2022, 06:22:48 AM
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??

I got one from the first release and one from the most recent one, they're exactly the same. They were never sticky, just harder than classics and people really really wanted to talk shit on them for some reason when they first came out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 19, 2022, 07:58:54 AM
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??

I think it just has to do with preferences ( and talking shit like the other person said). I got a pair of AF1s recently after only riding Indy and thunder and it took me a while to get comfortable grinding on them. It did feel a little sticky at first but once I got a bit of groove going it was fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 19, 2022, 09:24:15 AM
As everyone above said. I had some of the fist batch and recently got some 60s. They feel the same and start grading better once you have worn them in. The main thing to notice is how much more durable they are than Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Yeah, I’m guessing compared to classics, they grind worse, but compared to any other truck they grind well…..

I remember seeing people burn through classics in weeks…..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 20, 2022, 04:00:34 AM
What are your guys preferences for wheelbase on AF1's, especially those on 8.5's? When I mentioned I was making the switch to Ace's someone told me to be wary of wheelbase but I can't remember who or what the general rule of thumb is. I was skating Venture 5.6s on 8.5's with 14.5 wb's and my flat game was prolly the best it's ever been despite the fact I'd read Venture's pair up better with a shorter wb. On an 8.5 14.5 WB with 44 AF1's atm and my flat has gone to shit though it could also be the fact I jumped to full new setup and I'm still recovering from a fucked ankle so I don't have as much power as I'd like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 20, 2022, 07:32:38 AM
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I think it just has to do with preferences ( and talking shit like the other person said). I got a pair of AF1s recently after only riding Indy and thunder and it took me a while to get comfortable grinding on them. It did feel a little sticky at first but once I got a bit of groove going it was fine

I had AF1's when they first came out and they 100% grinded like shit. I scooped the newest batch of 44's around beginning of spring/summer this year and they grind like they have ice in the alloy, they are amazing. Something definitely changed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on June 20, 2022, 07:42:14 AM
Ive got af1 from when they just became available and I have no complaints regarding how they grind.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on June 20, 2022, 08:04:58 AM
What are your guys preferences for wheelbase on AF1's, especially those on 8.5's? When I mentioned I was making the switch to Ace's someone told me to be wary of wheelbase but I can't remember who or what the general rule of thumb is. I was skating Venture 5.6s on 8.5's with 14.5 wb's and my flat game was prolly the best it's ever been despite the fact I'd read Venture's pair up better with a shorter wb. On an 8.5 14.5 WB with 44 AF1's atm and my flat has gone to shit though it could also be the fact I jumped to full new setup and I'm still recovering from a fucked ankle so I don't have as much power as I'd like.
If you liked ventures on a 14.5, I wouldn’t recommend sizing down. If you’re riding flat decks, maybe consider riding something a little steeper but I’d wait till you’ve acclimated a little to the trucks before changing boards. For me, usually just tweaking my back foot’s position when popping gets me comfortable. I usually come off the tip a little and pop more in the middle of the tail, keeping my foot closer to the pocket.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 20, 2022, 09:28:56 AM
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I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??
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I think it just has to do with preferences ( and talking shit like the other person said). I got a pair of AF1s recently after only riding Indy and thunder and it took me a while to get comfortable grinding on them. It did feel a little sticky at first but once I got a bit of groove going it was fine
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I had AF1's when they first came out and they 100% grinded like shit. I scooped the newest batch of 44's around beginning of spring/summer this year and they grind like they have ice in the alloy, they are amazing. Something definitely changed.

Definitely, and like I said my only comparison points were Thunders (which are pretty well known as being softer) and my super broken in Indys so of course brand new AF1s weren't going to feel like they grinded as well. There was just an adjustment period and it took a couple of curb sessions for me to really feel like they were grinding well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 20, 2022, 11:00:02 AM
14.38 wheelbase is a sweet spot I think, for both classics and AF1's. I'm noticing now 14-14.25 has me a little more sketch doing certain stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MalHuis on June 22, 2022, 02:11:00 AM
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What are your guys preferences for wheelbase on AF1's, especially those on 8.5's? When I mentioned I was making the switch to Ace's someone told me to be wary of wheelbase but I can't remember who or what the general rule of thumb is. I was skating Venture 5.6s on 8.5's with 14.5 wb's and my flat game was prolly the best it's ever been despite the fact I'd read Venture's pair up better with a shorter wb. On an 8.5 14.5 WB with 44 AF1's atm and my flat has gone to shit though it could also be the fact I jumped to full new setup and I'm still recovering from a fucked ankle so I don't have as much power as I'd like.
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If you liked ventures on a 14.5, I wouldn’t recommend sizing down. If you’re riding flat decks, maybe consider riding something a little steeper but I’d wait till you’ve acclimated a little to the trucks before changing boards. For me, usually just tweaking my back foot’s position when popping gets me comfortable. I usually come off the tip a little and pop more in the middle of the tail, keeping my foot closer to the pocket.

I agree with the above. Just had my first slow session on dlx 8.38, 14.5 and af1 55s. Coming from pstix 8.25 and thunders. Defs less explosive pop but more floaty. Just try and get used to the timing as its significantly different but you can get the same yield with the correct technique.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 22, 2022, 03:04:30 AM
good shit, will keep that in mind. definitely an adjustment period (went from 8.5/14.5, 5.6 ventures and prolly 48s to 8.5/14.5, af1 44s and 55mms) but i see what you mean about floatyness, seems like certain tricks literally float up - caught me off guard at first. definitely enjoying them so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 26, 2022, 08:26:01 AM
What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaderSk8r on June 26, 2022, 10:53:23 AM
Cyrus tagged ace in his newest post on ig,
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CfRvWaIMm_l/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 26, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
14.38 wheelbase is a sweet spot I think, for both classics and AF1's. I'm noticing now 14-14.25 has me a little more sketch doing certain stuff.

+1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 26, 2022, 08:18:09 PM
What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...


I think these two links cover it best.


https://www.acetrucks.com/faq

https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***


*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on June 26, 2022, 10:01:00 PM
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14.38 wheelbase is a sweet spot I think, for both classics and AF1's. I'm noticing now 14-14.25 has me a little more sketch doing certain stuff.
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Agreed. I was on 14.5 for a minute but 14.38 really dialed it in. Side note as someone who said they would never switch from classics, I’m loving the Af1 55s
+1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 27, 2022, 02:41:04 AM
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What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
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I think these two links cover it best.


https://www.acetrucks.com/faq

https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***


*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.

Ah thanks for that, submitted! Bit worried as there's a few factors playing into it. One being I'd purchased 44 classics and not AF1 but my local had a stock issue and just swapped them for AF1's instead (nice guys) but technically I only have a receipt for classics, not AF1's. Second, if you skip back a page or two when I initially got my AF1's, they seemed to not be performing as expected, which a user pointed out my top washer seemed deeper/more cupped (maybe defective/wrong size) and after swapping them with flat washers, the truck performed as expected, atleast up until the bushing and pivot cup decided to explode. Even with changing washers, I don't think 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating (coming back off an injury atm) should cause this:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/990656427649544192/IMG_20220626_162748.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/990632284849844314/IMG_20220626_155843.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 27, 2022, 03:07:27 AM
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What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
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I think these two links cover it best.


https://www.acetrucks.com/faq

https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***


*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.
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Ah thanks for that, submitted! Bit worried as there's a few factors playing into it. One being I'd purchased 44 classics and not AF1 but my local had a stock issue and just swapped them for AF1's instead (nice guys) but technically I only have a receipt for classics, not AF1's. Second, if you skip back a page or two when I initially got my AF1's, they seemed to not be performing as expected, which a user pointed out my top washer seemed deeper/more cupped (maybe defective/wrong size) and after swapping them with flat washers, the truck performed as expected, atleast up until the bushing and pivot cup decided to explode. Even with changing washers, I don't think 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating (coming back off an injury atm) should cause this:




Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?

I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.

The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.


Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 27, 2022, 05:46:11 AM
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What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
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I think these two links cover it best.


https://www.acetrucks.com/faq

https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***


*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.
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Ah thanks for that, submitted! Bit worried as there's a few factors playing into it. One being I'd purchased 44 classics and not AF1 but my local had a stock issue and just swapped them for AF1's instead (nice guys) but technically I only have a receipt for classics, not AF1's. Second, if you skip back a page or two when I initially got my AF1's, they seemed to not be performing as expected, which a user pointed out my top washer seemed deeper/more cupped (maybe defective/wrong size) and after swapping them with flat washers, the truck performed as expected, atleast up until the bushing and pivot cup decided to explode. Even with changing washers, I don't think 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating (coming back off an injury atm) should cause this:


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Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?

I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.

The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.


Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.

Not exactly sure what you mean by pushed out, here's some better pictures for reference though.

(https://i.imgur.com/8d1mgVA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3YYy3mk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zwqLr0v.jpg)

Slappy thing makes sense considering I'm coming back off a rolled ankle and all I've really done for the last week or so is mostly slappy noseslides. Still kinda shitty though considering my Venture's were sliding on the actual pivot cup for the last few weeks of their use and didn't give up the ghost, and these have fucked up within 2 weeks.

(https://i.imgur.com/Xydf3f6.jpg)

update: ace are gonna warranty me another set through my local  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 27, 2022, 09:09:31 AM
What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...

Seems like this is covered already but I emailed them with a warranty issue and I got super friendly, quick customer service. They asked where I bought the trucks, but never requested a receipt, and a well worn but bent set of Classic 44s were replaced quickly with AF-1 44s, no issue. Much better service than I’ve received more or less anywhere else in the skateboard industry.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 27, 2022, 09:29:38 AM
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What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
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Seems like this is covered already but I emailed them with a warranty issue and I got super friendly, quick customer service. They asked where I bought the trucks, but never requested a receipt, and a well worn but bent set of Classic 44s were replaced quickly with AF-1 44s, no issue. Much better service than I’ve received more or less anywhere else in the skateboard industry.

Yeah I dropped them a message this morning UK time and got a response an hour back, they're going to warranty them through their UK distro/my local shop :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on June 27, 2022, 10:10:17 AM
ace customer service didn't even reply when i sent them an email regarding bent axles on a pair of aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 27, 2022, 10:15:50 AM
ace customer service didn't even reply when i sent them an email regarding bent axles on a pair of aces.

They can only answer so many emails about bent axels on classics each day. I'm sure there was a full time jobs worth of that before the af1's came out. haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 27, 2022, 10:22:44 AM
ace customer service didn't even reply when i sent them an email regarding bent axles on a pair of aces.

I’d just send a follow-up email. If their warranty person’s work email is anything like mine, stuff slips through the cracks with some regularity.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 27, 2022, 03:02:29 PM
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Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?

I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.

The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.


Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.
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Not exactly sure what you mean by pushed out, here's some better pictures for reference though.


Slappy thing makes sense considering I'm coming back off a rolled ankle and all I've really done for the last week or so is mostly slappy noseslides. Still kinda shitty though considering my Venture's were sliding on the actual pivot cup for the last few weeks of their use and didn't give up the ghost, and these have fucked up within 2 weeks.

update: ace are gonna warranty me another set through my local  :)


Great news for you then!


I had seen a number of pivot cup areas on the baseplate had been pushed out by the hanger, so instead of the nice round hole, the pivot cup and hanger were sitting in an oval shaped hole, where the side of the baseplate had been pushed out, as per a number of earlier AF1 warranty claims people had posted earlier in this thread.

Hadn't seen it more recently though, so I was wondering if the shop had these from the first lot that did have all those issues back when they first came out.  It seemed like it was most commonly related to slappy crooks, not that the force and truck pinch should ever cause that sort of damage on near new trucks.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 27, 2022, 06:16:23 PM
I just got some brand new AF-1s (the ones with the cool colors), and I've been skating them exclusively, and I do *a lot* of slappy crooks. Every now and then I think to check out the pivot cups and make sure nothing has happened, and thus far everything is great. I honestly have no complaints about these trucks, I think they are absolutely great. I certainly hope that they don't fail, but for now I am operating under the assumption that Ace has sorted out whatever kinks this truck may have had early in its life.

I honestly couldn't be happier with my Ace AF-1 44s. Super solid, a great truck for anyone coming form Independent or looking for a truck with more "character" and carve.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on June 27, 2022, 06:41:36 PM
I just got some brand new AF-1s (the ones with the cool colors), and I've been skating them exclusively, and I do *a lot* of slappy crooks. Every now and then I think to check out the pivot cups and make sure nothing has happened, and thus far everything is great. I honestly have no complaints about these trucks, I think they are absolutely great. I certainly hope that they don't fail, but for now I am operating under the assumption that Ace has sorted out whatever kinks this truck may have had early in its life.

I honestly couldn't be happier with my Ace AF-1 44s. Super solid, a great truck for anyone coming form Independent or looking for a truck with more "character" and carve.

same with my af 55s. slappy crook is a pivot cup and bushing destroyer. before I switched to ace from thunder i just accepted I would be destroying pivot cup and bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on June 27, 2022, 10:08:32 PM
I'm about 3-4 sessions in on some AF1 55s, after 3 years on Ventures only (minus a brief stint on lurpivs and like two sessions on some thunders) and I'm pretty happy so far.

They're quite stable on center, more than I expected. The recessed wheelbase hasn't thrown me off too much, though when I land a bit off center the hangers articulate a lot more and I get thrown off easier, not as stable in that regard when rolling away. So I probably will end up setting them up with a 14.38-14.5 at some point (I skate ventures, and currently these on 14.25).

Had to get the hard bushings which feel perfect with the nut flush, the stock ones are a little too soft unless I have some threads showing which I don't want. I'm definitely running these tighter than your average ace rider probably, but I can still turn way sharper than my ventures which I ran looser than these, because lets face it ventures are still more stable.

They grind super nice on concrete and metal coping. Handles curbs and rough ledges wayyyy better than ventures. Those of you that say af1s dont grind well I don't know what you guys are on about lol.

Because the hangers articulate a lot more before hitting wheelbite, they don't quite hold a pinch the same as ventures. Probably a little worse overall, but can probably mitigate that by making some adjustments in how you sit on the crook. A benefit of this geometry (besides the turn of course) is that they seem to climb onto curbs much easier. On ventures there's some harder slappy tricks where I have to force my truck up onto the curb whereas these I can put my feet closer to the bolts/middle and it climbs up much more effortlessly. At first I was overshooting a bit.

I prefer the manual point on these a little bit more than on ventures too, which I found a little too stiff to lift.

Kingpin clearance is a lot worse sadly, not a dealbreaker, but not happy about it.

Recessed axles means more baseplate and less wheel contact on nose/tailslides, feels really nice.

The pop feel is very different, but kind of nice. I've figured out pretty much all my flatground tricks on it, some are slightly worse and some are slightly better. Basically had to scoot my popping foot a bit in, closer to the bolts than the tip of the tail to make the pop feel a little heavier and more similar to my ventures.

Don't feel like I've lost out on pop. Never thought that the heft of ventures gave me more pop, as my jump+technique definitely the limiting factor and any truck delivers enough yield, but ventures probably gave me a more consistent, reliable snap if I put some effort into it. On aces I can achieve that too if I want, though maybe ever so slightly less predictably, but I can also do some flip tricks a lot more easily because instead of popping very hard, I can just give it a light tap. All in all the pop feel is different, but adapted to it pretty quick, its a bit better for some things a bit worse for others but I'm happy with it overall.

Probably will keep my venture setup around and set the aces up on a bigger board but definitely pleasantly surprised, was expecting to struggle more with adjusting.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 28, 2022, 12:50:36 AM
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Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?

I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.

The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.


Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.
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Not exactly sure what you mean by pushed out, here's some better pictures for reference though.


Slappy thing makes sense considering I'm coming back off a rolled ankle and all I've really done for the last week or so is mostly slappy noseslides. Still kinda shitty though considering my Venture's were sliding on the actual pivot cup for the last few weeks of their use and didn't give up the ghost, and these have fucked up within 2 weeks.

update: ace are gonna warranty me another set through my local  :)
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Great news for you then!


I had seen a number of pivot cup areas on the baseplate had been pushed out by the hanger, so instead of the nice round hole, the pivot cup and hanger were sitting in an oval shaped hole, where the side of the baseplate had been pushed out, as per a number of earlier AF1 warranty claims people had posted earlier in this thread.

Hadn't seen it more recently though, so I was wondering if the shop had these from the first lot that did have all those issues back when they first came out.  It seemed like it was most commonly related to slappy crooks, not that the force and truck pinch should ever cause that sort of damage on near new trucks.

yeah, I think it's more than plausible I simply had an older set. Not many people in my area typically skate Ace's so there's always the chance they've been sitting on stock for a while, which does cause some concern as obviously Ace being a US based company are doing the RMA process through their UK distribution/my local shop, but I don't know if that means the UK dist will ship a newer set of AF1's to the shop for me to collect, or if the shop will pull a set from their inventory and Ace will reimburse.

Whilst I can't slappy crook I've definitely been hitting the slappy noseslides heavily as of late since I pretty much just learned them in the last few weeks. It's kind of funny looking back at it because initially I was doing switch slappy nose variations mostly off the ends of ledges as a bonk out, so sw slappy nose 270 out, 270 shove out etc. It took me a while to learn how to slide them, but by bashing into it and basically locking my front shoulder/direction to stop it turning, I started sliding them. Could never do them regular as I'd just stick, and for some reason it took me a good few months to realize it was exactly the same as doing them switch with locking the shoulder in place etc. Feels a bit weird being so hyped on learning fundamental 13 year old kid tricks at the age of 26 but fuck it I'm having a great time :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on June 28, 2022, 03:54:29 AM
Ran my Ace Classics yesterday. Bought them in January 2021 and I have had a session with them here and there after they broke in. Yesterday they felt stiff compared to Indys and had less depth of turn. I have this concrete snakerun thingy in my area and with Indys I can effortlessly flow through the curves and bumps, but with Classics I got wheel lift in a similar line and felt restricted. Also Indys felt way carvier and loose in a mini bowl. The mini bowl was seriously almost unrideable on Classics. In my mind I thought Ace Classics would be the perfect truck for such a purpose. Surprisngly, I did experience more stability with Aces, ollies felt much more solid and controlled than with tippy Indies and instead of riding the bowls I started to enjoy myself on the ledges in the park.

So is this normal or do the bushings stiffen up over time? This screams bushing issues to me, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of what I described can be attributed to the character of the trucks, given that they are lower than Indys. The park is new and I haven't pitted Ace and Indy against each other like that before. It would be so nice if I could experience the stability I did yesterday with Aces, but also have a nice deep turn. I'm quite dumbfounded the Indys outcarved the Aces that badly. Should I look at AF1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 28, 2022, 05:11:38 AM
Ran my Ace Classics yesterday. Bought them in January 2021 and I have had a session with them here and there after they broke in. Yesterday they felt stiff compared to Indys and had less depth of turn. I have this concrete snakerun thingy in my area and with Indys I can effortlessly flow through the curves and bumps, but with Classics I got wheel lift in a similar line and felt restricted. Also Indys felt way carvier and loose in a mini bowl. The mini bowl was seriously almost unrideable on Classics. In my mind I thought Ace Classics would be the perfect truck for such a purpose. Surprisngly, I did experience more stability with Aces, ollies felt much more solid and controlled than with tippy Indies and instead of riding the bowls I started to enjoy myself on the ledges in the park.

So is this normal or do the bushings stiffen up over time? This screams bushing issues to me, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of what I described can be attributed to the character of the trucks, given that they are lower than Indys. The park is new and I haven't pitted Ace and Indy against each other like that before. It would be so nice if I could experience the stability I did yesterday with Aces, but also have a nice deep turn. I'm quite dumbfounded the Indys outcarved the Aces that badly. Should I look at AF1?

This is in no way normal for Ace Classics. They turn even better than AF1s. Look into replacing the shit washers Ace Classics sometimes have and if that doesn’t help, get new bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mbam003 on June 28, 2022, 06:27:00 AM
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Ran my Ace Classics yesterday. Bought them in January 2021 and I have had a session with them here and there after they broke in. Yesterday they felt stiff compared to Indys and had less depth of turn. I have this concrete snakerun thingy in my area and with Indys I can effortlessly flow through the curves and bumps, but with Classics I got wheel lift in a similar line and felt restricted. Also Indys felt way carvier and loose in a mini bowl. The mini bowl was seriously almost unrideable on Classics. In my mind I thought Ace Classics would be the perfect truck for such a purpose. Surprisngly, I did experience more stability with Aces, ollies felt much more solid and controlled than with tippy Indies and instead of riding the bowls I started to enjoy myself on the ledges in the park.

So is this normal or do the bushings stiffen up over time? This screams bushing issues to me, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of what I described can be attributed to the character of the trucks, given that they are lower than Indys. The park is new and I haven't pitted Ace and Indy against each other like that before. It would be so nice if I could experience the stability I did yesterday with Aces, but also have a nice deep turn. I'm quite dumbfounded the Indys outcarved the Aces that badly. Should I look at AF1?
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This is in no way normal for Ace Classics. They turn even better than AF1s. Look into replacing the shit washers Ace Classics sometimes have and if that doesn’t help, get new bushings.

I do remember them having a deep turn in the beginning and Indys seeming much more stable in comparison. Definitely seems like the bushings have turned into stone over time. Do the regular "Classic" bushings they're selling work for both AF1 and Classic? That aside AF1s look so interesting, whereas dropping 10€ on bushings not so much ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 28, 2022, 09:47:44 AM
I’d start with them a bit tighter and then keep loosening them up until they are unsafe…..I think the key to an ace is the last part of the turn where you would normally wheel bite, it almost turns backwards on you.

Tzhang, that’s a great breakdown comparing the two…..I think the articulation makes slappies way easier… frontside you can almost hit the curb straight on and jam heel, and the truck makes contact. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 29, 2022, 05:55:00 AM
Picked my replacements up today, didn't have the raws in stock which I would've preferred but these will be fine and kinda works out better as the blue/orange baseplate pairs are from the spring drop of AF1's so I know I'm not getting old stock from the first batches of AF1's with the qc/baseplate issues etc. Grabbed a shop tee in collab with dlx too, gonz art.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/991687631605870693/IMG_20220629_131235.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 29, 2022, 06:03:30 AM
Picked my replacements up today, didn't have the raws in stock which I would've preferred but these will be fine and kinda works out better as the blue/orange baseplate pairs are from the spring drop of AF1's so I know I'm not getting old stock from the first batches of AF1's with the qc/baseplate issues etc. Grabbed a shop tee in collab with dlx too, gonz art.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/991687631605870693/IMG_20220629_131235.jpg)

That's a huge win, they look amazing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on June 29, 2022, 11:34:59 AM
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Picked my replacements up today, didn't have the raws in stock which I would've preferred but these will be fine and kinda works out better as the blue/orange baseplate pairs are from the spring drop of AF1's so I know I'm not getting old stock from the first batches of AF1's with the qc/baseplate issues etc. Grabbed a shop tee in collab with dlx too, gonz art.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/991687631605870693/IMG_20220629_131235.jpg)
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That's a huge win, they look amazing
Shirt be lookin hella ty-ty, too!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 29, 2022, 11:50:30 AM
Those pivot cups will still rip, just a warning. They haven't fixed that yet. Get the rock hard Indy ones that come stock in their trucks (not sure if the aftermarkets are the same) and you'll be good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 29, 2022, 12:24:16 PM
Or not.

I have 3 sets of AF1s on the go and have had zero issues with the pivot cups. I ride loose and do lots of slappies. The bushings in one set seemingly broke in differently to the others (didn't harden up) but that's the extent of any issues I have had with AF1s. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 29, 2022, 05:06:41 PM
Or not.

I have 3 sets of AF1s on the go and have had zero issues with the pivot cups. I ride loose and do lots of slappies. The bushings in one set seemingly broke in differently to the others (didn't harden up) but that's the extent of any issues I have had with AF1s.

Yeah, in my real life, most of the people I skate with are on AF1s and I've never encountered a single person who has had a problem with them other than the clicking (which, as everyone has noted, will go away).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on June 29, 2022, 05:08:36 PM
I got my buddy af1 55s a few months ago and he digs em. Definitely gonna try them out when I axle my indy 149s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on June 29, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
I've never encountered a single person who has had a problem with them…
Lhotse?
That YOU?!?  ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on June 29, 2022, 07:45:36 PM
Nah. He’s in the pit of death.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 01, 2022, 08:14:42 AM
I've had a set of Af1 55s for awhile now that I just can't get right in terms of bushings and looseness. All my other Ace's have settled in great with stock or with Krux bushings. Anyway, I was getting some pretty bad wheel bite on these even with an 1'8" riser (55mm wheels, 8.4 deck), so I bit the bullet and got some Ace hard bushings. I hate the idea of surrendering to hard bushings but first session in and these are great. The turn still feels amazing but they won't hit wheel bite anywhere near as easy. There is a chance they will get a bit too firm for me after they really break in but I'll just swop out the bottoms for the stock bottoms at that point.

Highly recommended for Ace truck madness tweakage.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on July 01, 2022, 10:50:40 AM
I've had a set of Af1 55s for awhile now that I just can't get right in terms of bushings and looseness. All my other Ace's have settled in great with stock or with Krux bushings. Anyway, I was getting some pretty bad wheel bite on these even with an 1'8" riser (55mm wheels, 8.4 deck), so I bit the bullet and got some Ace hard bushings. I hate the idea of surrendering to hard bushings but first session in and these are great. The turn still feels amazing but they won't hit wheel bite anywhere near as easy. There is a chance they will get a bit too firm for me after they really break in but I'll just swop out the bottoms for the stock bottoms at that point.

Highly recommended for Ace truck madness tweakage.
just wanted to say i love my ace hard bushings. I’ve had the hard bushings in my Af1 55s for a good while now and they still feel great! i highly recommend them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on July 01, 2022, 06:54:03 PM
Hard bushings loose trucks may be the correct answer for all things truck….
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on July 01, 2022, 10:18:11 PM
+1 on the hard bushings. Feel great for me with nut flush/half a thread barely showing. Aces don't have to be skated loosey goosey, a firm medium can be really nice and they still turn great.

The bit where the hanger meets the axle is a bit tapered, is it chill to not use an inside washer because of that or is it still a bad idea? I'm running these chode wheels right now and want to have them come in a little bit because its hot rod vibes right now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2022, 03:24:24 AM
+1 on the hard bushings. Feel great for me with nut flush/half a thread barely showing. Aces don't have to be skated loosey goosey, a firm medium can be really nice and they still turn great.

The bit where the hanger meets the axle is a bit tapered, is it chill to not use an inside washer because of that or is it still a bad idea? I'm running these chode wheels right now and want to have them come in a little bit because its hot rod vibes right now


Check to see if your bearings have the inner metal ring part that keeps the rest of the bearing shield area off the hanger, or if it rubs.

Some bearings are fairly minimal in that area and others are thicker (wider) which help with running no washers and not having anything rub.

Sometimes bearing spacers also help with this, but that is more a personal preference than anything else.  Running bearings without shields also help with less contact in this area too.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 02, 2022, 09:13:43 AM
+1 on the hard bushings. Feel great for me with nut flush/half a thread barely showing. Aces don't have to be skated loosey goosey, a firm medium can be really nice and they still turn great.

The bit where the hanger meets the axle is a bit tapered, is it chill to not use an inside washer because of that or is it still a bad idea? I'm running these chode wheels right now and want to have them come in a little bit because its hot rod vibes right now
Hard bushings loose trucks may be the correct answer for all things truck….

+1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 10:06:40 PM
At first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.

Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?

Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on July 05, 2022, 11:25:23 PM
At first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.

Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?

Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.
Makes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.

Right now I have an Ace top on a Venture 5.0 to see how it felt as a cruiser and the kingpin nuts are barely on. I’d estimate you could drop the kingpin by almost the height of the nut with a venture top (which are relatively short) bushing in there and not have to go overboard with cranking down the nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on July 05, 2022, 11:26:54 PM
I found a good deal on both classics and af1. last year i skateb both 44 classics and 66 af1and I enjoyed both setups alot.
Ive since then switched to less steep kicked boards and indys but I miss ace turning.
Because ive only skated af1 on bigger heavier setups I cant really compare the pop feel fairly between af1 and classics.
Help me decide what to get
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 11:41:26 PM
I found a good deal on both classics and af1. last year i skateb both 44 classics and 66 af1and I enjoyed both setups alot.
Ive since then switched to less steep kicked boards and indys but I miss ace turning.
Because ive only skated af1 on bigger heavier setups I cant really compare the pop feel fairly between af1 and classics.
Help me decide what to get

Af1s have way less qc issues so unless you never wear through or break anything, definitely get af1s imo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 11:43:17 PM
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At first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.

Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?

Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.
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Makes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.

Right now I have an Ace top on a Venture 5.0 to see how it felt as a cruiser and the kingpin nuts are barely on. I’d estimate you could drop the kingpin by almost the height of the nut with a venture top (which are relatively short) bushing in there and not have to go overboard with cranking down the nut.

Thanks! Luckily I have a shitload of venture bushings, so that might work out perfectly.

In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ol Nick on July 06, 2022, 01:18:34 AM
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At first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.

Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?

Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.
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Makes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.

Right now I have an Ace top on a Venture 5.0 to see how it felt as a cruiser and the kingpin nuts are barely on. I’d estimate you could drop the kingpin by almost the height of the nut with a venture top (which are relatively short) bushing in there and not have to go overboard with cranking down the nut.
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Thanks! Luckily I have a shitload of venture bushings, so that might work out perfectly.

In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?
Should be good. The bottom bushing isn’t changing so geometry stays the same. You might notice the top washer contacting the hanger on deep turns, possibly limiting your turn a little. Although it might serve to minimize wheelbite, I don’t like how that feels so I find a smaller washer or trim one down. Beyond that, the big difference is the new kingpin clearance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on July 06, 2022, 03:32:27 AM
Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 06, 2022, 03:50:32 AM
Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.

Not sure about the responsiveness of the turn, but they definitely make the setup feel a lot heavier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on July 06, 2022, 08:14:55 AM
Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the classics have a slightly shorter wb than the af1s so that would be contributing to the feeling of being more nimble. its been a few years since i've ridden classics, but the af1 33s i've recently gotten have felt pretty responsive and stable, if not more stable than classics imo. popping switch and fakie didn't feel squirrelly. got some switch flips in, did a nollie bs flip and a rick flip on the 2nd session with the af1s lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on July 06, 2022, 11:06:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5tCNV73.jpg)
TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on July 06, 2022, 11:22:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5tCNV73.jpg)
TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week

Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 06, 2022, 11:58:56 AM
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?

They feel quite nice. They give a sort of consistent/smooth feeling to your trucks. hard to explain. I notice the difference in feel the most on thunders/ventures.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on July 06, 2022, 12:35:52 PM
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?
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They feel quite nice. They give a sort of consistent/smooth feeling to your trucks. hard to explain. I notice the difference in feel the most on thunders/ventures.

This is my experience as well. If you don't have any issues with your Aces, there's no need to swap out the stock pivot cups tbh, but riptides do make some quality pivot cups if you're interested.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 06, 2022, 12:41:46 PM
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?
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They feel quite nice. They give a sort of consistent/smooth feeling to your trucks. hard to explain. I notice the difference in feel the most on thunders/ventures.
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This is my experience as well. If you don't have any issues with your Aces, there's no need to swap out the stock pivot cups tbh, but riptides do make some quality pivot cups if you're interested.

Only thing they really changed on indy/ace was the squeak
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 06, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
I found a good deal on both classics and af1. last year i skateb both 44 classics and 66 af1and I enjoyed both setups alot.
Ive since then switched to less steep kicked boards and indys but I miss ace turning.
Because ive only skated af1 on bigger heavier setups I cant really compare the pop feel fairly between af1 and classics.
Help me decide what to get

I am extremely happy with my AF-1 44s. They turn and grind exactly as I want, the construction is great, and I've had no QC issues despite basically only doing slappys since I bought them. FYI Zumiez has 33 and 44 AF-1s for cheap right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 06, 2022, 04:41:03 PM
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?

They are both polyurethane cups so they are potentially going to perform similarly. FWIW the Riptides I put in my Indys didn't really offer any improvement that I noticed, they just made the truck stick in whichever direction I jammed them. Despite my AF-1 pivot cups being the same basic material, this isn't a problem with them and in my real life I don't know anyone who has issues with the AF-1 pivot cups. I think most of the early issues have been sorted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on July 06, 2022, 09:19:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5tCNV73.jpg)
TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week

Hell yeah. I love riptides. I swapped some out on my classics and everything just felt better. I’m not going to try and explain it, but it made it feel better than stock.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 06, 2022, 09:42:14 PM
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Hell yeah. I love riptides. I swapped some out on my classics and everything just felt better. I’m not going to try and explain it, but it made it feel better than stock.

as a former buyer, i will say tracey is awesome. riptide hooked it up pretty hard, kinda same way quantum guys do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2022, 06:10:20 AM
Currently on Indy cast hollows and the only truck I haven't given too much time to in my madness are AF1. I had the early ones with exploding pivot cups and was mostly riding Thunders and didn't give them a chance. With friends trying and mostly liking them I was curious mostly about the shorter height at the same Indy WB without having the mid inverted kingpins or FH extending the WB.

Is there really major differences if I ride my trucks medium to medium tight? Anything positive I'd really notice?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on July 07, 2022, 06:18:23 AM
https://www.zumiez.com/ace-55-polished-silver-skateboard-truck.html

Zumiez has ace og 55 for 9$ a truck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 07, 2022, 07:06:36 AM
Currently on Indy cast hollows and the only truck I haven't given too much time to in my madness are AF1. I had the early ones with exploding pivot cups and was mostly riding Thunders and didn't give them a chance. With friends trying and mostly liking them I was curious mostly about the shorter height at the same Indy WB without having the mid inverted kingpins or FH extending the WB.

Is there really major differences if I ride my trucks medium to medium tight? Anything positive I'd really notice?

wb is smaller than indys, turn is different, even running them med-medtight you would probably feel a little more surfy, the on center feeling is much different on ace compared to indy especially the AF1, popfeel would be lighter/quicker. All of these things are subjective though, they may or may not be positive differences for you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2022, 07:42:35 AM
Are they more stable on center? The WB difference looks fairly minuscule so I was more interested/worried about the height difference. I found the Royals were possibly a bit too light feeling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on July 07, 2022, 08:37:33 AM
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Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the classics have a slightly shorter wb than the af1s so that would be contributing to the feeling of being more nimble. its been a few years since i've ridden classics, but the af1 33s i've recently gotten have felt pretty responsive and stable, if not more stable than classics imo. popping switch and fakie didn't feel squirrelly. got some switch flips in, did a nollie bs flip and a rick flip on the 2nd session with the af1s lol

The above bold is accurate. Classics have a shorter relative wheelbase than AF1, which have a shorter relative wheelbase than standard Indys.

So Classic < AF1 < Indy standard. These were compared with 33s and 139s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 07, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
Are they more stable on center? The WB difference looks fairly minuscule so I was more interested/worried about the height difference. I found the Royals were possibly a bit too light feeling.

I would say so, most people agree they are too. But im not sure how much that would really come into play if youre trucks are med-tight
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 07, 2022, 11:35:59 AM
Most people step on my board and find it med loose to loose so I guess its perspective.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Goblinoid on July 07, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Most people step on my board and find it med loose to loose so I guess its perspective.

I think Ace work great when tightened down just a tad. When I rode indy's i liked the nut looser than flush, however I've found myself tightening my aces down (couple threads showing).

This isn't because they are too squirrely, It's just that the geometry allows for best of both worlds - super stable center when tight but more turn than you'd get from another brand's "loose"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on July 07, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
Are they more stable on center? The WB difference looks fairly minuscule so I was more interested/worried about the height difference. I found the Royals were possibly a bit too light feeling.

having made the switch earlier this year, i can say they are for sure more stable. the classics feel squirley. On the af-1 i have a really stable pop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MxsDx on July 07, 2022, 08:04:15 PM
Continuing with the Indy cast vs. AF1, how would you compare the pinch? Any noticeable differences?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on July 07, 2022, 10:00:48 PM
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Most people step on my board and find it med loose to loose so I guess its perspective.
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I think Ace work great when tightened down just a tad. When I rode indy's i liked the nut looser than flush, however I've found myself tightening my aces down (couple threads showing).

This isn't because they are too squirrely, It's just that the geometry allows for best of both worlds - super stable center when tight but more turn than you'd get from another brand's "loose"

I feel exactly the same. I used to run my classics dummy loose for my slappy setup and found that tightening them a bit didn't have any adverse effects on my skating and gave me more stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on July 08, 2022, 03:38:20 AM
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Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.
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Not sure about the responsiveness of the turn, but they definitely make the setup feel a lot heavier

I've also made the switch back to 44 classics. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my AF1s but there is just something about that soft metal and 8.35 wide truck gets me going.

I also feel like they are much more responsive it's hard to describe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 08, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.

Ace trucks have a curve built into them on purpose... Unless you're talking about something else.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on July 08, 2022, 10:59:19 AM
Continuing with the Indy cast vs. AF1, how would you compare the pinch? Any noticeable differences?

Idk about cast, but i know forged work better for crooks than aces for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 08, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.
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Ace trucks have a curve built into them on purpose... Unless you're talking about something else.

Ace used to have the "rocker" (curved) hanger but scrapped it. AF1's and classics are straight hangers now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: trip35 on July 09, 2022, 08:11:44 AM
For those of you that are getting loud clicking caused by the washers not fitting snugly on the kingpin, here's an easy fix. Strip the trucks down and wrap some scotch tape around the base of the kingpin, just enough so that the bottom washer can still slide down into position with no play. Put the bottom bushing and hanger back on, then get some teflon tape (must be the thin PTFE tape) and wrap it tightly around the kingpin about 2-3 times, enough to fill the threads. Make sure that you leave the top 5mm or so with no tape so that the nylock and most of the nut still engages directly with the metal of the kingpin. Then slide the top bushing over it and cut another piece of teflon tape around 2 inches long, and wrap it around the kingpin just above the bushing, but scrunched down so that it thickens up and still leaves plenty of threads clear at the top. You just want it to completely fill up the play in the top washer. Put the washer back on, making sure it beds down fully against the top bushing, then replace the nut, and you're done. Works great on my Ace classics, wish I'd thought of this ages ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on July 09, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
For those of you that are getting loud clicking caused by the washers not fitting snugly on the kingpin, here's an easy fix. Strip the trucks down and wrap some scotch tape around the base of the kingpin, just enough so that the bottom washer can still slide down into position with no play. Put the bottom bushing and hanger back on, then get some teflon tape (must be the thin PTFE tape) and wrap it tightly around the kingpin about 2-3 times, enough to fill the threads. Make sure that you leave the top 5mm or so with no tape so that the nylock and most of the nut still engages directly with the metal of the kingpin. Then slide the top bushing over it and cut another piece of teflon tape around 2 inches long, and wrap it around the kingpin just above the bushing, but scrunched down so that it thickens up and still leaves plenty of threads clear at the top. You just want it to completely fill up the play in the top washer. Put the washer back on, making sure it beds down fully against the top bushing, then replace the nut, and you're done. Works great on my Ace classics, wish I'd thought of this ages ago.
My ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: trip35 on July 09, 2022, 04:12:28 PM
My ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.
I was pretty sure that was how it was going to go down. But for every ADD brain that can't get through the wall of text there'll be another ADD brain that can't deal with the clicking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sn00p on July 09, 2022, 06:28:16 PM
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My ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.
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I was pretty sure that was how it was going to go down. But for every ADD brain that can't get through the wall of text there'll be another ADD brain that can't deal with the clicking.

I picked up a pair of aces recently. I had always heard about the clicking. Skated em for about a week and thought I was in the clear. But sure enough it began happening out of nowhere and drove me absolutely nuts. Two days later, it disappeared just as mysteriously as it started.

So hang in there. It’s only temporary.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 09, 2022, 08:41:18 PM
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I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
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Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.
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Ace trucks have a curve built into them on purpose... Unless you're talking about something else.
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Ace used to have the "rocker" (curved) hanger but scrapped it. AF1's and classics are straight hangers now.


Funny as I was just talking about this with someone yesterday, who brought up the rocker hanger, which was designed to keep you grinding more towards the wheels, rather than all over the hanger, but I know others had said that was only because the first Ace trucks would bend a whole lot more.

In comparing some AF1 and a brand new set of Ace Classics, there is ever so slightly a tiny rocker motion to them, but so minimal it is hardly noticed unless you hold the truck on a straight metal ruler or something like I did.

Either way, any truck should not bend, but many do, either just in the end axles or some through the whole hanger.  Put them on something straight edged and if they are bent, have a chat to the shop you got them from, as that is covered under warranty.

Ace have a pretty good warranty program, as per the link I put up not too long ago.


https://www.acetrucks.com/contact

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on July 10, 2022, 11:24:03 AM
Am I the only one that hasn’t had any clicking on my af1s? Seems like everyone has it. Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on July 10, 2022, 11:56:59 AM
Am I the only one that hasn’t had any clicking on my af1s? Seems like everyone has it. Am I doing something wrong?

Yeah, it's part of breaking in the trucks. They must be defect.  ;) Not really, good for you if they don't.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 10, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
I always think that the complaints about QC here are overblown, but I changed out the bottom washers to an aftermarket sleeved variety before I ever skated the trucks and I got the clicking after a session or two. It went away after about a week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on July 11, 2022, 08:55:53 AM
I had one pair of AF1s that started clicking one day, it was gone in 20 minutes and never came back ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 11, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
If I were a truck company I would just make trucks that didn't click...

That being said, my AF1s did stop clicking eventually.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 19, 2022, 05:05:57 PM
Out of nowhere, the clicking has returned today.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on July 19, 2022, 05:50:21 PM
My top bushing has started to bulge out from under the washer the last couple sessions, just when they started to feel really nice.  I've got the nut flush but I also weigh 210 so maybe I'm the issue here.  I'm sure someone has had this happen and found a solution, but I don't want to scroll through ~180 pages looking for it  :-[

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on July 19, 2022, 07:22:48 PM
My top bushing has started to bulge out from under the washer the last couple sessions, just when they started to feel really nice.  I've got the nut flush but I also weigh 210 so maybe I'm the issue here.  I'm sure someone has had this happen and found a solution, but I don't want to scroll through ~180 pages looking for it  :-[
Flat washer if you don’t mind the slightly surfier feel (why not, you’re already on Aces, after all so you’re clearly not “turning averse”) or alternately, find a couple stock Indy top washers, as they tend to be a little wider.
The latter did the trick for me, so I never did have to resort to that flat washer.
Others here have said “fukk a top washer altogether” and that solved the problem in a manner of speaking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on July 20, 2022, 04:04:28 AM
Just keep riding em! I All of my classics (3 sets) have developed a ring around the top bushing just under the washer.  My main set of 55s (3 years old, about 2 years of riding, and about 1 year of slappies) ride straight and feel amazing but have ugly bushings and even a little pivot cup bulging (gasp!)

Wabi sabi, ya know? If they don't feel good that's one thing, but my experience has always been Ace bushings/cups may get a little wonky looking but will skate just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on July 20, 2022, 06:29:13 AM
These are good points.  I split too many Indy bushings, with the trucks ending up feeling shitty, so I guess my mind immediately went to that.

Fuggit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Genericwhitemale on July 20, 2022, 11:47:40 PM
Does anyone else have an issue with their pair where the tool for the kingpin can easily pop onto the nut for one truck and very difficult for the other?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Landmine on July 21, 2022, 11:21:58 AM
Does anyone else have an issue with their pair where the tool for the kingpin can easily pop onto the nut for one truck and very difficult for the other?

YES

It's so weird
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on July 21, 2022, 03:54:07 PM
ok, question needs opinions:

i ride ventures rn but considered aces, since i want a lower truck that doesn't stretch out wheelbase that much. i'm ok with a truck turning more squirrely, i kind of miss that. should i try classics or af-1s?

classics are more like the dims i'm after, but af-1s would probably be less jarring to switch to, since people say they feel more "stable".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 21, 2022, 04:44:09 PM
ok, question needs opinions:

i ride ventures rn but considered aces, since i want a lower truck that doesn't stretch out wheelbase that much. i'm ok with a truck turning more squirrely, i kind of miss that. should i try classics or af-1s?

classics are more like the dims i'm after, but af-1s would probably be less jarring to switch to, since people say they feel more "stable".

What are the dims you're after? Because classics and AF1 come in pretty much the same sizes.
As an example, the 7.75 AF1 has the exact same hanger width as the 7.625 classic. Same for 8.5 AF1 and 8.38 classic. I personally don't think that anyone would be thrown off by the tiny difference in axle width, a variable that doesn't matter at all. But people do convince themselves of all kinds of things here
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on July 21, 2022, 06:28:05 PM
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ok, question needs opinions:

i ride ventures rn but considered aces, since i want a lower truck that doesn't stretch out wheelbase that much. i'm ok with a truck turning more squirrely, i kind of miss that. should i try classics or af-1s?

classics are more like the dims i'm after, but af-1s would probably be less jarring to switch to, since people say they feel more "stable".
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What are the dims you're after? Because classics and AF1 come in pretty much the same sizes.
As an example, the 7.75 AF1 has the exact same hanger width as the 7.625 classic. Same for 8.5 AF1 and 8.38 classic. I personally don't think that anyone would be thrown off by the tiny difference in axle width, a variable that doesn't matter at all. But people do convince themselves of all kinds of things here
i think i read in this thread that af-1s are a tad higher, heavier and extend the wheelbase a tiny bit more, but are more stable. i'd probably get 33s of any of those two. before the ventures i was happily riding indy for more than a decade if that helps as a reference.

before asking i was thinking of just getting classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 22, 2022, 06:21:32 AM
If you get the AF1 lows and put the 1/16" shock pad underneath, it brings them to like 50.5mm tall and I'm a heavy dude, still turning really good on them with 52mm wheels. Using a harder top bushing tho which is key for reducing the bite and better snap back to center. They shrink the wheelbase more toward the feel of the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on July 22, 2022, 10:28:45 AM
If you get the AF1 lows and put the 1/16" shock pad underneath, it brings them to like 50.5mm tall and I'm a heavy dude, still turning really good on them with 52mm wheels. Using a harder top bushing tho which is key for reducing the bite and better snap back to center. They shrink the wheelbase more toward the feel of the classics.

thanks a lot, that was much more in depth than i was looking for, but i really appreciate it. i might come around to that. 50.5 might actually a bit too low or too much of a change from standard ventures(i think they are 55 or 56mm high!), but since this might be a whole new setup, all bets are off anyway and i might end up with 52 mm wheels instead of the usual 54s.

i'm just hoping for quicker pop. skating ventures is kind of exhausting. everything feels like it needs to be done very deliberately. i liked that for a while now, but after two years, i'm also over it. i don't know, my skating doesn't feel as playful as before, or rather playful skating or dorking around doesn't work for me on ventures. it's like i need to focus too much on what i'm doing. anyways, i digress... thanks again!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 22, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
Venture casts are 53.5mm tall so then just get Ace classics (52mm high) or AF1's (53mm high) either one will be a change from Ventures. AF1's for more strength and no worries about bending axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bolts the snowman on July 22, 2022, 12:29:49 PM
i should cop some ace trucks i heard you can also smoke some weed out them bitches
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank on July 22, 2022, 12:41:21 PM
i should cop some ace trucks i heard you can also smoke some weed out them bitches

fuck, i'm definitely going to buy some now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on July 22, 2022, 05:50:16 PM
i should cop some ace trucks i heard you can also smoke some weed out them bitches
You do that & get back to us on how it went.
My next truck purchase is hinging on your report.
I know you are up to the task: you’ve totally got this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bolts the snowman on July 22, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
i literally seen some guy on instagram smoke weed out of an ace truck back on 420
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jakeumms on July 23, 2022, 12:17:02 AM
The true reason for the AF1 low hollows reveals itself
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jkadams on July 28, 2022, 03:38:22 PM
Skated my first set of AF1's (55's) five times, and I've got a weird issue happening: the deck is leaning to my heel side while riding straight.

I don't notice it that much while riding the board normally, but if I ride the board backwards (tail first), it's very obvious (deck is leaning down on my toe side); if I level the deck, it turns.

Everything looks OK, no deck warp, truck bend, etc., that I can see.  I guess I will try turning the bushings, different bushings, etc., but just wanted to see if this is some known issue during break-in, or maybe a known defect that happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 28, 2022, 05:12:49 PM
New trucks are painful. Give them a solid few session of break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on July 29, 2022, 02:02:34 AM
what’s the word on the 55 lows? yea or nay? honestly anything above 8.25 seems wild for a low truck, guess i’m looking for a nudge either towards 44s or 55s lows if anyone’s got an opinion on it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 29, 2022, 02:24:35 AM
what’s the word on the 55 lows? yea or nay? honestly anything above 8.25 seems wild for a low truck, guess i’m looking for a nudge either towards 44s or 55s lows if anyone’s got an opinion on it

A hell yeah on the 55 lows. They're a perfect size between other 8.25 and 8.5 trucks. (146mm hanger, same as ace classic 8.38)

I put the low baseplate on my big board with a 66 hanger and 55mm wheels and even with 3mm risers it's unmanageable. Absolutely needs harder bushings on that size. Makes sense they only released lows up to 60s now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on July 29, 2022, 03:40:41 AM
44 Classics. Hoping this is the last time I put these on a board and they die a noble death.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on July 29, 2022, 04:57:55 AM
Back on ace on my regular setup after almost a year on indys.
Before the indys I skated 44 classics. the indys are 159 cast hollow.
Got a set of af1 55 40% off.
Im so glad to be rocking aces again.
Theres nothing wrong with the indys. they work great for everything I do but they lack that little somthing extra extra feeling I get on ace.
I find the "window" for manageable pop timimg is bigger on indys so they let me skate a wider variety of steepness, wheelbase etc.

Right now ive got my setup dialed with 1/8 riser on a medium steep kicked deck with 14.25 wheelbase. feels great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 03, 2022, 08:19:10 PM
Just ordered my first pair of Ace trucks (Classic 55s). I was riding my 8.6” (Snack) on 149 Indy trucks and I just decided that I was tipping cause the trucks weren’t wide enough. I’m hoping wider more turny trucks are really gonna make this deck pop. Also bought Powell Green Dragons (93a 56mm) so I’m by pretty pumped about my new gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on August 04, 2022, 07:34:32 AM
I ordered Ace hard bushings for my Af1s. Anyone tried mixing the stock bushings with a hard top/bottom bushing?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on August 04, 2022, 10:15:56 AM
I ordered Ace hard bushings for my Af1s. Anyone tried mixing the stock bushings with a hard top/bottom bushing?

I did it with my lows, first I put the hard barrel on the board side, but they were still to wiggly for me so I ended up using the hard bushings, I gotta say though after that they are the perfect truck for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on August 05, 2022, 03:28:37 AM
I got the hard bushings today. Put them on my af1s and left the kingpin nut flush on the front, just hair tighter on the back. Tried them quickly and they feel awesome. I run af1s on my cruiser and I was able to make quick and tight turns safely without wheelbites. With stock bushings I had 1 1/2 to 2 threads showing and got wheelbite occasionally. I can say my trucks still  turn as good but with more stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coldpizza on August 05, 2022, 04:47:42 PM
After being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on August 05, 2022, 06:00:21 PM
After being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
(https://i.imgur.com/KYzJnkr.jpg)

Was on Ace for a bit, 44 classics too (with 3 washers inside each wheel so the extra axle was perfect, and it made a 8.5-ish truck which is what I'm riding usually) and I went back to Thunders after having problems with my Aces. I really liked the trucks, I think they were amazing, but the kingpin nut on my back truck would loosen up by itself. I even put krazy glue on the nylock and it held up for a while and then it happened again. Was thinking of trying the 55 AF1 once I'm done with my Thunders (or maybe even before that?) because I really enjoyed my 44s. I just wonder if they also have iffy QC too or if they are solid. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 05, 2022, 06:42:58 PM
The extra axle you can do the washers like stated above or you can get an old nut that you don’t care about mark where your nut sits with the wheels tightened how you ride them, mark the axle on top of the nut, pull you good nut/wheel off, put old nut on and grind or file the axle to the top of the nut/mark. Use a nut you don’t care about if you go grinder route so you don’t melt the nylock out.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 05, 2022, 06:48:40 PM
King pin nut loosening sounds scary. I've had three sets of Classic 44s, two sets of Classic 55s and I am currently rotating between AF1 55s, 60s and 66s and not had any issues like that thankfully.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coldpizza on August 05, 2022, 07:05:23 PM
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After being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
(https://i.imgur.com/KYzJnkr.jpg)
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Was on Ace for a bit, 44 classics too (with 3 washers inside each wheel so the extra axle was perfect, and it made a 8.5-ish truck which is what I'm riding usually) and I went back to Thunders after having problems with my Aces. I really liked the trucks, I think they were amazing, but the kingpin nut on my back truck would loosen up by itself. I even put krazy glue on the nylock and it held up for a while and then it happened again. Was thinking of trying the 55 AF1 once I'm done with my Thunders (or maybe even before that?) because I really enjoyed my 44s. I just wonder if they also have iffy QC too or if they are solid.

Wild, sounds like you had the exact same issues that I’m dealing with. And the back truck just kept getting loose? Did you try a different nut on it?

The extra axle you can do the washers like stated above or you can get an old nut that you don’t care about mark where your nut sits with the wheels tightened how you ride them, mark the axle on top of the nut, pull you good nut/wheel off, put old nut on and grind or file the axle to the top of the nut/mark. Use a nut you don’t care about if you go grinder route so you don’t melt the nylock out.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.

Haven’t tried a different nut since I’ve only skated them twice. Think I’m gonna give that a go next time out.
I did think about grinding down the axle, just seems like a lot to have to under take for trucks. But I am a bit lazy ha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on August 05, 2022, 07:08:54 PM
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.

I feel pretty dumb for not thinking of that...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 07, 2022, 08:37:00 AM
I always have like $2 worth of brand new truck hardware in my skate bag. Saved my own and my homies’ sessions more time than I can remember.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: skatebruh on August 07, 2022, 01:27:55 PM
Skated my first set of AF1's (55's) five times, and I've got a weird issue happening: the deck is leaning to my heel side while riding straight.

I don't notice it that much while riding the board normally, but if I ride the board backwards (tail first), it's very obvious (deck is leaning down on my toe side); if I level the deck, it turns.

Everything looks OK, no deck warp, truck bend, etc., that I can see.  I guess I will try turning the bushings, different bushings, etc., but just wanted to see if this is some known issue during break-in, or maybe a known defect that happens occasionally.
This happens to me with Ace and Indy. It means that either the bushings aren't broken in or the baseplates are not attached to the deck straight. Make sure your baseplates are straight and rotate your bushings 180 degrees.

If you're out skating and don't have a tool, ride your board backwards to help break in the bushings evenly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on August 07, 2022, 07:03:00 PM
So… I have been all Ace for several years now but all of the sudden dealing with the third warped baseplate and now a super loose kingpin. ( all classics).  It’s getting frustrating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 08, 2022, 06:28:13 AM
Where is it warped? Pivot cavity? I've broken plenty from slappies and had many loose kingpins as well. AF1's are the solution but you still might need to find a better pivot cup like the Riptides.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on August 08, 2022, 09:19:53 AM
Where is it warped? Pivot cavity? I've broken plenty from slappies and had many loose kingpins as well. AF1's are the solution but you still might need to find a better pivot cup like the Riptides.


Funny you say that- just popped in some riptide pivots😀.  It’s warped on the actual base in the front. One is from heavy nose slide action- it bent downward in the front ( upward technically) with the concave of the deck. The other two are warped side to side, just like a deck twist. I’m surprised there isn’t a crack in the plate. The loose kingpin I expect (especially if I’ve have the truck a long time,) but this one is like a loose tooth. It may actually be cracked instead of loose. 

I have AF 1 s on my other deck and no problems.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on August 08, 2022, 09:52:30 AM
I was a huge fan of riptides on my classics, so when the af1 riptides dropped it was a no brainer. Honestly. they are not good. Maybe they were too lubed or something but they were WAY too soft. My trucks did not feel stable at all, no matter what I did to crank them down. The turning became way too twitchy like a thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 08, 2022, 01:54:10 PM
You should email Riptide and have them send you another set, maybe they came out a little weird in the batch? I will say though, they do enhance the turn so it makes sense if it makes them twitchier.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on August 10, 2022, 08:04:05 PM
what’s everyone’s pop game like on aces?

got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 10, 2022, 08:20:53 PM
what’s everyone’s pop game like on aces?

got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp

They pop fine if you pair with the right board and adjust your technique. Maybe try tighten a lil and move your popping foot closer to the bolts, so deeper in the pocket instead of tip of the tail
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on August 10, 2022, 08:47:28 PM
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got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp
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They pop fine if you pair with the right board and adjust your technique. Maybe try tighten a lil and move your popping foot closer to the bolts, so deeper in the pocket instead of tip of the tail

This is very solid advice.
The pop isn’t my favorite, so I skate ventures.
Turn on ace is real decent. Real decent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on August 10, 2022, 09:39:45 PM
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what’s everyone’s pop game like on aces?

got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp
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They pop fine if you pair with the right board and adjust your technique. Maybe try tighten a lil and move your popping foot closer to the bolts, so deeper in the pocket instead of tip of the tail
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This is very solid advice.
The pop isn’t my favorite, so I skate ventures.
Turn on ace is real decent. Real decent.

I’ve been trying to keep my foot closer to the bolts to fix some flap foot with my ollies and noticed it helped improve my pop with aces. Good advice for sure.

I switched from indy this spring to af1s and the sound kind of tripped me out at first. And I remember having Indy’s on a board, switching to my aces on the same deck and with the aces my board sounded soggy when I’d hit my tail. And just a much lighter/tinny sound when rolling around.

I think I might’ve just gotten used to it bc I don’t really notice it anymore. I think I’m definitely sticking with Ace
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 10, 2022, 10:01:57 PM
Ace pop can be a bit limp indeed, even with the AF1s. I use the Real 3 ply risers on mine to get a better pop even if I don’t need them for wheelbite. It really helps. Bigger wheels can help too but there might be other reasons why you don’t want to change your wheel size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 10, 2022, 10:13:35 PM
I have an ace setup and a venture setup and honestly I feel that a lot of my tricks come up a bit higher on the ace one. Feel like the pop from the trick wasn’t the limiting factor for me but rather my timing and jump etc. but on a soggy board or really small wheels or loose trucks I could see the pop being a bit anemic
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 11, 2022, 08:21:51 AM
Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on August 11, 2022, 10:07:02 AM
Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps

You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 11, 2022, 10:35:21 AM
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Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
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You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
That’s what I figured. Came from Indy before venture and I was looking for something more in that realm to try. Wanted a low venture but they sizing doesn’t go big enough
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2022, 10:47:57 AM
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Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
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You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.

Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 11, 2022, 11:01:28 AM
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Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
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You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
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Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”

This was my experience with my AF1s. I had multiple sessions where my AF1s just were NOT grinding, and on rub bricked/lacquered curbs too...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2022, 11:14:16 AM
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Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
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You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
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Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”
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This was my experience with my AF1s. I had multiple sessions where my AF1s just were NOT grinding, and on rub bricked/lacquered curbs too...

Yeah, this is a well seasoned curb I used to skate with my 144s regularly. I like everything else about them but if I can’t get them moving, then I don’t think they are not different enough from a pair of Indys to justify keeping around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on August 11, 2022, 12:14:51 PM
Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2022, 12:25:19 PM
Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.

If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on August 11, 2022, 12:45:14 PM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.

If Indys felt good loose like Ace do, I would have stuck with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 11, 2022, 01:04:48 PM
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Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
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You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
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Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”

How old are they? They seem to get better as you grind them down a bit IME.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on August 11, 2022, 01:32:46 PM
I'll be a broken record and say the first batches of AF1's sucked for grinds for me and I had multiple sets in different sizes. Bought 44's again earlier this summer as a fresher batch with bright white bushings in them and they glide like ice since the start and still do. Then the other day, I got some 77's and they seemed like they were the newer batch with bright white bushings, and they grind like complete shit. I stick on all the stuff I usually grind. It's stupid, I don't get it. I hope once I hit axle on these 44's that I can get a set after that doesn't have sticky grind issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2022, 02:16:13 PM
Yeah, I have the absolute newest AF1s and they skate the same. I’m definitely not giving up, gonna push them a lot further before I decide that the grind is total dogshit, but just saying that this was not a problem with my previous Indy standards.

Worst case scenario is that I give them away and buy some cheap 144s over the coming Labor Day sales.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 11, 2022, 02:19:56 PM
Yeah, I have the absolute newest AF1s and they skate the same. I’m definitely not giving up, gonna push them a lot further before I decide that the grind is total dogshit, but just saying that this was not a problem with my previous Indy standards.

Worst case scenario is that I give them away and buy some cheap 144s over the coming Labor Day sales.

Mine got relegated to the cruiser board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 11, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
Can't say I've noticed any difference between the way AF1s grind between when they were first released and the 60s that came out pretty recently. I do think they grind better than classics but not as well an Indy/ Thunder. In saying that it really depends on what I'm grinding also. Its not enough of a difference for me to sacrifice all the other gains from Ace... but I do still mix things up with Thunder/ Indy depending on the set up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 15, 2022, 03:10:14 AM
hello Ace friends, im curious as to what sort of wheelbases you guys prefer on Aces? prior to skating Ace I was on Venture 5.8s, skating 8.5's with a wheelbase of 14.5 which to me was ideal and my flip tricks were the most consistent they've been. Moved to Ace 44's, stuck with the 14.5 wb and my tricks went to shit but I figured adjustment period etc. Been over a month now and things are still iffy so I'm thinking maybe drop to a smaller wb, but then I see posts about smaller wb being a bit too squirrely on Ace so I really don't know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on August 15, 2022, 03:29:44 AM
hello Ace friends, im curious as to what sort of wheelbases you guys prefer on Aces? prior to skating Ace I was on Venture 5.8s, skating 8.5's with a wheelbase of 14.5 which to me was ideal and my flip tricks were the most consistent they've been. Moved to Ace 44's, stuck with the 14.5 wb and my tricks went to shit but I figured adjustment period etc. Been over a month now and things are still iffy so I'm thinking maybe drop to a smaller wb, but then I see posts about smaller wb being a bit too squirrely on Ace so I really don't know.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if the deck comes in at 14.5 when you put the ACE 44 on they tighten the wheelbase to about 14.25 axel to axel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: PolarJames on August 15, 2022, 05:07:45 AM
Yeah if you preferred the Ventures with a board of the same wheelbase then you prefer a longer wheelbase as Ventures have the longest wheelbase of just about any trucks and Ace have pretty much the smallest. You could just go back to Ventures, or maybe Thunders as they have a similar but not quite as long wheelbase to Ventures.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on August 15, 2022, 06:38:32 AM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.

Blippy got you huh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on August 15, 2022, 10:21:05 AM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.
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Blippy got you huh


Surprised Krux hasn’t done a collab😂.

He had the shoes with K Swiss…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eviltgirl on August 15, 2022, 11:22:58 AM
Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.

God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coldpizza on August 15, 2022, 01:06:44 PM
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After being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
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Was on Ace for a bit, 44 classics too (with 3 washers inside each wheel so the extra axle was perfect, and it made a 8.5-ish truck which is what I'm riding usually) and I went back to Thunders after having problems with my Aces. I really liked the trucks, I think they were amazing, but the kingpin nut on my back truck would loosen up by itself. I even put krazy glue on the nylock and it held up for a while and then it happened again. Was thinking of trying the 55 AF1 once I'm done with my Thunders (or maybe even before that?) because I really enjoyed my 44s. I just wonder if they also have iffy QC too or if they are solid.
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Wild, sounds like you had the exact same issues that I’m dealing with. And the back truck just kept getting loose? Did you try a different nut on it?

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The extra axle you can do the washers like stated above or you can get an old nut that you don’t care about mark where your nut sits with the wheels tightened how you ride them, mark the axle on top of the nut, pull you good nut/wheel off, put old nut on and grind or file the axle to the top of the nut/mark. Use a nut you don’t care about if you go grinder route so you don’t melt the nylock out.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.
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Haven’t tried a different nut since I’ve only skated them twice. Think I’m gonna give that a go next time out.
I did think about grinding down the axle, just seems like a lot to have to under take for trucks. But I am a bit lazy ha.

As an update, I tried 2 different nuts on the back truck and it STILL rattles loose to the point where I can tighten it with my hands. I DM’d them a few times, got a reply back asking what size I ride then nothing.
 After a few weeks of trying them, I’ve gone back to Thunders. Too much frustration and/or maintenance. Tossed the Ace on a cruiser hoping that’s the move…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bold on August 15, 2022, 01:16:07 PM
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hello Ace friends, im curious as to what sort of wheelbases you guys prefer on Aces? prior to skating Ace I was on Venture 5.8s, skating 8.5's with a wheelbase of 14.5 which to me was ideal and my flip tricks were the most consistent they've been. Moved to Ace 44's, stuck with the 14.5 wb and my tricks went to shit but I figured adjustment period etc. Been over a month now and things are still iffy so I'm thinking maybe drop to a smaller wb, but then I see posts about smaller wb being a bit too squirrely on Ace so I really don't know.
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if the deck comes in at 14.5 when you put the ACE 44 on they tighten the wheelbase to about 14.25 axel to axel

Deck wheelbase is measured between inner most truck bolt holes, not axle to axle. Trucks add about 2-3 inches to the deck to get the axle-to-axle WB brand depending. Indy adds about 3". So if you measure 14.5" axle to axle on Indy's the deck WB would be about 12".

Ace don't add as much to the axle-to-axle measurement as Indy or thunder.

From earlier in this thread.
"Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”)"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on August 15, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
I got some af1s to try out. Just got done with some ventures, tried the classics in 44 and 55 before (liked the 44, didn't like the 55s).

They just feel like indys to me, I dont notice anything crazy with the turn, pop, or grind. They just feel like they stepped up the quality of the classics. I dont think they're worth 63 bucks but I'm enjoying them. the metal feels higher quality, and they have better kingpin clearance than the classics which I wasn't expecting so that was cool.

I still think indys are the best value for a pair of trucks. like 50 bucks and the hangers have a ton of metal on them, good kingpin clearance, good grind, good turn, lots of bushings. I think venture is close second because you can grind them down to the axle before you hit kingpin and they're like 40 bucks, plus on sale all the time.

I will say if you're a tweaker about ghost pop, which I too would whiff kickflips with indys on my board, the af1s seem to fix that for me. I'll probably get some thunders to try again next, maybe do the inverted kingpin on them, or get another pair of ventures or something. these are pretty good though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on August 15, 2022, 04:47:47 PM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.


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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 15, 2022, 09:56:56 PM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
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I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 15, 2022, 10:51:29 PM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
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I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.

Yeah, I had some 149s with blown out bushings which I replaced with some Ace bushings off of a set of axled and bent Classics and they work great. I don't know if the bushings match height-wise or anything, but frankly I've adjusted to it and it have absolutely no complaints.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2022, 12:34:43 AM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 16, 2022, 02:23:18 AM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.

This could either be a solution for my truck madness, or gasoline on my madness fire.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bold on August 16, 2022, 03:44:24 AM
Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.

Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 16, 2022, 06:40:25 AM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
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Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?

Which is what?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bold on August 16, 2022, 11:55:31 AM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
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Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?
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Which is what?

They stick out too far with normal width wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 16, 2022, 12:12:29 PM
I don't think so. Might depend on the size truck. On my 60s and 66s, if anything there isn't enough axle. I doubt they will change this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 16, 2022, 12:35:21 PM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
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Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?
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Which is what?
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They stick out too far with normal width wheels.

I see what you mean if you're using super skinny wheels, but it's really not a problem at all. The long axles are intentional and give you lots of width options by using none or up to 3 speed rings between hanger and wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 16, 2022, 12:40:52 PM
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Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
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I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.
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Yeah, I had some 149s with blown out bushings which I replaced with some Ace bushings off of a set of axled and bent Classics and they work great. I don't know if the bushings match height-wise or anything, but frankly I've adjusted to it and it have absolutely no complaints.

From what I've heard, Ace standard are slightly taller than Indy bushings (2~5mm or so? Can't remember) And the lows are only 1mm shorter than Indy bushings.

The lows work great but might have sightly too much kingpin uncovered perhaps?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 17, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
I have been skating ace trucks all week and it may sound strange but the 55s feel lighter than my Indy 149s ground down 1/8”. According to the data Ace trucks are heavier.

Looking at my risers it looks like the Ace trucks push the wheel base in about 1/2”. Maybe the shorter wheel base on the same deck makes it feel like it takes less effort ollie off the tail and nose.

Also, on my 14.75” wheelbase deck my trucks aren’t squirrelly but I’m sure my standard 14.25” size would be a different story.

All and all not that different from Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2022, 01:34:53 PM
I'll dip on those hollow 8.5" standard AF1s

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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
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I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.
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Yeah, I had some 149s with blown out bushings which I replaced with some Ace bushings off of a set of axled and bent Classics and they work great. I don't know if the bushings match height-wise or anything, but frankly I've adjusted to it and it have absolutely no complaints.
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From what I've heard, Ace standard are slightly taller than Indy bushings (2~5mm or so? Can't remember) And the lows are only 1mm shorter than Indy bushings.

The lows work great but might have sightly too much kingpin uncovered perhaps?

The ACE classic bottom and top are both taller than the current (china) stock bushings (used to only be the top that was taller but the new indy stock bottoms are about 1mm shorter than the old stocks/ace bottoms).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 17, 2022, 01:37:58 PM
@GardenSkater77 Classics or AF1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 17, 2022, 01:40:10 PM
@GardenSkater77 Classics or AF1?

Classics, badum dum dum dum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 17, 2022, 01:45:54 PM
Yep. I get it. I've been on classic 55s recently and I can't get off them. Even though they should be too wide for my purposes and usual tastes, I've been doing my best flip tricks in recent times on them.

FYI, there are super cheap Classic 55s on sale all over the place... (I already have a back up set bc I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Underpressureflips on August 17, 2022, 08:54:07 PM
Yep. I get it. I've been on classic 55s recently and I can't get off them. Even though they should be too wide for my purposes and usual tastes, I've been doing my best flip tricks in recent times on them.

FYI, there are super cheap Classic 55s on sale all over the place... (I already have a back up set bc I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued)

Where?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 17, 2022, 10:10:51 PM
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Classic_Truck/descpage-ACMBTK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Classic_Truck/descpage-ACMBTK.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 18, 2022, 12:29:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/pvcMrCK/E7340151-BF32-46-BE-AD3-B-E18843810360.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pvcMrCK)
Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.

Can’t believe it took this long to make this happen… now I’m not even sure if I want them anymore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on August 18, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
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Can’t believe it took this long to make this happen… now I’m not even sure if I want them anymore.

Feeling the same exact way. Maybe a year to a few months back this would have blown mind. Now I don't even think I'll try them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on August 18, 2022, 11:47:07 AM
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cleveridiot on August 18, 2022, 12:20:40 PM
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?

I actually feel like I can get a tighter turning radius than indy with tighter Ace's. So I get the stability of not being too floppy while still getting a deep turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 18, 2022, 12:22:39 PM
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?

Kind of? What bushings do you have on your Indys? If the standard bushings are perfect for you, just stick with Indy. If you're like swapping in some softer Bones or Indy bushings then I would recommend Ace. They have better turn radius with more rebound to the bushings than other softer bushings.

I was able to actually get a pretty good compromise between the two trucks with a pack of Ace Low Bushings on my Indy trucks. Might be something for you to experiment with.

I love Ace, they are more "fun" and turn a bit sharper, but harder to balance on when setting up flip tricks for example. If you do a lot of cruising Ace are worth trying... But if you're mainly just trick skating at spots you drive to, then Indy are going to be better for that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 18, 2022, 03:05:06 PM
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?

You don’t need to skate them loose to get the benefits. Medium tightness and they still turn great for me.

IMO they turn better but I don’t think they’re as stable overall as Indy and I don’t feel the grind is as good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 18, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
Yeah I run my aces tight. My ventures are a good medium loose and still stable but I like having my aces tight to replicate a similar predictability and stability (maybe replicate isn't the right term, but I def have to run my aces tighter than my ventures). Funny because they will still turn sharper and deeper than my ventures if I lean. Aces are definitely not a loose trucks only thing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Slugboi22 on August 18, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on August 20, 2022, 01:54:00 PM
i think i have to just try them. i think am going to run the Ace Hard bushings. I just run the standard stock bushings on my indy's and i like it. my friend actually suggested i try the bones Extra Hard bushings, i think he said they were 99a. I actually ride the indy fairly loose like only 1 thread down so maybe i can just tighten it to like 1.5 threads on Ace and go from there. that is the only way to truly know if you liek it better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 20, 2022, 04:44:41 PM
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Can’t believe it took this long to make this happen… now I’m not even sure if I want them anymore.

Really wish they would have just iterated on the classics. A lighter 44 classic would be so ideal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 21, 2022, 06:18:46 PM
if i get a new job ill say fuck it and make an all hollow ace 55 low
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 21, 2022, 07:47:44 PM
i think i have to just try them. i think am going to run the Ace Hard bushings. I just run the standard stock bushings on my indy's and i like it. my friend actually suggested i try the bones Extra Hard bushings, i think he said they were 99a. I actually ride the indy fairly loose like only 1 thread down so maybe i can just tighten it to like 1.5 threads on Ace and go from there. that is the only way to truly know if you liek it better.

I don't think you will need to change the bushings on your Aces to be honest. The default bushings are just fine tighter (unless you are a heavier-set guy, then maybe the hards would be worth it)... but just as a reminder: just like with any new trucks, ride on them loose for a while for (a session or two) to wear them in before cranking the truck tightness to where you like it.

To clarify, the point of my reply was essentially to suggest: just stick with Indys if that's what you're comfortable with. The two of them aren't terribly different all things considered. While I personally prefer Ace at this point in my skating, I'm also pretty trash these days. If my main goal was to continue progressing, I would say its more important to just stick with a setup you enjoy than messing with things like (in this case) your truck height.

That being said, I'm not going to talk someone out of buying Aces... they are great, and they lived up to the hype for me. The only major downside for me is they are very heavy (but so are Indy Standards) and its a bit more difficult to set up tricks on them at times.

If you like intentionally carving back and forth rather than just skating forward, you will love these trucks. I've always done that, and these make it so much more enjoyable with how they help you rebound back from a turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheSickness on August 21, 2022, 08:32:52 PM
The truth!! I can't ride without wheelbite on regular Ace stock bushings.  I get the hard bushings and I get the turn and the buttery grind I love with Aces!  I am hooked on the soft grind of Aces...so satisfying.   8)

I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on August 22, 2022, 01:12:12 AM
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!

hv mine set with indy 94hard conical bushings..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on August 22, 2022, 05:42:15 AM
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!

I also find Af1s with Ace hard bushings to be the perfect match.
They're stable but turn very well. It seems the hard bushings are little taller than Af1 stock bushings?  :o
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on August 22, 2022, 07:46:32 AM
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I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
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I also find Af1s with Ace hard bushings to be the perfect match.
They're stable but turn very well. It seems the hard bushings are little taller than Af1 stock bushings?  :o

My friend said he thought that as well. I like the sound of that too tbh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on August 26, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?

Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?

On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weon on August 26, 2022, 02:32:52 PM
Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?

Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?

On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot

Frank dm'ed them like a man

(https://i.imgur.com/7cJjAq2.png)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 26, 2022, 03:46:26 PM
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Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?

Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?

On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot
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Frank dm'ed them like a man

(https://i.imgur.com/7cJjAq2.png)

crazy that's pretty much the weight of a standard thunder now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on August 26, 2022, 04:45:34 PM
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Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?

Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?

On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot
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Frank dm'ed them like a man

(https://i.imgur.com/7cJjAq2.png)
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crazy that's pretty much the weight of a standard thunder now

Hearing that makes my madness get even worse
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on August 26, 2022, 05:06:23 PM
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Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?

Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?

On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot
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Frank dm'ed them like a man

(https://i.imgur.com/7cJjAq2.png)
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crazy that's pretty much the weight of a standard thunder now

hoping they release an ace high eventually
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 26, 2022, 05:13:28 PM
As a weight whore, reading 'each truck is an ounce lighter' doesn't get me excited...now 28.3495 grams...that's more exciting :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 26, 2022, 05:15:48 PM
So what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 26, 2022, 05:17:24 PM
As a weight whore, reading 'each truck is an ounce lighter' doesn't get me excited...now 28.3495 grams...that's more exciting :P

Wait a minute, they advertised the AF1 lows as being 33g lighter than standard AF1s. Which wasn't even true, but how are these heavier now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 26, 2022, 05:19:49 PM
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As a weight whore, reading 'each truck is an ounce lighter' doesn't get me excited...now 28.3495 grams...that's more exciting :P
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Wait a minute, they advertised the AF1 lows as being 33g lighter than standard AF1s. Which wasn't even true, but how are these heavier now?

Perhaps the low plate has less material?

I'm just going by 1oz < - > grams but yeah, the low weight wasn't close to accurate and I don't expect the AF1s to be either. Either way, a lighter ACE.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 26, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
So what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.

416g and 431g for standard AF1s, skatedeluxe.com is a great source for that information, they measure and weigh all their stuff.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 26, 2022, 05:24:32 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 26, 2022, 06:44:31 PM
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I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
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I also find Af1s with Ace hard bushings to be the perfect match.
They're stable but turn very well. It seems the hard bushings are little taller than Af1 stock bushings?  :o
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My friend said he thought that as well. I like the sound of that too tbh

I had my Aces set up somewhat loose and then the temperature dropped 10 degrees F tonight and my trucks were tight and stable like you could get with cranked Indys. No need to be concerned about the trucks being too loose—like others have said.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 31, 2022, 09:11:07 AM
Anyone got hands on the hollows yet?

I have an unused set of anodized AF1 60s I might see if I can trade for hollows at the local.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SaySo on August 31, 2022, 11:27:06 PM
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So what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.
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416g and 431g for standard AF1s, skatedeluxe.com is a great source for that information, they measure and weigh all their stuff.

r-fskate.com lists the 66 as 405g, and 77 as 422g.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on September 01, 2022, 06:38:52 AM
Anyone got hands on the hollows yet?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 01, 2022, 08:10:47 AM
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So what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.
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416g and 431g for standard AF1s, skatedeluxe.com is a great source for that information, they measure and weigh all their stuff.
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r-fskate.com lists the 66 as 405g, and 77 as 422g.

Don't know about 66 and 77, but my 44 and 55 weigh exactly as much as skatedeluxe says, so I generally trust them about that stuff.
Hollows haven't hit europe yet it seems
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 01, 2022, 02:54:52 PM
I just picked up a pair of AF1 66 Hollow Polished.

They weigh 386 grams with washers and without the little red re-threading nuts.

Well, one of them weighs 387g, but yeah, I’m not going to think about that one too hard…back truck? Kidding.

Happy Madness, everyone.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on September 01, 2022, 06:29:00 PM
I just picked up a pair of AF1 66 Hollow Polished.

They weigh 386 grams with washers and without the little red re-threading nuts.

Well, one of them weighs 387g, but yeah, I’m not going to think about that one too hard…back truck? Kidding.

Happy Madness, everyone.

I think awh distro posted some promo on the new hollows. if i remember right it was like 8 percent lighter. they advertised it around 365~ or so. don’t remember which model, but under ten percent change in weight…i think i’ll pass just to keep my madness in check
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2022, 10:01:03 PM
https://boardofmissoula.com/products/ace-af1-hollow
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on September 02, 2022, 06:17:20 AM
https://boardofmissoula.com/products/ace-af1-hollow
Dang, are these not coming in 60s, or are they just sold out from this store?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 02, 2022, 08:39:04 AM
If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on September 03, 2022, 05:15:52 AM
SoCal skate shop has em now too, no 60s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lukabrazi on September 03, 2022, 07:49:57 AM
If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).

At the moment doesn’t look like 60’s are available


Anyone gone from venture lows to ace 33 lows ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nevrwasben on September 05, 2022, 08:24:26 AM
SoCal skate shop has em now too, no 60s
I think they must’ve sold out already, because I only saw the LOW Hollows when checking.
Furnace has em, also no 60 tho…
https://www.furnaceskate.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-af1-hollow-polished?variant=41889283473592
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 05, 2022, 12:43:12 PM
I just picked up a pair of AF1 66 Hollow Polished.

They weigh 386 grams with washers and without the little red re-threading nuts.

Well, one of them weighs 387g, but yeah, I’m not going to think about that one too hard…back truck? Kidding.

Happy Madness, everyone.

That 387g is totally going to end up on the back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on September 06, 2022, 08:44:16 AM
Interested in the hollows

Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?

Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?

I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 06, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
Interested in the hollows

Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?

Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?

I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.

Can't speak to the ace hollows, but I'm well into the hollow axle of my indy's and haven't had any issues yet. There's a little divot in the axle where it's collapsed a little bit, but the actual hollow part is so small and the axles is sort of being closed as you grind, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on September 06, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
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Interested in the hollows

Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?

Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?

I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.
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Can't speak to the ace hollows, but I'm well into the hollow axle of my indy's and haven't had any issues yet. There's a little divot in the axle where it's collapsed a little bit, but the actual hollow part is so small and the axles is sort of being closed as you grind, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.
Yup.
Once you're into the hollow axle enough to "cut it open," you're likely just a short time away from bending the hanger anyways. I managed to get a set of trucks to that state & it was only a few good sessions later that the axles bent & a hanger cracked.
As for the grinds, I never noticed a problem w/ snagging or hanging up as a result of the axle being opened up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 06, 2022, 02:03:15 PM
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Interested in the hollows

Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?

Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?

I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.
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Can't speak to the ace hollows, but I'm well into the hollow axle of my indy's and haven't had any issues yet. There's a little divot in the axle where it's collapsed a little bit, but the actual hollow part is so small and the axles is sort of being closed as you grind, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.
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Yup.
Once you're into the hollow axle enough to "cut it open," you're likely just a short time away from bending the hanger anyways. I managed to get a set of trucks to that state & it was only a few good sessions later that the axles bent & a hanger cracked.
As for the grinds, I never noticed a problem w/ snagging or hanging up as a result of the axle being opened up.

listen to the truck god
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on September 06, 2022, 02:49:04 PM
Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.

most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.

thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself

and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DillsDarts on September 06, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).

I’m pretty positive you’ll be able to swap the hollow hangers out just as you were the lows…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 06, 2022, 03:32:24 PM
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If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).
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I’m pretty positive you’ll be able to swap the hollow hangers out just as you were the lows…

Genius plan
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 06, 2022, 04:26:50 PM
Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.

most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.

thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself

and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet

Hollow axle won't have any effect on the strength of the hanger. I'm sure they're essentially identical. Maybe the axle itself will break sooner than a non-hollow axle, but at that point you're trucks are essentially dead anyway.

A photo of my truck below. It sort of looks like my axle has an axle, there's basically a little ditch in the middle of it. So far, it mostly just collects wax, it doesn't seem to get caught on anything...

(https://i.imgur.com/So4SE0u.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on September 06, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
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Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.

most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.

thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself

and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet
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Hollow axle won't have any effect on the strength of the hanger. I'm sure they're essentially identical. Maybe the axle itself will break sooner than a non-hollow axle, but at that point you're trucks are essentially dead anyway.

A photo of my truck below. It sort of looks like my axle has an axle, there's basically a little ditch in the middle of it. So far, it mostly just collects wax, it doesn't seem to get caught on anything...

(https://i.imgur.com/So4SE0u.jpg)

Thanks for the pic. Nice eagle. That board always gets me stoked. I’m reluctant to admit an axled truck is dead lol that’s when the truck is well seasoned.

I see what you mean. If it collects wax hardcore it should be fine. Plus I’m sure the metal smears and fills the gap anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 06, 2022, 04:50:24 PM
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Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.

most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.

thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself

and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet
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Hollow axle won't have any effect on the strength of the hanger. I'm sure they're essentially identical. Maybe the axle itself will break sooner than a non-hollow axle, but at that point you're trucks are essentially dead anyway.

A photo of my truck below. It sort of looks like my axle has an axle, there's basically a little ditch in the middle of it. So far, it mostly just collects wax, it doesn't seem to get caught on anything...

(https://i.imgur.com/So4SE0u.jpg)
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Thanks for the pic. Nice eagle. That board always gets me stoked. I’m reluctant to admit an axled truck is dead lol that’s when the truck is well seasoned.

I see what you mean. If it collects wax hardcore it should be fine. Plus I’m sure the metal smears and fills the gap anyway.

I was hoping that there would actually be a sick little hole in the middle of my truck, but no luck. I actually used a key to scrape the built up wax out so you could see the little ditch clearer. At this point I'm running these trucks until something breaks, so maybe there will be updates in the curb thread or truck set up threads later on...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 06, 2022, 05:18:48 PM
Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled?

All things being equal, a hollow axle is as strong or stronger than a solid axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on September 06, 2022, 05:31:59 PM
In the not Ace but well over halfway through a forged hollow axle club.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Rp2Vd2h/7-E4-E2-AC8-210-E-41-DC-9-A95-DDA2-CD03-D864.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JpFrkyX)
 Can’t see it in the crappy pic, but it runs up to the kingpin. I tried grinding it in half, but it bent enough to start coning wheels, so they went on a cruiser.
In all honesty, I really think they start grinding better once you hit axle.

*edit if you’re hucking down anything big it may break on you. I’m old and in the low pop zone so no worries.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CaptainCheeks on September 07, 2022, 03:52:56 AM
Anybody put the low ace bushings in their standard height trucks for a looser ride. Whats the best loose bushings for aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 07, 2022, 08:17:16 AM
just got ACE AF1 Size 60. gonna set them up soon
I got Independent Hard Bushings to go with them, hopefully they fit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 07, 2022, 10:07:20 AM
just got ACE AF1 Size 60. gonna set them up soon
I got Independent Hard Bushings to go with them, hopefully they fit
bottom cylinder will be a little shorter, thus bringing your wb in a hair.

side note, i love the indy hards. favorite bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 07, 2022, 09:55:03 PM
Anybody put the low ace bushings in their standard height trucks for a looser ride. Whats the best loose bushings for aces

I found swapping cupped washers for flat ones (both top and bottom) smoothed out the feel of the stock bushings while leaning into a carve.

With stock cupped washers the lean into a turn feels like it has stages to me. Flat washers have the turn feeling more fluid and surfy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 08, 2022, 07:01:28 AM
ok so when i first put them together i was like "man this is way too fucking loose"

cranked it down a bunch of threads til it eventaully sorta felt tight again. wasnt a huge fan , felt like i was fighting it. noticed the gummy was coming out of the cup a bit too. didnt want that. un cranked it back to normal again like 1-2 thread. tried riding it again like this and actually this time it didnt seem that bad. it is very loose, but it felt so much more stable than my indy;s did when they were really loose. i could push really fast and i wasnt wobbling around, it was only turning when i needed it to.

idk if i could skate stairs / drops with it like this, but i think i can do basically everything else. i actually really like the way it turns. the pinch feels absolutely insane. so mcuh better.im not really sure why. it feels like i am going to wheel bite a lot with this but it might not be too bad. i am riding like ~56-57mm wheels rn and i dont wanna set up risers.

do you guys normally ride smaller wheels with these trucks?

i have another board at 8.5" i can do stairs with if i really want to...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 08, 2022, 07:15:23 AM
ok so when i first put them together i was like "man this is way too fucking loose"

cranked it down a bunch of threads til it eventaully sorta felt tight again. wasnt a huge fan , felt like i was fighting it. noticed the gummy was coming out of the cup a bit too. didnt want that. un cranked it back to normal again like 1-2 thread. tried riding it again like this and actually this time it didnt seem that bad. it is very loose, but it felt so much more stable than my indy;s did when they were really loose. i could push really fast and i wasnt wobbling around, it was only turning when i needed it to.

idk if i could skate stairs / drops with it like this, but i think i can do basically everything else. i actually really like the way it turns. the pinch feels absolutely insane. so mcuh better.im not really sure why. it feels like i am going to wheel bite a lot with this but it might not be too bad. i am riding like ~56-57mm wheels rn and i dont wanna set up risers.

do you guys normally ride smaller wheels with these trucks?

i have another board at 8.5" i can do stairs with if i really want to...

The deep turn helps with wheelbite, but they are still a 53mm tall truck that likes to turn so wheelbite is always possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 08, 2022, 07:50:26 AM

The bushings were stupid loose feeling right away but really wear in nicely after a while, so although they are still turny and loose feeling, they seem like they balance out a lot more after a few sessions too.

At least that is how it seems to me on the few sets I have on boards.

For people who prefer tighter trucks in general, others have said the hard bushing kit is good as well.

I have 56mm wheels on a set of AF1 55s with a minimal rubber pad in there, maybe not even 1mm and they skate well, along with a set of 55mm wheels on Classic 44s with the same rubber pads on another board.

Might need a touch more than that for 58mm wheels though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on September 08, 2022, 08:57:31 AM
ok so when i first put them together i was like "man this is way too fucking loose"

cranked it down a bunch of threads til it eventaully sorta felt tight again. wasnt a huge fan , felt like i was fighting it. noticed the gummy was coming out of the cup a bit too. didnt want that. un cranked it back to normal again like 1-2 thread. tried riding it again like this and actually this time it didnt seem that bad. it is very loose, but it felt so much more stable than my indy;s did when they were really loose. i could push really fast and i wasnt wobbling around, it was only turning when i needed it to.

idk if i could skate stairs / drops with it like this, but i think i can do basically everything else. i actually really like the way it turns. the pinch feels absolutely insane. so mcuh better.im not really sure why. it feels like i am going to wheel bite a lot with this but it might not be too bad. i am riding like ~56-57mm wheels rn and i dont wanna set up risers.

do you guys normally ride smaller wheels with these trucks?

i have another board at 8.5" i can do stairs with if i really want to...

The rule of thumb for breaking in Aces is to ride them stock tightness until they break in, which can take a few days. The bushing popping out is normal (and a sign that they arent broken in yet).They stiffen up when fully broken in and are more reboundy.

I ride 56mm, no riser, and rarely wheel bite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 08, 2022, 03:05:17 PM
I once again wanna say that there's no such thing as "stock tightness" with Ace. They are not assembled with a torque wrench; some guy with a pneumatic hammer at the factory wizzed them on to whatever he felt like. When my AF-1s arrived, there were like three threads showing on one truck and none showing on the other.

Adjust them however you like and give them time for the bushings to break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on September 08, 2022, 05:12:05 PM
Is this a typo/inaccurate listing, or are there actually low hollows (meaning hollow axle) also?
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/ace-af1-low-hollow-trucks-polished-assorted-sizes-348-7795175162111/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on September 10, 2022, 02:22:14 AM
the bushing popping out never happened to me or anyone i know. just posting this so those who believe slap is reality can see its not everyone's experience that they pop out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 10, 2022, 06:35:09 AM
Is this a typo/inaccurate listing, or are there actually low hollows (meaning hollow axle) also?
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/ace-af1-low-hollow-trucks-polished-assorted-sizes-348-7795175162111/


I was curious and had a look.

The information from the "Details" tab, which may not show up on mobile or other device that comes up on a computer has a whole lot of info from the manufacturer, as per the Ace info when released, which states hollow kingpin, but nothing about hollow axle.

They are definitely the new low version though, coming in at 49mm in height.


Guessing you would not be the first and definitely not the last to question the hollow axle thing, as that was the one of the main questions people were asking about the new ones coming out, but as yet it is only hollow kingpins that I have seen.


Does ace make hollow trucks?

The ACE AF1 LOW features HOLLOW Kingpins for a lightweight, lower profile AF1.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 10, 2022, 01:45:43 PM
I’m really liking my current setup with the new AF1-66 Hollows (kingpin and axle, not low) on a 9.0 Polar popsicle. I was about to get some 169 Hollows, but the shop had the new Ace drop in stock. 1/8th risers and wheels wells too.

Ace Hard bushings are feeling nice on there for the most part. At times I wish they were softer, but mostly they’re just right. No clicking.

I’ve really enjoyed my classic 44’s and 55’s in the past as well but I think these AF1 66 Hollows are my favorite so far. Time and Madness will tell.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 10, 2022, 01:54:54 PM
yeah once i have them normal again, the bushing is not slipping out at all. it was not sitting with me right that i had the nut cranked down on it like that, was just sitting in work thinking about it and had to go out to my car and loosen it up right away. doesnt seem like i did any damage to the bushing (i didnt crank it that hard, maybe 3-4 threads) so now its back to ~1 and feels perfect.

day 3 now on them,
i actually got really use to it just having it at stock really quickly and forgot i was even on new trucks the 3rd session. as i said before, it is actually super stable if you are on top of it and it felt like it did when i had the indy's Tight. but when i need to turn, fuck yes it turns, and just how i need it to.

i dont really feel any sense of needing to "get used" to these trucks anymore. all my grinds are going really well.

it feels way more fun to skate. slappys and wallride tricks feel way easier because i can make the approach i want. i feel like i dont need to abandon tries as often due to not getting the correct steering. i dont really skate stairs anymore and havent for a long time... so i dont see why this wouldtn be my normal truck from now on.

the way it feels when you pick it up feels AMAZING nice and smooth. indys feel rough as heel and axles exposed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: swongolianbbq on September 10, 2022, 06:43:02 PM
Lol just set up my first Aces, AF1 55's, and just found out those new hollows exist. Been skating hollow indys for years, and the aces for sure seem kinda heavy. Prolly just gonna stick with it? But I kinda want those hollows tho!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 12, 2022, 06:45:41 AM
i really didnt notice any difference in weight going from Hollow Indys to Polished Aces. i imagine the indys are lighter though. I cant find hard numbers on what different trucks weigh at the same size.

I feel like i am starting to get really passive aggressive towards indy riders even though i still ride them on my other board
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 12, 2022, 08:10:34 AM
i really didnt notice any difference in weight going from Hollow Indys to Polished Aces. i imagine the indys are lighter though. I cant find hard numbers on what different trucks weigh at the same size.

I feel like i am starting to get really passive aggressive towards indy riders even though i still ride them on my other board

via Tactics:

https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-low-hollow-kingpin-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-60
(https://i.ibb.co/Trf0FkV/f64af13a5c5e637989d0cb511607e443.png)

https://www.tactics.com/independent/hollow-stage-11-skateboard-trucks/silver-159
(https://i.ibb.co/jDY1VSL/90dd3ca6452e44a27508ec1e752fcda6.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 12, 2022, 08:16:53 AM
thanks breakfast! So its not crazy different from the looks of it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 12, 2022, 08:54:37 AM
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i really didnt notice any difference in weight going from Hollow Indys to Polished Aces. i imagine the indys are lighter though. I cant find hard numbers on what different trucks weigh at the same size.

I feel like i am starting to get really passive aggressive towards indy riders even though i still ride them on my other board
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via Tactics:

https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-low-hollow-kingpin-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-60
(https://i.ibb.co/Trf0FkV/f64af13a5c5e637989d0cb511607e443.png)

https://www.tactics.com/independent/hollow-stage-11-skateboard-trucks/silver-159
(https://i.ibb.co/jDY1VSL/90dd3ca6452e44a27508ec1e752fcda6.png)

how are they even coming up with all these different height specs on those ace lows?
All sizes should be 49mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 12, 2022, 03:39:30 PM
Ace just announced a new size "80" in the comments of this post.
Also inverted kingpin "soonish" and hollow 60s coming soon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on September 12, 2022, 07:27:28 PM
Oh yea gonna get a pair of hollow for my lows baby!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 12, 2022, 08:14:24 PM
Ace just announced a new size "80" in the comments of this post.
Also inverted kingpin "soonish" and hollow 60s coming soon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1019083381562151003/Screenshot_20220912-201304.png)

Indy 215 users drooling right now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 12, 2022, 08:58:42 PM
They seem to be going all in. How about mag plates again or forged? Titanium axles? All magnesium? Looking forward to what the future holds. Although I have no need for the 80s and I don’t usually care for lighter trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 12, 2022, 09:17:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lFdMOZYl.png)

Been running this for awhile after having problems ripping different types of cups and warping the baseplates of AF1's. Stage 7 baseplates with inverted kingpins. Using the stock super hard plastic cups that come in new China Indy's. No issues and the geometry is perfect, the turn feels just as good, if not maybe even better? No issues with the kingpin loosening either. AF1 44 hangers, low top bushings for more clearance.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chillclinton87 on September 13, 2022, 06:58:33 AM
Any euro pals got leads to the new hollows round these parts? did they already drop in EU?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 13, 2022, 10:31:00 AM
So they weigh what an Indy Standard does now?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on September 17, 2022, 07:12:01 AM
Spankys setup

(https://i.ibb.co/N9MzqRk/AB2-BE7-E7-2172-425-A-A6-C4-F17-EB5-EDA2-A4.png) (https://ibb.co/6Hk5SQp)
online find duplicates (https://dedupelist.com/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 17, 2022, 01:16:08 PM
Mid session today I noticed a weird sound coming from AF1 66 Hollows.

It’s a good thing I stopped when I did because the hanger on my rear truck was rattling loose and about a thread away from falling off.

When I went to tighten it I was able to tighten it down till the nut was flush with kingpin by using my finger. Strange. Hard bushings too.

I swapped the nut and the same thing happened again pretty quickly. I wasn’t even doing much.

Swapped the nut AGAIN and swapped out the broken-in Ace Hard bushings for the stock bushings, tightened down a thread or so past flush and it seems to be OK for now.

Running the Ace Hard bushings with the nuts flush has been good for me in the past, and is my preference but I guess this one kingpin doesn’t like that. It’s weird that it does this with hard bushings and not the softer ones.


Edit: OK, now I‘ve taken apart the front truck too and the kingpin is super loose. Bummer. Warranty time, both trucks.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 18, 2022, 11:50:00 AM
The kingpin is loose in the baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 18, 2022, 12:42:49 PM
The kingpin is loose in the baseplate?

Yes it is
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 18, 2022, 05:48:05 PM
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The kingpin is loose in the baseplate?
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Yes it is


When I first saw that I thought "Well that would make it easier to remove for those people who wanted to put in an inverted kingpin" but then also thought if it is coming loose, the hole widens out and that would cause more issues in the long run.

Best to use the warranty option if it is available.

I only really mess with stuff and really take everything apart and change it around if the trucks, wheels or whatever are long past that, but any other issues, at least the companies like Ace are good to take care of customers.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 18, 2022, 06:18:45 PM
Ace customer service will handle it. It’s all good. I was enjoying the trucks so I’m just looking forward to skating them again.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 19, 2022, 06:07:37 AM
Sounds like maybe it wasn't pressed into the baseplate all the way properly from the factory? I don't see how it could come loose so fast considering the casting is stronger
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Chronic85 on September 19, 2022, 07:19:12 AM
Any euro pals got leads to the new hollows round these parts? did they already drop in EU?

Thanks in advance

Just asked Skatedeluxe if they got any info on the hollows. They said early October.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 19, 2022, 09:16:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lFdMOZYl.png)

Been running this for awhile after having problems ripping different types of cups and warping the baseplates of AF1's. Stage 7 baseplates with inverted kingpins. Using the stock super hard plastic cups that come in new China Indy's. No issues and the geometry is perfect, the turn feels just as good, if not maybe even better? No issues with the kingpin loosening either. AF1 44 hangers, low top bushings for more clearance.

My controversial take is that those hard plastic cups function as well or better than any fancy polyurethane ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 19, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
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The kingpin is loose in the baseplate?
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Yes it is

The kingpin on both of my Classics came loose. Eventually, like you, I just got Ace to replace them under warranty and they sent me some AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 19, 2022, 09:21:41 AM
My kingpins come loose on all my trucks.(Ace, Thunder and Indy) I like it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mcidraque on September 19, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
Any euro pals got leads to the new hollows round these parts? did they already drop in EU?

Thanks in advance

southern europe distro told me they should be here around next month.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 19, 2022, 12:40:02 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/lFdMOZYl.png)

Been running this for awhile after having problems ripping different types of cups and warping the baseplates of AF1's. Stage 7 baseplates with inverted kingpins. Using the stock super hard plastic cups that come in new China Indy's. No issues and the geometry is perfect, the turn feels just as good, if not maybe even better? No issues with the kingpin loosening either. AF1 44 hangers, low top bushings for more clearance.
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My controversial take is that those hard plastic cups function as well or better than any fancy polyurethane ones.

They definitely do, and seem indestructible. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as their aftermarket cup options, seems like they only come stock in that crazy hard style plastic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 19, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
I’ve bought replacements from my shop so unless they are aftermarket, I assume that they sell them in some kind of bulk package of spare parts shops buy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 21, 2022, 06:51:55 AM
I understand now why people say you start loose as possible then slowly tighten the trucks. Because it will slowly start to get even looser over time. it doesnt feel as stable now after 2 weeks of riding them. then you can tighten it down a bit more slowly to compensate for it somewhat. i started it about 1/2 thread down hopefully its not too bad. the bushings still seems in good shape, very minimal signs of tearing yet. i do still have the original Ace Bushings i could throw back in there too if these Blue Indy ones get too chewed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on September 21, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 21, 2022, 01:14:34 PM
Why ask this instead of just trying them. Squish it, if it's soft it's soft.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on September 21, 2022, 01:25:58 PM
Why ask this instead of just trying them. Squish it, if it's soft it's soft.

Because I have severe madness and there always has to be something about my set up to constantly question haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 21, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing

Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bold on September 21, 2022, 07:08:09 PM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.

Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 21, 2022, 07:29:33 PM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.


The funny thing with some bushings is they start really REALLY mushy feeling, like there is no give to them whatsoever, but then after a while of rolling around they do firm up and get way better.

That is the feeling I had on the few sets of Ace trucks I have had, so yeah the first skate is not going to be a normal session, more just a roll around and try not to die, for quite a few people who have said that before.

I even had a couple of sets of Ace trucks people pretty much handed back, but with different bushings they were more willing to use them, or I swapped out bushings for the people to stock Indy and they were more comfortable with that, but after I had just had a few very gentle transition based sessions on their new Ace bushings, I gave the trucks / bushings back to the people and they were stoked on how they worked for them now.

Obviously this is just one situation really, but try to give them a little before trying to tighten them down to skate in a "business as usual" way and they should perform way better for you.


If not, as said try the Ace hard bushing kit, or any other bushings you have from other trucks first.


The AF1 trucks, I ended up with maybe three threads on the back showing and angle grinded the kingpin down and now they are still stable loose (not crazy loose) with more kingpin clearance too.

Classics I had the nut flush and they seemed to work well at that point, but they are more on a cruiser type setup with risers and big soft wheels, more so than skating them normally, on the one set I had right from new.

Other used sets of Classics the bushings were quite firm, but I don't know what the person did with them before they came to me to end up like that.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 21, 2022, 07:30:17 PM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
Stock bushings, nuts flush. You just need to ride those bushings, after a while they harden up. Best bushings in the biz imo.
e. What dude above me said.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 21, 2022, 10:13:20 PM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
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Stock bushings, nuts flush. You just need to ride those bushings, after a while they harden up. Best bushings in the biz imo.
e. What dude above me said.

Exactly. I would say that a large majority of people riding Aces use the stock bushings and keep the nut flush. On some sets of the classics I’ve changed the washers cuz with the stock ones the trucks have been too tight but others have been fine. My first set of AF1s were crazy loose initially. Took a few sessions to firm up. Others have been consistent from the beginning. Just ride it out. Best turn, best bushings, best trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dwyck on September 22, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.

The bushings make the turn, man. Put em back on please you're missing out. You'll be able to crank em after a few sessions
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 22, 2022, 11:32:39 AM
If you really can't stand the stock Ace bushing (please give them a solid handful of sessions, like everyone has said) then try the aftermarket hards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 22, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
I didn't even really like the Ace hards they don't have the same amazing bouncy rebounds as the stock/aftermarket mediums. They are seriously amazing bushings though, put them back on they will harden up a bit, promise.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 22, 2022, 12:01:24 PM
best risers for af1s to match indy height?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 22, 2022, 12:02:31 PM
The hards get better with break in also. They loosen up a bit and rebound even better than the stock. They were ideal in hot weather but now its cooled down again they are feeling a little hard for my taste. Seasonal Bushing Mental Meltdown.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 22, 2022, 12:03:20 PM
best risers for af1s to match indy height?

Ace Risers fit perfectly but will be the tiniest bit higher than a Indy. We're talking 1mm...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 22, 2022, 12:06:07 PM
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best risers for af1s to match indy height?
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Ace Risers fit perfectly but will be the tiniest bit higher than a Indy. We're talking 1mm...

would the Ace Shockpads be any better? They're thinner than the risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 22, 2022, 12:06:24 PM
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best risers for af1s to match indy height?
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Ace Risers fit perfectly but will be the tiniest bit higher than a Indy. We're talking 1mm...

would you recommend the 1/8 or 1/16? the 1/16 is soft
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 22, 2022, 12:09:02 PM
1/16th risers are about 1.5mm 1/8th risers are about 3mm (fractions of a mm more). So a 1/8th riser would put an af1 right about an indy standard height, and a 1/16th riser would put an af1 at an indy forged height.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 22, 2022, 12:09:34 PM
1/16th risers are about 1.5mm 1/8th risers are about 3mm (fractions of a mm more). So a 1/8th riser would put an af1 right about an indy standard height, and a 1/16th riser would put an af1 at an indy forged height.

awesome! thank you so much
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 22, 2022, 12:09:40 PM
1/8" is about 3mm
1/16" is about 1.5mm

I like both but typically prefer the 1/8" as I am an old, slow, heavy bloke who likes loose trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on September 22, 2022, 12:11:05 PM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
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The bushings make the turn, man. Put em back on please you're missing out. You'll be able to crank em after a few sessions

Stock bushings is comparable to sex. Cant really do much with it when it soft and squishy but tease it alittle and give it time to get comfortable/gain some confidence and that thing will harden up and give you the best ride of your life.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 22, 2022, 12:13:26 PM
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1/16th risers are about 1.5mm 1/8th risers are about 3mm (fractions of a mm more). So a 1/8th riser would put an af1 right about an indy standard height, and a 1/16th riser would put an af1 at an indy forged height.
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awesome! thank you so much

np
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: In A Jar on September 23, 2022, 07:56:40 AM
I'm struggling with some setup madness.  Trying to move to a larger board, bigger wheelbase (14.5") because I'm big and getting old and I feel dumb riding smaller boards now. Finding the right trucks have been a struggle.  I tried AF1 55s and they were decent, but the weight was hard for me to flip.  Has anyone tried the hollows do they actually feel lighter and flip faster?  Any comparisons to forged hollow Indy 149s would also be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 23, 2022, 08:06:56 AM
I have not but I am also old and big.   I've found the best remedy when my set ups are feeling heavy and sluggish is smaller wheels, lowering the rig. More stable, responsive and flips better. Not to say lighter trucks won't help but I've never messed with hollow anything...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 23, 2022, 09:42:04 AM
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: doublesteveburger on September 23, 2022, 09:50:23 AM
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?

check that pivot cup, mine did the same thing even though i had the classics and it stopped once i switch that lil fucker out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 23, 2022, 09:55:08 AM
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?

Because they click and no one knows why. I haven't been able to find an adequate answer and no matter what I try, they'll just click again every once in a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 23, 2022, 10:00:17 AM
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Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
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Because they click and no one knows why. I haven't been able to find an adequate answer and no matter what I try, they'll just click again every once in a while.

Pretty sure the clicking has been identified as the bushing spilling over, or the washer itself moving from side to side
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 23, 2022, 11:53:23 AM
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Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
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Because they click and no one knows why. I haven't been able to find an adequate answer and no matter what I try, they'll just click again every once in a while.
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Pretty sure the clicking has been identified as the bushing spilling over, or the washer itself moving from side to side

I don’t think the bushings bulging over the washer is related as that doesn’t happen in AF1s but I do think it was identified as one of the washers clicking against the kingpin. It’s happened on all my AF1s and it goes away eventually. Doesn’t bother me much. Would be nicer if it didn’t happen but it does. Someone had a fix too but I can’t really what it was as I didn’t care enough to try it myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on September 23, 2022, 07:03:31 PM
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.

ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?

If I remember it's to do with the hole in the washers for the bushings being maybe too big. Think people swapped the washers out (maybe Indy ones) and it helped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on September 24, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Hey,
I looked around in the thread but still wasnt sure what was the best option if my classic 55's front truck kingpin is starting to get loose. Is it because its broken or that even if I switch it to another one the kingpin hole is already hole-out so it wont change anything? Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 24, 2022, 02:30:53 PM
Hey,
I looked around in the thread but still wasnt sure what was the best option if my classic 55's front truck kingpin is starting to get loose. Is it because its broken or that even if I switch it to another one the kingpin hole is already hole-out so it wont change anything? Thanks!

Your best bet is to email Ace about a warranty. This happened to me (both trucks), I reached out to Ace and they offered some replacements. I requested some AF1s 44s, and they sent them to me without any hassle. The whole thing took like six days, though I know some people here say that they had to bug Ace a few times.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 24, 2022, 04:13:17 PM
I had pivot cup blow out and clicking and although I asked Ace just for some cups they sent me an entire set of trucks. Their warranty service is great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 24, 2022, 09:47:29 PM
Hey,
I looked around in the thread but still wasnt sure what was the best option if my classic 55's front truck kingpin is starting to get loose. Is it because its broken or that even if I switch it to another one the kingpin hole is already hole-out so it wont change anything? Thanks!

Even if you get new trucks as a warranty replacement the kingpin can be salvaged. Just hammer it out, put a bunch steel epoxy in there and hammer it back in. I’ve done this to two sets of old Ace 44s and had no issues since. If you do this, remember to be careful not to bend the baseplate and use a nut on the kingpin so you won’t fuck up the kingpin threads while hammering. You also need a bolt or something to hammer the kingpin back in deep enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 25, 2022, 05:13:32 AM
I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.

Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.

I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 25, 2022, 06:42:20 AM
I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.

Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.

I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.

I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on September 25, 2022, 07:23:00 AM
Anyone here put an inverted kingpin into an AF1?

Any tips? I hear the kingpin can be a bitch to get out.
And do you prep the inside of the baseplate for the steel epoxy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 25, 2022, 08:17:34 AM
Anyone here put an inverted kingpin into an AF1?

Any tips? I hear the kingpin can be a bitch to get out.
And do you prep the inside of the baseplate for the steel epoxy?

I did it to my 44 classics and I know I cant stop you from doing this so use jb weld steel stick and get a kreper kingpin or krux.

It's not really worth it I think because I had to completely remove the truck everytime I wanted to tighten/adjust. I felt it also removed alot of what makes the truck work.

If youve ever seen that Simpsons episode where bart sells his soul? That's you replacing the kingpin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: con_hielo on September 25, 2022, 10:45:54 AM
Thanks for all the feedback! Ive send a email to the customer service and meanwhile put an old kingpin from a blown out baseplate. If it does get loose again, Im give it another try with the epoxy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bold on September 25, 2022, 11:18:33 AM
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Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
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Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.

All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
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Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.

Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.

I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.

How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?

All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
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The bushings make the turn, man. Put em back on please you're missing out. You'll be able to crank em after a few sessions
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Stock bushings is comparable to sex. Cant really do much with it when it soft and squishy but tease it alittle and give it time to get comfortable/gain some confidence and that thing will harden up and give you the best ride of your life.

Sex you say. Ok I'm sold. I put the stock bushings back in but I did have to tighten the nut to about 2 or 3 threads showing to start with. Plan to loosen them a bit each week.
Hopefully if I keep playing with it, things will stiffen up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 25, 2022, 08:09:42 PM
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I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.

Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.

I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.
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I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.
I use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.

I do grease bearing seats and bearings. Lithium in the wheel/bearing seat and high pressure molly packing the bearings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 26, 2022, 06:12:36 AM
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I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.

Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.

I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.
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I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.
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I use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.

I do grease bearing seats and bearings. Lithium in the wheel/bearing seat and high pressure molly packing the bearings.

motor oil is your friend. Dip a qtip or dab a paper towel in some, allows you to put a very light coat wherever needed. Motor oil holds up a lot better over time too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 26, 2022, 08:45:26 PM
sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 26, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)

If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 26, 2022, 09:10:24 PM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)
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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces

thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on September 26, 2022, 09:25:04 PM
Tom Penny riding Ace ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 26, 2022, 10:09:45 PM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg

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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out


If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.

That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.

Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 27, 2022, 04:49:09 AM
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I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.

Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.

I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.
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I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.
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I use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.

I do grease bearing seats and bearings. Lithium in the wheel/bearing seat and high pressure molly packing the bearings.
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motor oil is your friend. Dip a qtip or dab a paper towel in some, allows you to put a very light coat wherever needed. Motor oil holds up a lot better over time too.

There is so much fine dust here in the desert anything waxy/oily or greasy will pickup sand/clay and turn what was a lubricante into a polishing paste.
Soap does not last however when it dries it flakes away and takes all the dirt with it.
I imagine soapy water could rust washers and kingpins if used in a humid environment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on September 27, 2022, 05:14:48 AM
Can't express how much I love my AF1 55's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on September 27, 2022, 06:42:00 AM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)
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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out

mini logo (0.1" soft, 0.25" & 0,5" hard) have oblong holes, it fits any baseplate
bones have the same feature but i think they are only available in 1/8"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: The real veganshawn on September 27, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
Tom Penny riding Ace ?

Looks that way
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 27, 2022, 10:54:19 AM
sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)

Good thing about the soft rubber risers is that they're easy to trim.
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Tom Penny riding Ace ?
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Looks that way

Is there a pic im not seeing from my work pc? this is gonna make me run out to my phone.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on September 27, 2022, 10:59:44 AM
yep he has a new ad for them and youcan tell he is legit riding them cause of the white bushing (its just re used footage from the es commercial)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-NDQnAJYG/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 27, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
yep he has a new ad for them and youcan tell he is legit riding them cause of the white bushing (its just re used footage from the es commercial)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-NDQnAJYG/

Interesting, he's got them pretty tight, wonder what ones he's riding?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 27, 2022, 12:36:51 PM
They posted in their story him holding AF1 22's, the AF1 tool, and a pack of the aftermarket hards.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cky enthusiast on September 27, 2022, 01:08:34 PM
i just got ace trucks and i love them. that’s my contribution to the thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on September 27, 2022, 10:30:41 PM
Just got a set of af1 hollow 55s and I’m really digging them. I set them up on a polar 8.5” and it’s working really nice. Only complaint is the clicking but I know that’ll go away soon.

My other set is af1 44s so I can’t really tell the weight difference with the hollows. Board doesn’t feel heavy though

But yeah I think I’m only skating ace from now on. I threw some 149 Indy hollows on the polar earlier and wasn’t really liking the turn or grind. Was running conical orange bushings too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 27, 2022, 11:13:10 PM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg

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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
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If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.

That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.

Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.

The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.

Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 28, 2022, 04:01:30 AM
Two things Ace bros

Hard bushings made my clicking go away immediately and I'm also 240+ lbs for reference

Why not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the Truck and are maybe 7$
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on September 28, 2022, 06:34:19 AM
Why not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the Truck
They fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 28, 2022, 06:35:07 AM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg

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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
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If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.

That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.

Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.
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The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.

Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.

Concerning the riser that's slightly shorter than the baseplate, isn't that what you want though? So you don't stick on nose and tailslides. Riser-bite is deadly.

Edit: talking bout soft risers, hard ones might slide better actually?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 28, 2022, 06:53:07 AM
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They fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1s

They were released with the AF-1. I used them briefly with my AF-1s and they fit perfectly snug.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on September 28, 2022, 09:37:38 AM
Hard bushings are the truth. landings feel so much better
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on September 28, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg

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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
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If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.

That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.

Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.
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The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.

Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.
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Concerning the riser that's slightly shorter than the baseplate, isn't that what you want though? So you don't stick on nose and tailslides. Riser-bite is deadly.

Edit: talking bout soft risers, hard ones might slide better actually?

I use the Real universal wooden ones on my AF1s, they stuck out but still slid great and have since worn down to be flush with the baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 28, 2022, 03:07:22 PM
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Why not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the Truck
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They fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1s

My brother in Christ they fit perfectly.

I'm looking at them across the room
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 28, 2022, 05:57:46 PM
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sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg

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If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
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thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
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If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.

That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.

Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.
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The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.

Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.


I wonder if they have changed them, as the ones I had stuck out a fair bit on all sides, so I trimmed them down easily to fit.


For softer ones, I cut them to sit just ever so slightly under the baseplates which works really well.

It does bug me with some other hard ones that stick out more on one end that are not so easy to trim or make fit certain trucks though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: In A Jar on September 29, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
For those who have changed to the Ace hard bushings, how different of a ride is it?

I am almost content with the stock ones but I have them cranked down quite a bit. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 29, 2022, 08:22:32 AM
For those who have changed to the Ace hard bushings, how different of a ride is it?

I am almost content with the stock ones but I have them cranked down quite a bit.

For me at 165ish pounds. The difference wasn't extreme. Noticeable, and better imo. But if you have the kingpin but flush they would still be loose and surfy. I have like 1 1/2 threads showing on my af1s with the hard bushings in them.

If you're looking for something slightly stiffer, I'd recommend. If you're looking for something drastically more hard, these ain't it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 29, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
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For those who have changed to the Ace hard bushings, how different of a ride is it?

I am almost content with the stock ones but I have them cranked down quite a bit.
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For me at 165ish pounds. The difference wasn't extreme. Noticeable, and better imo. But if you have the kingpin but flush they would still be loose and surfy. I have like 1 1/2 threads showing on my af1s with the hard bushings in them.

If you're looking for something slightly stiffer, I'd recommend. If you're looking for something drastically more hard, these ain't it.

I’d echo what IpathCats has said for the most part. For me, the hard bushings seemed pretty soft out of the box (bag) to the point where I wondered whether or not they were a “hard” set at all.

After a while it seemed the bushings had hardened a bit which resulted in me loosening my trucks a bunch so the nuts were flush. The rebound is nice.

I’ve since gone back to enjoying the stock bushings in my AF1’s and am riding them with about 1 thread showing on the kingpin. I’ll be sticking with the stock bushings for now because I think I was missing something that when riding the hard set.

That also could be down to me losing a bit of weight, colder weather, and a deck with wheel wells too.

Try them out. If you’re 175+ lbs and want a bit more stability and or return-to-center then you then the hard set might provide that for you.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 09:21:05 AM
I got my Ace hard bushing in the summer and they initially felt pretty hard but softened quick in the heat. Now the weather is cooler they feel too hard for my tastes again. However, the thing with Ace is, you can ride a tighter truck and still get a great turn. If you like tight to medium trucks the Ace hards are a great. At 200lbs they save me some wheel bite for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 09:40:21 AM
Finally Ace have broken down sizes and weights properly in a  chart
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart (https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart)

Af1s
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/631186c105c4165723049160_af1_graph.svg)

Af1 Hollows
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/632cb0a816b8f80b8ad8cfff_hollow_af1_graph.svg)

Classics
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/6324f393d838f0acf935567e_classic_graph.svg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 29, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
Finally Ace have broken down sizes and weights properly in a  chart
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart (https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart)

Af1s
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/631186c105c4165723049160_af1_graph.svg)

Af1 Hollows
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/632cb0a816b8f80b8ad8cfff_hollow_af1_graph.svg)

Classics
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/6324f393d838f0acf935567e_classic_graph.svg)

I'm telling you right now.

The Classics are 52mm tall
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on September 29, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Any word on when the AF1 Hollow 60s will be available?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 09:49:02 AM
I get smaller hanger and axle widths on my 60s compared to this chart also... whatever, I can't worry now I have found my perfect truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 29, 2022, 09:55:54 AM

I'm telling you right now.

The Classics are 52mm tall

yea wtf, no way classics are the same height as indy standards. wrong chart is wrong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 10:00:16 AM
Chart looks nice though ha ha....  ;D

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 29, 2022, 10:03:27 AM
Blows my mind how Ace have gotten this far and still cannot measure their trucks right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on September 29, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
Blows my mind how Ace have gotten this far and still cannot measure their trucks right.

I wouldn't trust a single number they ever release at this point. The weights don't really make sense either if you compare regular af1 and hollows
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on September 29, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
Don't know if this was already posted, but there's a new size slated. Ace AF1 80s = 10" axle.

If you combine the widths of the AF1s and Classics, they have more widths (10, (or 11 if you count the 44s twice since they are different on AF1s vs Classic)) than Indy (8).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 29, 2022, 10:56:12 AM
That chart indeed looks good but is dubious. Classics are 52mm high and aren’t the AF1s 53mm or am I remembering that wrong? I’ve measured my classics but never the AF1s. Also why couldn’t they give the weights of the classics? Someone with big money should just buy all trucks that are sold and take them to a certified laboratory to take all measurements. I promise to do this myself if I ever win the lottery!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
Or... us nerds on here, could stop obsessing over a mm or two and just work on grinding down to axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on September 29, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
Or... us nerds on here, could stop obsessing over a mm or two and just work on grinding down to axle.

HERESY! CAST DOWN THE NON BELIEVER! DEATH TO THE HERETIC!

but yea you're prob right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 29, 2022, 03:30:48 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1735/1547/products/krookedriserspink.jpg?v=1587731886)

got these in the mail and paired em with the af1s. needed to widen one of the holes but works perfect. thanks for the looks y’all

edit: grammar
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 30, 2022, 01:55:49 AM
Or... us nerds on here, could stop obsessing over a mm or two and just work on grinding down to axle.

If you were really a nerd like us you would know "a mm or two" is very significant.

Sorry I know you like 52 wheels but here are 54's. Oh are they are too big? Just roll them down and stop complaining.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fs_smith_98 on September 30, 2022, 03:22:12 AM
That chart is nowhere near to be considered as an actual font of correct information. Those hanger measurements are fucked up. Af1 55 have like 146mm hangers, they're an 8.38 truck... good from 8.5 to 8.75 decks? What? And why did they even put the classics in if they totally fucked up the height and didn't put the weight? Ace methods become more confusing everyday...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 30, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
What could it possibly mean to release inaccurate data as statistics and promotion?

I would have to view Ace as an abusive partner in a relationship. They have something to offer enough to lure me and keep me there. However I can not trust Ace to treat me as they would want to be treated. I am sure Ace desires all those they do business with to provide them accurate information.

Now one can never say for sure when anything new drops if Ace is lying or not. Which is kinda how the ruling class operates which I am not a fan of.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 30, 2022, 07:53:46 AM
What could it possibly mean to release inaccurate data as statistics and promotion?

I would have to view Ace as an abusive partner in a relationship. They have something to offer enough to lure me and keep me there. However I can not trust Ace to treat me as they would want to be treated. I am sure Ace desires all those they do business with to provide them accurate information.

Now one can never say for sure when anything new drops if Ace is lying or not. Which is kinda how the ruling class operates which I am not a fan of.

Its more like trying to get accurate info from your stoner friend who you know is a solid dude. Ultimately, you know his friendship is worth it but you have your moments of frustration.

A chart won't deter me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on October 03, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
My kingpin bolts are flush with the kingpin (nylock on threads) but the bolt keeps shifting half a turn loose after a couple of long sessions. Going to get some locktite but red or blue for this application?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on October 03, 2022, 06:28:43 PM
so hollows have been out for a while, what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: swongolianbbq on October 03, 2022, 06:48:47 PM
My kingpin bolts are flush with the kingpin (nylock on threads) but the bolt keeps shifting half a turn loose after a couple of long sessions. Going to get some locktite but red or blue for this application?

On the packaging, it says blue can be removed with hand tools, and red needs heat and/or other methods to remove. Personally I'd go with blue, cause if you need heat to remove the red, it could fuck up the bushings? Maybe someone who has used the red can weigh in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beepbeep on October 03, 2022, 08:57:48 PM
My kingpin bolts are flush with the kingpin (nylock on threads) but the bolt keeps shifting half a turn loose after a couple of long sessions. Going to get some locktite but red or blue for this application?

Blue 100%
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 03, 2022, 10:26:55 PM
Backing the blue. Blue is intended to be used with bolts that see regular adjustment. Red is to form a semi-permanent bond. I expect you will adjust your trucks as every skater does, so a small turn of the screw and the bond is broken.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: frank1175 on October 03, 2022, 11:04:04 PM
For those interested, my pair of AF1 55’s weigh 790 grams and my AF1 55 Hollows weigh 744 grams so only a 46 grams difference on a pair. It’s not much but I can feel the difference. I always use the ACE Hard Bushings which I love but for instance Kevin Spanky Long uses a Hard bottom Soft top combo 😉
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on October 04, 2022, 07:09:06 AM
Thanks for all the help. Blue it is then
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 07, 2022, 07:32:38 PM
I have four sets of AF1 66's. Three raw and one gold.
Gold ones were purchased spring 2021 from Skatewarehouse and it seems the baseplates have tooling marks left by the drill making the pivot cup hole.
I have already popped cups out and very gently sanded with 220.
Should I:
    Ride them as is when ready? or.....
    Pour some epoxy into the hole and resettle the pivot cups? or.....
    Try to find a way to access a receipt and contact Ace (pretty sure I burned it and junked the email)?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cleveridiot on October 08, 2022, 06:36:29 AM
I have four sets of AF1 66's. Three raw and one gold.
Gold ones were purchased spring 2021 from Skatewarehouse and it seems the baseplates have tooling marks left by the drill making the pivot cup hole.
I have already popped cups out and very gently sanded with 220.
Should I:
    Ride them as is when ready? or.....
    Pour some epoxy into the hole and resettle the pivot cups? or.....
    Try to find a way to access a receipt and contact Ace (pretty sure I burned it and junked the email)?

I had this happen on my AF1 55's. I sent a pic to ACE through their website and they took care of me. I just told them which shop I got them from and my address. Definitely a lifer because they took care of me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lepanto on October 09, 2022, 09:19:28 AM
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 09, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?

You have a 196 pages of information talking about exactly this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on October 09, 2022, 10:03:52 AM
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?

Start at page 1 like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on October 09, 2022, 02:43:36 PM
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?

Ace trucks consist of a base plate (mounted to the base of the skateboard itself), an axle which pivots on two urethane cushions (called bushings) and a pivot point.

They can be used to steer the skateboard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 09, 2022, 05:30:47 PM
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?
Ace has more turn than most if not all popular traditional kingpin trucks.
A hanger can lean without any turning at all. Long-boarders sometimes use trucks that only lean in back with a squirly truck up front.
Point is a the amount of arc a hanger makes while leaning depends on the trucks geometry.
When it comes to carving Ace is really hard to beat.

Ace has a good stock bushing formula. Where indy and thunder crumble ace will get a crack or deformation that rarely is felt. Stock Ace bushings harden up after a short break in period. Last I checked a set of bushings and washers is $7 from
Ace.

Drawbacks are subjective:
    Weight.
    Pop angle from shortened wheelbase.
    Urethane pivot cups may not be as durable as plastic (delron) cups.
    Classics grind softer than Indy and harder than magnesium (some bend axles on classics).
    AF1 is harder than Indy (some say grind feels faster, some say it sticks on grinds).
    Bushings may be too soft (ace has hard bushings and they seem well liked).
    Washers can click for a period of time.
    Ace pinch point is sub par to thunder (not sure about the new ace lows).

I have skated AF1 since drop. I have read much of this thread and tried to summarize popular opinion and fact. I'll never be pinching a hand rail trick if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 09, 2022, 05:40:16 PM
My personal con with AF1 is all the nuts that come with it are trash. Swapping them out is the first thing I do. The nuts at a hardware store are much better at staying in place.

Having the axle nuts look like a die solves nothing IMO. The metal is too soft to cut any threads and the reduced thread on thread contact has them loosing up quickly. Gimmicky BS. The kingpin nut is not much better. Super soft and the nylock used sucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 09, 2022, 05:56:24 PM
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I have four sets of AF1 66's. Three raw and one gold.
Gold ones were purchased spring 2021 from Skatewarehouse and it seems the baseplates have tooling marks left by the drill making the pivot cup hole.
I have already popped cups out and very gently sanded with 220.
Should I:
    Ride them as is when ready? or.....
    Pour some epoxy into the hole and resettle the pivot cups? or.....
    Try to find a way to access a receipt and contact Ace (pretty sure I burned it and junked the email)?
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I had this happen on my AF1 55's. I sent a pic to ACE through their website and they took care of me. I just told them which shop I got them from and my address. Definitely a lifer because they took care of me.
Thank you, I'll email them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 10, 2022, 05:55:46 AM
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My personal con with AF1 is all the nuts that come with it are trash. Swapping them out is the first thing I do. The nuts at a hardware store are much better at staying in place.

Having the axle nuts look like a die solves nothing IMO. The metal is too soft to cut any threads and the reduced thread on thread contact has them loosing up quickly. Gimmicky BS. The kingpin nut is not much better. Super soft and the nylock used sucks.

Have not experienced this at all but I did find an Ace self-tapping nut in the parking lot outside of the skatepark a few weeks ago so maybe you’re onto something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 10, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
I think what could be going on is since I am novice at tricks but good at riding/pumping is I get much more mileage than most as compared to impact damage.
I imagine impact damage might help hold a nut in place considering the nut is likely deforming around axle thread.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: In A Jar on October 11, 2022, 08:03:28 AM
I also had axle nuts fall off on a brand new set of AF1s on basically every frontside slappy attempt.  I swapped them out for some old venture or thunder ones and they stayed on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 11, 2022, 10:57:50 AM
cyrus riding aces now? he was in that latest limo vid
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hobochimp on October 11, 2022, 02:26:27 PM
cyrus riding aces now? he was in that latest limo vid

I believe he had an ad for them. They definitely posted him.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on October 11, 2022, 08:58:51 PM
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cyrus riding aces now? he was in that latest limo vid
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I believe he had an ad for them. They definitely posted him.

Gotcha, I had only ever seen him on indys before that vid.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on October 12, 2022, 05:15:03 AM
I was looking around the thread due to my 44 classics kingpins on both trucks becoming really loose recently, is there anything I can do in regards to warranty etc in Europe so I can do something about it?, I know ace has a decent warranty etc but I’m not sure if that would be applicable in Europe?, any thoughts? Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on October 12, 2022, 05:55:39 AM
I was looking around the thread due to my 44 classics kingpins on both trucks becoming really loose recently, is there anything I can do in regards to warranty etc in Europe so I can do something about it?, I know ace has a decent warranty etc but I’m not sure if that would be applicable in Europe?, any thoughts? Thanks.

Their service is just as great in europe, just fill out the warranty stuff on their website.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on October 12, 2022, 05:57:54 AM
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I was looking around the thread due to my 44 classics kingpins on both trucks becoming really loose recently, is there anything I can do in regards to warranty etc in Europe so I can do something about it?, I know ace has a decent warranty etc but I’m not sure if that would be applicable in Europe?, any thoughts? Thanks.
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Their service is just as great in europe, just fill out the warranty stuff on their website.

Cheers for the reply, will do it now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Clock3rs on October 17, 2022, 07:28:30 AM
Hey there. Any input for hollow kingpins that fit af1 55s? I recently bought the non hollow version and thought about putting off some minor weight by changing the kingpins
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on October 17, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 17, 2022, 02:28:58 PM
On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.

Both kingpins on my Classics came loose and I got Ace to warranty them for some AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 17, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
Enjoy the extra play.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 17, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Anyone skate the classics without risers and ride wheels 55mm and above? I tried it before but just couldn't do it. Are there actually any benefits riding Aces with (less wheelbite?) or without risers (more stable?) ?
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Post by: backinaction on October 17, 2022, 10:08:01 PM
I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on October 17, 2022, 11:22:55 PM
I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 18, 2022, 03:37:41 AM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.

56mm and 1/8 risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on October 18, 2022, 06:03:30 AM
Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 18, 2022, 06:36:12 AM
Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.

ace hit me back within a day or two, had a replacement set at my local shop a couple days after, nothing but good things to say about their rma process especially when theyre US based whereas I'm in the UK and got a pretty quick turnaround on it all
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on October 18, 2022, 06:51:51 AM
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Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.
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ace hit me back within a day or two, had a replacement set at my local shop a couple days after, nothing but good things to say about their rma process especially when theyre US based whereas I'm in the UK and got a pretty quick turnaround on it all

Yeah I have heard good things but might just have to get onto them again as they haven’t gotten back to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 18, 2022, 09:18:31 AM
Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.

I emailed on a Sunday and got a reply Monday, with fresh trucks arriving on Friday (west coast of the US). Some people here have reported that they had to email twice.

I imagine it’s like any desk job where frankly every email you get doesn’t always get read or replied to in a timely manner (sorry, boss).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on October 18, 2022, 10:18:17 AM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
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56mm and 1/8 risers.
best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 18, 2022, 10:21:18 AM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
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56mm and 1/8 risers.
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best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?

Real 3ply universal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 18, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
Ace makes an 1/8" hard plastic riser that fits perfect. The Real wooden universal also fit pretty well and easy enough to sand down the tiny bit that sticks out if you think it hurts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on October 18, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.

54mm on my 55 AF1 and 56 on my 66 Classic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on October 18, 2022, 04:45:53 PM
On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.

Just to clarify I actually meant my nuts not the actual kingpin bolt. Don't want to scare anyone off from classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 18, 2022, 05:53:17 PM
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On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.
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Just to clarify I actually meant my nuts not the actual kingpin bolt. Don't want to scare anyone off from classics

This has happened for me on two sets of AF1 Hollow 66’s.

It’s a good thing I noticed when I did because one of the hangers was about to fall off. When I took it apart to inspect I noticed that the kingpin was shaking around, loose.

Ace had a replacement set on my door within the week after I sent them a video of the issue.

The replacement set has/had the same issue minus the loose kingpin. I also mark the nut with sharpie. Seems to be only the rear truck.
Using stock bushings tightened so 1 or so threads show.

I was considering using blue Loctite but the nut did not come loose the last two times I skated. Maybe the nut is warped or enough now that it’ll stay put.

Still loving the AF1 66 Hollows though and Ace’s quick turn-around on the replacements was rad.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 18, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
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56mm and 1/8 risers.
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best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?

I use the Ace 1/8 and they're good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: minilogoflow on October 18, 2022, 10:13:43 PM
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I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.
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what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
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56mm and 1/8 risers.
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best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?

I just got some bigger risers for a cruiser board and found that Mini Logo risers and shock pads line up great on the AF1 baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on October 18, 2022, 10:19:50 PM
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On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.
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Just to clarify I actually meant my nuts not the actual kingpin bolt. Don't want to scare anyone off from classics

That didn’t clarify much. On the contrary, I’m not confused. I didn’t know your nuts could impact the performance of the trucks like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 19, 2022, 12:40:18 AM
In my experience both Thunder and DogTown risers are universal with elongated slots allowing them to fit all brands.
Personally I want risers that are milled out/skeletonized and super hard. DogTown risers have served me well.
OJ Juice Cubes are the worst risers I have tried being that they are heavy, big and mushy.
The last thing I want is any movement/mushiness between the deck and baseplate.
I mount my trucks using washers and split rings to ensure nylock nuts stay tight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 19, 2022, 01:37:16 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/18xhFH6/8-FFF16-FD-A14-A-4484-A454-26-AE7-F4-ED6-D9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/18xhFH6)

The Maglights I’ve been skating look like they’re starting to bend so I threw some unskated Ace 44’s that I had sitting around for over a year on my board with the bushings from my last set of 44’s.  Haven’t skated Ace 44 Classics in a while and I must say they might be the best truck.  Wasn’t sure how I’d feel about the red baseplates but I don’t mind how it looks.  Just wanted to shoutout Ace 44 Classics.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mvdbosch90 on October 19, 2022, 01:38:58 PM
I just had the first short session on my new AF1 55 Hollows. I think these have cured my truck madness. They turn like a dream like the AF1’s, but definitely give a much lighter pop feel than the originals. Despite not having skated in about 2 weeks, my tricks still felt good after warming up a bit :) I skated Indy Titaniums for the lighter weight; even though I liked them, I always felt like riding around on my board was just more fun on Aces. It was just the weight that made tricks more difficult for me as a mediocre skater.
The AF1 Hollows are a perfect combination of the awesome Ace turning while still giving me easier street capabilities.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Argyle on November 03, 2022, 03:39:25 AM
I'm sure it's in here but there are a hell of a lot of pages to run back through.

I skate 8.38/8.5 occasionally a polar shape so like 8.6/8.7.

Should I get Ace 44 or 55s? Classics not AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 03, 2022, 04:07:24 AM
I'm sure it's in here but there are a hell of a lot of pages to run back through.

I skate 8.38/8.5 occasionally a polar shape so like 8.6/8.7.

Should I get Ace 44 or 55s? Classics not AF1s.


The Classic 44 is always going to be the better option unless you like a lot of truck overhang on your boards.

Classic 44 are only 8.3" in width so will sit under but the Classic 55 are 9" in width so are way too big for that range.


It is the AF1 55 that are 8.5" width which might suit better, or even look at the AF1 60 which are 8.75" if you wanted a little wider but all Ace trucks seem to have shorter hanger middles with longer axles.


I have the Classic range (all sizes) and AF1 55s but have not seen the AF1 60s in person to check how they line up on boards.  The AF1 55s sit just under an 8.5 so work well on 8.38 and can easily work on bigger boards too.

Classic 44s can work on all those boards you listed, but will sit under a fair bit on the wider options.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on November 03, 2022, 05:04:45 AM
I'm sure it's in here but there are a hell of a lot of pages to run back through.

I skate 8.38/8.5 occasionally a polar shape so like 8.6/8.7.

Should I get Ace 44 or 55s? Classics not AF1s.

Get the 44 classics there alot of fun and I was just running them on 8.6
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Argyle on November 03, 2022, 05:05:42 AM
 Amazing thank you.

My reason for classics is that I like a 52mm truck so I can use risers to get to the Indy type height) and bigger wheels.

That's the plan anyway.

44s it is. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on November 03, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
AF1 60 Hollow (not low!), where to find  :-[
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on November 03, 2022, 09:03:24 AM
Not out yet. The 60s are behind.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on November 03, 2022, 09:14:21 AM
i'm also anxiously awaiting the hollow 60s. I left a comment on one of their recent ig posts asking for an ETA but they didn't respond
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on November 03, 2022, 04:31:30 PM
I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).

No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.

I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on November 03, 2022, 06:09:27 PM
Pop a drop of loctite on em
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2022, 06:18:43 PM
I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).

No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.

I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.



I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.

Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on November 05, 2022, 04:24:14 AM
Be careful bros the Hollows are significantly lighter. I just launched my board and nearly twisted my ankle trying to reel that badboy back in.

Already switched back to regular AF1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: backinaction on November 05, 2022, 10:31:11 AM
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I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).

No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.

I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.
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I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.

Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.

I replaced mine with normal nuts on day 1 before they were even skated. They just seemed gimmicky to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on November 06, 2022, 04:14:26 AM
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I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).

No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.

I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.
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I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.

Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.
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I replaced mine with normal nuts on day 1 before they were even skated. They just seemed gimmicky to me.

If I'm reading this correctly are you bros saying your using the red axle rethreader as nuts to hold your wheels on?

Those are not going to hold the wheel on as they are Rethreaders.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 06, 2022, 05:10:36 AM
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I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).

No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.

I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.
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I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.

Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.
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I replaced mine with normal nuts on day 1 before they were even skated. They just seemed gimmicky to me.
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If I'm reading this correctly are you bros saying your using the red axle rethreader as nuts to hold your wheels on?

Those are not going to hold the wheel on as they are Rethreaders.
Nah, those af nuts are still nuts, they just have this gimmick that everytime you screw them it works kinda like rethreader. I agree those aren’t good, seen two homies lose them on first session, swap them to regular ones and you’re good to go. Red one is rethreader(https://www.murasaki.jp/client_info/MURASAKI/itemimage/210113jjaf1low_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 06, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
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This shows them very clearly.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-poUjsvvt/


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 08, 2022, 06:36:01 AM
This raises a question for me - Could this nut work better with a better, higher quality nylon bushing on the end, or is it doomed because there is not enough engagement from the threads?

My instinct is to say that the self-tapping nut is a gimmick and that a significant amount of the purchase is provided by the threads themselves, but I don't actually know. Any machinists or mech-e folks have a suggestion?

Either way, when I noticed that I could screw these nuts on with my bare hands, I replaced them with four $.15 nuts from the hardware store which perform much better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 08, 2022, 07:43:02 AM
Those .38 specials nuts were the shit if they had some nylock on the ends so they wouldn't fall off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FGO925 on November 08, 2022, 10:24:27 AM
So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?

An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 08, 2022, 11:20:35 AM
Either will be fine, but personally I'd go with the 44.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on November 08, 2022, 01:17:41 PM
So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?

An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.

I run af1 44s on my 8.38" and hollow af1 55s on my 8.5". I'd say go with the 44s if you run more 8.25 - 8.38 decks, but if you're running more 8.38 - 8.5 get the 55s. Everyone's got their own preference, mine is definitely running trucks flush with the deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FGO925 on November 08, 2022, 01:18:15 PM
Sweet. In the next few months or if anything goes on sale this month I’m gonna grab some af1’s. Have a solid quiver rn and I love switching to a different board at the end of a sesh to have some fun.

I guess the question is just which AF1 size is closest to a 149.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on November 08, 2022, 01:37:16 PM
Sweet. In the next few months or if anything goes on sale this month I’m gonna grab some af1’s. Have a solid quiver rn and I love switching to a different board at the end of a sesh to have some fun.

I guess the question is just which AF1 size is closest to a 149.

149's are 8.5" axle, so af1 55's would be what you're looking for (also 8.5" axle)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iamok on November 08, 2022, 03:57:26 PM
So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?

An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.

Hager on a af1 55 has the same size as on a classic 44 = 146mm. Af1 55 axle seems to be flush with 8.4-8.5 decks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on November 08, 2022, 04:20:43 PM
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So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?

An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.
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Hager on a af1 55 has the same size as on a classic 44 = 146mm. Af1 55 axle seems to be flush with 8.4-8.5 decks.


Is that true? So the only difference between my 44 classics and 55 AF1 is a slightly longer axel?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2022, 05:00:45 PM

I should check the set of Classic 44 and AF1 55s here, but I think the AF1 55s are a little longer in both axle and hanger.

About a mm or two difference on these two sets when compared them, so not much.

Still other differences between the two versions of the trucks though, including geometry, height and price - AF1 both higher and more expensive.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on November 08, 2022, 05:09:36 PM

I should check the set of Classic 44 and AF1 55s here, but I think the AF1 55s are a little longer in both axle and hanger.

About a mm or two difference on these two sets when compared them, so not much.

Still other differences between the two versions of the trucks though, including geometry, height and price - AF1 both higher and more expensive.

That's about it. I think the hangers might be a tiny bit wider on the AF1 55s also. AF1s are heavier but far more durable. I think I prefer the turn of the classics but there is not much in it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 09, 2022, 09:39:31 AM
If the classics were more durable I'd still be skating those version 44's for life but after bending axles so many times and breaking the baseplates from slappies, I sleep better knowing my AF1's dont have those problems.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 09, 2022, 09:45:36 AM
I went straight from Classics to AF-1s and I could not perceive the slightest difference between the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 09, 2022, 09:52:43 AM
After my first disappointing experience with Ace AF-1s, I'm dipping back in. I have some 149 indy's that are just about dead that i plan to swap for Ace Af1 55s. I think my expectations were too high initially.

I've actually come to appreciate my AF1s since they got relegated to my cruiser, and I think I sort of "get it" now. Will report back later
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 09, 2022, 10:04:46 AM
I didn't get the first AF-1s that shipped, so maybe they fixed the problems, but the 44s I'm on now have been more or less the only truck I've skated since the beginning of summer and they have been great. No complaints at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 09, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
I didn't get the first AF-1s that shipped, so maybe they fixed the problems, but the 44s I'm on now have been more or less the only truck I've skated since the beginning of summer and they have been great. No complaints at all.

My Af1s really didn't want to grind at first, it took a while to break them in and get them seasoned. I was also coming from Indy Forged Hollows and I forgot how heavy standard trucks were. I ended up moving them off to a cruiser/slappy board with some big ass radial fulls and now I'm having a lot of fun on them. It's a bit of a monster truck but I've got some grooves starting and they grind way better now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 09, 2022, 10:43:18 AM
The AF1s are excellent trucks. The classics are a bit more special with their slightly easier turn, tighter wheelbase and softer metal but really the difference is very small between them. I’m most likely gonna skate only AF1s after all my classics are done. Skating AF1 55s now and I don’t think about the trucks at all when skating, they’re that good for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on November 09, 2022, 10:55:46 AM
If the classics were more durable I'd still be skating those version 44's for life but after bending axles so many times and breaking the baseplates from slappies, I sleep better knowing my AF1's dont have those problems.

Weirdly I never had any issues even though I primarily skated slappies. Almost hit the axles already and still going strong. Third pair going right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on November 09, 2022, 12:08:37 PM
The AF1s are excellent trucks. The classics are a bit more special with their slightly easier turn, tighter wheelbase and softer metal but really the difference is very small between them. I’m most likely gonna skate only AF1s after all my classics are done. Skating AF1 55s now and I don’t think about the trucks at all when skating, they’re that good for me.

Well that's it for me bros.

I'm back on the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on November 09, 2022, 02:10:37 PM
Raw 44 classics were out of stock at distros for quite a bit and they just hit, checked em out at the local and we were talking about how they look a bit different in the casting, really grainy and extra shiny. One of the long-time employees at the nearby distro was saying something about how they switched factories to Taiwan I think? Take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on November 18, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 18, 2022, 11:43:50 AM
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I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on November 18, 2022, 11:52:37 AM
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I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
knowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardware
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on November 18, 2022, 12:25:49 PM
idk if i got a really good set or something but i really like my AF1s never had any problem and they are so silent compared to indy's. dont think i will buy anything but Thunder and Ace from now on
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on November 18, 2022, 01:58:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

This surpasses gear madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on November 18, 2022, 02:10:04 PM
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I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
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knowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardware
Also why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
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Also why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.

Yeah. Again not the most sensible solution. I once bought Ace hardware. The heads of the bolts are huge, like plates. Never buying those again. Shorty’s and Thunder are great with small heads.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on November 19, 2022, 05:53:15 AM
Raw 44 classics were out of stock at distros for quite a bit and they just hit, checked em out at the local and we were talking about how they look a bit different in the casting, really grainy and extra shiny. One of the long-time employees at the nearby distro was saying something about how they switched factories to Taiwan I think? Take it with a grain of salt.

Classics made in China, cheaper
AF-1 made in Taiwan, higher production standards
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on November 30, 2022, 10:12:42 AM
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on November 30, 2022, 10:13:49 AM
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??

will work just fine.

I prefer 8.5 trucks on 8.38 boards, but 8.25 will work fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 30, 2022, 10:23:37 AM
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??

If both are an option, yes the 55 would be more appropriate I guess. If you already have the 44s, stop thinking about it. Doesn't matter at all. Such a small difference, and even skating an 8.5 with 8.25 trucks is super nice.
Flip tricks will be easier this way, go catch em all
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Yeah. Again not the most sensible solution. I once bought Ace hardware. The heads of the bolts are huge, like plates. Never buying those again. Shorty’s and Thunder are great with small heads.
Could it possibly need the thicker nut to putt the hardware thru the wood? Don't think it would make much difference at all but maybe. Maybe the heads have to be bigger for the ridges to dig in more, altho I used to have randoms and don't remember them being big. Don't think it needs an Allen key slot tho. A cool point of difference could of been just a round hole in top
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on November 30, 2022, 10:42:10 AM
Thanks bros :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on November 30, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
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I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
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Yeah. Again not the most sensible solution. I once bought Ace hardware. The heads of the bolts are huge, like plates. Never buying those again. Shorty’s and Thunder are great with small heads.
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Could it possibly need the thicker nut to putt the hardware thru the wood? Don't think it would make much difference at all but maybe. Maybe the heads have to be bigger for the ridges to dig in more, altho I used to have randoms and don't remember them being big. Don't think it needs an Allen key slot tho. A cool point of difference could of been just a round hole in top

Grind King Rocket Bolts (https://shop.grindking.com/products/rocketbolts) aren't hollow, but don't include any kind of slot for a tool. Agreed that hollow bolts straight through would be interesting.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0039/4392/3785/products/[email protected])
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: twic3 on November 30, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
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He’s one of us again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: camel filters on November 30, 2022, 02:22:35 PM
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He’s one of us again
I can see why lurpivs were so tall. Damn he really does not want wheelbite. The wheels don't even look that big.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on November 30, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
Them some thiccys.  :o
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 30, 2022, 03:56:58 PM
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He’s one of us again

Thought this was && for a second
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 30, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??

AF1 44s will be completely fine.  If you can get your hands on some classics 44s though… perfection
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Thought this was && for a second

yep scrolled down, scrolled back up for the same reason
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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This surpasses gear madness.

A solution looking for a problem. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: augustmoon on December 01, 2022, 07:59:50 AM
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He’s one of us again

I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now

They would be stupid not to.

But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol

I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 01, 2022, 08:08:52 AM
From the comments of the hollow bolts post, when asked about mag baseplates:
"mags are tough but, we got some tougher stuff in the works. ✔️"

Diamond baseplates 100% confirmed
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on December 01, 2022, 08:11:00 AM
From the comments of the hollow bolts post, when asked about mag baseplates:
"mags are tough but, we got some tougher stuff in the works. ✔️"

Diamond baseplates 100% confirmed

RIP nose/tailslides
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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They would be stupid not to.

But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol

I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
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They would be stupid not to.

But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol

I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
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Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.


He ran risers on lurps too, idk if they were 1/4" though like in this pic.

He for sure ran the aces with 1/4"in the past
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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They would be stupid not to.

But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol

I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
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Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.
Filip and Karsten seem to be still running Lurpivs. Vincent had lurpivs in 1 clip in the new Jante video
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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They would be stupid not to.

But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol

I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
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Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.
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Filip and Karsten seem to be still running Lurpivs. Vincent had lurpivs in 1 clip in the new Jante video

I noticed that too, but i just assumed the footy was from when lurpiv was still around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Barbados Slim on December 02, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
Interested in the AF1 hollows but last time I tried hollow trucks (Venture 5.6 forged hollow) I hated em because they made my sound and feel like shit. Anyone on the Ace hollows able to comment on how they feel compared to the classics/normal AF1s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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yep scrolled down, scrolled back up for the same reason
Hmmm… Come to think of it, I’ve never seen them in the same room together.
You guys may have uncovered the biggest skate conspiracy of the year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on December 03, 2022, 09:05:00 PM
The helmet is like the glasses and fake nose got Shock G/Humpty Hump
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on December 07, 2022, 10:57:10 AM
i'm also anxiously awaiting the hollow 60s. I left a comment on one of their recent ig posts asking for an ETA but they didn't respond
For anyone else looking, the AF1 hollow 60s are now in stock at the Ace webstore so that means they should hopefully be rolling out to shops soon 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on December 13, 2022, 07:08:07 AM
are the hollows a different height on Aces to the standards ?
my friend was saying that on Indys the hollows are a bit lower than the standard ones, and thunder also has different heights too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ugly flacko on December 13, 2022, 07:20:19 AM
are the hollows a different height on Aces to the standards ?
my friend was saying that on Indys the hollows are a bit lower than the standard ones, and thunder also has different heights too.

https://mesaskatesupply.com/pages/sizing-chart

Should be the same ! They actually feel the same but didn't measure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 13, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
are the hollows a different height on Aces to the standards ?
my friend was saying that on Indys the hollows are a bit lower than the standard ones, and thunder also has different heights too.

Forged baseplates are lower. Ace does NOT have forged baseplates, so hollows and standard are the same height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on December 13, 2022, 11:16:34 AM
thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toque on December 13, 2022, 09:09:33 PM
Decided to get the lows and hated how they felt compared to my standard AF1s. Hadn't skated hollow kingpins maybe ever and my setup felt like a toy or something...sounded weird. Put my old baseplates together with the new hangers and now I have some weird hybrid and the geometry feels off — manuals feel bad. Probably just gonna grab a new set of AF1s and maybe some hard bushings...been liking the squirrelly-ness but feel like my skating could benefit from a little more strutured feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 13, 2022, 09:35:13 PM
I've gone fully back to Classics and have to say I love them more than ever. I still have Af1s in 55 and 66 but can't see going back any time soon. I think the Classics just fit my needs better. Hopefully there will be 8.75 Classics sometime.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 13, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
Agreed. Classic 8.75s would suit me fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on December 14, 2022, 01:48:56 AM
Decided to get the lows and hated how they felt compared to my standard AF1s. Hadn't skated hollow kingpins maybe ever and my setup felt like a toy or something...sounded weird. Put my old baseplates together with the new hangers and now I have some weird hybrid and the geometry feels off — manuals feel bad. Probably just gonna grab a new set of AF1s and maybe some hard bushings...been liking the squirrelly-ness but feel like my skating could benefit from a little more strutured feel

The baseplate and bushings are the only difference on the lows, so if you used standard bushings you just made a standard af1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on December 14, 2022, 06:25:42 AM
Throw some 1/8" risers underneath the lows and they're essentially a classic with the geometry since the wheelbase is a little shorter than the AF1 hi's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mamba on December 21, 2022, 03:49:24 PM
anyone have a weight on the hollow 60s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on December 21, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
I bought some 66 af1's and the bearings wouldn't fit on the axle at first. Like, it went right on and past all the threads then stopped short and stuck at the smooth part of the axle. Dude at the shop said "oh this happens all the time" and banged em on. I have never seen anything like that before, however I don't really buy new trucks for years at a time. Anyone else ever had an axle that seemed like mm too thick until you beat it into submission?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 21, 2022, 08:53:25 PM
I think I read somewhere that Ace Axles are actually intentionally a little thicker. Makes the bearings perform better and axles stronger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2022, 10:47:19 PM
I bought some 66 af1's and the bearings wouldn't fit on the axle at first. Like, it went right on and past all the threads then stopped short and stuck at the smooth part of the axle. Dude at the shop said "oh this happens all the time" and banged em on. I have never seen anything like that before, however I don't really buy new trucks for years at a time. Anyone else ever had an axle that seemed like mm too thick until you beat it into submission?


The only time I have seen that is when some axles (usually on older stock but not always) have had a little rust or other build up that needs cleaning off, either with grip tape offcuts or steel wool, or sometimes even just a quick spray of WD40 onto a cloth and then on each axle area.

Didn't have any issues with most bearings I know when I have assembled Ace trucks, but I am curious what bearings you were using, whether new or used, or any other info - just cause I am too curious for my own good sometimes.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on December 21, 2022, 10:53:21 PM
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He’s one of us again

Not for long…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on December 21, 2022, 11:04:42 PM
@Mbrimson88 they were reds! Everything new, too. I was so puzzled, especially since it was only on the right side of the axle on the front truck... all of the others were just fine. I wish I would've taken a picture, none of the bearings were sliding on until the guy hit it. He seated the bearings into the wheel with a press, put the wheel on as far as it could go without force, then literally smacked it with a rubber mallet like 3 times and voila.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2022, 11:14:17 PM
I think I read somewhere that Ace Axles are actually intentionally a little thicker. Makes the bearings perform better and axles stronger.


Is that the definition of innovation meets Ace quality control?

Not a worry to me either way, but I could see some people might jump to conclusions.



@Mbrimson88 they were reds! Everything new, too. I was so puzzled, especially since it was only on the right side of the axle on the front truck... all of the others were just fine. I wish I would've taken a picture, none of the bearings were sliding on until the guy hit it. He seated the bearings into the wheel with a press, put the wheel on as far as it could go without force, then literally smacked it with a rubber mallet like 3 times and voila.


Thanks!

I just saw your complete too (So good!) but re axles  - yeah so weird.  I guess at least a rubber mallet is better than some other things.


Next time I get out the board with AF1 trucks on it I might have a look and see clearances with different bearings and just see too but thinking about the setups I have built for people, no other AF1 trucks had issues like that.

Now they are on I am also thinking you don't want to try to take them off in a hurry, but I wonder if that might be a problem if you need to change anything / rotate wheels in the future.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 22, 2022, 06:52:37 AM
AF1 axles are slightly larger but not enough for bearings to get stuck on them. Even when using a press bearings don’t always go in straight the first time around. Especially with older presses that have been abused by shop employees and groms that over muscle the lever instead of letting the machine do the work. Anytime I’ve encountered this at the shop I just simply remove the bearings from the wheel and reseat. 9 times out of 10 it’s improperly seated. A couple of times it’s because there’s a little flash metal that I’ve had to remove with a razor blade. Glad it worked out ok but I don’t think I’d be too stoked if someone was banging on my new setup with a mallet, rubber or not. That being said I’m not sure how much different the bearing stress would be compared to missing a few whiffed kick flips landing primo anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on December 22, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
It definitely wasn't the bearings or how they were seated, because they individually would not slide onto the axle (none of them in the pack would). I don't typically use a bearing press to put them in my wheels, I just slide em on the axle and press the wheel down into them, which was what I was trying to do but they just wouldn't slide on in the first place. The shop dude seated em with the press so that he could commence the bangin' lol.

When i was messing with it, it felt like either the axle was slightly bent and that was preventing then from sliding all the way on, or like it wasn't machined down enough to allow it to slide on... either way, I'm glad it worked out too because the setup is the best I've ever had. Af1's skate really great when they're brand new, and the dane 1 lived up to the hype I've read about it here for sure
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 22, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
It definitely wasn't the bearings or how they were seated, because they individually would not slide onto the axle (none of them in the pack would). I don't typically use a bearing press to put them in my wheels, I just slide em on the axle and press the wheel down into them, which was what I was trying to do but they just wouldn't slide on in the first place. The shop dude seated em with the press so that he could commence the bangin' lol.

When i was messing with it, it felt like either the axle was slightly bent and that was preventing then from sliding all the way on, or like it wasn't machined down enough to allow it to slide on... either way, I'm glad it worked out too because the setup is the best I've ever had. Af1's skate really great when they're brand new, and the dane 1 lived up to the hype I've read about it here for sure

Man that’s crazy. Now that they’re on there commence to banging indeed!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on December 22, 2022, 08:18:42 PM
I’m gonna guess there was a little relic of the axle threading process still sticking up “proud” & hindering the normal install.
Such a small flake of steel would easily yield to the abrupt force of a mallet, but may provide just enough resistance to stymy your efforts with slow, constant pressure.
No surprise Ace QC might have missed a minor artifact of the machining process.
Consider my 2% of a dollar hereby submitted.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on December 25, 2022, 07:40:17 PM
It’s definitely an issue with their oversized axles being out of tolerance. I bought a set of AF1s from a shop and one of the axle ends was too large to thread a bearing past the threads. No shards, no aesthetic problems, they just sometimes don’t get the rod quite small enough. Got it replaced via warranty within a week and they said it happens from time to time.

I should note: this is the only QC issue I’ve ever had after a few sets of Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 27, 2022, 11:33:33 AM
Just got a set of AF1-44 and I’m hyped so far. I thought the turn was going to be pretty wild at first coming from Thunder but I got used to it within a few minutes. Honeymoon period of course but I have no complaints about them yet. Interested to see how they feel after they’re really broken in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 08, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying.  I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control.  I never had this problem with indys at all. 

Any body have a similar experience or solutions?  I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GumOnMyGrip on January 08, 2023, 12:13:00 PM
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying.  I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control.  I never had this problem with indys at all. 

Any body have a similar experience or solutions?  I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids

I’ve the same problem until they get broken in and a little grooved. It’s really bad on new trucks and bigger metal coping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 08, 2023, 02:03:43 PM
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying.  I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control.  I never had this problem with indys at all. 

Any body have a similar experience or solutions?  I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids

They didn't get rid of it. I think they just added meat to the ends to minimize it a little. Things will improve once the trucks break in. Until then just learn to use for locking in. I was thrown off it at first but like it now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 08, 2023, 07:17:19 PM
^thanks for the replies, waiting for them to break in
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 09, 2023, 05:45:58 AM
That's any new truck, you don't have grooves yet player. Get to work...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on January 09, 2023, 07:28:05 AM
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying.  I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control.  I never had this problem with indys at all. 

Any body have a similar experience or solutions?  I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids

Yea, I don’t skate bowls much so I had to do all my breaking in on the skatepark ledge, same thing though, was hard to lock in til after i broke them in, not going back now though, the lows are my favorite shit right now, love the turn and how quick I can snap my board now, the lows are where it’s at
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on January 09, 2023, 07:46:05 AM
5050 some double sider parking blocks
mine felt slippery like that only for literally 1 session lol the next session i actually forgot i was on new trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 09, 2023, 09:03:25 AM
Yeah I overreacted.  I had aces around 2014, not even sure about the year, and the rocking shit was bad and the axels slipped so I scrapped them and was hoping for improvements this time around. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 10:09:24 AM
Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.

My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on January 09, 2023, 10:54:48 AM
Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.

My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.

I would be happy if this is the case. I bought some AF1s this summer from the local. Now I’m getting a groove but the grind seems more gritty dry and hard. Indy has a good grind, or maybe short term memory is romanticizing the past. My classic aces are bent and on their last legs but dam that butter grind is great plus the deep grooves help. I’m not in love with af1 grind but also wonder if I’m just nostalgic about past trucks. Plus my af1s are pretty creaky and clicky. Makes them feel cheap, just figured I gotta abuse them more and they’ll turn and grind better as trucks do.

Ngl I’m gonna get those new Indy’s when they drop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 09, 2023, 11:03:55 AM
Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.

My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.

This same thing happened to me, I hated the AF1's when they came out. I bought a couple sets in different sizes and they stuck immediately especially on metal coping. Then I decided to give them one more try and bought some AF1 44's awhile after they were on the market, and am still skating them. They're nearing axle and they've grinded like ice coated with butter their entire life. I personally believe they did in fact change something in the alloy to make them grind better, but I doubt they'd admit it. It's all anecdotal though. Some said theirs grinded better than the classics right when they hit the market so who really knows. They had a more vintage dull look to them when they first hit the scene, but then they started looking more polished and shinier especially now when you look at the new hollows. So that kinda reinforced my personal belief something changed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 09, 2023, 11:10:51 AM
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Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.

My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.
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This same thing happened to me, I hated the AF1's when they came out. I bought a couple sets in different sizes and they stuck immediately especially on metal coping. Then I decided to give them one more try and bought some AF1 44's awhile after they were on the market, and am still skating them. They're nearing axle and they've grinded like ice coated with butter their entire life. I personally believe they did in fact change something in the alloy to make them grind better, but I doubt they'd admit it. It's all anecdotal though. Some said theirs grinded better than the classics right when they hit the market so who really knows. They had a more vintage dull look to them when they first hit the scene, but then they started looking more polished and shinier especially now when you look at the new hollows. So that kinda reinforced my personal belief something changed.

My first set looked dull too. This new set is much shinier
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 11, 2023, 11:13:58 PM
Inverted kingpin most likely in the not so distant future:
(https://i.ibb.co/HqGkYBF/4524-A231-2-C2-B-420-B-A13-F-CFCF76-E5-F8-DC.png)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnMtKHGr9ud/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: the_sandlot on January 12, 2023, 01:12:49 AM
Probably a dumb performance question but anyone here hotrodded an 8.5 on some classic 55s? Is it too fucked, or is it more than adequate? How did normal flip tricks, grinds and the like feel?

Done the old Indy 149s on an 8.25 and didn’t notice a thing but just wanted to see if the slappers had gone the full half inch with the premier skateboard truck before as I know classic 44s were the most minuscule under 8.38 and that seems to bug heads.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on January 12, 2023, 04:16:12 AM
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 12, 2023, 04:27:43 AM
Probably a dumb performance question but anyone here hotrodded an 8.5 on some classic 55s? Is it too fucked, or is it more than adequate? How did normal flip tricks, grinds and the like feel?

Done the old Indy 149s on an 8.25 and didn’t notice a thing but just wanted to see if the slappers had gone the full half inch with the premier skateboard truck before as I know classic 44s were the most minuscule under 8.38 and that seems to bug heads.


I actually tried that for a day, felt amazing on transition and worked fine for everything, I can remember it just feeling too heavy for me because it was a steep deck. It's at the point where it starts to look kind of weird though, like the trucks are very obviously bigger than the deck unless you ride the skinniest wheels.

I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.

If it also happens with new nuts you can only use loctite or superglue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 12, 2023, 05:22:40 AM
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.

New standard 5/16 Nyloc nuts are $.12 each at my local hardware store. If you are lazy, you can buy little bags of 4 on eBay or Amazon for a few bucks. 'Fixed my problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on January 12, 2023, 08:30:31 AM
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.
There’s a clip in the Deedz HVVS Raw Files edit on the Thrasher®️ website where he loses a wheel on the approach to a trick.
Got me wondering if this is a larger problem than just a few of us nerds on here.
I keep thinking Ace just gotta know about this issue, and have plans to fix it once their current stock of axle nuts is depleted.
Fingers crossed that “self loosening” nuts are no longer a feature of the product line by the time I pick up my next set.
Thanks for the god-level turning, regardless.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: arrbee on January 12, 2023, 08:59:47 AM
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I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.
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There’s a clip in the Deedz HVVS Raw Files edit on the Thrasher®️ website where he loses a wheel on the approach to a trick.
Got me wondering if this is a larger problem than just a few of us nerds on here.
I keep thinking Ace just gotta know about this issue, and have plans to fix it once their current stock of axle nuts is depleted.
Fingers crossed that “self loosening” nuts are no longer a feature of the product line by the time I pick up my next set.
Thanks for the god-level turning, regardless.

Part of me thinks it could be related to the rethreader nuts. I would be willing to bet I take my wheels off well above average. Whether it be changing to new wheels which I do pretty often, or cleaning bearings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 12, 2023, 10:56:54 AM
Inverted kingpin most likely in the not so distant future:
(https://i.ibb.co/HqGkYBF/4524-A231-2-C2-B-420-B-A13-F-CFCF76-E5-F8-DC.png)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnMtKHGr9ud/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

It will be very interesting to see if ACE (or DLX) do something different than what's out there seeing as everyone is using the same system (hex/allen hybrid with a threaded shaft nut combo).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: the_sandlot on January 12, 2023, 11:24:53 AM
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Probably a dumb performance question but anyone here hotrodded an 8.5 on some classic 55s? Is it too fucked, or is it more than adequate? How did normal flip tricks, grinds and the like feel?

Done the old Indy 149s on an 8.25 and didn’t notice a thing but just wanted to see if the slappers had gone the full half inch with the premier skateboard truck before as I know classic 44s were the most minuscule under 8.38 and that seems to bug heads.

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Legend, thanks!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 13, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
Just over two weeks on my AF1 44s and the turn is starting to stabilize a bit so I loosened them up slightly and now they’re feeling great. It took me a bit to get used to the weight coming from Thunder lights and I’m still getting used to it. My pop is more controlled and consistent on these so far. Everything pops more level for me on the Ace so I’m into it. A few more grinds and the weight should become a non issue soon. I did switch to my Thunders for a session but my pop wasn’t as good and I really like the Ace turn right now. No clicking or clacking yet and axle nuts are staying snug. Keep swerving Gs!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: slappyjoes on January 14, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
How do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 15, 2023, 10:14:23 AM
How do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows

What kind of answer are you expecting here? They feel like flip tricks. Pretty nice if you stomp it bolts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: slappyjoes on January 15, 2023, 02:24:13 PM
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What kind of answer are you expecting here? They feel like flip tricks. Pretty nice if you stomp it bolts

Heard some people mention aces make their flips feel soggy and others say they dont notice anything
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 15, 2023, 02:31:59 PM
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What kind of answer are you expecting here? They feel like flip tricks. Pretty nice if you stomp it bolts
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Heard some people mention aces make their flips feel soggy and others say they dont notice anything

I have some rocketing on my kick flips but I’m also not skating hollows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on January 15, 2023, 03:45:19 PM
How do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows
I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on January 17, 2023, 08:19:35 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.

If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 17, 2023, 09:25:07 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
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If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster

Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.

Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on January 17, 2023, 09:35:07 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
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If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
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Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.

Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 17, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
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If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
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Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.

Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
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I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperating

yea, he def noticed that as well and ordered some smaller wheels than what he was riding previously.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on January 17, 2023, 09:42:49 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
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If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
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Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.

Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
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I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperating
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yea, he def noticed that as well and ordered some smaller wheels than what he was riding previously.
And I’m on 50mm lil smokies! Haha. I figure if I don’t like the added height of the new hollows I can just swap the hollow hanger onto the low baseplate and voila, just saved myself some ounces and kept the same geometry
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 17, 2023, 11:22:04 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
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If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
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Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.

Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
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I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperating
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yea, he def noticed that as well and ordered some smaller wheels than what he was riding previously.
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And I’m on 50mm lil smokies! Haha. I figure if I don’t like the added height of the new hollows I can just swap the hollow hanger onto the low baseplate and voila, just saved myself some ounces and kept the same geometry

For what it’s worth, I’ve been liking the hard bushings in the Lows (60 Lows on a Huffer). There’s a point where you can get the turn and lean to feel a lot like the regular bushings, but the hards give a little resistance at the end to curb the wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somedudefromnj on January 18, 2023, 06:11:49 AM
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I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.

I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.

yeah I couldnt flip my board anymore and decided to try out ventures, but all of the other trucks just dont turn as well as aces. To lose a few flip tricks for a bit was worth it to me. Just spend the time and relearn them and update that muscle memory I guess

may try the lows as someone else mentioned though. I must admit I am curious
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 18, 2023, 11:44:23 AM
Any ace pilots here that use the 1/8” risers with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 18, 2023, 12:25:55 PM
Any ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?

The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 18, 2023, 12:28:28 PM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?

Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 18, 2023, 12:54:41 PM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.

Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 18, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.

Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 19, 2023, 01:04:48 AM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.

It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 01:16:37 AM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.

Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 19, 2023, 07:01:26 AM
Risers are a must for me, I need to maximize that turn as much as possible but I don't go any more than 1/8" tall.
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
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Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.

I run 1/8" risers on my setups with Aces. I feel like they need them to suit my preferences, mostly a pop feel thing. But the added height helps you get the most out of the turn too.

I prefer the rubber risers and i tighten them a good bit so they compress a little.

Gives me closer to an indy standard height, which is what my regular board is. Aces on the cruisers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
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Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.
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I run 1/8" risers on my setups with Aces. I feel like they need them to suit my preferences, mostly a pop feel thing. But the added height helps you get the most out of the turn too.

I prefer the rubber risers and i tighten them a good bit so they compress a little.

Gives me closer to an indy standard height, which is what my regular board is. Aces on the cruisers.


This is me too. I just stared skating af1’s with the ace risers and it makes them feel kind of more like an Indy but with the ace turn. I keep going back and forth between Indy and ace. I noticed a ton of the polar guys who skate ace skate them with risers and so I wanted to give it a try since I pretty much skate polar 8.5s. The height for sure feels more like an Indy and I’m used to that but the turn is an ace and I like that. I did have to tighten them up about a half turn to not feel too tippy but I was running them pretty loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 08:41:40 AM
Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on January 19, 2023, 09:02:45 AM
Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!

Haha. Kinda right?!  It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
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Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!
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Haha. Kinda right?!  It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂

Daaaaaamn, that’s ruthless! 😀
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 19, 2023, 10:49:55 AM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
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Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.

The geometry won’t change with the risers. You can just get more turn before you wheelbite, no matter what size wheels you have. I think it’s just perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on January 19, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
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Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!
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Haha. Kinda right?!  It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂
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Daaaaaamn, that’s ruthless! 😀

Haha. Sorry. I don’t mean it like that. I shouldn’t project my ocd to other people on the internet. 😂
I mean i do like them with risers and if it stays good I probably won’t change. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 11:26:00 AM
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Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!
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Haha. Kinda right?!  It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂
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Daaaaaamn, that’s ruthless! 😀
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Haha. Sorry. I don’t mean it like that. I shouldn’t project my ocd to other people on the internet. 😂
I mean i do like them with risers and if it stays good I probably won’t change. 🤷‍♂️

It’s all good😸. I hope you find what you like the most.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 11:28:12 AM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
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Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.
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The geometry won’t change with the risers. You can just get more turn before you wheelbite, no matter what size wheels you have. I think it’s just perfect.

Yeah, went with them and it’s super good. Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 19, 2023, 03:33:35 PM
New Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scholesey on January 19, 2023, 09:11:41 PM
New Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.

(https://i.ibb.co/kVngyW9/70-EE6-A48-D4-ED-41-FE-8716-00-F4-E3079-F68.png) (https://ibb.co/MyTDh3G)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 19, 2023, 09:20:36 PM
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New Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.
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(https://i.ibb.co/kVngyW9/70-EE6-A48-D4-ED-41-FE-8716-00-F4-E3079-F68.png) (https://ibb.co/MyTDh3G)

There's some young ripper out there killing it and flow that didn't get the bump for this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 20, 2023, 05:29:15 AM
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New Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.
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(https://i.ibb.co/kVngyW9/70-EE6-A48-D4-ED-41-FE-8716-00-F4-E3079-F68.png) (https://ibb.co/MyTDh3G)
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There's some young ripper out there killing it and flow that didn't get the bump for this.

I'm sure Tom Penny will bring them more sales than whatever person that may be, and that person is still getting free trucks on flow lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 20, 2023, 06:52:00 AM
I'm still amazed Ghetto Child is in business. There's no way they sell enough wheels to recoup costs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 21, 2023, 05:58:31 PM
Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 21, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.

Jordan Trahan runs them on lows. Hit up his IG and ask why.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 21, 2023, 06:40:55 PM
Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)

215 users dying from orgasming rn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 21, 2023, 08:58:08 PM
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Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)
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215 users dying from orgasming rn

Just like the trucks.
Thunder 181 fans are nowhere to be found
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 24, 2023, 05:55:40 AM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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Jordan Trahan runs them on lows. Hit up his IG and ask why.

I run the lows with 1/8" risers. Kingpin clearance is better than hi's and it brings the height up to 52mm while shrinking the wheelbase to feel like Ace classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on January 24, 2023, 08:04:44 AM
I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 24, 2023, 08:08:04 AM
It's crazy but AF1 lows on risers are probably my favorite mid-high trucks. Just like ace classics but without the axle bending
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on January 24, 2023, 08:17:18 AM
Speaking of Ace heights, has this been discussed that their official size chart for classics is wildly off? It says the Classics are 2.5" high, which they say is 55mm, but the true conversion is 63.5mm.  All of their height conversions from inches to mm on the other models are correct tho. I was trying to gauge how much lower the AF1s were compared to the classics, and quickly realized something was wrong. Anyone know which figure is correct? Is the 2.5" correct, or is the 55mm correct? 
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/6324f393d838f0acf935567e_classic_graph.svg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 24, 2023, 08:21:11 AM
Speaking of Ace heights, has this been discussed that their official size chart for classics is wildly off? It says the Classics are 2.5" high, which they say is 55mm, but the true conversion is 63.5mm.  All of their height conversions from inches to mm on the other models are correct tho. I was trying to gauge how much lower the AF1s were compared to the classics, and quickly realized something was wrong. Anyone know which figure is correct? Is the 2.5" correct, or is the 55mm correct? 
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/6324f393d838f0acf935567e_classic_graph.svg)
My af1 and classics were all 53mm high. Some people claim classics are 52mm but mine were not.

Also never trust any measurement ace releases. Height, weight, everything is wrong (sometimes)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on January 24, 2023, 04:21:42 PM
Can confirm that my classics are 52mm. There's never been a 55mm Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 24, 2023, 05:32:05 PM
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I thought the initial Classics were 52mm and the AF1 were 53mm tall, but when comparing them to other trucks and each other, they seem about the same - Thunder cast are a touch lower, Venture cast are a touch taller, Indy cast way taller.

That makes them between 52 and 53 as initially listed, not the current charts.

Interesting either way, but not something I would really get too hung up on.


Those size / height charts are pretty funny though.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on January 24, 2023, 08:35:37 PM
Anybody gonna DM them on insta (like a man) & ask them what’s what with their wacky size chart?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on January 25, 2023, 05:22:27 AM
Anybody gonna DM them on insta (like a man) & ask them what’s what with their wacky size chart?

I’d rather we crowdfund a pair of digital calipers for one of our Pal shop folk.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on January 25, 2023, 06:39:29 AM
I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers

so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on January 25, 2023, 08:14:30 AM
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I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes

Ya know I started thinking about this statement after I posted it and thought, well you skate 52mm on the lows without risers but your also 160lbs tops soaking wet, you prolly shouldn’t get into it with these grown ass men and their trucks lol, yea I mean I skate low impact shit mostly but I can keep myself from catching wheelbite
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: WorldsbestWeedsm0ker on January 25, 2023, 08:48:49 AM
Can’t find this question being answered anywhere so sorry if this a repeat - j got some af1s and my front truck makes this crazy ticking sound when I turn sometimes it sounds like a pop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 25, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
The clicking typically goes away after the trucks break in. Some people have struggled with this. I've had a few sets of AF1s and they clicked for a session or two but are fine now. New trucks suck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 25, 2023, 09:54:21 AM
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I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes

Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 25, 2023, 11:15:59 AM
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
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Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.

Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 26, 2023, 09:37:24 AM
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I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
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Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
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Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting

I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FGO925 on January 26, 2023, 12:24:44 PM
What are the biggest differences between the OG ace, and the AF1?

I know the sizing is different, but does it change the wb any different/different turn geo/ride height?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 26, 2023, 12:30:31 PM
Aside from sizing, the biggest difference the aluminum. Feels way denser and lasts way longer. Its s bit heavier but probably a lot stronger. Some people think there is a tiny bit of difference in geometry, which also makes the wheelbase a fraction longer but I'm not sure about this. For whatever reason the classics feel and turn slightly better for me but AF1s are worth it due to the better sizing (I love an 8.75" truck) and better materials.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 26, 2023, 12:38:18 PM
What are the biggest differences between the OG ace, and the AF1?

I know the sizing is different, but does it change the wb any different/different turn geo/ride height?

If you want classic geometry on AF1 quality, get the AF1 lows with riser pads. Amazing trucks with more kingpin clearance than AF1 standards for some reason
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 26, 2023, 02:24:20 PM
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The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
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Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
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Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.

I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
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Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
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Jordan Trahan runs them on lows. Hit up his IG and ask why.
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I run the lows with 1/8" risers. Kingpin clearance is better than hi's and it brings the height up to 52mm while shrinking the wheelbase to feel like Ace classics.

I DM'ed him and he doesn't run them anymore only did for that video. That doesn't really make sense to me isn't the WB of the lows the same?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 26, 2023, 02:25:33 PM
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
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Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
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Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting
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I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.

Every time I see an Ace pro in real life they have like 2 threads showing minimum cuz of this "feature"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on January 27, 2023, 05:54:50 AM
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I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
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Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
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Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting
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I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.
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Every time I see an Ace pro in real life they have like 2 threads showing minimum cuz of this "feature"

almost flush on my zip zinger. 2 threads on my larger cruiser.

I guess their geo/turning characteristics could be considered a "feature" of their design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on January 27, 2023, 06:14:20 AM
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I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
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so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
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Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.

If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
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Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting
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I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.
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Every time I see an Ace pro in real life they have like 2 threads showing minimum cuz of this "feature"

I'm only 60kg/130pounds, have 1-2 threads showing and they're medium I guess. So yeah the kingpin could just be shorter, but those guys aren't riding them tight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deadringer on February 01, 2023, 09:18:49 AM
Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JimmyFive on February 02, 2023, 10:14:58 PM
This is my Ace hack for super surfy trucks. After a lot of experimenting I came upon this combo:

Riptide KranK longboard barrel 90a with no bottom washer. Riptide Krank 93a short street cone with cupped washer.

Kept the top bushing harder than the bottom to help with wheel bite. I also run Riptide 96a pivots. Such a surfy ride and keeps the original geometry.
(https://i.ibb.co/MsZGfBy/20230203-190812.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MsZGfBy)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bror on February 04, 2023, 03:06:45 AM
Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on February 04, 2023, 03:44:03 AM
Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..

No, they stick out a bit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
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Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..
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No, they stick out a bit


If you get the rubber ones, not the hard plastic ones, you can easily cut them down to fit nicely under the trucks with either a decent pair of scissors or a blade.

I think others have said the Mini Logo ones might fit the best under everything, the .1" pads with the elongated holes to fit anything, but it just depends what you have available in whatever area you are in.

Ace baseplates are a little shorter than Indy and Venture and a bit more in between the Indy / Venture and Thunder hole pattern.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 05, 2023, 09:09:17 AM
Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..

They don’t fit. They are too long on one side and not long enough on the other side. It ends up being staggered like the diagram below:

____ truck
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: The real veganshawn on February 07, 2023, 09:56:13 PM
Anyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose on the hollows?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on February 07, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
Anyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?

I did. Check your kingpin. Mine was loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jimgrude on February 07, 2023, 11:27:15 PM
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I did. Check your kingpin. Mine was loose.

Yeah, it's definitely a thing. My kingpin was loose forever and it was driving me nuts. Turns out it was the kingpin that was loose. I should have known.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 08, 2023, 05:05:10 AM
How many of you ace riders are likely to try the new Indy stage 4 reissues?

 Was talking about this overlap in the Indy thread and I was just curious.

I assume most people that ride Aces don't really want to try something else, but I thought the similarities in geometry might have piqued some of your interests

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on February 08, 2023, 07:51:46 AM
i think i said this before;
I feel like when i want to go straight, indy's feel squirrley and unpredictable when they are loose, where Ace's feel more stable. this is comparing both using indy bushings as well - never used the ace bushings yet.

i definitely ride mine with a thread or two showing and using the medium-hard indy bushings (Blue). they still turn good enough for me. i had them even more cranked for a session in the beginning, but it felt wrong. 1-2 threads feels perfect for me, personally. most people say my board is still way too loose in my area and cant do shit on it.

i find riding the board like this with 58mm wheels it forces me to land my tricks really clean. if i land where i am leaning heavily to either side i will bite so i feel like its actually making my skating BETTER! lol

i feel like if i am getting wheel bite on 47mm that i am going to set up once the snow is gone then that is 100% user error lol. idk how long i will actaually rock those wheels for but who knows maybe it will be really fun for that setup. may end up putting on a smaller F4 if the speed loss is too brutal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 08, 2023, 07:59:36 AM
i think i said this before;
I feel like when i want to go straight, indy's feel squirrley and unpredictable when they are loose, where Ace's feel more stable. this is comparing both using indy bushings as well - never used the ace bushings yet.

i definitely ride mine with a thread or two showing and using the medium-hard indy bushings (Blue). they still turn good enough for me. i had them even more cranked for a session in the beginning, but it felt wrong. 1-2 threads feels perfect for me, personally. most people say my board is still way too loose in my area and cant do shit on it.

i find riding the board like this with 58mm wheels it forces me to land my tricks really clean. if i land where i am leaning heavily to either side i will bite so i feel like its actually making my skating BETTER! lol

i feel like if i am getting wheel bite on 47mm that i am going to set up once the snow is gone then that is 100% user error lol. idk how long i will actaually rock those wheels for but who knows maybe it will be really fun for that setup. may end up putting on a smaller F4 if the speed loss is too brutal.

The "new" indys are stage 4 reissues, Aces are designed off of old indy geo, they may share some characteristics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 08, 2023, 08:08:51 AM
How many of you ace riders are likely to try the new Indy stage 4 reissues?
Fuck it: I plan on giving the a try.
Will likely wait to pick up at a discount once they hit the sale bins, though. I’m a thrifty son of a mother.  Mark downs are the only way I can justify my mild spending “habit” to myself.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 08, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
How many of you ace riders are likely to try the new Indy stage 4 reissues?



I'll be getting some. I haven't purchased beer in 2023 so far, so I can treat myself to some nostalgic pap. I'm prepared to be underwhelmed and I doubt I will use them to replace Ace and Thunder.  Honestly, I think Ace still look way more eye-pleasing but I am curious about the turn, as my first set of Indys were Stage 4.

Worse case scenario they end up on a Natas reissue I have set up. A good way to support my local on SSD. 151 or 166 is the dilemma.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 08, 2023, 01:21:25 PM
How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 08, 2023, 01:31:09 PM
How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.

Perhaps an unpopular opinion here, but I can switch seamlessly between Ace and Independent. They're just not that different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 08, 2023, 01:33:51 PM
How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.

Imagine the following:
Your current setup, but make the wheels 4 mm smaller and the wheelbase 0.25" shorter.
Pop should feel kinda like that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 08, 2023, 01:47:43 PM
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How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.
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Perhaps an unpopular opinion here, but I can switch seamlessly between Ace and Independent. They're just not that different.
I am same.
I mean, they clearly have some difs, but nothing that throws me off.
Should be noted that I will ride Ace, Indy, and Thunder in the same session without much notice beyond +/- some wheelbite, and a minor adjust for pop timing, so take that for what you will.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on February 08, 2023, 09:01:09 PM
I pop in and out of this thread - are there any signs the Classics will be discontinued in the near future? I have so much anxiety I will run out of 44s in the future.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on February 09, 2023, 03:37:20 AM
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: somefucker on February 09, 2023, 04:22:27 AM
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol

if you have the classics or can get your hands on someones old classic baseplate, they fit the DLK nicely. AF1 baseplate wont fit it :/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 09, 2023, 06:50:20 AM
I pop in and out of this thread - are there any signs the Classics will be discontinued in the near future? I have so much anxiety I will run out of 44s in the future.

I have a feeling it's going to happen. They barely market them, it's all about the AF1's now.

does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol

I have some converted Ace classics baseplates with the nuts JB welded into the baseplates. I used the Gorilla Glue brand, tho. I felt like it kinda dampened the turn, but if you wanna buy em, shoot me a DM.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 09, 2023, 07:03:40 AM
I pop in and out of this thread - are there any signs the Classics will be discontinued in the near future? I have so much anxiety I will run out of 44s in the future.

Ace hasn't mentioned discontinuing them. And when they came out with the AF1's they said that the classic would stick around (did not specify for how long though) because they knew many people liked the softer metal, original geometry, and the in between sizing.

I feel like classics kinda fill that base model or standard truck spot for ACE too since they are cheaper. Most truck companies have a standard truck too so idk why they would get ride of it unless it stops selling. Lots of their pros rid the classics still too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on February 09, 2023, 07:28:09 AM
iirc af1 are made in Taiwan and Classics are made in China (hence the price difference)
but they plan on moving all production to Taiwan
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: elegant_fox on February 09, 2023, 03:48:27 PM
I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 09, 2023, 04:28:17 PM
I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?

Lots of variables. Your weight, how loose are your trucks? wheel width and shape? Bushing duro? Deck to truck width ratio? concave, steep or mellow? what terrain do you skate?

In saying that I would say anything about 54mm you'll likely need risers on AF1s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on February 09, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?
Wait for the bushings to firm up. 56mm work for sure. I'm actually riding a setup with AF1 55 lows on 2.5mm risers and 57mm radials at the moment. So that's still a bit lower than AF1 standard height and I'd say that's the limit for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: elegant_fox on February 09, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
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I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?
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Lots of variables. Your weight, how loose are your trucks? wheel width and shape? Bushing duro? Deck to truck width ratio? concave, steep or mellow? what terrain do you skate?

In saying that I would say anything about 54mm you'll likely need risers on AF1s.


I’m 150lbs at 5’ 10”, running probably 1 thread proud. The deck is the PsStix 8.25 full shape/Quasi. I did swap to some worn 54mm Dragons and it was great, they must be at 53mm-ish now. I think the bushings are the stock split duro.

This setup is for crusty streets and banks.

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Ah, that’s some good info. I’ll try to break in the bushings this week.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on February 09, 2023, 05:46:20 PM
Anyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?

On classics one bolt will loosen and one will tighten on it's own. I have no idea why. I have them marked so I can just reset them every few sessions but it makes no sense to me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 09, 2023, 07:33:28 PM
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On classics one bolt will loosen and one will tighten on it's own. I have no idea why. I have them marked so I can just reset them every few sessions but it makes no sense to me


If you are still using the stock nuts that come with them (which have the rethreader thing inside) maybe swap them out for normal generic nuts.

Others have said the ones that come on the trucks lose their nyloc properties quite easily, whereas the usual generic ones should hold a whole lot better for a whole lot longer.

I switched everything out as soon as I got mine, more so just to have the novelty of the rethreader nuts kept with all the other random stuff, but don't have any issues with things like that on generic kingpin and axle nuts.


Re nuts - If they both move in the same direction - both move left or right that is, which will make one looser and one tigher, maybe it is a certain movement you are doing that has that effect, eg heavy carve into one direction slappy or something.  Just a thought anyway.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on February 13, 2023, 09:00:25 AM
switched from my 58mm down to 54mm and wow what a difference. Feels like you can turn way more but i am getting way less wheelbite. I often land a little too far forward on heelflips with myfront foot and i used to wheel bite every single time. Now it just feels like I can get away with really squirrley landings. I was debating putting sub 50mm wheels on but i think that would actually be too small. This feels really good now. So much easier to flip the board without these giant wheels on there. They feel faster too because they are 99a instead of 95a so losing the size didnt evne really sacrifice speed its just a little less smooth of a ride and not as good on rough ground, with massive tradeoffs of better slideability, better pop, and better flip tricks.

does anyone know what the heights are of each truck?  I see Thunders are 53mm for the most part and 51mm if they have the forged baseplates. I have heard Ace are like 53.5mm for the most part (lets say ~8.5" range) and Indys are like 55mm. Ventures are proably like 51mm as well Id guess?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on February 13, 2023, 09:29:44 AM
thunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those

ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s

venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower

indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're 53s when forged
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 13, 2023, 10:32:42 AM
thunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those

ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s

venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower

indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're 53s when forged

53.5mm and you can find all of the other indy specs in the lovely first post on the indy thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 13, 2023, 11:56:30 AM
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thunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those

ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s

venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower

indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're 53s when forged
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53.5mm and you can find all of the other indy specs in the lovely first post on the indy thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0

STEP YOUR GAME UP OTHER TRUCK THREADS

Thunder size chart is linked in the first post of the Thunder Thread
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 13, 2023, 12:15:49 PM
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thunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those

ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s

venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower

indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're 53s when forged
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53.5mm and you can find all of the other indy specs in the lovely first post on the indy thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0

STEP YOUR GAME UP OTHER TRUCK THREADS
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Thunder size chart is linked in the first post of the Thunder Thread

That's what I like to see.

Good work.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 03:51:01 PM
I see some Ace 55 Hi on Tactics for $35 (non-sale price). Is there a reason they’re cheaper than the other ones? Thinking about grabbing them since I like the 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 13, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
I see some Ace 55 Hi on Tactics for $35 (non-sale price). Is there a reason they’re cheaper than the other ones? Thinking about grabbing them since I like the 44s.

Honestly it's probably a typo

Edit: looks like all the Ace classics are going for under $40. I wonder what's going on there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OhioGuy on February 13, 2023, 06:47:25 PM
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Honestly it's probably a typo

Edit: looks like all the Ace classics are going for under $40. I wonder what's going on there.
Yeah, I assume they’re just the classics. Tactics seems to to be the only place that labels them like that.

https://www.tactics.com/ace/55-hi-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 20, 2023, 08:10:53 AM
Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 20, 2023, 08:34:25 AM
Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!

Plenty of people still ride/love/prefer the classics.

Many pros even.

The sizing, softer alloy grind feel, and slightly quicker turn are usually cited in the reasoning for this.

These are all subjective reasons, and really it all comes down to preference at the end of the day.

Ride whatever works/feels best for you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 20, 2023, 09:43:12 AM
Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!

I loved the Classics but the QC was absolutely junk. I ended up bending both hangers and having both kingpins rattle loose. I’ve been on AF1s since the spring and I can’t say I notice a huge difference in how they skate vs. the Classics, but I can say that the quality is much higher (just remember to replace the axle nuts with standard ones). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 20, 2023, 09:54:28 AM
The Classics are worth checking out. Softer metal so wear down super fast and the size options aren't everyone's choice. I had about four sets and never had a bent axle but other people certainly had issues. My kingpins did wiggle loose but they do on all my trucks and I kind of enjoy it.

Classics are also a tiny bit lighter and have a slightly different turn and pop feel, which I prefer to Af1s but there really isn't much in it.

I still have a pair of Classic 55s that I am savoring. If I hear they are going to be discontinued, I'll likely grab another pair.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2023, 10:03:36 AM
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I loved the Classics but the QC was absolutely junk. I ended up bending both hangers and having both kingpins rattle loose. I’ve been on AF1s since the spring and I can’t say I notice a huge difference in how they skate vs. the Classics, but I can say that the quality is much higher (just remember to replace the axle nuts with standard ones).

Are you on af-1 44s?
I was a huge fan of the classics. Loved the look of the 33s. When I sized up boards, I had the worst time getting pop out of the 44s, found a combo (short wb/and big wheels), but hated the look.
Got the af-1s the day they came out, and really never got along with them. Got the 44s, should have got 33s. But same issue, just couldn’t really get a good pop. Indys on flat boards, and thunders and ventures on anything feel great. Shit I liked the old royals when they were 50 mm. But the ace pop…never really solved it.
You got the recipe?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 20, 2023, 10:14:07 AM
Yeah, when the AF1 first came out their pivot cups were getting fucked up right away and they were going back n forth between saying it was a bad batch of cups and then saying the actual pivot cavity of the baseplates had some slight defects. Once it got sorted out, I really haven't read or seen anything happen involving shitty QC. I did have a set of the AF1 lows that one of the kingpins got loose as hell and I barely skated them, but I didn't really care cause I stopped using the lows anyways.

Classics...I broke so many baseplates from slappies, bent a few axles, and had quite a few loose kingpins. Their warranty dept always sorted me out quick, but it's clear that the AF1 is a much more no-fuss truck with seemingly no abnormal breaking/bending issues. It would not surprise me if they eventually fade out the classics. The AF1 has really taken off and everyone is riding them now with no hesitation. I feel like a lot of dudes wanted to try Ace's before the AF1 came out but they never pulled the trigger cause they heard about all the QC issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on February 20, 2023, 10:24:36 AM
Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 20, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Thanks everyone...sounds like the classics are still a respected truck. My only concern is that i normally ride 55 mm wheels and im seeing the classics are 52mm high which seems very low for a truck with that size wheel. I normally ride 55mm wheels on indy standards and have no issues but 3mm low seems like a big difference....maybe its not an issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2023, 10:46:29 AM
Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?

I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2023, 10:51:48 AM
Thanks everyone...sounds like the classics are still a respected truck. My only concern is that i normally ride 55 mm wheels and im seeing the classics are 52mm high which seems very low for a truck with that size wheel. I normally ride 55mm wheels on indy standards and have no issues but 3mm low seems like a big difference....maybe its not an issue?


55s, and more, worked very well for me on classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.


I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised how 'normal' they are...same can be said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on February 20, 2023, 10:54:47 AM
Thanks everyone...sounds like the classics are still a respected truck. My only concern is that i normally ride 55 mm wheels and im seeing the classics are 52mm high which seems very low for a truck with that size wheel. I normally ride 55mm wheels on indy standards and have no issues but 3mm low seems like a big difference....maybe its not an issue?

You'll be fine. Ace classics have a straighter kingpin angle than Indys, so the hanger takes longer to rotate around the kingpin as the axle move towards the board. So even though they're lower, it takes a longer or deeper turn to bite. They also have a taller, harder top bushing than Indy so you get a little bit more snap back.

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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.


I think they did it to compensate for the (very slightly) more angled kingpin? For my, they just don't return to center like the classics do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2023, 11:03:42 AM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.

You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2023, 11:59:57 AM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
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You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?

Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.

 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 20, 2023, 12:04:05 PM
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.

So true. Any bushings that aren't Ace "stock/medium" feel off, for me. They are the soul of any truck I put them on. Insanely lively/snappy/bouncy with rebound. Ace hard bushings make them not feel like Ace's as much. Same with Indy aftermarkets, hell even Riptides aside from their pivot cups. I hate Bones bushings now, and wonder why I ever thought they were good, they actually seem to mellow out turning vs make it quicker. Ace nailed it with those medium duro bushings. I wish they lasted a bit longer in the summer, I tend to shred them up from all the turning but whatever, no bushing is indestructible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 20, 2023, 12:22:20 PM
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Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!
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I loved the Classics but the QC was absolutely junk. I ended up bending both hangers and having both kingpins rattle loose. I’ve been on AF1s since the spring and I can’t say I notice a huge difference in how they skate vs. the Classics, but I can say that the quality is much higher (just remember to replace the axle nuts with standard ones).
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Are you on af-1 44s?
I was a huge fan of the classics. Loved the look of the 33s. When I sized up boards, I had the worst time getting pop out of the 44s, found a combo (short wb/and big wheels), but hated the look.
Got the af-1s the day they came out, and really never got along with them. Got the 44s, should have got 33s. But same issue, just couldn’t really get a good pop. Indys on flat boards, and thunders and ventures on anything feel great. Shit I liked the old royals when they were 50 mm. But the ace pop…never really solved it.
You got the recipe?

44s, yes. I haven’t noticed any difference in pop between my Ace and the Indy 144s I was skating before. I’m 42 and my pop isn’t the what it used to be, but fwiw, on my last session, I had no problem with knee-high switch pop shuvs. I skate decks between 8-8.25”, and I won’t buy anything with a wheelbase longer than 14.25”, but otherwise I am not very fussy about my setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 20, 2023, 12:25:44 PM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I bought new Ace trucks, well after the initial run, and I have had no problems at all with the pivot cup, but still I agree. I’m not convinced that soft polyurethane is the ideal material for a truck’s pivot cup; I think Indy has it right with a hard thermoplastic. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 20, 2023, 12:37:54 PM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
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You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
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Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.

Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.

The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 20, 2023, 01:31:12 PM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
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You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
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Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.
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Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.

The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.

I’m a few years older, and pop is precious. Switch pop shuvs…I remember those😢, faintly. Switch pop on ace would be manslaughter rn. I cannot even envision a positive outcome. Best case scenario would be a no pop to run out.

Totally agree with the thermoplastic/hard pivot cup. If these my trucks were smaller I’d consider modifying them, I’ve got some very orange indy pivot cups that are hard, but I’m trying to skate only 8”, and smaller, decks.

Indys used to be my go to, when I’d lose 360 flips. I figured the taller height, and shorter effective wb helped with the scoop. For me, because I am not good, kickflips on indys were super rough, but maybe once a month I’d have a session with the best 360 flips of my life. Generally on boards with lots of fingers of flat (o wish there was a better term).

The few times I’ve gotten ace to work for me, it has been a lot of fun, and I completely get why folks are so into them. When I get to old to ollie (soon) ace type trucks will be it. The turn is shocking, compared to my go to trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on February 20, 2023, 02:05:54 PM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
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You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
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Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.
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Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.

The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.

Rode venture for years, I’m set up on ace lows with the hard bushings, never skated the AF1s or the normal aces for that matter, I can say I like the way my lows turn compared to venture, and thunder I haven’t skated since I was a kid because of how bad the wheelbite was with 53mm wheels, it’s tolerable with aces, I don’t skate transition, I don’t do slappies so I can’t say how they perform in that aspect, but I am willing to say as far as me being able to skate ledges and flatground, I’ve either relearned tricks or gotten new ones, I don’t feel inhibited on them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on February 20, 2023, 02:37:25 PM
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Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently.  I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.

My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
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I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.

The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).

I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.

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I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.

Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
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You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.

Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
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Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.
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Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.

The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.
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I don't think that people are referring to how tight or loose the trucks are when they talk about stability. You can crank aces down so that its harder to tilt the board under your feet than on looser ventures.

When I talk about stability one of the things I'm referring to is how much the trucks turn when you tilt the board, and thats directly related to how much the hangers articulate. On ventures, you can tilt the trucks to some degree when setting up for a trick but the board won't actually turn that much whereas on aces, I find that sometimes when setting up for a trick where I need to lean toe or heelside I start rolling in a different direction.

In the same vein, when I land a trick slightly off center, especially if its a 180 trick where I'm rolling away fakie, I find that on aces its much harder to roll away straight. Because given the same truck tightness and pressure applied toe or heel side its going to turn much more than a venture.

All this is why people love the turn on aces but I find that its just not linear enough for me. When I skate aces I can make it work, great for some things, but have to crank them down and run them noticeably tighter than my ventures, which makes it much harder to tilt the board under my feet for certain tricks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on February 22, 2023, 04:26:23 AM
After years of contemplating, i finally just ordered some 44 classics. Ace website has some colors of the classics for 40 bucks a set and free shipping after 50 bucks so i also got a set of replacement bushings if needed. Very excited to try them out and hopefully they become my new choice of trucks for the ling run. Im going to run 55 mm wheels on them so hopefully i didn't need to get risers also. Once i skate them i will give an update how they are
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: elegant_fox on February 22, 2023, 11:12:00 AM
Been riding the Ace 55 AF1s this past week and they feel much better after some break in and riding at three threads cranked down. Zero bite on worn 54mm Dragon. They might be 53mm now.

Getting just the slightest bite when landing on 56mm Bones V5 x97, but it’s definitely manageable. That last two mm of clearance isn’t as clean as Indy, but it’s a lot better than new.

I have a feeling that the sweet spot for these trucks might be 54mm.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on February 22, 2023, 11:59:27 AM
Been riding the Ace 55 AF1s this past week and they feel much better after some break in and riding at three threads cranked down. Zero bite on worn 54mm Dragon. They might be 53mm now.

Getting just the slightest bite when landing on 56mm Bones V5 x97, but it’s definitely manageable. That last two mm of clearance isn’t as clean as Indy, but it’s a lot better than new.

I have a feeling that the sweet spot for these trucks might be 54mm.

i swtiched from 58mm down to 54mm on my AF1 60s and it felt way better
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: elegant_fox on February 22, 2023, 12:27:01 PM
Kubo Shota seems to be running a 56-58mm here: https://www.instagram.com/p/Co79gYHP30D/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Shin Sanbongi seems to run 54-58mm on Ace 55s, depending on the shot: https://www.instagram.com/p/CfyMMPkvM_c/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

It seems possible, but I’ll have to experiment more and see what makes the difference. For now, 54 feels like a natural fit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 22, 2023, 12:29:15 PM
Shin is def the dude who makes me want to ride ACEs the most.

He's so rad.

I dont skate like him at all haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on February 22, 2023, 12:33:37 PM
Shin is def the dude who makes me want to ride ACEs the most.

He's so rad.

I dont skate like him at all haha.

One of my favorites and probably between him and Cardiel for the skater whose talent I would pick to have after a genie granted me a wish.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2023, 02:47:19 PM
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Shin is def the dude who makes me want to ride ACEs the most.

He's so rad.

I dont skate like him at all haha.
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One of my favorites and probably between him and Cardiel for the skater whose talent I would pick to have after a genie granted me a wish.

I mean my faves are Gino, Lavar, Puleo, Antwuan, Wade.
And I favor 5.0/5.2 lo’s and 147s. So that tracks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchSkater on February 22, 2023, 03:02:17 PM
One day, i will tried Ace !

What is the difference with Venture trucks ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 22, 2023, 03:04:59 PM
Ace Ventura has a dual personality disorder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on February 22, 2023, 03:14:11 PM
What is the difference with Venture trucks ?
lol Venture and Ace are on the opposite ends of the truck spectrum in terms of geometry, turning radius, wheelbase extension, etc.

although I have 2 set-ups (8" x 14" wb with 5.6 Ventures and 8" x 14.25" wb with Ace AF-1 33's). Typically, I will pick one depending on the spot. I can skate both pretty comfortably and the difference in how the trucks feel isn't that jarring to me due to the board dims I pair the trucks with (& wheel size!)

TLDR: Comparisons between the 2 brands. Aces have a sharper/surfier turn, lighter pop feel, and grinds smoother. Venture is more stable (extends wb; more lean than turn), great pinch, and amazing kingpin clearance
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mean salto on February 24, 2023, 04:35:53 AM
Penny loves the ace turn (check second pic)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on February 24, 2023, 04:43:19 AM
ahhahaha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: scab on February 24, 2023, 05:03:20 AM
I think it's rad that one of the undisputable style gods is "guilty" of what some people consider the cardinal sin of skateboarding. You do you, Tom.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 24, 2023, 07:40:44 AM
Holy Shit. CANCEL TOM PENNY and his  BUSHING BULGING. #topbushingabuse
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on February 24, 2023, 07:44:36 AM
Oh my god, that's rough.

Tbh, I was wondering how Toms board still looked so stiff even with ace's.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 24, 2023, 08:19:25 AM
I’m going to send a $10 bill to Mesa so they put some hard bushings in his next box.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on February 24, 2023, 12:51:11 PM
^ doing the lords work! lol


someone start a change.org or something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 24, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 24, 2023, 03:14:27 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.

Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.

It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 24, 2023, 03:28:05 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.
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Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.

It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.
That was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.
I actually DO be liking the look of them though.
Those bushings on the other hand... Oofta!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chronicbackpain on February 24, 2023, 05:17:37 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.
[close]

Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.

It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.
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That was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.
I actually DO be liking the look of them though.
Those bushings on the other hand... Oofta!
He has had a lot of ankle surgery and that is supposedly why he needs tight trucks. I can’t defend those bushings. He’s either unaware of the option of swapping to harder bushings, or doesn’t care.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 24, 2023, 05:35:33 PM
Or his bushing exploded. Happened to my friend too, who wasn't riding them all that tight initially and he got lazy and just kept tightening once they exploded.

http://www.instagram.com/p/Bimz04_gOuA/

These have like a thread showing with stock bushings so he doesn't seem like a cranker.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on February 25, 2023, 03:41:38 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.
[close]

Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.

It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.
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That was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.
I actually DO be liking the look of them though.
Those bushings on the other hand... Oofta!
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He has had a lot of ankle surgery and that is supposedly why he needs tight trucks. I can’t defend those bushings. He’s either unaware of the option of swapping to harder bushings, or doesn’t care.

Those ARE hard bushings bros. I remember when he got on the team it was around the same time hard bushings had come out. Saw a Instagram story of him setting up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on February 25, 2023, 04:14:25 AM
feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on February 25, 2023, 07:38:25 AM
feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 

And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on February 25, 2023, 07:52:31 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.


havent bent! i’ve been towing a fresh set of AF1s with me each time i go out for the past month just waiting for them to kiss death. i feel like i could flip em and get a few more month(s?) out of them but my crook and feeble groves are so much like the topography of the grand canyon that the thought of starting over stresses me out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Plan9Customs on February 25, 2023, 09:40:09 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.

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havent bent! i’ve been towing a fresh set of AF1s with me each time i go out for the past month just waiting for them to kiss death. i feel like i could flip em and get a few more month(s?) out of them but my crook and feeble groves are so much like the topography of the grand canyon that the thought of starting over stresses me out
Ahem. There’s a thread just for this.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=43807.0
Now post some pics already!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on February 26, 2023, 02:12:07 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.

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havent bent! i’ve been towing a fresh set of AF1s with me each time i go out for the past month just waiting for them to kiss death. i feel like i could flip em and get a few more month(s?) out of them but my crook and feeble groves are so much like the topography of the grand canyon that the thought of starting over stresses me out
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Ahem. There’s a thread just for this.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=43807.0
Now post some pics already!

Exactly! We need some pictures to go along with this erotic story!  :-*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bror on March 01, 2023, 04:54:30 AM
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.

Feel like switching my 169s to the 66 to have a faster turn with the 15" wb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on March 01, 2023, 05:37:58 AM
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.

Feel like switching my 169s to the 66 to have a faster turn with the 15" wb.

I switched over almost immediately, the Texas heat don’t play around with bushings. I like them I ride the lows though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finecojeffe on March 01, 2023, 08:43:20 AM
got some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: notinternetfamous on March 01, 2023, 09:48:04 AM
got some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.
the clicking goes away eventually
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2023, 09:59:01 AM
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got some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.
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the clicking goes away eventually

The clicking went away after a few sessions, then returned for like an hour or two a few months later. Quiet since then.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: scab on March 02, 2023, 03:09:47 AM
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.

They make a huge difference for me. I'd say they're well worth it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: finecojeffe on March 02, 2023, 06:35:31 AM
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got some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.
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the clicking goes away eventually
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The clicking went away after a few sessions, then returned for like an hour or two a few months later. Quiet since then.

I was thinking of just putting a little wax on the top washer since thats what doing the clicking...but if it just goes away on its own then ill leave it alone
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2023, 06:48:19 AM
Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 02, 2023, 07:57:13 AM
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.

Feel like switching my 169s to the 66 to have a faster turn with the 15" wb.

I prefer them to stock, but i have some bias since i prefer harder bushings in general. I've been running the black indy bushings on my normal setup for a while.

The hard ace are def harder than stock, but by no means are they a HARD bushing imo. really depends on your weight i guess. I'm 160ish
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 02, 2023, 08:45:48 AM
Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.

My impression was that Ace designed a new cavity for the AF-1 which will only fit their cups, or aftermarket cups (so Riptide) designed specifically for that truck. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to design your own cavity, but it's a bit of a shame because the Classics will take a hard Indy pivot cup just fine.

So unfortunately, as far as I know there are two options and they are both soft polyurethane rather than harder thermoplastic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 02, 2023, 09:02:22 AM
I've ran Ace AF1 pivot cups, Riptide AF1 pivot cups, and those new China Indy insanely hard plastic pivot cups in AF1's. All three work fine, the Indy ones being the solution to the other two ripping, which they will if you like to slappy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2023, 10:29:42 AM
Thanks all.
Not heavy into slappies. I’m planning on cranking these down, so I can ollie. I’m just not a huge fan of the pop, and the wobble doesnt help
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on March 02, 2023, 10:32:44 AM
Thanks all.
Not heavy into slappies. I’m planning on cranking these down, so I can ollie. I’m just not a huge fan of the pop, and the wobble doesnt help

Tighten them and run risers if you want better pop feel on aces.

Pop is their weak point imo. def a big reason as to why i dont ride them on my normal setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
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Thanks all.
Not heavy into slappies. I’m planning on cranking these down, so I can ollie. I’m just not a huge fan of the pop, and the wobble doesnt help
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Tighten them and run risers if you want better pop feel on aces.

Pop is their weak point imo. def a big reason as to why i dont ride them on my normal setup.

To me, af1’s grace is that they are not indy. I’m pretty over my indy dislike.
My views on trucks are embarrassing, and inconsistent. Ventures, because that was the truck, and seems the authentic choice. Probably skate the best on thunders. Everything else when I’m looking for something to handle a bigger wheel.
Trying different pivot cups is me just trying to use stuff I already have/cobble together completes to give away.

On an ace related note, I’m finally moving on from my classic 55s: they are just too big for me. An 8.5 is my max, and those are too big for me, on that. Despite @smellsdead awesome looking setups. It’s weird because I really like the pop on them. A lot. But I know a guy that’s trying to find something to take up some of the time that he spent with the bottle, and these were what he wanted. It’s good to get rid of stuff and simplify, I’m sure it’ll help me more than him.
Keeping the 33 classics forever tho. Second best looking truck ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on March 02, 2023, 10:30:35 PM
Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.

you have orange pivot cups?


ask if these will work in af1's, i've no experience with them.

https://socalskateshop.com/Khiro-Products-Logo-Pivot-Bushings-Small-Hard-2-Trucks.html

edited^ to smalls, still not sure if they work in af1's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on March 04, 2023, 07:25:02 PM
Just wanted to report after my first ace session and say thanks to everyone for the good info leading up to me getting a set. I got the ace 44 classic for a 8.25 deck. For a while i thought 55mm wheels would get alot of wheel bite but i havent got anywhere near as bad as Indy standards. The turn is very similar to an indy but definitely better i would say. I also didnt get any bushing squeaking like i always get on indy recently. The bushing definately tightened up some as the session went on but i wasnt bothered by the how loose they were. I may even loosen them more than how they come stock. I am a smaller dude at 135 lbs so the trucks arent as squirrelly for me as some people made them out to be. They grinded very good on medal coping and the grind on curbs was very very good. I actually was doing way longer slappys than i do with indy or ventures with very little effort. The curb is nice and broken in, but these things went. Based off the 1st sesh, i can say i think i am fully converting to ace. Even the classics quality is better than indy to me but very similar feel if thats what you usually ride and dont want too much of a change, but a better feel. As long as the bushing hold up better than the indy bushing have been doing recently i am hooked already. I now understand the hype behind ace...its for a good reason
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: behavioralguide on March 05, 2023, 02:45:32 AM
Im not sure i like mine, came from 15+ years of indy

Most tricks that dont involve flipping are fine/better/same
But i seem to have lost all timings on nollie heels and sw bs flips for example. Ghost popping like crazy.

Might just be a steeper nose on the board but never lost it  like this before and i buy different shapes all the time
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on March 05, 2023, 04:16:34 AM
Im not sure i like mine, came from 15+ years of indy

Most tricks that dont involve flipping are fine/better/same
But i seem to have lost all timings on nollie heels and sw bs flips for example. Ghost popping like crazy.

Might just be a steeper nose on the board but never lost it  like this before and i buy different shapes all the time

Throw some riser pads under them and it will bring you up to Indy Standard height
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on March 05, 2023, 05:30:43 AM
Im not sure i like mine, came from 15+ years of indy

Most tricks that dont involve flipping are fine/better/same
But i seem to have lost all timings on nollie heels and sw bs flips for example. Ghost popping like crazy.

Might just be a steeper nose on the board but never lost it  like this before and i buy different shapes all the time

I have had the exact opposite experience since my flipping game was the worst ever on Indy. I rode Indies (139-159) over 10 years before switching to Ace. I've been on Aces about three years now and there's no going back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 05, 2023, 06:12:29 AM
Fuck ing a. Switch backside flips?!? In my opinion those and probably switch varial flips are as hard as it gets.
I’m terrible tho.

I don’t know anyone that is real flippy that rides ace.

That Lavar gif is the best. Greatest misses goat. Just the whole shit/kit.

Watching Jacopo footage has me wanting to setup my af-1 44s 🙄
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: douchenozzle on March 05, 2023, 08:45:03 AM
I’m sure this has been answered but how are hard bones bushings in Aces? Curious about riding but have been riding Indy hollows for a good while now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on March 05, 2023, 09:31:47 AM
I’m sure this has been answered but how are hard bones bushings in Aces? Curious about riding but have been riding Indy hollows for a good while now

bones bushings sorta messes up the geometry of aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 05, 2023, 10:13:33 AM
Even if you put washers underneath Bones bushings to make the geometry proper, they still don't turn anywhere near as good as Ace stock bushings. Imo, nothing beats em. Just ride Ace or Indy aftermarkets in the hard bushing offerings if you don't like the softer durometer of the stock Ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on March 05, 2023, 01:44:44 PM
Day 2 on the Aces classics ........in short, they are better than indy. Im kind of mad it took me this long to try aces. I love the 44 classic on the 8.25 deck. Very good match!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on March 05, 2023, 03:55:56 PM
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Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.
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you have orange pivot cups?


ask if these will work in af1's, i've no experience with them.

https://socalskateshop.com/Khiro-Logo-Pivot-Bushings-Large-Hard.html

Not even going to ask, just going to buy and try. Will report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 05, 2023, 04:13:02 PM
Those are for longboard trucks and will be too big. The smalls are for tkp trucks, and the hard durometer is insanely hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on March 05, 2023, 05:13:54 PM
Hmmm, maybe not then. I know you said the Indy cups work but unless they changed them recently, I'm skeptical because I tried them early in the AF1 release timeline and they were too small.

Might try and 3D print some? I have enough sets of classics that I shouldn't be worrying about this but the madness is real.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 06, 2023, 06:21:28 AM
Why are you opposed to just riding the AF1 stock pivot cups? Those and Riptides are both solid options.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2023, 06:34:35 AM
Why are you opposed to just riding the AF1 stock pivot cups? Those and Riptides are both solid options.

For me, on my af-1 44s, the trucks are just to squiggly. I also lose pop, swerving instead of setting up.
Are the riptides more firm?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 06, 2023, 08:34:54 AM
Yes, they are a firmer feeling urethane and a bit more durable than stock AF1 cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: elegant_fox on March 06, 2023, 08:42:19 AM
I tried the AF1 55s on transition for the first time this weekend and they felt too squirrelly even three threads cranked.

I may need to swap out the bushings if I want to really use these on the 12ft bowl in the park. The regular bushings feel great for street use though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: greenbeans on March 06, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol

Sorry for responding late but I feel lazy to check if someone replied. I don’t recall seeing ace sell kingpins but I’ve hammered the kingpin out and put Krux inverted
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RodneyMcMuncher on March 06, 2023, 05:08:33 PM
Gentleman.
Does anyone have a weight for the AF1 low in a 33 or can anyone please point me in the right direction?
Much appreciated
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 06, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
Gentleman.
Does anyone have a weight for the AF1 low in a 33 or can anyone please point me in the right direction?
Much appreciated

Literally google "af1 low 33 weight"
360g

Also, skatedeluxe.com has all those specs
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RodneyMcMuncher on March 06, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
Thank you Sir
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2023, 07:09:54 PM
Haven’t seen a lot of people on the lows. I like low trucks, I just haven’t been into ace.

I’ve been recently influenced.
Skated my af-1 44 today. I rarely get to skate, and skating is fun.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on March 12, 2023, 05:21:09 AM
Been skating 44 Classics on my 8.4 and AF1 55s on my 8.5 for a while now, and love them both.

However, the stock bushings started to feel too soft, as I’ve grown into liking tighter trucks again.

Hence, I swapped the stock mediums for Ace Hards and they are f*cking perfect. Hard enough so you don’t have to tighten the trucks to show 17 threads, but still turns like an Ace should.

Mind you, I’m a light dude, 145 lbs, but I like the stability the hard bushings bring on flatground (pop, setting up for tricks) and also when skating fast, bigger transitions.
 
For anyone struggling with the Ace stock bushings, I highly recommend trying the hards. They might feel a bit too hard initially, but give them a little time to break them in and they will be perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on March 12, 2023, 07:00:21 AM
have a pair of AF1 55s on ive i might run with hard bushing to try it out. i have no issues with the stock on my 44 classics but everyone seems to say the hard ones are great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: oliknight on March 12, 2023, 07:10:31 AM
Can anyone please tell me how to google information about ace trucks please?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 12, 2023, 07:13:31 PM
Can anyone please tell me how to google information about ace trucks please?
Ask Jeeves
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: thanksgiving on March 13, 2023, 01:31:48 AM
AF1 WILL NOT FIT INDY/ACE CLASSIC PIVOTS
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wafools on March 13, 2023, 08:28:57 AM
AF1 WILL NOT FIT INDY/ACE CLASSIC PIVOTS

They like “kinda fit”. I blew out an af1 pivot cup and only had an Indy and put it in. It fits and it works but it’s not as tall as an ace pivot cup. Like the pivot cup hole is a lot deeper than Indy. It worked but it sat bellow the baseplate by a MM or two. Might bother some people but I didn’t mind it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheSickness on March 13, 2023, 08:41:18 AM
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Why are you opposed to just riding the AF1 stock pivot cups? Those and Riptides are both solid options.
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For me, on my af-1 44s, the trucks are just to squiggly. I also lose pop, swerving instead of setting up.
Are the riptides more firm?

I had the same issue, but once I got the ACE hard bushings.  You have no idea how much of a great truck they became!
I don't imagine ever switching to anything else.  The buttery grind you get with Classic Aces is unbeatable, the turn is rad but for me the best part of both AF1 and Classics is the soft metal grind! 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on March 25, 2023, 08:44:24 PM
Someone mentioned wanting to see axled ace af1 trucks. Made me think about I haven’t axled mine yet despite skating them since the fall granted rain has kept me off the board a lot. Feel like I hit axle on independent stage 11 a lot quicker and wondering if the new stage 4s are hard metal like af1 if anyone knows about how the grinds feel or structure or the metal. Still skating some deep groove ace classics as well sometimes and enjoying them on their last legs felt like they ground away to axel a lot quicker also but maybe just skated a lot during the pandemic


Also these trucks are still rickety. Wouldn’t say squeaky sounds like the bottom washer is grinding along the kingpin this happen to anyone? Kinda annoying figured it would just go away as I kept skating but it makes the board sound so creaky not squeaky kinda annoying and makes the turn feel less smooth despite probably just being superficial

(https://i.ibb.co/5LQ5t3d/DF1-B6-A34-40-A4-4-D41-BB91-82-D5-D217-F6-B1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shady Individual on March 26, 2023, 12:14:46 AM
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 26, 2023, 06:38:18 AM
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)


Do you like the lows?
Nice work
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 26, 2023, 07:45:47 AM
Proper groovage, nice dude!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 26, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
what kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheAvidBleeder on March 26, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
I have been skating a pair of AF1’s off and on for about 6 months and noticed both kingpins are loose when I replaced the top bushings with hards.  The holes are wallowed out and the back kingpin fell all the way through when the baseplate was removed from my board.  I’ve had this happen a couple times with the older classics, but didn’t expect this with the AF1’s.  I put in a warranty claim and hopefully they will send me another set since there is plenty of life left.  They did so for me in the past. I mostly skate curbs so maybe the repeated stress of bashing into slappies took its toll.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tireeedd on March 26, 2023, 02:06:50 PM
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)

this looks wonderful
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on March 27, 2023, 12:02:00 AM
what kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?

I love my AF1 55's (with stock bushings) on my bowl/transition setup (8.5 deck with Bones SPF 84b wheels), the turning feels like surfing and grinds great. I'm a light dude, so for heavier guys I would recommend the Ace hard bushings, but many bowl riders seem to enjoy the trucks with the stock mediums as they really turn like on a cloud.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 27, 2023, 01:20:25 AM
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)

Very sick. I was thinking of moving from 44 classics to 55 af1 lows with 1/16 riser to help get a quicker pop. This makes me wanna go for it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on March 27, 2023, 07:26:55 AM
cant see ace lows being good. they already feel wheelbitey, not sure why you would more of that feeling. then again some people crank the fuck out of them so maybe it doesnt matter.

Ace trucks on 8" boards (size 33 from Ace i believe) feels so weird to me too becuase i feel like no matter how loose you have them, i have to tic tac like hell with every other brand, even indy, but with ace you actually can still swerve pretty nice. but if i am riding an 8" board i dont want to wheelbite so i think id rather stick with venture and just fully embrace the tic tac.

next time i buy Ace i MIGHT go hollows actually because i am finding these AF1 66s are pretty damn heavy. but this board is mostly just meant to slash curbs and do flat ground. its 9" egg. not really meant to heelflip manny something super high and tbh i dont care to do much more stuff like that anymore (could always just get out my 8" to handle that too). i just like how solid everything feels though and dont really want the tinnyness of hollows on this setup...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: turdtastic on March 27, 2023, 09:31:22 AM
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what kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?
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I love my AF1 55's (with stock bushings) on my bowl/transition setup (8.5 deck with Bones SPF 84b wheels), the turning feels like surfing and grinds great. I'm a light dude, so for heavier guys I would recommend the Ace hard bushings, but many bowl riders seem to enjoy the trucks with the stock mediums as they really turn like on a cloud.
I just switched from Classics to AF1 Hollows, and the bushings are vastly different.
I love my Classics stock, but on my AF1s I got crazy wheelbite with the stock bushings and still a little with the Ace hard as well.
I threw some Bones hard in and they feel great now.
For perspective, I’m a fairly big dude, 6’1 220lbs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on March 27, 2023, 09:37:02 AM
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what kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?
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I love my AF1 55's (with stock bushings) on my bowl/transition setup (8.5 deck with Bones SPF 84b wheels), the turning feels like surfing and grinds great. I'm a light dude, so for heavier guys I would recommend the Ace hard bushings, but many bowl riders seem to enjoy the trucks with the stock mediums as they really turn like on a cloud.
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I just switched from Classics to AF1 Hollows, and the bushings are vastly different.
I love my Classics stock, but on my AF1s I got crazy wheelbite with the stock bushings and still a little with the Ace hard as well.
I threw some Bones hard in and they feel great now.
For perspective, I’m a fairly big dude, 6’1 220lbs.

I'm 145lbs., so yeah, that might play a part. :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shady Individual on March 27, 2023, 12:41:15 PM


Do you like the lows?
Nice work

Thanks! I like them but must admit these the only Ace I've owned so don't know how they compare to the highs. The stock bushings were too soft for me (being tall and weighing around 200) but the Indy fit and work good for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: oliknight on March 29, 2023, 06:40:00 AM
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sebbo on March 29, 2023, 06:51:31 AM
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.

Noticed that as well today. One nut was almost falling off. Maybe my fault though, not sure.
But I am going back to royals again anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on March 29, 2023, 07:05:26 AM
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Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
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Noticed that as well today. One nut was almost falling off. Maybe my fault though, not sure.
But I am going back to royals again anyway.
Pretty well documented in this thread that the Ace AF1 re-threader axle nuts are shit for this reason. Just switch em out for any other axle nut, they're $1 for a 4pack at my local
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on March 29, 2023, 07:13:30 AM
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.

Yeah, I just keep the rethreading axle nuts in case I actually need rethreading. If they even work for that, not sure.
I have no problem with any other normal axle nuts though.

So you're saying your actual axles are too small or something? Your "tried other bolts" is kind of confusing me, I'm assuming you mean other axle nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2023, 07:13:48 AM
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.

Yeah, it's a dumb gimmick. Standard 5/16" nuts from the hardware store are like $.05 each. I always buy a bunch (like 10-20) and end up using them or giving them away when I'm out skating and someone's hardware is failing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: oliknight on March 29, 2023, 07:21:28 AM
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Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
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Yeah, it's a dumb gimmick. Standard 5/16" nuts from the hardware store are like $.05 each. I always buy a bunch (like 10-20) and end up using them or giving them away when I'm out skating and someone hardware is failing.

Thanks, this is a great idea, don’t know why I didn’t think of it haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on March 29, 2023, 07:27:34 AM
feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 

update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on March 29, 2023, 08:05:06 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.

Can i see or we see a picture of them?  :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2023, 08:10:56 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.

I do this with all my trucks. In fact, I usually don't pay attention to which was "front" and which was "back" when I set them up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: streetmeat on March 29, 2023, 09:10:18 AM
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feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces 
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update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.
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I do this with all my trucks. In fact, I usually don't pay attention to which was "front" and which was "back" when I set them up.

many people think this is an insane move!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on March 29, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
i rotate trucks, i am on the same mission my friend.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on March 29, 2023, 02:52:32 PM
i rotate trucks, i am on the same mission my friend.

They lost longer this way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 29, 2023, 08:04:40 PM
Anybody using the af1s without inside washers?
I really want to buy some low af1 44s…or 33s. I tend to skate 8s. And also 8.25s. And a lot of 8.125s. None of this matters, but yeah. Difficult choices
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on March 29, 2023, 08:14:32 PM
Anybody using the af1s without inside washers?
I really want to buy some low af1 44s…or 33s. I tend to skate 8s. And also 8.25s. And a lot of 8.125s. None of this matters, but yeah. Difficult choices

I don't know if they are like the classics where the axle sticks out a bunch even with the washers, but if so I wouldn't. I use 3 washers inside each wheel on my classic 44s to avoid having to rethread them (and also it makes them closer to a 8.5 truck) so if they do stick out, I'd get the 33s and throw some extra washers that way you would have something resembling 8.125ish trucks.

Maybe someone else who actually owns a pair of AF1 could answer this: do the axle stick out a lot with just the regular speed rings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2023, 09:49:12 PM
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Anybody using the af1s without inside washers?
I really want to buy some low af1 44s…or 33s. I tend to skate 8s. And also 8.25s. And a lot of 8.125s. None of this matters, but yeah. Difficult choices
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I don't know if they are like the classics where the axle sticks out a bunch even with the washers, but if so I wouldn't. I use 3 washers inside each wheel on my classic 44s to avoid having to rethread them (and also it makes them closer to a 8.5 truck) so if they do stick out, I'd get the 33s and throw some extra washers that way you would have something resembling 8.125ish trucks.

Maybe someone else who actually owns a pair of AF1 could answer this: do the axle stick out a lot with just the regular speed rings?


Ace trucks do seem to have very long axles compared to other brands, maybe the Classic version more so than the AF1s though.

I think I could fit four or more washers very easily on each side of Classics and still have lots of play in the wheel / bearings with the axle nut on flush, with three or four in the AF1s.

They also have a tapered end to the axles, so you can run no washers and it will still work, maybe depending on the bearings - some with longer bearing centres might work better than others with smaller bearing centres, that would cause the shields or other parts to rub if crushed. 


Edit:

That might not make sense, but the inside metal ring of the bearings do vary a bit between brands, sometimes even running spacers help with that too.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 30, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
44 AF1's are definitely smaller than classic 44's. The hanger is only like 138mm wide compared to classics, or any other brand that offers an 8.25" truck. They work fine on an 8" I've done it with no washer on the inside and everything barely pokes out on the sides. Smallest I'd go with classic 44's is 8.125" deck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 30, 2023, 02:01:40 PM
44 AF1's are definitely smaller than classic 44's. The hanger is only like 138mm wide compared to classics, or any other brand that offers an 8.25" truck. They work fine on an 8" I've done it with no washer on the inside and everything barely pokes out on the sides. Smallest I'd go with classic 44's is 8.125" deck.

Thanks for all of the responses. This one seems very accurate, to my experience. The 44s are narrower. Makes me think the 33s would be best on 7.75s, which although having a permanent place in my heart, are not my usual daily.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 30, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
7.75 yeah definitely go with 33's. I'll forever be attached to 44 AF1's, I wish they were the same size as the classics but extra axle washers help with that. AF1 55's have that classic 44 sized hanger with an 8.5 axle, but something about the numbers 44 when I look down...it just hits different <3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 30, 2023, 02:23:59 PM
7.75 yeah definitely go with 33's. I'll forever be attached to 44 AF1's, I wish they were the same size as the classics but extra axle washers help with that. AF1 55's have that classic 44 sized hanger with an 8.5 axle, but something about the numbers 44 when I look down...it just hits different <3

I’m trying to skate 8-8.25, shorter boards. Thanks for confirming af1 44s are the move.
I’ve been running my 44s with no inner ring, wondering if it was fucking up the bearings. The classics were more tapered...
I hated my af1s. A lot. Lately I’ve been into em…nutter
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on March 30, 2023, 04:35:26 PM
That taper on the classics is so inconsistent and wonky though. One side more conical than the other, sometimes even crooked so the contact point of the washer/bearing sits improperly. Haven't noticed that with the AF1's. They cleaned up their act. Glad you're digging them now, I went through the same motions with them. No need to go back to the classics but I sure hope they never go out of production. The option still needs to be there for an emergency.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 30, 2023, 08:48:44 PM
I’ve had weird time with ace trucks: first run, 33s, I was all in. The white ones, thought they looked sick. Kinda bounced around, but in general liked em.
For me, aces work better with short wb’s, and I dunno why that is.
After a lifetime of skating ventures/thunders, I am used to putting the ball of my foot, on the top of the tail (more so with ventures, but still), and for me to get any pop with aces I need to bring my foot down the kick, closer to the axle.
The main problem with ace, for me, is that I’m not good enough. I skate too slow, and I’m trying to hang onto a few flip tricks and don’t do much else, and that might not be their strongest thrust.
Aces do work well/better with larger wheels (a big wheel for me is a 54), and that is a motivator. It’s nice to be able to venture out past the smooth parking lots.
Classics were rad, I didn’t have the qc issues others he, or they didn’t bother me as much. The clicking washers on the af1s, and the pivot cups are not my favorite. In the hand they feel of noticeably nicer quality, and the oversized axle does feel faster with the bearings.
I land less shot on aces. But I can be lazier, and that appeals.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on March 31, 2023, 04:59:36 AM
The clicking washers on the af1s, and the pivot cups are not my favorite.

Did you ever try taking them apart and rubbing wax on the contact points (inside the washers, kingpin, pivots)? I did this and it immediately quelled the clicking and made ‘em feel more fluid. It’s dumb to have to do something like that to an expensive skateboard truck but I’d recommend it if the clicking noise gets to you like it got to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on March 31, 2023, 09:49:45 AM
The clicking washers on the af1s, and the pivot cups are not my favorite.
I've said this before: the clicking is just the sound of weakness leaving your trucks. ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on March 31, 2023, 10:36:00 AM
The main problem with ace, for me, is that I’m not good enough.

if you are trying to always land stuff you arent comfortable with, then Aces are not a good fit imo
I have said before, i think a lot of being good at skateboarding, or having good style, comes down to being adaptable. If you want to learn new stuff, consistency is key.

i think thats why its easier to learn flip tricks with tight trucks. it is 1 less thing to juggle mentally - how your board is going to swerve when you go to place your feet / wind up / etc. also how it will affect the landing. it is more unpredictable in general. i think that is why tricks look so much better when done on looser trucks because they are adding another element to it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on April 01, 2023, 06:57:27 AM
What's been the ideal replacement bushing of choice?
I can't see myself skating blue or red bushings at this point in the game & I've retired from Bones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on April 01, 2023, 08:02:17 AM
What's been the ideal replacement bushing of choice?
I can't see myself skating blue or red bushings at this point in the game & I've retired from Bones.

The ace hard bushings have been good to me, got the low ones. Riptide also makes AF1 bushings as well, had those in my ventures and they turned lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on April 02, 2023, 06:43:34 AM
Ace hards are great. Always recommend them for peeps, especially those who find the stock ones (medium) too soft. They're not hard like Bones bushings at all. It's Ace. They will turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on April 02, 2023, 08:47:41 AM
I find they actually make Ace's turn a lot shittier. The stock medium bushings are the soul of the truck. I recommend if people find them too soft to hold off on switching them out and let them firm up. If not, just swap out only the top bushings for something harder. I think a good trick is stock Ace bottom and a Bones medium top bushing with the flat washer. Super good rebound back to center and it firms them up a bit and adds stability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 05, 2023, 05:31:01 AM
Here's the deal:

Classic hangers don't fit AF1 baseplates because the classic pivot is thicker and there's less space in the AF1 pivot cup.

AF1 hangers fit into the classic baseplate, but it wiggles because there's more space in the pivot cup.

Now here's the question: Are the actual pivot cup holes inside the baseplate the same size, so that you can just put an AF1 pivot cup into a classic baseplate and use it for AF1 hangers?

I need an AF1 baseplate and that would be great.

TLDR: Do AF1 pivot cups fit classic baseplates? Therefore making it an AF1 baseplate
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 05, 2023, 02:36:27 PM
Here's the deal:

Classic hangers don't fit AF1 baseplates because the classic pivot is thicker and there's less space in the AF1 pivot cup.

AF1 hangers fit into the classic baseplate, but it wiggles because there's more space in the pivot cup.

Now here's the question: Are the actual pivot cup holes inside the baseplate the same size, so that you can just put an AF1 pivot cup into a classic baseplate and use it for AF1 hangers?

I need an AF1 baseplate and that would be great.

TLDR: Do AF1 pivot cups fit classic baseplates? Therefore making it an AF1 baseplate
They are the same size width, but the af1 pivot is maybe a hair taller (hand poured - some aren't perfect.) Mine stuck out a little bit, but I just took a razor to the excess to make it flush. Works great if you want the AF1 pivot cups and hollow hangers but on the good ol mag plate from the classic ACE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 05, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
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Here's the deal:

Classic hangers don't fit AF1 baseplates because the classic pivot is thicker and there's less space in the AF1 pivot cup.

AF1 hangers fit into the classic baseplate, but it wiggles because there's more space in the pivot cup.

Now here's the question: Are the actual pivot cup holes inside the baseplate the same size, so that you can just put an AF1 pivot cup into a classic baseplate and use it for AF1 hangers?

I need an AF1 baseplate and that would be great.

TLDR: Do AF1 pivot cups fit classic baseplates? Therefore making it an AF1 baseplate
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They are the same size width, but the af1 pivot is maybe a hair taller (hand poured - some aren't perfect.) Mine stuck out a little bit, but I just took a razor to the excess to make it flush. Works great if you want the AF1 pivot cups and hollow hangers but on the good ol mag plate from the classic ACE

Welcome back
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 05, 2023, 06:03:53 PM
Welcome back
always watching  ;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 07, 2023, 11:37:32 AM
Gonna get some AF1 hollows and I'm debating between 44s and 55s. I usually ride anything from 8.25 to 8.5, most of the time 8.38. Used to have some classic 44s which I loved but am currently skating 149s. What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards 55s... Probably gonna put some 53mm conical fulls on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on April 07, 2023, 12:13:22 PM
If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: overwaxed on April 07, 2023, 12:45:36 PM
If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on April 07, 2023, 12:48:44 PM
AF1 55's more or less equals the same size in the 44 classics. However, I've rode AF1 44's on 8.5 decks plenty and it's fine, just put some extra washers on the inside of each wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 07, 2023, 02:58:11 PM
55 on 8.25+ all day. I regret getting the AF1 44s at first and they're on my cruiser now.

Currently riding 44 classics on 8.25 and for the first time I get what people mean by "squirrely". After mostly riding thunders, I felt like I can't stop doing tiny slalom carves when I try to go parallel to a ledge.

Tightened them down to about 1.5 threads showing on both kingpins, bushings firmed up a bit and now they feel amazing and stable.
Nose and tailslides after switching from thunder to ace are ridiculously fast and smooth. I've struggled with fs noseslides for the past month on thunders, today was my first time on the aces and suddenly they're super easy because I don't have to lock in absolutely perfect in order to slide. Love it. (This is only because it's a weird sticky ledge, thunders are great on other ledges)

Loose trucks saved slides
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 07, 2023, 04:32:33 PM
Thanks for the replies guys!  :D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 07, 2023, 04:51:46 PM
55 on 8.25+ all day. I regret getting the AF1 44s at first and they're on my cruiser now.

Currently riding 44 classics on 8.25 and for the first time I get what people mean by "squirrely". After mostly riding thunders, I felt like I can't stop doing tiny slalom carves when I try to go parallel to a ledge.

Tightened them down to about 1.5 threads showing on both kingpins, bushings firmed up a bit and now they feel amazing and stable.
Nose and tailslides after switching from thunder to ace are ridiculously fast and smooth. I've struggled with fs noseslides for the past month on thunders, today was my first time on the aces and suddenly they're super easy because I don't have to lock in absolutely perfect in order to slide. Love it. (This is only because it's a weird sticky ledge, thunders are great on other ledges)

Loose trucks saved slides


I regretted getting the af1 44s, and now I’m into them. They work great on 8-8.25


I once slammed so awkwardly on a regular noseslide, with thunders, that I stopped skating them for a few years, and they are probably my preferred truck. I’m shit, in general, but especially on ledges
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 07, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
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If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
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Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38

Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 07, 2023, 10:03:48 PM
I think Af 55s work on 8.5 well just put 1 or 2 spacers inside. I use Af1 55s with two spacers inside axle on both my cruisers that are over 9" but super wide wheels makes them a perfect cruiser setup trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 10, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on April 11, 2023, 12:09:58 AM
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.

Let us know how they are! I'm def interested in the hollows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on April 11, 2023, 01:51:52 AM
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.

55s are a few mm wider.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 11, 2023, 04:32:27 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.

Yes, but barely. The hangers are much closer to 144s than 149s. The axles are still 8.5" though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baustin on April 11, 2023, 06:39:37 AM
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If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
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Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38
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Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.

I like my AF1 44s on this 8.5 Chocolate Skidul “curb setup” of mine. Def some magic carpet up at the front bolts but pretty flush at the back bolts due to the tapered rails.

I grew up mostly skating 8” trucks on 8.125-8.25 decks though so I’m a bit of a magic carpet enthusiast I think. It allows me to skate a bigger size deck without feeling like I’ve gone all in on having a “big” board setup that isn’t good for flip tricks and whatnot. Like anything else it comes down to preference and what you want out your setup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2023, 06:42:56 AM
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If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
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Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38
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Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.
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I like my AF1 44s on this 8.5 Chocolate Skidul “curb setup” of mine. Def some magic carpet up at the front bolts but pretty flush at the back bolts due to the tapered rails.

I grew up mostly skating 8” trucks on 8.125-8.25 decks though so I’m a bit of a magic carpet enthusiast I think. It allows me to skate a bigger size deck without feeling like I’ve gone all in on having a “big” board setup that isn’t good for flip tricks and whatnot. Like anything else it comes down to preference and what you want out your setup

Yes.
I skated a bunch of 7.75s on 5.0s, and this is a similar ratio.
The af1 44s feel very deck size flexible, in a range I’m most likely to enjoy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GiftedBater on April 12, 2023, 07:20:15 PM
Has anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texasplant on April 12, 2023, 08:45:09 PM
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If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.
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Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38
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Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.


The advantage to the classics is that the actual axle is longer than a standard pair of trucks. I have enough room on the insides of my wheel to put 4 of the “wider” Ace washers which definitely makes them wide enough for 8.5s. On the opposite end, you can also run them without the washers since the hanger has a rounded shape to it. I’ve skated them comfortably on 8.1 - 8.6 depending on wheels
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on April 13, 2023, 06:39:17 AM
Has anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.

So like a hollow AF1 with added weight because of the axle? I’m sure they are compatible, but what’s the reasoning? Why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
just realized that the indy bushings i am using in here are actually WAY lower than the stock ace bushings.  It has been working pretty damn great for me to be honest but I do want to see what its like with the stock bushings now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 13, 2023, 09:42:22 AM
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.

Nice, was just about to say get the 55's

more versatile IMO

narrow trucks get kinda sketchy at higher speeds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 13, 2023, 11:15:32 AM
just put the stock bushings back in. i dont know why i didnt try this in the first place. it feels fine, i dont think i really noticed any huge difference. it feels a bit more cushiony but i forgot i was on a different thing after like 1 minute. i suppose i had the option to go tighter on the indy bushings, but you really have to crank it down because they are so much more low profile. i didnt want it to go tighter. it feels like maybe you can go a bit deeper with softer bushings which is kinda scary but it feels really stable to me as far as trusting it. if i land good, i know the truck will be stable. still curious to know what the hard bushings feel like, maybe a little more support against wheelbite if you are launching down drops. but i guess i dont really need that cause i am not gonna be doin that.

I felt like I hardly had to crank down at all, like 2 threads it felt way too tight for me, and bushings werent squished at all.

be careful not to mix up the bottom washer either, the ace bottom washers are a little deeper to allow for more squish (i think? i could have got them mixed with the indys, but anyway i chose the deeper bottom washer to prevent squish) and it worked fine. I accidentally put one of the shallow ones, and it got squished right away and the bushing was coming out of the side  :o

the top washer is baiscally identical to the indy one though. could not tell difference between them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 13, 2023, 10:45:07 PM
just put the stock bushings back in. i dont know why i didnt try this in the first place. it feels fine, i dont think i really noticed any huge difference. it feels a bit more cushiony but i forgot i was on a different thing after like 1 minute. i suppose i had the option to go tighter on the indy bushings, but you really have to crank it down because they are so much more low profile. i didnt want it to go tighter. it feels like maybe you can go a bit deeper with softer bushings which is kinda scary but it feels really stable to me as far as trusting it. if i land good, i know the truck will be stable. still curious to know what the hard bushings feel like, maybe a little more support against wheelbite if you are launching down drops. but i guess i dont really need that cause i am not gonna be doin that.

I felt like I hardly had to crank down at all, like 2 threads it felt way too tight for me, and bushings werent squished at all.

be careful not to mix up the bottom washer either, the ace bottom washers are a little deeper to allow for more squish (i think? i could have got them mixed with the indys, but anyway i chose the deeper bottom washer to prevent squish) and it worked fine. I accidentally put one of the shallow ones, and it got squished right away and the bushing was coming out of the side  :o

the top washer is baiscally identical to the indy one though. could not tell difference between them.

Are you on Classics or AF1s? On Classics the bushings bulged out of the washers quite commonly. Haven’t had or heard that happen with AF1s. The washers on the Classics were rubbish (too small & too thick) IMO and I always changed them to normal ones. Haven’t had to do that with the AF1s.

Vaguely related to this:
I just recently set up a new cruiser with an old set of Ace 44 Classics. I’ve been mostly on AF1s since they came out. Initially I liked the Classics better but now I’m not so sure anymore. I felt more resistance to the turn with the Classics now. Kinda like on Krux but nowhere near as bad. Just that it wasn’t so easy to wheelbite as it should have been. I need to check the washers. Could be thatI have Ace washers in that set, which I probably haven’t skated in years, even though I think I threw all of the crappy Ace washers out years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sbr on April 14, 2023, 05:18:56 AM
I have suffered through the clicking on almost all of the sets of AF1's I've had since they came out and only 1 of 4 sets I've skated had the issue go away on its own. It took me until now to realize the issue is the outer diameter of the top part of the top bushing does not "nest" in the top washer and when the bushing mushes during turns it causes the washer to shift and catch the kingpin threads. The urethane they use also is tackier than most companies use and I think that only amplifies the bushing grabbing against the underside of the washer enough to shift it around. I swapped my top bushing out for a Thunder top bushing and kept everything else bone stock and it seems to have gone away. Another plus to this is the Thunder top bushing is a tiny bit shorter so I'm able to get my kingpin nuts fully on the threads while keeping the trucks as loose as I want them to be. Hopefully, this puts an end to the click for good because it feels great and was a simple enough fix...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52817077130_44dcf4dbfd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2otgjUS)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 14, 2023, 06:22:53 AM
I have suffered through the clicking on almost all of the sets of AF1's I've had since they came out and only 1 of 4 sets I've skated had the issue go away on its own. It took me until now to realize the issue is the outer diameter of the top part of the top bushing does not "nest" in the top washer and when the bushing mushes during turns it causes the washer to shift and catch the kingpin threads. The urethane they use also is tackier than most companies use and I think that only amplifies the bushing grabbing against the underside of the washer enough to shift it around. I swapped my top bushing out for a Thunder top bushing and kept everything else bone stock and it seems to have gone away. Another plus to this is the Thunder top bushing is a tiny bit shorter so I'm able to get my kingpin nuts fully on the threads while keeping the trucks as loose as I want them to be. Hopefully, this puts an end to the click for good because it feels great and was a simple enough fix...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52817077130_44dcf4dbfd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2otgjUS)

you are shaping up to be a great poster man, keep it up. bonus points for 56mm classics (my favorite wheel)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sbr on April 14, 2023, 08:10:07 AM
you are shaping up to be a great poster man, keep it up. bonus points for 56mm classics (my favorite wheel)

I appreciate that since I'm otherwise an OCD headcase in search of the perfect setup hahaha. I rode Conical Fulls for a while and went back to Classics about 4 or so years ago and somehow feel like my grind lock-in is dramatically better with them. When I started having issues with the bearings moving in the bearing seats I started trying different shapes and sizes, but since it happens on everything I landed back on F4 56mm Classics because for whatever reason they work the best for me. Anything with a wider contact patch feels so unbelievably slow to me lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 14, 2023, 08:23:52 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.

so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 14, 2023, 09:00:31 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.
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so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?

Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on April 14, 2023, 09:49:15 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.
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so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
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Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/

damn thanks for the pics! super helpful!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 14, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.
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so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
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Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/

My AF1 55 hangers are 147mm. Those ventures look huge.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on April 14, 2023, 11:09:57 AM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.
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so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
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Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/
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My AF1 55 hangers are 147mm. Those ventures look huge.

The venture hangers are 150mm. The 55s hangers are 147mm if you count the tapered part, but the flat surface before the taper comes in around 145.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 14, 2023, 06:12:36 PM
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I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
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55s are a few mm wider.
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so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
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Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/
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damn thanks for the pics! super helpful!


Yep, sure is a funny one.

I had put four or so washers on the inside of each axle just to get the wheels to sit nicely on the AF1 55s on an 8.5" board I put them on without having too much axle sticking out, but it looks a bit weird having so many washers on there with anything other than wider wheels - right now with 56mm Classic Full shaped Spitfires, so they cover it well.

Other people just run them as is and they look more like Indy 144s on their 8.5 boards.

Just down to how you prefer your setup to feel.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 16, 2023, 09:39:15 AM
From the latest Thrasher (#515)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050668908544/PXL_20230416_1633517292.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050928947231/PXL_20230416_163359992.jpg)

Black baseplates with raw hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2023, 11:47:30 AM
From the latest Thrasher (#515)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050668908544/PXL_20230416_1633517292.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050928947231/PXL_20230416_163359992.jpg)

Black baseplates with raw hangers?

That skate pic so good tho. Looking like some wide ones, the pop needed, and the front truck articulation…very nice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 16, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
From the latest Thrasher (#515)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050668908544/PXL_20230416_1633517292.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050928947231/PXL_20230416_163359992.jpg)

Black baseplates with raw hangers?

Says Theories below it, so collab.

One can only hope for mag plates again ;) I'd be first inline for some hollow mag AF1s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2023, 12:18:07 PM
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From the latest Thrasher (#515)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050668908544/PXL_20230416_1633517292.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1097199050928947231/PXL_20230416_163359992.jpg)

Black baseplates with raw hangers?
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Says Theories below it, so collab.

One can only hope for mag plates again ;) I'd be first inline for some hollow mag AF1s

Hollow mag af1s would be a purchase for certain.   
I bitched about the af1s, and some of that was justified, but the manufacturing seems really good.
Now that I’m skating so sporadically, some of the stuff I didn’t like before, bothers me much less. Very good trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: VCR on April 16, 2023, 02:47:48 PM
https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/x-theories-of-atlantis-af1-55-hollow-raw-black-skateboard-trucks-8-5-p63758 (https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/x-theories-of-atlantis-af1-55-hollow-raw-black-skateboard-trucks-8-5-p63758)

Better look at the Theories trucks, nothing crazy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hiljentaa on April 16, 2023, 06:14:37 PM
^ The raw finish looks dope.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 17, 2023, 04:23:25 AM
Ace is the only 8" truck that doesn't feel tic-tacky to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on April 17, 2023, 07:26:11 AM
Damn, the nerd in me really wants those for the raw hanger to match the dull rugged look of the vintage Indy plates that I pair them with for IKP usage. Can’t find them anywhere besides that native skate store link tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GiftedBater on April 18, 2023, 08:44:24 PM
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Has anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.
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So like a hollow AF1 with added weight because of the axle? I’m sure they are compatible, but what’s the reasoning? Why?

To offset some of the weight while having an axle that feels sturdier and less tinny.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 19, 2023, 05:52:31 AM
Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.

Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.

Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.

Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on April 19, 2023, 06:34:57 AM
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Has anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.
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So like a hollow AF1 with added weight because of the axle? I’m sure they are compatible, but what’s the reasoning? Why?
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To offset some of the weight while having an axle that feels sturdier and less tinny.

Well then, yea bro they are interchangeable as far as I know, I put the hollow hangers on my low baseplates, I just have never heard anyone trying it between the regular and hollow AF1, I would think it wouldn’t be an issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on April 19, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on April 19, 2023, 08:37:27 AM
Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn

As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on April 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
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Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
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As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 19, 2023, 09:38:46 AM
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Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
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As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
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Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.
Don't change anything unless it feels wrong when skating. Sometimes the more fucked up the bushings are, the better it feels
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 19, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
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Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
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As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
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Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.
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Don't change anything unless it feels wrong when skating. Sometimes the more fucked up the bushings are, the better it feels

I need to follow this rule

but my setup obsessive tendencies make it hard.

I gotta look at my setup and feel right/good about it.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: djoekr on April 19, 2023, 10:09:40 AM
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Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
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As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
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Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.

I thought this was normal? I've had it happen on both Indy and Ace trucks. Happens a lot quicker on the Bones Hards I used to skate in my Indy's, which actually made me change to Ace with stock bushings. So far I've worn down about 3 decks on them with only minimal damage to the front truck bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 19, 2023, 11:05:21 AM
i do that with indys as well. as the bushings get worn in you will notice they get super loose and you will have to tighten them.

it seems like the back truck (i think?) wears out slightly faster than the front one too, so you end up with kinda un-even cranking but i try to get them feeling about the same if that makes any sense
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on April 19, 2023, 01:01:33 PM
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Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
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As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
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Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.
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I thought this was normal? I've had it happen on both Indy and Ace trucks. Happens a lot quicker on the Bones Hards I used to skate in my Indy's, which actually made me change to Ace with stock bushings. So far I've worn down about 3 decks on them with only minimal damage to the front truck bushings.

It might be, this pair of aces is my first pair of new trucks in ages. I can't remember seeing my bushings doing it but I also haven't skated this much slappies ever...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sbr on April 20, 2023, 10:47:21 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52832525556_89d8925fa2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ouCvc3)

Experimenting with this and so far I'm linking it... 94a hard top as a bottom / 91a stock top as a top with both washers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 20, 2023, 11:15:35 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52832525556_89d8925fa2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ouCvc3)

Experimenting with this and so far I'm linking it... 94a hard top as a bottom / 91a stock top as a top with both washers

that is one turny ass setup, conicals on both sides making the wheelbase even shorter than stock and almost no KP showing!

I could never skate well on that. It would be fun though, until i tried to do tricks lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sbr on April 20, 2023, 11:58:43 AM
that is one tunry ass setup, conicals on both sides making the wheelbase even shorter than stock and almost no KP showing!

I could never skate well on that. It would be fun though, until i tried to do tricks lol.

Funny enough it's no less wobbly than the stock bottom with the Thunder top. I tried the 91a/94a combo both ways and felt like I got a more controlled turn with less wobble running the 94a on the bottom. I'm only 136lbs and I'd classify the feel (for me) as "controlled loose" and not to the point of rattling. I'd probably need to ditch the bottom washer to get them to flop around on their own lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on April 20, 2023, 12:45:30 PM
Anyone in the USA know where to find those theories collabs yet? I want them for the hangers badly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 20, 2023, 08:13:42 PM
Anyone in the USA know where to find those theories collabs yet? I want them for the hangers badly.

I can't decide how I feel about them.

I want to say I like them. But the idea of a raw/flat hanger just seems wrong.

Looked weird on lurpivs, but it wore away quickly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 21, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
its weird i definintely remember when i first got on Ace it felt WAY too turny and i was like tightening it like fucken crazy. Coming off of Indy's that I rode almost stock, really loose. now i am used to Ace it doesnt feel loose at all. I have like ~1 thread down and it almost feels too tight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: threequartercab on April 24, 2023, 01:30:05 AM
General Question: would it be possible to mix a ace-low baseplate with classic 44 hangers? Or are only AF1s fitting the news baseplates?
Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JimmyFive on April 24, 2023, 02:00:40 AM
Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.

Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.

Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.

Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.

I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 24, 2023, 02:45:01 AM
General Question: would it be possible to mix a ace-low baseplate with classic 44 hangers? Or are only AF1s fitting the news baseplates?
Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.

Doesn't fit. The classic hanger nub is too big for the af1 pivot cup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 24, 2023, 04:37:02 AM
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Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.
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Doesn't fit. The classic hanger nub is too big for the af1 pivot cup
You can use any other classic pivot cups, and it will fit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on April 24, 2023, 06:08:16 AM
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Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.

Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.

Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.

Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.
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I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.

The ace hard bushings make them feel less crazy, especially when you have them tightened down a bit. I have  about 3 threads showing.

Feeling goooood.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on April 24, 2023, 08:30:01 AM
i still have not been able to get the hard bushings but i dont evne think i want them anymore anyway. It feels pretty damn perfect for how I want this setup. the one thing i guess i would say that maybe i would want the harder bushings is i feel like Aces kinda absorb a ton of your speed when you come off a big drop. it feels really cushiony when you land. if these soft ones get really blown out before i hit axle, i will probably give the hard bushings a try if i cna get them just to see if its any better. my friend said it wasnt that much different it still absorbs the speed a lot but he really prefers the turning.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on April 24, 2023, 08:39:51 AM
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Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.
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Doesn't fit. The classic hanger nub is too big for the af1 pivot cup
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You can use any other classic pivot cups, and it will fit.

Are you sure? I recently wondered about this as well. If simply changing the pivot cup makes it work that would be sick. All I know it that the hanger nubs, as well as the aftermarket pivot cups for classic and AF1 are different sizes. The big question is if the actual pivot cavities are the same size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on April 24, 2023, 09:24:32 AM
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Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.

Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.

Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.

Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.
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I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.
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The ace hard bushings make them feel less crazy, especially when you have them tightened down a bit. I have  about 3 threads showing.

Feeling goooood.

Fully agreed, the Ace hards were a game changer for me, was nearly ready to give up on Ace trucks altogether before I realized how great combination of turnability and stability the hard bushings can provide.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: turdtastic on April 24, 2023, 11:51:46 AM
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Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.

Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.

Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.

Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.
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I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.
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The ace hard bushings make them feel less crazy, especially when you have them tightened down a bit. I have  about 3 threads showing.

Feeling goooood.
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Fully agreed, the Ace hards were a game changer for me, was nearly ready to give up on Ace trucks altogether before I realized how great combination of turnability and stability the hard bushings can provide.
Being a bigger guy, I had to go Bones Hard to get a little more stability, as the Ace shards weren’t hard enough.
Added flat washers on the bottom and top to hide some of those extra threads that keep getting talked about.
Madness averted for the time being.
On a different note, the AF1s grind faster/feel harder, but seem to “rip” easier than my Classics did.
Caught the hanger on the kingpin loop weird on metal edged ledge and it tore my AF1s and left a jagged piece hanging there; where any other trucks I’ve had would just seem to dent when something like this happens.
Maybe random, or has anyone else had something like this happen?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 01, 2023, 02:42:48 PM
Does anyone trim down the stock bushings. I like medium loose trucks but the nylock on my bolt isn't fully engaged I guess so they keep phantom loosening. Thinking about either shaving down the top bushing or using some loctite.

Also tempted to switch out to Indy conical bushings if anyone's tried it. They turn good but just stop deep into the turn and the wheels come off the ground.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 01, 2023, 04:27:12 PM
Does anyone trim down the stock bushings. I like medium loose trucks but the nylock on my bolt isn't fully engaged I guess so they keep phantom loosening. Thinking about either shaving down the top bushing or using some loctite.

Also tempted to switch out to Indy conical bushings if anyone's tried it. They turn good but just stop deep into the turn and the wheels come off the ground.


I think most people found Ace bushings a bit soft, but when I put the Indy stock bushings in (which were shorter) they made everything so very loose indeed, so even just try any other stock top bushings you have around, or even leave off the bottom bushing washer to see if that makes a difference, without having to cut or buy anything.

As to cutting down the bushing, yes I have cut down everything - pretty much every brand truck and bushing, mainly when the truck is being worn to axle and the lower top bushing is needed for more clearance, but it is still the same, cutting a mm or so off the bottom of the top bushing makes it feel way looser, or means you can tighten the nut down lower on the kingpin for the same amount of turn with a lot more clearance.

At least feeling it out a bit first or doing the mix and match should help to figure out the best solution, but cutting down the top bushing is something you get used to doing easily enough, but can be a pain if you are not used to it.

I know a few people who leave off the bottom washer completely for the life of the trucks, to really get a lot more turn out of them, so that might be a good one to start with and just see how that feels for you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 01, 2023, 09:39:50 PM
Does anyone trim down the stock bushings. I like medium loose trucks but the nylock on my bolt isn't fully engaged I guess so they keep phantom loosening. Thinking about either shaving down the top bushing or using some loctite.

Also tempted to switch out to Indy conical bushings if anyone's tried it. They turn good but just stop deep into the turn and the wheels come off the ground.

If you’re on Ace Classics change the washers first. They’re thicker than pretty much all other washers and too small otherwise so the bushings might bulge over. Changing to more normal washers really frees up the turn.

If that doesn’t help you can cut down the top bushing like @Mbrimson88 suggested. I did so once on my really worn down 44 Classics where the kingpin nut had worn down to a wedge so thin it wouldn’t stay on anymore. You can get the trucks crazy loose that way. I tightened the trucks down until they felt similar to nut flush with the stock bushings and I didn’t notice any significant difference in the trucks other than the nut staying on until the trucks were ground to half.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 02, 2023, 07:01:47 AM
Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on May 02, 2023, 08:02:42 AM
Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
How much do you weigh? I'm like 59kg/130pounds and ace classics with the nut just fully engaged are insanely soft for anything other than just cruising. I'm at 1.5 threads showing and it's still turny but stable enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 02, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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How much do you weigh? I'm like 59kg/130pounds and ace classics with the nut just fully engaged are insanely soft for anything other than just cruising. I'm at 1.5 threads showing and it's still turny but stable enough.

I've never actually weighed myself but I'm a very slim built, average sized man. I'm coming from Indy's with conical 90a orange bushings so I'm trying to recreate that feeling. I used to only date bones but they always explode. I don't think I'm a massive fan of cylinder bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 02, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes


Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 02, 2023, 05:23:57 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.

By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.

I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).

My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 02, 2023, 06:51:23 PM
 I tried ace's for a bit around 2014 for a couple weeks and they had that bad axel slip at that time.  After skating thunders for years I decided to give them a try again as the new AF1s seem to have a lot of praise on here as well as what i've seen from lots of skaters.  i got the AF1 44

i had a session at my park today of just skating mostly flat and ledges and a quarter pipe and they worked so well! im not sure what it was but i had one of those sessions where you land damn near everything.

as far as adjusting them i didnt really change the bushings or anything else just tightened them a little.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ggau3bi.jpg)


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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 02, 2023, 07:12:00 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.
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By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.

I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).

My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.

This is not normal even with the stock washers I’d say. Nut is flush? Definitely change them out. I can get a bunch of wheelbite on Aces even with 50 mm wheels and 1/8” risers. Like I said earlier, the stock washers suck. They are too thick and cup the bushings too much. Like you’ve noticed, normal washers also have a more mellow “concave” (:D).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nopopnostyle on May 03, 2023, 10:03:53 AM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.
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By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.

I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).

My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.

I am interested and I think you're on to something here. I found the more the bottom washer cups the bushing, the earlier the lean of the hanger gets limited. Recently had bushing madness which led to trying different washers as well. Haven't tried Ace Washers but had the Problem you described with Indys and pretty soft Riptide Bushings. Their bottom washers are also thicker and cup the bushing more than the Indy washers. For me Indy washers solved the problem just right.

I also tried the small flat washers by Riptide and they allow even more lean, but are also a little thicker than the Indy washers, thus changing the geo of my Stage 11s. But since someone mentioned that Ace washers are also thicker, this might be interesting for you and other Ace Riders who want more lean without changing the geometry. If anyones interested I have calipers and could measure the Riptide washers thickness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on May 03, 2023, 03:13:30 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.
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By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.

I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).

My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.
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I am interested and I think you're on to something here. I found the more the bottom washer cups the bushing, the earlier the lean of the hanger gets limited. Recently had bushing madness which led to trying different washers as well. Haven't tried Ace Washers but had the Problem you described with Indys and pretty soft Riptide Bushings. Their bottom washers are also thicker and cup the bushing more than the Indy washers. For me Indy washers solved the problem just right.

I also tried the small flat washers by Riptide and they allow even more lean, but are also a little thicker than the Indy washers, thus changing the geo of my Stage 11s. But since someone mentioned that Ace washers are also thicker, this might be interesting for you and other Ace Riders who want more lean without changing the geometry. If anyones interested I have calipers and could measure the Riptide washers thickness.

Okay I'll definitely report back then. I've got some Indy washers and they look pretty nice as the cup isn't too severe. I'll try no washers first as I guess this is what a totally flat washer would feel like. Time for some severe madness haha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on May 03, 2023, 03:43:56 PM
Dog this washer talk makes me visualize u guys literally standing in the board riding and leaning to turn and getting off mid turn to inspect the washers.... I can't imagine the madness once you finally ride up to the object...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 03, 2023, 04:27:23 PM
Found this Ace rethreading nut at a curb spot the other day. Shit just comes right off.

(https://i.ibb.co/W6yf8Cy/IMG-4373.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W6yf8Cy)(https://i.ibb.co/dpGhtb6/IMG-4372.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpGhtb6)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2023, 05:58:37 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
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Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.

At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.


I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.

If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.
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By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.

I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).

My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.
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I am interested and I think you're on to something here. I found the more the bottom washer cups the bushing, the earlier the lean of the hanger gets limited. Recently had bushing madness which led to trying different washers as well. Haven't tried Ace Washers but had the Problem you described with Indys and pretty soft Riptide Bushings. Their bottom washers are also thicker and cup the bushing more than the Indy washers. For me Indy washers solved the problem just right.

I also tried the small flat washers by Riptide and they allow even more lean, but are also a little thicker than the Indy washers, thus changing the geo of my Stage 11s. But since someone mentioned that Ace washers are also thicker, this might be interesting for you and other Ace Riders who want more lean without changing the geometry. If anyones interested I have calipers and could measure the Riptide washers thickness.
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Okay I'll definitely report back then. I've got some Indy washers and they look pretty nice as the cup isn't too severe. I'll try no washers first as I guess this is what a totally flat washer would feel like. Time for some severe madness haha


Yes washers can definitely have a significant impact on things, so finding some good ones will help!




Found this Ace rethreading nut at a curb spot the other day. Shit just comes right off.



The most troublesome part of the Ace nuts is the nyloc seems to lose the lock very easily, when compared to normal nuts, from what others have said, so any Ace AF1 trucks I have come through my hands, I have taken the nuts off to put aside in the "Wonders of the modern world" box and put normal ones on and had no issues.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 13, 2023, 09:08:07 AM
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Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.

These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.

I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 13, 2023, 11:08:36 AM
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Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.

These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.

I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for

Damn, hell yea. Idk they made these for lows. They were a game changer on the reg height for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on May 13, 2023, 11:37:29 AM
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Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.

These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.

I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for
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Damn, hell yea. Idk they made these for lows. They were a game changer on the reg height for sure.

Got them in mine as well, they seriously did the trick, yea it was hard setting up tricks until I switched them out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 13, 2023, 01:24:43 PM
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Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.

These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.

I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for

I’m only like 140 lbs., and I felt the same way as soon as I got these. They are the best, especially in the Lows. I don’t mind the stock bushings in the Ace Highs, but the way the hard bushings turn when you go flush/just have a little tension is exactly how you described it; still get 90% of the Ace turn and feel, but a lot more control, and they do a really good job chilling out the wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on May 13, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
I tried ace's for a bit around 2014 for a couple weeks and they had that bad axel slip at that time.  After skating thunders for years I decided to give them a try again as the new AF1s seem to have a lot of praise on here as well as what i've seen from lots of skaters.  i got the AF1 44

i had a session at my park today of just skating mostly flat and ledges and a quarter pipe and they worked so well! im not sure what it was but i had one of those sessions where you land damn near everything.

as far as adjusting them i didnt really change the bushings or anything else just tightened them a little.

Hell yeah thats wassup. I had similar experience kinda- af144 was my first new truck in ages and I was really bummed to have to break in a new pair of trucks. lo and behold it was painless and I barely even felt a 'breaking in' period with them besides just not having grooves. Turned so good for me from the jump and weren't difficult to get used to at all. Pretty koo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on May 17, 2023, 09:41:07 PM
Retired my 159s and sized down to some 44 classix. I like the way they skate, really responsive turning. Im dedicating time to learn to have a good and comfortable switch push and cruise, so pushing like a mile or more to get a coffee or something. Its brutal and my weight distribution is kinda all over the place, these 44s however make it feel easier than my 159s. Smaller trucks that feel more balanced but also seem to engage in sharp turns faster.

These stock bushings are still too squeaky though  :-\

But they grind nice and feel good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: modern life is war on May 28, 2023, 03:06:30 PM
Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.

Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 28, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.

Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.

The ace classics use a softer alloy on the hanger, lots of people like it and describe the grind as "buttery" but I think it feels slow too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 28, 2023, 03:10:44 PM
Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.

I'm currently on Ace, but I don't find that the difference between Ace and Indy is particularly noticeable, especially when I switch to my Indys with Ace bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Puddy Smally on May 28, 2023, 03:33:38 PM
I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on May 28, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.

they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on May 28, 2023, 07:17:19 PM
Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.

Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.

Ever since they widened the V on the classics in the middle of the hanger in their version 3, it made them turn different. I think it adds more of a stable feeling at the cost of them having crazy responsiveness with the slightest move, which I personally love and prefer. Not to say they aren’t turny, they definitely still are, there is still very much responsiveness but man those version 1’s with the skinny hangers that bent were nuts. That’s what got me for life when I stepped on them in like…2013 or around there. The turning just totally killed Indy. I still look for them on eBay. If I would have known, I’d have bought enough sets to last me forever. I also think they looked the best out of all, including the AF1’s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on May 28, 2023, 09:20:12 PM
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Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.

Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.
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Ever since they widened the V on the classics in the middle of the hanger in their version 3, it made them turn different. I think it adds more of a stable feeling at the cost of them having crazy responsiveness with the slightest move, which I personally love and prefer. Not to say they aren’t turny, they definitely still are, there is still very much responsiveness but man those version 1’s with the skinny hangers that bent were nuts. That’s what got me for life when I stepped on them in like…2013 or around there. The turning just totally killed Indy. I still look for them on eBay. If I would have known, I’d have bought enough sets to last me forever. I also think they looked the best out of all, including the AF1’s.

i only rode the 33s, right when they came out, and then for the next several years off and on. i don’t think i tried 44s till about 10 years ago.
correct, the older skinnier ones looked the best. as good as any truck ever, to me. the only competition, totally subjective, would be a certain era of ventures, that i like just a bit more. but if Pupecki and Shao had ridden ace i dunno.

i can’t get the ace classic 55s out of my head, and that i like them makes no sense
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on May 28, 2023, 09:23:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wf89jze.jpg)

Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.

These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.

I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for

I'm slightly over 171 pounds and prefer the hard bushings. I skate the standard height Af1s. These helped with getting a more consistent pop because they provide more stability but still have an excellent carve I need when cruising at fast speed. I didn't like that I had to to tighten my trucks so much with the regular bushings so definitely recommend these who need more stability but dont want to sacrifice the turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on May 28, 2023, 10:02:42 PM
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I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.
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they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada
The only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on May 29, 2023, 03:56:02 AM
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I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.
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they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada
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The only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?

$95 CAD equals to a little under $70 US.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on May 29, 2023, 05:18:44 AM
A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on May 29, 2023, 06:56:33 AM
A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.

I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 29, 2023, 08:14:32 AM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.

I feel like I’m in the minority but I really can’t get behind the AF1 grind. I’ll need to try some classics at some point
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 29, 2023, 11:50:59 AM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.

Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: modern life is war on May 29, 2023, 01:42:08 PM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
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Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.

Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?

The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on May 29, 2023, 04:34:52 PM
so, there's samples of size 80s Ace currently in testing? 10inch as heard on Fos Nine Club
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on May 29, 2023, 05:23:13 PM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
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Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
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Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?

The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks

Nah, they grinded slower on just about everything.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on May 29, 2023, 08:30:59 PM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
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Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
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Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?

The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks
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Nah, they grinded slower on just about everything.
Agree: they feel like there’s peanut butter on the hanger, or the ledge/curb/coping. I did NOT like it at first, but I’ve grown to enjoy the softer feel of the grind.
I regularly switch between AF1s, Classics & Stage 11s in any given session & I like them all for their own reasons, but that classic grind just feels slower than the Indys and AF1s to me.
Metallurgy… Meh.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on May 29, 2023, 10:09:51 PM
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I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.
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they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada
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The only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?
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$95 CAD equals to a little under $70 US.
Welp. I’m a moron. My bad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Puddy Smally on June 01, 2023, 09:00:29 AM
ToA collab is live.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GBLange on June 01, 2023, 07:18:56 PM
ToA collab is live.

🔥🔥🔥🤟🔥🔥🔥
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 01, 2023, 09:48:21 PM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
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Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
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Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?

The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks
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Nah, they grinded slower on just about everything.

My first pair of AF1s had a real sticky feeling grind. I ended up giving them away and going back to Indy’s. I was missing the Ace turn, so I gave them another try and this set grinds so much better. There’s a mix of people on here who say the grind is great vs not great. Either they changed the metal and you got an older set, or the metal is just inconsistent. With Ace’s track record of QC, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just inconsistent
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chronicbackpain on June 02, 2023, 04:56:04 AM
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ToA collab is live.
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in stock at Orchard and Kinetic

Edit:
303 has them for $60/set instead of ~$75.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shpongle on June 08, 2023, 07:38:55 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/JsCR7Pw/9-AC415-A1-F3-F6-4-B24-A700-2997016-F78-F7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mcSCq7V)

new size af1 80 trucks… anyone know what size these are??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 08, 2023, 08:17:48 AM
Right now, they max out trucks at 9.5". I imagine that this is their 10" competitor to the Indy 215, but that's pure speculation.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 08, 2023, 08:36:40 AM
Yeah they're 10". Still haven't seen the new 10" thunders anywhere, maybe these will take over the big boy market. However big that market is, never seen anybody skate 215s in person
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 08, 2023, 08:50:32 AM
I am really tempted to get some aces for my shapes 9.25. I have two sets of Indy and a set of Venture. Kinda wanna branch out but need something big enough for the phattie to justify the purchase
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on June 08, 2023, 10:37:40 AM
Yeah they're 10". Still haven't seen the new 10" thunders anywhere, maybe these will take over the big boy market. However big that market is, never seen anybody skate 215s in person

i skate my friends board quite a bit that is like a 10.5" Madness with 215s. its really fun as a cruiser. he has Ricta clouds on it but I would love to ride it with Super Juices instead.

for some spots they dont work that welll.. for example if you have a curb with grass on the other side, the truck will just eat the entire thing, and you will lose all your speed. so youd need like double the effort of bricking + lacquering and probably digging out the other side a bit to make it work for more than 1 ft grinds. also the wheels kinda get in the way when you are trying to get out of the grind like that.you kinda gotta get out in 2 stages as a result.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 08, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
i was on thunders for a decade and made the switch to AF1 44's and i love them. i skate mostly a skatepark and plaza's with good ledges so i dont skate many concrete ledges. they grind and turn well. the added height coming from thunders is also nice

i did have to add the ace hard bushings and just got the theories x ace 44's!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 12, 2023, 11:42:29 AM
Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 13, 2023, 12:31:33 AM
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A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
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I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
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Every truck has their pros/cons

Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.

AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.

Then thunder

Venture last

I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.

However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.

Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
For sure Films get the last place, those things are made of play doh, grind is awful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 13, 2023, 07:30:40 AM
Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.

I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on June 13, 2023, 09:16:02 AM
What’s up with those bones-esque fuel duro bushings that fuckwithyourtrucks posted a while back? Anyone know when they’re coming out or get a sample set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on June 13, 2023, 09:18:25 AM
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Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
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I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment  and overall feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jawn Gyatti on June 13, 2023, 09:31:37 AM
Whats up with the ToA collab truck only having a ToA logo on the axle?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 13, 2023, 02:29:21 PM
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Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
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I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
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no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment  and overall feel

Been running 1/8" risers for many years even with smaller 54mm wheels. I lost a lot of weight since but always riding loose trucks I needed them. I run 56-60mm wheels these days and it's manageable on 1/8" risers with not so bad wheelbite but I just got curious to try the 1/4". Mellow decks, 13.75-14.25 wheelbases. I can't explain it but I literally feel the same stability and I haven't had any issues with ghost pop, when I definitely thought one or both would happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 13, 2023, 10:36:44 PM
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Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
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I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
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no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment  and overall feel
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Been running 1/8" risers for many years even with smaller 54mm wheels. I lost a lot of weight since but always riding loose trucks I needed them. I run 56-60mm wheels these days and it's manageable on 1/8" risers with not so bad wheelbite but I just got curious to try the 1/4". Mellow decks, 13.75-14.25 wheelbases. I can't explain it but I literally feel the same stability and I haven't had any issues with ghost pop, when I definitely thought one or both would happen.

For me risers with Aces actually help the pop. I use 1/8” risers in pretty much all my setups. Wheels I use from 54 to 60 mm and change them out when they’re at 50 mm so essentially 50-60 mm. Maybe I could try the 1/4” risers if I happen to have a deck with a long tail.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 14, 2023, 04:58:13 AM
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Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!

I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
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I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
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no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment  and overall feel
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Been running 1/8" risers for many years even with smaller 54mm wheels. I lost a lot of weight since but always riding loose trucks I needed them. I run 56-60mm wheels these days and it's manageable on 1/8" risers with not so bad wheelbite but I just got curious to try the 1/4". Mellow decks, 13.75-14.25 wheelbases. I can't explain it but I literally feel the same stability and I haven't had any issues with ghost pop, when I definitely thought one or both would happen.
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For me risers with Aces actually help the pop. I use 1/8” risers in pretty much all my setups. Wheels I use from 54 to 60 mm and change them out when they’re at 50 mm so essentially 50-60 mm. Maybe I could try the 1/4” risers if I happen to have a deck with a long tail.

Same, I've pretty much always had to put risers on aces for them to feel good. 1/16th or 1/8th though.

The exception was this palace board I skated recently with these SUPER steep kicks. That worked better without risers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 14, 2023, 05:53:12 AM
Going back to Ace Classics all of a sudden after a while on Indys really f*cked up my ollie. I don't know if it's just the shorter wheelbase or something else on top of that, but my pop felt terrible for a while. Maybe risers could help with this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2023, 06:05:44 AM
Going back to Ace Classics all of a sudden after a while on Indys really f*cked up my ollie. I don't know if it's just the shorter wheelbase or something else on top of that, but my pop felt terrible for a while. Maybe risers could help with this.

I just moved from Ace to some old Indys I had forgotten about, and in combination with a new deck, my ollie is markedly higher. Last weekend, I felt like I was ollieing like a 12 year who first learned how, and yesterday with the new deck and trucks, I had my pop, and had no problem tucking my back knee. I think it was probably a combination of factors, but pushing the wheelbase in so close wasn't helping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 14, 2023, 06:46:58 AM
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Going back to Ace Classics all of a sudden after a while on Indys really f*cked up my ollie. I don't know if it's just the shorter wheelbase or something else on top of that, but my pop felt terrible for a while. Maybe risers could help with this.
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I just moved from Ace to some old Indys I had forgotten about, and in combination with a new deck, my ollie is markedly higher. Last weekend, I felt like I was ollieing like a 12 year who first learned how, and yesterday with the new deck and trucks, I had my pop, and had no problem tucking my back knee. I think it was probably a combination of factors, but pushing the wheelbase in so close wasn't helping.

there are too many factors, for me, to determine why i don’t get consistent pop, with ace. i’ve had great pop on some ace setups. almost all of the setups that worked well, had 14” wb, some had much taller wheels than i’d usually prefer. the best scenario was those things, plus a girl board (can’t think of the number but it’s the one that is an 8.25, but tapers down to almost 8 at the back truck), that was fairly flat, and had lots of ‘fingers of flat’: the pop was significant, and the setup flipped really well (44 classics and 56 conical fulls). looked dumb as shit.
ace classic 55s had easily the best pop for me. here’s where i ratchet up my dipshittery: i swear those had a different geo. something was ‘different’, they were not as loosey goosey as the 33s/44s, bushings always seemed stiffer, which i preferred by quite aways, and the key part in my tinfoil toque theory was that a skate key barely fit into the kingpin nut. both those things were excellent and i loved the pop. i just got bummed because my setup was too big.
i’m sorry to anyone that’s read this.

indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.

when ace riding i need to adjust my popping foot deeper into the pocket, away from the tips, to get them to pop decently…and i just don’t prefer it.
none of this is interesting, except that as an old, a time where i leave the notion of ‘pop’ behind, is approaching. And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2023, 07:15:24 AM
And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.

Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.

And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good

I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.

Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on June 14, 2023, 07:58:16 AM
after skating ace for awhile and hearing your guys experience, i can actually see why people would want really steep kicks with aces for this reason. ben de gros mentioned it in the episode he set up rails on a curb board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 14, 2023, 08:30:33 AM
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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.
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Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.

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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good
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I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.

Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.

I tested the theory recently by putting Ace bushings in some stage 11's and there is definitely a certain trigger and responsiveness missing from those compared to the Ace geometry. They might both be able to get the same depth of turn depending on the wheel size and if you're using risers but there's a slalom level of twitch I can get into on some Ace's, while the Indy's were just a more boring and mellow feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on June 14, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.
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Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.

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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good
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I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.

Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
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I tested the theory recently by putting Ace bushings in some stage 11's and there is definitely a certain trigger and responsiveness missing from those compared to the Ace geometry. They might both be able to get the same depth of turn depending on the wheel size and if you're using risers but there's a slalom level of twitch I can get into on some Ace's, while the Indy's were just a more boring and mellow feel.

did you shave the bushings down? I tried to do this and there was no way in hell the Ace bushings were fitting into the Indy. I tried it the other way around (indy bushing in an ace truck) and i do not recommend that either.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 14, 2023, 08:50:38 AM
Ace standard bottoms fit fine but yeah you need low tops, which I have. Sorry, didn't specify that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on June 14, 2023, 10:42:16 AM
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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.
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Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.

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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good
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I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.

Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
good assessments, was a good read on this page 👍
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 14, 2023, 07:13:11 PM
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And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.
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Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.

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I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.

Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
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good assessments, was a good read on this page 👍


It's funny, but I skate Indy Stage 11 (149s mainly now, but also have 144s, 159s and 169s on boards) with some of them stock bushings, but most of them set up with the aftermarket low 92 duro bushings that allow for a lot of turn, but still have a little more stiffness than stock bushings, pretty much the multiple setups that perform the same in the truck department anyway.

After having a few sessions on the Ace trucks, also on the same boards as I usually ride (yes I set up more completes just for this experiment), also adjusted to pretty much just how I like them, enough turn but not too loose, on their stock bushings, and everything felt good in how the trucks responded, both the Ace Classic and AF1 versions at different times, which felt comfortable and easy to ride.

Then to go back to my normal other boards on Indy and I almost felt like I was skating Ventures on train tracks, in that I would lean a little (as I usually do) but the board just didn't turn as well on Indy as it did on the Ace trucks.  Took a whole session after the Ace truck boards to get back to "normal" on my Indy trucks, which was a big surprise.

I have other boards with Thunder, Venture and other trucks too, mainly for others to try at the indoor park, but also for the interest in seeing how the different trucks / parts work.


How a truck is set up really makes a difference too, because I could put slightly taller softer bottom bushings in Ventures and they turned a whole lot more than they usually do on stock or regular height bushings, but still not as much as the others.

The Ace truck definitely works really well for the turning aspect, regardless of which bushings you have in there, but at least there are Ace stock, aftermarket hard and low bushing options too, just to mix and match if needed.

I like that about the brand as well.




Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on June 14, 2023, 09:17:13 PM
What did you say after all that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 14, 2023, 10:00:23 PM
What did you say after all that?


Ha yeah, sometimes I re read my posts and think I am a bit out there...

Here goes:


Ace trucks turn way more quickly than Indy.  * And everything else too.

It is possible however to change how much a truck does or does not turn by changing the height of the bushings, eg put a taller bottom bushing in any other truck and they will turn more quickly, as per the taller height of the Ace bottom bushing and the taller red bushings in the Indy Stage 4 reissue trucks.


That should be a bit better anyway.

:)



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 14, 2023, 10:55:36 PM
Like someone here posted earlier, Indys turn really well.

I was on the Ace turn bandwagon for a while, and while they're admittedly great for that, after getting a pair of new Indys I realized they turn f*cking awesome with the stock orange bushings. In a nutshell: I get all the turn I need from Indys these days, with the added stability for pop etc. that Aces don't provide for me personally, opinions of course differ.

Don't get me wrong, I love Aces, but I think I'll only fully switch back to them once I'm like 75 yrs old and can't ollie for shit anymore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on June 15, 2023, 06:41:29 AM
one of my friends says he feels like Ace bushings kind of absord the impact of higher up landings a bit and I think I have heard someone else say that here as well. It is in a bad way that kind of causes you to wheel bite. but thats why the turning feels so sick and cushion-like. I cant say I skate stuff like this too much, but I dropped in on a hubba recently and experienced it for myself :) But during normal skating, I never actually feel afraid of wheel biting on them and I ride pretty big conical full f4 54mm. It is pretty close to stock setting for tightness.

I kinda feel like Indys get "Squirrley" after awhile and the bushings dont even need to be particularly old. When they are new I feel like its actually quite stable. But when I am pushing up at high speeds it feels very wobbly compared to Ace, unless I tighten them up. Again I think this comes down to the bushings and height of them as well which is what I think mr. Brimson was saying. I would say Indys work better as a slightly tighter truck. They work better than Aces as a tighter truck 100%. Don't buy Aces if you want tight trucks imo...

I don't think Jaws would want Aces, but Penny could (and does) and he jumps down some pretty big stuff even still. I think Reynolds or Joslin could use them better than Indys!! I imagine some of those guys probably feel more stressed out about switching any of their gear than any of us ever could be when it comes to their careers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 15, 2023, 06:49:11 AM
Like someone here posted earlier, Indys turn really well.

I was on the Ace turn bandwagon for a while, and while they're admittedly great for that, after getting a pair of new Indys I realized they turn f*cking awesome with the stock orange bushings. In a nutshell: I get all the turn I need from Indys these days, with the added stability for pop etc. that Aces don't provide for me personally, opinions of course differ.

Don't get me wrong, I love Aces, but I think I'll only fully switch back to them once I'm like 75 yrs old and can't ollie for shit anymore.

These are my feelings exactly. The Ace are a great truck and I'll probably be back skating them in the future (the pair I put away has plenty of life left in them), but there are certain things about skating which they make harder for me, so if Indys give me 90% of the turn and 50% more stability for flip tricks, I have to say I prefer Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: modern life is war on June 19, 2023, 08:18:31 AM
Well I don't think I'll buy Ace classics again. I was wrong when I said they grind fine on steel coping... they're grippy as hell. I think I was just experiencing that brand new truck feel where they are slick and grind anything.

Love the turn but if I can get the Indy grind with the ace turn in the form of Indy stage 4s... Well that's just what i'm going to do next time. Hopefully they are still available in a few months.

I'll probably put these aces on my slappy board and see how quickly I can axle them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 19, 2023, 09:24:01 AM
one of my friends says he feels like Ace bushings kind of absord the impact of higher up landings a bit and I think I have heard someone else say that here as well. It is in a bad way that kind of causes you to wheel bite. but thats why the turning feels so sick and cushion-like. I cant say I skate stuff like this too much, but I dropped in on a hubba recently and experienced it for myself :) But during normal skating, I never actually feel afraid of wheel biting on them and I ride pretty big conical full f4 54mm. It is pretty close to stock setting for tightness.

I kinda feel like Indys get "Squirrley" after awhile and the bushings dont even need to be particularly old. When they are new I feel like its actually quite stable. But when I am pushing up at high speeds it feels very wobbly compared to Ace, unless I tighten them up. Again I think this comes down to the bushings and height of them as well which is what I think mr. Brimson was saying. I would say Indys work better as a slightly tighter truck. They work better than Aces as a tighter truck 100%. Don't buy Aces if you want tight trucks imo...

I don't think Jaws would want Aces, but Penny could (and does) and he jumps down some pretty big stuff even still. I think Reynolds or Joslin could use them better than Indys!! I imagine some of those guys probably feel more stressed out about switching any of their gear than any of us ever could be when it comes to their careers.


this is a perfect example of how/why i use slap, cuz i can just fire of some real half-baked extremely kooky opinions, and then just get back to putting the groceries in the basket, or whatever.
here’s my half-baked fully fried:

joslin skated better on venture lo’s


i’m in the wrong thread, making a strong assertion about a skater i don’t really care for, off topic, just totally out there. you are all welcome
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 19, 2023, 01:52:20 PM
i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on June 19, 2023, 05:07:22 PM
i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only Riptide fit for AF-1s. (other than the Ace af-1 pivots themselves)

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/ace-af-1-pivot-cups/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 19, 2023, 08:45:15 PM
Nope, RIPtides do it too. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as an aftermarket option but their stock pivot cups ever since they moved to China are like indestructibly hard plastic and they fit AF1's perfectly fine. They will not fit classics though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on June 19, 2023, 08:49:07 PM
Had riptides in 55 classics. Was awesome. Didn’t exactly mash them into curbs either tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 20, 2023, 03:05:30 AM
ace really have the best customer support and warranty, sent me out new af1 hollow 66s next day because of the pivot cup issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 20, 2023, 08:32:59 AM
ace really have the best customer support and warranty, sent me out new af1 hollow 66s next day because of the pivot cup issue

Yeah, they were great to me. I emailed about some crusty Classics where the hangers were bent and they let me pick out a new set of AF-1s, which arrived in a few days with a baggy full of stickers. The communication was clear and easy in a way that it so rarely is with anything else. Made me a big fan of the company, insofar as how it's run and managed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 20, 2023, 08:43:40 AM
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ace really have the best customer support and warranty, sent me out new af1 hollow 66s next day because of the pivot cup issue
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Yeah, they were great to me. I emailed about some crusty Classics where the hangers were bent and they let me pick out a new set of AF-1s, which arrived in a few days with a baggy full of stickers. The communication was clear and easy in a way that it so rarely is with anything else. Made me a big fan of the company, insofar as how it's run and managed.
That's super cool, I wanted to get some 55 classics but I was afraid of axle issues. Now I can get them without further worries.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Easy Slider on June 20, 2023, 11:42:17 AM
On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?

Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.

I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 20, 2023, 12:18:14 PM
On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?

Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.

I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?

Not sure why the turn would suck, I've never ridden an ace where that was the case.

If they are classics, they will grind slower and not as far as you are used to on your indys. softer hanger alloy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gunot on June 20, 2023, 01:10:17 PM
i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)

Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on June 20, 2023, 09:16:52 PM
On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?

Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.

I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?

If they’re Classics, change the washers. The stock ones are thick and too small. This has been an issue for me on almost all my Classics. Surprisingly though one set was ok with the stock washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 21, 2023, 01:25:40 AM
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i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
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Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.

I'm going to try indy cups if they blow out again on the new pair i got sent, the standard af1s never had this problem for me but they must have changed something with the hollows i think and they don't seem to come greased anymore like the standards did
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on June 21, 2023, 02:38:03 AM
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i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
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Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.

Anytime this has happened to me, the majority of the pivot cup is in tact and it’s just the upper edge that kind of frays. Changing them out isn’t really necessary.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2023, 05:37:08 AM
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i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
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Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.
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Anytime this has happened to me, the majority of the pivot cup is in tact and it’s just the upper edge that kind of frays. Changing them out isn’t really necessary.


i agree with this, and taking it further, bushings as well. several brands (thunder especially) seem to have disintegrating bushings, and then….it just doesn’t really make a difference for me either way.

back to pivots, i replaced (ripped out and ruined) the somewhat silly stick ace pivot cups in my set of af1s, and replaced them with some nos, really hard, bright orange plastic cups: they don’t fit well, and the pivot just slops around in there, i honestly cannot tell which is more annoying.

took a really old board, that i’ve kept
for nostalgic reasons, and put some old ace 33s with 56 radial fulls on it. i was pleasantly reminded at how much wheel the classics can handle, without a riser, and still being able to turn. my regular setup is lo ventures with 52s, not a lot of turning. the truck height is around 48 mm to the wheels 52mm, where as this cruising setup with the ace had 52mm truck height, to 56mm wheel height (same diff), dramatically more turn. and the pop on the aces seems to work way. entree for me, with a bigger wheel. it’s still not my shit, but it felt pretty rad to skate down crap roads without coming to an unexpected stop.
sadly, metallica didn’t start playing, and the equipment did not imbue any switch wallie skills, or the like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: modern life is war on June 21, 2023, 07:31:22 AM
I tried a friend's board that had AF1s instead of classics on it and WOW the difference in grind is insane, AF1s feel hard and icy like indys, classics feel so soft in comparison. Bummed I didn't just buy AF1s now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Easy Slider on June 21, 2023, 11:35:23 AM
I tried a friend's board that had AF1s instead of classics on it and WOW the difference in grind is insane, AF1s feel hard and icy like indys, classics feel so soft in comparison. Bummed I didn't just buy AF1s now.

Same
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2023, 04:23:28 PM
as a plus, for the classics, if you are skating some brutal, old crust, the classics seemed to do ok for me. but, and unfortunately i need to make this clear: i cannot really do grinds, as everyone knows, front 50/50s don’t count (in the streets, and i’m terrified of transition).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 21, 2023, 08:47:40 PM
Set up a rain/slappy deck today with a set of 55 classics. I only cruised around a little (it’s dark and drizzling) but WOW. I left the trucks exactly how they came. I feel almost as sturdy on center as with my ventures, but when I want to turn goddamn can I turn. Nice and carvy like Indy, but if I really put my weight behind a back bolt I get this super tight turn. These are amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 21, 2023, 09:24:09 PM
Set up a rain/slappy deck today with a set of 55 classics. I only cruised around a little (it’s dark and drizzling) but WOW. I left the trucks exactly how they came. I feel almost as sturdy on center as with my ventures, but when I want to turn goddamn can I turn. Nice and carvy like Indy, but if I really put my weight behind a back bolt I get this super tight turn. These are amazing.

Love to read it. Take off the top washers to get them even more rad 8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 22, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 22, 2023, 01:17:36 PM
first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)

Did you change anything from stock? No bottom washer, different bushings or something like that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boneless900 on June 22, 2023, 03:23:33 PM
first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)

My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.

First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 22, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
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Did you change anything from stock? No bottom washer, different bushings or something like that?
nope completely stock, i didn't even tighten the trucks and I'm 70kg it has been hot weather in the uk so idk if that effects the urethane making the pivot cups blow out really fast, i skated the standard af1 during the winter and didn't have any problem
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on June 23, 2023, 12:20:54 AM
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
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Did you change anything from stock? No bottom washer, different bushings or something like that?
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nope completely stock, i didn't even tighten the trucks and I'm 70kg it has been hot weather in the uk so idk if that effects the urethane making the pivot cups blow out really fast, i skated the standard af1 during the winter and didn't have any problem
Fore sure weather is a factor. I always have a hard time readjusting my skating from Winter to Summer time. It sucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 23, 2023, 10:45:55 AM
Interesting idea ACE is doing where you can pick the hanger , baseplate and bushings;


www.instagram.com/p/Ct1vjXMp_oW/


https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on June 23, 2023, 11:04:30 AM
Nice so I could turn my 44 af1 lows to either regular af1s or move the hanger down to a 33
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 23, 2023, 11:05:17 AM
Interesting idea ACE is doing where you can pick the hanger , baseplate and bushings;


www.instagram.com/p/Ct1vjXMp_oW/


https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop

They teased this last year, and yeah I think it's a great fucking idea. I can't believe that more truck companies don't offer at least the various anodized colors like Ace does. I'm skating Indy now and I would love it if I could buy some 144s in cool anodized colors. They did a weird green one for Hawk, but Ace is smart to not limit this to one-offs and make these production items.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 23, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.

First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back

I once used the Krux pivot cups on an old set of Aces. I used a razor blade to cut the cup flush with the baseplate and didn’t have any issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 23, 2023, 04:44:58 PM
Maybe a dumb question, but if I try ace low bushings will it change the height/geo of the trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 23, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
Maybe a dumb question, but if I try ace low bushings will it change the height/geo of the trucks?

If the bottom bushing is a different height than stock, it will change the height/geo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 23, 2023, 05:20:31 PM
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.

First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back
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I once used the Krux pivot cups on an old set of Aces. I used a razor blade to cut the cup flush with the baseplate and didn’t have any issues.
do you know if indy pivot cups fit flush?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 23, 2023, 09:40:23 PM
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.

(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.

First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back
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I once used the Krux pivot cups on an old set of Aces. I used a razor blade to cut the cup flush with the baseplate and didn’t have any issues.
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do you know if indy pivot cups fit flush?

I believe Indy pivot cups fit AF1s but not classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on June 24, 2023, 05:36:03 AM
Nope, RIPtides do it too. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as an aftermarket option but their stock pivot cups ever since they moved to China are like indestructibly hard plastic and they fit AF1's perfectly fine. They will not fit classics though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on June 24, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
Looks like Tershay is well aware of the problems of naming the 10-inch truck ‘88s’, and is going against their regular naming conventions and calling them ‘80s’.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2023, 06:08:06 AM
Custom truck program is rad.

Huge points for ace here, from all the gear nuts like myself anyways.

Would be sick to see other companies follow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on June 24, 2023, 06:55:50 AM
I agree, really cool option. Even the bushing hardness option is a huge win
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IpathCats on June 24, 2023, 07:20:18 AM
I agree, really cool option. Even the bushing hardness option is a huge win

I feel like the hard bushings are mandatory for full grown adults.

I know that's just my personal taste but they really made my AF1s so much better for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 24, 2023, 11:33:16 AM
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I agree, really cool option. Even the bushing hardness option is a huge win
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I feel like the hard bushings are mandatory for full grown adults.

I know that's just my personal taste but they really made my AF1s so much better for me

I was gonna get the bones mediums at ValSurf but the guy working told me to use the stock Ace's and if i dont like them get the Ace Hards which I did and they're amazing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 24, 2023, 12:44:36 PM
Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scottboarding on June 24, 2023, 01:37:22 PM
Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.
Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 24, 2023, 04:25:10 PM
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Nope, RIPtides do it too. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as an aftermarket option but their stock pivot cups ever since they moved to China are like indestructibly hard plastic and they fit AF1's perfectly fine. They will not fit classics though.
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did you notice it change how they turned compared to the soft ace cups?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hiljentaa on June 24, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
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Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.
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Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop

https://shop.ccs.com/collections/jts-chop-shop?_pos=1&_psq=Jt&_ss=e&_v=1.0

CCS also has some of this stuff available.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2023, 06:35:39 PM
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Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.
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Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
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https://shop.ccs.com/collections/jts-chop-shop?_pos=1&_psq=Jt&_ss=e&_v=1.0

CCS also has some of this stuff available.


What I immediately see with that is you can buy just a hanger or just a baseplate if needed.

That is probably the main thing with the parts that really could make things way more interesting, as I have often pulled apart brand new trucks for people over the years, more often if someone breaks something, it is out of warranty, but they want to keep riding that setup, without getting a whole new set of trucks, so they just get a single hanger, or baseplate and can keep going with the rest of whatever they have.

I have only done it with Standard trucks, no colourways or special editions, but over the years I have ended up with a whole lot of singles of various things and they have come in handy for helping people with this and that.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 25, 2023, 01:53:59 AM
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Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.
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Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
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https://shop.ccs.com/collections/jts-chop-shop?_pos=1&_psq=Jt&_ss=e&_v=1.0

CCS also has some of this stuff available.
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What I immediately see with that is you can buy just a hanger or just a baseplate if needed.

That is probably the main thing with the parts that really could make things way more interesting, as I have often pulled apart brand new trucks for people over the years, more often if someone breaks something, it is out of warranty, but they want to keep riding that setup, without getting a whole new set of trucks, so they just get a single hanger, or baseplate and can keep going with the rest of whatever they have.

I have only done it with Standard trucks, no colourways or special editions, but over the years I have ended up with a whole lot of singles of various things and they have come in handy for helping people with this and that.

As someone who likes to fuck around and find out/mix and match, this is like a fever dream for me. That I found out about it after getting my first pair of aces and seriously considering switching over all my setups as my Indy/Ventures wear out is an odd coincidence.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on June 25, 2023, 06:29:22 AM
Just to make sure, I can order the af1 low baseplate and use my regular af1 hanger?.
Running lows on my regular board and I want to try on my egg
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on June 25, 2023, 07:18:08 AM
Just to make sure, I can order the af1 low baseplate and use my regular af1 hanger?.
Running lows on my regular board and I want to try on my egg
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on June 25, 2023, 07:26:16 AM
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Just to make sure, I can order the af1 low baseplate and use my regular af1 hanger?.
Running lows on my regular board and I want to try on my egg
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Oh boy… thanks. Ordering now since I’m pretty sure I got a mesa code in my email
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on June 25, 2023, 08:20:39 AM
No hollow af1 hangers? Anybody know if they’ll start selling those individually? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on June 25, 2023, 02:28:38 PM
No hollow af1 hangers? Anybody know if they’ll start selling those individually? 


idk, hollows have only come in silver and the Theories colorway so far. hope that changes, i would love some purple hollow baseplates.


also would like to see just hard top bushings for sale.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 27, 2023, 06:38:17 AM
indy pivot cups are slightly too small for aces

(https://i.ibb.co/wK9bY5r/IMG-20230627-143618.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y8wMVHB)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boneless900 on June 27, 2023, 06:53:47 AM
indy pivot cups are slightly too small for aces

(https://i.ibb.co/wK9bY5r/IMG-20230627-143618.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y8wMVHB)

The white Krux pivot cups replacements I put in my af1s have been holding up well after ~3 slappy sessions. there's no wiggle room or deformation that I'm seeing so the hanger still fits snug.

The Krux plastic is much harder than the ace cups so maybe that might hold up better for you if you need another option. I've seen people recommend riptide cups here quite a bit but I've never tried em so I can speak on that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 27, 2023, 06:58:36 AM
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indy pivot cups are slightly too small for aces

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The white Krux pivot cups replacements I put in my af1s have been holding up well after ~3 slappy sessions. there's no wiggle room or deformation that I'm seeing so the hanger still fits snug.

The Krux plastic is much harder than the ace cups so maybe that might hold up better for you if you need another option. I've seen people recommend riptide cups here quite a bit but I've never tried em so I can speak on that.
i wanna try riptide but hard to get them in the uk without expensive shipping, the indy cups skate alright tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 28, 2023, 04:15:34 AM
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: scab on June 28, 2023, 05:22:52 AM
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions

I'd say mine got maybe slightly harder, but not by a meaningful degree.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 28, 2023, 08:30:36 AM
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does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions
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I'd say mine got maybe slightly harder, but not by a meaningful degree.

Yup, they keep feeling great, no need to crank down the kingpin nut too much even after months of skating. Although I've gone back to Indys for the time being, I still think the Ace hards are among the best bushings ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 28, 2023, 08:55:25 AM
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions

Very little change. Maybe just a bit looser on centre, and a bit firmer before wheelbite, but that's pretty normal for a bushing compressing down a bit. They're really good bushings, not very sensitive to temperature either, they don't feel that much different from 40⁰ to 90⁰.

Agree with you on the stock bushings, I have them on a cruiser setup and they went from almost unskatetable wet noodles to barely skateable, twitchy but fun.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on June 28, 2023, 09:14:34 AM
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions

I use them on my cruiser and no significant difference after two months of use but I would ssay they feel even better now. They actually feel just perfect now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 28, 2023, 04:15:18 PM
think if they made some bushings with a 89a bottom/ 94a top that would be perfect for me, having 2 94a bushings feel too tight i was hoping they would get looser like bones hards eventually feel like new mediums
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iw0 on June 28, 2023, 04:48:55 PM
think if they made some bushings with a 89a bottom/ 94a top that would be perfect for me, having 2 94a bushings feel too tight i was hoping they would get looser like bones hards eventually feel like new mediums

could just replace the top bushings with hard tops and have 86a/94a
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 28, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
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think if they made some bushings with a 89a bottom/ 94a top that would be perfect for me, having 2 94a bushings feel too tight i was hoping they would get looser like bones hards eventually feel like new mediums
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could just replace the top bushings with hard tops and have 86a/94a
yeah think i will try that tbh, the 91a tops get destroyed fast too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 29, 2023, 04:01:48 AM
just got the new ace x theories af1 hollow 55s, really nice looking trucks
(https://i.ibb.co/R4dtHsk/IMG20230629115421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n8t4kYN)
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 29, 2023, 10:28:41 AM
pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
(https://i.ibb.co/M2fjYMH/IMG-20230629-182514.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWt3dGv)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 29, 2023, 10:37:05 AM
pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
(https://i.ibb.co/M2fjYMH/IMG-20230629-182514.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWt3dGv)

Brutal!

Too bad there aren't any other truck companies that have been around for decades with pivot cups that don't explode that Ace could design their's after...

Why re-invent the wheel with these soft pivot cups? It's a solution looking for a problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on June 29, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
(https://i.ibb.co/M2fjYMH/IMG-20230629-182514.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWt3dGv)

How common is this issue because I have never had mine explode like that?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 29, 2023, 10:49:49 AM
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pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
(https://i.ibb.co/M2fjYMH/IMG-20230629-182514.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWt3dGv)
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How common is this issue because I have never had mine explode like that?

There's definitely been a few people on here, a guy at my local had it happen, and I've seen a couple YouTubers have it happen as well. No issues with my two pairs but I'm old and don't do anything bigger than a 3 stair.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 29, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
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pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
(https://i.ibb.co/M2fjYMH/IMG-20230629-182514.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWt3dGv)
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How common is this issue because I have never had mine explode like that?
i think it depends how you skate, i bash into curbs and wall rides a lot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 29, 2023, 10:53:25 AM
I haven't had any problem with mine through countless thousands of slappies, but yeah it's definitely a known problem. In fact, last time I skated with a friend of mine, the pivot cups on his Classics were blown out.

Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers that a hard, injection-molded plastic cup does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 29, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?

This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 29, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.

I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 29, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.

I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 29, 2023, 11:35:51 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.

I was able to hand-thread the stupid self-threading nut onto the axle when it was brand new, so after a few weeks I just picked up a little baggy of maybe a dozen or so 5/16" Nylocs from the hardware store and swapped everything out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 29, 2023, 12:07:27 PM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
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I was able to hand-thread the stupid self-threading nut onto the axle when it was brand new, so after a few weeks I just picked up a little baggy of maybe a dozen or so 5/16" Nylocs from the hardware store and swapped everything out.

I keep checking for 5/16" Nylocs any time I'm at a hardware store, but they only ever have the full height ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 29, 2023, 01:00:12 PM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
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I was able to hand-thread the stupid self-threading nut onto the axle when it was brand new, so after a few weeks I just picked up a little baggy of maybe a dozen or so 5/16" Nylocs from the hardware store and swapped everything out.
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I keep checking for 5/16" Nylocs any time I'm at a hardware store, but they only ever have the full height ones.

I live walking distance from a Tacoma Screw, so I never struggle to find the strange fasteners I need for whatever stupid thing I'm doing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 29, 2023, 01:17:08 PM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
i don't understand why they didn't just use normal nuts since they include a axle rethreader anyway
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 29, 2023, 10:42:59 PM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.

My current set has the issue where the axle is longer on one side than the other. I could tighten the axle nuts all the way on the shorter side and still loosen them by hand. Swapped them out for regular ones and no more problems. Still annoying though, especially when they’re so hard to find. I still prefer Ace over Indy, but the Ace QC issues and Indy grind keep me going back and forth between the two
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 30, 2023, 12:56:35 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.

Same here. I skate better on Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 30, 2023, 06:53:36 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.

While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 30, 2023, 07:36:28 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?

That was my experience.

It might be different with the stock dual duro bushings, but I'm pretty big and found stock way too squirrely. With Hard bushings they are really stable on centre, almost too much for my preference. They still turn like crazy but you have to kind of *make* them turn by being a bit more intentional with your ankles. Most noticeable in transition. I've found my perfect setup (for now haha) with stock Indy forged hollow with Ace top washers. They're more responsive from centre without being squirrely. They turn more easily, and more predictably, but are still stable enough.

Ace's have a sharper *ultimate* turn, but I find that with Indy's I can use more of the turn with less input/effort.

Still not really a fair comparison though, I should probably give stock Ace bushings another shot so that I'm comparing apples to apples instead of 94a to 90a.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 30, 2023, 07:49:51 AM
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Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?

I don't know how to measure this objectively, but my Indy 144s feel to me more stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 30, 2023, 08:15:03 AM
thunder pivot cups fit af1s really well and don't blow out, also using polished hangers on the theories baseplates look really good



(https://i.ibb.co/nBDYvDh/IMG20230630160653.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zFSBYSK)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 30, 2023, 08:15:40 AM
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This exactly!

Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
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I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?

Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 30, 2023, 08:25:22 AM


While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?

Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...
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I've enjoyed the Indy Forged Hollows and Forged Titaniums which are both 53,5mm in height, making them pretty similar height-wise as compared to Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 30, 2023, 08:42:58 AM
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
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Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...

I've enjoyed the Indy Forged Hollows and Forged Titaniums which are both 53,5mm in height, making them pretty similar height-wise as compared to Aces.
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That's a good point! I have two setups with Indy's, but they're forged hollow 159's and 169's. My daughter's setup has Standard 139's and I find it super squirrely, but I assumed it was because they were so much narrower. Bit of both maybe?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on June 30, 2023, 08:53:23 AM
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
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Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...
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I've enjoyed the Indy Forged Hollows and Forged Titaniums which are both 53,5mm in height, making them pretty similar height-wise as compared to Aces.

That's a good point! I have two setups with Indy's, but they're forged hollow 159's and 169's. My daughter's setup has Standard 139's and I find it super squirrely, but I assumed it was because they were so much narrower. Bit of both maybe?
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Probably yeah, plus if you're magic carpeting a bit, that might also add to the squirrely feel. Dunno, it's of course also a matter of getting used to different things.

As for Ace Classics compared to Indys, I can't handle the super short wheelbase anymore it seems. Screws up my pop and high-speed transition feels awkward. On a 14.2 / 14.38 "normal" wb deck that is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on June 30, 2023, 09:04:06 AM
As for Ace Classics compared to Indys, I can't handle the super short wheelbase anymore it seems. Screws up my pop and high-speed transition feels awkward. On a 14.2 / 14.38 "normal" wb deck that is.

I'm not a Princess and the Pea skater - I don't notice a lot of the sorts of things that people here are always describing - but I think that the short wheelbase of the Aces combined with a few ~14" wheelbase decks left me feeling incredibly scrunched up on the deck, and when I swapped Indys onto the same board suddenly I had my pop back. That's one of the reasons why I say "I'll eventually go back to Ace", because they're sitting here in a box next to me, and at some point in the future I will have a deck with a longer wheelbase where I feel like they work better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 30, 2023, 09:07:13 AM
I will say the deck I enjoyed Ace on the most was a Polar 8.5. It was heavy as all fuck, but had massively good pop and stability. Just kinda sucked for tired legs. Not far off a shorter, smaller deck with Ventures
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on June 30, 2023, 09:16:39 AM
That's the other thing, my Ollie's are easier, higher and more consistent on Indy's. I'm also a hack so YMMV.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 30, 2023, 09:18:23 AM
i wouldn't skate aces on anything below 14.25wb
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boneless900 on June 30, 2023, 12:07:38 PM
thunder pivot cups fit af1s really well and don't blow out, also using polished hangers on the theories baseplates look really good



(https://i.ibb.co/nBDYvDh/IMG20230630160653.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zFSBYSK)

Hell yeah, glad you found a pivot cup solution that works for you. I'm on session 4 of the white krux cup and it's holding up really well. No deformation or warp.

That hanger/baseplate color combo is classy. If my AF-1 66s are too big for the 8.5 G096 deck, I'll probably do the inverse colorway of a black 55 hanger with my current polished baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on June 30, 2023, 12:25:22 PM
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thunder pivot cups fit af1s really well and don't blow out, also using polished hangers on the theories baseplates look really good



(https://i.ibb.co/nBDYvDh/IMG20230630160653.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zFSBYSK)
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Hell yeah, glad you found a pivot cup solution that works for you. I'm on session 4 of the white krux cup and it's holding up really well. No deformation or warp.

That hanger/baseplate color combo is classy. If my AF-1 66s are too big for the 8.5 G096 deck, I'll probably do the inverse colorway of a black 55 hanger with my current polished baseplate.
i tried some white krux pivot cups also and they was too big to even fit inside the baseplate so krux must have different sizes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 30, 2023, 03:41:53 PM
My friend went up board sizes and gifted a set of af1 44 hollows. I loved the 44 classics but they were just way too heavy especially once my legs started getting tired during a long sesh. Looking forward to seeing if these are light enough for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on July 01, 2023, 06:09:32 AM
i wouldn't skate aces on anything below 14.25wb
Skating lows on a 14” wheelbase and it’s been great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on July 01, 2023, 07:25:00 AM
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i wouldn't skate aces on anything below 14.25wb
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Skating lows on a 14” wheelbase and it’s been great


i don’t have great pop with aces, but the best pop i had with them, was on a 14” wb. my experience with the number crunching setups (this truck has this effective wb, this board has this wb, my goldilocks ratios is…) hasn’t yielded expected results.

i’m not surprised the lows work on 14

i still haven’t tried em yet.
a buddy was telling me he’s been skating lows with 54s and it works well for him, he’s super good tho so it doesn’t count.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 04, 2023, 02:13:58 PM
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 04, 2023, 09:22:51 PM
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s

Better than without IMO. I use 1/8” risers on all my Aces despite the wheel size. AF1s and Classics. First set of AF1s I had were 66s on 1/8” risers and 54 mm wheels. I’ve gone up to 60 mm and worn down to 50 mm. All great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Samsquantch on July 04, 2023, 09:31:49 PM
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s

Monster setup!

I liked them better with ⅛". Biggest I've run is 56mm conical full on 66's. Had pretty good wheelbite marks on the deck still but never got pitched.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on July 04, 2023, 10:16:26 PM
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s

1/8 risers always with Aces, they feel great.
Edit. I usually have 55-60mm wheels and prefer wider shapes. I use either 78 or 97/99 duros. I like that the riser give me more turning radius and help with pop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on July 05, 2023, 02:14:13 AM
So it really is for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 05, 2023, 04:49:29 AM
So it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.

Pop feel for me. I can use at least 54mm wheels with Aces without risers without any issues. I know people have been using much bigger wheels too. With 1/8” risers the equivalent to 54mm wheels would be 60mm when it comes to wheelbite tolerance. I will still get wheelbite with 50mm wheels and 1/8” risers but with Aces the wheelbite is always very predictable and thus not an issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on July 05, 2023, 05:31:59 AM
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So it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.
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Pop feel for me. I can use at least 54mm wheels with Aces without risers without any issues. I know people have been using much bigger wheels too. With 1/8” risers the equivalent to 54mm wheels would be 60mm when it comes to wheelbite tolerance. I will still get wheelbite with 50mm wheels and 1/8” risers but with Aces the wheelbite is always very predictable and thus not an issue.
Right. I guess it is more to do with the risers helping the pop angle seeing that ace bring the wheelbase in a bit?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 05, 2023, 07:40:52 AM
What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?

When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 05, 2023, 07:53:26 AM
What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?

When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: art hellman on July 05, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
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What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?

When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
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it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truck

I put some Ace AF1s 55 on a cruiser Heroin Egg 9.4, and with 2 spacers inside and some radial fulls, and it's pretty dang close to being flush. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on July 05, 2023, 09:00:49 AM
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So it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.
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Pop feel for me. I can use at least 54mm wheels with Aces without risers without any issues. I know people have been using much bigger wheels too. With 1/8” risers the equivalent to 54mm wheels would be 60mm when it comes to wheelbite tolerance. I will still get wheelbite with 50mm wheels and 1/8” risers but with Aces the wheelbite is always very predictable and thus not an issue.
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Right. I guess it is more to do with the risers helping the pop angle seeing that ace bring the wheelbase in a bit?

Exactly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 05, 2023, 09:11:01 AM
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What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?

When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
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it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truck
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I put some Ace AF1s 55 on a cruiser Heroin Egg 9.4, and with 2 spacers inside and some radial fulls, and it's pretty dang close to being flush.
what size is that deck at the trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 05, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
Af1 55 are an 8.5" axle but the hanger is only about 146mm. I'd say you could ride an 8.18" deck with no issues...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: art hellman on July 05, 2023, 11:11:32 AM
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What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?

When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
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it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truck
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I put some Ace AF1s 55 on a cruiser Heroin Egg 9.4, and with 2 spacers inside and some radial fulls, and it's pretty dang close to being flush.
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what size is that deck at the trucks?

9.0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 05, 2023, 03:16:44 PM
Thank you all!
I’m basically wondering if I can get away with 55’s for a deck that’s 8.6 at the trucks, or should go with 44’s. Looking at going with skinnier wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 05, 2023, 03:30:30 PM
Thank you all!
I’m basically wondering if I can get away with 55’s for a deck that’s 8.6 at the trucks, or should go with 44’s. Looking at going with skinnier wheels.
guess you mean the classic 55s? they would be fine on a 8.6 better than classic 44s imo but af1 60s would be perfect
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 05, 2023, 05:10:09 PM
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Thank you all!
I’m basically wondering if I can get away with 55’s for a deck that’s 8.6 at the trucks, or should go with 44’s. Looking at going with skinnier wheels.
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guess you mean the classic 55s? they would be fine on a 8.6 better than classic 44s imo but af1 60s would be perfect

I forgot about the AF1 60’s. That’s exactly what I’m thinking of, thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on July 06, 2023, 04:39:56 AM
probably an already answered question somewhere in this thread but, searching can be tricky sometimes

My gotos are Indy 149 hollow forged.
I skated a pair of Ace Classics a while back and really enjoyed them, felt really similar to Indys (maybe you can carve a bit further with Aces) but i finally went back to Indys for some reason.
Since then AF1 were released and i just got a couple pairs at the shop and i'm tempted to try AF1 60s

In a few words, what should i expect from them compared to Hollow Forged Indys / Ace Classics ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 06, 2023, 04:50:26 AM
probably an already answered question somewhere in this thread but, searching can be tricky sometimes

My gotos are Indy 149 hollow forged.
I skated a pair of Ace Classics a while back and really enjoyed them, felt really similar to Indys (maybe you can carve a bit further with Aces) but i finally went back to Indys for some reason.
Since then AF1 were released and i just got a couple pairs at the shop and i'm tempted to try AF1 60s

In a few words, what should i expect from them compared to Hollow Forged Indys / Ace Classics ?
should probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: smellsdead on July 06, 2023, 05:44:16 AM
im with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 06, 2023, 05:53:42 AM
im with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s
classics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smaller
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 06, 2023, 07:56:29 AM
I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s.  If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.

Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics but have some instability on center like Stage 11s. ts just not as smooth or as predictable turn as an Ace. This might be height related.

I also prefer the pop feel on Ace. It suits my sluggishness. (If I were a young sprightly man on my game, I think the Thunder pop would be better.)

I think my brain and body are just used to Ace now, so I'm, certainly biased. However, its really not that hard to adapt between Ace and Indy and I don't think it is worth switching unless you really need new trucks.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lulz on July 07, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
Ace 33 AF1 Polished Silver for 9.99

https://www.zumiez.com/ace-33-af1-polished-silver-skateboard-truck.html

(https://i.ibb.co/hYZMVYM/IMG-1011.png) (https://ibb.co/hYZMVYM)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 07, 2023, 10:02:01 AM
Ace 33 AF1 Polished Silver for 9.99

https://www.zumiez.com/ace-33-af1-polished-silver-skateboard-truck.html

(https://i.ibb.co/hYZMVYM/IMG-1011.png) (https://ibb.co/hYZMVYM)
does anyone here skate aces ride 7.75 - 8 inch decks and buy from zumiez?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on July 07, 2023, 03:35:58 PM
My friend went up board sizes and gifted a set of af1 44 hollows. I loved the 44 classics but they were just way too heavy especially once my legs started getting tired during a long sesh. Looking forward to seeing if these are light enough for me.

Update: y'all weren't kidding the AF1 44s feel like I'm skating an 8.0 truck. I took these out for two short sessions and took them off my board. I setup my old 44 classics with 1/16 risers and 53mm conical fulls for slappies and it's a night and day difference. I might consider AF1 55s down the road.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 07, 2023, 06:17:18 PM
I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s.  If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.

Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics

All of this is exactly spot on with my turning experience between the three trucks. And also the stage 4's stock bushings sucked for me, I had to equip them with ace mediums immediately. Even though the stage 4's were such an amazing turn, they were super heavy even at the 146 size and I don't even care about having hollow trucks or anything, they just really felt like tanks compared to a standard Ace 44. And also, looking down at Ace hangers is just such a normal aesthetic to me after all these years, so seeing the stage 4 hanger was a constant eye sore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on July 07, 2023, 10:16:27 PM
You love to hear it
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on July 08, 2023, 08:26:50 AM
should probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good

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im with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s
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classics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smaller

thanks guys

I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s.  If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.

Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics but have some instability on center like Stage 11s. ts just not as smooth or as predictable turn as an Ace. This might be height related.

I also prefer the pop feel on Ace. It suits my sluggishness. (If I were a young sprightly man on my game, I think the Thunder pop would be better.)

I think my brain and body are just used to Ace now, so I'm, certainly biased. However, its really not that hard to adapt between Ace and Indy and I don't think it is worth switching unless you really need new trucks.

thanks for the feedback
i actually need new trucks ;)
i really like the way Indys grind but i did like that stability you're talking about on Ace Classics.
I'm torned ahha
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on July 08, 2023, 09:09:14 AM
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should probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good
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im with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s
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classics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smaller
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thanks guys

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I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s.  If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.

Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics but have some instability on center like Stage 11s. ts just not as smooth or as predictable turn as an Ace. This might be height related.

I also prefer the pop feel on Ace. It suits my sluggishness. (If I were a young sprightly man on my game, I think the Thunder pop would be better.)

I think my brain and body are just used to Ace now, so I'm, certainly biased. However, its really not that hard to adapt between Ace and Indy and I don't think it is worth switching unless you really need new trucks.
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thanks for the feedback
i actually need new trucks ;)
i really like the way Indys grind but i did like that stability you're talking about on Ace Classics.
I'm torned ahha

Bear in mind, if it matters to you, that Ace Classics are pretty heavy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 08, 2023, 10:45:04 AM
Classics are lighter than Af1s but the difference is negligible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on July 11, 2023, 02:25:10 AM
Feeling at home and the weight finally made me go for Indy's
and i regret nothing, i had a new trucks new trick moment  8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 11, 2023, 05:50:54 AM
had to buy some more ace af1 hollows for my other setup, it's really hard to skate other trucks after skating aces

(https://i.ibb.co/HY4PHcz/IMG20230711134355.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1KQXmCq)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 11, 2023, 07:05:14 AM
had to buy some more ace af1 hollows for my other setup, it's really hard to skate other trucks after skating aces

(https://i.ibb.co/HY4PHcz/IMG20230711134355.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1KQXmCq)
How do the 60’s fit on that?
I’m thinking of almost the exacting same set-up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 11, 2023, 07:38:43 AM
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had to buy some more ace af1 hollows for my other setup, it's really hard to skate other trucks after skating aces

(https://i.ibb.co/HY4PHcz/IMG20230711134355.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1KQXmCq)
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How do the 60’s fit on that?
I’m thinking of almost the exacting same set-up.
fit perfectly, i had 55s on this before but the 60s are way more stable
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on July 11, 2023, 08:49:32 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/TvFFkRn/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvFFkRn)

Bought these for a shaped cruiser and loved them so much I put them on an 8.5” Polar I dried out and regripped. The axel sticks out about 1/8” but the added hangar width is gonna be great for pools and tranny, which I’m going to get more into as soon as my local park is done.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zyth on July 11, 2023, 09:04:00 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/TvFFkRn/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvFFkRn)

Bought these for a shaped cruiser and loved them so much I put them on an 8.5” Polar I dried out and regripped. The axel sticks out about 1/8” but the added hangar width is gonna be great for pools and tranny, which I’m going to get more into as soon as my local park is done.
you should get some 7/8 hardware or 1 inch at least lol
(https://i.ibb.co/FHVDksr/IMG20230706111624.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RjyDGhF)
 (https://imgbb.com/)
ace hollow hardware is actually a cool gimmick
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on July 11, 2023, 10:03:10 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/TvFFkRn/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvFFkRn)

Bought these for a shaped cruiser and loved them so much I put them on an 8.5” Polar I dried out and regripped. The axel sticks out about 1/8” but the added hangar width is gonna be great for pools and tranny, which I’m going to get more into as soon as my local park is done.
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you should get some 7/8 hardware or 1 inch at least lol
(https://i.ibb.co/FHVDksr/IMG20230706111624.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RjyDGhF)
 (https://imgbb.com/)
ace hollow hardware is actually a cool gimmick

Lmao, yeah I’m waiting on 7/8” I’m just impatient and used what I had with the cruiser (which had a 1/4” riser lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 14, 2023, 12:14:28 AM
Saw Joey T sampling some ikp aces on Instagram
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 14, 2023, 07:03:27 AM
Saw Joey T sampling some ikp aces on Instagram

Looking for this but can’t find it. This would be amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on July 14, 2023, 09:32:33 AM
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Saw Joey T sampling some ikp aces on Instagram
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Looking for this but can’t find it. This would be amazing.
Fuck with your trucks has them on his story.
Hard to see, but almost look like an old GK pin
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on July 14, 2023, 09:38:21 AM
He also had their dual duro bushings on his story the other day
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on July 14, 2023, 03:52:54 PM
I havent boughten Aces yet and im looking at a pair for a 9.25 w/ a 14.43wb deck (BA’s shaped deck). Anyone got any recommendations on what size I should grab? Im hoping to set it up as more of a cruiser with probably 55mm wheels on it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: intendedreceivers on July 14, 2023, 07:07:27 PM
I havent boughten Aces yet and im looking at a pair for a 9.25 w/ a 14.43wb deck (BA’s shaped deck). Anyone got any recommendations on what size I should grab? Im hoping to set it up as more of a cruiser with probably 55mm wheels on it.

AF1 66 sounds about right on a 9.25 shaped deck with normal wheels. Maybe 60s if you’re going with a super wide cruiser wheel (mini Super Juice or something similar in profile).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daewons front truck on July 15, 2023, 02:40:30 PM
Just got a pair of Ace AF1 low 60s and I love them so far! I threw them this curb setup I'm working on that has a 8.5 chocolate deck (8.6 in the middle and 8.45 around both trucks.), 53mm Spitfire F4 classics, Bronson G3s, Enjoi Deck rails, Shorty's 7/8s light hardware, and mob M-80 grip. Also pictured are the AF1 33s and Ace Classic 44s I have. I have really been digging Ace and Thunder recently. Also, I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 15, 2023, 03:13:15 PM
I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?
You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fire
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daewons front truck on July 15, 2023, 03:18:07 PM
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I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?
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You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fire

I think I may have fucked up and stripped the screws using a drill, I meant to mention that but got distracted. Otherwise of course you can. But these bitches won't fucking move. Better hope I enjoy them then XD
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: iw0 on July 15, 2023, 03:34:05 PM
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I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?
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You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fire
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I think I may have fucked up and stripped the screws using a drill, I meant to mention that but got distracted. Otherwise of course you can. But these bitches won't fucking move. Better hope I enjoy them then XD

in that case if you really hate them, dremel + pliers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daewons front truck on July 15, 2023, 04:27:01 PM
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I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?
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You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fire
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I think I may have fucked up and stripped the screws using a drill, I meant to mention that but got distracted. Otherwise of course you can. But these bitches won't fucking move. Better hope I enjoy them then XD
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in that case if you really hate them, dremel + pliers

Thanks IW0 for the helpful tip. Growing up I never saw anyone with rails but now it seems like so many stores carry them in stock so I finally decided to give in. Just went to session on a ledge near where I work and they were... Interesting. The Aces are awesome of course though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on July 15, 2023, 07:13:44 PM
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I havent boughten Aces yet and im looking at a pair for a 9.25 w/ a 14.43wb deck (BA’s shaped deck). Anyone got any recommendations on what size I should grab? Im hoping to set it up as more of a cruiser with probably 55mm wheels on it.
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AF1 66 sounds about right on a 9.25 shaped deck with normal wheels. Maybe 60s if you’re going with a super wide cruiser wheel (mini Super Juice or something similar in profile).

Thanks for the help! I set up this shape about 4-5 years ago on some 60mm OJ’s I think they were either the hot or super juices and my only issue was the wheels. They road over everything but it felt a little too much like a longboard wheel so I want to try it again with Aces since ive never had them and a smaller or different cut wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 21, 2023, 08:53:57 AM
Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on July 21, 2023, 09:40:19 AM
Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.
I've also only read that it's super difficult to get it out, but there's a guy at my local who said it wasn't that bad. He built some angled wood thing to hold the baseplate and then hammered it out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on July 21, 2023, 10:06:04 AM
Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.

af1 hollows we’re tough to get out. stripped the shit outta the threads in doing so
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 21, 2023, 02:30:52 PM
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Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.
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af1 hollows we’re tough to get out. stripped the shit outta the threads in doing so

I don't care about strippin the threads since I'll just be ditching it for inverted pins. What was your method?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on July 22, 2023, 02:49:11 AM
I have heard heat could help
Never tried though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfakie on July 22, 2023, 03:18:51 PM
just bought my first aces, i got the af1 hollow 60's

tried my friends board out and was amazed at how good the turning of aces was

they were also remarkably quiet and the bushings wayy squishier compared to my independents

definitely intrigued
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on July 22, 2023, 10:33:52 PM
So good, right!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on July 23, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was wondering about running 3 washers on the inside of my 55's in an attempt to make them fit a bit more like some 60's would on an 8.75 deck.

Does that make any sense lol? I know it's not possible to make the hanger itself longer, but my thinking is that pushing the wheels out a couple mm on each end will bring me closer to a truer fit/less magic carpet on the 8.75 and expose a lil more hanger. Is that how this works? This is my first time messing with more washers than usual, in fact I usually have one or fewer and lots of play in the wheel. @Mbrimson88 8 know you do this with 149 indys. My goal is to make transition feel a little better as I struggle with backside grinds when I have magic carpet happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 23, 2023, 11:40:40 AM
It works to an extent but you'll need to make sure you have enough axle thread to have the nuts lock on properly and you still won't get the set up as wide as with 60s. You could also go with wider wheels with a wider contact patch to push things out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on July 23, 2023, 11:46:35 AM
It works to an extent but you'll need to make sure you have enough axle thread to have the nuts lock on properly and you still won't get the set up as wide as with 60s. You could also go with wider wheels with a wider contact patch to push things out.

Thanks G, I'm on conical fulls for that width as is but I'll keep my eye on the axle nuts... I have one that likes to try to escape as it is haha. Gonna buy 60s when my rear hanger cracks, it's very close
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on July 23, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
I've ran 3-4 washers on the inside of wheels for years depending on if I needed to with certain shapes that take up more hanger space. I just take some axle nuts that are more worn in and put them on flipped with the nylock on the inside. New ones will be a bitch to catch the threading so that's why you gotta use some well used ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Urtripping on July 23, 2023, 05:19:25 PM
Extendo washers felt great!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 23, 2023, 07:21:39 PM
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was wondering about running 3 washers on the inside of my 55's in an attempt to make them fit a bit more like some 60's would on an 8.75 deck.

Does that make any sense lol? I know it's not possible to make the hanger itself longer, but my thinking is that pushing the wheels out a couple mm on each end will bring me closer to a truer fit/less magic carpet on the 8.75 and expose a lil more hanger. Is that how this works? This is my first time messing with more washers than usual, in fact I usually have one or fewer and lots of play in the wheel. @Mbrimson88 8 know you do this with 149 indys. My goal is to make transition feel a little better as I struggle with backside grinds when I have magic carpet happening.


Yeah, as others said, put as many as will fit and see how that goes.  I found that I could fit maybe four or more on the Ace trucks I have and they still worked well, compared to three max on other brand hangers / axles like Indy, Thunder and Venture.

It definitely helps "widen" out the trucks a bit more too, for setups or trucks that are not quite as wide as you might like.


The inverted nuts does work well too, after trying it on some other trucks with big wide wheels, so the nuts sit inside the line of the wheel, but you can do it with any wheel / truck combo really - just watch the nuts don't get you in the shin or anything like that.

At least any and all of these options are easy to try, don't mess up the setup and can easily be changed out, so it is not like you are altering anything permanently, which is always good.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hiljentaa on July 23, 2023, 08:04:26 PM
I don't fuck with extra washers anymore after having an axle nut tighten while riding down a hill and bind the wheel, and two times having an axle nut fall off.

Not worth it, in my opinion. Just ride what you have how it's meant to be ridden, or buy new trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 23, 2023, 08:54:52 PM
I don't fuck with extra washers anymore after having an axle nut tighten while riding down a hill and bind the wheel, and two times having an axle nut fall off.

Not worth it, in my opinion. Just ride what you have how it's meant to be ridden, or buy new trucks.



Definitely get where you are coming from.

I think after a wheel nut came off once, I always made sure I had excess wheel nuts available in case anything ended up finger tight, it was instant remove and replace, but I like the nuts being flush with the end of the axle, so having spare washers means everything fits nice and snug, never too tight, never too much play.

Might not have helped I bought a number of boxes of axle nuts from ebay not too long ago either, along with way too many washers so at least I can supply anyone and everyone who came through the door with more washers and nuts as needed.


Example (Australian ebay seller prices):

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/182438925571

https://www.ebay.com/itm/182438925571


Qty 200 Jam Nyloc Nut 5/16" UNF = fifty sets of axle nuts per box

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 26, 2023, 11:34:13 AM
Looks like the 10" 80s are out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIZh-PvB_M/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIZh-PvB_M/?hl=en)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on July 26, 2023, 06:24:13 PM
Oh wow
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on July 26, 2023, 07:07:14 PM
They wisely avoided calling them the ‘88s’.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on July 27, 2023, 12:08:24 AM
They wisely avoided calling them the ‘88s’.

Good call.

And with a 14 inch wheelbase.... ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on July 27, 2023, 06:46:30 AM
my madness keeps kicking in heavy lately.....i rode indy for 20 yrs and made the switch to ace classic 44s about 5 months ago and love them on 8.25 decks. Recently i have been wanting to skate an 8.38 deck again and keep wondering if i should skate indy 149s on it and go back to indy or get some 8.5 af1s. The aces have been good for me so far, but i also never really had an issue with indys either. My brain has been all over the lace just thinking about trucks the past 2 weeks lol
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BALARGUE on July 27, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
Just in case, 44 classics are perfect on a 8.38"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on July 27, 2023, 07:01:27 AM
If you like the Aces but want them a little wider, just add a couple extra washers on the inside of your wheels. I did that with my Aces 44, 3 washers inside, 1 outside, and it makes a perfect 8.5 truck. Now I'm back on Indy 149s though, both are great trucks, so you can't really go wrong with either.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on July 27, 2023, 07:25:21 AM
Just in case, 44 classics are perfect on a 8.38"


Yeah i havent tried them with an 8.38 deck yet, but the hanger just looks a little small even on my 8.25 deck so i think it might look even weirder one a 8.38 (just personal preference). I did just find out about the chop shop on mesa website. I already have a set of the ace bushings still brand new, so i can piece my own colorway of af1s together for only 55 bucks. I might go that route tbh
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 27, 2023, 07:52:43 AM
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Just in case, 44 classics are perfect on a 8.38"
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Yeah i havent tried them with an 8.28 deck yet, but the hanger just looks a little small even on my 8.25 deck so i think it might look even weirder one a 8.38 (just personal preference). I did just find out about the chop shop on mesa website. I already have a set of the ace bushings still brand new, so i can piece my own colorway of af1s together for only 55 bucks. I might go that route tbh

The 44 Classic is 8.35", so it should be perfect for an 8.38" deck. Personally I've only ever skated Ace 44s - first classic and then AF1s - and I found that the 44 Classics worked great in the ~8.2"-8.6" range.

(https://www.homebase610.com/cdn/shop/products/ace-trucks-size-chart_530x_a942885c-a68f-4c3b-9946-4607f40037bb_1200x1200.jpg?v=1589915017)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gunot on July 27, 2023, 12:13:49 PM
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i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups

(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only Riptide fit for AF-1s. (other than the Ace af-1 pivots themselves)

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/ace-af-1-pivot-cups/

I tried those and they didn’t even fit.
Needless to say they blew out while warming up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfakie on July 28, 2023, 01:36:38 PM
Looks like the 10" 80s are out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIZh-PvB_M/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIZh-PvB_M/?hl=en)

im droolin, these look purty
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: switchfakie on July 28, 2023, 01:38:14 PM
my madness keeps kicking in heavy lately.....i rode indy for 20 yrs and made the switch to ace classic 44s about 5 months ago and love them on 8.25 decks. Recently i have been wanting to skate an 8.38 deck again and keep wondering if i should skate indy 149s on it and go back to indy or get some 8.5 af1s. The aces have been good for me so far, but i also never really had an issue with indys either. My brain has been all over the lace just thinking about trucks the past 2 weeks lol

somethings in the air g, i skated indys for 9 years and just bought my first aces a week ago
now all i can think of are how amazing aces are. i jumped ship mad fast the moment i stepped on my homies pair
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on July 28, 2023, 03:16:39 PM
Ace should hire me to be their token Jew. I'll put my name on the Ace 88s and be like "Don't worry guys, it's cool." I'll also make my services available to Independent re: the iron cross.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jsettle on July 29, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Put the indys on this morning before the sesh at the park to make sure i was fully switched to ace....and yeah im full on converted to ace. The indys were wiggly and more squirly to me than the ace, but that didnt equate to a good of turn as my ace classics. Somehow the aces feel way more stable but turn way better to me. They also just look and feel better too. Had to make sure and im sure ace are the way to go!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 29, 2023, 04:39:09 PM
Put the indys on this morning before the sesh at the park to make sure i was fully switched to ace....and yeah im full on converted to ace. The indys were wiggly and more squirly to me than the ace, but that didnt equate to a good of turn as my ace classics. Somehow the aces feel way more stable but turn way better to me. They also just look and feel better too. Had to make sure and im sure ace are the way to go!

Yep. I feel the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Easy Slider on July 29, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
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Put the indys on this morning before the sesh at the park to make sure i was fully switched to ace....and yeah im full on converted to ace. The indys were wiggly and more squirly to me than the ace, but that didnt equate to a good of turn as my ace classics. Somehow the aces feel way more stable but turn way better to me. They also just look and feel better too. Had to make sure and im sure ace are the way to go!
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Yep. I feel the same.

I agree about the stable part but not about them turning better. I am still waiting for the bushings to break in and become softer but I am starting to believe this will never happen. I actually read in this thread they will firm up instead. Anyway I put small wheels on my Aces now, I am curious how they feel now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chris. on July 30, 2023, 03:53:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zWNz5yE.jpg)

Bury me with 55 classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: swongolianbbq on August 09, 2023, 02:10:06 PM
Switched to the hard bushings in my af1 55's

I'm like 5'9 155lbs, 34 yrs old been running loose trucks forever

I didn't like the energy loss from how wiggly they were and when I tightened em a bit I didn't like how the kingpin stuck out

Running the hards, nut flush is killer

Way more stable but I can still swerve into tight turns and adjustments if I need to buy on center they're way more stable

I love it

Also saw a clip of t funk where he had black bushings in his Indy's

I think those dudes like the gx dudes sometimes have different setups for different spots skating softer or harder wheels from 54 to 60mm and looser or tighter trucks, sizes of boards and stuff for say bombing hills or rough spots
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JugeL on August 10, 2023, 03:47:35 AM
I just put bones hards in mine. Running flush with no washers will make shit wiggle too much so i used both washers and threw the flat bones ones straight to the bin. Now it's like perfect medium with no disgusting kingpin threads showing.

No idea about geometry but feels about the same i guess?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on August 11, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 11, 2023, 03:45:38 PM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.

I enjoy the lows
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2023, 07:58:30 PM
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Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
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I enjoy the lows

I did, great truck (especially with hard bushings - made them thunder like).

Just....heavy...and while the geo help with larger wheels for a lo truck, you still run into wheelbite and running 51/50mm wheels can be a chore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 11, 2023, 09:39:16 PM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.

Have them on one of the 3 setups I regularly skate these days. Stock bushings are fine, they don't wheelbite as long as you stay at 52mm and under on your wheel choice. I'm on 44s but they're definitely a good truck..I think I would still put mini logo ahead if you like a more stable and responsive turn and/or weight is a deciding factor for you, but I know a lot of people can't handle the way they look.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: swongolianbbq on August 11, 2023, 10:41:24 PM
Got room for 3 or 4 washers depending on amount of play on my af1 55's

Thinking about using the rethreader nuts as a guide and taking off 1/16" from each side  of the axles with a cutting wheel so it'll be able to run two washers and axle will be 8 3/8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on August 12, 2023, 07:02:15 AM
Got room for 3 or 4 washers depending on amount of play on my af1 55's

Thinking about using the rethreader nuts as a guide and taking off 1/16" from each side  of the axles with a cutting wheel so it'll be able to run two washers and axle will be 8 3/8
Why give yourself less options?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 12, 2023, 08:17:49 AM
Got room for 3 or 4 washers depending on amount of play on my af1 55's

Thinking about using the rethreader nuts as a guide and taking off 1/16" from each side  of the axles with a cutting wheel so it'll be able to run two washers and axle will be 8 3/8

That won't change the performance of the trucks at all. Unless you get really annoyed with a little axle poke I wouldn't bother.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on August 14, 2023, 01:09:55 PM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.

Been skating them since they dropped, definitely needed the harder bushings, I skate 52mm wheels and can deal with the wheelbite, was riding 54mm before and it was too much, I am noticeably able to to hold grinds longer than I was capable with ventures, but that could be progression. I was curious about switchcing over to royal because I’ve heard pretty good things but I’ll be sticking with ace lows as long as they keep making them, I like the way they skate and how low they are
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on August 22, 2023, 01:05:26 PM
is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit  on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on August 22, 2023, 01:13:05 PM
is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit  on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.

I blew the bushings out of some old Indy 159s and swapped in some salvaged Ace Classic bushings, and I found it to make up a decent percentage of the difference between Ace and Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 22, 2023, 03:38:00 PM
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is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit  on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.
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I blew the bushings out of some old Indy 159s and swapped in some salvaged Ace Classic bushings, and I found it to make up a decent percentage of the difference between Ace and Indy.


Yes the ever so slightly taller bottom bushing is what gives it that little bit more turn, but also if you want a more loosey goosey turn, waxing or lubricating all contact points between the bushings and washers really makes things loosen up a lot too.  Pivot cup as well.  Beware, cause sometimes that may loosen everything up too much.

If you are just using whatever you have there in the way of bushings and washers, adding another bottom washer under the bottom bushing will lift the truck a bit more, but can mess with OCD and really make you not want to do it.

Tried it just to see what would happen and although it worked and made the truck turn way more, I was not wanting to keep two bottom washers under the bottom bushing.

At least the lower top will help with that too, so you can bring up the truck a bit more without having a nut that will not fit on the kingpin or trucks that start off way too tight to work for you.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on August 22, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit  on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.
Yes, sell them and buy 66s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on August 25, 2023, 07:17:23 PM
https://loveskateshop.com/collections/clearance/products/ace-trucks-af1-hollow-skateboard-trucks-polished

big boy 9" AF1 hollows for $42

also AF1 standard here
https://loveskateshop.com/collections/clearance/products/af1-skateboard-trucks-polished?_pos=6&_fid=d01ddebe5&_ss=c

shop is closing unfortunately...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on August 26, 2023, 01:53:03 AM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
Been running them with the hards and 53’s and have been for about a year. Wanted a low truck and venture didn’t have a low in the size I wanted so I went with ace and I don’t have any plans to change right now. Pretty sure it’s the 33? 8.25 width
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: onkalo on August 26, 2023, 11:10:44 AM
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows?  I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot.  I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect.  I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ).  These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well. 

Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.

Been on 44 lows since march, front truck kept blowing top bushings so replaced the top washer with a flat one, fixed the problem. Rear axle seems a little bent from the wear of wheels but could also be my 3-year-old bearings being loose. Have them on factory tightness, and getting wheelbite is common even though i’m a pretty light guy, but since getting used to the trucks it hasn’t really bothered me (I have ridden them with 53 and 52mm wheels, and thinking i could even get 54’s).

For first time skating them, i felt skating was way harder, but succesful tricks felt better (came from thunder 148 lights). Got some nice grooves on them, but still haven’t hit the axle yet. Also makes me being able to skate my boards longer since the pop angle won’t get too high even if the tail is worn. Pop feel is also very light because of this.

I think these may be the best trucks i’ve ever had. (I’ve had 5.2 venture lo’s, thunder 148 teams and lights and many independent 139s stage 10-11)…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on August 30, 2023, 08:48:39 PM
damn it. you guys make me want to try the ace lows. i gotta grind thru something first
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kfresh on August 31, 2023, 12:48:46 PM
I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scottboarding on August 31, 2023, 01:53:07 PM
I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?
Ace hangers are usually shorter than other brands so you could go with the AF1 55 Hollows and your wheels won’t be as far apart as they would with most other 8.5 trucks. I’ve skated 8.38 boards with 8.5 trucks from other brands and that 1/8th of an inch was pretty unnoticeable in practice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kfresh on August 31, 2023, 02:05:02 PM
Awesome. Thanks a ton!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on August 31, 2023, 05:37:20 PM
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I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?
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Ace hangers are usually shorter than other brands so you could go with the AF1 55 Hollows and your wheels won’t be as far apart as they would with most other 8.5 trucks. I’ve skated 8.38 boards with 8.5 trucks from other brands and that 1/8th of an inch was pretty unnoticeable in practice.

I found with classics that the axles can easily fit another washer to push the wheels out a touch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 02, 2023, 08:20:57 AM
I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?
I ran the AF1 44 with 8.3 and it worked great. 8.25 axle but nothing a washer or two can’t fix
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 02, 2023, 08:53:49 AM
Update:  I’ve been skating the AF1 lows for a few weeks now and I really like them.  The Ace low hard bushings make a huge difference from last time I tried them.  I have the kingpin nut completely flush and they turn really well without being unskateably loose.  The pinch feels great on them and the material seems to grind better than I remember from the AF1’s I previously skated (maybe it’s going from Venture to AF1 instead of Ace classics to AF1…).  I’m going to keep skating them for a while for sure. 

Also, thanks for the feedback everyone!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kfresh on September 02, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
Hmmm. Now I have some decisions to make.begween the 44 or 55 AF1 for an 8.38
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 02, 2023, 01:14:54 PM
Hmmm. Now I have some decisions to make.begween the 44 or 55 AF1 for an 8.38


Easiest way to go is this (even though it is not the be all and end all of truck to deck size ratio):

Wider truck for more stability, usually better for transition and anything that you want the wheel to sit at the edge of the board, without it sticking out at all and the board being well balanced.

Narrow truck for street skating, rail and ledge balance, board tech, flip tricks and the like, where the wheels sit under the board, so you don't see them at all and the board being a little more tippy on the side.


There are pros and cons to both setups, but when dealing with truck sizes, that is often the easiest way to look at it.  I have the AF1 55 size on my 8.38 boards wanting more balance, but another guy I know has the AF1 44 size who skates rails, ledges, lots of flip tricks and says they skate better for him than the 55s.

Adding or removing washers from the inside will also help to move wheels in or out more, especially on Ace trucks as the hanger itself is not quite as wide as other brands, but the axle is still about the same (as others have said) so you can get more washers on the inside if you want to push the wheels out further, on any of their trucks.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: macho taildrop on September 05, 2023, 09:23:20 AM
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but are the AF-1 low bushings the same height(s) as the classic low bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 05, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but are the AF-1 low bushings the same height(s) as the classic low bushings?

Yes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: macho taildrop on September 05, 2023, 12:10:02 PM
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Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but are the AF-1 low bushings the same height(s) as the classic low bushings?
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Yes

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Easy Slider on September 11, 2023, 09:59:30 AM
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On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?

Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.

I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?
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If they’re Classics, change the washers. The stock ones are thick and too small. This has been an issue for me on almost all my Classics. Surprisingly though one set was ok with the stock washers.

Bro at last I changed the washers on my Aces, put in some flat washers from the Bones bushing sets. This is such a game changer, literally like day and night. Now they TURN. They turn so good I even contemplate tightening them a quarter turn, but wow, thanks man.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 11, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
I really miss looking down at Ace hangers but running Indy stage 7 and 11 hangers on Ace classic baseplates they just grind so much better than both AF1 and classic hangers :-X. Ace needs to come out with an inverted AF1 truck so I can have an excuse to go back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mstuntbless on September 12, 2023, 07:51:09 AM
Talk to me about classic 44s. I skate 8.3..14.38 wb. I like Indy but they are so damn high. The 44s are lower and the axle matches perfectly. Plz tell me if I’m missing something!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on September 12, 2023, 08:14:23 AM
Talk to me about classic 44s. I skate 8.3..14.38 wb. I like Indy but they are so damn high. The 44s are lower and the axle matches perfectly. Plz tell me if I’m missing something!

They're good trucks. A bit on the heavy side. The turn is amazing – I actually prefer Ace hard bushings as the stock ones can be almost too squirrely, but those who like loose trucks will love the Ace Classics. The wheelbase effect is probably the shortest of all trucks on the Classics (like 2.75" if I'm not mistaken), so anything less than 14.38" wb can feel weird. The grind is not as good as on Indys, but they grind. You'll either love 'em or hate 'em. If you skate transition, most probably the former. If street only, well, if the weight and possibly weird pop are not an issue for you, go for it. Some people swear by the Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 12, 2023, 09:11:37 AM
I skated the Classics and then moved to the AF1s, and IMO there's nothing about Ace Trucks which isn't improved in the AF1.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 12, 2023, 09:20:09 AM
I'd argue I slightly prefer the turn and pop feel of the classics but there is not enough in it to really deter me from AF1s. The AF1s are way higher quality, better grind (some might argue otherwise), and way more durable. The sizing options are better with the AF1s also.

I seemed to have skated my best on classic 55s over the last few years, so I have set on hand... me and Ronnie Sandoval know what's up...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mstuntbless on September 12, 2023, 10:53:50 AM
Thanks for the feedback ya’ll. It’s interesting because if I want to stay on Indy but I want the height of the classics I would have to go with an Indy mid which would be heavier than the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: onkalo on September 12, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
Set up a new deck yesterday and noticed these small cracks going on under the pivot cup on my af1 44 lows. Isn’t noticeable but i’m a bit bummed still.
(https://i.ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd/218-CDB86-D22-D-4-B3-E-B02-D-80-A489019-CC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on September 12, 2023, 12:37:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback ya’ll. It’s interesting because if I want to stay on Indy but I want the height of the classics I would have to go with an Indy mid which would be heavier than the classics.

Why not try the Indy Forged Hollows? They're almost as low as the Classics. 1.5mm difference shouldn't throw you off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 12, 2023, 02:05:02 PM
Set up a new deck yesterday and noticed these small cracks going on under the pivot cup on my af1 44 lows. Isn’t noticeable but i’m a bit bummed still.
(https://i.ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd/218-CDB86-D22-D-4-B3-E-B02-D-80-A489019-CC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd)

I wouldn’t hesitate to contact Ace about a warranty replacement. I had two loose kingpins in my Ace Classics and they let me swap them for AF-1 44s. Sent them an email on a Sunday night and I had new trucks and some stickers by Friday. Other people here have had similar experiences.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GS77 on September 12, 2023, 04:34:13 PM
I put 169 Indy’s on a new deck and I immediately want to take them off. I think I’m done with Indy’s. At my advanced age the Ace wiggle is my favorite trick. Indy’s feel dull and floppy in comparison.

Ace 55 Classics are like a sports car in comparison…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DERBY on September 12, 2023, 06:25:41 PM
I put 169 Indy’s on a new deck and I immediately want to take them off. I think I’m done with Indy’s. At my advanced age the Ace wiggle is my favorite trick. Indy’s feel dull and floppy in comparison.

Ace 55 Classics are like a sports car in comparison…

you’re so on the nose bout my feelings with indy’s.  indys started to feel lifeless and like a drag after i tried aces
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on September 15, 2023, 08:08:24 AM
Set up a new deck yesterday and noticed these small cracks going on under the pivot cup on my af1 44 lows. Isn’t noticeable but i’m a bit bummed still.
(https://i.ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd/218-CDB86-D22-D-4-B3-E-B02-D-80-A489019-CC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Ft3Rrd)

Mine are doing the same, I’ve gone through quite a few setups I wonder if they will honor it as a manufacturer defect
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: onkalo on September 15, 2023, 08:39:04 AM
Those cracks probably are caused because there is a hole under the pivot cup they had to make to make the pivot cup sit so low. Hopefully there won’t chip pieces off, which might lead to the pivot cup being loose. Not gonna try to make some warranty claims as that hole seems to be pretty mandatory for the truck design, and i’ve never had any luck with warranty claims…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on September 16, 2023, 12:51:59 AM
Thank you to everyone who said to get hard bushings and run loose.
Fucking sweeeeeet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shouldn't on September 16, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
i have af1’s right now, first time skating ace’s. they haven’t broken in yet but there is a horrible clanking noise every time i turn on the back truck. if i just apply pressure to them on either side with my hands they make the noise. anyone else had this problem? should i just swap out the bushings or what? i also ride really lose so it’s definitely not a problem with them being too tight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 16, 2023, 02:16:34 PM
They will break in and stop clicking. Go session them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on September 16, 2023, 04:12:06 PM
i have af1’s right now, first time skating ace’s. they haven’t broken in yet but there is a horrible clanking noise every time i turn on the back truck. if i just apply pressure to them on either side with my hands they make the noise. anyone else had this problem? should i just swap out the bushings or what? i also ride really lose so it’s definitely not a problem with them being too tight.

Normal for Ace. It will go away, I promise, but the solution which worked for me was to disassemble the truck and apply a thin layer of grease to all the metal-on-metal surfaces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on September 17, 2023, 01:31:20 AM
As others have said, the clicking WILL go away. Patience. Don't bother to start taping your kingpin or any of the ridiculously tedious methods.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 17, 2023, 03:57:40 AM
Just remove the top washer. Easy. Done. Plus, extra turning mode engaged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: shouldn't on September 17, 2023, 01:00:20 PM
thank you guys. yeah i used to take off the top washer when i rode ventures a long time ago so i’ll try that & the grease method. i appreciate the responses.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on September 23, 2023, 08:37:53 AM
Gave into some madness and bought some AF1 60's since I never tried out the size. Left them stock just took off the top washers like usual. 1-2 frontside slappies and 10 minutes into the session, front pivot cup ripped in half. How these trucks don't get more criticism outside of slap, I have no idea, because these pivot cups are absolute dog shit. Put some random Riptide ones from the junk bag in 'em and they seem to fit fine. Otherwise, beautiful trucks and turning....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 23, 2023, 08:43:18 AM
Damn. I keep reading about the pivot cups and worry about mine. I have broken in 1 set of Af1 55s, two sets of 60s and one set of 66s and never had an issue. Pivot cups still going strong in all sets. Down to axle on the 55s and cups show no sign of damage.

I don't do any really high impact stuff but I like to ride loose and smash my trucks into curbs and pool coping and crank them around tight shallow ends...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 23, 2023, 09:40:41 AM
I'm the only person I know in real life that had the pivot cup issues but every person I know with AF1 have the clicking washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on September 23, 2023, 11:30:22 AM
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on September 23, 2023, 12:55:22 PM
Air force
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on September 25, 2023, 12:19:45 PM
Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 25, 2023, 12:31:16 PM
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?

Always First
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on September 25, 2023, 03:46:49 PM
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
As Fuck.
As in: “Ace’s new AsFuck1 trucks turn really well.”
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 25, 2023, 03:51:11 PM
Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)

The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during  break in but I've never seen that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GS77 on September 25, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
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Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during  break in but I've never seen that.

Maybe the top washer is cutting the bushing?

I had that happen on my Indy’s and I took the bottom washer off an extra truck and moved it to the top washer. Problem went away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on September 25, 2023, 04:06:08 PM
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Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during  break in but I've never seen that.
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Maybe the top washer is cutting the bushing?

I had that happen on my Indy’s and I took the bottom washer off an extra truck and moved it to the top washer. Problem went away.
You’re right it looks like the washer is cutting into the bushing. They’re pretty soft but had just started to harden up too. Oh well. Will swing by the shop and check for some low bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mr. Pickles on September 25, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
Aye foo
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on September 25, 2023, 11:28:05 PM
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Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during  break in but I've never seen that.
I would hit that warranty email
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on October 02, 2023, 09:22:38 PM
I keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on October 03, 2023, 09:46:55 AM
I keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.

Have your kingpins rattled loose? This happened to me with both of my Ace Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jgonzalez on October 08, 2023, 04:44:29 PM
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Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s

Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?

(https://i.ibb.co/tbmBn8p/IMG-9985.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmBn8p)(https://i.ibb.co/5KYZWRZ/IMG-9984.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5KYZWRZ)
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during  break in but I've never seen that.
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I would hit that warranty email
Thanks for the advice. Hit the warranty and they sent an apologetic message and some bushings out pretty quick. Thankful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 08, 2023, 05:40:44 PM
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I keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.
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Have your kingpins rattled loose? This happened to me with both of my Ace Classics.


One other thing I notice is the back truck bushings always compress more than the front on my boards, so even try switching the bushings around - front now in the back, back now in the front. 

Compared to changing hangers or other things that make it just weird, bushings usually don't feel too bad or acan even give you a better ride for a while, but I will also try to put them in the same way / same facings as where they were, just switched between trucks.


Some sets of Ace trucks I have had traded in have such stiff feeling bushings, but others feel so mushy and have very little resistance, so it is an interesting thing, given the people who had them say they are still stock bushings in them.

Maybe some people would benefit from having a set of the Ace hard bushings in the back truck and the regular bushings in the front truck too, or even combinations of each, but again, mark which are which so it is not a bad mix and match and you end up with them in the wrong trucks.

One set of Ace trucks that came in had about three to four threads showing, but the bushings felt great on them, not at all tight or squashed feeling, so I just used the angle grinder and took down the kingpins, so now they work well, more clearance and fewer issues all up.  Just went really easy on the grinder so I didn't cook the bushings, which can happen if you go too hard on it - they bubble and just melt.


Just a few thoughts anyway.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 08, 2023, 11:08:09 PM
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I keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.
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Have your kingpins rattled loose? This happened to me with both of my Ace Classics.
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One other thing I notice is the back truck bushings always compress more than the front on my boards, so even try switching the bushings around - front now in the back, back now in the front. 

Compared to changing hangers or other things that make it just weird, bushings usually don't feel too bad or acan even give you a better ride for a while, but I will also try to put them in the same way / same facings as where they were, just switched between trucks.


Some sets of Ace trucks I have had traded in have such stiff feeling bushings, but others feel so mushy and have very little resistance, so it is an interesting thing, given the people who had them say they are still stock bushings in them.

Maybe some people would benefit from having a set of the Ace hard bushings in the back truck and the regular bushings in the front truck too, or even combinations of each, but again, mark which are which so it is not a bad mix and match and you end up with them in the wrong trucks.

One set of Ace trucks that came in had about three to four threads showing, but the bushings felt great on them, not at all tight or squashed feeling, so I just used the angle grinder and took down the kingpins, so now they work well, more clearance and fewer issues all up.  Just went really easy on the grinder so I didn't cook the bushings, which can happen if you go too hard on it - they bubble and just melt.


Just a few thoughts anyway.

To add my 2c, I skated Ace Classics (44s specifically) a ton and never had an issue with bushings. A little while after the AF1s came out, I bought replacement bushings and noticed they felt completely different than the stock bushings in the Classics.. very squirrelly upon installation and they seemed to degrade faster than what I was used to.. the old bushings were very loose and turny but stable on center while the new ones were floppy.

I ended up trying the Ace hard bushings and while the break in period sucked, once they were broken in, I had that mix of looseness and control that I was missing. Maybe try those?

Just to note, I have no clue if Ace actually changed their bushings and have nothing to back my claims aside from pure feeling, but I’ve been using the hard bushings on my curb setup for a few months now with no complaints.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet son of a bitch on October 09, 2023, 06:02:59 PM
I got some hard bushings but had them on different set up. I’ve been thinking of setting them up again on this new 8.25. Now it’s for sure. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on October 09, 2023, 07:06:06 PM
is ace hollow hardware any good? kinda thinking they will cave in if bashed into a wall/coping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scottboarding on October 09, 2023, 07:11:51 PM
is ace hollow hardware any good? kinda thinking they will cave in if bashed into a wall/coping.
Can’t speak on durability but I’m not a huge fan. Tightening them all the way down was difficult because of the teeth. No clue how the ads had people not using an Allen wrench with them, I had to use one and grip the skate tool as hard as I could to get them all the way down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on October 09, 2023, 11:05:22 PM
is ace hollow hardware any good? kinda thinking they will cave in if bashed into a wall/coping.



i like it, no problems here. most my boards are wide so always looking to shed any extra weight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 10, 2023, 02:51:12 AM
Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my titanium* hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on October 10, 2023, 05:46:09 PM
Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.


twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SaySo on October 11, 2023, 04:43:37 AM
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?

Arthur Fonzarelli?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Henry_Winkler_Fonzie_1977.JPG)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 11, 2023, 06:33:56 AM
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Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.
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twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.

Compared to AR (not painted) allen shake junt hardware (both 7/8)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuesday on October 11, 2023, 09:54:47 AM
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Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
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Arthur Fonzarelli?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Henry_Winkler_Fonzie_1977.JPG)

LOL. This is so good! The Fonz signature truck line.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on October 11, 2023, 05:57:44 PM
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Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.
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twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.
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Compared to AR (not painted) allen shake junt hardware (both 7/8)

the bolts themselves should weigh the same. twice as much would be a huge dif.

My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on October 19, 2023, 08:32:59 PM
been having problems with axle stall because my front truck slips to the heel side wheel instead of being stable, making it very jarring so i run off my board. is there any way to fix that besides learning to grind a ledge. (i don't know how to do that yet because i'm still in the beginning stages)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boneless900 on October 19, 2023, 09:59:55 PM
Blew out another pair of AF1 pivot cups so I'm gonna try out the white Krux pivot cups again. If those don't fit/feel good, I'll try out mini logo next. Hoping the harder pivot cups hold up a bit better for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on October 19, 2023, 11:22:40 PM
been having problems with axle stall because my front truck slips to the heel side wheel instead of being stable, making it very jarring so i run off my board. is there any way to fix that besides learning to grind a ledge. (i don't know how to do that yet because i'm still in the beginning stages)

Keep your weight more on the back foot. Lock the heelside rear wheel on the coping first. The front trucks should take care of themselves, it doesn't really matter what the exact placement is as long as you're in control of your back foot. For grinds on coping, it's good to aim for a crosslock where the rear heelside wheel and front toeside wheel are both locked on the coping. But it all starts with the back foot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on October 19, 2023, 11:39:47 PM
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Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.
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twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.
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Compared to AR (not painted) allen shake junt hardware (both 7/8)
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the bolts themselves should weigh the same. twice as much would be a huge dif.

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My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
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I remeasured and you’re right, I made a mistake, I was weighing titanium hardware I painted black. The sj hardware and ace hollow weigh the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OhioGuy on October 22, 2023, 03:25:02 PM
Ah, it’s that time again, when I wonder if I should try my 44s again. I actually took some of the hard bushings and put them in my Indy’s and I love them now. Wondering if hard Ace bushings in Ace trucks will make them feel just as stable. It’s a cheap enough experiment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on October 23, 2023, 08:15:50 AM
Jacopo really makes them look good. I should probably set them up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 23, 2023, 11:03:06 AM
Jacopo really makes them look good. I should probably set them up.


you dirty dirty sonuvabitch!

i’ve kept my af1 44s that i’ve f’d up by trying to replace the pivot cups, SOLELY for this reason. i’ve never seen his setup details, but ….he makes it all look good.

curse you for putting this thought back into my head
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bumba on October 27, 2023, 04:21:44 PM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.


Do you mean one mm of kingpin, so almost one or two threads showing?

This is what Indy trucks used to be like with the taller bushings, before they changed them down, so if you took off the kingpin nut on a new set, it was near impossible to get it back on until the bushings had compressed down some.  You can still press down firmly on the kingpin and tool to push the bushings down some to then get the nut on nicely, as I used to have to do, but if it doesn't want to go on at all, see options below.


I haven't seen the hard bushings, so don't know much about them besides the height and duro, from looking at them online, but I am guessing like any bushings, you need to get the nut down on them to make them compress and work, otherwise they would be very loose.

Being hard bushings too, if things are too tight / don't work, try the stock top with the hard bottoms at first, or mix and match to see what works best.

Only other thing I usually do is cut the tops down - just take a single mm or two max from the lower part of the top bushings, as I have done on many bushings of all types, shapes, sizes, etc but that is probably not the sort of thing you want to hear with your brand new hard bushings.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rikki on October 28, 2023, 12:32:09 AM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.

Sounds weird, I didn't notice anything like this when I was riding Aces and hard bushings. They should be the same size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on October 28, 2023, 01:16:18 PM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
Are you riding classic lows?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BSslappysOnly on October 28, 2023, 07:09:30 PM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.

You’re not tripping. I tried putting hard bushings in a pair of AF1s and I could barely get the nut on. They also barely turned. I compared them to the Indy stage 4 bushings and they are the same size.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet son of a bitch on October 29, 2023, 06:36:02 PM
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I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
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You’re not tripping. I tried putting hard bushings in a pair of AF1s and I could barely get the nut on. They also barely turned. I compared them to the Indy stage 4 bushings and they are the same size.
I only had this issue on old aces. On my af1 I had no issue and they’re perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2023, 06:37:45 PM
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.

The [new af1] hards have a taller top bushings compared to the classic tops...even tho ACE says they can be used for both; you'd be better off with an ACE low hard top or Indy black/yellows.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 30, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...

Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on October 30, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...

Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.

classic 55s are the shit. i gave mine away, along with my last shaped board, and of course i miss it.
the ollie with the classic 55s was so much better for me, than the 44s, i’m not sure what to say. the geo felt different, the kingpin nut was hard to get a skate tool onto, they felt stiff/tighter. the pop was rad, which is generally where i disembark the ace train.

my af1s look and feel quality. squirrelly fuckers tho. can’t get a decent ollie to save my life.

some trucks just hit their stride, in different sizes for me. e.g. venture 5.0 lo’s, 5.8 hi’s, indy 159s***, ace classic 55s.
f’n indy 159s are just too beast for my baby legs, but those trucks are sick.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on October 30, 2023, 01:44:08 PM
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...

Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.

So true man. I also always felt like I skate better with Classics. I'm sticking to Af1 60s for now though since they fit my current setup better. Next board I'm going back to Classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 30, 2023, 01:53:13 PM
I think I'm going to get some back up Classic 55s, just incase Ace stop making them. They say they won't but I'm not sure I trust this info....
#panicbuying
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BL0B on October 30, 2023, 04:40:42 PM
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...

Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.



https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu3Gmj5Mo9U/


take some 55's down to 8.75" with this. you'd need to shorten and re tap your axles. that was the wrong clip but there's another one where they remove quite a bit of material fairly easily.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on October 31, 2023, 07:42:21 AM
Since classics feel lighter when skating (my opinion), do AF1 hollows feel similar to classics?
Thinking about getting hollows and putting them on AF1 low baseplates for the lightest ace possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: lamfordie on November 06, 2023, 09:51:49 AM
I dont know if this had happen to anyone else but my bottom bushing on my af1 is about 1mm shorter than the other one. I dont know if this is a defect and will it effect my turning. Any guesses?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on November 06, 2023, 10:52:08 AM
Since classics feel lighter when skating (my opinion), do AF1 hollows feel similar to classics?
Thinking about getting hollows and putting them on AF1 low baseplates for the lightest ace possible.
This is exactly what I do, and I love them. I also use the Acer titanium axle and kingpin nuts to really get the madness flowing on the weight
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 06, 2023, 04:44:58 PM
I dont know if this had happen to anyone else but my bottom bushing on my af1 is about 1mm shorter than the other one. I dont know if this is a defect and will it effect my turning. Any guesses?


Is that from new or are they well used / older trucks and bushings now?


My back truck bottom bushing definitely compresses way more than the front bottom bushing, to the point where if I swap them over I can feel the difference, but it is good to do that to make them last longer, or get more even wear out of them.

If it is from new, then I guess the question of Ace quality control is still there, as it was when a lot of people were having fun with warranty and other things.


Any which way, try swapping them over so the front is now the back or see if it makes any difference to skate them either way.

It only took a session or two for mine to feel normal again after swapping them over, but I usually set up trucks and then don't touch them again, for the most part.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on November 06, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
I think I’m going to get fresh bushings for a second time for the af1 44s. When the bushings are super broken in they feel so soft and get too squirrely for me. I need to order dem hard bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on November 06, 2023, 10:52:17 PM
I think I’m going to get fresh bushings for a second time for the af1 44s. When the bushings are *super broken in they feel so soft and get too squirrely for me. I need to order dem hard bushings.
I mean… This may be a little TOO on the nose given my account name, but *THAT’s when they finally start feeling right in my estimation, but to own their each, as thems said.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on November 09, 2023, 06:50:00 PM
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I think I’m going to get fresh bushings for a second time for the af1 44s. When the bushings are *super broken in they feel so soft and get too squirrely for me. I need to order dem hard bushings.
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I mean… This may be a little TOO on the nose given my account name, but *THAT’s when they finally start feeling right in my estimation, but to own their each, as thems said.

I kno I feel like a lame idk if I’m meant to be on Ace trucks tho. I like them when they’re more stable and less turnt squirrels I think I should try thunders but can’t afford to buy a set rn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FGO925 on November 11, 2023, 11:54:28 AM
Are the classic 44’s sold out everywhere? Cant seem to find them.

Even in Ace’s website they’re sold out. Called a few shops and no one has them anymore
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 11, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
Plenty out there. SoCal has some.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FGO925 on November 12, 2023, 11:55:49 AM
Plenty out there. SoCal has some.

Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.

Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.

Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on November 12, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
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Plenty out there. SoCal has some.
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Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.

Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.

Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get

ace classic 55s, my faves.

whatever jacopo, jack o’grady, but especially that willow guy from the gx1000 video. whatever he uses. get those.

ace are honestly great for transition and/or any setups with big wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 12, 2023, 03:24:17 PM
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Plenty out there. SoCal has some.
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Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.

Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.

Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get

Get the Ace Classics. Stage 4s are super fun but have some downsides. Heavy, no kingpin clearance and the turn isn't as good as ace classics  imo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 12, 2023, 05:55:30 PM
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Plenty out there. SoCal has some.
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Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.

Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.

Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get
I prefer Ace for transition in general, especially bowl skating. I haven’t skated the stage 4, but standard Indy’s have the advantage of a better grind on pool coping and stability for skating giant vert ramps
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on November 14, 2023, 10:33:59 AM
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After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...

Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu3Gmj5Mo9U/


take some 55's down to 8.75" with this. you'd need to shorten and re tap your axles. that was the wrong clip but there's another one where they remove quite a bit of material fairly easily.



the forbidden suppresser
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 16, 2023, 08:27:00 PM
Does anyone know the bushing heights for both low and regular aftermarket ace bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2023, 08:57:16 PM
Does anyone know the bushing heights for both low and regular aftermarket ace bushings?


Back on page 147 here and also the bushing thread, I had put up a list of all the main brainds.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3509299#msg3509299



Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm



https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/bushings-parts

I thought they had them on the Ace site too, but only the duro of the bushings.

Ace Classic and AF1 are the same, from what I can recall.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 16, 2023, 09:51:44 PM
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Does anyone know the bushing heights for both low and regular aftermarket ace bushings?
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Back on page 147 here and also the bushing thread, I had put up a list of all the main brainds.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3509299#msg3509299



Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm



https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/bushings-parts

I thought they had them on the Ace site too, but only the duro of the bushings.

Ace Classic and AF1 are the same, from what I can recall.

Cheers mate, looks like I'm buying both and putting the classic bottom and low tops in my tensor ATG's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 16, 2023, 11:07:30 PM
Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on November 16, 2023, 11:49:00 PM
Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scottboarding on November 22, 2023, 09:11:28 AM
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Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
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Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?
Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Badandoldskater on November 22, 2023, 10:18:07 AM
Man first time on ace classics, squirrelly but boy are they fun and turny. No wonder you folks love em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on November 22, 2023, 02:36:48 PM
Do all AF1 lows come with hollow kingpins?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goodatmeth on November 22, 2023, 02:54:51 PM
Do all AF1 lows come with hollow kingpins?
Yeah, and they somehow weigh exactly as much as regular height AF1 hollows. Lotta weight in that regular baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cucktard on November 22, 2023, 04:45:07 PM
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Do all AF1 lows come with hollow kingpins?
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Yeah, and they somehow weigh exactly as much as regular height AF1 hollows. Lotta weight in that regular baseplate.

Thanks!
I’ve been on regular AF1s for a while but wanting to make a bit more of a tech setup instead of my regular boats
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Meathook on December 04, 2023, 06:06:45 AM
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups?  I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.

I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1.  Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 04, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups?  I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.

I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1.  Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?

I feel like the issues - at least as we saw them here - were associated with the first generation of AF1, when the product was brand new. Personally, I've been on mine are about a year and a half with no issues.

Have you contacted customer service? They're usually pretty quick and responsive; I imagine they'll ship you some new cups no problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rawbertson. on December 04, 2023, 07:43:04 AM
Same I have had mine for over a year
barely tightened them at all when i got em
never had any problem with the trucks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 04, 2023, 08:18:11 AM
I've broken in 4 sets of AF1a and never had an issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gunot on December 04, 2023, 10:10:30 AM
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups?  I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.

I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1.  Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?

That‘s a pretty long time for AF1 pivot cups.
Thunder replacement pivot cups are the #1 workaround. :)
Riptides for AF1s are expensive but don‘t fit properly.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boneless900 on December 04, 2023, 04:27:11 PM
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What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups?  I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.

I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1.  Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?
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That‘s a pretty long time for AF1 pivot cups.
Thunder replacement pivot cups are the #1 workaround. :)
Riptides for AF1s are expensive but don‘t fit properly.

Good to know that thunder pivot cups fit. I've been on the white Krux cups and they're a tiny bit taller than the AF1 pivots so the truck might be 1mm higher than it should. Doesn't bother me personally but I can see how that could drive some gear madness.

The hard bushings have been really great for me and I switched back to the ace top washer instead of the bones flat washer and I'm rolling away from more tricks when I land shitty. The flat washer felt nice on a 14" WB for me but on a 14.375 I feel like I get pitched off my board more than usual when landing sloppy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 04, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Never had a problem with AF-1, had a ton with classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 05, 2023, 08:55:59 PM
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Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
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Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?
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Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.

Ryan is upgrading big time

Welcome -> Sci Fi Fantasy
Etnies -> NB
Krux -> Ace

Is he still on Orbs? Prob not I'm gunna guess he's getting Spitfire boxes now too
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Meathook on December 06, 2023, 07:13:05 AM
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Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
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Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?
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Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.
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Ryan is upgrading big time

Welcome -> Sci Fi Fantasy
Etnies -> NB
Krux -> Ace

Is he still on Orbs? Prob not I'm gunna guess he's getting Spitfire boxes now too

He’s riding dragons in that GH review despite the disclaimer about riding for orbs.  “Ryan definitely didn’t trade 4 sets of orbs for a set of dragons at cowtown.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
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Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid
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Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?
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Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.
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Ryan is upgrading big time

Welcome -> Sci Fi Fantasy
Etnies -> NB
Krux -> Ace

Is he still on Orbs? Prob not I'm gunna guess he's getting Spitfire boxes now too
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He’s riding dragons in that GH review despite the disclaimer about riding for orbs.  “Ryan definitely didn’t trade 4 sets of orbs for a set of dragons at cowtown.

so many people have switched to ACE in the last couple years!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 06, 2023, 08:35:35 AM
The last Crailtap Weak Days clip  has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: disgruntledMTAEmployee on December 06, 2023, 10:01:18 AM
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups?  I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.

I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1.  Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?

they're complete ass.

ive had 3 pairs of af1s, all awful.

get the new royals. you will never have a problem with pivot cups again. they also don't pop or squeak when you turn. the only significant downside is they're a mid truck, 52mm in height (they dont make a high atm). i rode high trucks for a long time so that took some getting used to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: moonordie on December 06, 2023, 11:07:36 AM
The last Crailtap Weak Days clip  has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.
Dude either you have a massive screen or you're a hawk.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 06, 2023, 11:13:21 AM
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Dude either you have a massive screen or you're a hawk.

Just a truck nerd.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 06, 2023, 11:14:28 AM
Ace is doing a stellar job hooking up pros with sample trucks and targeting pros that don't have current sponsors. Its sorta like the DLX "just toss some Thunders in every box" model.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on December 19, 2023, 09:41:54 AM
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 19, 2023, 10:27:46 AM
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.

There isn't much difference really in my opinion between 9 and 8.75" considering how well they lock in. I skate both axle sizes regularly.  What size and shape of a wheel do you have because it also matters. I dont think downsizing trucks will fix your issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 19, 2023, 10:30:43 AM
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.

You could try bigger/ wider wheels with a shape that locks you in. I'd stick to 9" hangers if I was only riding transition.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 19, 2023, 12:22:59 PM
The last Crailtap Weak Days clip  has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.

I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.

And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gandito405 on December 19, 2023, 12:28:30 PM
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There isn't much difference really in my opinion between 9 and 8.75" considering how well they lock in. I skate both axle sizes regularly.  What size and shape of a wheel do you have because it also matters. I dont think downsizing trucks will fix your issue.
i ride full conicals in 58mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2023, 08:17:51 PM
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I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.

And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.

he riding af155s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 19, 2023, 08:48:21 PM
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I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.

And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.
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he riding af155s?

Wish he still rode the Hiuffer/ Phawt shape. I always thought those decks made his skateboarding look even better and vice versa. Ace really suit that shape also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2023, 09:08:37 PM
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The last Crailtap Weak Days clip  has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.
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I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.

And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.
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he riding af155s?
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Wish he still rode the Hiuffer/ Phawt shape. I always thought those decks made his skateboarding look even better and vice versa. Ace really suit that shape also.

i bought THE huffer, for this very reason. at one point i had his shoes, that board, some 151s (i thought that’s what he had on there, but it’s hard to decipher from footage).
super stan


fond memories of that board, and setup. and shoes.
tried the deck with 151s, 159s, 169s. eventually i gave everything away. the crazy thing about that board is that it lasts forever.
151s worked the best for me, i don’t remember it being particularly close.
i miss 159s
i am strangely drawn to 169s, and for sure wish i could emulate alexis setup.

i probably have 25 posts saying this same thing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 20, 2023, 05:06:43 AM
I have no idea which model anything, I just saw him skating and he was on a Crail popsicle with Ace trucks. Didn’t quiz him on his setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 20, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
I have no idea which model anything, I just saw him skating and he was on a Crail popsicle with Ace trucks. Didn’t quiz him on his setup.

Old man rules... No equipment chat until at least one hour of skateboarding... Its all downhill when we start talking nanocubics...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on December 20, 2023, 04:01:10 PM
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I have no idea which model anything, I just saw him skating and he was on a Crail popsicle with Ace trucks. Didn’t quiz him on his setup.
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Old man rules... No equipment chat until at least one hour of skateboarding... Its all downhill when we start talking nanocubics...

no no no no

you are supposed to aggressively flip his setup over and start taking notes.


i’ve never spoken to him, seems friendly enough. fair amount younger than i and it never seemed necessary.
that being said, it shocks me the amount of info i hear about pro’s setups on here, from folks who have i guess just asked. and i, for some weird reason, REALLY like to hear about what the rippers are riding.
maybe it’s partially because i am from a time when people made it sound like they almost didn’t care/know what parts they had. i mean a skateboard doesn’t isn’t a race car, fairly limited in it’s components, always surprised me when folks would just blink or be awkward about it.
i’m not trying to talk gear in real life, that’s why i have a slap account

and yes i expect you to do my dirty work
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on December 20, 2023, 04:27:38 PM
Last time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: manysnakes on December 20, 2023, 04:34:59 PM
Last time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.

I didn't grow up watching pros at my non-existent skatepark. Now he's a regular at my local and I'm not sure if every pro is so consistently good or if CK1 is actually just the one of the best pro skaters who ever lived.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on December 20, 2023, 04:37:50 PM
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Last time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.
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I didn't grow up watching pros at my non-existent skatepark. Now he's a regular at my local and I'm not sure if every pro is so consistently good or if CK1 is actually just the one of the best pro skaters who ever lived.

I grew up skating in the Bay Area and came across many pros as a youth. He is one of the best, most gifted skateboarders I’ve ever seen iRL.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 20, 2023, 11:00:03 PM
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Last time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.
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I didn't grow up watching pros at my non-existent skatepark. Now he's a regular at my local and I'm not sure if every pro is so consistently good or if CK1 is actually just the one of the best pro skaters who ever lived.

Green Lake? I just moved to the suburbs a few months ago but I was seeing him there a lot when I lived there. Dude rips and is super nice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on December 22, 2023, 12:54:10 AM
Never tried the Ace hard bushings in Classics, always had them in Af1s. But boi do these feel awesome.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ggrimmedd on December 22, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
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I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
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There isn't much difference really in my opinion between 9 and 8.75" considering how well they lock in. I skate both axle sizes regularly.  What size and shape of a wheel do you have because it also matters. I dont think downsizing trucks will fix your issue.
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i ride full conicals in 58mm

Tbh it sounds more like adjustment than the sizing, the insane space made them lock in perfect if you crosslock correctly, but if you miss and your weight is off they'll shift like crazy. Wild beast to tame but it's worth.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Meathook on December 24, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Never tried the Ace hard bushings in Classics, always had them in Af1s. But boi do these feel awesome.

I’ve tried them in both, and feel the same.  I was tinkering with Indy’s but came back to ace and immediately switched the stock to hard bushings.  They feel so much more stable but still have the best turn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 24, 2023, 02:20:30 PM
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I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.

And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.

Ace specifically targets riders they hear are outta contract and just send boxes to whomever. When the AF1 dropped they did that and tons of people were on them for a bit and it generated good buzz.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 29, 2023, 03:59:52 AM
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.

I downsized from an 8.75 on classic 55’s to an 8.5 on classic 44’s because if I didn’t crosslock my back  fifty’s on chunky pool coping and had both trucks heelside, the board would fall into the transition. Downsizing fixed this, but I want that extra board under my feet…
Considering putting Indy 159 hangers on Ace classic baseplates to get that 8.75 sweet spot? Or maybe hot ridding the 9” 55’s on an 8.75 was the issue?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 29, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
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I downsized from an 8.75 on classic 55’s to an 8.5 on classic 44’s because if I didn’t crosslock my back  fifty’s on chunky pool coping and had both trucks heelside, the board would fall into the transition. Downsizing fixed this, but I want that extra board under my feet…
Considering putting Indy 159 hangers on Ace classic baseplates to get that 8.75 sweet spot? Or maybe hot ridding the 9” 55’s on an 8.75 was the issue?

Wider wheels? or AF1 60s? I know the Classics turn better but AF1s are still closer to Classics than Indys. You can also purchase just the hangers.

Also did you get a good groove going? Newer trucks don't lock in as well... I know you know that son.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 29, 2023, 11:27:45 AM
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I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
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I downsized from an 8.75 on classic 55’s to an 8.5 on classic 44’s because if I didn’t crosslock my back  fifty’s on chunky pool coping and had both trucks heelside, the board would fall into the transition. Downsizing fixed this, but I want that extra board under my feet…
Considering putting Indy 159 hangers on Ace classic baseplates to get that 8.75 sweet spot? Or maybe hot ridding the 9” 55’s on an 8.75 was the issue?
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Wider wheels? or AF1 60s? I know the Classics turn better but AF1s are still closer to Classics than Indys. You can also purchase just the hangers.

Also did you get a good groove going? Newer trucks don't lock in as well... I know you know that son.


Yeah mate gave it a good crack before I shelved them!

Been pretty happy on the 44’s, have ridden the rear truck to the axle, but I’m jealous of everyone’s big boy boards haha

I had no idea AF1 came in an 8.75” option, that changes everything! I’ve been living under a rock…

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 29, 2023, 11:33:37 AM
For sure. My fav trucks are Classic 55s but the size of the Af1 60s is perfect. .... If only there was a classic 60.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 29, 2023, 11:53:09 AM
I might just set up my 55 classics again with a wider wheel like you suggested, and on a wider deck, so my heel has more leverage beyond the pinch point. I was riding them on a 58mm tablet shape at the time

Edit: @Frank and Fred took your advice and ran conical fulls on the 55 classics, on a 9.5 Welcome egg. Only skated it in a steep 5ft bowl with metal coping, but feels like I can balance it on the heel side back truck very comfortably frontside and backside. I’ll skate a bowl with pool coping tomorrow, but it feels rock solid so far!

(https://imgur.com/UBmhpVP.png)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 02, 2024, 10:25:34 PM
Never ridden a Welcome myself but that setup looks real tidy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on January 02, 2024, 11:10:00 PM
Yeah man it’s a blast!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 03, 2024, 02:00:30 PM
Never ridden a Welcome myself but that setup looks real tidy.


That shape, as per pics in the 9+ boards thread, is a good one, also now on BBS so they feel a lot more comfortable to me as well.

I have a few Welcome shapes, including Golem 9.25 which is a more squared off shape than an egg, but that one, the Boline 2 is a good one as well, for those who like big wide egg shapes.  No comment on the graphics, but they can be removed if not to your liking.

More pics / info here in the big boards thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=97297.msg4137870#msg4137870

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 07, 2024, 07:31:21 AM
Is it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 07, 2024, 08:56:05 AM
Is it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.

i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 07, 2024, 10:09:22 AM
Is it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.

Ace will tell you no but anything is possible. Mofos mix and match brands. Bam is mixing a Thunder front with an Ace back truck. There are no rules. Be safe, grind hard and let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 07, 2024, 10:53:54 AM
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Ace will tell you no but anything is possible. Mofos mix and match brands. Bam is mixing a Thunder front with an Ace back truck. There are no rules. Be safe, grind hard and let us know how it goes.

I was in that belief they dont match because of slightly different geometry. But after a quick test, they function like classics. I'll report back whenever I get a proper session with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hiljentaa on January 07, 2024, 05:14:15 PM
Are Classics 52 or 53mm tall?
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Post by: pops on January 07, 2024, 09:07:40 PM
Are Classics 52 or 53mm tall?

52mm.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2024, 10:13:17 PM
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52mm.


That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.

Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)

Ace AF1 53 mm tall

Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.


https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on January 08, 2024, 02:58:48 PM
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i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.

This is such a funny call out. I am admittedly a truck hoarder, but I'm not a Dr. Truckenstein a la @PuffinMuffin 

The most i've done is put some ace hard bushings on AF1s, otherwise all my trucks are stock!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 08, 2024, 04:32:45 PM
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i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.
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This is such a funny call out. I am admittedly a truck hoarder, but I'm not a Dr. Truckenstein a la @PuffinMuffin 

The most i've done is put some ace hard bushings on AF1s, otherwise all my trucks are stock!


mistaken identity! i fucked up.
i thought it was you that was putting the ace hangers on the indy baseplate (bass-ackwards move imo, so now i hafta eeeextra apologize: my b!)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on January 08, 2024, 04:50:24 PM
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i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.
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This is such a funny call out. I am admittedly a truck hoarder, but I'm not a Dr. Truckenstein a la @PuffinMuffin 

The most i've done is put some ace hard bushings on AF1s, otherwise all my trucks are stock!
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mistaken identity! i fucked up.
i thought it was you that was putting the ace hangers on the indy baseplate (bass-ackwards move imo, so now i hafta eeeextra apologize: my b!)

I am a sicko, but I ain't THAT sick
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 12, 2024, 07:43:57 PM
I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on January 12, 2024, 07:46:28 PM
I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?

Yes. 100% do it. My ace lows with hards might be my favorite set of trucks right now

@big_kev_215 can corroborate
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 12, 2024, 07:53:30 PM
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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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Yes. 100% do it. My ace lows with hards might be my favorite set of trucks right now

@big_kev_215 can corroborate

Thanks for the confirmation! Just bought a set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 12, 2024, 09:15:28 PM
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52mm.
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That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.

Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)

Ace AF1 53 mm tall

Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.


https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart

It says 98mm actually, but 2,2".  ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lou Strux on January 12, 2024, 11:45:27 PM
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52mm.
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That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.

Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)

Ace AF1 53 mm tall

Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.


https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart
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It says 98mm actually, but 2,2".  ;D
I'm sorry... Come again?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on January 13, 2024, 04:26:44 AM
98mm is 3.8’ ?  Typo.

But yeah. 2.2” is 55mm. It’s off
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Your Ace data seems off. Here are the correct heights (and yes, the Ace website gives the wrong info):

Ace Classics 52 mm 
Ace AF1 53 mm
Ace AF1 Low 49 mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 13, 2024, 07:38:55 AM
98mm is 3.8’ ?  Typo.

But yeah. 2.2” is 55mm. It’s off
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Your Ace data seems off. Here are the correct heights (and yes, the Ace website gives the wrong info):

Ace Classics 52 mm 
Ace AF1 53 mm
Ace AF1 Low 49 mm
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Yeah it's a typo, the 98mm is the width of Classic 00 hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 13, 2024, 11:36:30 AM
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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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Yes. 100% do it. My ace lows with hards might be my favorite set of trucks right now

@big_kev_215 can corroborate
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Thanks for the confirmation! Just bought a set.

Agreed - I had Ace lows twice.  The first time was with the stock bushings and they were unskateably loose (I ride pretty loose trucks too and they weren’t working for me).  This time, per @BartHarleyJarvis ’s recommendation, I got the low hard bushings and it makes an incredible amount of difference.  I never tighten my trucks and I can now skate the lows with the kingpin nut flush and they’re totally skateable.  The trucks still turn great with the hard bushings.  Been skating this set for like five months and haven’t had any problems…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad Board on January 13, 2024, 12:39:08 PM
I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?

I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on January 13, 2024, 02:25:27 PM
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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.


I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2024, 02:35:32 PM
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Are Classics 52 or 53mm tall?
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52mm.
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That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.

Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)

Ace AF1 53 mm tall

Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.


https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart
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It says 98mm actually, but 2,2".  ;D


* Sorry probably late to the party again.


Is that on the mobile version?

It comes up like this on the computer version / on my computer, but that could also be a cached image:


(https://i.ibb.co/XJx95ZX/Ace-incorrect-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bs2m6VL)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2024, 02:52:06 PM
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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.
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I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1


I have definitely seen a few different things with new stock Ace truck bushings, some being so super squishy that just don't firm up at all it seemed, others that actually started off super stiff and then slowly softened up over time.  These all appeared to be the same bushings too, so it was a bit funny, all on boards that other people had set up.

Just had a roll on a few boards with second hand Ace trucks on them that I hadn't touched in a month and all the bushings felt really good, just right and nicely worn in which made me think that if I had some that I could have a few sessions on here and there, then leave for a bit, they would then feel way better when I got them out again.

Of course this doesn't work for most people - you get trucks, you need to skate, you don't have a session on a board and leave it for a month, etc.

My normal go to for any new bushings on any board is have a roll / session on my mini ramp, more just rolling, turning and wearing them in than anything else and they almost always come up so well after one or sometimes two sessions if they just didn't quite get there in the first session.

Other times putting in new bushings and then skating normally elsewhere, they often do weird things, sometimes split or crumble a bit, so just wearing any new bushings in very gently really does help to make them last well.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 13, 2024, 06:36:17 PM
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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.
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I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1

my biggest issue with ace, is that i cannot find a deck size that consistently yields decent pop for me.
af1 44s and i cannot ollie for shit.
ace classic 55s, however, are the shit. best pop
i’ve gotten out of any ace. not sure if it’s the wider setup more stability?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 13, 2024, 09:50:22 PM
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Are Classics 52 or 53mm tall?
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52mm.
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That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.

Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)

Ace AF1 53 mm tall

Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.


https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart
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It says 98mm actually, but 2,2".  ;D
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* Sorry probably late to the party again.


Is that on the mobile version?

It comes up like this on the computer version / on my computer, but that could also be a cached image:


(https://i.ibb.co/XJx95ZX/Ace-incorrect-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bs2m6VL)

Yes, on mobile version it says 98mm.

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I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.

They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
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I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.
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I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1
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my biggest issue with ace, is that i cannot find a deck size that consistently yields decent pop for me.
af1 44s and i cannot ollie for shit.
ace classic 55s, however, are the shit. best pop
i’ve gotten out of any ace. not sure if it’s the wider setup more stability?

Same. I get better pop overall stability on Classics. Af1 66s were so heavy I couldn't handle them anywhere. I keep Af1s 55 or 60 w/ hard bushings on my cruiser and Classic 55 are for everything else.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 14, 2024, 09:11:03 AM
Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...

I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued.  My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.

Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.

I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on January 14, 2024, 09:53:55 AM
Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...

I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued.  My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.

Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.

I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...

Did you like them more with the hard bushings? I set up a cruiser with classics and hard bushings but haven't ridden it yet. Ace be damned if they discontinue the classics.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 14, 2024, 10:02:48 AM
Yes but mainly b/c they are on a board with big wheels and I don't want to go bigger than 1/8" risers. Typically I prefer the stock bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 14, 2024, 05:01:30 PM
Following up, I put hard bottom and stock top bushings in my 60 lows and they feel great for me tightened a little less than flush with the kingpin. Had a really fun curb session after spending the majority of last year on 8-8.25 boards at parks. Still getting used to a larger setup but so far so good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ant on January 14, 2024, 11:28:46 PM
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I got the verniers out and measured everything I had laying around. This ended up the same geometry. Only tried it indoors and it felt kinda loose in the middle and quickly went into wheel lifting territory.

Took them out and put Ace hards in. I'm gonna get a 8.75 popsicle with a longer wheelbase than the Dane1 and try one last time to use these for transition.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on January 19, 2024, 12:37:00 AM
Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...

I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued.  My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.

Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.

I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...

When I had my 55 classics on an 8.75 popsicle I had the most pop I’ve had in my life. Unfortunately on the 9.5 Bolin 2 I’m finding I can’t pop for shit! I’m sure there’s not that much difference in the weight, not sure what I’m sucking so hard on this board 😪
Considering going 60 hollow AF1 and back to an 8.75…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 19, 2024, 02:49:20 AM
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Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...

I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued.  My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.

Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.

I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...
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When I had my 55 classics on an 8.75 popsicle I had the most pop I’ve had in my life. Unfortunately on the 9.5 Bolin 2 I’m finding I can’t pop for shit! I’m sure there’s not that much difference in the weight, not sure what I’m sucking so hard on this board 😪
Considering going 60 hollow AF1 and back to an 8.75…

classic 55s were my easiest popping ace experience. classic 44s i had one setup that worked, same with classic 33s.
af1 44s i’ve never had a lot of pop with.
something about those classic 55s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daydream on January 30, 2024, 05:10:15 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2sf5i7PC_P/?igsh=MTg5dnM0d2ZyN2dvMQ==
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on January 30, 2024, 06:30:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2sf5i7PC_P/?igsh=MTg5dnM0d2ZyN2dvMQ==

I saw this earlier and someone in the comments mentioned that AF1 low baseplates and AF1 standard hangers are compatible. Does anyone know what the height would be with this combo?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 30, 2024, 06:54:23 PM
Aren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...

Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on January 30, 2024, 09:04:38 PM
Aren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...

Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.

interesting if true.
the chop shop has me wanting to try some low baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kneebone on January 31, 2024, 06:32:14 AM
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Aren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...

Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.
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interesting if true.
the chop shop has me wanting to try some low baseplates
This is correct, the AF1 hanger is the same regardless of Low or Standard. It's only the baseplate configuration that makes a Low a low. I've been running hollow AF1 hangers (from standard height AF1s) on AF1 Low baseplates for over a year now (similar to the setup in that ig post, except for the weird bushing setup he's got going on) 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on January 31, 2024, 03:50:41 PM
I was surprised cause the AF1 is stronger but I rocked those 44 lows for awhile and went through two front baseplates cause the kingpins got loose as hell. I know their warranty is great and they've sorted be out before but I never bothered. Frankentrucking these days. Those 55 lows in that post look sexy as hell :-*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: herecomesaregular on January 31, 2024, 04:56:48 PM
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Brad Breath on January 31, 2024, 04:59:53 PM
I, too, have been running low baseplates and hollow AF-1 hangers for a while. 

Make sure to get the low bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: In A Jar on February 01, 2024, 06:38:31 AM
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)

Got me curious about hollow Slappy hanger on af1 low baseplate.  Or maybe Slappy lows will exist by the time I can skate again
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 01, 2024, 04:00:24 PM
I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective)  I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?

i mean, i haven’t had the problems some have had with ace. the classics used to bend, and it just never really bothered me.
the pivot cups on my af1s are too loose, but other than that, the trucks have seemed quality.
as to why you keep buying them: i used to break venture featherlights. and then just buy more venture featherlights. the design was what i wanted.
if i was skating a dad board, rails and slappies and that, id probably use ace too. its $60 bucks who gives a shit. i can’t walk outside without spending $20 on something i don’t even like .


edit*** most reasonable would give a shit. i’m always broke because i’m willing to spend whatever on fleeting happiness
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad Board on February 01, 2024, 04:18:24 PM
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I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective)  I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?
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i mean, i haven’t had the problems some have had with ace. the classics used to bend, and it just never really bothered me.
the pivot cups on my af1s are too loose, but other than that, the trucks have seemed quality.
as to why you keep buying them: i used to break venture featherlights. and then just buy more venture featherlights. the design was what i wanted.
if i was skating a dad board, rails and slappies and that, id probably use ace too. its $60 bucks who gives a shit. i can’t walk outside without spending $20 on something i don’t even like .


edit*** most reasonable would give a shit. i’m always broke because i’m willing to spend whatever on fleeting happiness

Ok so after raging for a solid 20 minutes I decided to try again. I rethreaded the axle in a desperate attempt to make them work even though that technically shouldn’t fix this issue, then I dug around my scrap parts box for a few random axle nuts and magically found one that was tight enough to stay on, which is why I came back and deleted my post. I’m still bummed that I’ve had this issue 3 times on 3 separate trucks but if the wheel stays on that’s all I’m asking for. I love the geometry and feel of AF1’s so I’m happy they’re working.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 01, 2024, 04:20:44 PM
I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective)  I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?


That's a very cheap and easy fix. New nylock axle nuts. $1.50 for all four should do it...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: herecomesaregular on February 01, 2024, 04:59:20 PM
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Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)
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Got me curious about hollow Slappy hanger on af1 low baseplate.  Or maybe Slappy lows will exist by the time I can skate again

Give it a shot! Should work the same as others using af-1 standard on low baseplate
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 01, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
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I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective)  I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?
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That's a very cheap and easy fix. New nylock axle nuts. $1.50 for all four should do it...


It's a funny one, cause some people I know have had so many problems with the Ace nuts, so they keep a supply of normal nuts and swap them out right away, never using the Ace rethreading nuts at all.

The company have said they have upgraded to a longer lasting nyloc on their nuts now, or maybe for future truck deliveries, maybe not what is in shops now, so it is a valid point and they are aware of it.

At least compared to some other issues, it sure is the easiest thing to fix, compared to with kingpins coming loose, or pivot cups / pivot areas blowing out and bending the baseplate, hangers bending or axle slip.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FatGuy92 on February 01, 2024, 11:01:27 PM
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Aren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...

Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.
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interesting if true.
the chop shop has me wanting to try some low baseplates
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This is correct, the AF1 hanger is the same regardless of Low or Standard. It's only the baseplate configuration that makes a Low a low. I've been running hollow AF1 hangers (from standard height AF1s) on AF1 Low baseplates for over a year now (similar to the setup in that ig post, except for the weird bushing setup he's got going on)

Thanks all for the clarifications!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dmng on February 04, 2024, 11:28:17 AM
I also had to change my wheel bolts on AF1 as I could turn two bolts bare hands. Very cheap change because my local skate shop gave me the bolt for free but it’s a shame to over engineer those bolts if they don’t really do the simple job
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rick Trapasso on February 05, 2024, 06:06:34 AM
I also had to change my wheel bolts axle nuts on AF1 as I could turn two bolts nuts bare hands. Very cheap change because my local skate shop gave me the bolt nut for free but it’s a shame to over engineer those bolts nuts if they don’t really do the simple job

And yea, i agree the rethreading mechanism worked into the nut was silly. Def an instance of overengineering. The rethreading die that came with the trucks was enough.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dmng on February 05, 2024, 06:21:53 AM
Sorry English is not my native language, thanks for the correction :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Rick Trapasso on February 05, 2024, 07:26:58 AM
Sorry English is not my native language, thanks for the correction :)

no apology necessary!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tiltmode Army Reservist on February 08, 2024, 04:19:51 AM
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)

I just inverted the kingpins on a set of AF-1 Baseplates with the intention of putting them on my cruiser with AF-1 hangers, but now I'm thinking of combining them with the Slappy hangers on my main setup. Thank you for sharing this; I can't wait to give this combination a go. If it works for me, I'll either buy another set of AF-1 baseplates for my cruiser, or see if that Slappy baseplate works with an AF-1 hanger. If not, I'll put the hangers back with the baseplates they left the factory with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dmng on February 08, 2024, 08:26:27 AM
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)

So they behave just the same except the grinding being better ? Interesting ! Slappy hollow would make ace quite a bit lighter as well right ? If I’m right there is a 40g difference between ace af1 and slapping hollow, would it be mostly in the hangers ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: herecomesaregular on February 08, 2024, 04:52:24 PM
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Yup as far as I can tell it feels exactly the same way for turns/pop/etc but grinds faster/longer/easier. Not sure on weight but my af-1s are hollow so…
So they behave just the same except the grinding being better ? Interesting ! Slappy hollow would make ace quite a bit lighter as well right ? If I’m right there is a 40g difference between ace af1 and slapping hollow, would it be mostly in the hangers ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ridethegutter on February 14, 2024, 12:26:38 PM
I just tried out the slappy hollow hanger with the ace low baseplate. It actually feels pretty nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 14, 2024, 07:08:16 PM
jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 14, 2024, 07:15:38 PM
jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em

They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 14, 2024, 07:24:54 PM
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whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.

is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 14, 2024, 07:30:23 PM
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jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
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is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same height
lows are different in the hangers

i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 14, 2024, 08:16:40 PM
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jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
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is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
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@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same height
lows are different in the hangers

i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck

maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 14, 2024, 08:23:44 PM
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jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
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is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
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@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same height
lows are different in the hangers

i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck
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maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.

As far as I can tell from mine, the baseplate is the same as standard AF1. I sent some pictures to munchbox but I unfortunately don’t own any calipers to confirm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dstrytruitt on February 14, 2024, 08:24:41 PM
Picking up my first set of Ace AF1s this weekend. Lifelong Indy guy to this point. Stoked to try them out on tranny.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 14, 2024, 08:50:01 PM
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jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
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is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
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@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same height
lows are different in the hangers

i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck
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maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.
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As far as I can tell from mine, the baseplate is the same as standard AF1. I sent some pictures to munchbox but I unfortunately don’t own any calipers to confirm

According to JT's chop shop it looks like the baseplates are different but the hangers are the same between AF1s and AF1 lows.

https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop (https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on February 15, 2024, 06:06:20 AM
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jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
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They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
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is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.

and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.

i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
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@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same height
lows are different in the hangers

i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck
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maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.
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As far as I can tell from mine, the baseplate is the same as standard AF1. I sent some pictures to munchbox but I unfortunately don’t own any calipers to confirm

Yea the baseplates are different, you can interchange hangars, I’ve been riding my set since they came, Ace hard bushings and I’ve been pretty happy with them, was riding venture before the metal is softer but the turn even with the lows is nice, Jordan trahan has switched back to the highs, that video of him was one of the reason I wanted a pair too, asked him a couple questions over dm (like a man) and he said he was back on the highs, I however have the lows and live them, I skate mellow boards though and am mostly low impact
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 15, 2024, 10:01:01 AM
Hi All, this is my mea culpa. Muncbbox actually had me compare the ace low baseplate to a different truck brand. I linned up my AF1 standards and my AF1 lows and they're clearly different. I was thinking they were te same since the Ace Low baseplate isn't like a super tin forged baseplate but you can see from the photos they're totally different. My bad!

That being said, I still love my AF1 lows with the hard bushings. Great turn with some added stability.

(https://i.imgur.com/5d6wYmN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bB8MhYQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 15, 2024, 10:07:08 AM
Thanks for the comparison pic @BartHarleyJarvis

I'd love to try some Ace lows. I hear for low trucks they still turn really well...

Alas, I am not a light individual and will likely die on my first kick flop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 15, 2024, 10:24:14 AM
Thanks for the comparison pic @BartHarleyJarvis

I'd love to try some Ace lows. I hear for low trucks they still turn really well...

Alas, I am not a light individual and will likely die on my first kick flop.

I have mine set up with 53mm radials and I'm a heavier dude and it really as not been much an issue for me. ymmv of course but that's my experience.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on February 15, 2024, 12:46:49 PM
with the ace classic lows, a buddy setup some 03s, with like 54s or something. i was laughing at him calling him an idiot, which he did not appreciate, he is very sensitive.
but he skated fine on them. he’s also super good so whatever.

what i’m trying to say is that i believe that the ace lows have some wheelbite forgiveness.



what aces does Jacopo use? man i want to know his setup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: logjammin on February 15, 2024, 03:14:34 PM
I fucked with the AF1 lows for awhile with 1/8" risers under 'em and some 52mm wheels. Kingpin clearance is better than the hi's which is crazy. I got loose kingpins quickly on two baseplates though, that was pretty bogus considering they're supposed to be stronger than classics. That's how trahan runs his though, with the risers. Brings em up to standard classics height. They definitely turn better than any low truck ever made but even with risers and small wheels I still got plenty of bite. Better to just run some hi's+risers if you want max turning.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 15, 2024, 04:59:06 PM
what bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: toe_knee on February 15, 2024, 07:27:15 PM
what bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me

Wanna say bones fit if I’m not mistaken, I just run the hard and got used to them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 15, 2024, 09:38:11 PM
what bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me

I believe Independent barrels are only 1mm taller. I use Ace low bushings in my Indys and they’re almost identical in size
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Scottboarding on February 15, 2024, 10:20:03 PM
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I believe Independent barrels are only 1mm taller. I use Ace low bushings in my Indys and they’re almost identical in size
Indy barrels would probably be the best replacement. They’re taller but the closest overall option I know of.

From the bushing thread:
Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

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Total without washer a hair over 24 mm

Top about or just under 11 mm, maybe 10.5

Bottom about or just over 13 mm, maybe 13.5

Flat washer just under one mm
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: munchbox on February 16, 2024, 02:36:23 AM
thanks for all the answers pals
will try to snag a pair on sale or in the classifieds
last time i bought a new set of trucks i paid $45-50

$60-70 plus bushings can definitely wait for now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2024, 03:35:25 AM
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Glad some of that bushing info has been helpful.


I was curious and went to have a look at the JT's chop shop, which is pretty cool, although some of the main truck sizes show "Sold out" for the 8.75 and 9" polished hangers.

https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop


At least if you were getting specific things, that would be helpful, otherwise having to get a regular set of AF1 trucks and then get a separate set of low baseplates to mix and match is a bit of a pain.

I didn't see anything besides AF1 55s in the classified ads either, but someone might have something that works.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Can he read on March 11, 2024, 11:03:43 AM
Was just window shopping at skatewarehouse and saw these, can’t find any info on them anywhere and they’re not even on ACE’s website. I am so bummed they don’t have an 8.75 but I’m tempted to buy them just because BA is the man. Also a deeds pro truck? Wonder if skate warehouse has them listed early on accident or something


https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_AF1_LTD_BA_Truck/descpage-ACLAHL.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_AF1_LTD_BA_Truck/descpage-ACLAHL.html)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GhxQJsvn/IMG-0912.jpg)
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: art hellman on March 11, 2024, 11:51:20 AM
I have a set of AF1 low baseplates w/ ACE low bushings (NO HANGERS) that I'll sell for $25 (includes shipping) to anyone in the USA lower 48. 

LOW BASEPLATES/BUSHINGS SOLD

I also have a pair of regular AF1s 55 (complete trucks) that I'll sell for $40 (includes shipping).

Or bundle them together for $60 (includes shipping). 

PM Me

I'll prob make a Classifieds post in the next couple of weeks with a bunch of trucks (various brands). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2024, 12:49:02 PM
10" Hollows

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4X8TcGMF3a/?igsh=NzBmMjdhZWRiYQ==
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 11, 2024, 02:52:08 PM
@art hellman appreciate the shout and offer but I think the next Ace I will purchase will be the (seemingly) resized Classic 55s!

According to their new sizing chart on IG stories, the Classic 55s are now 151mm Hanger and 8.625 axle.... Yas!

(https://i.imgur.com/5INE9Q8.jpeg)

Gonna confuse the shit out of people again. I love it.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 11, 2024, 03:10:20 PM
@art hellman appreciate the shout and offer but I think the next Ace I will purchase will be the (seemingly) resized Classic 55s!

According to their new sizing chart on IG stories, the Classic 55s are now 151mm Hanger and 8.625 axle.... Yas!

(https://i.imgur.com/5INE9Q8.jpeg)

Gonna confuse the shit out of people again. I love it.

i saw that. man i want some again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pops on March 11, 2024, 10:09:28 PM
If true, that’s a great size for the classics and I'll gladly get a pair.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 12, 2024, 08:26:40 AM
Can you imagine what its going to be like ordering them?

No I don't want the 8.5" 55s, nope not the the 9" 55s, I want the 8.625" 55s, please....

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Weezil on March 12, 2024, 11:01:59 AM
ace is the most fried company lol, but I'm hyped they finally did a size in between the 44s and the 55s, it was just too big of a jump imo if you thought the 44s were too small.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 12, 2024, 11:29:45 AM
Just DM'd Ace (like a man) to see if these re-tooled sizes on the Classics is a thing or just more Size Chart confusion...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: texastoast on March 12, 2024, 11:37:22 AM
Just flew out joey tershay (like an actual real man) to see if these re-tooled sizes on the Classics is a thing or just more Size Chart confusion

will get back in 4 business days
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 12, 2024, 11:42:02 AM
Just flew out joey tershay (like an actual real man) to see if these re-tooled sizes on the Classics is a thing or just more Size Chart confusion

will get back in 4 business days


Jah bless and funny as he just posted a size chart with a the original-not original sizing. this will be a rocky ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fartknocker415 on March 12, 2024, 02:50:23 PM
ace is the most fried company lol, but I'm hyped they finally did a size in between the 44s and the 55s, it was just too big of a jump imo if you thought the 44s were too small.

why does ace being most fried company appeal to me lollll

I’m fried
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2024, 04:16:24 PM
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I wonder how many people are dashing out now to get any remaining stock of the old 9" or the 9.35" sized trucks.

The 9" no big deal as the new ones are that, but the 9.35" size...  oh my.


For people who don't like change, this could be the end of an era, or a whole new beginning, if they do change up their sizes.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 12, 2024, 10:07:51 PM
Looks like a false alarm… all charts have been updated…
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ok on March 12, 2024, 11:14:31 PM
well damn.

still don’t understand why i was able to ollie so much better on the 55 classics
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 13, 2024, 10:28:53 PM
Looks like a false alarm… all charts have been updated…


So they are still the same, no changes?


* Sorry I didn't go looking.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 14, 2024, 08:06:42 AM
Hard to say. maybe its somethings that's happening eventually but they took that new size chart down and replaced it with a chart reflecting the sizes we are familiar with. I'm carrying on with life as normal for now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on March 14, 2024, 08:28:28 AM
I can’t imagine they would go through all the trouble of new molds for Classics at this point in the life cycle of the truck - seems like the focus is almost entirely AF1 these days and Classics just continue to exist as a “legacy” model.

But hey crazier things have happened.