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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Exposure on April 20, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
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obliviously going to happy medium
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besides plunkstar there's really no reason to fuck with skate mental
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I'm surprised this aint come up marc johnson's comment is hilarious.
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Marc speaking the truth
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Can someone explain the joke I dun understand
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inb4 isuck
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Unless they had a lot of stock of Colden pre-made can't really understand forcing a buy out. Granted Black Box does go above and beyond in some cases providing housing to these kids who aren't locals to the area allowing someone like Trevor to move out to SoCal relatively easily.
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$15,000 is an insane amount of money for buying out board sponsor contracts.
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He got bodied as quick as I thought
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Beach explained his whole thing with Sm and nike.. kinda lame if they kicked Motta off.
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Unless they had a lot of stock of Colden pre-made can't really understand forcing a buy out. Granted Black Box does go above and beyond in some cases providing housing to these kids who aren't locals to the area allowing someone like Trevor to move out to SoCal relatively easily.
They get to stay in bunks at the blackbox dormitory. Dane Burman was staying in a bunk bed when his cold war part came out. That is insane. He made so much money for Fallen and Zero this year. Anybody else in his situation would be able to rent at least a reasonable studio apartment.
Not saying all the black box ams deserve major compensation, but when I heard Dane Burman wasn't making much it really rubbed me the wrong way. Dude is putting himself on the line in a major way and doing important things for Zero.
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Motta was one creepy fucker but his skating was fun to watch. 360 wall ride sequence was interesting
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360 flip*
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In Greek mythology, Helen of Troy also known as Helen of Sparta, was the daughter of Zeus and Leda, and was a sister of Castor, Pollux, and Clytemnestra.
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"the jews attacked Belial,the god of the babylonians. The christians banished Pan and Loki and Mars, the respective deities of the ancient Greeks and Cels and Romans The Anglican Brittish banned belief in the Australian Aboriginal spirits known as the mimi. Satan is depicted with cloven hooves because Pan had them, and he carries a pitchfork based on the trident carried by neptune."
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how could a brand who markets this
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lose a rider who's last name literally translates into the spanish slang for weed? I figured they would have a field day with that.
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Motta's skateboarding is great, didn't he have some issues/ nervous breakdown or something? I thought skate mental were cool to keep him on for ages when he wasn't really doing anything
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I think he is bi-polar.
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hello slap im here to post probably the only thing i will ever post but i figured slap would be the best place for it since i have been a prior lurker here, a while back i found an easter egg hidden on the skate mental website, i was on mottas team page and noticed a bolder font on one of his answers i clicked on it and it brought me to a file hosting webpage ( http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4369/awesomech.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4369/awesomech.jpg) ) i downloaded the file and it was exactly what the file name said, it was all of mottas raw unedited footage, also in the folder with the footage was a letter written and signed by johns mom, basically saying john didnt like his footage and wanted it hid on the site cuz while filming it the year before he had a bad biploar 2 episode causing him to be in and out of the hospital on meds for half the year and that the doctor told him not to do anything physical, so he just wanted to hide the footage on the skate mental site and if someone found it that they could leak it or edit it, and i was that person so heres what i did with it...let the leaking begin!!!
john motta skate mental easter egg part (http://vimeo.com/28063360)
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
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John motta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew7e91S_UiE#)
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some kid asked staba why he kicked motta off and he replied #IDIDNT, so im thinking he probably did leave for happy medium
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
I dont think they really do tours and shit. I read some Shane O Neill interview, and he was asked about the best things about riding for SM. He said that one of them was that they dont have to go to any tours.
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
I dont think they really do tours and shit. I read some Shane O Neill interview, and he was asked about the best things about riding for SM. He said that one of them was that they dont have to go to any tours.
No, he said they have never done any tours, but was hoping they would
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
I dont think they really do tours and shit. I read some Shane O Neill interview, and he was asked about the best things about riding for SM. He said that one of them was that they dont have to go to any tours.
No, he said they have never done any tours, but was hoping they would
Ok, nevermind. I remembered it wrong. Still, a weird cast of dudes.
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Beach isnt on anymore either, what happened to him?
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
I dont think they really do tours and shit. I read some Shane O Neill interview, and he was asked about the best things about riding for SM. He said that one of them was that they dont have to go to any tours.
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
I dont think they really do tours and shit. I read some Shane O Neill interview, and he was asked about the best things about riding for SM. He said that one of them was that they dont have to go to any tours.
Why dont people like going on tours? I have heard a few pros suggest they don't like it. It seems like traveling and skating with all of your friends at new places would be awesome.
Also I just checked the skatemental website and it says its down so I cant see the "team" page but it will still let you view the 2014 catalog and Motta has boards out for spring and summer.
Does Tom Zom still ride for them?
sorry for the long ADD style posting.
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Is Connor Champion not an am for these guys with Tim Zom?
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Yeah it's mildly regular that The Champion isn't Am over there, dude should've been on years ago.
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$15,000 is an insane amount of money for buying out board sponsor contracts.
the amount of money skate mental is going to make off trevor colden will far surpass what they had to pay to get him
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$15,000 is an insane amount of money for buying out board sponsor contracts.
the amount of money skate mental is going to make off trevor colden will far surpass what they had to pay to get him
Trevor Colden has already more than paid for himself.
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This is my first post so go easy on me, I know the story of the contract buy-out. Colden and I are homies, (name drop, I know, forgive for I have sinned) but he told me that The Chief was being a fucking prick and Colden's contract wasn't up, so Colden was doing anything to piss off the chief like riding blank boards and whatnot, he even uploaded an insta post thanking mystery for everything they have done for him. Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go. Scuba then texts Colden telling him about SkateMental, trevor was down but couldn't do it because his contract wasn't over. Word got around and the chief found out that colden was trying to leave for SM, so the chief asked nikesb for like 45k to buy him out of the contract, Nike was like we have nothing to do with this, a couple days go by and asks nike for 30k and they still said we have nothing to do with the matter. Colden was fed up with the chiefs shit and told Scuba that he was gonna pay 15k to the chief. So they met at black box, colden gave him the check for 15k, then trevor went back to his house but not even 30 minutes into the car ride, the chief already cashed the check.
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i have no clue as to how valid that story is but if it is true... Then WOW
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Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go.
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Damn that's funny. That makes that marc johnson comment make more sense, and the board way funnier
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I'm sure isuck will come on here prove that story bullshit.
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At first thought, it seems pretty pathetic. But then I realized it's probably a NB vs Nike thing in JT's mind, so that's probably why he got all lawyer on the kid.
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well hes the only young dude that was really a SL prospect....obvious reasons to want to keep him on blackbox.
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Finally some good gossip. Remember skateboardrumors.com? That's what we should aim for. Slap's been a little dry on Industry gossip lately.
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how could a brand who markets this
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lose a rider who's last name literally translates into the spanish slang for weed? I figured they would have a field day with that.
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This is my first post so go easy on me, I know the story of the contract buy-out. Colden and I are homies, (name drop, I know, forgive for I have sinned) but he told me that The Chief was being a fucking prick and Colden's contract wasn't up, so Colden was doing anything to piss off the chief like riding blank boards and whatnot, he even uploaded an insta post thanking mystery for everything they have done for him. Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go. Scuba then texts Colden telling him about SkateMental, trevor was down but couldn't do it because his contract wasn't over. Word got around and the chief found out that colden was trying to leave for SM, so the chief asked nikesb for like 45k to buy him out of the contract, Nike was like we have nothing to do with this, a couple days go by and asks nike for 30k and they still said we have nothing to do with the matter. Colden was fed up with the chiefs shit and told Scuba that he was gonna pay 15k to the chief. So they met at black box, colden gave him the check for 15k, then trevor went back to his house but not even 30 minutes into the car ride, the chief already cashed the check.
now thats a first post.
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continue...
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This is my first post so go easy on me, I know the story of the contract buy-out. Colden and I are homies, (name drop, I know, forgive for I have sinned) but he told me that The Chief was being a fucking prick and Colden's contract wasn't up, so Colden was doing anything to piss off the chief like riding blank boards and whatnot, he even uploaded an insta post thanking mystery for everything they have done for him. Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go. Scuba then texts Colden telling him about SkateMental, trevor was down but couldn't do it because his contract wasn't over. Word got around and the chief found out that colden was trying to leave for SM, so the chief asked nikesb for like 45k to buy him out of the contract, Nike was like we have nothing to do with this, a couple days go by and asks nike for 30k and they still said we have nothing to do with the matter. Colden was fed up with the chiefs shit and told Scuba that he was gonna pay 15k to the chief. So they met at black box, colden gave him the check for 15k, then trevor went back to his house but not even 30 minutes into the car ride, the chief already cashed the check.
Specify how?
Well...that prick made him what he is in the first place...
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so Trevor Colden gave Jamie Thomas $15,000 of his OWN MONEY to get out of his contract? wow.
how long did this kid sign a contract for?!?! Most contracts are about a year. He must've signed some long ass contract if he was willing to pay that much to get out of it.
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This is my first post so go easy on me, I know the story of the contract buy-out. Colden and I are homies, (name drop, I know, forgive for I have sinned) but he told me that The Chief was being a fucking prick and Colden's contract wasn't up, so Colden was doing anything to piss off the chief like riding blank boards and whatnot, he even uploaded an insta post thanking mystery for everything they have done for him. Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go. Scuba then texts Colden telling him about SkateMental, trevor was down but couldn't do it because his contract wasn't over. Word got around and the chief found out that colden was trying to leave for SM, so the chief asked nikesb for like 45k to buy him out of the contract, Nike was like we have nothing to do with this, a couple days go by and asks nike for 30k and they still said we have nothing to do with the matter. Colden was fed up with the chiefs shit and told Scuba that he was gonna pay 15k to the chief. So they met at black box, colden gave him the check for 15k, then trevor went back to his house but not even 30 minutes into the car ride, the chief already cashed the check.
Well...that prick made him what he is in the first place...
I love that after all these years and countless stories, people still refuse to believe that Jamie Thomas just might be an asshole
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This is my first post so go easy on me, I know the story of the contract buy-out. Colden and I are homies, (name drop, I know, forgive for I have sinned) but he told me that The Chief was being a fucking prick and Colden's contract wasn't up, so Colden was doing anything to piss off the chief like riding blank boards and whatnot, he even uploaded an insta post thanking mystery for everything they have done for him. Colden gets a text from the chief saying I'm not letting you go. Scuba then texts Colden telling him about SkateMental, trevor was down but couldn't do it because his contract wasn't over. Word got around and the chief found out that colden was trying to leave for SM, so the chief asked nikesb for like 45k to buy him out of the contract, Nike was like we have nothing to do with this, a couple days go by and asks nike for 30k and they still said we have nothing to do with the matter. Colden was fed up with the chiefs shit and told Scuba that he was gonna pay 15k to the chief. So they met at black box, colden gave him the check for 15k, then trevor went back to his house but not even 30 minutes into the car ride, the chief already cashed the check.
Well...that prick made him what he is in the first place...
I love that after all these years and countless stories, people still refuse to believe that Jamie Thomas just might be an asshole
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while some of Jamie's business practices may seem questionable to people, personally, I think the kid that signed a contract for way longer than he should have, and then wanted to break it just to go skate for a different company, and forked $15K out of his pocket to do so, is the bigger prick.
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while some of Jamie's business practices may seem questionable to people, personally, I think the kid that signed a contract for way longer than he should have, and then wanted to break it just to go skate for a different company, and forked $15K out of his pocket to do so, is the bigger prick.
Ah yes. The kid who signed a contract while underage and excited about getting attention from a big company, trusting that a skating legend and probably one of his idols wouldn't screw him over and was then extorted by his boss is a WAY bigger prick than the 35 year old business man who bullied an 18 year old and harassed his other, uninvolved, sponsors.
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while some of Jamie's business practices may seem questionable to people, personally, I think the kid that signed a contract for way longer than he should have, and then wanted to break it just to go skate for a different company, and forked $15K out of his pocket to do so, is the bigger prick.
Ah yes. The kid who signed a contract while underage and excited about getting attention from a big company, trusting that a skating legend and probably one of his idols wouldn't screw him over and was then extorted by his boss is a WAY bigger prick than the 35 year old business man who bullied an 18 year old and harassed his other, uninvolved, sponsors.
ok, i get where you're coming from, but the fact of the matter is that jamie is his BOSS, not his friend, not his older brother. Jamie offered the kid a contract, trevor didn't have to sign it or could've had someone look at it that knew about contracts. I'll bet the $15,000 trevor gave Jamie, that he had a lawyer with him when he signed his Nike contract!!!
I'm not saying it's not a shitty move to grease someone for money, but at the same time, he signed the contract. He's obligated to stay with the company for that amount of time. You see Grant Taylor throwing $15,000 at Alien?!?! No, he knew he was under contract and decided to wait it out. You wanna break a contract, there's consequences....you think Jamie should've just let him walk???
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also, I have a hard time believing Jamie asked Nike for money. He's been in the industry long enough to know that they have NOTHING to do with a board sponsor and would NEVER even CONSIDER paying for someone to get out of a board sponsor contract.
You're basing your entire belief off of someone with ONE post who started a rumor!!!
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while some of Jamie's business practices may seem questionable to people, personally, I think the kid that signed a contract for way longer than he should have, and then wanted to break it just to go skate for a different company, and forked $15K out of his pocket to do so, is the bigger prick.
Ah yes. The kid who signed a contract while underage and excited about getting attention from a big company, trusting that a skating legend and probably one of his idols wouldn't screw him over and was then extorted by his boss is a WAY bigger prick than the 35 year old business man who bullied an 18 year old and harassed his other, uninvolved, sponsors.
You guys have no business acumen at all. You think Jamie is his fucking friend or mentor or something? That.doesn't mean shit when you're talking business. Jamie gave him a contract from a business standpoint where he gives colden money and product under terms and conditions he came up with that would yield him a return on his.investment in the kid. The real prick is the guy that agrees to these terms and accepts the fact that he's getting this money to endorse the company, and after.he gets the money he makes mock posts online like he's dropping the company and rides boards other than what he's getting paid to ride. It's trevorrs fault that he signed it in the first place, he miscalculated his worth and signed a contract that he felt was less than the going rate for his services, that's him being a bad business person.
I can tell most of.you guys never ran your own business, because if you gave an employee money to do a job and then they didn't do it you'd probably be pissed off too. And god forbid the friend of the kid comes onto slap and confuses Jamie being authoritative, like a boss, with.being a prick bc someone signed a contract and they aren't living up to their end of the deal. The friend is mistaken to say that Jamie is acting like a prick to the ungrateful little shit, and then you guys eat that shit up and say that Jamie is a jerk and all this nonsense. Jamie is a shrewd business man that expected certain conditions that the contract signee wasn't willing to provide, basically he promised he'd do something for money and did the opposite. Try doing that at your job and see how long you'll be employed for.
And Nick dagger, you're looking at skateboard rumors through rose colored glasses. I was the one that made the pro skaters on drugs thread, and they deleted that shit five times and said I was fucked up for starting it in the first place because no one was talking about guy smoking crack at the time and they didn't want their boards to be the first place on the internet where it surfaced. I had to save and repaste everything multiple times on different ip addresses before they knew I wasn't gonna let up. Slap is a thousand times better than skateboard rumors ever. was.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
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Legend?!?! hahaha,wow, Tracer is TOO much.
and yeah, as much as i don't want to, I gotta agree with Aidan Clarke on this.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
I don't actually see nothing wrong with buying/selling riders to be honest. Hope this start a trend of longer contracts and higher pay. This is the monetary proof that riders make money for the company.
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
I don't actually see nothing wrong with buying/selling riders to be honest. Hope this start a trend of longer contracts and higher pay. This is the monetary proof that riders make money for the company.
There is nothing wrong with buying and selling skaters and their contracts, it further creates demand for these riders and pays them the money that allows us to watch their footage, and then talk shit about them on slap. It's the natural order, if people weren't willing to back these deals up with money then we wouldn't have professional skateboarding, it'd just be a bunch of hobbyists like were collecting model trains or making ships in a bottle or some other nonsense.
It feels good to be sharing a level with you, stevedave.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
are you making up slang terms
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
my point only is this. those contracts were put in front of them, and they weren't forced to sign them. thats why they call them CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Someone offers you a contract, you READ it, see which terms you don't agree with and you counter. If Trevor signed a contract that kept him at Black Box until 2015, it means he AGREED to the terms. Same with Kyle. The thing is, these dudes are skateboarders that have NEVER made money from skateboarding, so if anyone offers them anything, they're pretty quick to take it.
Did Jamie take advantage of their naivety? Possibly. But the point is they weren't forced to do anything they didn't want to do.
And I stand by my point that it's BULLSHIT that Jamie tried to grease Nike for the money to buy out Colden's contract. He's not stupid, and knows how the industry works.
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black box is doing horrible, i wouldn't say JT knows the industry anymore. if colden wanted to pay that much to break the contract then im sure there was mitigating circumstances.
i hope jamie doesnt kill himself soon
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Aiden Clarke is probably the worst poster on here in a long time.
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
my point only is this. those contracts were put in front of them, and they weren't forced to sign them. thats why they call them CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Someone offers you a contract, you READ it, see which terms you don't agree with and you counter. If Trevor signed a contract that kept him at Black Box until 2015, it means he AGREED to the terms. Same with Kyle. The thing is, these dudes are skateboarders that have NEVER made money from skateboarding, so if anyone offers them anything, they're pretty quick to take it.
Did Jamie take advantage of their naivety? Possibly. But the point is they weren't forced to do anything they didn't want to do.
And I stand by my point that it's BULLSHIT that Jamie tried to grease Nike for the money to buy out Colden's contract. He's not stupid, and knows how the industry works.
Yes man, I agree with you that Trevor probably should have read his contract better, but when you're a kid exciting to be talking to a legend with no idea how the skate industry works or how willing people are to fuck you over, then I also understand why you wouldn't think about it like a seasoned business vet. Secondly, it's well-known that the skate world, especially skater-owned companies, really frown on people bringing in agents and lawyers. I remember an interview with PRod when he got on Nike where he said he got an agent to go into negotiations with him but he would never do that with Girl (for example). I'm not sure if that has changed but that's a well-respected money maker saying this. Do you think a (at the time) no name kid would have survived in skating if he lawyered up right away? They'd probably be like, "Who the fuck does he think he is?" and since all it takes is pissing off one person, he could easily be screwed for some time.
Aside from that, people leave from their contracts all the time. If someone wants to quit or is blatantly talking shit on your company, why would you want them around? This happens all the time in the business world and it's called "grounds for firing." Then, you don't have to pay them anymore and in most positions, you cannot force someone to stay if they say they quit. And usually, you can't or don't charge them for the privilege of quitting because it taints your brand and image, making you look like a dick and other people hesitant to work with you. People quit companies all the time in skating. Do you think every single one of them has waited for their contract to expire or had to pay a lot of money because of it? In fact, the only similar move I can remember is when Shane was supposed to leave Nike for DC and they threatened to sue him over it. So I guess congrats to Jamie--he's at Nike's level (assuming this is true).
Oh, and the Grant leaving AWS thing didn't go down the way you described. He was set to quit AWS and told them he was jumping to Anti-Hero so AWS talked to Grant and Deluxe and asked them if they could keep it under wraps because they had just printed a bunch of boards and they needed them to sell. So all three parties reached a deal so that AWS wasn't out a shitload of money. They didn't try to force him to buy out his contract if he left early.
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Yeah, pretty sure among the bigger board brands its common for people with Pro board to give sort of a 90 day notice before officially announcing. Almost all companies that size will play along because it benefits each other by limiting dead stock. Just a basic professional courtesy. Does AWS even have contracts, i've heard multiple times they don't but they've possibly switched that policy recently.
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i cant see plunkett, colden, and o'neil going on tour or doing anything as a "team"
hopefully AHM boards get good distro, id buy one
If you live in AZ Cowtown has them. You can probably get them off Cowtown's website if you're not a local.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
For someone with all the business "acumen" youre pretty wrong about that one. no name bench warmers dont get paid shit. They get traded and dropped all the time, all the while making a couple grand a month.
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So wait, did anyone actually hear that he isnt on SM anymore? just not having his board posted doesnt mean he's not on the team. Also, Staba said he didnt kick him off, so that could mean he's still on.
Look at their bio on Instagram. The riders are all listed. Motta is not.
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For those of you that don't know:
http://www.rawrlife.com/ (http://www.rawrlife.com/)
I hope he goes to AHM. It would suck to see him fall off the radar.
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Aiden Clarke is probably the worst poster on here in a long time.
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
my point only is this. those contracts were put in front of them, and they weren't forced to sign them. thats why they call them CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Someone offers you a contract, you READ it, see which terms you don't agree with and you counter. If Trevor signed a contract that kept him at Black Box until 2015, it means he AGREED to the terms. Same with Kyle. The thing is, these dudes are skateboarders that have NEVER made money from skateboarding, so if anyone offers them anything, they're pretty quick to take it.
Did Jamie take advantage of their naivety? Possibly. But the point is they weren't forced to do anything they didn't want to do.
And I stand by my point that it's BULLSHIT that Jamie tried to grease Nike for the money to buy out Colden's contract. He's not stupid, and knows how the industry works.
Yes man, I agree with you that Trevor probably should have read his contract better, but when you're a kid exciting to be talking to a legend with no idea how the skate industry works or how willing people are to fuck you over, then I also understand why you wouldn't think about it like a seasoned business vet. Secondly, it's well-known that the skate world, especially skater-owned companies, really frown on people bringing in agents and lawyers. I remember an interview with PRod when he got on Nike where he said he got an agent to go into negotiations with him but he would never do that with Girl (for example). I'm not sure if that has changed but that's a well-respected money maker saying this. Do you think a (at the time) no name kid would have survived in skating if he lawyered up right away? They'd probably be like, "Who the fuck does he think he is?" and since all it takes is pissing off one person, he could easily be screwed for some time.
Aside from that, people leave from their contracts all the time. If someone wants to quit or is blatantly talking shit on your company, why would you want them around? This happens all the time in the business world and it's called "grounds for firing." Then, you don't have to pay them anymore and in most positions, you cannot force someone to stay if they say they quit. And usually, you can't or don't charge them for the privilege of quitting because it taints your brand and image, making you look like a dick and other people hesitant to work with you. People quit companies all the time in skating. Do you think every single one of them has waited for their contract to expire or had to pay a lot of money because of it? In fact, the only similar move I can remember is when Shane was supposed to leave Nike for DC and they threatened to sue him over it. So I guess congrats to Jamie--he's at Nike's level (assuming this is true).
Oh, and the Grant leaving AWS thing didn't go down the way you described. He was set to quit AWS and told them he was jumping to Anti-Hero so AWS talked to Grant and Deluxe and asked them if they could keep it under wraps because they had just printed a bunch of boards and they needed them to sell. So all three parties reached a deal so that AWS wasn't out a shitload of money. They didn't try to force him to buy out his contract if he left early.
I agree, all of what you say is legit. back when we were growing up, it was pretty taboo to show up with a lawyer to a board company, but things are much different now. With respect to Girl, at this point, I dont think they'd be too bummed if you showed up with a lawyer to nail down a contract. Girl has lawyers and they understand that a contract protects, and needs to be agreed upon by BOTH parties. That's where it gets weird. Skaters probably have a lot more negotiation power these days. Back in the day it was "Here's what we're offering you" "WOW, THANKS" and they signed. Now, people understand that there's A LOT of money floating around and everyone want's their piece of the pie.
And as for the Grant thing, he may have been set to quit, but with the relationship btw AWS and Thomas Taylor and having smart, experienced, people around him, he made the right move and just let the contract run out, rather than quit. Which is respectable as fuck.
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
my point only is this. those contracts were put in front of them, and they weren't forced to sign them. thats why they call them CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Someone offers you a contract, you READ it, see which terms you don't agree with and you counter. If Trevor signed a contract that kept him at Black Box until 2015, it means he AGREED to the terms. Same with Kyle. The thing is, these dudes are skateboarders that have NEVER made money from skateboarding, so if anyone offers them anything, they're pretty quick to take it.
Did Jamie take advantage of their naivety? Possibly. But the point is they weren't forced to do anything they didn't want to do.
And I stand by my point that it's BULLSHIT that Jamie tried to grease Nike for the money to buy out Colden's contract. He's not stupid, and knows how the industry works.
Yes man, I agree with you that Trevor probably should have read his contract better, but when you're a kid exciting to be talking to a legend with no idea how the skate industry works or how willing people are to fuck you over, then I also understand why you wouldn't think about it like a seasoned business vet. Secondly, it's well-known that the skate world, especially skater-owned companies, really frown on people bringing in agents and lawyers. I remember an interview with PRod when he got on Nike where he said he got an agent to go into negotiations with him but he would never do that with Girl (for example). I'm not sure if that has changed but that's a well-respected money maker saying this. Do you think a (at the time) no name kid would have survived in skating if he lawyered up right away? They'd probably be like, "Who the fuck does he think he is?" and since all it takes is pissing off one person, he could easily be screwed for some time.
Aside from that, people leave from their contracts all the time. If someone wants to quit or is blatantly talking shit on your company, why would you want them around? This happens all the time in the business world and it's called "grounds for firing." Then, you don't have to pay them anymore and in most positions, you cannot force someone to stay if they say they quit. And usually, you can't or don't charge them for the privilege of quitting because it taints your brand and image, making you look like a dick and other people hesitant to work with you. People quit companies all the time in skating. Do you think every single one of them has waited for their contract to expire or had to pay a lot of money because of it? In fact, the only similar move I can remember is when Shane was supposed to leave Nike for DC and they threatened to sue him over it. So I guess congrats to Jamie--he's at Nike's level (assuming this is true).
Oh, and the Grant leaving AWS thing didn't go down the way you described. He was set to quit AWS and told them he was jumping to Anti-Hero so AWS talked to Grant and Deluxe and asked them if they could keep it under wraps because they had just printed a bunch of boards and they needed them to sell. So all three parties reached a deal so that AWS wasn't out a shitload of money. They didn't try to force him to buy out his contract if he left early.
You're right that it's shady to make a long contract with a young kid who's excited to get any money and free products, in all the other sports there are regulations on the lenghts and minimum salaries in the contracts of young upcoming dudes. But then again I can see why Jamie would try to keep him on as long as possible. Kind of shitty for Trevor to leave along time sponsor right when he's starting to get popular. If he had stayed a little while longer, he could have really put Mystery on the map again, and I don't see how the board sponsor would affect a pros everyday life in any way. I think a little compensation is reasonable in this case, even if it's a pretty dicky move from Jamie
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
For someone with all the business "acumen" youre pretty wrong about that one. no name bench warmers dont get paid shit. They get traded and dropped all the time, all the while making a couple grand a month.
I am correct, I should have clarified myself better though. You may be overestimating what pro skaters actually make. Compare it to some of the pros that people like on here that dont participate in street league mountain dew shit. That couple grand a month that the ball player gets is actually more than what a board sponsor will give riders. Do you know what chocolate gives gino as a salary to be on their team? Zero dollars a year. They give him no salary. Your average bench jockey is getting a better salary from their team.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
For someone with all the business "acumen" youre pretty wrong about that one. no name bench warmers dont get paid shit. They get traded and dropped all the time, all the while making a couple grand a month.
I am correct, I should have clarified myself better though. You may be overestimating what pro skaters actually make. Compare it to some of the pros that people like on here that dont participate in street league mountain dew shit. That couple grand a month that the ball player gets is actually more than what a board sponsor will give riders. Do you know what chocolate gives gino as a salary to be on their team? Zero dollars a year. They give him no salary. Your average bench jockey is getting a better salary from their team.
even good nba players don't make shit. Nick Young only gets 1.2 mil and he averages 18 a game as a bench player. but even the lowest player in the nba making league minimum is bringing home at least 500k a year and thats definitely more than 70-80 percent of pro skateboarders
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
For someone with all the business "acumen" youre pretty wrong about that one. no name bench warmers dont get paid shit. They get traded and dropped all the time, all the while making a couple grand a month.
I am correct, I should have clarified myself better though. You may be overestimating what pro skaters actually make. Compare it to some of the pros that people like on here that dont participate in street league mountain dew shit. That couple grand a month that the ball player gets is actually more than what a board sponsor will give riders. Do you know what chocolate gives gino as a salary to be on their team? Zero dollars a year. They give him no salary. Your average bench jockey is getting a better salary from their team.
even good nba players don't make shit. Nick Young only gets 1.2 mil and he averages 18 a game as a bench player. but even the lowest player in the nba making league minimum is bringing home at least 500k a year and thats definitely more than 70-80 percent of pro skateboarders
More like 99% + of pro skateboarders. The comparison I made was comparing what a basketball team gives its bencher and what a deck sponsor gives its rider, but even most skaters with big company pro model shoe contracts, energy drink sponsors , etc on top of what the board sponsor pays don't make 500k a year, even if they have a stake in the ownership of the company. Less than one percent of professional skateboarders will earn a million dollars throughout their lifetime as a pro.
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It's strange to see other athletes like Amare Stoudemire make 20 000 000 per year, yet skateboarding legend Trevor Colden is sweating over 30 dimes.
You realize basketball stars generate way more money with millions more fans than skateboarders right? Even no name bench warmer are doing better than what we consider to be top tier skaters.
For someone with all the business "acumen" youre pretty wrong about that one. no name bench warmers dont get paid shit. They get traded and dropped all the time, all the while making a couple grand a month.
I am correct, I should have clarified myself better though. You may be overestimating what pro skaters actually make. Compare it to some of the pros that people like on here that dont participate in street league mountain dew shit. That couple grand a month that the ball player gets is actually more than what a board sponsor will give riders. Do you know what chocolate gives gino as a salary to be on their team? Zero dollars a year. They give him no salary. Your average bench jockey is getting a better salary from their team.
even good nba players don't make shit. Nick Young only gets 1.2 mil and he averages 18 a game as a bench player. but even the lowest player in the nba making league minimum is bringing home at least 500k a year and thats definitely more than 70-80 percent of pro skateboarders
More like 99% + of pro skateboarders. The comparison I made was comparing what a basketball team gives its bencher and what a deck sponsor gives its rider, but even most skaters with big company pro model shoe contracts, energy drink sponsors , etc on top of what the board sponsor pays don't make 500k a year, even if they have a stake in the ownership of the company. Less than one percent of professional skateboarders will earn a million dollars throughout their lifetime as a pro.
yeah your right that 70-80% i was being generous and was only thinking of street leaguers and people like a reynolds rowley etc that easily make 100k or more a year
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I think Colden told me that his contract was over in 2015, he also told me that Kyle Frederick who rides for mystery only gets paid $100 a month >:(
my point only is this. those contracts were put in front of them, and they weren't forced to sign them. thats why they call them CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Someone offers you a contract, you READ it, see which terms you don't agree with and you counter. If Trevor signed a contract that kept him at Black Box until 2015, it means he AGREED to the terms. Same with Kyle. The thing is, these dudes are skateboarders that have NEVER made money from skateboarding, so if anyone offers them anything, they're pretty quick to take it.
Did Jamie take advantage of their naivety? Possibly. But the point is they weren't forced to do anything they didn't want to do.
And I stand by my point that it's BULLSHIT that Jamie tried to grease Nike for the money to buy out Colden's contract. He's not stupid, and knows how the industry works.
Yes man, I agree with you that Trevor probably should have read his contract better, but when you're a kid exciting to be talking to a legend with no idea how the skate industry works or how willing people are to fuck you over, then I also understand why you wouldn't think about it like a seasoned business vet. Secondly, it's well-known that the skate world, especially skater-owned companies, really frown on people bringing in agents and lawyers. I remember an interview with PRod when he got on Nike where he said he got an agent to go into negotiations with him but he would never do that with Girl (for example). I'm not sure if that has changed but that's a well-respected money maker saying this. Do you think a (at the time) no name kid would have survived in skating if he lawyered up right away? They'd probably be like, "Who the fuck does he think he is?" and since all it takes is pissing off one person, he could easily be screwed for some time.
Aside from that, people leave from their contracts all the time. If someone wants to quit or is blatantly talking shit on your company, why would you want them around? This happens all the time in the business world and it's called "grounds for firing." Then, you don't have to pay them anymore and in most positions, you cannot force someone to stay if they say they quit. And usually, you can't or don't charge them for the privilege of quitting because it taints your brand and image, making you look like a dick and other people hesitant to work with you. People quit companies all the time in skating. Do you think every single one of them has waited for their contract to expire or had to pay a lot of money because of it? In fact, the only similar move I can remember is when Shane was supposed to leave Nike for DC and they threatened to sue him over it. So I guess congrats to Jamie--he's at Nike's level (assuming this is true).
Oh, and the Grant leaving AWS thing didn't go down the way you described. He was set to quit AWS and told them he was jumping to Anti-Hero so AWS talked to Grant and Deluxe and asked them if they could keep it under wraps because they had just printed a bunch of boards and they needed them to sell. So all three parties reached a deal so that AWS wasn't out a shitload of money. They didn't try to force him to buy out his contract if he left early.
You want to know why skater owned companies don't like lawyers and agents coming in and negotiating on behalf of the riders? A couple of reasons really. For one, they are not as good with business as corporate companies that report to shareholders and deadlines, so if something messes up on the companies end and the skater tries to hold them to their contractual agreement its easier for them to keep it under wraps in their favor. So now that we've established that skateboard companies aren't great at business, this leads to the other reason, and that is that skater owned companies are notoriously known for not taking care of people and historically don't offer the amount of money and incentives that the skater is worth, and on top of that they're used to these skateboarders excepting these low ball terms and conditions. They can't persuade/ trick/ bully a rider into a shitty contract as easily if the skateboarder has adequate representation. It's the skaters fault if they let a company intimidate them into accepting an offer without consulting a professional second opinion.
For your second point, skaters do not just up and leave contracts before their release date all the time. The reason why you see some skaters drop companies and pick up new companies is because they never had a contract, so nothing was legally binding them to the company for a specific amount of time to begin with.
The reason why a company would want to keep a rider under contract even if the rider wants to quit is because the company wants to see a return on their investment for all the money they gave to the skater to push their company. Skaters are paid salaries and sign on bonuses because the company expects to make a lot more money than what they paid the rider through selling things with their name on it. If a company gave a skater thousands of dollars and the rider wanted to back out before profits from that rider were realized, companies would go out of business. Your concept of employment is much different from sports contracts, which is what skateboarding most resembles in today day and age. So the rider wants to leave after getting a sign on bonus, a salary, free product etc, before the company made any real money off of their investment in the company. That's where contract buy outs come from, because the company needs to recoup their losses from the rider not holding up their contractual agreement. If someone wants out of a contract before their time is up, they either wait it out or put up money to get out of it. That way the company doesn't take a major financial hit from the rider backing out. Take p rod and the spray painted boards he was riding, it was clear to people like us that follow skating closely that he wasn't feeling plan b anymore, but most people don't realize that. The average street league viewer doesn't know that p rod hates plan b, all they see is p rod skating on tv and his pro model board hanging up in zumies, which they'll buy without hesitation. Even if p rod was on social media shit talking plan b, these little groms would never know and support plan b regardless. The reason p rod didn't just leave? Plan b paid him one of the heftier sign on bonuses and salaries in the industry for a deck sponsor, and it was too much money for him to see a fiscal gain from paying what they needed to get him out of the contract. It was financially better for him to just wait it out and not sign a new contract when it was time for renewal.
Another good example is Brian wenning, since you brought up aws. When he left habitat, he did so when he wanted without penalty because he was not under contract, it was all on a hand shake. Carter warned him about going to plan b because skating for a board company under contract restricts your options for mobility between companies. He ended up signing that plan b contract, and then realized they weren't pushing his name as he wanted. He wanted to get out way earlier than he did, but the money he would have had to pony up to get out was beyond his means. They continued to make money using his name and likeness while he wanted to go back to habitat. The only reason why you can only recall share o neills dilemma between dc and Nike is because it isn't advantageous to the skater or the company to put it out in the open. Wenning only let his story out after he started lockdown.
Grants situation is different since he wasn't dealing with contract hound companies like plan b or zero/ mystery. His deal had flexibility, and fortunately for aws they tend to not fuck ppl over so they get the same kind of respect from like minded companies. Had it been grant wanting to leave plan b for anti hero, the story would have sounded just like trevor coldens.
Jamie is a good business man who knows how to trim fat from his companies so he doesn't take a hard hitting financial loss. No companies, skate related or otherwise, offer team players contracts that benefit the team mate more than the company offering the contract.
Edit: I also want to clarify that some companies will pay riders an advance, meaning the company pays the rider money before they actually earn it with the intention of making it back over the time period that the contract specifies. That way if a company pays a rider money that the rider hasn't generated through endorsing the brand, and that rider wants to jump ship before the company sees a return from what they paid, the buy out for the rider to leave will recoup some of that loss.
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You really are just a horrible poster. You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. Also, your Wenning story was only half right. He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. He didn't just wait for his context to run out. Same with PRod. He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
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You really are just a horrible poster. You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. Also, your Wenning story was only half right. He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. He didn't just wait for his context to run out. Same with PRod. He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
Lets not forget that Paul (who is highly respected within the skateboard industry) ONLY told Danny and Colin that he was quitting when they SAW HIM riding other boards in a contest and called him out on it. To me, that's kind of shitty. What I don't understand is...Why continue to put on the appearance of being part of a brand when you CLEARLY have something else going on? And why not just be straight and say you're done?
on another note, here's the Trevor interview with the story...
http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/ (http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/)
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You really are just a horrible poster. You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. Also, your Wenning story was only half right. He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. He didn't just wait for his context to run out. Same with PRod. He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
Chill with the emotions, I just wrote most of that in case someone came on here and didn't understand how shit works. I know you didn't say it wasn't a smart move to discuss contracts without a lawyer, you just stated that companies make ppl feel weird if they try to.do so and I built upon that.
I know he was an am while on mystery, but you're forgetting that pro and am are only terms that the skateboard industry made up. In the eyes of the law he is a professional since he is getting paid for his job.
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I also said wennings name wasn't being used as he wanted it to and plan b continued to make money off of him. And that they capitalized off his likeness. He wanted to quit for a while. Also, he didn't exactly choose when they dropped him, he went to prison and they dropped him.
P rod wanted to leave plan b for a.year before he did, he.didn't just up and quit. Like you're saying he did. He had to sit on the idea of quitting for a while before he was actually able to.
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so is motta off skate mental or naw
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can we just change the name of the thread? ever since i posted the trev board insta and mj comment the last two and half pages been about trev
so is motta off skate mental or naw
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You really are just a horrible poster. You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. Also, your Wenning story was only half right. He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. He didn't just wait for his context to run out. Same with PRod. He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
Lets not forget that Paul (who is highly respected within the skateboard industry) ONLY told Danny and Colin that he was quitting when they SAW HIM riding other boards in a contest and called him out on it. To me, that's kind of shitty. What I don't understand is...Why continue to put on the appearance of being part of a brand when you CLEARLY have something else going on? And why not just be straight and say you're done?
on another note, here's the Trevor interview with the story...
http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/ (http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/)
I agree that Paul shouldn't have waited to get called out on it. That just wasn't important to the point I was making.
Aidan: sorry, took your explanation the wrong way. Whether or not Paul thought about leaving for a year is irrelevant to my point. I was saying he was able to leave after being asked about it, he didn't have to wait for his contract to run out before he left. Maybe he did before announcing Primitive, but that's a different matter.
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can we just change the name of the thread? ever since i posted the trev board insta and mj comment the last two and half pages been about trev
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so is motta off skate mental or naw
You know how many threads wed have to change? That richie jackson thred would be turned into jesus came inside sierra fellers too.
What happened to Matt beach again?
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You really are just a horrible poster. �You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. �For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. �All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. �Also, your Wenning story was only half right. �He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. �He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. �He didn't just wait for his context to run out. �Same with PRod. �He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. �Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. �For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. �Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. �That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
Lets not forget that Paul (who is highly respected within the skateboard industry) ONLY told Danny and Colin that he was quitting when they SAW HIM riding other boards in a contest and called him out on it. �To me, that's kind of shitty. �What I don't understand is...Why continue to put on the appearance of being part of a brand when you CLEARLY have something else going on? �And why not just be straight and say you're done?
on another note, here's the Trevor interview with the story...
http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/ (http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/)
I agree that Paul shouldn't have waited to get called out on it.� That just wasn't important to the point I was making.
Aidan: sorry, took your explanation the wrong way.� Whether or not Paul thought about leaving for a year is irrelevant to my point.� I was saying he was able to leave after being asked about it, he didn't have to wait for his contract to run out before he left.� Maybe he did before announcing Primitive, but that's a different matter.
Ofcourse he had to wait until the contract was over, or maybe Danny and Colin were nice enough to not sue him for a contract violation. The point of a contract is that the company can't kick you of without a good reason, and that the skater can't leave all the sudden without a good reason.
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You really are just a horrible poster. �You act as though I don't know anything about businesses or endorsements or investing in people, or why the skate industry does it's fucked up practices. �For example, no where did I say it was a smart move to not have a lawyer read a contract. �All I did was state potential reasons why one wouldn't bring in a lawyer to the first person interested in sponsoring them. �Also, your Wenning story was only half right. �He didn't say he was going to leave because they weren't getting his name out there. �He said Plan B licensed his name to Tech Decks and he wasn't getting paid for that, nor was he receiving his other checks and that was why he QUIT. �He didn't just wait for his context to run out. �Same with PRod. �He said he stopped riding Plan B boards and then told Colin and Danny he quit. �Sure, maybe he didn't start Primitive for some time because of a non-compete clause or whatever, but he certainly didn't just ride out his contract. �For as many people who have come out and said that they didn't resign or renew a contract, there are just as many people who do just quit, leave, or get dropped from a brand at any time. �Most contracts have a clause like that in there.
Regardless, you have to remember that Trevor was also an am for his entire time on Mystery. �That's a completely different situation than a pro contract and I doubt that an am was signed to a contract that would require a $15K-$45K buy out.
Lets not forget that Paul (who is highly respected within the skateboard industry) ONLY told Danny and Colin that he was quitting when they SAW HIM riding other boards in a contest and called him out on it. �To me, that's kind of shitty. �What I don't understand is...Why continue to put on the appearance of being part of a brand when you CLEARLY have something else going on? �And why not just be straight and say you're done?
on another note, here's the Trevor interview with the story...
http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/ (http://thrashermagazine.com/articles/trevor-colden-interview-sm/)
I agree that Paul shouldn't have waited to get called out on it.� That just wasn't important to the point I was making.
Aidan: sorry, took your explanation the wrong way.� Whether or not Paul thought about leaving for a year is irrelevant to my point.� I was saying he was able to leave after being asked about it, he didn't have to wait for his contract to run out before he left.� Maybe he did before announcing Primitive, but that's a different matter.
Ofcourse he had to wait until the contract was over, or maybe Danny and Colin were nice enough to not sue him for a contract violation. The point of a contract is that the company can't kick you of without a good reason, and that the skater can't leave all the sudden without a good reason.
i like slap
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Motta would good on Krooked
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Motta would good on Krooked
typical...
from now on ''original'' dudes should be on 3D
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back to things that matter. anyone remember that interview where Motta talks about waking up and seeing aliens in his living room?
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back to things that matter. anyone remember that interview where Motta talks about waking up and seeing aliens in his living room?
i remember, such a insanely weird interview, talking about government conspiracies and shit
wish i had it though
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Motta's Easter Egg part was much better than Colden's new part. Why is this kid (Colden) being promoted/pushed so hard? Kid is vanilla as can be. Mystery is the worst.
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More like 99% + of pro skateboarders. The comparison I made was comparing what a basketball team gives its bencher and what a deck sponsor gives its rider, but even most skaters with big company pro model shoe contracts, energy drink sponsors , etc on top of what the board sponsor pays don't make 500k a year, even if they have a stake in the ownership of the company. Less than one percent of professional skateboarders will earn a million dollars throughout their lifetime as a pro.
Whilst I would agree the money is probably pretty sad for a lot, I'm going to call bullshit on the 1% making less than $1M in their career.
For arguments sake lets say there is legit 500 pro skaters to be generous, I'm including Todd Falcon in that number. You think no more than 5 would average $100K a year for 10 years, I would be surprised if 5 of them aren't making over 1 million a year, PRod, Nyjah, Koston, Cole, maybe Janoski.
Then you would have the next tier of guys like Malto, Mo, O'neil, Busenitz, Piug, Reynolds, Theotis basically anyone with a energy drink or Nike, Adidas, DC or Vans should easily make over one million in their career. Add in some vert/old/kooky dudes like Luska, D Way, Bob etc and 1% looks just bullshit.
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Motta and Matt Beach were the only reasons I'd buy a skate mental board. Well there goes their opportunity to get my hard earned blood money
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Subtle jab at Jamie Thomas' new raw juice company, maybe?
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Subtle jab at Jamie Thomas' new raw juice company, maybe?
http://www.rawrlife.com/ (http://www.rawrlife.com/)
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Motta's Easter Egg part was much better than Colden's new part. Why is this kid (Colden) being promoted/pushed so hard? Kid is vanilla as can be. Mystery is the worst.
Because he's as vanilla as could be so a lot of people will buy his board. That's why he's getting pushed so hard.
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is vanilla an insult?
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is vanilla an insult?
No, vanilla is a bean.