ORIGIN OF ALLEY-OOP/FSBS/BSFS

[bob george]

Does anybody know or understand the origin of the phrase?

I see no correlation between the skateboard and basketball move - does there have to be?

In Australia we had a video magazine called FSBS, I always loved the idea of FSBS or BSFS in my head, just as a bit of skateboard mind bending, a skateboarding paradox if you will.

If you roll up a wide bank, carving backside, do a frontside 180 and roll out fakie it's nothing really. It'd be get called an ollie to fakie maybe if it had to be called something(?), but it could be a BSFS180 too. A blindside ollie on enough of an angle is maybe the FSBS. Alley-oops are the same.

I'm just baked and enjoying the idea. Don't worry it's just for imaginations sake. Any feelings or thoughts?

SHALOM?

[themanwhomakes]

No not never, and neither should you.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

Does anybody know or understand the origin of the phrase?

I see no correlation between the skateboard and basketball move - does there have to be?

In Australia we had a video magazine called FSBS, I always loved the idea of FSBS or BSFS in my head, just as a bit of skateboard mind bending, a skateboarding paradox if you will.

If you roll up a wide bank, carving backside, do a frontside 180 and roll out fakie it's nothing really. It'd be get called an ollie to fakie maybe if it had to be called something(?), but it could be a BSFS180 too. A blindside ollie on enough of an angle is maybe the FSBS. Alley-oops are the same.

I'm just baked and enjoying the idea. Don't worry it's just for imaginations sake. Any feelings or thoughts?

SHALOM?

  Love Prince.   Alley oop is from the 70s skateparks or maybe surfing.  What are the "BSFS" and "FSBS" stand for?

[bob george]

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  Love Prince.   Alley oop is from the 70s skateparks or maybe surfing.  What are the "BSFS" and "FSBS" stand for?

It's not right to not love Prince.

Backside frontside and Frontside backside. There's no alley oop in surfing that I'm aware of. It's just a pretty steadfast bit of terminology with no real origin story/justification that I know of.

[Cool Ceith]

The origin is as follows: A young skater named Al (or "Alley" to his friends) did a backside kickturn while carving frontside in 1978. His buddies on deck thought that the trick was rare, or "Out Of Print" in antiquarian bookseller's terms. Henceforth, the term Alley-OOP stuck.

[DanTheDoucher]

The origin is as follows: A young skater named Al (or "Alley" to his friends) did a backside kickturn while carving frontside in 1978. His buddies on deck thought that the trick was rare, or "Out Of Print" in antiquarian bookseller's terms. Henceforth, the term Alley-OOP stuck.

In the middle ages you could locked up for even suggesting that a backside kickturn could be done while carving frontside.

[Dooky-shoes]

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Does anybody know or understand the origin of the phrase?

I see no correlation between the skateboard and basketball move - does there have to be?

In Australia we had a video magazine called FSBS, I always loved the idea of FSBS or BSFS in my head, just as a bit of skateboard mind bending, a skateboarding paradox if you will.

If you roll up a wide bank, carving backside, do a frontside 180 and roll out fakie it's nothing really. It'd be get called an ollie to fakie maybe if it had to be called something(?), but it could be a BSFS180 too. A blindside ollie on enough of an angle is maybe the FSBS. Alley-oops are the same.

I'm just baked and enjoying the idea. Don't worry it's just for imaginations sake. Any feelings or thoughts?

SHALOM?

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  Love Prince.   Alley oop is from the 70s skateparks or maybe surfing.  What are the "BSFS" and "FSBS" stand for?

Solid point. Thanks for posting.
Got right down to it.

[j....soy.....]

Shout out to Jenny Kim #skate...

[Mad Max]

Frontside and backside originate from surfing in reference to the side of your body facing the wave and the way you turn your shoulders as you carve.*
If the front of your body is facing the wave, or you begin your rotation with your lead (front) shoulder, it's frontside.
If your back is facing the wave, or you begin your rotation with your rear (back) shoulder, it's backside.
Skaters then applied this logic to their movements as they approached an obstacle or carved an embankment or transition.

*NB This explains the logic behind frontside halfcabs and frontside nollies.

I don't know about alley-oop but I presume it's origins are in skating. It could be any of the following of something else...?
- A skater named Alley (Ally?Ali?) rode up something backside or frontside and proceeded to rotate in the opposite direction before returning down. This blew everyone's mind and they gave is a snazzy name with the suffix -oop.
- A ramp skater performed the manoeuvre over a channel and a bystander thought the channel was an alley (much like a bowling alley) for entering the ramp, and the rotation had a sort of loopy effect thuis coiniung the name alley-oop.

With regards to FSBS/BSFS, this is a misnommer but tghe only refrence of origin I can think of is Bam Margera explaining in rthe Camp Kill Yourself/Landspeed video how to do an SSBSTS (Switch Stance Back Side Tail Slide). His trick tip was mocking the abbreviated skate jargon used by journalists in skate mag captions during the late 90s Early 00s.

Bonus explaination: Why is it a frontside 180 FAKIE nosegrind/nosemanual and not a frontside 180 switch 5-0/manual?
Simple: The origin of the trick required a rotation and not a switch ollie.
Fakie nollies are a misnommer. They are just switch ollies.

[Yung Brimley]

the alley-oop was invented by chris strople

http://www.larrybalma.com/2016/09/20/chris-strople-interview/

"In the late 1970s, Sierra Madre, California native Chris Strople was one of the top pro vert skateboarders in the world. The inventor of the alley-oop and rock ’n’ roll boardslide, he was also a faithful Tracker test rider who could often be seen piloting prototype trucks in many a magazine shot. A skateboarder for life, Chris still embarks on road trips to this day, hitting up skateparks near and far.—GSD"

the phrase came into the american venacular through an old american comic strip, its derived from a french acrobatic term

[bob george]

Thank you! Very cool.

I like that this worked out as both a skate history lesson and a linguistic lesson. Allez hop indeed!

[cucktard]

the alley-oop was invented by chris strople

http://www.larrybalma.com/2016/09/20/chris-strople-interview/

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"In the late 1970s, Sierra Madre, California native Chris Strople was one of the top pro vert skateboarders in the world. The inventor of the alley-oop and rock ’n’ roll boardslide, he was also a faithful Tracker test rider who could often be seen piloting prototype trucks in many a magazine shot. A skateboarder for life, Chris still embarks on road trips to this day, hitting up skateparks near and far.—GSD"

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the phrase came into the american venacular through an old american comic strip, its derived from a french acrobatic term

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[Yung Brimley]

[bestdudever]

alley oop is about dunking basketball balls only point blank end of discussion. that comics not real its the mandala effect.

[MyUserName]

I can't stand when people call it "the hard way," like "backside flip over the rail the hard way." Fuck that, all of skateboarding is hard.

[Jehoshaphat Augustus]

I can't stand when people call it "the hard way," like "backside flip over the rail the hard way." Fuck that, all of skateboarding is hard.

A frontside 180 up a parallel curb is easier when your back is turned to it.
you're denying your body's natural inertia. i think that's all they mean.
but i get it.