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Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« on: October 24, 2010, 10:18:48 PM »
This guy really outdoes himself

 http://rosswolfe.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-music-review-of-converge?s-2001-album-jane-doe/
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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 10:04:41 AM »
what a kook. he over analyzed an album that he doesn't even like to get cred from fellow internet nerds.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 11:13:05 AM »
It's a real piece of work.

"Bannon is himself a sort of John Doe. In the final analysis, he is a stand-in, a catchall, a placeholder. His individual persona is elevated into the hypostasis[1] of a social type...

[1] In the double sense of hypostasis as both a reification of an abstract concept and the embodiment of one of the three hypostases or personalities of God."

He could just be the most epic troll, ever.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 11:16:01 AM »
for da troops:

Converge?s 2001 record Jane Doe is, more than anything else, a symptom. A symptom, of course, is a surface phenomenon that points to its derivation out of something deeper ? something that lies at its root, concealed from view. It is the manifestation of that which remains latent. As such, it is the expression of another thing, distinct from itself, of which it is an unwitting reflex, purely epiphenomenal.

But in its very superficiality, Jane Doe simulates profundity. The illusion that results is, in fact, so perfect as to disguise its origin even from itself, lost in the night of its own paramnesia. Jacob Bannon might be the one singing on the record, but make no mistake: the words are not his own. In truth, they are words written by no one. Words that are the product of a thoroughly impersonal dynamic, generated by a mindless web of relations that inscribes itself into the consciousness of a human vessel ? a human vessel which for it is nothing more than a mouthpiece, a means for expression.

In other words, Bannon is the puppet of forces beyond his comprehension. He dances to a tune that was not of his own making. Nor was this tune the making of any other member of Converge. His frenetic flailing during their songs is the enactment of a total powerlessness, the involuntary spasm of a marionette.

Very well, a symptom ? but if so, a symptom of what?

Put simply, Jane Doe is a symptom of the fetishization of the personal itself, or to be more precise, of the unmistakable personalism that characterizes so much of the art and music of the last few decades. That is to say, it emerges out of the general cult of the ?personal? that has arisen in recent years. Converge?s most celebrated project thrives on the same elements that all personalist art and music does: self-referentiality, a heavy reliance on personal symbolism, the exact meaning of which is available to no one outside of the author ? indeed, an entire mythology belonging only to a single individual, the likes of which William Blake could have only dreamed.

To be sure, Jane Doe?s most obscure symbolism is that which attempts to transfigure the mythologies that were once common property to all, ?imbuing? them with personal meaning. The two-part sequence of ?Phoenix in Flight? and ?Phoenix in Flames? invokes that old Coptic legend about the mythic creature that is reborn out of the very flames that consume it. Certainly, the symbol has been used often enough by lyric poets through the ages. But Bannon adds a twist. ?Set your phoenix to flight,? he commands. ?Your? phoenix? What could this possibly mean? Surely its meaning is privy only to the author himself, or perhaps also to the ?person? to whom the phoenix belonged. This must allude to some private experience Bannon had that carried such personal significance as to ?move? him to reference it in a song released to the public.

This is hardly an isolated instance in the album. In a song called, appropriately enough, ?Distance and Meaning,? the following lyrics appear: ?Like the years we burned down/I heard that phone call/The hesitation, the awkward silence/I felt everything in those seconds.? Bannon makes no attempt to elucidate the contents of this conversation, either by lyrical hints or other poetic devices. It recalls a phone conversation between two people, wrapped in all the vagueness that comes with a memory exalted by an author as particularly significant. Again, however, the meaning is Bannon?s sole property; he presents it to his audience as an empty cipher.

Herein lies the key to the personalism underpinning every moment of Converge?s Jane Doe. By signifying nothing, its authors seem to signify everything. Bannon presents concrete symbols torn from their context. Lyrics describing particular events are removed from the personal experiences for which they possess significance and displayed as raw artifacts, unsullied by explanation. The irreducibly personal quality this produces far from alienates its listeners, however. On the contrary, listeners delight in speculating about the ?deep? personal meaning all these events must have.

At this point, though, the album undergoes a strange mutation, a reconfiguration of sorts. For it is by the seemingly individual nature of these experiences that they are transmuted into something that appears as a universal experience ? something that is ?shared by everyone.? These feelings he describes as embodied in particular objects and moments are surely things that ?we?ve all felt before.? The specificity of its meaning is generalized by virtue of its detachment from a greater public realm of meaning. All the concrete cases he describes are abstracted from his experiences and thereby become something in which we can all abstractly participate. Bannon?s lyrics become something to which we can all passively ?relate.?

This abstractness is reflected in the abstract layers of fuzz and noise into which everything determinate is dissolved. Individual notes are either lost in the drone of an open D or are absurdly accentuated. The time signature changes throughout ?Concubine? and ?Fault and Fracture? are cynically calculated to convey desperation or anger. To this, Bannon?s empty screams parody themselves, the ghosts of their own auto-affection. They simultaneously mask and lay bare ?a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? (Macbeth).

It is therefore no coincidence that Bannon gave the name ?Jane Doe? to his ex-lover, after whom the album is eponymously titled. Jane Doe expresses the utter generality of this woman. She could be anyone. And this is the central paradox of the album: though she is certainly the one to whom so many personal, particular meanings are attached, she is no one in particular. Her ultimate facelessness is illustrated on the album cover by the half-silhouette of her face disintegrating into locusts at the bottom. This more broadly signifies the disintegration of meaning that underlies the personalism of the album. Its significance is precisely the loss of significance.

Another implication of this (a point that has hitherto eluded reviewers of this album) is that as much as Jane Doe is meant to be the story of one person, of Jacob Bannon, it becomes anyone?s story. Bannon is himself a sort of John Doe. In the final analysis, he is a stand-in, a catchall, a placeholder. His individual persona is elevated into the hypostasis[1] of a social type.

And this is why the album must be left unrated. Converge cannot even be credited with its creation. Jane Doe is, essentially, an album that was written by no one.

∅/5

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 07:09:33 PM »
I thought it was a joke, and thought the guy confirmed it when he said it was a troll post, and then he went and posted this:

"I dislike it for two main reasons, which are more or less separable. First of all, I really am not a fan of the incomprehensible screamed vocals, the erratic music and herky-jerky transitions. I understand that plenty of people are into this; I?m just not a fan. This really isn?t what the review is about, though.

At the same time, however, I think what really sends me over the edge about this album is how many people tend to feel that they can ?identify? with its content, a hopelessly banal tendency in the appreciation of recent music. Even here, though, the point isn?t whether I like the record or not, or whether I?m annoyed by their fans? reactions to it. More important to me is what it says about the modern world and contemporary social life that albums like Jane Doe exist. I?m interested in examining Jane Doe as a mirroring a broader tendency in modern artistic creation, understanding it as expressive of a certain aspect of modern subjectivity.

While I don?t think Converge are aware exactly why they?re doing it, the lyrics and overall mood of Jane Doe are so unintelligible in terms of its specificity and personal references that it becomes something onto which anyone can project their feelings and think that the album describes exactly what they?re going through."

And now I'm confused again.

This guy ought to write for Pitchfork.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 12:14:49 PM »
I can't help it. This guy cracks me up;

"... a deliberately baffling, Adornian-dialectical style..."

he's obviously listened to it more than a few times (this isn't some new album he's trying to review) which means there's appreciation on some level. he's probably got a conflicted relationship with his own tastes, so much so that he insidiously attempts to mock the record through a clinically perverse apotheosis of Jacob Bannon. It's the inverted black mass of record reviews. He's trying so hard to be a real sophisticate. It's funny.
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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 10:21:11 PM »
Hi, I'm the author of the review of Jane Doe that's being discussed.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 11:53:51 PM »
Fantastic. What response were you hoping to illicit from that comment?

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 12:11:00 AM »
Hi, I'm the author of the review of Jane Doe that's being discussed.

fuck yeah, you're the man, Ross Wolfe!!

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 04:18:39 AM »
Fantastic. What response were you hoping to illicit from that comment?

This one:

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Hi, I'm the author of the review of Jane Doe that's being discussed.
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fuck yeah, you're the man, Ross Wolfe!!

Amongst others.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 08:42:45 PM »
Oh yes, and ? as per Bobby Peru's suggestion ? I sent the following e-mail to Pitchfork's correction department:

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Pitchfork's entire review for Jane Doe is in "error."  Not really in terms of its grammatical form, but rather in terms of its substantive content.  This is unacceptable.

Please either replace it with the following review, or add this review alongside it:

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Converge?s 2001 record Jane Doe is, more than anything else, a symptom. A symptom, of course, is a surface phenomenon that points to its derivation out of something deeper ? something that lies at its root, concealed from view. It is the manifestation of that which remains latent. As such, it is the expression of another thing, distinct from itself, of which it is an unwitting reflex, purely epiphenomenal.

But in its very superficiality, Jane Doe simulates profundity. The illusion that results is, in fact, so perfect as to disguise its origin even from itself, lost in the night of its own paramnesia. Jacob Bannon might be the one singing on the record, but make no mistake: the words are not his own. In truth, they are words written by no one. Words that are the product of a thoroughly impersonal dynamic, generated by a mindless web of relations that inscribes itself into the consciousness of a human vessel ? a human vessel which for it is nothing more than a mouthpiece, a means for expression.

In other words, Bannon is the puppet of forces beyond his comprehension. He dances to a tune that was not of his own making. Nor was this tune the making of any other member of Converge. His frenetic flailing during their songs is the enactment of a total powerlessness, the involuntary spasm of a marionette.

Very well, a symptom ? but if so, a symptom of what?

Put simply, Jane Doe is a symptom of the fetishization of the personal itself, or to be more precise, of the unmistakable personalism that characterizes so much of the art and music of the last few decades. That is to say, it emerges out of the general cult of the ?personal? that has arisen in recent years. Converge?s most celebrated project thrives on the same elements that all personalist art and music does: self-referentiality, a heavy reliance on personal symbolism, the exact meaning of which is available to no one outside of the author ? indeed, an entire mythology belonging only to a single individual, the likes of which William Blake could have only dreamed.

To be sure, Jane Doe?s most obscure symbolism is that which attempts to transfigure the mythologies that were once common property to all, ?imbuing? them with personal meaning. The two-part sequence of ?Phoenix in Flight? and ?Phoenix in Flames? invokes that old Coptic legend about the mythic creature that is reborn out of the very flames that consume it. Certainly, the symbol has been used often enough by lyric poets through the ages. But Bannon adds a twist. ?Set your phoenix to flight,? he commands. ?Your? phoenix? What could this possibly mean? Surely its meaning is privy only to the author himself, or perhaps also to the ?person? to whom the phoenix belonged. This must allude to some private experience Bannon had that carried such personal significance as to ?move? him to reference it in a song released to the public.

This is hardly an isolated instance in the album. In a song called, appropriately enough, ?Distance and Meaning,? the following lyrics appear: ?Like the years we burned down/I heard that phone call/The hesitation, the awkward silence/I felt everything in those seconds.? Bannon makes no attempt to elucidate the contents of this conversation, either by lyrical hints or other poetic devices. It recalls a phone conversation between two people, wrapped in all the vagueness that comes with a memory exalted by an author as particularly significant. Again, however, the meaning is Bannon?s sole property; he presents it to his audience as an empty cipher.

Herein lies the key to the personalism underpinning every moment of Converge?s Jane Doe. By signifying nothing, its authors seem to signify everything. Bannon presents concrete symbols torn from their context. Lyrics describing particular events are removed from the personal experiences for which they possess significance and displayed as raw artifacts, unsullied by explanation. The irreducibly personal quality this produces far from alienates its listeners, however. On the contrary, listeners delight in speculating about the ?deep? personal meaning all these events must have.

At this point, though, the album undergoes a strange mutation, a reconfiguration of sorts. For it is by the seemingly individual nature of these experiences that they are transmuted into something that appears as a universal experience ? something that is ?shared by everyone.? These feelings he describes as embodied in particular objects and moments are surely things that ?we?ve all felt before.? The specificity of its meaning is generalized by virtue of its detachment from a greater public realm of meaning. All the concrete cases he describes are abstracted from his experiences and thereby become something in which we can all abstractly participate. Bannon?s lyrics become something to which we can all passively ?relate.?

This abstractness is reflected in the abstract layers of fuzz and noise into which everything determinate is dissolved. Individual notes are either lost in the drone of an open D or are absurdly accentuated. The time signature changes throughout ?Concubine? and ?Fault and Fracture? are cynically calculated to convey desperation or anger. To this, Bannon?s empty screams parody themselves, the ghosts of their own auto-affection. They simultaneously mask and lay bare ?a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? (Macbeth).

It is therefore no coincidence that Bannon gave the name ?Jane Doe? to his ex-lover, after whom the album is eponymously titled. Jane Doe expresses the utter generality of this woman. She could be anyone. And this is the central paradox of the album: though she is certainly the one to whom so many personal, particular meanings are attached, she is no one in particular. Her ultimate facelessness is illustrated on the album cover by the half-silhouette of her face disintegrating into locusts at the bottom. This more broadly signifies the disintegration of meaning that underlies the personalism of the album. Its significance is precisely the loss of significance.

Another implication of this (a point that has hitherto eluded reviewers of this album) is that as much as Jane Doe is meant to be the story of one person, of Jacob Bannon, it becomes anyone?s story. Bannon is himself a sort of John Doe. In the final analysis, he is a stand-in, a catchall, a placeholder. His individual persona is elevated into the hypostasis of a social type.

And this is why the album must be left unrated. Converge cannot even be credited with its creation. Jane Doe is, essentially, an album that was written by no one.

    ∅/5
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The author credited should be Ross Wolfe.  And yes, the rating given should be a null set.  If the current rating system for Pitchfork does not allow for this, change it (the system, not the rating).

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 08:59:06 PM »
Do you like to watch yourself jack off in the mirror, Ross?

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 09:25:24 PM »
You should see my review of Circle Takes the Square's As the Roots Undo

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 12:24:18 AM »
Why do you hopelessly overanalyze terrible music in your reviews? Was this actually a term paper for a creative douchebaggery course you were taking?

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 04:36:08 PM »
Why do you hopelessly overanalyze terrible music in your reviews? Was this actually a term paper for a creative douchebaggery course you were taking?

I think Melville's Ahab said it best when it comes to records like this: "To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."

For more hateful rambling, please refer to the following review, also written by me: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/37532/Circle-Takes-The-Square-As-the-Roots-Undo/.

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Re: Hilarious 'Jane Doe' Review
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2010, 11:20:44 PM »
the ctts review, like the converge review, was unfunny. maybe i should overanalyze how unfunny they are and write super long paragraphs detailing how they are scientifically unfunny.