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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #180 on: July 26, 2019, 07:38:16 PM »
When neighborhood median income rises, violent crime rates and narcotic offenses drop as does vandalism and petty theft. Local businesses have been boarded up for years and most that were actually profitable are moreso now.  The owner of the local yoga studio actually bought the laundromat too, where they run free laundry service for the homeless and also free alterations for any clothing people are using to go to a job interview.  It really sucks to have less sporadic gunshots.

I live in a gentrifying area and people are coming in of all colors here. The older residents I've spoken to don't give a fuck because there aren't trap houses or prostitution dens anymore and people can not have their cars stolen if they park on the street. What's changed is that people actually respect for and care for where they live. The park isn't full of litter after dice games and the gutters aren't lined with trash from people eating fast food after the club closes.

But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #181 on: July 26, 2019, 09:28:20 PM »
When neighborhood median income rises, violent crime rates and narcotic offenses drop as does vandalism and petty theft. Local businesses have been boarded up for years and most that were actually profitable are moreso now.  The owner of the local yoga studio actually bought the laundromat too, where they run free laundry service for the homeless and also free alterations for any clothing people are using to go to a job interview.  It really sucks to have less sporadic gunshots.

But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #182 on: July 27, 2019, 12:03:43 AM »
But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
Do you have any idea what intersectionality is?

Gentrification in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing--it can be good for all parties involved. I live in Logan Square, Chicago so that technically makes me a gentrifier since I'm not Puerto Rican and middle-income. The difference is me and my roommates never once spent money at the gentrified-ass fake Mexican restaurant on our block that yuppies flock to for some reason, i.e. where you spend your dollars matters in the big picture nearly as much as actual housing. Not saying economic development is bad for communities because we all know it's not, but these developments ought to reflect the community and its interests because they were there first. If a hundred middle-class white people move to X neighborhood and buy all their groceries from the supermercado at the end of the block, their clothes from the thrift store a 15-min walk away, and go to the bar down the street that's been there 30 years, the community would--economically speaking; as cultural considerations also come into play--exist as it were before, if not better.

Still, the main problem is that there's no rent control and people get priced out. Even if families can continue to afford rent, who's to say they can afford to keep buying groceries in their own neighborhood? Not to mention culture which has persisted in communities for decades can get wiped clean in a matter of years at most (I live in Chicago, this is what's happening in Pilsen currently, see also: Humboldt Park, Logan Square, Wicker Park, Bronzeville, etc etc). Of course gentrification doesn't have an inherent racial basis, but labor and class intersect with race thanks to the institution of racism and existence of a de-jure-then-de-facto-but-still-secretly-de-jure racial hierarchy. That's why when we talk about gentrification it always ends up as a conversation about race because most people that live in cheap neighborhoods are black and brown.

I accidentally wrote this at 2am so hopefully it's readable

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #183 on: July 27, 2019, 07:26:21 AM »
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gentrification in skateboarder form
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not really
him being literate doesn't prevent illiterate people from skateboarding

it feels like it's the other way around sometimes in skateboarding.
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what even is gentrification these days
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Gentrification is when white people say 'this area is shit, make it nice' about lower-cost, often minority neighborhoods where residents have lived and possibly thrived for generations prior then someone comes in and adds a whole foods, some yoga studios, and yuppies move in and drive the cost of living up, displacing current residents. Then people say 'I liked it rugged before, you shouldn't have made it nice.'
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You seem a little confused about the whole process, so I revised your original post for both content and clarity. Let me know if you have any questions about the whole thing.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #184 on: July 27, 2019, 07:56:09 AM »
Soooooo, does anybody want to upload that video instead of educating us what gentifrication is?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #185 on: July 27, 2019, 08:49:55 AM »
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But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
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Do you have any idea what intersectionality is?

Gentrification in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing--it can be good for all parties involved. I live in Logan Square, Chicago so that technically makes me a gentrifier since I'm not Puerto Rican and middle-income. The difference is me and my roommates never once spent money at the gentrified-ass fake Mexican restaurant on our block that yuppies flock to for some reason, i.e. where you spend your dollars matters in the big picture nearly as much as actual housing. Not saying economic development is bad for communities because we all know it's not, but these developments ought to reflect the community and its interests because they were there first. If a hundred middle-class white people move to X neighborhood and buy all their groceries from the supermercado at the end of the block, their clothes from the thrift store a 15-min walk away, and go to the bar down the street that's been there 30 years, the community would--economically speaking; as cultural considerations also come into play--exist as it were before, if not better.



so are you a gentrifier or not?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #186 on: July 27, 2019, 08:57:45 AM »
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But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
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Do you have any idea what intersectionality is?

Gentrification in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing--it can be good for all parties involved. I live in Logan Square, Chicago so that technically makes me a gentrifier since I'm not Puerto Rican and middle-income. The difference is me and my roommates never once spent money at the gentrified-ass fake Mexican restaurant on our block that yuppies flock to for some reason, i.e. where you spend your dollars matters in the big picture nearly as much as actual housing. Not saying economic development is bad for communities because we all know it's not, but these developments ought to reflect the community and its interests because they were there first. If a hundred middle-class white people move to X neighborhood and buy all their groceries from the supermercado at the end of the block, their clothes from the thrift store a 15-min walk away, and go to the bar down the street that's been there 30 years, the community would--economically speaking; as cultural considerations also come into play--exist as it were before, if not better.

Still, the main problem is that there's no rent control and people get priced out. Even if families can continue to afford rent, who's to say they can afford to keep buying groceries in their own neighborhood? Not to mention culture which has persisted in communities for decades can get wiped clean in a matter of years at most (I live in Chicago, this is what's happening in Pilsen currently, see also: Humboldt Park, Logan Square, Wicker Park, Bronzeville, etc etc). Of course gentrification doesn't have an inherent racial basis, but labor and class intersect with race thanks to the institution of racism and existence of a de-jure-then-de-facto-but-still-secretly-de-jure racial hierarchy. That's why when we talk about gentrification it always ends up as a conversation about race because most people that live in cheap neighborhoods are black and brown.

I accidentally wrote this at 2am so hopefully it's readable

"How Woke 'Liberals' Convince Themselves That Gentrifying is Okay":

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evy3k7/how-woke-liberals-convince-themselves-that-gentrifying-is-okay

in general, fuck Vice, but this was based on an interesting research path

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #187 on: July 27, 2019, 09:17:18 AM »
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But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
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Do you have any idea what intersectionality is?

Gentrification in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing--it can be good for all parties involved. I live in Logan Square, Chicago so that technically makes me a gentrifier since I'm not Puerto Rican and middle-income. The difference is me and my roommates never once spent money at the gentrified-ass fake Mexican restaurant on our block that yuppies flock to for some reason, i.e. where you spend your dollars matters in the big picture nearly as much as actual housing. Not saying economic development is bad for communities because we all know it's not, but these developments ought to reflect the community and its interests because they were there first. If a hundred middle-class white people move to X neighborhood and buy all their groceries from the supermercado at the end of the block, their clothes from the thrift store a 15-min walk away, and go to the bar down the street that's been there 30 years, the community would--economically speaking; as cultural considerations also come into play--exist as it were before, if not better.


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so are you a gentrifier or not?
Yes because Logan Square isn't made up of black college students who live on <$800/mo.

Good read Deputy, thanks for the link.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #188 on: July 27, 2019, 09:24:49 AM »
What in the fuck did this thread turn into?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #189 on: July 27, 2019, 09:28:53 AM »
just post the link...

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #190 on: July 27, 2019, 09:57:54 AM »
just post the link...

Amen to that! The vid can’t come soon enough to stop this subliterate arsehole convention.
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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #191 on: July 27, 2019, 12:25:42 PM »
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But yes, gentrification can only be racially based, let's focus on a construct rather than something like class and the local labor market.
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Do you have any idea what intersectionality is?

Gentrification in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing--it can be good for all parties involved. I live in Logan Square, Chicago so that technically makes me a gentrifier since I'm not Puerto Rican and middle-income. The difference is me and my roommates never once spent money at the gentrified-ass fake Mexican restaurant on our block that yuppies flock to for some reason, i.e. where you spend your dollars matters in the big picture nearly as much as actual housing. Not saying economic development is bad for communities because we all know it's not, but these developments ought to reflect the community and its interests because they were there first. If a hundred middle-class white people move to X neighborhood and buy all their groceries from the supermercado at the end of the block, their clothes from the thrift store a 15-min walk away, and go to the bar down the street that's been there 30 years, the community would--economically speaking; as cultural considerations also come into play--exist as it were before, if not better.

Still, the main problem is that there's no rent control and people get priced out. Even if families can continue to afford rent, who's to say they can afford to keep buying groceries in their own neighborhood? Not to mention culture which has persisted in communities for decades can get wiped clean in a matter of years at most (I live in Chicago, this is what's happening in Pilsen currently, see also: Humboldt Park, Logan Square, Wicker Park, Bronzeville, etc etc). Of course gentrification doesn't have an inherent racial basis, but labor and class intersect with race thanks to the institution of racism and existence of a de-jure-then-de-facto-but-still-secretly-de-jure racial hierarchy. That's why when we talk about gentrification it always ends up as a conversation about race because most people that live in cheap neighborhoods are black and brown.

I accidentally wrote this at 2am so hopefully it's readable

I appreciate this- thanks for writing it. I agree with you and try to make sure I have the same habits with regards to businesses I do or do not support. But as a white male that moved at the start of the gentrification of my area, people seem to stop the conversation at skin color and not talk about the actual power one can exercise over where they live (small building, local long-term owner vs the new high rise).

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #192 on: July 27, 2019, 01:04:40 PM »
anything more annoying than a white person in their 20s or 30s who are proud they live in a shitty neighborhood?  asking as a black dude who left a shitty neighborhood.

where this part i'm trying to watch him gentrify these fucking spots, lets go!
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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #193 on: July 27, 2019, 01:09:53 PM »
sigh... this bait and switch used butt wipe of a thread is still under photos/videos...
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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #194 on: July 27, 2019, 03:13:15 PM »
Move this to "Whatever" and make a new thread when the part actually goes up. Then we can discuss the skateboarding in its own thread.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2019, 05:07:35 PM »
Move this to "Whatever" and make a new thread when the part actually goes up. Then we can discuss the skateboarding in its own thread.
Sounds like you're trying to gentrify this thread right out of its rightful community… or something.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2019, 06:15:21 PM »
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Move this guy to "Whatever" the city and make a new thread part when the part rent actually goes up. Then we can discuss the skateboarding in its own thread.
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Sounds like you're trying to gentrify this thread right out of its rightful community… or something.

What I think I'm reading between the lines. Maybe?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2019, 08:53:00 PM »


Im very interested in where the 2020's version of the hipster will flock to. The whole reason cool people moved to the city was to avoid uptight suburban white people shit like noise complaints, and having clean up dog doo doo. With mass gentrification, the suburban culture followed them.


Im predicting 1960's esque commune culture will make a comeback. Theres just tons of areas in America that no one fucking lives at anymore, just ready to be repurposed into holistic nudist colonies.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2019, 09:15:05 PM »
anything more annoying than a white person in their 20s or 30s who are proud they live in a shitty neighborhood?  asking as a black dude who left a shitty neighborhood.

where this part i'm trying to watch him gentrify these fucking spots, lets go!

Five years ago, I lived in what you would call a "shitty neighborhood". It was a run down row house with four 1 bedroom units and my next door neighbor had at least 10 people living there and they also sold drugs out of the unit, and I would get crackheads pounding on my door in the middle of the night thinking it was their door. I would also get harassed at the taco stand across the street for being a white guy wanting tacos. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2019, 10:00:22 PM »
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anything more annoying than a white person in their 20s or 30s who are proud they live in a shitty neighborhood?asking as a black dude who left a shitty neighborhood.

where this part i'm trying to watch him gentrify these fucking spots, lets go!
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Five years ago, I lived in what you would call a "shitty neighborhood". It was a run down row house with four 1 bedroom units and my next door neighbor had at least 10 people living there and they also sold drugs out of the unit, and I would get crackheads pounding on my door in the middle of the night thinking it was their door. I would also get harassed at the taco stand across the street for being a white guy wanting tacos. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Maybe a white dude who lives next to a crack den and moans about crackheads, and complains about being racially profiled at the taco stand. And then moves - but still bitches about it 5 years later.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #200 on: July 27, 2019, 11:11:15 PM »
So when's the video premiering?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #201 on: July 28, 2019, 01:25:42 AM »
So when's the video premiering?

Heard it was gonna be up Friday 8/2/19 on Thrasher but no real confirmation.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #202 on: July 28, 2019, 07:35:48 AM »
It's been confirmed like, five times in this thread.
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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #203 on: July 28, 2019, 08:04:24 AM »
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So when's the video premiering?
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Heard it was gonna be up Friday 8/2/19 on Thrasher but no real confirmation.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #204 on: July 28, 2019, 09:29:18 AM »
Soooooo, does anybody want to upload that video instead of educating us what gentifrication is?

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #205 on: July 28, 2019, 09:38:03 AM »
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There’s no video to upload.


The video shown at the premiere was *technically* a work-in-progress, with the hopes of eventual completion before the August 2nd online upload.

He’s still out filming his ender ender.   



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« Reply #206 on: July 28, 2019, 11:24:20 AM »
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The video shown at the premiere was *technically* a work-in-progress, with the hopes of eventual completion before the August 2nd online upload.

He’s still out filming his ender ender.

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Re: Mark Suciu 'Verso'
« Reply #207 on: July 28, 2019, 12:12:48 PM »
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The video shown at the premiere was *technically* a work-in-progress, with the hopes of eventual completion before the August 2nd online upload.

He’s still out filming his ender ender.
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« Reply #208 on: July 28, 2019, 01:19:41 PM »
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There’s no video to upload.


The video shown at the premiere was *technically* a work-in-progress, with the hopes of eventual completion before the August 2nd online upload.

He’s still out filming his ender ender.
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The line to end all lines
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imma fix wolves.

Takes out one beirut song and replaces it with 2 allah-las ones

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« Reply #209 on: July 28, 2019, 03:24:05 PM »
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The video shown at the premiere was *technically* a work-in-progress, with the hopes of eventual completion before the August 2nd online upload.

He’s still out filming his ender ender.
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The line to end all lines
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imma fix wolves.
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Takes out one beirut song and replaces it with 2 allah-las ones

Off the top of my head I don’t remember how many Beirut songs he skates to (never a fan).......


.....but he skates to one song by Air.