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Title: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Im curious about how you guys set your trucks up, special methods, preferences and all that nerdy stuff.
 
Here's mine:
Thunder 147's riding 8.1-825 and 54 wheels
-replacement 100a Thunder bushings
-Bottom washers left out
-Front truck Flush( edit:perhaps the smallest tad under now) with some wobble
-Back truck 1-2 threads showing edit: correction, back truck is now barely over flush, loosened it when It got colder
-risers

Seriously can't complain about this set-up in anyway, for me its perfect, loose up front for quick turns and tighter in back stabilises on landings and at high speeds. The hard bushing and loose front works really well for me, best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
Indy 139 Reynolds stage 11s
- 8.125 boards, 53mm wheels
- aftermarket Indy medium bushings

I also ride a slightly looser front truck with both kingpin nuts not completely flush, though I tighten them as I skate them more. I don't modify or remove parts from my trucks 'cause it seems contrary to the way they were designed to be used but that's just my OCD. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to fuck with them a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 20, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
I used to tinker with my trucks, replacing bushings, after market, Bones ect. Then a while back a decided not to do any of that shit until it was necessary ie. something's blown out. I run all my stuff stock now and I'm skating better than I was 2 years ago (I'm 37 so that's a thing). I run Indies, front and back the same, fairly loose, and I switch them back to front every new deck so they wear out evenly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 20, 2015, 07:50:31 AM
Then a while back a decided not to do any of that shit until it was necessary ie. something's blown out. I run all my stuff stock now

I do this too. And eventually the newer Indy bushings will crumble apart. You'll have to excuse my tinfoil hat but I think Indy started making crappier bushings than back in the day so people would have to buy aftermarket.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 20, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
i mix it up between indy/ thunder 149s and 159/151 but been pretty consistently on Thunder 151s.

i don't fuck with the forged or hollow options. prefer polished or raw. black baseplates are OK.

stock bushings, 1/8" risers, wheels usually mid 50s but right now on some really worn down 54s. kingpin nuts flush. i use them on 8.5s to 8.75s but they are money on boards right in the middle of that range.

good all round trucks. light for their size, perfect height. super responsive. you can get them nice and loose but they still feel stable at speed. street, small tight bowls, bigger floaty trannies. love 'em. only downside is, without the proper bushing combo,/wheel size they will get a bit of wheelbite when as loose as i like them.

going to rotate to indy 159 on my next set up just to remind myself...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 20, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
Indy 149s with whatever wheels I happen to have, F4s or Stf's if I had to choose.
Aftermarket Indy 94a bushings
Back truck always a few turns tighter than my front. I'm not sure where this habit formed from; my trucks were even for the longest time and then outta nowhere I found myself skating with a looser front without even realizing it, and I've just stuck with it. All I know is now if I try to skate with them even or with the back truck even just slightly looser than the front it throws me all off.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on December 20, 2015, 10:20:41 AM
Thunder 151's w/ Thunder risers, everything stock. Front truck looser than the back truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 20, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
I just switched the bushings on my Crail 149 trucks. They're a Brazilian brand but it's what's on menu. I want to see how it will affect my skating after my foot is healed. I switched the stock 100a Moog bushings for some softer ones. Dunno the duro but they're the orange cone ones. I did it out of frustration. Can't loosen the front truck enough without the washers rattling like a baby rattle. So I'll try using softer ones to try and see if my skating will improve once I'm back. Injuries are the worst.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tufty on December 20, 2015, 01:37:27 PM
8.375 deck, 139 indie standard trucks, 55mm wheels.

-Replaced indie washers, because they bend very easy, with a set of destructo ones.
-Due to stage 10s limited clearance between hanger and kigpin, when I broke a kigpin, I replaced both baseplates with two other from a low Indy truck. That way I gave more life to my trucks without destroying the kigpin nut.
-Due to that change I couldnt fit the bushings (Bones hards) I previously had. So what I did was use the same bottom bushing but swap the top one with a doh doh white from my first skateboard trucks. I used to ride the trucks extra tight then so the bushing was very slim and I could now tighten the nut on the kigpin...
- I ride medium to tight for most people but I am a heavy guy and I think that they are medium for me.
- I ride front truck looser too.

Now I bought some stage 11s and I wait until my current set up is trashed. I Bought some white doh dohs as I find them more suitable than bones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on December 20, 2015, 01:42:33 PM
i dont really mess around with my trucks.
i ride independent stage 11 149. 3 speedrings on the inside, 1 on the outside to keep the axlenut flush.
i never tighten/loosen the trucks. i just leave them how i got them.
the longer i ride the same pair of trucks the softer they get, due to the bushings. i kinda like it that way and i dont wanna screw around too much.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  

So you back that up? You obviously haven't posted that just because, I know, but now I'm curious about your method. I just add a little bit of shavings from a soap bar on the pivot cups. It's nice, but it's a bit difficult to put just the right amount, given that it's a solid material rather than a liquid.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 20, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
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My go-to are:

Indy Titanium 149
Aftermarket Indy Soft bushings (cylinder bottom)
Kingpin nuts flush
Speed washers and bearing spacers in the wheels
1 drop of dry bike chain lube in the pivot cups when I first set them up

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
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So you back that up? You obviously haven't posted that just because, I know, but now I'm curious about your method. I just add a little bit of shavings from a soap bar on the pivot cups. It's nice, but it's a bit difficult to put just the right amount, given that it's a solid material rather than a liquid.

Yup, it works great, lasts a long time and actually extends the life of the pivot cups.  I've tried soap shavings and wax shavings as well and neither work.

The key is to make sure its a "dry" lube.  It's not only for bike chains but also for your cables which are essential metal on plastic friction like the pivot in a truck.  It's oil with a bit of liquid wax in it so it's less greasy and lasts longer than something like speedcream

This is what I use - http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BicycleChainOilFinishLine320.jpg (http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BicycleChainOilFinishLine320.jpg) 

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 20, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
i ride thunder 147s hi with the forged baseplate and the hollow kingpin with 54mm bones wheels,
and i have bones medium bushings because the other ones went to shit.
i wanted to try the hollow lights though, but i was also thinking of trying to hollow light indys too, so even though they barley save a penny worth of weight would the hollow axle indys be more durable than the thunders jumping off of shit or would they be about the same?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: LookyLurkerLou on December 20, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CINCINNATI on December 20, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
169 Indys stage 11, standard not hollow or any gimmicks
red Indy bushings with the top washer only

up until last week, pretty worn down spf bones that were the conical shape
now 101 f4 conical fulls
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on December 20, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Indy forged lights 159 with raw hangar and red baseplate

Bottom washer removed

Stock bushings

finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 20, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 20, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half

Ace are amazing trucks. The new redesigns from later this year have made them even better. The stock bushings are great, and they can ride really loose without having to worry about wheelbite which happens with me and Indy's. You will have a hard time riding any other truck after you make the switch to Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 20, 2015, 04:57:01 PM
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Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
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Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up

ha i remember reading a adrian lopez interview like in the early 2000s where he said he did this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 20, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
Trucks are by far the thing i nitpick over the least, that said i still like a few things to be the way i want on every set.

139s with 2-3 extra speed rings on the inside to push the wheels out flush a tiny bit more

Bones mediums and have only really just started color coding front and back truck with white set on front truck and black set on back

Axle nut enough of a wiggle room for the wheel to click clack in my fingers

And ever since i tried them have to use the titanium theeve hardware to hold it all together

I really dread setting up a new set, i've had my current set on for 2 1/2 years
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on December 20, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
Thunder 149's
Stock bushings
I use washers, and the spacers for my Swiss.

The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
I also do this, my friends think it's weird that I don't designate a front and back truck.
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 20, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
8.12 board with 149 thunders. fucking hate it. i usually go 8.25 with 149s, but accidentally got a 8.12 instead of a 8.125. wanted to try going down in size but seems im gonna have to cop some 8. trucks for that. front truck slightly looser. medium loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TFUCKINA on December 20, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
indy 139 titanium stage 11
i dont like the kingpins on hollow forged baseplates, so i swap them out for solid forged baseplates.
3 washers on the inside of each axle.
indy 90a aftermarket barrel bushings
i try to always put an indy sticker on the back truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on December 20, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
Indy 149 for 8.38's or Indy 159 for 8.5's and above...

Prefer Hollow's but the new one that they've put out seems to wear away quicker.

Bones Bushings Medium for regular set up and Hard for Cruiser.

No bottom washer but i do buy a different top washer which is slightly much smaller than the standard Indy top washer.
Caliber hardware/trucks makes them and it fits the top part of the small bushing perfectly! and never bends or dings because it doesn't touch the truck at all which also doesn't scrape any part of the hanger. it almost feels like skating without the top washer but everyone knows that usually breaks the top bushing much quicker and this small washer prevents that. achieves a much looser trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 02:49:29 AM
I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 20matar on December 21, 2015, 04:42:25 AM
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.

Tightening screws in a cross pattern is supposed to be the correct way, period. Not just for skateboarding. I do it, too, any other way feels weird.


finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me

I tried doing this back when I was just started. It was all fun and games until I was riding down the avenue and the nut of the front truck fell off! Finding the bushing, the washer and the nut in between the traffic runs was fun, but not the kind of experience I want again. I like to tighten the front truck with my fingers as much as I can, then tighten them with the tool just enough for me not to be able to untighten them by hand.

I like to keep my back truck tighter. Tight enough to give stability, but loose enough to be responsive. I'd love to ride them both super loose, but I just can't pull it off on a daily basis, especially considering my commute.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 06:38:15 AM
I go through phases of skating Thunder and Indy for periods of time... currently skating Thunders again, but every once in a while i'll want that smoother/slower turn of Indys.  

currently
Thunder 149ii
(titanium hanger with hollow forged baseplate, with bones medium (same set of bushings for past 2-3 years), no bottom washer)
usually kingpin nut is set a groove or two above "flush"
always keep the trucks designated front/back (gotta take advantage of the grooves)
52-54mm wheels (usually smaller in the summer and bigger in the winter)

or

Indy 149
(hollow or regular hanger, with bones medium (same set of bushings for past 2-3 years), no bottom washer)
usually kingpin nut is set a groove or two above "flush"
always keep the trucks designated front/back (gotta take advantage of the grooves)
53-56mm wheels (usually smaller in the summer and bigger in the winter)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 21, 2015, 06:41:17 AM
I'm riding indy 139's stage 11: with a forged hollow base plate/kingpin & a stage 11 hanger. I like the feel of forged base plates while riding. Feels more solid with less vibration to my feet, in a small way.

indy after market 88a conical bushing, with one aftermarket indy medium 90a barrell bushing for the bottom of my back truck (I like a more stable back truck)

I usually tighten my front truck 2 revs, with my back truck being 2 1/2 revs. I try to go either by halves or quarter turns when loosing/tightening my trucks. Its easier to decipher where I like it that way, instead of getting madness from trying to figure out how little or more to tighten it.

I keep a bottle of citrus cleaner handy whenever the ends of my axles get too dirty and rusty. Sometimes the bearings in my wheels get too much friction when they're sitting on a dirty axle.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 09:46:19 AM
I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit

From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
ive never had a problem with bones med and thunders (no bottom bushing)... in fact, ive found they mellow Thunders'turning out a bit.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 21, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
IMO you definitely do not need bottom washers with Aftermarket Thunder bushings in Thunders, with both I dont even really like them, with just the top I absolutely love them, with risers too mind 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on December 21, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
ive never had a problem with bones med and thunders (no bottom bushing)... in fact, ive found they mellow Thunders'turning out a bit.   
How does that work?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 21, 2015, 10:20:26 AM
he meant washers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on December 21, 2015, 10:22:13 AM
I meant washers

(http://45.media.tumblr.com/9cba86fad67680b2a5e6faed06f2c757/tumblr_n1da0h5gU71rrx588o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 21, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
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I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
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From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.

Oh damn I wasn't aware of that. Stands to reason, I always felt like the bottom bushing didn't sit quite flush with the base. Definitely looking forward to giving Aces a go though. I was on the fence and then they dropped the update so I was sold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on December 21, 2015, 02:28:08 PM
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I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
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Tightening screws in a cross pattern is supposed to be the correct way, period. Not just for skateboarding. I do it, too, any other way feels weird.

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finger tight about to fall apart at all times, if you can't hear them jingle they're too tight for me
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I tried doing this back when I was just started. It was all fun and games until I was riding down the avenue and the nut of the front truck fell off! Finding the bushing, the washer and the nut in between the traffic runs was fun, but not the kind of experience I want again. I like to tighten the front truck with my fingers as much as I can, then tighten them with the tool just enough for me not to be able to untighten them by hand.

I like to keep my back truck tighter. Tight enough to give stability, but loose enough to be responsive. I'd love to ride them both super loose, but I just can't pull it off on a daily basis, especially considering my commute.

I've had trucks fall apart a lot, but I've been riding them this way for long enough to the point where I can hear when they're too loose and may fall apart and then I can give them a few twists with my finger. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
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I was going to say trucks are what I'm most picky about with my set ups but I realised I'm picky about everything down the the bolts, but I guess that just means I fit in here.

Currently riding thunder 147 high hollows with bones medium bushings. I skate them medium-loose, prefer them looser but kept getting wheelbite every time I landed anything. Was riding Indy hollow 149s before these, with Indy after market medium bushings. Didn't get on with them. I honesty don't see why everyone sucks indys dick so hard. Buying some ace 44's tomorrow, hoping they live up to the hype. Going to keep them stock because I'm tired of tinkering around with shit
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From my experience, Bones bushings don't fit properly in Thunder trucks. I even called DLXSF one day and he said Thunder's geometry and Bones don't mesh well. You need the cylinder aftermarket Indy or Thunder bushings with both the bottom and top washers on Thunders. I stopped riding the Thunder 149 Hi's because they're are slightly lower than Indy Hi's and I got insane wheelbite.

Ace Hi's are about the same height as Thunder Hi's from baseplate to axle, but just the way they're built you can ride super loose and wheelbite is very minimal. They'll feel a bit weird at first when grinding, but you're going to notice how insanely responsive they are to your turns. The new redesign fixed some issues, and the pivot cups and stock bushings are good to go. You'll love 'em man, smoothest grind and best turn in the biz.
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Oh damn I wasn't aware of that. Stands to reason, I always felt like the bottom bushing didn't sit quite flush with the base. Definitely looking forward to giving Aces a go though. I was on the fence and then they dropped the update so I was sold

Yeah then today I receive some indy's and other goodies as a gift, and I compare the Indy's to my Ace's and the Indy's look like they were casted by a five year old. Casting marks all over the place and they're no longer made in the USA. Ace makes theirs in China but at least it's done right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...

Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 21, 2015, 03:53:52 PM
Yeah, I found a noticeable difference in the way Krux/ Ace grind compared to Thunder/ Indy. It does feel softer and I don't really like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 04:07:36 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 21, 2015, 05:06:45 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico
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Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.

Totally agree there.  my Indy's look like shit as well. Ace are actually my favorite looking truck out today
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: iwshilvdnfinland on December 21, 2015, 05:16:01 PM
8.25 deck


149 Indys   -   STOCK




i used to care about bones bushings but they always fell apart so hard, and it was such a hassle replacing them... i've been going straight stock for like 2 years now and i often wonder what i was really fusing about.  it's all good now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 21, 2015, 05:21:15 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico
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Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I almost feel like posting a picture of these Indy's shitty casting job. I guess I'm just used to how beautiful Ace's look and how I want to skate just by looking at them. These Indy's look like the last set off of a shelf at Wal Mart that no one wanted.
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Totally agree there.  my Indy's look like shit as well. Ace are actually my favorite looking truck out today

I'm still curious to try Krux's 5.0 Tall trucks. Heard they turn great and the stock cushions are supposed to be really good. Plus the bottle opener will come in handy. You ever try 'em?
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Post by: tangar on December 21, 2015, 06:21:13 PM

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The one weird thing that I do is I set both trucks up with equal tightness and then I switch them (front to back) with every new board setup.  
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I also do this, my friends think it's weird that I don't designate a front and back truck.
I also tighten my mounting hardware diagonally. Just a quirk I guess, but I always thought it'd center the baseplate better.
i feel like if i rotated my trucks everytime i skated a new deck it would totally throw me off. i feel like skating the front truck looser than the back just kind of happens naturally for most people, making the back a little more stable since your weight is mostly there. i also tighten my bolts diagonally.

indy 149 titanium with after market orange indy bushings with the barrel bottoms. i use washers on the axles but not spacers. i used to ride lots of other trucks and this is my first pair of indys after skating for 16+? years and i love them. its the first truck ive been able to skate medium loose and feel totally stable and comfortable. i used to ride my trucks super tight when i was riding thunders and ventures.

i also have a set of thunder 151 with old black thunder bushings from an old set. i didnt like the ones they had and didnt wanna spend money on more. so far they feel ok but i havent skated them much. i also use risers cause the last set of thunders i had gave me a shit load of wheelbite and thats why i switched over to indy. i dont look at thread counts on either for the kingpin, just adjust til it feels right. (looking at it i guess theres barely a thread showing on the indys and flush on the thunders but that could change since i havent skated them much.)



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Post by: OldManSkate on December 21, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Venture 5.2 V-Hollow Lights Hi with 8.125 deck. Stock everything. Finger tightened and then 3/4 of a turn with a tool, I think...I'm pretty superstitious, once I get my trucks perfect, I leave everything alone. Front truck slightly looser. This might be my favorite setup; sharp turns but curvy at the same time.

Other setup: Indy Titanium 139 w/ red Indy aftermarket bushings, 8.06 deck. Finger tightened and then 3/4 of a turn with a tool. Front truck slightly looser. So far, I'm digging how stable they feel and how they feel overall. But they're just not as forgiving as Ventures when I land sloppy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 21, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
I didn't know rotating trucks was considered unusual. wouldn't the bushings on your back trucks wear out way faster otherwise? the break-in period is kind of annoying but really short, like maybe an hour. it feels like you're skating the nose of your board for a while and you might even screw up trying to ollie a manhole. if people are walking by and see you fail you want to explain to them that you just rotated your trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
So Indy offers conical aftermarket bushings and I've never tried them so I'm finally going to pull the trigger. Conical being the same shape as bones bushings.

Anyways, I'm torn between the blue color (92a) or the red (88a). I'm a little over 200lbs and I can't ride super soft bushings, but hards take forever to break in, so I've always stuck with medium Bones. However, Indy's red ones which are considered soft, are 88a and not ridiculously soft like Bones' 81a. Anyone think I'd be good with the red ones, or should I not risk destroying them quickly and go with the blues?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 01:45:12 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".

I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.

Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 02:33:22 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 22, 2015, 03:02:13 PM
So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.� Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.� That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.� All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind� better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.

Interesting. Thank you for the info good sir. I did notice the forged titanium Indy's are essentially a mid truck which would require me to use a riser since I ride so loose. Don't think I'll ever get 'em but I hope they work out for you. I bet they'll last a ridiculously long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on December 22, 2015, 03:15:44 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.� Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.� That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.� All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind� better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Interesting. Thank you for the info good sir. I did notice the forged titanium Indy's are essentially a mid truck which would require me to use a riser since I ride so loose. Don't think I'll ever get 'em but I hope they work out for you. I bet they'll last a ridiculously long time.
To be honest I really only bought them because I got a great discount on them.

So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 22, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
i bought some indy 149s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on December 22, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
i bought some indy 149�s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.

That would fuck with my OCD... Is the shop closed forever or just in the holidays? if so wait for it to open so you can change them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on December 22, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.

Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 22, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel

Theeve claimed to have a titanium alloy hanger, and this was proven to be wrong. The company is exactly what the name states...thieves. Charging twice as much as other trucks for the same old shit. Therefore, their claim that their kingpins are titanium is most likely false.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on December 22, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
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i bought some indy 149�s from this shitty shop and they gave me one hollow and one standard. would i even notice? are they different in any way? height is the same i think. i hope they dont turn differently. hollows are the Reynolds model. i mean its a 26.g difference so i doubt id notice it. i cant feel which is which in my hands.

the shop is closed now so i cant return them. serves them right.
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That would fuck with my OCD... Is the shop closed forever or just in the holidays? if so wait for it to open so you can change them.

bankrupt. cant say i feel bad for them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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I think you might be wrong about that. I believe Ermico is still making the non-forged, Indy, Thunder, Venture trucks...
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Correct.  Ermico pours any cast metal for indy, thunder and venture.  That includes all hangers and cast baseplates.  All of the forged components and titanium axles are from China.

Trucks with aluminum hangers from china (Ace, Krux, Destructo, etc) grind  better than anything on the planet but wear down a little quicker due to the metal being slightly softer than what they use at Ermico


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That's weird, I just bought a set of Indy 139 forged Titanium and they are specifically labled "Made In The USA".
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I've thought about buying those expensive ass trucks due to the titanium axle and slightly better quality overall, but they put hollow kingpins in them and I will never ride hollow's. Every person I've ever met skating hollow kingpin's no matter what company snapped them. I'm sure I could put a regular kingpin in there that will fit but I don't fuck with kingpins. Just bushings and pivot cups although I've never had to replace a cup yet.
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Hollow kingpins are stronger than regular. It's physics, check it out.
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Unless they use a stronger grade metal, I have every reason to believe they're not as strong as regular kingpins.
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Yes, most hollow kingpins are titanium where as solid kingpins are not. Also, the bulk of strength in a cylinder is concentrated in the outside. The ability to flex also results to less fracturing meaning a solid cylinder is likely to fracture from the inside out and a hollow cylinder is less likely to do so.
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Theeve makes the only hollow titanium kingpin on the planet.  All others (Indy, thunder, venture, etc) are steel
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Theeve claimed to have a titanium alloy hanger, and this was proven to be wrong. The company is exactly what the name states...thieves. Charging twice as much as other trucks for the same old shit. Therefore, their claim that their kingpins are titanium is most likely false.

Not exactly correct.  They have one model (TiH) that has a full Titanium hanger and two models with a Titanium Axle (TiKing and TiAx).  

The youtube video "disproving" them was that they claimed their regular models used a "Titanium Alloy Blend" for the hangers and baseplates which was actually like .12% titanium.

The TiKing titanium kingpin is legitimately titanium as well.  I've had them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chumlee on December 22, 2015, 08:40:43 PM
This thread is a whole lot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on December 22, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
I switched from Thunder 149 hollows to Indy 149 hollows, and had to swap bushings in the Indys for Doh Dohs medium soft so they didn't feel tight. The stock bushings are garbage. I'm fine with the stock Thunder bushings, and have both sets stock tight--nuts flush with bolts.

Other than the quality of the stock bushings, the main thing I have noticed is the stability of the truck compared to the turning radius. To put it simply:


I guess its like someone described the difference between a snowboard turning on its rail versus a skateboard turning on its center line. Shit, I ride a snowboard and like it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 22, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
This thread is a whole lot

haha yeah really skate nerd shit right here


I ride the Thunder hi's 147 with the aftermarket bushings 95 duro. works really well.. a little stiffer than the stock bushings but get nice and squishy after a few times. both washers and my trucks are not too loose or tight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on December 22, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
I ride all my stuff really tight like no rattle....when you drop it, it's just one thud. 

One weird thing I do is wipe my trucks....definitely when I clean my bearings I use acetone or whatever to get rid of any dirt or grime...

I didn't give a shit for most of my life but now possibly because I'm older and weirder I do this stuff....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: max power on December 22, 2015, 10:44:14 PM
the plain ass indy's or reynolds hollow (non forged baseplates) and blue after market indy barrel bushings. this shit's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 22, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
Regular Indys 10.5 (had a pair of hollow light thunders and broke the kingpin on a hospital flip and hollow kingpins scare me now)
Bones hard bushings hard duro
No bottom washer, top one only to prevent the nut from digging in
Tightened to see 2 threads
Butterfly sticker a little girl gave me to mark my back truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 23, 2015, 02:02:58 AM
can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 23, 2015, 04:39:54 AM
can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights

Of the two I prefer thunder
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bbk on December 23, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
Thunder hollow 147, usually stock bushing, no bottom washer, kingpin nut flush, 2 washers on the inside
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Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 23, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
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can i get a opinion real quick

thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
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Of the two I prefer thunder
ok thanks, do you think any axle bending problems would happen if i skate some gaps with them? i don't really think it would happen but you never know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Otis Fatona-Pinet on December 24, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
I've really been liking Royals lately, and just picked up a set on my new complete.  Went with the inverted kingpin cuz the clearance on them was my only issue. With some bones bushings and both washers the 5.25, meant for 7.75-8.25 feel really nice on an 8.5. I ride them pretty lose and like the feeling of having to be over the center of my board for stability. Turning is super easy and feels amazing and even with 53mm wheels wheelbite isn't much of a problem. I understand why people don't like royals tho. The stock bushing and pretty weird and the metal seems. Different than any other truck but once they get broken in skate and grind great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on December 26, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
I've had both and prefer Indy.

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thunder hollow lights or indy hollow lights
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on December 26, 2015, 09:43:08 PM
Mini Logo 8.38, i usually loosen them and skate for like 10 min to break them in and then take out the kingpin washer or else I cant get them loose enough, tighten them just passed finger level. I started using risers recently too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 27, 2015, 07:58:22 AM
Been riding some Thunder 149 highs with the hollow axle for awhile and really liked them. But I got a set of 149 IIs for Christmas that I'm pretty excited to try out. I'm pretty overdue to change but I always try to hold out for as long as I can.



Also, awhile ago I bought some Bones Mediums for my cruiser board (also with Thunders) and am pretty perplexed by the hype. Never in my life had I been so frustrated by bushings. It was impossible to get my trucks to feel right, the shape felt awkward to me, and no amount of modification seemed to make a difference. I've always just used stock bushings and for the most part have never had any overwhelming problems with them unless the trucks themselves are old. Anyone else here feel similarly? I know they're pretty popular bushings, but I just couldn't get them to feel right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
Been riding some Thunder 149 highs with the hollow axle for awhile and really liked them. But I got a set of 149 IIs for Christmas that I'm pretty excited to try out. I'm pretty overdue to change but I always try to hold out for as long as I can.



Also, awhile ago I bought some Bones Mediums for my cruiser board (also with Thunders) and am pretty perplexed by the hype. Never in my life had I been so frustrated by bushings. It was impossible to get my trucks to feel right, the shape felt awkward to me, and no amount of modification seemed to make a difference. I've always just used stock bushings and for the most part have never had any overwhelming problems with them unless the trucks themselves are old. Anyone else here feel similarly? I know they're pretty popular bushings, but I just couldn't get them to feel right.

Bones bushings don't fit Thunder's correctly. I discovered this on my own and called DLXSF about it and they agreed you need regular cylinder or conical bushings by either Thunder or Indy with both the top and bottom washer.
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Post by: N.L. on December 27, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.
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Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.

Maybe because you used a bottom washer? I could barely get the bones to fit on regular 149 hi's. Didn't use a bottom washer but I did use a top and within less than a week the bushing was all deformed and it definitely was not a defect. Thunder trucks are great trucks, but Bones ain't a good idea.
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Post by: N.L. on December 27, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Correct. My preferred combo was bones med bottom with bottom washer and stock thunder top bushing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on December 27, 2015, 01:06:22 PM
Currently skating regular stage 11 149 Indys with two spacers on the inside of each wheel, one outside. Tried the Bones mediums for a while but they kept blowing out. Switched to the hards and after they broke in they have been perfect. Have a set of hollow 149s that I'm going to put medium Indy after market conical bushings in. Have heard good things about them from folks on here.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on December 27, 2015, 01:51:02 PM
I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 27, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs

Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on December 27, 2015, 04:44:03 PM
Currently skating regular stage 11 149 Indys with two spacers on the inside of each wheel, one outside. Tried the Bones mediums for a while but they kept blowing out. Switched to the hards and after they broke in they have been perfect. Have a set of hollow 149s that I'm going to put medium Indy after market conical bushings in. Have heard good things about them from folks on here.

I've had the one set of Indy aftermarket mediums for more than a year now after messing around with blown out Bones for years. I've got the conicals with just the top washer on. I won't be using any other bushings since I haven't had to worry about them at all.
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Post by: Randozzi on December 27, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
That's great to hear, thanks!
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Post by: larry leadfoot on December 28, 2015, 03:49:54 AM
No problem!

Also, I'm skating standard stage 11 Indy 149s. The bushings haven't chipped at all, and still feel responsive. They took an afternoon to break in, whereas Bones used to take a whole day to feel good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on December 28, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
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I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
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Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?

They're the conicals, but it doesnt matter because im using two top bushings haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 12:22:38 PM
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I've rode pretty much everything and was convinced i needed super blown out bones bushings to even be able to skate. Then i got indy red and orange aftermarkets, but due to how much my trucks (indy 149 standard) were already worn down i couldnt properly fit the bottom bushing. So i decided to compromise by putting the harder orange top bushing as my bottom and a red for the top. Breaking them in was a little weird, but im skating the best ive ever skated right now. It's basically just a lower and more responsive indy. The orange gives me a little more tightness and the red gives me a little wiggly jiggly. Would definitely reccomend trying if you like super loose trucks but want a bit more control. Enough to slappy, wallie, wallride easily, but still tight enough for everything else. Im 6'1 145 lbs
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Nice set up. Do you know if you have the cylinder or conical shapes?
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They're the conicals, but it doesnt matter because im using two top bushings haha

Haha I didn't catch that but right on. Maybe I'll try that method some time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 28, 2015, 01:05:13 PM
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Indy or Thunder 149. Want to try ACE 55
Indy replacement 90a bushings
Back truck loose, top bushing cut in half with three washers
Front truck super wobbly, both bushings boiled for 45 min and top cut in half
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Woah, never heard of boiling bushings, I'm curious what that does and perhaps even where you learned that from, very interesting set-up
Still curious about the boiling if you see this Lou!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:36:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.

Congrats on the Ace's. Beautiful aren't they? I recommend just skating them how they are stock. Don't understand why people that aren't obese are switching out the bushings, they're very good quality.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

Ace's will give you that Thunder turn but even better, and an even smoother grind than Indy's. Sorry, I talk about Ace too much on here but only because they're that good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 28, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
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Threw the stock bushings with both washers back in my thunder 147s and they feel waaaaaay better now. Luckily I've also decided white bushings look the best. Kingpin bolt finger tightened and then one full turn with the tool. Also got my ace 44's today, look/feel real nice.
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Congrats on the Ace's. Beautiful aren't they? I recommend just skating them how they are stock. Don't understand why people that aren't obese are switching out the bushings, they're very good quality.

Yeah dawg keeping em fully stock!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on December 28, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
I'm tempted by Aces but two things turn me off. 1) Made in China 2) the sizing... 44s = too narrow / 55s = too wide for my tastes... I'm sure I could make it work but shit... Thunder 151s... better get another set soon as mine are down to axle...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 28, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
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I've used bones bushings on thunder 149s and 151s with bottom and top washers, worked perfectly fine.
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Maybe because you used a bottom washer? I could barely get the bones to fit on regular 149 hi's. Didn't use a bottom washer but I did use a top and within less than a week the bushing was all deformed and it definitely was not a defect. Thunder trucks are great trucks, but Bones ain't a good idea.

it works fine but in my experience thunders with bones makes the pivot cups blow out waaayy faster than using the stock thunder bushings and both washers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
I'm tempted by Aces but two things turn me off. 1) Made in China 2) the sizing... 44s = too narrow / 55s = too wide for my tastes... I'm sure I could make it work but shit... Thunder 151s... better get another set soon as mine are down to axle...

I feel you on #1. These days no matter what I buy I try and seek out USA made. But even Indy now only makes their standard truck hangers in USA. Every other part I'm pretty sure comes from China. I would say the same goes for most other truck companies. I know China usually means bad quality but in Ace's case, they are way better quality than USA made Indy's. When looking at a set of Indy's next to a set of Aces, you can just tell. And even after the whole bend issue, he's listened to all the feedback and redesigned it because he actually cares to make a quality truck. It's core through and through.

And I feel you on the sizing. I only skate 8.5" decks and 55's would be too wide. The 44 axle looks damn near even with an 8.5 board, it's just the hanger that's not as wide, which could be good or bad depending on how you're skating. I know people have used two washers on the inside to make everything flush, but I don't care that much. As long as it's not wider than my board, I'm good.

Thunder isn't a bad choice at all, but Ace can provide you with an even better ride with minimal to no wheelbite because they turn so damn good without having to use the extra force that usually results in the bite.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sports on December 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM

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So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
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Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.

not that anyone actually cares, but thought i'd give some input:
For two rods with the same outside diameter (like the standardized OD of truck axles) and the same material (meaning same young's modulus) the hollow rod will have a lower moment of inertia and section modulus than the solid rod. This translates to a higher stress and more deflection with the hollow rod than the solid one if both have the same applied load. If the stress is greater than the yield stress of the material (independent of the axle being solid or hollow) than your going to bend or break your axle.

Some misconceptions you may be making in saying that the hollow axle is "stronger." Weight has nothing to do with strength, its only a result of density and volume. If you have a hollow rod and a solid rod of the same material that weigh the same and are the same length, than the hollow rod will have to be a larger diameter (to make up for the material missing inside). As the diameter increases, the stresses and deflections decrease exponentially. But increasing diameter is not possible since the axle OD is standardized.
So you could make a hollow axle stronger than a solid axle of the same material and equal length but you would have to increase the diameter of the axle.

Moral of the story if you don't want to read above shit: hollow axles in trucks are more likely to break than solid ones

some equations: http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf (http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf)
kook me while yur at it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 28, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
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So even if the kingpins were the same material, hollow would still be stronger, correct?
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Not necessarily, if you have 2 cylinders of equal weight and diameter the hollow one would be stronger, the variables in length can distort this and then the material used is going to be a factor. It's something that requires testing and can be subject to various differentiating factors but overall I'd still say that hollow kingpins are less likely to snap than solids.
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not that anyone actually cares, but thought i'd give some input:
For two rods with the same outside diameter (like the standardized OD of truck axles) and the same material (meaning same young's modulus) the hollow rod will have a lower moment of inertia and section modulus than the solid rod. This translates to a higher stress and more deflection with the hollow rod than the solid one if both have the same applied load. If the stress is greater than the yield stress of the material (independent of the axle being solid or hollow) than your going to bend or break your axle.

Some misconceptions you may be making in saying that the hollow axle is "stronger." Weight has nothing to do with strength, its only a result of density and volume. If you have a hollow rod and a solid rod of the same material that weigh the same and are the same length, than the hollow rod will have to be a larger diameter (to make up for the material missing inside). As the diameter increases, the stresses and deflections decrease exponentially. But increasing diameter is not possible since the axle OD is standardized.
So you could make a hollow axle stronger than a solid axle of the same material and equal length but you would have to increase the diameter of the axle.

Moral of the story if you don't want to read above shit: hollow axles in trucks are more likely to break than solid ones

some equations: http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf (http://www.atcpublications.com/Sample_pages_from_FDG.pdf)
kook me while yur at it

Info much appreciated dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 28, 2015, 08:04:47 PM
damn, son. droppin' science. I would totally gnar that post if I could.

but I never have and I don't think I ever will break an axle, hollow or regular.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on December 28, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

I had similar experiences with those indy red 88's. As soon as I'd take them out to skate they would feel really agile and would turn quick right away, but after awhile, deeper into the session it seemed like it would seize up and the turning felt more sluggish. Then again, its been cold out lately when this has happened, so I figured that had something to do with it.     
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on December 28, 2015, 10:16:23 PM
For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 04:31:15 AM
For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.

The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 29, 2015, 06:34:39 AM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.

the white ones that come stock are the best. i get the aftermarket thunder ones and there great.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on December 29, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.
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the white ones that come stock are the best. i get the aftermarket thunder ones and there great.

The white ones must come stock on different models. I find it odd how truck companies have good stock ones on some models but crappy ones on others.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: obZen on December 29, 2015, 05:32:53 PM
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For the last 10 years now I just buy a set of Thunder team trucks and tighten them about a turn and a half, keep everything stock. Only change I've made in that time I that I sized up to 149's since I'm riding 8.3" decks these days. Thunder bushings have gotten better over the last 5 years too. Quick turn, not too low, perfect weight. Back them forever.
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The trucks themselves are great, but the bushings have always and still are garbage. The clear ones that come stock on regular 149 Hi's ripped and crapped out within a month on me multiple times.

Could be the case. They respond super well, and I haven't had any blow out on me in my last three pairs. I dont skate big shit though. Ledges, flat bars, smaller stairs and gaps. Pretty much everything below 8-10 stairs. I'm sure I'd have a much bigger issue if I were doing anything massive. Mine usually are the stock clear bushings too. I might try some of the aftermarket ones as I think something slightly harder would be better for my fat ass.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 01, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
149 Hollow thunder hangers
team plates for height
Krux downlow hollow kingpin
soft khiro pivot cups
indy 88a conical bushings

The turn takes a bit to get used to in tranny (I'm usually an ACE or Indy guy for bowls)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 01, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
149 Hollow thunder hangers
team plates for height
Krux downlow hollow kingpin
soft khiro pivot cups
indy 88a conical bushings

The turn takes a bit to get used to in tranny (I'm usually an ACE or Indy guy for bowls)

You should put a team plate in the back with the forged plate in front, like a hot rod. It'll help with pop............
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 06:44:38 PM
Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...

I think this might be a cold weather thing. Temps were in the 30s today, wind chill in the teens and my trucks wouldn't turn for shit.... Anyone else notice their bushings significantly hardening up in cold weather?
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Post by: Randozzi on January 01, 2016, 06:56:25 PM
Oh yeah.
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 01, 2016, 06:57:04 PM
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Back on indy 149s with the 88a conical bushings. They really feel like shit next to my worn in thunder 151s. The timing on ollies is great and there is less wheelbite issues but the turn is so sluggish... I've got to stop alternating between truck brands and just commit to one...
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I think this might be a cold weather thing. Temps were in the 30s today, wind chill in the teens and my trucks wouldn't turn for shit.... Anyone else notice their bushings significantly hardening up in cold weather?
Oh yes, I'm very well acquainted with this, best solution to still be able to turn is take out your bottom washers, and let your front truck wobble a bit, bushings seem like they also shrink in the cold also, so as much as your back trucks stiffens up, your front will have more shrink wobble creating an equilibrium of sorts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
just took out my indy conical 88as and put in some thrashed bones mediums with no washers. its wobbly and will likely give me wheelbite but a man needs to turn...
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 01, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
just took out my indy conical 88as and put in some thrashed bones mediums with no washers. its wobbly and will likely give me wheelbite but a man needs to turn...
Just keep in mind that they'll get more wobbly the colder it is, but also more stiff at the same time, maybe bring a tool out if you can to re-adjust until you find the sweet spot
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paul Cicero on January 06, 2016, 01:56:49 AM
This has probably been covered already, but I'm thinking of trying Thunder again, just need to know if Thunder 147s are longer than Indy 139s?
Im assuming yes? Or is the 147 the Thunder version of Indy 139s? Thanks Pals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on January 06, 2016, 03:04:15 AM
This has probably been covered already, but I'm thinking of trying Thunder again, just need to know if Thunder 147s are longer than Indy 139s?
Im assuming yes? Or is the 147 the Thunder version of Indy 139s? Thanks Pals.

Exact same width my dude
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagsurfer on January 06, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
i got some bones medium bushings in some venture lows. what i do is take off the kingpin nut on both and twist it slightly so its on the last thread and then i give it 5-6 complete 360 rotations so that way the torque is about even on both sides. i can't stand having a truck that's looser than the other.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 06, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.
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Post by: swagsurfer on January 06, 2016, 10:20:36 PM
Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.


on some daewon shit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 06, 2016, 10:23:42 PM
Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 06, 2016, 11:14:49 PM
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Took the top bushing off my front truck and honestly it feels amazing. I have a hard bones bushing and it's easier to turn but still feels pretty stable. I think it might actually even help my manuals on that truck.

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on some daewon shit?
Yeah but probably tighter lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 06, 2016, 11:27:16 PM
Anyone ever try 2 bottom bones bushing's on Ace Trucks? Regular Set Up makes the kingpin stick out by 3-4 threads. I even tried putting a stock top bushing and Bone's Bottom bushing and it still sticks out. I just wanna tighten it so the the washers and bushings are secure. I know everyone praises the Stock Ace bushings but them things mush out too quick.

Also, has anyone tried using Indy pivot cups on Ace? mines just blew out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 07, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??

Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Such on January 07, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on January 07, 2016, 03:20:23 PM
do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.

Yes
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Post by: Such on January 07, 2016, 03:42:54 PM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes

good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Post by: ZEBRA on January 07, 2016, 09:09:37 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...

Will do. Probably buying some this weekend. Hopefully it stops raining next week...
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Post by: j....soy..... on January 07, 2016, 10:41:26 PM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?

Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 08, 2016, 07:20:53 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?

Theeve are great, very much like an Indy, used to be lighter but no longer, stock bones; I always found them sort of a Thunder/Indy hybrid: faster carve/turn than Indy, more carvy/turny than Thunder - I found them difficult to adjust too after riding aces for so long.
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Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Theeve are great, very much like an Indy, used to be lighter but no longer, stock bones; I always found them sort of a Thunder/Indy hybrid: faster carve/turn than Indy, more carvy/turny than Thunder - I found them difficult to adjust too after riding aces for so long.


Second that for Theeve.  The TiKings were the best trucks I've ever skated.  However, I kept having issues with the kingpin rounding the baseplate so I gave up on them.  Not sure if they've fixed that issue but I'm assuming they haven't since the baseplate is still the same
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Post by: layzieyez on January 08, 2016, 09:14:14 AM
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.

Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 09:49:59 AM
recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med

I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 08, 2016, 10:33:53 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
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Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez (https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez)

It wasn't hard to pound out and I actually used the idea of an old kingfoam insole wrapped around the handle of my hatchet I posted before to pound it out.  My method involves dry wall screwing the baseplate into a piece of 2x4 to keep the whole thing solid and keeping the target from moving.  It only took about a dozen solid smacks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
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do theeve trucks come with bones bushings? the look identical.
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Yes
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good i im using some thunders and the bushings suck. hows the turning on theeves?
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Good....like an Indy I think.....unfortunately they say Theeve on them.....
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I recently did the krux downlow kingpin swap with some TiKings and the clearance is crazy on smiths.  I only had the kingpin/baseplate problems on the first run set I had which were the V2 TiAX.
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Nice.  Got any pics of that Krux kingpin on the Tikings?  How hard was it to hammer out the kingpin from the Theeve baseplate?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez (https://www.instagram.com/p/BASb29Qo_J0/?taken-by=layzieyez)

It wasn't hard to pound out and I actually used the idea of an old kingfoam insole wrapped around the handle of my hatchet I posted before to pound it out.  My method involves dry wall screwing the baseplate into a piece of 2x4 to keep the whole thing solid and keeping the target from moving.  It only took about a dozen solid smacks.

That's awesome man.  Theeve already have pretty good kingpin clearance but that is insane.  It looks like you'll grind through the entire axle before reaching the kingpin.  Nice work
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: coneklr on January 08, 2016, 10:42:11 AM
If anyone wants a set of those Krux kingpins pm me.  I bought a set but really wanted to skate so I just hooked my board up so I could go and I'm too lazy to take it apart at this point haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 10:47:32 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?

1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")

Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 08, 2016, 11:03:11 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
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Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.

what hardness of the indy aftermarket bushings? do you use a bottom washer?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")
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Pretty similar to what I've found -

Indy - smoother deeper turn, more stable on manuals and landings (this could be due to using the cylinder aftermarket bottom bushings) and every time I step on my Indy setup I immediately think "ahh, this feels right"

Thunder - Pop.  I have no idea why but I can simply pop higher on Thunder's than any other trucks.  I don't think it has anything to do with weight.  It might be the axle placement being pushed out a bit further than Indy.  This one thing is what keeps my trying Thunder.
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what hardness of the indy aftermarket bushings? do you use a bottom washer?

I'm using the 90a red "soft" cylinder bottom bushings with both washers and the nut tightened flush.  They're softer than the stock Indy bushings (with much better rebound) but they seem to get firmer the deeper you turn.  They give a loose feel but almost eliminate wheelbite.

The only downside is that they take about 3 sessions to break in 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 08, 2016, 12:36:00 PM
anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)

Standard Indy's with solid kingpin, solid axle and cast baseplate with a matte/satin clear coat.  The white bushings/black hardware looks cool if you care about that type of thing
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 08, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
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recently went back to plain ol Indy 149 with regular hangers.... only modification = bones med
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I'm still flip-flopping between two setups, one with Thunder 149 and one with Indy 149 and can't decide between the two.  They both have advantages and drawbacks over each other.

Was there anything in particular that made you go back to Indy or just to change things up?
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1) looser/surf turn (for me, once you get to a certain looseness on Thunders, they just sorta flop over and lose all control)
2) height (less wheel bite)
3) look (I prefer the shape/design of the indy hanger to any other truck)
4) time (i've spent more time skating indy than any other truck...so there's a general sense of "well, these worked for this long...")

i flip flop between indy and thunders also but 159s and 151s. i find the timing of the pop better on indys and a deeper turn. thunders are lighter, lower and quicker to respond. both great trucks and i can never make up my mind what i prefer....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on January 09, 2016, 04:01:46 AM
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anyone know what the deal is with these ave independent trucks?

http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/micro/15/12/independent-ave)
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Standard Indy's with solid kingpin, solid axle and cast baseplate with a matte/satin clear coat.  The white bushings/black hardware looks cool if you care about that type of thing
They must have put the wrong specs on the 139's info because they're listed as measuring a 7.6" hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 11, 2016, 06:40:05 PM
lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 11, 2016, 06:45:55 PM
lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
Maybe bearing seat(I think its called, hole either way) is defective on that side?. Especially if its been happening since you put the new wheels on
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 11, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
that would suck but I have another set of wheels I can try if the problem continues. thanks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 11, 2016, 08:18:20 PM
Had that problem with a set of v2 STFs before. Everytime my board would land primo the bearing for one of the wheels would pop out and it would lock the wheel up. Ended up giving em to a friend who didn't care.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 14, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
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I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on January 14, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
I had a few sets of those and I've blown them out.  They're good, but aren't indestructible.  It was a while ago so I can't tell you how long a set lasted me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: sweet pee on January 14, 2016, 05:06:10 AM
I had a set of the yellow khiro bushings (92a). I put them in a pair of Indy's and within two sessions they were completely shredded, and the metal inserts were clanking around. I think these are more suited for cruiser/longboard setups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 14, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
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I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?

I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: TheLowerBack on January 14, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
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I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
I'd been riding bones bushings without washers for a while. As I got more and more into curbs, I would blow out the top bushings, quick, like in a week or so. I set up with medium Khiro  aluminum inserts on top, bones hard on bottom and soft Khiro pivot cups. Rode like a dream, super carvey/surfy, yet still stable for wobblers. After a month or so of slappies, mainly crooks, the top on disintegrated. I'd say about twice the life span of bones, but I'm back to riding washers. When your kingpin's this ground down you can't go changing bushings every month.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: m477 on January 14, 2016, 02:47:29 PM
I tried the black khiro metal insert bushings and they're hard as rocks. Could not break them in, even with the trucks Daewon clanky loose the board would not turn, just lean  :o
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on January 15, 2016, 07:41:40 AM

I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.

where do you find em?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 15, 2016, 08:26:30 AM
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
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where do you find em?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3599 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3599)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 15, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
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I'm starting to like not having the top washer on my trucks. I also find that if you bend it to a certain point, it starts to cut away at your top bushing then it leads to it being blown out or separate in half.

I'm interested in trying these and thought if anyone has ever tried them. I know Bone's makes hard plastic ends on their bushings but they tend to crack easily especially the top if you don't use a washer.

Need feedback on khiro pivot cups too and how they compare to the indy version.

I just replaced the pivot cups on the redesigned Ace 44's i just got and the indy pivot cups sits loose and doesn't fit right but they're less squeaky and seems to be holding up pretty well. i figured since khiro makes bushings and pivot cups mainly, wouldn't it be a universal fit?
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I hate Indy pivot cups so much, with the constant squeaking, that I replace them right off the bat. I've been using the hard khiro pivot cups for a while. I like them. They're quiet and haven't blown out. If you order make sure you get the small ones, I guess the large are for longboard trucks.
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I'd been riding bones bushings without washers for a while. As I got more and more into curbs, I would blow out the top bushings, quick, like in a week or so. I set up with medium Khiro  aluminum inserts on top, bones hard on bottom and soft Khiro pivot cups. Rode like a dream, super carvey/surfy, yet still stable for wobblers. After a month or so of slappies, mainly crooks, the top on disintegrated. I'd say about twice the life span of bones, but I'm back to riding washers. When your kingpin's this ground down you can't go changing bushings every month.


I'm really trying to get accustomed to Ace because i want trucks to be truly loose without having to go all Matt Rodriguez. I've had Indy's since forever and i just set my cruiser/slappy set up with the Indy Soft Bushings and something about the geometry of the truck that keeps it really stable that the rebound that you get when it center's it back is so on point but it doesn't give you that true loose feel that Ace does. I absolutely despise stock bushings because they feel soggy and almost too bouncy that it feel's like your skating in 78a wheels. I wanna find a bushing that feels like bones mediums that can fit Ace's without the kingpin sticking out.

I noticed that on Ace's that even if i replaced the stock pivot cups which blew out way quicker(3 days) than the indy's(1 week) atleast the indy's weren't squeaky. They just didn't sit right for some reason on the pivot cup hole. As far as durability on the khiro's soft or hard! i want know if they last a good while. As I too am skating more curbs than usual and i've made my indy pivot cups last almost a year till it's completely blown out of the pivot cup hole.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 18, 2016, 11:38:01 AM
Are Ace 44's 8.25" on the dot?

And does anybody know where I can get the new ones from?
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Post by: BMCsteve on January 18, 2016, 01:46:08 PM
Are Ace 44's 8.25" on the dot?

And does anybody know where I can get the new ones from?

they're actually 8.38.  Skatewarehouse and Socalskateshop have the new models in stock
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on January 18, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
Thanks man!

You wouldn't happen to know if they are taller than regular indys?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 03:37:42 PM
Thanks man!

You wouldn't happen to know if they are taller than regular indys?

They're 53mm tall but since they turn so well there's pretty much no wheelbite unless you ride huge wheels without a riser. SkateWarehouse is sold out of the 44's, go with SoCalSkateShop if you can't get them at your local shop.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 18, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
I just bit the bullet and got some 44s from Unheard. Figured, I can't continue to talk shit on Ace until I've given them a fair run and if I don't like them, they can go on my cruiser....

https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s (https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s)

They are the new beefed up hangars despite the photo....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
I just bit the bullet and got some 44s from Unheard. Figured, I can't continue to talk shit on Ace until I've given them a fair run and if I don't like them, they can go on my cruiser....

https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s (https://www.unheardpdx.com/trucks/ace-44s)

They are the new beefed up hangars despite the photo....

Finally, you been slackin' fool! You're gonna love 'em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 18, 2016, 08:28:25 PM
We'll see... I just compared them with my Thunders and Indys. The Ace 44s are a tiny bit higher than the Thunders 151 (with regular baseplates) but also heavier (which might not be a fair comparison since my thunders are at axle). The Ace are maybe a couple of mms lower than Indy 149 stage 11 and seem about the same weight, perhaps this is due to the beefier hangar?

The weather is absolute dog shit at the moment so no idea when I'll get to try them... maybe an indoor session...

If they work out maybe I'll see about some 55s. They certainly look sick. In the past when I tried them on friends' boards I didn't like the grind on chunky pool coping but like I said, I'll give them a solid run now I have my own pair.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 18, 2016, 09:30:16 PM
They are 2mm shorter than Indy Standards and .7 taller than Thunder Hi's. Just be patient, as it will feel weird when grinding at first but that's just the trucks locking you in towards the wheel so you build in those grooves easier. After just a few hours you'll already start to become one with the trucks 8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
If you ride loose ACE and Khiro don't mix well due to the size yoke hole on the aces -  I was running red bottoms/blue tops and the hanger would just eat away at the bushing, too soft and too loose maybe?

Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 19, 2016, 04:18:58 PM
Unless you're Matt Rodriguez, I don't understand why people replace Ace's bushings. They're resilient and have the perfect hardness, and I'm a big dude. Other than what I've read about Krux you won't find a better stock bushing than those two truck companies.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 20, 2016, 02:09:10 AM
Unless you're Matt Rodriguez, I don't understand why people replace Ace's bushings. They're resilient and have the perfect hardness, and I'm a big dude. Other than what I've read about Krux you won't find a better stock bushing than those two truck companies.

My dude...i blew through those stock bushings and stock pivot cups and i didn't even tighten them to a point that it would mush out. I tighten them to a point that you can only see 2 threads of the kingpin sticking out or till the washers are intact and aren't clacking. Point is i just don't like it when the kingpin sticks out period. it's personal preference!

I like Ace, i just want them to be more durable than Indy's. If the next big "truck" company comes out. i hope it turns like Ace but last like indy's.

I'm referencing Matt Rodriguez since people nowadays go out of their way to get their trucks loose! i'm not going that route. Loose for me is when my turns are dipped easily without putting too much lean on the rails of the board. I also like full control of the board like driving a car without steering wheel fluid<<<personal preference
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on January 20, 2016, 02:17:56 AM
If you ride loose ACE and Khiro don't mix well due to the size yoke hole on the aces -  I was running red bottoms/blue tops and the hanger would just eat away at the bushing, too soft and too loose maybe?

Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.

thanks for the feedback. I prefer bones over anything but they fit too small for Ace's. I even tried putting 2 bottom bushings and they didn't work out due to the geometry of the truck. I find that if you put the bottom bushing on top with another bottom bushing below. the top part touches the hanger. if you use a top washer, it makes it even worse! because that washer will saw/embed itself into the hanger. I wanna try trimming the kingpin a little but idk what the right method will do. Bones do fit on Aces fine, i just don't like the way the kingpin sticks out. The redesign already has a lower kingpin compare to the original(with stock bushings) fyi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 20, 2016, 04:27:14 AM
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Khiro are great but I don't find them as snappy as bones or indy after markets.
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thanks for the feedback. I prefer bones over anything but they fit too small for Ace's. I even tried putting 2 bottom bushings and they didn't work out due to the geometry of the truck. I find that if you put the bottom bushing on top with another bottom bushing below. the top part touches the hanger. if you use a top washer, it makes it even worse! because that washer will saw/embed itself into the hanger. I wanna try trimming the kingpin a little but idk what the right method will do. Bones do fit on Aces fine, i just don't like the way the kingpin sticks out. The redesign already has a lower kingpin compare to the original(with stock bushings) fyi.

I was wondering if they were ever going to lower the kingpin.  it always seemed unnecessarily long and looked like they have less clearance than Indy or Thunder.

Anyone have a pic of the new kingpin clearance?  hard to find any shots of the redesigned truck online
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Post by: N.L. on January 20, 2016, 09:15:29 AM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/nc1mhx.jpg)

I'm guessing its the same, at about the height of the middle of the axle?
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Post by: Xtal on January 20, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Ace had a lower kingpin before the Stage 11 came out, Indy was just catching up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on January 21, 2016, 08:38:59 AM
beer getter> 129s / bones soft
old trusty> indy 149s / bones medium 
I also have a setup with ACE 55s. I seriously love them. The set I got came with super long kingpins though...like almost even with the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:51:14 AM
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2016, 07:19:50 AM
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.  The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.  If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.  The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.  If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Ok guys come on I'll nerd the fuck out with you over trucks and shit but worrying about hardware? As long as you use all eight bolts of the proper size and tighten it down securely you're fine. It's normal for the trucks to have the teeniest tiniest movement when you grab the hanger and try to turn the baseplate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 03:04:28 PM
^the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.� The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.� If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
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I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
Using a thin riser really helps the truck to board connection, the baseplate stays put, and its easier to get your bolts locked down tight with out cracking. Not sure why more people don't use them, they are pretty damn helpful imo, also just a thin riser makes huge difference if you ride loose trucks, it massively reduces wheel bite, especially key with wheels over 52-53
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
^the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I've never had that happen. I still don't think it would be enough to make your baseplate turn 90 degrees and leave you splattered on concrete though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 03:45:06 PM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?
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I tighten my hardware down to where it's just above flush with the grip tape.� The plastic on the nuts is what keeps everything tight so you need at least 2-3 threads of bolt showing above the nut.� If you do that and they are falling off still, that means you need new hardware.

If they are still rattling loose for some reason, you can put a drop of loctite on each nut before screwing them on
http://low.es/1nqyqMT (http://low.es/1nqyqMT)
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I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.
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Using a thin riser really helps the truck to board connection, the baseplate stays put, and its easier to get your bolts locked down tight with out cracking. Not sure why more people don't use them, they are pretty damn helpful imo, also just a thin riser makes huge difference if you ride loose trucks, it massively reduces wheel bite, especially key with wheels over 52-53

hm maybe I'll get some. I have some on my cruiser but haven't used them on my regular board in forever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
If you ride standard Indy highs with an 1/8" riser you'll be pretty high off the ground. It made me feel very disconnected from my board. 1/4" and 1/2" was unbearable. Only supposed to really use risers if you're going over 56mm wheels. Low or mid trucks with an 1/8" riser will be fine though. *Make sure you get hard plastic risers* The rubber ones will lose their thickness over time and cause your hardware to become loose. Rubber also makes nose/tailslides stickier.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 05:09:37 PM
Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.

where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 22, 2016, 05:19:46 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
I hated the stock bushings, ditched them after maybe 3 sessions. Put bones soft in for a month until they shredded. They were absurdly loose with the bones so I just went back to the stock bushings and actually really liked them. I must have been one session away from breaking them in before I gave up on them. Have been riding them with both washers, kingpin nut tightened flush for about 6 months. I say give them a few more sessions and see if they soften up enough for you.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 22, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 05:49:58 PM
OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?

Calm down dude, all bushings gotta break in! Give it a few more sessions.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 05:52:52 PM
There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 06:41:55 PM
I'll fish 'em out and give them another chance. Your reputation now hinges on my success with these trucks, matey.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 22, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.

thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 22, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
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OK truck nerds, please tell me the Ace bushings loosen up nicely when broken in? Nightmare session today, I couldn't get my 44s loose enough with the stock bushings... I was hoping to make these trucks work with stock parts...

What  bushings are everyone using in their Aces?
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I hated the stock bushings, ditched them after maybe 3 sessions. Put bones soft in for a month until they shredded. They were absurdly loose with the bones so I just went back to the stock bushings and actually really liked them. I must have been one session away from breaking them in before I gave up on them. Have been riding them with both washers, kingpin nut tightened flush for about 6 months. I say give them a few more sessions and see if they soften up enough for you.

Good to know. Its been a few years since I had new trucks as I've been rotating a a couple of pairs of nicely broken in trucks for awhile...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 22, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
I'll fish 'em out and give them another chance. Your reputation now hinges on my success with these trucks, matey.

I like how you described your process as "thrown these in the river" and "I'll fish 'em out". I actually envision you as Lee Ralph literally taking a fishing pole with a hook and worm trying to get some Ace's to bite. Crackin' me up dude...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 23, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
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thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
If you can't find those mini logo 1/10 risers, or want some that are even thinner, dooks makes a hard plastic 1/16 inch riser. They also make these things called silencers that are just a super thin piece of foam. They have both on socal
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 23, 2016, 08:04:06 AM
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Can't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure mine are a 10th of an inch, just keep in mind the holes for most risers are made to fit Indy's specs, thunder makes 1/8 inch ones, but if you want them a bit thinner, it will require some alterations to the holes to be perfectly squared up with the base plate.
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where did you get 1/10 risers? the thinnest I could find are 1/8.
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Mini-logo, after looking it up mine are definitely the 1/10, they are the hard rubber ones, which work really well for me, the rubber is really quite firm and once you tighten them the compression makes them pretty much as hard as the plastic ones, that's what I think anyway. I'd say definitely give them a shot if you want to keep your baseplate super locked in place, when I take my trucks off I have to really yank them to get them off the deck and stay in place even with all the bolts out.
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thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try some out.
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If you can't find those mini logo 1/10 risers, or want some that are even thinner, dooks makes a hard plastic 1/16 inch riser. They also make these things called silencers that are just a super thin piece of foam. They have both on socal

Radical. Thanks for the heads up. Gonna try all these out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...

Different strokes for different blokes!

ACE bushings are probably the second best stock bushings out there this side of Krux.

Krux bushings in Aces fit perfectly (Kurx pivot cups do not) as they are the same height, i.e. taller than most bottom barrels and conicals; even taller than indy but you can force them in indys and they work swimmingly.

feel amazing feeling, that's what's soo good about krux (other than the grinding, which is voodoo) the bushings are so damn good. Bones soft bottoms and krux tops also work well in thunders.

Thunders feel like crap to me out of the box, much too tight. For me to get thunders dialed I need bones softs or indy 88a conicals, anything else is too tight.

ACEs feel better than thunders out of the box but still not right as their bushings are around the same duro, 92/94.

Conicals in aces get them flooping around. Not a fan.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 23, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
i just put some smashed and squished, worn and torn old thunder top bushings (they are significantly shorter) in my aces with the stock ace bottoms. much better. slight rattle but very little wheel bite. i have some broken in krux bushings also but they are a tad hard for my taste.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 23, 2016, 11:04:33 AM
i just put some smashed and squished, worn and torn old thunder top bushings (they are significantly shorter) in my aces with the stock ace bottoms. much better. slight rattle but very little wheel bite. i have some broken in krux bushings also but they are a tad hard for my taste.



With that top Thunder bushing though, those Ace's look all ugly now. Use the broken in Krux top bushings if you need to since they're also white. Or better yet, man up and break in those Ace stocks, player!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 23, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
my thunder bushings are white. got a few sets, i always keep old bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 23, 2016, 12:34:39 PM
^ma nigguh
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 23, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
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There's no 'calm down' when it comes to new trucks.

Thunder feel good out of the box. Already thrown these Aces in the river and I'm back on my 151s...
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Different strokes for different blokes!

ACE bushings are probably the second best stock bushings out there this side of Krux.

Krux bushings in Aces fit perfectly (Kurx pivot cups do not) as they are the same height, i.e. taller than most bottom barrels and conicals; even taller than indy but you can force them in indys and they work swimmingly.

feel amazing feeling, that's what's soo good about krux (other than the grinding, which is voodoo) the bushings are so damn good. Bones soft bottoms and krux tops also work well in thunders.

Thunders feel like crap to me out of the box, much too tight. For me to get thunders dialed I need bones softs or indy 88a conicals, anything else is too tight.

ACEs feel better than thunders out of the box but still not right as their bushings are around the same duro, 92/94.

Conicals in aces get them flooping around. Not a fan.



man this thread got me thinking......i uasually skated thunders with bones mediums, top washer on, no bottom for a couple years. then i must have caught a bad set of bones bushings (medium too), that felt harder than hard bones bushings, so i decided to go with stock and i didn't regret it.

talking bout thunders being good right out the box is as confusing to me as calling them too hard- my last set i bought in august last year was some hollow lights and i kept the bushings as i said, tightened these fuckers flush and just tried to roll with it. first mile or so way too hard, but a little later they felt loose as hell and then set right in the middle without me doing stuff. still ride them perfectly medium ever since.

i feel like i ended this like a disney story in the manner of "and they lived happily ever after" now that i  read it again.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 24, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
This feels like the best spot to ask this and if I offend anyone I would like to apologize but...
Has anyone skated Destructo trucks recently?
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Post by: ZEBRA on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...

It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.
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Post by: Noble Experiment on January 25, 2016, 04:54:32 PM
This feels like the best spot to ask this and if I offend anyone I would like to apologize but...
Has anyone skated Destructo trucks recently?
I wasn't even aware they were still around..... Are they still around?
I had a set yeeeeeeaaaaars ago and I remember thinking that they felt just like Indys when it came to turning. If they're still anything like the set I had years ago then they're not bad at all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 25, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
There's this dude that kills it on tranny at my local park and he has some Destructo Mid's. I commented on how I haven't seen them in years and he said he loves them. I'm pretty sure they're more of a softer metal like Krux and Ace. Senn dogg was on Destructo for a long time but then went to Ace. They still got Saari I'm pretty sure.
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Post by: Xen on January 26, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
http://destructotrucks.com/ (http://destructotrucks.com/)
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Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on January 26, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
http://destructotrucks.com/ (http://destructotrucks.com/)

Saw those at the local shop. Hollow kingpin and all. Really well built i would say. They look like a techier indy to me. Also half the antiz team rides them and they rip so they cant be bad!

(http://www.lineupsurfshop.gr/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x1200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/e/destructo_truck_antiz_d2_5.25_mid_lite__raw_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 26, 2016, 01:37:47 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
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It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.

What  trucks do you have those softies in?
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Post by: ZEBRA on January 27, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
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Just bought some aftermarket Indy Soft bushings. The red ones. Love them. Only bushing I can ride. I'm a big guy and I ride medium to loose trucks. Anything harder crumbles.

What thinking about trying the super soft Indy bushings. They're white. Didn't even know they made those. White bushings would be a lot easier on the eyes.

Anybody ever had the white ones??
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Curious about those also. I use the reds and thought about mixing it up with the whites... let us know if you try em...
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It finally stopped raining today and I was actually off from work. Amazing. So, I got to finally test the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

They're awesome! No complaints. I thought I would have to work them in like most new bushings, but as I was skating around my little town, I completely forgot that I even had new bushings. Very responsive. I could actually feel the difference. My old red Indy bushings were a couple years old though, so not sure if they were even as responsive as they should've been.

Highly recommend the Super Soft white Indy bushings.

Only down fall I see to them is if you leave your skate in your car, they may get super soft during the summertime. But, no one should be leaving there shit in their car during the summer anyways. Bad for your shit, man.
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What  trucks do you have those softies in?

Independent's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on January 28, 2016, 06:37:39 AM
I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.



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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.

I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
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Post by: bbk on January 28, 2016, 06:49:47 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.

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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
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I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 08:28:50 AM
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 09:03:54 AM
has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......



Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deucifer on January 28, 2016, 09:18:02 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.

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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
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I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
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the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.

I've noticed this happening too if you're hardware is smaller than the holes in your deck/baseplate. If you have ever used Indy bolts, that shit is snug in your deck before you even tighten them. Anything other than shorty's or indy (that I have had) seems to be a little smaller and have some play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on January 28, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)

Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 28, 2016, 02:22:33 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...

Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on January 28, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Hard Luck's Good Times, Great Times, and Six Ball's all have extended races. I have a set of sixers still waiting to be opened and set up, I'm pretty stoked.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 28, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
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Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly

Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 29, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on January 29, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

My thunder bushings firmed up after a few sessions.  you know I don't ride loose but the white bushings with the nut flush worked for me on 149's once they broke in.  it was rough for the first couple days though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on January 30, 2016, 01:05:34 AM
Just setup some new Thunder ti 147s, and the stock white bushings are much softer than the translucent yellow ones that came with my last two sets of thunders (147 or 149s); so much so I get wheel bite just leaning with minimal effort while stationary on 51mm wheels.

I'll get to skate them this weekend and see if I can stick with them or resort to bones, either soft/soft or med bottoms and soft tops (probably med/soft as the soft/soft is just too floopy).

they just seem softer in the beginning but after rolling for two hours they went pretty hard and next session were perfect and the same hardness- at least i did not notice any difference!

i remember bmc steve saying on here that the duro on the yellow ones is different than on the white ones though!?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on January 30, 2016, 01:17:58 AM
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I like the hardware on my trucks really tight so the baseplates don't move around when I skate. In the past I've also had nuts rattle off so I'm left with only a bolt. What's the best way to get your hardware really tight without causing premature stress cracks in the deck?

I have 7/8 hardware that are tightened flush. Still get a bit of baseplate movement but not sure if anything can be done. Just a native feature of skateboards. Was wondering if there are any special tricks to prevent it.

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the thing that sucks about it is over time your bolt holes get all huge and loose like camel toe.
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I have the same concern. I had to replace my last set of Indys (granted they lasted 2 years) because of this problem. Is it from loose or over-tightened hardware? or both? Maybe I need to replace my bolts more often.
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the hardware is too loose, making the baseplate move around and that damages the holes.
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I've noticed this happening too if you're hardware is smaller than the holes in your deck/baseplate. If you have ever used Indy bolts, that shit is snug in your deck before you even tighten them. Anything other than shorty's or indy (that I have had) seems to be a little smaller and have some play.

Thanks, thought so. On my new set I make sure to tighten them after every session or two. Before I would leave the bolts alone until I noticed one was loose. I've got a whole box of Shorty's Lights, so I should be good with this set of trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 30, 2016, 07:18:57 AM
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has anyone ever come up with something like a bike hub....I ride spacers....washers.....everything you are suppose to and it'd be sick if you just tightened up your wheels nice and tight and they ran freely without having to back off the nut and then keep an eye on it......


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Yup, so the new Bones Race Reds are exactly that. Spacers and watchers built in by extending the race.  There are a few other companies out there doing it as well.  It makes the whole separate spacer/washer thing seem ancient

(http://www.valleyskateandsurf.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/racing-reds.jpg)
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Wow!!! These must be new?? Never heard of these.

I've got Super Reds right now. Hand-me-downs from a friend and they're like 3-4 years old.

What are the benefits of spacers?? Never understood what they were for...
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Yup, they've only been out for a couple months.  There are a few other brands that have been making the same thing for years but they were targeted to the longboard community.

spacers essentially allow you to fully tighten down your wheel and allow them to handle more torsional load without failing.  this is why longboarders can go 50mph carving without their bearing cages exploding. 

The same principle applies for street skating with powerslides, reverts and pretty much anytime you don't land perfectly
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Yeah..I had seen those on really old toy store set ups....ill have to grab a set.....

Longboarding got into all the kooky bushing profiles too.....
I get how you don't need spacers with these(don't use them anyway), but how do you not need washers?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on January 30, 2016, 09:45:41 AM
The sleeve protrudes outside the bearing on both sides.....the way I see it is the nut never puts pressure on the parts that should move ie the bearing and wheel....so they can run freely.....

I'm gonna try these....prolly next time I set up a board....ill let you guys know....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2016, 10:38:07 AM
They'll work as well as any other bearing with builtins (Zealous Seismic, Route, Bilitin, etc.); the biggest concern, if it matters to you, is that they are significantly heavier than a standard bearing set w/spaces and washers. I own set of Zeaouls and Seismic 6-ball and the seismics are heavy in hand; I use them on my cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on January 30, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.

hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on February 05, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
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Lol I've rode every truck out there that's worth buying (Krux not yet), even Thunders and they definitely aren't good right out of the box especially with those shitty stock bushings. If you're really that impatient try some softer bushings in the Ace's. You're nuts if you're going to completely disregard them after one session.
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hate to say it but Xtal was right. couple of sessions deep and the ace stock bushings are money. yes, they are harder than the bushing i usually ride in thunders and indys but when the trucks respond and turn like ace that's just fine.

Told you fool!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 06, 2016, 03:27:27 PM
Jumping on the bandwagon to give them a shot

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160206_144754_zpsomtxgrw6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160206_144754_zpsomtxgrw6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 06, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 06, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

So far I set them up with the but flush and swapped the pivot cups for khiro softs. Had a quick flat ground session in the garage and they felt great.  I'll be able to get a full day on them tomorrow to really feel them out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 06, 2016, 04:37:59 PM
ha ha... Steve, yeah. still digging my 44s. so far no apparent axle bending. pivot cups are just fine also.  

what i really like is, the lack of wheel bite even with rattle loose trucks. thunders and indy usually require me to use risers but i forgo risers on my aces and although i have wheel rub marks, i'm not getting thrown off on sloppy landings. maybe its the angle of the jangle?

What size/shape wheels are you riding?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 06, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 07, 2016, 06:54:21 AM
I'm so disappointed in you Steve.

you and me both, bud
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 07, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
Krux k4s. Never riding anything else.

58mm Spitfire f4 classics, worn down to about 56/55mm.

Nice. I can't fuck with wheels that big. I have a set of 56mm soft D'd on a hammer and I feel like I need 1/4" risers.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 08, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 08, 2016, 10:20:55 AM
I had the same problem. Stock bushings feel very hard- they do get better but I had to put a Thunder top bushing on to loosen them up enough.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xtal on February 08, 2016, 10:31:46 AM
Leave the trucks alone, especially the pivot cups. Break them in stock. Patience...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2016, 06:25:48 PM
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lately I've been having a problem with one of my trucks. on one side only, the outer bearing keeps slowly coming out of the wheel. I've tried cleaning my bearings and rotating them. the wheels are new too so I'm thinking something is wrong with the axle of my truck. it's really strange. anyone know what causes this and how to fix it?
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Maybe bearing seat(I think its called, hole either way) is defective on that side?. Especially if its been happening since you put the new wheels on

Pretty sure now my axle is bent. It's happening with again with my new set of Spitfires. That's three different sets of wheels. Does this axle look bent to you guys?

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2dgndc8.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: zippy z on February 08, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
Nope. That axle in the fg and the wheel in the bg look fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on February 09, 2016, 12:46:57 AM
I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.

Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on February 09, 2016, 12:54:33 AM
Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.

When did you last have new trucks? I could barely roll on a board with thunders after riding aces for a few months, give it a few days.. The stock bushings are great when they're broken in so leave them in there.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 06:11:36 AM
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Spent yesterday skating the Ace 44's and I must be missing something. 

I loosened them up about 1/2 turn from stock and replaced the harder Ace pivot cups with Khiro soft but the trucks did not feel how everyone always describes them.

I expected an almost cartoonish, deep, surfy turn and what ended up happening was tic tacking around trying to carve in bowls.

I had to loosen them up 2 turns past having the nut flush just to get any sort of decent turning radius.

You can't expect trucks to be perfect on the first day but this was the opposite of everything I thought they would be.  I got a deeper turn out of Venture's.
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When did you last have new trucks? I could barely roll on a board with thunders after riding aces for a few months, give it a few days.. The stock bushings are great when they're broken in so leave them in there.

WAY too often  :D

Spent an hour last night just cruising on the Ace's with the KP nut only hand tight and it was OK.  got home and tightened them a half turn and I could barely turn again.  Took the ace bushings out (they are indeed hard as all hell) and put some Krux bushings in and the trucks performed wonderfully.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 09, 2016, 06:23:57 AM
Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them

They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 09, 2016, 12:55:36 PM
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Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
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They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
How much?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
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Your endorsement makes me want to try them, I know your an all washers kinda guy but the stock bushings might feel better without the bottom ones, then again I think all trucks feel better without them
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They will likely be in the classifieds section for a really good deal tonight haha

People love them so I thought I'd give them a shot but they just aren't working out for me.  The plus side is that the quality of the trucks is superb
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How much?

I was talked into hanging on to them for a bit longer.  I'm going to put 3-4 more sessions on them.  if they still aren't working for me, I'll post them up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!

Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 08:47:39 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all

Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 09, 2016, 09:01:13 PM
Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!

I'm 190-200 pounds and usually use thunders 149s/ 151s with an 1/8th riser. i ride them loose with stock (broken-in-to-shit) bushings with 56mm wheels and get wheel rub but rarely enough to fuck me up. a lot of it has to do with how your truck lines up with the deck's concave also. thats why i ride trucks slightly wider than my boards as this pushes the wheels further out to where the concave bends steeper. make sense?  maybe i'm full of it... (indy bushings are fine in thunders.)

as for ace. the sizes are indeed frustrating. but 44s are a good substitute for 149s. they come with really thick washers that you can use to push your wheels out a bit.  i hope they make a size between 44s and 55s one day.

krux are also really good and super light.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 09:18:32 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's turn too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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I'm 190-200 pounds and usually use thunders 149s/ 151s with an 1/8th riser. i ride them loose with stock (broken-in-to-shit) bushings with 56mm wheels and get wheel rub but rarely enough to fuck me up. a lot of it has to do with how your truck lines up with the deck's concave also. thats why i ride trucks slightly wider than my boards as this pushes the wheels further out to where the concave bends steeper. make sense?  maybe i'm full of it... (indy bushings are fine in thunders.)

as for ace. the sizes are indeed frustrating. but 44s are a good substitute for 149s. they come with really thick washers that you can use to push your wheels out a bit.  i hope they make a size between 44s and 55s one day.

krux are also really good and super light.

Thanks for your feedback, as well. I'm usually at 200lbs, but during winter I usually gain ten pounds or so. I'm probably at 210lbs right now. Reading your experience with Thunder gives me hope I can ride them. I'd most likely be going 149s with an 8.5. Trucks any wider than my board would be weird for me. I could live with trucks slightly narrower than my deck, though. It seems Ace and Krux offering that 8.25 axle actually filled that void for a lot of people. All truck companies should offer that size in my opinion.

Part of me wants to slim down my board a bit, go down to an 8.25 and see how much it lightens up the load along with some narrower trucks and smaller wheels, but I haven't decided. I've been riding 8.5 for years.

I also still can't get over that hole Krux has. I know it also opens bottles which is cool, but I don't know...they just seem kinda odd. Thunders have a nice sleek design without any bs. I think the Krux bushings in them could make for a really good performing truck. Thunder stocks and aftermarkets appear to all be conical, so a medium durometer cylinder like the Krux bushings should reduce the wheel bite and still allow them to turn well. That's my theory anyway.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 09, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
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Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?

THe thunder bushings and yoke are unique and only truly fit thunder bushings.  Krux or other barrel bottom bushings will not work.  the aftermarket thunders are great.  if you're 200lbs, id recommend the 100a blacks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
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Oh man finally other people that obsess over their gear like me haha.

I've been thinking way too much about trucks lately and I would value some others' opinions. Do you guys think Thunder's are out of the question if you're on the heavier side and like loose trucks? Thought about buying some polished hi's and throwing some aftermarket bushings in 'em but I always ride 54mm wheels and I'm worried I may get killer wheelbite. I know I could go down to maybe a 52mm wheel but I feel like that will be too small for my liking and slow me down. I really don't want to use risers either.

I've read a lot about Ace's but I don't think I'll ever try them until they make an 8.5 axle. So, I've been thinking either Thunder or Krux? Indy's are just too slow for me no matter what bushings I've tried.


edit: I forgot to ask...will standard size cylinder or conical bushings fit in Thunder Hi's? Their "Hi" is pretty much a low truck so I'm not sure if it would require a "low" bushing. Thanks!
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Thunders are more prone to wheelbite than any other "hi" truck but if you get the cast team baseplate model and their aftermarket bushings (i would only recommend thunder bushings in thunder trucks) they will be fine.  Depending on how heavier you are, the 95a or 100a bushings in the thunder rebuild kit will work

However, if you want a great turn with no wheelbite, Krux are the way to go.  you can skate up to 56mm wheel without risers and not worry about wheelbite at all
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Thanks for the feedback. The Thunder standard team hi's were the ones I was looking at, yeah. I've never messed with hollows or forged baseplates. Why do you only recommend Thunder aftermarket bushings? I thought of maybe putting those Krux aftermarket bushings in them and since they're cylinders they seemed like a good solution, no?
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THe thunder bushings and yoke are unique and only truly fit thunder bushings.  Krux or other barrel bottom bushings will not work.  the aftermarket thunders are great.  if you're 200lbs, id recommend the 100a blacks

Hmm...well both of you are saying two different things. If it's true that only Thunder aftermarkets will work, I think 100a would be waaaay too hard. I've tried Bones hards in Indy's before and they didn't turn at all even with the kingpin nut almost falling off. And those were 96a durometer.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 09, 2016, 10:56:56 PM
When someone gets a chance....can they break down truck performance to a few basic terms.....I know it's a bit subjective but 'turn great!' Can mean a ton of shit.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 09, 2016, 11:10:56 PM
Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!

Thanks for the info dude! Since I'm heavier, I think 88a conicals would definitely result in some pretty bad wheelbite for me, especially when Thunder Hi's are only around 52.3mm tall. Kinda bummed that the Krux bushings won't fit Thunder's, too. Looks like I'm pretty much stuck with buying Krux trucks at this point, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I just kinda wanted Thunders more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 04:14:34 AM
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Indy concical fit thunders like a champ, they are the exact same size. The 88a red atermarket indys get thunders carvey.

Krux bushing fit ACE perfectly (same height at ACE) and are amazing in them.

That said, I rode some 8.25" K4s this past weekend and had a blast. Light and turny!
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Thanks for the info dude! Since I'm heavier, I think 88a conicals would definitely result in some pretty bad wheelbite for me, especially when Thunder Hi's are only around 52.3mm tall. Kinda bummed that the Krux bushings won't fit Thunder's, too. Looks like I'm pretty much stuck with buying Krux trucks at this point, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I just kinda wanted Thunders more.

again, if you want thunders and are concerned about wheelbite, get the black thuner 100a bushings.  zero percent chance you will get wheelbite with those.  I've literally tried every aftermarket bushing thunder makes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 10, 2016, 08:01:28 AM
I would just avoid thunders altogether if you're worried about wheel bite. Get the krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 10, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.

Cool man.  I can't imagine Krux wouldn't work out for you.  I haven't heard of anyone getting the Krux K4's and disliking them.  I had a couple pairs before, sold them and recently bought another pair because after skating Indy and Thunder this past year I really missed the Krux.

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Post by: Main on February 10, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
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The problem with those 100a Thunder bushings is I know they aren't going to allow me to turn for shit. If I were to get Thunder aftermarkets I'd probably go for those white 90a ones. They'd be better than the stock ones but I'd probably still get a lot of bite since they're softer. I hate how the 92a-94a ones are funky colors with Thunder and Indy. Just make 'em white yo! Anyway, thanks a lot for all your feedback. Krux it is...

I'm still debating on slimming my board down from an 8.5 to an 8.25. I'm 5'10" with a 10.5 shoe. Hoping that quarter inch difference won't make me lose stability, as I've been used to 8.5's for as long as I can remember. I suck at flip tricks, just a lot of transition, slappies, and manuals.
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Cool man.  I can't imagine Krux wouldn't work out for you.  I haven't heard of anyone getting the Krux K4's and disliking them.  I had a couple pairs before, sold them and recently bought another pair because after skating Indy and Thunder this past year I really missed the Krux.



Right on man, glad you found a truck that works for you. I think they're the most important component of a set up. You could have shitty wheels and bearings, an old board with razor tail, but as long as you have some good trucks that turn...life is good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on February 10, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
Thanks for testing every stuff for us, Steve !
i'm an indy user for years, but i'll try these 8.25 krux if i have the opportunity
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 10, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Thanks for testing every stuff for us, Steve !
i'm an indy user for years, but i'll try these 8.25 krux if i have the opportunity


No prob!  I'm glad some people around Slap can find this stuff beneficial.  None of it applies for everyone but I'm always hoping that someone could learn from my testing and try something new or save their money.

Definitely pick up some Krux if you ever have a chance.  They can be had for under $30 on tactics.com which is insane considering how great they are

I'll have some updates regarding my Ace testing coming this weekend.  Different kingpin, bushings, etc :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 11, 2016, 12:30:52 PM
If NHS ever make an 8.25 Hollow forged Downlow, I'll be a lifer...lo and light like Thunders, turny like ACE & Indy...or just an 8.25 forged ti indy ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
I noticed that Bones are now including separate metal top washers with all their bushings now. Too lazy to post a pic but if you look it up you'll see.
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Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
you could in theory run them correctly now (not as pictured) -


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/bones_zpsxm071xr9.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/bones_zpsxm071xr9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 11, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
Trying to make moves, after people realized the plastic shit was a gimmick, aftermarket Indies and Thunders are far superior.
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Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
Trying to make moves, after people realized the plastic shit was a gimmick, aftermarket Indies and Thunders are far superior.

Amen to that.

Funny enough, Shorty's had been working on developing this for the last year https://www.instagram.com/p/6Q7IhNnyln/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/6Q7IhNnyln/)  

Even calling Bones out - https://www.instagram.com/p/t3pH25HyqY/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/t3pH25HyqY/)

The Shorty's version didn't contain any plastic though, just the carbon steel washer on the top
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 11, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
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I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
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Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).

Thanks for this tip. I tried what you said and have skated a couple times since then and no problems so far. I've always wiped my axles with a paper towel but never properly cleaned and oiled them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 11, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?


The 149 and 151 (8.5 and 8.75) we redesigned after the 147 (8.0) was.  they increased the height for those two models and have no immediate plans to redesign the 147 any time soon
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 11, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
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So just for shits I was looking at info on Thunders today and found a chart that shows the differences in height.

8.0 "Polished Hi's"- 49.78
8.5 & 8.75 "Polished Hi's"- 52.3  <----these are not even the height of a mid...

Why the fuck does Thunder make two different heights for a regular cast base plate high? No matter what size axle you're buying in an Indy, the height for the standard highs always stays the same, as it should. Also, the difference between a standard "hi" and "lo" Thunder is 1.48mm. Why would they even make a low at that point?

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The 149 and 151 (8.5 and 8.75) we redesigned after the 147 (8.0) was.  they increased the height for those two models and have no immediate plans to redesign the 147 any time soon

It makes sense that they increased the height of the 149 and 151's but it should be at 53.5 at least, not 52.3.

Then at the same time it doesn't make sense to me that they decrease the height the smaller the width of the trucks get while they keep calling it a high. Or just the fact that they call their highs "hi" in general, as they're all essentially low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on February 12, 2016, 08:08:01 AM
Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 12, 2016, 08:15:36 AM
Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
Assuming you have Indy trucks, Indy's last wayyyy longer, turn much better, fit properly, better in every way basically.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on February 12, 2016, 08:44:29 AM
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Could anyone explain to me the difference better bones bushings and Indy bushings? Any pros/cons? Trying to decide between bones hard or Indy hards.
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Assuming you have Indy trucks, Indy's last wayyyy longer, turn much better, fit properly, better in every way basically.

I have Indy 149 hollows. Thanks for the info. Sold me on going with the indys. I'll save the bones for another time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
100% urethane bushings just feel better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on February 12, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
100% urethane bushings just feel better.
This too
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on February 12, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
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I think you're right. I tried putting something with a right angle against it and it lined up correctly. This is really bizarre. I have no idea why but the outer bearing on my wheel keeps slowly coming out on that one axle only.
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Is your axle rusted? Doesn't look too bad, but still consider it. This happened on an old pair of stage 9's I had once. Took me awhile to figure out. My axle was so rusted that side to side movement of my wheels sitting on it, was really chalky. The friction was causing my bearing to pull out a bit, all the time. I just used some citrus cleaner on my axle to wipe away dirt/rust and swathed it lightly with bearing lube after, then it stopped happening.

If not, maybe you lubed the bearing up too much after you cleaned them? To the point where the ring keeps slipping out of its bearing seat. This happened to me on some sml wheels I had once (the ones with the black plastic core).
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Thanks for this tip. I tried what you said and have skated a couple times since then and no problems so far. I've always wiped my axles with a paper towel but never properly cleaned and oiled them.

Hell yeah, glad it worked for ya. Citrus solvent is the best for cleaning trucks/bearings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 12, 2016, 01:06:18 PM
Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.

Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 12, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well

nice. let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 12, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.

It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 13, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
That's some mighty fine kingpin clearance.
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Post by: N.L. on February 13, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.
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It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)

Did you have to use anything to hold the kingpin in place?

Sidenote, finally had a quick session in a bowl and a pool this morning. holy shit the way they handle roundwall totally negates everything else. i might be a convert...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
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Just dug through my box of spare skate shit and found some old krux bushings. so old they look more black than white. anyway, threw them in my 44s and yes, good shit. i think with the key with aces is that you can get away with riding harder bushing that what you might usually run and still get a great turn.
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Totally agree.  I'm putting a Krux downlow kingpin and Krux bushings on my aces tomorrow. 

I've been skating my Krux K4's this week and I find them to be absolutely perfect but I'm stoked to try this combo on some Ace's as well
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nice. let us know how it goes.
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It works like a champ:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-74Mz9oPrnec/VfjHkt89KGI/AAAAAAAAbq8/jgVVIOnJw98/s800-Ic42/IMAG0085.jpg)
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Did you have to use anything to hold the kingpin in place?

Sidenote, finally had a quick session in a bowl and a pool this morning. holy shit the way they handle roundwall totally negates everything else. i might be a convert...

Nope. I ride stock/loose on most trucks, with this setup I just held the nut in place with my thumb until it caught then tightened as much as I could. Main issue is that you can't tighten or losen really once mounted unless you wedge or glue the nut (small price to pay honestly), also, there is only so much tightening room as the pin will eventually touch the deck if you crank your shit down.

Yeah, ACEs are pretty much untouchable in tight corners if you like fast carve, Indys can but it's just a diferent feel, it's like riding thunder or indys on street, indy you have to plan your lean, thunders you can sort of twitch it; ACEs allow you to twitch carve and save your ass ;) Krux come really close compared to Indy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 13, 2016, 02:00:27 PM
rad. might have to try it at some point... now to order some copper 55s with the redesign if i can find them...

the other thing about aces, you can get a super responsive turn without that sketchy speed wobble feel you might have on other trucks, when you're trying to achieve the same turning sensation...

i don't know... made in china,bending axles, blown out pivots cups, none of happened on mine but even if they did that turning sensation in bowls/pools would still make it worth it... even in the street they feel great, stable when you want them to be, responsive when you need them to be. i'm eating humble pie right now, after being a naysayer for so long... ::)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 13, 2016, 08:15:49 PM
Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: essal on February 13, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
I've been riding my Thunder 149 Hollow Hi (?) for a year with cracked bushings, and if I could just get a new set of wheels on them I'd keep riding them for longer. Never been into the details of my trucks, so this thread is an interesting read.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2016, 10:29:14 PM
Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)

What, no mag plates? ;)

Nut looks like a nice tight fit, any movement?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 06:16:07 AM
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Thanks to Xen for the inspiration on this

I finally got around to the kingpin mod today.  the stock ones came out with just few wacks, the downlow KP, krux bushings and khiro pivot cups all fit perfectly

The clearance is amazing as you can see.  almost no chance of ever hanging up.  Looking forward to skating them tomorrow!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183719_zpssbzbgems.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183744_zpsm2yyuobj.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160213_183728_zpssmy2rgfn.jpg.html)
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What, no mag plates? ;)

Nut looks like a nice tight fit, any movement?

haha yeah I didnt want to shell out on the mag baseplates in case they dont work out for me.  The kingpin is really snug with almost no movement at all.  oddly enough it has a tighter fit in the Ace baseplates than the Krux
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 08:56:58 AM
So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on February 14, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
Does anybody know what the best speed washers are to use?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on February 14, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?

they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit

Haha for sure thanks man.
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on February 14, 2016, 11:30:55 AM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
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Haha for sure thanks man.

i skimmed over the part where you wrote that your local doesnt carry em. can you not get your shop to order some in at your request? if not can you not just get some online? i know people preach loyalty to the local but if they dont have something you want then whats the big deal about going elsewhere? especially when its for something small and specific like bushings
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Post by: Main on February 14, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
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So I think I'm gonna go all out and buy one set of Krux and one set of Thunder Hi's just to test out which ones I like better. I'm thinking of throwing Bones hards in the Thunders because my local shops don't carry Thunder aftermarket bushings. Do Bones bushings work fine in Thunders? If so, should I not use the bottom washer but keep the top one on?
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they work fine but dont fit quite right. not flush. use aftermarket thunder/indy bushings instead, bones are overpriced pieces of shit
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Haha for sure thanks man.
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i skimmed over the part where you wrote that your local doesnt carry em. can you not get your shop to order some in at your request? if not can you not just get some online? i know people preach loyalty to the local but if they dont have something you want then whats the big deal about going elsewhere? especially when its for something small and specific like bushings

It's mainly me being impatient. My local shops have excellent selection and usually have what I need. Just some little things they don't keep a steady stock of. They could order that stuff but I never like going that route, cause if I'm gonna order something I want it direct to my door, not to the shop where I have to make an extra trip. I'm not opposed to ordering online, SoCal and Skate Warehouse rule.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
Does anybody know what the best speed washers are to use?

I can't tell you if they're better or worse than any other brand but If I need to replace a bent or lost speed ring, i always replace them with Khiro's http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3956 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3956)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 14, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
does the smoother rounded side go against your bearing or against the truck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 14, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
does the smoother rounded side go against your bearing or against the truck?

The smoother side of a speed ring goes against your truck and the axle nut.  that little ridge actually locks into the bearing although I think it's a byproduct of when the rings are press-cut. 

Not all speed rings have it though and honestly i cant imagine it really makes a difference other than I've noticed when the ridged edge is against your truck it tens to cut into the hanger and stick to it when you do wheel swaps
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 15, 2016, 12:43:40 AM
i did notice it gets stuck to your hangar but wasnt sure that it would be better off stuck to my bearing, or if it even would. thanks, ill adjust accordingly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: smellsdead on February 15, 2016, 06:55:42 AM
typical setup 149 indys all stock, loosen a half turn. i do the quarter turn per week for a month with bushings, to even out the wear.
gotta have wheel jiggle, no spacers. usually 53-54 mm classic f4s with an 8.25-8.5
i used to run risers on all my boards, up to a quarter inch at times. never affected my pop nor tricks, still got wheelbite.
2015 was the first year in a long time i ran a board with no risers and it made no difference.
i love the weight of solid trucks. i do have hollow axle thunders but theyre 147s so thats a lil skinny for my taste, havent seen much action.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 15, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on February 15, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
Setup a used 8.25 that my friend gave me with some Thunder 149's last night. The 8.25/149 combo is seriously the best combo I've ever ridden. For a while I would only skate 149's on 8.38 and up, but they feel so good on an 8.25. Also the thunder 149s with no bottom washer turns so well. Really loose, but still a decent amount of stability.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dengles on February 15, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
I always refused to skate anything but stock bushing up until a week ago, I threw some bones mediums into my 159s still keeping them just about finger tight.  I also removed the bottom washer.  So fucking good I was moron for holding out for all these years. 
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Post by: Stanley Spadowski on February 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 15, 2016, 02:25:03 PM
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Who is that a response to?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 15, 2016, 08:39:20 PM
BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?

I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 15, 2016, 11:13:20 PM
fwiw, thunder plates hold the nut in place like krux plates do.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Scott/Howard on February 16, 2016, 05:21:31 AM
Stock and looser than they come.
(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah250/scotthoward213/9edabdcf-a274-4c70-94fe-ac0dd303accd_zpswjyr1z6h.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 16, 2016, 09:46:29 AM
i did notice it gets stuck to your hangar but wasnt sure that it would be better off stuck to my bearing, or if it even would. thanks, ill adjust accordingly.

I wondered/hated that they got stuck, now I know why, never knew it!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 19, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on February 19, 2016, 11:29:12 PM
Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 20, 2016, 12:38:20 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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Post by: ducky darnsworth on February 20, 2016, 12:42:20 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
no problem man.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 06:36:47 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.

So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 20, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on February 20, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

I'm good with my koston indys but your set-up pics got me hyped on Krux.. Thought about trying them when i'll need new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 20, 2016, 08:00:24 PM
I think worst case scenario w. Indys.....over rated.....worst case...
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Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

Skating with me isn't helping anyone  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2016, 10:33:19 PM
I got my Indy and thunder forged pins out without baking, did you guys wear aprons and use baking sheets and pot holders? ;)

Parking block (plate down, pin over the hole), hammer, foot holding down, block of wood over the nut... Trick is to screw the nut on so it's a hair below flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 20, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
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BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
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I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
Probably going to lower the kingpin on them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 20, 2016, 11:16:36 PM
I got my Indy and thunder forged pins out without baking, did you guys wear aprons and use baking sheets and pot holders? ;)

Parking block (plate down, pin over the hole), hammer, foot holding down, block of wood over the nut... Trick is to screw the nut on so it's a hair below flush.


True story  - I did use pot holders and I had them on the baking rack next to a pork tenderloin
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 21, 2016, 04:23:44 AM
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I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.
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I'm good with my koston indys but your set-up pics got me hyped on Krux.. Thought about trying them when i'll need new trucks.
I love my Indy titanium 149s but bought into the krux hype with these fools. Only skated them once so far but they felt fine. Like lighter Indys without the break in time. I don't see me getting rid of either trucks since I have two setups and since the krux skated so well out the gate. Give em a shot, they are super cheap and I don't think you'll be disappointed.  
Edit: I ride my Indys with aftermarket orange bushings but don't think I'll need to make any adjustment on the krux as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 07:49:27 AM
I skated nothing but ventures for almost 20 years. 5 years ago I decided to switch it up and got some stage 10s. Since then I've spent hundreds of dollars riding trucks for a month then realizing I should just be riding Indys. It's insane. I thought krux were the end of it, but I feel a pressure in my brain, that if I don't buy some 159s tomorrow for this tranny set up, my head is going to burst. It's all I can think about. I should just get an Indy tattoo, then my neurosis wouldn't let me ride anything else. Skating with Steve doesn't help either.

Haha, I feel you man. I think maybe it just has to do with norms? I mean, when are you going to see some gnarly ass dude shredding tranny in Krux or Ventures? Unless it's Louie Barletta...he gets down on tranny pretty good with his Krux. But I think it's just one of those unspoken rules within the skate community that doing certain things makes certain set-ups acceptable. Tranny=Indy, Ace... Thunder may be acceptable.

Street=I guess pretty much any truck could be acceptable for street. So maybe it's just tranny laws haha. I know this is all really lame but I think it's true. Maybe there are legitimate reasons, Indy does handle really well in pools and transition. I think Thunder's would be kinda weird with the way they turn. At the end of the day it's about what you like, not some protocol of the elder's of hesh law. I haven't pulled the trigger on trying Krux or Thunder's again, still rocking Indy's. They are without a doubt damn good trucks. Just turn a little slow.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 07:51:48 AM
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BMCSteve, I noticed you posted on your Instagram the picture of your Ace's with the downlow kingpin in them, and Joey's response was "stay tuned". I wonder what Ace has in store?
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I was wondering that as well.  Like I mentioned, they would just need to make the baseplate hole to match a kingpin bolt so you can tighten them on the board and you're all set
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Probably going to lower the kingpin on them

I think you're right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2016, 11:44:18 AM
Rumor has it that Krux are based off Stage II Indys - having skated every stage and own XI and Krux, they feeling is soo similar, yet Krux, like ACE, are snappier with turns compared to Indy. My only issue with all three is they feel so high (I like Thunder height). Regular Krux are lighter than Indys and arguably turn just as well (their pivot cups are a little odd, they are really deep and deform oddly, like the turn is very side to side); cheaper too. Throw in the downlow pin and they are lighter than TI Indys.

I watched the Bondi event last night; everyone was riding indy except for McClain and maybe one or two others?

Tons of dudes ride Thunders that shred bowls, Cody lockwood, the Millers, Perelson.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 21, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
Picked up some 159 forged hollows for $42 out the door. I really krux, but I'm riding a 9.2" board and the 8.5" krux were too narrow for me on this thing.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 21, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
Rumor has it that Krux are based off Stage II Indys - having skated every stage and own XI and Krux, they feeling is soo similar, yet Krux, like ACE, are snappier with turns compared to Indy. My only issue with all three is they feel so high (I like Thunder height). Regular Krux are lighter than Indys and arguably turn just as well (their pivot cups are a little odd, they are really deep and deform oddly, like the turn is very side to side); cheaper too. Throw in the downlow pin and they are lighter than TI Indys.

I watched the Bondi event last night; everyone was riding indy except for McClain and maybe one or two others?

Tons of dudes ride Thunders that shred bowls, Cody lockwood, the Millers, Perelson.

Nice I wasn't aware of many bowl shredders that skate Thunder. That's rad. I feel like Thunders would be too low for a bigger dude like me. That's mainly why I've avoided them. I'll probably end up just sticking with Indy lol.
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Post by: Crow T. Robot on February 21, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.
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Post by: BMCsteve on February 21, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.

I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose
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Post by: Crow T. Robot on February 22, 2016, 12:01:44 AM
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Haven't looked at this thread in a while but it feels like Im seeing nothing but downlow kingpins. For those that have used them, would you be able to let your trucks wobble with these kingpins? I feel like it would end up loosening the kingpin and it would shake around instead, which I have had happen before.
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I think the only trucks with a downlow kingpin that will wobble with stock (non shaved/sanded) bushings are Krux. You won't be able to get them loose enough on ace or Indy with stock height bushings if you skate Matt Rodriguez loose
Ive got Indy's with shaved/low top bushings. They get really eroded to the point where its too loose and the bushing can come off with out taking the kingpin nut and washer off. To deal with this I've been periodically swapping bushings and kingpin bolts before it gets too bad. The real issue is that my trucks are down to the axle and its either wobbly with a kingpin that sticks out, or too tight and terrible turns with trucks that can smith. Kinda of been in truck crisis, went through a few bolts and stripped a kingpin the past few weeks. Think i found a decent medium recently, and I might try to just glue the bolts in and hope it lasts.

I would be interested to know if the anyone has skated wobbly trucks with low kingpins, might try it for myself.

edit: its 10-40 degrees where I live so my shit feels little off every session depending temp so i really just want something that will last till april or may.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 23, 2016, 08:26:35 AM
i do this often. 159s on an 8.5.... brings your wheels further out the deck. seems to reduce wheel bite a bit and i like the turn better. i def like it better for grinds especially on curbs and pool coping. disclaimer i'm old and mainly skate tranny and low-impact curb stuff....

in saying that, i currently have 44s on a 8.75". so i'm full of shit, really.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 23, 2016, 08:37:56 AM
I notice a lot of skaters are rockin' trucks slightly wider than their deck. Many go with 149's even if they're skating 8.25"-8.38". I've always thought if I go down from an 8.5" I would want to go down to 147s so my axle nuts aren't sticking out when I look down. Other than stability from a wider truck, what about grinds? Wouldn't a 149 cause you to slip back and forth on a grind more than a 147 since there's not as wide of a surface? Are 147s kinda too small for transition? My random truck nerd thoughts of the day...

in terms of locking into grinds the ideal deck width to truck ratio would be having the outer edge of the wheels flush with the edge of the board.  This is what you get when you have 8.5" trucks on an 8.25" deck.  

I've found that if my board is significantly wider (8.38" deck with 8" trucks) I tend to miss a lot of grinds and find myself over popping on ledges.  

If your board is significantly skinnier (8" deck with 8.5" trucks) it's a lot harder to lock in because you don't have the same leverage.

All that being said, I generally skate 8.38 and 8.5 decks with 8.5 trucks.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
Thanks for the reply bros. Makes more sense to me now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 23, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
Meant to say wheelbite not base
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on February 23, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
149's on an 8.25 is perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
That's it! I'm trying an 8.25 damnit!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 23, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 23, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
Don't under estimate how dumb it looks and it may drive you mental......

On the other side....The over deck, under truck can enhance no pop nollie heels......

You may be right. Especially with my attention to detail and OCD.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P

thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
My only real issue with Thunders on tranny is having to use super soft bushings, either bones softs or Khiro 73a (much to sooft, they get destroyed after two or three sessions) and with bones, having to crank them down so they don't just mush out when turning; I ride loose (not jiggly tho) and like rebound, the softer they are the less there is.

The red 88a conicals feel just like the stock 90a and are the exact shape.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 11:50:36 AM
Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D

Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 24, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?



The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 24, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
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I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?


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The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders




Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 24, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
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I'm going to stick with an 8.5 and 149s I've decided. It's never let me down.

Going back to an earlier discussion about Thunders, I've noticed a lot of recent instagram pics of pros that are using Bones bushings in theirs, and are not using the bottom washer and it seems to do just fine. Since I'm heavier I'm going to buy the hards and suffer through the break-in period. You guys think I can still get a killer turn out of them with the kingpin nut flush? Or do the hards just suck for turning?


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The turn you'll get out of a bushing depends on the duro and your weight.  if you weigh 200+, the hards will work fine I'm sure.

just a heads up though, its going to change the geometry slightly and will put more stress on your pivot if you dont use the bottom washer but its impossible to fit bones bushings with both washers in thunders.  The bones bottom bushing is the same height as the stock thunder bottom bushing.  The height of the bottom bushing is essential to a trucks geometry

I still firmly believe that the black thunder rebuild kit bushings would be a much better solution, plus they come with higher quality washers than you get with the trucks.  I just can't find a reason to use the bones over thunders



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Considering my weight the hards will work fine then. If Thunder made an aftermarket hard in white that's what I'd buy, but I despise colored bushings. Especially black...gross.

They do make them in yellow.  not sure if that's better or worse than black haha http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum (http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.

Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 24, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
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Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....




I can't say I disagree with that order...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on February 24, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
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The overhang of 149s on an 8.25" is 1/8" on either side, if you are looking down for that long to notice a bolt, something's wrong ;)

Lately, I've been riding 8" (thunders) on 8.25" and actually prefer it to 149s, the board just feels snappier and more responsive; I'd still stick with ACE or Krux on an 8.25" if I wanted the Indy feel for tranny so now I keep the 8.25" 147 setup for street (lower, smaller wheels) and an 8.25" with either Krux/ACE and bigger wheels.

If I could just get Thunders to carve the way I want them (like ACE lol ;) as I love the height but they're just not built that way; closest I can get is Team plates with soft bushings - currently using stock thunder 90a white, which feel softer than the clears w/Krux kingpin, khiro soft cups (chich might be too thick, it pushes they hanger forwar, team plates and Ti 147 hanger :P
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thunder 149/ 151 probably have a turn thats closer to what you want but sounds like too wide for your tastes? they'll never feel like aces but i still dig them for tranny.
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Turning wise....I think ACE....Theeve....Indy.....Thunder.....



What i was trying to say is that as far as Thunder goes, as I understand it the 149/151 have a 'better' turn than the smaller sizes.

Krux are also missing from your list. They are easily on par with Indy/ Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 24, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
Yah....I've never skated them....thought they were closer to a Thunder....I just wanted to show a range....Venture is on the other side of Thunder....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 25, 2016, 11:31:21 AM
ACE....Theeve...Indy.....Krux.....Venture...Thunder....

Krux turn just as well as Indy, if not a bit faster? It's essentially a Chinese made indy (much like ACE).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on February 25, 2016, 10:07:20 PM
I think there are at least a couple turn qualities....one is something responsive or fast....the other is turning radius....

Like you can ride tensors no bushings and they'll twitch but they'd never arc like an Indy......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 06:40:43 AM
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Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
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Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)

Im curious what bushings you used exactly. I installed the Krux DL on my ace 44's last night and they are definitely more snug than i would like. Gonna have to skate today and see though.  I did like that the nut held itself and didnt spin in the baseplate though.  The ace stock bushings with just a slight jiggle is the perfect ride for me ive found.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2016, 08:24:00 AM
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Sometimes I sit in my living room covered under a mountain of truck parts and feel like I'm going insane.....then i see a post from Xen and realize I'm not alone   :D
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Right there wth you man! Setup the aces with krux DL/bushings and mag plates! Had a scale battle session last night ;)
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Im curious what bushings you used exactly. I installed the Krux DL on my ace 44's last night and they are definitely more snug than i would like. Gonna have to skate today and see though.  I did like that the nut held itself and didnt spin in the baseplate though.  The ace stock bushings with just a slight jiggle is the perfect ride for me ive found.

Krux stock bushings, same height as ACE stocks (top and bottom); I wasn't able to get the nut to not spin this time around after it caught and became snug; wedged it and gave them another 1/4 turn. Should feel fine; I ride as loose as I can pre-jiggle, i.e. everything snug, not cranked down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 26, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter

My aftermarket orange barrels we're shorter than ACE or Krux (will get a pic later) stocks, they are even shorter than the conicals. Odd set maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter

Thanks for all the info guys.  I have some aftermarket indys (92a med hard blue) on my 149 indys on cruiser setup i might mess around with tonight.  I honestly have an assortment of bushings lying around over the years but didnt really even think about it.  Might come up with some sort of crazy frankenstein setup at some point.  What hardness of the independent bushings do you think matches the stock ace?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Flip260z on February 26, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
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If you want to use the downlow kingpin on Ace's and like it super loose, you could use the aftermarket indy bushings.  the bottom bushing is the same height as Ace/Krux but the top bushing is shorter
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Thanks for all the info guys.  I have some aftermarket indys (92a med hard blue) on my 149 indys on cruiser setup i might mess around with tonight.  I honestly have an assortment of bushings lying around over the years but didnt really even think about it.  Might come up with some sort of crazy frankenstein setup at some point.  What hardness of the independent bushings do you think matches the stock ace?

Just checked over at http://www.skatewarehouse.com/bushings.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/bushings.html)   and they have some independent low bushings on bottom of page that have a noticeably lower top bushing (at least from their stock photo).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boomhauer on February 27, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.
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So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)

What's tightening/loosening like with these? Did you have to glue the kingpin nut to the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 28, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
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Do you guys have tips for the Krux kingpin conversion? I know there was something about this in a thread but I couldn't find it  :-\
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it was like 12 or more pages back in the set up thread, the skinny of it was that most people hammered out the soild kingpin and it came out, but the hollow ones are hard as shit to get out, i even think steve tried to bake his base plate in an oven so it would come out easier, i'll edit in a link later.
edit: got'cha fam
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.13530)
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Thank you! I searched the truck set up and didn't find it haha
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no problem man.
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So I've now found a way to remove the kingpins from forged baseplates.  I've done it on two sets of my Indy's and I did a friends last night.

Remove the pivot cups, bake the baseplate at 500 degrees for 20 minutes, take it out and hit it with a 20lb dumbbell. It's insane but it works.

If you have regular cast baseplates it comes out with just a few wacks from a hammer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160220_063247_zpso9o2c9a3.jpg.html)
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What's tightening/loosening like with these? Did you have to glue the kingpin nut to the baseplate?

Honestly, it's a pain in the ass.  Some guys use JB weld to hold the nut in place but then your stuck with that one nut forever and if it strips or the nylock wears out your screwed.  Basically you wedge something on the bottom between the nut and the baseplate to hold it in place and then tighten the top of the kingpin. 

I'd only recommend doing it if you dont change your bushings or adjust your trucks often
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on February 28, 2016, 11:05:12 AM
happy to hear that the oven trick finally worked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Boomhauer on February 28, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
Damn I'm always messing with my trucks hah. Thanks Steve
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 28, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on February 28, 2016, 05:48:32 PM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.

Thunder and Venture are made in the same factory, so essentially they should be grinding the same. Thunders will have that quicker turn but if you're concerned about height maybe try a hard plastic riser? I can understand if you wouldn't wanna go that route though, as I'm not a fan of risers. Krux are 55mm tall and are supposed to grind/turn really good as you'll read from a bunch of people in this thread. Ace could be a good option too.

Answering your question: I don't think it would be a good idea to mix different truck company hangers/baseplates as they all have a different geometry.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on February 29, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.

Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: pointandclick on February 29, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on February 29, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.

Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on February 29, 2016, 11:29:53 PM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downsize that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
did you try the khiro ones in there?
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?

I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2016, 11:26:53 AM
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?
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I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess

Yeah, the Krux cup is much longer/cavity is deeper and yes they do deform pretty fast (Steve and I were nerding on on that a few days ago) and in a weird way, sort of a horizontal squish, maybe that's why they turn so great from the get go in addition to the great bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 01, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers? 

I just put some risers on a tranny setup to prevent wheelbite but I haven't used them on a regular board in probably 10 years.  The Professor thinks they give you added leverage for a bigger pop -

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdDsicDafw#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 01, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers?�
Starting to. I've got 1/4" dooks on my tranny board. Mainly because I'm fat and have 58s and forged baseplates.

I've got some softer lucky 1/8" things in considering putting on my regular set up. They're not shock pad soft but they're definitely pliable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 01, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
Yeah I ride em on my transition and cruiser set ups too and it's crossed my mind if I start sizing up to do the same thing on my street set up.... Clears wheel bite.

They change how your trucks turn too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 01, 2016, 01:05:12 PM
Any of you guys mess with risers?�

For sure. Loose trucks/ soft bushings + 56mm wheels + not a light dude. I use them a lot. I can't go bigger than 1/8" though. I think you're right about risers making some trucks turn better also. Thunders for one...

In saying that I'm riser free at the moment. Trying to finesse my wheel bite game.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
I've some 1/8" risers on my 8.5" with Indy 159s (forged) + 56mm wheels so I can shave off a bit of wheel bite.

With indy standards NHS says you can get away with 56mm wheels w/out a riser; by that logic I'd say say you can get away with up to 54mm on the forged without riser (which I run on another setup).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fookya on March 01, 2016, 01:40:10 PM
I've really been wanting to try out a set of thunders, but I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I've been riding indys for the last 10 years or so and I currently have standard 149 with the after market orange conical bushings. What bushings should I be putting in thunders for a comparable feel?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2016, 01:43:51 PM
I've really been wanting to try out a set of thunders, but I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I've been riding indys for the last 10 years or so and I currently have standard 149 with the after market orange conical bushings. What bushings should I be putting in thunders for a comparable feel?

Indy conical 88a (reds) - they really get Thunders feeling carvy (with team plates mind you for added height).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on March 01, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Been hurt the last couple weeks, but this is my current truck set up. Seemed to be working fine last few times I skated.
Mini Logo 8.38s with hard bones bushings, I started using risers about a year ago to help with wheel bite.
front
(http://i.imgur.com/ZDN0Ikx.jpg)

Back
(http://i.imgur.com/4zoW778.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 01, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
Are stage 10 and 11 baseplates the same? I think they are, I could go look at both of these trucks in my living room and compare, but I need comfirmation from you guys.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
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has anyone tried skating venture hangers on thunder baseplates? they fit from what i did at my shop. i like how ventures grind but have too slow of a turn for me, and thunder 147 hangers are too low. i might have to try.
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Hangers are too low? Try the team base plates (non forged) for a bit more height.
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thunder hangers are too low for my liking for 56mm wheels,  im on krux highs now, i like them but i go through pivot cups like no other, indy and other brands dont seem to fit for replacements. i wish i could just get a set of ventures that were center mounted so i wouldnt have to try to rig them up.
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Agree with you on the Krux pivot cups.  They're the only downside that I've found with Krux.  After like 3 sessions they get deformed and the pivot is sloppy which makes them wobbly.  might be find for some people but it was enough for me to go back to Indy
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did you try the khiro ones in there?
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I did and they were too short.  the Krux pivot cavity is deeper than indy/ace/thunder/venture I guess
i wonder if you could use some kind of caulking or shoe goo as a last resort at the bottom to fill in the void?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 04:13:36 AM
Are stage 10 and 11 baseplates the same? I think they are, I could go look at both of these trucks in my living room and compare, but I need comfirmation from you guys.

haha yes they are the same. before stage 11's were officially released, Indy was putting out 10.5 which was just the S11 hanger on S10 baseplates since they had tons of S10 forged baseplates.

I think the only difference is the stamp on the bottom of the baseplate and the indy logo on the front has a circle around it on S11 but the geometry and everything else is the same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on March 02, 2016, 04:41:23 AM
Been hurt the last couple weeks, but this is my current truck set up. Seemed to be working fine last few times I skated.
Mini Logo 8.38s with hard bones bushings, I started using risers about a year ago to help with wheel bite.
front
(http://i.imgur.com/ZDN0Ikx.jpg)

Back
(http://i.imgur.com/4zoW778.jpg)
I'm riding mini logo trucks on one of my setups and I, too, have risers to combat the wheelbite. Also, knocking out the kingpin was easy to put in an old set of grindking kingpins into them, but there is a pronounced wiggle to them like the Theeve kingpins would get on the older version of their trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 02, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 12:57:11 PM
Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?

With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 02, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
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Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
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With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though

I keep looking at pictures of the deck and it's hard to tell whether the front or rear bolts area slightly tapers more than the other. I also can't find solid information on axle width of 55's and 66's. Different shops say different measurements.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 02, 2016, 01:28:50 PM
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Ace experts...I'm getting a shaped deck that's 9.25 wide and I'm gonna try Ace's out for the first time. Should I go with 55's or 66's?
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With shaped decks I generally buy whatever truck size the board measures over the rear bolts.  It could be 9.25 in the middle but 8.75 over the rear trucks in which case I would get 55's.  If it's 9.25 at the rear, 66's would be perfect

That's just my preference though
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I keep looking at pictures of the deck and it's hard to tell whether the front or rear bolts area slightly tapers more than the other. I also can't find solid information on axle width of 55's and 66's. Different shops say different measurements.

I'm pretty sure it's 55 = 8.875 and 66 = 9.25
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2016, 09:19:41 PM
(http://weirdoskateboards.com/trucks/ace/images/ace_sizes_chart.jpg)

add 2.5 to the hanger dimensions for actual width, e.g., ACE44 5.75(3/4)+2.5 = 8.25"ish, 66=6.75+2.5=9.25"
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 03, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
Ah now I see. Thank you sir! I made a shout out to you and steve in the "slap posters you enjoy/dislike" thread by the way. Cheers!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 03, 2016, 11:05:17 PM
Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s

They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on March 03, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
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Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
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They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.

BOOM!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2016, 08:30:57 AM
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Do 33s stick out on an 8" then? I'm contemplating changing my set-up of 15+ years to for an 8" board with ACE 33s
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They are an 8" axle so they'll fit perfectly.

Going by ACE maths they are really 7.875" so just a hair under, opposite of the 44s which are closer to 8.3.

Ah now I see. Thank you sir! I made a shout out to you and steve in the "slap posters you enjoy/dislike" thread by the way. Cheers!

Thanks, didn't know there was such a thread!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 04, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
I have ace 44's and lined them up against my 8.....dicey....I wouldn't do it....bolt or wheel overhang drives me nuts.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coenobita on March 04, 2016, 08:56:06 AM
I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2016, 10:37:16 AM
I have ace 44's and lined them up against my 8.....dicey....I wouldn't do it....bolt or wheel overhang drives me nuts.....

I've done it, didn't like it. They work great on 8.125 and up, can hardly notice any overhang.

I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?

That's....odd? If anything that comment sounds like it would happen of you did the reverse (switch from Krux to Thunders ;)

Can't help you with this one (having sets of all the trucks you mention I've never felt that way with Krux).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 04, 2016, 11:56:29 PM
I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
Could it be because the truck is much higher than what you're used to, so when you put even a tiny bit of weight down not realizing it, the front truck lifts up? I just started riding krux from Indys so it's not a huge difference in height and I don't think I've noticed anything like you said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coenobita on March 05, 2016, 07:14:42 AM
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I've recently switched from 149 Thunder Hollow II's to Krux K4 8.25. I found myself uncomfortably and involuntarily tic tacking with the K4s despite their better turning radius, has anyone else had this problem? They're loose as hell, so tightness shouldn't be an issue.  ???

Indy and Thunder have been my only trucks until these Krux. Has anyone one else had this similar situation?
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Could it be because the truck is much higher than what you're used to, so when you put even a tiny bit of weight down not realizing it, the front truck lifts up? I just started riding krux from Indys so it's not a huge difference in height and I don't think I've noticed anything like you said.

I think you're right, maybe I'm doing it subconsciously to counteract wheel bite which was a constant issue with the Thunders. I kept ending up with deep indentations from wheel bite. Gotta get used to 'em.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on March 05, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: SodaJerk on March 05, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
Lots of places sell them, they're usually drilled with 6 holes because longboards use the old hole pattern. Just google it and they'll come up, pretty cheap too.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 05, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
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I've been skating Indy Titanium forged 149's for a year, and despite replacing the pivot cups with Indy aftermarket's, the actual metal in the baseplate is slightly blown out and I get a weird lateral twitch if that makes sense.  Really want to keep skating these as the hangers have some life left.  Any idea where I could find Indy forged baseplates?
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Lots of places sell them, they're usually drilled with 6 holes because longboards use the old hole pattern. Just google it and they'll come up, pretty cheap too.
Be careful though, the kingpins that come with those 6 hole baseplates are much longer than the standard Indy kingpins.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
(http://weirdoskateboards.com/trucks/ace/images/ace_sizes_chart.jpg)

add 2.5 to the hanger dimensions for actual width, e.g., ACE44 5.75(3/4)+2.5 = 8.25"ish, 66=6.75+2.5=9.25"

Yeah 44s are 8 3/8". At least mine are. I've been using them on shaped boards 8 5/8 to 8/ 3/4 and they've been great.

Hoping to get some 55s and curious how they actually measure or is this chart accurate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 06, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Went to a mall shop's warehouse sale, and they had the updated 44's for $25 a set. The guy said nobody at the shop knew what they were so they never recommend them. I was hoping to get some 55's, but they were super cheap so I went for it anyways. Skated them in the park a little bit and I really like them. They're not broken in yet, but I love the turning on them. I took off both washers and finger tightened the bolt on. They wobble around a lot, but they're incredibly stable at the same time. Absolutely in love with them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 06, 2016, 12:15:58 PM
It was only a matter of time.....don't piss the mods or else it's indy4lyfe....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 07, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.

Depends on the size/what you are used too/coming off.

Lights/Hollows give you the forged plate so they will be lower than your ACEs by a good margin, the team thunders (not forged/hollow) are about the same height. Flip wise, you won't notice a difference between hollows/non too be honest; only Ti nets a noticeable difference; you'd find more adjustment between 149/147s; Busenitz doesn't seem to have any issue flipping standard thunders when he needs to.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on March 07, 2016, 01:28:17 PM
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This has probably been asked 924912 times, but fuck it. I'm going back to thunders once my set of ACE is done (no complains about the product, just love thunders more). Either way, last time I rode a set of thunders it was the regular RAW 147 highs, and I was wondering if switching to thunders light or even hollow light truly makes a difference, mainly from a flip perspective.

I guess I'll try a set of lighter thunders no matter what, but still SLAP opinion on stuff is usually pretty accurate so I'm curious.
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Depends on the size/what you are used too/coming off.

Lights/Hollows give you the forged plate so they will be lower than your ACEs by a good margin, the team thunders (not forged/hollow) are about the same height. Flip wise, you won't notice a difference between hollows/non too be honest; only Ti nets a noticeable difference; you'd find more adjustment between 149/147s; Busenitz doesn't seem to have any issue flipping standard thunders when he needs to.

True, I didn't think about the height difference. I'm riding ACE 44's on a 8.25, but I'm going down to 147highs/8.125. Fuck it, I'll buy them and buy something else if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
I just dropped down to 8.125 (supposed to be an 8.25 but doesn't measure that way....) and 147s, then switch to 139s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 07, 2016, 04:50:06 PM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 07, 2016, 05:21:24 PM
has anybody here tried rethreading kingpins?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 07, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

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if 55s were that 8.625 that would be perfect.

maybe they're changing things around a bit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: duzerdrof on March 07, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
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Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

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if 55s were that 8.625 that would be perfect.

maybe they're changing things around a bit?

i have an older (2014?) pair of 44s and they're close to 8.25, maybe a hair longer but definitely shorter than an indy 149

I think there was a recent design change that's supposed to make them less prone to bending so maybe sizes have changed
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 07, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:32:10 AM
i have a new pair of 44s and the axle is 8 3/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 08, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...

I don't think there are any inconsistencies with the actual widths.  Do what I usually do, which is go by whatever Xen says  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on March 08, 2016, 08:26:15 AM
Just use measurements
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 08:27:10 AM
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Ace kinda deters me with these inconsistencies in axle widths, and some kingpins being higher than others from what I've read. I'm not worried about the axle bending or slipping, I just want my truck to actually measure what the damn chart says. Never seen this much conflicting truck info with any other company...
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I don't think there are any inconsistencies with the actual widths.� Do what I usually do, which is go by whatever Xen says� :)

BMCsteve and Xen...the wind beneath my wings...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 08:37:22 AM
Man Ace's truck info is all over the place. SoCal skate shop, which is the place to get them as Ace links you directly to there, says:

44-8.25
55-8.875
66-9.5

Then Ace directly tells me via email:

44-8
55-8.625
66-9

???



I'm telling ya, take the chart measurements and add 2.5" it's as accurate as you are going to get; also, ACE just run odd, they don't make an 8.5/149, 44s are smaller and 55s are bigger, that's where it all gets screwy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
I shall take your word Xen. Ace told me to add 2.25" to the hanger but it makes more sense with the 2.5".
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 09:00:15 AM
I shall take your word Xen. Ace told me to add 2.25" to the hanger but it makes more sense with the 2.5".

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/bucksaw87/Skate%20Diagrams/ace-size-chart.jpg)

Best to just measure ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Joey T smokes a lot of weed.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
That chart is wrong for the 44s.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 08, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
That chart is wrong for the 44s.

5.75+2.5=8.25 which is supposed to be the 44 axle length right?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 11:24:04 AM
yeah, but they are wider than that. 8 3/8.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 11:31:45 AM
yeah, but they are wider than that. 8 3/8.

Yep they are 8.38 but billed as 8.25, also why they suggest adding a few washers on the inside if you want an 8.5"

Also, they did change the hanger taper on the new models, it's very subtle now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 01:49:45 PM
Xen, do you know if the 55s measure as advertised?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Coconut Lotion on March 08, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
the set of 44's i had were most definitely 100% 8.38 inches wide from tip to tip. I measured over and over again. It kept me up at night.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 08, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2016, 04:07:03 PM
Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...

Truck Cos need to stop with funky numbers and just use inches - At least Krux is on that game.
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 08, 2016, 04:52:42 PM
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Trucks shouldn't be this complicated. I'm not really one to talk, but damn...
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Truck Cos need to stop with funky numbers and just use inches - At least Krux is on that game.
They're all measuring hangar, not axle. So like with Aces, 44s are 144mm hangar, which rounds to 5.7 inches. if they just measured by axle width, it would make everyone happy, even if it was in mm. just a standard of truck measurement.
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Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
well they measure both axle and hangar but you are correct, hangar width is more relevant to performance.

44s aren't 44. they are 146. 55s are 162

indy started the misleading trend by using cooler sounding numbers like 169 or 169 or 151 rather than actual measurements.

indy 149s are actually 149 but thunder 149s are 151. its pretty ridiculous... but funny... skateboarding...
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 08, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
well they measure both axle and hangar but you are correct, hangar width is more relevant to performance.

44s aren't 44. they are 146. 55s are 162

indy started to misleading trend by using cooler sounding numbers like 169 or 169 or 151 rather than actual measurements.

indy 149s are actually 149 but thunder 149s are 151. its pretty ridiculous... but funny... skateboarding...

Indy 149 and Thunder 149 both have a 149mm hanger.  Here's where it gets stupid - Indy 159 and Thunder 151 both have a 156mm Hanger. 
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Post by: N.L. on March 08, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.

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Post by: tangar on March 08, 2016, 10:35:24 PM
all this thread confirms, is that SCIENCE will always be cooler than math.
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 06:35:47 AM
remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.



Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 09, 2016, 07:02:57 AM
Next step, measure brand new sets of 44, 55, and 66 redesigns and report back soldier.
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Post by: the snake on March 09, 2016, 07:10:01 AM
Time to make your own truck forum, guys, we don't want any more line on that shit here on slap !  ;D
(http://www.motcloth.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/nerd690x340.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)

the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 09, 2016, 08:58:14 AM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
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the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...

At this point it's just hilarious that we're discussing 1mm of width on a truck hanger.  this is the exact moment that the entire thread has jumped the shark  :D
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 09, 2016, 09:05:50 AM
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remeasure thunder 149s.... you'll see. slightly wider than indy 149s (stage 11) at 151mm.

whereas thunder 151s are actually 156mm, same as indy 159s... like you said.


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Not that any of this craziness matters but I measured 149 Thunder and Indy and they are the exact same length on both the hanger and axle



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160309_062312_zpsc7vckrrd.jpg.html)
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the indy looks wider in that photo.when i measured i got a wider thunder. either way, 1mm each side isn't going to mean anything to my shitty skateboard technique.

this thread has come to an awkward place. ha ha...
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At this point it's just hilarious that we're discussing 1mm of width on a truck hanger.  this is the exact moment that the entire thread has jumped the shark  :D
I wonder if ermico had an allowable margin of error on their widths. I'm sure they do. Or during the threading of the axels they sometimes give an extra turn, or one less... QUICK COUNT YOUR THREADS.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 09, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
i agree and do from this moment on pledge to grind more and keyboard less.
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Post by: Main on March 09, 2016, 09:29:39 AM
I started all of this...I'm a worthless asshole who deserves to die young.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 09, 2016, 11:20:54 AM
i agree and do from this moment on pledge to grind more and keyboard less.

If I didn't have to be at 'work' I'd be grinding more.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 09, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
keep on nerding about trucks, dudes, i like to read that crap
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Post by: the snake on March 10, 2016, 05:47:59 AM
holy shit i scared them !
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Post by: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
oh i'm still here, panicking of whether Lee Ralph rides 44s or 55s and if i get 55s should i wait a bit because the hangar width might be  shortened and they might invert the kingpin but what if stage 12s come out this summer? fuck then what do i do? and how will the stage 12s be different to 11s? and then if thunder rehash the 151 christ i'll be incapacitated with indecision, sleepless nights concerned with turning geometry, location of manufacturing, dimensions, bushing quality, kingpin exposure but really i'm a 40 yr old man who slaps curbs and slashes pool coping. why does it even matter? am i just trying to avoid thinking about real shit like money, career, family and my steep demise into ineptitude  and eventual death? what was it all for? how much time did i consume thinking about something so meaningless? but isn't that what the buddhists say, take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:31:44 AM
I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.

Dying  :D
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Post by: Spitfire4life on March 10, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2016, 08:43:29 AM
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I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
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Dying  :D

(http://cdn.skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/440/files/2011/12/SKB0112_T30_JAM_030_v22-406x600.jpg)

Pretty sure he justifies it now by via being and independant type of dude ;)
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?

Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
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Post by: art hellman on March 10, 2016, 08:50:17 AM
take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 10, 2016, 08:51:16 AM
oh i'm still here, panicking of whether Lee Ralph rides 44s or 55s and if i get 55s should i wait a bit because the hangar width might be� shortened and they might invert the kingpin but what if stage 12s come out this summer? fuck then what do i do? and how will the stage 12s be different to 11s? and then if thunder rehash the 151 christ i'll be incapacitated with indecision, sleepless nights concerned with turning geometry, location of manufacturing, dimensions, bushing quality, kingpin exposure but really i'm a 40 yr old man who slaps curbs and slashes pool coping. why does it even matter? am i just trying to avoid thinking about real shit like money, career, family and my steep demise into ineptitude� and eventual death? what was it all for? how much time did i consume thinking about something so meaningless? but isn't that what the buddhists say, take things of little matter very seriously and shrug of the big things. its all about the fucking trucks...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DXfwUN9M8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DXfwUN9M8k#)
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Post by: Cherb on March 10, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well

Putting Krux bushings in my aces was the best decision I've ever made. I was having to tighten the nut on my front truck every few minutes to be able to skate them as loose as I wanted until I threw the krux bushings in. Total life changer
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Post by: N.L. on March 10, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
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Putting Krux bushings in my aces was the best decision I've ever made. I was having to tighten the nut on my front trunk every few minutes to be able to skate them as loose as I wanted until I threw the krux bushings in. Total life changer

agreed. even if its just the krux top bushing. great combo.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 10, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
paritally because of this thread....I've set up a new board....

Ace 44's on an 8.5.....the 8 3/8's is bang on.....

Set up those bones with the built,in spacers and they set up exactly how I wanted....super tight and they spin exactly how new bearings should. I'm stoked....I'm curious how they hold up to me landing primo every 2nd kickflip.....I've had problems w. Axel slip on lots of trucks and my theory is if everything is tighter, it's less likely to happen.

Put on some of those baby risers too just cause I insisted they are a good idea.....

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Post by: swagdragon123 on March 10, 2016, 07:05:58 PM
too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 10, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?

stability vs flipability
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Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 10, 2016, 09:38:40 PM
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I went out and got an Indy tattoo so in my mind I could only ride Indys, but then last night I remembered that old pic of Jamie Thomas shaving his head and his Indy tramp stamp and he rides thunders, almost had a breakdown.
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Dying  :D
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(http://cdn.skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/440/files/2011/12/SKB0112_T30_JAM_030_v22-406x600.jpg)

Pretty sure he justifies it now by via being and independant type of dude ;)
Forum Weapon: Woody's Laugh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q9HJJFgrtA#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 10, 2016, 11:08:17 PM
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too lazy to look back in thread. whats the best argument for 149s over 139 indys?
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stability vs flipability

We've concluded the 149 is definitely larger.....we're not sure by how much....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 11, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
Thanks Steve. I assume I need the large pivot cups?
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 11, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
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I'm starting to get a little disappointed with my Ace's. They turn fine, but they don't feel very different than my Indys. Everyone talked about how quickly they turn, but I have to ride it wobbly loose just to get a good enough turn. Should I try some different bushings? Or maybe is it that I came off 169's down to the 44s?
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Try Krux bushings and Khiro soft pivot cups.  I was so confused when I got my Ace's.  The bushings were super hard and the turn was slow and shallow.

I didn't end up keeping the trucks but after swapping the bushings and pivot cups they turned amazingly well
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Thanks Steve. I assume I need the large pivot cups?

Nope, you'll actually need the small cups - http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600)

they fit perfectly in the Ace baseplate
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 11, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Got some Ace 55's today. Wasn't 100% if they'd fit the shaped deck I wanted and sure enough they line up perfect. Maybe just a hair short, but the 66's were too wide. I'm keeping them stock, for now. I noticed on SoCal Skate Shop that Ace sells aftermarket bushings...haven't seen anyone mention this. I wonder if it's like Indy where their aftermarkets are better quality than stock?
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Post by: 256 Ply on March 12, 2016, 12:48:09 AM
Ace sells aftermarket bushings...haven't seen anyone mention this. I wonder if it's like Indy where their aftermarkets are better quality than stock?

They're the exact same.
There's a contingent of Ace fans that really love the stock bushings (the pivots? not so much). So they decided to offer them separately.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: 256 Ply on March 12, 2016, 12:58:26 AM
Anyone try Mini Logo bushings yet?

(http://cdn.minilogoskateboards.com/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/product/bushings.jpg)
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 12, 2016, 07:20:13 AM
Anyone try Mini Logo bushings yet?

(http://cdn.minilogoskateboards.com/media/wysiwyg/minilogo/pages/product/bushings.jpg)

I haven't but I wonder if it's the same urethane as Bones bushings but without the core and a barrel bottom bushing.  if so, they should be great. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 12, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
Just got back from barrier rituals. Ace's kick ass man. I think I gotta break in the stock bushings a lot more because I could only get that slutty loose turn if I finger tightened the nut, then a couple tiny cranks with a tool to secure the nut from falling off. Any extra cranks and they didn't respond as well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 12, 2016, 06:58:48 PM
i lost patience trying to break my ace bushings in. Adding a smaller top bushing was all i needed. i had some old crux bushings in a box and they worked really well.

so, Main, do you mind measuring the axle and hangers on those 55s? curious to see if they measure up as advertised unlike the 44s....
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Post by: Main on March 12, 2016, 07:17:05 PM
i lost patience trying to break my ace bushings in. Adding a smaller top bushing was all i needed. i had some old crux bushings in a box and they worked really well.

so, Main, do you mind measuring the axle and hangers on those 55s? curious to see if they measure up as advertised unlike the 44s....

I measured them before I bought them and they were nearly a 9" axle. So I think what SoCal Skate Shop lists them as, 8 7/8 (8.875"), is accurate.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 13, 2016, 06:14:01 PM
I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on March 13, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?

The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 13, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
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I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.

The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
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Post by: ferraveemo on March 14, 2016, 12:33:04 AM
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand

i felt the same way. everyone i knew who's been on Ace for awhile told me that they get softer but they're really almost like 96A and i didn't even realize that Bones Mediums are that durometer. Honestly haven't gone back to bones and have stucked on Indy Standard Conical Red's. everything else is too hard/tight even if i ride on a couple threads of the nut. I wanna try Bones Soft one more time because Bones does have that broken in feel rather than the mushy feel you get with Indy's till they're fully broken in.
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Post by: Xen on March 14, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
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i felt the same way. everyone i knew who's been on Ace for awhile told me that they get softer but they're really almost like 96A and i didn't even realize that Bones Mediums are that durometer. Honestly haven't gone back to bones and have stucked on Indy Standard Conical Red's. everything else is too hard/tight even if i ride on a couple threads of the nut. I wanna try Bones Soft one more time because Bones does have that broken in feel rather than the mushy feel you get with Indy's till they're fully broken in.

ACE have changed the bushings a bit from what I can tell. The older ones are more of an off white color whereas the newer ones have a blue-white look to them. The old one were two duros, 94a bottom, 92a top, at least that is what they told me.

Bones Mediums are 91a, softs, 85a.

ACE and Bones softs, man, that's a floopy loose ride...Bones med bottoms and soft tops is nice, Conical Reds are nice as well. Krux in ACE are the bee's knees. To me, they feel best with barrel bottoms, conicals (unless you are riding hard bushings) are just too unstable in them.

That said, I did ride ACE lows with Bones hards and it was awesome ;)
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Post by: Cherb on March 14, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
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I had another session today in them. Rained a shit ton so I had to drive an hour to an indoor park. Still having issues with my kingpin nut almost falling off in order to keep the desired looseness. I know it was only my second session in them but I'm impatient with breaking in trucks. Some of you mentioned using Krux bushings, are they just softer than Ace's stocks therefore resulting in a better turn? Can I just use Krux bushings without changing the pivot cups and still achieve desired looseness?
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The top krux bushing is just a little bit shorter than the ace. I'm not sure about the hardness but they feel pretty similar. I'm also still just using the stock ace pivot cups and their working fine for me.
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The ace bushings felt rock hard to me.  Krux aren't exactly soft but they have great rebound and are just all around higher quality than the Ace bushings.   You can skate the ace pivot cups until they blow out but you might as well get some Khiro soft small cups to have on hand
Yeah you're right. I went back and felt them and they're definitely a little harder than the krux bushings. The ride with krux bushings feels way better for sure. I was just speaking about the actual feeling of the bushings in your hand.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 15, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
So, are Ace pivot cups medium? hard? Based on what I've read, I'm curious as to why they blow out quicker than other trucks. I'm also heavier so are soft khiro pivot cups even a good idea?
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Post by: BMCsteve on March 15, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
So, are Ace pivot cups medium? hard? Based on what I've read, I'm curious as to why they blow out quicker than other trucks. I'm also heavier so are soft khiro pivot cups even a good idea?

they're medium to hard.  the ace pivot cups like most stock pivot cups are just a hard plastic.  The Khiro ones are high quality urethane.  I' not sure why they blow out quicker than others but you'll see the quality difference when you swap them out.

I've used the hard and soft ones and honestly I didn't notice a difference. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2016, 12:33:47 PM
The hards might last longer?

Taken from another forum:

"Soft cups give a more smooth/dampened feel when leaning and turning, but harder ones are more responsive/quicker feeling."

Thing is, the pivot in the chicago style truck doesn't do much but keep metal from grinding on metal, but keeps everything lined up.

It's like bushings...if you ride tight trucks you should use hard bushings not soft and crank them down. Same goes for hard pivots, if you are not carving why would you need soft ones?

Stock thunder cups are fucking hard, indys/Ace are softer, but still shit. The ACE ones blow out so damn fast. theeve has the best cups (plus stock bones so they turn amazing out of he gate). Shorty's cups are also really hard - one can assume the harder cps are also cheaper....

Khiros are also THICKER, meaning they bottom of the pivot doesn't sit as low as the stock/harder counterparts which is why they stick up 2mm or so, pushing the hanger up ;)

(http://www.projetoxpodcast.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/qualeoblog-orgulho-nerd-classico.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 15, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 15, 2016, 12:56:40 PM
I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.

We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 15, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
This thread has reached amazing heights  8)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 15, 2016, 03:35:55 PM
(http://www.projetoxpodcast.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/qualeoblog-orgulho-nerd-classico.jpg)

^yep that's me alright

There's going to be a Truck War episode in this season of Love Letters. I'm already rock hard...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on March 16, 2016, 05:40:46 AM
Question: Installing an indy low kingpin/indy low bushings on a standard indy geometry truck wouldn't work, would it? I don't know what I'm thinking. I guess i'm wondering if I could get even more clearance without having to search out the pieces for the krux dl mod. Are the bottom bushings on the aftermarket lows shorter or is it only the top bushing thats shorter?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 16, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
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I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
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We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane

So far those extended race bearings appear to be the truth.....axel nut is on tighter than ever and the wheel spins faster than ever....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: h00man on March 16, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
I have Indy Koston Hollows with the stock orange bushings, no bottom washer

Does anyone else do this with indy bushings? I decided to take off the bottom washer for some reason, and it works. Feels good but noticed it cracks the bushing quicker. Should I stop being a loser and just put the bottom bushing back on?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 16, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 03:32:59 PM
I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 


I've skated both the orange conical and orange cylinder.  The cylinder bottom is a bit more stable and takes more effort to turn deep.  the conical ones are a little less forgiving but turn quicker.

Of the two i currently prefer the conicals
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
I have Indy Koston Hollows with the stock orange bushings, no bottom washer

Does anyone else do this with indy bushings? I decided to take off the bottom washer for some reason, and it works. Feels good but noticed it cracks the bushing quicker. Should I stop being a loser and just put the bottom bushing back on?

You'll likely crack bushings and break pivot cups more often because it changes the truck's geometry.  I would suggest getting some of the red "soft" bushings
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on March 16, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
not enough pics of ground down trucks in this thread. word to pic ratio way out of proportion
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on March 16, 2016, 06:24:28 PM
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I think when we start nitpicking pivot cups, we've gone too far.  I just replace the indy ones because I can't handle the squeeking.
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We haven't gone too far until we get to axle washer preference. 

I replace the stock indy/thunder ones with Khiro speed rings because they're slightly thicker putting the nut a little more flush with the axle preventing the threads from getting damaged and having to re-thread them later.

that's why I'm insane

LOL Steve! Totally understand what you're saying brother. Gonna nerd out for a second...I am REALLY OCD about using bearing spacers because I want to be able to 'lock' my axle nuts and still have my wheels spin freely. Not all wheels are poured with the same in the bearing seat and if there is too much space in there I actually put a washer on the inside of the wheel, between the spacer and bearing in addition to the washer on the outside. Gives the little extra needed for a perfect seat.  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on March 16, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
You can't even hear squeaking when you're skating so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on March 16, 2016, 07:24:42 PM
not enough pics of ground down trucks in this thread. word to pic ratio way out of proportion

Since no one answered my question from a few pages ago I messeaged Krux and actually got an email back from Ron Whaley. Pretty much just checked to see that your indy trucks could wobble with the downlow kingpin and he seemed pretty positive that it wouldn't be a problem with some JB weld. My trucks are down to the axle and I've gone through a couple kingpins and about 6 kingpin nuts in the past few months, mostly just from them stripping. A nut fell off again last night because it was stripped out, and I'm going through the truck crisis yet again.

I was wondering if any of you have certain things you do to stretch the life of your trucks. My biggest issue is having the kingpin stick up past hanger, which makes smith grinds a nightmare. Its hard to find the point where they will turn like you want them too, without the it sticking up too much. I might just glue the nuts in place and file them down for now, but I plan on trying the Krux kingpins at some point soon

This is probably my favorite thread these days, and I really enjoy reading and seeing photos of peoples truck neuroticism, especially Steve and Xen. Also agree that the word to pic ratio is way off so here are some photos.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/320f29141a101bc8ec3b33198e360ab7/tumblr_o45v72LX3f1unnraco1_540.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/cfca55569abe6a4029b9904718d38fbd/tumblr_o45v80ds0r1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Back Truck, Put some indy hard low bushing on top yesterday because the top bushings kept eroding to nothing

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/62b8c80e038aac2af537986de3d31ffc/tumblr_o45vatx76I1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Front

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/c8d028d534b800a80a6d5f7453592b94/tumblr_o45vjq42JD1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Had Problems with trucks sliding side to side too. Not that bad, but slightly frustrating.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ed8b4feaab3b979678a58e7e93bb06f0/tumblr_o45vbzcAei1unnraco1_540.jpg)
Spare-parts graveyard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 16, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Yowza, Crow.  Putting those to good use.

FYI - there isnt any wobble with my downlow Indy's.  PM me your address and I'll send you a set of Indy baseplates with the Krux kingpins ready to go if you want to try them out

On another note, looks like someone else is getting into the downlow business https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 17, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
Yowza, Crow.  Putting those to good use.

FYI - there isnt any wobble with my downlow Indy's.  PM me your address and I'll send you a set of Indy baseplates with the Krux kingpins ready to go if you want to try them out

On another note, looks like someone else is getting into the downlow business https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BC9ZI6kwE6a/)

Flat head on those, probably lower than krux (Krux DL design is weird when it comes to the top washer).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 17, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
indy stage 11 raw 139mm, top bushing bones hard, bottom one old destructo orange hard cilinder, that's what works for me since last year
i tried black indy aftermarket barrel bushings and hated them, should have tried the blue (92a) maybe...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: HyperBeam on March 17, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
 took out bottom bushing washer thing recently. pretty good ride.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 17, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
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I have my stock indy bushing with some big cracks and I'm thinking in buying some new ones. The problem is that those are de Cylinder ones and I can only find the Conical (Orange) ones to buy here in Portugal. Do you think that it's a huge diference between them? I really love the turning i get with those Cylinder ones. 

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I've skated both the orange conical and orange cylinder.  The cylinder bottom is a bit more stable and takes more effort to turn deep.  the conical ones are a little less forgiving but turn quicker.

Of the two i currently prefer the conicals

Well I think I prefer the cylinder then. I'm riding my trucks looser than ever but I rather have more stability than a faster turn. I think they are turning fast enought, and less stability would make me loose some of my flat game ahah. The local shop guy said he will try to order some orange cylinders to me. :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on March 17, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
i rode stock ones for a while in my titaniums and they were fine. when i swithced to orange aftermarket cylinders i felt like they had a little bit quicker rebound. i think youll dig em.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: B-Rad is the Raddest on March 21, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
I put a 78 super soft on the bottom of my trucks and put a 88 soft on top. Both Indy after markets
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: FirstBlood82 on March 21, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 21, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qcf4larl.jpg)

"The major advantage with a Made in USA truck is the metal alloy and casting procedure used in the manufacturing process. We start with melting Prime 356A aluminum ingot, never using recycled or re-melted material. We then pour the molten aluminum using a gravity casting process which allows the metal to naturally flow into the mold, rather than a low pressure or injection molding system, which use additives that weaken the metal. Finally, the trucks are heat treated to T-6 harness for an extremely hard, dense finish. This gives the truck a superior grind and strength qualities only found in a USA made, gravity casted truck."

"In addition, the new Shadows feature 4140 Chromalloy steel axles, 92a barrel/cone bushings and grade 8 hardware. The truck is also equipped with a flip-able kingpin for inverted use, providing less kingpin drag on grinds and is also compatible with all aftermarket inverted kingpins."
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 21, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 06:22:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qcf4larl.jpg)

"The major advantage with a Made in USA truck is the metal alloy and casting procedure used in the manufacturing process. We start with melting Prime 356A aluminum ingot, never using recycled or re-melted material. We then pour the molten aluminum using a gravity casting process which allows the metal to naturally flow into the mold, rather than a low pressure or injection molding system, which use additives that weaken the metal. Finally, the trucks are heat treated to T-6 harness for an extremely hard, dense finish. This gives the truck a superior grind and strength qualities only found in a USA made, gravity casted truck."

"In addition, the new Shadows feature 4140 Chromalloy steel axles, 92a barrel/cone bushings and grade 8 hardware. The truck is also equipped with a flip-able kingpin for inverted use, providing less kingpin drag on grinds and is also compatible with all aftermarket inverted kingpins."

I thought about trying these out but my guess is they are insanely heavy.  Love that they come with a flipable kingpin though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 06:46:09 AM
I think they're going to be better than Indy standards. An oval yoke which will help with deeper turns and a rounded pivot for smoother turning. Not sure if Indy still does the gravity cast method at Ermico either. I'm definitely buying 'em for myself very soon.

I'm curious how securing the flipped kingpin works, as I was with Krux but forgot to mention it. Do you just keep a firm lock with the allen key at the top, while tightening the nut at the baseplate till it doesn't turn anymore, and you don't have to worry about it shaking loose at any point?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I don't think they'll be much heavier than indys.....doubt they turn great though....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 09:03:04 AM
I don't think they'll be much heavier than indys.....doubt they turn great though....

Compared to Ace, they probably won't be a great turn but I think it'll be better than Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...

Yeah, being a bigger dude I've never had much height on my ollies and never been able to do flips for the most part. I can land a couple here and there but I mostly just skate tranny and grind a lot. I noticed with Ace's, whether it has to do with the height or weight or both, I can ollie higher with less effort. I can actually clear the pyramid with them, too. Definitely wasn't the case with Indy's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 22, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
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One thing we have not covered in this extensive truck nerd out is ollie timing. Has anyone else noticed that different trucks ollie different? I always thought this was bullshit but I am getting a way better ollie with Aces (otherwise exact same set up). Next comes Indy and then Thunder. I love Thunder 151s but their position/ Geo whatever fucked with my ollies. Strange but true and I'm sure this is different for everyone... more subjective bullshit but its real...
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Yeah, being a bigger dude I've never had much height on my ollies and never been able to do flips for the most part. I can land a couple here and there but I mostly just skate tranny and grind a lot. I noticed with Ace's, whether it has to do with the height or weight or both, I can ollie higher with less effort. I can actually clear the pyramid with them, too. Definitely wasn't the case with Indy's.
I talked about this with friends a while ago. My pseudo scientific explanation is that looser or better turning trucks absorb differently than tighter or bad turning trucks because the tight ones send the energy straight down while the other absorb the force through shifting before hitting the ground.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 11:48:29 AM
could be. i also think it has to do with axle placement in regards to where it sits on the deck. and the angle of course. Thunder axles are pushed further out towards the tail/nose, indy/ ace sit further in.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
could be. i also think it has to do with axle placement in regards to where it sits on the deck. and the angle of course. Thunder axles are pushed further out towards the tail/nose, indy/ ace sit further in.

Yeah, I think the axle placement thing could definitely be a factor. It would be rad if Ace, Krux, Thunder, and Indy each put out a video or something that talks about how they came up with the design. I'm thinking the "truck wars" episode that will be on the new season of Loveletters might dive into this? Or at least I hope...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2016, 12:08:45 PM
obviously the height of a truck impacts the Ollie....but also a trucks geometry affects the wheelbase and the length of the nose and tail..which can change how you Ollie.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
From what I understand the higher the truck the higher the ollie, to a certain point obviously
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric ricks on March 22, 2016, 01:51:17 PM
Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)

Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 22, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
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Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort.  Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over.  I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other.  I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
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Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
Just from personal experience and preference, the thunder bushings are the best stock setup. The 149ii's with no bottom washer is the best turning /feeling truck I've ever had. I bought the Thunder 90a rebuild kit and threw the bushings in my Indy's and it was fantastic; way better than the stock indy ones. My only gripe with Thunders is that they're shorter so I have to ride smaller wheels, but IMO it's worth it. Put my Thunders back on until I can get a better bushing/pivot cup combo in my aces.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 02:51:44 PM
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Truck height and axle placement are a huge factor in ollie effort. �Axle placement is what keeps pulling me back to Thunder over and over. �I've setup identical boards in the past with the only variable being Indy 149 on one setup and Thunder 149 on the other. �I could pop higher on then Thunder setup every single time

At my local park there are a few higher bench/ledges that are a struggle for me to pop onto when I'm skating Indy's and I don't have any issues with Thunders.

You can nerd out on this here - http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/03/axle-placement-of-various-trucks.html)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fq4An-DEfqc/T8URoZ_4GFI/AAAAAAAAAs8/MCWo3sQAtcg/s1600/149+axle+placement.jpg)
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Fuck! Thanks for the info!

You got this down to a science!

I ride indys but at 36, a little extra pop sure wouldnt hurt!

Ive rode thunders before but its been like 15 years lol.

How do they turn? Any need to change out bushings etc???
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Just from personal experience and preference, the thunder bushings are the best stock setup. The 149ii's with no bottom washer is the best turning /feeling truck I've ever had. I bought the Thunder 90a rebuild kit and threw the bushings in my Indy's and it was fantastic; way better than the stock indy ones. My only gripe with Thunders is that they're shorter so I have to ride smaller wheels, but IMO it's worth it. Put my Thunders back on until I can get a better bushing/pivot cup combo in my aces.

Disclaimer:  That's not my graph.  It was created by the dude who runs that blog and I believe posts on slap now and then.

I had a crisis with Thunders for a long time.  I would constantly get wheelbite.  The only way I could avoid it was putting in the 100a rebuild kit.  I'm not sure if I just got used to them but the stock white bushings work perfectly for me now.

They key is to spend a couple days breaking in the stock bushings.  They will be super soft and mushy at first but on day 3 they actually firm up and have great rebound.

You will absolutely get more wheelbite than Indy's because Thunder's are lower and have a sharper turning radius.  If I'm just skating street it's worth it for me simply because I can pop better with them and my 34 year old legs need all the help they can get  :)

I now have a thunder setup and an indy setup and I love both for different reasons
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?

Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 02:58:15 PM
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Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
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Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle

Gotcha. Do you just put the baseplate on a flat surface and go from the flat surface up to the middle of the axle?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 22, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
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Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, how the hell does one accurately measure truck height?
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Bottom of the baseplate to the middle of the axle
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Gotcha. Do you just put the baseplate on a flat surface and go from the flat surface up to the middle of the axle?

I've actually never measured them myself.  You can find out the height or pretty much any truck here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 03:11:41 PM
BMC steve I have the opposite deal. Thunders weakened my ollies. Ace increased them. I think its less to do with height and more to do with axle location/ geo, in my case.

the dude who created that chart is certifiably insane.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on March 22, 2016, 03:26:46 PM
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am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
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I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
(http://seeklogo.com/images/B/brazzers-logo-969F991A53-seeklogo.com.gif)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 03:32:51 PM
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am i the only one who rub the bushing back and forth on the grip to wear it down, so i can have the trucks very loose ?
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I never thought of this, but it's a damn good idea. Probably going to try that now.
Jordan Trahan actually does this too, he rides suuper loose
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 04:10:46 PM
BMC steve I have the opposite deal. Thunders weakened my ollies. Ace increased them. I think its less to do with height and more to do with axle location/ geo, in my case.

the dude who created that chart is certifiably insane.

Yes, but a god amongst men...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 04:14:56 PM
Matt Rodriguez talking about his truck set-up, so fuckin loose  :o
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7SX6YR_04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7SX6YR_04#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
Man I'm full of questions today. Is it normal for Ace's to wear down quicker than other trucks? I feel like with the softer metal mine are already shredding down fast even after just a handful of sessions...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 22, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Man I'm full of questions today. Is it normal for Ace's to wear down quicker than other trucks? I feel like with the softer metal mine are already shredding down fast even after just a handful of sessions...

Yes. I've noticed the same. Could be the metal, could also be the shape of the hanger.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 22, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
Rumor has it back in the day Danny Sargent(maybe wrong spelling) ground a set of Indy's to the axle in one day 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 22, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Eric ricks on March 22, 2016, 08:10:18 PM
Rumor has it back in the day Danny Sargent(maybe wrong spelling) ground a set of Indy's to the axle in one day 

Thats one heck of a slappy session! Yeah Danny!!!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 22, 2016, 08:28:59 PM
i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.

Part of the reason why I've never messed with hollow anything. I also feel like they'd feel...well....hollow. Like a dead weight instead of a solid one, even if it's heavy I don't care. I need life in my trucks! Hope those replacements work out for ya though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on March 23, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
Procrastinated on ordering some Krux downlow kingpins, and now they seem to be sold out everywhere I check. Anybody have a link? Much appreciated if so.
EDIT. 35th had some, but shipping was about $6.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 23, 2016, 02:09:13 PM
Procrastinated on ordering some Krux downlow kingpins, and now they seem to be sold out everywhere I check. Anybody have a link? Much appreciated if so.
EDIT. 35th had some, but shipping was about $6.

I was gonna link to NHS directly and then SoCal Skate Shop but both are sold out. $6 ain't the end of the world though, if you don't wanna wait I'd just go with that option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 24, 2016, 08:08:26 PM
This thread needs more photos. 151, 159, 55 in various stages of use...
(http://i67.tinypic.com/4qonwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 24, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Nice job man!  I see some axle peeking through on those Thunders
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 24, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
Given an hour or two I can ollie the same height riding pretty much any truck (5 decks).

I find that stability/lower trucks is what allows me to ollie better as I have more time to setup and get ready to pop. In a straight line, on even terrain anyway.

I find the 55mm truck group Indys/Ace/Krux take more effort to get ready to ollie (I ride loose and they are carvy).

Don't ride Gullwing. Just. Don't.


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: troy on March 24, 2016, 10:22:55 PM
i know its all mental but does anyone skate tranny with 139s? or is it generally 149s and up
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 24, 2016, 10:28:52 PM
Don't ride Gullwing. Just. Don't.

Duane Peters, Shaun Ross, Craig Questions, most of Barrier Kult, Kristian Svitak, Mark Lake, and many others skate them.

Why don't you like Gullwing, Xen? Just curious.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on March 24, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
I just remember pro 3's turning really wide....seemed like the ultimate vert truck....no need to carve.   Skated the shadow in the Hensley days and didn't like them that much....same deal...felt like venture highs....

The ...such and such skate them...argument only holds so much water....ie. Tensor....

It's just preference in turning though, I bet quality wise they are fine...weight is relative....I bet a pro three weighs as much as an Indy. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 25, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
Nice job man!  I see some axle peeking through on those Thunders

Yeah, the Thunders are just about at axle but not sure when I'll use them again. Going to keep them though. Might be the last ones with a 'usa' stamp on the bottom...?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qzaEnS5LzoQ/VvVz5JSwx2I/AAAAAAAAdUw/G4tcT8dVQAIAPDyzRZnqQv5Ki_jMigszACCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_20160325_100545.jpg)

Ace mag places, new reinforced hangers (thanks BMC), Krux pins/bushings.

Picked up some JB weld steel stick (it's an epoxy putty, slice a bit off, squish it around until the colors are mixed then squish it in the cracks, works just like I expected (didn't want the goopy epoxy all over the place). Stuffs hard as a rock and keeps the nut from spinning or falling out of place if I need to loosen/swap bushings or whatever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on March 25, 2016, 03:04:24 PM
anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on March 25, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: chillclinton87 on March 25, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
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anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
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stanley, thank you for the quick reply!

i really could not skate with stock bushings for the last 3- 5 years, but one day i had a maybe defective set of bones mediums that were unusually hard, so i had to try the thunder stocks again and i never went back. i skate them flush with both washers maybe a lil more lose if it is colder over time. now after winter is pretty much over hopefully i found myself riding rockhard bushings without ever tightening my trucks during winter wich is crazy. i lost all my fliptricks being stuck at the indoor park and the trucks/ bushings not doing what i am used to fucked with my head heavy.

but now i flipped through a couple pages of this thread and i do not feel alone anymore!

thanks pals!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
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anybody know the durometer of the stock thunder bushings? need to order some new ones due to cold winter and a non existing heating unit in our indoor park!

thanks....and sorry for throwing in random questions but did not want to create a new thread!
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Except the white ones feel waaaaay softer for some reason!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 26, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Just to nerd out on it, who manufactures certain bushings?, I bet Thunder and Indy aftermarkets are made by the same and perhaps Krux is the same too?, never seen Krux but the Thunder and Indy ones look/feel very similar to me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
Just to nerd out on it, who manufactures certain bushings?, I bet Thunder and Indy aftermarkets are made by the same and perhaps Krux is the same too?, never seen Krux but the Thunder and Indy ones look/feel very similar to me.

Krux and Indy aftermarkets are the same.  Thunder stock and aftermarket are both different.  you can tell this because Indy aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 26, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded

What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 26, 2016, 09:35:36 PM
I'm riding 129s with blue Indy barrels. I put mini logo pivot cups in these, they're garbage. Quiet, but still garbage.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 26, 2016, 10:59:32 PM
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aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
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What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?

That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.  Regarding the cut differences, look at the bottoms of stock indy or thunder bushings and then look at the stock krux or aftermarket indy.  you'll see the circles where they quality bushings were CNC cut versus a sloppy mold
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 27, 2016, 01:59:42 AM
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i just got done with some back and forth emailing with nhs and now i'm sending in my broken indy hollows for new ones, which i'm hyped on since so far they have been my favorite trucks so far, they just make flipping the board easier and are at just the right height. but for now i'll go back to some thunders i got, might try the thunder hollow lights one of these days.
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Part of the reason why I've never messed with hollow anything. I also feel like they'd feel...well....hollow. Like a dead weight instead of a solid one, even if it's heavy I don't care. I need life in my trucks! Hope those replacements work out for ya though.
it just makes me think i can flip my board better, and i like the lower ride height and it makes the board feel more even, but either way i sent it in a few days ago so i'll see how this pans out, the regular thunders in the mean time is working out pretty good though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 27, 2016, 08:49:25 AM
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aftermarket/krux are cnc precision cut whereas all thunder (and stock indy) are molded
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What exactly does this mean? Are stock bushings on most trucks shitty because they use a low quality urethane?
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.  Regarding the cut differences, look at the bottoms of stock indy or thunder bushings and then look at the stock krux or aftermarket indy.  you'll see the circles where they quality bushings were CNC cut versus a sloppy mold
ahh good observatition, I did notice that my aftermarket Thunders are molded also, but seem to much higher quality urethane than the clear/jelly looking stock ones, seen some reeeeeeal sloppy bushings in Thunders at shops before. Bones are CNC cut too correct? Will CNC always be better than molded, my Thunder aftermarkets seem to ride pretty much the same as my aftermarket Indy's of the same Duro.
Are all bushings made in China? I can't see any "made in" info on my old packaging
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on March 27, 2016, 09:20:29 AM
That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 27, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.

You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 28, 2016, 12:01:17 AM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though

yeah i've wrote on here before that i was a big fan of bones mediums in thunders. last year something made me get the rebuild kit (95 duro) and i feel in love.. tried the yellowish/clear ones and they were TOO soft for me. i dig the aftermarket ones.. never tried the white ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on March 28, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though

Is there a certain method to breaking them in better? I've always just installed them and let it ride. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 28, 2016, 04:34:12 AM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
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Is there a certain method to breaking them in better? I've always just installed them and let it ride. 

Basically force yourself to skate them really loose for 2-3 days mostly cruising/carving around and then tighten them to your preferred tightness. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 28, 2016, 05:11:21 AM
Jason Adams said doing slappies is a good way to break in new trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 28, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
I don't remember where I read it (might have actually been Reed/Lenny, can't remember though) but they said that all of the stock thunder bushings are the same duro. I've only ridden the yellowish clear ones, and some aftermarket ones, but if all the stocks are the same duro, shouldn't they all feel the same? I can't imagine they would purposefully make some stock ones better than others. Would the dye (or whatever they use to change the color) have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 28, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
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That is why most stock bushings suck.  The urethane is lower quality and has poor rebound.
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I gotta disagree with this. I've been skating stock Thunder bushings for about a year an a half, and they're perfect.
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You're right, the Thunder stock white bushings are great.  They're the only thing I skate in my thunders now that I've learned how to properly break in bushings.  The stock thunder clear yellow ones are pretty terrible though
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I don't remember where I read it (might have actually been Reed/Lenny, can't remember though) but they said that all of the stock thunder bushings are the same duro. I've only ridden the yellowish clear ones, and some aftermarket ones, but if all the stocks are the same duro, shouldn't they all feel the same? I can't imagine they would purposefully make some stock ones better than others. Would the dye (or whatever they use to change the color) have anything to do with it?

The white ones and the clear yellow ones might be the same duro (duro measurements for both bushings and wheels are notoriously inaccurate in skateboarding) but the yellow bushings are without a doubt more mushy and have less rebound than the white ones.  No idea if that has anything to do with clear vs solid colored urethane or what.

Ripped laces noted the same thing http://www.rippedlaces.com/2014/04/yes-the-new-thunder-149ii-is-different-better/ (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2014/04/yes-the-new-thunder-149ii-is-different-better/)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 06:39:43 AM
Anyone have any experience with Indy's aftermarket pivot cups and can compare them to Khiro's?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 08:31:20 AM
Anyone have any experience with Indy's aftermarket pivot cups and can compare them to Khiro's?

If you have stage 11's the aftermarket pivot cups are exactly the same as stock.  They're a hard plastic whereas Khiro are urethane.  Khiro's are higher quality but they don't fit 100% correctly and push the hanger up 1-2mm so I don't use them in Indy's.  Plenty of people do and love them though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 08:33:40 AM
Also, if you're looking to get the best set of pivot cups for Indy's, here ya go http://www.riptidesports.com/indy-cracked-ice/ (http://www.riptidesports.com/indy-cracked-ice/)

They aren't cheap  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 29, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
Hmm...think I may just not mess with the pivot cups then. Never did before and never broke any, but when someone mentioned those Khiro softs in Ace's I figured maybe trying them but nevermind if they're gonna fit weird.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 29, 2016, 09:53:28 AM
$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.

The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

On Ace trucks the Khiro's stick up a bit but the actual depth is the same as the stock cups unlike Indy.  We're literally only talking 1-2 mm here so It likely doesn't matter at all similar to how using Bones bushings can slightly alter the geometry of a truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on March 29, 2016, 09:06:08 PM
Big news in the truck world today:

Ace is buying out Venture and will now be Ace Ventura.

Krux is buying Tracker and now they'll be Kracker trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on March 30, 2016, 07:12:02 AM
 :o Two good trucks taking a turn for the worse.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on March 30, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.

Hmm not sure what bushings you have with that but they shouldnt have any oil or goop on them.  One time like 10 years ago I made the mistake of putting speed cream on my bushings and it made the board almost impossible to skate.  I had to take them off and wipe both the bushings and trucks down with rubbing alcohol

I do however put a drop or two of oil in my pivot cups which helps them break in faster, last longer and squeak less
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UserFame on March 30, 2016, 02:25:27 PM
I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 30, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?

Only if you use the top bushing on the bottom and the bottom on the top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: shitdick22 on March 30, 2016, 08:08:06 PM
Tensor baseplates
Thunder Hangers
Pivot cup doesn't fit so its wobbly and keeps me on my toes
3 bones soft bushings all broken
1 normal tensor bushing so my back truck is a little tighter

None of my friends can ride my board
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 30, 2016, 08:37:00 PM
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is it bad to stock up on things like bushings and pivot cups? I've noticed with bushings there's an oily goop on them when they're new. wondering if they'll dry out if you have them in storage for a long time.
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Hmm not sure what bushings you have with that but they shouldnt have any oil or goop on them.  One time like 10 years ago I made the mistake of putting speed cream on my bushings and it made the board almost impossible to skate.  I had to take them off and wipe both the bushings and trucks down with rubbing alcohol

I do however put a drop or two of oil in my pivot cups which helps them break in faster, last longer and squeak less

"Goop" was not a good choice of word on my part. The Indy aftermarkets I've bought all had a film of some kind of oil, I assume to keep them from drying out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: UserFame on March 31, 2016, 12:33:57 AM
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I have some Indy trucks, will my skating experience really improve if I put some Bones bushings on them?

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Only if you use the top bushing on the bottom and the bottom on the top.

ok, but will it me a much better experience if if I put them Bones?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on March 31, 2016, 01:27:05 AM
man my dumbass mailed the trucks in a week ago almost, and i didn't even include a note or what my address was in the email so they knew what box, so now i have to email them again to see whats up. also thank you steve, i never even thought about putting some oil in the pivot cups, it's threads and stuff like this that makes you realize all the small details that goes into everything, it's crazy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on April 01, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
I am having a serious truck crisis, been skating the standard stage 11 indys on 8.25 board but been lately missing for more lightness so been thinking about sizing down to 8.1 but then I dont know what hell to ride truck wise.

Been thinking about forged 139 indys cause they are slightly lower and lighter than what I am riding but people been sayin they function different because of the forging and a stiffer kingpin.

Then been thinking about 147 regular thunders but scared that they are too low cause I like my trucks medium loose so wheelbite cause they only 49.something millimeters high.

I have skated 149 indys on a 8.1 before and that was alright so thought about the thunder 149 2s cause they are bit higher than the regular thunders.

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 01, 2016, 11:29:25 AM
I am having a serious truck crisis, been skating the standard stage 11 indys on 8.25 board but been lately missing for more lightness so been thinking about sizing down to 8.1 but then I dont know what hell to ride truck wise.

Been thinking about forged 139 indys cause they are slightly lower and lighter than what I am riding but people been sayin they function different because of the forging and a stiffer kingpin.

Then been thinking about 147 regular thunders but scared that they are too low cause I like my trucks medium loose so wheelbite cause they only 49.something millimeters high.

I have skated 149 indys on a 8.1 before and that was alright so thought about the thunder 149 2s cause they are bit higher than the regular thunders.

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?

I can't imagine forged Indy's functioning any different than standard Indy's.  We're only talking about 1.5mm.  Not sure what the "stiffer kingpin" is in reference too but the kingpins are the same

I go back and forth between Indy and Thunder 149's.  Right now I'm skating the Thunder's on a, 8.38 / 14.25" WB deck.  I feel off when I do this with Indy's but for some reason it's been perfect with my Thunders.

Heritage skates 149 Thunders on 8.1 decks but I couldn't personally do it.  The Thunder 147's are too low for me.

I suggest going with 139 Indy's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Dima on April 01, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
yeah I feel like getting bit closer to the ground so that 1,5mm and 52s instead of 53s should take care of that.

Dunno how trustworthy this is but anyways : http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.fi/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.fi/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html)

"Independent 149 Forged Hollow Stage X Mark II - The Indy Forged Hollow (FH) trucks are the strict disciplinarians of the truck world. The Indy FHs harshly punish you when you don't flick just right, or don't tap just right, or turn just a little off, or don't land squarely on the bolts. The forged baseplates and stiffer kingpin remove all slop from the trucks. These trucks will throw you off your board unless you are a perfectionist in feet placement and body position. As promised, the Indy FHs feel light and responsive. Adjusting lines, however, is only moderately quick, mainly because of the lower height and subsequent tendency to wheelbite."

But I do agree that the regular thunder 147 at the 49mm height is too low and everyones board who skates has pretty tight trucks so maybe that is for a reason cause them fuckers so low.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on April 01, 2016, 12:39:44 PM

Any long term indy users who have made the switch to thunders, does the change in wheelbase and the height make a big difference?

I skated indy for years, then thunder for years, then indy for years...then about a year ago I stripped the axl on a set of indys and tried thunders again.  I feel like I was always adjusting/experimenting with the thunders (i.e. trying new hangers, trying Titantium/hollow/combos) to get them to feel just right.  and if I was still skating em, I'd probably be posting in this thread all the time.

the height definitely made a different to me (and the turn)...I got wheelbite all the time with 52mm and even considered going down to 50mm wheels to avoid it.  with Indys, I skate em really loose with 52mm and only get wheelbite when I really land wonky on the board.

long and short of it...I went back to Indys at the start of winter...and I haven't messed with them or thought about trucks since.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 01, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
Before and After
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4033adec5d78035a50fae9cf5551dcbb/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco2_540.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b55507bfb741b356bef2e31abf07e967/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco4_540.jpg)
So clearence wise the krux kingpin didn't make too big of a difference, but I did notice that it is way more forgiving on grinds then my regular kingpin. If i dipped a grind a bit too much on the wrong ledge the kingpin nut would dig in and I'd hang up, but thats not a problem with the krux's. Kind of just grind smoothly over most stuff, so its worth it just not having to worry about that anymore.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/425e67f2ec1f16b19b06a9a937e818b0/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco5_540.jpg)
JB Weld didn't work as well as I expected, but thats probably because I set my trucks up to wobble, and its about 40F degrees outside. One nut came completely loose and I had to peel all the epoxy out and reset it. Wasn't that difficult to do though. There is still a tiny bit of wobble in each kingpin but that doesn't really bother me.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/bedec79254b7611ac5e476bc3cd1d6b1/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco6_540.jpg)
Realized there was a crack in my back hangar. Don't think it will do much but I put a bunch of JB weld over it to keep it from spreading.

EDIT: Got to skate a box and bank to parking block last night. Smiths and feebles felt perfect. Highly recommend the kingpins after that session.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Are you skating one of the Porous Walker Anti-Hero decks?

Nice job on the trucks by the way. You're dedication to riding that pair til death is admirable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 01, 2016, 02:17:34 PM
Are you skating one of the Porous Walker Anti-Hero decks?

Nice job on the trucks by the way. You're dedication to riding that pair til death is admirable.
Yeah, those graphics are pretty crazy. Don't know much about the artist, but my friend said his instagram is pretty funny too.

Its a bit less riding trucks to death, and more not wanting to buy and ride brand new trucks. Might as well get the most out of them, but I am looking forward to trying out some Ace 44's after this.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
Nice! He's a friend, stoked to see people skating them.

If you dig wobbly Indy's you'll like Ace, according to everyone I've talked with about them. Never skated a pair myself. Pretty happy with the stage 11's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 01, 2016, 05:03:53 PM
Not sure by how much...one thing to consider w. Ace is there is less truck than an Indy.....looks like you grind a bit...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 02, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
Yeah, and it sounds like the metal may be a bit softer, so I'm not expecting them to last as long as Indy's. I just went through this entire thread and couldn't find it, but I read somewhere that Aces are the best for wobbly trucks, all the rattle, but less wheel bite and more stability than wobbly Indy's. That pretty much sold me. Brand new with the right bushings, wobbly Indy's can feel great and really stable, but over time they lose a lot of stability and blow out a lot easier.
Won't have a problem switching back to Independent, but I'm really looking forward to trying Aces. Even if I don't like them for my regular setup I'll throw them on cruiser.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 02, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
^This is the second or third time now where I've watched your signature of Strange carving that pool for a good two minutes or more. He did that riding Ace's too ;)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 02, 2016, 05:23:21 PM
Yeah, and it sounds like the metal may be a bit softer, so I'm not expecting them to last as long as Indy's. I just went through this entire thread and couldn't find it, but I read somewhere that Aces are the best for wobbly trucks, all the rattle, but less wheel bite and more stability than wobbly Indy's. That pretty much sold me. Brand new with the right bushings, wobbly Indy's can feel great and really stable, but over time they lose a lot of stability and blow out a lot easier. I put wheel wells through an entire ply once.
Won't have a problem switching back to Independent, but I'm really looking forward to trying Aces. Even if I don't like them for my regular setup I'll throw them on cruiser.

If you like loose Indys you love Aces. But the transition between the two different trucks is pretty easy. Ace are lower but for some reason I get less wheelbite.... I'm pretty hooked on them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 02, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Yep....ace are the craziest truck out there....you wanna break out the slalom cones....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 02, 2016, 10:51:44 PM
Before and After
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/3d09548123b5c8a5cae1c7b2903b840c/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco1_540.jpg)
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/8227ff7fce945e11b9ec2325dd4b06da/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco3_540.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4033adec5d78035a50fae9cf5551dcbb/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco2_540.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/b55507bfb741b356bef2e31abf07e967/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco4_540.jpg)
So clearence wise the krux kingpin didn't make too big of a difference, but I did notice that it is way more forgiving on grinds then my regular kingpin. If i dipped a grind a bit too much on the wrong ledge the kingpin nut would dig in and I'd hang up, but thats not a problem with the krux's. Kind of just grind smoothly over most stuff, so its worth it just not having to worry about that anymore.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/425e67f2ec1f16b19b06a9a937e818b0/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco5_540.jpg)
JB Weld didn't work as well as I expected, but thats probably because I set my trucks up to wobble, and its about 40F degrees outside. One nut came completely loose and I had to peel all the epoxy out and reset it. Wasn't that difficult to do though. There is still a tiny bit of wobble in each kingpin but that doesn't really bother me.
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/bedec79254b7611ac5e476bc3cd1d6b1/tumblr_o4y63wYwbV1unnraco6_540.jpg)
Realized there was a crack in my back hangar. Don't think it will do much but I put a bunch of JB weld over it to keep it from spreading.

EDIT: Got to skate a box and bank to parking block last night. Smiths and feebles felt perfect. Highly recommend the kingpins after that session.

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii285/wmspins/futurama-fry-meme-generator-not-sure-if-serious-or-just-trolling-104db8.jpg)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii285/wmspins/yay-i-love-stickers.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swagsurfer on April 03, 2016, 11:04:27 PM
people skating 7.75's,

is it worth it to step up the width of the truck from a 5.0/145/129 to a 5.25/147/139?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 03, 2016, 11:12:22 PM
people skating 7.75's,

is it worth it to step up the width of the truck from a 5.0/145/129 to a 5.25/147/139?


Nah. I'm doing it right now because I gave my 129s to a friend who needed a new setup, but 129s are perfect on a 7.75.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ferraveemo on April 07, 2016, 12:49:31 AM
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$14 for pivot cups...

Seems like the stock Ace ones have improved. Steve, are they plastic or urethane, do you know?

Also stock Ace bushings seem to be really good quality these days. I had to sand down the tops to get a looser turn and they're perhaps a tad too hard for my tastes but with warmer weather coming thats OK.

Also a big fan of the white stock Thunders, like other people mentioned.
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The stock Ace ones are plastic as well.  Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups.  It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used.  Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).

Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out.  Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop.  I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups. 

On Ace trucks the Khiro's stick up a bit but the actual depth is the same as the stock cups unlike Indy.  We're literally only talking 1-2 mm here so It likely doesn't matter at all similar to how using Bones bushings can slightly alter the geometry of a truck

1-2mm is really not noticeable but you could feel it. If i remember the re-designed 44's had a protruding pivot cups and it almost looks like when you have the khiro's on. i remember on my first day of the re-designed 44's the front truck pivot cup blew out after a couple of slappy's on the first session and it also did the same when i replaced them with the aftermarket indy pivot cups.

bit the bullet and bought a couple of sets of the khiro's soft and hard. put on the soft on my aces a couple of days ago and they haven't blown out yet, my only grief about them is that it doesn't give me the ace turn i used to get with my stock's and indy pivot cups. it almost adds a quick rebound to the trucks and i don't like that.

also for those who's had the old aces. i seen a friend's and he has bones bushings on them and they fit just right. I'm not sure if they changed the kingpins on the redesigned because when i have bones on. there's atleast 6-7 threads out and makes the kingpin stick out and exposed. not sure if i got one with longer kingpin screw but i went back to stock because i couldn't stand the look of it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 07, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 07, 2016, 02:42:36 PM
Im curious about eh Gullwings too kinda sad to think they will be/are the only made in USA skateboard trucks
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 07, 2016, 03:41:08 PM
So I've been lurking Gullwing's instagram since they came out with those made in USA Shadows. I feel like I maybe wanna try 'em out, but then I discovered they're owned by sector 9 and when I checked out sector 9's instagram it was fuckin kookville...

What do you guys think? They have some solid riders backing their trucks but I'm thinking maybe there's a legitimate reason why they aren't very popular and not because they aren't trendy, but maybe they just suck?

I have an older pair of gullwings 9" shadows (like 2012) and they are legit, heavy as fuck. I only use them on my cruiser but I like the way they turn honestly.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 07, 2016, 09:02:36 PM
Oh, and I just discovered these...

(http://i.imgur.com/3q3POqal.jpg)

http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/12/paris-street-trucks-169.html (http://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2013/12/paris-street-trucks-169.html)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 06:55:01 AM
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg (http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 08, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
^ 57mm is insanely high for a street truck.  The only truck I've considered outside of all the normal street brands were the new Caliber hollows - http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg (http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hollow_main-450x450.jpg)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshGbbWaxJs#)

Stop it...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 08, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........

guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/caliber_precision_qtr_2.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
gimme a minute and I'll be going OFF about extended race bearings.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 08, 2016, 09:55:06 AM
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on April 08, 2016, 10:44:50 AM
Will using no bushings increase my risk of getting an std?
..Silly question. Of course it will!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: themanwhomakes on April 08, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
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See......someone mentions gullwing and suddenly we're dippin into some seismics........
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guys, do you think these are good for nose and tailslides?

(http://calibertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/caliber_precision_qtr_2.jpg)

 :D

Real talk a guy i know that longboards always tries to get me to ride his shit and he has some caliber trucks and kept telling me they're really good for manuals, so i cool guyed him for months until one day he pretty much made me try them out, and i straight up manualed for like a quarter mile down a hill first try haha. Don't worry, im still on stage 11 149's and will most likely be forever. Out of everything i've rode they just make skating make the most sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 08, 2016, 11:13:49 PM
Never had back tails until I tried them on a drop board.....life changer.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on April 09, 2016, 07:05:09 PM
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 09, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?


Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 09, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 09, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
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I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.

You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on April 10, 2016, 04:57:14 AM
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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.

Leaning more towards Ace now I know they're lower than stage 11s, thanks. That's what's putting me off Krux. I don't want something as high as stage 11s, but I don't mind if they're 8.5. 8.375 width is good with me. I used to skate 139s, but I can't see myself going back down to that width even though I'm downsizing in board size.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 10, 2016, 06:05:34 AM
going down to thunder 147 hi's and a 8.1 something w/ wider wheels can be pretty revolutionary, light but still roomy
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 12, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
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Currently skating regular Indy 149s (medium aftermarkets, one washer, pretty loose), but now that I am only skating 8 - 8.25 instead of the odd 8.375, I want to try something else.

Here's what I'm considering:

Indy 149 forged - I like the 8.125/8.25 with 149s combo, but I've never messed with hollow trucks. Tempted by the stage 10 height.
Ace 44s - Less mass sounds good and there's the appeal of something new, but not sure of their height?
Krux K4 8.25s - Same height as stage 11s, but the 8.25 axle is tempting and I like the way Krux grind.
Thunder 149 equivalent - Never skated Thunder (or Ace). Worried they might be too low.

Leaning towards the forged 149s.

Should I just stick to what I've got so I can stay out of this thread?

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Indy 149's are great. I've never messed with hollow anything. Personally though, if I was going down below an 8.5" deck, I wouldn't get trucks that would be wider than it.

Ace 44's are roughly 8.375" wide and would be best for the 8.25"-8.5" range. The height is 53mm but the way they're designed you can get an insane turn with pretty much no wheelbite. I'd try them out if I were you.

Thunders 149's have a good responsive turn but you get a lot of wheelbite. Ace's have a Thunder turn but even better. Only drawback is the metal is a bit softer like Krux, where they grind smoother and longer but they wear down a little quicker.
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I'm riding Thunder 149ii's with some 56mm Spitfire Classics, and I weigh 200lbs. I'm riding the trucks with no bottom washer and the turn is awesome and it's pretty loose, and surprisingly there isn't too much wheelbite. I go by the whole "if you can't ollie up it, don't ollie down it" so I can't say anything about gaps, but my skating is super sloppy so there's a lot of times where I should wheelbite but it's really not that bad. I'd definitely suggest the thunders.
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You're riding the stock bushings? There's no fuckin' way with 56mm wheels and no bottom washer at 200lbs...

I weigh a little more than you, I would come to a screeching halt from that wheelbite lol
I forgot to mention that I skate ridiculously slow (seriously, really slow) since I'm a pussy, so even when I do wheelbite I can just straighten the board out and be good. I'm so used to wheelbite that the second the wheel hits the board I just lean the other way and I'm good. That being said I still don't get a lot of wheelbite on my current setup. I also only have like 10 decent flatground tricks and I do them so often that I land them perfectly now.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 12, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)

I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 12, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
I've had trouble with their old design in the past but have been considering giving the redesign a shot. Let us know how they are with axles bending. That was my biggest problem.

I've been skating mine for awhile now and no issues. According to Joey himself, he claimed it was a production flaw and not a design flaw with the whole bending thing. Mine are the new redesigns and I also haven't read any comments on them bending anymore. I think you'll be good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 12, 2016, 08:49:44 PM
Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
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Back on Ace.  The turn and stability is too good to not have a pair in the rotation.  Not sure if I'll be able to stick with them long term but it's easy to see why people love them so much

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160412_142316_zpsaxpxp4h7.jpg.html)
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My trucks kicked the bucket today. Need to order a pair of these ASAP. How do you tell the new design from the old? Is SoCal the go to for ordering Ace's. As for aftermarket stuff to try out, are Krux bushings and Kiro pivot cups the way to go? Figure Ill try it out stock set-up, but it would be nice to have some options, and I can never have enough spare parts.   

In BMC's photo you can see where the pivot meets the hanger and how far the 'wings' go out, almost touching the 44

Here is the old design, the 'wings' don't even come close to the 44s.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/6qpa/9/ace-44-hi-skateboard-trucks-silver.jpg)

Only the 44/55/66s were improved. You can easily ask Socalskateshop to make sure you get the stage IIs. The Diamond colorways (white and teal) have also been updated.

As for it being a 'manufacturing' defect, I call bullshit. If it was, we'd still be riding the 'narrow' winged hanger and not the reinforced one...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on April 12, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
Only the 44/55/66s were improved.

So the 33s are okay then? ???
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 12, 2016, 09:55:18 PM
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2016, 11:18:04 PM
SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.

I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on April 12, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Thanks guys, ordered some 44's with Krux bushings, and both the hard and soft Khiro pivot cups just in case. I'll post whatever I end up running with.  
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 12, 2016, 11:34:57 PM
A couple of weeks ago I got the grey AVE 139s because the shop was out of raws for whatever reason. They were $10 more, but whatever. Before I set them up I noticed the baseplate on one wasn't flat and fucking wobbled. Contacted nhs and sent it in. Shipping and everything, these are now $65 Indys I didn't really want in the first place. Still haven't gotten a replacement back either, but I've been hurt so whatever.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 13, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
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Only the 44/55/66s were improved.
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So the 33s are okay then? ???

My guess is the smaller sizes were less prone to bending. so the 33s are probably just fine.

Also note the updated hangers have more metal around the axle, so they should last longer. Only downside is, they might be heavier than the originals. I was one of those people who held off Ace for a long time but couldn't resist after the redesign. I've been using the 44s and 55s, best turning trucks I've ever owned- stock bottom bushings, krux top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 13, 2016, 07:26:01 AM
A couple of weeks ago I got the grey AVE 139s because the shop was out of raws for whatever reason. They were $10 more, but whatever. Before I set them up I noticed the baseplate on one wasn't flat and fucking wobbled. Contacted nhs and sent it in. Shipping and everything, these are now $65 Indys I didn't really want in the first place. Still haven't gotten a replacement back either, but I've been hurt so whatever.

curious but do they have 'usa' stamped on the underside of the baseplate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 13, 2016, 08:20:19 AM
No. The bar code sticker says "mfg in USA from US & imported parts." It's a cast baseplate so I'm sure it's still poured at Ermico. In hindsight I probably should have just gone back to the shop as soon as I noticed, but didn't want to deal with driving 40 miles round trip again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: johnes on April 13, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
Ive tried out some of the new Mini logo bushings, I didn't like the way the hard ones felt, my turns didnt feel too smooth. I switched to new mediums and they are great. Right now I've got the mediums without washers on my trucks and it's working out pretty well.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Wizard Fight on April 13, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
Indy 149s with stock bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 14, 2016, 05:27:36 PM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).

Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 15, 2016, 09:24:32 AM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
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Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.

Someone on one of Ace's instagram posts asked if he fixed the bending issue and he responded that it was a production issue, not a design flaw. So whether it was or not, the issue seems to be fixed either way.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 15, 2016, 02:57:32 PM
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SoCal has the "stage 2" redesigns for 44, 55, 66. They do not have any of the "stage 1's" in those sizes, so you're fine...you don't have to ask before you order. Get the Krux bushings for sure, Khiro pivot cups are optional if you wanna have some extra ones for backup. Mine are still fine but I'll get around to ordering some Khiro's eventually.

Lastly, I'm not saying what Joey said is true, just repeating what he said.
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I know, I read that quote too, it just doesn't make any sense. You don't reinforce something if you don't need too, axles were bending so they reinforced the hanger with more metal (just like every other truck out there does....except for 215s it seems).
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Where is the quote talking about this?

My thunders are bent so badly, I don't want to skate them anymore. Hopefully the Ace redesign is the best option.
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Someone on one of Ace's instagram posts asked if he fixed the bending issue and he responded that it was a production issue, not a design flaw. So whether it was or not, the issue seems to be fixed either way.

Good to know, hopefully it's not bullshit. I'll get Aces next time.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 16, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
I put the bushings from the 90a Thunder Rebuilt Kit into my aces, and I'm in love. I riding it without the bottom bushings so there's a little wobble, and my god do they turn fast. They're still really stable even though there's the wobble, so turning is super sharp and fast but going fast feels just fine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Porkchop Sandwiches on April 18, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2016, 11:55:47 AM
Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?

By regular thunders do you mean the team plates (no hollow shmallow stuff?)

Krux's will be lighter and turn like Indys as well as be as tall as Indys 55mm.

Thunders will lower and are twitchier.

What terrain do you skate?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on April 18, 2016, 01:06:14 PM
I put the bushings from the 90a Thunder Rebuilt Kit into my aces, and I'm in love. I riding it without the bottom bushings so there's a little wobble, and my god do they turn fast. They're still really stable even though there's the wobble, so turning is super sharp and fast but going fast feels just fine.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Brazzers-logo.png)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Porkchop Sandwiches on April 18, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
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Not sure if the right place to ask. Should I get Krux K4's or regular Thunder polished trucks?
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By regular thunders do you mean the team plates (no hollow shmallow stuff?)

Krux's will be lighter and turn like Indys as well as be as tall as Indys 55mm.

Thunders will lower and are twitchier.

What terrain do you skate?
I've been skating a lot of flatground with Indys and i want to try something else. By twitchy do you mean responsive?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 19, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Quicker sharper turn with Thunders, not as 'deep'' as Indy. Thunder could better for flat ground than Indy depending on your taste. They are stable until you want them to turn but won't turn as much, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 20, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)

BIG box of ACE 55s, dude reaches in and grabs two, packages them up. Happened to me during the great Thunder 149 switchover, got an old and new design.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 20, 2016, 12:55:19 PM
good chance to compare them i suppose...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 20, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
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Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
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BIG box of ACE 55s, dude reaches in and grabs two, packages them up. Happened to me during the great Thunder 149 switchover, got an old and new design.

that'd drive me crazy! for a business to make a mistake like that is unacceptable!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 20, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
^Eh to be fair even though it could be considered Ace's "Stage II" it was not advertised like Indy does with all their stages or like Thunder with their 149's.

If a merchant doesn't get the memo, the employees are just packing orders as quickly as possible so they're not going to be looking for anything besides making sure the set is the same size.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ug8RL2dm.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 20, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
^Eh to be fair even though it could be considered Ace's "Stage II" it was not advertised like Indy does with all their stages or like Thunder with their 149's.

If a merchant doesn't get the memo, the employees are just packing orders as quickly as possible so they're not going to be looking for anything besides making sure the set is the same size.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ug8RL2dm.jpg)

yup, simple mistake and skatewarehouse is always great so I don't fault them.  I literally order from them twice a month. 


I can wait a couple extra days, it's not like I have a shortage of trucks  :D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on April 21, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)

BMCsteve do you know if the taper on the stage 1's causes the wheel to be pushed more outwards than the stage 2's?  Or is it that the stage 2's  have just a longer hanger?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 21, 2016, 11:15:28 AM
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Bought some Ace 55's from skatewarehouse and it looks like I got one truck with the updated hanger (without the taper) and one older hanger (with the taper)

I sent the truck with the taper back for an exchange.  super weird though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/ace_zpseoxj0qet.jpg.html)
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BMCsteve do you know if the taper on the stage 1's causes the wheel to be pushed more outwards than the stage 2's?  Or is it that the stage 2's  have just a longer hanger?

The stage 1's are meant to be used with one washer on the outside bearing.  The stage 2's are meant to be used with two washers (one on each side) which makes them equal.  I know a lot of people skating Ace's would put the washer on the inside of Stage 1's as well to make them closer to an 8.5 truck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 21, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
i've been using no washers on the inside of the 55s as there is still enough taper to not rub against the bearing shields. i use the two washers on the outside to limit thread exposure...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
i've been using no washers on the inside of the 55s as there is still enough taper to not rub against the bearing shields. i use the two washers on the outside to limit thread exposure...

That's the whole pint of the taper! You're rocking them as intended. Depending on the wheel I might still throw one or two on the inside (With skinnier wheels I've had to put three or four deep to limit nut exposure....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 21, 2016, 02:35:22 PM
Never actually knew that about the Stage 1's, I always put one inside and out like any other truck. I can't decide whether I like the look of the old design or the new one. Both are very nice...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on April 22, 2016, 11:12:19 PM
I recall 'speed rings' which were concave to create the same bevel effect......

You guys so much frankentrucking?  Like a gullwing hanger on a venture baseplate? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.

Indy's work but you'll get 'the rattle.' i think the blues are the equivalent duro to krux. i'd personally stick with the cylinders to limit wheel bite. you can def use harder bushings in ace than you would in other trucks...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 11:40:18 AM
it would be great if ace made some softer bushings, the same size and shape as their stock ones...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 24, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
I recall 'speed rings' which were concave to create the same bevel effect......

You guys so much frankentrucking?  Like a gullwing hanger on a venture baseplate? 
I tried indy hangers on thunder base plates, it was terrible
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
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Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
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Indy's work but you'll get 'the rattle.' i think the blues are the equivalent duro to krux. i'd personally stick with the cylinders to limit wheel bite. you can def use harder bushings in ace than you would in other trucks...

So even with the standard size Indy cylinders the trucks rattle? I'm thinking of trying Indy softs. I've never tried soft bushings since I'm a little over 200lbs but since there's pretty much no wheelbite with Ace I'm thinking I may be ok with softs?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 24, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 06:01:20 PM
i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +

I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
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Post by: BMCsteve on April 24, 2016, 07:11:19 PM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!

Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 
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Post by: Main on April 24, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
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Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 

Steve with the reply #666 8)

The rattling obviously won't be Matt Rodriguez level, so it probably wouldn't be something to worry about right? No hanger popping out of the pivot or anything drastic like that?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 04:25:49 AM
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i'm the same weight and tried the 90a (reds) with the cylindrical buttons. plenty of rattle. feels good but you will get wheel bite with wheels 54mm +
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I'm fine with wheelbite as long as it's not bad enough to bring me to a screeching halt. Well, I'll go back forth between the Krux or the Indy softs in my head for a bit before I decide. Thanks dude!
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Krux are softer than the stock Ace's and are the exact same height so you wont get any rattle.  the top bushing on Indy's is shorter so your going to either get rattle or a few threads showing. 
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Steve with the reply #666 8)

The rattling obviously won't be Matt Rodriguez level, so it probably wouldn't be something to worry about right? No hanger popping out of the pivot or anything drastic like that?

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nah, it wont be anything too crazy but it would drive me crazy haha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 04:33:04 AM
OK, here's a pic of the Indy & Ace bushings side by side.  I wouldn't do it because the Indy bottom bushing is shorter than the Ace bottom bushing.  That will alter the geometry of the truck slightly and put some additional pressure on the hanger pivot which Ace can be prone to breaking

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20160425_042632_zpslwahxsmc.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20160425_042632_zpslwahxsmc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
Thanks for the pic. I'm definitely going to try the Khiro pivots, and since those raise the truck 1-2mm looks like the Indy bushings may not be a good choice after all.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 25, 2016, 08:58:28 AM
Something changed between the old 44s and the new. The old pair I had, had to crank them down to avoid getting pitched from wheelbite. New ones have to be loosened up a few turns from flush to get them to turn. I'm in to them though, might be a convert.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 09:40:42 AM
Something changed between the old 44s and the new. The old pair I had, had to crank them down to avoid getting pitched from wheelbite. New ones have to be loosened up a few turns from flush to get them to turn. I'm in to them though, might be a convert.

It's the harder bushings they put into the new ones. I had the same problem and it took awhile to break them in. I'm still on the hunt for better bushings to put in them soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on April 25, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
I recently ran new ace hangers on the old mag plates using a number of bushing combos: Bones, krux, ACE, thunder, and aftermarket indy.

After riding 147/149 thunders with soft bones, I could not get aces/krux combo to feel right at all, it was as if they wouldn't turn, so bizzare but I guess I really got used to the loose floop of the thunder/bones combo (wheelbite and all)

The only two that worked well were indy red (88a) conicals and the bones med bottom/soft top combo  - love the way that combination works, easily my favorite combo in just about any truck.

I'd suggest the 88a red conicals, depending on how you want them to turn.

I ride looser than most but not rattle loose.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on April 25, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
you can buy Ace bushings on Socal but I wonder if they're the old or new formula http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on April 25, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
I recently ran new ace hangers on the old mag plates using a number of bushing combos: Bones, krux, ACE, thunder, and aftermarket indy.

After riding 147/149 thunders with soft bones, I could not get aces/krux combo to feel right at all, it was as if they wouldn't turn, so bizzare but I guess I really got used to the loose floop of the thunder/bones combo (wheelbite and all)

The only two that worked well were indy red (88a) conicals and the bones med bottom/soft top combo  - love the way that combination works, easily my favorite combo in just about any truck.

I'd suggest the 88a red conicals, depending on how you want them to turn.

I ride looser than most but not rattle loose.

that's right. the reds are 88a.

on my 55s i run stock bottom and bones med top, risers and 58mm wheels. on my 44s i run stock bottom and krux top, no risers and 54mm. wheel rub but no bite.

going back to my old crusty thunder 151s on my next set up just to mix things up a bit.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on April 25, 2016, 03:03:30 PM
you can buy Ace bushings on Socal but I wonder if they're the old or new formula http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081)

Shit, I totally forgot about that. SoCal has had those for a long time, so I'm going to guess they're the older more soft formula. I think that may have just solved my bushing dilemma haha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 26, 2016, 08:52:02 AM
I'm just going to run these 44s stock. I can't afford to be that neurotic anymore.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on May 02, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
Just curious if it's me, but has anyone else had problems with thunders and axle slip? Last set I had seemed like I got axle slip instantly, but I lived with it and skated them for 2 years. About a month ago I set up a new set, and now those slip. I can live with it since I'm used to it and I like thunders. But am I just having bad luck, or is this happening to others?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on May 02, 2016, 06:57:01 PM
Just curious if it's me, but has anyone else had problems with thunders and axle slip? Last set I had seemed like I got axle slip instantly, but I lived with it and skated them for 2 years. About a month ago I set up a new set, and now those slip. I can live with it since I'm used to it and I like thunders. But am I just having bad luck, or is this happening to others?

Absolutely. I didn't want to say anything because I back Thunders pretty hard (for the last 2 decades in fact) but I've had 3 sets of Titaniums in the last 12 months and the axles slip in all of them. Same as you Stanley, I just skate them and live with it but I do think it's a little unusual.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 02, 2016, 07:01:40 PM
Man....I skated various trucks for 20 years getting axel slip on everything...theeves, mult sets of indys....thunders....I now have tih's. My new theory is riding those extended race bearings....if you can tighten the nut super tight you'll never get slippage.....

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alonelikeastone on May 02, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.




Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 02, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.

(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 02, 2016, 11:59:16 PM
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I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.
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(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
They're 55 mm tall like the regular iny's
They are made of 4140 Chromoly Steel  and have a grade 8 kingpin just like the regular ones
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on May 03, 2016, 12:49:55 AM
Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.

Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

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I ride indy trucks, 159, and put 2 to 3 washers on the axle so I get full use of the hanger when grinding. I love medium Powell bushings ... on the back truck I use a top washer only,  and no washers on the front truck as I like it looser than the front. I like the back loose and the front on the verge of wobbly, but not Daewon wobbly.
I use vaseline or wax or even powell bearing oil in my pivot cups as it stops the squeaking and gets the truck turing real fast and smooth, not so sticky and jumpy. Actually there is bicycle grease you can get that stays in place under pressure much better than the other 3 I mentioned. But I don't always have that kicking around. I swear it lasts in the cup much longer before the squeaking starts up again.
And I wax the bottom of my baseplate to stop that (odd but fairly common to me for some reason) creaking sound.

I truly wish they gave Rowley a signature truck that had the geometry and look of the mid stage indy's, but used today's technology.
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(http://i.imgur.com/EAKJvp0l.jpg)
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They're 55 mm tall like the regular iny's
They are made of 4140 Chromoly Steel  and have a grade 8 kingpin just like the regular ones

Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 03, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.

https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley (https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on May 03, 2016, 02:03:19 PM
This has probably already been answered in this thread but I'm too lazy to skim through it, but anyways, do stage 10s and stage 11s have the same hangers, or are stage 11 hangers taller? If I were to replace a stage 11 standard Indy hangar with a stage 10 standard hanger would it feel exactly the same or would it feel off cuz there's a difference in height?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 03, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
This has probably already been answered in this thread but I'm too lazy to skim through it, but anyways, do stage 10s and stage 11s have the same hangers, or are stage 11 hangers taller? If I were to replace a stage 11 standard Indy hangar with a stage 10 standard hanger would it feel exactly the same or would it feel off cuz there's a difference in height?

Same baseplates, different hangers.  You can swap the stage 11 hangers for the stage 10 but you'll have all of the issues that stage 10's had (less of a turning radius, yoke sticking out, less kingpin clearance, etc.)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 03, 2016, 06:19:55 PM
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Isn't Rowely a Stage VII/VIII purist (so was SALBA) IX and X didn't turn well, had washer binding and a pokey yoke; XII fixed most of that stuff. Nice of Indy to give him some extra coin in his pocket with a pro truck.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley (https://www.instagram.com/p/86uMxKtr6L/?taken-by=geoffrowley)
He's a purist but they stamped his name on it to make money (old trucks ain't cheap) but it's pretty much a regular truck.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on May 04, 2016, 01:35:54 AM
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Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
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Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

Any reccomendations on how or who to contact? Sent an email to [email protected], but not sure if thats the best method.

EDIT: Got an email back right away. Said it was the baseplate and that it would need to be replaced. Also they have a warranty program so I can have them exchanged, but I would be without trucks during that time which might suck. Think I'll ride them a bit longer before sending them in. Are the magnesium baseplates worth the cost? Could be a good substitue while shipping the busted ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2016, 07:49:54 PM
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Converted to Ace's last month, but have been kinda busy with school so I haven't skated them much until recently. Set them up with the krux bushings, no bottom washer, with the nut just below flush with the kingpin. Pretty wobbly but really stable.

Honestly it didn't feel like the turn was that much more remarkable than Indy's, not sure if I could even really tell the difference. I don't have a good park to skate but I'm guessing the difference might be more notable pumping around transition. What I did notice is that there is significantly less wheel bite than my indy's had, and thats what really sold me on them so far. I feel like all brand new wobbly trucks are going feel a lot more stable when compared to old and beat up ones.
 
Over the more recent sessions the bushing have packed in a little more, for some extra wobble. I was kinda trying to wait as long as I could before I tightened the kingpin nut any more, but slowly both kingpins have came loose and are moving around. I tightened down the nut and the kingpins don't have too much room to move, but its enough to bug me, and I'm worried that they are just going to get worse. Pretty bummed that this is happening after only 6-7 sessions. Not sure if I can fix them my self, should replace the kingpins completely, or if I should just try to contact Ace about it. Pretty happy with the trucks otherwise, but I don't want to deal with loose kingpins on trucks that are so new.
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Dude, reach out to ACE, your pins shouldn't be wobbling so soon, if ever.

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Any reccomendations on how or who to contact? Sent an email to [email protected], but not sure if thats the best method.

EDIT: Got an email back right away. Said it was the baseplate and that it would need to be replaced. Also they have a warranty program so I can have them exchanged, but I would be without trucks during that time which might suck. Think I'll ride them a bit longer before sending them in. Are the magnesium baseplates worth the cost? Could be a good substitue while shipping the busted ones.

Totally worth it, IMO.  I'm trying to find a backup set but they're no where to be found!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 04, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
The magnesium plates were discontinued because the softer metal was getting demolished pretty easy by people who skated street. A normal cast set will still feel lighter than Indy's, so I wouldn't say you're missing out on much by not having magnesium's.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on May 06, 2016, 06:49:01 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 06:54:24 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?

Yep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 06, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
NO

Get Indy lows and we won't see this type of post again

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Uldis/SK8/Bent%20ACE%20trucks/100_0439.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 06, 2016, 07:31:13 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
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Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 07:48:56 PM
Get Indy lows

Nope.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Tracer on May 06, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
They are the highest of the lows. If you want to get shitty trucks that break be my guest
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 06, 2016, 08:34:59 PM
They are the highest of the lows. If you want to get shitty trucks that break be my guest

Look at the date in the right hand corner of that photo...

The whole bending issue was fixed last year.

Indy's aren't a bad choice but the way he described his ideal truck performance, Ace would be the better of the two.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 06, 2016, 11:15:42 PM
Anyone try Indy's aftermarket bushings in Aces? If so, cylinder or conical, and standard or low?

Bones mediums? Thunder bushings?

Just trying to see if there's other good ones besides Krux specifically for Ace.
I tried the Bones Mediums. Didn't work for me. I LOVE the Thunder 90a rebuild kit bushings in my Aces. Best truck/bushing combo I've ever had. Even with the top washer I can get it wobbly loose, but it's still really stable.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 06, 2016, 11:43:40 PM
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My trusty Ventures died on me today. Trying to figure out what trucks to get next...reading this thread makes me wanna get Ace 44's. I prefer my trucks loose, turny, and not Indy height. Good choice?
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Yep.
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I think Ace 44's are a higher feeling truck.....and to me...they turn very very differently than a venture.....turny and turns good is really subjective. Does anyone say 'I like trucks that don't turn well...' Yet we all,skate different trucks.....

You can ride any truck loose....Dae won rides Tensors loose....

If you liked ventures....thunders?  Or any lo truck.....to me a venture to an ace is like going from a 7.75 to a welcome board....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on May 07, 2016, 04:42:50 AM
Yeah I'm looking for something that turns similar to Venture Hi's (sharper than Indy). I hate Thunders, couldn't get them loose enough to my liking. Indy's are ok too but they're just not as forgiving as Ventures when I land sloppy.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 07, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
Yah I guess maybe try a lo truck ie. Ace or Indy.....or go into a shop and eyeball an ace....most guys I see skating aces skate them rattly ie good for loose truck guys....I don't know if it's the actual height or geometry but aces feel high to me.....

Aces are super fun....I like em....I just think they are much different than ventures....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 11, 2016, 02:44:06 PM
anyone ever try the super soft white Indy aftermarket bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Shartarse on May 11, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
What's the consensus on the best truck for skating fast and bombing hills?

I've been riding ace 44s for the last year and absolutely love them, but because they are so responsive and crazy turny I find that they can be a bit susceptible to speed wobbles and are generally less stable at high speeds unless tightened (which I hate). That's great fun for skating my city but I'm going to be working in up in the Pyrenees over summer (stopping by barca on the way there ;D ) with nothing but crazy hills around me, so want to make a hill bombing setup. My first thought was obviously Indys given the slight deadzone before they start turning, but wanted to check what slap had to say? Do any other trucks compete with Indys for stability? (Excluding all longboard shit that is ;))

Cheers in advance
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 11, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
What's the consensus on the best truck for skating fast and bombing hills?

I've been riding ace 44s for the last year and absolutely love them, but because they are so responsive and crazy turny I find that they can be a bit susceptible to speed wobbles and are generally less stable at high speeds unless tightened (which I hate). That's great fun for skating my city but I'm going to be working in up in the Pyrenees over summer (stopping by barca on the way there ;D ) with nothing but crazy hills around me, so want to make a hill bombing setup. My first thought was obviously Indys given the slight deadzone before they start turning, but wanted to check what slap had to say? Do any other trucks compete with Indys for stability? (Excluding all longboard shit that is ;))

Cheers in advance

Oh you can bomb hills with some loose ass Ace's. Watch Stranger show you how it's done:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEQ2SQcDoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEQ2SQcDoQ#)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 11, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
consider what frank has done on a set of thunders...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 12, 2016, 08:12:40 AM
consider what frank has done on a set of thunders...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 16, 2016, 09:45:21 AM
I have a set of Indy Ti 149's that are a couple years old.  The pivot cup area on the actual baseplate is pretty blown out and there's some lateral wiggle.  I was wondering if I could frankenstein the hangers w/ a set of Stage 10 baseplates?  Would that mess with kingpin clearance at all?  I realize I'd be giving up the hollow kingpin, which isn't a big deal to me.  Just wondering if the kingpin length between Stage 10 and Stage 11's were any different?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 16, 2016, 10:02:36 AM
I have a set of Indy Ti 149's that are a couple years old.  The pivot cup area on the actual baseplate is pretty blown out and there's some lateral wiggle.  I was wondering if I could frankenstein the hangers w/ a set of Stage 10 baseplates?  Would that mess with kingpin clearance at all?  I realize I'd be giving up the hollow kingpin, which isn't a big deal to me.  Just wondering if the kingpin length between Stage 10 and Stage 11's were any different?

Baseplate and kingpin on the 10's is the same as the 11's.  only the hangar is different.  you will be all good
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 16, 2016, 11:05:36 AM
Thanks, Steve. Looking forward to getting more life out of them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 17, 2016, 11:27:56 AM
What do you guys think of truck heights and hanger angles? I noticed trying out royals(the new remastered ones after the IV)and in an active interview with mike Carroll on Royal trucks they designed it to have a quicker pop and it's true, they give such a fast pop response but I noticed they're the same height as thunder 145/147 hi trucks, I like them a lot but I always fall back to my thunder 147  ;D

Tried Indy and kruxtrucks but the 55mm tallness throws me off when I'm too lazy to really pop and the Indy turn is a bit too smooth for my skating, the kruxtrucks are good in the middle but kind of have play at times on the turn

What up bmcsteve its me Tanguhlang from IG
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
I like Thunder height and hanger angle; lowish but not too low and the angle helps push out the wheelbase a bit. I find that Thunders don't really let me turn, but they allow me to move in the direction I want to go ;)

Krux/Standard Indys feel tippy to me. Like I'm propped up.

Aces feel lower than they are (54mm).

If Indy made an 8.25" forged or Krux made an 8.25" downlow I'd bite for sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 18, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
I think w lower trucks....when you lean...they react quickly...high trucks....react slower but the turning radius is usually better.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 18, 2016, 03:10:22 PM
Yeah I'm on my good ole thunder 147 lights right now, the royals angle gave it a nice quick pop but I wasn't getting that timing for pulling my ollies up higher, it would pop before I could try and drag my foot up more :-\

So far though the thunder lights are doing me really well, I tried forged and never liked it before(had the forged krux,Indy, and thunder) but idk gave it a shot again and loving it. So light.

I feel like thunder trucks are truly the best street trucks, indy's are good too but idk that height and turn are more suited for cruising and carving rather than technical stuff. It's all preference in the end though. ;)
(I've tried most trucks and I could always rely on my thunder 147 hi for my preferred skating flat ground, ledges, gaps, sometimes stairs. I've tried venture lows, krux talls and downlows, independent standards and the lows, thunder hi and lows, Royals, silver, all 8" and thunder always does it for me. Tried the old and new 149ers thunders too and they were very stable and full of control, the weight always threw me off though)

Might be going down to some 145 lo though, tried it out the other week to see what I use to ride on and there was a noticeable loss in stability but flip tricks were so easy to form and land, riding and ollieing things was a tad off cause of the smaller turn radius when cruising and leveling out
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2016, 04:18:49 PM
Yeah I'm on my good ole thunder 147 lights right now, the royals angle gave it a nice quick pop but I wasn't getting that timing for pulling my ollies up higher, it would pop before I could try and drag my foot up more :-\

So far though the thunder lights are doing me really well, I tried forged and never liked it before(had the forged krux,Indy, and thunder) but idk gave it a shot again and loving it. So light.

I feel like thunder trucks are truly the best street trucks, indy's are good too but idk that height and turn are more suited for cruising and carving rather than technical stuff. It's all preference in the end though. ;)
(I've tried most trucks and I could always rely on my thunder 147 hi for my preferred skating flat ground, ledges, gaps, sometimes stairs. I've tried venture lows, krux talls and downlows, independent standards and the lows, thunder hi and lows, Royals, silver, all 8" and thunder always does it for me. Tried the old and new 149ers thunders too and they were very stable and full of control, the weight always threw me off though)

Might be going down to some 145 lo though, tried it out the other week to see what I use to ride on and there was a noticeable loss in stability but flip tricks were so easy to form and land, riding and ollieing things was a tad off cause of the smaller turn radius when cruising and leveling out

Yup.

Love my Thunders or anything other than tranny, totally skateable mind you. They're great for street and I skate really well on them.

ACEs for days in bowls (don't have ramps to skate)

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 18, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Agreed. I will say that Thunders are also good in back and fore half pipe vertical scenarios.

But for roundwall- nothing beats Ace.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: alraunen on May 19, 2016, 12:48:27 AM
Anyone tried the thunder maxium bushings?

I was riding the the hard bones but they are like 20$ in Europe, thunders are 3 times cheaper and they look pretty well.

http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum (http://www.tactics.com/thunder/skate-bushing-tube-2-truck-set/neon-yellow-maximum)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 19, 2016, 01:08:30 AM
on the link you gave theres a review for them and the guy said theyre stiffer than the stock so im guessing they still have the quick tweaky turn but just harder, anyone trying thunder bushings should definitely get the 90a white soft ones, malto and koston dont ride the white thunder bushings over the yellow translucent ones for no reason

i use to ride my old thunder 147(before the remaster) with the stock yellow bushings and thought they were the best but recently tried them again and noticed they were somewhat stiffer and squeakier compared to the awesome white 90a

so just like ripped laces said in the 149 II review the translucent thunder bushings need to be at a tightened to a sweet spot to get that turn you want but the white ones are just all around better loose or tight it has better stability and response. makes me think if urethane should ever even be translucent, like did those ricta clear wheels or the new bones clear wheels ever work out? i feel like they would not slide or last like classic white urethane wheels. but enough about wheels this is a trucks thread aha
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 19, 2016, 09:09:06 AM
I think I read in an interview w. George Powell....that I don't know if you guys remember but Powell did the clear formula years ago like in the 90's?  And no one bought them.....so they added white colouring and that's the current STF/SPF......so these could be more or less the same....

Might have made some improvements though too....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 19, 2016, 05:32:14 PM
Bones are still relevant and their STF's are great, but it seems like the old school dudes stick with them. Most are riding F4's or some other company. I prefer F4 classics as they can handle anything besides a slippery indoor park but fuck those anyways.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 20, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
Ahaha right! Fuck indoor parks, they're only good for a desperate session on a rainy day and if you don't have classic regular 99a or softer wheels the sessions gonna take some getting use to.

I think the playing ground is gonna level out these next few weeks where there's a majority riding stf's and formula fours rather than just formula fours taking over the game, I feel everyone's gonna start feeling the hype on bones again and some will go back to that feel if they liked it. Idk though bones stf's were good before formula fours but tried them again and noticed how they stick At times and felt so plastic and hard.

Formula fours are just so reliable, those 99a just have it all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 20, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
Yup yup...anyway back to trucks. Anyone prefer the old Ace design over the new one? Just curious...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 20, 2016, 09:31:50 AM
Yup yup...anyway back to trucks. Anyone prefer the old Ace design over the new one? Just curious...

Not sure if there would be anything to prefer on the old Ace design.  Same geometry, height, materials, etc.  The only advantage the old design could have would be they're a bit lighter but that's only because they lacked aluminum in the structural areas to prevent them from bending
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 20, 2016, 08:14:18 PM
stepped on some aces that were my friends, and damn those were wiggly. they were so loose it was scary and the nut was flush on the kingpin. i already knew they were too loose for my skating. but idk kinda interested in the ACE 03 lows
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 22, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: guns_4_hands on May 23, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
Skating Avenue trucks now, but I used to skate Indy axles on Venture baseplates. Works better than you think.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 23, 2016, 04:56:27 PM
Skating Avenue trucks now, but I used to skate Indy axles on Venture baseplates. Works better than you think.
Avenue as in the suspension trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 23, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.

That would be me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
I said fuck it and put Bones Mediums in my Ace's using no bottom washer while using the new top washer they include. I know it's putting more strain on my pivot but I don't even care anymore haha. Got them wobbly but not to the point where the pivot point slides out from the cup, more of a "safer" wobble if that makes any sense.

I originally tried them using the bottom washer but it looks retarded with Bones and also wasn't any better of a turn than the stock bushings, so that's why I decided to do without. The stock pivot cups are so god damn squeaky I think I'm finally caving in and ordering some Khiro's soon.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2016, 11:17:20 PM
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Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
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That would be me.

Me three.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 25, 2016, 12:32:34 AM
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Anybody else weird and enjoy Aces and Thunders even though they are sooo much different. I'm always torn between which one's I want to have on my set-up.
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That would be me.
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Me three.....
Sweeeet. I'm glad I'm not alone in my indecisiveness.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Thomas on May 25, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
I've been riding Indy's with bones bushing (medium) and I really like the feeling.
Then I saw all these good reviews about Ace, so I ordered a pair of 44's.

I've read somewhere that the stock bushing are pretty loose (compared to Indys ?).
Do you think I can keep the stock bushings, or should I put some bones ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 25, 2016, 04:39:57 AM
I've been riding Indy's with bones bushing (medium) and I really like the feeling.
Then I saw all these good reviews about Ace, so I ordered a pair of 44's.

I've read somewhere that the stock bushing are pretty loose (compared to Indys ?).
Do you think I can keep the stock bushings, or should I put some bones ?

The stock bushings are fine if you like riding a normal level of loose trucks. But for me, I wanted even more of a sharp turn so I put in Bones mediums with no bottom washer and I get a nice wobble from them. Other's have said Krux bushings are good so those would be another good option.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
anyone know the duro on the stock ace bushings?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 25, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
anyone know the duro on the stock ace bushings?

They've gotta be around a 96 bottom, 94 top.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 25, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on May 25, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.

I've skated Indys for about ten years, too. I've never tried Thunders, so I'm thinking of giving them a go, too. I'd also like to know if anyone made the switch and stayed with Thunders. I wouldn't mind something a little lower.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
one thing i noticed between the two, is the timing on your pop is different between thunder and indy. not better or worse but each truck will suit different people differently. its not just a height thing but also relates to the position of the  kingpin and hangars, as well as the angles and geometry. as for the turn its pretty easy to switch between the two but as a general rule, i'd say if you like yr indys loose go with ace, if you ride them med or tighter go with thunder. thunders have a real responsive, snappy quick turn but its not very deep. thunders are also lighter if you care about that...

in saying all that, contrary to what some people like to think, thunders can be ridden loose and work well on round wall also once you dial them in.

personally, if i was skating mostly technical street shit or back and fore half pipe, i'd def go with thunders.
 round wall transition or slappy style loose carving street shit = ace. i'm old and love small tight fucked up trannies, carve grinds and slappies, so mostly skate ace these days.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 26, 2016, 06:54:54 AM
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for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
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I've skated Indys for about ten years, too. I've never tried Thunders, so I'm thinking of giving them a go, too. I'd also like to know if anyone made the switch and stayed with Thunders. I wouldn't mind something a little lower.

I've switched back and forth pretty regularly over the years... I'll tell you a secret... there's really not much of a difference.  Yes, it's fun to nerd out and talk about how Indy is a slower/fuller turn and Thunder is a more responsive turn.  But really... when you're just skating, the difference is very minimal.  I'm actually switching from Indy back to Thunder and intend to stay for the life of the trucks, at least.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 07:37:15 AM
Indys feel higher....turn slower but the turning radius is tighter.....more carvey......

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 26, 2016, 08:53:55 AM
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for those guys who went from indys to thunders, im thinking about changing it up and im wondering what to expect. thinking just getting a set of standard thunder 149s or ace ( don't think i ride em loose enough to justify ace though)
been on indys for about a decade, last brands before that were fury and phantom hahaha.
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I've skated Indys for about ten years, too. I've never tried Thunders, so I'm thinking of giving them a go, too. I'd also like to know if anyone made the switch and stayed with Thunders. I wouldn't mind something a little lower.
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I've switched back and forth pretty regularly over the years... I'll tell you a secret... there's really not much of a difference.  Yes, it's fun to nerd out and talk about how Indy is a slower/fuller turn and Thunder is a more responsive turn.  But really... when you're just skating, the difference is very minimal.  I'm actually switching from Indy back to Thunder and intend to stay for the life of the trucks, at least.   

I agree with Art here.  There really isnt that much of a difference between most trucks.  I think a lot of it comes down to height and bushings.  If you take two different trucks that are the exact same height with the same bushings I bet most people would be hard pressed to tell which is which
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on May 27, 2016, 03:43:37 AM
Thanks guys.

I'm not going to rush out and buy some Thunders now. Instead I'll skate these Indys until they're done, so I'll have them for another year or two. I've got way too many sets of aftermarket Indy bushings to switch brands (I haven't had to use any of the spares because the bushings are that good, I was expecting them to be a little more durable than Bones.) and I've got another set of spare Indys. I might try swap the new set for some Thunders or Aces later down the line.

Do Thunders need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones (other than Bones)?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 05:37:28 AM

Do Thunders need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones (other than Bones)?

Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: heritage on May 27, 2016, 07:56:58 AM
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Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly

Agreed Steve. It's all personal preference. One part vanity, one part OCD. No standard rules to gear. I've been skating Khiro conical bushings with the metal inserts for the last 2 years in my Thunders. I swear by them. I had a buddy give me a set a few years back and haven't switched back since. Same principle as Bones bushings just a slightly different build. I've also experimented with the 'low profile' Khiro conicals without the inserts. I just use the smaller top washer on both the top AND the bottom.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2016, 09:25:01 AM
Im not really nuts about bushings........yet.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 27, 2016, 10:22:00 AM
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Bushings are all preference.  I drove myself insane testing different bushings in Thunders.  My recommendation would be to properly break in the stock white bushings (the clear yellow ones are crap) and if they are too soft after a week of skating, try some of the aftermarket thunder bushings.  Bones will work but they don't really fit correctly



The yellow ones aren't that bad, maybe cause I just want to stay classic and nostalgic since my first pair of thunder 147 were the raw with yellow bushings and they did me so much justice. It's like the jenkem guys said though, you just gotta dial them in to that sweet spot. Took me a few tries but I finally got the it to the sweet spot on the og yellow thunder bushings.
But no doubt the white ones are way better. They rebound so well and respond so smooth, you can make them loose or tight and they still have so much stability and response. I guess that's why Malto always did it and got koston on the program
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 11:28:21 AM
How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49 from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70 shipped.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 27, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.

Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
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How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.
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Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer

Thanks man. Actually the Bones hards feel like they've gone soft on me. Had them in for a while and I've cranked down the nut a half turn like 4 times or something from what it was in the beginning. I guess I'm heaving than most skaters though at 85 kg (188 pounds). Didn't like the stock Indy bushings at all. Had to crank them down a lot and then it was just still, but still got wheelbite, also no proper rebound anymore.

Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on May 27, 2016, 12:46:59 PM
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How are the Krux K4 8.25" compared to Indy 149 Stage 11s with Bones hard bushings?

I was thinking of getting another pair of trucks possibly to use for a "cruiser", as my OJs Keyframes are like 5 times faster than harder wheels over here with crummy terrain. I was thinking of trying out the Ace 44s, but they don't seem to be very widely available here and I could get the Krux for 49� from a local shop, compared to the Aces for around 70� shipped.
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Never had Indy 149's but the 8.25 krux are so good, stable yet not so hefty. I've had 139 with bones hards and they still turn some just really stable turn cause you know, hards

Sorry if my input isn't much help but truthfully I say go with the krux 8.25. They're much lighter and have that stable wide truck feel and he stock bushings are so nice.

I hopped on my friends board win Indy 149 and they're stable Forsure but so heavy, you can feel it in the turn too how heavy they are when they veer
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Thanks man. Actually the Bones hards feel like they've gone soft on me. Had them in for a while and I've cranked down the nut a half turn like 4 times or something from what it was in the beginning. I guess I'm heaving than most skaters though at 85 kg (188 pounds). Didn't like the stock Indy bushings at all. Had to crank them down a lot and then it was just still, but still got wheelbite, also no proper rebound anymore.

Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.

So, you will likely find the krux bushings too soft if you skate Bones hards.  Good news, Bones bushings fit perfectly in Krux but the key thing to remember is use both bottom and top washers.  Bones bushings are the exact same height as Krux bushings which are taller than Indy's. 

If you can find them wherever you are, the other option is Bitch bushings by Khiro.  They also fit perfectly, you have a lot of options for hardness and the quality is top notch - http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=search_list&s (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=search_list&s)[search]=bitch+bushings&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=n&s[full_desc]=n&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on May 27, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
Kinda wondering how the Krux will be with the stock bushings, cuz I'm heavier than the average lad. Dunno what replacement bushings work well with Krux.
Krux Bushings are my favorite bushings in the world! Pretty soft but not super soft, I believe they're like a 92a or something of that nature.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 27, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
This all sounds pretty good. Maybe I'll go grab a pair tomorrow and see what's what. Still kinda thinking of the Aces for some reason, but the shop only seems to have 33s in stock. Gotta ask though. If they'd happen to have 44s in stock, I'd probably go with those as I've read so much praise for them in here.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 28, 2016, 06:18:27 AM
Went and bought the Krux trucks.

The stock bushings are super soft. Had to crank them down like mad to not get wheelbite and even then they weren't nearly as stable as my Indys with Bones hards.

Put some Bones mediums there that I had around and they're much better with those. Got a bit more stability near the center, but it still turns when I want. Dunno if other bushings than Bones provide that, but I really do like that feeling.

Overall, they don't feel nearly as good as my Indys with Bones hards, but that's to be expected. New trucks, new bushings and also a setup that is not familiar to me. Will be interesting to see how I'll end up feeling about them in the long run.  :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on May 30, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
^ I hover around 180-190lbs and I have krux with stock bushings and they are fine. You gotta have a few sessions with them a little loose to break them in. Then you can crank down a little. Once mine broke in I tightened them a little and they've been fine. Still prefer my indy titaniums with orange after market bushings better than the krux tho.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on May 30, 2016, 11:53:27 AM
Well, I'm much more satisfied with them now with the Bones mediums. No need to put the stock bushings back. I prefer the feeling I get with Bones bushings, that it takes more force to make it turn initially, but then it does turn. Makes things much more stable for me at least.

I was actually thinking of trying Indy aftermarket bushings for my Indy trucks as ppl seem to like them a lot here. But the Bones are IMO lightyears better than the stock ones at least. Kinda worried the Indy aftermarkets wouldn't be as good.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 30, 2016, 03:30:04 PM
Anyone running Indy 129s on an 8.125-8.25? I'm getting a new deck soon and wanna size up a bit so I can catch tricks easier, but I don't have money for new trucks and I'm worried that my 129s are gonna be too narrow if I get anything bigger than an 8
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on May 30, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
ive tried those kind of smaller trucks on the sizes you described and an 8.125 is your best choice cause the 8.25 made the trucks actually feel off balance with how wide the board is, the 8.125 felt okay on balance but i loved it cause the smaller trucks helped it flip so perfect and made it so easy to do tricks i take a few tries on. frontside flips, hardflips, heel flips, they all felt too easy weirdly but i loved it. then my curiosity got to me and changed up my setup as usual.

traded my friend my krux 8.25 for his indy 149 reynolds and theyre alright so far

hey is it me or do you guys notice indy 149 are a bit shorter than 139 in height, i know everyones gonna tell me no cause all indy standards are 55mm tall and i know that but truthfully riding these 149 they dont make me feel all high off the ground and unstable like 139s, they almost feel like a more solid, stable, carvy thunder 149er II, maybe the 55mm tallness works better on the 149 length and is just unstable on the 139 length. idk thats just my opinion but another question

do you guys think the truck companies have one size of their truck they focus on perfecting more than others, like i feel thunder focused more on perfecting their 147 more then decided to revamp the 149 since those are the most selling sizes, and then with indy i feel the 149 are more well molded and crafted than 139 as if when they were doing stage 11 they did it focused around the 149 then just applied the stage 11 149 specs on the other sizes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 31, 2016, 08:17:45 AM
ive tried those kind of smaller trucks on the sizes you described and an 8.125 is your best choice cause the 8.25 made the trucks actually feel off balance with how wide the board is, the 8.125 felt okay on balance but i loved it cause the smaller trucks helped it flip so perfect and made it so easy to do tricks i take a few tries on. frontside flips, hardflips, heel flips, they all felt too easy weirdly but i loved it. then my curiosity got to me and changed up my setup as usual.
Good to hear, what if I got something like an 8.18, would that still be fine?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on May 31, 2016, 09:26:03 AM
If you think you blew it you can always run. Few extra washers....ride a wider profile wheel.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on May 31, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
If you think you blew it you can always run. Few extra washers....ride a wider profile wheel.....
dunno how much good some washers will do me, as for wider wheels, I'm working on it
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on May 31, 2016, 12:28:56 PM
don't forget the, oh shit how do you say "entretoise" in english....the stuff you put between the bearings in the wheels...so you can tight them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on May 31, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
ive actually not had a problem with the see-through stock Thunder bushings.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 31, 2016, 05:04:06 PM

do you guys think the truck companies have one size of their truck they focus on perfecting more than others, like i feel thunder focused more on perfecting their 147 more then decided to revamp the 149 since those are the most selling sizes, and then with indy i feel the 149 are more well molded and crafted than 139 as if when they were doing stage 11 they did it focused around the 149 then just applied the stage 11 149 specs on the other sizes
Same
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on May 31, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on May 31, 2016, 06:59:09 PM
ive actually not had a problem with the see-through stock Thunder bushings.

I just switched back to some 149 II's from my frankensteined Indy 149's that I put old Stage 10 baseplates on and I tend to agree.  I am intrigued by the white ones in the same durometer though.  I figure it's only $5.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: perverted super otaku! on June 01, 2016, 08:54:50 AM
Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
Pop your bearing shields maybe?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 01, 2016, 09:46:54 AM
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Anyone ever have a problem with their set-up sounding really dead? I don't know if it's because I'm running Ace's super loose with Bones and a wobble (I've never done that prior) or if it's the wood. I tried two different brand new decks (AH and Krooked) and when I plop my board down, or pop in general it sounds like a Wal-Mart board or something. The wheels are my usual Spitfire 101s F4's so I know it's not the wheels. Shit bugs me more than squeaky cups which now I don't even care about. I noticed on one of the Ace's theres a hole in the hanger that I can stick a needle through so maybe the trucks were shoddy from the factory, hence the dead sound? I don't know...I've never had a set-up that didn't give a beautiful feedback unless I had some super soft wheels or something...
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Pop your bearing shields maybe?

Nah it's definitely the trucks.  All the Aces I've had has that sound.  I think it's the kingpin not totally flush in the baseplate.  Saying that none of my kingpins have broken or come off.  But yeah it's irritating as hell.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 10:54:32 AM
Well sheeiiit....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 01, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
Do you have the axle nut super tight or what? MY buddy has a set up with some super longboard bearings that sounds dead as fuck because he can tighten it down.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
Do you have the axle nut super tight or what? MY buddy has a set up with some super longboard bearings that sounds dead as fuck because he can tighten it down.

I have 1 axle washer on the inside and outside of each wheel, with the nut as tight as it can be while still allowing just a tiny amount of play when I move the wheel from side to side. I've always thought that was the proper way to do it?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 01, 2016, 11:23:01 AM
Give it a half turn loose and see if it sounds better. I've probably always given too much play, but I like it that way. Being able to shake the board and hear it, you know.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 01, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
I'll try it, thanks dude.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 01, 2016, 01:29:12 PM
what tightness of trucks do you guys skate? both tight? both loose? one tighter one looser? medium?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ducky darnsworth on June 01, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
i skate them pretty tight, but i keep going through bushings though
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: m477 on June 01, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
The dreaded dead sounding pop. Nothing worse. Here are my experiences:

-using wd-40 to clean your bearings or too much lube. This will kill any crisp popping sound. Don't know why but it does. Classic rookie mistake

-insanly loose trucks. The lack of weight distribution/center of gravity produces inconsistent pop. Unless you have daewon precision snap, it'll be weak/dead feeling.

-setup is too light. Similar to loose trucks, unless you produce Bruce lee force, it'll sound like a cardboard box.

-constantly leaving your board in the hot car/trunk

-water (duh)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 01, 2016, 11:54:21 PM
I ride everything tight and light...and yes...it feels like a pre made complete.....I think it's great....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 02, 2016, 09:57:46 AM
Haha classic rookie mistake, true. There's gotta be a meme for that with the college kid with the captions "has dirty bearings, Uses wd-40"

I ride it medium tight, having it tight helps with flip tricks a bunch. Make my kick flips fast and catch high. But I still need a little turn for those super mobbed lands that need an escape lean and turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM
So the Bones top and bottom bushings are both a tiny bit shorter than Ace stocks. When I added the bottom washer and tried them out they didn't turn any better than the Ace stocks, and it also made the Bones bottom sit higher than an Ace stock bottom with the washer.

I've been digging the turn with no bottom washer and Bones mediums, but it's also very unstable, and that dead sound in my board is not jivin' with me at all. I'm thinking of buying Bones hards and omitting the bottom washer but using the top, just like I did with the mediums. Do you guys think the hards will make the Ace's turn like shit? I'm about 210lbs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 02, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
I think if you're 210.....no......it'll turn good.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on June 03, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
Ace 44 kingpins started to slip too much so I sent in the base plates last Monday, and got some new ones in today. Pretty fast return, hope they work out.
Got a new set of 159's for $20 I've been skating the past two weeks while I waited. Pretty nice having trucks that wide, but setting them up to wobble on a warped 8.375 has been a pretty shitty experience. When ever I look at the board it seems that they stick out more to one side because of the warp, and they wheel bite too easily. Ive got them set up with some old Indy shaved down aftermarket medium bushings, but I might get some softer bushings and crank them down a bit at some point.
159's are going to sit in the spare parts bin for now until I find a wide enough board for them. Stoked to hop back on some 44's again. Might swap the front and back hangars just to even out the grooves a little.   
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 03, 2016, 08:45:36 PM
The complications of getting the right bushings in my Ace's so they turn good, along with the shitty squeaky pivot cups and dead sound, I went out and bought some Indy standard 149's. I kept thinking I was going to hate going back to them and hardly be able to turn, but I was wrong.

After I set it all up I put in Bones mediums, with the stock top washer as my bottom washer, and then used the Bones top washer they include. Trucks didn't turn AT ALL and I was like fuck...I hope I didn't just waste my money. So I took out the bottom washer while still using the Bones top and it was fine. Yeah, the turn is slightly more sluggish and not as sharp as Ace, but it wasn't enough to make me want to put my Ace's back on.

I always thought Ace's grinded better and smoother, but today I realized Indy's grind way smoother and longer. I wasn't slipping back and forth on the truck, I was locking right into grinds perfectly near the wheel. Ace's design is supposed to make that happen with their whole "rocker" but I realized it didn't really make it THAT much easier to notice a difference.

Also, aesthetically, I looked at a bunch of different sets of Ace's at the shop and the quality control seems to not be very good. Lots of gouges in the metal on the hanger, rough warped looking edges outside the yoke, and the pivot cups were sloppy as hell. Several sets looked like this, and it was probably the culprit for mine sounding dead, even running them stock. Indy's had a bunch of white-ish casting marks all over them but everything was solid and smooth. I know this shit probably doesn't matter to anyone but I pay attention to detail, even though I'm going to grind it down.

So yeah...I'm back on basic ass Indy's and I think I'm staying. Only thing I regret is I bought 99 duro Formula Fours instead of 101's and they're too grippy for my liking.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 03, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
Glad you got your shit worked out Main. Now stick with what you've got and ride the shit out of it. All trucks get better with age. Turn your trucks on and your mind off. Go.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 03, 2016, 09:09:08 PM
Thanks dude, I appreciate ya! I've taken apart and put back together so many different set-ups lately. I'm ready to skate this one till it's destroyed...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 10, 2016, 08:04:42 AM
Anyone ever try the Tracker Axis?

(http://i.imgur.com/32u01Bel.jpg)


Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 10, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
Anyone ever try the Tracker Axis?

(http://i.imgur.com/32u01Bel.jpg)


LOL

This local dude Geoff who owns a small company called Kitsch rode those for ages! He swore by them. One of the distributors up here had tons of them for ages. Then one day, they were all gone and Geoff had to switch trucks LOL
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 10, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
Been riding only independents since 1994.

For past 8 years or so, been riding 139s with stock everything, no tightening, as they are from the factory. Same trucks on my regular whip and cruiser. I've broken 2 hangers in the past year. Setting up another cruiser and trying thunder 147 hi.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: VCR on June 10, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
Anybody ever get axle slip in the first 30 mins of skating new trucks?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 10, 2016, 11:24:43 AM
as someone who has switched trucks more often than 99% of people on the planet, once I decided to just stick with Indy Titanium (currently alternating between 159's and 169's) all of my problems were solved.

No trucks are perfect for everything but overall Indy wins (for me) in pros vs cons above everything else.  The more I skate them, the more I appreciate them
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 10, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Yah, the truck would be more or less idiot proof if it wasn't for people like us......
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 10, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
LOL

This local dude Geoff who owns a small company called Kitsch rode those for ages! He swore by them. One of the distributors up here had tons of them for ages. Then one day, they were all gone and Geoff had to switch trucks LOL

Well from my super nerd-err-iffic research, looks like Tracker is the only truck company making every component of a truck in the USA. Might be worth getting some but I'm still hesitant. They're fucking Trackers...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Crow T. Robot on June 11, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
For those that ride the ACE/Krux bushings combo, do you guys keep the bottom washer in? Set mine up to rattle a little bit, but they've recently gotten pretty packed out and I have the nut turned 5-6 threads down on the kingpin.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: planman on June 13, 2016, 08:05:37 AM
Just scraped most of the paint off my Krux with some scissors, looks kinda janky but I dig it. I'll post pics a bit later if anyone's interested. Anybody ever tried running Krux hangers on Indy baseplates? Thinking of running mine that way so I don't gotta look at these black plates.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: le88 on June 13, 2016, 04:59:47 PM
was strictly on indys for a few years but the last sets I've had, whenever i switched the bushings out, the kingpins were all wobbly. and that was with multiple sets. contacted nhs and they wanted me to pay for shipping so i said fuck that and tried the thunder 149 ii and those so far have been awesome, don't even mess with the bushings either
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: bumpnrun on June 14, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
Have some Thunders coming for a cruiser but was looking at them on my friends board and the baseplate holes are kinda crazy. They are so close to the edge on the nose and tail side. My buddies hardware is shredded to shit, like it's 1991.

It's like after most truck companies removed the 6 hole pattern however many years ago, rather than keep the space where the 5th and 6th holes were, they centered the mounting holes on the baseplate, which puts the bolts closer to the nose and tail slide area. It has more clearance than the old truck hole pattern but less than indy's, which maintains the offset when they removed the 5th and 6th hole. Because of where the holes are drilled on thunder baseplates, it also artificially narrows the relative wheelbase 

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0277/8575/products/4534c6dd90646d220c1e4975db6a700b_large.jpeg) (http://www.octanesport.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/n/indybconvparts.jpg)


(http://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/thunder-trucks-night-lights-high-147-skateboard-trucks-5-25-p18935-45306_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on June 14, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
For those that ride the ACE/Krux bushings combo, do you guys keep the bottom washer in? Set mine up to rattle a little bit, but they've recently gotten pretty packed out and I have the nut turned 5-6 threads down on the kingpin.
I keep the bottom washer in, no rattles.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 14, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
wish i had time to read this entire thread.

i'm 36, 6'4, 165. Skate mostly ledges, bumps, mannys, flat and jersey barriers, DIY tranny at this point in NYC/Philly

Have standard Indy's and skate an 8", scaled back after landing primo innumerable times on tres on 8.25. basically trying to hang on to shit, not progress as i'm on some 45 hours a week stressful job shit and a shadow of my abilities in my 20's.

Anytime I pick up a homies board that pretty much has the same dimensions equipped with ventures or thunders etc it straight feels SIGNIFICANTLY lighter.

light boards were a big deal growing up skating freedom/love etc.

Anyone have an recs on lighter trucks that are sturdy. when my head was in the clouds and i was skating 10-15 hours a week i could care fuck all about setup but trying to tweak my setup to lesson the margin of complexity at this stage.

does this shit make any difference or am I searching for excuses why i'm declining ha.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 14, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 14, 2016, 01:27:14 PM

^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.

Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 14, 2016, 02:14:48 PM

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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.

It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 15, 2016, 02:16:21 AM
My Indys (standard 149s) have been feeling off for a couple of weeks. I replaced the pivot cups (1 yr old) and the bottom bushings (1 1/2 yr old). They felt good straight away and didn't need any breaking in. The aftermarket bushings are definitely worth it, so much better than Bones.

Steve, the titaniums are the same height as the forged hollows right? Did you try the hollows before going titanium? I'll try at least one of them before going to Thunders. I still get bad wheelbite on stage 11s, so trying something else seems worthwhile.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 15, 2016, 09:16:36 AM
^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 15, 2016, 09:23:38 AM
^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.

Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: dirty ol man on June 15, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
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It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)

So they're double the price for a FIFTEEN % weight reduction. not sure anyone could tell the difference on an overall setup. You really think it makes a difference?

i should stop being a cackfag and start doing squats instead of toiling over a few ounce difference in weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 15, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
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^ Try the the hollow light indys. They're a little lower and a little lighter.

I have some venture 5 lows on a 7.75 that I just leave in the trunk of my car in case I get bored, and I'm surprised how well they turn... It's kind of fucking with me.
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Yeah I'll just compare the weights. I'm curious if anyone made a shift to lighter trucks and noticed things getting springy or snapping easier or if say .5 pound difference is all in your mind. basically feel like my muscle memory is based on an outdated setup and I'm fine with reverting back to it.
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It's all in your mind but skating is mostly mental so I shell out for the Indy Titaniums :)
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So they're double the price for a FIFTEEN % weight reduction. not sure anyone could tell the difference on an overall setup. You really think it makes a difference?

i should stop being a cackfag and start doing squats instead of toiling over a few ounce difference in weight.

The difference is about 120g which is 4.2oz of weight savings in your setup.  it's not really going to make a difference in your skating but you can feel it just by picking up your board

The woodshop your board comes from makes a huge difference as well.  an 8.38x32 from NHS (china wood) is 120g lighter than an 8.38x32 South Central deck
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 15, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
I still skate theeve Tih's....on an 8" board....it's noticeably lighter.....you do get used to it but when I skate my other set ups they feel like tanks....for me, I Ollie higher on something heavier and more solid....I kickflip better on something a bit heavier too.....but any other flip trick yah, lighter is easier.....transition....heavier and wider.....everything else I like my lighter board....

If I have a bad day on a heavier board I'm more prone to blame the weight.....on a light board....I'm more prone to blame the deck as too old or too new.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: N.L. on June 15, 2016, 02:42:30 PM
i find the truck geo, and location of the axle to the tail, has more of an influence on my pop than truck weight.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on June 15, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
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My bearing is stuck in the truck. I've lubed it, then tried to get it out with a bunch of utensils but I can't get it out... wtf ! I'm scared that using a hammer will brake it, so now I don't know what to do. Has this ever happened to anyone ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 15, 2016, 06:49:55 PM
(https://s31.postimg.org/qzvs7yqcb/IMG_3956.jpg)

My bearing is stuck in the truck. I've lubed it, then tried to get it out with a bunch of utensils but I can't get it out... wtf ! I'm scared that using a hammer will brake it, so now I don't know what to do. Has this ever happened to anyone ?

Bash it on a curb.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 16, 2016, 12:12:24 AM
that happened to me a while back on some pre-DLXSF ventures.. had to hammer the bearing which resulted in the bearing blowing up. not sure if its the accel that has slightly slipped
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 16, 2016, 12:27:51 AM
You tried taking the truck off and put it in a bench vice, then wiggle that shit free
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 16, 2016, 02:56:29 AM
i find the truck geo, and location of the axle to the tail, has more of an influence on my pop than truck weight.

Right! I was testing my venture lows with my Indy lows and they both sit at 48mm tall and the ventures felt so odd like it increased the wheel base but the Indy lows felt so right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Julz on June 16, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Fuck, I haven't been back home since last night, hopefully there's nothing wrong with the truck, I've just set it up last month.  >:(
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 17, 2016, 06:27:27 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form

Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 17, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
I skate risers just cause I get wheelbite so often....and I'm a medium truck guy who doesn't weigh anything.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 17, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
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Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.

yes
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 17, 2016, 02:29:38 PM
This thread is rad. I appreciate the intricacy y'all have when it comes to your truck setups/truck rituals, but trucks aren't something I freak out too much about anymore; I feel like I've finally found the golden ticket with trucks. I still drive myself insane when it comes to rituals over other certain other gear, but for trucks, as long as it's some Indy stage 11 149 standards with the Indy 94A aftermarket barrel bottom bushings put in and tightened to a medium tightish feel with the front truck slightly looser than the back, then I'm good to go. Been rocking that setting for more than half a year now and I'm loving it. No complaints at all and I haven't had any need to adjust or mess with my trucks at all since I stumbled upon this setting.
The stage 11s are awesome. My previous trucks before these were stage 10s and I had to constantly mess with them with a skate tool to keep them feeling right.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 18, 2016, 05:05:48 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
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Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.
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yes

Thanks for the quick reply.

Will standard stage 11 hangers work on forged baseplates? If so, will they still be 53.5mm tall?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 18, 2016, 07:18:48 AM
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^ I have the titaniums too and I love em. If you are getting wheel bite on standard 149s maybe go hollow or Titanium but use risers. So you'll get a little added height but maybe not so much as if you added risers to standards.
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Yup, add rises.  Also, if you are getting wheelbite on standard Indy's, you'll get twice as much on Thunder.  The geometry of Ace seem to reduce wheelbite the most.

I think risers went out for most skaters who don't focus on tranny or skate huge wheels but they're making a comeback.

Function over form
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Alright, so I'm going to stay with Indy and try some hollows. 55mm on the stage 11s is a little high for me. I liked the stage 10 height, so the forged stuff should work better. I haven't used risers since my first proper setup, I remember ditching them when I got my second board.

Will Indy titanium hangers work on the Indy forged hollow baseplates and vice versa? I can get some all black titaniums really cheap, so I may as well buy a set of hollows and have x2 sets of trucks - black hangers on raw baseplates and raw hangers on black baseplates, since it's probably not worth stripping the paint back.
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yes
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Will standard stage 11 hangers work on forged baseplates? If so, will they still be 53.5mm tall?

Yup, all of the stage 11 stuff can be swapped.  53.5 = Forged 55 = Standard
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 20, 2016, 05:07:57 AM
Thanks a bunch, Steve.

I'm going to take a break from Indies and try some Ace. Something lower and lighter will be nice. Couldn't see myself changing over to Thunders. Seems like too many people here have tried Thunder only to come back to Independent.

In the meantime I'm going to stockpile some forged hollow/titanium stuff since I have a heap of spare Indy aftermarket bushings and pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 20, 2016, 05:46:27 AM
^Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Aces as high as Indys and a few grams heavier?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 20, 2016, 06:33:32 AM
They're a few millimetres lower than stage 11s (even lower than what stage 10s were, but only by half a mm). That's enough for me to try them. Even though I've gotten used to them, I find stage 11s too high.

Yep, they're pretty much the same weight, but apparently they wear down quicker so they'll be lighter in no time  ;D
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 20, 2016, 06:47:14 AM
They're a few millimetres lower than stage 11s (even lower than what stage 10s were, but only by half a mm). That's enough for me to try them. Even though I've gotten used to them, I find stage 11s too high.

Yep, they're pretty much the same weight, but apparently they wear down quicker so they'll be lighter in no time  ;D

Ace are 53.5mm which is the same as Forged Stage 11's.  Ace are heavier than standard stage 11's and a lot heavier than hollow or Ti stage 11's
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on June 20, 2016, 06:53:02 AM
I'm not that concerned with weight, mainly height. However, I can't see myself skating lows again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Roisto on June 20, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
Can anyone give me some kind of a description on how Aces turn compared to stage 11 Indys and Krux?

I've got 149 stage 11s and 8.25" Krux'. Indys with Bones hards and Krux with Bones mediums. The Krux are kinda weird compared to the Indys. They turn really easily (medium vs. hard, so that's to be expected), but I won't get any wheelbite with them even if I try. The board will just stop turning steeper at one point and after that it'll go on two wheels instead of wheelbiting. I kinda prefer that with the Krux, but then again I do think the Indys feel better. I ride 54 mm wheels on both setups. 8.25" board. For some reason I'm very intrigued with the Aces.

Also, what Indy bushings would you guys recommend to someone that likes Bones hards and mediums, but would rather get something in between? Do the durometers go the same as in the Bones or not due to the different design? Hard blacks? Super hard yellows? or Medium hard blues? As ppl have been hyping aftermarket Indy bushings so much here over the Bones (which I've been quite happy with), I'm interested in trying them out.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 20, 2016, 03:51:55 PM
Can anyone give me some kind of a description on how Aces turn compared to stage 11 Indys and Krux?

I've got 149 stage 11s and 8.25" Krux'. Indys with Bones hards and Krux with Bones mediums. The Krux are kinda weird compared to the Indys. They turn really easily (medium vs. hard, so that's to be expected), but I won't get any wheelbite with them even if I try. The board will just stop turning steeper at one point and after that it'll go on two wheels instead of wheelbiting. I kinda prefer that with the Krux, but then again I do think the Indys feel better. I ride 54 mm wheels on both setups. 8.25" board. For some reason I'm very intrigued with the Aces.

Also, what Indy bushings would you guys recommend to someone that likes Bones hards and mediums, but would rather get something in between? Do the durometers go the same as in the Bones or not due to the different design? Hard blacks? Super hard yellows? or Medium hard blues? As ppl have been hyping aftermarket Indy bushings so much here over the Bones (which I've been quite happy with), I'm interested in trying them out.

I'm a big dude so Bones mediums tend to deform quickly. Never had that problem with hards and they still allow me to turn just fine. I've never tried Indy bushings but Steve will tell you all about how good they are. He knows his shit. The color of Indy bushings correlates to the hardness and it says right on the packaging.

I put bones in Aces without the bottom washer and it puts a lot of stress on the pivot because the bottom bushing is shorter than stock. Indy bushings won't work in Ace's because the bottom bushing is too tall. It's important to keep stock geometry. You can run Bones on your Aces without the bottom washer if you want but you'll make the shitty pivot cups blow out even quicker and they will be wobbly and unstable.

The turn of Ace's is snappier and more responsive than Indy but not by as much as its hyped up to be. Bones bushings in Ace's and Indy and the turn is very similar. I think of Ace now as just a Chinese version of an Indy stage III. Ace needs to improve their stock pivot and bushing quality to keep me as a customer. They fixed the bending issue, why not use better quality aluminum and urethane for the bushings? I've since gone back to Indy and I'm exploring other truck options. Ace isn't bad but still need to improve. Bottom line, they aren't going to turn significantly better than an Indy enough that you'll write home about.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 05:52:58 AM
Probably gonna sound like a bigger kook than everyone already thinks I am but people...
Mini-Logo trucks are actually pretty legit as some have said, I had to try a pair ever since reading that skateboarding is my life time review and it's like the guy said, they're really good trucks

I noticed some key features that made them up to par with the big boy truck brands,
-The hanger angle is like thunder hi(helps with the way it pops)
-The height is like venture lo(lower for more control)
-They actual have a turn very similar to thunder but with more carve rather than the quick sharp turn then center
-The nose/tail slide area of the baseplate extends so you don't get caught on a slide cause of wheels
-I'm very sure the bushings are basically a different mold of the bones mediums without cores

Idk guys, they turn very smooth and nice if you use a bones top without the washer
They feel like, you get the clean evened out straight pop of a thunder truck but when you land your not stuck centered or to have that quick wiggle of a turn but a controlled clean carvy turn after landing. Almost like indy's. Not as smooth carving away from landing with indy's but close.

I've had Indy standards and they're good with carvy turns and getting that emergency maneuvering for sloppy landings where your feet land awkardly and you can still lean any amount where you stand in the board and they'll turn but they always to me had such a soggy feeling pop if you rode them medium or loose. not snappy like thunders where you pop and just go straight up and forward and your there , indy's are like you drag your board up and forward to where you want it kind of feeling pops

Thunders always do me good and they have that quick jolty turn and clean feeling nice pop but they kinda lack that carve you love from indy's

That's where I feel mini logo trucks come in, they're a medium to those top 2 sellers
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 07:12:11 AM
I'm running ML trucks on one of my daughter's boards and I am always surprised how well they turn.

They're really low at 49mm so they might not be for everyone.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 09:09:10 AM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)

But....Tensors.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 09:13:05 AM
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Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)
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But....Tensors.

 :D  I'm willing to give them a shot if they're a ground up redesign.  The tensor Ten aluminum trucks are supposed to be really good.  They brought in a new guy to design those and he's working on the new ones as well. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: art hellman on June 24, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 24, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
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But really, in that big box of trucks I bought, the tensors were the first to get sold.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: BMCsteve on June 24, 2016, 02:11:25 PM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em

 :D damn.....you make a very good point actually
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 03:10:56 PM
If I rode tight trucks, I can't see how they'd be worse than any of the non-indy type trucks (Indy/Theeve/ACE/Krux) or the Venture/Thunders camps.

Honestly if Venture would make and 8.5 hollow v-light I'd be riding them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: tangar on June 24, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62176693.jpg)


But really, in that big box of trucks I bought, the tensors were the first to get sold.
Gnarz for dayz!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
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...but think of the resale value BMC... no way you'll unload those on anyone when you try em out and aren't into em
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 :D damn.....you make a very good point actually

ill take them off your hands if you ever wanna resell, i only had tensors once and they were pretty nice til the axle rubbed against some high crack in the streets and the nut and my wheel ran away, that really upset me cause i had the R2 magnesium and damn, the turning was eh but the flip ability and grind from magnesium was fa-nominal. but that axle problem got me so off them and i gave them away but i really wanna try another set of the lo tens, but hearing that theres a prototype in the works of a thunder copycat tensor i think ill wait  ;D

those magnesiums grind so smooth, and make the truck so light

what do you guys think of those new avenue suspension trucks? they look somewhat legit and i heard good reviews but idk the height throws me off cause i at max ride trucks highest 53mm anything higher i start struggling and those avenues look about the height of an indy standard

also forgot to mention the mini logo bolt placement on the baseplates is either similar to indys or royals, i cant say forsure which but i think it supposed to help shorten the wheel base so you get better flips and obviously easier to get your bolts on and tightened unlike thunder where the bolt placement is centered so you gotta angle your T tool for the top bolts
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 24, 2016, 05:41:37 PM
I say we pass them around to get the slap consensus.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 24, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
Joey Brezenski was testing out some Tensor prototypes yesterday.  From what I could tell it looked like a mix of current tensors and thunders with more kingpin clearance than both. 

The current Tensor Tens are supposed to be really good.  If they improve upon that design I'll give them a shot (aluminum not magnesium)

wait how did you hear or see of this? i would like to take a glance ;)
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: fang on June 24, 2016, 06:20:02 PM
I buy Indy's , tighten the front truck 2 times, back truck 3 times, then never touch them again.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 26, 2016, 05:07:31 AM
update on the mini logo trucks if anyone cares

the baseplate shape how its hollowed out inside around the kingpin and pivot area actually makes them significantly lighter, crazy as it is lighter than thunder 147 hi standards and thunder lights, maybe the same weight as hollow lights or ti lights. but bottom point the hollowed out baseplate and i think hangar shape actually make the truck pretty light but not stupid light. the perfect light weight that helps you feel your board still and flip it without losing a breath.

the extended shape of the baseplate so your wheels dont make contact for nose and tail slides actually helps, did a couple of noseslides and damn they slid easy and controlled. very beautful. just wow this is a pricepoint truck? they slid smooth

they are as i mentioned before very similar to thunders, they respond very quick and nice like thunders on the turn and all but dont have that kinda creeky mushed turn thunder has at times when the bushings are acting up. the mini logos work best with either a bones medium top no washer and the stock bottom or better yet for the best turn and repsonse just swap to bones mediums with your choice of top washer or not(i kept it on so i can keep it flush and not grind down the threads) and they are really really nice, like a quicker more turny thunder

sorry i keep mentioning thunders but its just cause besides indys being a top seller, thunders are used the most in the street skating scene. if you look at all the best street skaters most of them ride thunders. even the people who arent sponsored by thunder ride them. i noticed youness is riding thunder hangars on venture baseplates, koston off indy and rides thunders, chaz ortiz rides thunders, nyjah rides thunders, andrew brophy and ben fisher, cory kennedy, all these guys arent on the team but they ride them cause thunders are the best street skating trucks. all the best guys are on thunders too. chris cole, ishod, busenitz, shane oneil, tom asta, most of the REAL team, frank gerwer, chris pfanner, the chief, miles silvas, nakel, bryan herman, ed templeton, billy marks, marc johnson, sean malto, the list goes on.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: layzieyez on June 26, 2016, 06:08:13 AM
As an added bonus, if you wanna pound out the kingpin to do the krux downlow mod, then the mini logo trucks are the easiest kingpin to pound out. Also, you can fit in a small wrench to better tighten your trucks after performing the kingpin modification.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on June 26, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
Yeah, my friend has a set and I like how they turn.....Powell may have some stuff you may not like preference wise but quality is usually good...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: jamersonbass on June 27, 2016, 06:47:24 PM
Bought some white Thunder 90 bushings for my 149 II's out of curiosity, namely people on here saying they're better than the stock ones despite being the same durometer. I was probably just having an "on night" but I have to say I really like them.  Coming from riding Indy 149 Ti's I really don't miss anything with the Thunder 149 II's with stock or aftermarket bushings. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on June 27, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Bought some white Thunder 90 bushings for my 149 II's out of curiosity, namely people on here saying they're better than the stock ones despite being the same durometer. I was probably just having an "on night" but I have to say I really like them.  Coming from riding Indy 149 Ti's I really don't miss anything with the Thunder 149 II's with stock or aftermarket bushings. 

im telling yall, solid color anything urethane only makes sense. thats why most bushings arent made clear. indy bushings, krux bushings, bones, ace, everyone but thunder standards and venture standards. cause if you notice too on the more premium thunder/venture trucks/painted/hollow/light they put the better white bushings compared to the standard solid thunder or venture that have the clear yellow or blue bushing/red for venture

the clear bushings are still good, nothing wrong with them at all, but if you want more consistent bushings thatll last longer , solid color bushings are always the best choice. i noticed it comparing my clear yellow thunder bushings with my black and white set of thunder bushings, both the black set and white set have better rebound and response compared to the yellow
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 27, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 28, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2016, 01:57:20 PM
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I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
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Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.

The newer bushings are much better, though I still prefer krux or indy conical reds in mine.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 03:03:37 AM
i just got a set of indys that are as wide as my thunders 149 but are slightly higher and that pisses me off. so i went to have a look for truck sizing charts and came across this beaut
does anyone know if this is a photoshop job or is it for real and if its for real, who the fuck rides this shit?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on June 29, 2016, 03:13:59 AM
^it's real, what a waste of metal
longboard shit
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 29, 2016, 06:56:43 AM
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I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
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Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.
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The newer bushings are much better, though I still prefer krux or indy conical reds in mine.
So you're saying I might still give a shit. There's a chance for me!

I love duh krux though.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 29, 2016, 07:24:49 AM
i just got a set of indys that are as wide as my thunders 149 but are slightly higher and that pisses me off. so i went to have a look for truck sizing charts and came across this beaut
does anyone know if this is a photoshop job or is it for real and if its for real, who the fuck rides this shit?
It is a real thing, my friend just cruises and has a pair of these.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on June 29, 2016, 10:54:45 PM
hahaha im pretty sure they are not very good for tailslides/noseslides because the wheels are going to be touching the side of the ledge too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Cherb on June 29, 2016, 11:22:25 PM
hahaha im pretty sure they are not very good for tailslides/noseslides because the wheels are going to be touching the side of the ledge too much
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on June 30, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
Got bored and messed around with some extra truck gear today. I noticed when I took the hanger off the set of Ace's I had that sounded really dead, the kingpin moved around a bit. Needless to say I found the culprit. I know using Bones bushings without a bottom washer and having wobbly ass trucks probably added to more stress on the kingpin, but even when they were stock and brand new they didn't sound right, therefore I'm calling it a defective set. I'm too broke to pay for shipping and send them to Ace though haha.

I have another set, and I found a trick to maintain the stock geometry while still having a nice wobble. The washers that come with Bones bushings, putting two of them under each bottom bushing gets it even with an Ace bushing and the stock washer. Bones' top bushing is actually taller than an Ace top, so I'm going to omit the top washer protecting the Bones bushing and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on July 08, 2016, 04:52:26 AM
^ Both kingpins on my last set of stage 11s had that problem. I was running aftermarket medium Indy bushings with no bottom washer loose.


Do Indy pivot cups work in either Ace or Thunder?

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I'm really liking Ace 44's. I'm keeping the bushings stock, they're breaking in nicely.
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Word. I decided too switch back to the stock bushings for a little while and they are definitely really nice once broken in. The bushings in the newer trucks must be better than the old ones because I can't see anything about them worth complaining about. Or else I just don't give a shit about anything. Which could easily be it.

Right now I'm running Ace 44s stock and loving it.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 08, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
Not sure if Indy pivot cups work in Ace, but from what I've read on here it seems like Khiro is a way more quality product if you're going to spend money on aftermarket cups, so I would just get those.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 10:15:27 AM
Indy/Thunder/Theeve/Khiro pivot cups are al interchangeable.

Theeve ships with cups on par with Khiro softs.

Thunder ships with hard ass cups, indy and ace are a bit softer. whatever.

Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 08, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 02:55:25 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.

Even if you did jam them in, they would stick up above the baseplate as they're easily 1/8" taller, if not more than regular pivot cups!
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 08, 2016, 02:56:50 PM
Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.

I had that issue with khiro soft pivot cups in just regular indys. they stuck out a lot, but they worked
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
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Bmcsteve brought me back some khiros from socal and I couldn't get them in a forged Indy baseplate. They were a hair too wide and I couldn't jam them in. Had to go buy some Indy pivot cups.
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I had that issue with khiro soft pivot cups in just regular indys. they stuck out a lot, but they worked

Yeah, they stick up a few mm, hardly noticeable in use (on forged plates anyway); they fit flush in ACEs.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 09:41:18 AM
What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?

I want some. I see random pictures of skate shops that have them on their trucks as if they came stock. But apparently Ace is selling them separately? I don't know...
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Deekay on July 09, 2016, 11:55:28 AM
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What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?
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I want some. I see random pictures of skate shops that have them on their trucks as if they came stock. But apparently Ace is selling them separately? I don't know...

Could you post a pic? I haven't seen them.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
Why do you want them?  Lighter? 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/-S00hshjtR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/-S00hshjtR/)

I just want 'em cause they look cool.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on July 09, 2016, 08:12:24 PM
Indy/Thunder/Theeve/Khiro pivot cups are al interchangeable.

Theeve ships with cups on par with Khiro softs.

Thunder ships with hard ass cups, indy and ace are a bit softer. whatever.

Thanks, I'll hold onto these Indy pivot cups for when I try some Thunders.



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What's the deal w. the new ace axel nuts?
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I want some. I see random pictures of skate shops that have them on their trucks as if they came stock. But apparently Ace is selling them separately? I don't know...

They come stock. I bought my first set of Ace (44s) two weeks ago and they came with them. Tripped me out when I went to set them up, but they do look pretty cool. Now it's going to fuck me up and I won't want to go back to regular ones.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 09, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Where'd you get them at? My local shops have the newer redesigns but no 3/8 specials.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
Purpose?  I could see a nut w. A built in speed ring to push up against the race....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: larry leadfoot on July 10, 2016, 02:39:58 AM
Where'd you get them at? My local shops have the newer redesigns but no 3/8 specials.

A shop in Melbourne, so they should be widely available in the US if I can get them in Australia. Maybe ask Socal?

Purpose?  I could see a nut w. A built in speed ring to push up against the race....

No idea, but I'm digging the thicker speed rings that come with Ace. I stacked two Ace speed rings on the inside and put a thinner Indy one on the outside. There's less space for the wheels to move when the axle nuts are flush compared to what I had with Indies. With Indies, 3 rings on the inside didn't work, and two on the inside created more space when trying to get the nuts flush.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: franquietits on July 10, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2016, 08:18:02 AM
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Where'd you get them at? My local shops have the newer redesigns but no 3/8 specials.
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A shop in Melbourne, so they should be widely available in the US if I can get them in Australia. Maybe ask Socal?

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Purpose?  I could see a nut w. A built in speed ring to push up against the race....
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No idea, but I'm digging the thicker speed rings that come with Ace. I stacked two Ace speed rings on the inside and put a thinner Indy one on the outside. There's less space for the wheels to move when the axle nuts are flush compared to what I had with Indies. With Indies, 3 rings on the inside didn't work, and two on the inside created more space when trying to get the nuts flush.

I remember 'speed rings' which were really small and convex....never really understood why but I get it now, to limit the contact w. The bearing. 
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 10, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
The 3/8 special nuts protect the axle from being dethreaded I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: the snake on July 10, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 10, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
I'd go 139s BUT it doesn't really matter. I'd base it off of if you plan on sizing up or down in the near future.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 10, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?

149, it will be so much better.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: OldManSkate on July 10, 2016, 01:44:41 PM
so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
149s. More stable IMO but it's all personal preference.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2016, 02:43:05 PM
149....axel is 8.5 inches no?  I just assumed if you're in this thread you'd care if your nuts stuck out.....
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 10, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
like bmc steve said before, its about flipability vs stability, 139 for flips and 149 for the stable ride
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: swag nollies on July 10, 2016, 04:34:35 PM
Still rocking my venture 5.0 lows on a 8.25 deck. The bushings are dust but I cant take the nut off to change them, probly 8-9 years old. My favorite trucks and I dont want to get new ones, so used to them and can predict how therye gonna act.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: ZEBRA on July 10, 2016, 10:57:56 PM
I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 

I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 11, 2016, 12:45:47 AM
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I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
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I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.

You can pre-order them but they're around 70 a pair, might as well get titanium trucks.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: rob on July 11, 2016, 01:25:10 AM
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I know there was a thread on these a year or 2 ago, but I was wondering what some playa pimps think about it now:

Riders talk about testing Avenue Suspension Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ReAxkhYI#)

My only worry about them (besides being teased, skater's trying to give me a johhny or worse... an Indian burn!) would be transitioning comfortably back to normal trucks afterwards. 
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I haven't met anyone that has skated them that actually knows what they're talking about, so I have no real info on them. I don't do any drops or stairs or anything, so not sure if they would actually do anything for me. I'm a bigger guy. 5'7" on a good day, 200lbs.

I'm super interested in them though. If I'm ever able to, I'm definitely down to try a set.

from what ive seen online they just have a different pivoting turn cause of the way the baseplate is and that the tradtional T tool doesnt work for the back bolts. the turn is smoother supposedly, like less effort to turn
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Esquivel on July 11, 2016, 01:42:36 AM
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so...139's or 149's on a 8.25 ?
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149s. More stable IMO but it's all personal preference.

if you  are talking about thunder trucks then its not personal preference. 149 is for 8.25 and over. if you use 139m on a 8.25 board the trucks are too narrow for that board and it just looks daft like a kid's board and its generally weird to lock into grinds and to skate (should be rad for pressure flips though). if you cant afford a new set of trucks then fair play.
Title: Re: Truck set-ups
Post by: Main on July 11, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
I take back anything bad I've said about Mini Logo trucks. Avenue trucks gave me cancer.
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Post by: the snake on July 11, 2016, 10:02:23 AM
149s will be the next trucks i buy, but first shoes and tires, fucking wisdom !
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Post by: ChuckRamone on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?
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Post by: the snake on July 11, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
do the math stuff for us, steve ^^
hollow included please
 
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Post by: BMCsteve on July 11, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
what's the change from 139s to 149s like? is the difference in weight noticeable?

Ha! I feel like I know most of this stuff off the top of my head at this point.  It's taking the place of other information in my brain like my wife's birth date.

The difference in weight between 139s and 149s