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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2019, 01:21:15 PM »
Had some time today so I went through the filings to create a timeline.

+ March 2018: Matthew Wendler ("W") and Jamie Thomas ("JT") meet at Tampa Pro.

+ December 9, 2018: W White Knights for JT on Instagram, squabbling with Baltimore-based Carpet Company over their use of a Zero Skull logo for a deck graphic. Let the record reflect that the original Zero tees were a blatant rip off of a popular Smashing Pumpkins design.

+ December 24, 2018: JT alleges W sends $15,138 "unsolicited," and that W suggested he make him a grab bag of product totaling that price.

+ January 11, 2019: W alleges JT offers the sale of a complete set of Mystery decks.

+ January 2019: JT initiates discussions on sale of Garage Days, including the website and inventory, less $20,000 (MSRP) in stock, in exchange for a down payment of $55,000, the remainder of the price to be paid in installments, w/ interest. W alleges deal also included a right of first refusal to purchase any decks from JT's collection. (Right of first refusal means you get an opportunity to purchase the good before all other potential buyers.) W alleges he was told he could purchase Zero product at wholesale, for a startup business, and that the decks would be signed by pros for $50-100 apiece, which later raised to $250.

+ February 12, 2019: W asks JT for a guarantee that the set includes one of each Mystery board, JT allegedly replies that the set is not complete.

+ February 14, 2019: W & JT discuss purchase of a set of approximately 300 decks located in Australia, purchased wholesale from a distributor for $5,000. W alleges JT promised to purchase them, and, less some decks for JT's personal collection, convey the remainder to W.

+ February 27, 2019: W allegedly conveys the agreed upon $5k to JT for purchase of Australian collection. W also claims that he spoke to the Australian collector, and that JT purchased the decks for $5,000.

+ March 2019: Under JT's direction, W meets a professional skateboarder at Tampa Pro, who is paid $370 to sign product for W. W alleges JT shipped incomplete Mystery Collection, asks for more money to fill gaps.

+ April 22, 2019: JT announces Garage Days Collection sold, W alleges "most of" the down payment was paid, but that he was already concerned about non-performance. W alleges JT said he was under "financial pressure" due to a personal issue, and needed more money. In response, W asks JT to guarantee in writing he's not withholding product. Around this time, boards start appearing on the Garage Days eBay account at prices beyond the alleged agreement w/ W.

+ April 27,2019: JT mentions "shelving" the Garage Days transaction, offers to refund W $3,000, W refuses. JT says Garage Days transaction off the table. JT suggests W should agree to new terms as conflict would work to the disadvantage of W's proposed startup, since JT is the established pro and W is some guy in Florida who really liked Mystery.

+ May 17, 2019: 2,434 lbs of product ship from Crossroads to W. Likely not good for JT's case and his assertion that Florida is not the proper venue, when he shipped an actual ton of product to Broward County.

+ June 15, 2019: W inspects shipment, sends JT accounting of allegedly missing product. W asserts he received 30% of promised decks, very little clothing, no shoes, no DVDs.

+ June 17, 2019: JT mails W a "chomp on this" sprayed sheet of griptape.

+ Much of the action since has centered on a dispute over venue. W sued JT in Florida and wants the case to proceed there, JT claims Florida isn't the proper spot, and that all of his communications with W were never as himself, but rather on behalf of Crossroads LLC. Also says the agreement for Garage Days sale was never complete because (1) loan terms were never finalized; and (2) goods never insured.

+ Beyond just generally feeling ripped off, W bases a lot of his legal argument around the idea that he'd planned a business where this wholesale purchase was going to allow him to launch, so by breaching the contract, JT has caused material and financial losses to that business. He thinks that his ideas for revamping the GDC website qualify as "trade secrets".

+ Taking the situation in sum, what W wanted to really buy was legitimacy. He loved being in close proximity to someone he admired, and then believed that this deal could be his ticket into the skate industry. W thought he had a personal connection with JT, ignored red flags, and made a lot of wild decisions thinking they had a real relationship. Paying $55,000 + more for GDC was crazy enough, but look at the $15,138 he sent for product he hadn't even picked out. That's not a rational decision. Neither is continuing to proceed with deals and send funds when the terms of your previous agreements still aren't satisfied.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #271 on: September 23, 2019, 01:28:18 PM »
When reached for comment, JT's lawyer commented "Hoody Hoo"
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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #272 on: September 23, 2019, 01:40:50 PM »
When reached for comment, JT's lawyer commented "Hoody Hoo"

W’s response was a snarky “damn it all.”

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #273 on: September 24, 2019, 09:41:44 PM »
Thanks n0torious. I had held off reading most of this thread and your summary just paid off.

The thing I can't get my head around is why on earth anybody would want so much Zero/Mystery/Fallen product. Like who would want a complete collection of Mystery boards? I have various collections and hobbies myself but this is just beyond strange

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #274 on: September 24, 2019, 09:56:35 PM »
Thanks n0torious. I had held off reading most of this thread and your summary just paid off.

The thing I can't get my head around is why on earth anybody would want so much Zero/Mystery/Fallen product. Like who would want a complete collection of Mystery boards? I have various collections and hobbies myself but this is just beyond strange

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #275 on: September 25, 2019, 03:56:38 AM »
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Thanks n0torious. I had held off reading most of this thread and your summary just paid off.

The thing I can't get my head around is why on earth anybody would want so much Zero/Mystery/Fallen product. Like who would want a complete collection of Mystery boards? I have various collections and hobbies myself but this is just beyond strange
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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #276 on: September 25, 2019, 08:24:13 AM »

+ May 17, 2019: 2,434 lbs of product ship from Crossroads to W. Likely not good for JT's case and his assertion that Florida is not the proper venue, when he shipped an actual ton of product to Broward County.

This part made me laugh.
You should do investigate reporting or something—this was a super concise rundown of a total clusterfuck.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #277 on: September 25, 2019, 08:25:42 AM »
I love this part:

"+ June 17, 2019: JT mails W a "chomp on this" sprayed sheet of griptape."
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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #278 on: September 25, 2019, 09:00:43 AM »
chief blew it there definitely is not a single person on earth besides him and the guy suing him that would want a mystery board let alone pay for it.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #279 on: September 25, 2019, 10:31:52 AM »
I wonder if JT thought that chomp on this griptape would smooth everything over and make this all go away?

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #280 on: September 25, 2019, 11:12:14 AM »
Thanks guys. I skimmed the filings and couldn't make sense of what the hell happened - the filings frequently jump time periods. W structures his brief around the three separate deals, but doesn't consistently describe events with dates. The writing's generally a mess. Where there's a clear dispute of facts I used "allegedly," and the majority of the narrative comes from W.

The elements of a contract are (1) an offer; (2) acceptance; (3) consideration; (4) mutuality of obligation; (5) competency and capacity; and sometimes (6) a written instrument. Clearly there is some form of 1 through 4, although not in all of the transactions, and maybe 6, although you assume W would've produced it by now...maybe he's waiting for discovery? And they're both competent (legally speaking) and have capacity to enter these deals.

Some additional thoughts:
+ W never clarifies the total purchase price for GDC, or the Mystery deal, weird because he includes a lot of other financial details. That's instrumental to his case and it's nowhere to be found. That suggest that the deal might not have been finalized when he sent $55,000 to JT, which, yikes. Sending the money is consideration, but it doesn't necessarily form a contract because you also need acceptance. People aren't obligated to perform just because you send them money. On the flipside, if JT accepted the money, which he clearly did, he also was taking on an obligation to perform. So his suggestion that the deal couldn't be finalized without insurance and an interest rate is dubious.

+ JT only addresses GDC and ignores the Mystery and Australia deals. Looks bad. Either the facts he knows aren't helpful to him, and/or he's trying to buy time - seems likely as he's filing for continuances. Settlement might be difficult because JT appears to have sold items W really wanted, and if he wasn't having serious cash flow problems, he probably steers clear of this mess.

+ This whole situation is thoroughly pathetic. Some guy in Florida found a warehouse, purchased professional storage equipment, and planned a business around brands long out of vogue. The affidavit from his girlfriend about the griptape made my skin crawl - why drag her into this? W is clearly extremely bitter and hurt that his hero took advantage of him, but he mostly played himself. He spent $75,000+ trying to buy his way into an early aughts fantasy camp. Same for JT. Whatever you think of him now, JT was a legend who built an empire. Now he's reduced to selling his stale vision to a disinterested marketplace, living in the past, and ripping off a fanboy who, like Pete said, was one of the only people who gave a damn about him. Sad!

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #281 on: September 25, 2019, 11:58:49 AM »
JT was a legend who built an empire. Now he's reduced to selling his stale vision to a disinterested marketplace, living in the past, and ripping off a fanboy who, like Pete said, was one of the only people who gave a damn about him. Sad!

Divorces aren't cheap. Chief's trying to collect those funds.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #282 on: September 25, 2019, 12:05:14 PM »
I wonder if JT thought that chomp on this griptape would smooth everything over and make this all go away?

Or

Chomp on that, chump!

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #283 on: September 25, 2019, 12:13:23 PM »
When Jamie first put up his Camero for sale I knew shit was going south. He loved that car. Sad to see it all come down like this. He's stilling killing it on a board tho. As for "W".... whatever man. Wanna play a game of skate for 50k?

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #284 on: September 25, 2019, 01:40:50 PM »
Divorces aren't cheap. Chief's trying to collect those funds.

You answered my question...I wondered if there was a divorce behind all this erratic behavior.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #285 on: September 25, 2019, 03:36:28 PM »
I wonder if JT thought that chomp on this griptape would smooth everything over and make this all go away?

I can't see how it wouldn't smooth everything over.

Also who mentioned divorce? Is that a thing?

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #286 on: September 25, 2019, 04:17:51 PM »
When Jamie first put up his Camero for sale I knew shit was going south. He loved that car. Sad to see it all come down like this. He's stilling killing it on a board tho. As for "W".... whatever man. Wanna play a game of skate for 50k?
hahah what bro? thats some shit W would say...

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #287 on: September 27, 2019, 01:44:43 AM »
this got good again. if someone made a doc about 10/10 being a nazi, maybe a fan could tackle this?

-get both sides of the story from the sources
-cut to footage of the mystery decks in question after showing what W paid for them to show the absurdity of the situation
-maybe get them in front of a judge(or just someone versed in law, bonus if theyre a recognizable face in skating(could be hard to find)) at the end to solve it once and for all
-if possible get a shot of jamie saying goodbye to the camaro that he loved so dear(suppose it would have to be a recreation) in there somewhere

just brainstorming here. there are no bad ideas

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #288 on: September 27, 2019, 08:14:06 AM »
When did ISUCK! stop posting on here? I remember him on here all the time for years

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #289 on: September 27, 2019, 10:26:36 AM »
Scene from the Jamie Thomas biopic:


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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #290 on: September 27, 2019, 10:38:01 AM »
When Jamie first put up his Camero for sale I knew shit was going south. He loved that car. Sad to see it all come down like this. He's stilling killing it on a board tho. As for "W".... whatever man. Wanna play a game of skate for 50k?
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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #291 on: September 27, 2019, 12:45:26 PM »
Has it already been covered ( also they people posting laws and seem like they understand lawyer world more than I do I hoping a response from one of you.) how did wendler a lawyer get himself in such a dumb situation shouldn’t he have had more knowledge to avoid this than a normal average person.
Many lawyers put themselves in "situations" that they believe or know they can win based on cases that they've already studied or litigated. Wendler may have litigated/won a similar case for a client already, and may know that there is precedence for a judgment in his favor.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #292 on: September 27, 2019, 04:18:15 PM »
this got good again. if someone made a doc about 10/10 being a nazi, maybe a fan could tackle this?

-get both sides of the story from the sources
-cut to footage of the mystery decks in question after showing what W paid for them to show the absurdity of the situation
-maybe get them in front of a judge(or just someone versed in law, bonus if theyre a recognizable face in skating(could be hard to find)) at the end to solve it once and for all
-if possible get a shot of jamie saying goodbye to the camaro that he loved so dear(suppose it would have to be a recreation) in there somewhere

just brainstorming here. there are no bad ideas
Like Pals Questions mixed with People's Court. Plaintiff and Defendant sign contracts stating that, whatever the results, they are binding. All the many lawyers here will argue and preside over the case and then after everyone has had time to decide, there will be a poll. As much of the trial will be taped and edited down to be posted on Youtube. Somehow, Fred Gall wins the case.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #293 on: September 27, 2019, 05:21:20 PM »
how did wendler a lawyer get himself in such a dumb situation shouldn’t he have had more knowledge to avoid this than a normal average person.

Lawyers are often dumb. He got drunk on interacting with one of his heroes, and treated a series of (deeply weird) business transactions like a friendship.

Jamie will never agree to participate in the documentary...so who's going to play him in the dramatic reenactments?

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #294 on: September 29, 2019, 11:11:38 PM »
W’s case has teeth.

It’s not only K breach, it’s fraud and tortious interference. He’s allowed to plead in the alternative and does exactly that.

This survives 12B6 and definitely opens up discovery.

JT’s move. 

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #295 on: September 30, 2019, 08:41:05 AM »
Jamie will never agree to participate in the documentary...so who's going to play him in the dramatic reenactments?

Zurg and I submit for your consideration...


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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #296 on: September 30, 2019, 08:56:28 AM »
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Jamie will never agree to participate in the documentary...so who's going to play him in the dramatic reenactments?
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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #298 on: October 13, 2019, 10:58:10 AM »
I don't live that far from Plantation. Do you think Jamie would invite me? Like a guest plus one deal.

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Re: Jamie Thomas savage asfffff thread deleted?
« Reply #299 on: October 13, 2019, 11:25:59 AM »
what is jamie's legacy at this point?