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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Gideon Choi on December 22, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
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The stereotype is that Asians are good in math, well that's actually true for me as well.
I was re-watching Stevie's Transworld part in The Reason, obviously well-noted for his long lines and mostly filmed at Love Park. But this time around I couldn't help but dig a bit deeper and pull same interesting data from the video part. I had fun doing this and might make this a regular thing. Anyways, Stevie Williams part in The Reason:
- Time duration of part = 4m 34s
- Actual skating from Stevie = 2m 10s or 48% of total part
- Rest of video part (intro, Kevin Taylor & Josh Kalis) = 2m 20s or 52%
- Stevie's first line = 40s long or 31% of his skating or 15% of the total video part
- Stevie's total video clips filmed = 14
- 11 clips filmed @ LOVE / 2 clips @ The Pier / 1 clip @ Brooklyn Banks
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I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.
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I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.
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Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism
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Reminds me of watson's statistics of fully flared
http://youwillsoon.blogspot.com/2008/04/fully-flared-statistical-analysis.html?zx=db3e3ababb89ea55 (http://youwillsoon.blogspot.com/2008/04/fully-flared-statistical-analysis.html?zx=db3e3ababb89ea55)
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Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts Please elaborate
-Occurrence of certain outfits Chris Cole should rank high
-Average pushes between tricks in lines I'd probably start with Brent Atchley - Not much of a pusher
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism Getting into metadata here which is good! Could start with Yeah Right! and total # of manual tricks (littered throughout video) and then 4 years later in Fully Flared the noseslide revert to tailslide is that videos' trendy trick. So much that Matt Bennett learned to do them and posted it to Instagram.
All good feedback, plenty to work with!
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Time spent overcoming racial stereotypes and being a role model for black skaters everywhere and getting out the hood- 4m 34s
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Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism
All good feedback, plenty to work with!
Well we could finally calculate who is truly the most east/west coast/midwest/Canadian/European skaters. Even most footage captured on busted asphalt could finally reveal who is the rawest
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Not sure what point can be proved from this data, but I am glad someone collected it, gnar'd
This is the level we need to be looking at things at:
-Time/trick calculated in a number of ways for comparison to other parts
-Occurrence of certain outfits
-Average pushes between tricks in lines
-Philosophical ramifications and symbolism
Shit this made me lol
There could be negative percentages too:
video parts without transition
video parts without bro hugs/high fives
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Appreciate that statistical breakdown. I feel as if I could have estimated the 2 minutes of actual, most of which were at Love.
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These, of course, are the old measures or criteria for parts/clips which have fueled many of our debates:
Groundbreaking/NBD
Perceived velocity
Overall trick variation
Switch to natural stance ratio
Stair count/estimated gap size
One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)
Handrail size (length=stair count)/estimated height when contact initiated
Estimated pop size
trick caught or plopped
Naturally occurring structure, purpose built (skater-made) obstacle or modified approach (bondo/angle iron)
Sketch/style meter (faked?)
Clothing trendiness/gaudiness/freshness (makeover?)
Geographic proximity of spot to skater's native origin
Perceived casualness of execution
Point of part that viewer's mind could not process any further
Additional non-skating clips (superfluous or aesthetically enriching)
Thus, I welcome your more quantifiable metrics since many of these old measures are purely subjective.
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fuck yeah Lazyeyes, especially the "Point of part that viewer's mind could not process any further". The sooner this point occurs the higher the score
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You can be great and overrated. That is Stevie to me.
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oh man, this thread has some real potential. nice one Gideon.
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All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...
One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)
Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
- Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
- This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
- Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs
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I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.
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All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...
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One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)
Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
- Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
- This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
- Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs
It's Interesting how this is praised yet Pine seems to add a stair and a flip/board rotation to his progression every part and gets guff for it. It's like 1 flip forward two stairs back, should he be adding 2-3 stairs for every flip to compensate and be loved by all?
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I feel like this is going to lead to a published research paper in the field of advanced skateboard video analysis. That is a great thing.
I would also like to introduce a phrase to the lexicon of skate video nerdery.
In music, the amen break is an oft sampled piece of music.
Amen Break - normal, fast and slow version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQLk7NcpO4#)
I propose the amen break have a completely different meaning in skate videos.
It should be the name attached to a non-skating clip or even the congratulatory aftermath immediately following an especially overwhelming/overstimulating trick in a video.
The effective use of amen breaks in skate video give the viewer a pause to take in the greatness/miracle they have just witnessed.
As an example of effective use of the amen break, give this part as an example
Jake Johnson - Mind Field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gx4PKwSfNY#)
It not only gives the video part a rhythm/tempo, but the purposeful use of amen breaks also serves the initial offering of tricks to us in bite-sized appetizer pieces before dealing out the main course.
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I always thought Jason Dill's part was interesting in Mosaic:
2 tricks in a pool
1 trick on a mini board
And the above happens in the first 20 seconds of his part. From there his part is:
6 lines in Los Angeles
4 lines in Barcelona
In the 3 years it took to make this video, Jason Dill got useable footage 13 times. Great footage nonetheless.
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This thread is good for skateboarding.
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In life and online I am moved to remark almost exclusively when I am angered or annoyed, it is posts like these that remind me I need to work on that. Great stuff Gideon Choi, can't wait to see more.
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Analysis of Greco's parts vs. fashion makeovers please :D
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All good feedback so far! When I browse these other suggestions it's great because specific parts/videos automatically jump to mind and then I feel the need to rewatch some good ol' classics. One that layzieyez suggested was...
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One stair more than last part (repeated trick since last video part with the addition of one stair)
Andrew Reynolds' 3 video parts back-to-back-to-back one upping himself with his frontside flips
- Baker 2G (2000) @ 4:00 mark - F/S Flip 15 stairs at Wilshire
- This Is Skateboarding (2003) @ 4:45 mark - F/S Flip 16 stairs at Bernal Heights
- Baker 3 (2005) @ 4:42 mark - F/S Flip 17 stairs
Lol@ pine and reynolds in the same sentence.
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See the popped vs plopped for why one would be revered and the other reviled.
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as a data mining scientist myself i can really appreciate this kind of thread.
somebody/everybody who has the time should keep going and make that "by the numbers"-threadtitle;hashtag;whatsoever a regular thing.
unnecessary data is the best. even more when some guy is going to analyze it using R doing fancy graphs and stuff.
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I love it!
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Question? I'm working on some more skate video data, is it better to start a new "By The Numbers" thread each time or just add on to this thread?
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Question? I'm working on some more skate video data, is it better to start a new "By The Numbers" thread each time or just add on to this thread?
I'd say either change the thread title to simply "By The Numbers" and it would be fine, just edit your first post and you can change it
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i think a new thread each time would yield a better response.
i don't know if others do this too, but i tend to ignore older threads, even if they're still active.
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Definitely in favor of a new thread each time.
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Question? I'm working on some more skate video data, is it better to start a new "By The Numbers" thread each time or just add on to this thread?
I'm also in favour of one thread "By the numbers". I prefer it when there are less threads.
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i think a new thread each time would yield a better response.
i don't know if others do this too, but i tend to ignore older threads, even if they're still active.
Amazing avatar
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I highly appreciate this advanced nerdery.