Mark Oblow is a certified KOOK

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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!

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 Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,


Lets look at those numbers again 

armed military/civil authority                            3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with      320,000,000+

with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.

But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?

It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.

This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.

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You say rational a lot while fantasizing.

The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.

So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.

And in case you missed it the first time

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/

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  My passport is caked in ink don't assume that just because I prefer America don't mean I haven't been abroad.The UK is violent as shit and there are Cameras everyfucking where Orwell rolls in his grave. All over Europe the migrant Crisis is turning once beautiful cities into slums and Sweden is now popularly known as the rape capital of the world. So yeah if my wife was walking around after work and missed her train should she just get raped? Or should she pull a 9mm. Government tyranny is one thing what about the tyranny of the individual? Again play it through.

 And like the Japan idiot what is the economic/cultural demographic land mass and population make up of these "other peaceful democracies with relatively unarmed populations" Nothing Like Ours? Can you not look at America for what it is without these bullshit comparisons that make no sense?

You don’t know how to argue, do you?

My points all reference tyranny and democracy in government, yet when you can’t refute that, you change the topic to crime.

Admit you don’t have a point or don’t bother replying.

As for your last point, populations like ours? Younger countries based on European democratic principles with a mixed cultural population and a history of colonialism and genocide against the indigenous people?

Fine. Australia and Canada. Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US.

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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.

I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.

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Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

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Japan.

Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.

Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.

Democracy does not spring from arming the population.

Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/

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Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?

Aah yes, the ‘racialist’ argument. Sorry, this is about guns, not national make up.

Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?

It’s getting there.

Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?

We are talking about ‘needing guns to protect from tyrannical government’ which I’ve shown is bullshit.

You don’t want to respond to that, so you disingenuously change the topic to ‘we need guns because we don’t live in a racially pure society’, which is a totally different (yet equally idiotic) argument.

But just to educate you, yes, there is the fucking Yakuza, and tons of cults, like the Aum Shin Rikyo, that launched poison gas attacks.

And yes, Japan is not as racially diverse as it seems, just 100 years ago there were racially-charged riots after an earthquake, where the locals tried to murder the Korean community.

Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?

No, they are very different.
Not in small part because OF THE NUMBER OF FUCKING GUNS AND A CULTURE OF USING THEM

We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia

Neither have the Japanese. Except for a few hundred years there the country was closed, there was lots of trade and cultural exchange with neighboring countries

You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.

Let me finish that sentence for you

WE NEED MOAR GUNZZZ

We are talking about the relationship between civilian-held guns and democracy, which you say is essential, but the evidence shows otherwise.

And I did give you an example of an organized, armed group that didn’t stand a chance against government pressure.

Fuckwit indeed.

Now, you are coming close to making a point about cultural norms, but you are so far up your own ass with using only the most extreme examples of everything, I can’t trust you to make a reasoned argument.

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[Ocelot]

why are people bringing up japan?

most Americans wouldn't last a year over there anyway


this whole thread started out by calling out Oblow as a narcissistic kook who made a big deal out of some virtue signaling - it was literally a beta/alpha meme that cop taking the guns off him, lol

keep it on track boys

[shannamal]

who would have guessed that "slap takes on gun control" would go poorly

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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!

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 Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,


Lets look at those numbers again 

armed military/civil authority                            3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with      320,000,000+

with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.

But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?

It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.

This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.

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You say rational a lot while fantasizing.

The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.

So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.

And in case you missed it the first time

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/

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  My passport is caked in ink don't assume that just because I prefer America don't mean I haven't been abroad.The UK is violent as shit and there are Cameras everyfucking where Orwell rolls in his grave. All over Europe the migrant Crisis is turning once beautiful cities into slums and Sweden is now popularly known as the rape capital of the world. So yeah if my wife was walking around after work and missed her train should she just get raped? Or should she pull a 9mm. Government tyranny is one thing what about the tyranny of the individual? Again play it through.

 And like the Japan idiot what is the economic/cultural demographic land mass and population make up of these "other peaceful democracies with relatively unarmed populations" Nothing Like Ours? Can you not look at America for what it is without these bullshit comparisons that make no sense?

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You don’t know how to argue, do you?

Canada a place where you can go to jail for misgendering a tranny not tyrannical at all

My points all reference tyranny and democracy in government, yet when you can’t refute that, you change the topic to crime.

Admit you don’t have a point or don’t bother replying.

As for your last point, populations like ours? Younger countries based on European democratic principles with a mixed cultural population and a history of colonialism and genocide against the indigenous people?

Fine. Australia and Canada. Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US.

 Nope I don't know how to argue, I didn't change the subject I just expanded it noting that other countries have other problems simply because there are no guns.  And that they have a completely different socio economic make up, so it's you who are using false equivalency. Do you know what the home invasion rate in America is vs oh I dunno everywhere? it's incomparable because knowing that there might be a gun owner deters the event from even taking place. 

"Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US."

Your own words condemn you.

Violent cultures don't need guns to be violent you obviously have not been to any urban centers in the UK.
Again it's Cultural.
How about South Africa fuckwit?

Canada a place where you can be jailed for misgendering a tranny? Nope not tyrannical at all , no government overreach there.  Have you been to Canada or met any Canadians? They Made Leonard Cohen, Gordon Lightfoot, and Neil Young.

We Made NWA and Snoop Dog, 50 cent and two chains, How fucking regular are you?
Completely different Cultures.

Australia ?

Australia did not ban ALL guns. There are more guns in circulation in Australia today than before gun control.
Nearly all of Australia’s mass shootings occurred in the 20 years before their gun buyback. It’s thus misleading to claim that mass shootings were common in Australia’s history – until gun control.
The majority of Australia’s mass public shootings have been committed with firearms that were never banned.

You have abandoned all logic with worthless idiotic comparisons.
We are an Empire in decline and you are bringing up countries of little to no consequence on the world stage.
Total and utter sophistry.









 

[GAY]

Whorific vs. Cucktard reminds me of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle.

[os89]

[hip bruise]

Slap is really at its best engaging these weighty societal issues

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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.

I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.

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Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

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Japan.

Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.

Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.

Democracy does not spring from arming the population.

Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/

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Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.

damn.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education

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[h00man]

I think the main thing to get from this thread is that America is a shit place

[Suave]

sure, it's a lot but if you figured out how to fix a couple of rough black cities we'd be a whole lot more peaceful to look at.
whether you blame poverty, rap culture or whatever, that's the bulk of the murders but as long as it's impolitic to mention it's unlikely to change.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/

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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.

I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.

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Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

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Japan.

Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.

Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.

Democracy does not spring from arming the population.

Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/

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Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.

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damn.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education

 You live in a nation barely older than me built literally on top of another nation surrounded by dare I say maybe other than North Korea the absolute least democratic region on the planet you don't have guns but you have a wall (because those don't work and are racist right?) and suicide bombers everywhere and homemade missiles so again peeps who want to kill gonna kill gun or no. Horrible argument. But I feel for you man hang in there yeah who needs guns with improvised explosives? Fuck.

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sure, it's a lot but if you figured out how to fix a couple of rough black cities we'd be a whole lot more peaceful to look at.
whether you blame poverty, rap culture or whatever, that's the bulk of the murders but as long as it's impolitic to mention it's unlikely to change.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/

And that suicide rate is off the hook because of little to no Vet care , it's super sad.

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coulda gave up his guns back when Trayvon was a thing?

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Guy who made this graph was just sitting there thinkin “how do I make 3.2 in 100000 look as big as I possibly can?”

And cucktard leaning on that non biased “the Atlantic,” article so hard, “in case you missed it...”

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Guy who made this graph was just sitting there thinkin “how do I make 3.2 in 100000 look as big as I possibly can?”

And cucktard leaning on that non biased “the Atlantic,” article so hard, “in case you missed it...”

Had to go to DM's cause his "argument" was being destroyed so hard publicly.
Basic stuff any child can see if they bothered to look
HMM I wonder if North Korean would be like it is had the citizenry been armed?
Or the fact that Canadians actually are being threatened with Jail time for mis gendering their own children.
Or that America is insanely non violent if you bother to actually compare it to the rest of the world.
More people get killed with Guns when there is access to Guns , No shit guns are an effective killing tool
More people gonna get killed with machetes when too when you live in a third world shithole where no one can afford a gun and by the way news flash killers gonna kill
obviously common sense ain't too common
if you are alone and don't value your life that's fine but if you have a wife and kids in this clown world and you are not packing you're are irresponsible at best. One of these crazy fucks comes around where I live? they would be pumped full of lead from 4 different sides within seconds hell I'd be more worried about friendly crossfire.

[cucktard]

Geez, you are disingenuous.

I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.

Post the whole convo here if you like.

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Geez, you are disingenuous.

I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.

Post the whole convo here if you like.

You made it between you and me because I kept refuting you with facts
and then you quit DM ing  when you had no more BS to spin
please do refute away let's start with North Korea
and the Canadian threats of jail time for father a properly gendering his own daughter who has jumped on the latest trans fad.
I can do this all day, reason is on my side.
all you got is feels.
if you feel so strongly about it and that you have some truth, shine light on it in the public square.
peeps will read or not just like any other stupid topic on here you just ran out of BS.

You think citizens should not be armed to protect for tyranny.
I offer up all the 3rd worlds shitholes or Communist/Socialist/Fascists ,totalitarian dictatorship throughout history that an armed citizenry could have prevented and you got squat.

I'm tired of beating my head against a wall I feel like and Eskimo arguing with a Vegan
your idealistic shit don't work in the real world bruh.

[shannamal]

how do i delete someone elses thread

[cucktard]

Ok, last comment out of me and I’ll quit feeding the fire.

Whorific, hypothetical situations like “What if... had guns” do not count as facts.

And a single law where no one has been charged, nor is likely to be charged is not a tyrrany.

Stay safe.

Bye.

[Cool Ceith]

Oh Noam he didn't. Chomsky on this. Etc.

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Ok, last comment out of me and I’ll quit feeding the fire.

Whorific, hypothetical situations like “What is ... had guns” do not count as facts.

And a single law where no one has been charged, nor is likely to be charged is not a tyrrany.

Stay safe.

Bye.

 The oppression and death of countless peoples across the centuries as well as globe would have been prevented if they were armed is not a hypothetical it's a fact in that's how violent revolutions work, the masses arm themselves and throw out their rulers this is why tyrannical rulers disarm their peoples. If you do not "believe" that you are blinded by your idealism and immune to logic.

 A Man was recently fined $55,000 in Canada for calling a man a man if he refused to pay as it is absurd on it's face he would be thrown in jail it's only a matter of time and yes fining a man an absurd amount under threat of jail for saying a man is a man is tyranny. If the party says 2+2 =5 and you disagree you go to jail? is an affront to his sanity and his liberty.

So again history, logic, and facts refute your feels.

[PABLOS SWANPOWERS LOBSTER]

It really is a complex issue.

I truly believe there is no win/win either way

You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.

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Geez, you are disingenuous.

I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.

Post the whole convo here if you like.

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You made it between you and me because I kept refuting you with facts
and then you quit DM ing  when you had no more BS to spin
please do refute away let's start with North Korea
and the Canadian threats of jail time for father a properly gendering his own daughter who has jumped on the latest trans fad.
I can do this all day, reason is on my side.
all you got is feels.
if you feel so strongly about it and that you have some truth, shine light on it in the public square.
peeps will read or not just like any other stupid topic on here you just ran out of BS.

You think citizens should not be armed to protect for tyranny.
I offer up all the 3rd worlds shitholes or Communist/Socialist/Fascists ,totalitarian dictatorship throughout history that an armed citizenry could have prevented and you got squat.

I'm tired of beating my head against a wall I feel like and Eskimo arguing with a Vegan
your idealistic shit don't work in the real world bruh.

What level of education have you achieved?

[Chim Richalds]

I think the main thing to get from this thread is that America is a shit place

If you live here, you're free to leave. If you don't, your opinion on this doesn't matter.

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It really is a complex issue.

I truly believe there is no win/win either way

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You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.

 I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.

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It really is a complex issue.

I truly believe there is no win/win either way

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You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.

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If you don't live in America and can't vote in our elections, your opinions on these matters are meaningless.

It'd be cool if you held your fellow countrymen to the same standard

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It really is a complex issue.

I truly believe there is no win/win either way

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You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.

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If you don't live in America and can't vote in our elections, your opinions on these matters are meaningless.

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It'd be cool if you held your fellow countrymen to the same standard

Don't worry, I'm not a Republican. The government has been corrupt longer than I've been alive, just getting sick of people chiming in and judging when they haven't even stepped foot on this continent. I've seen you post charts and graphs twice now. I can see you're a detail oriented guy. Welcome to Slap. I'd say Shalom but that actually has a really dark meaning to it here.