I think you're mildly regular.
Thanks for contributing to the conversation... RTBFTR though, right bro?Expand QuoteI think you're mildly regular.[close]
Why did i think this would have been one of Perverted Super Otaku's thread?
Anyway, the cross is clearly different from the one affiliated with nazis, if you went to a trump rally anywhere else i doubt you'd see any Indy garb, it just happens templeton is in huntington beach and theres a lot of places to buy Indy stuff in that area.
I dunno maybe casue it is racist they have a lot of white tranny skaters. Plus iron cross logo. Indy is biker raciss.
And who cares? you not gonna buy thier shit or something now?
Indy is kinda bro now, I see people wiith indy shirts an Im like, dis mufucka dont skate.
Can we start on own Jim Jones skateboard island? I be leader. No cool aid this time though.
Expand QuoteWhy did i think this would have been one of Perverted Super Otaku's thread?
Anyway, the cross is clearly different from the one affiliated with nazis, if you went to a trump rally anywhere else i doubt you'd see any Indy garb, it just happens templeton is in huntington beach and theres a lot of places to buy Indy stuff in that area.[close]
Is it though? Yes it's different, as I said in my original post, but it can easily be mistaken/misinterpreted for something else.
'Are we the Baddies?' Mitchell and Webb Funny Nazi Scetch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU#)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy did i think this would have been one of Perverted Super Otaku's thread?
Anyway, the cross is clearly different from the one affiliated with nazis, if you went to a trump rally anywhere else i doubt you'd see any Indy garb, it just happens templeton is in huntington beach and theres a lot of places to buy Indy stuff in that area.[close]
Is it though? Yes it's different, as I said in my original post, but it can easily be mistaken/misinterpreted for something else.[close]
It could well be my saturation to the indy logo that it stands out so clearly as a skateboarding thing, that said googling independent trucks cross brought up an interesting image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Q1UAAOSwf-VWaehx/s-l300.jpg)
This reminds me a lot of a nazi emblem
I had a girl shit in the late 90's and stopped wearing it to school b/c so many non-skaters would ask me why I had a women's restroom symbol on my shirt. It got really annoying.
I had an Indy shirt on in college and a drunk sorority girl yelled, "Hell yeah, GDI!" GDI is what members of greek orgs call people who aren't in greek orgs- God Damn Independent.
Expand QuoteI had a girl shit in the late 90's and stopped wearing it to school b/c so many non-skaters would ask me why I had a women's restroom symbol on my shirt. It got really annoying.
I had an Indy shirt on in college and a drunk sorority girl yelled, "Hell yeah, GDI!" GDI is what members of greek orgs call people who aren't in greek orgs- God Damn Independent.[close]
forreal though, why is that sorority/frat boy shit so popular in the states? shit seems corny as fuck, they are here(Canada) too but mostly fringe kooks who people ignore, I dont think ive ever met someone who openly admitted to being in one here, thank fuck
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-18-2015/tIdIbJ.gif) (http://makeagif.com/gif/poop-back-and-forth-forever-tIdIbJ)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI had a girl shit in the late 90's and stopped wearing it to school b/c so many non-skaters would ask me why I had a women's restroom symbol on my shirt. It got really annoying.
I had an Indy shirt on in college and a drunk sorority girl yelled, "Hell yeah, GDI!" GDI is what members of greek orgs call people who aren't in greek orgs- God Damn Independent.[close][close]
Hey man. I was young and experimenting...
Jesus Christ this thread is dumb.
The Indy logo has nothing to do with Racism. Stop projecting racial tension and division on everything.
Learn to search before making dumbass threads that do nothing positive.
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=66046.msg1793977#msg1793977 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=66046.msg1793977#msg1793977)
And I'm not saying Indy is a racist company, I'm asking, and it seems like others are confirming, that the logo can be misinterpreted for something it's not. It's almost the perfect alt-right logo. "Independent," anti government, self reliant, with a tinge of mild racism in the cross.(https://magictn.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/rachel-mcadams-mean-girls.jpg)
Here's a good perspective, most people probably associate it with west coast choppers which is sold in walmart now.I get the comparison, but it's shitty because people who wear west coast chopper shirts to Walmart are exactly who I'm talking about. And the west coast chopper guy is an avid racist and trump supporter.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/West-Coast-Choppers-Men-s-Graphic-Tee/10924100 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/West-Coast-Choppers-Men-s-Graphic-Tee/10924100)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/West-Coast-Choppers-Logo-Motorcycle-Stretch-Flex-Fit-Gray-Hat-Cap-H3-Sportsgear/176201220 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/West-Coast-Choppers-Logo-Motorcycle-Stretch-Flex-Fit-Gray-Hat-Cap-H3-Sportsgear/176201220)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/NeoPlex-West-Coast-Choppers-Traditional-Flag/171389517 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/NeoPlex-West-Coast-Choppers-Traditional-Flag/171389517)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Neonetics-West-Coast-Choppers-Bike-Neon-Poster-Sign/12988729 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Neonetics-West-Coast-Choppers-Bike-Neon-Poster-Sign/12988729)
and yes, there's even this
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Iron-Cross-West-Coast-Choppers-Colored-Novelty-Belt-Buckle/596926082 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Iron-Cross-West-Coast-Choppers-Colored-Novelty-Belt-Buckle/596926082)
A lot of people that aren't skateboarders recognize Indy's logo too. Probably not everyone but a lot of people would. I guess the point is that nobody would really mistake an independent shirt for being a neo-nazi, which is contrary to the skinhead thread in which many people could easily confuse the edgy look with someone who curb stomps minorities.
Inland Empire there were plenty of white bro/bro hoes, riding around listening to Kottonmouth Kings in their lifted truck, with a giant Independent logos on their back windows. They eventually moved on to Monster.
You're welcome.Thanks for contributing to the conversation... RTBFTR though, right bro?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think you're mildly regular.[close][close]
"trump! white power! make my trucks in a hot forge you fuckin mexican! indy for life! seig heil cardiel!"Is the guy next to him wearing a Vallely elephant shirt?
what, you thought this bro rode ventures?
?Vyrobeno ***** v USA? - Shrom??d?n? Donalda Trumpa - Phoenix, AZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tanjlxhaI#)
i'm pretty sure it's vallely spouting off and his little homie jason rothmeyer thought they were going skating and got bullied into holding the sign. blink twice rothdiggaIs the guy next to him wearing a Vallely elephant shirt?Expand Quote"trump! white power! make my trucks in a hot forge you fuckin mexican! indy for life! seig heil cardiel!"
what, you thought this bro rode ventures?
?Vyrobeno ***** v USA? - Shrom??d?n? Donalda Trumpa - Phoenix, AZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tanjlxhaI#)[close]
"trump! white power! make my trucks in a hot forge you fuckin mexican! indy for life! seig heil cardiel!"
what, you thought this bro rode ventures?
?Vyrobeno ***** v USA? - Shrom??d?n? Donalda Trumpa - Phoenix, AZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tanjlxhaI#)
racists or not, I just know that people always tell they are the best trucks, but both times I bought a pair of them, first in 1998 and and last year both times they had a defect...so now I am stuck with some defected trucks.Good thing Indys are guaranteed for life. If they're defective or broken your shop "SHOULD" replace them for free.
maybe I got unlucky, but I dont think I will be buying Independent again.
Expand QuoteI dunno maybe casue it is racist they have a lot of white tranny skaters. Plus iron cross logo. Indy is biker raciss.
And who cares? you not gonna buy thier shit or something now?
Indy is kinda bro now, I see people wiith indy shirts an Im like, dis mufucka dont skate.
Can we start on own Jim Jones skateboard island? I be leader. No cool aid this time though.[close]
This right here but I fucks with Indy regardless. Although lots of monster and metal mulisha in Simi Valley broism too. I like to see the white girlswith pink ruff Ryder bandanas in the back pocket.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/de/39/b6de39841f71677c50b27dc78db08ffd.jpg)(http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Short-Hair-Two-Tone-Color.jpg)
They usually have these haircuts
That's the "married at 18, single mom at 22" look.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI dunno maybe casue it is racist they have a lot of white tranny skaters. Plus iron cross logo. Indy is biker raciss.
And who cares? you not gonna buy thier shit or something now?
Indy is kinda bro now, I see people wiith indy shirts an Im like, dis mufucka dont skate.
Can we start on own Jim Jones skateboard island? I be leader. No cool aid this time though.[close]
This right here but I fucks with Indy regardless. Although lots of monster and metal mulisha in Simi Valley broism too. I like to see the white girlswith pink ruff Ryder bandanas in the back pocket.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/de/39/b6de39841f71677c50b27dc78db08ffd.jpg)(http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Short-Hair-Two-Tone-Color.jpg)
They usually have these haircuts[close]
So people who wear Indy shirts would like to speak to a manager?
Serious question, what did you type in to google to find those images?That's the "married at 18, single mom at 22" look.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI dunno maybe casue it is racist they have a lot of white tranny skaters. Plus iron cross logo. Indy is biker raciss.
And who cares? you not gonna buy thier shit or something now?
Indy is kinda bro now, I see people wiith indy shirts an Im like, dis mufucka dont skate.
Can we start on own Jim Jones skateboard island? I be leader. No cool aid this time though.[close]
This right here but I fucks with Indy regardless. Although lots of monster and metal mulisha in Simi Valley broism too. I like to see the white girlswith pink ruff Ryder bandanas in the back pocket.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/de/39/b6de39841f71677c50b27dc78db08ffd.jpg)(http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Short-Hair-Two-Tone-Color.jpg)
They usually have these haircuts[close]
So people who wear Indy shirts would like to speak to a manager?[close]
This is the first correlation I've ever seen between the Indy logo and "that" iron cross to be honest, from skaters or others. It's a symbol that was used prior to naziism, with similar symbols used by other cultures (see also: the swastika) and if there are any Europeans that can correct me if I'm wrong, is still used in some capacity by the German military. Nazis rip/ripped off all of the symbolism they've ever used that always seems to become associated with those pieces of shit, but I would assume if someone was to see that symbol in particular (since it's used for so much) and you were to explain yourself, issues are unlikely.
If you're looking for something to be offended by, get a fucking life.
Also, I would argue the use of "1-8" could be more correlated with naziism than the iron cross.
We live in a post modernist society fuccboi. Keep up.
Serious question, what did you type in to google to find those images?Expand QuoteThat's the "married at 18, single mom at 22" look.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI dunno maybe casue it is racist they have a lot of white tranny skaters. Plus iron cross logo. Indy is biker raciss.
And who cares? you not gonna buy thier shit or something now?
Indy is kinda bro now, I see people wiith indy shirts an Im like, dis mufucka dont skate.
Can we start on own Jim Jones skateboard island? I be leader. No cool aid this time though.[close]
This right here but I fucks with Indy regardless. Although lots of monster and metal mulisha in Simi Valley broism too. I like to see the white girlswith pink ruff Ryder bandanas in the back pocket.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/de/39/b6de39841f71677c50b27dc78db08ffd.jpg)(http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Short-Hair-Two-Tone-Color.jpg)
They usually have these haircuts[close]
So people who wear Indy shirts would like to speak to a manager?[close][close]
is the spitfire logo too close to the KKK hoods??????? :o :o :o(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r635/thedeficientone/spitter_zpsjueffylz.jpg) (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/thedeficientone/media/spitter_zpsjueffylz.jpg.html)
Also, I would argue the use of "1-8" could be more correlated with naziism than the iron cross.and... we're off!
This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket.? To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol?? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America?? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's.? Does the same hold true for Indy gear?? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.
I don't worry about it but the reasoning I've heard is kind off goofy.
"It's not racist, it's because bikers used to wear Iron Crosses and bikers are gnarly!"
Ok, then why did bikers wear it?
It reminds me of this sandwich place that used to be around here called Chink's Steaks.
"It's not racist, it's just the owner's nickname because he had really slants eyes,"
and... we're off!Expand QuoteAlso, I would argue the use of "1-8" could be more correlated with naziism than the iron cross.[close]
While everyone is being silly. How bout that Klu KRUX Klan?I'm pretty sure they have beef with the Black Label Lives Matter Movement
(https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17799187_1310098159058069_2574897306305995293_n.jpg?oh=f7c95395eeba87219f63dbcb2d47ffdd&oe=59954922)
I don't worry about it but the reasoning I've heard is kind off goofy.
"It's not racist, it's because bikers used to wear Iron Crosses and bikers are gnarly!"
Ok, then why did bikers wear it?
It reminds me of this sandwich place that used to be around here called Chink's Steaks.
"It's not racist, it's just the owner's nickname because he had really slants eyes,"
I'm pretty sure they have beef with the Black Label Lives Matter MovementExpand QuoteWhile everyone is being silly. How bout that Klu KRUX Klan?
(https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17799187_1310098159058069_2574897306305995293_n.jpg?oh=f7c95395eeba87219f63dbcb2d47ffdd&oe=59954922)[close]
God it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.You guys are becoming worse than the people you complain about, for real, youre just upset at some elses opinion? why even care? I dont agree with Mormons and I dont give a fuck and never think or talk about it or the 100s of other fringe groups I dont agree with? westboro? dont even think about em playa
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.
You guys are becoming worse than the people you complain about, for real, youre just upset at some elses opinion? why even care? I dont agree with Mormons and I dont give a fuck and never think or talk about it or the 100s of other fringe groups I dont agree with? westboro? dont even think about em playaExpand QuoteGod it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.[close]
smh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'(
Why did you mention Trump and Alt-right then? if it has nothing to do with it? seems like a strange thing to include.Expand Quotesmh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'([close]
nothing, which is exactly my point here...... Reading comprehension in Canada not so hot eh? Or maybe my writings not the best... Regardless, you missed my point entirely.
Why did you mention Trump and Alt-right then? if it has nothing to do with it? seems like a strange thing to include.Expand QuoteExpand Quotesmh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'([close]
nothing, which is exactly my point here...... Reading comprehension in Canada not so hot eh? Or maybe my writings not the best... Regardless, you missed my point entirely.[close]
It, wasn't at all, that is 100% from your own mind. Prove to me otherwise.Expand QuoteWhy did you mention Trump and Alt-right then? if it has nothing to do with it? seems like a strange thing to include.Expand QuoteExpand Quotesmh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'([close]
nothing, which is exactly my point here...... Reading comprehension in Canada not so hot eh? Or maybe my writings not the best... Regardless, you missed my point entirely.[close][close]
"You guys are becoming worse than the people you complain about" that is you trying to paint me as part of one of those groups. now go back to you acting like you don't understand.
It, wasn't at all, that is 100% from your own mind. Prove to me otherwise.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy did you mention Trump and Alt-right then? if it has nothing to do with it? seems like a strange thing to include.Expand QuoteExpand Quotesmh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'([close]
nothing, which is exactly my point here...... Reading comprehension in Canada not so hot eh? Or maybe my writings not the best... Regardless, you missed my point entirely.[close][close]
"You guys are becoming worse than the people you complain about" that is you trying to paint me as part of one of those groups. now go back to you acting like you don't understand.[close]
the shitloads of people who complain about people who are super PC everything is offensive, and even project a sense of persecution onto thatExpand QuoteIt, wasn't at all, that is 100% from your own mind. Prove to me otherwise.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy did you mention Trump and Alt-right then? if it has nothing to do with it? seems like a strange thing to include.Expand QuoteExpand Quotesmh, wtf does trump have to do with this? Im Canadian yuh bumbaclaat, your persecution complex is showing :'([close]
nothing, which is exactly my point here...... Reading comprehension in Canada not so hot eh? Or maybe my writings not the best... Regardless, you missed my point entirely.[close][close]
"You guys are becoming worse than the people you complain about" that is you trying to paint me as part of one of those groups. now go back to you acting like you don't understand.[close][close]
What did you mean by "you guys?" what group do you believe I was speaking for there?
God it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.i own 50 pairs of indys but I'm not wearing the clothes anymore(haven't for years) no matter who is president. not cuz i care if someone else thinks its racist, im about to be 33 and just don't like the clothes anymore. id rather buy indy stickers and slap them on my deck. i am wearing a juilen stranger flying high shirt today tho but stranger + heroin = awesomeness
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.
What did you mean by "you guys?" what group do you believe I was speaking for there?
i own 50 pairs of indys but I'm not wearing the clothes anymore(haven't for years) no matter who is president. not cuz i care if someone else thinks its racist, im about to be 33 and just don't like the clothes anymore. id rather buy indy stickers and slap them on my deck. i am wearing a juilen stranger flying high shirt today tho but stranger + heroin = awesomenessExpand QuoteGod it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.[close]QuoteExpand QuoteWhat did you mean by "you guys?" what group do you believe I was speaking for there?[close]
i think he meant dumbasses
And I'm not saying Indy is a racist company, I'm asking, and it seems like others are confirming, that the logo can be misinterpreted for something it's not. It's almost the perfect alt-right logo. "Independent," anti government, self reliant, with a tinge of mild racism in the cross.
we are not proud of nallidExpand QuoteAnd I'm not saying Indy is a racist company, I'm asking, and it seems like others are confirming, that the logo can be misinterpreted for something it's not. It's almost the perfect alt-right logo. "Independent," anti government, self reliant, with a tinge of mild racism in the cross.[close]
OMG INDY NEEDS TO TOTALLY REBRAND AND CHANGE THEIR LOGO NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE SOMEWHERE MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY LET THEIR POLITICAL BIAS CONFUSE THEM INTO THINKING THAT THEIR CROSS LOGO IS ALL 14/88 HITLER GAS EVERYONE AND KILL THE JEWS NAZI THEMED AND THIS IS REALLY SERIOUS STUFF AND WARRANTS IMMEDIATE CHANGE BECAUSE GOD FORBID SOMEONE GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION WE CAN'T LET THIS STUFF SLIDE GUYS IT'S TOTALLY IMPORTANT!!!!
Some of you have obviously been raised on so much political correctness, it's made your entire worldview based on finding new ways to be offended at every turn (or, to be a champion for those who aren't offended yet, but you're SURE they will be if they ever see that darned Indy logo!)
This shit's getting cornier by the minute.
Expand Quotei own 50 pairs of indys but I'm not wearing the clothes anymore(haven't for years) no matter who is president. not cuz i care if someone else thinks its racist, im about to be 33 and just don't like the clothes anymore. id rather buy indy stickers and slap them on my deck. i am wearing a juilen stranger flying high shirt today tho but stranger + heroin = awesomenessExpand QuoteGod it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.[close]QuoteExpand QuoteWhat did you mean by "you guys?" what group do you believe I was speaking for there?[close]
i think he meant dumbasses[close]
Yeah heroin is super awesome and by "you guys" you meant "people who complain about people complaining" and I'm a dumbass.
I DON'T LIKE CHANGE
I think it comes from the biker image that the dudes were into at that time, but yeah i'm sure enough idiots are take it the wrong way, and tyr to wear it as some kind of ideological expression.
Has JT ever addressed the sketchy logos from his companies before? kinda weird, what up with that?
From my understanding the original "outlaw bikers" were WWII vets who basically couldn't go back to normal life after, and adopted some Nazi gear as a sign of rebellion, same with the gay leather scene afaik, who also have some nazi/military imagery. I dont think either were based on the ideas of national socialism. I don't really care about the symbol one way or the other though, that being said.Expand QuoteI think it comes from the biker image that the dudes were into at that time, but yeah i'm sure enough idiots are take it the wrong way, and tyr to wear it as some kind of ideological expression.
Has JT ever addressed the sketchy logos from his companies before? kinda weird, what up with that?[close]
I mean where do you think the bikers got it from? Their original culture is a direct extension of the white supremacist movement.
this is kinda like when that pic came out of the ISIS dude rockin a Baker shirt. So, following the logic of SLAP, BAKER = ISIS SUPPORTERS.
Why did i think this would have been one of Perverted Super Otaku's thread?
Anyway, the cross is clearly different from the one affiliated with nazis, if you went to a trump rally anywhere else i doubt you'd see any Indy garb, it just happens templeton is in huntington beach and theres a lot of places to buy Indy stuff in that area.
Expand QuoteAnd I'm not saying Indy is a racist company, I'm asking, and it seems like others are confirming, that the logo can be misinterpreted for something it's not. It's almost the perfect alt-right logo. "Independent," anti government, self reliant, with a tinge of mild racism in the cross.[close]
OMG INDY NEEDS TO TOTALLY REBRAND AND CHANGE THEIR LOGO NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE SOMEWHERE MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY LET THEIR POLITICAL BIAS CONFUSE THEM INTO THINKING THAT THEIR CROSS LOGO IS ALL 14/88 HITLER GAS EVERYONE AND KILL THE JEWS NAZI THEMED AND THIS IS REALLY SERIOUS STUFF AND WARRANTS IMMEDIATE CHANGE BECAUSE GOD FORBID SOMEONE GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION WE CAN'T LET THIS STUFF SLIDE GUYS IT'S TOTALLY IMPORTANT!!!!
Some of you have obviously been raised on so much political correctness, it's made your entire worldview based on finding new ways to be offended at every turn (or, to be a champion for those who aren't offended yet, but you're SURE they will be if they ever see that darned Indy logo!)
This shit's getting cornier by the minute.
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James Hetfield ( Metallica )
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James Hetfield ( Metallica )[close]
A friend of mine had a guitar that was customized to look like that Hetfield guitar when we was a kid (because he liked Metallica) and when he tried to sell it a couple years later he couldnt because everyone was calling him a racist and white supremacist.
Expand QuoteWhy did i think this would have been one of Perverted Super Otaku's thread?
Anyway, the cross is clearly different from the one affiliated with nazis, if you went to a trump rally anywhere else i doubt you'd see any Indy garb, it just happens templeton is in huntington beach and theres a lot of places to buy Indy stuff in that area.[close]
huntington beach has a lot more white supremacists than you would think. there is a ton of garbage people. mostly older fat punk guys riding around on beach cruisers with skrewdriver tattoos
For some reason I thought he was talking about BMX haha.Expand QuoteI don't worry about it but the reasoning I've heard is kind off goofy.
"It's not racist, it's because bikers used to wear Iron Crosses and bikers are gnarly!"
Ok, then why did bikers wear it?
It reminds me of this sandwich place that used to be around here called Chink's Steaks.
"It's not racist, it's just the owner's nickname because he had really slants eyes,"[close]
Bikers wore stuff for shock factor back in the "day" (60s and so on) and that included iron crosses,swastikas etc... nowadays most bikers want to look like Jason Jessee or what they see on Sons Of Anarchy
For some reason I thought he was talking about BMX haha.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don't worry about it but the reasoning I've heard is kind off goofy.
"It's not racist, it's because bikers used to wear Iron Crosses and bikers are gnarly!"
Ok, then why did bikers wear it?
It reminds me of this sandwich place that used to be around here called Chink's Steaks.
"It's not racist, it's just the owner's nickname because he had really slants eyes,"[close]
Bikers wore stuff for shock factor back in the "day" (60s and so on) and that included iron crosses,swastikas etc... nowadays most bikers want to look like Jason Jessee or what they see on Sons Of Anarchy[close]
Yeah, Hells Angels would do shit like make out back in the day for shock value, go through towns and just cause trouble. Biker's are such attention whores, I was literally telling this to my sister 2 hours ago. I ride and she asked me if some event was going down because a bunch of bikers are on the freeway driving regular. I explained to her that 75% of bikers are like the ones on South Park, they just want attention. I fucking hate, every couple weeks, seeing a goddamn video of a guy in a "funny" costume driving around with a go pro on his helmet just being so FUNNY. Fuck, I'm on one today.
For some reason I thought he was talking about BMX haha.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don't worry about it but the reasoning I've heard is kind off goofy.
"It's not racist, it's because bikers used to wear Iron Crosses and bikers are gnarly!"
Ok, then why did bikers wear it?
It reminds me of this sandwich place that used to be around here called Chink's Steaks.
"It's not racist, it's just the owner's nickname because he had really slants eyes,"[close]
Bikers wore stuff for shock factor back in the "day" (60s and so on) and that included iron crosses,swastikas etc... nowadays most bikers want to look like Jason Jessee or what they see on Sons Of Anarchy[close]
Yeah, Hells Angels would do shit like make out back in the day for shock value, go through towns and just cause trouble. Biker's are such attention whores, I was literally telling this to my sister 2 hours ago. I ride and she asked me if some event was going down because a bunch of bikers are on the freeway driving regular. I explained to her that 75% of bikers are like the ones on South Park, they just want attention. I fucking hate, every couple weeks, seeing a goddamn video of a guy in a "funny" costume driving around with a go pro on his helmet just being so FUNNY. Fuck, I'm on one today.
I heard the Spitfire flamehead guy say the N word(https://i.imgur.com/P8vajXj.jpg)
its a thread about racism, he meant niggaExpand Quotei own 50 pairs of indys but I'm not wearing the clothes anymore(haven't for years) no matter who is president. not cuz i care if someone else thinks its racist, im about to be 33 and just don't like the clothes anymore. id rather buy indy stickers and slap them on my deck. i am wearing a juilen stranger flying high shirt today tho but stranger + heroin = awesomenessExpand QuoteGod it makes me cringe to see how fucking infected by new wave "liberalism" skateboarding has become.
"Are you guys comfortable wearing Indy in trumps America?? waaaaah everything is racist guys"
You wanna boycott Indy until they change their logo now baby boy? Start a hashtag.[close]QuoteExpand QuoteWhat did you mean by "you guys?" what group do you believe I was speaking for there?[close]
i think he meant dumbasses[close]
Yeah heroin is super awesome and by "you guys" you meant "people who complain about people complaining" and I'm a dumbass.
(http://loudwire.com/files/2017/03/met_08.jpg)James on Indy, clearly.
James Hetfield ( Metallica )
I can't stop laughing...(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r635/thedeficientone/spitter_zpsjueffylz.jpg) (http://s1175.photobucket.com/user/thedeficientone/media/spitter_zpsjueffylz.jpg.html)Expand Quoteis the spitfire logo too close to the KKK hoods??????? :o :o :o[close]
this one is for sure
Hmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.Julian Stranger
Julian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close]
They've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk
His SpOT profile lists Indy as one of his sponsers. Strange that he's not on the team page...(no pun intended)They've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk[close]
His SpOT profile lists Indy as one of his sponsers. Strange that he's not on the team page...(no pun intended)Expand QuoteThey've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk[close][close]
SLAP's average IQ is way too low to talk about anything other than skateboarding.
side note I'm in my mid 20's and I didnt know until last year that the iron cross was a racist thing, like not even the indy one, the one with the straight edges. Only saw it associated with west coast choppers and figured it was some stupid hardbody shit like tribal and diamond plate.
Expand QuoteHis SpOT profile lists Indy as one of his sponsers. Strange that he's not on the team page...(no pun intended)Expand QuoteThey've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk[close][close][close]
Julien is very good friends with Joey Tershay, who was the Indy TM for a long time until being fired. After he was fired, he started Ace trucks and Julien has been riding Ace trucks since then.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHis SpOT profile lists Indy as one of his sponsers. Strange that he's not on the team page...(no pun intended)Expand QuoteThey've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk[close][close][close]
Julien is very good friends with Joey Tershay, who was the Indy TM for a long time until being fired. After he was fired, he started Ace trucks and Julien has been riding Ace trucks since then.[close]
https://www.acetrucks.com/team/
True he’s on there and Ace’s team is waayy bigger than I thought.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHis SpOT profile lists Indy as one of his sponsers. Strange that he's not on the team page...(no pun intended)Expand QuoteThey've obviously listed him under his alias "Adam Dyet", for marketing purposes.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close][close]
Wrong!
http://independenttrucks.com/#team (http://independenttrucks.com/#team)
Bet you're a holocaust denier, Sodajerk[close][close][close]
Julien is very good friends with Joey Tershay, who was the Indy TM for a long time until being fired. After he was fired, he started Ace trucks and Julien has been riding Ace trucks since then.[close]
https://www.acetrucks.com/team/
True he’s on there and Ace’s team is waayy bigger than I thought.[close]
I actually want to try some Ace's for my next trucks. They look nice and people I know who skate them give positive reviews. That site has some funny stuff on it. Five logo stickers from a truck company for $5? Logo tee shirts from a truck company for $25?
acesJulian StrangerExpand QuoteHmmmmmmm can't see any Jews on the Indy team and they sponsor outspoken nazi legend Danny Way so the might be fascist.[close]
including our dude vinnie bahnSo Ace trucks will make me hardflip indy grab?
Not sure if it's coincidence but I noticed on trackers website they are now using the Star of David.....
You motherfuckers owe me an apology.
Yes, but only if you tell me they're 52s and new before you send them.Expand QuoteYou motherfuckers owe me an apology.[close]
Would you accept some 53mm spitfire classics?
Not sure if it's coincidence but I noticed on trackers website they are now using the Star of David.....
I thought this belonged here
(https://i.redd.it/s87nucyqs9uy.jpg)
Isn't Cory glick on indy? he's half jewishThat's an odd piece of information to have.
yoshi tanenbaum is on indy and jewish pretty sure
That's an odd piece of information to have.Expand QuoteIsn't Cory glick on indy? he's half jewish[close]
Expand Quoteyoshi tanenbaum is on indy and jewish pretty sure[close]
well he was born in fucking Jerusalem
What if he’s a Scientologist?Expand QuoteExpand Quoteyoshi tanenbaum is on indy and jewish pretty sure[close]
well he was born in fucking Jerusalem[close]
Could be muslim or just non-religious.
The iconic logo for the trucks was based on the Iron Cross according to legendary skateboard illustrator Jim Phillips, who created the design. It has remained the Independent logo since the company's inception.So basically it was a clusterfuck of all kinds of cultures, but ultimately based on the iron cross.
Jim Phillips says in his 2007 book "The Art of Jim Phillips":
"...I began toying with the iron, or Maltese cross which was long dead as the old 60s surfer's cross, and even longer dead as the biker's cross. I used a beam compass to make it into a round shape, which looked completely different than the old square iron crosses... I took my idea into the NHS office the next morning and it went on the wall as usual. Jay and Rich each stared at it for a while, and they both thought that it looked a little too "Nazi". My sketches were rejected and I was sent back to the drawing board. I went back to my studio determined to use it, knowing it was the one. I searched my archives and scrap file for some justification for using the symbol. I found a firefighter's logo, symbols on the knights and Columbus sails. Then in my scrap file, under the letter P, I found a Time magazine cover of Pope John Paul from the June 18,1979 edition. It was amazing; there was a cross on his vestments almost the way I designed mine. I marched into the office the next morning with the magazine to show what I thought was proof of acceptability. They both looked at each other and said, 'Well, if the Pope has it, it must be okay!' That was that, and the Independent cross was born."
Me and Mike Plumb aka lizard king he was at a house party in savanna on his Addison RV Tour. my friends met his crew and invited them over where we were throwing I had a lengthy talk over almost same Indy forearm tattoo got mine when I was 15 I’m 42 now. I don’t need someone else to tell me some fucking dipshits telling me Indy or the iron cross is nazi or racist that’s just plain dumb....caring and making a bigger deal of something is soooo stupid. Where’s your tampons? Know this Indy’s have always been the best and I knew it from the time I first skated em in 85’. Rides with the best fuck the rest!
Me and Mike Plumb aka lizard king he was at a house party in savanna on his Addison RV Tour. my friends met his crew and invited them over where we were throwing I had a lengthy talk over almost same Indy forearm tattoo got mine when I was 15 I’m 42 now. I don’t need someone else to tell me some fucking dipshits telling me Indy or the iron cross is nazi or racist that’s just plain dumb....caring and making a bigger deal of something is soooo stupid. Where’s your tampons? Know this Indy’s have always been the best and I knew it from the time I first skated em in 85’. Rides with the best fuck the rest!I honestly don’t know how I feel or what to think about Indy at this point, but you should probly pull the Trans Am off to the side of the road, turn down the volume on your Out of the Cellar cassette, toss the Mad Dog empties in the trash, call a cab home from the nearest payphone and get some rest back at mom’s house
I honestly don’t know how I feel or what to think about Indy at this point, but you should probly pull the Trans Am off to the side of the road, turn down the volume on your Out of the Cellar cassette, toss the Mad Dog empties in the trash, call a cab home from the nearest payphone and get some rest back at mom’s house
if the Indy logo really gets people this triggered just buy Ace Trucks and shut the fuck up
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteyoshi tanenbaum is on indy and jewish pretty sure[close]
well he was born in fucking Jerusalem[close]
Could be muslim or just non-religious.
If your over the age of 14 and still ride a skate board, you're either a schill for the industry, or something has gone terribly wrong in your life and you should probably find something constructive to do. Adults riding kids toys......how embarrassing for your parents.
If your over the age of 14 and still ride a skate board, you're either a schill for the industry, or something has gone terribly wrong in your life and you should probably find something constructive to do. Adults riding kids toys......how embarrassing for your parents.actually my mom thinks im really cool, especially when im in the driveway playing with my factor x ramps.
If your over the age of 14 and still ride a skate board, you're either a schill for the industry, or something has gone terribly wrong in your life and you should probably find something constructive to do. Adults riding kids toys......how embarrassing for your parents.Go back to Facebook
If your over the age of 14 and still ride a skate board, you're either a schill for the industry, or something has gone terribly wrong in your life and you should probably find something constructive to do. Adults riding kids toys......how embarrassing for your parents.
I'm more concerned with Plan B stealing their logo from Rankin-Bass. I mean, those guys made hella Christmas puppet movies. Rudolph is classic.
FA dropped their independent trucks this week.....dill confirmed racist now??? hmmmm the plot thickens like hulk hogans hard on that was caught on tapeHe sure made me laugh in his epicly latered when he like pointed at a black skateboarder and tried to use him as an example to explain some race point -I remember thinking 'oooof' and then the kid wasn't really digging it either -lol!! and the fact that the epicly latered dude left it in the edit was sweet ha. Hes not racist but he sounded pretty basic in that for sure.
So many hash tags. Also is that guy Hunter S. Thompson x Indy? That looks like bat country to me.
So many hash tags. Also is that guy Hunter S. Thompson x Indy? That looks like bat country to me.And, his hat looks like a leather fedora. Which could be worse than the current rolled condom beanie thing happening...
Fuck the rest, right guys?Those look disastrous for disasters...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate
I've never cared enough about my trucks to wear a shirt that says I care about my trucks.
Expand QuoteI've never cared enough about my trucks to wear a shirt that says I care about my trucks.[close]
This sir is the feeling I share
Fuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate
Fuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate
Expand QuoteFuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate[close]
i think its funnier that you follow a down hill longboarder on instagram
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate[close]
i think its funnier that you follow a down hill longboarder on instagram[close]
That's because you're fucking autistic. I pulled that from the truck thread, but if you're that concerned with who I follow, add me on insta @watchingchopped.
Expand QuoteFuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate[close]
Skate conspiracy: Loveletter's embracy of downhillers was to soften the skateworld up for this move.
Does Ben K skate Indys? ;)he's been skating indys lately
Oh no, longboarders have indys now?!Already happening, seen a kook couple at the beach mallgrabbing two longboards with sublime shirt and indy tye dye.
Pretty soon we're gonna see randoms who don't even skate wearing indy tee shirts
I've been riding sternums and actually really liking them, don't think Ill go back
Those look disastrous for disasters...Expand QuoteFuck the rest, right guys?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlqqQA9AY8j/?taken-by=kylewesterskate[close]
Already happening, seen a kook couple at the beach mallgrabbing two longboards with sublime shirt and indy tye dye.Expand QuoteOh no, longboarders have indys now?!
Pretty soon we're gonna see randoms who don't even skate wearing indy tee shirts[close]
Reading bro.Expand QuoteAlready happening, seen a kook couple at the beach mallgrabbing two longboards with sublime shirt and indy tye dye.Expand QuoteOh no, longboarders have indys now?!
Pretty soon we're gonna see randoms who don't even skate wearing indy tee shirts[close][close]
wait he had two boards and two t-shirts? how many shoes? you might have been looking at two people.
(https://i.imgur.com/1ynXdLz.jpg)he's been skating indys latelyExpand QuoteDoes Ben K skate Indys? ;)[close]
What's with the salute?HOLY SHIT!
What's with the salute?
Am I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...
Yeah. Ace is 1010 approved and have no issues with pivot cups and bent hangers ;DExpand QuoteAm I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...[close]
Try Ace if you want something similar, more turn, but a slower, more controlled grind due to the softer metal. I still prefer Indy, but I do like Ace's.
Yeah. Ace is 1010 approved and have no issues with pivot cups and bent hangers ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAm I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...[close]
Try Ace if you want something similar, more turn, but a slower, more controlled grind due to the softer metal. I still prefer Indy, but I do like Ace's.[close]
1010 = JJ = Jason JesseeExpand QuoteYeah. Ace is 1010 approved and have no issues with pivot cups and bent hangers ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAm I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...[close]
Try Ace if you want something similar, more turn, but a slower, more controlled grind due to the softer metal. I still prefer Indy, but I do like Ace's.[close][close]
I'm not sure what 1010 is, all a quick Google search led me to was some religious shit. I'm guessing by the winky face and bent hangars comment that you're being sarcastic. People have said that the "bent hangar" was just an optical illusion, from there being more material in the center, supposedly that was only a 1st Gen issue. I've had 2 sets of the latest revision Ace's and haven't had any issues, one set I really put a beating on too (the other is on a cruiser setup, so they don't get nearly the abuse). What's up with the pivot cups?
Expand QuoteYeah. Ace is 1010 approved and have no issues with pivot cups and bent hangers ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAm I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...[close]
Try Ace if you want something similar, more turn, but a slower, more controlled grind due to the softer metal. I still prefer Indy, but I do like Ace's.[close][close]
I'm not sure what 1010 is, all a quick Google search led me to was some religious shit. I'm guessing by the winky face and bent hangars comment that you're being sarcastic. People have said that the "bent hangar" was just an optical illusion, from there being more material in the center, supposedly that was only a 1st Gen issue. I've had 2 sets of the latest revision Ace's and haven't had any issues, one set I really put a beating on too (the other is on a cruiser setup, so they don't get nearly the abuse). What's up with the pivot cups?
1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee
i wish i knew where my set were so i could put them in a lathe and show you how much of an 'illusion' they are
Expand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.[close]
On Slap, JJ short form has always meant Jake Johnson. In order to not confuse or associate Jake with Jason Jessee, people started short forming Jessee as 1010. J being the tenth letter in the alphabet. It’s a metonym, like 81 equals Hell’s Angels or 18 equals AntiHero.
Oops! Forgot about JJ, Jake Johnson. Mea culpa, my bad!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.[close]
On Slap, JJ short form has always meant Jake Johnson. In order to not confuse or associate Jake with Jason Jessee, people started short forming Jessee as 1010. J being the tenth letter in the alphabet. It’s a metonym, like 81 equals Hell’s Angels or 18 equals AntiHero.[close]
Ahhhh, now I see. I got the metonym part, just didn't know the history. Thanks.
1010 = JJ = Jason JesseeExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah. Ace is 1010 approved and have no issues with pivot cups and bent hangers ;DExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAm I the only one bummed with how Indys work these days. Constantly find my trucks drifting and getting stuck to one side of the pivot cup. Really don’t want to ride Thunders...[close]
Try Ace if you want something similar, more turn, but a slower, more controlled grind due to the softer metal. I still prefer Indy, but I do like Ace's.[close][close]
I'm not sure what 1010 is, all a quick Google search led me to was some religious shit. I'm guessing by the winky face and bent hangars comment that you're being sarcastic. People have said that the "bent hangar" was just an optical illusion, from there being more material in the center, supposedly that was only a 1st Gen issue. I've had 2 sets of the latest revision Ace's and haven't had any issues, one set I really put a beating on too (the other is on a cruiser setup, so they don't get nearly the abuse). What's up with the pivot cups?[close]
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee
What's with the salute?Yuck, but at least his Quasimodo face is blurred by distance. What a trashbag.
Leave what at the door, common sense? Smells like horse shit, or you've no brain. Fuck of with that, "It's just a skate logo but let's be blantantly wink wink about it!"No bro.. the Iron cross dates back before hitler's Germany, It was German symbol of the military during the 19th century. I do not know why Fausto Vitello picked the logo however, The Germans are know for having strong perseverance and strength in their culture. None the less it does not mean racism your making it that way. Also I think the logo is cool and it does not remind me of racism..
Leave what at the door, common sense? Smells like horse shit, or you've no brain. Fuck of with that, "It's just a skate logo but let's be blantantly wink wink about it!"You sound like a SJW by the way
indys are great if you don’t mind the weight and don’t mind how hideous looking they are, but other than that, don’t really care for em. also every time i think of indy i still think of jason jesse so fuck em.
Sure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.
Expand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)
It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)
The pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.Dooley your a dumbassIt's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close]
blantantly wink wink
The pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close]
Expand QuoteExpand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.[close]
On Slap, JJ short form has always meant Jake Johnson. In order to not confuse or associate Jake with Jason Jessee, people started short forming Jessee as 1010. J being the tenth letter in the alphabet. It’s a metonym, like 81 equals Hell’s Angels or 18 equals AntiHero.
Here's where they got the logo from so put this one to bed already.
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
Thunder did a good job of hiding their racial agenda, sure there is only one ss bolt but you have two trucks smart guy!Expand QuoteThe pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close][close]
Indy is basically the only reason the Iron Cross is not considered 100% a hate symbol in virtually all western contexts like the swastika or SS bolts are.
It's a matter of degrees; re-appropriating the swastika would give Nazis cover. Imo appropriating fash shit is good when it's young, but once it's established it's important to let that shit speak for itself to make it harder for them to trick people into thinking they're just 'proud nationalist' or whatever they like to call themselves in front of liberals and chuds.
It's good to know who your enemy is.
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lol i wonder who this is
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RVstYrK/image.png)
Thunder did a good job of hiding their racial agenda, sure there is only one ss bolt but you have two trucks smart guy!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close][close]
Indy is basically the only reason the Iron Cross is not considered 100% a hate symbol in virtually all western contexts like the swastika or SS bolts are.
It's a matter of degrees; re-appropriating the swastika would give Nazis cover. Imo appropriating fash shit is good when it's young, but once it's established it's important to let that shit speak for itself to make it harder for them to trick people into thinking they're just 'proud nationalist' or whatever they like to call themselves in front of liberals and chuds.
It's good to know who your enemy is.
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lol i wonder who this is
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RVstYrK/image.png)[close]
Which skate truck isnt white power? I think venture and gk or the only ones.
Wanna be "Rattlesnake"?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.[close]
On Slap, JJ short form has always meant Jake Johnson. In order to not confuse or associate Jake with Jason Jessee, people started short forming Jessee as 1010. J being the tenth letter in the alphabet. It’s a metonym, like 81 equals Hell’s Angels or 18 equals AntiHero.[close]
slap is so edgy with the nicknames..can you guys start calling me cobra? fuck nvm that's chris cole. i'll try better next time
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote1010 = JJ = Jason Jessee
Anyone feel like editing his wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Jessee[close]
Wait... What? Is this like a fucking codename or something? Who the fuck calls him this? I'm so confused right now lol.[close]
On Slap, JJ short form has always meant Jake Johnson. In order to not confuse or associate Jake with Jason Jessee, people started short forming Jessee as 1010. J being the tenth letter in the alphabet. It’s a metonym, like 81 equals Hell’s Angels or 18 equals AntiHero.[close]
slap is so edgy with the nicknames..can you guys start calling me cobra? fuck nvm that's chris cole. i'll try better next time
By Shalom! You're right! Are destined to wander this wasteland in search of a truck made for our tribe?Expand QuoteThunder did a good job of hiding their racial agenda, sure there is only one ss bolt but you have two trucks smart guy!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close][close]
Indy is basically the only reason the Iron Cross is not considered 100% a hate symbol in virtually all western contexts like the swastika or SS bolts are.
It's a matter of degrees; re-appropriating the swastika would give Nazis cover. Imo appropriating fash shit is good when it's young, but once it's established it's important to let that shit speak for itself to make it harder for them to trick people into thinking they're just 'proud nationalist' or whatever they like to call themselves in front of liberals and chuds.
It's good to know who your enemy is.
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lol i wonder who this is
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RVstYrK/image.png)[close]
Which skate truck isnt white power? I think venture and gk or the only ones.[close]
I'm pretty sure "AWAKE" is a reference to holocaust denial.
i have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.It's too fun to draw and must be contained
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.
i have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.
Expand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now?
Dayum you guys are perceptive, never even thought about those two. Wouldn't be surprising.Expand QuoteThunder did a good job of hiding their racial agenda, sure there is only one ss bolt but you have two trucks smart guy!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe pope during the war was "neutral" and allowed the roundup of Jewish people.It's a logo with a certain history that can be "excused" or has room left to squirm out some shitty reasonings. It's, "In your face haha but we're not saying it" poosey shit. Given their history, ads, 1010, slogan, and etc, they know exactly what they're saying/doing and it's not like they'd ever come clean. I don't expect an iota of honesty from them, just weak attempts at logical fallacies to keep their game going. Just not going to buy their garbage.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now? Also, in regards to the symbol, I feel like there's really no way to know the intention. Some people definitely use that symbol in a bad way, thats for sure. But it hasn't always meant that. So accepting it as a hate symbol just sort of validates the Nazis re appropriating it in the first place. So wouldn't it be more empowering to be like "fuck the Nazis, this isn't their symbol" and re claim it? If they can take it, why can't we? And at this point say Indy was to change their symbol because of the implications, they're sort of just caving, and giving that symbol up to bad people. Idk. Racial supremacy has no place in this world, but if we continue giving creedance to their bullshit, we sort of enable them in a way. How do you think Indy should handle this, or do you just hate them as a company at this point, and think they can't get passed this? (Serious question)[close][close]
Indy is basically the only reason the Iron Cross is not considered 100% a hate symbol in virtually all western contexts like the swastika or SS bolts are.
It's a matter of degrees; re-appropriating the swastika would give Nazis cover. Imo appropriating fash shit is good when it's young, but once it's established it's important to let that shit speak for itself to make it harder for them to trick people into thinking they're just 'proud nationalist' or whatever they like to call themselves in front of liberals and chuds.
It's good to know who your enemy is.
edit:
lol i wonder who this is
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RVstYrK/image.png)[close]
Which skate truck isnt white power? I think venture and gk or the only ones.[close]
I'm pretty sure "AWAKE" is a reference to holocaust denial.
i have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSure dood. Keep buying price point trucks at full price, made in China for your AB. Have fun.[close]
What trucks don't fall in that category? Aren't ventures the only truck made in the USA now?[close]
Proof or shut up.
yesExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.
yesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close]
um, antifa?Expand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.
um, antifa?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.[close]
Proud Boys is led by a Cuban. the other side froze his bank account, you really want to talk about institutional power of the right?
sounds like a lot of projection and accuse other people of what you do.
if there are true nazis, i think that's bad. i just say commies are equally bad.
antifa uses nazi symbols? that's news to me.Expand Quoteum, antifa?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.[close]
Proud Boys is led by a Cuban. the other side froze his bank account, you really want to talk about institutional power of the right?
sounds like a lot of projection and accuse other people of what you do.
if there are true nazis, i think that's bad. i just say commies are equally bad.[close]
Great job pointing out yet ANOTHER group using NAZI symbols.....not communist symbols.
Stellar job in fact.
slavery ended almost 200 years ago. give it a fucking rest. are you saying his wife [who is well spoken and supports her husband's beliefs and his group] is too stupid to get away from a racist? a slave? chattel who was forced to give birth to a rape baby?Here's some news for you (apparently). Pretty much every slave owner had mixed race children resulting from their rape of slave women. Would you say the slave owners weren't racist because they procreated with black women? I'm guessing all your "black friends" were holding this info back from you.Expand Quoteantifa uses nazi symbols? that's news to me.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteum, antifa?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.[close]
Proud Boys is led by a Cuban. the other side froze his bank account, you really want to talk about institutional power of the right?
sounds like a lot of projection and accuse other people of what you do.
if there are true nazis, i think that's bad. i just say commies are equally bad.[close]
Great job pointing out yet ANOTHER group using NAZI symbols.....not communist symbols.
Stellar job in fact.[close]
i was saying Proud Boys aren't what you think they are. they're more diverse than the left wing gangs. you're lying about the nazi symbols. one of the 2 NYC PBs who went to prison has a black wife and mixed babies.
the writer of this article is as stupid or disingenuous as you are 'the leader of racist alt right group has black wife'. like racist doesn't mean what you think it means. do you even race mix bro?
https://mtonews.com/racist-proud-boy-john-kinsman-arrested-has-black-wife[close]
Slavery may have ended 200 years ago but the effects of it are still very obvious if you pull your head out of your ass and lookkaren, karen, you dumb slut, karen.
Here’s 3 examples
1 black voter suppression
2 housing restrictions and education policies that make it harder for black people then white people
3 a justice system , if you can even call it that ,which locks more black men up then white peoples for the same damn crimes.
lady fanny you are a fucking bigot. Plain and simple
eat my fat fucking pussyslavery ended almost 200 years ago. give it a fucking rest. are you saying his wife [who is well spoken and supports her husband's beliefs and his group] is too stupid to get away from a racist? a slave? chattel who was forced to give birth to a rape baby?Expand QuoteHere's some news for you (apparently). Pretty much every slave owner had mixed race children resulting from their rape of slave women. Would you say the slave owners weren't racist because they procreated with black women? I'm guessing all your "black friends" were holding this info back from you.Expand Quoteantifa uses nazi symbols? that's news to me.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteum, antifa?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.[close]
Proud Boys is led by a Cuban. the other side froze his bank account, you really want to talk about institutional power of the right?
sounds like a lot of projection and accuse other people of what you do.
if there are true nazis, i think that's bad. i just say commies are equally bad.[close]
Great job pointing out yet ANOTHER group using NAZI symbols.....not communist symbols.
Stellar job in fact.[close]
i was saying Proud Boys aren't what you think they are. they're more diverse than the left wing gangs. you're lying about the nazi symbols. one of the 2 NYC PBs who went to prison has a black wife and mixed babies.
the writer of this article is as stupid or disingenuous as you are 'the leader of racist alt right group has black wife'. like racist doesn't mean what you think it means. do you even race mix bro?
https://mtonews.com/racist-proud-boy-john-kinsman-arrested-has-black-wife[close][close]
i don't like to insult anyone's intelligence but you're really not reaching for the stars, are you?
did the slave owners marry their slaves? no, so shut the fuck up, you simple simon motherfucker.
[unless you grew up in a house like that in which case i feel sorry for you and no wonder you see relationships like that]
INDEPENDENT TRUCKS SUCK
- Signed Venture Gang
Also, racism would be much less common and much more suppressed in modern culture if it wasn't for certain peoples obnoxious attempts to constantly silence ANYONE that disagrees with them, while they label THEM the intolerant ones. Obviously, most aren't like this but civil discussion is dying nowadays and it only causes more dumbasses to act racist and become radicalized because they feel silenced. Like the time CNN doxed and blackmailed a guy for making a pro-trump meme. Both sides are almost always at fault and everyone sucks.eat my fat fucking pussyExpand Quoteslavery ended almost 200 years ago. give it a fucking rest. are you saying his wife [who is well spoken and supports her husband's beliefs and his group] is too stupid to get away from a racist? a slave? chattel who was forced to give birth to a rape baby?Expand QuoteHere's some news for you (apparently). Pretty much every slave owner had mixed race children resulting from their rape of slave women. Would you say the slave owners weren't racist because they procreated with black women? I'm guessing all your "black friends" were holding this info back from you.Expand Quoteantifa uses nazi symbols? that's news to me.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteum, antifa?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteyesExpand QuoteExpand Quotei have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.[close]
My guess would be that Hitler was just more talked about, and bad people in America continued to use Nazi symbolism after the war. So I guess all that kinda keeps the focus of what we take away from WW2 there. Wasn't Stalin actually responsible for more deaths than Hitler? Idk, definitely an interesting question, careful though. Lately it seems like asking questions like this will send people into uncontrollable fits of rage. Even pondering about why something is the way it is, will seemingly ruin people's day, it's fucking weird. You don't even need to make a definitive statement, just ask about something or question something that isn't usually questioned, and people will take it as a personal attack against them and all of their views. Shits fucking weird these days. I wish people understood the value of questioning themselves, their views, and what they believe to be true more regularly. I told myself I would only talk about skateboarding on SLAP, but this caught my attention. Back to brainless shit talking and obsessive skate nerdery for me.[close][close]
The blaring diffence being there aren't neo-Communist groups that still appropriate the hammer cycle symbol and then go carried out violence against anyone that's not white....or non communist. Not to the extent that little Hitler humper group numbers are.
There are countless groups of Proud Boys and KKK inbred organizations that carry on the shitty symbolism represented by Adolf Hitler and his regime. And carry out violence so they can keep inbreeding with only people that look like them. Yeah Adolf didnt' understand genetics too well. But that's ok.
So sure search for moral equivalency in something that's just non existent in 2020....vast numbers of communist groups carrying out senseless violence against minoritys.....across the globe.
Great job deflecting from the nonsense you're regurgitating from Rush Limbaugh and a flat out white nationalist site.[close]
Proud Boys is led by a Cuban. the other side froze his bank account, you really want to talk about institutional power of the right?
sounds like a lot of projection and accuse other people of what you do.
if there are true nazis, i think that's bad. i just say commies are equally bad.[close]
Great job pointing out yet ANOTHER group using NAZI symbols.....not communist symbols.
Stellar job in fact.[close]
i was saying Proud Boys aren't what you think they are. they're more diverse than the left wing gangs. you're lying about the nazi symbols. one of the 2 NYC PBs who went to prison has a black wife and mixed babies.
the writer of this article is as stupid or disingenuous as you are 'the leader of racist alt right group has black wife'. like racist doesn't mean what you think it means. do you even race mix bro?
https://mtonews.com/racist-proud-boy-john-kinsman-arrested-has-black-wife[close][close]
i don't like to insult anyone's intelligence but you're really not reaching for the stars, are you?
did the slave owners marry their slaves? no, so shut the fuck up, you simple simon motherfucker.
[unless you grew up in a house like that in which case i feel sorry for you and no wonder you see relationships like that][close]
I think you're mildly regular.
i have an honest question i've never got a good answer for. why is the swastika so objectional [i mean, i know why] but the sickle and hammer isn't equally hated? i'd be ok with the whole 'punch a nazi' if people were morally consistent and punched commies too.shut the fuck up imperialist dumbass
i think it all comes down to marketing. Communism has killed scores more than national socialism.
I wilk skate the fuck outta some Indies but I will not sport their brand on my clothes
lady fanny, ultra karen, and agnarnomous all focused?
What happened?
lady fanny, ultra karen, and agnarnomous all focused?
What happened?
Lol. Nvm. Ignored looks similar to focused..Expand Quotelady fanny, ultra karen, and agnarnomous all focused?
What happened?[close]
Only one of those three focused, what are you on about?
lady fanny, ultra karen, and agnarnomous all focused?Keep my name outta your mouth bitch
What happened?
Keep my name outta your mouth bitchExpand Quotelady fanny, ultra karen, and agnarnomous all focused?
What happened?[close]
https://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.
I've posted that link before too. And beer city uses the iron cross. Indy uses alisee or whatever.Expand Quotehttps://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e
I've posted that link before too. And beer city uses the iron cross. Indy uses alisee or whatever.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e[close]
Expand Quotehttps://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e
there is a big difference between independent cross and classic nazi symbol. but both are christian.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Cross-Pattee-Alisee.svg/70px-Cross-Pattee-Alisee.svg.png) INDEPENDENT (NOT NAZI)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/German_Cross.svg/220px-German_Cross.svg.png) NAZI
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How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.
Expand QuoteI've posted that link before too. And beer city uses the iron cross. Indy uses alisee or whatever.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e[close][close]
Yes I agree.. It's hard to explain to all nazi hunters here that there are rules in symbolism.
Expand QuoteI've posted that link before too. And beer city uses the iron cross. Indy uses alisee or whatever.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://store.beercity.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e[close][close]
Yes I agree.. It's hard to explain to all nazi hunters here that there are rules in symbolism.
They still make Jason Jessee trucks fuck em
You motherfuckers owe me an apology.I was gunna make a burner account with the name TherealWoWnerd but you kinda already did that...
(https://i.imgur.com/jAitp0z.jpg)ive seen his hill billy confederate flag before but never noticed those, sucks to see ignorance like that. i wonder if he will see backlash?
I'm a big fan of Grant Taylor, so I've been thinking about putting Schutzstaffel bolts on the side of my garage.
ᛋtratosphere ᛋkateshop
better be some backlash no more excuses grant is fucking done let him scrap monster cans for a living in his sik slayer shirt like the sly fuckin gimp he isive seen his hill billy confederate flag before but never noticed those, sucks to see ignorance like that. i wonder if he will see backlash?Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/jAitp0z.jpg)
I'm a big fan of Grant Taylor, so I've been thinking about putting Schutzstaffel bolts on the side of my garage.
ᛋtratosphere ᛋkateshop[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/jAitp0z.jpg)
I'm a big fan of Grant Taylor, so I've been thinking about putting Schutzstaffel bolts on the side of my garage.
ᛋtratosphere ᛋkateshop
Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/jAitp0z.jpg)
I'm a big fan of Grant Taylor, so I've been thinking about putting Schutzstaffel bolts on the side of my garage.
ᛋtratosphere ᛋkateshop[close]
Fuckin hell. Not cool.
It’s getting muddy
For example, the SS bolts ‘font’ is used by Ryan Maddox for his ‘Same Shit Different Day’ series of vids.
And that dude is whole-heartedly anti-racist and talks a lot about how fucked up the racism was in his own home of Alabama.
It happens, that good people use a font or symbol with edgy connotations, not trying to glorify that history.
Humans are not black and white, no matter how we wish them to be.
Of course, there is completely unacceptable racist behavior that should get called out.
But if someone accused Ryan of being racist (instead of just needing a different font) because that font is easy to write in DIY concrete, it would be total slander about what that guy has stood for his whole life.
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How's beer city getting a free pass here? Their logo is an actual iron cross.[close]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e
there is a big difference between independent cross and classic nazi symbol. but both are christian.
lol, ok whatever you want to tell yourself Adios
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Cross-Pattee-Alisee.svg/70px-Cross-Pattee-Alisee.svg.png) INDEPENDENT (NOT NAZI)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/German_Cross.svg/220px-German_Cross.svg.png) NAZI
Damn GT, and didn’t his man Patlanta try to say 1010 was Buddhist?what the fuck does being a buddhist have to do with anything do you let priests babysit your kids because they claim religion too
what the fuck does being a buddhist have to do with anything do you let priests babysit your kids because they claim religion tooExpand QuoteDamn GT, and didn’t his man Patlanta try to say 1010 was Buddhist?[close]
Why they gotta refer to short sleeve t-shirts as "ss tee" on their website?Most brands do that, chill
Expand Quotewhat the fuck does being a buddhist have to do with anything do you let priests babysit your kids because they claim religion tooExpand QuoteDamn GT, and didn’t his man Patlanta try to say 1010 was Buddhist?[close][close]
Buddhism has used the Swastika for over 2000 years. Some of the swastikas in 1010’s collection are Buddhist in origin. But not all of them...
1010 is about as Buddhist as he is smart.
Rumour has it they had a meeting today on changing the logo
gromcigs right he aint as dumb as he is i just like to berate the fucker because hes still a cockroachExpand Quotewhat the fuck does being a buddhist have to do with anything do you let priests babysit your kids because they claim religion tooExpand QuoteDamn GT, and didn’t his man Patlanta try to say 1010 was Buddhist?[close][close]
Buddhism has used the Swastika for over 2000 years. Some of the swastikas in 1010’s collection are Buddhist in origin. But not all of them...
1010 is about as Buddhist as he is smart.
son you chill this is indy the adults are talking about have a juiceboxMost brands do that, chillExpand QuoteWhy they gotta refer to short sleeve t-shirts as "ss tee" on their website?[close]
Why do bikers use the Iron Cross?
The Iron Cross began to show up as a biker symbol in the mid 1960's. Since so many of the World War II generation associated the symbol with the enemy, Adolf Hitler, the younger generation found the perfect tool to show their rebellion. ... Bikers do like shocking the citizenry and the Iron Cross still does this today.
The Iron Cross symbolizes the courage of the old Prussian warriors, the great victories of the Bismarck era and the valor of the German soldiers of the First World War. Officially the fascist symbolism was removed from the Iron Cross in 1957.
Today
Today the Iron Cross on biker wallets may have different meanings to different people. For some bikers, they choose wallets with the Iron Cross simply because it is a design that has become embedded in the biker culture or because they like the design.
For other biker’s having an Iron Cross wallet is still an outward declaration of toughness of rebellion and living life by their own rules.
Many of the younger Biker’s of today choose wallets with the Iron Cross design because they believe that this Cross does represent honor and pride to their organization and to the open road.
Whatever the reason why a Biker may choose a wallet bearing an Iron Cross the design itself is not evil nor does it represent evil it is simply and eye catching design that has meaning whether aesthetically, personally, or as an organization to the biker.
hearing/reading non-motorcycle people talk about motorcycle culture is just as lame as hearing non-skateboarders talk about skateboardingmake sure to tell everyone at your local Harley dealership cool guy. Hopefully they have those leather chaps you've been wanting
second hand embarrassment/douche chills
i have never been in a harley dealership, but thanks for your retort cool guyI'm not cool. I'm not a straight edge biker trying to son people about motorcycle culture on a skateboard forum. No ones cares you know hot slang and your buddy Jimmy lets you use his bike lift for free because you put him on your
Last night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.Ace sponsored Jason Jessee for a little after he got dropped by everybody.
Does anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.
Does anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.
Expand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.
Expand QuoteI think you're mildly regular.[close]
Last night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.
Last night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.Joey T is o
Expand QuoteLast night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.[close]
Goddamnit it
Joey T is oExpand QuoteLast night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.[close]
ne of the best humans that I have ever known in my life
Expand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
Agreed. Using “trench” to promote any type of food makes it less appetizing. “Trench Trucks” might be kind of cool though .
I think you just invented GullwingsExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
Agreed. Using “trench” to promote any type of food makes it less appetizing. “Trench Trucks” might be kind of cool though .[close]
They’d come lookinglike they were grinded close to the axle but are brand new. Trench Trcuks. Ultimate lock in system.
There could be a market for this; Like denim that looks all distressed.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
Agreed. Using “trench” to promote any type of food makes it less appetizing. “Trench Trucks” might be kind of cool though .[close]
They’d come lookinglike they were grinded close to the axle but are brand new. Trench Trcuks. Ultimate lock in system.
I think you just invented GullwingsExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
Agreed. Using “trench” to promote any type of food makes it less appetizing. “Trench Trucks” might be kind of cool though .[close]
They’d come lookinglike they were grinded close to the axle but are brand new. Trench Trcuks. Ultimate lock in system.[close]
At this point in my life I’d skate Gullwings before Indys
There could be a market for this; Like denim that looks all distressed.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
Agreed. Using “trench” to promote any type of food makes it less appetizing. “Trench Trucks” might be kind of cool though .[close]
They’d come lookinglike they were grinded close to the axle but are brand new. Trench Trcuks. Ultimate lock in system.[close]
A bit late to the game.bump too fuckin late man
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBMFK8YJ7oM/?igshid=738p3i4uamm7
Expand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.
This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket. To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's. Does the same hold true for Indy gear? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.
Expand QuoteThis got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket. To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's. Does the same hold true for Indy gear? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.[close]
I thought the Manolo/ Strobeck thread made a better point about how nollie flipping a trash can straight is harder than doing it with a little shifty to give you a few extra inches of clearance. Tyshawn shouldn’t have been SOTY for that, and I think Strobeck was projecting when he said that Manolo jerks off to pictures of his ex girlfriend and wishes they could get back together. Fat Bill, if you’re reading this you should leave that bitch in the past, it’s not your fault you realized you’ve already peaked when it comes to attractiveness of bitches that you can pull, and sure the new ones won’t be as hot as that girl you beat your smegma covered dick to but that’s how life works sometimes. Maybe join a gym and stop talking to girls who haven’t finished high school yet, that’d be a start.
Edit: the iron cross isn’t racist, you’re overthinking things, and the monster under the bed won’t eat you (I promise 🤞🏻)
Yeah thats pretty much what she said.I just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.
Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anybody else think that Red Baron pizza should change its mascot? I always (okay, since high school) wondered about the connotations with that one. Those iron crosses were on his plane.[close]
They could probably change it to Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel Stuffcrust, but trench warfare isn't quite as sexy as dogfighting in a biplane.[close]
it was a fucking triplane asshole
Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)
Yeah thats pretty much what she said.Expand QuoteI just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close][close]
Very interested to see if anyone else will say something to Indy.
Expand QuoteYeah thats pretty much what she said.Expand QuoteI just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close][close]
Very interested to see if anyone else will say something to Indy.[close]
If you read the comments Lacey baker says she rode for them for years but just quit a month ago because they wouldn't change their logo
Last night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah thats pretty much what she said.Expand QuoteI just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close][close]
Very interested to see if anyone else will say something to Indy.[close]
If you read the comments Lacey baker says she rode for them for years but just quit a month ago because they wouldn't change their logo[close]
Yeah apparently a 'highly popular' skate brand just doesn't up and change something like a fart in the wind. Something he/she/they/Lacey/Leo/L. Baker should really learn to live by.
Expand QuoteLast night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.[close]
Did you screenshot this? This + flowing 1010 + Darryl Angel riding Aces (let's be honest, that walking surplus chromosome isn't paying for shit) throughout his new part... fuck.
any screenshots?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLast night Joey T was posting some “George Soros is funding a race war” shit on his insta story, now I’m looking at my aces like “gawdamnit.” I should just ride thunders.[close]
Did you screenshot this? This + flowing 1010 + Darryl Angel riding Aces (let's be honest, that walking surplus chromosome isn't paying for shit) throughout his new part... fuck.[close]
Yeah.....that’s all bad.
And I’ve been really stoked on mine lately.
be like Grosso switch to Ace they turn and grind better , no BS
It's a cross. Everyone needs to chill out. I will lose what little respect I had left for the brand if they change the logo.
So is Indy Edward Norton in American History X while Ace is the younger brother?
I would like to enter into evidence the highest award in the British honour system: the Victoria Cross.That’s not the Indy cross tho
Ace 144’sdrop the 1 dog. Indy got that shit burned in your brain.
You’ll never look back
I had an indy cross tattooed on me when I was a kid. When I got older I really started realizing what it was associated with when pecker wood white boys and bikers would "brother" up to me in bars and shit. That tattoo is now long gone. I want nothing to do with that business.This same shit happens to me. I've a hard time describing it but I can tell when it's happening. I watch my overall vibe and gear because of it. It's nice to know I'n m not alone even if it is a pretty wack occurrence.
This same shit happens to me. I've a hard time describing it but I can tell when it's happening. I watch my overall vibe and gear because of it. It's nice to know I'n m not alone even if it is a pretty wack occurrence.Expand QuoteI had an indy cross tattooed on me when I was a kid. When I got older I really started realizing what it was associated with when pecker wood white boys and bikers would "brother" up to me in bars and shit. That tattoo is now long gone. I want nothing to do with that business.[close]
I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9
That’s not the Indy cross thoExpand QuoteI would like to enter into evidence the highest award in the British honour system: the Victoria Cross.[close]
Their use of black and red really doesn't help.This. If it were a rainbow cross, no one would bat an eye. They certainly seem to be going for a certain look. Iron crosses were really common in punk rock in the 80's; Motorhead, Warzone, etc... pretty sure that's what Indy was going for. But, that was 40 years ago.
REALLY Tough discussion.
Although the concave arms, convex ends cross like Indy uses hasn't really been used by nazi's.
It's VERY easy to confuse with the concave (or straight) arms, straight ends version that the nazi's used.
The problem is that Nazi's repurposed old imagery to fit them, they didn't design anything 'new'.
And the other problem is that a lot of people just yell 'nazi imagery' at anything that remotely 'looks' like what the nazi's used.
I guess the differences are too subtle for most people. And I don't blame them.
Also the US doesn't have the history of 'knights' and/or 'midieval' imagery, decorations for old kings etc. and people probably haven't seen that in paintings old books etc. In Europe it's all taught in schools but I have no idea how this is in the US.
LIke I work for a leftwing feminist organisation. I wore Indy longsleeves shirts etc to work and no one asked me anything in 6 years. Ever. 'Oh that's an Iron cross, like the knights!' 'yeah', 'alright cool, here's your briefing for today'. Even the bosses didn't bat an eye when I wore that.
On the other hand, if I didn't have a clue what skateboarding was, didn't know where the cross was used before and I saw a dude with an iron cross shirt and 'INDEPENDENT' written above it. I'd think twice too...
This is NO DISS by any means, just genuine interest how history is taught and interpreted all over the world.
And like I said, tough discussion...
I read Indy was going to change their logo? will it still be a cross? And if so I think some people will ALWAYS find something to diss a certain type of cross.
This. If it were a rainbow cross, no one would bat an eye. They certainly seem to be going for a certain look. Iron crosses were really common in punk rock in the 80's; Motorhead, Warzone, etc... pretty sure that's what Indy was going for. But, that was 40 years ago.Expand QuoteTheir use of black and red really doesn't help.[close]
Per Kyle Beachy:
“For anyone interested, NHS has had two different letters they've used to defend the Independent cross logo in the past. Long and short, both here.“
(https://i.imgur.com/PCKu6VU.jpg)
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Per Kyle Beachy:
“For anyone interested, NHS has had two different letters they've used to defend the Independent cross logo in the past. Long and short, both here.“
Cry about it, bitch.Expand QuoteThey better change the logo to a teddy bear riding a unicorn, or someone will think it's too scary. You know what, scratch that. Unicorns have sharp horns. Society is too soft.[close]
Maybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.
Maybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.
I feel like a cross is such a basic symbol to just ban because of nazi's. I never even thought twice of it until this thread. Like others have pointed out too, it's styled a bit different than the crosses the nazs used. I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9
Expand QuoteI feel like a cross is such a basic symbol to just ban because of nazi's. I never even thought twice of it until this thread. Like others have pointed out too, it's styled a bit different than the crosses the nazs used. I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9[close]
Ive worn Independent clothes for decades, rode the trucks for decades. Not once has anyone every even mentioned to me it was a nazi cross and why am I wearing it, because it's not.
Expand QuoteMaybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.[close]
I don't even like the logo honestly but it's become more of a statement of not letting cancel culture dictate what you can and cannot do.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like a cross is such a basic symbol to just ban because of nazi's. I never even thought twice of it until this thread. Like others have pointed out too, it's styled a bit different than the crosses the nazs used. I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9[close]
Ive worn Independent clothes for decades, rode the trucks for decades. Not once has anyone every even mentioned to me it was a nazi cross and why am I wearing it, because it's not.[close]
You wearing it is a perfect endorsement, for me to not want to wear it. Like a lot.
Case closed, boys. Indy is innocent.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like a cross is such a basic symbol to just ban because of nazi's. I never even thought twice of it until this thread. Like others have pointed out too, it's styled a bit different than the crosses the nazs used. I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9[close]
Ive worn Independent clothes for decades, rode the trucks for decades. Not once has anyone every even mentioned to me it was a nazi cross and why am I wearing it, because it's not.[close]
You wearing it is a perfect endorsement, for me to not want to wear it. Like a lot.[close]
Sure do what you want. It's a non issue. And this is coming from a person of color. I know it's not nazi symbolism. Independent has always sponsored people of color. And they themselves say it's not nazi. Go do what you do.
Expand QuoteMaybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.[close]
Dope idea.
To go further, make them at ermico, or other North American foundry. Don’t make a ton. Charge whatever.
I don’t know about the economics of (anything) truck reissues, but it’d be rad.
Will never happen.
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Take the cross away, from all indys/merch. (Creating an underground market for racist skaters that cannot nose/tail slide to trade/sell trucks.
Come out with the reissue made in ‘murica truck as a nod to positive heritage.
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.[close]
I don't even like the logo honestly but it's become more of a statement of not letting cancel culture dictate what you can and cannot do.[close]
It's less about a gradual restriction of your freedom than it is about society learning from its mistakes throughout history and adapting its standards accordingly as awareness is being raised on formerly neglected problems. Everyone is still totally free to be an asshole if they feel like it - they're just going to stand out as just that with no facade to hide behind. Some are scared and will try to blame the evolution on something foreign, but it's really on them to maybe start working on themselves. Remaining critical goes both ways.
And as a sidenote. My friends and i were set upon by a group of fascist skaters whilst in Germany on tour (one guy actually had a swastika tattooed on his forehead!) every one of them was wearing indy Iron cross shirts. Regardless of what NHS might think, there are a lot of worthless fucks that support and wear Indy gear specifically because of it's similarity to Nazi imagery.
Israel is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories
Equating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.
Equating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.[close]
Expand QuoteI feel like a cross is such a basic symbol to just ban because of nazi's. I never even thought twice of it until this thread. Like others have pointed out too, it's styled a bit different than the crosses the nazs used. I'd defintely wouldn't wear a patch like this though. https://images.app.goo.gl/5YzU8YjJoRx4TP4h9[close]
Ive worn Independent clothes for decades, rode the trucks for decades. Not once has anyone every even mentioned to me it was a nazi cross and why am I wearing it, because it's not.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaybe Indy should just make Stage VIIs again. No logo (not necessary) and stage VII were the best anyway.
that way you please 2 groups of people.[close]
I don't even like the logo honestly but it's become more of a statement of not letting cancel culture dictate what you can and cannot do.[close]
It's less about a gradual restriction of your freedom than it is about society learning from its mistakes throughout history and adapting its standards accordingly as awareness is being raised on formerly neglected problems. Everyone is still totally free to be an asshole if they feel like it - they're just going to stand out as just that with no facade to hide behind. Some are scared and will try to blame the evolution on something foreign, but it's really on them to maybe start working on themselves. Remaining critical goes both ways.[close]
You might be right but is it really harming anyone to have that shitty logo?
My bad that was @Mike Oxwelling and was meant to point out his excellent use of whataboutism in reference to the pic of the Star of David over the Indy cross.Expand QuoteEquating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.[close][close]
I didn’t think anyone had presented, nor attempted to win, an argument.
Just another problematic symbol.
This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket. To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's. Does the same hold true for Indy gear? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.
Expand QuoteEquating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.[close][close]
I didn’t think anyone had presented, nor attempted to win, an argument.
Just another problematic symbol.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteEquating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.[close][close]
I didn’t think anyone had presented, nor attempted to win, an argument.
Just another problematic symbol.[close]
The pic is from Lotties, who is a Jewish American, don't think he was necessarily trying to bring up a replacement but just bringing attention to the problematic iron cross
SameExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteEquating all of Judaism with Israel is a lousy take. But ya know whatever wins the argument I guess.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIsrael is a champion of human rights: completely devoid of any racism. I read it on Holmes's insta stories[close]
Yeah I was like fuck. The star looks cool....but damn. Maybe a ☮️ would look sick. Not very hellride tho.[close][close]
I didn’t think anyone had presented, nor attempted to win, an argument.
Just another problematic symbol.[close]
The pic is from Lotties, who is a Jewish American, don't think he was necessarily trying to bring up a replacement but just bringing attention to the problematic iron cross[close]
I’m sorry: I got that.
My first thought was: Star of David looks pretty sick tbh. Followed by, fuck, also represents a lot of suffering/oppression for some other folks via Israel.
None of it needs to be that deep.
And to Jake: I’m not trying to shit on Judaism, nor could I if I wanted to, which I do not.
Indy is kinda jammed up (I don’t feel sorry for them), they have a really strong brand image, that is successful, and problematic. I’m sure they will be fine, no matter what they do, but I hope they ditch the nazi adjacent imagery.
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Indy is a business, pretty sure in the end it's going to act like a business and do what it deems good for business. They might change the logo, but probably only if they feel like they have to for the long term benefit of the business. Stuff like this doesn't ever come down to real ethics (like, is it morally incumbent on them to change the logo, or whatever) it's mostly just going to be NHS gaming out how mad people will get if they do nothing vs. do something and then trying not to fuck it up whatever they do.
What's with the salute?hahaha
pretty sure this is mike gigliotti's board, who is jewishExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/Kztaori.jpg)
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Which pros are jewish? Lotti and Glick?
I'm jewish and didn't know any other jewish skater in my city for a long time.
got me there homes. My baddrop the 1 dog. Indy got that shit burned in your brain.Expand QuoteAce 144’s
You’ll never look back[close]
The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people. That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"
Here's some more fodder for the shit show....
(https://i.ibb.co/TLPQpPW/hawk-board.jpg)
Is the Birdman cancelled?
Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times. Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry. He was a long time ago I know.
If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?They should try to build on the lowercase i logo they used not too long ago. They need to just remove the iron cross as the dot
If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?
Expand QuoteIf they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?[close]
Should vs Would is kind of interesting question to pose
Just bring back Orion trucks and get it over with. Those trucks were actually good.
Ventures are just bargain bin trucks with a merketing machine behind them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?[close]
Should vs Would is kind of interesting question to pose[close]
Indeed. The should: they honestly don't need a logo. At all. "The Independent Truck Company" in some sort of font/framing like Harley would be enough. They're established enough to not need one. But the would: NHS's kitschy product line of absolute shit needs a logo for koozies and wall-clocks...so they probably wont change it.
I think you're mildly regular.
The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people. That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one. The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.
Here's some more fodder for the shit show....
(https://i.ibb.co/TLPQpPW/hawk-board.jpg)
Is the Birdman cancelled?
Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times. Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry. He was a long time ago I know.
Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one. The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.Expand QuoteThe irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people. That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"
Here's some more fodder for the shit show....
(https://i.ibb.co/TLPQpPW/hawk-board.jpg)
Is the Birdman cancelled?
Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times. Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry. He was a long time ago I know.[close]
This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket. To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's. Does the same hold true for Indy gear? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.
Lol you guys always play this game “name some facts, all of which I will call FAKE”. Grow up man, Trump is racist, if you support him you’re racist too. Most of America can see it so you’re not fooling anyoneExpand QuoteThis got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket. To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol? Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America? The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's. Does the same hold true for Indy gear? Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.[close]
So because that person was at a trump rally, that instantly makes them racist? They couldn’t just like the brand? If someone uses a car to run people over, does the car company now stand for that persons beliefs? I shouldn’t have to say this, but I am not a trump supporter, so if you plan on using that as an insult, it will not work. What has trump done that proves him a white supremacist or racist? What verifiable, proven facts? Not just accusations.
Putting a Star of David on your Indy's is really making a statement and sticking it to the man.
If you want people and companies to change, vote with your money.
This applies doubly if you're a well-respected skate shop and skate shop owner.
I mean, I know we all have our preferences, and we're all very particular, but honestly, do you REALLY care about your trucks that much that you want to make some kind of statement but not enough to actually switch over to another brand? This is Instagram politics in a nutshell.
Are Indy's inherently racist? Is the company itself? Probably not, no. Did they have several meetings about maybe feeling like they seemed a bit racist, but decided, ultimately, that if people liked their logo-adorned products enough to keep buying them by the bucket load, who cares? Certainly.
Do they have ready-made press releases to send out anytime someone asks about racist or hateful imagery, which kind implies they know all this and don't really give a fuck? Sure.
And does wearing an Indy shirt or riding their trucks make you racist? Definitely not.
Have racists and fuckheads bought Independent branded product just because it was an easy and relatively cheap way to give off a certain "vibe"? For sure.
Have Independent made loads of money that way? Oh, definitely.
They might change the logo, but it won't ever change the fact they were fine with that, and happy to make a profit off of it until the world changed and they got called out.
This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.And, one could argue, far more important things to get triggered over.
Companies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something
Just bring back Orion trucks and get it over with. Those trucks were actually good.I’m not proud to say when I owned a shop I sold the shit out of those
Ventures are just bargain bin trucks with a merketing machine behind them.
Thanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.
Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one. The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.Expand QuoteThe irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people. That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"
Here's some more fodder for the shit show....
(https://i.ibb.co/TLPQpPW/hawk-board.jpg)
Is the Birdman cancelled?
Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times. Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry. He was a long time ago I know.[close]
I have some Indy, venture and krux. My favorite trucks are thunders. I rode some aces on a friend’s board and they seemed super turny but it could of just been set up on a board with a short wheelbaseAnd, one could argue, far more important things to get triggered over.Expand QuoteThis is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.[close]
Eyes forward, keep moving, focus on the target. There are REAL issues still to be addressed, meanwhile folks are getting distracted by fuck all who knows what's next. Want to watch the small gains made in the last few weeks dissolve? G'head & chase 45 year old decisions of questionable/poor taste from a skate brand's art dept. rather than holding violent fucks accountable for executions outside of due process. Lots of mud made here on SLAP about this, but how much of it is getting thrown at police departments that back up murderous cops?
This shit isn't going to fix itself without your help, but it sure as hell isn't going to get better anytime soon if we're busy bickering over an indy logo.
Besides, if you need to buy a made in China truck, you can always put your dollars on ACE.
Just wait for their redesign, complete w/ tottenkopf logos on the base plates. ;)
poop back and forth is my favorite video on the internet. for life
You motherfuckers owe me an apology.
Expand QuoteYou motherfuckers owe me an apology.[close]
Thanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close]
Not Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)
(https://i.imgur.com/oa43WW6.png)
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
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I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?
Expand QuoteYeah thats pretty much what she said.Expand QuoteI just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”Expand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close][close]
Very interested to see if anyone else will say something to Indy.[close]
If you read the comments Lacey baker says she rode for them for years but just quit a month ago because they wouldn't change their logo
I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
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I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?[close]
Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that
I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)[close]
I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?[close]
Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that[close]
Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo
Expand QuoteI agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)[close]
I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?[close]
Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that[close]
Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo[close]
Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).
The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?
Not Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)
(https://i.imgur.com/oa43WW6.png)
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Expand QuoteNot Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)
(https://i.imgur.com/oa43WW6.png)
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In 1996 I had a Flip shirt with that font and underneath it said " Hate. Kill. Destroy.", no lie. I wore it once when I went to work (at a restaurant, changing out of the tee into a uniform) and my filipino friend tripped out. I'm from a small east coast town in Canada that's almost entirely white, so at the time I had no idea flip was a slur. Never wore that shirt again.
It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?
It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?
No, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.Expand QuoteIt’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?[close]
I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time
Can this thread be cancelled now please.
Expand QuoteCan this thread be cancelled now please.[close]
Good call I always wondered why no one ever questioned the Flip iron cross. It’s pretty blatant.
They’re graphics vibe heavily off the Motorhead aesthetic that unapologetically uses Nazi imagery on all it’s merch. It’s a known fact that Lemmy Kilmister was a serious collector of WW2 German militaria.
I agree but that doesn't mean it isnt a good idea to get rid of the cross. It would be a fuck you to their white pride customers of which there's a lot. Good message I guess rite?No, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?[close]
I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time[close]
Yeah I get what your saying man.I agree but that doesn't mean it isnt a good idea to get rid of the cross. It would be a fuck you to their white pride customers of which there's a lot. Good message I guess rite?Expand QuoteNo, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?[close]
I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time[close][close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)
(https://i.imgur.com/oa43WW6.png)
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In 1996 I had a Flip shirt with that font and underneath it said " Hate. Kill. Destroy.", no lie. I wore it once when I went to work (at a restaurant, changing out of the tee into a uniform) and my filipino friend tripped out. I'm from a small east coast town in Canada that's almost entirely white, so at the time I had no idea flip was a slur. Never wore that shirt again.[close]
And that’s just the decent response.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)[close]
I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?[close]
Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that[close]
Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo[close]
Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).
The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?[close]
You still haven't heard a goddamn thing ive said. Dont like it, QUIT
They should give Peanut a pro truck and have a full pager of him ripping to introduce whatever new Indy symbol. If they had a contest to design a symbol thing it'd prolly get a ton of art submitted and they could get something better for sure.
.Expand QuoteThey should give Peanut a pro truck and have a full pager of him ripping to introduce whatever new Indy symbol. If they had a contest to design a symbol thing it'd prolly get a ton of art submitted and they could get something better for sure.[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohGniYph-c
mannn yes I do really I should've read the username before I responded. ignore on.So ur just a mean cunt basically, great.
they're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.
I know people get put out over Iron Crosses, but they're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ7JOnZXgAEnHme?format=jpg&name=medium)
It wasn't a great choice for a logo, but they only used it for aesthetic reasons, not idealogical ones.
If they changed the logo they've had since 1979, they'd lose so much brand identity.
Fausto, Blackhart and Eric Swenson weren't Nazis!
If you think they are, you're deluded.
If you don't like the logo, don't buy the stickers and softgoods. Simple.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.[close]
Here you go...
(https://i.imgur.com/rBsezrs.jpg)[close]
I'm probably taking someone's post but...
Who?[close]
Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that[close]
Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo[close]
Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).
The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?
Considering you left out that the "Indy Cross" is part of their brand identity of a company that's been successful for 30+ years now suggests you're not a successful company owner. The bigger point here is all these idiots now coming out to "prove" they're not racist by taking a swipe at soft targets.[close]
This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethey're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.[close]
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/622806/files/15705077/independent-trucks-independent-144-stage-11-hollow.jpg)[close]
Questionable logos aside, who gave the okay for the design on those Joslin trucks? That logo "splash" looks disgusting and is reason enough not to buy them.
Expand Quotethey're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.[close]
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Who's life matters most, blacks or trans!?
Expand QuoteWho's life matters most, blacks or trans!?[close]
not sure. Is it better to be born Black or Trans?
Black. You don't have to tell your parents.
Have a kook trashbag
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWho's life matters most, blacks or trans!?[close]
not sure. Is it better to be born Black or Trans?
Black. You don't have to tell your parents.[close]
Will the lives of us normal white guys ever matter as much as the lives of the men who wear dresses and demand we play along with their fetishes and flop their dicks out in the change rooms where young girls get undressed!?
I know people get put out over Iron Crosses, but they're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.Every independent truck has an iron cross on the baseplate
Will the lives of us normal white guys ever matter
Yeah, well you're a member of the GayGayGay!Go fuck yourself and focus your account you homophobic cunt
That's the club for people who are so gay that they want a dictatorship which forces everybody to play along with crossdressers fetishes!
Right? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.Expand QuoteThanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close][close]
I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"
u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol
spit on them a hundred times
Right? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close][close]
I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"
u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol[close]
Because I don’t give a shit if it’s a logo I think is silly but I do give a shit about looking like a Nazi. I never said it’s racist (it came out of a time of rampant racism and it reminds me of that era) nor did I say I’d boycott, I just said I’d prefer if they change it.Expand QuoteRight? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close][close]
I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"
u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol[close][close]
If it doesn't matter then why change it? It's not racist.
Fuck id buy Peanut Brown Indys. Hes still blasting airs and shit.
.Expand QuoteFuck id buy Peanut Brown Indys. Hes still blasting airs and shit.[close]
Got a link to any footage? Had his airbourne deck. I must have been about 10. Fuck I went back and forth over so many different boards. Couldn’t decide. Still remember some of the other boards I was looking at, which is fucked because I cannot remember all that much. Ironically, I guess, one of the boards was a Jason Jesse sun god, the tail shape seemed sick, modern, not as whale/fish shaped. I’m really not sure why I chose the Peanut board, wasn’t like I was being influenced by footage, mags, didn’t really have a skate squad.
Zorlac and Airbourne had some fucking cool shit.
Because I don’t give a shit if it’s a logo I think is silly but I do give a shit about looking like a Nazi. I never said it’s racist (it came out of a time of rampant racism and it reminds me of that era) nor did I say I’d boycott, I just said I’d prefer if they change it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRight? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close][close]
I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"
u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol[close][close]
If it doesn't matter then why change it? It's not racist.[close]
(http://freepepe.org/images/pepe.jpg)how about no new accounts allowed for about a year
how about no new accounts allowed for about a yearExpand Quote(http://freepepe.org/images/pepe.jpg)[close]
So ur just a mean cunt basically, great.Expand Quotemannn yes I do really I should've read the username before I responded. ignore on.[close]
Mega lolExpand QuoteSo ur just a mean cunt basically, great.Expand Quotemannn yes I do really I should've read the username before I responded. ignore on.[close][close]
Lol
Most of my early purchases were mail order and at the time the companies that had the best ads in the mags were all out of ca. I remember Santa Cruz, Powell peralta, dogtown and Alva being the main decks I had my eyes on.Expand QuoteFuck id buy Peanut Brown Indys. Hes still blasting airs and shit.[close]
Got a link to any footage? Had his airbourne deck. I must have been about 10. Fuck I went back and forth over so many different boards. Couldn’t decide. Still remember some of the other boards I was looking at, which is fucked because I cannot remember all that much. Ironically, I guess, one of the boards was a Jason Jesse sun god, the tail shape seemed sick, modern, not as whale/fish shaped. I’m really not sure why I chose the Peanut board, wasn’t like I was being influenced by footage, mags, didn’t really have a skate squad.
Zorlac and Airbourne had some fucking cool shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Juv63EdcNk&t=59s.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck id buy Peanut Brown Indys. Hes still blasting airs and shit.[close]
Got a link to any footage? Had his airbourne deck. I must have been about 10. Fuck I went back and forth over so many different boards. Couldn’t decide. Still remember some of the other boards I was looking at, which is fucked because I cannot remember all that much. Ironically, I guess, one of the boards was a Jason Jesse sun god, the tail shape seemed sick, modern, not as whale/fish shaped. I’m really not sure why I chose the Peanut board, wasn’t like I was being influenced by footage, mags, didn’t really have a skate squad.
Zorlac and Airbourne had some fucking cool shit.[close]
Sadly no but i heard thru the grapevine he was still doin it.
Not to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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Not to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.All that I can say is FUCK
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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Not to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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Expand QuoteNot to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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Wow, that's about as clear as you could ask for. Good research.
And while it's good that they got rid of their old logos, the new logos look lame.
Expand QuoteNot to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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I don’t think I’ve posted in this thread before but I was in the “it’s just a cross” club. The Jolson salute ad was pretty damning tho.
Anyway, can’t defend it anymore after seeing that. Clear as day.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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I don’t think I’ve posted in this thread before but I was in the “it’s just a cross” club. The Jolson salute ad was pretty damning tho.
Anyway, can’t defend it anymore after seeing that. Clear as day.[close]
Same thing happened to me in another thread. I was of the “it’s just a stupid, edgy logo” crowd, until someone shared a video about an old 60s California surf and skate Nazi culture, and how their imagery and iconography ended up as an obvious influence for the nascent skate scene, including Indy.
Now it seems as if Indy is completely done with the cross, and every time they post anything without it, a bunch of extremely sensitive dudes complain about it. Apparently every time they fail to see an iron cross, they get angry.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNot to rehash a now moot point, but probably was a good move on Indy's part to move on from the Iron Cross. Whether or not it was originated from the WW2 era Iron Cross, they definitely embraced it on this shirt. From Chicago Blowout 1986.
(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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I don’t think I’ve posted in this thread before but I was in the “it’s just a cross” club. The Jolson salute ad was pretty damning tho.
Anyway, can’t defend it anymore after seeing that. Clear as day.[close]
Same thing happened to me in another thread. I was of the “it’s just a stupid, edgy logo” crowd, until someone shared a video about an old 60s California surf and skate Nazi culture, and how their imagery and iconography ended up as an obvious influence for the nascent skate scene, including Indy.
Now it seems as if Indy is completely done with the cross, and every time they post anything without it, a bunch of extremely sensitive dudes complain about it. Apparently every time they fail to see an iron cross, they get angry.[close]
I just took a look at the indy insta, and there are a bunch of dudes in their feelings about the cross. It’s funny because irl, it feels like most people, haven’t noticed or don’t care.
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Wow, that's about as clear as you could ask for. Good research.
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hahahaExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/kDDqt2p/Screenshot-20210731-181721-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kDDqt2p)
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Wow, that's about as clear as you could ask for. Good research.[close]
Cab is a Nazi and Max Schaff hates him?
seems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor
Jesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!QuoteExpand Quoteseems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor[close]
Cab has Jesus as an advisor
Jesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!Expand QuoteQuoteExpand Quoteseems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor[close]
Cab has Jesus as an advisor[close]
He hangs in drip delight upon his IndyExpand QuoteJesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!Expand QuoteQuoteExpand Quoteseems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor[close]
Cab has Jesus as an advisor[close][close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdak3wunX8E
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Expand QuoteBecause I don’t give a shit if it’s a logo I think is silly but I do give a shit about looking like a Nazi. I never said it’s racist (it came out of a time of rampant racism and it reminds me of that era) nor did I say I’d boycott, I just said I’d prefer if they change it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRight? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCompanies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something[close]
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.[close][close]
I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"
u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol[close][close]
If it doesn't matter then why change it? It's not racist.[close][close]
Fair enough. People can just switch to ace too. Great trucks and they deserve our business.
I’d like to try a pair of Aces but I don’t think I’ll ever skate a pair of trucks that feel as good as Indy hollows.
Got a sticker pack from Indy, tried a couple new ones on my Welcome deck and it still rolls good. Seems to get along fine with the older cross sticker from my pack of bolts.Bro. I had to tap my blunt out after reading this.
Also, I always wear a traditional cross--not the Indy one, but the common lowercase-t-shaped cross that's in churches--because I'm super into capital punishment. It gets on my nerves that people see it and think I'm Christian--the cross obviously existed and had a meaning before they nailed Jesus to it. People should learn history and not assume my beliefs based on a symbol. I used to wear a noose shirt too, also in support of capital punishment, obviously, nothing to do with race, but people kept refusing to hear me out about ropes with knots existing as a tool for justice before the slave trade. It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair. I just like capital punishment, I swear.
I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason
actually jesus reached out to christian hosoi at the dew tour and told him to bless cab with the power of god
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I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason[close]
Not sure if you got the allegory, but read the next to last sentence if you took my post literally--I think the sarcasm is too on-the-surface to have to type "/s" like this was Reddit. I got the idea from an old Bill Hicks bit comparing the Christian cross to wearing a gold sniper rifle necklace because you're a fan of John F. Kennedy.
Got a sticker pack from Indy, tried a couple new ones on my Welcome deck and it still rolls good. Seems to get along fine with the older cross sticker from my pack of bolts.
Also, I always wear a traditional cross--not the Indy one, but the common lowercase-t-shaped cross that's in churches--because I'm super into capital punishment. It gets on my nerves that people see it and think I'm Christian--the cross obviously existed and had a meaning before they nailed Jesus to it. People should learn history and not assume my beliefs based on a symbol. I used to wear a noose shirt too, also in support of capital punishment, obviously, nothing to do with race, but people kept refusing to hear me out about ropes with knots existing as a tool for justice before the slave trade. It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair. I just like capital punishment, I swear.
i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious
its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”Expand Quotei’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious[close]
Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now
its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”Expand QuoteExpand Quotei’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious[close]
Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now[close]
its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”Expand QuoteExpand Quotei’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious[close]
Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now[close]
i despise royal but hey 9.95 for some trucks is hard to beat especially coming from a somewhat reputable and established company.Expand Quoteits the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”Expand QuoteExpand Quotei’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious[close]
Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now[close][close]
Man. Those guys are really attached to a logo they have nothing to do with. I guess good branding by Indy? Trucks are trucks. I've ridden Indy, Venture, and Thunder. They are not that different. It's like the guys on here who get all upset over a .1" difference in wheelbase. Like Zorlac used to say, "Shut up and skate."
I even have a set of Royals on my cruiser b/c Crail was selling the narrow ones for like $9.95 on some crazy clearance sale. They are not that bad.
i despise royal but hey 9.95 for some trucks is hard to beat especially coming from a somewhat reputable and established company.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteits the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”Expand QuoteExpand Quotei’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious[close]
Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now[close][close]
Man. Those guys are really attached to a logo they have nothing to do with. I guess good branding by Indy? Trucks are trucks. I've ridden Indy, Venture, and Thunder. They are not that different. It's like the guys on here who get all upset over a .1" difference in wheelbase. Like Zorlac used to say, "Shut up and skate."
I even have a set of Royals on my cruiser b/c Crail was selling the narrow ones for like $9.95 on some crazy clearance sale. They are not that bad.[close]
those new Krux trucks that say RACISM on the hangar.
If youve ever paid for truck merch I worry for you
Thanks for contributing to the conversation... RTBFTR though, right bro?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think you're mildly regular.[close][close]
Have a purple Indy cross tattoo to make fun of the skate jocks that rep Indy like a sports team. Upset about it because Indy is now a Chinese shit product.
What’s my best option when these break for pools, curbs, hillbombs?
I haven’t skated anything other than Indy’s since 2005.
Have a purple Indy cross tattoo to make fun of the skate jocks that rep Indy like a sports team. Upset about it because Indy is now a Chinese shit product.sure that’s why you got it but aces
What’s my best option when these break for pools, curbs, hillbombs?
I haven’t skated anything other than Indy’s since 2005.
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I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason[close]
Not sure if you got the allegory, but read the next to last sentence if you took my post literally--I think the sarcasm is too on-the-surface to have to type "/s" like this was Reddit. I got the idea from an old Bill Hicks bit comparing the Christian cross to wearing a gold sniper rifle necklace because you're a fan of John F. Kennedy.
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I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason[close]
Not sure if you got the allegory, but read the next to last sentence if you took my post literally--I think the sarcasm is too on-the-surface to have to type "/s" like this was Reddit. I got the idea from an old Bill Hicks bit comparing the Christian cross to wearing a gold sniper rifle necklace because you're a fan of John F. Kennedy.[close]
I really don't want anyone to take my post literally so, because there are people in this world who actually are stupid enough to wear crosses because they are pro-execution, I added "It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair" to make it clear (I thought) that I'm making fun of people who act like the general public doesn't see the Indy logo as racist even though that wasn't its creator's intention. I'm making fun of people who argue with closed-circuit-loop logic which ignores all context and outside perspective. I graduated HS in 2003 in rural Kentucky and a lot of us didn't wear the Indy cross back then because racist rednecks all thought it was some KKK shit. Reading this thread, it's pretty obvious that a lot of us have experience with people thinking the Indy cross is a white power symbol. I have the little cross logo sticker on the bottom of my deck because I know that nobody who sees the bottom of my skateboard will think it's a racist symbol, but I've never worn the Indy cross on a shirt because it's been obvious to me since I was a kid that most people (at least where I'm from) see it and think it's a white power symbol. It doesn't matter that they're technically incorrect because they're not familiar with that symbol in any other context (i.e. they have no idea what "skateboard trucks" are), so to wear it where I'm from is to be cool with being associated with the most horrible groups of people in our country. It's just obvious that if you're from the rural south you do not wear the Indy logo unless you don't mind being associated with the KKK, but I understand that it's not that way everywhere. Just please don't think I'm actually out here wearing crosses and nooses supporting the death penalty.