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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #90 on: December 08, 2023, 09:26:46 AM »
To add, pretend as if you’re trying to kickflip into a bs-5050, but just on flatground. Helps a ton.

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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2024, 08:13:16 AM »
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Don't give up Frenchy.

I thought I lost all my flip tricks in my late 20s but started re-learning them again in my  mid 30s to 40s. Lonely flat ground pandemic sessions really helped. I can do more flips now than I've been able to do since my late teens (they look slow, clumsy and terrible but its the personal challenge I dig)  Landed my first Fakie tre at age 46. Working on switch tres right now.
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I worked on it this summer relentlessly .. I must have succeeded in about fifteen ahah Thank you for the advice, it gives hope! In fact, I only skate flatground now, it's my goal to progress in this area and to see that you can do it over 35, that motivates !

I'm 48 and I've been trying to kickflip for 2 years with little success...so I'm inspired by y'all older cats who are landing your flip tricks. Any thoughts on the following?
*I can only extend my leg so far these days. Lately I've been trying actual slow karate kicks (side kicks) to try to get my leg higher. Anybody tried this?
*I can only jump so high these days. Lots of times if I get a good flick the board ends up higher than my feet. Anybody else struggled with/fixed this?
*If you ride loose trucks, Mike Mo's foot placement (both feet kinda on one side of the board) seems wild. Anybody doing it the other way? (Back foot toeside, front foot centered to a bit heel side)
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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2024, 06:01:13 PM »
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Don't give up Frenchy.

I thought I lost all my flip tricks in my late 20s but started re-learning them again in my  mid 30s to 40s. Lonely flat ground pandemic sessions really helped. I can do more flips now than I've been able to do since my late teens (they look slow, clumsy and terrible but its the personal challenge I dig)  Landed my first Fakie tre at age 46. Working on switch tres right now.
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I worked on it this summer relentlessly .. I must have succeeded in about fifteen ahah Thank you for the advice, it gives hope! In fact, I only skate flatground now, it's my goal to progress in this area and to see that you can do it over 35, that motivates !
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I'm 48 and I've been trying to kickflip for 2 years with little success...so I'm inspired by y'all older cats who are landing your flip tricks. Any thoughts on the following?
*I can only extend my leg so far these days. Lately I've been trying actual slow karate kicks (side kicks) to try to get my leg higher. Anybody tried this?
*I can only jump so high these days. Lots of times if I get a good flick the board ends up higher than my feet. Anybody else struggled with/fixed this?
*If you ride loose trucks, Mike Mo's foot placement (both feet kinda on one side of the board) seems wild. Anybody doing it the other way? (Back foot toeside, front foot centered to a bit heel side)
Thanks pals

You don't need a high ollie to do a kickflip, as long as you got a decent ollie (or even a shit one like me) you can kickflip. The magic really comes from the flick of the ankle and timing of the flick. For the ankle flick it helps to get resistance bands and watch Dr Kyle Brown on Insta - his ankle rehab videos use the bands for recovery and get the desired flick motion down. For the timing of the flick that takes time and lots of repetition.

If your board is going higher than your leg you're probably dragging up too much instead of forward and towards the nose. Also the outsole of your shoe is catching a lot of griptape resulting in a lot more height than you need, again drag up slightly but more forward and flicking straight off the nose.

Truck tightness is something you can adapt your kickflip to, as long as you're rolling straight and getting a solid pop you will be fine. The problem I find with loose trucks is the deck popping off center resulting in ghost pop or an off-angle pop that sends the board upwards at an angle, this throws off my drag, catch and roll away if I'm lucky enough to stay on top of my board.


His actual skateboarding is hard to watch but the 3D diagrams are good at illustrating the physics of it. He's right about keeping the kickflip compact (board and foot right under you), the best kickflips I've ever done were when I consciously told myself to control my drag instead of shooting my entire foot out like Neen does with his heelflips.


At 2:45 you can see how little he flicks his toe, just the edge of your shoe should catch to initiate the flick.


See 3:19 for how the flick works and is the most important part of the trick, not a karate kick. At 4:19 it can look like he's kicking out hard, but it's really the ankle doing the heavy lifting

Last couple of pointers:
- Keep the head, shoulders and hips aligned with the centerline of your board, i.e. imagine there is a line running from nose to tail. This help you get the straight drag and solid downward pop. Really pay attention to the hip over your dragging / flicking foot, a slight angle is natural but you want to be as aligned to the centerline of your board so you get the initial ollie part of the kickflip before the actual flick off.
- Don't hunch your shoulders or dip your head too much, a little is fine but too much and you'll end up ahead of your board
- Flexibility and mobility is good to have for all tricks and sports, keep working on that.

Just like I'm working on getting a solid ollie 20 years after starting, focus on getting the board low and leveled first before flicking off. In the past I've always gone with a huge pop thinking I needed lots of height to give the board space to flip, but as you can see in the Tactics tutorial you don't need a super high ollie, the actual flip comes from hitting the flick at the right spot at the right time.
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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2024, 06:26:18 PM »
Youdaman. Time to go practice!

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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2024, 09:17:00 PM »
Youdaman. Time to go practice!

More proof you don't need to pop high to kickflip, not the best looking but you'll be rolling away.

I don't agree with popping the tail backwards, maybe when doing them stationary but not when rolling, which are easier to do anyway.
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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2024, 03:21:32 PM »
I dont think i will ever manage to flick up, and not down. I dont think ive got that kind of coordination, but i never really spent months on kickflips before, so this is the year i get them or give up. My problem really with kickflips is that its genuinely tiring to practice and i always stomp them, which fucks my legs up over time.

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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #96 on: March 04, 2024, 05:02:16 AM »
I dont think i will ever manage to flick up, and not down. I dont think ive got that kind of coordination, but i never really spent months on kickflips before, so this is the year i get them or give up. My problem really with kickflips is that its genuinely tiring to practice and i always stomp them, which fucks my legs up over time.

Downwards mob flip happens when too focused on what you think your foot is supposed to do (push down). For flicked kickflips you want to ollie and then kind of throw your knee, it's your whole leg (but not weight) that goes into it and through the nose while pointing the toes. If that doesn't form a kickflip then it's your upper body orientation and/or pop (usually from back foot positioning) that's wrong.
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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2024, 08:47:29 AM »
Does anyone find that jumping forward into the direction you are going helps a lot.
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Re: Kickflip Fundamentals: correct your mobbed, ninja or rocket flips here
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2024, 11:38:07 AM »
Does anyone find that jumping forward into the direction you are going helps a lot.

Partially. Replying to this because I found out that leaning over my front foot (flattened, not on toes) yet still having parallel shoulders to the board unlocked "proper" high, level kickflips.

Clearly I was leaning too far back to begin with, but yeah, my "hack" is putting more weight on my front foot and NOT being on my toes for my front foot.

Some other "hacks" that work are really crouching down more than you think and sucking up your back foot more than you think. That, on top of staying square with the board and staying on top of it.