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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: 144p on January 05, 2017, 06:39:23 PM
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Just got a sneak peak of Agenda releases and looks like Indy is finally doing A 144(8.25) truck.
Seems like A small niche between 139 and 149 but I guess enough people demanded it.
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134 would have been a better idea
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oh hell yeah
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Oh man, that's great news. I was skating a pair of stage 8 146's (at least I think that's what they sized them as back then) and they were 8.25. Added a stage 11 forged plate to it and an inverted kingpin... best Indy's I've had. So many boards are 8.25 these days, it totally makes sense.
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i just want 215 shape 169s like the ones danny dicola skates
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very cool but about ten years too late for me. as my beer guy expanded so did my comfort with 149s and 159s.
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i just want 215 shape 169s like the ones danny dicola skates
Then cut them down like he does.
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This is good, I don't want to skate indy's but I'm hoping this gets thunder and some other companies to start making 8.25's too.
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i just want 215 shape 169s like the ones danny dicola skates
Stage IIIs! 8 5/8" axle / 151 Hanger. That would be my truck, especially if they could tuck the kingpin away a bit.
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Just got a sneak peak of Agenda releases and looks like Indy is finally doing A 144(8.25) truck.
Seems like A small niche between 139 and 149 but I guess enough people demanded it.
i feel like there is actually alot of people who would skate an 8.25 indy, instead of having to do krux or ace.
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Isn't that the size of the most popular deck size? Makes sense no?
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Yes it's one of the most used sizes in current times, but i think people who skate 8.25 and wanna ride indys have found their middle ground in either a 139 or 149. The 144 might just be to satiate those who nerd out over mm truck sizings, (see the truck thread). I'd be interested to see the design on a board before biting the bullet on something that may just sound good in theory.
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149's on an 8.25 are pretty perfect.
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The OCD in me is very excited about this
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This is great news. I was perfectly happy with 149's on an 8.25 but wanted to see if my board flipped better with a smaller size. I tried some 44's last summer (I know, they're technically 8 3/8's) and while they were pretty solid, I may have to throw them on a cruiser. This is some Goldilocks shit.
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I'll get some 144's as soon as they are available. This might be the best thing to come out of Agenda this year.
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i did hear a rumor that indy were also looking at making a standard truck that was in between a low and the current 11s.
could the 144s have new geometry also?
time to start losing sleep over this, truck nerds.
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149's on an 8.25 are pretty perfect.
I agree but think of 144s on an 8 or 8.125. Probably a dream.
Maybe Reynolds will finally step up to 144s on his 8.5 instead of th 139s he's been riding for y ars lol.
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I just want a thunder 8.25" truck.
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Good news! Now I can ride 8.25's without freaking out over my 139 trucks
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This is legit
I liked 149s on 8.25 over 139s but it still felt off.
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I just want a thunder 8.25" truck.
They will DEF. be making one in the future I stake my entire reputation on it.
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I just want a thunder 8.25" truck.
That doesn't mean anything.
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149's on an 8.25 are pretty perfect.
i agree
but i'll be damned if i'm not curious. took em long enough... nice to see all that Pacsun money go to good use.
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149's on an 8.25 are pretty perfect.
i agree
but i'll be damned if i'm not curious. took em long enough... nice to see all that Pacsun money go to good use.
I didn't know what you were talking about until I checked out their website. They even have a bunch of Huf collabs, so what the fuck does, "select Huf retailers," even mean anymore?
Back on topic...I want to try a pair, but I've gotten so used to 149ers. Can someone possibly post pictures, so we can check out the shape of them?
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This truck makes complete sense in that you can run an 8.25-8.5 super proper......I never liked the look of a 149 on an 8.25.....but....if everyone is already riding 149......no one ever down sizes trucks.....they just don't.....
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i did hear a rumor that indy were also looking at making a standard truck that was in between a low and the current 11s.
could the 144s have new geometry also?
time to start losing sleep over this, truck nerds.
you got me psyched, im very intrigued. i had a set of stage 10 standards i did like for a good moment, maybe theyll just redo the 10 with a better geometry. ill definitely get a set just to try.
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we know that you will, rob, we know haha
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hehe ( ͡? ͜ʖ ͡?)
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Been a minute since I've been on the SLAP board but if I carried one thing from my time on here it was how good 149's feel on an 8.25. Not sure I could ever go back.
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I think it would be sweet having the 144's on an 8.5. Get just a bit more leverage with just a tiny bit less overhang.
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Oh man, that's great news. I was skating a pair of stage 8 146's (at least I think that's what they sized them as back then) and they were 8.25. Added a stage 11 forged plate to it and an inverted kingpin... best Indy's I've had. So many boards are 8.25 these days, it totally makes sense.
Holy Shnit, this actually works? No geometry probs? I have some 8's and could try that myself.
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Oh man, that's great news. I was skating a pair of stage 8 146's (at least I think that's what they sized them as back then) and they were 8.25. Added a stage 11 forged plate to it and an inverted kingpin... best Indy's I've had. So many boards are 8.25 these days, it totally makes sense.
Holy Shnit, this actually works? No geometry probs? I have some 8's and could try that myself.
Geometry was fine. Skated them for a year and a half after the conversion, till they hit axle for the whole rear truck! I drilled and tapped the forged baseplate and installed a threaded insert so I could use the Grindking kingpin. I'll post a photo of that process sometime soon.
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Does this mean Chico Brenes will finally stop riding 139s on 8.75s?
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I think this is a good thing for sure - gives people way more options in board size when they want to change things up without having to change trucks. You could easily skate from an 8 to 8.375 with these.
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Does this mean Chico Brenes will finally stop riding 139s on 8.75s?
he rides 149's.
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Does this mean Chico Brenes will finally stop riding 139s on 8.75s?
he rides 149's.
Then I guess it's a typo on the Central website?
http://www.centralskateco.com/comrades/ (http://www.centralskateco.com/comrades/)
Board Set up: 8.75″ Big Boy Deck, Indy 139 front loose back a bit Tighter,
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This sounds like great news, I just started really like Ace 44's on an 8.0, they knew there's a sweet spot.
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This is great! I'm still riding 139's on 8.25 because the 149's are too clunky for me.. 144's will be perfect.
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too late for me, i'm on 149's since a few months, and they're perfect on 8.25's
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anyone know about when they will be available?
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Does this mean Chico Brenes will finally stop riding 139s on 8.75s?
he rides 149's.
http://www.centralskateco.com/comrades/ (http://www.centralskateco.com/comrades/)
Board Set up: 8.75″ Big Boy Deck, Indy 139 front loose back a bit Tighter,
Probably a typo. kids are always asking him what size trucks on Insta and he always says 149
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this makes me so happy
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149's on an 8.25 are pretty perfect.
this, plus i can move around sizes a bit, right now i have a 8.4 and i still am fine with my 149s
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Sweet! I guess the Krux sales were good enough.
I always found it funny that the '3rd world' trucks, e.g., Silver, Destructo, Royal, Fury, etc., have all offered an 8.25" axle for sometime yet Indy and Thunder didn't bother. ACE and Theeve might have picked up some of that slack tho.
Riding some 5.5" Theeve atm. doubtful the 144 will get me to switch off tho....I'll wait for the Thunder 148 ti ;)
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I'm guessing these 144s will sit a bit lower than the current standard 149s also.
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Doubtful, the 139 and 149 are the same height.
159's are 1.5 mm taller if my memory serves me correctly.
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They're all the same height. 109-215.
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Wait and See. Rhino talks about it in his Juice Mag interview,
"Keith was talking about doing some sort of mid truck in between the Stage 11 and the Low. Maybe a couple of street dudes want a different geometry going on." Juice Mag #74 Page 36.
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in case you nerds think i'm full of shit...
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Doubtful, the 139 and 149 are the same height.
159's are 1.5 mm taller if my memory serves me correctly.
149s and 159 standards are both 55mm high, I think...
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The forged are already between the low and standards, tho.
Here's a chance for Indy to trim that hanger yoke down and make a 'snappier' truck.
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The forged are already between the low and standards, tho.
Here's a chance for Indy to trim that hanger yoke down and make a 'snappier' truck.
true but it might have something to do with where the height is added affecting the geo. a slimmer or thicker baseplate is going to change things in a different way to hanger position/ design.
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The forged are already between the low and standards, tho.
Here's a chance for Indy to trim that hanger yoke down and make a 'snappier' truck.
man, im really looking forward to that! if indys have that quick turn like thunder but still deep indy carve theyll be amazing. ever since getting back to the lows ive been stoked and remembered how nice and solid of a truck indys are, theyre just a good solid truck. the weight is just a hair much but i like the ratio of weight and build.
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Do we have any release date yet ?
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any updates on anything at all anyone??
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Any chance for an Inverted kingppin at some point?
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
Thunder 149ers turn, I actually went back to thunder 147 cause the indy's were too heavy and such. They were solid but thunders are solid too.
I love my Indy lows but thunder 147 hi just take the cake for me cause I noticed the tiny bit of extra height over Indy lows helped me balance my manuals better and get more stable pop going fast to Ollie over stuff, also they're lighter which really hit me when I set them up after the indy's.
Maybe they'll have Indy mids, and they'll be in shops along with Indy standard high and lows, so now you got every option on the Indy program.
That would be cool, an actual mid truck.
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
Thunder 149ers turn, I actually went back to thunder 147 cause the indy's were too heavy and such. They were solid but thunders are solid too.
I love my Indy lows but thunder 147 hi just take the cake for me cause I noticed the tiny bit of extra height over Indy lows helped me balance my manuals better and get more stable pop going fast to Ollie over stuff, also they're lighter which really hit me when I set them up after the indy's.
Maybe they'll have Indy mids, and they'll be in shops along with Indy standard high and lows, so now you got every option on the Indy program.
That would be cool, an actual mid truck.
You could try Thunders with team plates, makes them a true mid.
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
Thunder 149ers turn, I actually went back to thunder 147 cause the indy's were too heavy and such. They were solid but thunders are solid too.
I love my Indy lows but thunder 147 hi just take the cake for me cause I noticed the tiny bit of extra height over Indy lows helped me balance my manuals better and get more stable pop going fast to Ollie over stuff, also they're lighter which really hit me when I set them up after the indy's.
Maybe they'll have Indy mids, and they'll be in shops along with Indy standard high and lows, so now you got every option on the Indy program.
That would be cool, an actual mid truck.
You could try Thunders with team plates, makes them a true mid.
That's the only way I ride my thunder 147 hi, standard cast team style. No forged here cause the thin light baseplate throws off my board weight Distribution
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Stoked to try these out.
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
Thunder 149ers turn, I actually went back to thunder 147 cause the indy's were too heavy and such. They were solid but thunders are solid too.
I love my Indy lows but thunder 147 hi just take the cake for me cause I noticed the tiny bit of extra height over Indy lows helped me balance my manuals better and get more stable pop going fast to Ollie over stuff, also they're lighter which really hit me when I set them up after the indy's.
Maybe they'll have Indy mids, and they'll be in shops along with Indy standard high and lows, so now you got every option on the Indy program.
That would be cool, an actual mid truck.
You could try Thunders with team plates, makes them a true mid.
That's the only way I ride my thunder 147 hi, standard cast team style. No forged here cause the thin light baseplate throws off my board weight Distribution
I just don't like the way they make the board sound/feel, tinny sort of? Indy forged feel better than thunder forged, dunno what it is - probably weight which is noticeable but I threw on some ti hangers and krux pins on team plates so it's moot; I just can't get them dialed.
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I really hope they revamp the Indy 139 too and make them lower(like thunder 149 height 52.5mm tall) and make them lighter with better rebound stock bushings, that would be an amazing truck.
I know that's why thunders are good, good height, good rebound/response/stability and light weight.
Hopefully someone from that research team reads this
I hope they don't do that, you can always ride indy lows if you want that low truck feel. I like my indys tall, which means that they will turn unlike thunders.
Thunder 149ers turn, I actually went back to thunder 147 cause the indy's were too heavy and such. They were solid but thunders are solid too.
I love my Indy lows but thunder 147 hi just take the cake for me cause I noticed the tiny bit of extra height over Indy lows helped me balance my manuals better and get more stable pop going fast to Ollie over stuff, also they're lighter which really hit me when I set them up after the indy's.
Maybe they'll have Indy mids, and they'll be in shops along with Indy standard high and lows, so now you got every option on the Indy program.
That would be cool, an actual mid truck.
You could try Thunders with team plates, makes them a true mid.
That's the only way I ride my thunder 147 hi, standard cast team style. No forged here cause the thin light baseplate throws off my board weight Distribution
I just don't like the way they make the board sound/feel, tinny sort of? Indy forged feel better than thunder forged, dunno what it is - probably weight which is noticeable but I threw on some ti hangers and krux pins on team plates so it's moot; I just can't get them dialed.
Yeah I don't get how some of the guys on the team ride the forged especially the renown king of consistency Shane oneill. The forged weight gives no board feel.
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Hold 2 nickels in your hand. that's the difference between a forged baseplate and a cast baseplate
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Nickels are pretty thick though, if you said pennies or dimes I'd be perplexed but you gotta also consider, we are slap skaters. A dime of weight alone is enough to get to us
But really though idk what it is but the casting method gives the truck this solid weight feel compared to the feather light forged pressed method
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On slap:
1 mm = 1 cm
1 gram = 1 pound
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On slap:
1 mm = 1 cm
1 gram = 1 pound
Hahaha,exactly what i've been thinking lately when browsing these truck topics :)
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I wanna try them. Won't make any difference but I'll still try them.
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On slap:
1 mm = 1 cm
1 gram = 1 pound
Hahaha,exactly what i've been thinking lately when browsing these truck topics :)
Don't forget about adding a Krux kingpin to everything too
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On slap:
1 mm = 1 cm
1 gram = 1 pound
Hahaha,exactly what i've been thinking lately when browsing these truck topics :)
Don't forget about adding a Krux kingpin to everything too
Only if they come without hollow pins ;)
Regardless of weight they are so low profile giving you ton more feeb/smith clearance if that's your thing.
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I'm excited for the 1444, at least to try them. I bought thunders and honestly they didn't feel much lighter than my hollow indys. And I hate how thunder doesn't openly publish the weights like Indy.
The thunder felt flimsy and I stuck with old reliable, for me anyhow.
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BTW I emailed tactics and these will come out in June
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BTW I emailed tactics and these will come out in June
Damn, June? ;P
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woah! so wait is it just gonna be an 8.25 stage 11? or a new 8.25 stage 11.5 mid indy
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are they available now?
https://instagram.com/p/BQhIMlcAykw/
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are they available now?
https://instagram.com/p/BQhIMlcAykw/
Not seen them anywhere, it's a print ad so they are starting the marketing machine.
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Can't wait...
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I like the struggle for reynolds, if anyone has ever followed his insta, he battles 139 / 149 on occasion this will either fuck him up or be perfect.
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I like the struggle for reynolds, if anyone has ever followed his insta, he battles 139 / 149 on occasion this will either fuck him up or be perfect.
i've noticed that too
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Currently riding 139's. 149's felt clunky for me on 8.25 decks. Cannot wait.
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I've pretty much skate the mid sizes 8.25/8.38, that's why I've been in the ACE (and theeve/krux camps) as they provide. I've never been a fan of 149s on 8.25s, even tho that's primarily what I've ridden if I'm on Thunder or Indys.
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ive been considering 159 on 8.5
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Tactics said June they come out. I emailed them
Might be a cool truck. I'll try them
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ive been considering 159 on 8.5
I rode 159's on an 8.5, worked great.
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ive been considering 159 on 8.5
Real nice. Lines your wheel edges up perfect (on most wheel shapes).
Those Indy 144 would have been a dream for me 10 years ago. Alas, I'm sold on 149/159s...
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BQx-a3eD1eH/?taken-by=independenttrucks (https://www.instagram.com/p/BQx-a3eD1eH/?taken-by=independenttrucks)
Could this be the showing of the 144's?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BQx-a3eD1eH/?taken-by=independenttrucks (https://www.instagram.com/p/BQx-a3eD1eH/?taken-by=independenttrucks)
Could this be the showing of the 144's?
The set they chose to put up on Instagram looks like it has a huge manufacturing fault on the hanger.
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
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The 144s are in the new catalog. Looks exactly the same as all the other Stage 11s, same heights etc...
https://nhsb2b.com/catalogs/61/2017-spring-hardgoods/6/independent/ (https://nhsb2b.com/catalogs/61/2017-spring-hardgoods/6/independent/)
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29vj4hk.jpg)
But it appears not...
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29vj4hk.jpg)
But it appears not...
That's just truck height though - I thought stages had to do with the design and geometry of the entire truck. Ah well small difference anyway. Kind of interested to see if stage 12s ever become a thing.
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Just watched Independent's live stream on Instagram. They showed the 144's and put them next to a board to show the flush-ness. They said they were available now on NHS but they aren't there.
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29vj4hk.jpg)
But it appears not...
That's just truck height though - I thought stages had to do with the design and geometry of the entire truck. Ah well small difference anyway. Kind of interested to see if stage 12s ever become a thing.
well truthfully the stage 11 werent even that big a design and geometry difference compared to stage 10, all they literally did was extend/elongate the pivot stem so it wiggles in the pivot cup more freely for sharper deeper turns and added cylinder bushings. bam stage 11.
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Whoa, I thought they'd only release the standards, but the forged hollows at the lower height too?
I am definitely way more excited about this than I should be.
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29vj4hk.jpg)
But it appears not...
That's just truck height though - I thought stages had to do with the design and geometry of the entire truck. Ah well small difference anyway. Kind of interested to see if stage 12s ever become a thing.
well truthfully the stage 11 werent even that big a design and geometry difference compared to stage 10, all they literally did was extend/elongate the pivot stem so it wiggles in the pivot cup more freely for sharper deeper turns and added cylinder bushings. bam stage 11.
They didn't fuck with the geo as far as anyone has noticed/said.
They are, however, taller and the yoke was adjusted so it didn't bind the top washer to the back of the hanger fucking up the turn and so it wouldn't stick out so much past the bottom washer. They freaked out because ACE and Theeve were gaining traction fixing what was wrong with the 9/10 stages; look at early aces and theeves and then stage XI.
Indy Geo is fine, if a bit slow and predictable (hence no change) but their lightest is still the heaviest. What they really need from a purley marketing pov is a thunder-type truck: light, trim and sharp turning.
ACE/Theeve and Krux are stage II/III - Stage XI attempted to be 5-8 (so they said) but again, all they did was fix the binding/washer issues and the yoke. Why they made them taller, I don't know.
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can't wait till these can be ordered. I'm going to play with my semi-hard cock as I navigate to "144s" on the online retail site and start slowly stroking it as it hardens and more and more rapidly and vigorously as I fill in my name and address. my fully erect cock will be throbbing and quivering when I enter my credit card information. I'll stroke it steadily yet firmly until I ejaculate while clicking the button to confirm my order and wind it down with a few final pumps. as I pant to catch my breath, I'll realize what I've done and regretfully and pathetically wipe the cum off my floor.
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can't wait till these can be ordered. I'm going to play with my semi-hard cock as I navigate to "144s" on the online retail site and start slowly stroking it as it hardens and more and more rapidly and vigorously as I fill in my name and address. my fully erect cock will be throbbing and quivering when I enter my credit card information. I'll stroke it steadily yet firmly until I ejaculate while clicking the button to confirm my order and wind it down with a few final pumps. as I pant to catch my breath, I'll realize what I've done and regretfully and pathetically wipe the cum off my floor.
This is exactly what I needed at 8:43 am. Startin' hump day off right!
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we were good with 149mm...just sayin
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They will be hitting shops by late this week.
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Will there be a hollow one?
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read the catalog dude, it's available in most options.
Skate warehouse has the standards available now
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we were good with 149mm...just sayin
Somebody at NHS has been lurking the truck setups thread. Over there no one's good with anything, for more than a week at least... :)
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skate warehouse posted that they had them online for those interested, but I'm going to stick with 149s
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we were good with 149mm...just sayin
Somebody at NHS has been lurking the truck setups thread. Over there no one's good with anything, for more than a week at least...� :)
aha wait are you saying no ones good with anything at nhs or the trucks tread, cause the trucks thread no one is ever satisfied.
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we were good with 149mm...just sayin
Somebody at NHS has been lurking the truck setups thread. Over there no one's good with anything, for more than a week at least...� :)
aha wait are you saying no ones good with anything at nhs or the trucks tread, cause the trucks thread no one is ever satisfied.
The trucks thread man. It's such a funny thread. I've gone bonkers with trucks too because of the thread. I now seem to have found my ideal pair with Ace 44s with Ace bottom and Bones medium top though. But due to the thread I had to buy mag plates for the Aces to have something to fiddle with.
I've also been wanting to try Thunders and Ventures for a while now cuz of the thread even though I'm pretty sure I'd hate both. :D
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we were good with 149mm...just sayin
Somebody at NHS has been lurking the truck setups thread. Over there no one's good with anything, for more than a week at least...� :)
aha wait are you saying no ones good with anything at nhs or the trucks tread, cause the trucks thread no one is ever satisfied.
The trucks thread man. It's such a funny thread. I've gone bonkers with trucks too because of the thread. I now seem to have found my ideal pair with Ace 44s with Ace bottom and Bones medium top though. But due to the thread I had to buy mag plates for the Aces to have something to fiddle with.
I've also been wanting to try Thunders and Ventures for a while now cuz of the thread even though I'm pretty sure I'd hate both. :D
you cant go wrong with thunders, trust me. the way thunders are made feel like they were actually put through trial and error and pro tested and feedback.
ventures i feel meh, theyre not bad but theyre not up to par with thunder, indy, or ace sadly. theyre right at 4th
im back on my indy 139 low cause they just feel closer to what i remember my old krux downlows feel turn wise. i love my thunders and theyre good trucks but i like my indy 139 lows more cause of the solid indy build/feel but lower center of gravity and quick controlled pop response with that signature indy carvy turn. they just give me better board feel too. i can plug my indy lows on any board and do fine but the thunders i have to get use to from deck to deck oddly
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To market the 144 for 8.25 isn't the best idea imo. The 149 fits perfect on the 8.25. I would even ride my 149s on an 8.18 and the hanger would barley poke out the sides. The 144 seems like it would be ideal for someone who skates an 8.125 or 8.18 that doesn't want to ride 139/149s. Either way pretty cool that Indy is putting out new stuff.
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General rule of thumb is line up your axles with your deck width. Everyone's got their own deal but lots of people are stoked on a 8.25" truck either way.
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Yeah....there is no such thing as 'barely poking out'.....unless you're skating a shaped deck.....
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What a cocktease... Looks like the same stage 11? ::) :'(
Why would they be a different stage just because they're a different size?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29vj4hk.jpg)
But it appears not...
That's just truck height though - I thought stages had to do with the design and geometry of the entire truck. Ah well small difference anyway. Kind of interested to see if stage 12s ever become a thing.
well truthfully the stage 11 werent even that big a design and geometry difference compared to stage 10, all they literally did was extend/elongate the pivot stem so it wiggles in the pivot cup more freely for sharper deeper turns and added cylinder bushings. bam stage 11.
They didn't fuck with the geo as far as anyone has noticed/said.
They are, however, taller and the yoke was adjusted so it didn't bind the top washer to the back of the hanger fucking up the turn and so it wouldn't stick out so much past the bottom washer. They freaked out because ACE and Theeve were gaining traction fixing what was wrong with the 9/10 stages; look at early aces and theeves and then stage XI.
Indy Geo is fine, if a bit slow and predictable (hence no change) but their lightest is still the heaviest. What they really need from a purley marketing pov is a thunder-type truck: light, trim and sharp turning.
ACE/Theeve and Krux are stage II/III - Stage XI attempted to be 5-8 (so they said) but again, all they did was fix the binding/washer issues and the yoke. Why they made them taller, I don't know.
I have always been waiting for an indy 149 low, like the thunder 149 high but still no luck. There seem to be an awful lot of people (including me) who do not use indys because of the height. During my 139/7.8 days i would swear by independent but since i upped my board's/trucks' width, indys are too much.
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^^^I know it's not always optimal but have you tried smaller wheels? Or the forged baseplates?
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Just to clarify...
Indys
Standards: 55mm
Hollow forged: 53.5mm
Lows: 48.5mm
Thunders
151/149 HI: 52.3mm
143/145/147 HI: 49.78
143/145 LO: 48.3
I ride 8.25" decks. 149 (Indy or Thunder) seem to fit perfectly. That said, I am sure I'll try a pair of 144, because, well, skate nerd.
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Just to clarify...
Indys
Standards: 55mm
Hollow forged: 53.5mm
Lows: 48.5mm
Thunders
151/149 HI: 52.3mm
143/145/147 HI: 49.78
143/145 LO: 48.3
I ride 8.25" decks. 149 (Indy or Thunder) seem to fit perfectly. That said, I am sure I'll try a pair of 144, because, well, skate nerd.
I ride mostly 8.25" decks too on wintertime and I can't take 149's, imo they just don't fit. Can't wait those things arrive here so I can stop riding these 8.25 Furys... in summer i skate 139's on 8" board, they fit perfectly.
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^^^I know it's not always optimal but have you tried smaller wheels? Or the forged baseplates?
I think i already am at small wheel territory (52-51mm) but the forged baseplates sound like a good idea. Since i don't like to mix truck components i will have to wait until my current thunders' axle slip gets intolerable and to look for the forged indys then. According to Sedition's post their height is only just above 1 mm over thunders so i should be more than good with those. I had never noticed the forged ones were lower!
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^^^I know it's not always optimal but have you tried smaller wheels? Or the forged baseplates?
I think i already am at small wheel territory (52-51mm) but the forged baseplates sound like a good idea. Since i don't like to mix truck components i will have to wait until my current thunders' axle slip gets intolerable and to look for the forged indys then. According to Sedition's post their height is only just above 1 mm over thunders so i should be more than good with those. I had never noticed the forged ones were lower!
The baseplates are thinner, it's not that noticeable.
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^^^I know it's not always optimal but have you tried smaller wheels? Or the forged baseplates?
I think i already am at small wheel territory (52-51mm) but the forged baseplates sound like a good idea. Since i don't like to mix truck components i will have to wait until my current thunders' axle slip gets intolerable and to look for the forged indys then. According to Sedition's post their height is only just above 1 mm over thunders so i should be more than good with those. I had never noticed the forged ones were lower!
The baseplates are thinner, it's not that noticeable.
I found it noticeable enough to prefer them.
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anyone have that inside tip on where this little guy, who can't handle the raw ones, can order the forged?
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Has anyone sized up from a 139 to 144 yet? if so how are you liking it.
These might be the push to stop me from using extra speed rings on my inner wheel
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^^^I know it's not always optimal but have you tried smaller wheels? Or the forged baseplates?
I think i already am at small wheel territory (52-51mm) but the forged baseplates sound like a good idea. Since i don't like to mix truck components i will have to wait until my current thunders' axle slip gets intolerable and to look for the forged indys then. According to Sedition's post their height is only just above 1 mm over thunders so i should be more than good with those. I had never noticed the forged ones were lower!
The baseplates are thinner, it's not that noticeable.
Have you ever tried a regular baseplate and then one with the forged right after? I think it feels like it could be a different truck model even..
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Not sure if abd but, NHS is already selling the 144s
http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-silver-silver-standard (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-silver-silver-standard)
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Not sure if abd but, NHS is already selling the 144s
http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-silver-silver-standard (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-silver-silver-standard)
also at sw and tactics now. I'm waiting for the reynolds models.
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Picked up a set today, looking forward to trying them out tomorrow.
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Picked up a set today, looking forward to trying them out tomorrow.
do you have any 149s? Lotto a see a pic of th 144s next to som 149s.
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Set them up already so it's not the best comparison photo but the 144s are noticeably shorter.
(http://mydumbluck.com/SLAP/149144.jpg)
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Set them up already so it's not the best comparison photo but the 144s are noticeably shorter.
(http://mydumbluck.com/SLAP/149144.jpg)
Thanks mate. Picture is exactly what I was looking for.
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Just got them in. The axles measure exactly 8.25" wide. I'm setting them up with a Real 8.25x32 and they are completely flush with the edge of the board (at mounting point). The aluminum part of the hanger also surprisingly measures true to size at 144mm.
I wonder how Ermico lines up the mounting holes? Some are clearly closer the edge of the baseplate than the other. Upon further inspection, the baseplates are way out of square. Additionally, Stage XIs look shinier than older stages, but there are deep casting marks compared to a Stage VIII (which have a course finish, but all previously sharp corners are rounded off and casting marks are smoothed out). I know trucks are meant for abuse, but I felt that Indys were once semi-precision components. And if the baseplates are trapezoidal, that does not make feel confident with hole alignment.
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Are they gonna come with forged or titanium options?
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Titaniums im sure of, i cant remember if the catalog posted a page back had a forged version. I'd guess they would, it seems almost every page had the new 144 logo on it, might just be a more scaled back release, maybe late spring/summer
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Are they gonna come with forged or titanium options?
Yes on both, but not for all of the Signature models or color options. Right now, stores only have standard 144s available.
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Just got them in. The axles measure exactly 8.25" wide. I'm setting them up with a Real 8.25x32 and they are completely flush with the edge of the board (at mounting point). The aluminum part of the hanger also surprisingly measures true to size at 144mm.
I wonder how Ermico lines up the mounting holes? Some are clearly closer the edge of the baseplate than the other. Upon further inspection, the baseplates are way out of square. Additionally, Stage XIs look shinier than older stages, but there are deep casting marks compared to a Stage VIII (which have a course finish, but all previously sharp corners are rounded off and casting marks are smoothed out). I know trucks are meant for abuse, but I felt that Indys were once semi-precision components. And if the baseplates are trapezoidal, that does not make feel confident with hole alignment.
damn it sucks...could you post pics ?
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Does anyone know where to get some 144 in Europe?
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Set some up with a 8.25" Scumco the other day. I really liked the way they felt with that deck.
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Same here, great combo.
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Maybe this has been said but I was riding some 149 stage 11s and found them to be a little too bulky - After switching to 146 stage 8s after riding some 8.25 krux, i feel like i have way better control of the board, especially on ledges. The only thing the more narrow truck is worse for is slappys.
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Maybe this has been said but I was riding some 149 stage 11s and found them to be a little too bulky - After switching to 146 stage 8s after riding some 8.25 krux, i feel like i have way better control of the board, especially on ledges. The only this the more narrow truck is worse for is slappys.
If cost isn't a barrier, some 149 forged hollows or Ti might suit you?
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Im talking about bulk as in size. its not about the weight but the length of the axle. i wouldn't even want to set up 149s again at this point
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More of the 144s are slowly popping up on the NHS site.
Here are Forged Titaniums:
http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-stage-11-forged-titanium-black-truck-co-standard (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-stage-11-forged-titanium-black-truck-co-standard)
Unfortunately, they've only got the black ones so far. I'm holding out for the plain silver.
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I think these trucks are intended for people who have 139's....sizing down trucks will cause you pain....
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As A shop it just eliminates the 139.
I will be selling 144's to people riding 8 and up probably.
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As A shop it just eliminates the 139.
I will be selling 144's to people riding 8 and up probably.
But 8.1 and 139s is the best combo ever.
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Sucks to see Indy get all graphic happy a la Thunder. Those titanium with the cross on
The hanger looks like shit.
Graphics on trucks seem suitable for 9 year olds.
More of the 144s are slowly popping up on the NHS site.
Here are Forged Titaniums:
http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-stage-11-forged-titanium-black-truck-co-standard (http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/144-stage-11-forged-titanium-black-truck-co-standard)
Unfortunately, they've only got the black ones so far. I'm holding out for the plain silver.
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Agreed, no one is spending $80 on those.
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Wow, thats pricey, they're like $14 cheaper on socal and probably every other shop that'll get them in
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I was told they jack the prices up on there so people will support a shop before buying direct.
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I was told they jack the prices up on there so people will support a shop before buying direct.
I've heard that as well, if true good on them. I've only purchased from NHS when I can't find a specific deck anywhere else.
I'm kind of eyeing those Hollow Kremers...makes you wonder why they didn't bother making raws in other options first, but it might depend on what is in the queue at the time, e.g., those logo/black Tis and the Kremers.
Im talking about bulk as in size. its not about the weight but the length of the axle. i wouldn't even want to set up 149s again at this point
I've been riding a pair of Theeve ti 8.18" on both an 8.25" and 8.38" (the 8.38 tapers enough so its not magic caroet) - I set up another 8.25" with some 149s and it seemed, felt awkward, which is odd given that combo is all I skated for years and years. Guess I just got used to the 8.25" ish width.
Let's go Thunder 148s ;)
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I was told they jack the prices up on there so people will support a shop before buying direct.
I've heard that as well, if true good on them. I've only purchased from NHS when I can't find a specific deck anywhere else.
I'm kind of eyeing those Hollow Kremers...makes you wonder why they didn't bother making raws in other options first, but it might depend on what is in the queue at the time, e.g., those logo/black Tis and the Kremers.
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Im talking about bulk as in size. its not about the weight but the length of the axle. i wouldn't even want to set up 149s again at this point
I've been riding a pair of Theeve ti 8.18" on both an 8.25" and 8.38" (the 8.38 tapers enough so its not magic caroet) - I set up another 8.25" with some 149s and it seemed, felt awkward, which is odd given that combo is all I skated for years and years. Guess I just got used to the 8.25" ish width.
Let's go Thunder 148s ;)
Yeah, i'm not feeling the price or the colorway. I just figure once I see them pop up on there that it's a good indicator they'll be available elsewhere soon.
However, I too am really wanting some Thunder 148s! I'll be an Indy guy though until Thunder gets that worked out.
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Has anyone set them up on an 8.38 or bigger?
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Has anyone set them up on an 8.38 or bigger?
Why? Because you miss the magic carpet feel of 139's on an 8.25?
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Has anyone set them up on an 8.38 or bigger?
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Has anyone set them up on an 8.38 or bigger?
I've been rocking a set of the 144 Kremer hollows/cast plates since they released, love'em. Usually I'm a weight whore and get Ti but I really wanted regular plates.
Set them up on and 8.25" for a week, then fooled around on an 8.38 (blood wizard - and while still 'full' it narrows juuuust after the trucks so it fits great. I'd wager 8.125" decks would work fine as well (having ridden ace 44s on one).
Interestingly enough, the 144s at 55mm don't feel at all tippy like the 8'24" Krux do. Go figure.
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Has anyone set them up on an 8.38 or bigger?
I've been rocking a set of the 144 Kremer hollows/cast plates since they released, love'em. Usually I'm a weight whore and get Ti but I really wanted regular plates.
Set them up on and 8.25" for a week, then fooled around on an 8.38 (blood wizard - and while still 'full' it narrows juuuust after the trucks so it fits great. I'd wager 8.125" decks would work fine as well (having ridden ace 44s on one).
Interestingly enough, the 144s at 55mm don't feel at all tippy like the 8'24" Krux do. Go figure.
yo xen if your done with those krux 8.25 can i have them?
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The news of the "in-between" truck is great... I've only got two sets of stage 10s left on ice until I have to try and get used to the stage 11 skyscrapers. I think the difference is ridiculously small, like 53mm to 55mm, but it feels SO much different. Stage 10 is a perfect truck in my eyes... or... maybe it isn't, but it's what I'm used to. Kind of the same thing haha, you can't ask a man to change trucks after so many years. Decks and wheels are fun to experiment with, but trucks?!
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any release on the plain silver titanium versions? i want to try them but im not buying black trucks
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the reynolds 144s are available. those look sweet.
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The news of the "in-between" truck is great... I've only got two sets of stage 10s left on ice until I have to try and get used to the stage 11 skyscrapers. I think the difference is ridiculously small, like 53mm to 55mm, but it feels SO much different. Stage 10 is a perfect truck in my eyes... or... maybe it isn't, but it's what I'm used to. Kind of the same thing haha, you can't ask a man to change trucks after so many years. Decks and wheels are fun to experiment with, but trucks?!
The whole time I was reading this, I imagined Larry David standing in an elevator saying this whole paragraph out loud to some stranger
(http://oldiesbp.hopto.org/CurbScripts/season-1/images/05/0105-elevator.jpg)