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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: ChuckRamone on February 21, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
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So you guys voting for Trump?
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that slappy feeble to fakie has my vote
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Got my vote for sure, dude is fucking hilarious. Way better than Hillary at least. Can't wait to see the show he's gonna put on if actually gets elected, shit's gonna get crazy
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sure, all of them fucking suck so we might as well have a entertaining president.
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Trump still needs the black and mexican vote, check the polls
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I've been following him on Twitter since before he announced he'd run, mostly out of morbid curiosity at the stuff he says. When he first started talking about running, I was like he doesn't have a chance in hell and thought it was laughable. But now he's a serious contender and may be our next president. I have a hard time wanting to vote for any of the candidates so I have no idea yet what I'll do come election time.
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I'm not surprised that people still think voting actually matters. The bullshit that comes out of any presidential candidates mouth couldn't be further from the truth. Corruption and lies on such an enormous scale that will never end until society is pissed off enough. Which probably wont happen within our lifetime.
"It's all bullshit, folks. And it's bad for ya." -Carlin
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You can't stump the Trump.
Hillary scares the shit out of me.
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The choices in this election reflect the dead end west is into. Things are pretty same in Europe. Fascists like trump gaining ground, while the rest semi-fascists or sociodemocrats that you cant distinct them from right wing politicians are crambling. Well you also have the faux leftists like Podemos and Syriza but those are jokes. Trump is nuts I think that he can easily provoke a world war 3, something not that hard with situation between Syria, Russia and Turkey.
Also what's your opinion on the Bern? Do you feel the Burn? I cant seem to buy into, he seems like the american version of tsipras.
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Let me find out yall out here openly supporting Trump's racist ass just cause he's "funny" (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/leo.png)
Bernie could be bullshitting or way in over his head but I'd rather vote for someone with (seemingly) good intentions than an outspoken bigot (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
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Also what's your opinion on the Bern? Do you feel the Burn? I cant seem to buy into, he seems like the american version of tsipras. �
As a college attending, legal US resident I feel that Bernie is a great choice, he's been funded by supporters and doesn't have to pay big corps back. What he needs is someone who can advise him the right way financially so he doesn't make the wrong budget cuts. If I could, I definitely would vote for him.
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I definitely think Bernie is the closest we've had to an actual "Leftie" candidate in a very long time.
That being said, to keep with the Carlin theme:
George Carlin - Why I Don't Vote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA#)
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I definitely think Bernie is the closest we've had to an actual "Leftie" candidate in a very long time.
That being said, to keep with the Carlin theme:
George Carlin - Why I Don't Vote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA#)
it's bernie or die since George can't be president.
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Cruz is by far the worst. Trump is a good distraction from from that, and I could see uninformed people who think Trump is racist blindly voting for Cruz.
There was a video on Vice last week about Trump supporters in (I think) South Carolina. They're conservatives, yet they all basically blame their economic problems on free trade, so that's why their voting for Trump. This is the state of critical thinking in America.
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Let me find out yall out here openly supporting Trump's racist ass just cause he's "funny" (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/leo.png)
Bernie could be bullshitting or way in over his head but I'd rather vote for someone with (seemingly) good intentions than an outspoken bigot (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
Nobody gets this far in politics without being a crook, and it doesn't really make a difference who's president anyways. Tufty is pretty much on point with this.
Trumps ego is already through the roof, would be interesting to see what happens to him if he actually gets elected
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Cruz is by far the worst. Trump is a good distraction from from that, and I could see uninformed people who think Trump is racist blindly voting for Cruz.
There was a video on Vice last week about Trump supporters in (I think) South Carolina. They're conservatives, yet they all basically blame their economic problems on free trade, so that's why their voting for Trump. This is the state of critical thinking in America.
What? All I get is this anouncement that it will be a tv chanel on 29th (https://viceland.com/en_us/)
The choices in this election reflect the dead end west is into. Things are pretty same in Europe. Fascists like trump gaining ground, while the rest semi-fascists or sociodemocrats that you cant distinct them from right wing politicians are crambling. Well you also have the faux leftists like Podemos and Syriza but those are jokes. Trump is nuts I think that he can easily provoke a world war 3, something not that hard with situation between Syria, Russia and Turkey.
Also what's your opinion on the Bern? Do you feel the Burn? I cant seem to buy into, he seems like the american version of tsipras.
For once, I agree with you, Tufts.
There is basically no party left to vote for, and that is really saying something considering the fact that I can choose between 7+. In reality, Sweden is run by coalitions, so there are two "blocks" to chose from.
Socialdemocrats are in commanding position right now are are executing policies that are just short of semi-nazis in SD . Not the party I voted for two years ago, not at all. The "liberals" are pretty much set on selling anything for a few dollars, as long as it does not affect them. The "far left" is still in denial and are so fucking PC that it makes me puke.
Im sure Monty will agree that the rest is of the menu is garbage and waste of votes. The party he voted for formed an alliance with "Socialdemocrats" and became the biggest laughing stock in the history of Swedish politics. They sold their soul and have zero power.
Im dont know what to do anymore.
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There's nobody I want to vote for so I'm just going to write in Fred Gall and vote yes on legalizing weed.
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There's nobody I want to vote for so I'm just going to write in Fred Gall and vote yes on legalizing weed.
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
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Winter is Trumping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg#)
Bernie. If not him, I'll begrudgingly vote for Clinton.
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Let me find out yall out here openly supporting Trump's racist ass just cause he's "funny" (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/leo.png)
Bernie could be bullshitting or way in over his head but I'd rather vote for someone with (seemingly) good intentions than an outspoken bigot (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
Nobody gets this far in politics without being a crook, and it doesn't really make a difference who's president anyways. Tufty is pretty much on point with this.
Trumps ego is already through the roof, would be interesting to see what happens to him if he actually gets elected
Interesting to see a bigoted egomaniac with no political track record or experience in foreign policy lead our already in deep shit country as president for 4 years? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/fantasia2.png) Nah I'm good. Obviously all politicians are suspect, but there's no way as a minority in America I could ever even consider voting for Trump. His father was also a known racist who was doing some pretty foul shit as a landlord too. I can't fathom how one could empathize with the minority struggle in America & vote for him. He'll say shit here & there in attempts to get extra minority votes but we all know he'd throw us to the bushes & hope we rot as soon as he were to win
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I hope nobody is actually voting for Trump. Ironically or not.
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I hope nobody is actually voting for Trump. Ironically or not.
Yeah, I'm Kinda scared of the Trump support on the slap right now. I never thought people actually considered him as a president.
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I heard someone make a statement that Trump is supported by 40-50% of the country. I think it wasn't taking into account that those numbers only applied to Republicans.
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Trump is gonna win, hate to say, and I suppose the one difference between presidents could be how they're percieved by foriegn countries inhabitants. If the president is offensive more will be insighted to possible war and crazy-ness.
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My 82 year old racist grandfather likes trump... And Ben Carson for some reason. In November I'll be 6 months out from graduating, my wife's parents own property in the Phillipines, I'd be out come June. I'll run for mayor of the tiny town they're from, maybe chief of police. Open a skate shop in Cebu City and coast through life. I've planned this. The idea of Trump or Cruz winning terrifies me.
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My aunt left my mom a bunch of land in the Philippines and I, too, am considering getting out of dodge to go manage the land holding down there. I'm pretty sure I could coast through life without ever working again if I did.
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trumps fantastic. he's hilarious, vibed the pope and now has changed the the tone of the republican party to be more honest and in doing so made them sure unelectable on the national scale. bernie is like a hippie, shave him and give him a bath and all you got left is a dream. he won't get shit done. he's way too inflexible and idealistic. hillary is our best bet at the moment. she's super watered down because she's been in politics so long and trying to do everything for everyone without being able to inspire like obama, however, her terms would be just like bill's all over again except with leassons learned and bills years were some of the best in the last 30 years.
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trumps fantastic. he's hilarious, vibed the pope and now has changed the the tone of the republican party to be more honest and in doing so made them sure unelectable on the national scale. bernie is like a hippie, shave him and give him a bath and all you got left is a dream. he won't get shit done. he's way too inflexible and idealistic. hillary is our best bet at the moment. she's super watered down because she's been in politics so long and trying to do everything for everyone without being able to inspire like obama, however, her terms would be just like bill's all over again except with leassons learned and bills years were some of the best in the last 30 years.
Bill's years were some of the most punitive and harmful to minority communities in the last 40 years. Geo Group and CCA have their hands deep in Hillary's pockets, regardless of what she says. You can't take money from those guys and say you're about CJ reform. She gave "some" of the money back from CCA, but Geo lobbyists are still up in that.
My aunt left my mom a bunch of land in the Philippines and I, too, am considering getting out of dodge to go manage the land holding down there. I'm pretty sure I could coast through life without ever working again if I did.
If you get any kind of pension or compensation from the (think you were navy), I'd be all over it. They need a white guy to play Jesus around Xmas and Mardi Gras, so I should be golden.
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I hope nobody is actually voting for Trump. Ironically or not.
Yeah, I'm Kinda scared of the Trump support on the slap right now. I never thought people actually considered him as a president.
I don't think for a second Trump will win, people are confusing his media popularity with his ability to get elected. As Sleazy mentioned above, the "good" thing he has done is stripped the Republican party of all it's pretense and exposed them for the racist/classist pieces of shit we all knew they were. At least he doesn't try to hide it.
That being said, what is scariest about Trump is that his followers have built up quite a big sense of egotism, and I hardly think they will magically go away if Trump doesn't get the nomination. This is what makes Trump's "success" much less hilarious.
The fact that he has gotten this far is pretty amazing though... it seemed like every week for the last 6 months people have predicting "oh man it's the end for Trump".
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I hope nobody is actually voting for Trump. Ironically or not.
Yeah, I'm Kinda scared of the Trump support on the slap right now. I never thought people actually considered him as a president.
I don't think for a second Trump will win, people are confusing his media popularity with his ability to get elected. As Sleazy mentioned above, the "good" thing he has done is stripped the Republican party of all it's pretense and exposed them for the racist/classist pieces of shit we all knew they were. At least he doesn't try to hide it.
That being said, what is scariest about Trump is that his followers have built up quite a big sense of egotism, and I hardly think they will magically go away if Trump doesn't get the nomination. This is what makes Trump's "success" much less hilarious.
The fact that he has gotten this far is pretty amazing though... it seemed like every week for the last 6 months people have predicting "oh man it's the end for Trump".
I Couldn't agree more. I find everything he says to be very disrespectful, Such as him making fun of a mentally challenge kid or his racist remarks, and yet he is still in the race. The fact that some candidates drop out of the race for less, and He is still in it is astonishing. For example, Howard Dean dropped out for just screaming "Yeah."
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Glenn Beck, of all people, has put together a pretty good Trump series, exposing how goddamn insane it is that anyone is considering voting for The Donald. When Glenn Beck and Bill Maher can unite over their hatred for a potential candidate... well fuck.
https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/sets/donald-trump-rise-to (https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/sets/donald-trump-rise-to)
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The minority vote will surge if Trump makes it that far. Similar to how Obama brought out black voters, there will be a record number of Hispanic voters voting against Trump. Dude will not get elected.
Trump is the best thing to happen to Democrats and the worst thing to happen to Republicans.
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that's exactly the point i was making. i also find it amusing that people think that ways of thinking are wrong. trumps way of thinking isn't wrong and it clearly resonates with a lot of people. people have a right in a free country to be as shitty as they want to be and have as trashy and poor taste as they choose. what's refreshing about trump is that things are much more honest now. also, he's move a lot of dialogs in better directions in my opinion as he's not afraid to been seen as not being PC. i mean how fucking awesome is it to have a serious presidential candidate basically say fuck you to the pope. sure that offended a lot of people but why the fuck non-christians have to be respectful to the pope when he's trying to impose his influence over them. that said, this pope is pretty awesome and trumps a piece of shit, i just like the general idea of fuck the pope.
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trumps fantastic. he's hilarious, vibed the pope and now has changed the the tone of the republican party to be more honest and in doing so made them sure unelectable on the national scale. bernie is like a hippie, shave him and give him a bath and all you got left is a dream. he won't get shit done. he's way too inflexible and idealistic. hillary is our best bet at the moment. she's super watered down because she's been in politics so long and trying to do everything for everyone without being able to inspire like obama, however, her terms would be just like bill's all over again except with leassons learned and bills years were some of the best in the last 30 years.
Bill's years were some of the most punitive and harmful to minority communities in the last 40 years. Geo Group and CCA have their hands deep in Hillary's pockets, regardless of what she says. You can't take money from those guys and say you're about CJ reform. She gave "some" of the money back from CCA, but Geo lobbyists are still up in that.
maybe you didn't understand my assertion because it was that Clinton years were better, meaning quantifiable better across more metrics. example he took us from the largest budget deficit to the largest budget surplus under his terms. if you disagree with that statement the you should explain who preformed better as it currently sounds like you don't understand what i'm asserting and what i'm not asserting. he could have done a horrible job and still been the best in the last 30 years if everyone else did even worst...
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that's exactly the point i was making. i also find it amusing that people think that ways of thinking are wrong. trumps way of thinking isn't wrong and it clearly resonates with a lot of people. people have a right in a free country to be as shitty as they want to be and have as trashy and poor taste as they choose. what's refreshing about trump is that things are much more honest now. also, he's move a lot of dialogs in better directions in my opinion as he's not afraid to been seen as not being PC. i mean how fucking awesome is it to have a serious presidential candidate basically say fuck you to the pope. sure that offended a lot of people but why the fuck non-christians have to be respectful to the pope when he's trying to impose his influence over them. that said, this pope is pretty awesome and trumps a piece of shit, i just like the general idea of fuck the pope.
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trumps fantastic. he's hilarious, vibed the pope and now has changed the the tone of the republican party to be more honest and in doing so made them sure unelectable on the national scale. bernie is like a hippie, shave him and give him a bath and all you got left is a dream. he won't get shit done. he's way too inflexible and idealistic. hillary is our best bet at the moment. she's super watered down because she's been in politics so long and trying to do everything for everyone without being able to inspire like obama, however, her terms would be just like bill's all over again except with leassons learned and bills years were some of the best in the last 30 years.
Bill's years were some of the most punitive and harmful to minority communities in the last 40 years. Geo Group and CCA have their hands deep in Hillary's pockets, regardless of what she says. You can't take money from those guys and say you're about CJ reform. She gave "some" of the money back from CCA, but Geo lobbyists are still up in that.
maybe you didn't understand my assertion because it was that Clinton years were better, meaning quantifiable better across more metrics. example he took us from the largest budget deficit to the largest budget surplus under his terms. if you disagree with that statement the you should explain who preformed better as it currently sounds like you don't understand what i'm asserting and what i'm not asserting. he could have done a horrible job and still been the best in the last 30 years if everyone else did even worst...
Wow, I wasn't trying to argue who did what better, I was just stating a fact that it wasn't sunshine and roses for everyone under Billy. If you disagree or don't understand you should explain who performed better as it currently sounds like you don't understand what I'm asserting and what I'm not asserting, you smug fuck.
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Bernie Sanders is like those ads telling me there's hot singles in my area ready to fuck. it sounds great, but is it really gonna happen?
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Got my vote for sure, dude is fucking hilarious. Way better than Hillary at least. Can't wait to see the show he's gonna put on if actually gets elected, shit's gonna get crazy
sure, all of them fucking suck so we might as well have a entertaining president.
Both of you realize that lives are on the line right ? lives of US military and civilians and military around the world . Voting for Trump might cause a new world war , war against mexico , huge changes in the law for abortion , drugs , privacy laws and so on
Im not sure how you can think all that is going to be fun
I'm not surprised that people still think voting actually matters. The bullshit that comes out of any presidential candidates mouth couldn't be further from the truth. Corruption and lies on such an enormous scale that will never end until society is pissed off enough. Which probably wont happen within our lifetime.
"It's all bullshit, folks. And it's bad for ya." -Carlin
This is one of the elections where it matters alot who you vote for and you have more choice then in a long time of who you can vote for .
Trump , Clinton , Sanders and Cruz all have very different policies that can change alot in the USA and the world
And quoting Carlin is abit weird , when people like Lenny Bruce paved the way for Carlin and voting / shift in law and policies actually came from voting . The reason Carlin could say what he wanted is cause of Lenny Bruce and people voting ...
whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
I dont belive Sanders would be a puppet of the elite , I also doubt they would oust him from presidentsy or assassinate him . He would get his 4 years and if people like it 4 more years . Im not sure how much he could change everything but he wouldnt be a new Bush
Trump would prob do what ever he wanted aswell .
Democracy is not a illusion , its alive and healthy in alot of countries . But the USA is not a democracy its a republic
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Got my vote for sure, dude is fucking hilarious. Way better than Hillary at least. Can't wait to see the show he's gonna put on if actually gets elected, shit's gonna get crazy
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sure, all of them fucking suck so we might as well have a entertaining president.
Both of you realize that lives are on the line right ? lives of US military and civilians and military around the world . Voting for Trump might cause a new world war , war against mexico , huge changes in the law for abortion , drugs , privacy laws and so on
Im not sure how you can think all that is going to be fun
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I'm not surprised that people still think voting actually matters. The bullshit that comes out of any presidential candidates mouth couldn't be further from the truth. Corruption and lies on such an enormous scale that will never end until society is pissed off enough. Which probably wont happen within our lifetime.
"It's all bullshit, folks. And it's bad for ya." -Carlin
This is one of the elections where it matters alot who you vote for and you have more choice then in a long time of who you can vote for .
Trump , Clinton , Sanders and Cruz all have very different policies that can change alot in the USA and the world
And quoting Carlin is abit weird , when people like Lenny Bruce paved the way for Carlin and voting / shift in law and policies actually came from voting . The reason Carlin could say what he wanted is cause of Lenny Bruce and people voting ...
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
I dont belive Sanders would be a puppet of the elite , I also doubt they would oust him from presidentsy or assassinate him . He would get his 4 years and if people like it 4 more years . Im not sure how much he could change everything but he wouldnt be a new Bush
Trump would prob do what ever he wanted aswell .
Democracy is not a illusion , its alive and healthy in alot of countries . But the USA is not a democracy its a republic
People have said this about every election since the beginning. Just insert different puppets instead of the ones listed. You're right that the USA is not a democracy. It's true we live in a country that calls itself a democracy...but it's not. It doesn't matter who sits in the chair, decisions are not made for the interest of the people. We should all be in control of our own lives.
I quoted Carlin because he nailed it: "They don't give a fuck about you".
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I like the sound of Bernie the most but Clinton will be the next President i feel like there isn't much choice involved, she is corrupt as fuck.
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#busenitz4prez
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
I dont belive Sanders would be a puppet of the elite , I also doubt they would oust him from presidentsy or assassinate him . He would get his 4 years and if people like it 4 more years . Im not sure how much he could change everything but he wouldnt be a new Bush
Trump would prob do what ever he wanted aswell .
Democracy is not a illusion , its alive and healthy in alot of countries . But the USA is not a democracy its a republic
i don't believe he would either, and that's why the economic elites aren't backing him and he will not secure the democratic nomination, let alone win the presidency. who said anything about ousting him or assassination? such measures are no longer needed. a massive smear campaign would be much easier to get away with. while his image is being tarnished, the 99% of bribed politicians (both parties, including congress, the senate, etc) would block everything that didn't line up with the uber rich agenda. he would essentially be a political serpico. ineffective due to blockade then blamed for lack of accomplishment. probably also dig up something from his past and twist it around, or just straight up frame him with something. career and life ruined. they have many options here.
umm....really? i wasn't talking about what kind of government the us has. the rest of my words should have made that clear. i made a statement saying america currently lacks democracy. the public have little to no say.
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i moved to sweden last year and have no plans to return to the homeland for anything beyond vacations
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that's exactly the point i was making. i also find it amusing that people think that ways of thinking are wrong. trumps way of thinking isn't wrong and it clearly resonates with a lot of people. people have a right in a free country to be as shitty as they want to be and have as trashy and poor taste as they choose. what's refreshing about trump is that things are much more honest now. also, he's move a lot of dialogs in better directions in my opinion as he's not afraid to been seen as not being PC. i mean how fucking awesome is it to have a serious presidential candidate basically say fuck you to the pope. sure that offended a lot of people but why the fuck non-christians have to be respectful to the pope when he's trying to impose his influence over them. that said, this pope is pretty awesome and trumps a piece of shit, i just like the general idea of fuck the pope.
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trumps fantastic. he's hilarious, vibed the pope and now has changed the the tone of the republican party to be more honest and in doing so made them sure unelectable on the national scale. bernie is like a hippie, shave him and give him a bath and all you got left is a dream. he won't get shit done. he's way too inflexible and idealistic. hillary is our best bet at the moment. she's super watered down because she's been in politics so long and trying to do everything for everyone without being able to inspire like obama, however, her terms would be just like bill's all over again except with leassons learned and bills years were some of the best in the last 30 years.
Bill's years were some of the most punitive and harmful to minority communities in the last 40 years. Geo Group and CCA have their hands deep in Hillary's pockets, regardless of what she says. You can't take money from those guys and say you're about CJ reform. She gave "some" of the money back from CCA, but Geo lobbyists are still up in that.
maybe you didn't understand my assertion because it was that Clinton years were better, meaning quantifiable better across more metrics. example he took us from the largest budget deficit to the largest budget surplus under his terms. if you disagree with that statement the you should explain who preformed better as it currently sounds like you don't understand what i'm asserting and what i'm not asserting. he could have done a horrible job and still been the best in the last 30 years if everyone else did even worst...
not being smug... just pointing out that your point is orthagonal to the point i was making. if we returned to clinton era politics we'd still be doing better than we have for most of the last 30 years based on past performance metrics. you can nit pick anything that anyone does, big picture is generally more practical and more illuminating. i'm pretty sure what i'm saying is fairly accurate
1) republicans are kind of fucked
2) bernie has some ideas that sound great and is clearly a very respectable idealist with good moral compass but he'd have a harder time getting independents and he'd have an even harder time passing any of his policies. anything he does get through is going to get watered down like obama care (which i still think is great and better than where we were before). i don't think it'd be that bad but i think he wouldn't get much done and might cause conservative backlash after only making it through a single term.
3) hillary would be a return to the type of executive approach under bill and those years were some of the better years for the country over the last 30. she's also extremely qualified compaired to trump (or any other republican front runners) and berny
honestly on the republican side i'd like to see john kasich come up more but really having trump sinking the ship is better than having a reasonable goldwater style republican in the running.
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i'm votin' trump.
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Sleazy, I agree with you, I liked Bill, but I was in school for his terms and wasn't fully aware/didn't give a shit at the time. I just hope, as you said, that she takes the mistakes of the Bill era and has a great presidency.
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https://www.quora.com/Is-Trump-leading-the-GOP-polls-because-Americans-are-supporting-him-ironically-so-they-can-snapchat-about-how-ironic-they-are (https://www.quora.com/Is-Trump-leading-the-GOP-polls-because-Americans-are-supporting-him-ironically-so-they-can-snapchat-about-how-ironic-they-are)
https://www.facebook.com/IronicTrump2016/ (https://www.facebook.com/IronicTrump2016/)
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Sleazy, I agree with you, I liked Bill, but I was in school for his terms and wasn't fully aware/didn't give a shit at the time. I just hope, as you said, that she takes the mistakes of the Bill era and has a great presidency.
I think her biggest problem is also her biggest strength in a way. She very much focused on satisfying a majority and not so much an idealistic candidate. Because of that and the fact that like Obama her historical legacy will be important I think she'll play it smart and safe.
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Bernie Sanders is like those ads telling me there's hot singles in my area ready to fuck. it sounds great, but is it really gonna happen?
No, he says he could pay for free college by taxing the shit out of the top 1% of 1% or something, which he probably could if he could rule with an iron fist. Republicans in government won't let that happen though, like most of his proposals.
At least he'll try though. Clinton might do a little, but she's too center to really shake it up, and she's almost certainly going to win with how the democratic party is actively trying to nominate her. We're just gonna be at the same place in 4 years.
Politics are so disappointing...
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Also what's your opinion on the Bern? Do you feel the Burn? I cant seem to buy into, he seems like the american version of tsipras. �
As a college attending, legal US resident I feel that Bernie is a great choice, he's been funded by supporters and doesn't have to pay big corps back. What he needs is someone who can advise him the right way financially so he doesn't make the wrong budget cuts. If I could, I definitely would vote for him.
Let me find out yall out here openly supporting Trump's racist ass just cause he's "funny" (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/leo.png)
Bernie could be bullshitting or way in over his head but I'd rather vote for someone with (seemingly) good intentions than an outspoken bigot (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
Definitely feeling the sincerity, I chose to belive it's real, that Bernie is putting out. Besides he's got Killer Mike in the corner and that's pretty damn cool. If Trump becomes president I genuinely worry what will happen. It's like having to invite that one racist friend to the party. You know if he comes to the party, somethings gonna get said to the wrong person and then next thing you know the party gets a drive by.
My 82 year old racist grandfather likes trump... And Ben Carson for some reason. In November I'll be 6 months out from graduating, my wife's parents own property in the Phillipines, I'd be out come June. I'll run for mayor of the tiny town they're from, maybe chief of police. Open a skate shop in Cebu City and coast through life. I've planned this. The idea of Trump or Cruz winning terrifies me.
Can I come live in your utopia?
Also what if Trump is like the Pharma Bro? Being so outrageous to expose what's wrong with the political system. Showing just how much he can get away with etc.
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no wonder this guy is popular with young people.
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At least he'll try though. Clinton might do a little, but she's too center to really shake it up, and she's almost certainly going to win with how the democratic party is actively trying to nominate her. We're just gonna be at the same place in 4 years.
what exactly where you hoping for? last 8 seem pretty good to me.
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not to mention the social change that has happened with gay rights, a president who's out spoken and tried to change gun laws, first time we've had major reform of medical system in a really long time, we didn't go to war in lybia or syria or get into any conflicts with north korea (which would have happened under republican leadership), we are having talks with iran and have a treaty for the first time...
i wish i was even close to this good at any job i've ever had.
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no wonder this guy is popular with young people.
LOL no fuckin way...
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Bernie Sanders is like those ads telling me there's hot singles in my area ready to fuck. it sounds great, but is it really gonna happen?
No, he says he could pay for free college by taxing the shit out of the top 1% of 1% or something, which he probably could if he could rule with an iron fist. Republicans in government won't let that happen though, like most of his proposals.
At least he'll try though. Clinton might do a little, but she's too center to really shake it up, and she's almost certainly going to win with how the democratic party is actively trying to nominate her. We're just gonna be at the same place in 4 years.
Politics are so disappointing...
It's not just republicans who won't let that happen. Every time the carried interest tax loophole comes up, it might get through the house but gets buried in the senate. Even when dems had the house and senate! Schumer won't let his most important constituents down. It's not even about taxing the shit out of them, we can't even tax them at the same rate as you or I.
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fuck this demon-woman
Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI#)
seriously, how could a human-being be so shameless?
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^Hedge Funds really aren't tax efficient investment vehicles. The carried interest provision applies if and only if the underlying investments are long term capital gains. Many hedge funds hold assets less than a year, in which case profits on the trades are taxed at short term capital gains rates of around 40%. Additionally, the carried interest only applies to the performance fees the GP generates, not to the management fees or administration fees which are taxed at ordinary income. Carried interest is more of an issue for venture capital and private equity. Hedge funds use other strategies to avoid taxes (master-feeder structures, blocker corporations, offshore reinsurance companies, ect).
One of my friends who I grew up skating with is now the CFO of a hedge fund. He told me that their fund is down 2% over the year, yet their fund got hit with a massive $113 million tax burden due to the way schedule K-1s are taxed. He said there was very poor tax planning on their part. The hedge fund manager doesn't even have $113 million (allegedly) and they don't know what they are going to do...
I work for a firm that helps raise capital for hedge funds. From what I understand, one of the issues is that taxation varies widely due to the particular strategy that the fund employs. Consultants, which make recommendations to institutional investors, are now demanding live track records from incubator funds which show the after tax return, not back-tested results which fail to take into account taxation. This is because tax burdens are becoming a bigger issue.
I'm not arguing for regressive taxation, but I don't think that the insinuation that hedge fund managers pay a smaller percent of their income in tax than the middle class is true at all. Especially once state taxes are taken into account.
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fuck this demon-woman
Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI#)
seriously, how could a human-being be so shameless?
you're giving her too much credit.
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
can't tell if your trolling or if you really believe that mccain would have got the affordable care act passed.
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My aunt left my mom a bunch of land in the Philippines and I, too, am considering getting out of dodge to go manage the land holding down there. I'm pretty sure I could coast through life without ever working again if I did.
If you get any kind of pension or compensation from the (think you were navy), I'd be all over it.[/quote]
I actually do get money from the VA. This is factoring into my decision process.
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
can't tell if your trolling or if you really believe that mccain would have got the affordable care act passed.
maybe you're trolling? i'm speaking about the big picture, where it seems like you're focused on a single piece of the puzzle.
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Trump is the most moderate Republican foreign policy wise, no?
http://ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Foreign_Policy.htm (http://ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Foreign_Policy.htm)
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/donald-trump-is-right-about-foreign-policy/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/donald-trump-is-right-about-foreign-policy/)
Anybody who want to go toe to toe with Russia is insane and a million times more dangerous than Trump.
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Got my vote for sure, dude is fucking hilarious. Way better than Hillary at least. Can't wait to see the show he's gonna put on if actually gets elected, shit's gonna get crazy
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sure, all of them fucking suck so we might as well have a entertaining president.
Both of you realize that lives are on the line right ? lives of US military and civilians and military around the world . Voting for Trump might cause a new world war , war against mexico , huge changes in the law for abortion , drugs , privacy laws and so on
Im not sure how you can think all that is going to be fun
Nah you're over-dramatizing it. If anything, Trump could actually have a very positive influence on the foreign affairs since he's a greedy business man who's probably willing to make deals with anybody no matter what their ideologies are. Also he doesn't seem eager to jump into conflicts for no reason
And war against Mexico?? That's some dumbass shit to say. US is Mexico's most important trading partner by quite a margin, they can't afford to not keep a good relationship
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Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Sends Fake Fox News Girls to Trump Rally • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KORZ8F--crY#)
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^^Jesus, that is gold!
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I'm just glad I wasn't drinking anything when the fisting part came up...
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Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Sends Fake Fox News Girls to Trump Rally • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KORZ8F--crY#)
Best thing i saw today. My stomach hurts from laughing. Ahah Thank you for that!
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Triumph has been killing it!!
Donald Trump Supporters Interviewed by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYdWXZLpT4#)
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog's Ben Carson Social Experiment • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrRMymkGxQw#)
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Stalks Ted Cruz • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDSIhQ4gC4#)
This one's the fucking best, should probably repost in the libtard thread...
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Talks to Young Voters • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j556MWGVVqI#)
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I honestly think trump would be better than hillary. I probably wont vote
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Triumph has been killing it!!
So funny
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People supporting Trump because he's "funny" is what's wrong with this country.
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Some Trump quotes from the past few days.
"We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated."
"I've met much tougher people than Ted Cruz. He is like a baby compared to some of the people I have to deal with. He is like a little baby: soft, weak, little baby by comparison."
"Mitt Romney, who was one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the history of Republican politics, is now pushing me on tax returns. Dope!" - I know he's calling Romney a dope but I love how it sounds when I imagine he used dope sarcastically.
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"We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated."
that's up there with "and i assume some are good people" after calling mexican immigrants rapists and murderers
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Triumph has been killing it!!
Donald Trump Supporters Interviewed by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYdWXZLpT4#)
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog's Ben Carson Social Experiment • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrRMymkGxQw#)
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Stalks Ted Cruz • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDSIhQ4gC4#)
This one's the fucking best, should probably repost in the libtard thread...
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Talks to Young Voters • Triumph on Hulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j556MWGVVqI#)
trolling ted with the dell dude was amazing. these are pure gold. it's ali g meets stewart.
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So this happened: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/dnc_vice_chair_resigns_endorses_sanders_blasts_clintons_interventionist_regime_change_policies/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/dnc_vice_chair_resigns_endorses_sanders_blasts_clintons_interventionist_regime_change_policies/)
It's not often that you see people in those positions break ranks like that.
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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ#)
#makedonalddrumpfagain
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
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We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
I agree that some form of communism would be much healthier than the system we live in now, but for it to work it has to happen organically and realistically turning peoples mindsets towards that kind of thinking is going to take hundreds of years.
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whomever gets elected makes very little difference because corruption has been institutionalized. the economic elites rule -- it doesn't matter which candidate gets to sit in the oval office. they either do their bidding or their career and life will be ruined. democracy is illusory.
backing the carlin posts.
can't tell if your trolling or if you really believe that mccain would have got the affordable care act passed.
it's not a big picture thing, i'm asserting that obama and trump prove that noam chomsky was wrong. the people can guide what's happening.
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So who else saw John Oliver last night? Genius.
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ#)
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
Sorry, bro. Im a direct by-product of Soviet system (born 1987 in Leningrad), did not really work for us. Then again, nothing did.
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So who else saw John Oliver last night? Genius.
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ#)
damn, he got destroyed
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Trump hasn't won the primary yet. If he wins the primary he basically hands the Dem's another 4 years in office. I don't recall in in my life more than 8 years of a Dem. president consecutively.
Watching this mockery of the political process just shows the world how fast and hard the US is falling from grace.
Bernie is the only one calling out the bullshit. People know it, but they aren't hearing it. If he were to win the white house you could actually have HOPE for change. Unless you continue to vote the same idiots into the senate and congress then it doesn't matter who gets to sit in the hot seat.
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So this happened: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/dnc_vice_chair_resigns_endorses_sanders_blasts_clintons_interventionist_regime_change_policies/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/dnc_vice_chair_resigns_endorses_sanders_blasts_clintons_interventionist_regime_change_policies/)
It's not often that you see people in those positions break ranks like that.
The vice chair... that is big, or it should be. She made a decent point!
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
Sorry, bro. Im a direct by-product of Soviet system (born 1987 in Leningrad), did not really work for us. Then again, nothing did.
Having really read a lot on the matter the Soviet system retracted from socialism in 50s. They implemented capitalist elements just because technology wasnt good enough to organize the production efficiently in a socialist way. It was just a matter of bad timing. Marx refering to his utopia he admitted that the advancement of technology is what will make it possible. Being an electronics engineer with background on computer science, I know that they had to organize the economy with very complex optimization algorithms and because of lack of computers then they did everything by hand. In 50s they just gave up and thought they should compete with the US by doing a mixed system. After 50s USSR was socialism with capitalist elements, while the rest of the world was capitalism with socialist elements. Both failed in my opinion but socialism can definately happen with today's computer science, and pave the way for communism.
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If Trump wins, he should make a reality TV show with Arnold.. Would be a great thing
All this wall building shit is just free advertising, this is his only chance and politicians always go crazy before the election
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
Sorry, bro. Im a direct by-product of Soviet system (born 1987 in Leningrad), did not really work for us. Then again, nothing did.
Very hard to speculate. Would Imperial Russia have done better? I dont know. Did we blow the only chance we had in the 90's? Beats me...One thing is for sure: whoever replaces the cunt Putin will be even worse. So much wasted potential...
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Please vote in the primaries and the general election if you're of age. http://www.rockthevote.com/register-to-vote/?referrer=https://www.google.com/ (http://www.rockthevote.com/register-to-vote/?referrer=https://www.google.com/) (You may have to register as a Republican or Democrat in order to vote in the primaries, check for your state's voter rules. i.e. in NY, you must be registered as a Democrat to vote for either Hillary or Bernie in the primary).
If you're truly undecided, this short quiz (10 minutes to take on average) may help you find the candidate you align most with: http://www.isidewith.com/ (http://www.isidewith.com/)
The fact that Trump or Cruz have made it this far is horrifying.
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Im dont know what to do anymore.
We gotta try this, with today's technology. Abolition of markets and buisiness, self-organised production by the workforce for the workforce.
Sorry, bro. Im a direct by-product of Soviet system (born 1987 in Leningrad), did not really work for us. Then again, nothing did.
I do believe socialism, capitalism and the blah blah blah have all lost their terminology.
Last time I checked. Your social security card, means your a card caring socialist. As you learn in sociology, its about how we live together. Almost every country has social programs, all but few have capitalist programs, many still have dictatorships and there is Cuba and North Korea, which are considered communist which is social enslavement. What are the differences? I live in what America calls a socialist society. We can hunt with guns, but we don't need an AK to do so. We have a better healthcare system and education system than most countries and we get to vote. Just like the US, some things may not be so perfect but we don't have near the issues the US does.
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This is the kind of thing that makes Bernie so great to so many. He would have my vote.
Killer Mike: Bernie Sanders is the Only Candidate for Black Voters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4RFH2Qo1E#)
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
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As a libertarian, your second choice is an unabashed authoritarian?
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Please vote in the primaries and the general election if you're of age. http://www.rockthevote.com/register-to-vote/?referrer=https://www.google.com/ (http://www.rockthevote.com/register-to-vote/?referrer=https://www.google.com/) (You may have to register as a Republican or Democrat in order to vote in the primaries, check for your state's voter rules. i.e. in NY, you must be registered as a Democrat to vote for either Hillary or Bernie in the primary).
If you're truly undecided, this short quiz (10 minutes to take on average) may help you find the candidate you align most with: http://www.isidewith.com/ (http://www.isidewith.com/)
The fact that Trump or Cruz have made it this far is horrifying.
Thanks, I ended up getting 93% for Bernie Sanders. I would prefer not to vote but I rather not have Trump as president.
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
As a libertarian, your first choice is someone actively trying to restrict the rights of women and gays. Someone who is actively trying to make Christianity a driving force in government. Aren't libertarians supposed to be for minimal government?
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
As a libertarian, your first choice is someone actively trying to restrict the rights of women and gays. Someone who is actively trying to make Christianity a driving force in government. Aren't libertarians supposed to be for minimal government?
Only when it suits there needs.
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
As a libertarian, your first choice is someone actively trying to restrict the rights of women and gays. Someone who is actively trying to make Christianity a driving force in government. Aren't libertarians supposed to be for minimal government?
*their
On a side note, it's a shame Ron Paul could never garner the same attention Sanders has. Rand Paul's suspension of his campaign also bummed me out.
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Its scary that Trump is such a bad option that Clinton is a good option
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
Luckily, most people who identify as libertarian are too young to vote.
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Its scary that Trump is such a bad option that Clinton is a good option
yep, but i still think id rather have either of them instead of ted cruz.
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Its scary that Trump is such a bad option that Clinton is a good option
Even scarier that Bernie is such an actually good option, most Americans won't take him seriously.
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Cruz might be more terrifying than Trump. The whole evangelical, Christian Right-wing angle...
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
As a libertarian, your first choice is someone actively trying to restrict the rights of women and gays. Someone who is actively trying to make Christianity a driving force in government. Aren't libertarians supposed to be for minimal government?
What the hell... Privately funded libraries?
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Its scary that Trump is such a bad option that Clinton is a good option
yep, but i still think id rather have either of them instead of ted cruz.
Hmm maybe , but trump is pretty crazy . Whats with the USA and crazy candidates ?
You had that crazy Mormon dude who ran against Obama . You had that crazy woman from Alaska Sara Palin . Bush and Cheney were border line war criminals and pretty crazy both of them . Now Cruz and Trump
Sanders might be the least corrupt / good guy in along while . Clinton might be ok but she has been involved with alot of shady shit and is just another standard president
Obama looked promising and no doubt less shitty then many . But so many broken promises and introducing more laws to restrict " freedom " Not sure how good he was
Who was the last good president that the USA had ? Clinton ? Carter ?
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Who was the last good president that the USA had ?
The Professor Brothers - History Lesson (JFK) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7y2xPucnAo#)
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
I was under the impression the twenty-sixth amendment mandated the voting age not exceed 18. Underage&ban?
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SNL is willing to sacrifice a newborn child for Trump to win.
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Wow I got quite a bit of flak for that last post. Allow me to elaborate, I really don't like ANYONE who is in the running and HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING THE PRIMARY.
My mistake, I was posting from the position of people who actually have a chance. I'm a fan of Rubio, I'm kinda a fan of Kasich, and was a fan of Fiorina. However, if we're being honest, Rubio has no chance of winning the nomination (neither do Kasich or Carson) so I was referring to the four people who this race is truly between as of now (Cruz, Trump, Hillary, Bernie).
To reiterate. I HATE ALL OF THEM. And obviously I don't agree with Trump/Cruz on all of their views, in fact, a lot of them i don't. I can't think of any president with whom my political views align with completely. But if we're talking about the best of the worst, then my last post shows my stance.
And @Tay, I'm pretty sure there's no minimum age for this site
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No one found your last post to be unclear. We know Rubio won't win any states today and that anyone polling behind him obviously doesn't qualify as a "candidate". Among the four, your personal top choices are Cruz and Trump. You can determine whether or not you align with Cruz, because he has been extremely consistent since college. But you cannot say whether or not you agree with Trump on all of his political views, because NO ONE knows what his views are. However, from the most recent incarnation of Trump's political shapeshifting, he is completely anti-liberty. He openly and unapologetically admires dictators.
I have to ask this question that I ask every libertarian; do you deny human-caused climate change?
Edit: welp, I was wrong, Rubio is gonna win Minnesota. Still doesn't make him a contender, obviously, just wanted to acknowledge that I am eating my words.
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How in the fuck do you become a libertarian before you are eligible to vote? I thought they all got converted at college (because they had no friends/girl)
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No one found your last post to be unclear. We know Rubio won't win any states today and that anyone polling behind him obviously doesn't qualify as a "candidate". Among the four, your personal top choices are Cruz and Trump. You can determine whether or not you align with Cruz, because he has been extremely consistent since college. But you cannot say whether or not you agree with Trump on all of his political views, because NO ONE knows what his views are. However, from the most recent incarnation of Trump's political shapeshifting, he is completely anti-liberty. He openly and unapologetically admires dictators.
I have to ask this question that I ask every libertarian; do you deny human-caused climate change?
This is a weird question to answer, because so much of the evidence is politicized. But I'd say that with the majority of the evidence I read, human-caused climate change is real. And even if I were to think that it was a myth, putting unnecessary chemicals into the air can't be good for the environment, so I would still advocate for being better to the earth. I hope that answer suffices.
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I ask that question because most self-described libertarians claim that their political view points are predicated on the belief that government lacks efficacy. Yet, from what I have found, most also believe in the government's ability to orchestrate an enormous conspiracy, in collaboration with scientists of countries all over the world, some of which are not even allies. No libertarian has ever been able to reconcile this willfully inconsistent view of governmental agency. Anyway, I'm glad you're not a complete idiot yet.
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I ask that question because most self-described libertarians claim that their political view points are predicated on the belief that government lacks efficacy. Yet, from what I have found, most also believe in the government's ability to orchestrate an enormous conspiracy, in collaboration with scientists of countries all over the world, some of which are not even allies. No libertarian has ever been able to reconcile this willfully inconsistent view of governmental agency. Anyway, I'm glad you're not a complete idiot yet.
Lmaoooo I know exactly what you mean. "Bush did 9/11" Okay, how can you talk about how incompetent of a president he was, yet be able to execute such an elaborate attack? (Not calling Bush a good president, just using an example).
I am not totally trusting of our government, but I usually don't believe in conspiracies.
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SNL is willing to sacrifice a newborn child for Trump to win.
Unless they bring Darrell Hammond back, they don't really have a good Trump.
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Trump is trolling the shit out of existence right now, like he shouldn't have made it this far. Insanity.
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Trump is trolling the shit out of existence right now, like he shouldn't have made it this far. Insanity.
it would be crazy if it was just a prank or a social experiment . Like the day he gets elected or the last day he just goes
" You fucking idiots , I did this as a prank to show what a joke the elections is . Sucks to be you ! "
Puts on sunglasses and flies away in a helicopter
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
As a libertarian, your first choice is someone actively trying to restrict the rights of women and gays. Someone who is actively trying to make Christianity a driving force in government. Aren't libertarians supposed to be for minimal government?
What the hell... Privately funded libraries?
I was super sick yesterday and thought the dude was a librarian...
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As a libertarian (who's still too young to vote lol) I hate all the candidates
Cruz is wacky
Trump is a belligerent statist
Bernie is a socialist
Hillary is a lying bitch, who should be in prison.
HOWEVER, if I had to vote, or at least put it into perspective. Cruz > Trump, Trump > Bernie, Bernie > Hillary
If I were to vote in the primaries, I'd vote for Cruz. If Trump wins the primaries, I'm voting for Trump.
You should be ashamed of yourself. An outspoken racist/bigot with absolutely ridiculous plans and no political experience is better than a socialist and a moderate democrat both with > 20 years of experience and both with a very good understanding of the political system? Are you kidding me? You can call Bernie's plans ambitious because they are, but they're much more thought out and feasible than "make Mexico pay for the wall."
Good thing you're not allowed to vote though. Trump is a piece of shit
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Only in America would Bernie be called a 'socialist'..
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this shit fills me with rage.
clinton is obviously a reptilian shapeshifter
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i know man. if you don't like Americas foreign policy now than wait til Hilary gets in. i smell war. She will be poking at Russia every chance she gets. The middle east will be in its worst state yet. she gives me goosebumps.
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I got flack for asking this at the company lunch last week, but I still wonder... Do I vote if I believe both parties to be awful choices?
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IF YOU DON'T VOTE AND DONALD TRUMP GETS ELECTED I"M GOING TO LOSE MY MIND.
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i know man. if you don't like Americas foreign policy now than wait til Hilary gets in. i smell war. She will be poking at Russia every chance she gets. The middle east will be in its worst state yet. she gives me goosebumps.
Based on what? Clinton year were only ones with no war in a really long time
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I got flack for asking this at the company lunch last week, but I still wonder... Do I vote if I believe both parties to be awful choices?
There are third party options. Personally might go with Jill Stein, John Fitzgerald Johnson, or Gary Johnson, going to inform myself as much as I can before picking one of these three of course, and I consider them a plan b in case Clinton gets the Dem. nomination. Most people are so quick to go for the lesser of two evils, but the third parties are so wide and diverse, especially early on a shame not many give themselves the time to know this.
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These elections in the States, they just keep getting crazier and crazier. You know what's crazy to me? I feel like at first Trump, being that all you really need to run for president in the States is financial backing, just said fuck it and at first was maybe trolling. At this point I don't think he's necessarily serious but has realized that all this, "you're fired!" and "get them out of here!" is what the real America wants. Everything in between the coasts are just isolated people who have been mind warped by political agendas. Donald Trump probably didn't at first disavow the KKK endorsement because he realized that if he let's all those assholes vote for him he "really" could be president. For him I imagine it's nothing more than building his brand and stroking his ego....but holy shit, what if he still had all those things and then WAS president? That would be the new "American Dream". Is that not fucking nuts? Is that not what's so scary? It's not that Donald Trump is that crazy, it's that most of America is that crazy. That so many fucking people here really would vote for Trump to be commander in chief of their country.
I think Bernie is perhaps seen as weak among his peers, someone who would break down in a room alone with Vladmir Putin pushing down on him. I'd hope that whether or not he got anything done in office he'd show that someone can at least say, "fuck you, this isn't right" to congress. Hilary would stand her ground but strike up some seedy side deal to her own benefit. She may have the "experience" but it doesn't matter if you're not going to use it and better the people you're meant to be serving.
Now, at this point, I'd say it's surely Hilary or Bernie who will win. It's like one side of the coin is the clown's trying to figure out who's going to run the circus and the other is who's going to decide who runs the country. Seriously though, how stupid is it that there's only two sides to this coin? So many people in this country are blood and bred to vote for whichever party they're raised in be it the devil on their side vs god himself.
It just doesn't even make sense to me anymore. Casting my vote is like buying a ticket hoping to win the powerball but I'll do it and hope for the best.
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i know man. if you don't like Americas foreign policy now than wait til Hilary gets in. i smell war. She will be poking at Russia every chance she gets. The middle east will be in its worst state yet. she gives me goosebumps.
Based on what? Clinton year were only ones with no war in a really long time
Somalia and The Balkans.
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i know man. if you don't like Americas foreign policy now than wait til Hilary gets in. i smell war. She will be poking at Russia every chance she gets. The middle east will be in its worst state yet. she gives me goosebumps.
Based on what? Clinton year were only ones with no war in a really long time
Well, for one, Hillary Clinton praises Henry Kissinger as her biggest mentor on foreign policy. If you're aware of who he is then just think about that for a second...
Let's consider some of Kissinger's achievements during his tenure as Richard Nixons top foreign policymaker. He (1) prolonged the Vietnam War for five pointless years; (2) illegally bombed Cambodia and Laos; (3) goaded Nixon to wiretap staffers and journalists; (4) bore responsibility for three genocides in Cambodia, East Timor, and Bangladesh; (5) urged Nixon to go after Daniel Ellsberg for having released the Pentagon Papers, which set off a chain of events that brought down the Nixon White House; (6) pumped up Pakistan's ISI, and encouraged it to use political Islam to destabilize Afghanistan; (7) began the US's arms-for-petrodollars dependency with Saudi Arabia and pre-revolutionary Iran 8 accelerated needless civil wars in southern Africa that, in the name of supporting white supremacy, left millions dead; (9) supported coups and death squads throughout Latin America; and (10) ingratiated himself with the first-generation neocons, such as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, who would take American militarism to its next calamitous level.
"It is an act of insanity and national humiliation to have a law prohibiting the President from ordering assassination." (Statement at a National Security Council meeting, 1975) - Kissinger
"The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern." - Kissinger on Soviet Jews
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All I was saying was that Billo had both of those conflicts on his record, Carter was the real peacenik.
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It's not that Donald Trump is that crazy, it's that most of America is that crazy. That so many fucking people here really would vote for Trump to be commander in chief of their country.
This is what truly frightens me and why after 13 years I am more resolute than ever to remain overseas.
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alright so basically at this point anything over a paragraph having to do with politics is TL;DR for me
bottom line is
they're all complete idiots and america will be the butt of every other country's joke for the next 4 years (minimum)
wait for the 10-minute highlight reel 2 weeks before the election and that's when i'll put in the effort to see who to vote for
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alright so basically at this point anything over a paragraph having to do with politics is TL;DR for me
bottom line is
they're all complete idiots and america will be the butt of every other country's joke for the next 4 years (minimum)
wait for the 10-minute highlight reel 2 weeks before the election and that's when i'll put in the effort to see who to vote for
I'm very tired of politics already as well. It's exhausting, but acting like this is one of the reasons that Trump may win. That isn't a good thing; no Republican candidate believes in man-made climate change, and because of that any effort for clean or renewable energy will be postponed under a Republican president & Congress. Even if you don't believe in man-made climate change, you have to know that we're fucking up the environment in many other ways i.e. oil spills. Voting in the primary is so important this time around, if only to make sure it's a vote against backwards-ass thinking.
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Has anybody else seen the movie Idiocracy?
Assuming Trump doesn't get the nomination, I'm definitely going to vote Republican this time around. I really think Dodd-Frank went too far: It blocks the implementation of the Basel III framework and imposes regulatory burdens and compliance costs on entire industries - such as asset management - which had nothing to do with the 2008 financial crisis.
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It's not very likely that any political decisions would immediately make a dramatic change to my everyday life, so it's easier to not pay attention and just make best of what the situation is right now. But luckily most people don't think that way so, otherwise the future generations would be fucked
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Has anybody else seen the movie Idiocracy?
Assuming Trump doesn't get the nomination, I'm definitely going to vote Republican this time around. I really think Dodd-Frank went too far: It blocks the implementation of the Basel III framework and imposes regulatory burdens and compliance costs on entire industries - such as asset management - which had nothing to do with the 2008 financial crisis.
Yea! Because over regulated industry is way more important than human rights!
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^ What about the right of a human to not have to submit a form PF to iard.com if that human is an adviser to a private fund with $150 million or more in RAUM?
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Has anybody else seen the movie Idiocracy?
Assuming Trump doesn't get the nomination, I'm definitely going to vote Republican this time around. I really think Dodd-Frank went too far: It blocks the implementation of the Basel III framework and imposes regulatory burdens and compliance costs on entire industries - such as asset management - which had nothing to do with the 2008 financial crisis.
Yea! Because over regulated industry is way more important than human rights!
What I learned from Idiocracy:
1) Mike Judge is a hero.
2) Sex amongst nerds should be regulated by the government.
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^ What about the right of a human to not have to submit a form PF to iard.com if that human is an adviser to a private fund with $150 million or more in RAUM?
I'm out of my depth here because I don't know what RAUM is other than a quick Google search and I have the smallest of knowledge of the rest. However, I'm of the feeling that basic human rights like health insurance for ~ 30 million Americans, easier access to voting for disenfranchised citizens, the right to an abortion, and equal pay comes way before what you're suggesting, among other things.
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^ What about the right of a human to not have to submit a form PF to iard.com if that human is an adviser to a private fund with $150 million or more in RAUM?
Oh yea, totally the same...
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Look, I can't imagine anybody on here agreeing with me on this, but I don't think the compliance costs the came from Dodd-Frank are worth it. I'm not trying to argue absolute "rights", but rather the fact that industries shouldn't be regulated unless it is absolutely necessary to do so.
Specifically, hedge funds with $150 million in Regulatory Assets Under Management (assets * leverage ratio) are required to file a form PF. Hedge funds with $1.5 billion have to filed a form PF quarterly. This is in addition to submitting an ADV form to the SEC. The purpose of the form PF is to let the FSOC see the composition of assets in the funds to designate them for additional risk monitoring. Although the SEC estimated the compliance time of these forms at around 50 hours, several firms I've spoken to have said their compliance times are north of 70 hours.
Also, Europe had adopted Annex IV for private funds, which asks many of the same questions as Form PF. However Annex IV used a different methodology for calculating leverage. This means that hedge funds with offices on either side of the Atlantic will have to take their data imputed into one form and recompute it to adjust for the leverage difference, instead of simply copying it, for the thousands of questions asked.
Proponents of designating hedge funds as a SIFI are quick to point out to the collapse of LTCM and act like that's the norm, and not the exception. However what they fail to realize is that industry has changed a lot since the 90s. For one thing unconstrained convergence trading is no longer used as much as many quant funds have discretionary overlay in the form of mandates to the traders that they unwind their positions if there isn't a certain payoff in a specific time frame. Secondly, with the institutionalization of the hedge fund industry, many allocators are either going through consultants or going through a fund-of-funds or a managed account platform. This means that greater constraints are being placed on the managers by the investors.
As proof of this, over 1000 hedge funds failed in 2008-2009, and not a single one needed to be bailed out. If anything hedge funds can actually exert a stabilizing effect on the economy. This is because they tend to be actively managed strategies, which have significant cash holdings and short positions. As a result, they counteract the market cycle by outperforming during down periods and lagging behind in bull markets:
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If a hedge fund fails, only institutional investors (those with assets of at least $1 million and incomes of at least $250,000) are affected, not retail investors. This legal structure is the whole reason why hedge funds are supposed to be lightly regulated.
And really, what did they have to do with the financial crisis of 2008? Hedge funds aren't in the business of home loans or securitization, they develop trading strategies on existing securities.
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They may not have caused the financial crisis, but they sure as fuck profited from it. I fee no pity for those greedy fucks.
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If hedge funds are the deciding factor for you, then why not Trump? Surely he hasn't voiced his unequivocal opinion on it. He hasn't done so on anything really.
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TheFifthColumn, you may have very good points about the current regulatory schemes around hedge funds (none of us would really know this as most of what you say is incomprehensible to the average person). The point is, you're allowing your personal voting behaviour to be determined by one very narrow issue that affects you on a personal/financial level. Never mind the fact that a vote for the Republican party is generally also a vote for regressive, illiberal social policies, religious chauvinism and belligerent militarism - as long as they don't make me fill out an extra form, I'm good.
While you are perfectly within your rights to do this as an American citizen, I hope you can see that to most people, this comes off as selfish, out of touch, and frankly, a little gross.
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I understand this is some what arcane, but I noticed that no one is addressing my points I brought up in the previous post.
Instead of an actual counter-argument about how hedge funds are risky, and do deserve the regulation imposed by Dodd-Frank, all I hear is flack about Republicans/Hedge Funds/greed, ect.
So unless anybody has something of substance to say about the existing and proposed regulations, I'm done here.
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.While you are perfectly within your rights to do this as an American citizen, I hope you can see that to most people, this comes off as selfish, out of touch, and frankly, a little gross.
Save me some typing
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To stay with the skate analogy: voting unironically for (almost?) any Republican is, to me, akin to preferring Andy Mac's style over JB's. I just will never get that. Now I'm euro and I don't pretend to understand, it just baffles me that so many still run with that gang of trolls. Not to say Democrats are all sincere, but Republicans don't need to even feign it anymore. Trump once and for all proves this, and therein lies his only merit.
Not only is Trump not a great businessman, he objectively fucking sucks at his job. He would have more money now if he had kept his inheritance in the bank. Not even joking. How someone gets away with passing off such momentous lies, beats me. But he is perfectly qualified to be president nonetheless. Think about it: Bush was a C student throughout his Ivy League years, went AWOL while serving, mostly snorted coke and partied through his twenties, held only a few inconsequential positions and then turned forty, soon after which by golly he was handed command over the free world. Pure lunacy.
I understand voting for one cause. Many vote like that, perhaps most. But unless it's a fundamental issue concerning human rights, it is really quite infantile to do so. Remember proposition 8? I was there for that. Grown people protested for and against. If you are in the pro-camp, you vote selflessly (well at least insofar as you consider altruism a possibility, obviously). When you are against, you vote the way an angry, scared child likely would. This is not directed at you FifthColumn, just venting at this point.
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That's a blog I found recently
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/
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That's a blog I found recently
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/
who the hell has time to read that, let alone write all of that
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Did you guys see the debate last night when Donald alluded on national television,(and in a presidential debate) that he had a big dick?
https://youtu.be/nALb4lEbSbA
Oh, and Ted Cruz ate a booger too.
https://youtu.be/8CgcGQYWns4
Lol
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Did you guys see the debate last night when Donald alluded on national television,(and in a presidential debate) that he had a big dick?
https://youtu.be/nALb4lEbSbA
Oh, and Ted Cruz ate a booger too.
https://youtu.be/8CgcGQYWns4
Lol
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whenever this is bragged about it 100% means that the big dick is commanded by a very limited brain.
fuck trump, the guy is a bad joke to the whole humanity.
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The whole thing is a mess.
I really wish Ron Paul was voted in years back.
Kinda feel that was your last chance
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The whole thing is a mess.
I really wish Ron Paul was voted in years back.
Kinda feel that was your last chance
Rand will hopefully run again in the near future, only to be blocked out by everybody
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The whole thing is a mess.
I really wish Ron Paul was voted in years back.
Kinda feel that was your last chance
Rand unfortunately strayed from some of his father's core ideas (mostly foreign policy) to try to get the tea party vote and it backfired on him. I don't think he can recover.
It's unfortunate how ahead of his time Ron Paul was. If he was about 15 years younger and doing his campaign similarly it would be the more libertarian response to bernie and would likely be doing quite well.
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it's crazy how much this party has changed. regan and bush making these fools look like amatures when talking about immigration in 1980s debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixi9_cciy8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixi9_cciy8w)
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The whole thing is a mess.
I really wish Ron Paul was voted in years back.
Kinda feel that was your last chance
Rand unfortunately strayed from some of his father's core ideas (mostly foreign policy) to try to get the tea party vote and it backfired on him. I don't think he can recover.
It's unfortunate how ahead of his time Ron Paul was. If he was about 15 years younger and doing his campaign similarly it would be the more libertarian response to bernie and would likely be doing quite well.
Yeah Rand isnt half the man his father is.
I honestly think he would have been one of the best presidents, if not the best president ever.
Very intelligent man
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The whole thing is a mess.
I really wish Ron Paul was voted in years back.
Kinda feel that was your last chance
Rand unfortunately strayed from some of his father's core ideas (mostly foreign policy) to try to get the tea party vote and it backfired on him. I don't think he can recover.
It's unfortunate how ahead of his time Ron Paul was. If he was about 15 years younger and doing his campaign similarly it would be the more libertarian response to bernie and would likely be doing quite well.
Yeah Rand isnt half the man his father is.
I honestly think he would have been one of the best presidents, if not the best president ever.
Very intelligent man
Well, biologically speaking, he should be.
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i cant believe i would ever say this, but there are too many trump-dick-pics on this page.
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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ#)
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i cant believe i would ever say this, but there are too many trump-dick-pics on this page.
I'd actually like one rendition of that drawing with trump actually sucking his own dick.
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Trump supporters have weird daddy issues?
"Trump isn't popular because of his policies or his record in politics. He's popular because he reminds us of Dad after 'kids day.' ... We need a patriarch to rein it in."
http://takimag.com/article/rescuing_america_from_itself_gavin_mcinnes (http://takimag.com/article/rescuing_america_from_itself_gavin_mcinnes)
"In such a case, this daughter might well be more tempted to date this bad boy, just to bother her parents. Today a big chunk of the U.S. electorate feels neglected by a political establishment that they don't especially respect, and is tempted to favor political bad boy Donald Trump."
https://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/03/cant-stop-lecturing.html (https://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/03/cant-stop-lecturing.html)
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Would Donald Trump Fans Support Hitler? (SOCIAL EXPERIMENT) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzhQWcc7h4#)
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Would Donald Trump Fans Support Hitler? (SOCIAL EXPERIMENT) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzhQWcc7h4#)
Howard Stern show did a very similar segment back in 08 in Harlem asking Obama supporters ridiculous questions like,"what do you think of Paul Ryan for his running mate?" 9 out of 10 answered ,"oh yeah he's great" Pretty old shtick. Basically proves most people don't really think when put on the spot. You should pull some of those up...and no I don't support Trump lol!
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I'm familiar with the shtick. Most are not at blatant as promoting sterilization though. Also, the admission that even with the revelation that they are Hitler quotes, the one guy would back them if the same words came from Trump...
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I'm familiar with the shtick. Most are not at blatant as promoting sterilization though. Also, the admission that even with the revelation that they are Hitler quotes, the one guy would back them if the same words came from Trump...
Yeah well a major proportion of people are fucking morons, so nothing new in that.
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I'm familiar with the shtick. Most are not at blatant as promoting sterilization though. Also, the admission that even with the revelation that they are Hitler quotes, the one guy would back them if the same words came from Trump...
Yeah well a major proportion of people are fucking morons, so nothing new in that.
You should see the shit that kook alex jones gets for answers on the streets.
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I'm familiar with the shtick. Most are not at blatant as promoting sterilization though. Also, the admission that even with the revelation that they are Hitler quotes, the one guy would back them if the same words came from Trump...
Yeah well a major proportion of people are fucking morons, so nothing new in that.
I don't know man...sometimes when I'm stuck in traffic the thought of sterilization seems pretty legit...LMFAO! ;)
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That's a blog I found recently
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/
who the hell has time to read that, let alone write all of that
Someone who is not illiterate?
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That's a blog I found recently
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/
who the hell has time to read that, let alone write all of that
Someone who is not illiterate?
Or somebody who does not want to scroll every third second. The guy uses 26% of available space, waste of Internet. Not so smart now...
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https://cthulhuforamerica.com/
finally a worthy candidate emerges
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There was a damn near riot in Chicago yesterday at a trump rally.
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this made me laugh
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^ as did this, wait...
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/charles-barkley-politics-republicans-democrats (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/charles-barkley-politics-republicans-democrats)
“All politics is rich people screwing poor people. Poor people are too stupid to know they’re just chess pieces in a game. All the poor white people, all the poor black people, all the Hispanics, they’re in the same boat. They’ve got no economic opportunities. They spend all their time blaming each other because rich people throw words at them like illegal immigration and racism and things like that. If poor people ever get smart, and realize: ‘We should band together, rise up, instead of fighting each other,’ we probably can make a difference.
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Yah poor people (real authentic generational) are loud, ignorant and flaunt that shit. Not an encouraging atmoshere for ^that convo. (not saying that mid class or rich are better as people cause that wouldn't be true)
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Somewhere, vladimir putin has a huge smile on his face
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Yah poor people (real authentic generational) are loud, ignorant and flaunt that shit. Not an encouraging atmoshere for ^that convo. (not saying that mid class or rich are better as people cause that wouldn't be true)
What the fuck are you talking about?
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live from my blurry Hilary feed at work:
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Level 60 dwarf guy: 1st of all you sound jaded at me(?) Chill. In my post I put one of these^ in there. That means I was responding to the post above mine. If you read the post above mine and then mine it might make sense to you, if you want to go to the bother.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=aulNhIvSIxs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aulNhIvSIxs#)
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it's official: i hate this bitch
Hillary Clinton forgets where Bernie Sanders Was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E69gbT4jbSI#)
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Aubrey Plaza is such a babe
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https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/saving-capitalism-from-donald-trump-and-the-extreme-left/
Mainstream economists are in a different dimension...
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Just something to remember when you go to vote.
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^^ bernie really isn't up against trump, but hillary ... and she rides a scooter
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Trump fuckin Cruz's wife confirmed!
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Haha did you hear Cruz's response to that, he stole a quote from some movie from 1995, seriously word for word from the american president.
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What a pathetic shitshow.
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^^ bernie really isn't up against trump, but hillary ... and she rides a scooter
So then that would probably make Trump the kid who shows up and does nothing but scream at his skateboard when he fails at tricks he clearly couldn't do and breaks a bottle everywhere before leaving.
when i read the first comment, i thought he was referring to one of these when he said scooter.
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One of my Facebook friends posted this https://www.facebook.com/1647033725520528/videos/1693823974174836/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/1647033725520528/videos/1693823974174836/?pnref=story)[/url] and was met with likes and applauding comments... Makes me so disappointed.
Motherfucking Ted Cruz tricking people who never learned the carbon cycle into believing this bullshit. His argument doesn't make sense, but the Wilks brothers giving him $15 million sure does.
I know it would never work, but I wish there was some way we could make it illegal to run for office with anti-science policies. Republicans are gonna kill the Earth
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You guys hear about Ted Cruz's sex scandal yet? Apparently he boned like 5 chicks, 3 of them are in the political arena and involved in this year's election cycle I believe, this is sure to drown El Rato.
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o shit. ted cruz 'bout to get a faceful of trump's nuts.
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You guys hear about Ted Cruz's sex scandal yet? Apparently he boned like 5 chicks, 3 of them are in the political arena and involved in this year's election cycle I believe, this is sure to drown El Rato.
dude is beyond ugly. had to be rape. ::)
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(https://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/kissing-ted-cruz.jpg?w=500&h=708)
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Another fun one from John Oliver
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI)
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"I'm voting for Cruise.....Tom Cruise. He went from jumping on a couch to jumping into my heart."
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The sex scandal was leaked from the Ted Cruz camp. Think about it, the very biggest thing Ted Cruz lacked with the public was a 'human element'. This will turn the tide for him, I garantee it. Its 'Ted Cruz fucks' now.
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warning: a lot of youtube videos in this post
check out a brief history of the master chameleon's voice-shifting tricks over the years
Hillary Clinton's accent evolution (1983–2015) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCyvyyo6dtQ#)
I was wondering when celebrities were going to pick a side between Bernie and Hillary, but this is disgusting. Hillary Clinton and George Clooney are throwing a fancy fundraiser gala. Tickets to that even cost over $350,000:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-hillary-clintons-353400-a-ticket-fundraiser-is-part-of-a-corrupt-obscene-system-a6956341.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-hillary-clintons-353400-a-ticket-fundraiser-is-part-of-a-corrupt-obscene-system-a6956341.html)
on the other hand, it's good to see there are many Hollywood actors who are willing to stand-up for Bernie
Susan Sarandon Talks Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton (Extended Interview) | All In | MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5T7Xlyaieo#)
Rosario Dawson Introduces Bernie Sanders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJoQhwMk_LI#)
Sanders' record on civil rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk4y4H2VgOw&ebc=ANyPxKqSTIesaFP7LEgxcttSMknclkpMsjtDaT4uroLTtj9ZVTpcSyFQTZfEAjbNKRm80FexmFvPp4J4isaD-h53VqjtsV-Szw#)
Mark Ruffalo: Bernie Sanders Wants A Revolution Of Spirit And Priorities | MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCVX0iZGoAQ#)
BERNIE SANDERS IS THE ONE FOR ME: Sarah Silverman Explains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dh78x0Pr1s#)
Danny Devito Is 'Feeling The Bern' | MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZdfcIRYAE8#)
Killer Mike: Bernie Sanders is the Only Candidate for Black Voters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4RFH2Qo1E#)
that second clip (of Rosario Dawson) took place at a Bernie rally in San Diego from last Tuesday (3-22). my gf and i attended that rally. we waited over 5 hours in line to get in and we actually made it through. i've honestly have never experienced anything like that. over 10,000 people showed up and waited all afternoon for a chance to get in.
the energy was so enthusiastic and uplifting. there were literally people of all ages, races, classes, etc. it was incredible to witness the unity and passion in the room, especially for those who've felt like the political process is not for them.
(some pictures from the event. the first 2 were taken by my gf)
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if you're not sure on a candidate yet, please do your research and get involved. we are witnessing a great change during this election season. people on both sides (liberals & conservatives) are tired of the establishment and the same old shit. we have an opportunity to make a difference this time around.
this is just a brief compilation of Bernie over the last 30 years. he's been fighting the good fight his entire political career.
30 Years of Speeches by #BernieSanders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs#)
do your homework and just go vote this year.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
Truth
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Speaking of Bernie rallies, he did one here in Lincoln, NE. They couldn't fit most of the people that showed up into the venue. Bernie proceeded to hold a rally outside for those who couldn't get in, then went inside for your regularly scheduled program.
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it's true bernie has be extremely dedicated to good causes and actively presuing them for a long time but what has he actually gotten done? i think he's too far left to get anything really done. the good thing about him and trump though is that they are helping bring in ideas that other people are afraid to and they are helping steer the conversation and policies. obama is way less liberal than bernie and i'd argue still got a lot of his ideas off the ground but he still couldn't get everything done and what did get done got watered down. there's no way that bernies policies would make it.
he'll be a great vp though...
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the good thing about him and trump
There is nothing good about Drumpf, other than the destruction/implosion of the republican party.
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Calling out bush and republicans on Iraq war seems good to me. Making the Republican Party implode by talking honestly about their policies is good. Calling out policing the world as an impractical and bad idea is good. Suggesting that Saudi, Iraq and others should pay for the military protection we offer is good. Don't let the hair and asshole personality fool you, guys surfacing some good ideas just like sanders.
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the good thing about him and trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-abortion-women-punishment_us_56fc2a99e4b083f5c606880d (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-abortion-women-punishment_us_56fc2a99e4b083f5c606880d)
Forward to the past...
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This is sad, but I don't want any of these people to be our president. Bernie lives in a fantasy world to me, and has no plan on how he can accomplish half the shit he says he wants to do, while I do think he believes in good causes. Hilary is a lying sack of shit that will say anything to get people on her side. Trump is an egotistical, misogynistic maniac who will drive our country into the ground and/or cause countries to bomb us within 1 month of taking office. Cruz is just annoying as hell and lies a ton too, not to mention has fucking annoying religious views that will make Christians be the only people that matter in this country again. Marco Rubio has no chance, Kasich seems like a good dude, even though I identify heavily as a democrat. But he doesn't stand a chance and he is not presidential material at all. Seems weak af.
I just can't imagine any of these people being the face of our nation. There's always been someone I was really into in the past. One or two.
It's really frustrating. All the brilliant people who live in this country, and these are the clowns that bubbled up somehow to run for president.
Oh well.
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This is sad, but I don't want any of these people to be our president. Bernie lives in a fantasy world to me, and has no plan on how he can accomplish half the shit he says he wants to do, while I do think he believes in good causes. Hilary is a lying sack of shit that will say anything to get people on her side. Trump is an egotistical, misogynistic maniac who will drive our country into the ground and/or cause countries to bomb us within 1 month of taking office. Cruz is just annoying as hell and lies a ton too, not to mention has fucking annoying religious views that will make Christians be the only people that matter in this country again. Marco Rubio has no chance, Kasich seems like a good dude, even though I identify heavily as a democrat. But he doesn't stand a chance and he is not presidential material at all. Seems weak af.
I just can't imagine any of these people being the face of our nation. There's always been someone I was really into in the past. One or two.
It's really frustrating. All the brilliant people who live in this country, and these are the clowns that bubbled up somehow to run for president.
Oh well.
I agree that Sanders will probably have a hard time transforming his ideas into policy. But wouldn't you say this is the failure of American politics, rather than his? The Overton Window in American politics is just regular. It's unbelievably wide in some places (Trump, who only benefits from boasting about antisocial ideas), frustratingly narrow in others (Sanders, who always has to apologize for suggesting social ideas for a society). It's not like his solutions aren't commonplace in most of the civilized world.
Calling out bush and republicans on Iraq war seems good to me. Making the Republican Party implode by talking honestly about their policies is good. Calling out policing the world as an impractical and bad idea is good. Suggesting that Saudi, Iraq and others should pay for the military protection we offer is good. Don't let the hair and asshole personality fool you, guys surfacing some good ideas just like sanders.
It's pure expediency on his part though. Like the hair, his principles are disingenuous. Also, those sheiks pay dearly for that protection already.
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I repeat...voting doesn't matter. Politicians do not care about you, even if their rehearsed speeches say otherwise. This entire country...the world as a whole is upheld by nothing but corruption and lies. Throw religion in there and boy things are looking fantastic for our future. The future is in fact, fucked. Go out and skate, enjoy your time before the shit show really hits the fan. Also, please stop having children. That is all.
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You sound very informed as well as enlightened. I look forward to your inevitable descent into conspiracy theories and Alex Jones worship. With enough hard work, you'll soon be able to pepper your well thought out arguments with words like "puppet", and "false flag".
Are you one of those people who thinks the world is going to end in our lifetime?
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You sound very informed as well as enlightened. I look forward to your inevitable descent into conspiracy theories and Alex Jones worship. With enough hard work, you'll soon be able to pepper your well thought out arguments with words like "puppet", and "false flag".
Are you one of those people who thinks the world is going to end in our lifetime?
Haha, I predicted someone would come along and accuse me of following Alex Jones. No thanks, I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories. I have no idea when humans will wipe each other out completely, or when the next incurable super virus will come along and depopulate, but I think it's safe to say the earth will be here to heal itself after we die off.
If you're from The States and believe that we need government authority and terrorist organizations like the FBI and CIA to keep us safe at night, you're in for a rude awakening.
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Damn sounds like it sucks to be you. I'm over here enjoying this great economy, cheap gas and healthcare and looking forward to Clinton 2.0, the sanders edition.
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devil's advocate: are you guys saying our votes matter, despite the electoral college and citizen's united? are you guys saying politicians do it for the public, not because of their payouts? are you guys saying corruption and lies aren't rampant in the world? are you guys saying religion is a positive force despite the rampant discrimination and incalculable numbers of deaths, historically? are you guys saying the future is looking bright? are you guys saying you shouldn't enjoy yourselves while you're alive? are you guys saying we should continue to increase the population in an already overpopulated world? are you guys saying....that is all.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone knows that politicians are spineless and self-interested but that doesn't mean your vote has zero influence on the political process. The reason candidates take all that money in the first place is to pay campaign managers and marketers to get people like you to vote for them. Political change is always possible, but not if everyone just throws in the towel and reverts to easy nihlism and materialism.
If you're from The States and believe that we need government authority and terrorist organizations like the FBI and CIA to keep us safe at night, you're in for a rude awakening.
You should try going to a place that doesn't suffer the oppressive burden of government authority and see how safe it actually is...
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God forbid I challenge the status quo, it makes me a conspiracy theorist or nihilist according to many. My point is voting is always choosing the lesser of two evils, you're still choosing evil at the end of the day. Anarchism is really the only thing that will ever work. Please google misconceptions of Anarchism before you reply with an emotionally driven immature response. Thanks.
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God forbid I challenge the status quo, it makes me a conspiracy theorist or nihilist according to many. My point is voting is always choosing the lesser of two evils, you're still choosing evil at the end of the day. Anarchism is really the only thing that will ever work. Please google misconceptions of Anarchism before you reply with an emotionally driven immature response. Thanks.
Nothing will ever ''work''. And that's not something you should be depressed about.
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Damn sounds like it sucks to be you. I'm over here enjoying this great economy, cheap gas and healthcare and looking forward to Clinton 2.0, the sanders edition.
Granted that you are a professional programmer you have the misconseption that economy is great. No its not great, the economy is not only for the tech literate. Also an economy that does not rely heavily on industry/manufacturing is a failed one that floats on bubbles and that software engineering fad is a bubble too. The US and Europe have undermined their economies with all that outsourcing and I think they are in panic now because they realised what they have done. Mark my words, new global recession by the end of 2017, will uncover these.
God forbid I challenge the status quo, it makes me a conspiracy theorist or nihilist according to many. My point is voting is always choosing the lesser of two evils, you're still choosing evil at the end of the day. Anarchism is really the only thing that will ever work. Please google misconceptions of Anarchism before you reply with an emotionally driven immature response. Thanks.
Anarchism works when you are an angry teenager and dont know shit. Anarchists except Kropotkin maybe are just nonsense noise of clueless angry teenagers.
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disagree with main's solution, but he has a healthy level of skepticism. rather humorous that only a half of one of my questions was addressed, and it was met with rage and dismissive assumption.
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Anarchism is not synonymous with Anarchy. This is probably the most common misconception about anarchism.
Anarchy is a system in which there's no government whatsoever. There are no rules or laws to adhere to. There's no authority to answer to and no accountability. It is quite frankly, a chaotic and outdated, not to mention non-feasible idea.
Anarchism is a totally different concept.
Anarchism is the rejection of certain rules that have been enforced by society. It doesn't venture into the extreme like Anarchy. It is the advocating of a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups. Such a system isn't devoid of any supervision. It is quite simply a belief which states that all forms of governmental authority are unnecessary and undesirable as they do more harm than good.
Nothing will ever work perfectly, but Anarchism is the closest we will get to harmony. We just need to wipe religious extremists off the earth and start taking care of each other on a needs basis.
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Anarchism is not synonymous with Anarchy. This is probably the most common misconception about anarchism.
Anarchy is a system in which there's no government whatsoever. There are no rules or laws to adhere to. There's no authority to answer to and no accountability. It is quite frankly, a chaotic and outdated, not to mention non-feasible idea.
Anarchism is a totally different concept.
Anarchism is the rejection of certain rules that have been enforced by society. It doesn't venture into the extreme like Anarchy. It is the advocating of a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups. Such a system isn't devoid of any supervision. It is quite simply a belief which states that all forms of governmental authority are unnecessary and undesirable as they do more harm than good.
Nothing will ever work perfectly, but Anarchism is the closest we will get to harmony. We just need to wipe religious extremists off the earth and start taking care of each other on a needs basis.
I ve read at least one book from any prominent anarchist (Bakunin, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Proudhon and more I cant rember). I know what anarchist godfathers preached and I find it immature, anti-scientific and naive. Forms of government are necessary even in post-revolution because you have to oppress the rich who want to take back their position in society. I find it stupid that Anarchy is something that is considered independently from communism (The only anarchist that addressed this is kropotkin). Communists are long-term anarchists, they argue that they have to preserve a totalitarian socialist-state of workers that oppresses the rich and their lakeys until they are so powerless against workers that they cant revert the socialist system to capitalism. Communist theory speaks about a social state that will be self-abolished when there will be no threat against socialism, in order to proceed in a communist utopia (which is what anarchist want too).
Of course that is not an easy task because people are programmed from their birth to think within the box the system provides them, falsely making them believe that this is human nature(most dipshit argument ever).
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Anarchism is different than Communism. One is run by the people and the other is run by a dictatorship that tells you how to think and feel. What's immature and irresponsible is billions of people putting their lives in the hands of a rich elite to make laws that are mainly there to serve the ruling class. Big decisions are made every day through means of bribery, and bills filled with thousands of words have the main agenda strategically placed within them to be passed under the radar to serve the rich.
Humans will always kill each even without government. We will never live in perfect harmony, but Anarchism is the closest we can get. Capitalism is exploitation and enslavement, period. Even all the Christians walking around this country can't see how it goes against the teachings of Jesus.
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Anarchism is good on paper.
But not with 7 billion people on earth and major cities.
There has to be some sort of "order".
Ughhh, the older I get the more I just wanna live off the grid at my cabin
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Damn sounds like it sucks to be you. I'm over here enjoying this great economy, cheap gas and healthcare and looking forward to Clinton 2.0, the sanders edition.
Granted that you are a professional programmer you have the misconseption that economy is great. No its not great, the economy is not only for the tech literate. Also an economy that does not rely heavily on industry/manufacturing is a failed one that floats on bubbles and that software engineering fad is a bubble too. The US and Europe have undermined their economies with all that outsourcing and I think they are in panic now because they realised what they have done. Mark my words, new global recession by the end of 2017, will uncover these.
if you build software you've have built something tangible. it's a product like any other and it's also an asset like any other product so i'm not sure how you are getting this bubble idea. it's not fake value like stock trading or real estate speculation.
if outsourcing is a concern for you then you better work on your hustle. the hardest part of software just like any kind of construction is communication and buidling the right thing. so if you could imagine getting contractors to do landscaping at your house but only being able to communicate through the phone with people who don't live where you live, who don't speak your language as a first language and who've never been in a yard like the one you want then you could imagine that's not going to come out that good. sure you might have one local guy managing a team of illegals (or offshore in the analogy) but the trick is to be that one local guy who is always needed to interface with the customers. if you're a worker bee with no hustle then yeah, you better save some money.
as for the economy, where are you getting your numbers? the dow industrial and s&p are both kicking all kinds of ass and employment is way down and that's coming off the biggest recession in over a hundered years. shits on fire and it's not just the nasdaq.
(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/dow_jones_industrial_average_during_the_obama_administration.png)
(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/adamhartung/files/2014/11/investment-returns-reagan-v-obama.jpg)
(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/adamhartung/files/2014/11/unemployment-reagan-v-obama.jpg)
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Well you may be coding for a profession but your economic knowledge is non-existant. Coding is not always creating a "tangible product". The economy is divided in sectors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_sector_of_the_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sector_of_the_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_sector_of_the_economy
It is widely accepted from political economists that an economy that doesnt have a strong Primary and more importantly a strong Secondary sector is a problematic one. Most of coding is not part of manufacturing or industry but part of the tertiary_sector (web apps, mobile apps, tertiary sector's digital infrastructure (banks, hotels etc) and much more). The service sector does not create new value out of materials or livestock so it is just taking value from the other two sectors, because people need services. So if you have a bloated tertiary sector and not a strong primary and secondary sector there is no value to be extracted so economy crumbles. The internet bubble we are witnessing is just recycling less and less money in a crippled economy, it doesnt create new value. If primary and secondary sector crumble facebook, google, airbnb and uber will crumble as well. The opposite would never happen. Guess what we have done, we are outsourcing our primary and secondary sector and we are left with a bloated tertiary sector.
Nice graphs really. I would challenge you to look up equally nice graphs from 2007 when a few economists would warn about the incoming recession and would get ostracized. In 2016 those economists are even more and even mainstream economists especially the keynesian ones are very concerned. The recessions have taught us one nice pattern, that before the actual economic slump, there is a decline in investment. That decline has happened the last few months and we are expecting the new global recession at the end of 2017 at least.
People who are in the tech sector are often detached by the big picture I see it with colleagues. However you cant be that disillusioned to not understand that the Trump and Sanders effect are connected with the shitty situation of economy.
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Damn sounds like it sucks to be you. I'm over here enjoying this great economy, cheap gas and healthcare and looking forward to Clinton 2.0, the sanders edition.
THANKS OBAMA!!!
God forbid I challenge the status quo,
Considering that less than half of the electorate show up to vote in even their local elections, I wouldn't necessarily call voting the "status quo".
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anyone see paul ryan's state of politics talk? thought it was pretty good. be interesting if he can back it up as speaker while getting ready for his 2020 bid.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?407141-1/house-speaker-paul-ryan-remarks-state-american-politics+ (http://www.c-span.org/video/?407141-1/house-speaker-paul-ryan-remarks-state-american-politics+)
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Well you may be coding for a profession but your economic knowledge is non-existant. Coding is not always creating a "tangible product". The economy is divided in sectors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_sector_of_the_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sector_of_the_economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_sector_of_the_economy
It is widely accepted from political economists that an economy that doesnt have a strong Primary and more importantly a strong Secondary sector is a problematic one. Most of coding is not part of manufacturing or industry but part of the tertiary_sector (web apps, mobile apps, tertiary sector's digital infrastructure (banks, hotels etc) and much more). The service sector does not create new value out of materials or livestock so it is just taking value from the other two sectors, because people need services. So if you have a bloated tertiary sector and not a strong primary and secondary sector there is no value to be extracted so economy crumbles. The internet bubble we are witnessing is just recycling less and less money in a crippled economy, it doesnt create new value. If primary and secondary sector crumble facebook, google, airbnb and uber will crumble as well. The opposite would never happen. Guess what we have done, we are outsourcing our primary and secondary sector and we are left with a bloated tertiary sector.
Nice graphs really. I would challenge you to look up equally nice graphs from 2007 when a few economists would warn about the incoming recession and would get ostracized. In 2016 those economists are even more and even mainstream economists especially the keynesian ones are very concerned. The recessions have taught us one nice pattern, that before the actual economic slump, there is a decline in investment. That decline has happened the last few months and we are expecting the new global recession at the end of 2017 at least.
People who are in the tech sector are often detached by the big picture I see it with colleagues. However you cant be that disillusioned to not understand that the Trump and Sanders effect are connected with the shitty situation of economy.
software is a product or asset depending on if it's sold or used. the service side comes from maintenace on released software. if you are selling software outside of your country then you are increasing it's circular flow, it's GDP and imports to exports ratio. it's no different than music, film or any other intangible product.
hate this fucking thread. . sleazy so pompous it's gross
whatever man, i'm the only one in this thread not being negative. and you insult like a 12 year old girl.
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software is a product or asset depending on if it's sold or used. the service side comes from maintenace on released software. if you are selling software outside of your country then you are increasing it's circular flow, it's GDP and imports to exports ratio. it's no different than music, film or any other intangible product.
Dude just make an effort to read the articles from wikipedia you will get some education. Films, music and art fall into the category of services. Software is more complicated but web apps, mobile apps and software that caters service sector (banks, government etc) are services. Firmware on eectronics is for sure into manufacturing sector
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whatever man, i'm the only one in this thread not being negative. and you insult like a 12 year old girl.
Well, your credibility just dropped. ::)
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
You say the system isn't broken, then go on to explain the broken system.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
Actually, it's the humans who make the errors. A corporation is just a name on a piece of paper. It has no working parts, nor does a government. The working parts are people. People are what fuck things up.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
Actually, it's the humans who make the errors. A corporation is just a name on a piece of paper.It has no working parts, nor does a government. The working parts are people. People are what fuck things up.
Tell that to the 14th amendment.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
Actually, it's the humans who make the errors. A corporation is just a name on a piece of paper. It has no working parts, nor does a government. The working parts are people. People are what fuck things up.
Just saying that you point out the system allows for and even incentivizes corrupt behavior. Of course it is broken by people, but it's broken all the same. Put new people into this system and you get roughly the same results.
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The problem with Sanders is that he is a social democrat. Capitalism and economy GLOBALLY can't afford social democracy. I mean even Europe is trying to abolish social state and become like America. No it's not because america is a possitive role model, its because profit rates have fallen for capitalists and dont want to pay for social state anymore. There is no way out without violence. There will be either world war to reset economy or war against the rich (civil wars). Social democrats historically despised violence and tried to convince rich people to pay, but that never worked in a declining economy.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
Big business runs the economies and most politicians don't have a spine to stand up and say no. Shit Half of Goldman Sachs has worked for the US government or the US treasury. The system isn't broken the people within it are corrupt. The US is a social democracy, you are a card carrying socialist if you have a social security card. Good luck with collecting on it though. You get to vote, do you see the changes you want? What does your vote count for then?
When corporations get government incentives to build factories in whatever places and then major tax breaks to protect the bottom line... and ship that factory overseas to increase the bottom line, you have corrupt people within a system. I would bet that the top 5 US companies get more government funding than the entire welfare system. How much do those cities pay for new NFL stadiums? I wonder how much Exxon or Caterpillar get in tax payer dollars on top of the tax breaks? That doesn't include the lower tax rate on dividend payouts..... There is no decline, there are only lower profits. When the company doesn't make the profit, you get laid off, so says the CEO who takes a 12million dollar payout!
A system that in its core is praising greed, of course it will end up with corruption. Especially when those with money can bend the rules and thus make even more money and bend more rules or even make their own rules. We live in a world by the rich for the rich and that's what capitalism and bourgeoisie democracy are. The Panama leaks proves all that.
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Vince = America
Donald = Donald
Lashley = Dennis Rodman
Stone Cold = Jon Voight
Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga - Battle of the Billionaires Match: WrestleMania 23 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0-ChqIib_w&feature=youtu.be&t=135#)
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I'd wear a mask ^ if I was shaving that guys head. (most skin fungus' are contracted thru air bourne skin particles that go into your lungs) !
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http://crimethinc.com/texts/r/democracy/ (http://crimethinc.com/texts/r/democracy/)
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Where are the american names in the panama leak???
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American names have not been released yet I believe, they are coming though. I know someone from the Clinton camp, an advisor I believe, was named.
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In The Beginning ~ El Saturn ~ Elohim ~ YHWH ~ Cube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOANEM4JN6s#)
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I'd listen to Ms. Fat Booty if I were you..
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dang
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/deartrump_rb_loc/?cuPBxhb
the dude is a bad joke
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Few American names are in the Panama papers because it's legal to create a shell company in some US states.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/business/need-to-hide-some-income-you-dont-have-to-go-to-panama.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/business/need-to-hide-some-income-you-dont-have-to-go-to-panama.html?_r=0)
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pretty accurate
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Rich folks couldn't break the system if poor folks didn't allow themselves to be bought...
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Well technically, if people aren't educated about it they aren't really "allowing" it. But you're still right tho.
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Rich folks couldn't break the system if poor folks didn't allow themselves to be bought...
Poor folks have to eat, pay debts and get housing. No one would be sold if these were granted for their whole life.
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Rich folks couldn't break the system if poor folks didn't allow themselves to be bought...
it's probably more likely that the poor folks that participate in the political system feel more strongly about social issues than financial. and ideas like freedom are good are hard to argue against for them as they aren't the most educated part of the population either so they fall for ideas like unlimited free markets and trickle down economics.
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Rich folks couldn't break the system if poor folks didn't allow themselves to be bought...
Kinda true. However, most of the middle class and the poor are unaware of the shit rich people get away with behind closed doors. This is mainly because the rich control the news. Now, if more people were actually aware of the day-to-day corruption maybe they'd do something about it. My guess is probably not though. As long as they have TV, internet, Hot Pockets, and a climate controlled house it's enough life bait to keep them as working obedient slaves.
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Rich folks couldn't break the system if poor folks didn't allow themselves to be bought...
Ya but it seems kind of dumb to blame the failures of the system on the people who have the least amount of influence on it's design. All people - including poor people - are self interested and that's not going to change any time soon. This makes us all manipulable by politicians to some extent. Painting this as some moral failing of the lower classes is totally counter-productive and plays into the narrative advanced by people like Trump that if you aren't taking every possible opportunity to enhance your own wealth and prestige at the expense of others you are a "loser".
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That came out wrong I guess. Just a fleeting thought I felt like sharing. I read all the opinions on here and try to consider them all and take what I think makes the most sense from all of them and form my own opinion. But I've thought about all this discussion and different folks arguments for why we are where we are today in the world. I came up with this analogy: Say we take all the money on the planet, all of it, throw in in a pot, a kitty if you will and distribute it equally between every person on the planet over say 21 years old. Lets say(for example) that worked out to 1 million bucks a person. OK so now we're all even steven right? No one has anymore than anyone else. I guarantee you that in 10 years time you would again have the extremely poor and the ridiculously wealthy. The question we have to ask ourselves is "why is that?". Most of you will disagree with me and probably call me all kinds of names or whatever but I would bet the farm that that would be the case. Not sure what my point is but it's definitely food for thought...
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using slap to form your stance seems wise.
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using slap to form your stance seems wise.
haha sarcasm noted. Guess I had that one coming. Let me rephrase. I guess what I meant was in determing who has the most valid points in slaps ongoing political squabbles. But truthfully there do seem to be some pretty well informed folks on here and I can admit I have learned a few things I was not aware of on SLAP. No shame in that, for me at least. Im not on any high horse or claiming to have any answers. And actually, in reference to the thread title I have no clue who(if anyone at all) I want to vote for. The choices are all pretty shitty if you ask me.
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That came out wrong I guess. Just a fleeting thought I felt like sharing. I read all the opinions on here and try to consider them all and take what I think makes the most sense from all of them and form my own opinion. But I've thought about all this discussion and different folks arguments for why we are where we are today in the world. I came up with this analogy: Say we take all the money on the planet, all of it, throw in in a pot, a kitty if you will and distribute it equally between every person on the planet over say 21 years old. Lets say(for example) that worked out to 1 million bucks a person. OK so now we're all even steven right? No one has anymore than anyone else. I guarantee you that in 10 years time you would again have the extremely poor and the ridiculously wealthy. The question we have to ask ourselves is "why is that?". Most of you will disagree with me and probably call me all kinds of names or whatever but I would bet the farm that that would be the case. Not sure what my point is but it's definitely food for thought...
some people just have more hustle and over time when you have kids with hustle who had parents with hustle you get super rich.
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That came out wrong I guess. Just a fleeting thought I felt like sharing. I read all the opinions on here and try to consider them all and take what I think makes the most sense from all of them and form my own opinion. But I've thought about all this discussion and different folks arguments for why we are where we are today in the world. I came up with this analogy: Say we take all the money on the planet, all of it, throw in in a pot, a kitty if you will and distribute it equally between every person on the planet over say 21 years old. Lets say(for example) that worked out to 1 million bucks a person. OK so now we're all even steven right? No one has anymore than anyone else. I guarantee you that in 10 years time you would again have the extremely poor and the ridiculously wealthy. The question we have to ask ourselves is "why is that?". Most of you will disagree with me and probably call me all kinds of names or whatever but I would bet the farm that that would be the case. Not sure what my point is but it's definitely food for thought...
some people just have more hustle and over time when you have kids with hustle who had parents with hustle you get super rich.
precisely. And don't you think it would be fair to say that it will always be that way???
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I came up with this analogy: Say we take all the money on the planet, all of it, throw in in a pot, a kitty if you will and distribute it equally between every person on the planet over say 21 years old. Lets say(for example) that worked out to 1 million bucks a person. OK so now we're all even steven right? No one has anymore than anyone else. I guarantee you that in 10 years time you would again have the extremely poor and the ridiculously wealthy. The question we have to ask ourselves is "why is that?". Most of you will disagree with me and probably call me all kinds of names or whatever but I would bet the farm that that would be the case. Not sure what my point is but it's definitely food for thought...
Talk about oversimplifying... Of course the people in the developing world wouldn't get as far as Americans or Europeans with a million dollars. With your analogy you're only resetting (not even fixing) one aspect of a flawed system.
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i don't think his point was that americans and europeans would win, it was just that there would be winners and loosers. unless you figure out a way to make it so hard work and being entrepreneurial doesn't pay off then you will always of income inequality and there will always be super rich. it seems wrong to not allow people to benifit from hard work but it also seems wrong to have a huge income inequality. not sure any system has ever figured this out.
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Fair enough. Upon rereading his post I see no argument, just an idea for an experiment which would show how fucked up capitalism is, which we already know anyway.
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That came out wrong I guess. Just a fleeting thought I felt like sharing. I read all the opinions on here and try to consider them all and take what I think makes the most sense from all of them and form my own opinion. But I've thought about all this discussion and different folks arguments for why we are where we are today in the world. I came up with this analogy: Say we take all the money on the planet, all of it, throw in in a pot, a kitty if you will and distribute it equally between every person on the planet over say 21 years old. Lets say(for example) that worked out to 1 million bucks a person. OK so now we're all even steven right? No one has anymore than anyone else. I guarantee you that in 10 years time you would again have the extremely poor and the ridiculously wealthy. The question we have to ask ourselves is "why is that?". Most of you will disagree with me and probably call me all kinds of names or whatever but I would bet the farm that that would be the case. Not sure what my point is but it's definitely food for thought...
Because we have capitalism. I assume that you distribute assets equally and that politicians or people in charge won't favor a group of persons over others. Even with those two in a vacuum constraints we would have extremely poor and extremely rich in some years. In a free economy winners get rich while losers get poor or stable. This means that winners are now having more chances on winning again them or their family through inheritance. So you end up with monopolies. Free market and competition doesnt exist after a while for most markets and monopolies make their rules. Taxing was a way to balance this thing and preserving free market and competition however when the rich are getting too much power, because their money can bend or make the rules, they can dodge taxes and worsen this process. Capitalism even in a vacuum ends up in OLIGARCHY and WAR.
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i don't think his point was that americans and europeans would win, it was just that there would be winners and loosers. unless you figure out a way to make it so hard work and being entrepreneurial doesn't pay off then you will always of income inequality and there will always be super rich. it seems wrong to not allow people to benifit from hard work but it also seems wrong to have a huge income inequality. not sure any system has ever figured this out.
where would any of us be if this were the case? Why would anyone be motivated to do, create or improve anything? I'm sorry but I struggle to understand your logic with that statement.
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Ted cruz is/was canadian
How is he even running???
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i don't think his point was that americans and europeans would win, it was just that there would be winners and loosers. unless you figure out a way to make it so hard work and being entrepreneurial doesn't pay off then you will always of income inequality and there will always be super rich. it seems wrong to not allow people to benifit from hard work but it also seems wrong to have a huge income inequality. not sure any system has ever figured this out.
You work harder than a miner in Asia? LoLOL. First thing first is that this system doesnt even guarantee that hard work equals decent living, which is fucked. Only detached middle class who have a steady career believe that. The word entrepreneurial gives me laughs everytime I cant stand the joke entrepreneurs are, and how much the media present them as gods. Anyone who has the money to do proper marketing (I hate that too) and hire some good employees, can succeed even with the lousiest idea. Money bring Money that was the case since capitalism became the dominant system.
Your fallacy is the fallacy that the whole western civilization has fallen into. Translating hard work to economical domination against others. It is funny how the system through competition teaches us to run an endless race against each other and most of the times we dont have time to realise that we cant win the big ones who use us and our perpetual running in order to grow bigger. Most of the hard work we do has no social value either, it is just a vehicle to serve capitalism and your boss that makes money, that's why your job doesnt even matter most of the times except the money you get, so it is easy to fall into that fallacy. Work is essential for a society to thrive, but only work with social value. In capitalism, society is shit because most jobs dont serve society but the domination of the rich. Communist ethics say that one shouldnt translate his work into economic domination but rather into social giving and fullfilment. And I think that there are people today who do those kinds of jobs and dont give a fuck about not getting a big salary. Anyway it is just hard to deprogram humanity of having an "I win u lose eat shit because you deserve it" and make peace in our lives.
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to climb the ladder in capitalism requires both hard work, good decision making and timing (aka luck). your idea about enterprenuership is pretty naive. i work with a lot of them and it's most certainly not easy and it's also a very balsy thing to do and if you succeed and create a company that pull money and jobs into your economy that's a good thing. marketing is only lead generation and sales is by far the hardest part of starting a business.
i don't think any reasonable person thinks that how physically demanding a job is should determine the income. the number of people willing and able to do phyically demanding jobs is way higher than the number of people able to do brain surgery. sure a coal miner's job is physically harder but while a doctor could do a coal miners job, a coal miner is not doing brain surgery anytime soon as it takes 10-15 years to learn that craft. if you don't think the dedication and self sacrifice it takes to spend 10-15 year perparing for a job deserves more pay than a job than jobs that take 0 ramp up then well just have to agree to disagree. but i don't know how you could possible not think that we wouldn't have less people doing these jobs that take 10-15 years of prep time to get into if there wasn't a reward.
communism collapsed for obvious reasons and that's why you see comunist countries with hybrid economy's now and communism has some of the worst wealth distribution out of any of the systems out there so they failed miserably at that too.
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Well I can only agree with you with the luck part, but having a lot of money that can last you a few fails it is guaranteed that you will make money. Plus rich people have their ways to fail for free.... Look at Trump he failed a lot yet he has money and he runs for president with the lousiest ideas.
That is another fallacy created by western civilisation. Valuing work is a multi parameter problem and not a single parameter, which comes down to what the market wants. First of all not everyone has the chance to be a brain surgeon, not everyone can invest in so many years of education. Mind that. Secondly yeah everyone can do manual labour but manual labour takes a toll to your body something that a brain surgeon doesnt have to care about. Then there are conditions of working and living, the amount of travelling and another million parameters. As I said valuing work is a multiparameter problem and markets fail into that A LOT. Market sets miners in Asia at 1$ a day, while I can think million of fancy socially useless jobs that set you at 50k per year, such as corporate law.
Communism never failed, because there was no communism ever. Socialist states never failed either. I thought that too for a long time. It is all western propaganda. You can look up the GDP of any socialist country right before the so-called collapse and you can find out that they had more severe "collapses" during their capitalist years. Socialist states collapsed when politicians who embraced western ideals prevailed and opened the door for invasion of West, people thought that things would be better that way as they were told and let it happen. You can google polls that I am aware of in Romania, Russia, Czech Republic, Eastern Germany, that those people totally regret their decision to let their socialist state fall. Cheers!
Sleazy you are just a detached middle class and you think that the world is buisiness and what US-West preaches. I know your type I encounter them all the time at work. No, the world existed before buisiness and it will be existing forever even without buisiness AGAIN.
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to climb the ladder in capitalism requires both hard work, good decision making and timing (aka luck). your idea about enterprenuership is pretty naive. i work with a lot of them and it's most certainly not easy and it's also a very balsy thing to do and if you succeed and create a company that pull money and jobs into your economy that's a good thing. marketing is only lead generation and sales is by far the hardest part of starting a business.
i don't think any reasonable person thinks that how physically demanding a job is should determine the income. the number of people willing and able to do phyically demanding jobs is way higher than the number of people able to do brain surgery. sure a coal miner's job is physically harder but while a doctor could do a coal miners job, a coal miner is not doing brain surgery anytime soon as it takes 10-15 years to learn that craft. if you don't think the dedication and self sacrifice it takes to spend 10-15 year perparing for a job deserves more pay than a job than jobs that take 0 ramp up then well just have to agree to disagree. but i don't know how you could possible not think that we wouldn't have less people doing these jobs that take 10-15 years of prep time to get into if there wasn't a reward.
communism collapsed for obvious reasons and that's why you see comunist countries with hybrid economy's now and communism has some of the worst wealth distribution out of any of the systems out there so they failed miserably at that too.
I don't think you really understand income inequality in America if a brain surgeon is what you use as an example of a high paying job vs a low paying job... They don't make that much money comparatively and most of their income is wages, which are taxed fairly.
The guys who make the big $$ are corporation CEOs and investors, who don't pay nearly enough tax. Capital gains is at the most 20% in the US. Should someone who makes $20,000,000 a year on investments be paying the same tax rate as someone who makes <$37,000 in wages? I don't think so... And CEOs might be in the top (40%) tax bracket, but they don't actually pay that much because of tax breaks they get (and because they also have high earning investments). Really, the top 1% only pays about 17-22% in income tax.
And on top of this, they can legally use their money to influence the political system to allow them to make even more money. I get that these guys work hard, and they deserve to make much more money than the average citizen, but they don't deserve to pay the same tax rate as a entry level school teacher.
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i understand it pretty well and hopefully not being pedantic but i'm pretty sure most surgeons have private practices and therefore are paying business owner tax rates which are lower than what you are describing. what your analysis is lacking is an understanding that the rate isn't that important. once you're a business owner real benefit is that you now have the ability to control your income as your salary is something you can set and you can also start having a lot more things become business expenses and therefore control the rate you get taxed at. i'm pretty sure most doctors do this as they are smart people and have a lot to gain buy doing it.
i'm not arguing the tax code is fair by the way. i was just pointing out the power of reward.
but to your actual point, yeah, the super rich are super rich and pay way less percentage tax than working people do. the middle class is eroding and we are slowing creeping back to an aristocracy and undoing all the good that's been done since the last time we were aristocratic.
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Nobody I know in real life has a problem with Capitalism, because nobody I know has a problem with making themselves useful to others, living within their means and obeying the law. They might have gripes about specific things, like the cost of healthcare or the tax code, but they don't want to be banned from freely buying and selling goods and services.
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everyone you know sounds boring as fuck
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Everyone I know is an intersectional feminist
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Nobody I know in real life has a problem with Capitalism, because nobody I know has a problem with making themselves useful to others, living within their means and obeying the law. They might have gripes about specific things, like the cost of healthcare or the tax code, but they don't want to be banned from freely buying and selling goods and services.
That's not terribly surprising given that you work in finance. I'd wager that the majority of people you know benefit from capitalism to a much greater extent than the average person. Also, in what way does a willingness to entertain the idea of alternate economic systems imply that you have trouble obeying the law?
And Sleazy, I know this is a comforting belief for upper-middle class aspirational people like yourself, but it's absurd to say that there is a direct, linear relationship between how hard you work and your level of success in a capitalist society. That analysis is just not borne out by the facts.
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but it's absurd to say that there is a direct, linear relationship between how hard you work and your level of success in a capitalist society. That analysis is just not borne out by the facts.
This is very true. I work as an software engineer, which is a skill I learned as a kid in my spare time and I am very easily employable and can make good money. My wife is one exam away from graduating veterinary school, where she had to give it all her time (the best 6 years of your life) and the job market for her profession is pathetic. Even the medicine students have a much easier study program and their job market is a lot healthier.
People need to realize that the job market can shift dramatically from the time you find out what you'd like to do in life (and that the field has good job opportunities) and the time you actually graduate. I was originally studying and working as a translator and the global recession of 2008 made that job market sink so low it is unbearable.
Granted, on average, more effort means a better payoff, but there are so many factors that can make it hard to succeed in capitalism.
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 Well I can only agree with you with the luck part, but having a lot of money that can last you a few fails it is guaranteed that you will make money. Plus rich people have their ways to fail for free.... Look at Trump he failed a lot yet he has money and he runs for president with the lousiest ideas.
That is another fallacy created by western civilisation. Valuing work is a multi parameter problem and not a single parameter, which comes down to what the market wants. First of all not everyone has the chance to be a brain surgeon, not everyone can invest in so many years of education. Mind that. Secondly yeah everyone can do manual labour but manual labour takes a toll to your body something that a brain surgeon doesnt have to care about. Then there are conditions of working and living, the amount of travelling and another million parameters. As I said valuing work is a multiparameter problem and markets fail into that A LOT. Market sets miners in Asia at 1$ a day, while I can think million of fancy socially useless jobs that set you at 50k per year, such as corporate law.
Communism never failed, because there was no communism ever. Socialist states never failed either. I thought that too for a long time. It is all western propaganda. You can look up the GDP of any socialist country right before the so-called collapse and you can find out that they had more severe "collapses" during their capitalist years. Socialist states collapsed when politicians who embraced western ideals prevailed and opened the door for invasion of West, people thought that things would be better that way as they were told and let it happen. You can google polls that I am aware of in Romania, Russia, Czech Republic, Eastern Germany, that those people totally regret their decision to let their socialist state fall. Cheers!
Sleazy you are just a detached middle class and you think that the world is buisiness and what US-West preaches. I know your type I encounter them all the time at work. No, the world existed before buisiness and it will be existing forever even without buisiness AGAIN.
Just so I can wrap my head around this Tufty could you just give me a brief outline of the dynamics of such a society would work? I'd love to hear your idea of a perfect society where everyones happy all the time, has plenty of everything they need, equal in every way, and completely void of any type of commerce or currency. If that's possible sign me up!
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Nobody I know in real life has a problem with Capitalism, because nobody I know has a problem with making themselves useful to others, living within their means and obeying the law. They might have gripes about specific things, like the cost of healthcare or the tax code, but they don't want to be banned from freely buying and selling goods and services.
brainwashed view on capitalism. most capitalists i know love to fuck people over, break tax laws, break workers laws. they care to keep their tax code low, they don't care about health, they can pay any doctor. most of them lack ability to emphasize with people of low economic power. it's always the poor peoples fault that they are poor. it's not the asshole keeping them down, he's just excercising his economic power.
in simpler terms:
poor worker fucks up at job--->most likely gets fired
investment banker fucks up at job that costs thousands of jobs, effectively destroying lives--->here's your bonus regardless, thx, good luck!
another great example:
bailouts for poor people aka welfare is bad and everyone should feel bad.
bailouts for rich people aka keyplayers aka banks aka the whole financial secor is yes, please, because if you don't bail us out, we'll destroy your nations economy for real.
so taking money from governments is totally cool. helping disadvantaged people is bad, because we need the "invisble hand" aka moneygod.
EDIT: yeah bad spelling and grammar, buttfruckit
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but it's absurd to say that there is a direct, linear relationship between how hard you work and your level of success in a capitalist society. That analysis is just not borne out by the facts.
This is very true. I work as an software engineer, which is a skill I learned as a kid in my spare time and I am very easily employable and can make good money. My wife is one exam away from graduating veterinary school, where she had to give it all her time (the best 6 years of your life) and the job market for her profession is pathetic. Even the medicine students have a much easier study program and their job market is a lot healthier.
People need to realize that the job market can shift dramatically from the time you find out what you'd like to do in life (and that the field has good job opportunities) and the time you actually graduate. I was originally studying and working as a translator and the global recession of 2008 made that job market sink so low it is unbearable.
Granted, on average, more effort means a better payoff, but there are so many factors that can make it hard to succeed in capitalism.
i'm doing a really poor job of making the points i'm trying to make here because people are getting points out them that i'm not trying to make. i'm not at all saying that hard work alone equals success, i'm saying that going from humble beginings to success requires hard work. so the implication is that those who are successful have put in hard.
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i understand it pretty well and hopefully not being pedantic but i'm pretty sure most surgeons have private practices and therefore are paying business owner tax rates which are lower than what you are describing. what your analysis is lacking is an understanding that the rate isn't that important. once you're a business owner real benefit is that you now have the ability to control your income as your salary is something you can set and you can also start having a lot more things become business expenses and therefore control the rate you get taxed at. i'm pretty sure most doctors do this as they are smart people and have a lot to gain buy doing it.
i'm not arguing the tax code is fair by the way. i was just pointing out the power of reward.
but to your actual point, yeah, the super rich are super rich and pay way less percentage tax than working people do. the middle class is eroding and we are slowing creeping back to an aristocracy and undoing all the good that's been done since the last time we were aristocratic.
Yeah, you're right. I question how much you can actually write off as a business expense without getting audited. And I'd say the main benefit to business owning is that your salary is potentially limitless, whereas an employee will only make up to a certain amount.
But to your actual point about people who get these jobs working harder, I don't think a lot of these jobs are so hard to get for these people. A surgeon is kind of an exception. Few can make it through so much schooling, but for other high paying jobs (Accountant, Programmer, Engineer, etc) 4 years of fucking around with the some hard classes isn't really hard work.
Like, my parents raised me to be an overachiever and they pay for my school. I'll probably have double STEM major from a pretty selective school by the end of next year. When I get out, it will be very easy to find a job with a high starting salary. And I see so many kids at my school, coming from backgrounds just like mine, acting like they work so fucking hard and they deserve every cent of that future salary, but do they really? I know I don't. Sure, the classes are hard, but I still smoke weed and skate every day without a care in the world. Meanwhile, my friends without that upbringing who just got jobs out of HS are working 50+ hours a week trying to pay their bills for houses they share with 5 other people.
Really, so much of your success depends on your upbringing. To say that all of these college grad professionals actually deserve all that they have is sort of fucked (this obviously excludes the people who pay for it themselves/come from nothing). This isn't to say that we should make McDonald's cashier and Amazon programmer pay equal. That would be a disaster. But we should provide more opportunity for people who don't come from the upper-middle class and excellent role models. Maybe raise the minimum wage a bit too, so if you're dealt a real shitty hand in life, you can still live OK, maybe save up some money to go to tech school or something.
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i fully back the goverment providing opportunities for all and doing what it can to keep people out of poverty. i came up on welfare cheese, charity hospitals and pell grants. if bernie could pull it off, i'd be stoked. i just don't think he can.
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Sleazy you are just a detached middle class and you think that the world is buisiness and what US-West preaches. I know your type I encounter them all the time at work. No, the world existed before buisiness and it will be existing forever even without buisiness AGAIN.
I believe in what Marx wrote more or less. It is not that someone will dictate to people to think in a way but the evolution of society will dictate this to people, or more percisely the evolution of means of production. It is no secret that technology and capitalism dont mix well. I have read surveys that say that for every 1000 jobs vanished by automation of production, there are only 100 new ones created. Moreover these new jobs may require more education, meaning that the gap between educated and uneducated is getting massive, especially when most of those uneducated dont have the money to invest into such an education. This creates a big problem in the economic climate, as with unemployment rising there will be no consumers to sustain the model of ongoing boom that capitalism wants in order to function. So people will either push for some new ethics and new social models or we are bound to live great inequalities, turbulences and maybe wars. Of course capitalism has the tendency of patching things in many ways ( excessive Imperialism, credit to send the problem years ahead, wars that reset economy by destruction of major world players and elimination of the population etc.) but those cant work forever.
So I dont have some clear answer for you as you can see. I can tell you that buisiness didnt always exist and for the biggest part of the human history didnt play a major role in the economy or society but they were rather a small part of it. It was during the 17th-18th century that buisiness ethics and capitalism prevailed, and I wont lie those ethics boosted technology and economy in a way that made capitalistic nations superpowers. Until then Europe and Asia werent exactly so different in terms of global power. However the asset capitalism gave in early capitalist nations (technology) is the same thing that threatens capitalism. I know that the Parisian Commune and USSR are glimpses of those new ethics and they are the equivalent of all those times capitalism tried to prevail against feudarchy since the 14th century and failed miserably for 300 years.
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Sleazy you are just a detached middle class and you think that the world is buisiness and what US-West preaches. I know your type I encounter them all the time at work. No, the world existed before buisiness and it will be existing forever even without buisiness AGAIN.
So I dont have some clear answer for you as you can see. I can tell you that buisiness didnt always exist and for the biggest part of the human history didnt play a major role in the economy or society but they were rather a small part of it. It was during the 17th-18th century that buisiness ethics and capitalism prevailed, and I wont lie those ethics boosted technology and economy in a way that made capitalistic nations superpowers. Until then Europe and Asia werent exactly so different in terms of global power. However the asset capitalism gave in early capitalist nations (technology) is the same thing that threatens capitalism. I know that the Parisian Commune and USSR are glimpses of those new ethics and they are the equivalent of all those times capitalism tried to prevail against feudarchy since the 14th century and failed miserably for 300 years.
OK. Not going to pretend I grasp all of that but it sounds reasonable. So now tell me what form of government is in place where these $1 per day asian miners live? Being a miner has never been a glamorous profession and the miners here in the US are def not getting rich. But I can assure they have a fair wage, live a decent life and have super strict OSHA safety laws being enforced. ie.they make enough to save up and change their situation if they are so motivated(go back to school whatnot). In fact I can't think of any jobs here that pay slave wages. Granted there are jobs that deserve/need more. Hopefully minimum wage will go up. But I think if you answer my original question you will see who the true oppressors are. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Also, try standing in one spot in the same position with your arms up for anywhere from 4 to 10 hours at a time and see how your body feels. Surgeons(of all types)earn their $$$ my friend trust me.
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you new york motherfuckers better be votin' Bernie on tuesday
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Bernie.
Reaganomics is what this country is going through, it has not worked, nor was it meant to ever work, and now we are stuck. Mr. Sanders is someone who will at least attempt to square up with this entity.
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Bernie.
Reaganomics is what this country is going through, it has not worked, nor was it meant to ever work, and now we are stuck. Mr. Sanders is someone who will at least attempt to square up with this entity.
You should at least try to read some other responses in this thread and begin unprogramming your brain from thinking voting matters. Your boy Bernie is merely giving you a speech, that's it.
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I think one of the biggest root problems is how our culture demands immediate results. That's just not how government is intended to work. For legislation to really take hold you have to start with a solid foundation and wait for it to work. If you want an olive, you're going to have to wait 7 years for the fucking tree to grow.
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Bernie.
Reaganomics is what this country is going through, it has not worked, nor was it meant to ever work, and now we are stuck. Mr. Sanders is someone who will at least attempt to square up with this entity.
You should at least try to read some other responses in this thread and begin unprogramming your brain from thinking voting matters. Your boy Bernie is merely giving you a speech, that's it.
Ironically it's you that is being fed a line. Bernie correctly points out, over and over and over, that we have a regressive federal tax policy that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor.
-We cap social security taxable income at $118,500.
-We extend tax breaks to companies who provide their workers minimum wage and no benefits, to companies who ship away jobs.
-We don't tax the sale of stocks or bonds, which would be a humungous source of income.
-Tax havens, such as documented in the Panama Papers, are basically legal.
-Tax dollars are used to perpetuate warfare under an unending campaign of regime change around the world, because (and it really should be stated clearly and explicitly more often) doing so benefits the producers of weapons, transportation, and fuel.
These are just the things I know and I am not a lifelong soldier in this fight, but Bernie Sanders is. If we acknowledge that the system is rigged in favor of the rich, and we stop electing people who are established mechanisms in that system, like Hillary Clinton is, then we can begin to build a more just system that represents all of the people of the United States. This would look like universal healthcare, publicly funded universities, paid family leave, expanded social security benefits, rebuilt infrastructure, a transition to green energy, and the resulting gain of millions of jobs nationwide. That's Bernie's whole platform, make the rich pay their taxes, use the money on the people.
It might not happen quickly, but if we don't vote for people who are willing to acknowledge injustice and fight it won't happen at all.
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you new york motherfuckers better be votin' Bernie on tuesday
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TRUE AUDIENCE REACTION to Bernie Sanders Closing statement 4/14/16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tcT4gFyuZI#)
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Bernie.
Reaganomics is what this country is going through, it has not worked, nor was it meant to ever work, and now we are stuck. Mr. Sanders is someone who will at least attempt to square up with this entity.
You should at least try to read some other responses in this thread and begin unprogramming your brain from thinking voting matters. Your boy Bernie is merely giving you a speech, that's it.
Ironically it's you that is being fed a line. Bernie correctly points out, over and over and over, that we have a regressive federal tax policy that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor.
-We cap social security taxable income at $118,500.
-We extend tax breaks to companies who provide their workers minimum wage and no benefits, to companies who ship away jobs.
-We don't tax the sale of stocks or bonds, which would be a humungous source of income.
-Tax havens, such as documented in the Panama Papers, are basically legal.
-Tax dollars are used to perpetuate warfare under an unending campaign of regime change around the world, because (and it really should be stated clearly and explicitly more often) doing so benefits the producers of weapons, transportation, and fuel.
These are just the things I know and I am not a lifelong soldier in this fight, but Bernie Sanders is. If we acknowledge that the system is rigged in favor of the rich, and we stop electing people who are established mechanisms in that system, like Hillary Clinton is, then we can begin to build a more just system that represents all of the people of the United States. This would look like universal healthcare, publicly funded universities, paid family leave, expanded social security benefits, rebuilt infrastructure, a transition to green energy, and the resulting gain of millions of jobs nationwide. That's Bernie's whole platform, make the rich pay their taxes, use the money on the people.
It might not happen quickly, but if we don't vote for people who are willing to acknowledge injustice and fight it won't happen at all.
http://crimethinc.com/texts/r/democracy/ (http://crimethinc.com/texts/r/democracy/)
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Please stop posting that garbage link.
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LOL Crimethinc....
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Please explain your reasoning that it's "garbage".
The answer to flawed democracy is not more flawed democracy. You really think if there was any chance Bernie could actually become president the real owners and psychopaths of this country would allow it to happen? Look at what happened to Ron Paul, he was sabotaged. Look at how Bush and his team of scumbags rigged the electronic voting machines to steal his presidency.
The corruption isn't just with presidents either. The fact that lobbying exists and what purpose it serves is clear as day. Read all the declassified operations the terrorist organization CIA has implemented. Same goes with the FBI. There's tragedy and corruption every day happening all over the place, more government and a new president will never be the answer. They don't give a fuck about you.
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You still haven't proven that your main thesis that affecting change in government through voting is *impossible*. All you've done is point out that the system as currently established is corrupt (no duh), not that it's irreversibly corrupt. So excuse us if we don't immediately recognize the superiority of your juvenile, historically unsuported belief system.
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Crimethinc is like if Infowars had a septum piercing.
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You still haven't proven that your main thesis that affecting change in government through voting is *impossible*. All you've done is point out that the system as currently established is corrupt (no duh), not that it's irreversibly corrupt. So excuse us if we don't immediately recognize the superiority of your juvenile, historically unsuported belief system.
It's a shame that you consider people who challenge the status quo and the system which is currently in place as "juvenile". So the ones who conform and limit their thinking to working within the system must be smart, in your eyes?
This makes some pretty good points.
http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/ (http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/)
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You still haven't proven that your main thesis that affecting change in government through voting is *impossible*. All you've done is point out that the system as currently established is corrupt (no duh), not that it's irreversibly corrupt. So excuse us if we don't immediately recognize the superiority of your juvenile, historically unsuported belief system.
It's a shame that you consider people who challenge the status quo and the system which is currently in place as "juvenile". So the ones who conform and limit their thinking to working within the system must be smart, in your eyes?
This makes some pretty good points.
http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/ (http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/)
People want it to be impossible to change things within the system because it provides an excuse not to do anything. Barack Obama demonstrates what kind of power is possible through electing a particular president regardless of having an obstructionist legislative branch and a fairly conservative judicial branch: i.e. an incredible increase in healthcare, the end of pre-existing conditions, a significant pairing down of USA's various wars, a major increase in employment, a huge expansion in civil rights (due in large part to the Supreme Court, but guess who picks those judges? Presidents, who are elected by people who vote), a renewed acknowledgement of science in our energy policies, and on and on. These are significant changes, and they have been brought about by voting for a particular president. If Romney was president you think any of that shit would have happened? You'd have to be stupid or just a contrarian to claim that.
Furthermore, at local levels, governors and state legislators are making things like prison reform, decriminalization, minimum wage increases, and way more come to be. It wouldn't happen without electing particular people, and those people are elected by people who vote. The argument that voting doesn't matter isn't even superficially interesting, with a minimum of information it is just obviously true.
Sometimes you need to do more though. This is my second weekend day in a month I've spent caucasing instead of skating. I've written letters, made phone calls, for and donated money to Bernie Sanders, because I think he is our best chance for the progression of well being in the middle class, and the beginning of the end of poverty. Voting matters, but participating in our democracy (demos-the people, cratos-the strenght of) is what makes it a democracy. Voting matters, but if you don't participate than you don't matter.
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I take back what I said on the previous page. I do know somebody who has issues with capitalism. This guy:
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3533486/asset-management-hedge-funds-and-alternatives/the-other-paul-ryan-banker-welcomes-a-bernie-sanders-revolution.html#/.VxSY8JMrLWE (http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3533486/asset-management-hedge-funds-and-alternatives/the-other-paul-ryan-banker-welcomes-a-bernie-sanders-revolution.html#/.VxSY8JMrLWE)
'"I'm doing a Weberian critique of modern capitalism by voting for Bernie Sanders," Ryan, 51, says in the boardroom of TriPoint Global Equities, a New York based investment bank where he serves as a managing director. Referring to the "iron cage of rationality," a term coined by German sociologist Max Weber, he argues that the current system has outlived its usefulness and the only kind and ethical thing to do is to put it out of its misery.'
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Sleazy you are just a detached middle class and you think that the world is buisiness and what US-West preaches. I know your type I encounter them all the time at work. No, the world existed before buisiness and it will be existing forever even without buisiness AGAIN.
So I dont have some clear answer for you as you can see. I can tell you that buisiness didnt always exist and for the biggest part of the human history didnt play a major role in the economy or society but they were rather a small part of it. It was during the 17th-18th century that buisiness ethics and capitalism prevailed, and I wont lie those ethics boosted technology and economy in a way that made capitalistic nations superpowers. Until then Europe and Asia werent exactly so different in terms of global power. However the asset capitalism gave in early capitalist nations (technology) is the same thing that threatens capitalism. I know that the Parisian Commune and USSR are glimpses of those new ethics and they are the equivalent of all those times capitalism tried to prevail against feudarchy since the 14th century and failed miserably for 300 years.
Also, try standing in one spot in the same position with your arms up for anywhere from 4 to 10 hours at a time and see how your body feels. Surgeons(of all types)earn their $$$ my friend trust me.
Well those asian miners work under the oppresive capitalist states of former socialist asia. The model of undemocratic capitalism is very popular among the markets, the extensive deregulation of European labour during the European crisis proves that. First it was the PIGS and then the same deregulation of labour starts to happen in France (you can look up the Loitravaille). Well America and every imperialist country can provide a better pay and living standard for the shame job position because it can provide profits for the buisinessmen via stealing resources from other countries. The only reason because a miner can get a liveable wage in USA its because the multinationals that pay that miner have the right to have also mines in Asia or Africa with 1$ per day and no cost for mining the resources of a foreign country, so production costs are not that high and can sustain the myth in the US that we are a great nation that cares about working people.
There may be no slave wages in America but there are wages that cant allow persons to live indepentedly (internships for example).
Yeah but I doubt that a surgeon has the same life threats as a miner. As I said I am against the commercialization of labour and I am against the markets regualting labour upon their needs, I am not against surgeons. Education, work conditions, relocation, shifts etc should be taken account into providing a livable wage at least, and we shouldn't let markets just bartering and trading people like pieces of meat. The point is that many people dont do any job of social value and receive absurd money, I bet you know many examples, wll fuck them, give those money to the minimum wage people.
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You still haven't proven that your main thesis that affecting change in government through voting is *impossible*. All you've done is point out that the system as currently established is corrupt (no duh), not that it's irreversibly corrupt. So excuse us if we don't immediately recognize the superiority of your juvenile, historically unsuported belief system.
It's a shame that you consider people who challenge the status quo and the system which is currently in place as "juvenile". So the ones who conform and limit their thinking to working within the system must be smart, in your eyes?
This makes some pretty good points.
http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/ (http://listverse.com/2013/06/16/10-reasons-why-democracy-doesnt-work/)
People want it to be impossible to change things within the system because it provides an excuse not to do anything. Barack Obama demonstrates what kind of power is possible through electing a particular president regardless of having an obstructionist legislative branch and a fairly conservative judicial branch: i.e. an incredible increase in healthcare, the end of pre-existing conditions, a significant pairing down of USA's various wars, a major increase in employment, a huge expansion in civil rights (due in large part to the Supreme Court, but guess who picks those judges? Presidents, who are elected by people who vote), a renewed acknowledgement of science in our energy policies, and on and on. These are significant changes, and they have been brought about by voting for a particular president. If Romney was president you think any of that shit would have happened? You'd have to be stupid or just a contrarian to claim that.
Furthermore, at local levels, governors and state legislators are making things like prison reform, decriminalization, minimum wage increases, and way more come to be. It wouldn't happen without electing particular people, and those people are elected by people who vote. The argument that voting doesn't matter isn't even superficially interesting, with a minimum of information it is just obviously true.
Sometimes you need to do more though. This is my second weekend day in a month I've spent caucasing instead of skating. I've written letters, made phone calls, for and donated money to Bernie Sanders, because I think he is our best chance for the progression of well being in the middle class, and the beginning of the end of poverty. Voting matters, but participating in our democracy (demos-the people, cratos-the strenght of) is what makes it a democracy. Voting matters, but if you don't participate than you don't matter.
Your phone calls and letters mean absolutely nothing, just your money. That's all it takes to become president now...money. Who can raise the most and who is more popular. The fact that people take this year's charade seriously is mind boggling. Nothing but petty slandering of an opponent and a shit show. Granted, this happens every election, but this one in particular is fucking embarrassing.
Assuming that everything in our "democracy" happens at the will of the people is regular. Any basic knowledge of history and political science proves this wrong. If voting changed anything, it would be illegal...
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I'm sorry, but just repeating yourself over and over is pointless, especially when you are wrong. Voting and civic action has lead, directly and indirectly, to tremendous changes in our society over the last 300 years. You've heard of the civil rights movement right? You think MLK was just paying people off?
From the Emancipation Proclamation, to desegregation, to voter rights, to gay marriage, to reversing racist and inconsistent drug policies, to everything we take for granted as a relatively free society, voting and civic action have been the catalyst. Being an apathetic whiner is one choice, but don't pretend that it's the only choice. Democracy is as strong as the people who participate in it, by definition.
You and I agree that the system is corrupt. We have a slight difference in opinion as regards whether it can be changed. I believe that it can, because it has over and over. We passed laws requiring minimum wages, safe working conditions, weekends. We are passing laws, in cities and states, guaranteeing schedules, raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. That shit is real! It benefits nobody but the working class, it comes at a direct cost to the people you claim hold an irrevocable chokehold on politics, and it only happened because of the hard work of citizens and a turnout of voters. That is what democracy is, and it consistently works. The only obstacle are the people who could participate, but don't participate, that's it.
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I'm sorry, but just repeating yourself over and over is pointless, especially when you are wrong. Voting has lead, directly and indirectly, to tremendous changes in our society over the last 300 years, from the bill of rights, to the criminalization of slavery, to desegregation, to voter rights, to gay marriage, to everything we take for granted as a relatively free society. Be an apathetic whiner, that's your choice, but don't pretend that it's the only choice. Democracy is as strong as the people who participate in it, by definition, it's people like you who weaken it.
You must have forgotten in your outstanding knowledge of history that candidates lost their presidency to the electoral vote, not the popular vote. Plenty of states don't have laws requiring the electoral representatives to honor the popular vote. The electoral college gives unfair advantages to certain states and awards electoral votes in an inconsistent manner. As long as the electoral college exists the popular vote is meaningless. Also, since the system is rigged to benefit the politicians and rich elite anyways, your vote especially doesn't mean shit.
I'm the whiner? You bitch and moan about things you don't like about the world and then make the conscious decision to have blind faith that someone else will take care of it for you. Without government and a centralized form of control, people take matters into their own hands. According to your logic that's juvenile, when in fact it's the complete opposite. It's the most responsible thing to do.
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Yes, you are the whiner. Very specifically, you are the one whining about how there is no way to change anything and my specific, non-whining counter, is that there are many ways. Additionally, you are the one who has blind faith nothing can get done, while I have seen with my own eyes that anything can happen if you work hard enough.
Some laws are shitty and some politicians are terrible and bad things have happened, correct. So go out and do something about it. Campaign for someone or something you believe in, run yourself for a local office and work your way up, write legislature and collect signatures. There are nearly limitless ways to make an actual concrete difference. It's not a coincidence you ignore the dozen causes I listed that have seen progression through democracy. It's because you are very wrong.
While you "bitch and moan" about how there's no way to do anything, we're actually on the street doing it. While you cry about how the system is rigged, we're unrigging the system. We celebrate while you dry your tears.
You can live in your parents basement forever, crying into your keyboard about how nothing is fair, in the meantime we will be making the world a better place. I remember kids like you from when we had to fight to get our local skatepark built, you'd sit there going, "they'll never do it, it's just going to suck anyway." The park is getting built, it's going to be dope, and you won't get to claim one ounce of credit for it.
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I like this guy... Fuck you main.
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Yes, you are the whiner. Very specifically, you are the one whining about how there is no way to change anything and my specific, non-whining counter, is that there are many ways. Additionally, you are the one who has blind faith nothing can get done, while I have seen with my own eyes that anything can happen if you work hard enough.
Some laws are shitty and some politicians are terrible and bad things have happened, correct. So go out and do something about it. Campaign for someone or something you believe in, run yourself for a local office and work your way up, write legislature and collect signatures. There are nearly limitless ways to make an actual concrete difference. It's not a coincidence you ignore the dozen causes I listed that have seen progression through democracy. It's because you are very wrong.
While you "bitch and moan" about how there's no way to do anything, we're actually on the street doing it. While you cry about how the system is rigged, we're unrigging the system. We celebrate while you dry your tears.
You can live in your parents basement forever, crying into your keyboard about how nothing is fair, in the meantime we will be making the world a better place. I remember kids like you from when we had to fight to get our local skatepark built, you'd sit there going, "they'll never do it, it's just going to suck anyway." The park is getting built, it's going to be dope, and you won't get to claim one ounce of credit for it.
I'm not saying NOTHING can be done, I'm saying the system is corrupt beyond repair, therefore it needs to be dismantled. Your statement that I have "blind faith" in nothing makes no sense whatsoever. I like how you completely ignored facts about the electoral college and didn't rebuttal with anything because it's fucking true. You just resorted to ad hominem. Who'd you learn that technique from? I wonder... And where are the dozen causes you listed that democracy is successful?
YOU are in fact limiting the potential for any real change in the world by repeatedly thinking a "representative" will fight for you. Or that you need to climb the latter of hierarchy instead of direct action. If I wanted to build a skate structure, I'd do it myself, and I know plenty of people that would willingly join me. Going and asking someone for permission would be out of the question. That's the spirit of skateboarding.
It's evident you have unrealistic optimism towards our "democracy". Let it go, everything crumbles at some point and we pick up from there to make something better. The problem is there is an incomprehensible amount of things that keep people from truly uniting and fighting the powers that be. The whole two party system and mainstream media loves to perpetuate this.
"Kids like you" "Crying in your mom's basement" -ad hominem. Who's the juvenile one here?
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After a quick google search, there's only been 4 occasions when a candidate won the popular vote but lost the election:
1824-Andrew Jackson won over John Quincy Adams
1876-Samuel Tilden won over Rutherford B. Hayes
1888-Grover Cleveland won over Benjamin Harrison
2000 Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election to George Bush, although Gore likely would have won the electoral college too if the Supreme Court hadn't intervened.
And here's a list of "faithless electors". Not too many instances of it actually happening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#2000_to_present
As kooky as it is, the electoral college only means that certain people's votes may have more influence on the outcome than others - it's not a particularly strong argument for your original claim that everyone's vote is "meaningless". Even then, congressmen and senators are elected based on the popular vote, and they're the ones that actually vote on legislation. The fact that you keep coming back to this just shows that you don't even know how to argue your own point effectively.
You aren't juvenile because you challenge the status quo. You're juvenile because you do so in the most facile, sensationalistic way possible and then call anyone who points out the lack of depth in your arguments a mindless sheep.
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I like this guy... Fuck you main.
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Main, you remind me a lot of this fifteen year old kid who used to come down to my local park a lot who thought he was an expert on politics because he owned a couple Crass albums. You guys make real similar arguments. You're not him, are you?
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Not a strong argument? In a "democracy", the people vote for who they want and believe that person best represents the goals they would like to accomplish. The electoral college says, "nope". Just because it hasn't happened with every election doesn't mean it's not a valid point. But it CAN happen with any election and therefore, that's not a democracy. Not to mention gerrymandering, photo ID and other voter suppression tactics.
We're not a Republic either. A Republic is a form of government in which power resides with the people, and the government is ruled by elected leaders who govern according to laws designed to help citizens. If you believe this definition, it's not a Republic because the elected leaders no longer rule by law or by what their constituents want. Instead, the officials rule by the wishes of corporations and billionaires.
Therefore, the USA is an Oligarchy. Read about the Supreme Court ruling in favor of Citizens United. Money replaced free speech and corporations replaced people. Average people have less rights and less control over the government. While corporations and wealthy donors, along with Wall Street, are free to influence elections, write legislation and destroy the country for their own interests. Basically, America is heading toward Plutocracy and Theocracy, if it's not here already.
But yeah, I learned all this from a fuckin' Crass album. You must not be very good at observing things if you think everything I just said isn't actually happening. But you know...Bernie is going to change everything. Lol...
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Main - post your age and location.
Then please never post again.
All you NEW YAWKERS better be voting for Bernie today.
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Woke up an hour early before work to beat any potential line, voted for Bernie and all his supporting delegates. Saw him at the Long Island City rally last night too. He said largely the same things we've all heard, but I never got tired of clapping.
Side Note/Question: In my semi-frequent comment roaming on Hillary/Bernie's social media pages (guilty pleasure), someone mentioned the scenario of a third party being government funded if they get 5% of the general election vote; most likely I'm restating this incorrectly, but does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to do some independent research into that area, but I'd appreciate any input for the worst-case scenario of Hillary vs Trump. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I'd rather choose to force (incrementally) a third party into the mix as opposed to voting for the lesser of two evils.
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voter suppression in NY now too? well i suppose what did we expect
yet still: i don't align with my anarcho friends in thinking that voting is pointless
cynicism is just not the our chosen approach. in fact, we often feel that it's toxic
so don't make us opponents—we're all in this together really. us against corruption
something similar between us all is that we know the message is spreading
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Main - post your age and location.
Then please never post again.
All you NEW YAWKERS better be voting for Bernie today.
NickDagger, throw your vote in the trash where it belongs.
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voted for bernie earlier!
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Gnar for you ^
I don't get how people are buying into Hilary's bullshit and voting for her, I can't stand to hear her speak for even a few seconds without muting the tv or flipping the channel every thing she says sounds like she's freestyling lies off the top of her dome.
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Yes, you are the whiner. Very specifically, you are the one whining about how there is no way to change anything and my specific, non-whining counter, is that there are many ways. Additionally, you are the one who has blind faith nothing can get done, while I have seen with my own eyes that anything can happen if you work hard enough.
Some laws are shitty and some politicians are terrible and bad things have happened, correct. So go out and do something about it. Campaign for someone or something you believe in, run yourself for a local office and work your way up, write legislature and collect signatures. There are nearly limitless ways to make an actual concrete difference. It's not a coincidence you ignore the dozen causes I listed that have seen progression through democracy. It's because you are very wrong.
While you "bitch and moan" about how there's no way to do anything, we're actually on the street doing it. While you cry about how the system is rigged, we're unrigging the system. We celebrate while you dry your tears.
You can live in your parents basement forever, crying into your keyboard about how nothing is fair, in the meantime we will be making the world a better place. I remember kids like you from when we had to fight to get our local skatepark built, you'd sit there going, "they'll never do it, it's just going to suck anyway." The park is getting built, it's going to be dope, and you won't get to claim one ounce of credit for it.
I'm not saying NOTHING can be done, I'm saying the system is corrupt beyond repair, therefore it needs to be dismantled. Your statement that I have "blind faith" in nothing makes no sense whatsoever. I like how you completely ignored facts about the electoral college and didn't rebuttal with anything because it's fucking true. You just resorted to ad hominem. Who'd you learn that technique from? I wonder... And where are the dozen causes you listed that democracy is successful?
YOU are in fact limiting the potential for any real change in the world by repeatedly thinking a "representative" will fight for you. Or that you need to climb the latter of hierarchy instead of direct action. If I wanted to build a skate structure, I'd do it myself, and I know plenty of people that would willingly join me. Going and asking someone for permission would be out of the question. That's the spirit of skateboarding.
It's evident you have unrealistic optimism towards our "democracy". Let it go, everything crumbles at some point and we pick up from there to make something better. The problem is there is an incomprehensible amount of things that keep people from truly uniting and fighting the powers that be. The whole two party system and mainstream media loves to perpetuate this.
"Kids like you" "Crying in your mom's basement" -ad hominem. Who's the juvenile one here?
Electoral colleges only apply to presidential elections. That means that governors, senators, congresspeople at the state and federal level, mayors, and city council members are all elected directly by voters. In addition, all legislation on all ballots are determined directly by voters. This is how (here's that dozen you asked for) emancipation, civil rights, suffrage, desegregation, expanded health care coverage, increased minimum wage, safe working conditions, progressive tax policies, increased environmental regulations, mandatory family leave, progressive education policy,increased financial sector oversight, reformed criminal justice, reduced unnecessary military activity, expansion of civil rights to LGBTQ have all seen progress at the local and federal level in just the last few years.
My bad, that's 16. 4 freebies. There's shitloads more too though.
Democracy works great, so long as people participate. Did you know you can run for office yourself? Yup. The powers that be, the system that is so rigged, are so thankful that you won't though. What they want is for you to succumb to cynicism, to be sure that nothing will ever change, to demand it's the case, to just give in. That's their whole plan. You ever wonder why people with lots of money and power are desperately trying to make it harder to vote? It's because it's dangerous to their way of life. So when someone just says, "it's stupid to vote, may as well just throw it in the trash, nothing will ever change." that's music to their ears. So good job Main, you are the poster boy for the system. You are the one working the hardest to make it the case that they stay in power and that, in the beautiful circularity of self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing ever changes.
Your argument has no substance, and there is zero evidence for your claims. The evidence that voting matters and democracy works, slowly but surely, is overwhelming. It's astoundingly clear. I bet you think of yourself as a rational person, if so it's time to face the fact that you are wrong. Democracy will welcome you with open arms whenever you are ready.
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Electoral colleges only apply to presidential elections. That means that governors, senators, congresspeople at the state and federal level, mayors, and city council members are all elected directly by voters. In addition, all legislation on all ballots are determined directly by voters. This is how (here's that dozen you asked for) emancipation, civil rights, suffrage, desegregation, expanded health care coverage, increased minimum wage, safe working conditions, progressive tax policies, increased environmental regulations, mandatory family leave, progressive education policy,increased financial sector oversight, reformed criminal justice, reduced unnecessary military activity, expansion of civil rights to LGBTQ have all seen progress at the local and federal level in just the last few years.
My bad, that's 16. 4 freebies. There's shitloads more too though.
Democracy works great, so long as people participate. Did you know you can run for office yourself? Yup. The powers that be, the system that is so rigged, are so thankful that you won't though. What they want is for you to succumb to cynicism, to be sure that nothing will ever change, to demand it's the case, to just give in. That's their whole plan. You ever wonder why people with lots of money and power are desperately trying to make it harder to vote? It's because it's dangerous to their way of life. So when someone just says, "it's stupid to vote, may as well just throw it in the trash, nothing will ever change." that's music to their ears. So good job Main, you are the poster boy for the system. You are the one working the hardest to make it the case that they stay in power and that, in the beautiful circularity of self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing ever changes.
Your argument has no substance, and there is zero evidence for your claims. The evidence that voting matters and democracy works, slowly but surely, is overwhelming. It's astoundingly clear. I bet you think of yourself as a rational person, if so it's time to face the fact that you are wrong. Democracy will welcome you with open arms whenever you are ready.
Your warm and snuggly idea of democracy is cute. Nearly all of those you listed are fading as each year passes. The oligarchs actually love people like you who play the game they rigged in their own favor. It keeps you docile with an "I voted durrrr" sticker on your shirt. Plenty of local politicians throughout history and current ones go along with the corruption, they're almost never held responsible. They just get letters written to them and it goes directly into the paper shredder. Blagojevich was just a person and got sloppy.
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No one for president, please.
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No one for president, please.
i second the motion
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yes, fuck this fucking world, fuck everyone, fuck you, too.
The Big Lebowski: Nihilists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5J_kao6mwA#)
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Nobody gives a fuck.
I always thought that the two party system the US have is fucked. Here we have like 6 parties in the parliament and one of them is straight communist. It's great to have the option. Though people have the no vote attitude here too mainly because of disappointment after the betrayal of SYRIZA. Well I respect people who dont vote but they are out in the streets fighting for what's right and trying to change society.However most of those non-voters are idiots who just try to sound intellectual and edgy and all they do is nothing except contributing to non-sense noise coming out of the internet
Calling them idiots is not coincidence
An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). "Idiot" originally referred to "layman, person lacking professional skill", "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning". Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable. "Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term "idiot" shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are "stupid". According to the Bauer-Danker Lexicon, the noun ίδιωτής in ancient Greek meant "civilian" (ref Josephus Bell 2 178), "private citizen" (ref sb 3924 9 25), "private soldier as opposed to officer," (Polybius 1.69), "relatively unskilled, not clever," (Herodotus 2,81 and 7 199).[7] The military connotation in Bauer's definition stems from the fact that ancient Greek armies in the time of total war mobilized all male citizens (to the age of 50) to fight, and many of these citizens tended to fight poorly and ignorantly.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
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yowza lol www.youtube.com/watch?v=N04futpI7pc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N04futpI7pc#)
basing your vote on speculation about witchcraft is always a good thing
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:D :D :D
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If Trump does win, and kicks out a fuckload of illegals and stops anymore from coming, wont that basically cause every industry in the US to collapse ? especially anything food related?
not super informed on Trump but isn't that his idea basically? if it is i'm guessing he is lying about it to get elected because that would actually completely fuck the country
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If Trump does win, and kicks out a fuckload of illegals and stops anymore from coming, wont that basically cause every industry in the US to collapse ? especially anything food related?
not super informed on Trump but isn't that his idea basically? if it is i'm guessing he is lying about it to get elected because that would actually completely fuck the country
At this point I'm almost convinced that would be better than if he's indeed trolling the United States. Reason being is that it seems everyone in the country is so brainwashed that something like this needs to happen for people to say, "yeah, we actually do need to rethink our system as well as our values because we just royally fucked ourselves".
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Trump is wildly inconsistent in most of his statements it stands to reason to not believe any of his promises. I bet he would be the biggest pawn for the "behind the scenes" financial players there is (especially since his personal wealth is his biggest pride, so he's bound to want to increase it).
All politicians with radically different view that are not totalitarian have to face the reality of support from congress etc. and one lunatic like him cannot change the political game much.
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If Trump does win, and kicks out a fuckload of illegals and stops anymore from coming, wont that basically cause every industry in the US to collapse ? especially anything food related?
not super informed on Trump but isn't that his idea basically? if it is i'm guessing he is lying about it to get elected because that would actually completely fuck the country
Historically no xenephobe political force that came to power actually kicked illegals or immigrants. They pretend to do so and what they actually create is a group of afraid people who would work for way less, without any rights and will be tottally dependent on their boss. Basically it is a way of having hidden slaves. Well there is also the Nazi route where you just detain them in concentration camps and work for free in the industry, but that needs balls.
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cruz of campaign, on spousal abuse. ;D
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cruz wasn't lying when he said he'd go out swinging.
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Unless Hilary is indicted for all the shit she's pulled Trump may well be our next president. I also heard that if Hilary is indicted the DNC will select Biden as the candidate, ultimately shitting on everyone who voted for Bernie. At this point Bernie is just a catalyst for change but will not get the chance to be the change.
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Kasich out as well. Some top republicans are burning their party registration cards ::). They did this to themselves. When your party focuses on things you should be terrified of, but fail to offer any solutions, don't be surprised when the people you've been duping want the guy who says he's actually gonna do something.
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prepare your visa's boys
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cruz wasn't lying when he said he'd go out swinging.
Damn it. I have a bruised rib and a cracked collarbone, so when I say this post had me dying, I'm only slightly exaggerating.
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Canada gets legal weed and the US gets Trump...
Really though that sucks, and is a pretty embarrassing thing for all the millions of cool Americans, you guys deserve better, hopefully he loses
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Canada gets legal weed and the US gets Trump...
Really though that sucks, and is a pretty embarrassing thing for all the millions of cool Americans, you guys deserve better, hopefully he loses
Don't know if Hillary is much less embarrassing
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Watched this piece yesterday on the erosion of American democracy, pretty disturbing
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKALFKMRoNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKALFKMRoNk#)
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I'm genuinely bummed that one these imbeciles is gonna take over the country. WTF man
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cruz wasn't lying when he said he'd go out swinging.
same thing happened to me recently when I had a bruised rib except I was reading about bruised rib symptoms, and one of them was pain when breathing deeply, twisting, or laughing. for some reason, at that moment, the thought of laughter causing more pain was hilarious and I couldn't stop laughing. and the website had a drawing of a man holding his side and grimacing in pain, which made it even funnier.
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I'm genuinely bummed that one these imbeciles is gonna take over the country. WTF man
agreed.
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lot's of confusion in this thread about the difference between what a candidate says they will try to do and what is actually possible. no walls are going to be built, no one's rounding up millions of immigrants and no one is doubling the taxes on the rich to pay for college tuition. the candidates are mostly saying "wouldn't it be nice if...". unless what they are describing is only a small change from where we are, it's not happening. progress is a slow thing.
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Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff // Empire_File022 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg#)
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Walker's pissed...
This is really sad though. How is it that both of the worst candidates are gonna win this year? Maybe democracy isn't really the best
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Walker's pissed...
This is really sad though. How is it that both of the worst candidates are gonna win this year? Maybe democracy isn't really the best
The fucked thing is that might be what "they" want you to think
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it's not democracy when $$$ is the deciding factor.
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hillary is a big favorite in Vegas. Trump isn't winning, sure he had fun though
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Trump embodies the worst of America. He's like what people living in Peshawar imagine all Americans are like and it paints an even bigger target on our backs.
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Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff // Empire_File022 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg#)
I'm sure Richard Wolff is a smart man, but I don't really get the point he is trying to make at 10:30 when he talks about the workers not being able to buy the stuff from the capitalists with their wages. At my job, a hedge fund manager will pay up to $200,000 to speak to institutional investors at one of our conferences. I don't get enough money to buy this product, but my boss isn't worried about that because he understands I am not a hedge fund manager.
At my previous job at a fund-of-funds, the minimum capital commitment needed to buy into our product was $5 million. Same non-issue. Hedge funds generally can only sell their products to investors with at least $1 million in assets and $250,000 in yearly income, so they can't sell to the working class by law. Even if you are employed by the person you are buying something from, you are not going to pay more than you half to under the assumption that the money will get back into your pocket.
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Hillary is a money grubbing Jew?
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Nice racism there...
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Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff // Empire_File022 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg#)
I'm sure Richard Wolff is a smart man, but I don't really get the point he is trying to make at 10:30 when he talks about the workers not being able to buy the stuff from the capitalists with their wages. At my job, a hedge fund manager will pay up to $200,000 to speak to institutional investors at one of our conferences. I don't get enough money to buy this product, but my boss isn't worried about that because he understands I am not a hedge fund manager.
At my previous job at a fund-of-funds, the minimum capital commitment needed to buy into our product was $5 million. Same non-issue. Hedge funds generally can only sell their products to investors with at least $1 million in assets and $250,000 in yearly income, so they can't sell to the working class by law. Even if you are employed by the person you are buying something from, you are not going to pay more than you half to under the assumption that the money will get back into your pocket.
Dude are you joking or you only grasp your own microcosm of hedge fund world.
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Trump is flip-flopping on his tax plan. Now he proposes raising taxes on the wealthy and also supports a minimum wage increase. Thankfully he waited until Cruz was out of the picture to let it out. I'm eagerly awaiting for the "wait, you really thought I could build a wall??" revelation.
Trump is awesome. Most of us already knew that his supporters were idiots, but I believe there's actually a chance that he'll make his supporters realize how fucking stupid they actually are. Suckers who'll fall for anything.
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^Yah, he's SAYING that but he's fucking lying. (
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Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff // Empire_File022 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg#)
I'm sure Richard Wolff is a smart man, but I don't really get the point he is trying to make at 10:30 when he talks about the workers not being able to buy the stuff from the capitalists with their wages. At my job, a hedge fund manager will pay up to $200,000 to speak to institutional investors at one of our conferences. I don't get enough money to buy this product, but my boss isn't worried about that because he understands I am not a hedge fund manager.
At my previous job at a fund-of-funds, the minimum capital commitment needed to buy into our product was $5 million. Same non-issue. Hedge funds generally can only sell their products to investors with at least $1 million in assets and $250,000 in yearly income, so they can't sell to the working class by law. Even if you are employed by the person you are buying something from, you are not going to pay more than you half to under the assumption that the money will get back into your pocket.
Dude are you joking or you only grasp your own microcosm of hedge fund world.
I'm not joking. My point is that employees =/= customers. Saying that a capitalist doesn't pay his workers enough to buy back the products he sells is like saying that I'm not paying my landlord enough to get a raise.
If a capitalist has a problem selling his goods, he lowers the price or improves the product so that it commands a higher price. If the problem is that his workers can't buy his goods, he offers an employee discount. He's not going to pay his workers more and hope that they buy his product, because they may go to buy goods from a competing capitalist with their improved wages, and people that don't work for that capitalist will still have a problem buying his goods.
On a macroeconomic level, total goods and services sold equals total goods and services bought. Prices are flexible over the long run. I don't really get this argument at all, unless it's specifically referring to a factory town.
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It's not an unheard of concept...
"It's widely believed that Henry Ford also upped wages to expand his market — paying employees enough to buy the cars they made. While that wasn't Ford's main motivation, it was a welcome byproduct, and a game changer, says University of California, Berkeley, labor economist Harley Shaiken.
"What that gave us was an industrial middle class, and an economy that was driven by consumer demand," Shaiken says."
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/27/267145552/the-middle-class-took-off-100-years-ago-thanks-to-henry-ford (http://www.npr.org/2014/01/27/267145552/the-middle-class-took-off-100-years-ago-thanks-to-henry-ford)
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I'm not joking. My point is that employees =/= customers. Saying that a capitalist doesn't pay his workers enough to buy back the products he sells is like saying that I'm not paying my landlord enough to get a raise.
Wo0t? On a bigger picture were you team up capitalists as owners or part owners of means of production and employees as working class. Yes the 2nd team is customer and employee of the 1st team. Do that and watch the video again.
If a capitalist has a problem selling his goods, he lowers the price or improves the product so that it commands a higher price. If the problem is that his workers can't buy his goods, he offers an employee discount. He's not going to pay his workers more and hope that they buy his product, because they may go to buy goods from a competing capitalist with their improved wages, and people that don't work for that capitalist will still have a problem buying his goods.
yeah but lowering the price means lowering cost and wages are the biggest part of that cost. And of course you resort to this when you cant improve the product anymore. This becomes a trend because of competition, if one lowers the price the next capitalist has to do the same. However when you think in a global manner as I pointed out in first quote, you have employees with crappier consumer capability and this creates more problems for capitalists as well as they dont see much profit in their endeavours and dont invest as much in consumer goods they prefer stocks, bonds and other bullshit that dont create jobs and wages for the working class team. This brings crisis, unemployment, poverty etc. Of course they cant raise wages because there would be much less profit for the capitalists and further reason to not invest. i acknowledge this I am not some bs social democrat with no clue in economics. This is one of the fundamental contradictions of capitalism when the inevitable fall in rate of profits happens as marx described in the fuckin 19th century and has happened a lot of times since then.
On a macroeconomic level, total goods and services sold equals total goods and services bought. Prices are flexible over the long run. I don't really get this argument at all, unless it's specifically referring to a factory town.
Yeah but that total is shrinking while population is getting bigger. Why? Because the wages got lower and now people cant buy services and goods as they used to so the capitalists prefer to invest in counter-productive economy than consumer goods.
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Capitalist don't have to sell to the lower or middle classes. My whole point is that who you are giving money to is not necessarily the same as who you are getting money from.
And capitalist profit ends up in corporate pension funds and public pension funds, since fiduciaries invest on behalf of the pensioners. Almost everybody with savings invests since you need a 3% rate of return (in the US) just to keep the money that you earned from being eroded by inflation, so it doesn't make much sense to keep your savings in cash. You don't have to start a business to earn a rate of return on your money, you can simply buy an index fund. I don't really get how stocks and bonds are "bullshit" because that's simply how growing companies finance themselves through equity and debt respectively. I also don't see a falling rate of profit at all.
And although the total has been shrinking in Greece:
(http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/blog-uploads/2012/11/real-gdp-per-capita.png)
On a global level the total has not been shrinking:
(http://krusekronicle.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b14d69e20105362d6456970c-400wi)
(http://www.worldeconomics.com/Images/CMS/LoadedContent/Papers/WE/7c66ffca-ff86-4e4c-979d-7c5d7a22ef21_201603_C01.jpg)
You claim the total amount of goods and services is shrinking on a global level, where are you getting your data from?
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EDIT: its GDP i see..... well that might be true but not for incomes. i live in germany and per capita income is on the rise, albeit because we have a lot of filthy rich motherfuckers here.
most people up to 35 y actually get less and less money. people that make filthy amounts of money make much more now, they just got better at fucking us over. the gains on the side of the rich fuckers actually counter out the losses on the side of the younger and poorer.
last time i read an article about it, it said our super rich got a lot more rich, while lots of more people have jobs now that get paid really shitty tho. the middle class in germany is going nowhere. you think you can make money here with a STEM degree good fucking luck, you will be a barista soon.
i have a lot of friends with degrees, finished apprenticeships, several years of professional experience, most of them struggle to find a job at all that pays adequately, in the city at least. i have managed several stores, i was several times the boss of different teams at different workplaces. i never made so much money that i think i could feed a family, no way. i couldn't buy a fucking car even if my damn life dependent on it. and i make more money than some of my friends. most of them have studied years and paid thousands for it and the best most of them can hope for is a 6 month contract. literally no one i know has plans to have a family, for most it's not financially possible. we all try to get better jobs and payment all the time. thing i hear the most is that the company just can't pay more. like impossible, no way never will we pay anyone, even the smartest man in the fucking universe, that much, even if he makes the best coffee, has the most handsome dick and shit, for that position. meanwhile these rich fuckers at VW and the like bust shit up and get payed out still... if i fuck up work i will get fired, and no one will give me shit else. that is screwed.
the only people i know making money are friends that went into finance to become accountants and analysts. and they are equally detached like you. one of them invited me to his 30th birthday. when he laid out the plan i had to say sorry, but i can't come. shit was too expensive. i would have had to spend close to 400,- to come to his fucking birthday. no fucking way. but that's how he rolls now. he didn't understand, asking how money could be an issue. 400,- is a shitload of money for me, that's almost a month of rent for my room. dude doesn't need to live for rent, he has his own bigass flat now. i'm not even envious about this, it's just that he and people like you don't really know how fucked people are. you whip out charts and numbers as if they were dicks in a measuring contest and you say, look, it's fine!! but these charts don't represent what "regular" people have.
MISSED TOPIC COMPLETELY, WHOOPS, BUT THERE YOU GO.
MAKE AFGHANISTAN GREAT AGAIN!
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So my plan to move to the Philippines got all fucked up with the election of Duterte. There's no way in fuck I'm heading there now. My wife has family in Winnipeg though, so that's our other option.
I just mailed in my ballot with the line connected for Bernie.
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So my plan to move to the Philippines got all fucked up with the election of Duterte. There's no way in fuck I'm heading there now. My wife has family in Winnipeg though, so that's our other option.
I just mailed in my ballot with the line connected for Bernie.
Hahaha winnipeg might be even shittier. Just kidding but its got a fuckin amazing skatepark in the forks.
US politics are fucked. I hope sanders wins, hillary goes to prison and trump just fuckin vanishes or some shit
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This attack on a female Trump supporter was freaking brutal: https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738559069737222144
Some people on the left are being counterproductive in their protests.
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This attack on a female Trump supporter was freaking brutal: https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738559069737222144
Some people on the left are being counterproductive in their protests.
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Some people on the left are being counterproductive in their protests.
so these violent criminals are offended that trump referred to them as violent criminals? protesters are the worst. they should just make it illegal. they're annoying and don't change anything
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This attack on a female Trump supporter was freaking brutal: https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738559069737222144
Some people on the left are being counterproductive in their protests.
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This attack on a female Trump supporter was freaking brutal: https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/738559069737222144
Some people on the left are being counterproductive in their protests.
I hope that was a joke???
you like these pesty protesters that sucker punch people?
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
just face it....protesters are normally lame ass hipsters trying to get on camera. then a bunch of reckless people decide to go just to have fun fucking things up. they threw fire at police horses, and pushed dumpsters in to them at the new mexico rally. what have they done at trump rallies besides make themselves look bad? when do they change anything? if they knew they could be arrested just for protesting most of this crap would be avoided
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Yeah and what often happens in those kind of authoritarian societies? massacres, death squads, secret police, gulags and often ultimately civil war, revolution or the collapse of the state. The right to protest is one of the pillars of modern democracy and it's that way for a reason. If you feel that way whatever, but it's not going to change anytime soon, and if you get into politics to try to change it I don't think you would have much success.
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
So these people who went and broke laws (they threw fire at police horses, and pushed dumpsters in to them), would not have broken these laws if we made another law that made them just being there a violation? Yeah, that's probably right, just like how trespassing laws stop criminals from breaking and entering, and burglarizing homes.
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
yeah those guys would casually push dumpsters in to horses and throw fire at them just walking down the street on a normal day....... they obviously feel safe in numbers. sometimes you guys side with the dumbest shit on here.
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
The dumbest shit, like Amendment I [Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition (1791)]
You honestly think people willing to assault police officers would not assemble if assembly were illegal?
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The police frequently dress in all black and start burning cop cars/ provoking the crowd...Atleast in Canada that's how they do it
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dude... do you like skaters who punch people? no? want to ban skating?. To ban people from gathering and saying stuff you don't or maybe even do like is extremely fucked up(like China fucked up), and yes violent protesting is already illegal, but not because of the protesting part, but because assault and destruction of property are illegal in general.
You honestly think people willing to assault police officers would not assemble if assembly were illegal?
if they were arrested on sight the majority of them wouldn't show up. these laws are made to minimize crime, not eliminate it.
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MAKE PROTESTING ILLEGAL!
NO MORE GATHERING IN THE STREETS!
INSTANTLY JAIL ANYONE WHO OPPOSES ANYTHING!
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MAKE PROTESTING ILLEGAL!
NO MORE GATHERING IN THE STREETS!
INSTANTLY JAIL ANYONE WHO OPPOSES ANYTHING!
they do often block off streets slowing down traffic. another valid reason, thanks!
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WallieD voting for Bernie confirmed
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The 1999 Seattle WTO protests were probably the last ones that went far enough to accomplish something even in the slightest in USA. Now "protests" are just people running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Hardly any organization, no goals set prior, no real justice happening as a result. Peaceful protest also accomplishes diddly shit in today's society. Any organization that goes underground eventually gets infiltrated by one of the two terror organizations (FBI or CIA) and is dismantled.
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.. And the average american will line right up to get a chip installed in their forehead, they won't see a problem with that either. Protesters are the annoying people from everyones highschool class so fuck em, right?. Anything that stands out should get cut down. People will give up freedom after freedom simply when it's suggested by authority.
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you are the dumbest shit
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.. And the average american will line right up to get a chip installed in their forehead, they won't see a problem with that either. Protesters are the annoying people from everyones highschool class so fuck em, right?. Anything that stands out should get cut down. People will give up freedom after freedom simply when it's suggested by authority.
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Ralph Nader has the best insight into this bullshit.
Ralph Nader: Sanders Should Stay in Democratic Race, Is Only Losing Due to Anti-Democratic System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPapfQ6yI3U#)
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.. And the average american will line right up to get a chip installed in their forehead, they won't see a problem with that either. Protesters are the annoying people from everyones highschool class so fuck em, right?. Anything that stands out should get cut down. People will give up freedom after freedom simply when it's suggested by authority.
Here's another one:
"Fear of serious injury alone cannot justify oppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears."
(https://mstartzman.pbworks.com/f/louis%20brandeis.jpg)
(That's Louis D. Brandeis, a former supreme court justice).
Btw, have you ever actually been to a protest? Maybe attending one would be good to either confirm or deny your theory that participatory democracy is only for self-absorbed hipsters.
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if you support Trump, fuck you.
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if you support Trump, fuck you.
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I honestly think that a lot of people in the US would vote for a national socialist party at this point, which would run on a campaign of ending dissent and democracy to preserve the well being of the "body national" and persecution or certain ethnic groups "to restore the US to is historical greatness". The fucking irony...
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I honestly think that a lot of people in the US would vote for a national socialist party at this point, which would run on a campaign of ending dissent and democracy to preserve the well being of the "body national" and persecution or certain ethnic groups "to restore the US to is historical greatness". The fucking irony...
That's Trump my man.
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if you support Trump, fuck you.
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Considered posting this in the Libtard thread.
Bernie Sanders answers a question on whether staying in the race is sexist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFb3iyh2W4Y#)
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Make it stop! ^^^
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Well, I'm fucking terrified for the future. How about you guys?
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Oh yeah we're fucked ^
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Well, I'm fucking terrified for the future. How about you guys?
After that fucking speech. Holy shit if the gets the top seat in jan. The entire world is fucked!
I could see the purge becoming a real thing in his first term!
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(https://mstartzman.pbworks.com/f/louis%20brandeis.jpg)
(That's Louis D. Brandeis, a former supreme court justice).
Louis D Brandeis looks like an older version of cross breed Suciu+Mc Entire
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I'm pretty convinced at this point that Trump has been bought or will get bought by Washington. This whole "outsider" thing is a performance and a farce, kinda like with Obama. Look at the people Trump is picking for staff (Pence - VP; Mnuchin - Treasury). They are all Washington establishment type people. The only real outsiders are candidates like Johnson or Stein who have no chance of becoming president. All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
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All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
Yup. It's all strategically planned and everyone is in the puppet masters' pockets.
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idk if it's true or not, but John Kasich said that Trump's son contacted him and asked him to be Trump's VP, and told Kasich that he would be "the most powerful VP in the history of the country"
Kasich said no, Trumps deny ever asking.
So I think Trump doesn't really want to be president, at least not in any other capacity than the image of the president.
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All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
Yup. It's all strategically planned and everyone is in the puppet masters' pockets.
Funny thing is more people are more interested in playing Pokemon Go than going out to vote this election
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All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
Yup. It's all strategically planned and everyone is in the puppet masters' pockets.
Funny thing is more people are more interested in playing Pokemon Go than going out to vote this election
There's all sorts of distractions to keep people blinded from the truth. Not that voting would make a difference though. We need to just start nuking each other already and get wiped out cause humans are a failed experiment.
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All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
Yup. It's all strategically planned and everyone is in the puppet masters' pockets.
Funny thing is more people are more interested in playing Pokemon Go than going out to vote this election
Overall...America is fucked.
What are you all gonna do when shit hits the fan?
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Sanders got shafted.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/07/23/newest-wikileaks-email-dump-proves-dnc-officials-colluded-to-secure-clinton-nomination/ (http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/07/23/newest-wikileaks-email-dump-proves-dnc-officials-colluded-to-secure-clinton-nomination/)
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"The emails go a long way to prove just how broken the electoral college system is, a system that relies on delegates, not the popular vote, to nominate presidential candidates. In what most of us sensed was a rigged system all along, WikiLeaks blowing the cover off of collusion to secure a Clinton nomination should surprise no one."
Where's the idiot who was trying to argue our "democracy" is working?
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cracks in the illusion of u.s. democracy continue to grow. not to worry, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a patcher.
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some people say American democracy ended with the JFK assassination. sounds plausible.
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This election has been rigged since they wouldn't let Waka Flocka run
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All this election stuff is like pro wrestling to fool the masses.
Yup. It's all strategically planned and everyone is in the puppet masters' pockets.
Funny thing is more people are more interested in playing Pokemon Go than going out to vote this election
Hillary has got to be leaning on Niantic to get a bunch of rare Pokemons hiding near polling booths on election day.
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"The emails go a long way to prove just how broken the electoral college system is, a system that relies on delegates, not the popular vote, to nominate presidential candidates. In what most of us sensed was a rigged system all along, WikiLeaks blowing the cover off of collusion to secure a Clinton nomination should surprise no one."
Where's the idiot who was trying to argue our "democracy" is working?
cause the republican establishment really was cheating the system to get trump. and obama beating clinton, definitely something the democratic establishment rigged...
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Democracy is a stupid idea anyway let's be honest.
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you guys could apologize and join the commonwealth? #trendwatchbrexit is gonna be big this year
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What a shit show. I will begrudgingly vote for Hillary, because I would like some kind of future worth living for my son. It's either minor social victories and a hint of progress with an unlikable, corrupt harpie or staring in to the abyss with Trump. I choose the harpie.
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This election has been rigged since they wouldn't let Waka Flocka run
Ill take someone under 35 than a reality tv star
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on election day we should have a poll for the gipper vs sinclair
also fuck politics jail is for cops
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It's just a straight up global reality tv show at this point. Is it really an election anymore? I mean, the choice you're given is between gonorrhea or chlamydia except neither girl is very attractive and you don't have the option to wear a condom. You're not being denied sex but do you even care about getting laid at that point?
Trump is a buffoon. He's got the hair of a little lego man with a stupid chubby, bunched up face. What he's doing is toxic for the country as to making people feel justified in their outspoken racism and bigotry. However, it's also insanely toxic for the political parties which is a good thing in that they're being exposed. They always say the same thing about fixing the education system, helping the poor, and so on but back out when the option comes to fill their pockets.
Now we have this guy up there who out of nowhere just blurts out, "Mexicans are raping everyone!". Immediately I wonder how the hell this guy is able to stand up there with the rest of them but am damn sure curious what stupid thing he'll say next. I'm not saying that I'll vote for him but if he gets elected, on the bright side, he won't be able to get anything done. There's a system of checks and balances for which both sides hate him. At the end of those four years maybe the two parties would realized they did this and have to really get their shit together. We'd have four years of Donald Trump calling Kim Jung-on a chink and telling Vladimir Putin to cover up his bologna nipples.
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^what's so bad about Hillary?
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^what's so bad about Hillary?
Hillary is a warmonger. Don't be fooled by her identity politics rhetoric at home. Her main objective is to carry out the foreign policy of the neocons who are in her camp now. Neocons like Donald Kagan, who was a major architect of the Iraq War, are pushing for more global conflict. They operate under the philosophy that the entire world should be made in the image of Western liberal democracy and that violent American interventions are justifiable in the pursuit of this. Do you think the world would be better off now if we hadn't done Iraq part 2? I sure do. It's not America's job to overthrow world governments.
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^ Along with that will be the usual daily activities of the CIA creating and funding secret wars around the world using our tax dollars and revenue from the drug war.
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http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec (http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec)
http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/soawhinsec-grads/notorious-grads (http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/soawhinsec-grads/notorious-grads)
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I mean, the choice you're given is between gonorrhea or chlamydia except neither girl is very attractive and you don't have the option to wear a condom. You're not being denied sex but do you even care about getting laid at that point?
cover up his bologna nipples.
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I don't think toppling Sadam was such a bad thing and that's what she voted for when she voted to enter Iraq 2. She didn't vote for disbanding the Iraqi National army after Sadam and the total incompetence and bad choices that followed the invasion. If it's not America's job to attempt to bring stability to the world who's job is it? The UN doesn't do shit. I think many countries depend on us playing that role. You cannot say if the world is in a better state without Iraq 2 because we have no idea what would've happened in the region after 13 more years of Sadam. Sure maybe IS wouldn't exist, but the region completely unraveling seemed to be just a matter of time .
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The Middle East was more stable with Saddam in power. He provided the right balance between all the different religious groups there. After Iraq 2 is when the region's unraveling became a certain thing. Obama might have hastened the process but it was gonna happen, and it was actually by design. Israel wants the surrounding region to be balkanized for easier growth of its territory there.
America should never have gone in the first place under the false pretext of WMD. The neocons who helped start that whole process are big time Hillary supporters now. Look at this article by Robert Kagan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html)
This guy went from being a Republican conservative to a Democrat who cares about women and minorities. The hypocrisy, and duplicity, is astounding. He doesn't support Trump because Trump will not be a good little ally like Hillary. Robert Kagan's dad helped plan the second Iraq War and he believes in the exact same policies. And these guys do not like Russia either. Hillary in office means more war, perpetually.
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The way I look at it is I'm not voting FOR Hillary, I'm voting AGAINST Trump supporters, who are pretty much the worst people in this country.
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I'm so tired of people just siding with "their" party. It's like everyone in this country's brain has a pyramid scheme that looks something like family>religion>political party>guns>favorite sports team. Family is important, sure, but your dad raping you is demented. Just because he's your dad doesn't make it right. For some people there comes a point where you have to realize your family is super fucked up. In the USA, this is a realization everyone who identifies as a democrat or republican needs to accept.
Hillary grew up the wealthy daughter of a textile factory owner, went to elite schools, and married the smart kid from the poor side of things (Bill Clinton). So she has been using his rags-to-riches grew-up-poor street cred for a long time, despite never being poor herself. She claims to relate on so many issues I just don't think she can and that's why she flip flops on so many issues.
Hillary was embroiled in an investment scandal in 1978-1979 where a $1,000 investment she made paid out $100,000 after 8 months in the market after what the American Journal of Economics called a "1 in 31 Trillion odds of doing so successfully without breaking insider trading laws". Of course Hillary, the wife of the Governor of Arkansas, never got convicted of anything. This is just the beginning for her.
She supported the War in Iraq, the invasion of Libya, NAFTA and TPP, and of course because she is totally bought and sold by special interests. She and her husband have been paid millions and millions by global corporations and powerful interests who will control her every decision. Every decision she makes has and will be bought. There's her email scandal to which she will not be prosecuted and then as soon as the DNC emails leak she hires Wasserman-Schultz to be a lead in her campaign. If the message wasn't there before it definitely is now. That message is, "Corrupt is okay as long as it benefits me. You can be corrupt too, in fact you'll be rewarded, just so long as it benefits me".
To be fair, Hillary has definitely done a lot and in the past has been progressive but her morals weren't that to prevent her from turning to the dark side extremely fast. Can you blame her? That's just the way the system works. Millions of dollars get thrown at you instantly to vote in the interests of greed. We need someone who's going to actually change it or just totally fuck it up and piss each party off. Then, on one end, I think most American's are probably like Donald Trump. They're like, "This guy...he likes guns! He likes money! He seems like he doesn't know how to read and neither can I!". I'm definitely not voting for Trump but then I'm probably not going to vote for Hillary either. Honestly, I'll probably go with Jill Stein.
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The way I look at it is I'm not voting FOR Hillary, I'm voting AGAINST Trump supporters, who are pretty much the worst people in this country.
Thats stupid. Just dont vote and let it play out naturally. Do you know the percentage of people you see at rallys on T.V., on either side, is a very small percentage of voters, because most people arent out yelling their opinions on the street. Only idiots do that.
Voting against trump supporters is just as bad as trump supporters. Im not voting because I dont want my hand in any of that. Ill let the emotional people and normal people who support someone place their bets.
Ima just smoke this blunt.
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I don't really like Hillary too much but we cannot have Trump as our President. The guy is completely out of his mind. He just said this today at a speech about the DNC.
"You know what I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard," Trump said. "I would have hit them. No, no. I was going to hit them, I was all set and then I got a call from a highly respected governor." This is a potential president saying these things. If you can't handle someone criticizing you, why are you running for president? You can't hit people.
This added to other things he has said. Culture trickles down. We need a guy who espouses proper values and is someone who can inspire good in people.
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I don't really like Hillary too much but we cannot have Trump as our President. The guy is completely out of his mind. He just said this today at a speech about the DNC.
"You know what I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard," Trump said. "I would have hit them. No, no. I was going to hit them, I was all set and then I got a call from a highly respected governor." This is a potential president saying these things. If you can't handle someone criticizing you, why are you running for president? You can't hit people.
This added to other things he has said. Culture trickles down. We need a guy who espouses proper values and is someone who can inspire good in people.
You studying for a Confucian exam?
2:1 - The Master said, "If you govern with the power of your virtue, you will be like the North Star. It just stays in its place while all the other stars position themselves around it."
12:19 - Ji Kang Zi asked Confucius about government saying, "Suppose I were to kill the unjust, in order to advance the just. Would that be all right?"
Confucius replied: "In doing government, what is the need of killing? If you desire good, the people will be good. The nature of the noble man is like the wind, the nature of the inferior man is like the grass. When the wind blows over the grass, it always bends."
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The way I look at it is I'm not voting FOR Hillary, I'm voting AGAINST Trump supporters, who are pretty much the worst people in this country.
Voting against trump supporters is just as bad as trump supporters. Im not voting because I dont want my hand in any of that. Ill let the emotional people and normal people who support someone place their bets.
Ima just smoke this blunt.
oh god... the whole 'apathy is activism' bullshit.
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Sucks that Bernie was cheated out of this election. I understand that not voting for the left results as a default vote for Trump (given that republican voter turnout consistently exceeds democrat turnout), but its definitely hard to feel satisfied in voting for Hilary.
Chris Hedges dose of realism is a sad and scary thing, but pretty insightful anyways:
Who Should Bernie Voters Support Now? Robert Reich vs. Chris Hedges on Tackling the Neoliberal Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4cXH3Fil8#)
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https://www.thenation.com/article/the-countrys-worst-anti-voting-law-was-just-struck-down-in-north-carolina/ (https://www.thenation.com/article/the-countrys-worst-anti-voting-law-was-just-struck-down-in-north-carolina/)
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the republicans are shameless with this, redistricting, shutting down the government, not hearing obama's nominations... they really cheat the system whenever they can and the get all steamy about the sanctity of the constitution. such a weird party.
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Holy Shit any of yall catch the debate last night...Goddamn it I hate this election
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Hillary looks like the goddamn second coming of Christ compared to Trump. The debate last night consisted of him lying out of his ass multiple times, being rude to both Hillary and the moderator, advocating for things that have been proven not to work (stop and frisk??), and even bragging about not paying his taxes. I don't fuck with anyone who supports him.
Here's a transcript of the debate with fact checking of both sides. If anyone watched it, this is a really interesting thing to go through after.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate (http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate)
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I'm not a Hilary fan at all but have been laughing my ass off at how some conservatives are trying to claim Trump won that. Get a fucking grip
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Hillary looks like the goddamn second coming of Christ compared to Trump. The debate last night consisted of him lying out of his ass multiple times, being rude to both Hillary and the moderator, advocating for things that have been proven not to work (stop and frisk??), and even bragging about not paying his taxes. I don't fuck with anyone who supports him.
Here's a transcript of the debate with fact checking of both sides. If anyone watched it, this is a really interesting thing to go through after.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate (http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate)
I really felt bad for the moderator, his job was like trying to put toothpaste back into the tube
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The Hillary vs Trump thing reminds me of good cop, bad cop in a police station. THey both work for the same goal its their strategy that differs.
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The 9/11 comment killed me.
The Daily Show - Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse - Conspiracy Theories Thrive at a Trump Rally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ#)
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I liked the part when he was talking about how much people support him. He sounded like he tried to catch himself from saying, "ISIS," when he said, "...even ICE..." It's kind of weird that an immigration agency openly supported Trump but this whole election is bizzare.
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I liked the part when he was talking about how much people support him. He sounded like he tried to catch himself from saying, "ISIS," when he said, "...even ICE..." It's kind of weird that an immigration agency openly supported Trump but this whole election is bizzare.
It's not weird, they'd get funding out the ass.
My mom's neighbor wanted to give me a flyer about an ICE hiring fair. "You know, if Trump wins, there's going to be a lot of new jobs there."
No thanks.
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Sleazy Trump comments and WikiLeaks that prove Clinton serves her billionaire masters aside, this section of the new leaks is insane:
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This is not an Onion article. Extraterrestrial Intelligence and World War 3 taking place in space are in these emails. Fuck.
(They are to John Podesta, Clinton campaign chairman)
http://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802 (http://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802)
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holy shit
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i was waiting online at a festival yesterday for a hamburger with my girlfriend and mother. a man hobbled up behind us on line with a walking stick and all of his chest hair hanging out of his sweatshirt without a shirt underneath. he said "nice day for this isn't it?" to us and we kindly smiled and said "yeah, yeah it is" back to him.
he looked at the kid who was taking orders and goes, "that kid probably has some real good looking parents. my son, well he's, let's see, 29 now? and he looks like albert kutchen, is that his name?" i turned and said "no sir i believe that is ashton kutcher you're talking about." he said "ah yeah that's the guy...ya know, when trump gets elected, he's really gonna make america great again for all these kids." i gave him a little "okay bud" and turned around.
uncalled for and uncanny. it's the recurring theme in this election.
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I can't wait for this shit to be over. I hope California gets its shit together and legalizes weed, and I don't even smoke.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY)
You guys see this crazy shit? Some journalists went undercover and busted the DNC paying agitators to attend Trump rallies and cause violence. The evidence corresponds with emails in the wikileaks. I wonder how long these people had to work with the Clinton campaign to get all this footage.
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fuck Donald Trump and fuck you if you support him
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY)
You guys see this crazy shit? Some journalists went undercover and busted the DNC paying agitators to attend Trump rallies and cause violence. The evidence corresponds with emails in the wikileaks. I wonder how long these people had to work with the Clinton campaign to get all this footage.
I'm not voting for either of these pieces of shit but I have to say it does amaze me that shit like this ^ will go virtually unnoticed and unreported on by the media. That cunt is just as rotten to the core as Trump's sleazy ass. To think that's the best we have to choose from is beyond disturbing...
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You guys see this crazy shit? Some journalists went undercover and busted the DNC paying agitators to attend Trump rallies and cause violence. The evidence corresponds with emails in the wikileaks. I wonder how long these people had to work with the Clinton campaign to get all this footage.
collusion between media and gov and/or political bases is standard practice and should not amaze anyone. good on you for not supporting either repugnant candidate and thereby not supporting the corrupt system.
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You guys see this crazy shit? Some journalists went undercover and busted the DNC paying agitators to attend Trump rallies and cause violence. The evidence corresponds with emails in the wikileaks. I wonder how long these people had to work with the Clinton campaign to get all this footage.
The Clintons represent the establishment/ Big Banks/ Bildaberg ...vote for them you are voting for the 1%'ers best interest
and Fuck Trump
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http://pagesix.com/2016/10/18/obamas-half-brother-to-support-trump-at-vegas-debate/ (http://pagesix.com/2016/10/18/obamas-half-brother-to-support-trump-at-vegas-debate/)
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Americans you are some funny motherfuckers.
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now that's gonna be "interesting", to say the least :o
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so, who won?
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so, who won?
Stan
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Trump won, I'd like to say bad news for ISIS, Saudi Arabia and other US puppet corrupt ass regimes. But probably he's going to get briefed and manipulated by the lifers in government, do a 180 and continue America's meddling and fucking up the world.
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Wow. And to think we had Steve Schmidt (lead campaign planner for Bush Jr and McCain) in our office a week ago saying a Trump victory was flat out impossible...
Going to be interesting watching China and Russia dance circles around the US for the next four years.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwzGvZkXUAELvtv.jpg)
so angry racist white people really propelled trump to win this.
i guess people can stop finally lying about how "progressive" america is.
america rewarded a unqualified buffoon to really win the election while using a campaign primarily marketed towards angry white people with lowkey white nationalist coded language.
whatever tho, if this is what america wants then so be it. just know that this is what you wanted.
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I don't think a lot of people outside the US know exactly what our president does or has control of, its really not that much. People are thinking "oh he has the nuclear codes". Yeah thats true but he cant just nuke someone for no reason, theres a chain of command and not even the president is number one on that list. I'm just shocked that he won without any fucking plans on how to actually improve this country. Now literally anyone can be president.
#Kanye 2020
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I have never been so deeply embarrassed of my country as I am today.
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so angry racist white people really propelled trump to win this.
i guess people can stop finally lying about how "progressive" america is.
Ehh, I wouldn't read that much into it. This was just reactionary voting stemming from the bad taste left in your mouth by the previous party. Remember these same "angry racists" voted a black man into office 8 years ago. It was reactionary then, and its reactionary now.
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Big thanks to everyone who voted for a fucking dead gorilla
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I have never been so deeply embarrassed of my country as I am today.
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Americans you are some funny dumb motherfuckers.
Fixed.
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Only thing shocking and surprising about this is that some people thought putting Clinton vs Trump was a good idea
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This sucks! Imbeciles! Not only did the kooks take over the podium they also took over the house. Not long til we hear the scary words "please rise for supreme court judge Giuliani".
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I don't think a lot of people outside the US know exactly what our president does or has control of, its really not that much. People are thinking "oh he has the nuclear codes". Yeah thats true but he cant just nuke someone for no reason, theres a chain of command and not even the president is number one on that list. I'm just shocked that he won without any fucking plans on how to actually improve this country. Now literally anyone can be president.
#Kanye 2020
#Tobey 2028? (Coz Kanye has two terms written all over him) Will you even be old enough by then Tobey?
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I have never been so deeply embarrassed of my country as I am today.
Keep thinking I'm going to wake up from a bad dream.
This is unreal.
I guess now we'll see how much or little power/control the president actually has. Is he actually going to try to build a wall, kick out 11 million undocumented Mexicans, stop Muslims from entering the country, make abortions illegal? Who will stand up to this loudmouth in the government? Or will everyone bow to him?
Crazy times.
At least 64 passed here in CA. (Recreational Marijuana) That will make the next 4 years more tolerable.
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I don't think a lot of people outside the US know exactly what our president does or has control of, its really not that much. People are thinking "oh he has the nuclear codes". Yeah thats true but he cant just nuke someone for no reason, theres a chain of command and not even the president is number one on that list. I'm just shocked that he won without any fucking plans on how to actually improve this country. Now literally anyone can be president.
#Kanye 2020
Nah but Waka should be and we all know he would have fucking won this election till the man brought him down
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2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
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Well its now officially confirmed...there are now more stupid people in the country than smart people.
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Only thing shocking and surprising about this is that some people thought putting Clinton vs Trump was a good idea
we got boned this time around.
throughout the whole thing i never thought trump would make it as far as he did, and sure as shit he proved me wrong every step of the way. its unbelievable.
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There were people in 2008 who thought Obama would be some socialist dictator and would take away everyone's guns and shit like that.
The president isn't some dictator. I think if anything we've seen in the last 8 years that the president is actually a lot more powerless than ever before depending on who controls the house/senate. If the whole republican party backed Trump this would be a lot scarier because they control the House and Senate, but if the primaries and GOP convention taught us anything they are not fully supportive of the disruptive Trump. My guess is very little will be done in the next 4 years just like the last 4.
2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
A lot of Johnson voters were Republicans who did not like Trump though I would say.
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Americans you are some funny motherfuckers.
America's Funniest Home Videos Theme 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEuRWLgWMjo#)
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There were people in 2008 who thought Obama would be some socialist dictator and would take away everyone's guns and shit like that.
The president isn't some dictator. I think if anything we've seen in the last 8 years that the president is actually a lot more powerless than ever before depending on who controls the house/senate. If the whole republican party backed Trump this would be a lot scarier because they control the House and Senate, but if the primaries and GOP convention taught us anything they are not fully supportive of the disruptive Trump. My guess is very little will be done in the next 4 years just like the last 4.
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2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
A lot of Johnson voters were Republicans who did not like Trump though I would say.
Thats what im thinking. Plus if he decides to run for a 2nd term, its basically just these first three years, he will be way too distracted on trying to win again to do actual shit. 3 years to try to change millions of peoples lives....... Yeah nothings going to drastically change. We are just now a huge joke to everyone else, thats the only thing thats changed
EDIT: Actually ill be pretty stoked if these celebrities actually leave now. Someone else can deal with Miley Cyrus or Amy Schumer
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2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
Im so fuckin pissed...unbelievable
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2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
as pointed out above, gary johnson detracted from trump, not clinton.
aside from that, this really is 2000 all over again. dems win the pop vote, gop wins the elect. the world is appalled, but hopes for the best. now we'll see if trump becomes dubya part 2 .......or worse.
oh, and there even was a stolen election! -- hillary stole the dnc nomination from bernie, who by most measures would have crushed trump.
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"Stay Fucking Calm!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJBPfQv1wQ#)
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Shit has me in the worst fucking mood it's unbelievable
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Trump pulled an Insane Clown Posse and made Juggalos out of the poor, disenfranchised, uneducated whites. We're all living in the Dark Carnival now.
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so angry racist white people really propelled trump to win this.
i guess people can stop finally lying about how "progressive" america is.
Ehh, I wouldn't read that much into it. This was just reactionary voting stemming from the bad taste left in your mouth by the previous party. Remember these same "angry racists" voted a black man into office 8 years ago. It was reactionary then, and its reactionary now.
those same "angry racist" didn't vote for obama.
david duke, the kkk, white supremacist, and white nationalist did not endorse obama like they did with trump.
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About to change my Tinder bio to Looking for that Citizenship
I just can't believe how fucked this shit is, people still got a voice so he can only fuck so much
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Good piece that explains how this happened:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-this-means-how-this-happened-what-to-do-now (https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-this-means-how-this-happened-what-to-do-now)
Just calling everyone racist is part of the reason this happened in the first place.
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so angry racist white people really propelled trump to win this.
i guess people can stop finally lying about how "progressive" america is.
Ehh, I wouldn't read that much into it. This was just reactionary voting stemming from the bad taste left in your mouth by the previous party. Remember these same "angry racists" voted a black man into office 8 years ago. It was reactionary then, and its reactionary now.
david duke, the kkk, white supremacist, and white nationalist did not endorse obama like they did with trump.
And now they've reminded us how much they represent the majority of america
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There were people in 2008 who thought Obama would be some socialist dictator and would take away everyone's guns and shit like that.
The president isn't some dictator. I think if anything we've seen in the last 8 years that the president is actually a lot more powerless than ever before depending on who controls the house/senate. If the whole republican party backed Trump this would be a lot scarier because they control the House and Senate, but if the primaries and GOP convention taught us anything they are not fully supportive of the disruptive Trump. My guess is very little will be done in the next 4 years just like the last 4.
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2000 all over again. Lost by a margin of GARY FUCKING JOHNSON in most of these states.
A lot of Johnson voters were Republicans who did not like Trump though I would say.
Even if some of the Gary Johnson/Jill Stein voters had switched it could have put Hillary ahead in key states.
The president can do whatever the fuck he wants if he has a compliant House and Senate (Senate majority still not filibuster proof though)
Expect to see major overhaul/repeal of obamacare, abrogation of current treaties, permissive policies on federal land use/fossil fuel extraction, a 7-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court (revising Roe v. Wade, affirmative action, policies on lgbt issues), suppression of likely democratic voters, creating an even more vulnerable and desperate underclass, maybe pissing off Saudi and ending up with oil no longer being valued in USD, maybe a little war here or there.
I might be Chicken Little but there are ample opportunities for this to get really bad.
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We hired a guy that was roasted on Comedy Central with a wife that was in Playboy. I am sure Trump go some good head that night. Can you imagine his wife is now sucking not only Trump's dick but the President's dick now? Man.
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speaking of head...
(https://i.reddituploads.com/219cd7c8ed2c4e0489b8e8739194b091?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=1cdb84241d6a6ec9fac04b9ebf1c2d8e)
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Gonna try and be deported.
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nice going, america
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you could have sold me on mccain, romney, or even ted cruz (ugh), but trump?
really?
this is who ya'll want america?
a realty show tv star who has no political or military experience?
really? this ya mans? lol
aight, bet.
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Well its now officially confirmed...there are now more stupid people in the country than smart people.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the states that had Trump in the lead. Then again, most of the states I'm not surprised. Fucking racist, homophobic, uneducated dumb fucks. America is fucking stupid. If you think otherwise, fuck you. Dumb, uneducated piece of shit mother fucker.
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I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the states that had Trump in the lead. Then again, most of the states I'm not surprised. Fucking racist, homophobic, uneducated dumb fucks. America is fucking stupid. If you think otherwise, fuck you. Dumb, uneducated piece of shit mother fucker.
Especially Florida. I figured they would be pro Hillary because a good percentage of the people who live down there are from NY/ NJ.
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Well its now officially confirmed...there are now more stupid people in the country than smart people.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the states that had Trump in the lead. Then again, most of the states I'm not surprised. Fucking racist, homophobic, uneducated dumb fucks. America is fucking stupid. If you think otherwise, fuck you. Dumb, uneducated piece of shit mother fucker.
Especially Florida. I figured they would be pro Hillary because a good percentage of the people who live down there are from NY/ NJ.
Dude Florida was such a big key. I just don't understand why people voted for Gary fucking Johnson.
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https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
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Well its now officially confirmed...there are now more stupid people in the country than smart people.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the states that had Trump in the lead. Then again, most of the states I'm not surprised. Fucking racist, homophobic, uneducated dumb fucks. America is fucking stupid. If you think otherwise, fuck you. Dumb, uneducated piece of shit mother fucker.
Especially Florida.� I figured they would be pro Hillary because a good percentage of the people who live down there are from NY/ NJ.
Dude Florida was such a big key. I just don't understand why people voted for Gary fucking Johnson.
After I saw the Florida results at 630 I knew shit had gone left....I don't get Gary Johnson either...at least Jill Stein had some things most Bernie Supports wanted
Edit:
Gary Johnson: Climate Doesn't Matter because the Sun will Burn out in 4 billion years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxXz2XU3io#)
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you could have sold me on mccain, romney, or even ted cruz (ugh), but trump?
really?
this is who ya'll want america?
a realty show tv star who has no political or military experience?
really? this ya mans? lol
aight, bet.
People love reality television nowadays, I suppose it makes perfect sense. This is pretty fucking surreal to say the least.
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https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
great article, daggal. as usual, glenn sees right through the horseshit.
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I love the people who say " The USA was not ready for a female president " lets break down Hillery
Married to Bill Clinton , a person who cheated on her and lied under oath and got out of it cause a BJ is not "sex" . While being accused multiple times for sexual assult , cheating and rape. Add to this taking money from Saudi Arabia and other Middle eastern countries that treat women horrible .
Lying about getting shot at in Bosnia. I mean wtf...
Email scandal. Having a private server set up in her bathroom with top secret information in it. Letting her maid print emails from it and sending it to huma abedin who sent it to her husband . wtf . Ask anybody on this forum with military background where they would be if they did the same . Or check out interviews with CIA or other gov personal who tell where they would be if they did that.
Pardoning people who contribute to Bills and Clintons campaign and getting them out of jail
Doing "speeches " for banks and getting millions of dollars for it
The whole DNC thing where they basicly fucked over Sanders and forced him out. The one caught up in it gets fired from the DNC and then gets a top position with the Clintons . And the new elected one gets caught for sending the debate questions to Hillary in advance
And then theres the suicides and murders. Sure it could be coincides . but its fucking shady
You really need more reasons why nobody trusts her ? why people want her locked up ? and why trump won ?
Should have gone with Sanders are Gary
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I'm in Florida, heard a guy brag today that at his construction job he pissed off all the mexican coworkers by telling them now they will all be deported, and that he was going to call immigration on them. Then I heard him say a bunch of shit about the political system that was simply untrue, about how trade agreements work, and finally he says, "Well fuck all them anyways, I can't even vote because of my record."
Lots of my friends voted third party, Johnson isn't even a libertarian but I disagree with Libertarian philosophy and so would most of my friends that voted that way if they knew what it actually was. Others were aware enough to know libertarian didn't line up with their liberal views and voted Green. The Green party is extremely weak in understanding or articulating a reasonable foreign policy platform. I can't vote them for executive office but do support voting them into local positions where the things that they rightfully care about can be effected. It's okay to be a party with a largely domestic agenda, go for those positions first. They didn't win any positions higher than mayoral seats, and I'm pretty sure none in areas with significant populations. If people were so upset and wanted to turn everything on its head, why did so many incumbents hold on? How come none of the third parties picked up a seat in senate or congress? The next president was going to get to pick the supreme court seat that Obama was blocked from picking, 3 current members are 78 or older and two of the three are part of a liberal counterbalance on the court. It is what it is though, the people who cared enough to vote made their choice.
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
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I'm surprised but somewhat apathetic. Last night, I went to a college bar with someone I skate with. After Trump was announced, he started getting upset and got into an argument with some frat bros. They were trying to start shit and kept yelling, "Fuck you!" to him. Then, one of them pointed at me and yelled, "Fuck you too!" even though I wasn't involved. He probably thought that I'm a liberal because I was wearing a Beatles tee. My friend walked out, so I wanted to give him a cigarette, before finishing my beer. I asked the doorman if I could come back for my beer, but he told me that if I walked out, I couldn't come back in. I don't even care about politics and have to deal with people getting shitty at me. After that, someone kept going on a rant about how America fucked up. When asked about how I feel, I truthfully said that I don't really give a fuck. Then, he started getting all shitty at me. People are immature and extremely opinionated when it comes to politics. It just pushes people away from each other over different opinions. I just enjoy life and try not to pay attention to the bullshit...whatever happens isn't going to change the way I live my life or prevent me from treating others equally. You can't let words from random, hateful people hurt you. You just have to keep living and ignore those worthless people. Don't waste your time arguing, because you'll just give them the attention and satisfaction they want.
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
martin shkreli offered her and amy schumer free flights to canada......i wish they would....i wish they would.
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
by agreeing with martin shkreli you automatically became the lowest piece of shit
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
by agreeing with martin shkreli you automatically became the lowest piece of shit
But son is releasing the unheard Wu Tang album. Thats got to be worth the Trump victory alone.
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Is there a SLAP president?
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
by agreeing with martin shkreli you automatically became the lowest piece of shit
But son is releasing the unheard Wu Tang album. Thats got to be worth the Trump victory alone.
No Raekwon on that album...so its a pass for me
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Ghostface always calls it Rza's album and none of those turn out all that great.
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Is there a SLAP president?
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNzbxkvYUQZYfmF3ygrfJEGrB5cDPIcwf5uwHeDr1sdlFgI0X8)
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Ghostface always calls it Rza's album and none of those turn out all that great.
gravediggaz was epic.
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Ghostface always calls it Rza's album and none of those turn out all that great.
gravediggaz was rad but they had a 2nd tape that wasn't so hot [i remember a gilligan's island ripoff 'deaf dumb and blind']. seen 3 short clips of martin skrelli [sic] listening to it and from the snippets i heard it wasn't any 36 chambers but in RZA;s defense i only heard about 3 minutes and a bunch of it was intro stuff.
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
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so does this mean Lena Dunham is going to leave the country?
by agreeing with martin shkreli you automatically became the lowest piece of shit
what kind of logic is this you regular motherfucker? you like dogs? hitler liked dogs so you are a piece of shit for agreeing with him on something.
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Good read:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-this-means-how-this-happened-what-to-do-now (https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-this-means-how-this-happened-what-to-do-now)
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
pc is ok, but overly pc is annoying as hell. it's too in your face. baseball used to be america's favorite pastime... now it's whining. i'm not a fan of horses racing, but look at this shit. it's an old photo of a horse race. it's like everyone is just constantly looking for something to fight over......
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her
for goodness sake tobey! that's a horse you're looking at.
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Low voting turnout fairly fucked it for Clinton as far as I can tell. 53% turnout (seen different amounts) aint gonna help. People who voted for Trump of the back of the things he said he was going to do have hoodwinked, his campaign website has already had statements removed. Seen the same thing here in the UK after the brexit thing. Biggest worry is that Trump gets impeached for something and Pence gets in. He is one evil MF and could really fuck shit up. This is how Kanye will be president in 2020, you can quote me on that ;)
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her
hahahahah gotta lurk her instagram a bit more. Also what Spike just said that all the people who voted for him wanted two main things, to build a giant wall and to put Hillary in prison. Once they realized that shit isnt going to happen his own people are gonna turn on him. Probably worse than people already protesting
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her
hahahahah gotta lurk her instagram a bit more. Also what Spike just said that all the people who voted for him wanted two main things, to build a giant wall and to put Hillary in prison. Once they realized that shit isnt going to happen his own people are gonna turn on him. Probably worse than people already protesting
Sounds alot like his race to be president
Trumps not going to run he has no chance , trumps not getting the nomination he has no chance , trumps not gonna win the election he has no chance
Trumps not gonna build a wall he has no chance , Trumps not gonna put Hillary in prison he has no chance
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
well no shit.
the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.
"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"
i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BMg_HCIAApM/?taken-by=susansarandon&hl=en)
Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her
hahahahah gotta lurk her instagram a bit more. Also what Spike just said that all the people who voted for him wanted two main things, to build a giant wall and to put Hillary in prison. Once they realized that shit isnt going to happen his own people are gonna turn on him. Probably worse than people already protesting
Sounds alot like his race to be president
Trumps not going to run he has no chance , trumps not getting the nomination he has no chance , trumps not gonna win the election he has no chance
Trumps not gonna build a wall he has no chance , Trumps not gonna put Hillary in prison he has no chance
Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action
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Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action
Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world
The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice . Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "
What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it. Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that
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Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action
Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world
The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice . Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "
What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it. Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that
Yeah i don't know shit about the rest of the world but i didn't try to sound like a complete douche to you when i said that
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Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action
Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world
The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice . Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "
What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it. Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that
both candidates had around 60 million votes. the hate for hillary is strong, but looking at the news and social media of celebrities (99% are democrats for some reason) it looks like the country is going crazy when in reality it is like every other election. half are mad, half are happy. you just don't get to see the other half
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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
In Australia it's illegal not to vote if you are of voting age
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
Reading that there are far-left forces in US universities is the most laughable thing. Americans being so much politically castrated from the left side, due to the cold world era, have no idea when it comes to politcs. Identity politics and the so called political correctness have nothing to do with the left. It is actually the left side of neoliberalism. Something that would put those people in the center right political spectrum. No far-leftist spends so much energy on the superconstruct of capitalism (meaning the civilization products of capitalism as ethics and etc.). Actual leftists bring the radical transformation of the production system first. I know that the average left american is in fact a center right guy... Man you even baptized Obama as socialist.... What a joke...
The article is classical liberal (and i mention this with the correct meaning: as someone who is pro-free market) moaning. When shit hits the fan everything is at fault except them and their elites. Their elites that are poverizing more and more people everyday and they expect that people will behave as they wish. No man people are desperate to grasp something because they see that their future is grim and sometimes when there is no true education people are getting a grip on the charriot of fascism. The same play was on stage in 1900 and it led to two world wars and nazism, those elites are so desperate to preserve capitalism, as it is, that they are gonna create monsters again.
P.S. That is an article of how marxist influenced philosophers see identity politics and the "PC" Thingy
http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/ (http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/)
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What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it. Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that
plenty of people are. i was really turned off from the DNC and how they handled all the scandalous shit surrounding hillary so shamelessly during this election. and everyone is just supposed to accept that theyre the good guys.
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There are gonna be tons of riots the next 4 years.
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just some perspective: conservatives were outraged when obama won in 2008 and hate crimes immediately spiked but dropped after a few weeks. tensions remained high throughout his tenure but somewhat mellowed over time.
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.
Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.
Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit
John Oliver recently had a segment about this on his show that explains why (not surprisingly, religion is involved).
Voting On Tuesday - How Is This Still A Thing?: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0bMfS-_pjM#)
I apologize for being repetitive (I posted this in the other thread), but comedian/writer Dana Gould posted this on his blog the day after the election and I thought it was great and helped bring a little peace of mind... to me anyway.
I feel like it's too early to think 'silver lining' as this country should be enraged, but worth a read:
"As the British said, Keep Calm and Carry On.
Keep doing what you are doing. Keep being the person you are. Effect change on your level.
Tune out the news and don?t pay attention to the daily back-and-forth. The pendulum will swing the other way?
In time.
This country is an alcoholic on the verge of rock bottom; this vote, like the Brexit vote, is a tantrum. The panicky shriek of a frightened people whose privilege has lost its currency.
Like most decisions made in anger, it was ill advised.
Angry white America voted for the promise to go back in time. That America would be great AGAIN. Like it WAS. Our manufacturing base will come back. All the brown people will all do away?
It?s white flight from reality.
The world is changing and a lot of frightened people bought a cynical promise to go back in time.
But the clock only moves in one direction. Change is the only constant. Evolution does not favor the strongest, it favors those most adaptable to change. Ask a Brontosaurus.
This will be a hard and ugly four years. Watching an addict hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem that can?t solve on their own is difficult to watch, but if they can accept it, they get to view the world in a new way.
This will be where white America finally gives up its illusion that one day things will go back to being the way they were. And when it slowly dawns on them that the 1950?s are never coming back, it?s going to be ugly.
In the meantime, take care of yourself, try not to look at it and be grateful you are in the 49 % of this country who?s not afraid of the direction of the clock."
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.
Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit
You can absentee vote or vote early...You don't have to vote on that day and time...its a bad excuse if people are using this as a reason as to why they didnt vote
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)
If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted
Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.
Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit
You can absentee vote or vote early...You don't have to vote on that day and time...its a bad excuse if people are using this as a reason as to why they didnt vote
There are ways around it, but it's still a giant pain in the ass to vote on a Tuesday. Take time off, wait in line for hours, travel, find child care, whatever. They don't want the working poor to vote, so they keep it on a Tuesday.
Another dated fucking system like the electoral college.
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this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wglNuNP8HBk
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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man
that's black friday
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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man
Yeah one has tons of riots, people yellling at eachother , murders , fights, shootings , burning and lootings . The other is the election
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this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil
Pretty sure that's what got Trump the W. Fake polls, people saying the election was over 2 months ago, got all the Trump supporters to vote.
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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.
From an outsider looking in, it blows my mind that people are rioting despite this.
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this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil
yeah it backfired on them. they tried to scare them in to thinking he didn't have a chance. maybe some people on the other side felt like hillary had it in the bag and didn't need to vote. serves them right for lying.
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From an outsider looking in, it blows my mind that people are rioting despite this.
it's 98% peaceful protests mostly by a bunch of college hipsters trying to feel important. hardly any rioting
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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man
Yeah one has tons of riots, people yellling at eachother , murders , fights, shootings , burning and lootings . The other is the election
that would be funny if you went on a shopping spree on election day and tried to vote on black friday. you'd be like why is everything so expensive ... wait, Trump is president? shit. what just happened?
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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr (http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr)
Please read the article before getting defensive.
Reading that there are far-left forces in US universities is the most laughable thing. Americans being so much politically castrated from the left side, due to the cold world era, have no idea when it comes to politcs. Identity politics and the so called political correctness have nothing to do with the left. It is actually the left side of neoliberalism. Something that would put those people in the center right political spectrum. No far-leftist spends so much energy on the superconstruct of capitalism (meaning the civilization products of capitalism as ethics and etc.). Actual leftists bring the radical transformation of the production system first. I know that the average left american is in fact a center right guy... Man you even baptized Obama as socialist.... What a joke...
The article is classical liberal (and i mention this with the correct meaning: as someone who is pro-free market) moaning. When shit hits the fan everything is at fault except them and their elites. Their elites that are poverizing more and more people everyday and they expect that people will behave as they wish. No man people are desperate to grasp something because they see that their future is grim and sometimes when there is no true education people are getting a grip on the charriot of fascism. The same play was on stage in 1900 and it led to two world wars and nazism, those elites are so desperate to preserve capitalism, as it is, that they are gonna create monsters again.
P.S. That is an article of how marxist influenced philosophers see identity politics and the "PC" Thingy
http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/ (http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/)
That's true today's liberals in America are neoliberals, mostly concerned with identity politics instead of economics. That's a matter of semantics. Or maybe the meaning of the word liberal has kinda shifted and it now mostly describes what people would call SJWs. The article is correct too though that a backlash against political correctness was a major force in this election. If a group of people is mocked and derided long enough - people who may not always speak the lingo but mean well - they will become vengeful at some point. That's human nature. American liberals or the left or whatever you want to call them were pretty relentless and merciless in this regard. It was bound to happen, considering there's a lot of overlap between the people who elected Obama twice and the people who voted for Trump.
The way I see it, everything that's playing out is also a classic case of divide and conquer. The elites are still getting away with their shit and the public is distracted with petty bickering amongst one another. Trump is not anti-establishment at all. It's all a big lie.
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Im still shaking in a corner of my dark basement after being told i need to check my white priveledge shortly after obama wom POTUS.
My feelings are really hurt and im so confused???
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good news fellow skateboarders, it is being said that among the other great candidates for his team (Palin, Christie, Giuliana) Trump is considering a man named Myron Ebell to lead the EPA transition in the US.
although Mr. Ebell not a scientist, he's a leader in fighting against the great global warming hoax. which, as we all know, is concocted and cultivated by hundreds of scientist around the world to further their agenda for political and economic control. Ebell recognizes that our climate is changing but the outcome is not as bad as we make it - just a bit from wikipedia:
In 2006, Ebell wrote an article in Forbes titled "Love Global Warming". In the article, Ebell argues that increased temperatures caused by climate change would make colder regions more comfortable to live in, and in regions already known for warm weather, "the higher temperatures are killing people who are likely to die soon anyway."
the thing I take away for us - less harsh winters and more skateboard time! of course not just in the northern US regions but globally! everyone and everything living in cold regions can just adapt new lifestyles - more margaritas and beach time! and those living in already unbearably hot locations can just move or die already. I certainly hope he is appointed so we can help expedite this process
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I should point out that Trump's protectionist trade policies are considered to be rather bad economics. Throughout his whole campaign he was taking about how bad free trade and NAFTA was. Here's what economists think about free trade and NAFTA:
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_0dfr9yjnDcLh17m (http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_0dfr9yjnDcLh17m)
Question A: Freer trade improves productive efficiency and offers consumers better choices, and in the long run these gains are much larger than any effects on employment.
Strongly Agree - 29%
Agree - 56%
Uncertain - 5%
Disagree - 0%
Strongly Disagree - 0%
Question B: On average, citizens of the U.S. have been better off with the North American Free Trade Agreement than they would have been if the trade rules for the U.S., Canada and Mexico prior to NAFTA had remained in place.
Strongly Agree - 22%
Agree - 63%
Uncertain - 5%
Disagree - 0%
Strongly Disagree - 0%
So, Trump had said NAFTA was the worst trade deal ever, yet zero percent of economists think that NAFTA made the US worse off on average. He's gonna have a real tough time finding economic advisors who agree with him.
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If he manages to slap a 45% tariff on Chinese imports I'm predicting the death of a Crailtap soonish.
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good news fellow skateboarders, it is being said that among the other great candidates for his team (Palin, Christie, Giuliana) Trump is considering a man named Myron Ebell to lead the EPA transition in the US.
although Mr. Ebell not a scientist, he's a leader in fighting against the great global warming hoax. which, as we all know, is concocted and cultivated by hundreds of scientist around the world to further their agenda for political and economic control. Ebell recognizes that our climate is changing but the outcome is not as bad as we make it - just a bit from wikipedia:
In 2006, Ebell wrote an article in Forbes titled "Love Global Warming". In the article, Ebell argues that increased temperatures caused by climate change would make colder regions more comfortable to live in, and in regions already known for warm weather, "the higher temperatures are killing people who are likely to die soon anyway."
the thing I take away for us - less harsh winters and more skateboard time! of course not just in the northern US regions but globally! everyone and everything living in cold regions can just adapt new lifestyles - more margaritas and beach time! and those living in already unbearably hot locations can just move or die already. I certainly hope he is appointed so we can help expedite this process
I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm but it's still fucking scary to read because some people actually believe this.
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LoL. Those agreements have one thing in common... Making outsourching easier and cheaper. Thus helping income inequality and the rise of unemployment-underemployment in developed countries especially among those with lower education at the bottom levels of social ladder. Above all Trump's election as well as Brexit vote is a signal that the majority of people are or feel that they fall into those bottom levels of social ladder that economy has them neglected, so they vote for the options that seem to challenge the current economic agreements and status quo.
In the end yeah those agrreements are good for the economy (of big buisinesses), but they also make the economy a game for less and less small buisinesses and working people. Good for big players bad for everyone else...
If he manages to slap a 45% tariff on Chinese imports I'm predicting the death of a Crailtap soonish.
I am predicting the death of Trump. There are so many buisinesses benefiting from outsourcing that they wont let this happen... In the end the markets decide and not the president or the people.
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No way, I'm certain that manufacturing jobs will return to the US, but will pay waaay more than they do in China or wherever, while the cost of goods stays the same. That's what Trump's voters wanted and I am sure that he'll deliver.
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Yeah, the average American's views on trade are probably closer to Trump's than to an economist.
Related:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-03/no-one-cares-what-economists-say-about-trump (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-03/no-one-cares-what-economists-say-about-trump)
The thing about tariffs is that the very poor would probably be hurt the hardest since they tend to buy more low cost foreign goods than the wealthy (Khandelwal, Amit K., & Fajgelbaum, Pablo D., (2014) Measuring The Unequal Gains From Trade).
I think it's terrible economic policy personally, and I doubt it will be enacted. Who's Trump gonna put on his economic team? If he wants protectionist economists, he's gonna have to import them from overseas since there are so few of them here.
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I also doubt that Trump really intends to enact any of the protectionist measures he promised, but his election shows just how deep the public skepticism regarding free trade runs. I hope this serves as a wake up call to politicians everywhere that it is actually necessary to have some plan to redistribute the net gains from trade instead of just focusing on aggregate wealth. The people in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania don't give a shit about pareto optimal factor allocation - they just want jobs.
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http://www.theonion.com/article/dnc-aiming-reconnect-working-class-americans-new-h-54707 (http://www.theonion.com/article/dnc-aiming-reconnect-working-class-americans-new-h-54707)
Best Of The Young Turks Election Day Meltdown 2016: From smug to utterly devastated. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94#)