Do you support the Adidas skate program?

[Endless Toedrag]

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It makes me laugh a lot when people who are using technology made by big-name corporations like Apple/Sony/etc., who enjoy eating food made and sold by big-brand companies and restaurants, who driver cars made by billion-dollar companies, who have bank accounts with BoA/Chase/etc. , furnish their places with IKEA furniture, and own 99% of their shit from places that manufacture in Asia under shitty conditions suddenly decide that MOTHERFUCKING SHOES are the biggest problem in skateboarding today.  Never mind the thousand examples of hypocrisy you can find in the lives of these people if you could see how they live, we MUST STOP THE MADNESS OF BIG FOOTWEAR'S INFILTRATION OF SKATEBOARDING!  But, let's not talk about all that other stuff, because who is allowed to get their footwear in the skate game is some serious business that must be tended to immediately.

Cause-du-jour stuff, sooner or later, I can only hope they can look back and laugh about it the same way I'm laughing about this bullshit right now.  Sorry, guys, but it's just too good.  If you want to play that game, you'd better actually take it all the way, and I've never met anyone with the dedication to honestly support ONLY small independent companies in everything they do.  And, if it's ONLY skateboarding you care about being "down" with in this regard, it makes you an even bigger kook.  Everyone "sells out" sooner or later by buying something that doesn't make you feel all warm and mushy inside for who you're supporting, and the sooner we come to terms with it, the better.

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Cause du jour? Do you really think that people refusing to buy and talking shit about a company's involvement in skateboarding for at least a good 15 years is a cause du jour?
Your argument is really just a mark that you are a naive and stupid person for several reasons:
First- How does Ikea affect skateboarding? How about Apple? Neither do.
Second- This isn't about an overall world view about consumerism, its about the fact that companies like this affect our little subculture in direct ways. Direct ways that you, the idiot, clearly haven't thought about, which is why you look down upon others for their views- its because you don't understand them.
Third, the naivety of saying you either need to abndon all modern living or completely buy into the fucked up way we live, in the same way a person driving a hybrid instead of an SUV isn't a hypocrite, they are taking small steps within their ability and needs in a society that has been built around owning certain goods. I am required to own a computer for my job, and I think my job does more good than harm, so I get a computer. Would I prefer a world where computers and other technology are made in more humane conditions? Absolutely, and I'd buy the first one I could find. But here's the thing about not wanting adidas in skateboarding: it has NOTHING to do with ANY of that. In the end, both adidas and skater owned brands make their shit in slave conditions abroad, those two points are equal- and your argument seems to be "buy skateboarding shoes from a running shoe company or go barefoot" which hopefully you finally realize is fucking stupid. Don't be so goddamned ignorant.

And Nallid, Nike may have started in the U.S., and may be owned by shareholders in the U.S., but the manufacturing operation, which is essentially what a shoe company does, is all located in Malaysia. I think that's the argument going on. Technically both of you are right- Nike is owned by Americans who started the company in Oregon, but in no way is a purely American company

that was a sick burn former president reagan, sick burn.

[poor alice]

I'll buy Nike and Addidas shoes but not their SB's

[ben shraider]

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It makes me laugh a lot when people who are using technology made by big-name corporations like Apple/Sony/etc., who enjoy eating food made and sold by big-brand companies and restaurants, who driver cars made by billion-dollar companies, who have bank accounts with BoA/Chase/etc. , furnish their places with IKEA furniture, and own 99% of their shit from places that manufacture in Asia under shitty conditions suddenly decide that MOTHERFUCKING SHOES are the biggest problem in skateboarding today.  Never mind the thousand examples of hypocrisy you can find in the lives of these people if you could see how they live, we MUST STOP THE MADNESS OF BIG FOOTWEAR'S INFILTRATION OF SKATEBOARDING!  But, let's not talk about all that other stuff, because who is allowed to get their footwear in the skate game is some serious business that must be tended to immediately.

Cause-du-jour stuff, sooner or later, I can only hope they can look back and laugh about it the same way I'm laughing about this bullshit right now.  Sorry, guys, but it's just too good.  If you want to play that game, you'd better actually take it all the way, and I've never met anyone with the dedication to honestly support ONLY small independent companies in everything they do.  And, if it's ONLY skateboarding you care about being "down" with in this regard, it makes you an even bigger kook.  Everyone "sells out" sooner or later by buying something that doesn't make you feel all warm and mushy inside for who you're supporting, and the sooner we come to terms with it, the better.

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Cause du jour? Do you really think that people refusing to buy and talking shit about a company's involvement in skateboarding for at least a good 15 years is a cause du jour?
Your argument is really just a mark that you are a naive and stupid person for several reasons:
First- How does Ikea affect skateboarding? How about Apple? Neither do.
Second- This isn't about an overall world view about consumerism, its about the fact that companies like this affect our little subculture in direct ways. Direct ways that you, the idiot, clearly haven't thought about, which is why you look down upon others for their views- its because you don't understand them.
Third, the naivety of saying you either need to abndon all modern living or completely buy into the fucked up way we live, in the same way a person driving a hybrid instead of an SUV isn't a hypocrite, they are taking small steps within their ability and needs in a society that has been built around owning certain goods. I am required to own a computer for my job, and I think my job does more good than harm, so I get a computer. Would I prefer a world where computers and other technology are made in more humane conditions? Absolutely, and I'd buy the first one I could find. But here's the thing about not wanting adidas in skateboarding: it has NOTHING to do with ANY of that. In the end, both adidas and skater owned brands make their shit in slave conditions abroad, those two points are equal- and your argument seems to be "buy skateboarding shoes from a running shoe company or go barefoot" which hopefully you finally realize is fucking stupid. Don't be so goddamned ignorant.

And Nallid, Nike may have started in the U.S., and may be owned by shareholders in the U.S., but the manufacturing operation, which is essentially what a shoe company does, is all located in Malaysia. I think that's the argument going on. Technically both of you are right- Nike is owned by Americans who started the company in Oregon, but in no way is a purely American company

I still don't understand what's that major change these big companies are causing in skateboarding culture, and why people should be so emotional about it.

[assvogel]

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It makes me laugh a lot when people who are using technology made by big-name corporations like Apple/Sony/etc., who enjoy eating food made and sold by big-brand companies and restaurants, who driver cars made by billion-dollar companies, who have bank accounts with BoA/Chase/etc. , furnish their places with IKEA furniture, and own 99% of their shit from places that manufacture in Asia under shitty conditions suddenly decide that MOTHERFUCKING SHOES are the biggest problem in skateboarding today.  Never mind the thousand examples of hypocrisy you can find in the lives of these people if you could see how they live, we MUST STOP THE MADNESS OF BIG FOOTWEAR'S INFILTRATION OF SKATEBOARDING!  But, let's not talk about all that other stuff, because who is allowed to get their footwear in the skate game is some serious business that must be tended to immediately.

Cause-du-jour stuff, sooner or later, I can only hope they can look back and laugh about it the same way I'm laughing about this bullshit right now.  Sorry, guys, but it's just too good.  If you want to play that game, you'd better actually take it all the way, and I've never met anyone with the dedication to honestly support ONLY small independent companies in everything they do.  And, if it's ONLY skateboarding you care about being "down" with in this regard, it makes you an even bigger kook.  Everyone "sells out" sooner or later by buying something that doesn't make you feel all warm and mushy inside for who you're supporting, and the sooner we come to terms with it, the better.

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Cause du jour? Do you really think that people refusing to buy and talking shit about a company's involvement in skateboarding for at least a good 15 years is a cause du jour?
Your argument is really just a mark that you are a naive and stupid person for several reasons:
First- How does Ikea affect skateboarding? How about Apple? Neither do.
Second- This isn't about an overall world view about consumerism, its about the fact that companies like this affect our little subculture in direct ways. Direct ways that you, the idiot, clearly haven't thought about, which is why you look down upon others for their views- its because you don't understand them.
Third, the naivety of saying you either need to abndon all modern living or completely buy into the fucked up way we live, in the same way a person driving a hybrid instead of an SUV isn't a hypocrite, they are taking small steps within their ability and needs in a society that has been built around owning certain goods. I am required to own a computer for my job, and I think my job does more good than harm, so I get a computer. Would I prefer a world where computers and other technology are made in more humane conditions? Absolutely, and I'd buy the first one I could find. But here's the thing about not wanting adidas in skateboarding: it has NOTHING to do with ANY of that. In the end, both adidas and skater owned brands make their shit in slave conditions abroad, those two points are equal- and your argument seems to be "buy skateboarding shoes from a running shoe company or go barefoot" which hopefully you finally realize is fucking stupid. Don't be so goddamned ignorant.

And Nallid, Nike may have started in the U.S., and may be owned by shareholders in the U.S., but the manufacturing operation, which is essentially what a shoe company does, is all located in Malaysia. I think that's the argument going on. Technically both of you are right- Nike is owned by Americans who started the company in Oregon, but in no way is a purely American company

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I still don't understand what's that major change these big companies are causing in skateboarding culture, and why people should be so emotional about it.

I think the change comes from the fact that these huge companies like Adidas or Nike have seized such a large part of the skateboardingshoe sales in the last few years, that actual skateboardshoe-companies (whether it is sole tech, lakai, dekline etc)  are hurting for sales, when skateboarders (and even average-joes who might have bought a pair of lakais cos they looked nice) move from "core" brands to Adidas/Nike/NB/Converse etc.

And this in turn turns to less money for skateboardshoe companies, less money for their skaters, less people they can afford to sponsor, fewer models, fewer companies that can exist/thrive etc...

Of course this comes from an armchair analyst whos wearing Vans, so I might be completely full of shit, but thats how I see this situation.

[360 frip]

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It makes me laugh a lot when people who are using technology made by big-name corporations like Apple/Sony/etc., who enjoy eating food made and sold by big-brand companies and restaurants, who driver cars made by billion-dollar companies, who have bank accounts with BoA/Chase/etc. , furnish their places with IKEA furniture, and own 99% of their shit from places that manufacture in Asia under shitty conditions suddenly decide that MOTHERFUCKING SHOES are the biggest problem in skateboarding today.  Never mind the thousand examples of hypocrisy you can find in the lives of these people if you could see how they live, we MUST STOP THE MADNESS OF BIG FOOTWEAR'S INFILTRATION OF SKATEBOARDING!  But, let's not talk about all that other stuff, because who is allowed to get their footwear in the skate game is some serious business that must be tended to immediately.

Cause-du-jour stuff, sooner or later, I can only hope they can look back and laugh about it the same way I'm laughing about this bullshit right now.  Sorry, guys, but it's just too good.  If you want to play that game, you'd better actually take it all the way, and I've never met anyone with the dedication to honestly support ONLY small independent companies in everything they do.  And, if it's ONLY skateboarding you care about being "down" with in this regard, it makes you an even bigger kook.  Everyone "sells out" sooner or later by buying something that doesn't make you feel all warm and mushy inside for who you're supporting, and the sooner we come to terms with it, the better.

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Cause du jour? Do you really think that people refusing to buy and talking shit about a company's involvement in skateboarding for at least a good 15 years is a cause du jour?
Your argument is really just a mark that you are a naive and stupid person for several reasons:
First- How does Ikea affect skateboarding? How about Apple? Neither do.
Second- This isn't about an overall world view about consumerism, its about the fact that companies like this affect our little subculture in direct ways. Direct ways that you, the idiot, clearly haven't thought about, which is why you look down upon others for their views- its because you don't understand them.
Third, the naivety of saying you either need to abndon all modern living or completely buy into the fucked up way we live, in the same way a person driving a hybrid instead of an SUV isn't a hypocrite, they are taking small steps within their ability and needs in a society that has been built around owning certain goods. I am required to own a computer for my job, and I think my job does more good than harm, so I get a computer. Would I prefer a world where computers and other technology are made in more humane conditions? Absolutely, and I'd buy the first one I could find. But here's the thing about not wanting adidas in skateboarding: it has NOTHING to do with ANY of that. In the end, both adidas and skater owned brands make their shit in slave conditions abroad, those two points are equal- and your argument seems to be "buy skateboarding shoes from a running shoe company or go barefoot" which hopefully you finally realize is fucking stupid. Don't be so goddamned ignorant.

And Nallid, Nike may have started in the U.S., and may be owned by shareholders in the U.S., but the manufacturing operation, which is essentially what a shoe company does, is all located in Malaysia. I think that's the argument going on. Technically both of you are right- Nike is owned by Americans who started the company in Oregon, but in no way is a purely American company

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I still don't understand what's that major change these big companies are causing in skateboarding culture, and why people should be so emotional about it.

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I think the change comes from the fact that these huge companies like Adidas or Nike have seized such a large part of the skateboardingshoe sales in the last few years, that actual skateboardshoe-companies (whether it is sole tech, lakai, dekline etc)  are hurting for sales, when skateboarders (and even average-joes who might have bought a pair of lakais cos they looked nice) move from "core" brands to Adidas/Nike/NB/Converse etc.

And this in turn turns to less money for skateboardshoe companies, less money for their skaters, less people they can afford to sponsor, fewer models, fewer companies that can exist/thrive etc...

Of course this comes from an armchair analyst whos wearing Vans, so I might be completely full of shit, but thats how I see this situation.

Part of the reason that Nike and Adidas were let in was the smaller shoe manufacturers fault. Early to mid 2000s companies like soletech and Lakai's quality seemed to drop and a fair few shoes were unskatable.

Vans is also the same as Adidas and Nike except they make worst quality shoes.

[Matze]

gotta admit that a couple of my skate buddies were sponsored by adidas and somehow I was on flow for quiet a time ... called the "gimme 10 bucks for this shoe I skated for a week"  program. can't say anything bad about them besides the fact that they're not skater owned.

[clemsausage]

I've been adidas loyal for the past like 5 years at least. I'm so down for them. Now that they have dudes like Mulhern behind a lot of their video stuff too is just making it more enjoyable. I'm really impressed with how much they hold down their international team too, probably more than any other shoe company out right now, I mean hell they made an entire international video. Not to mention almost every season that has come out recently there is an international rider's colorway.

Some of you may have seen my thread in the shoes forum, my big gripe with them right now is that it seem like they have discontinued the ronan, which is my favorite shoe they have done since the classic vulc.

[heritage]

I've been adidas loyal for the past like 5 years at least. I'm so down for them. Now that they have dudes like Mulhern behind a lot of their video stuff too is just making it more enjoyable. I'm really impressed with how much they hold down their international team too, probably more than any other shoe company out right now, I mean hell they made an entire international video. Not to mention almost every season that has come out recently there is an international rider's colorway.

Some of you may have seen my thread in the shoes forum, my big gripe with them right now is that it seem like they have discontinued the ronan, which is my favorite shoe they have done since the classic vulc.

Agreed. Any time this question comes up I answer it the same way. Adidas has such a raw and diverse team and they also happen to sponsor two of my favorite skaters in Buz and Silas. They also kill it with their series of web edits. So from a purely consumer standpoint, I'm not too proud to say that yes, I've bought in to what they are doing. In my mind as a skateboarder, they've made a lot of great moves. And as Clem says, they bring in Mulhern to bolster what they're doing visually which is another solid move.

I don't normally wear Adidas shoes as my first choice, but I've purchased and skated in the Buz, Silas and Seeley Mid. As well as stuff from Silas apparel line.

[art hellman]

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I've been adidas loyal for the past like 5 years at least. I'm so down for them. Now that they have dudes like Mulhern behind a lot of their video stuff too is just making it more enjoyable. I'm really impressed with how much they hold down their international team too, probably more than any other shoe company out right now, I mean hell they made an entire international video. Not to mention almost every season that has come out recently there is an international rider's colorway.

Some of you may have seen my thread in the shoes forum, my big gripe with them right now is that it seem like they have discontinued the ronan, which is my favorite shoe they have done since the classic vulc.

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Agreed. Any time this question comes up I answer it the same way. Adidas has such a raw and diverse team and they also happen to sponsor two of my favorite skaters in Buz and Silas. They also kill it with their series of web edits. So from a purely consumer standpoint, I'm not too proud to say that yes, I've bought in to what they are doing. In my mind as a skateboarder, they've made a lot of great moves. And as Clem says, they bring in Mulhern to bolster what they're doing visually which is another solid move.

I don't normally wear Adidas shoes as my first choice, but I've purchased and skated in the Buz, Silas and Seeley Mid. As well as stuff from Silas apparel line.

This...although, I'm not going to apologize for spending my money on the shoes I want to wear.  In fact, I do wear Adidas as my first choice...and anytime I've strayed since their re-introduction to the market, I have ultimately been disappointed. 

And yes, they make the best clips and have my favorite team.

[Randozzi]

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No.

Make all the justifications you want, they're no different.  Fuck at least Nike is a home grown American company.

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hahaha you are really stupid aren`t you

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http://www.adidas-group.com/en/group/history/

or

http://nikeinc.com/pages/history-heritage

Really, I must be. Since I'm stupid, could you explain to me why?

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here's a clue

[Monkey_Mcpott]

Never bought a pair, but they are helping busenitz make a living off skating as he continuous to produce amazing footage for us, so that's a good thing.

[Jack Wong]

Best of the worst.

Great team, and for what it's worth I like how Juice Design does their videos.  But I agree with Reagan on the corporate aspect.  I back their program but they're not getting money from me.

[gnarcinogen]

I support dreaming about sex.