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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Snake Eyes on April 30, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
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Off the team page and off the cold war site. I never thought about posting here until I saw that no one mentioned this. Does anyone know what happened?
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Josiah thought he was gay.
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Damn. John is sick.
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OIAM 2012 happened
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Refused to wear size 22 Lee jeans, bright orange beanie, and nose blunt an over pass three times.
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This can't be right, just last week Jaime said on here that John was one of the dudes with the most footage.
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Josiah thought he was gay.
This made me laugh
Not saying he's off, but he would fit on Toy Machine.
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Wow thats fucking weird... Either he got a gnarly offer or he fucked up somewhere
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he's been on that eswic tour with temps and former rvca dudes
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I know that he sometimes films with ty. Its possible he got drafted for the girl/chocolate vid
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Hardly a loss.
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Josiah thought he was gay.
Not saying he's off, but he would fit on Toy Machine.
i can see that,
hes got the eswic leo/ed connection
plus the toy team is "short" (11) compared to other brands that have 184395543 dudes on
not to mention the possible retirement of stephens since hes the rvca tm or even diego handling nike sb argentina,
but i dont see that really happening
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If Forrest still getting Toy boards? How cool would that be if those dudes ended up on the same team?
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really weird if real
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(http://www.dlxsf.com/spring12/sfd3/SPITFIRE/d3/sf-cat-spring12-3-fitz.jpg)
He'll land on something else. This trick sequence on the Spitfire ad was sick.
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John Fitzgerald of zero?
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Alien workshop
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Alien workshop
this or real
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I know that he sometimes films with ty. Its possible he got drafted for the girl/chocolate vid
Yeah I highly doubt that.
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maybe someone who posts here and runs said company can enlighten us
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I know that he sometimes films with ty. Its possible he got drafted for the girl/chocolate vid
Why would they put on a BA clone that can't skate switch?
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i always thought he was pretty wack. and that he fit on zero. :-\
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Hardly a loss.
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Hardly saw any footy. Why should we care?
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ed hook forrest up!
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all of you saying you don't care, you're crazy. john rips, met him at woodward skated everything all day every day and one of the nicest dudes. and the hill bomb in oiam is still one of the gnarliest ones ever, i hope he gets on toy machine that'd be rad.... he doesn't fit on zero.
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slap circa 2005-2006 would say:
nice fit on krooked/stereo/rasa libre.
honestly though, i hope it was an error, or that he does end up toy. he would bring back a lot of that og toy vibe with his skating. trade billy marks to jamie thomas for john fitzgerald.
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foreal, I'm totally better than this guy, I should be getting hooked up big time!
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Yeah I hope that isnt right i wanna see his footy in Cold War.
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(http://www.dlxsf.com/spring12/sfd3/SPITFIRE/d3/sf-cat-spring12-3-fitz.jpg)
He'll land on something else. This trick sequence on the Spitfire ad was sick.
DAMN
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THIS DUDE STOLE FORREST EDWARDS SPOTLIGHT. WE FUCK WITH FORREST EDWARDS
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FREE MAX B
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What the fuck is goin on here!?!?
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What the fuck is goin on here!?!?
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slap circa 2005-2006 would say:
nice fit on krooked/stereo/rasa libre.
honestly though, i hope it was an error, or that he does end up toy. he would bring back a lot of that og toy vibe with his skating. trade billy marks to jamie thomas for john fitzgerald.
Agreed.
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I would assume Alien because him and Donovan are good friends but I could also see Toy Machine. This is pretty weird though.
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would be funny if he got extended
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would be funny if he got extended
dude is 6'4" already. wait, what?
seriously though, i can't believe that verb has new meaning
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would be funny if he got extended extented
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I don't care much for him but for a guy who just got on a company a couple of months ago, that looks bad.
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ISUCK! Come on. Enlighten us.
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
weird what didnt you like about him back then ?, dude was killing it back then too and was super fun to watch
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ISUCK! Come on. Enlighten us.
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Pretty certain that he is starting a new company with Fabian Alomar.
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THIS DUDE STOLE FORREST EDWARDS SPOTLIGHT. WE FUCK WITH FORREST EDWARDS
FREE MAX B
Amen to that.
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
weird what didnt you like about him back then ?, dude was killing it back then too and was super fun to watch
I don't know. I'm sure part of it is because I am a bigger fan of AWS than Mystery, so him getting on there made me take notice, especially because Giblert got on Mystery when they were in that phase of adding a bunch of people that eventually fell off, so I partially chalked him up to that. I just rewatched his 'Ride The Sky" part and it was better than I remember, but his more recent footage looks like a more powerful/faster/grown up version of his Black Box self. Like, you could tell that he was going to be good and him leaving Black Box just coincided with his huge maturation in ability.
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
weird what didnt you like about him back then ?, dude was killing it back then too and was super fun to watch
I don't know. I'm sure part of it is because I am a bigger fan of AWS than Mystery, so him getting on there made me take notice, especially because Giblert got on Mystery when they were in that phase of adding a bunch of people that eventually fell off, so I partially chalked him up to that. I just rewatched his 'Ride The Sky" part and it was better than I remember, but his more recent footage looks like a more powerful/faster/grown up version of his Black Box self. Like, you could tell that he was going to be good and him leaving Black Box just coincided with his huge maturation in ability.
Admit it, you like him more now bc he looks more hip and its cool to like him now. he was way more doing his own thing when he rode for blackbox, now he seems to be fitting the modern AWS role/look.
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I did admit that. It's funny that you say that because when he was on Black Box, he was fitting that mold a lot too. Skating a lot of rails and not doing as much lines. He even said that he felt pressured to skate a way he didn't want to while on Mystery whereas now that he's on AWS, he feels like his skating is a better reflection of himself. What really got me stoked on him was all of his KOTR footage and that ride on grind gap grind in that TWS issue.
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Off the team page and off the cold war site. I never thought about posting here until I saw that no one mentioned this. Does anyone know what happened?
Was he ever on those sites? �Black Box site still lists Windsor, Schultz, and Hardy as ams, Elissa is still listed as a pro.
OMG! NO TOM K ON THE TEAM PAGE! �WHY KICK HIM OF ZERO! FML! �
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Off the team page and off the cold war site. I never thought about posting here until I saw that no one mentioned this. Does anyone know what happened?
OMG! NO TOM K ON THE TEAM PAGE! �WHY KICK HIM OF ZERO! FML! �
No the Black Box site has everything right. I dont know what site you are looking at.
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Off the team page and off the cold war site. I never thought about posting here until I saw that no one mentioned this. Does anyone know what happened?
OMG! NO TOM K ON THE TEAM PAGE! �WHY KICK HIM OF ZERO! FML! �
No the Black Box site has everything right. I dont know what site you are looking at.
http://blackboxdist.com/teamroom/am.php (http://blackboxdist.com/teamroom/am.php)
http://blackboxdist.com/teamroom/pro.php (http://blackboxdist.com/teamroom/pro.php)
http://www.zeroskateboards.com/team/elissa-steamer.php (http://www.zeroskateboards.com/team/elissa-steamer.php)
These are old,obviously, and you're correct that an updated site exists.
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huge loss for zero IMO...the site has been undergoing work lately but i just checked the updated page and he is still missing, im assuming AWS/toy with the rest of you.
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you're all clearly wrong he's obviously on DGK. its the perfect fit
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Refused to wear size 22 Lee jeans, bright orange beanie, and nose blunt an over pass three times.
this
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I think his career, or LIFE will have some sort of EXTENSION if he were to stay at Zero....
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he will definitely land somewhere........to good not too.
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
weird what didnt you like about him back then ?, dude was killing it back then too and was super fun to watch
I don't know. I'm sure part of it is because I am a bigger fan of AWS than Mystery, so him getting on there made me take notice, especially because Giblert got on Mystery when they were in that phase of adding a bunch of people that eventually fell off, so I partially chalked him up to that. I just rewatched his 'Ride The Sky" part and it was better than I remember, but his more recent footage looks like a more powerful/faster/grown up version of his Black Box self. Like, you could tell that he was going to be good and him leaving Black Box just coincided with his huge maturation in ability.
Admit it, you like him more now bc he looks more hip and its cool to like him now. he was way more doing his own thing when he rode for blackbox, now he seems to be fitting the modern AWS role/look.
Nah, Gilbert was boring on mystery. Whether he got better or his story is similar to Omar moving from foundation to Alien, he is much more fun to watch now.
Who said John acted like he never gave a fuck, and where did you get that from? He won a week long contest to get sponsored- that's giving a fuck!
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He is following Alien Workshop instead of Zero now on Instagram
it's pretty hard to fit that i don't give a fuck mentality that dude has when you have an instagram
i'm a fan... but i'm just saying
If he goes to AWS, maybe he'll pull a Crockett and become more fun to watch after. Not a dig at Jamie, I just didn't care about Gilbert until he got on Vans and AWS.
weird what didnt you like about him back then ?, dude was killing it back then too and was super fun to watch
I don't know. I'm sure part of it is because I am a bigger fan of AWS than Mystery, so him getting on there made me take notice, especially because Giblert got on Mystery when they were in that phase of adding a bunch of people that eventually fell off, so I partially chalked him up to that. I just rewatched his 'Ride The Sky" part and it was better than I remember, but his more recent footage looks like a more powerful/faster/grown up version of his Black Box self. Like, you could tell that he was going to be good and him leaving Black Box just coincided with his huge maturation in ability.
Admit it, you like him more now bc he looks more hip and its cool to like him now. he was way more doing his own thing when he rode for blackbox, now he seems to be fitting the modern AWS role/look.
Who said John acted like he never gave a fuck, and where did you get that from? He won a week long contest to get sponsored- that's giving a fuck!
(http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-no-no-no-Jason-Bateman.gif)
He's definitely progressed since then but he was always super fun to watch.
Tomboman Gilbert Crockett (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo-I-PtRQe0#)
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he will definitely land somewhere........to good not too.
Bro, being good at skateboarding is like 40% of it. Get with the times.
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I think his career, or LIFE will have some sort of EXTENSION if he were to stay at Zero....
what are you trying to say?
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I think his career, or LIFE will have some sort of EXTENSION if he were to stay at Zero....
what are you trying to say?
He's trying to say that nobody likes you, Victor.
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To be honest, you wouldn't think that he would have much chance get a board on Zero, I mean a pro board. He definately rips, dont get me wrong but I think he has a better chance of making some cash elsewhere.
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Crossing my fingers he lands on Selfish!
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To be honest, you wouldn't think that he would have much chance get a board on Zero, I mean a pro board. He definately rips, dont get me wrong but I think he has a better chance of making some cash elsewhere.
Hot boy machine.
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he is most likely quiting dickies to get on eswic too
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selfish or bust.
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
(http://boiltheocean.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/crockett.jpg?w=450&h=547)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
No, his style of skating matured, now please go drink a gallon of pee.
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The spots Gilbert skates are a lot cooler now, as opposed to the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery. Not to mention that his footage is edited way cooler now, too.
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The spots Gilbert skates are a lot cooler now, as opposed to the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery. Not to mention that his footage is edited way cooler now, too.
Yawn. You're debating brand aesthetics, not skating. Are you all a bunch of 15 year old girls?
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The spots Gilbert skates are a lot cooler now, as opposed to the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery. Not to mention that his footage is edited way cooler now, too.
Yawn. You're debating brand aesthetics, not skating. Are you all a bunch of 15 year old girls?
no, he's talking about skate spots, not brand aesthetics. Are you a twelve year old person? The spots a person skates are skate spots, the logos and images of a company are brand aesthetics. Do you understand the very obvious difference between the two, or are you stuck on autopilot, automatically claiming that whatever anybody says, that they are really talking about brand aesthetics?
What it sounds like is that you are concerned so much with brand image that you are trying to hate him simply for being on a "cool company," which is way lamer than liking somebody for that reason.
Its okay that you don't get it, you'll figure it out someday....
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
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The spots Gilbert skates are a lot cooler now, as opposed to the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery. Not to mention that his footage is edited way cooler now, too.
Yawn. You're debating brand aesthetics, not skating. Are you all a bunch of 15 year old girls?
you seem really fucking dumb, you remind me of some skateboarder that has a similar name to your username. ( not debating if the skater in question is good or bad)
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Please put down the skateboard, and get the fuck out.
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Please put down the skateboard, and get the fuck out.
Fuck off, Fan-of-Dill. Isn't there a Team Handsome thread that urgently needs your attention?
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
you are fucking regular
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
you are fucking regular
I second this you fucking idiot.
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i dont know if this has been said yet or not but what if john came to jamie about the one in a million interview and asked if he would do it, not knowing what he was getting himself or jamie into. because everyone associated w that show is getting blasted, and you could tell just by the way jamie was talking, that he wasnt talking about the shows stupid challeneges, but the hardships of ACTUALLY being a pro. he might be pissed he was involved and blames it on john
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i dont know if this has been said yet or not but what if john came to jamie about the one in a million interview and asked if he would do it, not knowing what he was getting himself or jamie into. because everyone associated w that show is getting blasted, and you could tell just by the way jamie was talking, that he wasnt talking about the shows stupid challeneges, but the hardships of ACTUALLY being a pro. he might be pissed he was involved and blames it on john
If something like that happened, which I doubt it did, it would be an incredibly weak move on Jamie's part.
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
you are fucking regular
I second this you fucking idiot.
Cosigned. That is the single dumbest post I've seen in months.
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I'm surprised so many guys didn't like gilbert when he was on mystery. He had the best part in their promo, he is better now, but he had the same amazing style and went fast as fuck always.
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the gil's always been good
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Well, as pointed out, you are regular, so thinks which sure sound like something to you often are not. Skate spots are not just an aesthetic choice, they are the obstacle the person is skating. Wow you are stupid.
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according to this video tom karangelov is still expecting a fitz 'cold war' part..........
http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7879549/zero-tom-karangelov (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7879549/zero-tom-karangelov)
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the gil's always been good
We're not saying he hasn't always been good, just that out interest in him grew.
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
No, his style of skating matured, now please go drink a gallon of pee.
i definitely think the hipster makeover and him riding for a popular company have a lot to do with how ppl percieve him now.
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
No, his style of skating matured, now please go drink a gallon of pee.
i definitely think the hipster makeover and him riding for a popular company have a lot to do with how ppl percieve him now.
mystery isnt a popular brand?
how is he a hipster?
i think its stuff like switch flipping up a six stair that makes people notice him.
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
No, his style of skating matured, now please go drink a gallon of pee.
i definitely think the hipster makeover and him riding for a popular company have a lot to do with how ppl percieve him now.
His style of skating has undeniably matured but that happens naturally for everyone or at least most. And I do agree, the way you dress and who you ride for adds to how people perceive you. In the end, it is all business.
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okay so back on topic, where the fuck is isuck?
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(http://davidgalletly.com/storage/post-images/gilbert-crockett-switch-kickflip.gif?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1326626910834)
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okay so back on topic, where the fuck is isuck?
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Lines with a flatground trick, followed by a stair/rail/gap
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Please put down the skateboard, and get the fuck out.
Fuck off, Fan-of-Dill. Isn't there a Team Handsome thread that urgently needs your attention?
how can you not fux with the purple? one of the best names on this forum
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maybe you meant to put up a different image, but those look like stairs to me. I get what your saying, just being a dick
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This is a completely different way to skate stairs...
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Yeah. Companies don't feature certain kinds of skating deliberately as part of an image or anything.
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Skate spots ('not the stair/rail variety when he was on Mystery') and tasteful editing sure sound like aesthetic choices to me.
I didn't think he was great on Mystery and I don't think he's great now. If AWS/Vans is enough to give you an indie rock street cred boner, by all means, enjoy your marketing.
Yeah. Companies don't feature certain kinds of skating deliberately as part of an image or anything.
Ok, so we agree his skating is different?
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Nah. I think most of you are brand name hoes who only like skaters if they ride for the right company.
I'll have to go re-watch some Crockett footy and see if there's something I missed.
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whoops! must have clicked on the wrong link.....
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okay so back on topic, where the fuck is isuck?
Unfortunately, I think he may wait until official statements have been made before spilling all the details with SLAP
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gilbert is sicker now but, it's just the same dude with different clothes & spots. he's always been rad. remember that dude that kickflip frontside nosegrinded the rincon hubba? same dude that did a back smith kickflip over on a flat bar? i'm not saying i wouldn't rather watch a switch flip up a 6 or any of his more recent footage, just saying that i've always liked him & i do agree the make-over won a lot of people's favor.
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Based on the massive amount of dorky (though still gnarly) footage he puts out I think it's fair to say the dude doesn't take himself too seriously so maybe the term "make over" is a little misleading. Dude bought some new clothes, it's been a couple of years its not like every other pro is wearing exactly the same gear as they were in 2008, it's hardly a big deal. He has been skating better of late then he was on mystery/fallen I imagine its because he is spending more time in richmond or its better vibes in the alien/vans van or whatever I very much doubt its anything to do with his new little hat or whatever it is you're tripping out about.
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He's pretty much always skated and looked exactly the same. He has just gotten more exposure lately. I think he was in the spotlight more while on Vans and Alien. Mystery and Fallen didn't seem to promote him as much.
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I remember reading an interview a while back where Gilbert said Jamie didn't want him on the team because Jamie thought he skated like Gideon Choi. His style kind of had to grow on me. At first I thought he just looked like he was skating with a load in his pants, but after a while I began to really dig it (especially since no one else I have ever seen skates like that). Ride The Sky would have just been another Zero video without him. He has definitely gotten even better since that though.
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the gil's always been good
Damn !!! She fine
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I remember reading an interview a while back where Gilbert said Jamie didn't want him on the team because Jamie thought he skated like Gideon Choi.
??? dude was sick, best switch tres in lines.
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I remember reading an interview a while back where Gilbert said Jamie didn't want him on the team because Jamie thought he skated like Gideon Choi.
AVE
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I remember reading an interview a while back where Gilbert said Jamie didn't want him on the team because Jamie thought he skated like Gideon Choi.
had a good front noseslide too. what happened to that guy?
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I'm not 100 percent sure whether Gilbert is goofy or regs, but I think thats switch... Not sure. Someone help?
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I'm not 100 percent sure whether Gilbert is goofy or regs, but I think thats switch... Not sure. Someone help?
As stated before, that was switch
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Crockett is still meh if you aren't an AWS fanboy
You aint from around these parts are you?
or maybe you're just fucking stupid
Some of you have admitted it. It's the same stuff as when he was on Mystery, he just has the cool guy brand stamp of approval now
It's not like in the time gap from then to now he couldn't progress or anything...
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I'm not 100 percent sure whether Gilbert is goofy or regs, but I think thats switch... Not sure. Someone help?
As stated before, that was switch
I think it was fakie.
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I'm not 100 percent sure whether Gilbert is goofy or regs, but I think thats switch... Not sure. Someone help?
As stated before, that was switch
I think it was fakie.
my sweett dear
i love the way he bends and releases all of his tension in one ferocious display
bravo
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Nah, Gilbert was boring on mystery.
I agree with you on a lot of things but this is the biggest load of keyboard diarrhea i've ever had the displeasure of reading
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He's pretty much always skated and looked exactly the same. He has just gotten more exposure lately. I think he was in the spotlight more while on Vans and Alien. Mystery and Fallen didn't seem to promote him as much.
i just watched his mystery part and im not seeing this makeover either. is this like when mailbu stacy got a new hat?
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He's pretty much always skated and looked exactly the same. He has just gotten more exposure lately. I think he was in the spotlight more while on Vans and Alien. Mystery and Fallen didn't seem to promote him as much.
i just watched his mystery part and im not seeing this makeover either. is this like when mailbu stacy got a new hat?
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Gilbert Crockett - Ride the Sky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhoChYgq_hU#)
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He's pretty much always skated and looked exactly the same. He has just gotten more exposure lately. I think he was in the spotlight more while on Vans and Alien. Mystery and Fallen didn't seem to promote him as much.
i just watched his mystery part and im not seeing this makeover either. is this like when mailbu stacy got a new hat?
this ^^, if you weren't smart enough to see how rad he was after the mystery part and especially his fallen part, you only have yourself to blame.
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Gilbert Crockett - Ride the Sky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhoChYgq_hU#)
i think you need to re-watch this part gipp.....
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That was actually pretty sick. This seems kind of like an in between from mystery part to Alien part. He's got some good shit in here but still ends with a hubba and a stair huck. I think the two things that made me take notice of him were that add of the bench to gap and the switch flip up the 6, and have been a fan since. Now that I recognize what I like about him the part seems better.
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yeah u shuld just quit while ur ahead man, there isnt any arguing wether gilbert deserves it or not if uv actually paid attention to his parts. dudes got speed, power, and insane board control. i cant believe of all people, this dude is getting questioned for his skate competence. his clothing style hasnt changed either, whoever said that obviously has a stick up his ass ab this dude.
its so funny how people throw indie and hipster out so much nowadays, god and 99percent sound regular. how is this dude a hipster? haha wow...
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okay so back on topic, where the fuck is isuck?
Unfortunately, I think he may wait until official statements have been made before spilling all the details with SLAP
He might just not be near a computer right now, he was posting pics from Portugal on instagram
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so... is john fitzgerald still on zero?
no he quit, that is a fact. There isnt any confirmed new sponsor but rumor has it its aws
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what about tom k? hes not on the site either
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what about tom k? hes not on the site either
yeah he is on.
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He's got some good shit in here but still ends with a hubba and a stair huck.
maybe because they're both gnarly as fuck?
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so... is john fitzgerald still on zero?
no he quit, that is a fact. There isnt any confirmed new sponsor but rumor has it its aws
that's maybe... 40% bummer. he reminded me of aaron harrison a little. the 60% that doesn't find it a bummer is because i admittedly am an aws fanboy.
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Marisa del Santo isn't on zero anymore either.
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Marisa del Santo isn't on zero anymore either.
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Marisa del Santo isn't on zero anymore either.
I kinda do. She might not be much of a looker but she was the only relevant girl skater out for a while. Elissa fell off and all the other ones just don't compare.
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but when was the last time you saw a part from her or an ad?
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John Fitzgerald is rad but it's going to far to compare him to BA. There will never be another BA. I wonder how much he is gonna have to pay for that would-be Cold War footy.
So funny how a John Fitzgerald thread turned into 3+ pages about The Gil. Gil has always been sick...but yes, his skating has definitely quickly matured to next-level, A-lister status. Getting to skate the shit he wants to skate with childhood friends and being stoked to ride for Alien played a part in achieving that next-level status...that and being naturally talented as all fuck and focused as hell. And It's bogus to say that jeans and a white tee are hipster attire. Dude doesn't dress like anyone else on Alien really, he stands alone with his Union Soldier uniform.
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He's got some good shit in here but still ends with a hubba and a stair huck.
maybe because they're both gnarly as fuck?
That maybe fine for you, but to me, both were boring as hell and anticlimactic ways to end a video part
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so... is john fitzgerald still on zero?
no he quit, that is a fact. There isnt any confirmed new sponsor but rumor has it its aws
that's maybe... 40% bummer. he reminded me of aaron harrison a little. the 60% that doesn't find it a bummer is because i admittedly am an aws fanboy.
damn good comparison. And he's nothing like Brian Anderson.
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Cutting ties with a company that supports racism and homophobia is the greatest thing a pro skater can do.
The quality of their ownership is reflective of their products, being that they fucking suck.
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Am I the only one who thinks that John Fitzgerald skates like Pat Rakestraw? That's really who I would compare him to if anyone...
SLAP Mag's One In A Million Contest 2010 Finalist John Fitzgerald (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G51gBTCJsWs#)
PAT RAKESTRAW black out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq2DQrUvwXA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL087CE5F8BA31167D#)
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Cutting ties with a company that supports racism and homophobia is the greatest thing a pro skater can do.
The quality of their ownership is reflective of their products, being that they fucking suck.
First of all you and this statement are fucking regular. Second he isn't a pro skater.
Let me guess they are racist because one of the team members allegedly got loaded and called someone a name, a name that gets thrown around in just about every rap/hip-hop song you hear. And they are homophobic because the owner is Christian, so you're assuming they are homophobic?
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Alien Workshop is like the mob . if they make you a offer you cant say no . In a good way
Would have been better to wait for strange world to drop then switch companys to get footage out , no ?
and Strike a Pose is a idiot
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
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He's talking about Josiah who has expressed his dislike for homosexuality on some forum.
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He's got some good shit in here but still ends with a hubba and a stair huck.
maybe because they're both gnarly as fuck?
You are bumming me out so much right now, Gipper. Not immediately recognizing Crockett's value and calling a kickflip fs nosegrind down a large hubba anticlimactic. I can't believe what I'm reading. It reminds me of the time you said you thought Guru Khalsa's part in Origins was weak. It wasn't the same level of wtf I'm feeling right now, but that was pretty bad too.
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they are homophobic, but in this case they are, so its a moot point that holds no value in this debate.
Your hollow statements are based on an emotional response, because you are a little bitch who can't handle an opposing opinion that is founded upon truth.
Also, Zero boards are structurally inferior to many (fuck, if not all) pro decks on the market. Certified balsa wood shit.
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they are homophobic, but in this case they are, so its a moot point that holds no value in this debate.
Your hollow statements are based on an emotional response, because you are a little bitch who can't handle an opposing opinion that is founded upon truth.
Also, Zero boards are structurally inferior to many (fuck, if not all) pro decks on the market. Certified balsa wood shit.
I response isn't emotional at all, I don't care about Zero whatsoever, I just don't like it when pussies try to label people as racist or homophobic when they are only guilty of lacking political correctness. I'm not fan of Josiah whatsoever, in fact I couldn't care less about his skateboarding or his career, I also haven't seen these statements people are speaking of, where he made 'homophobic' remarks. I will say that my original response was mainly on the fact that John Fitzgerald did not leave Zero because they supposedly represent "racism" or "homophobia". I'm sure his leaving was due to a better opportunity.
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they are homophobic, but in this case they are, so its a moot point that holds no value in this debate.
Your hollow statements are based on an emotional response, because you are a little bitch who can't handle an opposing opinion that is founded upon truth.
Also, Zero boards are structurally inferior to many (fuck, if not all) pro decks on the market. Certified balsa wood shit.
I response isn't emotional at all, I don't care about Zero whatsoever, I just don't like it when pussies try to label people as racist or homophobic when they are only guilty of lacking political correctness. I'm not fan of Josiah whatsoever, in fact I couldn't care less about his skateboarding or his career, I also haven't seen these statements people are speaking of, where he made 'homophobic' remarks. I will say that my original response was mainly on the fact that John Fitzgerald did not leave Zero because they supposedly represent "racism" or "homophobia". I'm sure his leaving was due to a better opportunity.
He may not have left because of those reasons, but for those same reasons his departure was a positive decision!
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they are homophobic, but in this case they are, so its a moot point that holds no value in this debate.
Your hollow statements are based on an emotional response, because you are a little bitch who can't handle an opposing opinion that is founded upon truth.
Also, Zero boards are structurally inferior to many (fuck, if not all) pro decks on the market. Certified balsa wood shit.
what the...did you get smarter or something strike a pose? Or were you just playing some sort a persona before
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guys i heard you were all gay but it's okay i accept it.
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cant believe i skimmed through 6 pages and didnt find......
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
I'm just explaining what he's talking about. Confederate means ignorant or racist though imo.
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I think it has more to do with sponsoring an open homophobe and the confederate products.
Come on Gipper you're an intelligent guy, "confederate products" do not equal racism you know that, that is a ridiculous allegation. I guess I don't know who the this 'open homophobe' is, just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they're homophobic.
Just because someone is Christian doesn't mean they are homophobic, but in this case they are, so its a moot point that holds no value in this debate.
Your hollow statements are based on an emotional response, because you are a little bitch who can't handle an opposing opinion that is founded upon truth.
Also, Zero boards are structurally inferior to many (fuck, if not all) pro decks on the market. Certified balsa wood shit.
what the...did you get smarter or something strike a pose? Or were you just playing some sort a persona before
My intelligence is not limited to a singular format!
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So what's going to happen to the footage?
I Suck is probably going to hold on to it until he gets a ridiculous offer for it.
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noone ive ever known has ever bought any zero schwag.
just groms and soccer moms.
realtalk.
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Haha this thread has bounced around from john to gilbert to racism and homophobia. I just kinda wanna see Johns new footage.
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jaimie thomas is such a sick down to earth person
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
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shit, donovon picopo left zero for alien,
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John must have got into a fight, who quits a team before the video part? Only muska can do that.
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John must have got into a fight, who quits a team before the video part? Only muska can do that.
Word on the streets is roughneck is starting a deck team, he's saving his footage for their upcoming film "Complete the Fantasy"
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery... but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves... that part was just an accepted collateral... ;)
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Wtf y'all do realize that the confederate flag represents like 80% of what's wrong with this nation.
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery... but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves... that part was just an accepted collateral... ;)
Bull fucking shit. This is some serious factless revisionism. Lincoln was an abolitionist who was from a one issue party, that issue was abolitionism. He said a lot of things because he took a moderate approach to slavery and hoped to end it over time with a platform of no slavery in new established states. All sides knew that eventually the non slave states would eventually outnumber the slave states (there was an exact balance at the time), which would eventually lead to an end to slavery. That is why the south seceded, with the first secession occurring two months after his inauguration, specifically as a reaction to it. Lincoln fought the war to maintain the union, not fight slavery, which is why there are quotes floating around like "If I could save the union without freeing a single slave I would do it," because his number one goal was maintaining the union, as his new state policy was designed to work to end slavery without splitting the union, which was obviously already on the verge of happening. Of course the whole quote includes him saying something along the lines of, "if I could save the union and free every slave I would do that too..." When the union split his number one goal was to bring the union back together, even if that meant abandoning his abolitionist ambitions, but Lincoln WAS an abolitionist, and the south did secede to maintain slavery. In the end, Lincoln did push for abolition, even though it actually made reconstruction a far more contentious problem.
Let me decode all of the bullshit reasons people give for you....
"States rights"- States rights to do what? Oh, that's right, maintain slavery
"economic issues"- What was the economic engine of the south? Slavery, they feared with Lincoln in office their economic engine was endangered
"Tax issues"- Aside from the falsehood of this overall, southern states had actually written the most recent tariff laws, the south was scared that taxation would be used as an anti-slavery tactic, though it never was.
"Social differences"- The idea that the south had formed its own society which did not like its association to the north wouldn't have been an issue if the main institution holding the society together, slavery, did not appear to be threatened.
In the end, the main issue around the civil war is slavery, pure and simple. It was more than a moral issue, as genuine social, economic, and political differences arose as a result of slavery, but it should be clear, the south seceded to maintain slavery.
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery...� but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves...� that part was just an accepted collateral...� � � ;)
I'm interested in your factual basis. Or is just...
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery... but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves... that part was just an accepted collateral... ;)
Bull fucking shit. This is some serious factless revisionism. Lincoln was an abolitionist who was from a one issue party, that issue was abolitionism. He said a lot of things because he took a moderate approach to slavery and hoped to end it over time with a platform of no slavery in new established states. All sides knew that eventually the non slave states would eventually outnumber the slave states (there was an exact balance at the time), which would eventually lead to an end to slavery. That is why the south seceded, with the first secession occurring two months after his inauguration, specifically as a reaction to it. Lincoln fought the war to maintain the union, not fight slavery, which is why there are quotes floating around like "If I could save the union without freeing a single slave I would do it," because his number one goal was maintaining the union, as his new state policy was designed to work to end slavery without splitting the union, which was obviously already on the verge of happening. Of course the whole quote includes him saying something along the lines of, "if I could save the union and free every slave I would do that too..." When the union split his number one goal was to bring the union back together, even if that meant abandoning his abolitionist ambitions, but Lincoln WAS an abolitionist, and the south did secede to maintain slavery. In the end, Lincoln did push for abolition, even though it actually made reconstruction a far more contentious problem.
Let me decode all of the bullshit reasons people give for you....
"States rights"- States rights to do what? Oh, that's right, maintain slavery
"economic issues"- What was the economic engine of the south? Slavery, they feared with Lincoln in office their economic engine was endangered
"Tax issues"- Aside from the falsehood of this overall, southern states had actually written the most recent tariff laws, the south was scared that taxation would be used as an anti-slavery tactic, though it never was.
"Social differences"- The idea that the south had formed its own society which did not like its association to the north wouldn't have been an issue if the main institution holding the society together, slavery, did not appear to be threatened.
In the end, the main issue around the civil war is slavery, pure and simple. It was more than a moral issue, as genuine social, economic, and political differences arose as a result of slavery, but it should be clear, the south seceded to maintain slavery.
^ronald reagan knows his shit
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery... but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves... that part was just an accepted collateral... ;)
Bull fucking shit. This is some serious factless revisionism. Lincoln was an abolitionist who was from a one issue party, that issue was abolitionism. He said a lot of things because he took a moderate approach to slavery and hoped to end it over time with a platform of no slavery in new established states. All sides knew that eventually the non slave states would eventually outnumber the slave states (there was an exact balance at the time), which would eventually lead to an end to slavery. That is why the south seceded, with the first secession occurring two months after his inauguration, specifically as a reaction to it. Lincoln fought the war to maintain the union, not fight slavery, which is why there are quotes floating around like "If I could save the union without freeing a single slave I would do it," because his number one goal was maintaining the union, as his new state policy was designed to work to end slavery without splitting the union, which was obviously already on the verge of happening. Of course the whole quote includes him saying something along the lines of, "if I could save the union and free every slave I would do that too..." When the union split his number one goal was to bring the union back together, even if that meant abandoning his abolitionist ambitions, but Lincoln WAS an abolitionist, and the south did secede to maintain slavery. In the end, Lincoln did push for abolition, even though it actually made reconstruction a far more contentious problem.
Let me decode all of the bullshit reasons people give for you....
"States rights"- States rights to do what? Oh, that's right, maintain slavery
"economic issues"- What was the economic engine of the south? Slavery, they feared with Lincoln in office their economic engine was endangered
"Tax issues"- Aside from the falsehood of this overall, southern states had actually written the most recent tariff laws, the south was scared that taxation would be used as an anti-slavery tactic, though it never was.
"Social differences"- The idea that the south had formed its own society which did not like its association to the north wouldn't have been an issue if the main institution holding the society together, slavery, did not appear to be threatened.
In the end, the main issue around the civil war is slavery, pure and simple. It was more than a moral issue, as genuine social, economic, and political differences arose as a result of slavery, but it should be clear, the south seceded to maintain slavery.
gip never ceases to amaze me haha
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The confederacy started as a response to the northern states refusing to return run away slaves, so how anyone in their right fucking mind can say it isn't racism is beyond me. Open fucking history book you dumb fuck!
his story or the real story?
the confederacy stood for more than slavery...� but that the details of that isnt in most textbooks...
lincoln was a tyrant who gave a fucc not about freeing the slaves...� that part was just an accepted collateral...� � � ;)
Bull fucking shit. This is some serious factless revisionism. Lincoln was an abolitionist who was from a one issue party, that issue was abolitionism. He said a lot of things because he took a moderate approach to slavery and hoped to end it over time with a platform of no slavery in new established states. All sides knew that eventually the non slave states would eventually outnumber the slave states (there was an exact balance at the time), which would eventually lead to an end to slavery. That is why the south seceded, with the first secession occurring two months after his inauguration, specifically as a reaction to it. Lincoln fought the war to maintain the union, not fight slavery, which is why there are quotes floating around like "If I could save the union without freeing a single slave I would do it," because his number one goal was maintaining the union, as his new state policy was designed to work to end slavery without splitting the union, which was obviously already on the verge of happening. Of course� the whole quote includes him saying something along the lines of, "if I could save the union and free every slave I would do that too..."� When the union split his number one goal was to bring the union back together, even if that meant abandoning his abolitionist ambitions, but Lincoln WAS an abolitionist, and the south did secede to maintain slavery. In the end, Lincoln did push for abolition, even though it actually made reconstruction a far more contentious problem.
Let me decode all of the bullshit reasons people give for you....
"States rights"- States rights to do what? Oh, that's right, maintain slavery
"economic issues"- What was the economic engine of the south? Slavery, they feared with Lincoln in office their economic engine was endangered
"Tax issues"- Aside from the falsehood of this overall, southern states had actually written the most recent tariff laws, the south was scared that taxation would be used as an anti-slavery tactic, though it never was.
"Social differences"- The idea that the south had formed its own society which did not like its association to the north wouldn't have been an issue if the main institution holding the society together, slavery, did not appear to be threatened.
In the end, the main issue around the civil war is slavery, pure and simple. It was more than a moral issue, as genuine social, economic, and political differences arose as a result of slavery, but it should be clear, the south seceded to maintain slavery.
many states seceded from the union before his inauguration.
And a lot of what Reagan said was superfluous and didn't really pertain to the subject in question:
was Lincoln the great emancipator many claim him to be, or was it simply a power move/acting in line with what his party wanted?
If you ask a lot of different people, you'll get a lot of different answers. However, it is to be noted that his stance on slavery and what not was always rather shaky. And his main goal, first and foremost, with the Civil war was to restore the union as quickly as possible.
Tyrant who didn't give a "fucc" about slaves? No. Great emancipator? No. He's in the middle somewhere. Where in the middle all kinda depends on where/who you're getting your information from.
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Chris Cole and the new summer line.
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Chris Cole and the new summer line.
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Chris Cole and the new summer line.
Omit?
I think it's actually an Omit COLLABO with some church group Jamie is involved with.
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Excuse my ignorance but, who or what is a Josiah?
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its a combination of a little boy named joey, and the mesiah...that skates.
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who gives a fuck about some fucked up teeth, shitty style kid who won a stupid contest. the guy has the wackiest doo doo style. jamie thomas supposely kicked him off because john wanted to get more money because a few other companies offered him 1500 a month. thomas said he had to film a full part first. john is not loyal at all. jamie is. i wish i could quit you jamie!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i'm getting really confused in this ridiculous thread. john fitzgerald was in the confederate army? i thought he was from california.
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They kicked him off to flow me boards, see below dudeZ
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who gives a fuck about some fucked up teeth, shitty style kid who won a stupid contest. the guy has the wackiest doo doo style. jamie thomas supposely kicked him off because john wanted to get more money because a few other companies offered him 1500 a month. thomas said he had to film a full part first. john is not loyal at all. jamie is. i wish i could quit you jamie!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you think john sucks, you obviously don't know anything
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There are many popular myths about the cause of the War Between the States. Just as the Bolshevik Revolution is commonly believed to have been a spontaneous mass uprising against a tyrannical aristocracy, so, too, it is generally accepted that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery. That, at best, is a half-truth. Slavery wan anissue, but the primary force for war was a clash between the economic interests of the North and the South. Even the issue of slavery itself was was based on economics. It may have been a moral issue in the North where prosperity was derived from the machines of heavy industry, but in the agrarian South, where fields had to be tended by vast work forces of human labor, the issue was primarily a matter of economics.
The relative unimportance of slavery as a a cause for war was made clear by by Lincoln himself during his campaign for the Presidency in 1860, and he repeated the message in his first inaugural address:
"Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered...I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it now exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
And to get to the quote that Gipper took a stab at... Even after the out break of war in 1861, Lincoln confirmed his previous stand. He declared:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, i would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that."
It may come as a surprise to learn that, by strict definition, Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist. In his fourth debate with Senator Stephen Douglas, he addressed the subject bluntly:
"I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equity of the whited and black races...that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
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Can we get some citations in here?
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1. Don E. Fehrenbacher, ed., Abraham Lincoln, Speeches and writings, 1859-1865
(New York: Library of America, 1989), p. 215.
2. Quoted by Robert L. Polley, ed., Lincoln: His Words and His World (Waukesha, Wisconsin: Country Beautiful Foundation, 1965), p. 54.
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
- The southern states also generated a lot of revenue for the north, as well. Products of the south were exported through ports in the North
- The south had the nation's cotton supply; it was abundant and at home. If the south broke off, the North would be fudged - probably charge them an arm and a leg. Other crops as well.
- why did the southern states want to secede? The southern way of life was constantly being threatened. Acts were being put in place that stopped the spread of slavery. Slaves were not being returned, such and stuff (I don't remember all the details). So, when Lincoln was going to be put into office (a northerner, whose party's agenda was in favor of the northern way of life) the south said "we're going to keep getting fucked over. Peace. I'm out".
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Really, it's important to understand the history and hard fought battles against central banks, fractional-reserve banking, the Rothschild Formula and how it came to the United States. I cannot emphasize that enough. Find a copy of "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin or watch one of Bill Still's documentaries, like "Money Masters".
So after a hard fought battle, the creature that was The Second Bank of the United States was slain. But banking was very much still alive. The nation was nearing the end of the boom phase of a designed boom/bust cycle. When the inevitable contraction of the money supply came, politicians began to offer proposals on how to infuse stability into the banking system. None dealt with the real problem, which was fractional-reserve banking itself. they concentrated instead on proposals on how to make it work. (much like today with the fed). Anyway, all these proposals were tried and they failed.
These years are sometimes described as a period of free banking, which is an insult to truth. All that happened was that banks were converted from corporations to private associations, a change in form, not substance. They continued to be burdened by government controls, regulations, supports, and other blocks against the free market.
The economic chaos and conflict of this period was a major cause of the civil war. The basic problem was that North and South were dependent on each other for trade. The industrialized North sold its products to the South which sold its cotton to the North. The South also had a similar trade with Europe, and that was an annoyance to the North. Europe was selling many products at lower prices, and the North was losing market share. Northern politicians passed protectionist legislation putting import duties on industrial products. This all but stopped the importation of European goods and forced the South to buy from the North at higher prices. Europe retaliated by curtailing the purchase of American cotton. that hurt the South even more. It was a classic case of legalized plunder, and the South wanted out.
Meanwhile, there were powerful forces in Europe that wanted to see America embroiled in civil war. If America could be split into tow hostile countries, there would be less obstacle to European expansion on the North American continent. France was eager to capture Mexico and graft it onto a new empire which would include many of the Southern states as well. England, on the other hand, had military forces poised along the canadian border ready for action. Political agitators, funded and organized from Europe, were active on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line. The issue of slavery was but a ploy. America had become a target in a ruthless game of world economics and politics.
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
- The southern states also generated a lot of revenue for the north, as well. Products of the south were exported through ports in the North
- The south had the nation's cotton supply; it was abundant and at home. If the south broke off, the North would be fudged - probably charge them an arm and a leg. Other crops as well.
- why did the southern states want to secede? The southern way of life was constantly being threatened. Acts were being put in place that stopped the spread of slavery. Slaves were not being returned, such and stuff (I don't remember all the details). So, when Lincoln was going to be put into office (a northerner, whose party's agenda was in favor of the northern way of life) the south said "we're going to keep getting fucked over. Peace. I'm out".
Are you fucking regular? The north would be fucked over because they didn't have cotton? The Northern states had industrialized much quicker than the Southern states and this is a factor in their victory over the south. More factories = more production = more stable economy. Meanwhile, by the end of the war, the confederacy could barely support itself.
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I thought it was a well known/documented fact that the civil war was started by gay mexicans?
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wait i thought they were fighting for money i.e. silver, hence the "silver wars" ???
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The civil war didn't even happen. It was a marketing ploy to sell tours of Gettysburg.
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Thanks for the history lesson guys, finals are next week and i needed the review for it pretty badly since i missed a couple of my America during the Civil War classes. Boy, you guys are a lifesaver.
By the way, can you go over the Battle of Antietam while you're at it?
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Funny you should bring up Mexico, doomstation55.
In addition to the conflicting interests between the North and South, there were other forces also working to split the nation, like I stated earlier. Those forces were rooted in Europe and centered around the desire of France, Spain, and England to control markets of Latin America. Mexico was the prime target. This was the reason the Monroe Doctrine had been formulated thirty-eight years previously. President James Monroe had put the European nations on notice that the United States would not interfere with their affairs, and that interference by them in American affairs would not be tolerated. In particular, the proclamation said that the American continents were no longer to be considered as available for colonization.
None of the European powers wanted to put this issue to the test, but they knew that if the U.S. were to become embroiled in a civil war, it could not also cross swords in Latin America. To encourage war between the states, therefore, was to pave the way for colonial expansion in Mexico. The Americas had become a giant chess board for the game of global politics.
The global chess match between Lincoln on the one side and England and France on the other was closely watched by the other leaders in Europe. One of the most candid observers at that time was the Chancellor of Germany, Otto von Bismarck. Since Bismarck was, himself, deeply obligated to the power of international finance, his observations are doubly revealing. He said:
"The division of the United States nto federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the U.S., if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over Europe and the world. Of course, in the "inner circle" of Finance, the voice of the Rothschilds prevailed. They saw an opportunity for prodigious booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, burdened with debt to financiers,...in place of a vigorous Republic sufficient wunto herself. Therefore, they sent their emissaries into the field to exploit the question of slavery and to drive a wedge between the two parts of the Union....The rupture between the North and the South became inevitable; the masters of European finance employed all their forces to bring it about an to turn it to their advantage.
The strategy was simple but effective. Within months after the first clash of arms between North and South, France had landed troops in Mexico. By 1864, the Mexicans were subduded, and the French monarch installed Ferdinand Maximilian as the puppet emperor. The Confederacy found a natural ally in Maximilian, and it was anticipated by both groups that, after the successful execution of the War, they would combine into a new nation--dominated by the financial power of Rothschild, of course. At the same time, England moved eleven thousand troops into Canada, positioned them menacingly along the Union's northern flank, and placed the British fleet onto war-time alert. The European powers were closing in for a checkmate.
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
Here is an explanation for secession by the Vice President of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, its famously called the "keystone speech,"
Guess what he says is the keystone to southern society? I'll let you look
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76 (http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76)
(I'll give you a clue, its slavery)
That's a primary source from one of the people who started the war, not a person living 150 years later who realizes that people might not look well upon the idea that the south started a war to maintain slavery and tries to flip the story to make his side not look as bad.
I already explained it clearly- the south did not trust Lincoln to maintain slavery due to his abolitionist platform and seceded upon his election. Lincoln wanted to Maintain the Union and End slavery. He made many speeches and committed to many actions that were to appeal to the center while still hopefully maintaining his goal of abolition.
I already destroyed your constantly falsely used Lincoln quote, so I don't see why you posted it.
His political platform was abolition, and he hoped to do so in a moderate way that would maintain the union. You are trying to cloud the issue. Alexander Stephens wasn't, because he was there at the time and didn't realize how bad everybody in the world would look back at it
Lincoln was elected November 6th, 1860, South Carolina became the first state to secede on December 20th, 1860. As pointed out, this is slightly under two months after Lincoln's election. If you guys are reading this whole thing, completely discount the regular dipshit who tried to get in on the conversation by claiming states seceded before Lincoln's election. That is very clearly out there and is undisputable.
Here is a list of state secession by date:
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm (http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm)
Its a pretty plain site because those dates aren't controversial at all.
Want to know what is funny? Even time magazine acknowledges that all of the bullshit excuses for the civil war are just that:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2063869,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2063869,00.html)
Its not controversial amongst historians- The south fought the war to maintain slavery, the north fought it to maintain the union. While a union logo is not anti-slavery, a confederate one is pro-slavery or pro-ignorance.
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
- The southern states also generated a lot of revenue for the north, as well. Products of the south were exported through ports in the North
- The south had the nation's cotton supply; it was abundant and at home. If the south broke off, the North would be fudged - probably charge them an arm and a leg. Other crops as well.
- why did the southern states want to secede? The southern way of life was constantly being threatened. Acts were being put in place that stopped the spread of slavery. Slaves were not being returned, such and stuff (I don't remember all the details). So, when Lincoln was going to be put into office (a northerner, whose party's agenda was in favor of the northern way of life) the south said "we're going to keep getting fucked over. Peace. I'm out".
I guess "fucked" is too strong a word.
However, it would certainly be a detriment, to say the least. All those mills in the North East? You know what they were doing? Textiles. What do you need for textile mills? Cotton.
Cotton was huge. Like, really huge. Also, it's not just cotton. The south had fertile soil and other valuable crops and agriculture whatnot. But, like as I alluded to before, there was a certain symbiotic relation between the north and south, and at the end of the day, the north would be hurt if the southern states were to become their own nation.
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But, if Lincoln's primary goal in the War was not the abolition of slavery but simply to preserve the Union, the question arises: why did the Union need preserving? Or, more pointedly, why did the Southern states want to secede?
Guess what he says is the keystone to southern society? I'll let you look
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76 (http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76)
(I'll give you a clue, its slavery)
That's a primary source from one of the people who started the war, not a person living 150 years later who realizes that people might not look well upon the idea that the south started a war to maintain slavery and tries to flip the story to make his side not look as bad.
I already explained it clearly- the south did not trust Lincoln to maintain slavery due to his abolitionist platform and seceded upon his election. Lincoln wanted to Maintain the Union and End slavery. He made many speeches and committed to many actions that were to appeal to the center while still hopefully maintaining his goal of abolition.
I already destroyed your constantly falsely used Lincoln quote, so I don't see why you posted it.
His political platform was abolition, and he hoped to do so in a moderate way that would maintain the union. You are trying to cloud the issue. Alexander Stephens wasn't, because he was there at the time and didn't realize how bad everybody in the world would look back at it
Lincoln was elected November 6th, 1860, South Carolina became the first state to secede on December 20th, 1860. As pointed out, this is slightly under two months after Lincoln's election. If you guys are reading this whole thing, completely discount the regular dipshit who tried to get in on the conversation by claiming states seceded before Lincoln's election. That is very clearly out there and is undisputable.
Here is a list of state secession by date:
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm (http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm)
Its a pretty plain site because those dates aren't controversial at all.
Want to know what is funny? Even time magazine acknowledges that all of the bullshit excuses for the civil war are just that:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2063869,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2063869,00.html)
Its not controversial amongst historians- The south fought the war to maintain slavery, the north fought it to maintain the union. While a union logo is not anti-slavery, a confederate one is pro-slavery or pro-ignorance.
You said inauguration. Go back and reread.
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Gipper, I sincerely hope you are not doomed and destined to be duped by misinformation, conditioning and propaganda your entire stay here on this planet. Time magazine? come on man. Godspeed brother.
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this thread has taken so many different turns in unrelated directions.
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So still no idea why he left/was kicked out of Zero?
I'm not a fan but Zero team changes are always polemical
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so is Lincoln on fucking ZERO or what?
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so is Lincoln on fucking ZERO or what?
fucking hell haha .
This thread is so far off course its incredible .
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Gipper, I sincerely hope you are not doomed and destined to be duped by misinformation, conditioning and propaganda your entire stay here on this planet.� Time magazine? come on man.� Godspeed brother.
Really? That is the weakest ad hominem I have ever encountered on here. I said EVEN Time magazine, as in the mainstream press who never takes a side on anything that is debatable. If even time doesn't pretend there are two sides, there aren't. Did you read the rest of my evidence? Is listening to the exact words of the Vice President of the Confederacy basically saying "We are seceding to maintain slavery" being duped by misinformation and propaganda?
Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You lost.
Victor- fair enough, I mistyped it. I meant elected. The connection is clear though, an abolitionist gets elected, slave states declare independence, and the newly elected vp of their independent state declares the reason they have seceded was to ensure the future of slavery.
And Victor is dead on about the interdependence. Cotton was profitable as fuck (due to the cheap labor) but the south didn't process shit, it was all produced in northern factories. France actually intervened on the side of the Confederacy in hopes that cotton would then be sent to them instead of the U.S. to process into textiles.
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"You Lost." Funny, because I am not trying to win. I am just putting information out there, and I am not on a high horse or ridiculing anybody for not having been taught this information. I legitimately thought you might be interested in the information and those other quotes. But, Time magazine has historically been and continues to be a publication owned and used by the criminal foreign bankers to propagandize, distract and misinform.
Gip attacks almost as if I am defending slavery or something. I am pointing out that the issue of slavery was seized upon by the financial manipulators who had a much, much larger agenda in the global chess game that I summarized earlier.
Certainly pressure from the North against slavery in the South made matters even more volatile. A fact that is often overlooked in this episode is that the cost of a slave was very high, around $1,500 each. A modest plantation with only forty or fifty slaves, therefore, had a large capital investment which, in terms of today's purchasing power, represented many millions of dollars. To the South, abolition mean, not only loss of its ability to produce a cash crop, but the total destruction of an enormous capital base. (I am not defending that system, I am stating that there were powerful forces that had a vested interest in dividing the U.S. and they incorporated the issue of slavery as a part of their overarching strategy.)
Many Southern plantation owners were working towards the day when they could convert their investment to more profitable industrial production as had been done in the North, and others felt that freemen who were paid wages would be more efficient that slaves who had no incentive to work. They felt that a complete and sudden abolition of slavery with no transition period would destroy their economy and leave many of the the former slaves to starve....all of which actually happened in due course.
That was the situation that existed at the time of Lincoln's campaign and why, in his speeches, he attempted to calm the fears of the South about his intentions. But his words were mostly political rhetoric. Lincoln was a Republican and he was totally dependent on the Northern industrialists who controlled the Party.
This is not to say that Lincoln was indifferent to the institution of slavery, for he felt strongly that it was a violation of personal and national morality, but he also knew that slavery was gradually being swept away all over the world...with the possible exception of Africa itself...and he believed that it would soon disappear in America simply by allowing the natural forces of enlightenment to work their way through the political system. He feared...and rightly so...that to demand immediate and total reform, not only would destroy the Union, it would lead to massive bloodshed and more human suffering than was endured even under slavery itself.
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"You Lost." Funny, because I am not trying to win. I am just putting information out there, and I am not on a high horse or ridiculing anybody for not having been taught this information. I legitimately thought you might be interested in the information and those other quotes. But, Time magazine has historically been and continues to be a publication owned and used by the criminal foreign bankers to propagandize, distract and misinform.
Gip attacks almost as if I am defending slavery or something. I am pointing out that the issue of slavery was seized upon by the financial manipulators who had a much, much larger agenda in the global chess game that I summarized earlier.
Certainly pressure from the North against slavery in the South made matters even more volatile. A fact that is often overlooked in this episode is that the cost of a slave was very high, around $1,500 each. A modest plantation with only forty or fifty slaves, therefore, had a large capital investment which, in terms of today's purchasing power, represented many millions of dollars. To the South, abolition mean, not only loss of its ability to produce a cash crop, but the total destruction of an enormous capital base. (I am not defending that system, I am stating that there were powerful forces that had a vested interest in dividing the U.S. and they incorporated the issue of slavery as a part of their overarching strategy.)
Many Southern plantation owners were working towards the day when they could convert their investment to more profitable industrial production as had been done in the North, and others felt that freemen who were paid wages would be more efficient that slaves who had no incentive to work. They felt that a complete and sudden abolition of slavery with no transition period would destroy their economy and leave many of the the former slaves to starve....all of which actually happened in due course.
That was the situation that existed at the time of Lincoln's campaign and why, in his speeches, he attempted to calm the fears of the South about his intentions. But his words were mostly political rhetoric. Lincoln was a Republican and he was totally dependent on the Northern industrialists who controlled the Party.
This is not to say that Lincoln was indifferent to the institution of slavery, for he felt strongly that it was a violation of personal and national morality, but he also knew that slavery was gradually being swept away all over the world...with the possible exception of Africa itself...and he believed that it would soon disappear in America simply by allowing the natural forces of enlightenment to work their way through the political system. He feared...and rightly so...that to demand immediate and total reform, not only would destroy the Union, it would lead to massive bloodshed and more human suffering than was endured even under slavery itself.
seems like you two are arguing different topics. you're arguing that there was a more nefarious reason as to why the civil war was started, and you're offering some compelling evidence that these foreign interests took advantage of the (very real) predilection with slavery and the surrounding conflicts to advance their own interests. by stating that, you are agreeing that slavery was the issue most prevalent in the southern mentality, but you're essentially saying that there were other factors of influence that took advantage of that, and that the south were unaware of.
gips saying that the flag represents slavery and/or ignorance because the issue of slavery is the reason that the confederacy was founded (and hence the flag created). there really is no argument there because, as you can see, even if your take on things was dead on (not saying it's not), you're essentially saying that the confederacy was duped into war by foreign interests without their knowledge (thereby bolstering gippers ignorance argument).
same page, different readers. but gipper's right, no matter what hidden influences may have led them by the nose, the reason the guys in the south picked up guns was because they saw a threat to slavery and they identified with that heirarchy as a central part of life, identity, stability and happiness. this misplaced identity may have made them easier to manipulate, but that ideal was the driving force behind the confederacy's formation either way you look at it.
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That's pretty close, K. But I maintain that at the outset this was not a popular war based on humanitarian principle (that is a very old and still used trick); but rather it was a war of business interests. But I suppose I am also trying to show that taking a closer look at history and the global chess game of that era is far more compelling and revealing than the trappings of this Southern bigotry, white-guilt shit that so many ninny, self-proclaimed liberals get caught up in and seem to get off on. I particularly enjoy fleshing out this subject because I grew up in Fredericksburg, VA playing in the Civil War trenches that went on for miles in the woods behind my house.
I mean the real history is fucking wild, guys. For instance, in 1864 when the puppet monarch, Maximilian was installed in Mexico and the English had their troops on the Canadian border...it really appeared that America was facing a checkmate from the powers in Europe. Until an unexpected event tipped the scale against it. That being Russia aligning with the North. Tsar Alexander II notified Lincoln that he stood ready to militarily align with the North...his primary motivation for coming to the aid of the Union undoubtedly had little to do with emancipating the slaves in the South. England and France had been maneuvering to break up the Russian empire. Knowing that war was being considered by his enemies, Tsar Alexander decided to jump into the chess game. He dispatched his Baltic fleet of war ships to Virginia and his Asiatic fleet to San Francisco. No treaty was signed between Russia and the U.S. but their mutual interest and threat of war unified them at a critical moment. The presence of the Russian Navy helped the Union enforce a devastating naval blockade against the Southern states which denied them access to critical supplies from Europe. English/French vessels and Russian vessels never fired on each other and remained neutral but without the presence of the Russian fleet the war could have been significantly different.
Because the war didn't go well early on for the North and wasn't a popular humanitarian war, the North faced two serious problems. The first was how to get people to fight, and the second was how to get them to pay. Both problems were solved by the simple expediency of violating the Constitution.
To get people to fight, it was decided to convert the war into an anti-slavery crusade. The Emancipation Proclamation was primarily a move on the part of Lincoln to fan the dying embers of support for the "Rich-man's war and the poor-man's fight", as it was commonly called in the North. Furthermore, it was not an amendment to the Constitution nor even an act of Congress. It was issued totally without constitutional authority, as the solitary order of Lincoln himself, acting as Commander-in-Chief of the the armed forces.
Preservation of the Union was not enough to fire men's enthusiasm for war. Only the higher issue of freedom could do that. To make the cause of freedom synonymous with the cause of the North there was no alternative to officially declare against slavery. After having emphasized over and over again that slavery was not the reason for war, Lincoln later explained why he changed his course and issued the Proclamation:
"Things had gone from bad to worse until I felt we had reached the end of our rope on the plan we were pursuing; that we had about played our last card, and must change our tactics or lose the game. I now determined upon the adoption of the emancipation policy."
Technically, the proclamation was almost absurd. It proclaimed freedom for all slaves in precisely those areas where the U.S. could not make its authority effective, and allowed slavery to continue in slave states which remained under Federal control...But in the end it changed the whole character of the war and, more than any other single thing, doomed the confederacy to defeat.
The Proclamation had a profound impact on the European powers as well. Now that freedom was the apparent issue, no government in Europe dared to anger its own subjects by taking sides against a country that was trying to destroy slavery. After 1862 the chance that Europe would militarily intervene on behalf of the Confederacy rapidly faded to zero. On the propaganda front, the South had been maneuvered into a position which could not be defended in the modern world.
Man, I could keep going on and on in depth.. but I'm sure you guys are over it and want to talk about skating again. Gip, If I ever see you on the streets, maybe we'll have a heated game of skate, bro.
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But suffice it to say that the story gets even more gnarly....
Like Lincoln ignoring the Constitution once again by suspending the right of habeas corpus, which made it possible for the government to imprison its critics without formal charges and without trial. Thus, under the banner of opposing slavery, American citizens in the North, not only were killed on the streets of their own cities, they were put into military combat against their will and thrown into prison without due process of law. In other words, free men were enslaved so that slaves could be made free. Even if the pretended crusade had been genuine, it was a bad exchange.
How to get people to pay for the war was handled in a similar fashion. If the Constitution could be pushed aside on the issue of personal rights and of war itself, it certainly would not stand in the way of mere funding. This is when the first experiment with the income tax was tried; another violation of the Constitution. Enter the Rothschild's once again....
But maybe I should just start a Rothschild thread.
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Holy Fuck, I keep coming to this topic to see if there's any news on what team John is on and I'll I see is this shit. Argue somewhere else.
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Holy Fuck, I keep coming to this topic to see if there's any news on what team John is on
That's your first problem, bud.
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im super stoked on TheRealDeal right now. i say keep it coming, US History was my favorite class in school and I haven't learned this much since college.
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I'm like every one else that just clicked on this topic cause i thought it was strange that an am getting off zero deserved 8pages worth of conversation. �
fuck books!
jk ;)
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im super stoked on TheRealDeal right now. i say keep it coming, US History was my favorite class in school and I haven't learned this much since college.
are you kidding? go read the favourite regular conspiracy theories thread and you'd probably learn more.
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im super stoked on TheRealDeal right now. i say keep it coming, US History was my favorite class in school and I haven't learned this much since college.
are you kidding? go read the favourite regular conspiracy theories thread and you'd probably learn more.
i was mostly just referring to learning about/refreshing my us history. i think im going to read that book Hunter S Thompson wrote about the hells angels soon, im pretty hyped on learning some of those stories but im not sure if his writing style will bug me. only one way to find out.
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K gets it.
Realdeal- YOU ARE FUCKING regular. It is very clear that the north DID NOT FIGHT TO END SLAVERY. The South fought to preserve it. The north fought to preserve the union and to prevent all of the economic and political issues that would come of secession. In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation was given with the reason that freeing slaves would destroy the economic engine of the southern war effort, and as everybody knows, it only applied to states in rebellion. To say that slavery was a manufactured reason for the war invented by the north is completely ignorant of fact. It was the real reason the SOUTH started the civil war, as the Vice President of the Confederacy stated several posts of mine ago. You know that right? The south started it? Seems like a basic thing but your narrative ignores that entirely. Go start a regular conspiracy thread about the Rothschilds and stop arguing about real history.
Lincoln didn't ignore the constitution with habeas corpus, which clearly states that it must remain during peace time though it can, and has, been lifted during war, even though I do agree it was not a good move and was very authoritarian. Drafts suck, and like every other American war, the civil war was a rich man's fight but a poor man's battle and there were tons of class related rebellions on BOTH sides. But If you think the south was doing anything different you are crazy. Again though, the reason it was a rich man's war was because of the relationship of slavery to the economy in both the north and south. It was considered total war, meaning all of the resources and manpower of both sides went to the war. I'm not saying it was a wonderful thing and that war is awesome. I've been pretty consistent in not thinking that. What I am saying is that this war was fought to maintain the "Peculiar institution" by the south.
AOL/Time Warner is a foreign company? Really? AOL/Time Warner is American as fuck, and definitely is one of the small interests that controls a great deal of American media. Saying its all lies is a stupid conspiracy theorist approach to it though. I could get into the proper way to read documents like that, but it would take a lot of text. It comes down to this- the media doesn't lie to maintain MIC control and all of that, they simply only tell the parts of the story they like to further their agenda. If there is other information, it should also be presented. If it is as flawed as you think it is, then you should be able to actually take it down point by point, but if you can't, simply saying "don't trust that" isn't really fair. Besides, it wasn't the main point of my argument.
If you want though I could get into support of my point by people like prize winning Civil War historian Eric Foner, who I believe is the head of the history department at Columbia, specializes in the civil war, was named the head of the American Historical association in 2000, as well as one of the "500 professors who hate America" for his teach-ins at Columbia against the Iraq war. No links though, I actually read his books.
Not that any of that matters though, as you still can't explain why the south didn't fight the civil war over slavery, even though the Vice President of the Confederacy claimed it did. I just tend to believe the guy who was 2nd in command of their government a bit more than a guy obsessed with the Rothschilds living 150 years later. Just me though.
In a similar way that supporting or validating the Nazis is supporting and validating the holocaust, supporting or validating the confederacy is supporting and validating slavery.That was the beginning of this argument- Does supporting the confederacy mean supporting slavery? The answer is a clear YES.
And yes, there were all sorts of economic reasons the south supported slavery, including the value of using 100% stolen labor to produce goods that would be lost, but that is still slavery as a reason.
In the end, SLAVERY was the reason the Confederate states.
Oh, and this "I'm not ridiculing others for not learning..." bullshit is stupid. I personally believe people should have to defend their claims, and if you don't know what is being discussed, I go with "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you the fool than open it and remove all doubt." I don't know shit about music, hence, no arguments from me in music
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It's 2012. You should know how to link images by now
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Nah son, free pie.
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(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/154/912/berneydidnotread.gif?1318992465) my feelings toward this thread.
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it shows up fine on my screen. victor isnt worthy of beholding such slick imagery anyhow
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lol yall gay (http://t.qkme.me/3oo7cl.jpg)
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Holy Fuck, I keep coming to this topic to see if there's any news on what team John is on and I'll I see is this shit. Argue somewhere else.
this.
gipper you are beyond lame
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K gets it.
Realdeal- YOU ARE FUCKING regular. It is very clear that the north DID NOT FIGHT TO END SLAVERY. The South fought to preserve it. The north fought to preserve the union and to prevent all of the economic and political issues that would come of secession. In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation was given with the reason that freeing slaves would destroy the economic engine of the southern war effort, and as everybody knows, it only applied to states in rebellion. To say that slavery was a manufactured reason for the war invented by the north is completely ignorant of fact. It was the real reason the SOUTH started the civil war, as the Vice President of the Confederacy stated several posts of mine ago. You know that right? The south started it? Seems like a basic thing but your narrative ignores that entirely. Go start a regular conspiracy thread about the Rothschilds and stop arguing about real history.
Lincoln didn't ignore the constitution with habeas corpus, which clearly states that it must remain during peace time though it can, and has, been lifted during war, even though I do agree it was not a good move and was very authoritarian. Drafts suck, and like every other American war, the civil war was a rich man's fight but a poor man's battle and there were tons of class related rebellions on BOTH sides. But If you think the south was doing anything different you are crazy. Again though, the reason it was a rich man's war was because of the relationship of slavery to the economy in both the north and south. It was considered total war, meaning all of the resources and manpower of both sides went to the war. I'm not saying it was a wonderful thing and that war is awesome. I've been pretty consistent in not thinking that. What I am saying is that this war was fought to maintain the "Peculiar institution" by the south.
AOL/Time Warner is a foreign company? Really? AOL/Time Warner is American as fuck, and definitely is one of the small interests that controls a great deal of American media. Saying its all lies is a stupid conspiracy theorist approach to it though. I could get into the proper way to read documents like that, but it would take a lot of text. It comes down to this- the media doesn't lie to maintain MIC control and all of that, they simply only tell the parts of the story they like to further their agenda. If there is other information, it should also be presented. If it is as flawed as you think it is, then you should be able to actually take it down point by point, but if you can't, simply saying "don't trust that" isn't really fair. Besides, it wasn't the main point of my argument.
If you want though I could get into support of my point by people like prize winning Civil War historian Eric Foner, who I believe is the head of the history department at Columbia, specializes in the civil war, was named the head of the American Historical association in 2000, as well as one of the "500 professors who hate America" for his teach-ins at Columbia against the Iraq war. No links though, I actually read his books.
Not that any of that matters though, as you still can't explain why the south didn't fight the civil war over slavery, even though the Vice President of the Confederacy claimed it did. I just tend to believe the guy who was 2nd in command of their government a bit more than a guy obsessed with the Rothschilds living 150 years later. Just me though.
In a similar way that supporting or validating the Nazis is supporting and validating the holocaust, supporting or validating the confederacy is supporting and validating slavery.That was the beginning of this argument- Does supporting the confederacy mean supporting slavery? The answer is a clear YES.
And yes, there were all sorts of economic reasons the south supported slavery, including the value of using 100% stolen labor to produce goods that would be lost, but that is still slavery as a reason.
In the end, SLAVERY was the reason the Confederate states.
Oh, and this "I'm not ridiculing others for not learning..." bullshit is stupid. I personally believe people should have to defend their claims, and if you don't know what is being discussed, I go with "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you the fool than open it and remove all doubt." I don't know shit about music, hence, no arguments from me in music
But really, well written argument/defense.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaany way I heard that Jim Greco is off ZERO.
Misled Youth Jim Greco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgxTYqBwcoQ#)
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Holy Fuck, I keep coming to this topic to see if there's any news on what team John is on and I'll I see is this shit. Argue somewhere else.
gipper you are beyond lame
These posts only encourage me more. Morons who come on slap assuming that a thread will be about the same thing for more than one page deserve punishment for their foolishness.
Did you guys know that the reason the U.S. celebrates Cinco De Mayo is related to the Civil War? France was the main backer of the South at the time of the civil war, and the battle that is commemorated on that day took place right around the same time. Britain, France, and Spain (I think, not sure on Spain) came to collect debts, the other two countries settled with Mexico, but France was into war for territory in Mexico so no deal was found. Miraculously the out-gunned Mexican army won. If France won that and had outposts in Mexico during the Civil War, the outcome would have been way dfferent.
In the 60's Chicano activists were looking for a way to celebrate Mexican culture in the U.S. and came upon this one. They realized it was a victory for both the U.S. and Mexico, and began really promoting it in the U.S. That's why it is a bigger holiday in the U.S. than Mexico.
What kind of board is John Fitzgerald riding? A fucking skateboard, and he's amazing on it.
Actually, your answer is at the end of this video:
Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM&ob=av2e#ws)
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This thread is burnt
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i would fuck the shit outta Nicki Minaj. itd be interesting to hear her moan in 3-4 different accents.
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I heard her booty is fake. I'd still hit.
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that bitch been thick since '03 back when she was was a Young Money Benchwarmer, although her ass definitely has gotten bigger over the years. does anyone know if fake asses feel significantly different?
anyways
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Lil Kim - Black Friday (Nicki Minaj Diss) Official Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuHtUDId0Y#)
Lil Kim says she's a put together gimmick, something like a collage.
I figure a booty implant would probably feel more real than breast implants though.
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I prefer hoodrat-Minaj
Seemed more freaky
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lil kim washed up than a muthafucka! she be lookin like the black miss piggy with her stank ass. i remember a while back she was supposedly dropping an album w/ preorders thru paypal that ended up never gettin released. kim just jealous cuz nicki been gettin all the coverage for female rappers while she remained the industry hoe with a lackluster career post 2004. Eve, MC Lyte & Bahdu still miles ahead of kim as far as female MC's go. nicki's had more industry success than kim ever had with her last 2 albums alone. real talk that bitch makin moves wit her fine ass
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Bitch has got sum skills too, my favorite verse of hers is in this
*Official Song Release* Monster - Kanye West Feat. Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross and Bon Iver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVCQmxb7YQ#)
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lil kim washed up than a muthafucka! she be lookin like the black miss piggy with her stank ass. i remember a while back she was supposedly dropping an album w/ preorders thru paypal that ended up never gettin released. kim just jealous cuz nicki been gettin all the coverage for female rappers while she remained the industry hoe with a lackluster career post 2004. Eve, MC Lyte & Bahdu still miles ahead of kim as far as female MC's go. nicki's had more industry success than kim ever had with her last 2 albums alone. real talk that bitch makin moves wit her fine ass
Yeah, but she is taking all the moves from Lil Kim's playbook. That's why she's mad.
I think earlier in this thread I said I don't talk about music, but whatever. A cookie to whoever finds it in all that bullshit I typed up there.
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This thread should be renamed to "John Fitzgerald Off Zero... Gilbert Crockett Changes Clothes... Zero is Racist!!!...The Truth About the Civil War... Nicki Minaj vs. Lil Kim"
Damn guys.
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This thread should be renamed to "John Fitzgerald Off Zero... Gilbert Crockett Changes Clothes... Zero is Racist!!!...The Truth About the Civil War... Nicki Minaj vs. Lil Kim"
Damn guys.
Second best thread currently on slap? Number one CLEARLY goes to Dill stylin' on you. Thread of the year so far.
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Bitch has got sum skills too, my favorite verse of hers is in this
No. Just. No.
no
naw
nope
nuh-uh
She's a disgrace to music in every way, and her "music" is the epitome of corporate-created bullshit. Her gimmick is terrible. I mean that voice thing she does, not her ass. Her ass is ok in my book.
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ayo she did kinda get off on Monster verse. kanye knows what he's doin
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
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how the fuck did this thread go form taking about someone leaving zero, to politics to female rappers
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ill just leave these here
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This thread should be renamed to "John Fitzgerald Off Zero... Gilbert Crockett Changes Clothes... Zero is Racist!!!...The Truth About the Civil War... Nicki Minaj vs. Lil Kim"
Damn guys.
Completely agree with you on this one...
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
hahahaha im dying right now
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
Fuck yes man. I'm so glad I jumped back into this thread now.
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The things I would do to those titties and that ass.
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That ass is too phat.
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I wonder if John would want a piece of that.
I wouldn't mind my face being Nicki Minaj's chair
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Zero and Robert E. Lee collabo
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how the fuck did this thread go form taking about someone leaving zero, to politics to female rappers
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how the fuck did this thread go form taking about someone leaving zero, to politics to female rappers
Fuck yeah nailed it!
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John Fitzgerald is off Zero. Is now rumoured to be getting on Nicki Minaj's asscheeks.
Ba-Dum-Tss...
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I just keep coming back to hopefully see a comment from iSUCK!
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Nicki Minaj - Beez In The Trap (Explicit) ft. 2 Chainz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmZvOhHF85I&feature=player_embedded#ws)
Nicki Minaj - Starships (Explicit) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo&feature=player_embedded#ws)
Big Sean - Dance (A$$) Remix ft. Nicki Minaj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1VGytzXus#ws)
Nicki Minaj - Super Bass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JipHEz53sU&ob=av2e#ws)
Nicki Minaj - Massive Attack ft. Sean Garrett (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCUtnuAXg8&ob=av2e#)
wait, what was this thread about again?
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"Nicki Minaj I'm the finest bitch out, feel me?" -Lil B the Based God
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Bitch has got sum skills too, my favorite verse of hers is in this
*Official Song Release* Monster - Kanye West Feat. Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross and Bon Iver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVCQmxb7YQ#)
She had skills, now she's wack as fuck and spits some of the worst lines. She really is the female Weezy. I ain't even gonna act like I don't know her whole A$$ verse though. But that's only because I watched the video so many times because I had to watch her move that ass.
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Bitch has got sum skills too, my favorite verse of hers is in this
*Official Song Release* Monster - Kanye West Feat. Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross and Bon Iver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVCQmxb7YQ#)
i agree she definitely suffers from the same "quantity over quality" problem that wayne does. ima keep it real tho that super bass was pretty decent for a pop joint. she got selena gomez talkin bout niggas sellin coke, you gotta give her props for that
Selena Gomez raps Super Bass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MVlS5Uj8Xs#ws)
also
CrunkCoco Super Bass Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRnVuF5cZOc#ws)
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I just keep coming back to hopefully see a comment from iSUCK!
Between John being off Zero, Gilbert changing his clothes, the root cause of the Civil War, the Lil Kim/Nicki Minaj beef, Nicki Minaj's booty, and Nicki Minaj's music, he's gonna have a lot of ground to cover.
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ayo she did kinda get off on Monster verse.
im in shock but i have to agree fully.
that verse schits on 99.99% of the "music" ive seen you post sk8dood. ? ? REALTALK! ? ?
but yea... kim and nicki... ? fits the theme perfectly. ? LOL. ?
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wow.
although i dont think i was too off in what i said about the civil war, there is some good reading in this thread about it...
thanks for the insight guys. :)
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HAHA
D00D likes Minaj's music, too
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she would get wrecked
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HAHA
D00D likes Minaj's music, too
i wouldnt say that ima fan but i recognize her talent. she bad as fuck too so i really cant hate on her like that aside from over-doing the gimmicks n whatnot
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WHAT WON'T THEY TALK ABOUT NEXT?!
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wow.
although i dont think i was too off in what i said about the civil war, there is some good reading in this thread about it...
thanks for the insight guys. :)
Civil war? What the fuck are you talking about? Who cares man.
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you quoted, so you must be in "care mode". ;)
but i meant my lincoln comment... which your response to seems to have led to a civil war/confederacy discussion...
which im sure you already knew.
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What's that mongo? The Gipper can't hear you...and he damn sure ain't gonna read between the lines...he ain't got time for that shit...he's the fuck'n Gipper, busy fighting for change...holy'r than thou! just fuck'n waaaiiting for the globalist green fascists to tell him to commit suicide in the name "liberalism" and to repent and redeem himself from the sins of his carbon footprint. The Gipper is brainwashed to function like the state wants him to and only respond in a reactionary and absurd manner to issues of substance and importance...TwilightFuckingZone...Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace....As is custom on the Slap forum and in modern American idiocracy fashion, he strives to cultivate discussion only about the most asinine shit. (insert 20+ mind-fucking-numbing photos of female (???) "rappers"(???) and beyond dimwitted comments about "hittin' that fake ass") But to address or look into issues like the central-bank mechanism, fiat money and perpetual debt....no fucking way will his conditioning and cognitive dissonance allow him to get that "radical". He might get labeled a conspiracy theorist....or his "team" (the current administration) might just use the NDAA passed under left cover and lablel him a terrorist and we'd never hear from him on his precious soap box again...
Anyway, Dude, Gipper, give TMKF or me your address and we'll get you that advanced copy to do that review of the video. That'd be fun.
f-ing prick.
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Big Sean - Dance (A$$) Remix ft. Nicki Minaj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1VGytzXus#ws)
"Somebody point me to the best ass eater."
If you insist Nicki
Lil B - Ima Eat Her A$$ *MUSIC VIDEO* LADIES A MUST WATCH HAVE FUN AND DANCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9y-yh8Xt8#ws)
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What's that mongo? The Gipper can't hear you...and he damn sure ain't gonna read between the lines...he ain't got time for that shit...he's the fuck'n Gipper, busy fighting for change...holy'r than thou! just fuck'n waaaiiting for the globalist green fascists to tell him to commit suicide in the name "liberalism" and to repent and redeem himself from the sins of his carbon footprint. The Gipper is brainwashed to function like the state wants him to and only respond in a reactionary and absurd manner to issues of substance and importance...TwilightFuckingZone...Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace....As is custom on the Slap forum and in modern American idiocracy fashion, he strives to cultivate discussion only about the most asinine shit. (insert 20+ mind-fucking-numbing photos of female (???) "rappers"(???) and beyond dimwitted comments about "hittin' that fake ass") But to address or look into issues like the central-bank mechanism, fiat money and perpetual debt....no fucking way will his conditioning and cognitive dissonance allow him to get that "radical". He might get labeled a conspiracy theorist....or his "team" (the current administration) might just use the NDAA passed under left cover and lablel him a terrorist and we'd never hear from him on his precious soap box again...
Anyway, Dude, Gipper, give TMKF or me your address and we'll get you that advanced copy to do that review of the video. That'd be fun.
f-ing prick.
where'd I put my popcorn?? Oh, here it is
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What's that mongo? The Gipper can't hear you...and he damn sure ain't gonna read between the lines...he ain't got time for that shit...he's the fuck'n Gipper, busy fighting for change...holy'r than thou! just fuck'n waaaiiting for the globalist green fascists to tell him to commit suicide in the name "liberalism" and to repent and redeem himself from the sins of his carbon footprint. The Gipper is brainwashed to function like the state wants him to and only respond in a reactionary and absurd manner to issues of substance and importance...TwilightFuckingZone...Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace....As is custom on the Slap forum and in modern American idiocracy fashion, he strives to cultivate discussion only about the most asinine shit. (insert 20+ mind-fucking-numbing photos of female (???) "rappers"(???) and beyond dimwitted comments about "hittin' that fake ass") But to address or look into issues like the central-bank mechanism, fiat money and perpetual debt....no fucking way will his conditioning and cognitive dissonance allow him to get that "radical". He might get labeled a conspiracy theorist....or his "team" (the current administration) might just use the NDAA passed under left cover and lablel him a terrorist and we'd never hear from him on his precious soap box again...
Anyway, Dude, Gipper, give TMKF or me your address and we'll get you that advanced copy to do that review of the video. That'd be fun.
f-ing prick.
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ok this thread has strayed too damn far off topic.
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What's that mongo? The Gipper can't hear you...and he damn sure ain't gonna read between the lines...he ain't got time for that shit...he's the fuck'n Gipper, busy fighting for change...holy'r than thou! just fuck'n waaaiiting for the globalist green fascists to tell him to commit suicide in the name "liberalism" and to repent and redeem himself from the sins of his carbon footprint. The Gipper is brainwashed to function like the state wants him to and only respond in a reactionary and absurd manner to issues of substance and importance...TwilightFuckingZone...Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace....As is custom on the Slap forum and in modern American idiocracy fashion, he strives to cultivate discussion only about the most asinine shit. (insert 20+ mind-fucking-numbing photos of female (???) "rappers"(???) and beyond dimwitted comments about "hittin' that fake ass") But to address or look into issues like the central-bank mechanism, fiat money and perpetual debt....no fucking way will his conditioning and cognitive dissonance allow him to get that "radical". He might get labeled a conspiracy theorist....or his "team" (the current administration) might just use the NDAA passed under left cover and lablel him a terrorist and we'd never hear from him on his precious soap box again...
Anyway, Dude, Gipper, give TMKF or me your address and we'll get you that advanced copy to do that review of the video. That'd be fun.
f-ing prick.
TL;DR
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seriously though... i think we all got that you were trying to extend the conversation about the war into broader conversation about the "big picture", but don't get all mad because SLAP faded your point before you had a chance to blow your intellectual wad. chill fool.
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What's that mongo? The Gipper can't hear you...and he damn sure ain't gonna read between the lines...he ain't got time for that shit...he's the fuck'n Gipper, busy fighting for change...holy'r than thou! just fuck'n waaaiiting for the globalist green fascists to tell him to commit suicide in the name "liberalism" and to repent and redeem himself from the sins of his carbon footprint. The Gipper is brainwashed to function like the state wants him to and only respond in a reactionary and absurd manner to issues of substance and importance...TwilightFuckingZone...Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace....As is custom on the Slap forum and in modern American idiocracy fashion, he strives to cultivate discussion only about the most asinine shit. (insert 20+ mind-fucking-numbing photos of female (???) "rappers"(???) and beyond dimwitted comments about "hittin' that fake ass") But to address or look into issues like the central-bank mechanism, fiat money and perpetual debt....no fucking way will his conditioning and cognitive dissonance allow him to get that "radical". He might get labeled a conspiracy theorist....or his "team" (the current administration) might just use the NDAA passed under left cover and lablel him a terrorist and we'd never hear from him on his precious soap box again...
Anyway, Dude, Gipper, give TMKF or me your address and we'll get you that advanced copy to do that review of the video. That'd be fun.
f-ing prick.
TL;DR
(http://chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/funny-captions-spiderman-just-relax.jpg)
seriously though... i think we all got that you were trying to extend the conversation about the war into broader conversation about the "big picture", but don't get all mad because SLAP faded your point before you had a chance to blow your intellectual wad. chill fool.
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I don't think he's mad more so frustrated because there was a serious debate/conversation about the Civil War and then the topic got diverted into modern pop culture(i.e. lil kim and whatever the fuck the other chicks name is). This distraction/diversion is actually part of the "big picture" you mentioned and is also ironically a form of the modern slavery, which is not so much physical but mental slavery. Plus both these guys(the gipper and the real deal) are just as stubborn as can be.
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...just getting on Gip's ass 'cause it's fun. The same reason he's a dick on here.
Gip is always trying to "win" but he doesn't have that gentlemens code of how to deal with a formidable opponent, ...if there is a modicum of politeness or respect, he perceives it as weekness....It's more entertaining that way anyhow. Just a fun way to prompt him to address shit that I actually wonder what he thinks of. I don't think I would ever really bring up political stuff on Slap...but The Gipper is always injecting it so I thought it''d be fun to roll with it.
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Realdeal, I was going to put a long winded thing about how regular your philosophies are, and what a pathetic, one side reading brainwash victim you are, but that would be giving you too much respect. You're a fucking idiot. Read something outside of the Ron Paul cult reading list. I actually read a huge variety of historical sources, which is what makes your silly little "left wing brainwashing" argument so hillariously ironic.
Read a book, then we can debate. Until you understand basic shit, we have nothing to talk about. Maybe start with the gilded age or "what happened when people tried that Austrian style bullshit in America!"
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I'm a filipino living in America
#vans #swag #newera
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Filipino girls are super hot.
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for a second there this thread was a bit interesting...
but this last page just flew well over my head...
ron paul 2012! 8)
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i wish this would happened to this thread ;
O'Doyle rules (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GxJX3yn1DY&feature=youtu.be#)
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is this a slap civil war happening? lets put this meaningless thread back on topic
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is this a slap civil war happening? lets put this meaningless thread back on topic
and who do you think you are, mister sassy britches?
This thread will go wherever it pleases. And right now, I think it's going to a rebuttal by Realdeal
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for a second there this thread was a bit interesting...
but this last page just flew well over my head...
ron paul 2012! 8)
approximately 36,000 feet?? ;)
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
That's the best shit I've heard in awhile. I'm stealing that.
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
That's the best shit I've heard in awhile. I'm stealing that.
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Jeez, I go outside wireless coverage for 5 days and look what happens
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i would love to buttfuck niki minaj, maybe even tit-fuck her buttcheeks
That's the best shit I've heard in awhile. I'm stealing that.
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in prison that's called a homie glide.
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for a second there this thread was a bit interesting...
but this last page just flew well over my head...
ron paul 2012! 8)
approximately 36,000 feet?? ;)
haha Zing! +1
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let's get back on track here..
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Realdeal, I was going to put a long winded thing about how regular your philosophies are, and what a pathetic, one side reading brainwash victim you are, but that would be giving you too much respect. You're a fucking idiot. Read something outside of the Ron Paul cult reading list. I actually read a huge variety of historical sources, which is what makes your silly little "left wing brainwashing" argument so hillariously ironic.
Read a book, then we can debate. Until you understand basic shit, we have nothing to talk about. Maybe start with the gilded age or "what happened when people tried that Austrian style bullshit in America!"
Wow Gipper, I'm actually disappointed after this recent ridiculous rant of yours. It's funny because TheRealDeal isn't even a staunch Ron Paul supporter like I am. He obviously respects him and it's clear to see that he's the main voice within the mainstream political spectrum injecting real issues and exposing the banking oligarchy and the military industrial complex as well as pointing out the faults and corruptions of BOTH parties. I mean the guy has been very outspoken about the loss of civil liberties via The Patriot Act and NDAA and has fought against both as well as fighting for internet freedom long before bills like SOPA, PIPA and the current CISPA bill. In fact he was critical of such legislation back before it was popular, when internet censorship was being sold as a good thing because it was supposedly only against online pornography and gambling. He's been ultra critical of our failed foreign policy and perpetual wars overseas, voting against all of the kinetic actions in iraq, afghanistan and pakistan, of course libya as well but Dictator Obama(even taking a step further than Dictator Bush) doesn't think he even needs to consult the congress(or the American people) he claims he just gets his authority from the UN and Nato so there was no vote on lybia unfortunately, in fact Dennis Kucinich tried to sue the current administration for this but of course the supreme court shot it down. Paul has also continued to point out the obvious war propaganda for war with iran, which is increasingly similar to what we heard in the lead up to the iraq war, which turned out to be used for war profiteering, and the loss of privacy and liberties here in America.
As far as Austrian and free market economics are concerned, they have not ever been properly(ie slavery, tariffs) practiced within America and have been completely ignored since the institution of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, when America's monetary policy was handed over to a private central bank.
I really thought you would be more educated on such things Gipper, as for TheRealDeal, the guy is a nerd, he attended to school here in the states and abroad, reads a ton and is very educated and I believe used to look at things via a leftist perspective like you until his education on such matters grew and progressed past that. To paint him with such a brush as a "Ron Paul cultist" is not only unfair but you're simply wrong. Now me, sure you could lump me into that category if you'd like, I barely graduated from high school and just ended up working my way up in my business. I back Ron Paul hard, and have since 2007, I'm a Ron Paul delegate in Virginia's 11th district in fact. As I pointed out earlier he's the main guy in the mainstream dropping hammers against the corruption of the big banks/corporations and the military industrial complex and the current war against civil liberties in the name of security(ie the phony war on terror), and he has been for 30 years. I can't speak for TheRealDeal but I can say with absolute certainty that neither him nor I tow either party line, in fact we're both very critical of both parties and feel bad for those who get suckered into either system because they've both proven to be failures and to back stab America and the American people.
Anyway Gipper, if you'd like we should continue these debates outside of Slap because no one here really gives a shit, obviously the 3 of us are passionate about such matters. You'll definitely get one of the first copy's of our video, plus we borrowed the title from one of your progressive heroes I'm sure ;)
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Realdeal, I was going to put a long winded thing about how regular your philosophies are, and what a pathetic, one side reading brainwash victim you are, but that would be giving you too much respect. You're a fucking idiot. Read something outside of the Ron Paul cult reading list. I actually read a huge variety of historical sources, which is what makes your silly little "left wing brainwashing" argument so hillariously ironic.
Read a book, then we can debate. Until you understand basic shit, we have nothing to talk about. Maybe start with the gilded age or "what happened when people tried that Austrian style bullshit in America!"
Anyway Gipper, if you'd like we should continue these debates outside of Slap because no one here really gives a shit, obviously the 3 of us are passionate about such matters. You'll definitely get one of the first copy's of our video, we borrowed the title from one of your progressive heroes.? ;)
Not true. Carry on.
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so Abe Lincoln emancipated John from the Chief's shackles, but now hes sponsorless? someone fill me in here
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so Abe Lincoln emancipated John from the Chief's shackles, but now hes sponsorless? someone fill me in here
I think you had it right before-Lincoln now on Zero. Only time will tell if he is able to liberate the brand from the confederacy.
John beamed up by Alien(s)...?
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wait...... this lincoln?
time lincoln athf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJpWosXqp-w#)
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11 pages and still no word
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I think it's pretty obvious. By now, our very own Slap participant (ISUCK) would have gotten word of this topic and either would (a) put him back on the site, or (b) clarify on the board......so yes John Fitzgerald is NOT on Zero anymore
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Some reliable sources told me they were looking for a reason to cut him from Zero because he smelled bad,
like he didn't wipe his ass on tours and stuff. So that means OIAM last year was a waste of time and John Fitzgerald
is one crusty dillywopper
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He rides for Workshop.
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He rides for Workshop.
Really? I hope not.
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no you idiots, lincoln is a tyrant who only used john being off zero as an excuse to buttfuck the chief's wife, so jamie went to war with him
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no you idiots, lincoln is a tyrant who only used john being off zero as an excuse to buttfuck the chief's wife, so jamie went to war with him
this guy ?
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/Abraham-Lincoln-Vampire-Hunter.jpg)
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Yes. And John is a vampire. You didn't notice that he hung in the shade during OIAM? How about when Reuben ordered a reuben and put garlic salt on it? Didn't you see how John hissed and ran away?
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slavery in the gilded age? nah. Sorry, been tried, done failed. Austrian econ creates unstable boom-bust economies. has happened, would happen again.
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how bout slavery in the modern age?
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Slavery is bigger now than it was in the 1800s.
True story
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slavery in the gilded age? nah. Sorry, been tried, done failed. Austrian econ creates unstable boom-bust economies. has happened, would happen again.
Hahaha no you've got it backwards Gip, Keynesian Economics cause unstable booms and busts, not Austrian Economics, look it up and you'll see you've got the 2 mixed up. Idk what do you mean by "it would happen again"? As if bubbles aren't constantly occurring today. Remember the financial bubble? the .com bubble? The housing bubble? The building student loan bubble? Which surpassed US credit card debt almost a year ago. All of these have been built over the past 30 years using Keynesian Economics not Austrian Economics. In fact it was Richard Nixon in 1971 who officially said "We're all Keynesian's now" after he took away any tie from US dollars to gold or silver. There can't be booms and bust under Austrian Economics because when you don't follow them and your business fails it goes under, there are no artificially low or free loans to bail it out and the free market takes over and the debt is liquidated. However under a Keynesian system more money is pumped in built on credit so artificially it builds a bubble that will eventually burst. Think of it like this, say you were 100k in credit card debt, would you go out and open another credit card to pay down half of it? It might keep you afloat for another few months maybe even a year but you've now accumulated $150k in debt plus the extra interest. When you're in debt like this it's obvious that you need to cut your spending, work harder to earn more money and pay your current debt down or file bankruptcy. If that's what a normal company or household would do, then why would that theory be any different for a large bank, corporation or government? It isn't, the problem is these are criminals that take the loans to save themselves and dump the debt on the American people but in the mean time they print the money to save themselves/their companies. And each time they print more money and put it into circulation or digitally on a computer it devalues each dollar in existence. This devaluation is called inflation and is a hidden tax on the American people and hurts the low income people the most because it causes their everyday expenses like gas & food to go up. Even though the dollar is the world reserve currency and it only causes those items to go up by small margin a family living paycheck to paycheck those small margins still hurt. They give the middle class individuals a feeling of insecurity in which they feel uncomfortable expanding their business or hiring more people. If and when the US Dollar has been devalued so much that it is no longer the world reserve currency it has potential for the bottom to fall out and cause hyper inflation and the eventual crash of the dollar. Now some say this is crazy and will never happen, and maybe they're right(which I doubt) but bear in mind that the US dollar/treasury bonds have already been degraded and many countries in the middle east and even China have discussed no longer selling goods in our currency anymore so it's already happening. Just something to think about, and as I said I believe you're mixing up the terms, Austrian and Keynesian.
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Really? I hope not.
it's true
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it's true
It's definitely true, this topic about John Fitzgerald was over after the first person who mentioned Workshop. He's going to ride for them case closed.
This topic is was obviously about Gilbert Crockett, The Civil War, Lil Kim and is now focused on Economics.....get with it. Seriously though John Fitzgerald will be on Alien. The reason ISUCK hasn't said anything on here yet and maybe never will is probably because he's bummed. Wouldn't you be if you lost a sick rider to another company? I think the companies are trying to keep it under wraps but shit with instagram, Facebook, twitter and all that shit everyone already knows that he's riding for the Workshop, him and Donovan are homies, it's clear as crystal.
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slavery in the gilded age? nah. Sorry, been tried, done failed. Austrian econ creates unstable boom-bust economies. has happened, would happen again.
Hahaha no you've got it backwards Gip, Keynesian Economics cause unstable booms and busts, not Austrian Economics, look it up and you'll see you've got the 2 mixed up. Idk what do you mean by "it would happen again"? As if bubbles aren't constantly occurring today. Remember the financial bubble? the .com bubble? The housing bubble? The building student loan bubble? Which surpassed US credit card debt almost a year ago. All of these have been built over the past 30 years using Keynesian Economics not Austrian Economics. In fact it was Richard Nixon in 1971 who officially said "We're all Keynesian's now" after he took away any tie from US dollars to gold or silver. There can't be booms and bust under Austrian Economics because when you don't follow them and your business fails it goes under, there are no artificially low or free loans to bail it out and the free market takes over and the debt is liquidated. However under a Keynesian system more money is pumped in built on credit so artificially it builds a bubble that will eventually burst. Think of it like this, say you were 100k in credit card debt, would you go out and open another credit card to pay down half of it? It might keep you afloat for another few months maybe even a year but you've now accumulated $150k in debt plus the extra interest. When you're in debt like this it's obvious that you need to cut your spending, work harder to earn more money and pay your current debt down or file bankruptcy. If that's what a normal company or household would do, then why would that theory be any different for a large bank, corporation or government? It isn't, the problem is these are criminals that take the loans to save themselves and dump the debt on the American people but in the mean time they print the money to save themselves/their companies. And each time they print more money and put it into circulation or digitally on a computer it devalues each dollar in existence. This devaluation is called inflation and is a hidden tax on the American people and hurts the low income people the most because it causes their everyday expenses like gas & food to go up. Even though the dollar is the world reserve currency and it only causes those items to go up by small margin a family living paycheck to paycheck those small margins still hurt. They give the middle class individuals a feeling of insecurity in which they feel uncomfortable expanding their business or hiring more people. If and when the US Dollar has been devalued so much that it is no longer the world reserve currency it has potential for the bottom to fall out and cause hyper inflation and the eventual crash of the dollar. Now some say this is crazy and will never happen, and maybe they're right(which I doubt) but bear in mind that the US dollar/treasury bonds have already been degraded and many countries in the middle east and even China have discussed no longer selling goods in our currency anymore so it's already happening. Just something to think about, and as I said I believe you're mixing up the terms, Austrian and Keynesian.
No, Keynesian policies actually work and have saved and stabilized our economy when used properly. Austrian policy has failed us when used properly.
Between 1933-1970, the height of Keynesian economics, how many busts, crashes, panics, or failures were there? None. Hell, even in the 70's it was a slowdown rather than any sort of crash or panic. Do you know how many occurred during the laissez faire gilded age? Countless. 66, 69 (the one started when a single investor manipulated gold investment value, which is obviously overvalued in an Austrian system), 77, 93... it was an endless string of booms, busts, and crazy speculative moves designed to corner resources. We've moved more towards it lately starting with Reagan in the 80's, what have we gotten for it? The Reagan recession of '82, the S&L crisis and subsequent market crash of '89, the tech bubble bust of 2000, the housing bubble bust of 2008. The closer we move to Austrian policies the more volatile the market gets. Also, if you look at predictions of economic issues, a recent study was done showing Keynesian Paul Krugman was able to make the most accurate predictions of future economic activity. Check it here:
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/130485/claim-krugman-is-top-prognosticator-cal-thomas-is-the-worst/ (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/130485/claim-krugman-is-top-prognosticator-cal-thomas-is-the-worst/)
Also, I want to know how anti-imperialism and a society which bases monetary value on a single natural resource could ever possibly work out. Do you really think the U.S. wouldn't take its huge arsenal and begin attacking the fuck out of any country with any sort of gold reserves? That's how we react to any other high value resource, why would the American people suddenly have different ideals in this situation when the incentive would be so much higher for invasions. Going into debt? Invade a country with gold mines. Whats that? Greece is doing them same thing? Blow them back to the stone age! That's how it worked in the Gilded Age, which was also the height of American Imperial expansion (What a coincidence!)
Also, how do you answer to the fact that in a gold based era with no regulation by the fed, banks would pay different amounts of gold to customers for a dollar, as there was no standard. Why would this change in modern times with the same policy? A person could make or lose money simply based on how their bank valued it. Of course, since banks liked to make money, the value in gold of a dollar would also vary based on the transaction in a way that clearly benefited the banks over common people. Its no surprise that during this era, banks held more sway over D.C. than they do even today.
Again, as somebody who has studied history I understand that the arguments you push today, which may seem logical, have seemed logical in the past, and when these methods have been tried, terrible things have happened.
But just for fun, here is a fun debate between the two biggest faces in Keynesian and Austrian economics today hashing it out:
Ron Paul VS Paul Krugman 4-30-12 FULL Bloomberg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoGKpnutyA#ws)
I've seen some dumbass Paulites claiming Ron Paul "schooled him" but if you actually understand the references both are making, Krugman makes him look juvenile
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slavery in the gilded age? nah. Sorry, been tried, done failed. Austrian econ creates unstable boom-bust economies. has happened, would happen again.
Hahaha no you've got it backwards Gip, Keynesian Economics cause unstable booms and busts, not Austrian Economics, look it up and you'll see you've got the 2 mixed up. Idk what do you mean by "it would happen again"? As if bubbles aren't constantly occurring today. Remember the financial bubble? the .com bubble? The housing bubble? The building student loan bubble? Which surpassed US credit card debt almost a year ago. All of these have been built over the past 30 years using Keynesian Economics not Austrian Economics. In fact it was Richard Nixon in 1971 who officially said "We're all Keynesian's now" after he took away any tie from US dollars to gold or silver. There can't be booms and bust under Austrian Economics because when you don't follow them and your business fails it goes under, there are no artificially low or free loans to bail it out and the free market takes over and the debt is liquidated. However under a Keynesian system more money is pumped in built on credit so artificially it builds a bubble that will eventually burst. Think of it like this, say you were 100k in credit card debt, would you go out and open another credit card to pay down half of it? It might keep you afloat for another few months maybe even a year but you've now accumulated $150k in debt plus the extra interest. When you're in debt like this it's obvious that you need to cut your spending, work harder to earn more money and pay your current debt down or file bankruptcy. If that's what a normal company or household would do, then why would that theory be any different for a large bank, corporation or government? It isn't, the problem is these are criminals that take the loans to save themselves and dump the debt on the American people but in the mean time they print the money to save themselves/their companies. And each time they print more money and put it into circulation or digitally on a computer it devalues each dollar in existence. This devaluation is called inflation and is a hidden tax on the American people and hurts the low income people the most because it causes their everyday expenses like gas & food to go up. Even though the dollar is the world reserve currency and it only causes those items to go up by small margin a family living paycheck to paycheck those small margins still hurt. They give the middle class individuals a feeling of insecurity in which they feel uncomfortable expanding their business or hiring more people. If and when the US Dollar has been devalued so much that it is no longer the world reserve currency it has potential for the bottom to fall out and cause hyper inflation and the eventual crash of the dollar. Now some say this is crazy and will never happen, and maybe they're right(which I doubt) but bear in mind that the US dollar/treasury bonds have already been degraded and many countries in the middle east and even China have discussed no longer selling goods in our currency anymore so it's already happening. Just something to think about, and as I said I believe you're mixing up the terms, Austrian and Keynesian.
Between 1933-1970, the height of Keynesian economics, how many busts, crashes, panics, or failures were there? None. Hell, even in the 70's it was a slowdown rather than any sort of crash or panic. Do you know how many occurred during the laissez faire gilded age? Countless. 66, 69 (the one started when a single investor manipulated gold investment value, which is obviously overvalued in an Austrian system), 77, 93... it was an endless string of booms, busts, and crazy speculative moves designed to corner resources. We've moved more towards it lately starting with Reagan in the 80's, what have we gotten for it? The Reagan recession of '82, the S&L crisis and subsequent market crash of '89, the tech bubble bust of 2000, the housing bubble bust of 2008. The closer we move to Austrian policies the more volatile the market gets. Also, if you look at predictions of economic issues, a recent study was done showing Keynesian Paul Krugman was able to make the most accurate predictions of future economic activity. Check it here:
http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/130485/claim-krugman-is-top-prognosticator-cal-thomas-is-the-worst/ (http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/130485/claim-krugman-is-top-prognosticator-cal-thomas-is-the-worst/)
Also, I want to know how anti-imperialism and a society which bases monetary value on a single natural resource could ever possibly work out. Do you really think the U.S. wouldn't take its huge arsenal and begin attacking the fuck out of any country with any sort of gold reserves? That's how we react to any other high value resource, why would the American people suddenly have different ideals in this situation when the incentive would be so much higher for invasions. Going into debt? Invade a country with gold mines. Whats that? Greece is doing them same thing? Blow them back to the stone age! That's how it worked in the Gilded Age, which was also the height of American Imperial expansion (What a coincidence!)
Also, how do you answer to the fact that in a gold based era with no regulation by the fed, banks would pay different amounts of gold to customers for a dollar, as there was no standard. Why would this change in modern times with the same policy? A person could make or lose money simply based on how their bank valued it. Of course, since banks liked to make money, the value in gold of a dollar would also vary based on the transaction in a way that clearly benefited the banks over common people. Its no surprise that during this era, banks held more sway over D.C. than they do even today.
Again, as somebody who has studied history I understand that the arguments you push today, which may seem logical, have seemed logical in the past, and when these methods have been tried, terrible things have happened.
But just for fun, here is a fun debate between the two biggest faces in Keynesian and Austrian economics today hashing it out:
Ron Paul VS Paul Krugman 4-30-12 FULL Bloomberg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoGKpnutyA#ws)
I've seen some dumbass Paulites claiming Ron Paul "schooled him" but if you actually understand the references both are making, Krugman makes him look juvenile
Wait an minute...you're claiming there were no busts after 1933? The great depression didn't even end until after WW2 in the early to mid 40s so thats at least 10 years right there you didn't account for. The real question is why was the depression so drawn out? Well it's the same reason our current recession is being drawn out. Because money kept being artificially pumped in making the problem worse and worse until they finally stopped and 'magically' the depression ended.
Clearly Krugman is wrong here and so are you, which isn't hard to prove when you look at where American is today economically. Those "terrible things" you speak of? They are alive and well today due to our current polices and policies over the past 100 years, and since Austrian and free markets were not used therefore they cannot be blamed. Krugman claims everything is fine and will get better but Ron Paul predicted the bubbles bursting years before people even recognized them as bubbles. Krugman, Bernake shit just about everyone in the mainstream media up until just a couple months before the housing bubble bust claimed all was well, when Ron Paul warned about it in 2001 and 2003 on the house floor, why don't you pull up that video? In this video Krugman did get completely owned and is philosophically wrong on so many points, he even admitted it later that day on his his blog, claiming that debates were useless, and would've been even more so if Paul would've been given a more fair amount of time and wasn't interrupted like his is on all the shows that are bought and payed for by the big banks and large corporations. I do understand the references, Krugman was seriously claiming that the fed not creating enough money fast enough is what led to the great depression when in actuality it was the fact that they created money and were pumping it in in the first place instead of just letting the debt liquidate. The guy is a complete idiot, and most likely a hired shill by the big banks, there's no way he can really believe what he says, just as theres no way everyone was blind to the housing bubble collapsing in 2008. How can anyone continue to blame Austrian Economics when our Economy has been a Keynesian model for well over 50 years and is failing under it. It is you who do not understand the references and I suggest if you really care about this to do some deeper research because you're so far off Gipper, I guess I gave you more credit then you were due. Honestly Gipper you really believe that you can create a better economic environment by creating more debt and inflation? Is that what you're honestly buying into? That is what Krugman believes, that is what the Federal Reserve believes, but who does that theory benefit? Them and their banker friends and corporations(i.e. Goldman Sachs, GE etc.). You're really got a longer way to go than I thought, its okay though because if you truly care you'll get there, I've seen worse, I've seen complete neocons thrilled with our government killing any brown person with a turban and thought that was of no consequence turn around so hopefully you're further along then them.
Anyway where was Krugman here...
Ron Paul Predicts 2007 Housing Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLm7Sw402xE#)
This isn't the only prediction he's made but the largest and most current that was widely discussed and "missed" by everyone in the mainstream, that is if you really think it was missed and wasn't just them trying to buy time. Paul isn't some sort of psychic he just understands economic policies and history, thats the whole reason he left his practice and went into congress, he didn't go in there to gain power and strike it rich by taking money from lobbyists of insider trade like the rest of these clowns. If you can't see that you're blind, blinded by the left. That'd be like me not giving Dennis Kucinich credit where credit is due for his work fighting for civil liberties and a constitutional foreign policy.
I'm sure you will now defend the current administrations foreign policy as well, however I'm sure you bashed the same exact policies under the last administration simply because it was a Republican, and not because you understood what they were doing was wrong, because the current Democrat administration is doing the same thing, and even taking things a step further with the passing of NDAA and going into Lybia without even consulting congress for a kinetic action vote, which is still illegal but what Bush did. You're such a good 'team player' Gipper the Democratic party loves you and thanks you.
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Totally agree with you TMKF, reading your post's remind me of Webster Tarpley.
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Totally agree with you TMKF, reading your post's remind me of Webster Tarpley.
While I don't agree with Tarpley on everything, he certainly understands economics as well as the severity of what we're facing economically on a global scale. Honestly though it's not hard to understand these things, I wouldn't consider myself a very smart guy, as I said earlier I barely graduated high school, but Gipper will blindly follow anything toting a democratic flag or spewing left wing talking points, it's sad because he's probably much more intelligent then I am but simply can't think logically or for himself, whats worse is he doesn't even realize it. I don't have an elegance to any party or group I only care for the truth.
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I should add Gipper that I don't believe a gold or silver backed currency to be perfect, gold can also be manipulated by those who own the majority of it, and this did happen at that time, however there is a limit as to how much it's manipulated because it is a solid resource and cannot be created out of unlimited paper or zeros in a computer. For instance today it takes 10 tons of rock to be smashed to come up with 1 ounce of gold, which is currently valued at $1600. Therefore it would be a much better and safer system than the one we have today, where a private bank with private interests determines our monetary policy in secret with absolutely no oversight and no transparency. In fact Ron Paul has been fighting for just an audit of the Fed books which is perfectly reasonable, I mean any American can be audited at anytime so why can't the Fed? And why is the Fed fighting against the audit? What are they hiding? Well he pushed and pushed and did get a small partial audit surrounding the TARP bailout and they found 15 trillion dollars(which is equal to the current debt owed and 2 trillion more than the entire GDP) that were loaned to big banks at 0% interest. Sure the banks paid the $15 trillion back after making a trillions for themselves off the free investment. However the US taxpayers who put that money up got nothing in return, and when a one of them goes to get a loan weather its for school, or to expand their business, or for a home they get charged a high interest rate if their credit isn't perfect and even if they have perfect credit they still aren't gonna get close to 0%. Which is sort of ironic since it was their tax dollars that allowed the fed to loan $15 trillion to their buddies at 0% interest. How is that fair? Why didn't the occupy movement address this? Why did they attack capitalism, when this sort of business isn't capitalism at all but fraud. I'll tell you why, because they were told to, they were co opted by the mainline democrats who tow that establishment line, just as the tea party was over taken by mainline republicans, which silenced the true legitimate protests of that movement. They made it political, they made you pick a team, which made both movements irrelevant in the end. Divide an conquer...the oldest trick in the book.
Anyway on with Economics....Bill Still has made the argument for a long time that we could have a nationalized Federal Reserve where the money is issued by the Treasury and a limit is set by congress via the people. I just don't have enough faith that this could work because corruption will always be there and then there is no limit on what credit can be issued and we're back where we are today. However I think its something that should be debated, and isn't and I believe there is good reason for this. You know that out of all of the the presidential debates this year and last they didn't bring up the federal reserve system at all in a question? Don't you find that odd? Of course Ron Paul brought it up but it was always quickly silenced, is that just another coincidence?
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wait, we're talking about kreayshawn now?
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Well, this thread ventured far off course....
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i find your guys's debate really interesting, and i admittedly dont keep up with political debates, but i think both your points would go across way better if you cut out all the personal jabs and attacks and just discussed things straight up, it adds an almost spiteful quality to the posts and makes me wonder about bias's and intention's more than the actual content. also this is just me but i dislike arguments based around opinions where everything is presented as incontestable facts
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Let's look at our differing interpretations of the trajectory of the great depression after '33. I'm going to use actual economic data:
(http://www.historyteacher.net/USProjects/DBQs2001/Unemployment_Chart.JPG)
See what happens to unemployment once FDR is elected? There is a short bump in unemployment in '37, but it is immediately corrected as unemployment again plummets. The U.S. actually didn't get involved directly in WWII until December of '41 ("December 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy..."). If you want to claim lend-lease helped, that was a Keynesian economic policy. When FDR started in office you had the horrors of the Okies as described in The Grapes of Wrath, and by '42, the U.S. was literally importing farmworkers to keep up with job demand through the bracero program.
It should also be noted that between '29 and '33 Hoover practiced the "leave it to the states and balance the budget" approach to fixing the economy, and look at what happened to unemployment! Through the roof!
Now, do you want to say that those employment numbers don't reflect real economic growth? How about the GDP?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D9-JNTtRKgs/TEcjg6rIUtI/AAAAAAAABHM/oTY5D4BO3cg/s1600/Picture+195.png)
Again, look what happens under conservative Paul-like policies? It plummets. FDR comes in and it goes through the roof. Again there is the slight bump in '37, but again it recovers quickly and outdoes itself. And this chart doesn't even show U.S. involvement in World War II. Also note, this chart is adjusted for inflation, meaning that it reflects real economic growth.
In that clip Paul claims there was no real recovery occurred until we paid down the deficit, but that's garbage, as the charts reflect. Although it was a long road to recovery, we would have never paid down any deficit if it weren't for the fact that FDR got people working again, got factories producing again, and readied America to be an arsenal to the world so that it could eventually have the economic viability to pay down its national debt.
If you want to see some real insane bullshit about how bad it can get, again, I refer you to the gilded age.
You can throw out all the theoretical philosophical bullshit you want, but I prefer empiricism. I judge what works economically by how it actually plays out in the real world under actual market circumstances, Paul's utopia is a non-plutocrat's nightmare, no matter how many different explanations you can come up with for why its not, it simply puts too much unstable power in the hands of the investment class, and results in shit like black friday in 1869, or the crashes in 29 and 89 at least.
As far as Obama's current economic policy goes, I'm a left critic. I believe in an FDR type approach and think there needs to be serious keynesian spending in order to stimulate the economy in the form of direct relief, not corporate welfare, as well as a 3 pronged approach that focuses on direct relief, economic recovery, and reform of an economic system that has run wild and become unstable. One thing I think he could start with is a break up of the "too big too fail" banks.
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i think it would be extremely interesting to see gipper teaching a class in real life.
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Gipper, what grade level(s) do you teach? What subjects?
How much leeway are you given with your curriculum? Could you pull a Michelle Pfeiffer?
Are you very much opposed to standardized testing?
What's your stance on global warming?
Do you feel like students get shafted at research 1 universities due to high number of adjunct professors?
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my classes are way different. We did the new deal a month ago. We did go over charts like these as well as how the new deal programs worked to fix the economy but also covered the extension of executive and federal powers. The students were asked if it was worth these sort of large scale permanent changes to solve a short term economic crisis was worth it. We talked about radicalism, Huey Long, and the several attempts and plans to overthrow the government on both the left and right, and even read an article about whether the economy would have naturally recovered as it did without the new deal. It ended with a socratic seminar and a position paper on the New Deal.
In the end, my personal studies have lead me to believe that the country was teetering on the edge of collapse and that the new deal was brilliant. But if I just told the kids that and presented my side in depth it wouldn't be any fun and it would allow for some other smooth talking asshole to tell them something different and undue any ideas I wanted to plant in their heads. I gave them some information and the big arguments from both sides and some questions to consider, if they want to look into it further there is this lovely thing called the internet and places called libraries where they can keep looking. Ideally when they look now though, they won't be brainwashed by the first stupid fuck with clever ideological arguments that don't actually work.
Gipper, what grade level(s) do you teach? What subjects?
11th. I'm trained as a social studies teacher but work across curriculums in a project based learning school:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project-based_learning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project-based_learning)
How much leeway are you given with your curriculum? Could you pull a Michelle Pfeiffer?
Both a lot and none at all, see above link for project based learning. I gotta stick with that sort of format, but am allowed to do a lot of shit within those guidelines. Much more than a traditional school.
On friday I worked with a kid who's project is on the evolution of skateboards. I guided him to check out Guy Mariano's part in Ban this, Video Days, and his clip in Tim and Henry to see how such a short time and the evolution of skateboards created a cause and effect relationship in how skating and boards themsleves evolved so quickly. He's also doing an experiment trying to figure out what size wheels will help him ollie the highest (the goal is to learn the scientific method). Another kid for his scientific method study is trying to build a potato gun, but it isn't working, so he is posing problems and using empiricism to see what he needs to adjust and how much.
We've also done a shitload of community service projects, and I help individual kids working on community activism projects.
All in all its kinda crazy.
Are you very much opposed to standardized testing?
Yeah. What good is that shit? So fact based. facts are so easily accessible and the methods of testing are so fucked and designed around basic facts rather than the ability to think and problem solve. I understand the need to make sure schools are doing their jobs, and read an article about other more successful countries having more success with standardized tests because they focus on problem posing type questions rather than memory recall. That's how you produce competent and critical thinking adults, or at least how you measure whether that is happening.
The stupid thing is a lot of those tests are predictable and stupid.
What's your stance on global warming?
Real. man made.
Do you feel like students get shafted at research 1 universities due to high number of adjunct professors?
I think they get screwed by the big name research professors who never teach a class. The school I went to advertised a lot of amazing people on faculty, I think I saw one walking through a hall, once. He was too busy on the lecture circuit and working on new books to teach any classes. There were some good other professors whose work I've come to respect more, but think the whole thing is stupid. Professors should teach classes.
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Let's look at our differing interpretations of the trajectory of the great depression after '33. I'm going to use actual economic data:
(http://www.historyteacher.net/USProjects/DBQs2001/Unemployment_Chart.JPG)
See what happens to unemployment once FDR is elected? There is a short bump in unemployment in '37, but it is immediately corrected as unemployment again plummets. The U.S. actually didn't get involved directly in WWII until December of '41 ("December 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy..."). If you want to claim lend-lease helped, that was a Keynesian economic policy. When FDR started in office you had the horrors of the Okies as described in The Grapes of Wrath, and by '42, the U.S. was literally importing farmworkers to keep up with job demand through the bracero program.
It should also be noted that between '29 and '33 Hoover practiced the "leave it to the states and balance the budget" approach to fixing the economy, and look at what happened to unemployment! Through the roof!
Now, do you want to say that those employment numbers don't reflect real economic growth? How about the GDP?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D9-JNTtRKgs/TEcjg6rIUtI/AAAAAAAABHM/oTY5D4BO3cg/s1600/Picture+195.png)
Again, look what happens under conservative Paul-like policies? It plummets. FDR comes in and it goes through the roof. Again there is the slight bump in '37, but again it recovers quickly and outdoes itself. And this chart doesn't even show U.S. involvement in World War II. Also note, this chart is adjusted for inflation, meaning that it reflects real economic growth.
In that clip Paul claims there was no real recovery occurred until we paid down the deficit, but that's garbage, as the charts reflect. Although it was a long road to recovery, we would have never paid down any deficit if it weren't for the fact that FDR got people working again, got factories producing again, and readied America to be an arsenal to the world so that it could eventually have the economic viability to pay down its national debt.
If you want to see some real insane bullshit about how bad it can get, again, I refer you to the gilded age.
You can throw out all the theoretical philosophical bullshit you want, but I prefer empiricism. I judge what works economically by how it actually plays out in the real world under actual market circumstances, Paul's utopia is a non-plutocrat's nightmare, no matter how many different explanations you can come up with for why its not, it simply puts too much unstable power in the hands of the investment class, and results in shit like black friday in 1869, or the crashes in 29 and 89 at least.
As far as Obama's current economic policy goes, I'm a left critic. I believe in an FDR type approach and think there needs to be serious keynesian spending in order to stimulate the economy in the form of direct relief, not corporate welfare, as well as a 3 pronged approach that focuses on direct relief, economic recovery, and reform of an economic system that has run wild and become unstable. One thing I think he could start with is a break up of the "too big too fail" banks.
First of all Gipper, Paul doesn't have a utopia, such things are fiction. And what's with comparing what his policies would be to Hoover's? Just because they are both "conservatives" doesn't mean that Hoover's policies would be Paul's policies. Shit Bush was a so called "conservative" too, that'd be like comparing Obama to FDR just because they're both "democrats". You're completely misinterpreting what actually happened and you're conveniently leaving out some very important points, such as the importance of FDRs gold confiscation in 1933. He gave the American people a 'New Deal' alright, where they were tricked into turning in their gold for US dollars and then those dollars were devalued almost overnight by 35-40%, so now all the debts had to be payed in devalued dollars, but the Government and the Fed could now pay its debt in gold which went up 35-40%. It may look by a chart like the GDP increased and like unemployment decreased and you're right it did, but these figures are due tot he fact that the dollar was worth far less than it was in years prior, so sure more people had jobs because people could afford paying them in the new devalued currency even though they were making the same amount of money it was just worth less. It may look as if the GDP went up but did the purchasing power go up? Did the average American's life and they way they lived improve during those years? Were they living more comfortable or more financially stable? No, that wasn't until after the war when the spending stopped and the debt started to really be paid. But what led to all this in the first place? Some would say it was the gold's fault that gold had somehow caused the depression. However it was the Feds artificially low interest rates in the early 20s which caused an expansion in the money supply and encouraged the American people to accumulate debt and mortgage their property. However the Fed knew it would raise interest rates once again in 1929 and stop issuing loans then after the crash the Fed loaned money to the banks to buy up all the assets for cheap and confiscated property that had been mortgaged. This pretty much transformed the nation from small independent business owners and farmers into a few corporations backed by banks. Jobs were given but the wages were low and soon devalued, and that's when the need for the welfare state came into play. Problem. Reaction. Solution...and looks like the Fed and their buddies win every time. So don't try to make FDR out to be a saint, he didn't do anything the guy was a propped up shill and nothing more. 'The New Deal' was nothing more than a sham much like 'hope' and 'change', it really was nothing more than a distraction. It would be like if today the dollar was devalued by 35% but prices on goods and wages remained the same, sure unemployment would fall because companies would be handing out $50k salary jobs all day, because it would really only cost them $32k, thats cheap work. Sure the GDP would go up because more people would be working but it wouldn't mean the country was better off.
Did you touch on FDR's tricky gold confiscation? It's funny how you say "I even read an article about whether the economy would have naturally recovered as it did without the new deal". Wow Gipper you were even objective? You actually looked at both sides? Wow man what a good teacher you are.
Gipper I'm thoroughly enjoying these debates, I just wanted to let you know ;)
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had a kid research that and present it to the class, as well as repatriation. Its part of the whole expanded federal powers thing. Did you see how I easily rebutted your predictable argument in my response by pointing out that the GDP growth in that chart is inflation adjusted, meaning that devalued currency argument doesn't really work as that is accounted for in the graph?
Yeah. Thought so.
That currency value argument doesn't really work, people didn't have savings, and there was less money in the entire economy than the amount of private debt owed by citizens. The idea that devaluing currency when personal debt is sinking the economy is a bad thing is silly. Thats why what FDR did worked and the standard of living improved, more people were employed, and productivity in the economy improved (the last two are clearly evident in the charts above). You can yap about inflation all you want, but a huge issue of the depression was the massive deflation that caused problems, not the inflation. Inflation helped the economy at that point. There was no way the private debts that existed would have ever been paid or any recovery could have ever begun when people personally owe more money than actually exists.
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fuck this thread
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fuck this thread
This is one of the more interesting threads to just sit and read as of late, so fuck YOU you frodo baggins lookin motherfucker
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ayo pman you might wanna go cop one of these
(http://www.first-aid-product.com/images/R/RC-648.jpg)
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ayo pman you might wanna go cop one of these
(http://www.first-aid-product.com/images/R/RC-648.jpg)
Haha I really just wanna know if John Fitzgerald is off Zero and on Workshop, is that too much to ask? I'm not burnt i'm just not into American Politics.
Fuck you sleepypancakes i'll get Sam Gamgee on yo ass
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Let's look at our differing interpretations of the trajectory of the great depression after '33. I'm going to use actual economic data:
(http://www.historyteacher.net/USProjects/DBQs2001/Unemployment_Chart.JPG)
See what happens to unemployment once FDR is elected? There is a short bump in unemployment in '37, but it is immediately corrected as unemployment again plummets. The U.S. actually didn't get involved directly in WWII until December of '41 ("December 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy..."). If you want to claim lend-lease helped, that was a Keynesian economic policy. When FDR started in office you had the horrors of the Okies as described in The Grapes of Wrath, and by '42, the U.S. was literally importing farmworkers to keep up with job demand through the bracero program.
It should also be noted that between '29 and '33 Hoover practiced the "leave it to the states and balance the budget" approach to fixing the economy, and look at what happened to unemployment! Through the roof!
Now, do you want to say that those employment numbers don't reflect real economic growth? How about the GDP?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D9-JNTtRKgs/TEcjg6rIUtI/AAAAAAAABHM/oTY5D4BO3cg/s1600/Picture+195.png)
Again, look what happens under conservative Paul-like policies? It plummets. FDR comes in and it goes through the roof. Again there is the slight bump in '37, but again it recovers quickly and outdoes itself. And this chart doesn't even show U.S. involvement in World War II. Also note, this chart is adjusted for inflation, meaning that it reflects real economic growth.
In that clip Paul claims there was no real recovery occurred until we paid down the deficit, but that's garbage, as the charts reflect. Although it was a long road to recovery, we would have never paid down any deficit if it weren't for the fact that FDR got people working again, got factories producing again, and readied America to be an arsenal to the world so that it could eventually have the economic viability to pay down its national debt.
If you want to see some real insane bullshit about how bad it can get, again, I refer you to the gilded age.
You can throw out all the theoretical philosophical bullshit you want, but I prefer empiricism. I judge what works economically by how it actually plays out in the real world under actual market circumstances, Paul's utopia is a non-plutocrat's nightmare, no matter how many different explanations you can come up with for why its not, it simply puts too much unstable power in the hands of the investment class, and results in shit like black friday in 1869, or the crashes in 29 and 89 at least.
As far as Obama's current economic policy goes, I'm a left critic. I believe in an FDR type approach and think there needs to be serious keynesian spending in order to stimulate the economy in the form of direct relief, not corporate welfare, as well as a 3 pronged approach that focuses on direct relief, economic recovery, and reform of an economic system that has run wild and become unstable. One thing I think he could start with is a break up of the "too big too fail" banks.
The Gip that keeps on Gipping....
Look man, I got shit to do, like hang out with my wife and...oh yeah, go skating....I don't have much time now but maybe I can address some of this nonsense tomorrow...
You know what, the wife can wait just a minute...right guys?
Gipper might not know it, but what he really needs, aside from a swift kick in the balls, is a crash course in money, which is fair enough, because it is not something that any of us were really taught...even some folks with masters degrees and phd's in economics have been have been hypnotized and indoctrinated to not see what is hidden in plain view. There is a great mystique surrounding the nature of money. It is generally regarded as beyond the understanding of mere mortals. Questions of the origin of money or the mechanism of its creation are seldom matters of public debate. We accept them as facts of life which are beyond our sphere of control. Thus, in a nation which assumes a high level of understanding among the electorate, the people themselves have blocked out one of the most important factors affecting, not only their government, but certainly their personal lives as well.
This attitude is not accidental, nor was it always so. There was a time in the fairly recent past when past when the humble voter, even without a formal education, was well informed on money matters and vitally concerned about their political implementation. Historically, major elections were actually won or lost depending on how candidates stood on the issue of a central bank. It has been in the interest of the money mandarins, however, to convince the public that, now, these issues are too complicated for novices. Through the use of technical jargon and by hiding simple reality inside a maze of bewildering procedures, they have caused an understanding of the nature of money to fade from the public consciousness.
I've really gotta run...
But Gipper, let me give you a writing prompt similar to one you might give your students:
What is money?
For now I am going to close with another quote of Abraham Lincoln's...since I already nostalgic about our Civil War "discussions". The quote has to do with his apprehension about the Bank Act.
"The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated into a few hands, and the republic destroyed."
Oh yeah and I am also nostalgic for talking about Gilbert's clothes...
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo262/zacchil82/UnionGil.jpg)
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Where is the prompt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMANMIe0ZZI&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMANMIe0ZZI&feature=player_embedded#)!
Similar sort of logic that Paulites use. If the premises she based her arguments on had any bearing in reality, there might be something there. Who do you trust, Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo? You have to choose.
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(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/ultipoop/tmbg-lincoln.jpg)
Anyone with me on this?
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Let's look at our differing interpretations of the trajectory of the great depression after '33. I'm going to use actual economic data:
(http://www.historyteacher.net/USProjects/DBQs2001/Unemployment_Chart.JPG)
See what happens to unemployment once FDR is elected? There is a short bump in unemployment in '37, but it is immediately corrected as unemployment again plummets. The U.S. actually didn't get involved directly in WWII until December of '41 ("December 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy..."). If you want to claim lend-lease helped, that was a Keynesian economic policy. When FDR started in office you had the horrors of the Okies as described in The Grapes of Wrath, and by '42, the U.S. was literally importing farmworkers to keep up with job demand through the bracero program.
It should also be noted that between '29 and '33 Hoover practiced the "leave it to the states and balance the budget" approach to fixing the economy, and look at what happened to unemployment! Through the roof!
Now, do you want to say that those employment numbers don't reflect real economic growth? How about the GDP?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D9-JNTtRKgs/TEcjg6rIUtI/AAAAAAAABHM/oTY5D4BO3cg/s1600/Picture+195.png)
Again, look what happens under conservative Paul-like policies? It plummets. FDR comes in and it goes through the roof. Again there is the slight bump in '37, but again it recovers quickly and outdoes itself. And this chart doesn't even show U.S. involvement in World War II. Also note, this chart is adjusted for inflation, meaning that it reflects real economic growth.
In that clip Paul claims there was no real recovery occurred until we paid down the deficit, but that's garbage, as the charts reflect. Although it was a long road to recovery, we would have never paid down any deficit if it weren't for the fact that FDR got people working again, got factories producing again, and readied America to be an arsenal to the world so that it could eventually have the economic viability to pay down its national debt.
If you want to see some real insane bullshit about how bad it can get, again, I refer you to the gilded age.
You can throw out all the theoretical philosophical bullshit you want, but I prefer empiricism. I judge what works economically by how it actually plays out in the real world under actual market circumstances, Paul's utopia is a non-plutocrat's nightmare, no matter how many different explanations you can come up with for why its not, it simply puts too much unstable power in the hands of the investment class, and results in shit like black friday in 1869, or the crashes in 29 and 89 at least.
As far as Obama's current economic policy goes, I'm a left critic. I believe in an FDR type approach and think there needs to be serious keynesian spending in order to stimulate the economy in the form of direct relief, not corporate welfare, as well as a 3 pronged approach that focuses on direct relief, economic recovery, and reform of an economic system that has run wild and become unstable. One thing I think he could start with is a break up of the "too big too fail" banks.
The Gip that keeps on Gipping....
Look man, I got shit to do, like hang out with my wife and...oh yeah, go skating....I don't have much time now but maybe I can address some of this nonsense tomorrow...
You know what, the wife can wait just a minute...right guys?
Gipper might not know it, but what he really needs, aside from a swift kick in the balls, is a crash course in money, which is fair enough, because it is not something that any of us were really taught...even some folks with masters degrees and phd's in economics have been have been hypnotized and indoctrinated to not see what is hidden in plain view. There is a great mystique surrounding the nature of money. It is generally regarded as beyond the understanding of mere mortals. Questions of the origin of money or the mechanism of its creation are seldom matters of public debate. We accept them as facts of life which are beyond our sphere of control. Thus, in a nation which assumes a high level of understanding among the electorate, the people themselves have blocked out one of the most important factors affecting, not only their government, but certainly their personal lives as well.
This attitude is not accidental, nor was it always so. There was a time in the fairly recent past when past when the humble voter, even without a formal education, was well informed on money matters and vitally concerned about their political implementation. Historically, major elections were actually won or lost depending on how candidates stood on the issue of a central bank. It has been in the interest of the money mandarins, however, to convince the public that, now, these issues are too complicated for novices. Through the use of technical jargon and by hiding simple reality inside a maze of bewildering procedures, they have caused an understanding of the nature of money to fade from the public consciousness.
I've really gotta run...
But Gipper, let me give you a writing prompt similar to one you might give your students:
What is money?
For now I am going to close with another quote of Abraham Lincoln's...since I already nostalgic about our Civil War "discussions". The quote has to do with his apprehension about the Bank Act.
"The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated into a few hands, and the republic destroyed."
Oh yeah and I am also nostalgic for talking about Gilbert's clothes...
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo262/zacchil82/UnionGil.jpg)
It's almost skilful the way you write so much but say so little.
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had a kid research that and present it to the class, as well as repatriation. Its part of the whole expanded federal powers thing. Did you see how I easily rebutted your predictable argument in my response by pointing out that the GDP growth in that chart is inflation adjusted, meaning that devalued currency argument doesn't really work as that is accounted for in the graph?
Yeah. Thought so.
That currency value argument doesn't really work, people didn't have savings, and there was less money in the entire economy than the amount of private debt owed by citizens. The idea that devaluing currency when personal debt is sinking the economy is a bad thing is silly. Thats why what FDR did worked and the standard of living improved, more people were employed, and productivity in the economy improved (the last two are clearly evident in the charts above). You can yap about inflation all you want, but a huge issue of the depression was the massive deflation that caused problems, not the inflation. Inflation helped the economy at that point. There was no way the private debts that existed would have ever been paid or any recovery could have ever begun when people personally owe more money than actually exists.
Tell the whole truth now Gipper, yes people went to work at devalued wages and from being independent farmers and business men to being forced into huge factories to work for large corporations. The debt was accumulated through fraud through artificially low interest rates.
Dude you're too far gone, and now you're bringing the poor kids you teach down with you. I feel bad for them, they're gonna be in their late 20s early 30s with thousands of dollars in student loan and credit card debt and their gonna wonder why the only job offers they get are only offering them a measly $80k a year, such an income would leave them poor after paying for their small apartment, hybrid car, taxes gas, food, student loan bills and credit card bills oh and don't forget their carbon tax too, if you get your way I'm sure they'll have that too. They can pay some rich men some more money and magically the earth will be more healthy. They're gonna continue charge up their credit cards and wonder if they're not spending fast enough, just hoping that they'll finally get out of their personal recession. Deep down they KNOW they will because their wonderful teacher Mr. Gipper taught them that debt and inflation was good for them. And that the government tricking them into giving up their investments to them and if they don't do it willingly they just take it and that's a good thing, after all America wouldn't exist without it. I'm sure the government will take good care of them though Gipper, of course the sun wouldn't come up in the morning and the grass wouldn't grow without that government, I even bet good ole' FDR will be looking down on them with a smile from ear to ear. In your world the not so distant future a $100k salary will be barely getting by, but hey unemployment will go down and the GDP will be up so thats all that matters right?
Is this a world you believe in Gipper? Are you seriously that brainwashed? The government confiscating peoples property to create inflation to save us from ourselves? Confiscating peoples food like evil raw milk and cheese from farms at gunpoint by the swat teams? Medical marijuana dispensaries with licenses shut down, but the borders left wide open for drugs to be smuggled in and weapons to be smuggled out(by the ATF). What I just posted may sound crazy but it's exactly what you're saying and some of it is already a reality.
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Nothing but ad hominem for a comeback. I'm not going to defend my teaching career to you.
Actually, wages were devalued from the conservative policies of the 20's. Under FDR unions were legalized under he NLRA, and the workers wages and real productivity went up. On top of that the agricultural adjustment act created a price floor for crops and created farm subsidies to keep family farms alive. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, none at all. What happened in the 30's is very much the opposite of the right wing gold standard based gilded age which did exactly what you claim happened under FDR, private industry tore through the countryside with bribery and destroyed family farms to the point of creating the grangers and the populist movement, which fought for a bimetal standard to eliminate the power of the big banks in the east. That's actually what the original Wizard of Oz was about, getting off the gold standard, the golden brick road led nowhere and the slippers, which were silver in the book represented a bimetal standard and a solution that was there all along. Privatized trainlines stole farmers lands and actually forced far more people into factories than ever. Read a fucking history book you idiot. You are thinking up is down and freedom is slavery.
Oh, and if you think that credit card debt and all of that shit would go away with a completely deregulated gold based economy you are wrong, we would just be wrecked more by them. That's how we ended up with more debt than money in the economy at the start of the great depression. Deregulation is the problem, which I believe we need to solve with common sense market reforms and regulations.
You arguments are a joke and show that you have read nothing but brainwashing propaganda. You have an outright false view of history, not even a revisionist one. You won't find documents or evidence anywhere that FDR destroyed family farms or that he forced factory workers into bad conditions, as conditions clearly, pointedly, and intentionally were helped through FDR's policies.
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Nothing but ad hominem for a comeback. I'm not going to defend my teaching career to you.
Actually, wages were devalued from the conservative policies of the 20's. Under FDR unions were legalized under he NLRA, and the workers wages and real productivity went up. On top of that the agricultural adjustment act created a price floor for crops and created farm subsidies to keep family farms alive. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, none at all. What happened in the 30's is very much the opposite of the right wing gold standard based gilded age which did exactly what you claim happened under FDR, private industry tore through the countryside with bribery and destroyed family farms to the point of creating the grangers and the populist movement, which fought for a bimetal standard to eliminate the power of the big banks in the east. That's actually what the original Wizard of Oz was about, getting off the gold standard, the golden brick road led nowhere and the slippers, which were silver in the book represented a bimetal standard and a solution that was there all along. Privatized trainlines stole farmers lands and actually forced far more people into factories than ever. Read a fucking history book you idiot. You are thinking up is down and freedom is slavery.
Oh, and if you think that credit card debt and all of that shit would go away with a completely deregulated gold based economy you are wrong, we would just be wrecked more by them. That's how we ended up with more debt than money in the economy at the start of the great depression. Deregulation is the problem, which I believe we need to solve with common sense market reforms and regulations.
You arguments are a joke and show that you have read nothing but brainwashing propaganda. You have an outright false view of history, not even a revisionist one. You won't find documents or evidence anywhere that FDR destroyed family farms or that he forced factory workers into bad conditions, as conditions clearly, pointedly, and intentionally were helped through FDR's policies.
Gipper the Slipper...You sound like a chump now...and you're dead wrong about what L. Frank Baum's "The Wizard of Oz" was about. Take a leisurely Sunday morning and watch this Bill Still documentary.
The Secret of Oz - Winner, Best Docu of 2010 v.1.09.11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI#ws)
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Problem. Reaction. Solution...
;D a fellow DI reader.
And Gipper you're delusional.
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sooo, john fitzgerald, zero..?
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Nothing but ad hominem for a comeback. I'm not going to defend my teaching career to you.
Actually, wages were devalued from the conservative policies of the 20's. Under FDR unions were legalized under he NLRA, and the workers wages and real productivity went up. On top of that the agricultural adjustment act created a price floor for crops and created farm subsidies to keep family farms alive. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, none at all. What happened in the 30's is very much the opposite of the right wing gold standard based gilded age which did exactly what you claim happened under FDR, private industry tore through the countryside with bribery and destroyed family farms to the point of creating the grangers and the populist movement, which fought for a bimetal standard to eliminate the power of the big banks in the east. That's actually what the original Wizard of Oz was about, getting off the gold standard, the golden brick road led nowhere and the slippers, which were silver in the book represented a bimetal standard and a solution that was there all along. Privatized trainlines stole farmers lands and actually forced far more people into factories than ever. Read a fucking history book you idiot. You are thinking up is down and freedom is slavery.
Oh, and if you think that credit card debt and all of that shit would go away with a completely deregulated gold based economy you are wrong, we would just be wrecked more by them. That's how we ended up with more debt than money in the economy at the start of the great depression. Deregulation is the problem, which I believe we need to solve with common sense market reforms and regulations.
You arguments are a joke and show that you have read nothing but brainwashing propaganda. You have an outright false view of history, not even a revisionist one. You won't find documents or evidence anywhere that FDR destroyed family farms or that he forced factory workers into bad conditions, as conditions clearly, pointedly, and intentionally were helped through FDR's policies.
Gipper the Slipper...You sound like a chump now...and you're dead wrong about what L. Frank Baum's "The Wizard of Oz" was about. Take a leisurely Sunday morning and watch this Bill Still documentary.
The Secret of Oz - Winner, Best Docu of 2010 v.1.09.11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI#ws)
OH MY GOD. You are so out of your league here son. You should have shut the fuck up, because now you are going to get sonned.
Yes it is you stupid fucking shit. Its very well known too. I've never laughed like this at the ignorance of a slap poster in my whole life. I'm like literally belly laughing at how stupid you are.
Baum said so himself, and even explained what the characters and symbols mean.
This guy even pointed out that it's about a bimetallic standard, admits that its about the gold standard, but decides to add "central bank gold" which is bullshit. Its about a gold standard. EVERYBODY knows this. The central bank determined gold to be the standard and forced people to trade in it.
This is EXACTLY the type of stupid brainwashing shit you dumbass paulbots listen to, and don't cross check.
Actually, the federal government banned trade in kind in the constitution and forced the gold standard in order to empower the merchant class in the , who helped write he constitution, but you didn't know that, because its not in Ron Paul propaganda. It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
The book was anti-banker and pro-bimetallism. Baum was pro Populist party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_%28United_States%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_%28United_States%29)
DO YOU FUCKING GET IT YET YOU FUCKING MORON?!?!?
My interpretation is NOT controversial.
The fucking Lion was William Jennings Bryan, you know, "the Cross of Gold" speech about bimetalism? Of course you don't. If you even understood that you would have NEVER challenged the common read and interpretation of The Wizard of Oz.
Its fucking hillarious how stupid and ignorant you are.
You aren't just stupid, you are IGNORANT
Your stupidity made me laugh in a new way.
Have you noticed how my sources come from a variety of places, and yours are entirely people pushing for this Austrian econ system, not open research. I can use all sorts of research to back what I am saying, you can use incorrect Austrian econ propaganda.
Its fucking hillarious how stupid and ignorant you are.
I'm not even going to argue with you now, I'm switching over to "Making fun of the dipshit who claims to understand history but doesn't even understand the cause of the Civil War and doesn't know the Populist movement even existed"
Just shut the fuck up. You are outclassed here and your stupid Ron Paul/Peter Schiff propaganda isn't working. Find one source not connected to Austrian propaganda that says the same stuff or corroborates their interpretations- NOBODY will do it.
Here, this is the google scholar return for "Wizard of Oz Bimetalism"
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=wizard+of+oz+bimetalism&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=wizard+of+oz+bimetalism&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on)
I didn't choose one article because EVERY article backs me in the google scholar section. So every article google has that has been published to a scholarly journal agrees with me....
Propagandists trying to brainwash you put out that video, but it goes against all academic agreement on the message.
Anybody who understands history is likely laughing with my about just how epicly STUPID and IGNORANT you are.
You Paulbots are all the same, you hear about legal weed, and a republican who is pro civil rights, then you look into it and read the whole series of Ron Paul propaganda and don't bother to learn any other history or economics, then claim you are experts in it.
No, you aren't. You haven't read enough or gotten enough perspectives.
Shut the fuck up and listen, you are an ignorant child and need to learn, not argue with more learned people than you, son.
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Gip, you need some fresh air pal.
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Stop following me around David Schwimmer. Sunday is an all work day, which means I sit in front of my computer doing work related shit all day pretty much. Don't worry, summer is like 5 weeks away, and I'm pretty sure I'll disappear entirely from here for at least a month. Giving cheesy 90's sitcom themed posters such as yourself more space to shine.
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sooo, john fitzgerald, zero..?
A million pages on this thread and Jamie Thomas hasn't intervened and he is off the cold war site....so it's more of a discussion of where he is going.
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Stop following me around David Schwimmer. Sunday is an all work day, which means I sit in front of my computer doing work related shit all day pretty much. Don't worry, summer is like 5 weeks away, and I'm pretty sure I'll disappear entirely from here for at least a month. Giving cheesy 90's sitcom themed posters such as yourself more space to shine.
Haha don't leave actually. If you leave I'll have to focus myself for the sake of others.
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Oh, I'll be back. You'll just have to go on summer hiatus like friends and come back for Schwimmer season 2 next fall.
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Oh, I'll be back. You'll just have to go on summer hiatus like friends and come back for Schwimmer season 2 next fall.
Good thing The Schwimmer got a full time job too, gonna get a break from raping the forum with my retardation.
Best of luck,
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Nothing but ad hominem for a comeback. I'm not going to defend my teaching career to you.
Actually, wages were devalued from the conservative policies of the 20's. Under FDR unions were legalized under he NLRA, and the workers wages and real productivity went up. On top of that the agricultural adjustment act created a price floor for crops and created farm subsidies to keep family farms alive. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, none at all. What happened in the 30's is very much the opposite of the right wing gold standard based gilded age which did exactly what you claim happened under FDR, private industry tore through the countryside with bribery and destroyed family farms to the point of creating the grangers and the populist movement, which fought for a bimetal standard to eliminate the power of the big banks in the east. That's actually what the original Wizard of Oz was about, getting off the gold standard, the golden brick road led nowhere and the slippers, which were silver in the book represented a bimetal standard and a solution that was there all along. Privatized trainlines stole farmers lands and actually forced far more people into factories than ever. Read a fucking history book you idiot. You are thinking up is down and freedom is slavery.
Oh, and if you think that credit card debt and all of that shit would go away with a completely deregulated gold based economy you are wrong, we would just be wrecked more by them. That's how we ended up with more debt than money in the economy at the start of the great depression. Deregulation is the problem, which I believe we need to solve with common sense market reforms and regulations.
You arguments are a joke and show that you have read nothing but brainwashing propaganda. You have an outright false view of history, not even a revisionist one. You won't find documents or evidence anywhere that FDR destroyed family farms or that he forced factory workers into bad conditions, as conditions clearly, pointedly, and intentionally were helped through FDR's policies.
Gipper the Slipper...You sound like a chump now...and you're dead wrong about what L. Frank Baum's "The Wizard of Oz" was about.� �Take a leisurely Sunday morning and watch this Bill Still documentary.
The Secret of Oz - Winner, Best Docu of 2010 v.1.09.11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI#ws)
OH MY GOD. You are so out of your league here son. You should have shut the fuck up, because now you are going to get sonned.
Yes it is you stupid fucking shit. Its very well known too.� I've never laughed like this at the ignorance of a slap poster in my whole life. I'm like literally belly laughing at how stupid you are.
Baum said so himself, and even explained what the characters and symbols mean.
This guy even pointed out that it's about a bimetallic standard, admits that its about the gold standard, but decides to add "central bank gold" which is bullshit. Its about a gold standard. EVERYBODY knows this. The central bank determined gold to be the standard and forced people to trade in it.
This is EXACTLY the type of stupid brainwashing shit you dumbass paulbots listen to, and don't cross check.
Actually, the federal government banned trade in kind in the constitution and forced the gold standard in order to empower the merchant class in the , who helped write he constitution, but you didn't know that, because its not in Ron Paul propaganda. It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
The book was anti-banker and pro-bimetallism. Baum was pro Populist party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_%28United_States%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_%28United_States%29)
DO YOU FUCKING GET IT YET YOU FUCKING MORON?!?!?
My interpretation is NOT controversial.
The fucking Lion was William Jennings Bryan, you know, "the Cross of Gold" speech about bimetalism? Of course you don't. If you even understood that you would have NEVER challenged the common read and interpretation of The Wizard of Oz.
Its fucking hillarious how stupid and ignorant you are.
You aren't just stupid, you are IGNORANT
Your stupidity made me laugh in a new way.
Have you noticed how my sources come from a variety of places, and yours are entirely people pushing for this Austrian econ system, not open research. I can use all sorts of research to back what I am saying, you can use incorrect Austrian econ propaganda.
Its fucking hillarious how stupid and ignorant you are.
I'm not even going to argue with you now, I'm switching over to "Making fun of the dipshit who claims to understand history but doesn't even understand the cause of the Civil War and doesn't know the Populist movement even existed"
Just shut the fuck up. You are outclassed here and your stupid Ron Paul/Peter Schiff propaganda isn't working. Find one source not connected to Austrian propaganda that says the same stuff or corroborates their interpretations- NOBODY will do it.
Here, this is the google scholar return for "Wizard of Oz Bimetalism"
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=wizard+of+oz+bimetalism&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=wizard+of+oz+bimetalism&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on)
I didn't choose one article because EVERY article backs me in the google scholar section. So every article google has that has been published to a scholarly journal agrees with me....
Propagandists trying to brainwash you put out that video, but it goes against all academic agreement on the message.
Anybody who understands history is likely laughing with my about just how epicly STUPID and IGNORANT you are.
You Paulbots are all the same, you hear about legal weed, and a republican who is pro civil rights, then you look into it and read the whole series of Ron Paul propaganda and don't bother to learn any other history or economics, then claim you are experts in it.
No, you aren't. You haven't read enough or gotten enough perspectives.
Shut the fuck up and listen, you are an ignorant child and need to learn, not argue with more learned people than you, son.
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I have more gold than a leprechaun, faggot!
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sooo, john fitzgerald, zero..?
A million pages on this thread and Jamie Thomas hasn't intervened and he is off the cold war site....so it's more of a discussion of where he is going.
I thought this was more a discussion of the gold standard now.
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just saw a picture of john with dylan and donovan piscopo..........
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just saw a picture of john with dylan and donovan piscopo..........
were they having a three way on the catwalk?
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so the less manipulatable value of gold would "serve the elite" more than a fiat currency does? ???
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They probably went out and got pedicures, then went shopping for new purses.
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so the less manipulatable value of gold would "serve the elite" more than a fiat currency does? ???
When you say it that way it sounds silly, but your premise is dead wrong. Gold has a very malleable value. A single resource can be manipulated in the market in ways that a fiat currency can not. Here, look at the classic example:
http://www.historycentral.com/rec/BlackFriday.html (http://www.historycentral.com/rec/BlackFriday.html)
I already brought up this historical event Ron Paul doesn't want you to know about. It was a big part in why people wanted a bimetallic standard and why a greenback movement started as well, Using a single commodity whose price can easily be manipulated as the basis for all money doesn't work and is flat out regular.
Jay Gould corners and manipulates the gold market and destroys almost every legitimate investor on wall street and fucks over farmers with outstanding debts they were forced to acquire.
Gold not manipulatable? DERP DERP. Its so much more manipulatable than a standardized currency, that's why the fed exists, to stop the gold manipulation that existed in the pre-fed era(gold standard and fed overlapped for a while). Oh, and it wasn't the common man manipulating it. Learn about economics, then get into the conversation. Don't just listen to the preaching normative claims of one charismatic personality, look into basic economic concepts and the positive economic studies of what has happened when his theories have been tried in the real world. You'll see that your charismatic leader is a fucking moron.
Oh, and you know how trade in gold specie is required in the Constitution? That's not to protect the common man. Before the constitution was written, the paying of debts in-kind, that is with crops or livestock, was common and legal in just about every transaction. Bankers were major framers of the constitution and didn't like to receive this type of payment, which was not as easily tradeable and typically could not be transfered in an international market...oh, and they knew the farmers didn't have gold. So they made it law, all debts in gold specie, farmers lost there land and there were huge rebellions by common people over it. Gold is the preferred currency of the elite and always has been.
Again, the arguments paulites present are very similar to the people who point to the bible when they talk about science and completely ignore clearly established facts. The only people who listen to them are the people with very little knowledge in the subject and are turned on by the charisma of the person sharing it with them. People who actually look at economic history and read a variety of economists realize that the idea of going back to a non-standardized gold standard is crazier than any of the wingnut shit on the left and the right.
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LESS doesnt equal NOT... ;)
i dont think dr paul prefers a singular "reserve" of any single resource... he just wants options other than the monopolized and unoversighted fed's fiat...
ill try to digest the remaining context of your lengthy post later sir...
thanks for the insight. :)
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I wish billy idol was my dad :'(
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Young Joseph Stalin was hot
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Just read this and it adds to what I was saying before about how easily manipulated resource prices are, it already happens. Check this out:
"JP Morgan is rumored to hold 50->80% of the copper market, and manipulated the market by massive purchases. JP Morgan (JPM) is also guilty of manipulating the silver market to make billions."
They source each claim with a linked article here:
JP Morgan is rumored to hold 50->80% of the copper market, and manipulated the market by massive purchases. JP Morgan (JPM) is also guilty of manipulating the silver market to make billions.
An interesting article, it point out that JP Morgan holds over $70 trillion in derivatives exposure, and the world economy is about $70 trillion total. So basically we are fucked again, its not a matter of if but when.
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It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.
I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.
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yea. i think manipulating fiat value is a bit more conveniently effortless than manipulating resource values...
so instead of making them stack the deck, well let em package the cards, shuffle, then deal? and place your bets for you? ???
i think dr paul is against ANY monoply on currency... just especially those with absolutely no oversight...
wasnt it a bit interesting what was "discovered" with only that partial audit of the federal reserve that dr. paul rallied for?
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The Fed has a hundred times more oversight than resource based currency. That's the whole point. Paul hates the fact that there are a bunch of bureaucrats deciding on the value of money and would rather just let it float. That's the entire basis for all of his economic policy, leave regulators out and let the market decide. His exact argument is that no man is smart enough to decide the value of money.
He can be against monopolies all he wants, though in resource markets its called cornering, and it happens all the time.
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most of what you say is right... yet, i think it is the lack of oversight of those bureaucrats that dr. paul takes issue with in this instance...
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
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It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.
I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.
you just earned yourself a -1 everytime i come across one of your posts
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
if youre gonna jump on my nuts, gargle already douchette.
bow to the good doctor. :-* and bite your tongue when you see grown folks conversin...
id rather have a $5 silver certificate than a $5 federal reserve note... doesnt take a textbook indoctrination or studying the evil that men do aka "economics" to come to such an obvious conclusion... ;D
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grown folks? in serious academic debate among 'grown folks' I usually see academic sources cited as evidence of claims. But you are gargling so much of "Dr. Paul's" propaganda that you probably think the academic establishment is bought out by the globalist green Illuminati federal reserve. You are fucking regular and should never again make the mistake of thinking your intellect is above that of a child. You and your buddies have been repeatedly clowned on in this thread by actual smart people making actual arguments, and yet you still come back with this pretentious notion that you know how the world works.
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lol.
clowned?
my buddies?
serious "academic" debate?
pretentious?
ahahhahahhahahahhah...
nice rant, but it tells more about you than it does me with your prefab arguement that doesnt fit...
feel free to add some substance instead of chastising and cheerleading anytime you feel capable... :)
maybe i missed your expression of superior intellect... ::)
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You're a patient man, Gipper. To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal. Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is. I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded. Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists. I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.
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Mongo, You just failed to define economics.
Shut.
The.
Fuck.
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
if youre gonna jump on my nuts, gargle already douchette.
bow to the good doctor.� :-*� and bite your tongue when you see grown folks conversin...� �
id rather have a $5 silver certificate than a $5 federal reserve note...� doesnt take a textbook indoctrination or studying the evil that men do aka "economics" to come to such an obvious conclusion...� � � �;D
Exactly, somebody who can't even define economics, let alone understand them would think that he would rather have a $5 certificate for a commodity JP Morgan has cornered than a regulated $5 bill. Yes, you are brainwashed, as the very basics don't register with you. Books don't always brainwash you, sometimes they teach you basic concepts to help you understand the world around you. You skipped the basics of econ and went straight to Ron Paul's brainwashing. Also, you completely lack all common sense in the study of economics.
I think you need to learn to bite your own tongue when grown folks are conversing.
This proves my point exactly. Thank you.
and "Dr. Paul" is an Ob/gyn, he doesn't exactly have a PhD in econ from University of Chicago, so his Doctor status means nothing. Everybody I know with a doctorate thinks its particularly douchey and tacky when people want to be called Dr. in conversations outside of their practice.
So it would make sense if it was like "Dr. there is a layer of cheese growing on my vagina!" but not "Dr. Paul claims if you shove enough copper up your ass you'll shit pennies"
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....
at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time.... :)
too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness... ;)
lol. rather having what is worth more is brainwashed? hahaha... you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter... :o
too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet... and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...
all day everyday. throughout the majority of history... and without a textbook or a phd... 8)
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bartering with drugs works pretty good.
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bartering with drugs works pretty good.
federal reserve cronies do not approve. >:(
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....
at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time.... :)
too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness... ;)
lol. rather having what is worth more is brainwashed? hahaha... you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter... :o
too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet... and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...
all day everyday. throughout the majority of history... and without a textbook or a phd... 8)
So, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, statement I already discredited. I think it is clear I have the more solid arguments here.
You also make my argument clear when you say you trust Paul more than Obama. I don't trust either, I actually study economics and match the knowledge I have up to what they say. I don't just go with the more charismatic speaker.
You need to shut the fuck up and read a basic econ book, you are just making yourself look dumber and dumber.
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This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.
I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.
I always laugh when people say shit like this on here. Sorry dog, but you ain't even got enough clout to do such things. getcha weight up before you get ya hate up lil guy
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Gipper there is obviously a philosophic disagreement here. The one item you left out in your interpretation of 'The Wizard of Oz' was of course the man behind the curtain. Yes the original story was critical of gold and silver, because it can be manipulated and as I pointed out isn't perfect, however it seems to me that a resouce based currency would be much harder to manipulate than fiat currency, because currency could just be printed on unlimited paper or numbers in a computer. As far as Ron Paul is concerned, he just wants gold and silver to be able to legally and fairly compete with paper currency again, not to do away with the federal reserve system overnight. Also you don't think that it's not only legitimate idea but necessary to audit such a group? I mean as I said any one of us or any of the government departments can and do get audited, so why not them?
I don't see what it is about The Federal Reserve system you like you much and trust. It is a fact that in 2008-2009 under TARP they lended 15 trillion dollars to large banks and corporations(their friends) at 0% interest, which is corporate welfare. You even said yourself that you were critical of the policies of corporate welfare, but the Fed is an unelected and private group, with a huge lack of transperancy and they handle the vast majoirty of our monetary policy. Therefore if they decide to continue those corporate welfare policies you or any of us as American citizens cannot do anything about it or change it, that doesn't bother you? This unelected group decides how our future tax dollars will be spent chooses the winners and losers without any oversight or audit, and you're okay with this enough to defend it? I don't see how that's possible unless you just feel like its so important to your 'left wing' label to not abandon this obvious corrupt policy.
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....
at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time....? ? ? :)
too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness...? ? ;)
lol.? rather having what is worth more is brainwashed?? ? hahaha...? you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter...? ? :o
too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet...? and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...
all day everyday.? throughout the majority of history...? ? and without a textbook or a phd...? ? ? ? 8)
You also make my argument clear when you say you trust Paul more than Obama. I don't trust either, I actually study economics and match the knowledge I have up to what they say. I don't just go with the more charismatic speaker.
You need to shut the fuck up and read a basic econ book, you are just making yourself look dumber and dumber.
lol @ you acting above ad hominemisms... ROFL...
read all the books you want smart guy.
doesnt take a phd to deduce that the federal reserve doesnt and wasnt put there to serve the average person... ? or that gold prices are harder to fix than fiat cabal's ones and zeros...
criticizing the usage of dr. instead of addressing concepts is about as significant as spelling and grammer nazism... ? but have at it... ?
word up...
gold investments > us savings bonds
silver certificates > federal reserve notes
the historical value of gold ? > the evolution of the value of our fiat currency
UNDISPUTABLE.
now what chapter were you on again, and do you have any specific recommendations of reading? ? ? ? ???
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^ just ignore him, he'll go away.
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The Fed has a hundred times more oversight than resource based currency. That's the whole point. Paul hates the fact that there are a bunch of bureaucrats deciding on the value of money and would rather just let it float. That's the entire basis for all of his economic policy, leave regulators out and let the market decide. His exact argument is that no man is smart enough to decide the value of money.
He can be against monopolies all he wants, though in resource markets its called cornering, and it happens all the time.
Wait an minute Gipper the Fed has virtually no oversight, they oversee themselves, how's that not a conflict of interst? Does it not bother you that this bunch of bureaucrats decide the value of OUR dollar? Would you rather it be left up to them and not us? I mean bureaucrats don't have a good track record Gipper. Cornering is always a concern with commodeties, and that is its imperfection, however you can't corner something that is unlimited and has no oversight with this the problem can just build and build until the problem becomes catostrophic and is beyond repair.
Fiat currencies have failed countless times this is also a wonder to me why you back them so hard, I mean the average life expectancy for a fiat currency is 30 years. Look at Argentina, Zimbabwe and Germany just to name a few, you think American is immune to this kind of hyperinflation? Especially at the rate you want us to spend and print?
'Spending your way' out of debt just sounds like pure propaganda to me.....however we'll never come to an agreement except to disagree.
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You're a patient man, Gipper.? To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.? Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.? I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.? Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.? I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.
Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a 'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.
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You're a patient man, Gipper.?? To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.?? Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.?? I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.?? Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.?? I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.
Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a? 'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.
When you are making decisions that could make or break the global economy I would hope that a Nobel Prize winner in Economics was in charge and not a gynaecologist. I recommend that you read this discussion on Amazon.com for Ron Paul's book "End the Fed." Gipper is good at explaining some of these points but this man is just as good if not better:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful (http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful)
It might save old Gip some time too. Hyperinflation is not something you should be afraid of in this country.
By conspiracy theory I wasn't refering to anything that was specifically said. I was just saying that some of the things that Bill Stills and Ron Paul say belong in the same fantasy discussions that the New World Order, Rothschild, and the Bank of England conspiracies belong.
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This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.
I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.
I always laugh when people say shit like this on here. Sorry dog, but you ain't even got enough clout to do such things. getcha weight up before you get ya hate up lil guy
Yo fly cat like a g6 nigga haven't you got some big hit to work on that your legions of fans are waiting for? got another awesome bedroom producer mate of yours to use garage band for your mad beats puppy daaaaaaaaawg? wigidy wigidy
in general , fuck off the adults are talking.
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
Hahaha!? Bugs you too, huh?? That shit cracks me up as well.? It's both corny and sycophantic.?
Why would it bug you to refer to someone as a doctor when they are in fact a doctor? That's not corny and is certainly not sycophantic, what a completely idiotic and childish statement.
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You're a patient man, Gipper.??? To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.??? Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.??? I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.??? Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.??? I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.
Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a?? 'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.
When you are making decisions that could make or break the global economy I would hope that a Nobel Prize winner in Economics was in charge and not a gynaecologist.? I recommend that you read this discussion on Amazon.com for Ron Paul's book "End the Fed."? Gipper is good at explaining some of these points but this man is just as good if not better:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful (http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful)
It might save old Gip some time too.? Hyperinflation is not something you should be afraid of in this country.
By conspiracy theory I wasn't refering to anything that was specifically said.? I was just saying that some of the things that Bill Stills and Ron Paul say belong in the same fantasy discussions that the New World Order, Rothschild, and the Bank of England conspiracies belong.
Ahhh yes, since the Nobel prize winners have always been so great over the years...I mean shit Henry Kissinger has was a Nobel prize winner, I'm sure you're more than happy with him as a foreign policy advisor, I mean he is one of your 'professionals" and is certainly an "expert right? He's just created so much peace and done so much good for America and the world. While I'm on the subject of Kissinger, if the 'New World Order' movement is in fact a fantasy as you say than I suppose someone should tell him....
Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8#)
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WAR - WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8#)
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grown folks? in serious academic debate among 'grown folks' I usually see academic sources cited as evidence of claims. But you are gargling so much of "Dr. Paul's" propaganda that you probably think the academic establishment is bought out by the globalist green Illuminati federal reserve. You are fucking regular and should never again make the mistake of thinking your intellect is above that of a child. You and your buddies have been repeatedly clowned on in this thread by actual smart people making actual arguments, and yet you still come back with this pretentious notion that you know how the world works.
Oh yes you're right, Paul has such a huge motive and so much to gain by spewing propaganda and brainwashing the masses. There's obviously no media bias against him or his message. His propaganda actually empowers the big banks, corporations and the military industrial complex, it's just devistating to the individual. I'm glad you've brought this to light...man I just barley dodged the bullet.
I love how you quoted that, as if he's not really a doctor....
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
Hahaha!?? Bugs you too, huh??? That shit cracks me up as well.?? It's both corny and sycophantic.??
Why would it bug you to refer to someone as a doctor when they are in fact a doctor? That's not corny and is certainly not sycophantic, what a completely idiotic and childish statement.
I actually see what you're saying, maybe it's the people who think he's the second coming of Christ and that he actually has a chance at the Presidency that insist on referring to him like that. ? The people on Facebook who post "Ron Paul 2012!" twice an hour on Facebook etc. ? It's hard to explain. ? To me, the point of Ron Paul's running is to expose people to other ideas- not to get elected. ? He's no fool, he knows he doesn't stand a chance with his opinions or the fact that he's a third party politician but he's paving the way for others.
Without rambling further, I should have made my point differently.
I actually agree with you to some extent, I mean those people are just new to that movement and theyre enthusiastic and passionate, which is not a bad thing. I mean I may have disagreed with the modern Tea Party or the Occupy movements but its rad to me that they are out in the streets actaully talking about shit that matters instead of at home on their couch plugged into their TV and obsessing over celebrities.
As far as Paul's chances of victory, I never thought it was possible, I mean I've been a supporter since 2007 and I'm a state delegate for my district, but my work and donations were to further the message of liberty and gain more ground, in fact to me that was winning. However The majority of the public was distracted by the straw votes in the caucases and primaries around the country a few monhts ago but the national delegates are the ones who choose the party nominees not those polls, and Ron Paul does seem to me winning the majoirty of the delegates at the state conventions, I think he's up to 14 states so far where he has won the vast majority and the convenstions for most states haven't even happened yet so if his supporters keep turning out and becoming delegates I don't see why he wouldn't have a chance to actually win. I just honestly could never see the GOP actually nominating him. Their love affair with the military industrial complex and destruction of personal liberties goes too deep. However they may have to nominate Romney by resorting to cheating by neglecting their own rules and by and kicking out delegates which will send a huge message to those who want to listen.
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stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker
Hahaha!?? Bugs you too, huh??? That shit cracks me up as well.?? It's both corny and sycophantic.??
Why would it bug you to refer to someone as a doctor when they are in fact a doctor? That's not corny and is certainly not sycophantic, what a completely idiotic and childish statement.
I actually see what you're saying, maybe it's the people who think he's the second coming of Christ and that he actually has a chance at the Presidency that insist on referring to him like that. ? The people on Facebook who post "Ron Paul 2012!" twice an hour on Facebook etc. ? It's hard to explain. ? To me, the point of Ron Paul's running is to expose people to other ideas- not to get elected. ? He's no fool, he knows he doesn't stand a chance with his opinions or the fact that he's a third party politician but he's paving the way for others.
Without rambling further, I should have made my point differently.
I actually agree with you to some extent, I mean those people are just new to that movement and theyre enthusiastic and passionate, which is not a bad thing. I mean I may have disagreed with the modern Tea Party or the Occupy movements but its rad to me that they are out in the streets actaully talking about shit that matters instead of at home on their couch plugged into their TV and obsessing over celebrities.
As far as Paul's chances of victory, I never thought it was possible, I mean I've been a supporter since 2007 and I'm a state delegate for my district, but my work and donations were to further the message of liberty and gain more ground, in fact to me that was winning. However The majority of the public was distracted by the straw votes in the caucases and primaries around the country a few monhts ago but the national delegates are the ones who choose the party nominees not those polls, and Ron Paul does seem to me winning the majoirty of the delegates at the state conventions, I think he's up to 14 states so far where he has won the vast majority and the convenstions for most states haven't even happened yet so if his supporters keep turning out and becoming delegates I don't see why he wouldn't have a chance to actually win. I just honestly could never see the GOP actually nominating him. Their love affair with the military industrial complex and destruction of personal liberties goes too deep. However they may have to nominate Romney by resorting to cheating by neglecting their own rules and by and kicking out delegates which will send a huge message to those who want to listen.
I completely agree- it is about getting the idea out there, any idea really, I wish more people would bring other ideas to the table. In terms of the GOP candidacy- I was happy to see Paul get some footing although I was really hoping that Gary Johnson would have gotten more attention as well. Unfortunately our bullshit two party system and the media kill a lot of potential momentum for fresh ideas.
Well Paul had been building such a large movement for the last 4-5 years so it was almost impossible for him to get outright ignored, whereas Gary Johnson had such a small following and a lot of them were Paul supporters too who saw Paul as better voice in the mainstream because people already recognized him. I think we'll see a lot more of Gary Johnson in the future, and certainly hope so. I mean honestly the reason Paul is so rad is because he has a 30year track record of being trustworthy however he's said it and so have many of his long time supporters, its not really him that's important its the message and I think him and Johnson's message are very similar. Whether other Ron Paul supporters want to admit it or not they'll have to look to someone else to be their mainstream voice in the future, or some of them will have to step up and carry the torch, and while it may be easy to support it's certainly hard to lead.
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So does John have a new board sponsor then?
Yes, he will be announced on Workshop officially sometime before the end of the year, but it'll become evident he's on the team within the coming weeks.
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This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.
I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.
I always laugh when people say shit like this on here. Sorry dog, but you ain't even got enough clout to do such things. getcha weight up before you get ya hate up lil guy
Yo fly cat like a g6 nigga haven't you got some big hit to work on that your legions of fans are waiting for? got another awesome bedroom producer mate of yours to use garage band for your mad beats puppy daaaaaaaaawg? wigidy wigidy
in general , fuck off the adults are talking.
Yea yea, I know You havin them crack withdrawals again so I ain't even gon take you seriously like that. You overaged manboys are a gag tho. Y'all niggas be wayy too old to be kickin all that fuck shit over the internet. Heres a word of advice, go to rehab and get the fuck off SLAP until you learn some adequate social skills. dont be tryna come at me while yo self-esteem still on life support, ya dig?
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Damn, this shit just took off like a maelstrom again in 2 days...
It must kind of bum Jaime out to have this John Fitzgerald thread title keep popping up every day...sorry chief. Fuck, I'm tempted to try and divert the "discussion" over to the TMKF Extras thread to give my homies some shine.
Anyways, I'm sure the omnipotent Gipper (omgipotent?) already knows the summarized history of the formation of the Fed (and if he doesn't,, he'll damn sure pretend to), but I'll just flesh it out for anyone who might be interested...It's one of the all-time great who-dunnit stories.
The basic plan for the Federal Reserve System was drafted at a secret meeting held in Nov. of 1910 at the private resort of J.P. Morgan on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia. Those who attended represented the great financial institutions of Wall Street and , indirectly, Europe as well. The reason for secrecy was simple. Had it been known that rival factions of the banking community had joined together, the public would have been alerted to the possibility that the bankers were plotting an agreement i restraint of trade...which, of course, is exactly what they were doing. what emerged was a cartel agreement with five objectives: stop the growing competition from the nations newer banks; obtain a franchise to create money out of nothing for the purpose of lending; get control of the reserves of all banks so that the more reckless ones would not be exposed to currency drains and bank runs; get the taxpayer to pick up the cartel's inevitable losses; and convince Congress that the purpose was to protect the public. It was realized that the bankers would have to become partners with the politicians and that the structure of the cartel would have to be a central bank. The record shows that the Fed has failed to achieve its stated objectives. That is because those were never its true goals. As a banking cartel, and in terms of the five objectives above, it has been an unqualified success. (if anybody wants to know any aspect of that in more detail or get sources, let me know.)
moving forward: The name of the game is BAILOUT...
Although national monetary events may appear mysterious and chaotic, they are governed by well-established rules which bankers and puppet-politicians rigidly follow. The central fact to understanding these events is that all the money in the banking system has been created out of nothing through the process of making loans. A defaulted loan, therefore, costs teh bank little of tangible value, but it shows up on the ledger as a reduction in assets without a corresponding reduction in liabilities. If the bad loans exceed the size of the assets, the bank becomes technically insolvent and must close its doors. The first rule of survival, then, is to avoid writing off large, bad loans and, if possible, to at least continue collecting interest payments on them. To accomplish that, the endangered loans are rolled over and increased in size. This provides the borrower with money to continue paying interest plus fresh funds for new spending. The basic problem is not solved, but it is postponed for a little while and made worse.
The final solution on behalf of the banking cartel is to have the federal government guarantee payment of the loan should the borrower default in the future. This is accomplished by convincing Congress that not to do so would result in great damage to the economy and hardship of the people. From that point forward, the burden of the loan is removed from the bank's ledger and transfered to the taxpayer.
Should this effort fail and the bank be forced into insolvency, the last resort is to use the FDIC to pay of the depositors. But the FDIC is not insurance because the presence of "moral hazard" makes the thing it supposedly protects against more likely to happen. A portion of the FDIC funds is derived from assessments against the banks. Ultimately, however, they are paid by the depositors themselves. When these funds run out, the balance is provided by the Federal Reserve System in the form of freshly created new money. This floods through the economy causing the appearance of rising prices but which, in reality, is the lowering of the value of the dollar. The final cost of the bailout, therefore, is passed to the public in the form of a hidden tax called inflation.
When I have a little bit of time later, I want to address the issue of who creates the money to pay the interest...and also to describe the actual cogs, mirrors, and pulleys that the money magicians use to create the illusion of modern money.
Until then I will let the omgipotent one fill the remainder of the page with expletives and slurs...in all caps, of course.
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When I have a little bit of time later, I want to address the issue of who creates the money to pay the interest...and also to describe the actual cogs, mirrors, and pulleys that the money magicians use to create the illusion of modern money.?
Please spare us.
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Damn, this shit just took off like a maelstrom again in 2 days...
It must kind of bum Jaime out to have this John Fitzgerald thread title keep popping up every day...sorry chief. Fuck, I'm tempted to try and divert the "discussion" over to the TMKF Extras thread to give my homies some shine.
Anyways, I'm sure the omnipotent Gipper (omgipotent?) already knows the summarized history of the formation of the Fed (and if he doesn't,, he'll damn sure pretend to), but I'll just flesh it out for anyone who might be interested...It's one of the all-time great who-dunnit stories.
The basic plan for the Federal Reserve System was drafted at a secret meeting held in Nov. of 1910 at the private resort of J.P. Morgan on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia. Those who attended represented the great financial institutions of Wall Street and , indirectly, Europe as well. The reason for secrecy was simple. Had it been known that rival factions of the banking community had joined together, the public would have been alerted to the possibility that the bankers were plotting an agreement i restraint of trade...which, of course, is exactly what they were doing. what emerged was a cartel agreement with five objectives: stop the growing competition from the nations newer banks; obtain a franchise to create money out of nothing for the purpose of lending; get control of the reserves of all banks so that the more reckless ones would not be exposed to currency drains and bank runs; get the taxpayer to pick up the cartel's inevitable losses; and convince Congress that the purpose was to protect the public. It was realized that the bankers would have to become partners with the politicians and that the structure of the cartel would have to be a central bank. The record shows that the Fed has failed to achieve its stated objectives. That is because those were never its true goals. As a banking cartel, and in terms of the five objectives above, it has been an unqualified success. (if anybody wants to know any aspect of that in more detail or get sources, let me know.)
moving forward: The name of the game is BAILOUT...
Although national monetary events may appear mysterious and chaotic, they are governed by well-established rules which bankers and puppet-politicians rigidly follow. The central fact to understanding these events is that all the money in the banking system has been created out of nothing through the process of making loans. A defaulted loan, therefore, costs teh bank little of tangible value, but it shows up on the ledger as a reduction in assets without a corresponding reduction in liabilities. If the bad loans exceed the size of the assets, the bank becomes technically insolvent and must close its doors. The first rule of survival, then, is to avoid writing off large, bad loans and, if possible, to at least continue collecting interest payments on them. To accomplish that, the endangered loans are rolled over and increased in size. This provides the borrower with money to continue paying interest plus fresh funds for new spending. The basic problem is not solved, but it is postponed for a little while and made worse.
The final solution on behalf of the banking cartel is to have the federal government guarantee payment of the loan should the borrower default in the future. This is accomplished by convincing Congress that not to do so would result in great damage to the economy and hardship of the people. From that point forward, the burden of the loan is removed from the bank's ledger and transfered to the taxpayer.
Should this effort fail and the bank be forced into insolvency, the last resort is to use the FDIC to pay of the depositors. But the FDIC is not insurance because the presence of "moral hazard" makes the thing it supposedly protects against more likely to happen. A portion of the FDIC funds is derived from assessments against the banks. Ultimately, however, they are paid by the depositors themselves. When these funds run out, the balance is provided by the Federal Reserve System in the form of freshly created new money. This floods through the economy causing the appearance of rising prices but which, in reality, is the lowering of the value of the dollar. The final cost of the bailout, therefore, is passed to the public in the form of a hidden tax called inflation.
When I have a little bit of time later, I want to address the issue of who creates the money to pay the interest...and also to describe the actual cogs, mirrors, and pulleys that the money magicians use to create the illusion of modern money.
Until then I will let the omgipotent one fill the remainder of the page with expletives and slurs...in all caps, of course.
so...ad hominems against gipper and a bunch of facts right out of GA history and econ 101? nice...
maybe next time try saying something critical and give us a best possible solution (that way you're actually contributing to the convo). you're pointing to the wall and telling me it's color. not telling me why the color sucks or why i should invest in better paint.
i keep reading your posts, thinking you've got something good, but you keep coming with that rookie shit. make a point already. i'm not even sure what you're trying to say anymore except that gipper sucks. which he doesn't.
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K, I am not really trying to say that Gipper sucks...If I thought that he sucked I wouldn't waste my breath...I'm just fucking with him in my own fashion...similar but different to the way that he likes to say people are regular idiots....over and over and over.
I am just trying to high-light the framework and fundamentals to help interested people attain rookie status.
Anyway, solutions? Dude, I mean I've got suggestions for how to prepare...and I've got ideas of what will be required for humanity's victory over the global collectivists that have long been incrementally carrying out this agenda to consolidate power...which is really the endgame of this discussion and all other discussions of this nature....but as far as financial preparedness suggestions go....
1. Get out of Debt. A mortgage on a house might be a logical exception, provided the price is right. Borrowing for a business is also an exception if based on a sound business plan. Speculative investments are not a good idea in these times unless they are made with money you can afford to lose.
2. Pick a Sound Bank. Maintain accounts at several institutions. I would never keep $100k in any one bank. Not all types of accounts are covered by FDIC..Some institutions offer private insurance...but make sure to know to what extent you are at ricsk...(which may not be an easy assignment. (Veribanc is a good bank-rating service and resource for info.)
3. Diversify your investments among blue chip, over-the-counter, growth, income, large, small, mutuals, bonds, real estate, bullion coins, mining stock, tangibles, and even currencies. Industries that do well in hard times are gambling, alcohol, and escapist entertainment. Avoid the most recent "best" performers. Study the fields and companies in which you invest. Personal knowledge is indespensable.
4. Maintain a stash of cash, and silver coins.. There is no correct quanity, it is a matter of personal judgment and financial ability.
Honestly, I am in preparedness mode now because I have researched real history...but that involves having emergency food reserves and growing as much of my own food as possible, staying healthy...I have a clean water supply, a place in the hills to go and a 4x4 vehicle and tools to get me there...and yes, even big-bad guns to protect myself and my family. I'm sure this will insight a nice round of laughs from the ninnies following this thread...but that's cool. But all joking aside, like I've stated, I am not really interested in ridiculing people, I am more interested in sharing information that may spark an interest in someone to look into things for themselves.
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Since we can't stop the global collectivists from consolidating power, all the more reason to grind the fuck out of their private property. Until the consolidation concludes and we become slaves to the corporate feudalist state, feel free to remind the security guards you encounter that you are doing your civic duty to stimulate the economy by keeping them necessary/employed.
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Everybody I know with a doctorate thinks its particularly douchey and tacky when people want to be called Dr. in conversations outside of their practice.
I happen to know for a fact that he was called mongomaestro in social situations. I once saw him at a bar and someone came up to him and said "hello mongomaestro, how about a beer?", ok, so that's a fact.
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lol.
i dont drink that swill you call beer son.
and i dont have the same faith in bernanke, ollaaaaaaaaaaama, or nobel prizes as some of these resident knowitalls seem to...
interesting that ron paul, you know the doctor guy that has had a career in something other than politricks, has people actually contemplating these issues...
more than you can say for any other potential candidate in the modern day...
but... unlike what im sure some will attempt to imply.. it isnt about the character, its about the message... you know the one that got yall thinking and talking... :)
the real deal seems to have some respectable advice, and im sure he didnt need to read that in a textbook or earn a degree to formulate such thoughts... 8)
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I'm not going to get to far back into this, as I think my point has been proven, but there are some clarifications:
1- Wizard of Oz wasn't critical of bimetallism, it was critical of the gold standard. Populist farmers wanted bimetallism to create inflation to make it more possible to pay off debts that were essentially forced on them by banks. Yes, there was criticism of the greenback (soft money) movement, but it was critical of it as a solution, the key problem they saw was the single gold standard.
2-Don't pretend like Kissinger was either an economist, won a nobel in economics, or was trustworthy. He was one of Nixon's most trusted advisors and one of the main architects of Vietnam. enough said. If he had a perspective on international issues I might listen, but that fucker is partisan as fuck.
3- I understand what the fucking regular idiot therealdeal is doing, and don't mind it. Mongomaestro running out of arguments and running on fallacies 100% is pretty funny though.
4- As static as the Fed may be, it actually does have oversight, and changes can not be made to it as an institution without government approval. Members can be appointed and fired, and Congress can audit it or even shut it down at any point in time (which is why people like Paul even bother arguing about it.) The only thing they do independently is set policy. This is true of all government institutions. Should there be more of a government hand in the fed? Sure, Jamie Dimon should not be on the board setting banking regulatory policy as well as be the head of JP Morgan, but something can be done about that. That's the whole point though, the government needs to regulate MORE not LESS. Ending the fed would give bankers more power to destroy us, as I have given example after example after example of.
You know what people did after black Friday from Jay Gould? Cried. Apparently one guy found him on the street, slapped him and gave him a bloody nose. He was arrested and fined $1200.
One other thing, remember all of those references I was making over the weekend to the instability of the gilded age and how it reflects what would happen if we went to a gold standard and Austrian econ? Guess who wrote an article echoing and adding detail to my exact point (the opposite of what happens to Ron Paul "economists" who simply come to the conclusion after they have been told what it should be)?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/opinion/krugman-why-we-regulate.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/opinion/krugman-why-we-regulate.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
Funny quote from this article:
"Current right-wing mythology has it that bad banking is always the result of government intervention, whether from the Federal Reserve or meddling liberals in Congress. In fact, however, Gilded Age America ? a land with minimal government and no Fed ? was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses."
Again, no fed, no regulation, a gold standard, panics every 6 years. The economic instability that existed in the post FDR world is NOTHING compared to the instability before it. I don't see why you keep giving me this hypothetical bullshit when what you want has been tried and failed miserably. This is why I take no insult when these morons pretend like they have an understanding of history enough to even question what I teach at my job. When a 500 lb. man calls you fat for being 180, you tend not to be offended.
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found a pic of the globalist green collectivists.
(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/legion-doom.jpg)
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I'm not going to get to far back into this, as I think my point has been proven, but there are some clarifications:
1- Wizard of Oz wasn't critical of bimetallism, it was critical of the gold standard. Populist farmers wanted bimetallism to create inflation to make it more possible to pay off debts that were essentially forced on them by banks. Yes, there was criticism of the greenback (soft money) movement, but it was critical of it as a solution, the key problem they saw was the single gold standard.
2-Don't pretend like Kissinger was either an economist, won a nobel in economics, or was trustworthy. He was one of Nixon's most trusted advisors and one of the main architects of Vietnam. enough said. If he had a perspective on international issues I might listen, but that fucker is partisan as fuck.
3- I understand what the fucking regular idiot therealdeal is doing, and don't mind it. Mongomaestro running out of arguments and running on fallacies 100% is pretty funny though.
4- As static as the Fed may be, it actually does have oversight, and changes can not be made to it as an institution without government approval. Members can be appointed and fired, and Congress can audit it or even shut it down at any point in time (which is why people like Paul even bother arguing about it.) The only thing they do independently is set policy. This is true of all government institutions. Should there be more of a government hand in the fed? Sure, Jamie Dimon should not be on the board setting banking regulatory policy as well as be the head of JP Morgan, but something can be done about that. That's the whole point though, the government needs to regulate MORE not LESS. Ending the fed would give bankers more power to destroy us, as I have given example after example after example of.
You know what people did after black Friday from Jay Gould? Cried. Apparently one guy found him on the street, slapped him and gave him a bloody nose. He was arrested and fined $1200.�
One other thing, remember all of those references I was making over the weekend to the instability of the gilded age and how it reflects what would happen if we went to a gold standard and Austrian econ? Guess who wrote an article echoing and adding detail to my exact point (the opposite of what happens to Ron Paul "economists" who simply come to the conclusion after they have been told what it should be)?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/opinion/krugman-why-we-regulate.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/opinion/krugman-why-we-regulate.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
Funny quote from this article:
"Current right-wing mythology has it that bad banking is always the result of government intervention, whether from the Federal Reserve or meddling liberals in Congress. In fact, however, Gilded Age America ? a land with minimal government and no Fed ? was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses."
Again, no fed, no regulation, a gold standard, panics every 6 years. The economic instability that existed in the post FDR world is NOTHING compared to the instability before it. I don't see why you keep giving me this hypothetical bullshit when what you want has been tried and failed miserably. This is why I take no insult when these morons pretend like they have an understanding of history enough to even question what I teach at my job. When a 500 lb. man calls you fat for being 180, you tend not to be offended.
I'm going to have to call you out on these 2 things Gipper...
First of all I never said Kissenger was an economist, or won the peace prize for economics. The poster said that he would listen to a Nobel Peace Prize winning economist over others because by winning that prize it somehow gives them more credibility. I was saying that Henry Kissenger won that prize too, but that didn't give him more credibility as a foreign policy advisor. His policies have been terrible and have caused so many problems for America. I'm pretty much pointing out that just because Hitler won Time Magazines 'Man of the Year' award in 1938 and Joseph Stalin won in 1939 does not make them great leaders. Another point where I get frustrated with you Gipper is your care for 'partisan' labels, those are just distractions to me. Kissenger was Nixons guy therefore he is a partisan 'right winger'. Kissenger backs Obama therefore he is now a partisan "left winger"...No! This is a trap, the guy is obviously neither 'left' or 'right' he plays both sides to serve the broader agenda of global governance and authoritarianism, which is what him and many others label a 'New World Order'.
Secondly, the congress can't just audit the fed, and they certainly can't shut it down. They have to pass legislation in order to audit and would have to pass an amendment to shut it down. Ron Paul has been trying to get an audit the fed bill through the house and senate for years and no one ever co sponsored it until after the 2008 presidential race when he turned some heads. Then he could get 100 or so co sponsors but never enough to get the full audit, obviously its because the other congressman and women and senators are bought and paid for by the banks and corporations that are in bed with the Fed, at least that is what it seems like to me or why else wouldn't they sign a simple audit? He was able to get the partial audit over the TARP funding but that was only the transactions from 2008-2009 and he found 15 trillion in loans to banks at 0% that the American people were never told about, we were told it was only 700 Billion remember? So what else are they hiding?
There is actually video of former fed chairman Alan Greenspan saying that not only that the president doesn't have any authority over the Fed's actions but neither does congress. Here's the text and i'll post the video below.....
In the interview with former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan he was asked:
"What should be the proper relationship between the chairman of the fed and the president of the United States?"
His response is very clear:
"Well first of all the Federal Reserve is an INDEPENDENT agency, and that mean basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. So long as that is in place and there is no evidence that the ADMINISTRATION or the CONGRESS or anybody else is requesting that we do things other than what we think is the appropriate thing, than what the relationships are don't frankly matter"
Allen Greenspan when asked about the relationship of The Federal Reserve and the President (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QkmLnNEvdU#)
I mean come on Gipper, you have to admit you're wrong on this one, I mean unless you're saying that my eyes and ears lying to me. Greenspan just admitted, quite arrogantly I might add, that not only is the Fed independent, which is already public knowledge but is still not widely known, but that the Administration(the president) or the Congress(the peoples elected representatives) CANNOT request that they do things other than what they think is appropriate(what they want). That's pretty clear, and also if they could just audit the fed why would Ron Paul spend all that time writing up a bill and trying to get cosponsors for the last 20 years over and over?
Anyway I'm gonna try to cease the senseless name calling, all it does is discredit and distract from anything we're trying to say. I obviously respect you and you're clearly not a stupid person, because like TheRealDeal pointed out, why would I waste me time? We are here on this forum all brought together by skateboarding, however it's our individuality that empowers each one of us. In some way I feel like because we're skateboarders we have an inherent craving to be individuals, to be free and independent in life, in what we do and how we think. Therefore the thinkers here on this forum who spend their time and effort typing or reading these long posts, we have a lingering passion and we should have a layer of respect for one another, even if we disagree.
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
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found a pic of the globalist green collectivists.
(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/legion-doom.jpg)
Dude, this takes me back, man.
cartoons and care-free days, how I miss thee
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
Its true. At this point I'm correcting more than anything.
The civil war was fought over Gilbert Crockett dammit!
edit: and Greenspan doesn't contradict me at all. They act independently, but as an institution are given power which can be taken away by congress. Its much better than Jay Gould.
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grown folks? in serious academic debate among 'grown folks' I usually see academic sources cited as evidence of claims. But you are gargling so much of "Dr. Paul's" propaganda that you probably think the academic establishment is bought out by the globalist green Illuminati federal reserve. You are fucking regular and should never again make the mistake of thinking your intellect is above that of a child. You and your buddies have been repeatedly clowned on in this thread by actual smart people making actual arguments, and yet you still come back with this pretentious notion that you know how the world works.
Oh yes you're right, Paul has such a huge motive and so much to gain by spewing propaganda and brainwashing the masses. There's obviously no media bias against him or his message. His propaganda actually empowers the big banks, corporations and the military industrial complex, it's just devistating to the individual. I'm glad you've brought this to light...man I just barley dodged the bullet.
I love how you quoted that, as if he's not really a doctor....
And yes, it really does empower them. How have you not at least picked that part up from all of the examples I've given?
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
The civil war was fought over Gilbert Crockett dammit!
edit: and Greenspan doesn't contradict me at all. They act independently, but as an institution are given power which can be taken away by congress. Its much better than Jay Gould.
Dude come on now, you expect me to believe your interpretation over his exact words? He didn't juat say they act independently he said they were an independent agency, which they are. He said that neither the president nor the congress nor anyone else can overrule the actions they take nor requests they do anything they don't want to do. Those were his exact words, you can interpret that anyway you'd like but it means to me that if they want to loan money which is our tax dollars to their friends at 0% interest so they invest it and get rich and loan it back to us at high interest rates they will, and if congress or the president requests an audit and they don't want it they can say no. If the congress could just audit it as you say why wouldn't congressman Paul just do it then? You expect me to beleive that the congress who's obviously paid off by the Feds banker buddies and corporations would audit it or shut it down? If what you're saying is true which it's not then why have to
pass legislation at all? Idk Gipper, I just use common sense, obviously you're just one of those people who refuses to admit when they're wrong, it seems you'll say anything to try to prove that you're right even if it means lying to yourself, that's clear to me now. Hopefully you'll realize this after reading this back and seeing how ridiculous what you're saying sounds, maybe you won't and your denial will go on for a few more months or years but someday you'll realize it's ok to be wrong sometimes, which I know is something you're not used to, especially being a teacher. Come on though, you're putting your words into Greenspans mouth to try to price your point, youre actually saying that a guy who entire political career has been about taking power away from the banking oligarchy is actually empowering them...whether Paul is right or wrong is actually irrelevant at this point, in his philosophical war against the banking cartel and fiat money one things for certain he's not empowering them.
This thread has been enlightening, and while I haven't learned any facts about the former OIAM winner's recent career decisions, this debate has been fun. Unfortunately there's no point in continuing it with someone who refuses to admit they may have been mistaken when there is actual video proof. I understand the fed may not being your area of expertise, that's cool I'm sure you have many areas where you shine, as I said you're obviously an intelligent person. But when you oppose the federal reserve system as much as I do, it helps to know a thing or two about it and ice read just about all their is to read on it over the past 5 years, though most was done in the first 2 which was 3 years ago. Anyway Gipper you're alright, I mean I wish you weren't so 'partisan' and your frustrate the shit out of me but it's okay.
PS FDR did start the interstate highway system...what're your thoughts on that? Shovels out everyone!
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are you saying that the federal reserve keeps markets from being cornered? ? but that they dont have their own monopoly?
and that ollaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama's "financial fraud task force" is going to put some kind of hamper on the activities of such people as Dimon? ? isnt his behaviour perfectly "legal"? ?
the only legislation that im familiar with in regards to "congress shutting down or auditing the fed" had *gasp* dr. paul involved... ?
it still seems to me that you are pushing the fallacy that ron paul supports a currency based on ONE SINGLE resource... ? ?
also, i dont think the fed has done anything to limit anything jp morgan is naturally inclined to do... quite the opposite im assuming...
imo, the implementation of the fed and those involved says it all... ? but the tangibles of dr. paul's arguement dont stop there... ?
but hey, youre the know it all scholar of academia... ? ? ? ?
QE 1 and 2 worked are you implying? ? would QE3 be in the interests of the average wage earning american?
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Partisan? Which political candidate currently running for president have I modeled all of my economic "knowledge" around? Which candidate do I check with before making my opinions? Ha!
You can claim my whole thing is partisan, but my analysis is accepted across party lines, and across the international left-right spectrum. Only a small coven of brainwashed nutcases that have done nothing but read one source for all of their knowledge and make huge leaps to conclusions on small out of context youtube clips agree with your perspective. I gave you real history, you gave me youtube clips.
You haven't accepted one of my points which I have given you plenty of context and citation for, and have repeatedly shown a limited understanding at best of the Fed. Given that, I am not surprised you have a conspiratorial analysis of that video. The Fed runs independently on a corporate model, except its function is to establish sound monetary policy. You realize its not just the mint right? They also take money out of circulation and set monetary policy on an international level. It is however, a part of the federal government and is subject to oversight in the same way any government institution does. The FBI and CIA director can say very similar things about their institutions, but you wouldn't argue the government can not act to control them as institutions, would you? Same thing. Oh, and you know who appointed Greenspan, don't you? Not a private shady institution, but the President, who can choose to replace the chairman of the fed at the beginning of every term of office. The thing about this one is that in honest discussions, Paul acknowledges everything I say, he just argues that nobody is smart enough to try to set monetary policy. He isn't out there claiming they have a monopoly on money or some dumb shit like that, but somehow that's what all of you hear.
mongo- shut up and let the men talk. I could explain how stupid you are to you, but I'm not sure you have the reading skills to actually get it. You are obviously very stupid. That's not an ad hominem argument. I'm not arguing with you. I am putting you down for the sake of letting you know how stupid I think you are, not for the sake of any perceived debate you think exists between us. All I have been doing is explaining shit to you, not even arguing. Its the same reason I would never invite an illiterate to a book club meeting. Do you seriously think Ron Paul would regulate the economy? jesus man...not to mention how stupid and juvenile your perception of the fed is.
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It is however, a part of the federal government and is subject to oversight in the same way any government institution does.
ill take bernanke and greenspans word for it over yours anyday sir... 8) add paul's to that. on much more than monetary policy... ;) :-*
you dug so deep with your "academia" and play so hard into your condescending self righteousness that you seem to have forgotten the small things like logic and reason...
lol. the president appointed the chairman, but from whos prepared selection?
you claim america the beautiful is safe from hyperinflation, but the everyday inflation is through the roof already...
oil prices are at a yearly low, and the gas prices are rising steadily...
gotta love what the fed cronies have done to the dollar in one century.. :)
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All I have been doing is explaining shit to you, not even arguing.
and all ive been doing is inquiring of you detailsthat your "academia" based narrow focus seems to fail at addressing...
and then we have your current behaviour, which im not too familiar with to be honest, but from the comments here seem to be an omnipresent theme with you historically...
anyhow, thanks for exposing your natural behaviour and attributes to me... it is quite telling...
you make some good points when your not stroking your own ego... but your arguement fails to address some key obviousnesses.... and at times the dance around those obvious issues are way too familiar...
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oversight in the same way any government institution does.
you MUST be referring to the cronyism...
shuffle those feet son. ;)
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You really don't get it do you? I'm not talking shit to you because I feel frustration. If you really don't think Bernanke and Greenspan thought the Fed isn't part of the federal government, than I am sorry. That's all I have to say. You are arguing that 2+2=5 here. There is nothing to be done but call you the fucking idiot you are.
Also, don't triple post you fucking idiot. Please don't argue next that you didn't triple post...
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lol. now youre bitching about postcounts...
ill triple post if i feel like it son. ill type the title dr. all i want to. and ill continue to acknowledge some of the portions of reality that you continue sidestep perpetually and bitterly...
but yea, thats all you got to say...
pretty narrow field i must say... copy/paste intelectualism and cherry picked portions of a pretty broad reality...
nope, i dont get it....
the "academic" master comprehender of economics completely missing such obvious fallacies and contradictions... perpetually.... and bitterly...
but yea... you dissed me on the interenet... good job... A+ :)
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lol. now youre bitching about postcounts...
ill triple post if i feel like it son.? ill type the title dr. all i want to.? and ill continue to acknowledge some of the portions of reality that you continue sidestep perpetually and bitterly...
but yea, thats all you got to say...
pretty narrow field i must say...? copy/paste intelectualism and cherry picked portions of a pretty broad reality...?
nope, i dont get it....
the "academic" master comprehender of economics completely missing such obvious fallacies and contradictions... perpetually....? and bitterly...
but yea... you dissed me on the interenet... good job... A+? ? ? :)
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lol. now youre bitching about postcounts...
ill triple post if i feel like it son.?? ill type the title dr. all i want to.?? and ill continue to acknowledge some of the portions of reality that you continue sidestep perpetually and bitterly...
but yea, thats all you got to say...
pretty narrow field i must say...?? copy/paste intelectualism and cherry picked portions of a pretty broad reality...??
nope, i dont get it....
the "academic" master comprehender of economics completely missing such obvious fallacies and contradictions... perpetually....?? and bitterly...
but yea... you dissed me on the interenet... good job... A+?? ?? ?? :)
TRIPLE UP SON!!!!!!!!!! :-*
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I feel responsible for this. I apologize to other posters.
Though it should be pointed out that John Fitzgerald's new home does seem to be revealed somewhere back there.
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One In A Million 2010 Ep. 6 - SLAP Magazine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi3yDL4Piuw&feature=relmfu#ws)
I was in the area and checked out this hill again. Its fucked. He was going like straight down, just ollieing over that thing into the hill is pretty gnarly.
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I've been trying suck on my own penis but it's too short and I'm not flexible enough. Anyone have some pointers?
Come on! Help please! I want to taste my dick!!!!!!!!!! :-*
Wow dude. Calm down about sucking your own penis already.
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Why would you even post in here mongomaestro? Are you trying to make people hate ron paul?
"Obviousnesses"
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
At least you get to have make up/angry sex after. This is just boring
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I can't believe this thread continues. Its like when you get into a giant argument with your girlfriend, and go on and on and on and cover all the bases. When its over, everyone is still pissed and forgot what they were bitching about to begin with.
...and you revived the thread with a lame joke. Nice work. It was so close to the abyss that is page 2.
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
I thought I was fucked up; he passed me right by. ...
but Mongo never had a drinking problem.
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
I thought I was fucked up; he passed me right by. ...
but Mongo never had a drinking problem.
Nah, you still suck really bad.
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
I thought I was fucked up; he passed me right by. ...
but Mongo never had a drinking problem.
then give the king his throne, homie
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
I thought I was fucked up; he passed me right by. ...
but Mongo never had a drinking problem.
then give the king his throne, homie
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You changed your post to a silly internet picture because your first joke was lame, you fuckin doofus.
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Slap reminds me of an incident when I was in Kindergarten.
I think it was some after-school holding pen thing. Like, a built in daycare. It was pretty chill. You basically just dicked around, played with toys, got some snacks, and they made you take a nap at some point.
Anywho, it was play time, and I was by my lonesome. There was a group of second-graders and they had the most bodacious toys. Fucking dinosaurs man, with actual articulating body parts. I thought those toys were utterly badass and I thought those dudes were pretty chill, too.
So, I walk over and try to kick it with them, and they kook the shit out of me! Real talk! Straight-up denied access into their dinosaur-playing circle jerk of goodness. After I walked away, I probably had the most brokenhearted look on my face, and I may or may not have shed a tear. Not the point, though.
I tried to pass it off like it was all gravy, but I think the teacher or whatever was like, "Damn, dawg, what's good?"
I was just all, "Naw, son; it's gravy. I just wanted to play dinosaurs with the cool guys"
and then...
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Am I boring you?
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ayo victor
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swear to god, I know exactly what sk8d00d said, without actually seeing his post.
"hahahah this nigga so lame. With his fuckin' ass tryin' to be funny and shit. You're a clown, bro! Look at your rep, it's ovviouss that you aint shit. Focus yo shit, cause errboddy hates yo ass nigga."
was I close?
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In conclusion:
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swear to god, I know exactly what sk8d00d said, without actually seeing his post.
"hahahah this nigga so lame. With his fuckin' ass tryin' to be funny and shit. You're a clown, bro! Look at your rep, it's ovviouss that you aint shit. Focus yo shit, cause errboddy hates yo ass nigga."
was I close?
you would be the only person to flame yourself and STILL not be funny
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Is mongomaestro trying to be the new victor?
I thought I was fucked up; he passed me right by. ...
but Mongo never had a drinking problem.
i would be an alcoholic if i were you too
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Did we ever find out if he is off the team?
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Victor is a sad case.
He has been manipulated to alter his forum persona because he was getting bashed relentlessly when he was truly being himself/
Deep down he wishes he could go back, but that is no longer an option.
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I make it a point to kook victor every day I'm on here.
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swear to god, I know exactly what sk8d00d said, without actually seeing his post.
"hahahah this nigga so lame. With his fuckin' ass tryin' to be funny and shit. You're a clown, bro! Look at your rep, it's ovviouss that you aint shit. Focus yo shit, cause errboddy hates yo ass nigga."
was I close?
Let me just speak for the skate dude, when I say "yo fam, y'all need to (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIDyIDqMW5IMagVhRmAqWKiR0CMu__yHaxN3M-HtvxaFFEw1IRv2FLY3OQ)"
yes I am implying the skate dude is Randy Jackson. But its all in love...fam ;)
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Victor is a sad case.
He has been manipulated to alter his forum persona because he was getting bashed relentlessly when he was truly being himself/
Deep down he wishes he could go back, but that is no longer an option.
And you continue to just suck shit in the same exact way.
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I watched victors stream and the guy does not seem half-bad in person, you people are offended to easy sometimes.
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I watched victors stream and the guy does not seem half-bad in person, you people are offended to easy sometimes.
You're a fucking idiot too though.
i lol'd
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Victor is a sad case.
He has been manipulated to alter his forum persona because he was getting bashed relentlessly when he was truly being himself/
Deep down he wishes he could go back, but that is no longer an option.
I'm never surprised when an old guy with little charisma expresses his disdain for my character.
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You ruined the thread mongomaestro. This was a fun one too. Now its 100% shit talk. Thanks asshole.
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I watched victors stream and the guy does not seem half-bad in person, you people are offended to easy sometimes.
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I watched victors stream and the guy does not seem half-bad in person, you people are offended to easy sometimes.
For the record, I have no idea what the guy is talking about when he says "stream," unless the dude knows me and was looking over my shoulder when I was taking a piss.
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he's talking about the thickness and distance of your cum shots.
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he's talking about the thickness and distance of your cum shots.
I had one one of my co-workers convince me that the song "Get Low" (Lil Jon song) was about the latter.
"To the window. To the wall" is Jon bragging about him being able to shoot from, presumably, his bed or desk to the window and/or wall.
I guess we came to the conclusion that if Jon resides in, like, a small, studio apartment, then the feat really isn't all that impressive.
But you're a smart guy, maybe you have a better idea of what the song is about
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he's talking about the thickness and distance of your cum shots.
I had one one of my co-workers convince me that the song "Get Low" (Lil Jon song) was about the latter.
"To the window. To the wall" is Jon bragging about him being able to shoot from, presumably, his bed or desk to the window and/or wall.
I guess we came to the conclusion that if Jon resides in, like, a small, studio apartment, then the feat really isn't all that impressive.
But you're a smart guy, maybe you have a better idea of what the song is about
Shut the fuck up Victor.
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Victor is a sad case.
He has been manipulated to alter his forum persona because he was getting bashed relentlessly when he was truly being himself/
Deep down he wishes he could go back, but that is no longer an option.
I'm never surprised when an old guy with little charisma expresses his disdain for my character.
You doesnt even have a character, you just suck.
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Alright, this shit's just boring now... lets get back on some sort of track here...
Gipper, lets talk more about your hero, John Maynard Keynes and his allegiance to the English Fabian Society. What do you know/think about the brain trust for implementing the Fabian plan in America, which is the Council on Foreign Relations. I'll put a few CFR member quotes out there to maybe get the ball rolling again.
One of the CFR founders, John Foster Dulles, who later was appointed Secretary-of-State by CFR member Dwight Eisenhower. In 1939, Dulles said:
"Some dilution or leveling off of the sovereignty system as it prevails in the world today must take place ... to the immediate disadvantage of those nations which now possess the preponderance of power ... The establishment of a common money...would deprive our government of exclusive control over a national money. The United States must be prepared to make sacrifices afterward in setting up a world politico-economic order which would level off inequalities of economic opportunity with respect to nations."
CFR member Zbigniew Brzezinski was the National Security Adviser to CFR member Jimmy Carter. In 1970, Brzezinski wrote:
"...Some international cooperation has already been achieved, but further progress will require greater American Sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position."
At the Spring, 1983, Economic Summit in Williamsburg, VA, President Ronald Wilson "Gipper" Reagan declared:
"National economies need monetary coordination mechanisms, wand that is why an integrated world economy needs a common monetary standard...But, no national currency will do--only a world currency will work."
Phrases such as, monetary coordination mechanisms, modern world economic order, convergence of political values, or new world order are not very specific. To the average person, they sound pleasant and harmless. Yet, to the insiders of the club, they are code phrases which have a specific meaning: the termination of national sovereignty and the creation of world government. CFR member, Richard Gardner--another advisor to President Carter--explains the meaning of these phrases and also calls for the Fabian strategy of deception and gradualism:
"In short, the "house of world order" will have to be built from the bottom up.... An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."
As for the programmed decline of the American economy, CFR member Samuel Huntington argues that if higher is considered to be desirable to the general population, "a program is then necessary to lower the job expectations of those who receive a college education."
And to get back to the Fed, CFR member Paul Volcker (former chairman of the Federal Reserve) says:
"The standard of living of the average american has to decline...I don't think you can escape that."
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Ayo, sk8dood, that fuckin' birdman gift keeps making my computer go into spinning beach ball of death mode.
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Why the fuck are you pasting text from "The Creature from Jekyll Island?" No one cares.
Proof: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/WhatCreatureIsThis%3F_TCFJI.html (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/WhatCreatureIsThis%3F_TCFJI.html)
You are a complete nutjob...get your own brain.
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yeah, those quotes are from pages 110-112. Thanks for posting, I didn't have a link, only the hard copy. Would've been much easier to copy/paste than to read and type them from the book. Hopefully people will check it out. I learned a great deal of history that I never would of encountered had I not picked it up. G. Edward Griffin is the man. That also led to reading Carroll Quigley's "Tradegy and Hope"...which traces organizations like the Fabian Society, CFR, Trilateral Commission and others back to Cecil Rhodes, Lord Alfred Milner and the Round Table. What do you make of those quotes, Chalk?
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Oh yeah, and Professor Anthony Sutton's books, too.
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*Chock
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What do you make of those quotes, Chalk?
Not much. The only secret society I believe in is that one in Eyes Wide Shut.
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Oh well, dude, if you're a Kubrick fan, I recommend checking out a series of documentaries called "Kubrick's Odyssey" by Jay Weidner. Even if you don't buy into Weidners analysis of Kubrick's body of work, it's still really thought provoking and entertaining. Eyes Wide Shut is definitely gnar. But even more gnar are the circumstances surrounding Kubrick's death after demanding that scenes not be taking out of the film. I wonder what the extra 24 minutes of footage that was cut by the Warner Bros execs contains...or if it still exists.
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What do you make of those quotes, Chalk?
Not much. The only secret society I believe in is that one in Eyes Wide Shut.
Whether you "believe" in Skull & Bones, Bohemian Club, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Club of Rome, Committee of 300, Bilderberg Group, etc or not, it is a fact these groups exist. Now you can debate their influence on the world via national and international policy but you can't deny their existence. I mean I suppose you could deny them if you wanted to but you'd be delusional. I would agree that whatever true power structure that does exist, isn't going to be known by you or I and the ones I mentioned are larger front groups, it doesn't mean these front groups aren't bad news for nation sovereignty and foreign/monetary policies in America and abroad. All of them are guilty of the move to consolidate power into one global unit, and it would seem by any means necessary.
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Jesus Christ, you plagiarized? hahahaha. At least I actually critically look at multiple sides and am able to come to my own conclusions. Copy and paste any piece of text I wrote here into google. Unless its quoted and cited or like 3 words or less, you won't find it anywhere else.
You do realize that Reagan was the antithesis or Keynesian economics right? Of course you don't, you don't understand economics. ;)
Basically, that piece you plagiarized is the epitome of a bad critique- they take quotes out of context, don't talk about the context, and actually do everything they can to steer you away from the context, as well as avoid discussing any level of policy implimentation that would affirm that these people meant what you claim they do.
I'm not even going to get into your secret societies rule the world paranoid bullshit, but lets just say, along with economics, you need to take a basic course in politics, as you don't understand jack shit about them either.
I'm not arguing facts at this point, you have terrible epistemology and have no fucking clue how to think.
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Haha, ad homina-homina-hominem? They're fucking quotes. haha...from 600 page text that provides a great deal of context. Anywho, I was just thinking that you may have never come across those quotes and you might be interested in reading them. Of course I understand that about Reagan...I am trying to point out that there is a larger game...convergence.
But Gipper, nothing on the CFR, no opinion? I honestly just wanted to know what you think. But nothing. Since when did the CFR become a secret society. I mean, I'm down to talk about any of these groups that are publicly known...The Rand Corportation, Club of Rome, etc. and the egregious and atrocious things they carried out in the past and plan to carry out in the future. That makes me a conspiracy theorist?
Basic courses in politics and economics, hahaha, that's a funny one....I didn't start learning about those subjects until I forgot nearly everything I learned in the classes I took to get a degree in Political Science. (from American University, 2006)
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Whether you "believe" in Skull & Bones, Bohemian Club, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Club of Rome, Committee of 300, Bilderberg Group, etc or not, it is a fact these groups exist. Now you can debate their influence on the world via national and international policy but you can't deny their existence.
Right, I know these groups exist. You know what I meant.
I mean I suppose you could deny them if you wanted to but you'd be delusional. I would agree that whatever true power structure that does exist, isn't going to be known by you or I and the ones I mentioned are larger front groups, it doesn't mean these front groups aren't bad news for nation sovereignty and foreign/monetary policies in America and abroad. All of them are guilty of the move to consolidate power into one global unit, and it would seem by any means necessary.
You are able to convince yourself that the true power structure will be unknown, but also manage to convince yourself that these groups are intertwined together, hell-bent on turning men into slaves of the global bank or whatever. Maybe someday people will listen to your cries for help or maybe someday the New World Order will realize you're being too noisy and they'll hire some central bank assassin to pay you a visit.
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FUCKING BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!
GET A LIFE FAGGOTS!
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damn, John rips. It'd sick if he got on toy machine, but REAL fits him or Workshop
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This thread has had so many ups and downs. I was kinda enjoying the victor shit talk.
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i pray he doesn't get on workshop, but that is the only logical explanation since he skates with those dudes already.
workshop doesnt need an ogre
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I'll apologize in advance, this video contains nothing on the Civil War, economics, or Nicki Minaj.
It's a webclip from Jon Fitzgerald's (the guy mentioned in the thread title, remember?) shop sponsor with footage rumored to be filmed initially for Cold War.
He likes to skate into walls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vl-GrH4oyBI
edit: Sorry for the repost, just saw it's up on Photos/Videos.
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Did Donovan choose his song?
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That was awesome! So hyped on that crunt
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that smith grind was awesomely dipped. fs blunt at dolores is still fucking crazy.
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That front board was absolutely fucked!
By the way, how is this thread still alive?
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that clip was so fucking awesome. that deserved to be in an actual video but, i'll take it anyways.
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YEAH THAT FRONT BOARD WAS GNARLY FOR SURE.. SO IS THIS THE GUY WHO WON WHEN FORREST DIDNT???
I DONT PAY ATTN TO THAT SHIT
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that clip was so fucking awesome. that deserved to be in an actual video but, i'll take it anyways.
He crushed every one of those tricks so hard. I hope he does end up on the Workshop program.
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that smith grind was awesomely dipped. fs blunt at dolores is still fucking crazy.
Front blunt at dolores is ender status....Didn't Figgy have a photo in Thrasher front boarding that rail?
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Beast Mode.....sorry for doubting you John.
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I don't know about him being on Workshop, but maybe with Kirchart retiring they need a new dude to hop on some big shit.
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I'm just stoked he's off Zero
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Holy shit those are some good tricks.
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figgy already did frontboard on that rail, and i could imagine it looked way better than this ogre
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never really got into him up until now. that clip was so sick! huge fan!
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For some reason I dig the style where you land everything like you barely made it. Sick clip.
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For some reason I dig the style where you land everything like you barely made it. Sick clip.
me too. I think its because it makes shit look more dangerous. A dude falling asleep doing something gnarly doesn't seem that impressive, because it doesn't make you feel like something sketchy is happening. When a dude nearly dies its like "Oh shit....."
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the truth why john left zero is because he didnt like the direction jamie was putting the company in. he didnt like josiah and kyle federick on the team and it wasn't "zero" anymore.
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It hasn't been zero since they cut Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison. My cynical suspicion was he had a year on zero because of the contest, then the contract ran up and they dropped him. Judging from that video though, I doubt it.
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hes on alien workshop now thats why he put out that video of all the footage he was going to use for the zero video
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It hasn't been zero since they cut Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison. My cynical suspicion was he had a year on zero because of the contest, then the contract ran up and they dropped him. Judging from that video though, I doubt it.
i've had mixed feelings about zero for a long time now. they still have a super rad team and all, but i just don't feel as if it's as appealing as it was in the misled youth days. given that i didn't even skate and was probably in the sixth grade, i just get a good nostalgic vibe when i watch the older zero videos whereas the newer ones don't even cross my mind when i think of the brand.
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the truth why john left zero is because he didnt like the direction jamie was putting the company in. he didnt like josiah and kyle federick on the team and it wasn't "zero" anymore.
I highly doubt this, first of all Kyle is on Mystery not Zero. As for Josiah...well that is a disappointment but he looks to be dressing and skating the part, it'll surely be less of a transition than Cole made.
Gipper is right Zero hasn't been Zero in years. I wouldn't necessarily say it was that early but I can see where he is coming from. For me ever since Chris Cole became a more of a contest skater who dresses in Monster gear from head to toe and he is supposed to be the face of Zero is when they stopped being what they once were, but it did start earlier I suppose. John knew where Zero was going, he just got a better opportunity on a what he saw as a sicker brand and took it I'm sure.
Honestly I think Jamie made a mistake letting Chris own a piece of Zero, he should've just let him leave and start his own brand, which would've failed most likely, or Chris would've foreseen that and stayed with Zero because it's what gave him his identity and the fame that followed, just being a talented skateborder doesn't mean much, and there have been many examples of that fact. I personally think Fallen gained back a lot of 'core' street credit after Cole left, and even though it may take some time and possibly another video to really show the true effect I do believe it's there.
People talk shit on Chief a bunch and I can even see where their criticism comes from but the fact is the guy brilliant, and no doubt is still one of the hardest working dudes in skateboarding. I don't know what's happened over the past few years, the whole Cole thing going down, it makes me feel like he felt vulnerable in some way because the direction of Zero and Mystery just haven't been as clear as they once were. In fact I feel like the direction of Mystery has always been sort of well...as mystery hahaha. I still think of them as important brand within the industry, and whether they're my favorites or not is irrelevant. I suppose I will always have a soft spot for Zero and Jamie Thomas just because of the influence they've had on skateboarding and on me.
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It hasn't been zero since they cut Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison. My cynical suspicion was he had a year on zero because of the contest, then the contract ran up and they dropped him. Judging from that video though, I doubt it.
i've had mixed feelings about zero for a long time now. they still have a super rad team and all, but i just don't feel as if it's as appealing as it was in the misled youth days. given that i didn't even skate and was probably in the sixth grade, i just get a good nostalgic vibe when i watch the older zero videos whereas the newer ones don't even cross my mind when i think of the brand.
That's a great way to put it, actually. I never really thought about that, but it's true.
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It's way true. Their team just got too huge. But little Jamie, Tommy guns and Dane burman skate like men and put out crazy shit. I'd like zero alot more if they stopped making shitty boards with gay art.
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I have to say I disagree with most of what you said, TMKF. I honestly think Zero's team is the best and most diverse it's ever been right now. And not like a disjointed diverse. Everyone is gnarly in their own way. Though losing John puts a damper on it.
As far as giving Cole a piece of Black Box, I think it was great idea. Cole is his own entity in skateboarding and could've gone anywhere or started anything, and a stake in Black Box keeps him loyal.
But with a team that huge, money is probably spread thin, which might be why they've lost John, Murphy, Eldridge, and Steamer over the past couple years.
From what I heard, John left on his own. Not sure why. But with him dropping that bonkers footage for his shop sponsor, it makes me a little nervous that he doesn't have a board sponsor lined up. Shame because he's a beast.
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the truth why john left zero is because he didnt like the direction jamie was putting the company in. he didnt like josiah and kyle federick on the team and it wasn't "zero" anymore.
I highly doubt this, first of all Kyle is on Mystery not Zero. As for Josiah...well that is a disappointment but he looks to be dressing and skating the part, it'll surely be less of a transition than Cole made.
Gipper is right Zero hasn't been Zero in years. I wouldn't necessarily say it was that early but I can see where he is coming from. For me ever since Chris Cole became a more of a contest skater who dresses in Monster gear from head to toe and he is supposed to be the face of Zero is when they stopped being what they once were, but it did start earlier I suppose. John knew where Zero was going, he just got a better opportunity on a what he saw as a sicker brand and took it I'm sure.
Honestly I think Jamie made a mistake letting Chris own a piece of Zero, he should've just let him leave and start his own brand, which would've failed most likely, or Chris would've foreseen that and stayed with Zero because it's what gave him his identity and the fame that followed, just being a talented skateborder doesn't mean much, and there have been many examples of that fact. I personally think Fallen gained back a lot of 'core' street credit after Cole left, and even though it may take some time and possibly another video to really show the true effect I do believe it's there.
People talk shit on Chief a bunch and I can even see where their criticism comes from but the fact is the guy brilliant, and no doubt is still one of the hardest working dudes in skateboarding. I don't know what's happened over the past few years, the whole Cole thing going down, it makes me feel like he felt vulnerable in some way because the direction of Zero and Mystery just haven't been as clear as they once were. In fact I feel like the direction of Mystery has always been sort of well...as mystery hahaha. I still think of them as important brand within the industry, and whether they're my favorites or not is irrelevant. I suppose I will always have a soft spot for Zero and Jamie Thomas just because of the influence they've had on skateboarding and on me.
Trust me that is the reason he left zero, ive been told this by someone who rides for zero.
He simply didnt like the direction the company was going, told jamie he was grateful for what he had given him and dipped.
And he has no confirmed board sponsor yet, he isn't on alien
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this thread has gon to hell and back an 17 pages later the original topic is finally given some answers. SLAP is amazing
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Figgy didn't land that front board
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this thread has gon to hell and back an 17 pages later the original topic is finally given some answers. SLAP is amazing
Strangely my interest in this thread was at its peak when it was about Nicki Minaj.
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that smith grind was awesomely dipped. fs blunt at dolores is still fucking crazy.
Yes, that smith was god damn insane.
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too bad OIAM didnt get picked up by a tv station and become a hit.slap coulda made $$$, and started up a skate team with forrest and john fitzgerald and other OIAM alumni.
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If fitzgerald gets on workshop everything jason dill said in that am article for pisopo is a load of shit and dill basically becomes a chump to me once again.
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If fitzgerald gets on workshop everything jason dill said in that am article for pisopo is a load of shit and dill basically becomes a chump to me once again.
What did he say?
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
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Just replace the Piscopo kid with John. Everyone wins
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
dills the one who said it not piscopo. if fitzgerald can get on then anyone can get on. you just have to be average at skating and know how to clean out dills asshole with your mouth. piscopo had the potential to be one the best so i get why hes on but i just dont see that with fitzgerald.
also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit. workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
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Actually its a shame. Dudes like John rip hard and guys like Shane Heyl turn pro. I love Shane as much as the next dude but their skateing is not comparable at all, John is just on another level!
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
dills the one who said it not piscopo. if fitzgerald can get on then anyone can get on. you just have to be average at skating and know how to clean out dills asshole with your mouth. piscopo had the potential to be one the best so i get why hes on but i just dont see that with fitzgerald.
did you see the new video of John that was posted on the last page? he's pretty far from average.
Pawnshop - John Fitzgerald for Pawnshop Skate Co. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vl-GrH4oyBI#)
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all youre showing me is that he has a great future ahead of him as a pro on think or expedition-one. "average" isnt the right word. thats a little negative. his style is up to date. nothing more nothing less. hes like stevie perez but towards a power style instead of a tech style.
and i dont like what zero has become. it should strictly be a gnarly rail and gap company. its such a diluted entity in skateboarding these days. they shouldve let chris cole join plan b or whatever and marketed the shit out of tommy sandoval instead. hes a better arbiter of what the brand was about. he does insane tricks on rails and gaps and doesnt look like a kook doing em.
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put him on Deluxe!
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Ghost , u got a quote on the Piscopo / Dill thing ? what Im getting now from what you are saying is , Dill said nobody is ever getting on Workshop again . Like a team lock down
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/35bt7av.png)
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so its not possible that he is currently going through that long process? I don't see why this would make Dill a liar.
I mean it does seem like Heath, Berra, Arto, Taylor, and even Dill got on without much wait, though I guess with Dill in charge its a different ship. What's lame is how much he seemed to emphasize personal shit...Alien's good though, so I guess I shouldn't complain until the team goes down hill.
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also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit.
workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
Those are contradictory statements, but I think the second one rings pretty true.
Thanks for posting that clip again smokecrack, I almost forgot how awesome that front tail was, he followed that backwards curve surprisingly far around.
Gipper, what exactly do you mean about emphasizing personal shit, like how he kept talking about the kid being quirky and liking the same music and shit? If you don't look at personality traits in building a cohesive team, its too easy to end up as another Plan B, or if you're really unlucky, Darkstar.
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also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit.
workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
Those are contradictory statements, but I think the second one rings pretty true.
Thanks for posting that clip again smokecrack, I almost forgot how awesome that front tail was, he followed that backwards curve surprisingly far around.
Gipper, what exactly do you mean about emphasizing personal shit, like how he kept talking about the kid being quirky and liking the same music and shit? If you don't look at personality traits in building a cohesive team, its too easy to end up as another Plan B, or if you're really unlucky, Darkstar.
Yeah, pretty much that sort of thing. Like the idea that you have to be exactly like them personality wise or something, though I did point out that it does seem to be working so far, aside from Nick Boserio not getting on.
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Besides workshop, I can see John on Toy Machine.
either or would be a big time bonus for him. i see him fitting well on both teams.
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Lenny didn't you used to work for Workshop?
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
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Just replace the Piscopo kid with John. Everyone wins
im not one to quote something without saying anything, so here is a sentence with a comma in the middle.
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i pray he doesn't get on workshop, but that is the only logical explanation since he skates with those dudes already.
workshop doesnt need an ogre
why do you have to hate on skaating it is what it is he can make his own desicions
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also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit.
workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
Those are contradictory statements, but I think the second one rings pretty true.
Thanks for posting that clip again smokecrack, I almost forgot how awesome that front tail was, he followed that backwards curve surprisingly far around.
Gipper, what exactly do you mean about emphasizing personal shit, like how he kept talking about the kid being quirky and liking the same music and shit? If you don't look at personality traits in building a cohesive team, its too easy to end up as another Plan B, or if you're really unlucky, Darkstar.
Yeah what the fuck is up with that, how long has he been a man-am over there? That life splicing part was insanely awesome, I'd buy his board in a heartbeat.
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
Dill's words need to be taken with a grain of salt, or just outright ignored. That giant paragraph about Donny pretty much summed up to "It's the workshop, but fuck it".
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
I mean considering that whole spiel where he talked about getting "Donny" on even though nobody gets on was one giant hypocritical statement, I would have to agree.
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Besides workshop, I can see John on Toy Machine.
either or would be a big time bonus for him. i see him fitting well on both teams.
It would be sick to see Toy Machine as an elite board company again!
EDIT: I just want to say before anyone jumps down my throat that I love Toy Machine, and John Fitzgerald would not single handedly exalt Toy Machine to an elite board company. I think hed be a great addition to the Toy team. (BA 2.0)
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
I mean considering that whole spiel where he talked about getting "Donny" on even though nobody gets on was one giant hypocritical statement, I would have to agree.
hy?per?bo?le/hīˈpərbəlē/
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Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
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Besides workshop, I can see John on Toy Machine.
either or would be a big time bonus for him. i see him fitting well on both teams.
EDIT: I just want to say before anyone jumps down my throat that I love Toy Machine, and John Fitzgerald would not single handedly exalt Toy Machine to an elite board company. I think he be a great addition to the Toy team. (BA 2.0)
Demote Josh Harmony to flow & delist Austin Stephens. Draft John Fitzgerald.
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Hardly saw any footy. Why should we care?
Did you see his new ad for the Pawnshop?
You have autism.
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lol @ you retards taking Dill's statement completely literally.
I mean considering that whole spiel where he talked about getting "Donny" on even though nobody gets on was one giant hypocritical statement, I would have to agree.
Noun:
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
True. I guess the jokes on me for being stupid about it and taking it extra serious. I feel pretty strongly about fitzgerald not getting on. Having the balls to bomb a hill and do a few ok tricks does not qualify him to be a workshop am. But im not the tm. When girl/chocolate puts a rider on theyre basically stealing some high profile rider from another company or someone whos obI obviously on his way. I probably couldve made the same argument i way trying to make about fizgerald about Crockett or baby grant or dylan a while ago but now theyre on their way toward being legends so...i guess those dudes do have the ability to see something in riders that are less obvious to other people. Or just me.
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Gilbert Crockett: Vans x Zumiez (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mq52zoprfWg#ws)
1:40 John fitzgerald next am for alien workshop ...?
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i think he was talking about vans riders there, if taylor smith and john both get on that'd be awesome
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I think that I'm not working on that same trick
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I was laughing pretty hard watching his hands as he tried to explain that trick.
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It looks like Gilbert decided to get all his tats at once.
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You guys have instagram right?
He's clearly on in some regard, even if it's just "feeling him out"...
There's a photo somewhere of him in the back of an Alien filled tour van too.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85qymDt4v1rvacyvo1_500.jpg)
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Yes, this is all coming together.
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It looks like Gilbert decided to get all his tats at once.
I feel like he's going to be covered in a year or two at his rate.
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You guys have instagram right?
He's clearly on in some regard, even if it's just "feeling him out"...
There's a photo somewhere of him in the back of an Alien filled tour van too.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85qymDt4v1rvacyvo1_500.jpg)
He's filming for his gut's introduction video.
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You guys have instagram right?
He's clearly on in some regard, even if it's just "feeling him out"...
There's a photo somewhere of him in the back of an Alien filled tour van too.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85qymDt4v1rvacyvo1_500.jpg)
He's filming for his gut's introduction video.
The only doubt I can feel here is that thus far our ties are Gilbert and Dill. Both of whom go on Vans tours...
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"nevermind it's fakie" hahahahaha I laughed so hard
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
dills the one who said it not piscopo. if fitzgerald can get on then anyone can get on. you just have to be average at skating and know how to clean out dills asshole with your mouth. piscopo had the potential to be one the best so i get why hes on but i just dont see that with fitzgerald.
also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit. workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
I don't know, maybe youre right and one or two guys can influence the direction but I don't think it's at all as deliberate as you may think. Dyrdek wasn't the dude he is now around the time Timecode came out. Wouldn't Lenny Kirk have been more of the influential one? Same for Heath during Mind Field... That dude had to be an inspiration to the rest of the team, but again I don't think Heath would take on the roll of captain, as you put it.
I think Dill just talks a lot. He's been on forever now and seems to care quite a bit about the brand still to this day. I don't know what woke him up, be he's been killing it since Mind Field came out.
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has anyone said how this kid looks like ian mackaye yet
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
dills the one who said it not piscopo. if fitzgerald can get on then anyone can get on. you just have to be average at skating and know how to clean out dills asshole with your mouth. piscopo had the potential to be one the best so i get why hes on but i just dont see that with fitzgerald.
also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit. workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
I don't know, maybe youre right and one or two guys can influence the direction but I don't think it's at all as deliberate as you may think. Dyrdek wasn't the dude he is now around the time Timecode came out. Wouldn't Lenny Kirk have been more of the influential one? Same for Heath during Mind Field... That dude had to be an inspiration to the rest of the team, but again I don't think Heath would take on the roll of captain, as you put it.
I think Dill just talks a lot. He's been on forever now and seems to care quite a bit about the brand still to this day. I don't know what woke him up, be he's been killing it since Mind Field came out.
I met Berra he said AVE and Dill were trying to get him kicked off for five years before it finally happened. Also, Berra was an okay dude.
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has anyone said how this kid looks like ian mackaye yet
God damn you're right
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That nobody gets on workshop, we have rules about who getslooked at, yada yada yada. ? Its out of the new transworld am issue.
Maybe all Pros and Ams are stoked on Fitzgerald ? ? Pretty sure Piscopo isnt calling the shots at AWS
dills the one who said it not piscopo. if fitzgerald can get on then anyone can get on. you just have to be average at skating and know how to clean out dills asshole with your mouth. piscopo had the potential to be one the best so i get why hes on but i just dont see that with fitzgerald.
also his comment about workshop changing riders and not the otherway around is utter bullshit. workshop goes through generations where one or two riders basically captain the ship. it was blenders workshop for memory screen then dyrdeks for timecode then kalis' for photosynthesis and then kirchart's for mind field. now its dill and AVEs turn to captain the ship and basically mold it to what they want. he can deny that but it is true.
I don't know, maybe youre right and one or two guys can influence the direction but I don't think it's at all as deliberate as you may think. Dyrdek wasn't the dude he is now around the time Timecode came out. Wouldn't Lenny Kirk have been more of the influential one? Same for Heath during Mind Field... That dude had to be an inspiration to the rest of the team, but again I don't think Heath would take on the roll of captain, as you put it.
I think Dill just talks a lot. He's been on forever now and seems to care quite a bit about the brand still to this day. I don't know what woke him up, be he's been killing it since Mind Field came out.
I met Berra he said AVE and Dill were trying to get him kicked off for five years before it finally happened. Also, Berra was an okay dude.
Fuck yeah AVE and Dill!
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I met Berra he said AVE and Dill were trying to get him kicked off for five years before it finally happened. Also, Berra was an okay dude.
So Berra spoke negatively about the two guys that got rid of his cornball do nothing ass, while making himself look like a good guy?
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has anyone said how this kid looks like ian mackaye yet
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1494381_o.gif)
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Hopefully they introduce him to alien soon. Would like to see a welcome video with some new footage.
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zero is still relevant in skateboarding? why is this thread 20 pages long and who the fuck is John Fitzgerald
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zero is still relevant in skateboarding? why is this thread 20 pages long and who the fuck is John Fitzgerald
Yes.
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zero is still relevant in skateboarding? why is this thread 20 pages long and who the fuck is John Fitzgerald
425 POSTS ON SLAP and you don't know him? wtf
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It's official: John Fitz is up for AWS's KOTR Draft.
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for those questioning him getting on because of his skating:
Pawnshop - John Fitzgerald for Pawnshop Skate Co. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl-GrH4oyBI#)
this has already bu posted in this thread im sure but fuck it
and this is a shop part!
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^^^That front blunt at Delores Park is so sick.
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It's official: John Fitz is up for AWS's KOTR Draft.
Fucking Christ, finally some confirmation
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It's official: John Fitz is up for AWS's KOTR Draft.
fuck yeah!
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That Pawnshop part is footage that would have been in Cold War.
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that pawnshop footage was fuckin sick
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zero is still relevant in skateboarding? why is this thread 20 pages long and who the fuck is John Fitzgerald
I don't fully recall, but I believe there were long political debates concerning zero/blackbox and a connection to white supremacy; then the civil war and what the politicians at the time truly wanted; then the economy; also something about how gilbert crockett changed his clothes somewhere along the line. Am I missing something? A lot of it was well thought out gipper rants that for the most part I didn't read.
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And when zero gets that terrorist looking dude...no one gives a shit....
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This is great news, im stoked. Super good pick up for AWS. Not to get ahead of myself but im thinking one day Fitzgerald could be skater of the year. That guy looks amazing on a skateboard. Now a welcome part.
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fucking stoked, dude deserves it and seems to fit right in the workshop, i decreasingly give a fuck about zero too
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And when zero gets that terrorist looking dude...no one gives a shit....
They will
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So what's going to happen with the footage that would've been used in Cold War? Was all of it used in that Pawnshop video?
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And when zero gets that terrorist looking dude...no one gives a shit....
Ha.
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So... anybody have conclusive evidence why Fitz is off Zero? I don't really want to dig through the political debates from earlier.
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So... anybody have conclusive evidence why Fitz is off Zero? I don't really want to dig through the political debates from earlier.
He was over it, and saw an opportunity to ride for Workshop since he skates with some of the Alien dudes.