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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: smellsdead on February 20, 2017, 05:53:09 AM
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http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017 (http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017)
starting the week off right
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Gonna assume it goes something like this
"So, there is one massively obvious question, and i'm not going to ask it"
edit: standing corrected...
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I'm at the last 10 min of it, and they do talk about it. It's a little heavy, definitely not how I expected Marc to go about it. Specially considering the last interview about it with Daewon he looked wacked out of his mind.
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i didnt like it because they keep saying 18. fuck
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Kinda awkward to hear Roger talk about skate companies making shitty shoes with Kelly sitting right there.
It was a decent interview and I'm glad he finally addressed it, but nothing was really answered that we didn't already know. We know that he was asked to wait for his announcement, and we sorta have to assume that he agreed because otherwise why would Carroll wait until after the premiere to kick him off Chocolate and go off about it?
I don't really fault him for switching if things are really going poorly at Crailtap, but the whole controversy is how he did it and this doesn't really answer any of it.
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The audio isn't working for me...
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Kinda awkward to hear Roger talk about skate companies making shitty shoes with Kelly sitting right there.
It was a decent interview and I'm glad he finally addressed it, but nothing was really answered that we didn't already know. We know that he was asked to wait for his announcement, and we sorta have to assume that he agreed because otherwise why would Carroll wait until after the premiere to kick him off Chocolate and go off about it?
I don't really fault him for switching if things are really going poorly at Crailtap, but the whole controversy is how he did it and this doesn't really answer any of it.
I think the answer that seems to appear is being shook by the death of his mother, alcoholism, debts/no savings to pay for life expenses. I can see what is priority was, and waiting 5 months and being diplomatic about it wasn't an appropriate road for him.
On the other hand, MC was/is strugglin, has seen all his major riders and designers (Jeff Mikut on NB, Scott Johnston on Lakai) leaving the boat, and thought having MJ in the team and barely paying him would help Lakai.
A lot of guys left Lakai, and there's a reason for that, the reason is money and opportunities.
Both are faulty for miscommunication, both made poor decisions, and both have their reasons to explain their respective shitty behaviours.
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Would love to see those detailed drawings of Marc's Emerica shoe--also pretty crazy to think of how much footage of his is lost, or how much footage of any pro really just gets forgotten or tucked away.
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Sounds like the situation was handled poorly by both sides. Sending smaller checks and pretending like it was an accident and then later being like oh yeah we need to give you a pay cut is just really shitty.
Pretty crazy that a 40 year old pro who's been insanely popular for the last two decades still lives check by check so bad that getting a pay cut for a few months is gonna financially collapse him... Sounds like dude is gonna be struggling hard when he eventually won't be able to skate on a top pro level
Don't know if I'm just getting older, but MJ is fucking annoying to listen these days. Had a hard time listening through all that which is rare for nine club. Will always be a fan of his skating though
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Would love to see those detailed drawings of Marc's Emerica shoe--also pretty crazy to think of how much footage of his is lost, or how much footage of any pro really just gets forgotten or tucked away.
Probably hours.
Even just filming my friends there's soooo many clips that get logged and just sit on the hard drive because they've done better stuff, just messing around, didn't fit with the edit, etc. but when it comes to someone like Stranger or MJ or Gino...that type of thing is pure fucking gold. Crazy to think about.
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I felt like we heard a lot of these answers and interviews from MJ. I didn't really hear anything new. I did like him talking about Wes' part. That part is a classic part.
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TLDL?
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TLDL?
Im living paycheck to paycheck, Lakai was fakin about my money, my mom died, I put my house up for sale, I got a kid to support.
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YO THAT END HAD ME DYING ....LMAO
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Kinda awkward to hear Roger talk about skate companies making shitty shoes with Kelly sitting right there.
It was a decent interview and I'm glad he finally addressed it, but nothing was really answered that we didn't already know. We know that he was asked to wait for his announcement, and we sorta have to assume that he agreed because otherwise why would Carroll wait until after the premiere to kick him off Chocolate and go off about it?
I don't really fault him for switching if things are really going poorly at Crailtap, but the whole controversy is how he did it and this doesn't really answer any of it.
Exactly. Although he said "I'm not a victim," all what he said was saying how he was a victim. Whatever, I knew they'd never actually get to the core of it, but oh well. I enjoyed the majority of that and will still always love Marc as one of my favorite skaters. Still on team Carroll regarding the debacle.
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Im living paycheck to paycheck, Lakai was fakin about my money, my mom died, I put my house up for sale, I got a kid to support.
It was a lot more to it....the whoring of skating through social media- Video Parts getting buried after a couple of hours of being uploaded and you give me a paycut expecting to have a hard on about churning out parts (gold).
And asking someone to wait 5-6 months with little to no pay is unreasonable ...i would have left as soon as I got that first skimped check
It was funny hearing him talk about Go-Skate, I cant remember if it was Caswell who used to ride/work for them..or Aaron Vandenbulke
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MJ bringing Crob the ipad on a stand playing a 4.5 hour loop of the switch flip switch manny was AMAZING.
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MJ bringing Crob the ipad on a stand playing a 4.5 hour loop of the switch flip switch manny was AMAZING.
Crob's face lights up just at the mention of a gift.
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what was he looking at?
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Ofcourse it's 2 hours long. Egotistical douchebag
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Ofcourse it's 2 hours long. Egotistical douchebag
Did you even listen to it?
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MJ bringing Crob the ipad on a stand playing a 4.5 hour loop of the switch flip switch manny was AMAZING.
Crob's face lights up just at the mention of a gift.
Thought he was finally getting a box from someone.
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Best one yet (apart from the reda one)
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MJ bringing Crob the ipad on a stand playing a 4.5 hour loop of the switch flip switch manny was AMAZING.
Crob's face lights up just at the mention of a gift.
Thought he was finally getting a box from someone.
(http://i.imgur.com/QPZUwsX.jpg)
What's in your bag bro?
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If what Marc is saying is true, which I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it is, then what Crailtap did is borderline illegal and justifies Marc's behaviour imo. Skateboarding is funny, because companies continually fuck over employees yet get no backlash. Like how many shit stories are there of Tum Yeto treating people like shit? Countless. Yet everyone is upset over Nike and Adidas.
Otherwise not a bad episode, and what they touched on re: online content is definitely worth thinking about, though will no doubt fall on deaf ears.
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I wonder how much of his Fully Flared part was filmed drunk. Obviously skating drunk goes back to the beginning of its history but this dude was doing some ultra tech stuff.
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I back MJ
Although it's a shitty situation on both ends
Carroll is a fuckin millionaire out partying and buying shit like crazy, but he can't pay Marc to help him out? Even if the 5 months was off the books?
Marc's not egotistical at all. Quite the opposite in my opinion.
Anyways great episode and up next we have Marc on the weekend buzz pretty quick.
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I kind of wished they would have spoken about any of Marc's board sponsor situation. I mean unless no one wants to touch him but I would think any company would want him to ride for them. I would think Numbers would be the best fit for him with Eric and Guy but so want him back on Enjoi.
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Mj was in the right, and he is way sicker than MC or Crail in any and all ways
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Pretty much what I expected him to say-misunderstanding!
The guy is a former SOTY with loads of pro shoes behind him. Had to be making 10k a month plus for a number of years, how the fuck is he living paycheck to paycheck?
Can see both sides but it fucks me off these skate companies think they can send out a light cheque and act like nothing happened!
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Mj was in the right, and he is way sicker than MC or Crail in any and all ways
So just because MJ was able to say something about the situation that he's had months to prep without Carrol next to him to argue points means that everything he says is perfectly correct? I'm not saying Carrol is perfect in this situation, but it's silly to just hear MJ's explanation as 100% truth without bias.
Also, I'm pretty sure the MJ shoe was one of the top selling Emerica shoes for a long period of time. With all of his sponsors throughout the year, and signature shoes on top brands, there's no way he hasn't made top %1 pro money in his career. Sorry if I don't sympathize with his paycheck to paycheck bs. He may well be, but then he blew through a shit ton of money somehow.
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Pretty much what I expected him to say-misunderstanding!
The guy is a former SOTY with loads of pro shoes behind him. Had to be making 10k a month plus for a number of years, how the fuck is he living paycheck to paycheck?
Can see both sides but it fucks me off these skate companies think they can send out a light cheque and act like nothing happened!
My only guess would be he blew all his money on alcohol cause I'm sure other pros were making the same amount of money as MJ back in the day and saved so they wouldn't have to live pay check to pay check. Also you'd hope he'd have been spending money on his kid not spending it all.
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Have you guys seen his house? I guess I understand if the checks r a few grand. The part when he talked about skate videos no longer being special made me sad
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Seems like MJ spends a lot of time overthinking what he is going through and not enough time talking to other people about it.
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Haven't listened to this yet but people are saying he talked about online parts/footy, the decline of full-length videos, etc. Did he say anything new and that hasn't already been said by almost every other pro? Or did he just say the same things but more rambling?
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Pretty much what I expected him to say-misunderstanding!
The guy is a former SOTY with loads of pro shoes behind him. Had to be making 10k a month plus for a number of years, how the fuck is he living paycheck to paycheck?
Can see both sides but it fucks me off these skate companies think they can send out a light cheque and act like nothing happened!
My only guess would be he blew all his money on alcohol cause I'm sure other pros were making the same amount of money as MJ back in the day and saved so they wouldn't have to live pay check to pay check. Also you'd hope he'd have been spending money on his kid not spending it all.
He got raped in child support. Been there done that.
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Pretty much what I expected him to say-misunderstanding!
The guy is a former SOTY with loads of pro shoes behind him. Had to be making 10k a month plus for a number of years, how the fuck is he living paycheck to paycheck?
Can see both sides but it fucks me off these skate companies think they can send out a light cheque and act like nothing happened!
My only guess would be he blew all his money on alcohol cause I'm sure other pros were making the same amount of money as MJ back in the day and saved so they wouldn't have to live pay check to pay check. Also you'd hope he'd have been spending money on his kid not spending it all.
He got raped in child support. Been there done that.
A Mortgage in LA isn't cheap either
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Hearing MJ casually say, "when you're in DT's..." so casually about delirium tremens was really subtly harrowing.
Cool that he was so complimentary of Wes Kramer's Crusty by Nature.
He talks about crailtap after 1:20:00 ish.
Sucks that they kept trying to steer him away from the heavy stuff. It came off really strange that as professional chat show hosts that they weren't ready for that. When he was talking about alcoholism ending his time at enjoi, they steered to his emerica shoe out of nowhere. Later they flat out said, "let's get back to the happy place" and "everybody knows you and everybody loves you". Maybe it was in that best interest of the show and the moral, and he did at times seem kind of unstable, but I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been. It seemed like he had more to say and was hushed.
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so there was somebody from Adidas there or remotely listening?
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soon as they mention the Adidas thing, hes whole body language changes and looks down and fidgets with shit, I feel like he never tells for storys that are 100% true, still think there is more too it. thought they would address the Chocolate thing aswell and whats next for him, he kinda reminds me of Richie Jackson and all about himself, listening to him courses me to get anxious and frustrated, dudes strange and weird, great skateboarder but fuck I get like OCD watching and listening to him
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
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Hearing MJ casually say, "when you're in DT's..." so casually about delirium tremens was really subtly harrowing.
Cool that he was so complimentary of Wes Kramer's Crusty by Nature.
He talks about crailtap after 1:20:00 ish.
Sucks that they kept trying to steer him away from the heavy stuff. It came off really strange that as professional chat show hosts that they weren't ready for that. When he was talking about alcoholism ending his time at enjoi, they steered to his emerica shoe out of nowhere. Later they flat out said, "let's get back to the happy place" and "everybody knows you and everybody loves you". Maybe it was in that best interest of the show and the moral, and he did at times seem kind of unstable, but I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been. It seemed like he had more to say and was hushed.
It wasn't going to be Frost Nixon but I admire The 9 for addressing it. Chris doesn't have a bunch of sponsors at this point.
Kinda awkward for Roberts give a forum to discuss how his current boss crucified MJ.
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
Those two things aren't the same.
Living paycheck to paycheck literally means that if you miss a paycheck you can't live. If you have savings and you miss a check it's an inconviance and it would completely suck and justify him switching sponsor and all that, but a guy who's had a career like his and lived the way he has (I've seen his house in photos in some old interview in a mag and it was large and nice and I think it had a bit of land with it too) should have some money saved. I love MJ and his skating but if your income is say 10k a month and your living expenses are also 10k then that's mismanaging money, and that's living paycheck to paycheck.
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i love the nine club and listen to each episode, this was great to get MJ on the show and shed some light,
of course it couldn't be as brutal as it could be being Roberts is still employed by Chocolate but felt it was handled well.
In regards to his check to check living, Houses, kids, cars, bills & life all are expensive.
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Look at all these Marc Johnson experts
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did you people miss the dozen times when he said he has a fucking kid? do you have any idea how much it costs to raise a child? save for retirement? pay a mortgage? it also seemed like he was hinting at Emerica not really paying him that much despite designing one of their top selling shoes.
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His house in Big Bear has been well documented, he had a handful of tricks from home built obstacles there in Fully Flared.
He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
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I bet Chris talked with Carroll well before the show, Chris is a smart guy, I wouldn't even speculate if he is in trouble with his boss. A couple of times at the end I thought Marc was going to cry even start balling, his voiced choked up at least once. I agree how he left after 15 years was insanely shitty and it's terrible the way the relationships are, maybe things are better, who knows.
So on to his side of the story.....Marc said Lakai breached his contract with the short pays because parts of his contract were non-negotiable? Then he gets a Fall pay cut so maybe that part of the contract, was negotiable? Then he gets a Spring pay cut shortly after and was given the ok to look for another shoe sponsor. He gets sponsored by Adidas but can't go skate because he is essentially skating for both brands and not sure what shoes to wear? But getting paid by neither at that point? Some of this is so unclear. This is where Marc's story gets confusing, why not 100% quit Lakai then? Maybe he thought Lakai was going to rebound? But in the meanwhile he will get the ball rolling with Adidas on the side? I don't know...I'm confused by the business side of Marc's explanation, but his reasoning to do what he did makes perfect sense, which is get a new shoe sponsor to support his life and son. How he went about it seemed to be in a disgruntled retaliation type towards Lakai, which after 15 years might have been a bad decision. Carroll called him a pathological liar multiple times in the Jenkem interview, still seems unclear. Marc said a few times he is often wrong about things.
Then right before the Away Days premier he films a couple of tricks for the video and according to Carroll in the Jenkem interview, Mike was reaching out to him and getting no answer right before the premier, and the night before Mike point blank texted Marc, will you be in the video and Marc said no. The only thing I can get out of this is these two guys must have been beefing hard from that past Fall to Spring and we don't know the whole story.
Anyways, Marc's early years and living with those dude stealing furniture from hotels was amazing, great story telling. Marc's in depth conversation about the state of video parts and online content was really in depth and well articulated. No one has talked about the issue in that much detail like Marc did in this episode. I think about it all the time too and I have concerns over friends putting out so much content on the daily that gives back no appreciative value in return like it's supposed to. I truly care about that and what it will do to their emotions down the road when all that hard work, mentally and physically goes to nothing, and to top it off they won't be able to find their videos unless they saved in on a hard drive.
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Kinda awkward to hear Roger talk about skate companies making shitty shoes with Kelly sitting right there.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQwdLEHBVVB/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BQwdLEHBVVB/)
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He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/ (https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/)
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did you people miss the dozen times when he said he has a fucking kid?� do you have any idea how much it costs to raise a child?� save for retirement?� pay a mortgage?� it also seemed like he was hinting at Emerica not really paying him that much despite designing one of their top selling shoes.�
Seems odd because heath must've done well enough off Emerica seeing how he hinted that he did well enough with his money to retire after skating if he wanted too. I don't want to get too deep into the guys life but it seems like marc's self destructive behavior brought him to where he's at in life. That said I wish him the best and hope to see at least one more 12 song part out of him
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
This happens often. My employer made everyone step a title (and pay grade) down and laid off all entry level workers. I'm surprised that a disgruntled worker didn't shoot the place up. Another past employer laid everyone off after the 2008 crash, however, they were upfront about their budget projections and how long we had to find new jobs.
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He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/ (https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/)
if he's pathological liar, maybe his mother is still alive. and maybe HE was the alpha dogg who demanded the other nc boys steal furniture and move up and down the western seaboard.
ever think of that?
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
Those two things aren't the same.
Living paycheck to paycheck literally means that if you miss a paycheck you can't live. If you have savings and you miss a check it's an inconviance and it would completely suck and justify him switching sponsor and all that, but a guy who's had a career like his and lived the way he has (I've seen his house in photos in some old interview in a mag and it was large and nice and I think it had a bit of land with it too) should have some money saved. I love MJ and his skating but if your income is say 10k a month and your living expenses are also 10k then that's mismanaging money, and that's living paycheck to paycheck.
You've seen his house. You're an expert.
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He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/ (https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/)
Not sure what's going on here. I'm assuming the Asian kid in the profile photo is Avery Johnson but which clips are his (the most recent clip or the Torey Pudwill looking guy)?
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I dont think MC or MJ were in the wrong. They were just being themselves. Should have been "Just business, aint shit personal", but that is rarely practiced in real life.
On the topic of pay cuts, I always tried to gather all the employes at my workplaces and collectively ask for raises or do some strike type shit. Its a gamble, we all might get fired, but we all might get paid more. Theyrs always a few who arent willing to take that gamble though. I imagine with a skateboard team though, if everyone says "fuck that", that company is probably gonna go out of business if they dont comply. But then you have the issue of them not being able to pay more so its a weird thing.
Feel bad for him cause people were being super assholes when him mom died, calling him names and shit, thats pretty fuckin shitty. lol jeez.
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He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/ (https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/)
Not sure what's going on here. I'm assuming the Asian kid in the profile photo is Avery Johnson but which clips are his (the most recent clip or the Torey Pudwill looking guy)?
MJ's posted clips of Avery on his own feed and has tagged that account, so I'm assuming the profile picture is a joke.
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Glad to here his side. It is a shitty situation all around. Crailtap is clearly failing (or was) and people are desperate to save what they built. MJ may of agreed to something, but then realized he had to act.
Glad to see the usual MJ is back and the rumors about him being a drunken mess again aren't true. Which seemed to be what people was inferring from MC's comments about "personal issues" in his Jenkem inteview. Hopefully, MC was just talking about the mother stuff, and not trying to have people infer what people ended up infering.
Also, I don't think MJ is married anymore, so if he is paying alimony and child support, especially on previous earning projections. He either has to go to court and pay for lawyers to lower his financial responsibilities or find a way to pay for it. These are real financial pressures, that add up quickly.
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He obviously loves his son and his regret to not being there for birthdays and other events seems 100% genuine. C Rob mentioned he is good at skating, I wonder how old he is now. Bag of Suck came out 11 years ago and the kid looked to be around 5, so he may be approaching adulthood. Regardless- I can see Marc wanting to support him fully as he said himself he grew up poor as shit in NC.
https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/ (https://www.instagram.com/averyjohnson__/)
Not sure what's going on here. I'm assuming the Asian kid in the profile photo is Avery Johnson but which clips are his (the most recent clip or the Torey Pudwill looking guy)?
MJ's posted clips of Avery on his own feed and has tagged that account, so I'm assuming the profile picture is a joke.
I saw those clips, but you can't see his face. I know the mother of at least one of his kids is Asian, and being of that persuasion myself, I know those traits overtake the honkey side.
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Hearing MJ casually say, "when you're in DT's..." so casually about delirium tremens was really subtly harrowing.
Cool that he was so complimentary of Wes Kramer's Crusty by Nature.
He talks about crailtap after 1:20:00 ish.
Sucks that they kept trying to steer him away from the heavy stuff. It came off really strange that as professional chat show hosts that they weren't ready for that. When he was talking about alcoholism ending his time at enjoi, they steered to his emerica shoe out of nowhere. Later they flat out said, "let's get back to the happy place" and "everybody knows you and everybody loves you". Maybe it was in that best interest of the show and the moral, and he did at times seem kind of unstable, but I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been. It seemed like he had more to say and was hushed.
Well, I would guess a big part of that is they aren't professional chat show hosts, just some skateboarders dicking around with a podcast where they mostly just talk to their friends.
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
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MJ just seems like an overwhelming personality to be around. So exhausting.
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
It's a fact though, not as black and white as roger said but still true, and it's a big reason why they are struggling. Shutting up about it won't help anyone, if skate shoe companies want to succeed again they need to match the big ones in quality and be vocal about it
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MJ and I are kind of similar when it comes to lying, blaming and dealing with problems.
First he blamed himself for not acting good while being in the contract, saying he's sorry a couple of times and telling he's not the victim. He makes you think he is very reflects a lot and questions his whole behavior. He does not. Rather than that he's presenting Carroll as being the one who is responsible for the whole situation.
Marc is super good at explaining his situation and manipulating everyone - if you give him the freedom to do it. He did not talk about it with anyone for half a year and is now choosing to speak about it with his friends in public? That super safe terrain. I know that shit, I do it all the time if I don't wanna face the real problem. It's a pattern to distract everyone from the real thing. And he does it so gently and not offending anyone, so you sure will believe him. The stuff he's telling makes sense 100% to every listener, but is only a way of self presenting.
Oh, I love blaming people on the internet for shit they do, so it makes me feel better and I can distract from my problems. Same same.
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I was really hoping Carroll was going to come in the room and they were gonna hug this shit out and he would get back on Chocolate. I think skateboarding needs something like that. Great episode, regardless.
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I was really hoping Carroll was going to come in the room and they were gonna hug this shit out and he would get back on Chocolate. I think skateboarding needs something like that. Great episode, regardless.
I was hoping for a death match with a broken in half pool cue commentated by Phelps.
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MJ and I are kind of similar when it comes to lying, blaming and dealing with problems.
First he blamed himself for not acting good while being in the contract, saying he's sorry a couple of times and telling he's not the victim. He makes you think he is very reflects a lot and questions his whole behavior. He does not. Rather than that he's presenting Carroll as being the one who is responsible for the whole situation.
Marc is super good at explaining his situation and manipulating everyone - if you give him the freedom to do it. He did not talk about it with anyone for half a year and is now choosing to speak about it with his friends in public? That super safe terrain. I know that shit, I do it all the time if I don't wanna face the real problem. It's a pattern to distract everyone from the real thing. And he does it so gently and not offending anyone, so you sure will believe him. The stuff he's telling makes sense 100% to every listener, but is only a way of self presenting.
Oh, I love blaming people on the internet for shit they do, so it makes me feel better and I can distract from my problems. Same same.
if you're that self-aware of your issue why do you continue? just curious.
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I was really hoping Carroll was going to come in the room and they were gonna hug this shit out and he would get back on Chocolate. I think skateboarding needs something like that. Great episode, regardless.
I was hoping for a death match with a broken in half pool cue commentated by Phelps.
LOL. Not sure i could deal with that commentary.
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
Those two things aren't the same.
Living paycheck to paycheck literally means that if you miss a paycheck you can't live. If you have savings and you miss a check it's an inconviance and it would completely suck and justify him switching sponsor and all that, but a guy who's had a career like his and lived the way he has (I've seen his house in photos in some old interview in a mag and it was large and nice and I think it had a bit of land with it too) should have some money saved. I love MJ and his skating but if your income is say 10k a month and your living expenses are also 10k then that's mismanaging money, and that's living paycheck to paycheck.
You've seen his house. You're an expert.
All I'm saying is unless you're making almost nothing there is no reason to live paycheck to paycheck, if you scale back and save/invest you wouldn't be paycheck to paycheck at 40.
If your income is 10k then your expenses shouldn't be 10k also, even if they were only 9,500 over the course of 10 years you could save 60k, is it a fortune? No. But it'll get you through some bumps in the road and it'll mean you're not living paycheck to paycheck.
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the part about putting lakai and chocolate before his family and his own life at times, and then getting burnt by those same companies on money, just makes me bummed on rick howard and mike carroll, because i wouldn't doubt that they've done this to other people on crailtap, but they just dont talk about it. im sure something similar probably happened to biebel before he left lakai. if by chance the adidas video didnt have mj in it, would this even be a conversation? he'd just be on adidas and slap would move on to the next topic.
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
Those two things aren't the same.
Living paycheck to paycheck literally means that if you miss a paycheck you can't live. If you have savings and you miss a check it's an inconviance and it would completely suck and justify him switching sponsor and all that, but a guy who's had a career like his and lived the way he has (I've seen his house in photos in some old interview in a mag and it was large and nice and I think it had a bit of land with it too) should have some money saved. I love MJ and his skating but if your income is say 10k a month and your living expenses are also 10k then that's mismanaging money, and that's living paycheck to paycheck.
You've seen his house. You're an expert.
All I'm saying is unless you're making almost nothing there is no reason to live paycheck to paycheck, if you scale back and save/invest you wouldn't be paycheck to paycheck at 40.
If your income is 10k then your expenses shouldn't be 10k also, even if they were only 9,500 over the course of 10 years you could save 60k, is it a fortune? No. But it'll get you through some bumps in the road and it'll mean you're not living paycheck to paycheck.
All I'm saying is that you seem to think you're his accountant when you, and a few others, actually don't know anything about his financial situation.
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yeah fuck crailtap for having their business finances destroyed by big corporate.
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I love MJ and I'm glad he seems in a better place now but that whole "what did I do wrong?" stuff was a bit much. sounded like a kid asking why parents are divorcing or something like he doesn't understand budget cuts. also the "fuck yeah I'll film a clip for the adidas video" stuff, while I get what he's saying, he seems to think this dismisses any accountability for how it went down. like how could he not expect a fallout? sounds like bad communication all around. I do like that he paid homage to the 15 years he was there and that whole crew and era.
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MJ and I are kind of similar when it comes to lying, blaming and dealing with problems.
First he blamed himself for not acting good while being in the contract, saying he's sorry a couple of times and telling he's not the victim. He makes you think he is very reflects a lot and questions his whole behavior. He does not. Rather than that he's presenting Carroll as being the one who is responsible for the whole situation.
Marc is super good at explaining his situation and manipulating everyone - if you give him the freedom to do it. He did not talk about it with anyone for half a year and is now choosing to speak about it with his friends in public? That super safe terrain. I know that shit, I do it all the time if I don't wanna face the real problem. It's a pattern to distract everyone from the real thing. And he does it so gently and not offending anyone, so you sure will believe him. The stuff he's telling makes sense 100% to every listener, but is only a way of self presenting.
Oh, I love blaming people on the internet for shit they do, so it makes me feel better and I can distract from my problems. Same same.
I'm way better now. Until 2 years ago I commented on a lot of stuff on the internet and found myself in weird situations like that a lot. I try to be more oriented on the solution now rather than being clever about blaming others. It still happens and I feel super guilty. It's a subconscious thing that is just hard to change. And I might contradict myself because I did the same thing with the interpretation of Marc's mind.
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
It's a fact though, not as black and white as roger said but still true, and it's a big reason why they are struggling. Shutting up about it won't help anyone, if skate shoe companies want to succeed again they need to match the big ones in quality and be vocal about it
I think it's the other way around, if anything. It's all about marketing, and if the majority of the coolest pros are wearing these bigger brands, people will follow whether they admit it or not. And because of this, a lot of brands don't have the money or support to be as innovative or consistent with releases like Nike who pump out new shoes very regularly. But to say everyone else is just making shitty shoes is downright asinine and shows that he either doesn't skate very much or only wears "cool" shoes and wants to have a complex about it.
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
It's a fact though, not as black and white as roger said but still true, and it's a big reason why they are struggling. Shutting up about it won't help anyone, if skate shoe companies want to succeed again they need to match the big ones in quality and be vocal about it
I think it's the other way around, if anything. It's all about marketing, and if the majority of the coolest pros are wearing these bigger brands, people will follow whether they admit it or not. And because of this, a lot of brands don't have the money or support to be as innovative or consistent with releases like Nike who pump out new shoes very regularly. But to say everyone else is just making shitty shoes is downright asinine and shows that he either doesn't skate very much or only wears "cool" shoes and wants to have a complex about it.
Good points. IT"S ALL ABOUT MARKETING.
And he sure as shit didn't address quality issues with Don Brown when he was on. And won't again if they ever have Carroll on.
I'm going to restate this below so the 'new users' and 'anons' can find it in either thread.
And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company. Really lost a lot of respect for that dude. But I guess if you want to work in the industry, those are your new overlords. And they will exact a tribute. Enter Brink's MJ interview...
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejsdKHgwsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejsdKHgwsU#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejsdKHgwsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejsdKHgwsU#)
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
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I almost wonder if they steered the topic away from the departure from enjoi because it so mirrored the way he left crail: basically got spun, lost his shit, decided "fuck it" & bailed without communicating to anyone. MJ sounds like an invaluable asset to a company up til the point he burns out, freaks out & bails with no warning. I guess you take the bitter with the sweet when you hire this dude.
But fuck all that - how the hell can you have Marc fucking Johnson on the show & ask so little about SKATEBOARDING? Maybe I'm alone on this & everyone really wants to hear another tedious retracing of a dude's arc through the industry, babbling about shoe designs, business, etc. but man I would LOVE to turn this show over to Kelly for an episode (or anyone who's a genuine skate rat) and ask the kinda questions skate rats want to hear.
There's so many tricks from MJs parts I'd love to hear stories about: how long did this take to land? What's your technique for that trick? Tell me about how you even thought of doing that combo? My ears pricked up when Roberts asked if he was skating lately - I love hearing about what dudes are up to skate-wise, what tricks they're working on, how skating is feeling to them lately, etc. But of course that didn't go anywhere since Roberts really just wants to talk industry shit.
Oh well, still a fascinating watch. MJ sounds like kind of a mess, but I feel for a lot of what he's struggled with. And he's one of the greatest to ever step on a plank.
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
There's been many interviews with pros that during the height of the golden years, monthly checks off shoe royalties would be 10, 20, 30 thousand a month. Sumner's shoe on Adio once had a royalty check of 300k for one month. Obviously that's quite rare, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he was making 250k-500k a year for at least several years.
Like I said before, I'm not denying he might be living paycheck to paycheck, but I don't feel sympathy for his little rant about providing for his kid as an excuse to go to Adidas. There's tons of pros with families and no shoe sponsors and suck it up by doing other gigs on the side to make ends meet.
I don't care he rides for Adidas and glad he's hooked up because I do think he's one of the greatest skaters ever and one of my favorites, but I just wish there was more talk where he admitted he was in the wrong. It just felt very mentally scripted when the chat shifted gears.
Maybe he needs to have a talk with Khakis to diversify his bonds...
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Yo AV club Pals, who can make a filter so it removes Kelly Hart's laugh?
Crob, if you're reading this, make a pay subscribe without his laugh and I'll buy every episode of it. Mad cringes everytime...
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
There's been many interviews with pros that during the height of the golden years, monthly checks off shoe royalties would be 10, 20, 30 thousand a month. Sumner's shoe on Adio once had a royalty check of 300k for one month. Obviously that's quite rare, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he was making 250k-500k a year for at least several years.
Sources?
Probably gonna end up eating Sumner's shoes on this one but 300K for a single month seems so fucking outlandish to me.
For example, Kerry Getz states he was getting $7000 a month for a baseline salary at DVS during that same time period, plus royalties, of which his best quarterly royalty check was $47,000. (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2015/04/09/the-cky-era-with-kerry-getz/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2015/04/09/the-cky-era-with-kerry-getz/))
My memory is hazy but I do not remember people giving a shit about Sumner or his shoe on Adio, whereas Getz was a fucking king and one of the most well regarded pro's, so it seems pretty crazy to think Sumner made more than double Getz's yearly royalties in a single month.
Again, I could be totally in the wrong here, Adio had that Bam and Hawk money, but I dunno...
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
There's been many interviews with pros that during the height of the golden years, monthly checks off shoe royalties would be 10, 20, 30 thousand a month. Sumner's shoe on Adio once had a royalty check of 300k for one month. Obviously that's quite rare, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he was making 250k-500k a year for at least several years.
Like I said before, I'm not denying he might be living paycheck to paycheck, but I don't feel sympathy for his little rant about providing for his kid as an excuse to go to Adidas. There's tons of pros with families and no shoe sponsors and suck it up by doing other gigs on the side to make ends meet.
I don't care he rides for Adidas and glad he's hooked up because I do think he's one of the greatest skaters ever and one of my favorites, but I just wish there was more talk where he admitted he was in the wrong. It just felt very mentally scripted when the chat shifted gears.
Maybe he needs to have a talk with Khakis to diversify his bonds...
Why should Marc tough it out with a second job to wait it out for a company that isn't paying him for 7 months so they can dump his product because they can't afford to live up to their contract. Who knows if Adidas would wait it out for him? No one has given Crailtap more in the way of footage since he got on, the guy worked his ass off.
I feel bad for Rick and Mike that their life's work might be falling apart, but that doesn't absolve them from shorting MJ and asking him to do something that seems quite unreasonable (wait 7 months without a primary source of income). Marc didn't handle it well at all if Carroll's side is to be believed, but that doesn't absolve them from fault. If they wanted to wait 7 months, then pay him 7 months of his full salary of the original deal.
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
There's been many interviews with pros that during the height of the golden years, monthly checks off shoe royalties would be 10, 20, 30 thousand a month. Sumner's shoe on Adio once had a royalty check of 300k for one month. Obviously that's quite rare, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he was making 250k-500k a year for at least several years.
Like I said before, I'm not denying he might be living paycheck to paycheck, but I don't feel sympathy for his little rant about providing for his kid as an excuse to go to Adidas. There's tons of pros with families and no shoe sponsors and suck it up by doing other gigs on the side to make ends meet.
I don't care he rides for Adidas and glad he's hooked up because I do think he's one of the greatest skaters ever and one of my favorites, but I just wish there was more talk where he admitted he was in the wrong. It just felt very mentally scripted when the chat shifted gears.
Maybe he needs to have a talk with Khakis to diversify his bonds...
I feel bad for Rick and Mike that their life's work might be falling apart, but that doesn't absolve them from shorting MJ and asking him to do something that seems quite unreasonable (wait 7 months without a primary source of income). Marc didn't handle it well at all if Carroll's side is to be believed, but that doesn't absolve them from fault. If they wanted to wait 7 months, then pay him 7 months of his full salary of the original deal.
I was more referring to just his attitude about the situation during the interview and not the situation itself. Obviously that would suck to not be paid for that long, especially with the amount of work put in.
And mattchew, to answer your question, I heard that figure from an interview with Sumner, but it may very well be not 100% accurate. I was more or less just hinting to the fact that in the hey day of skating, people were making quite a bit if you had a shoe. The one that sold so well on Adio for him was that one that had the British flag on it. I used to see that thing everywhere, so it sort of made sense to me when I read it.
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loved every minute of it. ? love MJ. ? loved MJ talking about Wes Kremer's part. ? love the lakai MJ xlk. love marc on adidas. ?
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
It's a fact though, not as black and white as roger said but still true, and it's a big reason why they are struggling. Shutting up about it won't help anyone, if skate shoe companies want to succeed again they need to match the big ones in quality and be vocal about it
It's not a fact though. Lakai, Emerica have always had good shoes. People will say something along the lines of "I had some Lakai's and they blew out in a week", yeah well that happens sometimes with gear when you skate. I've been given Nikes and Adidas in the past and they have never ever been of a higher quality then any Lakai or Emerica shoe I've ever owned.
Emerica has been vocal about lifting their quality in the past (see the "higher quality" campaign) which I thought was a bold way to go when in reality they didn't really have to, but felt a need to because of bullshit statements spread by people like Roger and yourself.
Some of you guys love skating enough to sit on a website all day talking about every minor detail about it, but for whatever reason don't want to support the companies that have skateboardings best interests at heart. Actual skate companies. Not sportwear brands that are clearly in skating because it's cool right now and they can make money off it. If you love skateboarding then fucking support it.
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But fuck all that - how the hell can you have Marc fucking Johnson on the show & ask so little about SKATEBOARDING? Maybe I'm alone on this & everyone really wants to hear another tedious retracing of a dude's arc through the industry, babbling about shoe designs, business, etc. but man I would LOVE to turn this show over to Kelly for an episode (or anyone who's a genuine skate rat) and ask the kinda questions skate rats want to hear.
There's so many tricks from MJs parts I'd love to hear stories about: how long did this take to land? What's your technique for that trick? Tell me about how you even thought of doing that combo? My ears pricked up when Roberts asked if he was skating lately - I love hearing about what dudes are up to skate-wise, what tricks they're working on, how skating is feeling to them lately, etc. But of course that didn't go anywhere since Roberts really just wants to talk industry shit.
Oh well, still a fascinating watch. MJ sounds like kind of a mess, but I feel for a lot of what he's struggled with. And he's one of the greatest to ever step on a plank.
This x1000. In particualr the Fully Flared stories
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it was kinda gnarly when roger put skate shoe brands on blast saying they all make shitty shoes given everyone else in the room
It's a fact though, not as black and white as roger said but still true, and it's a big reason why they are struggling. Shutting up about it won't help anyone, if skate shoe companies want to succeed again they need to match the big ones in quality and be vocal about it
It's not a fact though. Lakai, Emerica have always had good shoes. People will say something along the lines of "I had some Lakai's and they blew out in a week", yeah well that happens sometimes with gear when you skate. I've been given Nikes and Adidas in the past and they have never ever been of a higher quality then any Lakai or Emerica shoe I've ever owned.
Emerica has been vocal about lifting their quality in the past (see the "higher quality" campaign) which I thought was a bold way to go when in reality they didn't really have to, but felt a need to because of bullshit statements spread by people like Roger and yourself.
Some of you guys love skating enough to sit on a website all day talking about every minor detail about it, but for whatever reason don't want to support the companies that have skateboardings best interests at heart. Actual skate companies. Not sportwear brands that are clearly in skating because it's cool right now and they can make money off it. If you love skateboarding then fucking support it.
Kook Away.
I had two pairs of lakais 7 years ago, and skated a hole in them in a day, and after a week they were completely thrashed. A year ago I wanted to give them a new chance since the gap from the last purchase was reasonable. This time they didn't blow up as fast but got really soggy in a week or so. Same with most skate shoe brands I've tried in the recent years. This is basically the only thing I base my argument on haha, but a lot of people I talk to feel the same way.
Of course the majority of the issue is the big corps infinite marketing budget and good strategy, but shitty quality leaves a bad taste for a long time to a lot of people
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The living check to check this is kinda fucked, i guess none of these dudes saved a dollar they made back in the day. When he had his Emerica shoe he was probaly making anywhere from 250 grand a year to about half a million, i know taxes eat a lot of that up, but at some point everyone on a major shoe company was making a lot of money. He was also a major pro in late 90's early 2000s when all the big companies were killing it overseas before 9/11. I also understand most of the pros from that era purchased house during the housing bubble but thats still a bad finacial decision on their part.
To quote CROB: This fuckin' guy...
Where are you getting this number from?
There's been many interviews with pros that during the height of the golden years, monthly checks off shoe royalties would be 10, 20, 30 thousand a month. Sumner's shoe on Adio once had a royalty check of 300k for one month. Obviously that's quite rare, but I don't think it's out of the question to think he was making 250k-500k a year for at least several years.
Like I said before, I'm not denying he might be living paycheck to paycheck, but I don't feel sympathy for his little rant about providing for his kid as an excuse to go to Adidas. There's tons of pros with families and no shoe sponsors and suck it up by doing other gigs on the side to make ends meet.
I don't care he rides for Adidas and glad he's hooked up because I do think he's one of the greatest skaters ever and one of my favorites, but I just wish there was more talk where he admitted he was in the wrong. It just felt very mentally scripted when the chat shifted gears.
Maybe he needs to have a talk with Khakis to diversify his bonds...
I feel bad for Rick and Mike that their life's work might be falling apart, but that doesn't absolve them from shorting MJ and asking him to do something that seems quite unreasonable (wait 7 months without a primary source of income). Marc didn't handle it well at all if Carroll's side is to be believed, but that doesn't absolve them from fault. If they wanted to wait 7 months, then pay him 7 months of his full salary of the original deal.
Man, I don't even wanna know what kind of checks Mayhew, muska and janoski were/are getting at times...
Also I don't think Roger was dissing sole tech at all. Their quality was always pretty on point and he definitely knows that. Don't forget that there were also brands out there like axion, dekline... Etc in recent years that went under and just made shitty shoes. But at skateparks you'd hezr stuff like: 'nike is killing skateshoe brands!'. Well, even Jaws admitted that he absolutely hated skating in those shoes because the quality was horrible... Yet they're in the same price range as nike and adidas.
'Skater owned' or 'core' doesn't mean shit if your quality is not on point, and adidas and nike do make great shoes. They've done so for YEARS prior to when they came into skating... Deal with it.
Concerning the whole MJ/Carroll thing: imagine this being a 'regular' Company you're working at: It's run by people you know. You're working your ass off all the time, have a mortgage, and you are probably even doing more than your colleagues. Aaaaaaand one of a sudden your boss starts cutting your salary without informing you because the company is struggling.
You see guys you've worked with fir years leaving, guys getting fired etc, and a big corporate company approaches you to go work for them: they have good hours, they pay more, they're around three times longer than the company you're at now and they're doing great... But hey 'you've said you'd never go corporate to your friends.
Your salary gets cut even more, to the point where they just don't pay you, without any info. You're obviously getting pissed/worried and the corporate company offers you an amazing contract that could get you on there right there and then. You sign it, but the old company wants you to finish the project you were running, without payment, for another 7 months.
Seriously... ?!?!?!?
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Lakai only shaped their quality up a few years back. Emerica always has been, and still is, garbage. Very few skater-owned companies were willing to push the boundaries in terms of redefining what a skate shoe can be and were instead content producing near-identical models season after season. Meanwhile, companies like Adidas and Nike led the charge with shoes like the Janoski, the Busenitz, the Suciu, and the Blazer. I understand there's the advantage of being a corporate conglomerate, but it seems like plenty of skater-owned companies were content to coast for far too long.
Marketing seems to be a huge issue to these skater-owned companies, as well. It seems like they live in a bubble and are completely unaware of so much rad shit happening in skateboarding today. Again, I get that bigger companies have bigger budgets, but would it fucking kill Emerica to add someone who isn't a complete product of So-Cal rail skating, Lakai to bump up one of the numerous east coast guys they flow shoes to, or Etnies to add a fucking person of color? If we're talking about Lakai, that Lena Dunham collaboration was awful and embarrassing to someone's who's stood up for the company for so long.
You want to talk about skateboarding's best interests? There are so many shady tales floating around about skater-owned companies. What about e'S dropping Ronnie Creager because he didn't want to skate rails? What about charging local reps for samples? What about the entire controversy surrounding MJ and Carroll? What about e'S dropping their ENTIRE fucking team, only to come back barely two years later and not pay anyone?
I used to be hardcore skater-owned, and I'm not completely turning my back on the idea, but I'm tired of supporting these companies on principle when I can get a better quality and more consistent product elsewhere. And if Nike and Adidas disappear, so be it. The skate shoe industry can start over and hopefully avoid the mistakes they've made in the past.
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^ ^ Well said.
on another tangent, here are some web-only parts that I frequently search out and wish were available in a physical copy
Lucas K.A.M.H on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/35982235)
adidas Skateboarding Euro Lines with Dennis Busenitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xVdrOGxXno#)
The Philadelphia Experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ykQ8Bk6it8#)
Hjalte Halberg Video Part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPLFjHG1js#)
Bobby and Hjalte's Looks OK to Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hKwllIp70#)
GX1000: Living In The Bay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIuYr8N7JBY#)
Jerome Campbell - Lightworks! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw9TDMy5RZY#)
Kenny Anderson KA3 Signature Sneaker - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSIhylNEuv8#)
Austyn Unlimited - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8JhHE62Dek#)
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All the "he should have been better with his money" people need to take a step back, think about if you started getting less money from your boss every 2 weeks. How would you react? Asked to not get paid for 5 months? Nope.
Those two things aren't the same.
Living paycheck to paycheck literally means that if you miss a paycheck you can't live. If you have savings and you miss a check it's an inconviance and it would completely suck and justify him switching sponsor and all that, but a guy who's had a career like his and lived the way he has (I've seen his house in photos in some old interview in a mag and it was large and nice and I think it had a bit of land with it too) should have some money saved. I love MJ and his skating but if your income is say 10k a month and your living expenses are also 10k then that's mismanaging money, and that's living paycheck to paycheck.
You've seen his house. You're an expert.
All I'm saying is unless you're making almost nothing there is no reason to live paycheck to paycheck, if you scale back and save/invest you wouldn't be paycheck to paycheck at 40.
If your income is 10k then your expenses shouldn't be 10k also, even if they were only 9,500 over the course of 10 years you could save 60k, is it a fortune? No. But it'll get you through some bumps in the road and it'll mean you're not living paycheck to paycheck.
But how much he makes is only valid to a point. If he only made minimum wage or something then yeah that's another story, but reguardless of if he was making 5k 10k 20k 100k or whatever a month it's about living within your means. People who go bankrupt a few years after hitting the lotto don't go broke because they didn't win enough, they go broke because they mismanaged their money.
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marc shoulda left even sooner... that sinking ship just wanted him to stay on long enough for them to dupe shops over so they had to deal w the problem.
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18 parts? It's a slow day at work today so I tried to figure out all of them but got stuck at 16. Surprised we're on page 4 and nobody's done this yet.
94 - Maple/Right Passage
95 - Maple/Promo
95 - Etnies High 5
96 - NC/Montage
96 - Maple/Seven Steps to Heaven
96 - Transworld/Uno
97 - 411VM Issue 20
97 - Best of 411VM Vol 4
97 - Emerica Yellow
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01 - Man Down
03 - Yeah Right
04 - Hot Chocolate
07 - Fully Flared
12 - Pretty Sweet
What am I missing?
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18 parts? It's a slow day at work today so I tried to figure out all of them but got stuck at 16. Surprised we're on page 4 and nobody's done this yet.
94 - Maple/Right Passage
95 - Maple/Promo
95 - Etnies High 5
96 - NC/Montage
96 - Maple/Seven Steps to Heaven
96 - Transworld/Uno
97 - 411VM Issue 20
97 - Best of 411VM Vol 4
97 - Emerica Yellow
00 - Modus Operandi
00 - Tilt Mode
01 - Man Down
03 - Yeah Right
04 - Hot Chocolate
07 - Fully Flared
12 - Pretty Sweet
What am I missing?
prolly wasn't counting this but i am
Marc Johnson Sponsor Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647MyGgzTKQ#)
first minute of this?
A-team Somebody is watching me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai9JXKrJ9tA#)
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I started skating in 2000. I remember thinking Marc Johnson was black because his portrait on an A-Team deck in the CCS Catalog made him look like a straight up black dude.
I can't find the board graphic on the internet anywhere but Tony Hark was doing an invert on the cover.
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All his parts are great but this run is just insane
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
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koston is the only one i can think of.
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
I can picture Caswell staring up from a couch while holding a cig and beer saying something along those lines
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell was diagnosed with vertigo, give him a break. I'd hope it was someone else that MJ was bummed on.
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Well vertigo is a legitimate reason to not go skating and I don't think Marc would have been brought it up if that wa the case.
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Yeah, Koston's run was just as amazing, but it went longer but he hasn't put out anything amazing since Fully Flared, but it started in my eyes with his 101 part. Reynolds is the same with his run from The End to Stay Gold. If we want to go most ridiculous it is probably Daewon's, who dropped a jaw dropping park in 1990 and still does shit that blows my mind as instagram footage. Other guys like Carroll always drop amazing footage for 20 something years.
It was more a point about MJ's run in the 2000's. Its fucked. He's dropped like a full length lvideo of parts that is all jaw dropping footage.
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Lakai only shaped their quality up a few years back. Emerica always has been, and still is, garbage. Very few skater-owned companies were willing to push the boundaries in terms of redefining what a skate shoe can be and were instead content producing near-identical models season after season. Meanwhile, companies like Adidas and Nike led the charge with shoes like the Janoski, the Busenitz, the Suciu, and the Blazer. I understand there's the advantage of being a corporate conglomerate, but it seems like plenty of skater-owned companies were content to coast for far too long.
Marketing seems to be a huge issue to these skater-owned companies, as well. It seems like they live in a bubble and are completely unaware of so much rad shit happening in skateboarding today. Again, I get that bigger companies have bigger budgets, but would it fucking kill Emerica to add someone who isn't a complete product of So-Cal rail skating, Lakai to bump up one of the numerous east coast guys they flow shoes to, or Etnies to add a fucking person of color? If we're talking about Lakai, that Lena Dunham collaboration was awful and embarrassing to someone's who's stood up for the company for so long.
You want to talk about skateboarding's best interests? There are so many shady tales floating around about skater-owned companies. What about e'S dropping Ronnie Creager because he didn't want to skate rails? What about charging local reps for samples? What about the entire controversy surrounding MJ and Carroll? What about e'S dropping their ENTIRE fucking team, only to come back barely two years later and not pay anyone?
I used to be hardcore skater-owned, and I'm not completely turning my back on the idea, but I'm tired of supporting these companies on principle when I can get a better quality and more consistent product elsewhere. And if Nike and Adidas disappear, so be it. The skate shoe industry can start over and hopefully avoid the mistakes they've made in the past.
I know the era of shoes you are talking about heckler, and EVERYONE wore shoes like that. How is the Janoski any different from say Reynolds 3's in regards to being a "better quality" shoe? And Busenitzs' shoe (the first one being the only one I've tried) was utter rubbish, worst grip of all time.
Emerica put on Jerry and Westgate, they are certainly not known as rail skaters.
I'm not doubting that skater owned companies have done some shady things, but sometimes that's just business. At the end of the day they are still about skating and not just about cashing in on it.
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hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
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this is burned into my brain
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Lakai only shaped their quality up a few years back. Emerica always has been, and still is, garbage. Very few skater-owned companies were willing to push the boundaries in terms of redefining what a skate shoe can be and were instead content producing near-identical models season after season. Meanwhile, companies like Adidas and Nike led the charge with shoes like the Janoski, the Busenitz, the Suciu, and the Blazer. I understand there's the advantage of being a corporate conglomerate, but it seems like plenty of skater-owned companies were content to coast for far too long.
Marketing seems to be a huge issue to these skater-owned companies, as well. It seems like they live in a bubble and are completely unaware of so much rad shit happening in skateboarding today. Again, I get that bigger companies have bigger budgets, but would it fucking kill Emerica to add someone who isn't a complete product of So-Cal rail skating, Lakai to bump up one of the numerous east coast guys they flow shoes to, or Etnies to add a fucking person of color? If we're talking about Lakai, that Lena Dunham collaboration was awful and embarrassing to someone's who's stood up for the company for so long.
You want to talk about skateboarding's best interests? There are so many shady tales floating around about skater-owned companies. What about e'S dropping Ronnie Creager because he didn't want to skate rails? What about charging local reps for samples? What about the entire controversy surrounding MJ and Carroll? What about e'S dropping their ENTIRE fucking team, only to come back barely two years later and not pay anyone?
I used to be hardcore skater-owned, and I'm not completely turning my back on the idea, but I'm tired of supporting these companies on principle when I can get a better quality and more consistent product elsewhere. And if Nike and Adidas disappear, so be it. The skate shoe industry can start over and hopefully avoid the mistakes they've made in the past.
I know the era of shoes you are talking about heckler, and EVERYONE wore shoes like that. How is the Janoski any different from say Reynolds 3's in regards to being a "better quality" shoe? And Busenitzs' shoe (the first one being the only one I've tried) was utter rubbish, worst grip of all time.
Emerica put on Jerry and Westgate, they are certainly not known as rail skaters.
I'm not doubting that skater owned companies have done some shady things, but sometimes that's just business. At the end of the day they are still about skating and not just about cashing in on it.
I'm not hating, heckler, I enjoy your banta.
You need to get suede ones with gum sole... thats the ticket.
I had all white leather ones with the white sole too though, was like having banana skins on your feet.
But yes, suede and gum ones are killer.
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this is burned into my brain
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Burned into yours...? I was there that day, standing just to the right with a bunch of friends. Fucking magical to watch. One of those moments where you realise, even though you might be able to do a couple of tricks, the dudes that you are watching are fucking next level and what they are doing is something totally different.
Jerry Hsu did a sick high speed line there too. Absolutely flying.
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It was more a point about MJ's run in the 2000's. Its fucked. He's dropped like a full length lvideo of parts that is all jaw dropping footage.
I know he may not be regarded as on the same level, but Markovich had 30+ video parts in a shorter timespan as all the names mentioned. Just a fun fact/reminder.
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Lakai only shaped their quality up a few years back. Emerica always has been, and still is, garbage. Very few skater-owned companies were willing to push the boundaries in terms of redefining what a skate shoe can be and were instead content producing near-identical models season after season. Meanwhile, companies like Adidas and Nike led the charge with shoes like the Janoski, the Busenitz, the Suciu, and the Blazer. I understand there's the advantage of being a corporate conglomerate, but it seems like plenty of skater-owned companies were content to coast for far too long.
Marketing seems to be a huge issue to these skater-owned companies, as well. It seems like they live in a bubble and are completely unaware of so much rad shit happening in skateboarding today. Again, I get that bigger companies have bigger budgets, but would it fucking kill Emerica to add someone who isn't a complete product of So-Cal rail skating, Lakai to bump up one of the numerous east coast guys they flow shoes to, or Etnies to add a fucking person of color? If we're talking about Lakai, that Lena Dunham collaboration was awful and embarrassing to someone's who's stood up for the company for so long.
You want to talk about skateboarding's best interests? There are so many shady tales floating around about skater-owned companies. What about e'S dropping Ronnie Creager because he didn't want to skate rails? What about charging local reps for samples? What about the entire controversy surrounding MJ and Carroll? What about e'S dropping their ENTIRE fucking team, only to come back barely two years later and not pay anyone?
I used to be hardcore skater-owned, and I'm not completely turning my back on the idea, but I'm tired of supporting these companies on principle when I can get a better quality and more consistent product elsewhere. And if Nike and Adidas disappear, so be it. The skate shoe industry can start over and hopefully avoid the mistakes they've made in the past.
I know the era of shoes you are talking about heckler, and EVERYONE wore shoes like that. How is the Janoski any different from say Reynolds 3's in regards to being a "better quality" shoe? And Busenitzs' shoe (the first one being the only one I've tried) was utter rubbish, worst grip of all time.
Emerica put on Jerry and Westgate, they are certainly not known as rail skaters.
I'm not doubting that skater owned companies have done some shady things, but sometimes that's just business. At the end of the day they are still about skating and not just about cashing in on it.
I'm not hating, heckler, I enjoy your banta.
The Reynolds 3s predated the Janoskis by at least four or five years, not to mention the Janoskis lasted forever and appealed to most everyone. Shit, they still do. One could argue that the Reynolds 3 and the Manchester were the last really great shoes from a "core" brand before Nike and Adidas started playing hardball, though. That was around when Koston got on, I think -- summer of 2009 to spring of 2010.
The Busenitz is far from my favorite shoe (I'm a grip stickler, too), but you can't deny that it's objectively well made, with a great shape, good cushioning, a sole that most people seem to like, and consistent durability.
Jerry Hsu doesn't skate rails, but he definitely falls into that Southern California vortex that these companies refuse to leave. It's cool that Westgate is on Emerica, but look at some of the great skaters the company has flowed that they passed up on -- Tyshawn Jones, Tom Knox, and Pontus Alv all immediately come to mind. Meanwhile, Lakai took years to put Yonnie Cruz on in what seems like a last-ditch effort to gain some of that Theories market (I'll give them credit for having a real international team for the longest time, though), and even Huf flowed Bobby Worrest for a period before he ended up on Nike. I know that there are budgetary concerns and sponsorship is finite, but diversify your fucking bonds! These are all highly talented dudes who appeal across demographics and could grow their respective companies. By passing up on them, it's clear that they're not interested in my business. (For the record, it's not just shoe companies doing this.)
I get what you're saying re: shady shit, and in five or ten years, you'll probably be proven right, but right now, the whole "skater-owned" thing just seems like a line of propaganda from these brands that need to figure out a way to guilt you into supporting them. It seems like everyone on both sides either has been or is doing some shady shit, so you might as well buy what you like at this point.
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Im counting this as a part, fuck it. :o
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hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
Were they ever on Enjoi at the same time? If so it is cutting it close as he was on Toy til at least 2002. It was probably Louie.
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Lakai only shaped their quality up a few years back. Emerica always has been, and still is, garbage. Very few skater-owned companies were willing to push the boundaries in terms of redefining what a skate shoe can be and were instead content producing near-identical models season after season. Meanwhile, companies like Adidas and Nike led the charge with shoes like the Janoski, the Busenitz, the Suciu, and the Blazer. I understand there's the advantage of being a corporate conglomerate, but it seems like plenty of skater-owned companies were content to coast for far too long.
Marketing seems to be a huge issue to these skater-owned companies, as well. It seems like they live in a bubble and are completely unaware of so much rad shit happening in skateboarding today. Again, I get that bigger companies have bigger budgets, but would it fucking kill Emerica to add someone who isn't a complete product of So-Cal rail skating, Lakai to bump up one of the numerous east coast guys they flow shoes to, or Etnies to add a fucking person of color? If we're talking about Lakai, that Lena Dunham collaboration was awful and embarrassing to someone's who's stood up for the company for so long.
You want to talk about skateboarding's best interests? There are so many shady tales floating around about skater-owned companies. What about e'S dropping Ronnie Creager because he didn't want to skate rails? What about charging local reps for samples? What about the entire controversy surrounding MJ and Carroll? What about e'S dropping their ENTIRE fucking team, only to come back barely two years later and not pay anyone?
I used to be hardcore skater-owned, and I'm not completely turning my back on the idea, but I'm tired of supporting these companies on principle when I can get a better quality and more consistent product elsewhere. And if Nike and Adidas disappear, so be it. The skate shoe industry can start over and hopefully avoid the mistakes they've made in the past.
I know the era of shoes you are talking about heckler, and EVERYONE wore shoes like that. How is the Janoski any different from say Reynolds 3's in regards to being a "better quality" shoe? And Busenitzs' shoe (the first one being the only one I've tried) was utter rubbish, worst grip of all time.
Emerica put on Jerry and Westgate, they are certainly not known as rail skaters.
I'm not doubting that skater owned companies have done some shady things, but sometimes that's just business. At the end of the day they are still about skating and not just about cashing in on it.
I'm not hating, heckler, I enjoy your banta.
The Busenitz is far from my favorite shoe (I'm a grip stickler, too), but you can't deny that it's objectively well made, with a great shape, good cushioning, a sole that most people seem to like, and consistent durability.
Jerry Hsu doesn't skate rails, but he definitely falls into that Southern California vortex that these companies refuse to leave. It's cool that Westgate is on Emerica, but look at some of the great skaters the company has flowed that they passed up on -- Tyshawn Jones, Tom Knox, and Pontus Alv all immediately come to mind. Meanwhile, Lakai took years to put Yonnie Cruz on in what seems like a last-ditch effort to gain some of that Theories market (I'll give them credit for having a real international team for the longest time, though), and even Huf flowed Bobby Worrest for a period before he ended up on Nike. I know that there are budgetary concerns and sponsorship is finite, but diversify your fucking bonds! These are all highly talented dudes who appeal across demographics and could grow their respective companies. By passing up on them, it's clear that they're not interested in my business. (For the record, it's not just shoe companies doing this.)
I get what you're saying re: shady shit, and in five or ten years, you'll probably be proven right, but right now, the whole "skater-owned" thing just seems like a line of propaganda from these brands that need to figure out a way to guilt you into supporting them. It seems like everyone on both sides either has been or is doing some shady shit, so you might as well buy what you like at this point.
all i know is that have a bunch of sole tech shoes from the early 2000 s and they were all way better quality- some of these i ve been wearing every now and then to this day like the es artos and the reynolds 1 s and they never lost their shape in almost 2 decades.
great sewing,the insoles were all top material and the sole wasn t a piece of cardboard but some fabrics oftentime with a heel gel piece in there. if you put a new sole tech shoe next to them aside from just being less bulky you can see the materials of the new one are worse quality. also the new ones blow out and loose shape very quick. even with the thicker shoes like the og accels which aren t the same these days either- afte a week in half they feel like i have a couple socks on my feet.
sad as it is these days since i gotta pay for my shit i gotta go with dc which hold up way better- although i ll always love sole tech most.
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When you're a drunk you will blow all your money. No matter how much you make.
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To me MJ will always be one of the goats, best style and trick selections, and compared to MC, MC has nothing on MJ. I've never been able to enjoy his parts I don't know why but he has always seemed like one those collegebros who never grew old. yeah he had one of the best lines ever but other than that mehh.. I don't believe that MJ is telling the whole truth but I'm certain crailtap has fucked people over. There's no way everyone has left if it wasn't for some shady shit.
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I started skating in 2000. I remember thinking Marc Johnson was black because his portrait on an A-Team deck in the CCS Catalog made him look like a straight up black dude.
I can't find the board graphic on the internet anywhere but Tony Hark was doing an invert on the cover.
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When you're a drunk you will blow all your money. No matter how much you make.
Does he have a board sponsor? I'm so out of the loop.
There was a big controversy a while ago when he switched from lakai to Adidas. It was announced in the away days video. Lakai was left with a large amount of a new order of MJ shoes that they obviously couldn't market with his name on them. Mike Carroll lashed out in a jenkem interview in the days following Away Days and publicly kicked him off chocolate. This video is the first time MJ has really responded. I think that's everything.
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When you're a drunk you will blow all your money. No matter how much you make.
Does he have a board sponsor? I'm so out of the loop.
There was a big controversy a while ago when he switched from lakai to Adidas. It was announced in the away days video. Lakai was left with a large amount of a new order of MJ shoes that they obviously couldn't market with his name on them. Mike Carroll lashed out in a jenkem interview in the days following Away Days and publicly kicked him off chocolate. This video is the first time MJ has really responded. I think that's everything.
This is so confusing to me, like why do they even have a contract if it allows you to switch sponsors without even informing the old sponsor, and also allows the sponsor to make serious pay cuts just like that? And how can you order five months worth of shoes when the pro could just dip like that the next day?
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I'm sure a pay cut is agreed upon. When you dedicate an entire Jenkem interview to the evils of corporate shoes, it's hard to jump ship as soon as your current sponsor needs to renegotiate. Deals change.
Not paying him the agreed upon amount should void the contract. Ok cool, you walk away. You still have to find a replacement for that income. Even with someone with Marc's demand, it might be awhile before you hammer out a deal with the next guy and get that next paycheck.
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
They weren't on Enjoi at the same time. Caswell didn't get on until after MJ left and I think I remember reading that it was because MJ didn't like him or something along those lines.
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
They weren't on Enjoi at the same time. Caswell didn't get on until after MJ left and I think I remember reading that it was because MJ didn't like him or something along those lines.
Yea, I should have known that. My bet is that it was Hassler then.
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
They weren't on Enjoi at the same time. Caswell didn't get on until after MJ left and I think I remember reading that it was because MJ didn't like him or something along those lines.
Yea, I should have known that. My bet is that it was Hassler then.
The best would be if it was actually Puelo, but he actually wasn't watching Princess Bride, he just didn't want to show someone a spot.
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soooo, when is the Brink interview dropping?
After he goes through 18,000 pages of transcript
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soooo, when is the Brink interview dropping?
After he goes through 18,000 pages of transcript
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The thought of someone not going skating to watch The Princess Bride is hilarious. I wonder who it was.
hahaha yes. I now believe this really happened.
Caswell is one of my all time faves..the thought of that scenario makes me like him even more.
They weren't on Enjoi at the same time. Caswell didn't get on until after MJ left and I think I remember reading that it was because MJ didn't like him or something along those lines.
Yea, I should have known that. My bet is that it was Hassler then.
Roberto Puelo, king of the s?tano doors
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What's the story behind Marc and Emerica? When they talked about his first shoe it seemed like there was bad blood there. I feel like I remember hearing about him not being happy about the design process behind his second shoe. Did they just pay him royalties he felt like were unfair?
They wanted him to skate bigger shit, just like Creager. I think there was an ad for a separate company (Enjoi?) about things he liked and one was "the freedom to skate WHAT I WANT" or something like that.
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soooo, when is the Brink interview dropping?
After he goes through 18,000 pages of transcript
You think we'll get the full story? :o
IMO no. 18,000 pages is like a coffee break chat when it comes to MJ.
I hope he brought Brink a gift however
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A dildo. For Thinkers
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wouldn't be surprised to see the crail couch in mjs 1 bdr apartment in the near future
or carroll has a party at his house, then after the party he wonders where his microwave and plants went
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I wonder if it drives Brink insane that you can film a podcast in 2 hours, spend another hour doing some editing and get it right on the interwebz vs spending weeks transcribing a traditional interview into print
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I wonder if it drives Brink insane that you can film a podcast in 2 hours, spend another hour doing some editing and get it right on the interwebz vs spending weeks transcribing a traditional interview into print
I'd say so.
But burning a candle makes it more enjoyable
Brink is a hard working man!
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Pontus had a shoe on Emerica. I think it was only released in Europe though. I wouldn't know.
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Pontus had a shoe on Emerica. I think it was only released in Europe though. I wouldn't know.
I think it was a colorway of the Emerica Tope. I think they released some in Japan too
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skating 3.5 years and doing nollie flip manuals in 93! that much talent its no wonder he's done 19 parts.
Having said that he might be a TMs worse nightmare. Imagine being in the van with MJ, Biebel and Mike York with a 6 pack of red bull
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skating 3.5 years and doing nollie flip manuals in 93! that much talent its no wonder he's done 19 parts.
Having said that he might be a TMs worse nightmare. Imagine being in the van with MJ, Biebel and ike York with a 6 pack of red bed