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Im skating the lowtops of these right now and they tear up somewhat quickly. The ollie patch is only stitched on so when the stitches tear it lifts up so I just put a little super glue under the ollie patch to hold it down and its fine now. The insole on my low tops is very very thin so I replaced it with some old vans pro insoles but lost a lot of boardfeel. And they also make a suede version of these that my shop has http://plusskateshop.com/ProdDetails.asp?dbBrandID=62&dbCategoryID=16&dbProductID=38377