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Van Wastell article in NY Times
« on: October 17, 2008, 03:59:07 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/sports/othersports/17skater.html

The NY Times had an article about Van in the Sports section today. It's a little corny, obviously written by an outsider to skating, but even so just to have an article written about Van in a publication as reputed as the NY Times is really something. It's a good article despite the corniness.

R.I.P VAN

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 05:24:28 AM »
thumbs up!
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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 07:10:43 AM »
writing sucked... but its cool to see van getting some recognition.  shit... watson had a quote in there too.
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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 07:15:20 AM »
ahh..RIP

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 07:56:38 AM »

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 08:06:33 AM »
Kind of lame they depicted him as a party animal. But good to see a real skater getting due recognition in main stream media.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 08:32:14 AM »
REst in Peace, the article was  decent.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 08:47:34 AM »
the across the board comparison to evel kneviel for all skateboarders is getting old.

I find it funny no one wanted to comment on this. deluxe, mark gonzales or his family. it would have probably cleared up some questions people are alittle wary to ask..

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 10:41:25 AM »
That article was terrible
"You were such a shitty parent that your kid couldn't even make it to term A guy who killed his child before it could be born because he was so shitty didn't do anything wrong.You know how the rest of us became positive members of society BY NOT BEING PIECES OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE"-Ronald Reagon

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 10:48:44 AM »
What the fuck is that 'you can even look cool wearing a matix flannel' part about?

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 10:57:22 AM »
i really don't care how cheesy the paper wrote it. The point is they are paying respects and i can respect that. Rest in peace van.
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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 11:17:37 AM »
That made me sick to my stomach.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 12:46:45 PM »
Small parts were good, but the rest was shit   >:( ....RIP Van

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 03:39:04 PM »
i really don't care how cheesy the paper wrote it. The point is they are paying respects and i can respect that. Rest in peace van.

I really doubt the person who wrote that article gives a shit about Van Wastell. Just another story for them to print. I also thought it was disrespectful to try and portray him as some out of control binge drinker.
"You were such a shitty parent that your kid couldn't even make it to term A guy who killed his child before it could be born because he was so shitty didn't do anything wrong.You know how the rest of us became positive members of society BY NOT BEING PIECES OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE"-Ronald Reagon

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 04:54:16 PM »
hey, my former employer!

just another example of how it's almost completely impossible for regular media to "get" skating.
btw, did anyone post their article about skate shoes with lamont and louie louie? that was ridiculous as well. 

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 07:59:55 PM »
that sucked hella dixxx. fuck those motherfuckers, the new york times made me overdraft when they billed me $26 for the subscription i canceled.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 09:36:03 PM »
God, so bummed I was quoted in that piece of shit article. Here's my response on my blog:  http://youwillsoon.blogspot.com/2008/10/attention-new-york-times-readers.html



Hello, I see you've linked to us from the New York Times article on Van Wastell. While I appreciate the shout out from the article, and the link on the website, I would like to say that the opinions expressed in Michael Brick's article in no way reflect the opinions of the fine staff here at YouWillSoon.

I definitely would not refer to anything in skateboarding with the following words:

"Touring the country with an incandescent crew of trundling acrobats, he set himself apart with deft athleticism, prodigious creativity and a devil-may-care public image."

"But he always got up, and when he did he flew over guardrails, across the berms of parking lots, high above staircases, up riverbed embankments and around abandoned construction sites, his board twirling manically beneath his feet. Down bent metal handrails, he glided with ease. He soared over crevices like Evel Knievel. Most astounding of all, he seemed to defy gravity on behalf of his board, which he kept aloft beneath his airborne toes until the moment when he chose to slap the wheels down with clean finality."

"The resulting video, Krooked Kronichles, was released in 2006... skaters gaped at Wastell’s steady, gymnastic artistry."

This is an painful example of what happens when someone who doesn't know a goddamned thing about skateboarding tries to convey our "culture" to an unknowing public. Come on Michael, give the general public a little credit that they may be a little smarter than you think and that you don't have to "extreme" your vocabulary to get them to understand. Also, allow us to maintain a little dignity here. We definitely are not "an incandescent crew of trundling acrobats".

While I was contacted by Micheal Brick and agreed to talk to him to give him my opinion from a fan's perspective (which never happened, I was simply quoted from this post), and if I had known the direction that the article was going to take, I would have asked him not to use my name at all.

I highly disagree not only with his descriptions of skateboarding as if someone were reviewing a ballet troop's performance, but also his choice to highlight the "unspoken aspect of [our] sport". Yes, people drink. Yes, sometimes bad things happen when people drink. However, let a dead man retain some of his good reputation. Do not publish an article that will get nation-wide and even world-wide attention that downplays a person's accomplishments in favour of exposing the sad details of their death. And don't act like this is something that is the result of the live-fast-die-young nature of skateboarding.


So yeah, that article is lame. And if anyone thinks that I had anything to do with the direction of it because I was quoted, please think otherwise. Fuck that guy.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 12:12:19 PM »
that article sucked my bawls, but I urge you to read it.  A certain percentage of the world looks at us as criminal punks who are ruining the city.  Another percentage gawks and awes at our whimsical gymnastic creations(ghey).  To find how these outsiders see us, read the article... then grab another beer and fly through the air as your muse dances under your feet with fluidity, grace, and ;asdfjkl.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 02:13:47 PM »
Thats cool he made it in the ny times, rip VAN!
too bad the article sucked!

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 04:51:16 PM »
Thats cool he made it in the ny times, rip VAN!

too bad it is for his death, not for a positive reason. RIP Van

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2008, 07:48:58 AM »
fuck that article, and fuck the NYT for taking a grievous situation and not caring enough to do an in depth piece and instead getting someone with an obviously theatrical bias in his vocabulary and asking him to "gimme something extreme and touching and scathing in 1000 words". which is what this article reads like. the guy obviously googled van, prowled a few blogs (even scoured public records in typical reporter fashion) and made a lot of cliche generalizations about skaters in general to "flesh it out". I mean, of all the public images in skateboarding, I wouldn't say that van "... had cultivated a reputation for drinking heavily on tour." maybe Fred Gall, maybe Bobby Worrest, maybe a lot of other skaters, but not Van. fuck this dude.
i stand by Watson's quotes though.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2008, 07:59:10 AM »
fuck that article, and fuck the NYT for taking a grievous situation and not caring enough to do an in depth piece and instead getting someone with an obviously theatrical bias in his vocabulary and asking him to "gimme something extreme and touching and scathing in 1000 words". which is what this article reads like. the guy obviously googled van, prowled a few blogs (even scoured public records in typical reporter fashion) and made a lot of cliche generalizations about skaters in general to "flesh it out". I mean, of all the public images in skateboarding, I wouldn't say that van "... had cultivated a reputation for drinking heavily on tour." maybe Fred Gall, maybe Bobby Worrest, maybe a lot of other skaters, but not Van. fuck this dude.
i stand by Watson's quotes though.

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what did you honestly expect? shut up.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 08:05:57 AM »
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fuck that article, and fuck the NYT for taking a grievous situation and not caring enough to do an in depth piece and instead getting someone with an obviously theatrical bias in his vocabulary and asking him to "gimme something extreme and touching and scathing in 1000 words". which is what this article reads like. the guy obviously googled van, prowled a few blogs (even scoured public records in typical reporter fashion) and made a lot of cliche generalizations about skaters in general to "flesh it out". I mean, of all the public images in skateboarding, I wouldn't say that van "... had cultivated a reputation for drinking heavily on tour." maybe Fred Gall, maybe Bobby Worrest, maybe a lot of other skaters, but not Van. fuck this dude.
i stand by Watson's quotes though.

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what did you honestly expect? shut up.

first off fuck you, shitbag.

second, i didn't even expect the NYT to really acknowledge it in the first place. and if they are going to take on the subject of a meaningful death, I'd expect them (or anyone for that matter) to do it genuinely and with a little decorum (watson said he gave him the chance). he did not. that article was a pile of info-scrapings compiled to make a deadline.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 08:56:22 AM »
What the fuck is that 'you can even look cool wearing a matix flannel' part about?

ha! I thought the same thing, what does that even mean?

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2008, 06:24:44 PM »
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What the fuck is that 'you can even look cool wearing a matix flannel' part about?
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ha! I thought the same thing, what does that even mean?

I think the quote was taken out of context. I think what he was trying to say was "he could wear a Matix flannel and make it look really cool." Like, you know how some people can just wear certain things and pull it off and make it look proper and it's just natural steez? I think that's what he was trying to say; and if anyone had natural steez it was Van.

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2008, 07:46:54 PM »
Van was an amazing skateboarder, but i hate how that article reads like he was doing shit that was completely different from what other skaters are doing. sure, he was creative and definitely didn't skate the same as everybody else, but the way they described him grinding a handrail made it seem as though he was some mental case daredevil who was crazy enough to be the first person to ever try such a thing (one axel! omg! what's this guy thinking?!).

and "athletes" (as we are so incorrectly referred to) of all kind drink, smoke, and party, some more heavily than skaters, so why they make it seem as though skaters are all some type of mischevious punks that run around intentionally creating havoc is beyond me. such a disrespectful article.

to those saying "at least van is getting acknowledgement from a major mainstream publication" or something to that effect, you should know that, as stated before, the person writing this article doesn't give a fuck about van, nor do the non-skateboarding people that read this article, if any (imagine reading an article like that about a professional skiier that had recently passed, i wouldn't say that i don't care about his death, but i wouldn't be able to sit through a dramatic and incorrect telling of his life story).

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Re: Van Wastell article in NY Times
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2008, 08:03:48 PM »
i give a fuck! i hate the article too though. bla
R.I.P VAN