The Cop They Pushed Too Far...

[chuck d]

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i can't wait to see what kind of stupid conspiracy theories will come out of this

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...BREAKING NEWS: Cabin 7, thirty yards away, collapsed for no known reason.


...I don't know why they had to dump Dorner's body in the ocean off of that aircraft carrier. A little fishy if you ask me.


...Dorner WAS A POLICE OFFICER HIMSELF. Inside job.

He was framed!


Lila killed him!

[Oprah Winfrey]

DONT CORNER THE DORNER

Apparently he may have gotten away on a horse? Maybe he already had that body in there..?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26148/big-bear-shooting-christopher-dorner-believed-dead-cabin-in-flames-live-updates

[tom]

How is this being reported on the news in l.a? Are people getting pissed at the lapd?

[max power]

Apparently he may have gotten away on a horse?

[SFblah]

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i can't wait to see what kind of stupid conspiracy theories will come out of this

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...BREAKING NEWS: Cabin 7, thirty yards away, collapsed for no known reason.


...I don't know why they had to dump Dorner's body in the ocean off of that aircraft carrier. A little fishy if you ask me.


...Dorner WAS A POLICE OFFICER HIMSELF. Inside job.

HAHA yea I'm not into conspiracy theories but I thought the Twitter thing was weird. Also the LAPD just said that the gas they used is flamable but on CNN this morning they read the LAPD spokesperson the dialogue from the scanner where they talk about making sure they light it to ensure it burns down.

[SFblah]

Scene: Special Task Force CSI agents walking through wreckage of burned out cabin, standing over burnt corpse.

"So that's him, huh?"

"Well what's left of him."

"What do you think about the rumors? You know, they just burnt it down without trying to arrest him."

"I don't listen to rumors kid."

"But he didn't even have a chance to say his piece or have a fair trial...."

"But he did. He had a...trial by fire."

"YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!"

[Frank]

it's probably a cover-up for some major drugdeal the lapd is involved in. they have this guy who lost his mind over all the injustice and goes on a vendetta, a big ass manhunt, every cop just looking for this dude and awaiting to get killed by him. meanwhile, a crash-unit gone rogue sells the biggest amount of narcotics ever dealt with to a cartel that provides them in exchange with lots of military weaponry that they give out to the gangs to keep the vicious cycle going. 

[Oprah Winfrey]

Who even knows if he posted that manifesto to his facebook.. Who knows if he actually shot those people..

[Zurg]

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Apparently he may have gotten away on a horse?

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hahahahahaha

before reading this thread it never occurred to me that anyone other than the LAPD would burn down the cabin. it's pretty apparent that dorner wasnt going to take his own life. at the risk of being insensitive, i wish he had disappeared instead of died. i dont want to see him kill any other innocent people, but putting some psychological fear into the LAPD and police in general to do their jobs properly may not have been the worst

[essal]

Why the hell wouldn't the LEOs light the cabin on fire? There is nothing wrong with trying to smoke out a psychopath. It's probably one of the safest ways to end a well armed and barricaded fuckers reign of terror.
If they didn't light it on purpose, then a lot of smoke grenades and flashbangs are perfectly capable of starting fires. Anyone remember the Iranian embassy? Yea, flashbangs.

[essal]

Without any clue about what LAPD uses, but CTS bangs (their at least common over here for LEO use) have a low fire hazard rating, but that doesn't equal none. If they use 6-bangs or anything similar, then you sure as hell have a lot of sparks flying that are perfectly capable of lighting a dry interior on fire.

[brycickle]

We'll find out what happened tonight on the season premier of Southland!

[essal]

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Without any clue about what LAPD uses, but CTS bangs (their at least common over here for LEO use) have a low fire hazard rating, but that doesn't equal none. If they use 6-bangs or anything similar, then you sure as hell have a lot of sparks flying that are perfectly capable of lighting a dry interior on fire.

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I see what you're saying, and without seeing how fast the house burned, we'll never know. I just think if they wanted to smoke him out, they would have smoked him out. I don't know the LAPD's procedures on these things, but you generally throw a flash bang because you're going in IMMEDIATELY. I don't know. I know I don't trust whatever story we're going to hear though.

I read on another forum where someone had written down things from a scanner about the LEOs deploying "burners" (which I'm not quite sure about what means exactly), and then a "7 burners deployed". Other posters commented how a lot of different agencies had used similar techniques in the past with great success.
The user who posted from the scanner also posted that a single gunshot came from the cabin after the fire was started, most likely this big hero taking his own life to make his case.

Shame that a perfectly good cabin had to burn down.

[essal]

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We'll find out what happened tonight on the season premier of Southland!

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Actually what's your thoughts on the fire being started by flashbangs/smoke grenades?  Did you learn anything about that in your training?  My experience all comes from deployments.  I've seen smoke used in dead grass in the driest desert and nothing happen and all my experience with flashbangs have never come close to starting a fire, but I've never seen more than one used at a time.

I guess this was aimed at me?
A guy in my platoon started a small fire with a smoke grenade in long dry grass. It's a local made (Norwegian) grenade, and when you release the spoon you basically get a slow smoke, the canister heats up real bad, especially close to the top where the smoke exits. The leftover contents of the canister is basically charred, and you usually get a small burn mark around it.
Never seen a flashbang used in an actual room, only seen them in concrete MOUT buildings. I'll see if I can find the manual where I know there is a safety note about fires.

[brycickle]

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We'll find out what happened tonight on the season premier of Southland!

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Actually what's your thoughts on the fire being started by flashbangs/smoke grenades?� Did you learn anything about that in your training?� My experience all comes from deployments.� I've seen smoke used in dead grass in the driest desert and nothing happen and all my experience with flashbangs have never come close to starting a fire, but I've never seen more than one used at a time.

It would be highly unlikely unless he had spread some kind of flammable liquid all over the house and it had off gassed enough to reach it's lower explosive limit. To ignite a solid fuel would take way more heat and temperature to over a longer amount of time to sustain ignition. The problem is that to ignite a solid fuel it has to have heat applied to it long enough to start pyrolysis(the turning of a solid into a flammable gas), then that gas, as with the flammable liquid, needs to reach a certain fuel air mixture to ignite. It may start a smoldering fire, but it wouldn't grow to be hot enough to continue off gassing and reach even an incipient stage in fire development. Sparks wouldn't do that.

[iLuhTahGOLF]

This movie they are filming is causing up such a stir! I can't wait to see it in theaters!! 

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Considering the fact they have shot up a few vehicles without any shred of evidence Dorner was in them (or even the same color as the truck he was driving), they weren't trying to take him in alive... so they weren't trying to smoke him out. Why would he start the fire instead of just shooting himself, if his plan was to cash out and take him own life? Not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but they obviously didn't want him seeing a trial, for whatever reason. Maybe they just wanted him dead because he was attacking police and they were just exorcising some prejudice. The possibility exists that the fire was started accidentally, but I think it was more that they just wanted him dead.

[SFblah]

I agree. They were going shoot first, ask questions later. The LAPD still says they didn't try to burn it down but the police scanner audio makes it clear they were. This could also be because they were scared of the guy and knew he was not gonna be taken alive. It ended pretty much how I thought it might.

[steve]

It's a lot easier for the popular media to push aside the story of a few deaths, "rogue cop" included, it would not be so easy to avoid covering such a high profile trial. The LAPD and Feds wanted him dead, i'm sure, more than he wanted to die. 

[Oprah Winfrey]

hahahaha

what a fucking bizarre press conference.. Blatantly lying to the public about purposely starting the fire..

ALSO WHY WAS THE MEDIA ASKED TO NOT COVER THE CABIN??
& WHY DID THEY GRANT THAT WISH..

SMH

[SheepShagger]

Considering the fact they have shot up a few vehicles without any shred of evidence Dorner was in them (or even the same color as the truck he was driving), they weren't trying to take him in alive... so they weren't trying to smoke him out. Why would he start the fire instead of just shooting himself, if his plan was to cash out and take him own life? Not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but they obviously didn't want him seeing a trial, for whatever reason. Maybe they just wanted him dead because he was attacking police and they were just exorcising some prejudice. The possibility exists that the fire was started accidentally, but I think it was more that they just wanted him dead.

It was suicide by police, nothing more.  He was never going to himself up in the first place. 

[Dontfearthereefer]

Yeah dude shot himself, there was no way he was going to give the police that satisfaction

[Brooklyn Zoo]

hahahaha

what a fucking bizarre press conference.. Blatantly lying to the public about purposely starting the fire..

ALSO WHY WAS THE MEDIA ASKED TO NOT COVER THE CABIN??
& WHY DID THEY GRANT THAT WISH..

SMH

Sometimes in hostage situations/bank robberies and other shit like that having the media there showing whats going on live lets the people inside (if they have a TV) see what law enforcement is doing outside

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

LAPD wasn't in charge of what happened in Big Bear. Big Bear is several hours away from LA.
To whoever asked about what people in LA think about LAPD now, I'd say it probably hasn't changed much. The people being blatantly oppressed by them in South and East LA still hate and distrust them, and white people in West LA pretend to be offended but secretly are happy that LAPD is doing everything possible to keep people of color in their place. Things may be a little closer to anti-police riot, but things are always towing that line anyway.