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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: Wizard Fight on November 28, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
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Coming next week:
http://www.instagram.com/p/-kln4HIPaC/?taken-by=epiclylaterd (http://www.instagram.com/p/-kln4HIPaC/?taken-by=epiclylaterd)
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;D
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Hell yes. He has such a story to tell! I just hope the episodes are in depth like the Kakis ones.
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Khakis
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I'll be watching that one for sure.
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one of my all time fovourites! looking forward!!
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Fuck this guy
He killed his fuckin friend
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the kid signed his own shit.. I'd say the same about you old man epic if you got on the back of a scooter being driven by someone off their fucking face. (btw downer comment there dude.)
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the kid signed his own shit.. I'd say the same about you old man epic if you got on the back of a scooter being driven by someone off their fucking face. (btw downer comment there dude.)
Yeah sure, responsibility goes mainly to the driver.
Shane was fuckin stupid too
Only in skateboarding can you be a legend, and be a fucking killing alcoholic at the same time
Fuck ali. Hes a piece of shit
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the kid signed his own shit.. I'd say the same about you old man epic if you got on the back of a scooter being driven by someone off their fucking face. (btw downer comment there dude.)
Yeah sure, responsibility goes mainly to the driver.
Shane was fuckin stupid too
Only in skateboarding can you be a legend, and be a fucking killing alcoholic at the same time
Fuck ali. Hes a piece of shit
Bob Marley & the Wailers - Positive Vibration (live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmaAp0K9W-o#)
one love - positive energy - lets get it
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the kid signed his own shit.. I'd say the same about you old man epic if you got on the back of a scooter being driven by someone off their fucking face. (btw downer comment there dude.)
Yeah sure, responsibility goes mainly to the driver.
Shane was fuckin stupid too
Only in skateboarding can you be a legend, and be a fucking killing alcoholic at the same time
Fuck ali. Hes a piece of shit
You sound like a great person old man. Have you ever heard of forgiveness? It's a noble quality to have and shows great strength and maturity in a person. Do you think Ali intentionally "killed" his friend? I'm not condoning what happened but we all make mistakes in life and it's people like you who perpetuate the problem by being uncompassionate imbeciles. You'll find you can live a much happier life if you learn to let go of grudges, especially for people you don't even know. But I'm sure you've never made a terrible decision in your life that has had drastic consequences right? One can only hope that when you do( and you will if you already haven't), the people close to you will be a little wiser than you are and still extend their love.
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Old Man, you're bumming people out pretty bad.
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Fuck this guy
He killed his fuckin friend
Nearly 'killed' himself too.
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Old Man, you're bumming people out pretty bad.
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OldManSeptic
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For the sake of attitudes expressed here, it should be very interesting to see how Ali is now and how the accident changed him forever.
They touched on the situation in Arto's EL but will be more in depth I am sure.
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Just a bad night fellas
My apologies
Ill remove my tampon now
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lol for an old man u sound like u have zero life experience but what can u expect from internet commenters
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Always a big fan of Ali, this should be very interesting
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lol for an old man u sound like u have zero life experience but what can u expect from internet commenters
Does having friends and family members killed by drunk drivers count as "experience"?
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lol for an old man u sound like u have zero life experience but what can u expect from internet commenters
Does having friends and family members killed by drunk drivers count as "experience"?
only if the drunks were on mopeds/motor scooters. otherwise you're out of your depth.
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oldmanepic is like 100 posts deep and is actually one of the worst slap posters in recent history
aaaaaaand ... he's gone
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I really want to see that. It's strange to imagine that the most info about his current health state that can be found online is some Swedish sob story TV show. I really wonder how he's doing, I wonder if he's still able to cruise around and shit. Boulala was one of a kind.
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Boulala should've never been pro. That being said I loved that dude when I was younger.
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This is a tragedy, quite obviously. But simply calling this guy a murderer - which he is not - is unhelpful. Shane's death was terrible but he decided to get on that scooter with an obviously intoxicated Boulala. I've gotten in cars with people who were intoxicated before and its a huge mistake which I do not wish to repeat. I've also driven while intoxicated, something I've done rarely and have no pride in.
The point is that most adult posters here have (1) driven drunk or (2) elected to get in a car with someone who is drunk. Both are mistakes. The loss of Shane is horrible to everyone, especially his family. Ali served his time and lives with the scars of the experience both figuratively and literally. No one is blameless in these situations. Let the man tell his story and stop castigating him with the charge of murderer - a charge he was not given, bears no resemblance his actual crime (culpable driving), and just seeks to sensationalize a real sad story for all involved, including Ali.
I'm guessing most people on here have gotten in a car with a person who is intoxicated or has driven a car or vehicle under the influence. If so, cut your bullshit. This is a sad story, and Ali knows more about its grief than you do. So please watch the epicly laterd or dont. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
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His situation is most definitely unfortunate. Not going to blame him entirely, I guess. Yes he chose to get intoxicated, but he had no idea what was about to happen (some will argue he should've been totally cognizant of what would've happened- I guess I can't really disagree with them). I guess it's just a part of being a substance engaged euro brah living the alternative lifestyle, e.g. in terms of skating, (at least IMO) Boulala was at the top of the game during the Sorry era. From the interviews I've seen with him it seems like he's matured to an extent and whitnawt.
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Boulala should've never been pro. That being said I loved that dude when I was younger.
That's crazy talk. Dude's kit was positively weak and embarrassing, that pretty much goes without saying, but his skating is absolutely undeniable.
Plus he graced the universe with "My Hass Is Out".
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oldmanepic is like 100 posts deep and is actually one of the worst slap posters in recent history
aaaaaaand ... he's gone
better to burn out than to fade away
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My father was walking on the sidewalk ( AGAIN WALKING ON A SIDEWALK ) and a drunk drive jump the curb went onto the sidewalk and hit him. My dad did survive after about a year in hospital. The women drunk driver did not take any responsibility for her actions and fought it as hard as she could, she came from money and hired the best layers to get out of the situation ( she got a slap of the wrist ).
Ali took full responsibility and did not fight any of the charges, I was in Melbourne living before he was incarcerated and got a chance to see him at a neckface art show, he was struggling physically, and i can only imagine mentally as well. Talking to people who know him in the weeks/months that followed I was told that a lot of Shane's family and friends didn't want Boulala to go to jail but again he wanted to except his punishment for this tragedy.
Seeing and reading what he post on Insta and his blog about living a sober life and knowing/excepting that he was/is an addict shows that yes, it took a tragic event that ended one persons life, but at least the person who did take full responsibility for this event is never going to have this happen again and works everyday to never be the chemical dependent addict he once was.
I bet the Women who hit my dad never thinks while she's out for drink how hard it is for my father to do something as simple as go for a walk.
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Boulala should've never been pro. That being said I loved that dude when I was younger.
Shouldn't have been pro? pfft get over yourself. In addition to ripping on a board (dude kickflipped and switch ollied a 15 stair in the mid 90's when he was around 16 y.o) he has been one of the most marketable skaters in history. Not making him pro would have been a most colossal fuck up.
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Calling Ali a murderer is lame and I'm sure not what Shane or his family would want.
Ali almost died himself. A stupid accident but a similar situation many of us have been in and survived it.
Stoked to see his EL. Should be interesting.
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I for one am glad we are getting an Ali later'd. Also, I hate the title of the show.
Ali showed class in accepting the charges and the fact that Shane's family didn't press for a harsh sentence or different charges shows that they knew what he was like and acknowledge the fact that he was at least somewhat culpable in his decisions on the day in question.
I think we can all agree it was a horrific incident and one that will not be forgotten easily, one young man's life was taken away and another's was changed irreversibly (partially for the good but mostly in a negative way given the mental and physical trauma. not to mention the fact that he can no longer continue his profession).
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They were both in the wrong. But like other people said on here, Ali faced the consequences and took full responsibility for his actions. It's such a heavy situation, but the best and only thing Ali can do from this point on is to just accept it and move on with his life. From now on, instead of focusing on the negative about it, we should all just remember how great of a person/ skater Shane was and know that he is in a good, safe place right now.
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At least after all these years of seeing him drinking in vids, the guy is actually sober.
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Noone else in history stuck a 25 stair Ollie. The Lyon spot is sacred, if anyone lands it they are an asshole
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oldmanepic is like 100 posts deep and is actually one of the worst slap posters in recent history
aaaaaaand ... he's gone
better to burn out than to fade away
Hey, Hey, My, My.
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This will be heavy.
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Ali and Shane were great mates. Ali has paid for his actions in more ways than any of us will ever know.. On a positive note, ive wanted an Ali episode forever! Can't wait for this to drop. The guy that said he's one of the most marketable skaters ever is dead right, Ali might not have been the most skilled skater ever, but he charged and looked original while doing it. Can anyone truly watch his Sorry part and not get hyped?
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"not the most skilled" I dont know who is the most skilled is but it seems like people are trying to paint some weird picture where Ali wasnt that good. Thats not what I remember.
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"not the most skilled" I dont know who is the most skilled is but it seems like people are trying to paint some weird picture where Ali wasnt that good. Thats not what I remember.
not only was he real wicked fucking good but am i the only one who remembers that interview where he stated that he started skating as a regular foot then he quit and when he came back to skating at the behest of a friend, an older cousin or whoever, he was passing himself off as a goofy foot. had me tricked.
i wasn't there but the way i understood it was he juts cruised and bombed hills in the buffalo stance and all the tricks came later as a goofy boy.
anyone else remember that bit of trivia?
not much of a story but once upon a time i was on a payphone on stanyan st in sf [i think that's the name of the end of haight st by golden gate park?] and i'm talking to my friend's memere [rip memere] and just then ali boulala walks by in a flip shirt w/ all black tight pants and some kinda coat w/ a girl on each arm. i'm like 'hold on a second' and just kinda marveled at the spectacle then was like 'hey i'm sorry to hear about all your complaints but can you put rob on the phone?'
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"not the most skilled" I dont know who is the most skilled is but it seems like people are trying to paint some weird picture where Ali wasnt that good. Thats not what I remember.
I think some people thought his style was a little "too sketchy" to appreciate and maybe some might thought his choice of fashion was a little distracting but those were the things I really liked about him. He's truly one of a kind and anyone who was in the original sorry video is a legend in my book. That switch ollie he did down that 14 stair in his really sorry part is gold.
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"not the most skilled" I dont know who is the most skilled is but it seems like people are trying to paint some weird picture where Ali wasnt that good. Thats not what I remember.
i wasn't there but the way i understood it was he juts cruised and bombed hills in the buffalo stance and all the tricks came later as a goofy boy.
anyone else remember that bit of trivia?
not much of a story but once upon a time i was on a payphone on stanyan st in sf [i think that's the name of the end of haight st by golden gate park?] and i'm talking to my friend's memere [rip memere] and just then ali boulala walks by in a flip shirt w/ all black tight pants and some kinda coat w/ a girl on each arm. i'm like 'hold on a second' and just kinda marveled at the spectacle then was like 'hey i'm sorry to hear about all your complaints but can you put rob on the phone?'
I remember reading that ( or a version of it ) in his TWS check out back in...hmmm 96 i think it was as i remember being in grand 9 and having the mag at high school.
I Don't think this was posted on Slap, if you don't mind subtitles give it a watch...nice little warm up to his epicly episode.
Ali Boulala: "Jag ville bara flyga..."/ "I just wanted to fly on my skateboard" (English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrY-7Lo1cg#)
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http://www.vice.com/video/ali-boulala-grew-up-a-skate-rat-in-sweden-part-1 (http://www.vice.com/video/ali-boulala-grew-up-a-skate-rat-in-sweden-part-1)
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Wish Ali all the best. I couldn't imagine what it's like to have to live with all that. I'm starting to wonder if Dustin Dollin will ever wise up a little. He starting to look fucking rough as shit for as young as he is.
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This one killed me
"Fast forward to a year or so ago. I posted a photo on my Instagram of Stevie Williams, where Stevie said "I want to do an episode your show, but I don't want any of that depressing bullshit..." Ali Boulala commented on the photo, "I'll do an episode, but I'm sure it will be all depressing."
Also Dollin casually drinking beer while talking about Ali...
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him trying to skate again was fucking heartbreaking - guy lost fucking everything. maybe one of the stronger sk8-docu redemption stories (duane peters you are not shit). ali was definitely one of my favorite skaters growing up, considering sorry/really sorry dvd and subject to change were my first videos. also really crazy to think he hasnt been in the states since 99 maybe? never realized... kind of shocked to hear tbat
did the dustin dollin stuff seem slightly in bad taste?
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that was extremely moving, and i'm so glad that he's sober and has some semblance of positivity.
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That was great. Ali was my favorite when I was starting out, I even bought a few pairs of his Osiris shoe just because it was his. It makes me happy that he's found sobriety and accepted what happened. I couldn't imagine living with that guilt, but it's inspiring to know that he can carry on with his life and take accountability for his actions. The honesty about drug use (especially the "crack, it was crack" aside in the drug buying story) was refreshing. I like that this was just a no bullshit, in depth look at Ali's life, like Epicly Later'd should be.
not editing out Dustin sipping his beer after him saying "that's the thing with drunk driving" or whatever was powerful.
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The most powerful film about a person I have ever seen. I wont lie, I cried when he talked about the accident and at the end when you see him push. Patrick you made one of the greatest documentaries on a person I have ever seen.
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Wow, amazing episode. Thank you Pat!
I am kinda surprised that they didn't blur out the youtube names of those comments.
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captivating.
well done.
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This is a tremendous story. It's refreshing to hear a perspective that is something besides "Fuck Ali". I hope all is well with him, and I hope he can motivate other people to rid their addictions.
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Wow.
That kind of took the wind out of me. What a heartbreaking story. I hope for nothing but the best for him and his continued sobriety and that each day is a bit easier for him.
The narrative had deep content. Didn't anticipate it striking a cord at all but it did. Never really understood this man's deal, but as I hear him speak now I wish the best for him on his sobriety.
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him trying to skate again was fucking heartbreaking - guy lost fucking everything. maybe one of the stronger sk8-docu redemption stories (duane peters you are not shit). ali was definitely one of my favorite skaters growing up, considering sorry/really sorry dvd and subject to change were my first videos. also really crazy to think he hasnt been in the states since 99 maybe? never realized... kind of shocked to hear tbat
did the dustin dollin stuff seem slightly in bad taste?
I do remember seeing him in the Flip Feast tour videos and that was around 05-07, and it was in the US. Maybe he forgot about that?
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This as completely changed the mood of my day. Once again, a wonderful job done by Mr. O'dell and a big thank you for Ali to opening himself to the public. This episode is tied with the Card's one IMHO !
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To see where this show has gone from the humble beginning is truly amazing. What an incredible piece of work that was.
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That was moving. I hope it puts to shame the childish nonsense that went on earlier in this thread about Ali never deserving forgiveness.
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All of the best to Ali.
Honesty in the face of tragedy, particularly something avoidable, is such an incredible thing to behold.
A large percentage of people are simply lucky that they haven't hurt or killed a loved one or stranger because of a stupid decision they've made. Ali was extremely unlucky.
Thanks for this Pat. Wonderful work.
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I was a huge fan of both Ali and Shane and still remember how bummed I was when I found out about their accident. Watching this and seeing the face of this tragedy makes it all the more heartbreaking. Even though there it's hard to get a happy ending from this, I'm glad to get some closure and I'm glad to see Ali doing well on his own.
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
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That was one of the heaviest things I've watched in a long time.
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^^^^Yeah, the youtube comments shown really should hit close to home with people on this board. I am glad they touched on that though. Not advocating either or side but it's just one of those things that come with the territory of this generation and how we love to voice our opinions on social media.
A couple of things I noticed.....this had a heavy soundtrack to it in the sense of the mood it provokes. I think I read it somewhere on here but I think it was Cardiel?....that Patrick actually added a background soundtrack that was provided for the other episodes. The whole thing just felt sad from the get go which of course is what they were going for. Also I noticed the visuals being a lot better for this one as well just from the angles and compositions of just Ali walking. It just felt a lot more professional. And the thing that made me the saddest was seeing him skate at the end. Just seeing people I've idolized as pros go from the best to not even knowing how to skate at all. That was a total bummer.
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Probably the only episode that's really resonated with me that much since Cardiel.
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i hope dustin doesnt get sober lol, talkin bout drinkin and driving then sips beer hahaha fuck
ali was a hood child favorite
great series happy that release these on same day now
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damn that was heavy...
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first. But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.
I almost cried when watching Ali attempt a kickflip :'(.
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Wow, amazing episode. Thank you Pat!
I am kinda surprised that they didn't blur out the youtube names of those comments.
Yeah same, i'm pretty stoked about that though.
Fucking great documentary. A+.....
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kind of overwhelmed after that, don't even know what to say, I hope making this film and getting it out there helps him let go of some of the pain, he doesn't deserve to feel that way. Not sure if he would ever lurk SLAP, but if you see this somehow, I wish you all the best.
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Wow, amazing episode. Thank you Pat!
I am kinda surprised that they didn't blur out the youtube names of those comments.
Yeah same, i'm pretty stoked about that though.
Fucking great documentary. A+.....
Yeah I like that he exposed all of them like that..but I wonder if he is legally allowed to do that?
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first. But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.
I almost cried when watching Ali attempt a kickflip :'(.
In regards to Dustin, it looks like they interviewed him the same day talking about Spanky as well. I am sure all these guys had prior conversations before getting into the hectic stuff.
Sorry was one of the first videos I've seen that met the hype. I kind of wanted more interviews by the OG Flip guys like Arto, Appleyard and Bastien.
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Wow, amazing episode. Thank you Pat!
I am kinda surprised that they didn't blur out the youtube names of those comments.
Yeah same, i'm pretty stoked about that though.
Fucking great documentary. A+.....
Yeah I like that he exposed all of them like that..but I wonder if he is legally allowed to do that?
It's not the first time that I see someone doing something similar, I wouldn't surprised if youtube specifically mentions that anyone can quote a post made by a youtuber.
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first. But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.
I almost cried when watching Ali attempt a kickflip :'(.
In regards to Dustin, it looks like they interviewed him the same day talking about Spanky as well. I am sure all these guys had prior conversations before getting into the hectic stuff.
Sorry was one of the first videos I've seen that met the hype. I kind of wanted more interviews by the OG Flip guys like Arto, Appleyard and Bastien.
Me too but I can't imagine all the hassle it would mean to get a hold of everyone, Tom Penny impression on a young 16 years old Ali clone would of been gold !
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Not being flippant but it was the kickflip attempts in part 4 that hit me the most emotionally. I kept hoping he still had skating in some form. That was a punch in gut seeing that.
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first. But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.
I almost cried when watching Ali attempt a kickflip :'(.
In regards to Dustin, it looks like they interviewed him the same day talking about Spanky as well. I am sure all these guys had prior conversations before getting into the hectic stuff.
Sorry was one of the first videos I've seen that met the hype. I kind of wanted more interviews by the OG Flip guys like Arto, Appleyard and Bastien.
Exactly. As for the OG flip dudes, I would have loved to see more of them as well, but I have a strong feeling that Apples and Arto might be bitter towards Ali after all of that, could be wrong though. I am kind of surprised they didn't have Penny in it.
EDIT: Its strange that Alex Chalmers is never mentioned in any of these things with the Flip dudes involved. You'll hear them mentioning Rune, Geoff, Arto etc but never Chalmers..
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Thank you Ali and Pat. This was one of the most meaningful things I've watched that had anything to do with skateboarding.
Keep it up with the sobriety and hopefully you can find more meaning and purpose to this life the more of it you live each day.
It made me hopeful at the end that you're pointed in the right direction as you keep making the effort of taking the right steps out of the darkness.
What happened was really tragic, but it would be a complete tragedy if you never manage to find your way out of the dark.
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That was good shit.
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first. But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.
I almost cried when watching Ali attempt a kickflip :'(.
I took it as him not knowing that side of those guys as well as some of the other interviewees.
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I've never been a fan of Ali or the Pissdrunx/Baker thing, and I wasn't planning on watching this... but i'm super glad i did.
Honestly have a newfound respect for the guy and that was extremely well done, O'Dell should win an award of some kind for this.
All the best luck to Ali in the future (awesome dog, too).
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oldmanepic is like 100 posts deep and is actually one of the worst slap posters in recent history
aaaaaaand ... he's gone
better to burn out than to fade away
Hey, Hey, My, My.
man i thought my old account was the worst in recent history, i used to post some dumbass shit.
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Don't let your post count fool you. You're maintaining quality.
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holy shit that was fucking heavy! they could make a 2 hour movie based offa that. in the movie at the end he'll have regained his skating skills but as for a story those sad flip attempts were better. i don't wish that on ali, it's just more dramatic and if episode 3 hadn't been overwhelmingly sad his skating might've made me want to cry.
couple things, oldmanepic focused just in time. humanizing the demonized guy on the youtube video really makes you feel like a piece of shit for blithely [or bitterly] calling ali a killer. or it makes me feel like you're a piece of shit and you prolly should as well.
is it just me or does geoff rowley display inappropriate affect? kind of smiling through some dialogue that doesn't fit well w/ a smile [not to mention his handling of the screwdriver story]. is there a sociopath spectrum? cause i think he might be on it. as a slap pal who gets a nut check i am qualified to hand out diagnoses and i'm the king of inappropriate affect.
dustin didn't have any rock bottom so i don't think he should be expected to quit drinking. if he'd grabbed the wheel after that swig it'd be different but he seems to be the 1 in a 1000 successful drunks but that was definitely an awkward moment.
one of the best ELs, keep it up, odell!
I thought that too at first.� But you never know, maybe before that moment they were talking about a funny story that involved Shane or just something positive about him that just kept a smile on Geoff's face.�
People react to these kind of things differently. Especially after almost a decade. Dude has probably talked about the subject a million times already.
This was one of the most touching documentaries I've seen, and it didn't have any corny overly dramatic bullshit trying to make it seem like anything else than what it was. Hats of to O'dell for making this masterpiece.
Kinda felt like there was some people missing from it, but I guess they wanted to keep the focus mainly on Ali rather than make it a Flip episode.
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Damn. That was sad. I feel like the last time I heard Ali Boulala's name come up was when the whole accident went down. After that it was just: "Shane's dead, Ali's going to jail"
Definitely good to see him at least getting out there and rolling around again. I've definitely been involved with some dumb drunk shit involving skateboarders / partying and am glad no one was ever killed during the process. You don't realize how quickly shit can go bad until it's too late.
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Pure gold. Odell outdid himself with this one. Can't even think of where they could go with another skater after the magnitude of these episodes. Very well done. Nothing but the best for Ali in his future endeavors
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How eerie was that session with Shane, Ali, Lewis Marnell, and Jake Duncombe?
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leaving in the shot of dustin drinking was appropriate. it would be patronizing and insincere to have him acting sober and uber serious. he still drinks and parties. that's who he is and that's the scene ali came out of.
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^^^^Yeah, the youtube comments shown really should hit close to home with people on this board. I am glad they touched on that though. Not advocating either or side but it's just one of those things that come with the territory of this generation and how we love to voice our opinions on social media.
A couple of things I noticed.....this had a heavy soundtrack to it in the sense of the mood it provokes. I think I read it somewhere on here but I think it was Cardiel?....that Patrick actually added a background soundtrack that was provided for the other episodes. The whole thing just felt sad from the get go which of course is what they were going for. Also I noticed the visuals being a lot better for this one as well just from the angles and compositions of just Ali walking. It just felt a lot more professional. And the thing that made me the saddest was seeing him skate at the end. Just seeing people I've idolized as pros go from the best to not even knowing how to skate at all. That was a total bummer.
Naw, him rolling down that hill at the end was awesome. After I haven't skated for a long time i'm rusty as fuck and feel like shit because of the whole "comparison to my former self", but once you get rolling it's the small things that bring back that sense of accomplishment and joy. He doesn't need to be pro again, he just needs to be stoked.
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Don't drink and drive you dumb fucks. How is alcohol even legal let alone marketed, everywhere, to children?
That little "please drink responsibly" small print isn't fucking good enough. They don't give a fuck about you, you can't advertise tobacco anymore why can you still advertise drinking? So ridiculous how alcohol companies do their business, they are pieces of shit I hope they all get cancer.
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That struck way deeper than I think I was ready for, but nevertheless I am really happy to see Ali still has a sense of humor,
(Ex. when he looked at the camera and was like, "crack... it was crack.")
And also that he is a really down to earth smart guy.
But yeah, that was one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever seen for sure.
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Really well done. I was definitely a fan of Ali and the while flip team.
I can't imagine having to deal with the guilt of killing your friend.
That was seriously heavy.
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
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Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
Could be. Could be that seeing a Flip graphic makes him think of his old teammate. It could honestly be anything.
I'm proud of the guy. It sucks that such awfulness had to happen for him to grow and better himself as a person, but at least he did.
I don't think any statement made about this epicly later'd can accurately sum up how beautifully put together it was.
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Man... watched this like 8 hours ago and can't stop thinking about it.
Hard lessons. Heavy shit.
It's also cool to see someone own up to his shit and take a path toward redemption without religion.
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Wow, amazing episode. Thank you Pat!
I am kinda surprised that they didn't blur out the youtube names of those comments.
Yeah same, i'm pretty stoked about that though.
Fucking great documentary. A+.....
Yeah I like that he exposed all of them like that..but I wonder if he is legally allowed to do that?
It's not the first time that I see someone doing something similar, I wouldn't surprised if youtube specifically mentions that anyone can quote a post made by a youtuber.
You guys realize that YouTube is a public website, right? Like literally anyone can go and find those quotes probably really easily.
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Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
So true, this really was Patrick's crown jewel. I watched it hours ago and yet, I've found myself dwelling on stuff from it most of the day.
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It's beautiful to see that he's so honest with himself and he's found a way to beat the drug addiction. I hope it only gets better from here on out for him.
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So fucking heavy.
alcohol is the fucking worst. Leads to so much shit. A world of shit. And although Dustin is the 1 out of 10,000 making it work I'm sure he's fighting his own demons.
This is the best thing I've seen in a long, long time. 10/10 Pat.
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Aint gonna front, I had to put the beer down after episode 1, and after episode 4 :'(
Well done Patrick
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I don't see how any future Epicly Later'd episodes can even approach the quality of this one. This and Cardiel's are miles above the rest, probably due to the fact that the subject matter transcends skateboarding. It's so much more than the usual "yeah and then, like, the homie hooked it up, but I really didn't want to like, move to California..." superficial self-important garbage that seems to permeate skateboarding.
O'Dell needs to focus more on the Alis and Cardiels and Lennie Kirks in skateboarding. Not so much the Chimas and Spankys. There are so many genuinely interesting people with interesting stories in skating.
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Amazing stuff.
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best one in a long time
those photos of him looking skeletal and dead behind the eyes are so jarring to look at.
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It's not wrong to thank O'dell, but the credits show a whole team of people that made this happen and deserve a nod.
Drugs are the worst.
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Noone else in history stuck a 25 stair Ollie. The Lyon spot is sacred, if anyone lands it they are an asshole
birdhouse flew jaws out to do it. Security wouldn't let him. Even for $500. Said he "wasn't a fucking prostitute"
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No episode will ever top this one.
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Very moving stuff. Incredible guilt that he's carrying. Hope he is able to continue moving on and find solace in sobriety.
The motorbike crash could have happened a million times over in my life. Definitely provokes some self reflection.
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So fucking heavy.
alcohol is the fucking worst. Leads to so much shit. A world of shit. And although Dustin is the 1 out of 10,000 making it work I'm sure he's fighting his own demons.
This is the best thing I've seen in a long, long time. 10/10 Pat.
Dustin is not making it work. He's a wreck man.
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That was well told and edited together.
Having such an addictive side to your character must suck but at the same time it is part of what made him a great.
Strangely positive twist to it all, even the part about skateboarding not really mattering.
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Dustin Dollin is notorious for only ever drinking like half a beer then cracking a new one to make it seem he's drank more than he really has
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How eerie was that session with Shane, Ali, Lewis Marnell, and Jake Duncombe?
That part left a huge impression. Shane is gone, Lewis is gone, Ali's life is ruined, and duncombe is... Still piling out, I think?
I watched this after accidentally waking up at 4am. Not sure if this was a good or a bad time to watch it. Amazing doc. I hope Ali's days get better.
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Heavy episode, that's for sure.
One thing leaves me puzzled though. How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
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How eerie was that session with Shane, Ali, Lewis Marnell, and Jake Duncombe?
That part left a huge impression. Shane is gone, Lewis is gone, Ali's life is ruined, and duncombe is... Still piling out, I think?
I watched this after accidentally waking up at 4am. Not sure if this was a good or a bad time to watch it. Amazing doc. I hope Ali's days get better.
I remember watching that and feeling the same way when it came out on globe united by fate, but at that stage Lewis was still alive, now it's kinda freaky, same with the credits in let's live and lewis and Shane are there and Lewis is covering Shane's I love older women singlet, now both are gone, dustin dollin will most likely out live everyone else, the only dude that reps the shit out of Piss Drunx, Jake lost most of his sponsors and only rides for Oz sponsors besides LE due to piling out too hard.
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Wow, amazing series! Big thanx to Ali, for sharing his life story & revelations. Shows there is always hope for healing.
Makes me think of people in my own life who have addiction problems.
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Heavy episode, that's for sure.
One thing leaves me puzzled though. How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
his board sales alone wouldve done that im sure...i had so so so many ali boulala decks growing up even that ugly ass shoe he had
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That was truly amazing! I'm so glad you did this Mr Odell, it's nice to see the real side of what happens when the party is over. I'm feeling for Ali, and am so stoked that he is sober and able to tell this story. Simply moving!
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
I'd agree, but there's no way Antwuan still possesses the critical thinking skills to apply this to his life. He'd probably just say "I don't like mopeds, doo doo doo" and go about his day.
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Sheffey or Penny next plz, need someone enigmatic to follow this one IMO
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One thing leaves me puzzled though. How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
It's one thing when, say, Spanky gets his checks cut because he isn't skating on a level deemed worthy of someone getting paid to, realistically, not have a job and most real life responsibilities. However, Ali's shtick was that he was a pile that could sometimes skate exceedingly well. Watch any of his parts and there is a good amount of none-skate footy to pad it out. It wa as if Flip or whomever was saying "Look at this guy! He's a fucking nut! He doesn't need to actually film a full part's worth of shit, the kids will eat this shit up any way! Look at him spreading his ass cheeks, that could have been a trick, but nah, he doesn't need to!".
Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that his downward spiral may have either been ignored/overlooked because he was still producing enough to get by, or that it was ignored/overlooked because it was part of what made him so marketable to kids at that time. Jackass/Bam was popular, and once kids grew out of that and saw Ali doing the same sort of sus shit, they latched onto him. Him being nuts and a pile is what made him popular, so why would they decide to cut the pay on a cash cow? Same reason they didn't take Penny's board away while he was on his sabbatical... he was making them money, and it was his shtick.
Also, look at, say, homeless drug addicts... that's another situation where you have to wonder 'How did you even get the money to get Substance X?' It doesn't matter, they got the money to procure it somehow, even if it means doing something super suspect for it.
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damn. powerful stuff. stay positive ali!
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Sheffey or Penny next plz, need someone enigmatic to follow this one IMO
^you sir have my vote!
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
if antwuan cant stop for a minute and think about his current situation (no home of his own, no reliable source of income, no bank account, not even a working phone, pending cases, ect.) and realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes, hes not going to get anything out of watching this. andrew almost died in a car wreck before he decided to get sober and ali even said that he thought andrew was a fool for making that decision.
How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
if theres a will, theres a way. especially when it comes to drugs. nobody ever stops doing drugs because they cant afford them anymore. just look at twuan. dude has no sponsors and no job as far as im concerned, but still drinks, smokes and snorts coke regularly.
great episode, pat and everyone who made it happen. its pretty much a miracle that ali was able to wise up and get clean after being in the shape he was. very few people have the kind of strength it takes to beat addiction. my brother has watched people die from overdoses. hes been robbed at gunpoint while buying drugs. had a drug dealer shoot his gun off next to his head after he nodded out in a dope house. been brought back to life a handful of times after ODing and probably lived through a ton of other shit that would make anyone else never touch drugs again and he still chooses to go back to dope over and over again. addiction is no joke. im really thankful for ali for sharing his story.
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The part where he made the comparison to going to a Led Zeppelin concert then Jimmy Page and Robert Plant telling you after you were in the band and to come get some free gear was super cool.
Amazing episode. It did have me wondering about how much of his partying was known about by older people in the industry and possibly ignored because he was popular and got good footage like Allen said. Surely Reynolds, Ellington, Greco (and Brian Sumner? hahah), knew about it but didn't give a fuck because they were equally as fucked up. But somewhere higher up at Flip or Birdhouse or Zero or wherever the fuck someone must have known that this group of kids were beyond just "pissdrunx" and were smoking crack, shooting heroin, whatever. Kinda leaves me with a gross feeling and always has how the industry can let teenage children self destruct like that as long as they're jumping down stuff or acting outrageous for the cameras.
I wonder how many people went down the wrong path because of the popularity of the whole Warner/Baker/Pissdrunx thing?
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Oh wow. I watched that today. A sobering series, really sad and frustrating. I'm happy to see that Ali isn't delusional about what he did, the condition he allowed himself to go to, and, most of all, I'm happy that he seems so positive and clean after everything. A lesser man would have put a bullet through his own head. I don't really understand his physical condition, though.
Also, Dollin looks old and wretched beyond his years.
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i became a skate rat during flips early 2000's reign so i was i remember seeing all the ads and prints when it all happened but i was still too young to get it, so when odell said the ali ep was the latest one initially i wasn't that excited but that delivered for sure. i don't know how close dustin and o'dell are but i cant see him being cool with o'dell after that clip that was so obviously left in.
seriously, early 2000's baker was poison to kids. but i think most of them put their hands up and admit to that these days.
for those who didn't see it pat did an interview with what youth earlier this week on the ali ep:
http://whatyouth.com/magazines/what-youth-issue-12/interview-with-epicly-laterds-patrick-odell-a-good-warm-up-before-he-releases-the-ali-boulala-episode-this-week/ (http://whatyouth.com/magazines/what-youth-issue-12/interview-with-epicly-laterds-patrick-odell-a-good-warm-up-before-he-releases-the-ali-boulala-episode-this-week/)
this series is just as important to skateboarding as whoever's new online part or whatever companies full length, please don't stop pat.
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
if antwuan cant stop for a minute and think about his current situation (no home of his own, no reliable source of income, no bank account, not even a working phone, pending cases, ect.) and realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes, hes not going to get anything out of watching this. andrew almost died in a car wreck before he decided to get sober and ali even said that he thought andrew was a fool for making that decision.
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How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
if theres a will, theres a way. especially when it comes to drugs. nobody ever stops doing drugs because they cant afford them anymore. just look at twuan. dude has no sponsors and no job as far as im concerned, but still drinks, smokes and snorts coke regularly.
great episode, pat and everyone who made it happen. its pretty much a miracle that ali was able to wise up and get clean after being in the shape he was. very few people have the kind of strength it takes to beat addiction. my brother has watched people die from overdoses. hes been robbed at gunpoint while buying drugs. had a drug dealer shoot his gun off next to his head after he nodded out in a dope house. been brought back to life a handful of times after ODing and probably lived through a ton of other shit that would make anyone else never touch drugs again and he still chooses to go back to dope over and over again. addiction is no joke. im really thankful for ali for sharing his story.
Damn dude I am sorry to hear about your brother. I hope he gets the help he needs. I can relate to that myself, having family members battling drug and alcohol problems. It really is no joke. They lie, steal, and will pretty much do anything to fullfill their addiction. Unless they do something about it and get help, they will always put that first and everything/ everybody else that they care about second (at least from the people that I have dealt with).
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had no idea Ali was about that crack. Far too many pros of that era were about it and that shit's no joke. Much respect to anybody who has been there and come back. It's a day to day thing and if you've never been there you'll never know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Thought about this overnight and have been wondering about 2 things:
1) Dollin looks like an old lady.
2) I wonder if he can't skate (I'm speaking mentally) because skateboarding and drugs are possibly so tied together for him? I used to be big into music; writing it, listening to it, spinning it. It was all I did when I was meth'd out. When I got clean I couldn't listen to music for over a year...all I listened to was talk radio. I wonder if there's a tie between skating and piling out for Ali to the point where he can't skate without being completely triggered? I'm sure he's got physical stuff going on too that keeps him from it, but I wonder how much of it is mental as well?
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
if antwuan cant stop for a minute and think about his current situation (no home of his own, no reliable source of income, no bank account, not even a working phone, pending cases, ect.) and realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes, hes not going to get anything out of watching this. andrew almost died in a car wreck before he decided to get sober and ali even said that he thought andrew was a fool for making that decision.
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How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
if theres a will, theres a way. especially when it comes to drugs. nobody ever stops doing drugs because they cant afford them anymore. just look at twuan. dude has no sponsors and no job as far as im concerned, but still drinks, smokes and snorts coke regularly.
great episode, pat and everyone who made it happen. its pretty much a miracle that ali was able to wise up and get clean after being in the shape he was. very few people have the kind of strength it takes to beat addiction. my brother has watched people die from overdoses. hes been robbed at gunpoint while buying drugs. had a drug dealer shoot his gun off next to his head after he nodded out in a dope house. been brought back to life a handful of times after ODing and probably lived through a ton of other shit that would make anyone else never touch drugs again and he still chooses to go back to dope over and over again. addiction is no joke. im really thankful for ali for sharing his story.
Damn dude I am sorry to hear about your brother.� I hope he gets the help he needs.� I can relate to that myself, having family members battling drug and alcohol problems.� It really is no joke.� They lie, steal, and will pretty much do anything to fullfill their addiction.� Unless they do something about it and get help, they will always put that first and everything/ everybody else that they care about second (at least from the people that I have dealt with).� �
thanks man. i feel like i vent about him way too much on here, but he's my window into addiction and i know it affects a lot more people than just the ones who care to talk about it. i never want to seem like im seeking sympathy or anything like that, but i hope that anyone dealing with their own shit or knows someone who is, might be able to take something away from what i post.
hes doing ok now as far as i know. hes been sort of on a clean streak for the past year and a half now with only two separate relapses. one was some pills he got from someone while out promoting drug awareness with his rehab group (go figure) and the last time was about a month of so ago where he did some dope that was laced with fentanyl and he almost died from that. i love him and everything, but ive seen him hooked up to machines at the hospital enough times to the point where it almost doesnt even bother me any more when shit happens to him. i know if he ever died id be a mess, but after dealing with this stuff for the past 5 or so year, a lot of my compassion has been lost. ive told him that im always there for him if he needs me, but i cant be there to hold his hand every day and make sure he doesnt do anything stupid.
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This was an eye opener. I would like to know who around him thought smoking crack on the regular was an ok thing to do?
I know we cannot control our friends and what they do, but there is the pack mentality influence. How does crack become ok?
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This was an eye opener. I would like to know who around him thought smoking crack on the regular was an ok thing to do?
I know we cannot control our friends and what they do, but there is the pack mentality influence. How does crack become ok?
When everyone around you is smoking crack, nobody is going to say you should cut it out.
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It's not wrong to thank O'dell, but the credits show a whole team of people that made this happen and deserve a nod.
Drugs are the worst.
Yeah.....he credits them in his IG post. It made a huge difference in my opinion.
https://www.instagram.com/p/-wig1doPbb/?taken-by=epiclylaterd (https://www.instagram.com/p/-wig1doPbb/?taken-by=epiclylaterd)
I still liked Cardiel's episode better just cause I think he was more universally liked by most of the skate community and for him not to skate just sucks. Ali even at the height of Flip was never the guy people gravitated to but it'd be really hard anyways when you are teammates with Penny, Arto, Appleyard, Rowley, etc. Plus with his drinking habits and the death of Shane, I almost assumed everyone hated him more than liked him. But I just think this answers a lot of things that a lot of us assumed was going on with him which made this a great episode.
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This was an eye opener. I would like to know who around him thought smoking crack on the regular was an ok thing to do?
I know we cannot control our friends and what they do, but there is the pack mentality influence. How does crack become ok?
When everyone around you is smoking crack, nobody is going to say you should cut it out.
I totally get the join in the crowd thing. What I would like to understand is... Skateboarders have lots of run ins with crackheads and others who have serious mental illness and addictions as we are out cruising the streets at all hours. Most make fun of the "crazy ones" or the crackheads. How do you become one when you have seen what the shit does? Who was the the one guy that started this crew on the downward spiral?
I want to know who said... Hey guys, this weed just ain't cutting it, lets gets some crack!
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One thing leaves me puzzled though. How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
It's one thing when, say, Spanky gets his checks cut because he isn't skating on a level deemed worthy of someone getting paid to, realistically, not have a job and most real life responsibilities. However, Ali's shtick was that he was a pile that could sometimes skate exceedingly well. Watch any of his parts and there is a good amount of none-skate footy to pad it out. It wa as if Flip or whomever was saying "Look at this guy! He's a fucking nut! He doesn't need to actually film a full part's worth of shit, the kids will eat this shit up any way! Look at him spreading his ass cheeks, that could have been a trick, but nah, he doesn't need to!".
Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that his downward spiral may have either been ignored/overlooked because he was still producing enough to get by, or that it was ignored/overlooked because it was part of what made him so marketable to kids at that time. Jackass/Bam was popular, and once kids grew out of that and saw Ali doing the same sort of sus shit, they latched onto him. Him being nuts and a pile is what made him popular, so why would they decide to cut the pay on a cash cow? Same reason they didn't take Penny's board away while he was on his sabbatical... he was making them money, and it was his shtick.
Also, look at, say, homeless drug addicts... that's another situation where you have to wonder 'How did you even get the money to get Substance X?' It doesn't matter, they got the money to procure it somehow, even if it means doing something super suspect for it.
What the fuck are you talking about? ???
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This was an eye opener. I would like to know who around him thought smoking crack on the regular was an ok thing to do?
I know we cannot control our friends and what they do, but there is the pack mentality influence. How does crack become ok?
When everyone around you is smoking crack, nobody is going to say you should cut it out.
I totally get the join in the crowd thing. What I would like to understand is... Skateboarders have lots of run ins with crackheads and others who have serious mental illness and addictions as we are out cruising the streets at all hours. Most make fun of the "crazy ones" or the crackheads. How do you become one when you have seen what the shit does? Who was the the one guy that started this crew on the downward spiral?
I want to know who said... Hey guys, this weed just ain't cutting it, lets gets some crack!
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
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i'm sure it was more cocaine than alcohol involved in the tragic accident...easy to get some in australia from what i heard
it was a very sad epicly, hope the best for Ali, the best jimi hendrix personnification in skateboarding, was so stoked to see his sorry part at the time !
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Like many of you guys I have a very sad time after watching this. I wish Ali all the best. It does not seem like he is in a good shape right now, mentally and physically, more in a 2 year sunday/hangover blues. It seems like his guilt makes it impossible to skate, has taken him his abilities and the motivation to be good at it again. Nevermind my thought.
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This is a huge leap forward in terms of quality when it comes to Epicly Later'd, and I feel like Patrick has fully realized the potential of this show. For the longest time I was bummed that he didn't delve deeper, the production quality was totally lacking, and a lot of the episodes weren't as focused or structured as they could have been.
This series changes all of that. Great cinematography, great sound, fantastic editing, and a ton of subjects who are so comfortable with their interviewer that they open up in the most amazing ways. Watching Ali talk so bluntly and honestly about what he was going through is an incredible sight to behold. The amount of survivor guilt that he is experiencing is overwhelming, and his ability to just go about his day is heroic in and of itself. My hat is off to Ali for sharing his story and to Patrick and the rest of Patrick's team for doing justice to this man's story.
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The part where he made the comparison to going to a Led Zeppelin concert then Jimmy Page and Robert Plant telling you after you were in the band and to come get some free gear was super cool.
Amazing episode. It did have me wondering about how much of his partying was known about by older people in the industry and possibly ignored because he was popular and got good footage like Allen said. Surely Reynolds, Ellington, Greco (and Brian Sumner? hahah), knew about it but didn't give a fuck because they were equally as fucked up. But somewhere higher up at Flip or Birdhouse or Zero or wherever the fuck someone must have known that this group of kids were beyond just "pissdrunx" and were smoking crack, shooting heroin, whatever. Kinda leaves me with a gross feeling and always has how the industry can let teenage children self destruct like that as long as they're jumping down stuff or acting outrageous for the cameras.
I wonder how many people went down the wrong path because of the popularity of the whole Warner/Baker/Pissdrunx thing?
I think the point you raise warrants a lot more discussion than it ever receives. I don't want to go pointing anymore fingers than have already been pointed, or inject anymore negativity into this thread, but the accountability - or lack there of - that skate companies have for their endorsed riders is something I would like to see more criticism of. I'm not waving the "please think of the children" flag, there's a pantheon of bad shit out there that can poison a kid's mind, and as far as I can tell watching movies by Flip, Baker etc. countless times as an impressionable teen fucked me up a hell of a lot less than any television program.
My concern rests solely with the kids who are talented/marketable/'lucky' enough to be flown around the world by lucrative corporations in order to boost profits. I can understand why producers like O'Dell, who have a vested interest in maintaining positive relationships with industry heads so as to ensure a prosperous journalistic career, may be reluctant to touch on this issue. And let's face it, recklessness in whatever form has always played a large role in skateboarding, furthermore a lot of young pros or would-be pros seem largely surrounded by other skaters, so as you said we gotta wander where these higher ups are and how much they know.
But somewhere along the way there needs to be a push for whoever is making all the money off these kids to find a balance between getting a few lifestyle clips of the crew getting fucked up, and the general well being and even future of said crew. It's different when the weekdntage dudes shotgun beers, that's core shit right there and they weren't making a dime off it for yonks. I'm sure crews like the Baker Boys and Piss Drunks weren't either but at some point in these underground collectives someone starts getting rich and whether or not the money people are getting just as fucked, the fact that remains that if they've got the clairvoyance to recruit new riders who they deem profitable, they ought to be able to have a little care for these rookies.
I realize the company's of which I'm speaking are few and far between, and I commend skaters like Andrew Reynolds, Jim Greco and most definitely Ali Boulala for offering retrospective analysis on this sort of thing, also a hat tip to Tyshawn Jones for keeping it squeaky clean for all the kids to see. But for every untimely, drug induced death in professional skateboarding (and one is one too many, though we all know the others), I've not seen a single company come forward and say "yeah hey sorry like he was a human being and free to make his own decisions, but maybe we could've looked out for him just a little more instead of funding his addictions and makin bank," though it may not be the most economically wise undertaking. Hopefully the industry can learn from stories such as these, as I'm sure we call can, to the extent that real change may occur to help prevent such tragedies in the future.
I have not meant to upset anyone, nor have I meant to use this tragedy as a mere platform to voice my own sentiments. Rather it is because of how this film affected me that I felt compelled to speak. Rest in peace Shane Cross, deepest sympathies for friend's, family and of course Ali.
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Still clearly remember the first Ali interview I read in Big Brother. It was short and silly, mostly taking the mickey out of his name. Seem to remember it referencing him switch 5-0ing hubbas wasted and the first mention I'd heard of the PIss Drunx. Strange how that all ended up.
I wonder how much Penny's lifestyle rubbed off on him? Seems like he emulated him a lot early on and obviously not just his gear.
Does anyone know what Ali does now?
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This was an eye opener. I would like to know who around him thought smoking crack on the regular was an ok thing to do?
I know we cannot control our friends and what they do, but there is the pack mentality influence. How does crack become ok?
When everyone around you is smoking crack, nobody is going to say you should cut it out.
I totally get the join in the crowd thing. What I would like to understand is... Skateboarders have lots of run ins with crackheads and others who have serious mental illness and addictions as we are out cruising the streets at all hours. Most make fun of the "crazy ones" or the crackheads. How do you become one when you have seen what the shit does? Who was the the one guy that started this crew on the downward spiral?
I want to know who said... Hey guys, this weed just ain't cutting it, lets gets some crack!
remember when he talked about doing it for the first time and he said he told himself "this is going to be the only time"? it was right at the part where he had that gnarly slam and broke his arm. id assume thats how everyone who gets hooked on drugs starts. nobody starts using drugs with the intention of becoming an addict. it really doesnt matter who was the one who first brought it in. these guys were serious partiers who probably attracted a slew of sketchy people over to warner back in those days. it wasnt just skateboarders. when you have people who get fucked up the way the piss drunx got fucked up, youre going to run into someone who has hard drugs at some point. and its not like these guys were into making smart, responsible choices. they were idolizing guys like sid vicious. would sid vicious say no to crack or heroin? fuck no.
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when did Ali's wife leave him? during the prison stint? or after?
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when did Ali's wife leave him? during the prison stint? or after?
I was wondering about this too and I am glad they didn't go into the details beyond stating "ex-wife". I'm guessing that he was pretty tough to deal with after the accident until he got sober. Actually, he probably sucked to deal with once he got sober, too, since that's basically ripping a festering bandage off an open, weeping sore.
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Still clearly remember the first Ali interview I read in Big Brother. It was short and silly, mostly taking the mickey out of his name. Seem to remember it referencing him switch 5-0ing hubbas wasted and the first mention I'd heard of the PIss Drunx. Strange how that all ended up.
I wonder how much Penny's lifestyle rubbed off on him? Seems like he emulated him a lot early on and obviously not just his gear.
Does anyone know what Ali does now?
Homeboy's got a new shoe coming out
http://www.eytys.com (http://www.eytys.com)
He really is a different person compared to that happy go lucky kid with magnetic smile and fire in his eyes in the Flip Sorry era.
Also that skatepark ditch at the end looks sooooo fun.
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When Yoon started tearing up that was so tough to watch, I don't know how people can just keep pointing the camera in that situation.
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Amazing episodes!
I remember my dopefiend era. I watched EL episodes of Greco, Reynolds and Fabian and actually thought for myself "Ah, some day I will get there as well and stop all this madness". Those days never fucking came, instead I did multiple detoxes, rehabs and ER rounds. Finally, during my fourth stay at a rehab, I somehow got sick of being a fucking slave to a bag of dope, watching people disintegrate (because of my actions) and being homeless and got to work. It was not easy and took forever to build some kind of life, still I kept going. With a lot of help from good people and TONS of work, Im more than 2,5 years sober.
The "getting clean"part sucked, I swear to God, I understand why so few make it. My long-term methadone addiction blessed me with a physical withdrawal of at least 90 days, and it was NOTHING compared to what would come. The post acute withdrawal for the first 18 months was hell on Earth. During that time I�ve had to encounter anxiety so bad that I�d wake up in the middle of the night with nailmarks in my hands from squeezing. These awful periods could go on for months at the time and sometimes I�d question why the fuck I was doing the whole thing to begin with. What I learned from this whole thing is that many things are within our control and life is pretty good if you are not afraid of work. I wasted so much time thinking that there was no other way to live, 14 to 25 to be exact. Now I�m willing to do anything to stay away from that shit.
I wish Ali and every other addict the best of luck, the reality is that not many will make it.
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remember when he talked about doing it for the first time and he said he told himself "this is going to be the only time"? it was right at the part where he had that gnarly slam
I heard "This is not going to be the only time," and that makes more sense because of his personality. Like, he knew there was no way he was only going to 'try' it...
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What a moving story. Definitely O'Dell's best work.
I think it's easily lost how unique and incredible Ali's style was, especially those who are unfamiliar with his skating pre- Pissdrunx. Even if you aren't a fan of the direction his skating took, it's obvious he had the ability to morph his style into many other directions than the one he ultimately chose. I'm glad they had guys like Reynolds and Greco offer some perspective on just how creative and different his trick selection was during those days. I've always loved Ragdoll's part in Slaughterhouse, and Lizard King's part in The Deathwish video. Ali definitely created that whole style. I started skating in 7th grade around the time the Pissdrunx came around, and like Ali, discovered early punk bands at that time that I began to worship. Lord knows what would have happened if I was a little older or had the time or money to explore those curiosities the way the Baker crew did. I can't imagine living in another country at (16?) with zero parental supervision.
I had taken a sabbatical from skating around the time Shane Cross came around, so his death never registered emotionally on the same level as others on here- until I watched this. Thank you Patrick for telling the story so gracefully about a horrible chapter of skateboarding I never really observed. RIP Shane.
I still look back on the Pissdrunx era fondly- for better or worse. Their style captured my teen angst perfectly, and presented skateboarding in the raw and fun loving manner I believed to be most perfect. However, I can now see the damage the glorification of drugs and alcohol has caused, and I'm very glad that most of those guys now express regret and have tackled sobriety to become pretty great role models for young skaters. I do hope Baker videos continue to be funny, though.
As for the future of Epicly Laterd, this will be a tough act to follow. I agree with whoever said that episodes like this and Cardiel make more recent ones about Huf, Rowley, Chima, or Spanky seem kind of dull. I will watch every episode he ever puts out, and enjoy them all, but I think he needs to be a little more selective about the stories he chooses to tell. I'm not saying he should continue to do recovering addict stories- I actually think that would be a bad idea. Instead, focus on lesser known legends or guys who weren't already interviewed 1,000 times throughout their career with an abundance of media coverage and parts to go alongside it. Chops recent interview with Gabriel Rodriguez is the perfect example of a guy skaters would like to know more about. The Dressen episode was great as well. It also seems like he is reluctant to stray too far away from his friend-connected universe of LA- lots of the same guys seem to pop up in his interviews these days. That being said, Heath would fit the bill perfectly for the next episode ;D He definitely doesn't seem as camera shy these days as he did in the peak of his career.
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I love the fact that he got really into RC and would demand to go to the "Hobby." RC cars are dope. I always wanted a Grasshopper. I want to play with this...Meet BB-8, the Awesome New Star Wars: The Force Awakens Droid! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTxX5_0m6s#)
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remember when he talked about doing it for the first time and he said he told himself "this is going to be the only time"? it was right at the part where he had that gnarly slam
I heard "This is not going to be the only time," and that makes more sense because of his personality. Like, he knew there was no way he was only going to 'try' it...
That's what I heard too. He was diving into the rabbit hole that wasn't filled with rabbits but instead filled with drugs.
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i heard that too^
that was fucking heavy man. i dont know if some of that needed to be shared but i guess o'dell knows what he is doing, and boulala must have wanted to explain things. i felt a little like i was prying into someone else's shit watching that (more than watching a standard EL).
i feel fucking bad for Ali man. that thing he said, something along the lines of 'well today's another day i wont kill myself or use drugs', that is not a good place to be.
id be dead a 100 times over, respect to Ali.
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When Yoon started tearing up that was so tough to watch, I don't know how people can just keep pointing the camera in that situation.
That was Su Young Choi not Yoon Sul.
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^^^Heath has an episode or two in the Epicly Later'd Emerica tour serie they did back in '06-'07
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^well said Quit Sinnin
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i dont follow these last 2 comments. did some posts get deleted?
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i dont follow these last 2 comments. did some posts get deleted?
Ummm... I guess both messages were directed at Quit Sinnin.
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my bad, i dont know how i missed Quit Sinnins post.
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^^^Heath has an episode or two in the Epicly Later'd Emerica tour serie they did back in '06-'07
Nah I know, I still watch them all the time haha.
I just mean I think there's a lot more to his story that needs to be told, particularly his life post retirement (check out the We're Really Doing It blog). He was one of the more enigmatic pros who shyed away from the spotlight yet still developed a cult following. I mean if he did a second one on Spanky, Heath should absolutely get a closer examination.
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i'm sure it was more cocaine than alcohol involved in the tragic accident...easy to get some in australia from what i heard
What are you basing that on? Coke is pretty easy to get in australia but still not close to as easy to get as alcohol. Driving drunk is way sketchier than driving fried anyway.
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^^^Heath has an episode or two in the Epicly Later'd Emerica tour serie they did back in '06-'07
Nah I know, I still watch them all the time haha.
I just mean I think there's a lot more to his story that needs to be told, particularly his life post retirement (check out the We're Really Doing It blog). He was one of the more enigmatic pros who shyed away from the spotlight yet still developed a cult following. I mean if he did a second one on Spanky, Heath should absolutely get a closer examination.
Oh yeah, in that sense it would definitely be interesting, it would also be cool if the guys (or the guy ?) that did the kayak/treking trips with Heath would chime in !
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Also, I found myself with a lot of questions about Ali and his current situation. They did an excellent job covering his past, but even when his friends talked (besides his ex-wife) they always seemed to be talking in the past tense.
I'm interested in what he's doing now. His ex mentioned he had a job. I'm curious about this - where does someone in their early-mid thirties, no real work experience, serious prior convictions, and an understandably damaged psyche find work? I'm also interested in what a day in his life looks like now, besides the midday count and self-coaching.
I think you might have hit the nail on the head GAY when you suggested skating and intoxication might be too entwined in his mind to have one without the other. Especially since he mentioned the sad thing being not that he can't skate but that he doesn't try - I think a sober solo session at a carpark down the road would be totally alien and difficult to relate to the endless party that it once was.
Cool to see all the love for Ali here. I hope we outnumber all that hate that's out there, all those hateful youtube comments. Mad respect to Ali for pushing through a life that must be so different from any life he's known
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Very poignant episode and probably my favourite of the series so far. It's sad to see Ali now, he seems like a shell of his former self. It's as though he lost the part of his carefree attitude that made him who he was, nonetheless it's still amazing to see he's come through it and found success. Someone told me he was working at a family restaurant/bar but I don't know if that's true anymore. Whatever he's doing I wish him the best in life and hope he can stay sober and find happiness.
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Woah...
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This series was so well done. I think the way that it was edited was perfect. Some people have mentioned how explicit it was in terms of the specific details of Ali's drug use and drinking, but I believe that it is super important to emphasize the reality of the story. I go to AA meetings regularly and Ali's descriptions of his thinking during his using, after the crash and after getting sober were more poignant and relatable than anything I've heard within the past year.
A lot of people saw this as a really sad episode, and I agree that it is tragic, but I think that there is definitely a lot of positivity to be seen in it. Ali had such a gnarly history with drugs and alcohol, and he managed to get and stay sober for over two years. I truly believe this series has the ability to inspire someone struggling with similar problems to get sober. I am so glad I watched this and hope Ali continues feeling better every day.
To everyone else is this thread who is sober/clean, good shit and keep it up.
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Well said get gnarly. Props.
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Also, I found myself with a lot of questions about Ali and his current situation. They did an excellent job covering his past, but even when his friends talked (besides his ex-wife) they always seemed to be talking in the past tense.
I'm interested in what he's doing now. His ex mentioned he had a job. I'm curious about this - where does someone in their early-mid thirties, no real work experience, serious prior convictions, and an understandably damaged psyche find work? I'm also interested in what a day in his life looks like now, besides the midday count and self-coaching.
I think you might have hit the nail on the head GAY when you suggested skating and intoxication might be too entwined in his mind to have one without the other. Especially since he mentioned the sad thing being not that he can't skate but that he doesn't try - I think a sober solo session at a carpark down the road would be totally alien and difficult to relate to the endless party that it once was.
Cool to see all the love for Ali here. I hope we outnumber all that hate that's out there, all those hateful youtube comments. Mad respect to Ali for pushing through a life that must be so different from any life he's known
Don't quote me on this, but I think it has more to do with the bone marrow and neural problem he has. I thought this was covered in an interview and is why he can't even walk too easily. I'm sure it must be hard to want to return and battle for a flat ground flip psychologically though too. It kind of just seemed like he wants to move on to different things too...
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I'm interested in what he's doing now. His ex mentioned he had a job. I'm curious about this - where does someone in their early-mid thirties, no real work experience, serious prior convictions, and an understandably damaged psyche find work? I'm also interested in what a day in his life looks like now, besides the midday count and self-coaching.
he mentions opening his dad's restaurant before deciding to go to rehab, so he could be working there still
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at some point, Tom Penny's story needs to be recorded somewhere
Probably not going to happen. i remember in one episode O'deil asked Arto Sarri if Penny had mental health problems.
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That was beautiful. Such a roller coaster life hes lived. I'm stoked hes moving on and living his life. I loved the edit and really like that O dell didn't do the whole " hi welcome to epicly laterd, this episode is about blah blah, i know I've said this before but this skater really is the best skater ever".
Dollin is a person.
How so? Dude didn't say anything stupid in this episode, and has generally seems like a good reasonable person.
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remember when he talked about doing it for the first time and he said he told himself "this is going to be the only time"? it was right at the part where he had that gnarly slam
I heard "This is not going to be the only time," and that makes more sense because of his personality. Like, he knew there was no way he was only going to 'try' it...
That's what I heard too. He was diving into the rabbit hole that wasn't filled with rabbits but instead filled with drugs.
I know the "This isn't going to be the only time" feeling so well. Every time I "tried" a different substance I knew that once was too much and a hundred times not enough. Whilst I'd argue that I ever fit into what most people would consider an addict, my impulse control and reckless nature would lead me to repete things where I knew the consequences of my actions were negative. I've been very fortunate not to have suffered in the long term and with the love and support of my wife avoided these situations for nearly nine years now. I still drink and have never had a physical addiction to alcohol but I'd say my drinking is habitual and I'm always considering pulling the trigger on that being my last vice. I'm not sure AA would be suitable for me though as I'd feel like an imposter not having the same level of dependence if imagine most people there are dealing with.
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Also, I found myself with a lot of questions about Ali and his current situation. They did an excellent job covering his past, but even when his friends talked (besides his ex-wife) they always seemed to be talking in the past tense.
I'm interested in what he's doing now. His ex mentioned he had a job. I'm curious about this - where does someone in their early-mid thirties, no real work experience, serious prior convictions, and an understandably damaged psyche find work? I'm also interested in what a day in his life looks like now, besides the midday count and self-coaching.
I think you might have hit the nail on the head GAY when you suggested skating and intoxication might be too entwined in his mind to have one without the other. Especially since he mentioned the sad thing being not that he can't skate but that he doesn't try - I think a sober solo session at a carpark down the road would be totally alien and difficult to relate to the endless party that it once was.
Cool to see all the love for Ali here. I hope we outnumber all that hate that's out there, all those hateful youtube comments. Mad respect to Ali for pushing through a life that must be so different from any life he's known
Don't quote me on this, but I think it has more to do with the bone marrow and neural problem he has. I thought this was covered in an interview and is why he can't even walk too easily. I'm sure it must be hard to want to return and battle for a flat ground flip psychologically though too. It kind of just seemed like he wants to move on to different things too...
i think this is probably the major factor. if you look at his knee when hes sitting down cross legged, it looks totally fucked up. the psychological thing is probably tough to deal with too. im sure he still thinks of shane every time he thinks about skating. try landing a kickflip with that on your mind.
and my bad for missing the "this is not going to be the only time". i watched the whole thing on my phone at the laundry mat.
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Antwuan needs to watch this
that shit was heavy as fuck
id love to see one of Shane Cross and people talking about him with friends and family, hopefully one day.
well done Patrick and Ali
Ali riding a Baker board at the end, do you think they gave him that to ride because of the story and how Baker came from him?
if antwuan cant stop for a minute and think about his current situation (no home of his own, no reliable source of income, no bank account, not even a working phone, pending cases, ect.) and realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes, hes not going to get anything out of watching this. andrew almost died in a car wreck before he decided to get sober and ali even said that he thought andrew was a fool for making that decision.
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How was Ali able to afford his addiction and party life style for so very long?
if theres a will, theres a way. especially when it comes to drugs. nobody ever stops doing drugs because they cant afford them anymore. just look at twuan. dude has no sponsors and no job as far as im concerned, but still drinks, smokes and snorts coke regularly.
great episode, pat and everyone who made it happen. its pretty much a miracle that ali was able to wise up and get clean after being in the shape he was. very few people have the kind of strength it takes to beat addiction. my brother has watched people die from overdoses. hes been robbed at gunpoint while buying drugs. had a drug dealer shoot his gun off next to his head after he nodded out in a dope house. been brought back to life a handful of times after ODing and probably lived through a ton of other shit that would make anyone else never touch drugs again and he still chooses to go back to dope over and over again. addiction is no joke. im really thankful for ali for sharing his story.
Damn dude I am sorry to hear about your brother.� I hope he gets the help he needs.� I can relate to that myself, having family members battling drug and alcohol problems.� It really is no joke.� They lie, steal, and will pretty much do anything to fullfill their addiction.� Unless they do something about it and get help, they will always put that first and everything/ everybody else that they care about second (at least from the people that I have dealt with).� �
thanks man. i feel like i vent about him way too much on here, but he's my window into addiction and i know it affects a lot more people than just the ones who care to talk about it. i never want to seem like im seeking sympathy or anything like that, but i hope that anyone dealing with their own shit or knows someone who is, might be able to take something away from what i post.
hes doing ok now as far as i know. hes been sort of on a clean streak for the past year and a half now with only two separate relapses. one was some pills he got from someone while out promoting drug awareness with his rehab group (go figure) and the last time was about a month of so ago where he did some dope that was laced with fentanyl and he almost died from that. i love him and everything, but ive seen him hooked up to machines at the hospital enough times to the point where it almost doesnt even bother me any more when shit happens to him. i know if he ever died id be a mess, but after dealing with this stuff for the past 5 or so year, a lot of my compassion has been lost. ive told him that im always there for him if he needs me, but i cant be there to hold his hand every day and make sure he doesnt do anything stupid.
I feel you on that man. Same exact thing with my cousin who has been constantly in and out of rehabs, overdosing, lying, stealing etc to the point where everyone in the family just feels like there isn't any hope for her and that this addiction is so ingrained into her life now (shes been an addict for 12 years), that she wouldn't know how to be normal anymore. We all have thought this about her at one point but at the end of the day we have to just keep our hopes up and have faith. Same goes with your brother, just never give up no matter what (and I know you won't).
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I love the fact that he got really into RC and would demand to go to the "Hobby." RC cars are dope. I always wanted a Grasshopper. I want to play with this...Meet BB-8, the Awesome New Star Wars: The Force Awakens Droid! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTxX5_0m6s#)
I wanna kick that thing lol...its like a soccer ball!
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tbh im surprised he could even hold it together that well if he was smoking rock like that
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Great series, be well Ali
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tbh im surprised he could even hold it together that well if he was smoking rock like that
Speed is one of those things that allows a person appear to hold it together until the wheels fall off and then it's a huge disaster.
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really heavy to see Dustin Dollin sipping a beer during the episodes :-\
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really heavy to see Dustin Dollin sipping a beer during the episodes :-\
It's definitely in bad taste..
But then again, it's hard for the interviewee to understand the tone of which the documentary will be made. Yes, it was about ali whose life is obviously traumatic, but there have been more lighthearted documentaries about such topics. Ive also noticed (and someone mentioned it above) that alot of these interviews have been used in other productions, like that aussie filmer that also talked about chima in his EP.
My thinking is that PO casually asked dollin to get a drink/food and talk about a variety of things, chima, ali, ect... However, if this was the case, you think that Patrick would inform Dustin of the more dramatic tone he was aspiring towards with Ali's episode...
Note that Patrick extends the shot of Dustin taken a swig, definitely a filmmaker's metaphor that some people will never learn.
I just hope Dustin dosent follow the same route that so many of his friends have become victim to
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i wouldnt say it's in bad taste. everyone knows dollin still drinks, him intentionally not drinking during 1 interview would just be superficial bullshit.
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Dollin doesn't exactly know how to be respectful in interviews, like this one, where he pretty much insults the hosts and their jobs
Dustin Dollin, Louie Lopez drop by Sports Desk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oboxh2SNcbM#)
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I don't think Dustin is being disrespectful, that's nonsense. Dustin taking a swig of beer at the end of that clip worked really well as some sort of artistic device. I can't blame O'Dell for including it, it's too good to leave out, although it would have been reasonable to cut it. If anything, it gives the impression that Dustin himself is headed for destruction, as though he's somehow unaware he's headed for the same negative outcome he's just finished describing. Which I think is demonstrably untrue, Dustin's legitimately maintained his his status as a pro skater for 15 years, no matter his reputation as a drinker. It was a dramatic effect made at Dustin's expense.
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I don't think Dustin is being disrespectful, that's nonsense. Dustin taking a swig of beer at the end of that clip worked really well as some sort of artistic device. I can't blame O'Dell for including it, it's too good to leave out, although it would have been reasonable to cut it. If anything, it gives the impression that Dustin himself is headed for destruction, as though he's somehow unaware he's headed for the same negative outcome he's just finished describing. Which I think is demonstrably untrue, Dustin's legitimately maintained his his status as a pro skater for 15 years, no matter his reputation as a drinker. It was a dramatic effect made at Dustin's expense.
I agree more of a thing with editing because it's getting taken out of context a little. Dustin was in Australia x amount of years ago when it happened, fast forward to now when they filmed the interview. I really thought the opening of this Epicly Later'd was next level. The whole thing was really good.
Ali's looking just like Tom Penny era was really sick, I'm glad that was included. His early grom footage was amazing too. I thought it was awesome he still wore the same kit to this day. Barely having any Cali footy and not being able to come back kinda tripped me out, never knew about that.
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Actually shed a tear watching him ride away at the end. One of the saddest things I've seen in a long time.
Good luck and thanks for the memories.
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I don't think Dustin is being disrespectful, that's nonsense. Dustin taking a swig of beer at the end of that clip worked really well as some sort of artistic device. I can't blame O'Dell for including it, it's too good to leave out, although it would have been reasonable to cut it. If anything, it gives the impression that Dustin himself is headed for destruction, as though he's somehow unaware he's headed for the same negative outcome he's just finished describing. Which I think is demonstrably untrue, Dustin's legitimately maintained his his status as a pro skater for 15 years, no matter his reputation as a drinker. It was a dramatic effect made at Dustin's expense.
He's just having a beer.
The whole part of Ali's story seemed to be that he became an addict to the things he liked. If he liked it, he'd do it every chance he got. I don't think Ali was out to really demonise alcohol and drugs, just explaining how he was with it.
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That was beautiful. Such a roller coaster life hes lived. I'm stoked hes moving on and living his life. I loved the edit and really like that O dell didn't do the whole " hi welcome to epicly laterd, this episode is about blah blah, i know I've said this before but this skater really is the best skater ever".
Dollin is a person.
This haha and it's not just him either. I couldn't tell you how many times I would see a skater or whoever say "he's the most naturally talented skater I've ever seen" and then later say the same exact thing about some other skater.
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I don't think Dustin is being disrespectful, that's nonsense. Dustin taking a swig of beer at the end of that clip worked really well as some sort of artistic device. I can't blame O'Dell for including it, it's too good to leave out, although it would have been reasonable to cut it. If anything, it gives the impression that Dustin himself is headed for destruction, as though he's somehow unaware he's headed for the same negative outcome he's just finished describing. Which I think is demonstrably untrue, Dustin's legitimately maintained his his status as a pro skater for 15 years, no matter his reputation as a drinker. It was a dramatic effect made at Dustin's expense.
He's just having a beer.
The whole part of Ali's story seemed to be that he became an addict to the things he liked. If he liked it, he'd do it every chance he got. I don't think Ali was out to really demonise alcohol and drugs, just explaining how he was with it.
This.
I feel like y'all are overinterpreting that shot of Dollin having a beer way too much. I think it's a really good shot, but I don't think there's anything disrespectful about it. Why would it be? Dollin is an adult. Two of his friends were involved in that accident. One died, the other one has been left traumatized and spent some time in jail. Dollin had to find his own ways of coping with this. It might sound like a stupid cliche, but it's true that everyone mourns in a different way (to a certain extent). And Dollin having a beer while talking about the incident is in no way disrespectful. It's just normal.
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Complaining about Dollin drinking a beer while talking about this is such an idiotic bullshit pc double standard thing to say. Drinking a beer and driving a vehicle while being fucked up have pretty much nothing to do with each other. There's a lot of people that fucked up their life with drinking and doing drugs too much, but I doubt that many of you stopped drinking so that their feelings wouldn't get hurt
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i'm having a beer right now, should i go to rehab ? haha
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Drinking a beer and driving a vehicle while being fucked up have pretty much nothing to do with each other.
Hm.
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
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Complaining about Dollin drinking a beer while talking about this is such an idiotic bullshit pc double standard thing to say. Drinking a beer and driving a vehicle while being fucked up have pretty much nothing to do with each other. There's a lot of people that fucked up their life with drinking and doing drugs too much, but I doubt that many of you stopped drinking so that their feelings wouldn't get hurt
Word. Also it looked pretty hot when his interview was filmed.
Dude deserved a nice cold brewsky.
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
I think Ellington is sober though. I swear he had a cake celebrating his sobriety.
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i'm having a beer right now, should i go to rehab ? haha
If it's at 6am, before work and full of cigarette butts and you still drink it. Yes.
Don't wanna be Debbie downer but the shit is no joke.
Viva la SLAP!
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
I think Ellington is sober though. I swear he had a cake celebrating his sobriety.
Nah I've seen Ellington drinking on recent supra tours.
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of course dollins gonna be drinking a beer its not like he claims to not be an alcoholic
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dollin having a beer and saying driving and drinking dont mix? ok, its not like he is going to step into a vehicle right now after the interview. drinking to a certain amount is ok and to what amount it is ok anybody has to distinguish it for himself but as dustin said, drinking and driving isnt smart, because you are involuntarily involving others who are bystanders or not involved. i think he is smart enough. i would guess.
but, that was really a tough and intense episode. very sad. i wish ali the best.
and those guys who say (and keep saying, but thats not making any difference) he's a murderer and shit, fuck you. it was an accident no one wanted to happen. i cant really believe there were and really are people out there who keep saying an intoxicated guy is a murderer for driving with his intoxicated friend and having an accident on a moped.
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i don't have too much to add other than to say i feel terrible for ali
he was punished for his mistakes in every concievable way, and for him to come out the other end sober, well spoken and actively trying to help others through public speaking and whatnot is truely impressive and takes alot of guts
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
I think Ellington is sober though. I swear he had a cake celebrating his sobriety.
really?? I was under the impression that he was completely sober now.
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
I think Ellington is sober though. I swear he had a cake celebrating his sobriety.
He may well be now but I know I heard he was sober before and then saw him having a beer after that. He wasn't drunk or anything and it was more than 2 years ago.
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
I think Ellington is sober though. I swear he had a cake celebrating his sobriety.
wow ! amazing beer paparazzi shit
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i'm having a beer right now, should i go to rehab ? haha
If it's at 6am, before work and full of cigarette butts and you still drink it. Yes.
Don't wanna be Debbie downer but the shit is no joke.
Viva la SLAP!
it's ok then, it was 6pm and i don't work at all
cheers !
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I'm posting drunk and it's 20:43. In vino veritas. That's Latin, real handy if you ever want to come visit Latin America. I can't bear to watch Ali failing the kickflips anymore. It makes me impossibly sad.
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I'm posting drunk and it's 20:43. In vino veritas. That's Latin, real handy if you ever want to come visit Latin America. I can't bear to watch Ali failing the kickflips anymore. It makes me impossibly sad.
He wasn't even trying, Odell gave him a Baker board to bail some tricks and finish off his bullshit "masterpiece"
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I'm posting drunk and it's 20:43. In vino veritas. That's Latin, real handy if you ever want to come visit Latin America. I can't bear to watch Ali failing the kickflips anymore. It makes me impossibly sad.
Please drink some bleach with your bullshit
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
far as i know this is not the case!
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What I would like to understand is... Skateboarders have lots of run ins with crackheads and others who have serious mental illness and addictions as we are out cruising the streets at all hours. Most make fun of the "crazy ones" or the crackheads. How do you become one when you have seen what the shit does? Who was the the one guy that started this crew on the downward spiral?
Well check out Antwuan's intro in Baker has a deathwish ... I'm pretty sure it will be prophetic
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haven't watched this yet, but I will add a few points:
- Ali's wife was still with him after the accident. At least she was for a while (I recall her doing some fundraising in Aus at the time)
- Dollin is the only one left now really. It's definitely taking it's toll on him but it's all he has in terms of "marketing". Great skater make no mistake, but he could have been a lot greater...
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What I would like to understand is... Skateboarders have lots of run ins with crackheads and others who have serious mental illness and addictions as we are out cruising the streets at all hours. Most make fun of the "crazy ones" or the crackheads. How do you become one when you have seen what the shit does? Who was the the one guy that started this crew on the downward spiral?
Well check out Antwuan's intro in Baker has a deathwish ... I'm pretty sure it will be prophetic
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haven't watched this yet, but I will add a few points:
- Ali's wife was still with him after the accident. At least she was for a while (I recall her doing some fundraising in Aus at the time)
- Dollin is the only one left now really. It's definitely taking it's toll on him but it's all he has in terms of "marketing". Great skater make no mistake, but he could have been a lot greater...
Ellington did an interview with Thrasher this year (or late '14) for a supra tour article and he clearly stated that he had stopped drinking for over a year (even showed a 1 year anniversary badge from the AA on instagram) and in that same interview he said that Dollin and a few other Piss Drunx unsung heros are still going at it. But, as far as the pros we know, Dollin is clearly the last contender.
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piss drunk for live mannnnnn
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Watching him not be able to skate is tugging the old heart strings, were they saying it's a result of the accident? Poor dude obviously had no intention of doing what he did and skating could've been a great meditation to keep his mind off of things. Fucking sad
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just curious, but who out of the OG PD crew still drink? is dustin the only one? reynolds, greco, erik, shane heyl, ali, all sober now. spanly is sober too, but him and herm and even braydon seemed like they were just kids when all those other guys were going their hardest.
Ellington still drinks, but on rare occasion
I wouldn't call Braydon, Herman, Spanky in the OG PD crew, they kinda came abit later
I guess it's Dollin and Ellington that still drink, but Ellington rarely
Dollins added Rowan into Piss Drunx occording to Dollins Instagram a few months ago
far as i know this is not the case!
Ellington's counting days, which means he's completely sober. Or a liar! OR BOTH!!!!!!
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i can relate to whoever said "you can't escape people drinking" or something. I'm not straight edge but I got a car about a year ago and I don't fuck with drinking and driving, however my friends don't seem to give a fuck always serving me beer passing me the joint telling me to relax have a bit. Even if i wasn't driving and just trying to be sober it would still piss me off, it's like it's fucking pointless if you're not getting fucked up. It's not generosity it's enablers.
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I thought EE was sober???
I'm probably going to be thinking about this all the time till I find out the truth.
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I thought EE was sober???
I'm probably going to be thinking about this all the time till I find out the truth.
This was from 2012, so maybe he's completely quit drinking now (Like some others in this thread I could've swore he was sober nowadays) (https://chefrix.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/erik-ellington-interviewed-by-chris-nieratko-on-sneezemag-com/)
I guess a good way to start is: how bad was it when it was at its worst?
I guess it’s like any other kid that’s young and getting paid. I moved to California and was having fun with my friends and stuff. Our Baker thing was glamorized a little bit more than what anybody’s situation was. We drank a lot or whatever but who doesn’t? My mom was always really mellow with me drinking and stuff. I’d be sixteen and she’d be like, “If you’re going to go out and get drunk, come here and get drunk with your friends.” And I’d do that and I think that gave me a little bit of a tolerance in a way of not wanting to get as completely fucked up as possible, because I started at an earlier age, even though I ended up doing that too at times. Drinking is fun and it can get out of hand pretty quick and then you get into doing a little bit of coke or something and next thing you know you’re smoking crack in Hollywood. Fortunately my body, at the time, had a shutdown mechanism where at six in the morning or seven in the morning you’re smoking crack or whatever and I couldn’t do it anymore. The next day being a pro skateboarder I felt like such a piece of shit that I was regretful every single time I did that. Some people get to the point where they’re like, “Fuck it! I don’t care. The drug is more important.” But to me skating was always more important. I still go out and get drunk and stuff. I haven’t touched hard drugs in quite a while but I think it’s nice to go out and get drunk with your friends, but it’s also nice not to black out and be an asshole to everybody.
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Dollin drinking a beer during his interview, I think it's interesting hearing everyone's reaction to it. I think that since Dollin is still a PD - or whatever - maybe makes everyone assume he's still as crazy as those guys ever were with alcohol to this day? Companies probably still try to market it with him based on the following. Maybe he was in the thick of it with those guys and went crazy as most people do at that age, especially given the freedom given with their profession, but just toned it down seeing what happened to everyone around him. It's not like I personally know or hangout with Dollin but it seems like the guy just enjoys a good beer, perhaps still gets drunk often, but isn't a true addict like the other guys who got sober. I'd imagine he might have dabbled with hard drugs during the PD heyday but realized what not to do seeing the aftermath for everyone else. In the States, when I tell people I drink a beer almost every night with dinner sometimes they're response is, "That sounds like too much, you think you may be an alcoholic". Fuckin' hell, no, I just like beer. You could leave a liquor cabinet with bottles worth 5 grand each with me and I wouldn't touch it. Personally, I'm just keen on beer.
So who knows in regards to Dollin? These episodes were really eye opening though, Boulala was a guy with that energy for sure and then this thing happened which was horrible; Afterwards, he vanished. Fuck man... He just seems so down on life though. Like he thinks about killing himself everyday or something but sticks around for the sake of everyone who he knows cares about him.
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Geoff might be a sociopath. Any see him smiling while describing the death of his friend?
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Geoff might be a sociopath. Any see him smiling while describing the death of his friend?
Geoff just put it behind him, he smiles all the time on camera. That or his Liverpool was coming out
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Geoff might be a sociopath. Any see him smiling while describing the death of his friend?
I'll be the first to call Rowley out for his sociopathic ways but I honestly just think it was nostalgia here and him reminiscing about the golden days of flip. Like Dollin, we don't get to see the whole interview, it's only snippets
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Geoff might be a sociopath. Any see him smiling while describing the death of his friend?
He should probably have that checked...sounds dangerous/catchy.
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Rowley's old :(