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Re: BONDS
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2007, 06:40:27 AM »
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I also hate the arguement that  "all players" are on it so it's ok. !
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That would be a pretty stupid argument, especially since nobody is arguing that.

The accepted figures are more along the lines of 60-70% of players in the bigs juicing up at the height of steroids. Nobody worth a damn is saying everyone was on roids, but it's pretty much accepted that well over the majority of professional baseball players were at some time or another using steroids during their peak in popularity.

The only reason Barry is getting such a hard time is because he's the one closest to breaking the home run record. For some reason everyone has decided that's the ultimate record in sports. When you actually think about it, Pete Rose's all time hits record is more impressive, so is Cal Ripkens consecutive games record, as well as Cy Young's all time wins record, and Joe Demmagio's hitting streak. Barry is just an asshole. He's also an asshole that at some point in his career most likely used steroids. This makes him not all that different from the majority of guys playing baseball today. The only thing separating Barry from the rest of the cheaters, is that so far, he's been the most successful cheater. That's not really a good reason to hate him more than anyone else. It's been proven that the type of steroids Bonds allegedly took greatly impare ones vision. This means that after prolonged usage Bonds would have great difficulty in seeing the baseball being pitched to him. As anyone who knows even the slightest thing about baseball knows that to hit a home run you have to first locate the pitch. So if Bonds was so pumped out on roids why does he still to this day have one of the best eyes in baseball? Dude also takes more drug tests each week than anyone else in the world. It's been years now and they haven't found a thing. Surely this would have impacted his game substantially, but it hasn't.

I'm not a big Bonds supporter, I just find it amusing that so many people have such strong opinions on this subject with hardly any other information than what they hear on ESPN. I also feel pretty confident in saying that most people who have an opinion on Bonds and why he's a cheater don't know shit about baseball anyways.

To all the people who are for putting an asterisk next to Bonds' name in the record books, how can you advocate that, and then feel confident in saying that all other records recorded during the roid era are fine and dandy, and don't deserve an asterisk next to them?

Mickey Mantle was a drunk, I guess he should get a D next to his name in the books.
Johnny Bench was an asshole, a latent homosexual, and a woman beater. I guess he should be written out completely.
Ty Cobbs was as big a racist as they come, what goes next to his name?

Baseball players for the most part are not great people. Stand-up guys like Ken Griffey Jr. and Tony Gwinn are few and far between. Characters like Ricky Henderson and Yogi Berra are even rarer. Instead, the average players are guys like Bonds. People that in the age of pharmaceuticals have been doing everything they can to get an edge.

If you want the cheating to stop, stop going to the ballpark and write a letter to Bud Selig saying you want this shit to be dealt with. If you want asterisks or special markings next to names in the record books, you're better off just writing out all records set in the last 15 years.
lots of people argue the fact  that everybody's doing it cause it's said that pitchers are doing it too. Bonds' attitude is doing it to himself and that's why no one's getting hyped on this. All those things you mentioned about those other players don't help that player play better.

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2007, 08:27:55 AM »
lots of people argue the fact  that everybody's doing it cause it's said that pitchers are doing it too. Bonds' attitude is doing it to himself and that's why no one's getting hyped on this. All those things you mentioned about those other players don't help that player play better.

No Henry, nobody credible is arguing that everybody is doing it. You can say that as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true. Like I said before, the accepted figure is between 60-70% of MLB players juicing up at the height of the steroid era. Whether they were using them intentionally or not is a whole other story, but BALCO was handing out roids left and right to a lot of players, and the majority of the bigs were juicing up. So calling Bonds a cheater is redundant, when the majority of players were also cheaters.

I brought up Cobbs and Bench and Mantle, because it seems like most of the hate directed against Bonds comes from the fact that he's just an asshole. If you look at the history of baseball, again the majority of players have been schmucks in some way or another.

Bonds is just being singled out as the scapegoat for everything wrong with baseball, and that's understandable to an extent, because it's human nature to focus all your anger onto one single individual for everyone to hate together. At the same time, it's also silly. Booing Bonds, or protesting his accomplishments, does nothing at all to address the issue at hand. There are far too many others who allowed this to go on for so long. Why should they remain unchecked.

I'd rather see crowds boo Bud Selig every time he was in the stands or on the field, it would have more of an impact.

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2007, 08:35:39 AM »
I'd rather see crowds boo Bud Selig every time he was in the stands or on the field, it would have more of an impact.
he cheated and he's about to break a record set by a great naturally talented player. i don't care if everyone else in baseball used roids, thats not the point. it's known that bonds did and i'm sure it was a conscious decision on his part to do so. once again, fuck him. he will get the reception he deserves

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2007, 10:42:29 AM »
since bonds is here in LA now radio personalities and sports writers are saying that when barry goes up to bat to stand up and turn their backs and not make a sound if he ties/breaks the record while he's here

that would be amazing if the whole stadium would do that

personally, i think it's wrong that he even gets to be in this positions through allegedly taking steroids (i think he did, back in the pirate days he was small compared to bonilla and few years later he's way bigger than him and bonilla was big, that just doesn't happen naturally)

it just goes to show how selfish he is, it's all about him... a real shame that baseball and one of it's paramount records is tainted by bonds


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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2007, 11:06:44 AM »
since bonds is here in LA now radio personalities and sports writers are saying that when barry goes up to bat to stand up and turn their backs and not make a sound if he ties/breaks the record while he's here

that would be amazing if the whole stadium would do that


It would be even more amazing if nobody showed up...but that will never happen, because as much as people "hate" Bonds, they're going out to see him in record numbers. The four game series the Giants played last week in Chicago was the highest attended four game series in the 91 year history of Wrigley Field. Please explain why Chicagoans cared so much about the Cubs playing a last place team? The next series the Giants played was in Milwaukee and it was the highest attended three game series for them this whole season. The Brewers are in first place, why did so many people show up to see a last place team, with the hated Barry Bonds of all people on that last place team?

The people keep coming because they want to see him play. The thing with professional sports, is that people want to see this kinda shit go down. they just don't want to know about what goes down behind the scenes. Why not the same outrage over steroids in football? It's always been much more prevalent in that sport, and it's now gotten to the point where college and high school players have to juice up if they want to make it to the pros, and we now have kids dying from roid abuse. This seems like a much bigger issue than a juiced up Bonds breaking the home run record, but nobody wants to talk about it, and instead people are going out to see football games in record numbers, similar to the way they're going out to watch Barry...




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Re: BONDS
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2007, 02:52:35 PM »
Baroid did it to himself. No one forced him into wanting to cheat in order to break the record. No one's feeling it and he's an arrogant cheater who will only have a handfull of players behind him. How a mans head gets  physically  bigger is beyond me if it's not steroids. A lot of people don't like him and I'm sure they'll be out there to make sure we'll have some evidence on him. He doesn't deserve to break this in SF. Break it on the road so he can see what America really thinks of him. I also hate the arguement that  "all players" are on it so it's ok. Babe and Hank are still the greatest!

No shit... He also tries to turn it into a racial issue too... as if some fuckin Chris Benoit lookin white dude, who used to be 50 pounds lighter and a few batting helmet sizes smaller, were about to break the record everyone would be cool with it. 

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2007, 03:20:51 PM »
i wish he was going to break it in chicago or philly. that would be funny.

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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2007, 04:20:21 PM »
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I'd rather see crowds boo Bud Selig every time he was in the stands or on the field, it would have more of an impact.
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he cheated and he's about to break a record set by a great naturally talented player. i don't care if everyone else in baseball used roids, thats not the point. it's known that bonds did and i'm sure it was a conscious decision on his part to do so. once again, fuck him. he will get the reception he deserves

You're putting a lot on it. To me, and a lot of others it's simple... We will not celebrate a lying cheater who tried to play the race card to erase his own guilt. The guy is pathetic and couldn't even show an ounce of respect to Babe when he passed him. I've played baseball and there's a lot of weird unwritten rules to the game and Bonds is anti everything it stands for. One of the most important things is that he's not a team player but really tries to come off as one. The dude deserves to be in the Hall of fame. He deserves to be regarded as one of the games best, but he does not deserve to be in the record books under these circumstances. It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2007, 07:02:56 PM »
It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
true, and i think hank aarons will also be remembered because of how well he dealt with all the stuff that was going on when he was getting close to the record.

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« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2007, 07:39:19 PM »
It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!

I understand this dude, but how can you say that, and then sit back and honestly feel comfortable about any other record set during the roid era?

Like you said yourself, he's one of the games best. How much did steroids really improve his game? During the strike in 94, well before steroids were even a question for Bonds, he knocked in 34 homeruns by the time they stopped the season and was on pace to hit well over 50 for the year. He wasn't even a home run hitter then. You look at a guy like Bonds, and yea he probably cheated like the majority of baseball did at that time, but how much of a factor was it in getting him to where he is today?

I say this, because even without steroids there has been an element of cheating in baseball as far back as the game goes. Take Hank Greenberg for example. When he got to 58 home runs in a season, pitchers started walking him every at bat because they didn't want a Jew to break the Babe's single season home run record. This is not the lone incident of this kind of cheating going on in baseball. Drugs are just the newest way for players to get over.

As much as people want to believe that baseball is the most holy of sports, it isn't. It has a terrible history of this shit. What I don't get is why everyone continues to proclaim the home run record the most hallowed achievement in sport. There are plenty of other records, that no matter how much people cheat, will never be broken, and that's why they are more significant. Eventually someone will come along and shatter Bonds' home run record without cheating, so what's the point? So a guy breaks a record during an era marred with records broken through cheating, big deal.

It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.

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Re: BONDS
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2007, 08:00:45 PM »
Mr. Henry Aaron is the best!!! the way he's dealing with this is almost more amazing than his record.

fuck barry bonds

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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2007, 11:34:54 PM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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You look at a guy like Bonds, and yea he probably cheated like the majority of baseball did at that time, but how much of a factor was it in getting him to where he is today?

I say this, because even without steroids there has been an element of cheating in baseball as far back as the game goes.  This is not the lone incident of this kind of cheating going on in baseball. Drugs are just the newest way for players to get over.



Read my quote a few posts up about what you're saying now.

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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2007, 11:38:19 PM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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I understand this dude, but how can you say that, and then sit back and honestly feel comfortable about any other record set during the roid era?

Like you said yourself, he's one of the games best. How much did steroids really improve his game? During the strike in 94, well before steroids were even a question for Bonds, he knocked in 34 homeruns by the time they stopped the season and was on pace to hit well over 50 for the year. He wasn't even a home run hitter then. You look at a guy like Bonds, and yea he probably cheated like the majority of baseball did at that time, but how much of a factor was it in getting him to where he is today?

I say this, because even without steroids there has been an element of cheating in baseball as far back as the game goes. Take Hank Greenberg for example. When he got to 58 home runs in a season, pitchers started walking him every at bat because they didn't want a Jew to break the Babe's single season home run record. This is not the lone incident of this kind of cheating going on in baseball. Drugs are just the newest way for players to get over.

As much as people want to believe that baseball is the most holy of sports, it isn't. It has a terrible history of this shit. What I don't get is why everyone continues to proclaim the home run record the most hallowed achievement in sport. There are plenty of other records, that no matter how much people cheat, will never be broken, and that's why they are more significant. Eventually someone will come along and shatter Bonds' home run record without cheating, so what's the point? So a guy breaks a record during an era marred with records broken through cheating, big deal.

It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.



What records are you talking about?

Homeruns in a single season by the same cheater. Cal Ripken's record? Not sure if that can viewed as a cheat, and he's always been a stand up guy. I've not ONCE even heard a rumor about Ripken being a cheater. Ichiro with the most hits in a season??? Tell me he's on roids!  ;D

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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2007, 12:26:16 AM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.

I've wondered about this too. I don't really follow baseball but don't people say that because Aarons was up to bat a lot more or something? Played longer maybe? Either way, you're right.

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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2007, 09:12:41 AM »
fuck barry bonds and fuck anybody who supports him, he and the rest of you are pieces of shit

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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2007, 04:16:07 PM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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I understand this dude, but how can you say that, and then sit back and honestly feel comfortable about any other record set during the roid era?

Like you said yourself, he's one of the games best. How much did steroids really improve his game? During the strike in 94, well before steroids were even a question for Bonds, he knocked in 34 homeruns by the time they stopped the season and was on pace to hit well over 50 for the year. He wasn't even a home run hitter then. You look at a guy like Bonds, and yea he probably cheated like the majority of baseball did at that time, but how much of a factor was it in getting him to where he is today?

I say this, because even without steroids there has been an element of cheating in baseball as far back as the game goes. Take Hank Greenberg for example. When he got to 58 home runs in a season, pitchers started walking him every at bat because they didn't want a Jew to break the Babe's single season home run record. This is not the lone incident of this kind of cheating going on in baseball. Drugs are just the newest way for players to get over.

As much as people want to believe that baseball is the most holy of sports, it isn't. It has a terrible history of this shit. What I don't get is why everyone continues to proclaim the home run record the most hallowed achievement in sport. There are plenty of other records, that no matter how much people cheat, will never be broken, and that's why they are more significant. Eventually someone will come along and shatter Bonds' home run record without cheating, so what's the point? So a guy breaks a record during an era marred with records broken through cheating, big deal.

It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.


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What records are you talking about?

Homeruns in a single season by the same cheater. Cal Ripken's record? Not sure if that can viewed as a cheat, and he's always been a stand up guy. I've not ONCE even heard a rumor about Ripken being a cheater. Ichiro with the most hits in a season??? Tell me he's on roids!  ;D
sanch ichiro is great probably one of the best. no doubt hes all natural(no homo). hell probably get 3000 hits in a couple years. dude is a  hit machine.
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2007, 08:32:15 PM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.
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I've wondered about this too. I don't really follow baseball but don't people say that because Aarons was up to bat a lot more or something? Played longer maybe? Either way, you're right.

Could be, who knows? My opinion is that the Babe seems like a myth or just an unreal guy. He'd drink all night long with no sleep and go to the game drunk, pitch a complete game while knocking a homer.  Never worked out or anything. Dude was a straight up gamer. Hank on the other hand played until he was washed up and wasn't the same Aaron in his later years. So  that's gotta be on people's minds when they think that. Here are some more things to consider...

Pitchers weren't nearly as good back in Babe's day. Bats weren't nearly as good either and weighed a lot more. Not sure of the park size but they looked tiny in the Babe's day. Anyone know about that? Also wondering about the balls? I'm sure they were alot different back then. When you look at Babe's swing it's hard to picture that that's a great swing. Aaron  on the other hand had a sweet swing, faced better pitchers, endured racism,  and was capable of playing defense, which I can imagine the Babe wasn't great at. To be honest, I don't know all the facts but it's hard for me to say that Aaron isn't the homerun king. Sounds like a bunch of old white rascists sticking up for their kind. If there's a particular sport that you can say is the most rascist than I'd say it's baseball.


Not sure if this is true but I "think" the Babe said something rascist to Sachel Page. Sachel then said he could strike out the king in 3 pitches. With the Babes crown on, smoking a cigar, and in front of hundreds of fans Sachel sat his fat ass down in 3!!!!!!
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2007, 01:08:49 AM »
If there's a particular sport that you can say is the most rascist than I'd say it's baseball.

Basically.

It's not really that the pitchers weren't as good, they were actually really good, and there were far fewer of them because there were only 16 teams in baseball. The fields were weird. Some were shorter, some were a lot longer. For instance, the park Hank Greenberg hit in (and I can't remember it off the top of my dome) was ridiculously deep for even todays standards. So even though he got to 58 home runs in a single season before pitchers stopped throwing to him, my pops always said 70 was the magic number, because that's about what Greenberg would have had if his ballpark was regulation. And that was the number McGwire broke it with.

I never once questioned Ripkens' record. I'm saying if you're gonna question Bonds' record because he may have used steroids, then you have to take into account every record set during that era because the majority of baseball was on roids. There have been questions as to whether or not Roger Clemens used roids, but most people shut that down right away saying "Roger is such a good guy, he would never do that." This ties into Barry, with him being an asshole, if he had been a lovable character every fan of baseball would ride for him until it was proven that he did in fact cheat. And that's sad.

To me, the thing with Barry is I feel pretty confident in saying he most likely cheated knowingly. This is ok with me because he represents everything I hate about baseball. The pompous attitude, the cheating to get ahead, the "bigger than the game mentality," it's all there for everyone to see. At the same time, he's also the embodiment of everything that was allowed during the steroid era. It's not as if Barry Bonds was a lone villain who somehow found a way to surpass league regulations and cheat his way to super-stardom. No. Bonds did what the majority of ball players were doing at the time, which was juicing up.

When Sammy Sosa was caught with a corked bat, MLB officials gave the Cubs one hour to get rid of every corked bat in the clubhouse before they came in for their inspection. Over a hundred bats were disposed of, the majority of which came from players other than Sosa. This is yet just another example of what really goes down today.

Why is it that at the height of the steroid era there were no regulations on juicing up? Why did the players association do everything they could to keep regular testing from being mandatory in baseball? Why did ownership turn a blind eye to what was going on in their own clubhouse? Why does Bud Selig act so shocked to the current situation and try to distant himself as much as possible from the whole ordeal?

Barry Bonds breaking the record is a good thing for baseball. It shows the world how fucked up baseball has become. This is something that was allowed to happen for years and years and years. I welcome it fully. Break the record of a guy that set that record the right way. Good. Shine some light on what was going on. Unfortunately, baseball is so fucked that only Barry will be hung out to dry for this. None of the people who allowed this to happen will be taken into account. Nobody but Bonds will bare the brunt of the steroid era.

Again, this goes back to the fans, and the main reason why this happened in the first place, and will continue to happen forever.

Why did everyone in Dodger Stadium last night have a camera on hand every time Barry stepped to the plate? Why did fans boo the pitcher for intentionally walking Bonds in his second at bat? Why did so many Dodger fans show up early to the game and stay late (if you know about baseball or dodgers fans you know what im talking about if not fuck you go read some gay shit in skate talk)? It's because people want to see this shit. As much as everyone wants to hate Bonds, and thinks he's cheated his way to a record, they still consistently turn out in record numbers in every city he plays in. Again, this is the main reason the cheating was allowed to go on for as long as it did. The majority of Bonds' haters either A) Don't know shit about baseball and only talk about it because it's in the news( see the majority of this thread besides Henry) or B) Hate him because he's about to break their most holy of records and did so the wrong way. Whether or not the latter choice can accept the fact that this was allowed to happen under their noses is another thing. But I still find it hilarious that so many people that hate Bonds still go out of their way to watch him play baseball.


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Re: BONDS
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2007, 11:30:18 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2007, 11:38:26 PM »
steroids or not, you still have to hit the damn ball.

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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2007, 12:20:39 AM »
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It's not just his attitude, it's because he's about to beat a record that was achieved THE REAL WAY!
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It's also funny how everyone is standing behind Hank as the legitimate home run king, when all the polls show that the majority of fans still consider the Babe to be the all time home run king. Hank goes out and shatters the record legitimately, and to this day he still isn't given the respect he's due. Bonds will break the record, and even though Hank still has more runs fans will still hail Babe as the king. Nothing changes.
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I've wondered about this too. I don't really follow baseball but don't people say that because Aarons was up to bat a lot more or something? Played longer maybe? Either way, you're right.
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Could be, who knows? My opinion is that the Babe seems like a myth or just an unreal guy. He'd drink all night long with no sleep and go to the game drunk, pitch a complete game while knocking a homer.  Never worked out or anything. Dude was a straight up gamer. Hank on the other hand played until he was washed up and wasn't the same Aaron in his later years. So  that's gotta be on people's minds when they think that. Here are some more things to consider...

Pitchers weren't nearly as good back in Babe's day. Bats weren't nearly as good either and weighed a lot more. Not sure of the park size but they looked tiny in the Babe's day. Anyone know about that? Also wondering about the balls? I'm sure they were alot different back then. When you look at Babe's swing it's hard to picture that that's a great swing. Aaron  on the other hand had a sweet swing, faced better pitchers, endured racism,  and was capable of playing defense, which I can imagine the Babe wasn't great at. To be honest, I don't know all the facts but it's hard for me to say that Aaron isn't the homerun king. Sounds like a bunch of old white rascists sticking up for their kind. If there's a particular sport that you can say is the most rascist than I'd say it's baseball.


Not sure if this is true but I "think" the Babe said something rascist to Sachel Page. Sachel then said he could strike out the king in 3 pitches. With the Babes crown on, smoking a cigar, and in front of hundreds of fans Sachel sat his fat ass down in 3!!!!!!

the babe played LONG after his prime. he even went back down to triple A i believe. as for the balls they didn't go nearly as far in the babe's day, that's why they call it the dead ball era. and there were some kick ass pitchers back then, including babe ruth (dude had i think close to 90 wins in his one year as a red sox pitcher) it also used to be a differant rule regarding home runs near the foul line. if the ump couldn't tell if it was fair or foul it went to where the ball stopped, some people claimed this would've given ruth another 50 or so homeruns. another thing people seem to forget is that babe ruth pitched 13 scoreless innings in a world series game, a record that's still unbroken.

as for barry bonds- fuck him. he'll have the record for a couple of more years before a-rod takes it. did anyone see bud selig after the tying home run? no applause from that guy. also did anyone notice that barry bonds isn't in mlb 06 or 07 the show, i forget the name but they just made up some dude instead.