Re: SLS judging 'how are tricks scored'

[Save the dolphin flip]

I understand some tricks are more difficult than others for example a 360 flip is harder than an ollie; more movements, more technical etc.

I know that some factors like height, form ETC. influence the judging criteria, But how are some of these Grey area subjective tricks scored really?


I feel Chris Joslin gets shafted a whole bunch at SLS 

[FLstrange]

they need to start testing for steroids and checking inside peoples hats for god, no one should be allowed to have an unfair advantage.

[honey island]

i watched the girls one in london, and the judging was all over the place, it literally made no sense.

[TwisT]

I thought Vincent Milou was robbed at the one at vans park. Not robbed out of a victory but his scores seemed too low. I chalk it up to the subjectivity of skateboarding. There's a rotating list of dudes judging and maybe Tiago scores higher when Stevie is on the bench than Jesus Fernadez... just for example.

[CHONGO]

who ever butt chugs the most monsters or red bulls wins.

[Tally810]

Dave bachinsky did a fucked trick on tranny and got like a 5.  If you aren't hitting the big rails or the big gaps for crowd pleasers you getting low scores

[jakeumms]

i watched the girls one in london, and the judging was all over the place, it literally made no sense.

I actually rewatched that first run by Jenn Soto that made her score super high because I did not understand how, relative to all of the runs, that one scored so well. Still doesn't make sense now but I guess that's just contests.

[childhood]

[ChuckRamone]

the judging for this kind of event is bound to be extremely subjective and eventually corrupt at the highest levels like the olympics where global politics and drugs and bribery will come into play. host nations always win more medals than they do as visitors. but that’s the kinda thing that happens when you invite snakes into your home. skateboarding deserves this shit.

[Chatbot]

The last one at the Vans park had some weird judging too. Shecklers tricks all were low balled. Chris Cole was announcing the online stream and didn't agree with some of the scoring for certain tricks either

[emchen]

I think it would be cool if they tried gathering quantifiable measures to use for judging. Like, speed, how high the trick was popped off the ground, how far the person flew/slid/grinded, etc.

Basically, SLS should just be a big air contest

[Sleazy]

it's a subjective curve

first guys run or trick sets the relative bar for the rest of the contest

trick and skater bias and judge fatigue obviously all factor in

[SneakySecrets]

they want a wobbly-ass trap rhythm that they can feel

You’re god damned right they do. 

[L33Tg33k]

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I think it would be cool if they tried gathering quantifiable measures to use for judging. Like, speed, how high the trick was popped off the ground, how far the person flew/slid/grinded, etc.

Basically, SLS should just be a big air contest

[close]

That's the problem - it's how gymnastics and ice skating got so fucked up. Defining a "perfect execution", then comparing against it. They don't got that Muska flip vs Reynolds in ice skating or gymnastics. Skateboarding would be worse off if people had to submit the list of tricks they were going to do in a run before they did them.

Skateboarding is way more like music. You might perfectly execute some song in jazz guitar style, but nobody gives a fuck because they want a wobbly-ass trap rhythm that they can feel. Is one of them wrong? Nope, but one might stream eleventy-million streams while the other one streams 7 times.

Come to think of it, it's a lot like vert vs. street. Take Andy Mac for example. 100 perfect 4.5 feet backside airs in a row? Great! Who cares?

Your point stands, but your use of ice skating as a counter example to skateboarding doesn't really work because it is notoriously subjective. So much so that as skaters became more and more athletic judges would penalize skaters who went for difficulty points with amazing maneuvers by underscoring them and rewarding those with more classical style. I don't know if that's true any more, but according to some podcast I heard that used to be the case any way.

[Vintagebody]

Why would it make it a shit show?

I think it would be pretty cool if they have it like a snowboard slopestyle & big air contest.
Maybe have a standardized scoring system for each trick, based on difficulty ofcourse.
Then add points for style, how clean its landed etc.

Watching SLS is rather boring if you ask me, except for watching the newer guys who actually skate with some creativity, and not just do the same line over and over with... maybe a tiny switch up here and there.

[ArtVandelay]

Yeah I watched that Huntington Beach SLS and Mark Soochoo does a fakie switch front feeble down the biggest rail and it was so perfect and tweaked. He got an 8 or something. Next dude up does a totally flopped fs heel down the stairs, barely made it landing all over the place and he got a higher score.

[sharkin]

isn't fakie switch just regular?

mark probably got a penalty for trying to double quantify his trick

[finecojeffe]

probably going to start adding "required elements" to runs too.

[GAY]

I'm often kept up nights worrying about the way scoring will go on Street League.

[MKULTRA]

The scoring makes no sense. I watched the run section from the LA one. Ninejah got a 9.1 for his first run, yet the dude did one flip trick on a little jump ramp. Meanwhile other dudes are doing multiple flip in tricks on rails and ledges, and they get much lower scores. Literally shut it off after first round.

[ArtVandelay]

isn't fakie switch just regular?

mark probably got a penalty for trying to double quantify his trick

Haha, what I meant was he got popped into the trick fakie. fakie ollie, land in switch feeble.

[Dorknerd]

Malto crooks got extra points back when it did because the arm spread shows the logo on the t shirt good

[ChrisLambe94]

Today was the first time I watched the contest in its entirety and Mark Suciu should have won so I have no idea how it works , never heard of a Grapefruit grind" before either. I do like Yuto as well. 

[ScudMantels]

I just hope they figuer out this scoring situation before the olympics roll in because shit is gonna be serious for the first ever gold in skateboarding. I dont trust Kelly Hart in the judges booth, i think if they doubled up on the amount of judges they can get more of a precise scoring.
The shit that pisses me off is when they throw out scores like the 9.9 for example Nyjahs 270 back noseblunt. There has to be some sort of no limit in scoring because the way they have it is that even if you kickfliped into that the score would be the exact same. If the 9.9 is a perfect score then it should not be acheivable because in skateboarding there is no limit.

[pizzafliptofakie]

For how much you guys dunk on Street League, you sure are heavily invested in how it works.