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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: GOKU on April 14, 2018, 09:19:42 AM
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Always thought it was interesting that there was a Mariano trick thrown into Tom Penny's Really Sorry part. This was a couple years before Guy's comeback, and not very long after Penny's disappearing act ended.
Was Guy's inclusion a nod to how both these fellas were elusive style legends who everyone wanted to see more of? Never got the impression that Penny and Mariano really hung out or skated with eachother...
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its all a conspiracy
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It was a little teaser that said "yes I'm back and yes I will be doing ugly tricks."
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Better question is why Jamie Thomas is in "Friends" section in DTL? Jamie of Zero?
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
Are you the Skip Bayless of Slap?
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Also, where is Dill’s guest trick in Sorry?
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Is that Mariano doing the fakie bigspin flip over the trash can? It was the only dude who didn't look like Penny in that, but in fairness I kind of forgot to look because Tom Penny is amazing.
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Also, where is Dill’s guest trick in Sorry?
I believe he has a back smith on a ledge over some stairs in Arto's part.
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
I like watching Penny skate a mini ramp, but I don’t go nuts over him like some people do when they see him do a flat ground kick flip and then push for 5 minutes and call it a “line”
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he may have the mental capacity that of a bag of stale California raisins but you're out of your god damn mind if you don't count penny for anything less than legendary
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This is one of my favorite parts of all time, so I feel seriously embarrassed that I never noticed that was Guy. I just thought Tom had a weird phase and shaved his head hahahahah. It is so obviously Guy though.
I prefer the Alex Moul nollie varial flip. Also, the nollie FS bigspin down that big 3 is the best nollie FS bigspin ever done and I learned how to pop that trick well because of that clip.
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Also, where is Dill’s guest trick in Sorry?
I believe he has a back smith on a ledge over some stairs in Arto's part.
Haha, I wondered the same thing for years. Asked Slap awhile ago and got the same answer. Didn't seem like a Dill trick at all. Years ago I read a Clyde Singleton review of Sorry in Big Brother and he wrote "Was that Dill in there too?" so of course when I read that I tried to find the clip to no avail.
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Also, where is Dill’s guest trick in Sorry?
I believe he has a back smith on a ledge over some stairs in Arto's part.
Thanks dude. I thought this was it, but wasn't sure.
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
You're so fucking stupid it makes me sick. Have some respect you little shit!
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did anyone ever address what happened to that little girl penny kicked? also reported.
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did anyone ever address what happened to that little girl penny kicked? also reported.
Minutes later, she curled up and died.
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
I like watching Penny skate a mini ramp, but I don’t go nuts over him like some people do when they see him do a flat ground kick flip and then push for 5 minutes and call it a “line”
Well this is the type of line that gave him his status
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXM8V2pKL0w
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did anyone ever address what happened to that little girl penny kicked? also reported.
Minutes later, she curled up and died.
At least she died doing what she loved.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
This is definitely news to me. I've never seen anything in print or media about this happening. Care to elaborate a bit more?
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"At six a.m., near Salvador Dali’s house in Cadaques, Spain, Tom severely injured his ankle while jumping a chasm between two rocks. The footage was used at the beginning of his part. He was on his way to Barcelona to film for eS’ Menikmati, with Eric Koston and Rick McCrank. Since he was unable to film a full part it was decided, by both the people at eS and Flip, that Tom’s part in Menikmati would be recycled footage and they would save whatever new footage he had for Sorry."
https://www.adventuresportsnetwork.com/sport/skateboarding/15thingssorry/
This originally ran in Skateboarder, there's a bunch of interesting things in there.
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"At six a.m., near Salvador Dali’s house in Cadaques, Spain, Tom severely injured his ankle while jumping a chasm between two rocks. The footage was used at the beginning of his part. He was on his way to Barcelona to film for eS’ Menikmati, with Eric Koston and Rick McCrank. Since he was unable to film a full part it was decided, by both the people at eS and Flip, that Tom’s part in Menikmati would be recycled footage and they would save whatever new footage he had for Sorry."
https://www.adventuresportsnetwork.com/sport/skateboarding/15thingssorry/
This originally ran in Skateboarder, there's a bunch of interesting things in there.
Thanks for tracking down the info! For some reason the Salvador Dali factoid remained in my head, but not really anything else...
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Nuts, I never knew that. This also makes me miss Skateboarder that much more.
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Rowley and Arto vert section would have been so cool.
Back to the original topic, I spent the last couple hours re-watching Guy's Epicly Later'd and Life On Video episodes, because I thought for sure the Sorry fakie bigflip got referenced in one, but I think I was conflating his Yeah Right! big flip (which did get a mention) and a fakie bigflip he did over a table when he first got sober.
You can see a brief shot of the sequence of the table trick, while a Bright Eyes song off of Digital Ash plays, at 3:50 in here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQq2Ug91XQ
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Nuts, I never knew that. This also makes me miss Skateboarder that much more.
Skateboarder had a lot of cool ideas for articles. The Video Days reunion they put together not long before the magazine RIPd was aces, there's some videos of it remaining online but I think a couple are no longer anywhere to be found. And those classic "15 things you never knew about ______" were great. Aaron Meza was/is a great writer.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Thanks for that I got my flip vids mixed up there. Whenever his first flip part came out. We were all waiting after getting teased with that 360 hippy jump.
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I've talked about this with numerous people, but probably the one you'de be familiar with is will at cult of Tom
You'de be amazed not on the problems Tom had, moreso the issue the industry had with Tom..
He was the "Michael Jordan of skateboarding". But if you are aware, Tom was the victim of the industry. Tom checked out early, almost overnight. Rightfully so IMO. He was subject to alot of bullshit.
One day it will all come to light.
The basic point was although skatboard media promoted him like a motherfucker, they also were involved in demonizing him.
I was there the day he filmed his infamous "chain to bank".
Was it incredible? Absolutely. But he did way more tricks than video showed.
Flip, transwold and thrasher all put a halt on Pennys footy.
Why? Not sure. But Tom talks about it personally.
Flips goal was to promote Geoff Rowley. Which is ok because he too took America by storm.
But one day you will hear Rowley talk about this.
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It has to be one of the more random guest trick. I think it has been explained somewhere, but I've always been confused about Reynolds having a guest trick in Chico's Skate More part.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
these two and others said what i meant but better. the flip 411 part w his switch flip over the rail and everything else, the chain/bank stuff and a few other things were amazing but his career was over as fast as it started. he also had the cheech & chong and mushroom graphics that never went away that helped the legend keep going.
very psyched on the conspiracy theory angle that's emerged as well as some of the other stuff that explains it.
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did anyone ever address what happened to that little girl penny kicked? also reported.
Well that was in Switzerland so she probably apologized off camera and still feels guilty about the whole thing 15 years later.
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
And Quim.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
In adidas shelltoes while riding for eS, nonetheless!
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
In adidas shelltoes while riding for eS, nonetheless!
Despite sponsoring a couple people like Gonz and Richard Angelides, nobody considered adidas to be a real skate shor company at the time, and shell toes weren’t part of their skate program, so it wasn’t the kind of conflict of interest it would appear to be today. It was like skating in timberlands or basketball shoes or some other chiller shoes that weren’t really for skating.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
In adidas shelltoes while riding for eS, nonetheless!
Shelltoes were used to skate waaaay before this
Richard angelides, Mike McGrath, Drake Jones and a shit tonne of others.
The shelltoes is not only stylish, it's highly functionable
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
For the record, Tobin is not listed in the credits of Uno as a filmer, unless this conspiracy runs real deep.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
In adidas shelltoes while riding for eS, nonetheless!
I know you were put on this earth solely to be contrarian on SLAP, but your point is completely moot. That was his first clip in a major video in years and he wasn’t even wearing his sponsors shoes. Pretty funny, especially since that’s not the first time he did it! He ripped the greatest switch flip on flat known to human kind wearing DC clockers in eS - menikmati. Legendary.
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I witnessed Penny skate a few times during his first North American rampage. I've seen a lot of people do a lot of incredible shit on a skateboard. Penny is the only person I have ever witnessed do incredible shit, first try mind you, on other people's boards. It takes a special kind of skill to be able to pick up a random board and do the hardest shit imaginable.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
For the record, Tobin is not listed in the credits of Uno as a filmer, unless this conspiracy runs real deep.
tobin was a thrasher/dlx photographer. uno was a tws video. never the twain shall meet.
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Yah the really sorry was a look at Penny after the magic left. Now all these years later I can watch all this era of Penny and enjoy it but it was like a shot to the heart for Penny people like me back when it came out. It was all over. He's the best street skater of all time who could hang with Hosoi and Chris Miller in the bowl.
Not even Really Sorry either, just straight-up Sorry a lot of magic was already gone. Some messed up personal shit musta happened to him during his seclusion, it's been alluded to before in interviews with people. Plus there's the injury he got jumping between those two rocks in Sorry, the footage doesn't make it look that terrible but it was also mentioned by people in interviews as something that fucked Penny up a bit. Still love him forever tho!
Let alone the best nollie hardflip ever done. Fuggin' Videoradio, who woulda thought that one of the best Penny tricks ever would be in a Transworld x Circa tour video? Haha
In adidas shelltoes while riding for eS, nonetheless!
Shelltoes were used to skate waaaay before this
Richard angelides, Mike McGrath, Drake Jones and a shit tonne of others.
The shelltoes is not only stylish, it's highly functionable
Quim was on, Lance at the same time and Jamal same time I think too. They came correct and people knew about it.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
whu? that's insane! ... then again, it was penny in his prime
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I witnessed Penny skate a few times during his first North American rampage. I've seen a lot of people do a lot of incredible shit on a skateboard. Penny is the only person I have ever witnessed do incredible shit, first try mind you, on other people's boards. It takes a special kind of skill to be able to pick up a random board and do the hardest shit imaginable.
I think this is kinda the heart of the Penny thing. People who were there during his prime day he’s among the best ever, even compared to everyone who came after in the subsequent quarter century. It also adds to the mystique that it seems like he wasn’t particularly concerned with filming, and you had to be there to really grasp how incredible he was.
It seems pretty clear that he had a rough few years after disappearing, and I’ve always looked at post-Sorry Penny footage as a sort of bonus.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
For the record, Tobin is not listed in the credits of Uno as a filmer, unless this conspiracy runs real deep.
Nah, Tobin was there. Unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
Anyone that's skated with Tom or been present when he did tricks knows what I'm talking about.
Surreal. Sometimes only one filmer, sometimes 20 fucking people. You'de be so stoked to see it first hand, then it would never appear in any video or mag.
The legend of Tom penny is not heresay. People witnessed this shit.
One day it will appear I hope
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
For the record, Tobin is not listed in the credits of Uno as a filmer, unless this conspiracy runs real deep.
Nah, Tobin was there. Unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
Anyone that's skated with Tom or been present when he did tricks knows what I'm talking about.
Surreal. Sometimes only one filmer, sometimes 20 fucking people. You'de be so stoked to see it first hand, then it would never appear in any video or mag.
The legend of Tom penny is not heresay. People witnessed this shit.
One day it will appear I hope
Skin Phillips filmed it. He talks about it on the nine club. Not that I want to poo-poo the possibility of more footage, but if there were more, I think he would've mentioned it.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
there is no way that this happened
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
While the tape was still rolling?
If so, that footage needs to see the light of day ASAP.
Yes, I think it was Tobin filming. It will come to light one day. Same with a bunch of random fuck around footy that was unreal to watch first hand
For the record, Tobin is not listed in the credits of Uno as a filmer, unless this conspiracy runs real deep.
Nah, Tobin was there. Unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
Anyone that's skated with Tom or been present when he did tricks knows what I'm talking about.
Surreal. Sometimes only one filmer, sometimes 20 fucking people. You'de be so stoked to see it first hand, then it would never appear in any video or mag.
The legend of Tom penny is not heresay. People witnessed this shit.
One day it will appear I hope
Skin Phillips filmed it. He talks about it on the nine club. Not that I want to poo-poo the possibility of more footage, but if there were more, I think he would've mentioned it.
He was there too that's obvious. But what you don't see is the 25-30 others there as well
Alot of the power players of the industry we're there.
Some of the footy is buried. It's will resuface eventually.
Thrasher(and those involved) always buried Tom footy and presented goeff Rowley.
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I assumed it was drugs...that's the connection....
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
This was done in 1994 quite awhile before that session, so it’s entirely possible.
https://instagram.com/p/BKb7Cw8Aw6_/
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^ what do you say about that clip? Can a penny disparager please post one of their comments beside that clip so I can understand why hes not that good anyway.
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thrasher did kind of dog him out in captions 'tom smokes so much the outside world doesn't matter. nobody cared that tom did this sw bs lipslide. neither did tom.'
or 'asides all the chemicals, tom penny is a real ripper'.
we all had the idea he was a junk bomb but it might've just been weed, a little mushrooms? who knows?
can you imagine 'take away the meth and ethan fowler has a real nice bsts'.
i believe the conspiracy now.
and whoever didn't believe he did both fs 360 flips, the proof is in the pudding. that regular one ^ is the rarer of the 2. he's all the time doing the switch one.
why did the bible choose geoff > penny?
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thrasher did kind of dog him out in captions 'tom smokes so much the outside world doesn't matter. nobody cared that tom did this sw bs lipslide. neither did tom.'
or 'asides all the chemicals, tom penny is a real ripper'.
we all had the idea he was a junk bomb but it might've just been weed, a little mushrooms? who knows?
can you imagine 'take away the meth and ethan fowler has a real nice bsts'.
i believe the conspiracy now.
and whoever didn't believe he did both fs 360 flips, the proof is in the pudding. that regular one ^ is the rarer of the 2. he's all the time doing the switch one.
why did the bible choose geoff > penny?
Is that thrasher quote ver betum? I don't remember it exactly going like that.
I heard it was heroin.
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verbatim from memory of a caption that ran in prolly 94.
so yeah, i think i got it right.
i thought heroin then too [and maybe it was] but who knows? mushroom board says otherwise.
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It has to be one of the more random guest trick. I think it has been explained somewhere, but I've always been confused about Reynolds having a guest trick in Chico's Skate More part.
Was gonna say the same thing. I think it has something to do with Chico liking Reynolds varial heels and when they asked if we wanted a guest trick he said get Reynolds or something. It’s definitely been explained but it was a puzzler back when that video came out.
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
That and the fact that they both filmed with Danny Minnick during that period is the explination that makes the most sense to me.
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why did the bible choose geoff > penny?
Vans money ? (wild guess)
Cc: Bastien when it comes to Flip doing somebody dirty by burying their footage, until said footage is no longer as revolutionary as it would have been in its right context regarding the historical progression of technical skateboarding. literally work your ass off to invent cab flip front boards down 10's over a decade ago, only to have your precious five minutes of life-endangering footage, meticulously collected for innovation's sake, swept under the rug for monetary reasons ? if you haven't made a name for yourself - and, as in Bastien's case, bank - already by then, then how the fuck are you supposed to live with that ? furthermore, Bastien and I guess Tom might have been real tough to manage at times but when it all comes down to it, no company, no brand owns skateboarding and its culture ; sitting on someone's clips because they might catch too much attention and sell the wrong shoe is everything but constructive. in order to progress in whatever humble but crucial ways, the world needs to see that stuff, it's a matter of principle. in a way that's why I'm stoked modern outlets such as Instagram are around ; no matter how hard companies may try, being user content-based, they can't really be curated, for better or for worse, but I'd rather focus on the better aspect.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
I too do not buy this. If the conspiracy were just for the nollie/fakie bigspins I might believe it, but Dyrdek wouldn't have been so gung-ho about witnessing a switch backside flip if he'd fs 360 kickflipped it regular and switch.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
I too do not buy this. If the conspiracy were just for the nollie/fakie bigspins I might believe it, but Dyrdek wouldn't have been so gung-ho about witnessing a switch backside flip if he'd fs 360 kickflipped it regular and switch.
dyrdek's a salesman. if you told him to get psyched about a tiny horse or an obese black man going on a diet he'll say 'how psyched?'
sillhouette, your reminder about bastien's saga makes the conspiracy seem more believable.
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Has anyone seen the footage of Tom skating the bowl in Amsterdam recently? It came out about five years ago. I think it’s been pulled cause he seemed high and showed his rotting teeth. He looked great just rolling around the bowl with the graffiti and what not. Can someone provide cause I can’t find
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Also that Eric Fletcher footage that was held onto and then shown in that shitty “documentary” water marked property of flip skateboards.
The conspiracy continues.....
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
That and the fact that they both filmed with Danny Minnick during that period is the explination that makes the most sense to me.
I just said drugs....and you had to name names....
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I've talked about this with numerous people, but probably the one you'de be familiar with is will at cult of Tom
You'de be amazed not on the problems Tom had, moreso the issue the industry had with Tom..
He was the "Michael Jordan of skateboarding". But if you are aware, Tom was the victim of the industry. Tom checked out early, almost overnight. Rightfully so IMO. He was subject to alot of bullshit.
One day it will all come to light.
The basic point was although skatboard media promoted him like a motherfucker, they also were involved in demonizing him.
I was there the day he filmed his infamous "chain to bank".
Was it incredible? Absolutely. But he did way more tricks than video showed.
Flip, transwold and thrasher all put a halt on Pennys footy.
Why? Not sure. But Tom talks about it personally.
Flips goal was to promote Geoff Rowley. Which is ok because he too took America by storm.
But one day you will hear Rowley talk about this.
are you alluding to some type of documentary or interview that's been discussed (i.e. Epicly Laterd)? if not, Cult of Tom should do one
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
That and the fact that they both filmed with Danny Minnick during that period is the explination that makes the most sense to me.
I just said drugs....and you had to name names....
Haha. My bad, i guess..
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I've talked about this with numerous people, but probably the one you'de be familiar with is will at cult of Tom
You'de be amazed not on the problems Tom had, moreso the issue the industry had with Tom..
He was the "Michael Jordan of skateboarding". But if you are aware, Tom was the victim of the industry. Tom checked out early, almost overnight. Rightfully so IMO. He was subject to alot of bullshit.
One day it will all come to light.
The basic point was although skatboard media promoted him like a motherfucker, they also were involved in demonizing him.
I was there the day he filmed his infamous "chain to bank".
Was it incredible? Absolutely. But he did way more tricks than video showed.
Flip, transwold and thrasher all put a halt on Pennys footy.
Why? Not sure. But Tom talks about it personally.
Flips goal was to promote Geoff Rowley. Which is ok because he too took America by storm.
But one day you will hear Rowley talk about this.
are you alluding to some type of documentary or interview that's been discussed (i.e. Epicly Laterd)? if not, Cult of Tom should do one
Cult of Tom should do it. He's only loyal to the footage. I've talked to his numerous times and he definitely knows what up.
His name is Will and he's here on slap.
This dood lives to get the footy out.
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Has anyone seen the footage of Tom skating the bowl in Amsterdam recently? It came out about five years ago. I think it’s been pulled cause he seemed high and showed his rotting teeth. He looked great just rolling around the bowl with the graffiti and what not. Can someone provide cause I can’t find
I can’t find it but me and my friend quote it all the time to this day - him drinking like a monster and showing his teeth and saying “my teeth are fucked as well”
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Hi all. My first post on here so, what's up. Been a reader for a long time.
I figured out the Guy Mariano guest trick in sorry brain scratcher. (The two greats makes sense though)
1. The same clip is used in the BLVD so I knew it came from Danny Minnick.
2. I asked DM on IG on his vault page and he responded that he traded his clip of Guy to Rowley for some clips...that everyone loves Guy footage and that Guy gave it the green light.
So, I guess he was just networking. It was a nice touch imo.
Loved Collage too, the street Rune clips in collage where Rune is wearing a Jersey skating street, Sheffey's trade show footy, and Paulo Dias shouting out, "Stacy! Stacy Peralta!" And does the best line in Hollywood on the walk of fame. No comply shuv 😎
I always found Minnick to be down to earth. He is actually super nice.
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Rewatched both Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classics. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
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Rewatched both Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classics. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
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I'm a big fan of Corey Duffel's "some of my best friends are black" guest tricks.
Also, yo Beta you alright guy? And what other tricks did he do over the chain?
Yeah I'm ok. Thanks for asking. His did nollie bigspin frontside and backside. Did both fakie too. Then he did frontside 360 flip regular and switch.
This was done in 1994 quite awhile before that session, so it’s entirely possible.
https://instagram.com/p/BKb7Cw8Aw6_/
Sure... but doing that trick off a bump over a skatepark pyramid and doing it over a chain into a steep ass bank are totally different IMO. The latter being way harder. His skill was undeniable, but color me very skeptical.
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Theres a genuine potency to this thread.
I know for a fact that all the yanks were giving him a real hard time
at the Radlands comp. They just could not handle his nonchalance
and raw talent combined. This is common knowledge. Koston, Howard etc.
I cant imagine that got easier once he moved to the states.
In a tribal as fuck industry where everyone huddles for warmth
like hamsters.
People talk about Tom like hes dead even though he is still out there, skating better
than nearly everyone his age. And he never made a sound. As much as I would love to hear him candidly talk
about his experience growing up in the industry, I don't know how that would
improve his legacy - he didnt need hype, he always let his skating do the talking.
I think he is under rated both as a skater and a human being.
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Rowley and Arto vert section would have been so cool.
Back to the original topic, I spent the last couple hours re-watching Guy's Epicly Later'd and Life On Video episodes, because I thought for sure the Sorry fakie bigflip got referenced in one, but I think I was conflating his Yeah Right! big flip (which did get a mention) and a fakie bigflip he did over a table when he first got sober.
You can see a brief shot of the sequence of the table trick, while a Bright Eyes song off of Digital Ash plays, at 3:50 in here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQq2Ug91XQ
Love they used that Bright Eyes song in that video. Conor has more connections to the skate world than you would think.
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I still don't buy the story of these extra chain bank tricks. I would be extaticly happy to be proved wrong though.
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I realize this is like a 3 year old thread and those guys saying "Penny is over rated!" are probably trolling... but I can actually give you a very solid reason why Tom is actually one of the most influential skaters of all time.
He basically invented proper kickflips and fs flips.
Show me a clip of someone doing a nice kickflip before penny. go back and watch any of those plan B videos, H Street, etc. its all Mob. Tom was the first one to abandon the Bicycle Techinque and catch them proper with the flick straight out. Steve Olson and Reynolds were the next 2 to have nice kickflips. heath had them as well. For example just look at markovich's kickflip down carlsbad. it was pretty rocket. or jeremy wray blasting some of those huge ones out of curb cuts. they had the right idea but they were really rocket. Penny was the one to point them down and style them out.
If you go back and watch that menikmati dvd extras you can kind of see toms evolution of skating and even in the beginning his kickflips were not that nice. it took awhile before his started looking like that. his fs flips were super tic tacky at first too but at some point around 93-94 id say he just started to nail that shit and you can see in the Etnies High 5 part his stuff looks really nice and thats a big reason people always referenced that part. also those contest clips where hes super chill and fs flips that pyramid i tihnk thats around the time he really blew up
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What is the date that Tom Penny invented the proper kickflip and what video or magazine documented it and showed it to other skaters to emulate?
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penny is probably the most overrated skater of all time.
he's done some cool stuff especially when he first came out and had that bowl cut but that's about it.
I understand this take. Penny up until the Flip industry section was okay, lots of great flip tricks but not the best style. Then around the Flip Industry section or Radlands 94, he developed that sleepy style, where his flip tricks and other tricks just looked perfect. That’s when he elevated to legend status. He was untouchable for a few years and produced some of the greatest skateboard footage/photos of all time.
And then he disappeared. When he came back, he was a shell of his former self and his bad style came back. You had to live through those peak years to be on board with his legend status, but in reality, it was like 3 years of killing it and then that’s it.
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I realize this is like a 3 year old thread and those guys saying "Penny is over rated!" are probably trolling... but I can actually give you a very solid reason why Tom is actually one of the most influential skaters of all time.
He basically invented proper kickflips and fs flips.
Show me a clip of someone doing a nice kickflip before penny. go back and watch any of those plan B videos, H Street, etc. its all Mob. Tom was the first one to abandon the Bicycle Techinque and catch them proper with the flick straight out. Steve Olson and Reynolds were the next 2 to have nice kickflips. heath had them as well. For example just look at markovich's kickflip down carlsbad. it was pretty rocket. or jeremy wray blasting some of those huge ones out of curb cuts. they had the right idea but they were really rocket. Penny was the one to point them down and style them out.
If you go back and watch that menikmati dvd extras you can kind of see toms evolution of skating and even in the beginning his kickflips were not that nice. it took awhile before his started looking like that. his fs flips were super tic tacky at first too but at some point around 93-94 id say he just started to nail that shit and you can see in the Etnies High 5 part his stuff looks really nice and thats a big reason people always referenced that part. also those contest clips where hes super chill and fs flips that pyramid i tihnk thats around the time he really blew up
steve robert has a nice caught one down a ledge in rubbish heap
jed walters ender in love child
mike daher over a table in a visual sound
mc has a great fs flip over a bench in his first line in goldfish
i’m sure there are plenty of other examples, just listed some off the top, i love penny but you’re reaching
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All I know is that when Penny hit the scene it was like nothing before. I’m 43 and have been skating since 9yo. Ban This blew my mind, then H-Street vids with Hensley doing180 kickflip melons, Video Days again changed everything as so on. But I’ll never forget the first time I saw High Five. Penny turned skateboarding on it head and had an impact on us stronger than anything that had ever happened before it. Instantly we all tried to change our kickflips. And our skating/gear in general. And for years it got better and BETTER till he was ghost. In that time any footage he had was mind blowing (the massive kickflip landing on the skinny step in Big Brother(?). Everything. Plus the Radlands coke rumour ha! The Columbia boots..
I bet the old guard we pissed. And rightfully so.
I’ll just leave this picture below. IYKYK.
(https://i.ibb.co/SxzdvQR/29-A2-CD2-D-43-AD-499-F-A21-C-0135-E1-AE39-BA.png) (https://ibb.co/SxzdvQR)
One of my biggest wishes in skating was that he aged like Reynolds or Guy or AVE but shit happens. Penny will always be the best.
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I realize this is like a 3 year old thread and those guys saying "Penny is over rated!" are probably trolling... but I can actually give you a very solid reason why Tom is actually one of the most influential skaters of all time.
He basically invented proper kickflips and fs flips.
Show me a clip of someone doing a nice kickflip before penny. go back and watch any of those plan B videos, H Street, etc. its all Mob. Tom was the first one to abandon the Bicycle Techinque and catch them proper with the flick straight out. Steve Olson and Reynolds were the next 2 to have nice kickflips. heath had them as well. For example just look at markovich's kickflip down carlsbad. it was pretty rocket. or jeremy wray blasting some of those huge ones out of curb cuts. they had the right idea but they were really rocket. Penny was the one to point them down and style them out.
If you go back and watch that menikmati dvd extras you can kind of see toms evolution of skating and even in the beginning his kickflips were not that nice. it took awhile before his started looking like that. his fs flips were super tic tacky at first too but at some point around 93-94 id say he just started to nail that shit and you can see in the Etnies High 5 part his stuff looks really nice and thats a big reason people always referenced that part. also those contest clips where hes super chill and fs flips that pyramid i tihnk thats around the time he really blew up
steve robert has a nice caught one down a ledge in rubbish heap
jed walters ender in love child
mike daher over a table in a visual sound
mc has a great fs flip over a bench in his first line in goldfish
i’m sure there are plenty of other examples, just listed some off the top, i love penny but you’re reaching
you reckon jeremy's ender in the color video is rocket ?
serious ?
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I know most of you, if not all already know this, but it's always worth pointing out that the whole "venus in furs" part in the original sorry video was TP and not Arto Saari. I got in the longest YouTube arhument w/ someone who would just not accept that it wasn't Arto.
I feel like that Europe 95 411 is truly the moment where people realized how awesome his skating was. And even though he didn't win it in 96, he stole the show in the 411 Europe 96 video.
As far as a sw tre down that bank...well if you watch Danny Minnick's Genie of the Lamp TP part, Tom is skating in a "roller skating rink" turned skatepark, does a noseblunt down a box set up on another box, lands fakie and then does the best sw tre i've seen to this day. I would totally love if there was even one more trick from that day...who knows. Skin did say he is sitting on some TP footage in his 9 club that wouldnt be released for the internet, but for something better. There's an IG comment from French Fred or Theo Hand where they say they still have more too.
On that cult of tom page, donny barley wrote a commenr about how Tom would sit around the house and figure out tricks, then if you watch that footage of tom that came out recently where hes wearing timbs and a scarf and a black jacket and he is at that hubba he sw nose slides in paris, he is clearly visualizing it, he even sits down and slides down it...pretty cool. Even if theres just behind the scenes footy left, its still really interesting.
Remember, back then 6 months felt like 2 years, so when Tom resurfaced skateboarding had changed. He had already left by "fulfill the dream", zero and jamie thomas sent skateboarding into hammer time, and the d3 was going strong; kasperholics, muskateers, 411 may have even changed formats by then...then returns Penny. He dressed way differently. But I loved it...because it's him...and he had fought his battles and won.
Not to get too nerdy, but he really is like a wizard...he fought the balrog of his own demons and came back the white wizars...hey, i guess we need heroes...but then again, a lot of the rumors of things he did during his hiatus in timbs and other ppls boards have been corraborated...like the ollie down that huge "jaws like" stair set that someone shot on a disposable camera only, yet it exists!
Btw, I think it was the skateboard mag where Tony Hawk is doing doubles on the cover where Penny has a great interview. It really hits on his wizard like persona. It's a classic.
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Everyone should read Penny's Big Brother interview from back in the day. They republished it in their tenth anniversary issue I believe.
I might've mentioned this on Slap before, but I vividly remember being sixteen years old and reading it in the drugstore magazine aisle, with tears of laughter streaming down my face.
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Someone should post that pic of him holding up the huge...eh, penny.
Btw, as far popping kfs...Sami Harithi was an influence on Tom and he had some great style.
The kickflip definitely went through an evolution...a perfect example of a 94 kf is Kris Markovich's Carlsbad kf.
It was def part of an arc where it evolved from the kick straight down then to side gonz version all the way to penny's. I feel like that real early way is still kind of cool to watch. Spike talks about it in his 9 club.
I'd say TP kind of derailed Markovich and J Wray, but it was all just part of the natural progression of skateboarding where things got more refined...it really was an awesome time. And don't get me wrong, jeremy wray and markovich are awesome, Penny just took it one step further, and then it seemed like he sailed off into the sunset before the espn commercialization of skateboarding when kids who just started skating would ask seasoned skaters if they could do an "ollie north".
If 95 Penny isn't your favorite...haha. who said that, Brink?
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Oh 1 more thing. I was thinking about this the other day. Tom is the only skater I can think of that's A-level at every discipline of skateboarding:
1. Flat ground
2. Manny pads
3. Ledges
4. Skateparks
5. Stairs
6. Gaps
7. Handrails
8. Mini ramps
9. Bowls
10. Vert
Maybe guy and carroll too, but it's hard to be pro level at any skateboard discipline (for lack of a better description)
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I realize this is like a 3 year old thread and those guys saying "Penny is over rated!" are probably trolling... but I can actually give you a very solid reason why Tom is actually one of the most influential skaters of all time.
He basically invented proper kickflips and fs flips.
Show me a clip of someone doing a nice kickflip before penny. go back and watch any of those plan B videos, H Street, etc. its all Mob. Tom was the first one to abandon the Bicycle Techinque and catch them proper with the flick straight out. Steve Olson and Reynolds were the next 2 to have nice kickflips. heath had them as well. For example just look at markovich's kickflip down carlsbad. it was pretty rocket. or jeremy wray blasting some of those huge ones out of curb cuts. they had the right idea but they were really rocket. Penny was the one to point them down and style them out.
If you go back and watch that menikmati dvd extras you can kind of see toms evolution of skating and even in the beginning his kickflips were not that nice. it took awhile before his started looking like that. his fs flips were super tic tacky at first too but at some point around 93-94 id say he just started to nail that shit and you can see in the Etnies High 5 part his stuff looks really nice and thats a big reason people always referenced that part. also those contest clips where hes super chill and fs flips that pyramid i tihnk thats around the time he really blew up
steve robert has a nice caught one down a ledge in rubbish heap
jed walters ender in love child
mike daher over a table in a visual sound
mc has a great fs flip over a bench in his first line in goldfish
i’m sure there are plenty of other examples, just listed some off the top, i love penny but you’re reaching
you reckon jeremy's ender in the color video is rocket ?
serious ?
Jeremy's kickflip is properly flicked, level and caught. Don't listen to Rawbertson - dude doesn't even know frontside from backside.
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
It's a weird one for sure. No intro, nothing between the parts, video didn't really have cohesiveness to it. The weird Mark Appleyard freeze frame after his first song.
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Theres no fucking way he frontside 360 flipped over that chain and into that bank , regular or switch stance . He's the king but until i ever see the footage of that claim i cannot believe it no matter how much i love Tom Penny, and i do love Tom Penny . I'm thinking you don't know what trick you're talking about here . Like he did something else and you seem to think its a frontside 360 flip ? Anyways you're lucky to have been on that session . I walked by Tom one day in BCN close to MACBA and couldn't believe what was walking towards me . Later that nite i got to smoke weed and drink a few pops at MACBA with em . It was incredible .
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Normally I wouldn't feel comfortable telling someone who claims to have actually been on a session that they're full of it, but something is giving me "embellishment" vibes from this story. People idolized Tom by the time the chain bank footage came out, he went from other pros talking shit on him out of jealousy at Radlands to being everyone's favorite. I have a really hard time believing he did even harder tricks and they straight up just didn't use them, yet put everything else in, including the warm up tricks. If they were filmed they would have surely been shared by now, all these years later. I'm also a huge fan of OG Penny and he was obviously capable of amazing things without much thought, but I'm not buying this story. I will gladly eat my words if there's any confirmation of this - someone should reach out to Weiss. Hell, I'm gonna ask Swift next time the opportunity arises. He might know.
Edit: fuck it - messaged Swift. I did work with him for a bit. Not even sure if he was the guy filming (it was Skin and Danny Mayer, right?) but he would know if more had been done for sure.
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I could kind of see it happening with those 90s style frontside flips. He basically rolls up 90 degrees for most the tricks so it would be more like a 270 flip.
Or possible confusion and it was nolle and fakie 270 flips
Why you'd never use the footage tho doesn't make much sense to me. Even if they were saving it for a part that never happened you'd think someone would put out the footage by now for something.
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I could kind of see it happening with those 90s style frontside flips. He basically rolls up 90 degrees for most the tricks so it would be more like a 270 flip.
Or possible confusion and it was nolle and fakie 270 flips
Why you'd never use the footage tho doesn't make much sense to me. Even if they were saving it for a part that never happened you'd think someone would put out the footage by now for something.
Exactly - when Anthology came out they used more of the raw footage and had Dyrdek singing his praises telling the whole story, even going so far as to say what sequence a lot of it happened in. It just doesn't make sense that, at that point, they would omit some crazy bangers and a few others that would have made the story even crazier.
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Sami Harithi
He's been posting recent skating on IG lately, still kills it: https://www.instagram.com/samiharithi/
@BugleBites really interested in hearing about those potentially leftover tricks. Frontside 360 kickflip regs or switch into those banks sounds impossible and way harder than over a skatepark pyramid (which already is insane, at least that one; thinking about it, wasn't Ray Barbee also doing that trick - regs on pyramids - for a short while?). But the industry censoring skating that is too good just because it doesn't benefit their direct interest wouldn't exactly be unheard of. Thinking of stuff like that Bastien ''''''lost'''''' part again. Professional skating really dislikes it when it's being exposed as the fraud that it is under many aspects.
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
And Quim.
...and Dave Robinson which is about as random as it gets. I think it was in the thrasher 20th anniversary interview.
Dave is a skater from London who rode flow for a few brands here and there but never really bothered to chase sponsorship.
Incredible natural talent who would shy away from a camera a lot.
Mad that he got name checked.
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
It's a weird one for sure. No intro, nothing between the parts, video didn't really have cohesiveness to it. The weird Mark Appleyard freeze frame after his first song.
It really was just meant to be the DVD version of Sorry they were releasing...
Flip used to have this thing where they always kind of went the extra mile. Thats why Xtremely Sorry came with griptape and some plastic toy bits. That's why for anyone who has ever attended their demos, they seem to do more to make sure that kids got what that came for and some...
They'd been on a tear and had a ton of extra footage so with the above in mind, thought that re-releasing something which had already been released with 2-3 extras (as was the done thing then and for a long time after) wasn't cool. They didn't have footage of everyone on the team (Chalmers was still on. Rune, too...and I think Eric Fletcher and another am) so couldn't really make a new video...but they did have enough to make parts for some of the crew.
Apparently, it wasn't meant to be premiered and it was just DVD extra parts but lots of countries heard that there were parts and pushed for premieres, so the whole thing got blown up as a bit more than what it was meant to be.
That was told to me by Ian Deacon about 15 years ago.
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That was told to me by Ian Deacon about 15 years ago.
That's pretty much how I remember Really Sorry being introduced in general at the time, too, or at least in some (early?) ads. Really Sorry was basically the name of the DVD release of Sorry and that new 'video' was essentially just a bonus edit on the DVD, except that coincided with the era of peer-to-peer platforms taking off and so the 'Really Sorry' video was ripped and shared on equal terms as the original video, and from then on the new generations in general always assumed that both productions were the result of comparable full-length ambition.
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The sort of people who think that Penny is overrated probably think that Jackson Pollock just made a mess and that anyone could do it.
The point of course is that no one did it before him, not like that.
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it was pretty nice but still not nearly as nice as penny's or reynolds. penny's kickflips looked as good as that around that time too. he took it a step further with the pointed down and the shifty. reynolds learned that from penny. also he doesnt have the same pop either he just hucks at mach 10 for that triple set. like i don tthink anyone is gonna agree with you that jeremey wray style is on par with reynolds or penny. he is definitely way more gnar than both of thme i will give you that.
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Jeremy Wray is an all time favourite - but he definitely didn't have that good flick like Penny.
In fact, he was always known for his odd foot placement* and slightly weird kickflips, wasn't he? Like...foot almost in heelflip position to kick out...
*I could be wrong.
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Oh 1 more thing. I was thinking about this the other day. Tom is the only skater I can think of that's A-level at every discipline of skateboarding:
1. Flat ground
2. Manny pads
3. Ledges
4. Skateparks
5. Stairs
6. Gaps
7. Handrails
8. Mini ramps
9. Bowls
10. Vert
Maybe guy and carroll too, but it's hard to be pro level at any skateboard discipline (for lack of a better description)
Ishod ?
Now that i think about it, i don't remember any memorable manual from him
Same for vert but considering how good he is on transition, he should be fine
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Jake Illardi and Zion are both insane at everything the only thing i would say maybe i havent seen much from those 2 is Mannys
Gonz really good at everything including vert
Bob Burnquist was pretty dope on street too for a gnarly vert guy, same with Rune Glifberg and Tony Hawk
Reynolds has hit some pretty deep pool stuff like kickflip really high out of a deep pool but never relaly seen him hit the lip tricks or grind
lol actually that Jagger can skate everything too clearly as much as you hate to say it he legit can skate whatever he wants from mega ramp to switch stuff on handrails. again never seen him do a manual either
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Jeremy Wray is an all time favourite - but he definitely didn't have that good flick like Penny.
In fact, he was always known for his odd foot placement* and slightly weird kickflips, wasn't he? Like...foot almost in heelflip position to kick out...
*I could be wrong.
His opening line in second hand smoke shows he has his foot in heel flip position or that's just Ollie position on skinny board.
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Anyone else thinking FS 360 Flip meant that TP rolled frontside to the chain and tre flipped over it both switch and regular? I don’t think that poster meant a 360 kickflip but hey it is Tom Penny and I’d believe both.
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Anyone else thinking FS 360 Flip meant that TP rolled frontside to the chain and tre flipped over it both switch and regular? I don’t think that poster meant a 360 kickflip but hey it is Tom Penny and I’d believe both.
tbh a switch 360 flip would be harder than a switch fs 360 kickflip over that chain, i mean it could have been a switch fs 200 flip and then sliding out the rest of the rotation on the bank, that would still count in my book and seems believable. a regular fs 360 kickflip is much more crazy to me than a switch one though
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Anyone else thinking FS 360 Flip meant that TP rolled frontside to the chain and tre flipped over it both switch and regular? I don’t think that poster meant a 360 kickflip but hey it is Tom Penny and I’d believe both.
tbh a switch 360 flip would be harder than a switch fs 360 kickflip over that chain, i mean it could have been a switch fs 200 flip and then sliding out the rest of the rotation on the bank, that would still count in my book and seems believable. a regular fs 360 kickflip is much more crazy to me than a switch one though
im not sure id call that "easier", but i think it sounds more Tom for sure
i think the whole thing sounds pretty silly to me. what do you think is more likely. transworld with held tom penny footage on purpose to boost geoff rowley career, or it never happened and this guy is just some slap troll?
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Talked to Swift - everything Tom did that day was in Anthology. There were no other tricks. Solved. Someone likes to embellish it seems. ;)
Also, the idea that people were trying to NOT publish Tom photos is absurd - he was the golden boy and people were dying to get literally anything of him they could in the magazines. One thing I love about Slap is the ability to search someone's post history. If you do that with the poster who made these claims, you will find other questionable posts that seem like "skate lies" ... just sayin'.
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lol bet dave swift had a laugh about that
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Dave swift is a secret reptile who is at the head of the anti Tom penny conspiracy.
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I could kind of see it happening with those 90s style frontside flips. He basically rolls up 90 degrees for most the tricks so it would be more like a 270 flip.
Or possible confusion and it was nolle and fakie 270 flips
Why you'd never use the footage tho doesn't make much sense to me. Even if they were saving it for a part that never happened you'd think someone would put out the footage by now for something.
they would omit
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Dave swift is a secret reptile who is at the head of the anti Tom penny conspiracy.
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Semi-related ... there used to be a guy who lived in Vancouver who was always telling me skate lies when I'd run into him, often about things he said he had done (this guy could barely do 5050's on ledges clean, soooo ...), but the one that really sticks out was during one of the Slam City Jam contests. I saw him downtown a day or so before the contest outside Burrard skytrain station. He excitedly told me he had just seen Muska 5050 the rail going down into the station next to the escalator, which is a completely impossible rail. Something like 2 or 3 sets of 15, super steep with harsh kinks. Not even remotely doable by any of today's insane rail gods. I don't even remember how I reacted, probably an eye roll, but I couldn't believe anyone who has even the slightest understanding of skateboarding would think that claim was believable. Why do people feel motivated to say such things?!
Another one that sticks out was when a few friends and I were skating at the famous CIBC rails, and this guy (Jerry Perry - not Jarret Perry) comes up to us saying he just "switch back smitty'd" the rail a few minutes before, with no one around. We all knew he was bullshitting - he didn't even have a skateboard with him. Lol. So we offered him any of our boards to give it another go for our camera. Nope. Bunch of excuses came out and he quickly made a retreat.
I won't lie, I considered that the person with this Tom Penny fib might actually be one of those two guys, since it appears he's Canadian. Haha.
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Now lets address why Guy was in Sk8mafia's Berrics montage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7ehKeBRBI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7ehKeBRBI)
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
And Quim.
...and Dave Robinson which is about as random as it gets. I think it was in the thrasher 20th anniversary interview.
Dave is a skater from London who rode flow for a few brands here and there but never really bothered to chase sponsorship.
Incredible natural talent who would shy away from a camera a lot.
Mad that he got name checked.
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
It's a weird one for sure. No intro, nothing between the parts, video didn't really have cohesiveness to it. The weird Mark Appleyard freeze frame after his first song.
It really was just meant to be the DVD version of Sorry they were releasing...
Flip used to have this thing where they always kind of went the extra mile. Thats why Xtremely Sorry came with griptape and some plastic toy bits. That's why for anyone who has ever attended their demos, they seem to do more to make sure that kids got what that came for and some...
They'd been on a tear and had a ton of extra footage so with the above in mind, thought that re-releasing something which had already been released with 2-3 extras (as was the done thing then and for a long time after) wasn't cool. They didn't have footage of everyone on the team (Chalmers was still on. Rune, too...and I think Eric Fletcher and another am) so couldn't really make a new video...but they did have enough to make parts for some of the crew.
Apparently, it wasn't meant to be premiered and it was just DVD extra parts but lots of countries heard that there were parts and pushed for premieres, so the whole thing got blown up as a bit more than what it was meant to be.
That was told to me by Ian Deacon about 15 years ago.
Watched the video yesterday and outside of some of Arto's stuff and maybe a few tricks from Mark Appleyard, none of it really seems like left over or bonus footage, because they all look kind of different and a tad older. There's 19 months between the two videos. Just seems like they had momentum after Sorry and kept skating everyday.
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
And Quim.
...and Dave Robinson which is about as random as it gets. I think it was in the thrasher 20th anniversary interview.
Dave is a skater from London who rode flow for a few brands here and there but never really bothered to chase sponsorship.
Incredible natural talent who would shy away from a camera a lot.
Mad that he got name checked.
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
It's a weird one for sure. No intro, nothing between the parts, video didn't really have cohesiveness to it. The weird Mark Appleyard freeze frame after his first song.
It really was just meant to be the DVD version of Sorry they were releasing...
Flip used to have this thing where they always kind of went the extra mile. Thats why Xtremely Sorry came with griptape and some plastic toy bits. That's why for anyone who has ever attended their demos, they seem to do more to make sure that kids got what that came for and some...
They'd been on a tear and had a ton of extra footage so with the above in mind, thought that re-releasing something which had already been released with 2-3 extras (as was the done thing then and for a long time after) wasn't cool. They didn't have footage of everyone on the team (Chalmers was still on. Rune, too...and I think Eric Fletcher and another am) so couldn't really make a new video...but they did have enough to make parts for some of the crew.
Apparently, it wasn't meant to be premiered and it was just DVD extra parts but lots of countries heard that there were parts and pushed for premieres, so the whole thing got blown up as a bit more than what it was meant to be.
That was told to me by Ian Deacon about 15 years ago.
Watched the video yesterday and outside of some of Arto's stuff and maybe a few tricks from Mark Appleyard, none of it really seems like left over or bonus footage, because they all look kind of different and a tad older. There's 19 months between the two videos. Just seems like they had momentum after Sorry and kept skating everyday.
Also you can look at the shoes and tell it's all newer footage. Rowley is still wearing airwalks in some clips in sorry and in really sorry he is wearing his 4th or 5th vans shoe. Artos in Etnies. Penny and Appleyard have their pro shoes
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Sketchy guy who didn’t even skate who worked at this shitty shop I went to as a kid in 2001 in the San Diego area told me Steve Olson did kickflip 50-50 shove out down the Hollywood 16. I believed him because I was young and naive, and also that was such a gnarly yet random trick I thought if anybody would do it it would be him.
That guy got arrested for soliciting a minor shortly after.
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Oh 1 more thing. I was thinking about this the other day. Tom is the only skater I can think of that's A-level at every discipline of skateboarding:
1. Flat ground
2. Manny pads
3. Ledges
4. Skateparks
5. Stairs
6. Gaps
7. Handrails
8. Mini ramps
9. Bowls
10. Vert
Maybe guy and carroll too, but it's hard to be pro level at any skateboard discipline (for lack of a better description)
Ishod ?
Now that i think about it, i don't remember any memorable manual from him
Same for vert but considering how good he is on transition, he should be fine
Allot of people don't know Koston ripped on vert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrpmY0O4CI
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I remember reading an interview with Penny where he said that Guy was his all time favorite skater.
And Quim.
...and Dave Robinson which is about as random as it gets. I think it was in the thrasher 20th anniversary interview.
Dave is a skater from London who rode flow for a few brands here and there but never really bothered to chase sponsorship.
Incredible natural talent who would shy away from a camera a lot.
Mad that he got name checked.
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Rewatched Really Sorry last night for the first time in probably 10 years. I know this is a "classic video" but after the rewatch i'm kinda sitting here scratching my head as to why it is regarded as classic. Really Sorry seems like they edited all the footage together in a real lazy way. I didnt even realize that Ewan Bowman had taken over for French Fred for the second video so maybe thats the reason why it wasnt quite the same as Sorry
Really Sorry is just kind of a victory lap from Sorry! It came out on DVD paired with Sorry with little hype. Mark Appleyard was on a tear and needed an outlet for it to be shown. I enjoy it it in an entirely different way. Sorry is a meal, this is a snack
ahhhh okay okay that makes more sense. tbh i was just getting into skating when Really Sorry came out so I didnt fully comprehend what I was seeing.
It's a weird one for sure. No intro, nothing between the parts, video didn't really have cohesiveness to it. The weird Mark Appleyard freeze frame after his first song.
It really was just meant to be the DVD version of Sorry they were releasing...
Flip used to have this thing where they always kind of went the extra mile. Thats why Xtremely Sorry came with griptape and some plastic toy bits. That's why for anyone who has ever attended their demos, they seem to do more to make sure that kids got what that came for and some...
They'd been on a tear and had a ton of extra footage so with the above in mind, thought that re-releasing something which had already been released with 2-3 extras (as was the done thing then and for a long time after) wasn't cool. They didn't have footage of everyone on the team (Chalmers was still on. Rune, too...and I think Eric Fletcher and another am) so couldn't really make a new video...but they did have enough to make parts for some of the crew.
Apparently, it wasn't meant to be premiered and it was just DVD extra parts but lots of countries heard that there were parts and pushed for premieres, so the whole thing got blown up as a bit more than what it was meant to be.
That was told to me by Ian Deacon about 15 years ago.
Watched the video yesterday and outside of some of Arto's stuff and maybe a few tricks from Mark Appleyard, none of it really seems like left over or bonus footage, because they all look kind of different and a tad older. There's 19 months between the two videos. Just seems like they had momentum after Sorry and kept skating everyday.
I never said it was bonus footage.
I think there is some misunderstanding in what I was saying.
Lemme change up one line to clarify:
"They'd been on a tear and had shot a ton of extra footage post-Sorry so with the above in mind, thought that re-releasing something which had already been released with 2-3 extras (as was the done thing then and for a long time after) wasn't cool."
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I brought up the term 'bonus' myself, so I'll clarify what I meant there too. From my humble perspective as a consumer at the time, IIRC there was no big campaign announcing the filming of a sequel to Sorry or anything that ambitious. The guys definitely just kept filming - it's obvious how the Really Sorry footage is more recent. Then news of the DVD release of Sorry (since that was around the time of the switch from VHS to DVD) came out, and that it would be called Really Sorry and feature new footage. 'Whole' new video as extra content after such a short time span was generally considered mindblowing (the quality and duration were unexpected) and I guess Flip sort of realized what they were sitting on as the release approached, then they rolled with it. If it's a full-length then it's one of the classic type, the kind that just happened and not of the premeditated kind with lots of build up and anticipation as Sorry was. People knew Sorry was coming and were prepared; Really Sorry mostly surprised.
A lot of the marketing around Really Sorry was subsequent to the release of the video IIRC, I remember they had a Really Sorry board series out too (if not more), skated the PJ Ladd one that I probably even saved a piece of somewhere due to liking it that much at the time. Now I wonder if they didn't end up rinsing it a bit though? I'm getting hit by memories of maybe over a whole year where non-Really Sorry branded Flip stuff was hard to come by, and being bummed that the OG Sorry graphics had suddenly become impossible to find (being completely replaced by the Really Sorry ones).
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Remember when they put Appleyard’s back heel down the Sacto triple set in his Sorry part and then decided to throw in his nollie back heel down the set FROM THE SAME SESH as second to last trick in Really Sorry. What the fuck was that about? Misplaced that footage? Wanted to spread his footy out? Thought the trick was too heavy for Sorry (which makes no sense)? Someone please explain a proper theory cus that was super strange.
Rowley wearing Airwalks in Sorry seems like a stretch. What footage u talking about @Mean salto?
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Remember when they put Appleyard’s back heel down the Sacto triple set in his Sorry part and then decided to throw in his nollie back heel down the set FROM THE SAME SESH as second to last trick in Really Sorry. What the fuck was that about? Misplaced that footage? Wanted to spread his footy out? Thought the trick was too heavy for Sorry (which makes no sense)? Someone please explain a proper theory cus that was super strange.
Rowley wearing Airwalks in Sorry seems like a stretch. What footage u talking about @Mean salto?
It's the kink lipslide and possibly the nollie lip handrail. I don't think it's many tricks (I can only watch on my phone so can't really tell for sure) it's when he's wearing cargos before he changed his style to classic vans/jeans.
Also regarding that same sesh different videos I swear i read somewhere they were already working on really sorry before they even finished sorry. They knew they'd have too much footage for one video and didn't want to scrap the older stuff. (Making the penny kickflip 360 into the bank thing even less unlikely) so theyd have known to save the nollie back heel etc.
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Appleyard also had the nollie back heel down the macba 4 included in his sorry part. So I'd assume they wanted to evenly distribute the nollie back heels; two big nollie back heels in a part is just plain gluttony.
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I brought up the term 'bonus' myself, so I'll clarify what I meant there too. From my humble perspective as a consumer at the time, IIRC there was no big campaign announcing the filming of a sequel to Sorry or anything that ambitious. The guys definitely just kept filming - it's obvious how the Really Sorry footage is more recent. Then news of the DVD release of Sorry (since that was around the time of the switch from VHS to DVD) came out, and that it would be called Really Sorry and feature new footage. 'Whole' new video as extra content after such a short time span was generally considered mindblowing (the quality and duration were unexpected) and I guess Flip sort of realized what they were sitting on as the release approached, then they rolled with it. If it's a full-length then it's one of the classic type, the kind that just happened and not of the premeditated kind with lots of build up and anticipation as Sorry was. People knew Sorry was coming and were prepared; Really Sorry mostly surprised.
A lot of the marketing around Really Sorry was subsequent to the release of the video IIRC, I remember they had a Really Sorry board series out too (if not more), skated the PJ Ladd one that I probably even saved a piece of somewhere due to liking it that much at the time. Now I wonder if they didn't end up rinsing it a bit though? I'm getting hit by memories of maybe over a whole year where non-Really Sorry branded Flip stuff was hard to come by, and being bummed that the OG Sorry graphics had suddenly become impossible to find (being completely replaced by the Really Sorry ones).
My memory was they had print ads for Really Sorry for most of 2003. Mainly 'VHS' style screen shots of clips that ended up being in the video. Also in THUG, when you had to pick what board company you wanted to ride for after you win Tampa AM, the Flip 'sponsor' video was a trailer for Really Sorry. A lot of people would have seen that and anticipated it. I definitely agree on Sorry graphics and just product in general became pretty hard to come by after the release. I remember wanting the 'peace' graphics you'd see all through out Sorry, but it seems like they went in a completely different direction the day after Sorry. Also feel like they wanted to capitalise on the PJ craze. He was meant to have stuff in Sorry, but was unable to due to being contracted to Element still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdx9dr0BCsM
Remember when they put Appleyard’s back heel down the Sacto triple set in his Sorry part and then decided to throw in his nollie back heel down the set FROM THE SAME SESH as second to last trick in Really Sorry. What the fuck was that about? Misplaced that footage? Wanted to spread his footy out? Thought the trick was too heavy for Sorry (which makes no sense)? Someone please explain a proper theory cus that was super strange.
Rowley wearing Airwalks in Sorry seems like a stretch. What footage u talking about @Mean salto?
The Frontside Lipslide down the double set is the oldest trick that made it into the video and that was filmed back in 1997.
Appleyard also had the nollie back heel down the macba 4 included in his sorry part. So I'd assume they wanted to evenly distribute the nollie back heels; two big nollie back heels in a part is just plain gluttony.
Same with the Nollie Flip Noseslide. In Really Sorry he does one down the UC rail which looks like it was filmed the same day or within a few days of the accidental Kickflip Crooks.
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Always thought it was interesting that there was a Mariano trick thrown into Tom Penny's Really Sorry part. This was a couple years before Guy's comeback, and not very long after Penny's disappearing act ended.
Was Guy's inclusion a nod to how both these fellas were elusive style legends who everyone wanted to see more of? Never got the impression that Penny and Mariano really hung out or skated with eachother...
CAuse Guy is Penny's favorite skater as he said on a couple interview