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Re: end times
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2024, 04:48:09 PM »
@ungzilla has it right. We pushed inequality down in the USA and then Reagan, Von Hayek, Friedman, and Ayn Rand brought in their free-market/neo-classical/neo-liberal economics "government and unions and workers are the problem" horseshit and big surprise life got harder for the average American. Who would have guessed that the right attacking workers would be bad for... workers? Who would have guessed that destroying the unions that protect workers would be bad for... workers? Who would have guessed shifting the tax burden away from shareholders and corporations and on to workers would make things harder for... workers? Who would have guessed that pulling away tax support for universities and pushing the burden on to students would make life hard for... young workers? The right attacked unions and the government because they are the only institutions strong enough to challenge and curb their power. And, somehow, these dumb ass conspiracies continue to attack the interests of workers by pretending the self-made legal problems of a near billionaire who lied, cheated, and abused his workers, his family, and the American public are somehow the problems of the workers.  :o

The right taught us to hate workers, unions, worker protections, a social safety net, and government (except the police, the key group that has the right to use actual physical force against US citizens). The right has only ever cared about creating a world where the businesses, shareholders, and landlords are making lots of money. They promised us if the rich get richer and we voluntarily give up our power via unions/government, it'll somehow make our lives better.  ::)

And now that life has gotten harder for decades, their solution is to double down on these stupid ass ideas. It is not that the left's protection of social security, medicare/medicaid, food stamps, unions, environmental regulations, etc. have provided a minimal defense from this continual attack, it is because of these minimal government protections that the distribution of rewards from our economic growth primarily goes to those at the top. If we only further attacked labor and the safety net, the better world we've been promised will magically appear. If we further weaken labor, labor will get a bigger piece of our economy's rewards.  ::)

@Lenny Fatface, what do you mean by the economy? The economy has never been about individuals. GDP is up, unemployment is down, industrial production is at pre-pandemic levels, consumer spending is up, and so on. Most of the indicators that the economy is humming along are there. If people are happy; if people have time for their friends, hobbies, and family; if people can pay back their student loans; if people can afford a new home; etc. all have nothing to do with the economy. The right taught us in the late 70s and early 80s, the economy will go upwards and the stock market will continue to grow not inspite of inequality or individuals struggling, but because of inequality and struggle. The right saw that giving more to those on top and making life harder for the average person would increase their wealth and increases the economy.

Finally, we aren't at an end of times, aside from obvious environmental issues, but we approaching a bad situation as YouTube, TikTok, AM radio, and QAnon nuts peddle stupid right wing answers while demonizing those who are actually trying to help. We are approaching a bad moment, because people like Alex Jones can teach Americans to hate the parents of children who die in school shootings, because Steve Bannon wants to see things crumble so he can gain power, and because Americans will believe the stupidest fucking half-baked ideas because it makes them feel smarter than everyone around them, despite not doing the hard work required to actually gain knowledge.

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Re: end times
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2024, 03:14:58 PM »
Nothing like a dude talking about "waves of immigrants" and "brainwashed progressives" with a 1K positive rep count to tell me I'm going in the correct direction with mine.

Stoked to see an invisible committee link on here. We should've had a SLAP game of skate in St Imier last summer :) That being said I don't share the self-serving doomsaying that's almost a mandatory trope in anarchist circles by now. We been predicting that shit for a little too long and too often, fellow directactioners  :)

I think a lot of younger people's sense of impending doom rightfully comes from the climate crisis. Jem Bendell's "Deep Adaption", although having had a few holes poked into its method, remains chillingly and painfully on point. And take, on top of that, crazed gun-nuts with varying degrees of fascist agendas - what's not to fear?!

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Re: end times
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2024, 04:22:55 PM »
Nothing like a dude talking about "waves of immigrants" and "brainwashed progressives" with a 1K positive rep count to tell me I'm going in the correct direction with mine.

Sneaky brought a lot of light hearted laughs and silliness for quite some time, and there has been a shift in the tone of his posts over the past little bit.
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Re: end times
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2024, 04:38:17 PM »
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I disagree.

Why is everyone in the land of the free scared shitless?
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If I had to guess, it would be due to the economy clearly being much worse than what the media and government are claiming. This is the first time I remember the disparity between truth and message being THIS blatant.

I would say living in America is a sketchy ass system...that just goes down (badly) for a lot of working class people.  Lived in the bay area through the 94 recession, which most dont talk about as often as dot.com or subprime, but the shocks to system have started to become more frequent Covid being the most recent, its just a pattern that has and obvious bad ending if you arent in the 1%.   

This has been one of my favorite leftist economists


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Re: end times
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2024, 04:46:35 PM »
Just imagine skating the ruins of bust spots. It will be like Covid without cops or security guards.

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Re: end times
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2024, 04:46:56 PM »
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Nothing like a dude talking about "waves of immigrants" and "brainwashed progressives" with a 1K positive rep count to tell me I'm going in the correct direction with mine.
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Sneaky brought a lot of light hearted laughs and silliness for quite some time, and there has been a shift in the tone of his posts over the past little bit.

Yeah, old Sneaky was the best…

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Re: end times
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2024, 08:51:08 PM »
Collapse (in almost every way) is happening now, probably has for a long time. We've fucked everything and the pile of shit gets bigger each day: business as usual.

It definitely has been happening for a long time, we now just have the means to not let the media narrative of EVERYTHING IS FINE PLEASE DO NOT NOTICE HOW DIFFERENTLY BAD THE WORLD IS NOW COMPARED TO PAST DECADES YOU’VE BEEN ALIVE be sole dictator of public opinion.  And that’s a good thing, because you can’t get your car off the train tracks if you have less than a single second to move before impact.


The ecological collapse is what concerns me most and will decide our fate. The moment we thought we were separate and/or above nature ruined us. Like Carlin said, we gave everything up for money, decided to compete against rather than cooperate with, we squandered literally everything, etc, etc. We as a species deserve what's coming.

I have struggled for a long time accepting this. I thought I could shut it off but it's come straight back in the last few years. I move between depression and acceptance quite often.

Today is the best it gets.

I get it, my gripe is that Western nations set the bar for change, and yet, turn the other cheek when non-Western nations keep doing things their own way and fucking things up.  China and India pretty much take up the top 2 spots year after year for world’s worst polluters, then, instead of anyone else calling them out and holding them accountable, Western nations self-flagellate and say they themselves are the biggest problem and are needing to do more.  I can’t tolerate the double-standards of that shit, hold the biggest offenders accountable, don’t cover for them.

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Re: end times
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2024, 11:16:01 PM »
The fall of empires or society rarely happened in a Big Bang, it was a gradual downfall.

But if our technology fails (power, internet, health care, knowledge, states etc.) it might go down pretty fast this time. At least the „high culture“. Humans will be ok, just forget about comfort and safety. We live in a bubble. Real life never was about selfies and fast food. Life is about the struggle to survive (eat instead of being eaten)

Yeah blame china and India  ;D biggest polluters? Yeah but also biggest population. Per capital im pretty sure we westerners are to blame. Also we invented that wasteful decadence we call industrialization, globalization and capitalism/consumerism.
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Re: end times
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2024, 11:51:02 PM »
Just imagine skating the ruins of bust spots. It will be like Covid without cops or security guards.
Bold of you to assume you'll have that luxury

My take is doom is inevitable. The more pressing aspect is; what does "doom" look like?

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Re: end times
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2024, 02:06:12 AM »
@ungzilla has it right. We pushed inequality down in the USA and then Reagan, Von Hayek, Friedman, and Ayn Rand brought in their free-market/neo-classical/neo-liberal economics "government and unions and workers are the problem" horseshit and big surprise life got harder for the average American. Who would have guessed that the right attacking workers would be bad for... workers? Who would have guessed that destroying the unions that protect workers would be bad for... workers? Who would have guessed shifting the tax burden away from shareholders and corporations and on to workers would make things harder for... workers? Who would have guessed that pulling away tax support for universities and pushing the burden on to students would make life hard for... young workers? The right attacked unions and the government because they are the only institutions strong enough to challenge and curb their power. And, somehow, these dumb ass conspiracies continue to attack the interests of workers by pretending the self-made legal problems of a near billionaire who lied, cheated, and abused his workers, his family, and the American public are somehow the problems of the workers.  :o

The right taught us to hate workers, unions, worker protections, a social safety net, and government (except the police, the key group that has the right to use actual physical force against US citizens). The right has only ever cared about creating a world where the businesses, shareholders, and landlords are making lots of money. They promised us if the rich get richer and we voluntarily give up our power via unions/government, it'll somehow make our lives better.  ::)

And now that life has gotten harder for decades, their solution is to double down on these stupid ass ideas. It is not that the left's protection of social security, medicare/medicaid, food stamps, unions, environmental regulations, etc. have provided a minimal defense from this continual attack, it is because of these minimal government protections that the distribution of rewards from our economic growth primarily goes to those at the top. If we only further attacked labor and the safety net, the better world we've been promised will magically appear. If we further weaken labor, labor will get a bigger piece of our economy's rewards.  ::)

@Lenny Fatface, what do you mean by the economy? The economy has never been about individuals. GDP is up, unemployment is down, industrial production is at pre-pandemic levels, consumer spending is up, and so on. Most of the indicators that the economy is humming along are there. If people are happy; if people have time for their friends, hobbies, and family; if people can pay back their student loans; if people can afford a new home; etc. all have nothing to do with the economy. The right taught us in the late 70s and early 80s, the economy will go upwards and the stock market will continue to grow not inspite of inequality or individuals struggling, but because of inequality and struggle. The right saw that giving more to those on top and making life harder for the average person would increase their wealth and increases the economy.

Finally, we aren't at an end of times, aside from obvious environmental issues, but we approaching a bad situation as YouTube, TikTok, AM radio, and QAnon nuts peddle stupid right wing answers while demonizing those who are actually trying to help. We are approaching a bad moment, because people like Alex Jones can teach Americans to hate the parents of children who die in school shootings, because Steve Bannon wants to see things crumble so he can gain power, and because Americans will believe the stupidest fucking half-baked ideas because it makes them feel smarter than everyone around them, despite not doing the hard work required to actually gain knowledge.

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USA Inequality


Much respect for this great explanation. I agree with you 100 percent. It is a damn shame this position has basically no political representation today (aside from maybe a few marginalized Dems).

I want to add two things:

Social welfare is not just support for vulnerable people. Unions fought for a “safety net“, because indirectly working people profit as well. It is much easier to tell your boss to fuck off or to demand better working conditions if the loss of that job doesn’t put you and your family on the street. It gives working people more power, because they are less dependent on their employer.

Like you mentioned this apocalyptic position that America, maybe even all of the west is doomed and will soon fall apart is actually a desire for it to happen (flamed by online fascism and the far right). A self fulfilling prophecy. The right feeds on fear. Fear of immigrants, fear of technology, of the globalists (it usually means “the Jews“) which it turns into hatred. Those are deflections. They turn: “I want better wages and better living conditions“ into “why do these immigrants get all this support?“. A real coward’s position.


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Re: end times
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2024, 04:36:52 AM »
Fully agree here, @TheLurper & @S.

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Re: end times
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2024, 04:20:05 PM »
the answers you seek will most likely fall flat @SneakySecrets

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Re: end times
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2024, 05:10:01 PM »
The world is ending just as I finally learnt to 360 flip? That'd be fucking right....

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Re: end times
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2024, 01:45:37 AM »
The world is ending just as I finally learnt to 360 flip? That'd be fucking right....

hey congrats!

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Re: end times
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2024, 05:36:04 AM »
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The world is ending just as I finally learnt to 360 flip? That'd be fucking right....
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hey congrats!

Thanks dude!
They aren't pretty, but I'm 41 and thought I wouldn't ever be able to do the damn things so I'm just stoked to be shitting them out.

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Re: end times
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2024, 06:32:18 AM »
always funny to see American Whites start pretending society is gonna turn into 28 days later because lil cesars hot and ready went up a dollar
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Re: end times
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2024, 09:46:58 AM »
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The world is ending just as I finally learnt to 360 flip? That'd be fucking right....
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hey congrats!
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Thanks dude!
They aren't pretty, but I'm 41 and thought I wouldn't ever be able to do the damn things so I'm just stoked to be shitting them out.
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Awesome!   I’m 42…. Maybe I should try… but probably not.

That’s sick though! 360 flips are hard.
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Re: end times
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2024, 10:58:21 AM »
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Just imagine skating the ruins of bust spots. It will be like Covid without cops or security guards.
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Bold of you to assume you'll have that luxury

My take is doom is inevitable. The more pressing aspect is; what does "doom" look like?

It will probably look like Children of Men. A disillusioned clerk cautiously cradles the last set of non-flatspotted wheels out of a shot up building while warring factions temporarily cease fire and stare in awe.

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Re: end times
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2024, 12:28:03 PM »
I can tell you that I think the WEF is whack as hell

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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2024, 02:12:50 PM »
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Just imagine skating the ruins of bust spots. It will be like Covid without cops or security guards.
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Bold of you to assume you'll have that luxury

My take is doom is inevitable. The more pressing aspect is; what does "doom" look like?
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It will probably look like Children of Men. A disillusioned clerk cautiously cradles the last set of non-flatspotted wheels out of a shot up building while warring factions temporarily cease fire and stare in awe.
Are they Bones or Spitfire?
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Re: end times
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2024, 10:15:25 AM »
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Just imagine skating the ruins of bust spots. It will be like Covid without cops or security guards.
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Bold of you to assume you'll have that luxury

My take is doom is inevitable. The more pressing aspect is; what does "doom" look like?
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It will probably look like Children of Men. A disillusioned clerk cautiously cradles the last set of non-flatspotted wheels out of a shot up building while warring factions temporarily cease fire and stare in awe.
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Are they Bones or Spitfire?

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Re: end times
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2024, 01:25:07 PM »
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  • do yourselves a favour and take a step back from political framing and reflect on the biophysical realities of a species hellbent on infinite exponential growth on a finite planet

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Re: end times
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2024, 02:01:31 PM »
You got some time homie not much but April 13, 2029 we getting hit by an asteroid they call the sun eater. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
But the real thing to do is just enjoy the moments as they happens. What’s going down with the people right now is late stage capitalism and it’s pretty obvious that the experiment is over. It dosnt work. A couple of people rise to the top mostly from generational accumulated wealth and resources and the rest are pushed down. There will be a class war. I believe Communism is the way out. Watch fucking Star Trek my Gs. That’s future thinking. Being a communist is like being a refuge from the future. That’s the utopia. Working together as one.

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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2024, 02:48:35 PM »
And if you really worried about it all I say read the Bible. But read it in a revolutionaries perspective. Jesus was for the people. He was the religion of the poor and not the religion of the priest class. I don’t give a fuck about Christianity but the book is a trip and filled with knowledge.