Independent Trucks Mid

[pugmaster]

I am a big fan of the indy lows and am looking forward to the mids. I think for my first set I will run 50 mm wheels instead of 52 or 53 just to get used to them.  It took me a little to get used to the indy lows when I first got them but it was well worth it. 

[backinaction]

Oh shit..

Don't shoot the messenger, but they dropped first at Zumiez.

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-139-mid-skateboard-trucks.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-144-skateboard-truck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-149-skateboard-trucks.html

(ducks and runs....)

[Xen]

Oh shit..

Don't shoot the messenger, but they dropped first at Zumiez.

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-139-mid-skateboard-trucks.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-144-skateboard-truck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-149-skateboard-trucks.html

(ducks and runs....)

MVP - gnar'd - ordered some 144s

[John Kreese]

Good to see NHS looking out for small shops! Gotta keep the food court friends fed I guess?

[Sativa Lung]

So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

[Paperclip20]

So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

Inverted kingpin stock, I don't think it will be easy to swap baseplates

[FrozenIndustries]

So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

My understanding of these new plates is that the difference between mid and high is all in the hanger (ala Venture) so you could put a ti or hollow hanger on these. They plan to sell the new plates separately in the spring.

[mynameisnotjeff]

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So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

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My understanding of these new plates is that the difference between mid and high is all in the hanger (ala Venture) so you could put a ti or hollow hanger on these. They plan to sell the new plates separately in the spring.

Spring? Wow.
My wallet is telling me no. But my madness, my madness is telling me y-y-yeahhh

[FrozenIndustries]

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So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

[close]

My understanding of these new plates is that the difference between mid and high is all in the hanger (ala Venture) so you could put a ti or hollow hanger on these. They plan to sell the new plates separately in the spring.

[close]

Spring? Wow.
My wallet is telling me no. But my madness, my madness is telling me y-y-yeahhh

Yeah, I've been super settled on Ace but am going to try the Indy mid 159s because I have some weird fetish for 52mm high trucks.

[Xen]

So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

Current Cast 55mm vs. Current Forged 53.5mm vs  vs New Cast Indy Mid 52mm

As noted, all the work to lower the truck was done via the hanger (at least that is what we're being told) so using a hanger from current model indys + the mid plate is the same as riding a current set of standards (but you get the pin).

1.5mm difference - I'd imagine you could drop the cast plate of the mid and go to a forged hollow pin plate and get it down to 50.5mm, and shave off some weight; no clue if the inverted kingpin will work in forged...I'll check when they arrive as I have some forged plates I could sacrifice.

Good to see NHS looking out for small shops! Gotta keep the food court friends fed I guess?

Regardless of personal feeling towards Zumies, NHS or any other brand, contracts are contracts.

I don't see people bitching about DLX dropping spitfires to zumiez first (which they've done with tablets) and we've no clue what smaller shops actually got an Indy drop, I'd guess we'll see them hit this week as well.

[backinaction]

I don't see people bitching about DLX dropping spitfires to zumiez first (which they've done with tablets) and we've no clue what smaller shops actually got an Indy drop, I'd guess we'll see them hit this week as well.

We also don't know who else has them in house already (including locals) and just taking longer to put them up on their websites. 

[Xen]

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I don't see people bitching about DLX dropping spitfires to zumiez first (which they've done with tablets) and we've no clue what smaller shops actually got an Indy drop, I'd guess we'll see them hit this week as well.

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We also don't know who else has them in house already (including locals) and just taking longer to put them up on their websites. 

Yup. I doubt those local shops without a web/storefront can push them like Zumiez (or even those with them: CCS or SW or WS or SoCal) would be able to...but you have to explain things to people who might not understand how retail works (I worked in retail for  boutique operations, independently owned and operated clothing / Surf and Skate shops)...besides, those shops have to call their distro and actually order specific items and quantities.

Hate Zumiez or not, they're an established network of stores that have a national inventory system, shit is ordered (probably by each individual shop or just doled out based on what sells where) HQ places an order and once shit is received it is put into, and propagated to the system. This is how you find out if you local zooomeeez has the shit you are looking to buy...

Small shops are boutiques, not chains.

Now, this also doesn't mean he wasn't right and that zumiez did get the first shipment sent out the door...

[mynameisnotjeff]

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So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

[close]

My understanding of these new plates is that the difference between mid and high is all in the hanger (ala Venture) so you could put a ti or hollow hanger on these. They plan to sell the new plates separately in the spring.

[close]

Spring? Wow.
My wallet is telling me no. But my madness, my madness is telling me y-y-yeahhh

[close]

Yeah, I've been super settled on Ace but am going to try the Indy mid 159s because I have some weird fetish for 52mm high trucks.

May pick up the 159s just to have a truck that size.
Does anyone know if the separarte baseplates will be like the new ones that are double drilled and lack a pivot cup?

[ok boomer]

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So what would the height on a "mid"  with cast plates vs forged?

 If I buy these can I just swap the plates over to a pair of titanium hangers and get the same geometry but lighter, or are there changes to the hangers as well?

[close]

My understanding of these new plates is that the difference between mid and high is all in the hanger (ala Venture) so you could put a ti or hollow hanger on these. They plan to sell the new plates separately in the spring.

[close]

Spring? Wow.
My wallet is telling me no. But my madness, my madness is telling me y-y-yeahhh

Get you some brah!

[SneakySecrets]

Anyone know where a fella can get find some 144 mid jawns? 

[Bubblegum Tate]

Oh shit..

Don't shoot the messenger, but they dropped first at Zumiez.

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-139-mid-skateboard-trucks.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-144-skateboard-truck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-149-skateboard-trucks.html

(ducks and runs....)

Maybe they prematurely sold it since link is no longer available?

[weedgod94]

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Oh shit..

Don't shoot the messenger, but they dropped first at Zumiez.

https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-139-mid-skateboard-trucks.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-144-skateboard-truck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/independent-polished-mid-149-skateboard-trucks.html

(ducks and runs....)

[close]

Maybe they prematurely sold it since link is no longer available?

probably, because indy has always said October.
I want some of the 144s but I'm gonna wait a while to cop. Interested to see what they do to the wheelbase.

[Xen]

Because I love you all...








Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)







Stock pin + washer



Krux pin + washer



7g lighter using Krux Pin (meh)



Tiniest bit more grind clearance with the Krux pin (L)


You can see the underside hanger curve has changed compared to the TI Hanger; I never noticed how much shorter the front part of the forge plates are compared to cast - Mid hanger has more lean towards the center of your board than the upright-ness of the forged
(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144


Plates flush against and edge, WB is clearly tighter than the forged/and you can see one image above that the lean of hanger is more forward than upright)
(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144



Mid Hanger Forged plate



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Mid cast plate TI hanger 144


(L) Indy Forged TI 144                     |    (R) Indy Mid hanger 144 FORGED PLATE 144



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy FORGED plate Mid Hanger Standard (50.5mm now?)

Setting them up now, will measure WB compared to the forged TI will post feedback after.

[munchbox]

Because I love you all...








Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)







Stock pin + washer



Krux pin + washer



7g lighter using Krux Pin (meh)



Tiniest bit more grind clearance with the Krux pin (L)


You can see the underside hanger curve has changed compared to the TI Hanger; I never noticed how much shorter the front part of the forge plates are compared to cast - Mid hanger has more lean towards the center of your board than the upright-ness of the forged
(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144


Plates flush against and edge, WB is clearly tighter than the forged/and you can see one image above that the lean of hanger is more forward than upright)
(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Forged plate TI 144



Mid Hanger Forged plate



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy Mid cast plate TI hanger 144


(L) Indy Forged TI 144                     |    (R) Indy Mid hanger 144 FORGED PLATE 144



(L) Indy Mid Cast Plate/Standard 144                     |    (R) Indy FORGED plate Mid Hanger Standard (50.5mm now?)

Setting them up now, will measure WB compared to the forged TI will post feedback after.

gnar for the leg work.
seems like a pointless truck when compared to forged titaniums. might be a little more "impressive" vs standard 144s

[Xen]

gnar for the leg work.
seems like a pointless truck when compared to forged titaniums. might be a little more "impressive" vs standard 144s

Totally agree (but I don't have any standards kicking around).

According to NHS' site, Standard 144 Indys are 387g, the standard mids are coming in at 397g +10g...but I can't see where that is happening...they hollowed out the pin hole more to cram the sleeve in there...but I can't see that being 10g heavier and the inverted pin seems standard weight to me (I don't have one on hand to compare); but maybe it's bulkier than the standard pin area that is pressed into the plate?

[Vintagebody]

Bricks!

Why not make threads in the baseplate itself, instead of a nut?
To me the clearance looks bad, and bcuz of the design, its a larger surface to "grind" on, vs a regular kingpin & nut.
So you cant make dip as much, but you might get less hangups.

[backinaction]

Why not make threads in the baseplate itself, instead of a nut?

Baseplate is aluminum and cast.  The threads would be easily buggered. 

In addition, the insert has nylock on it.  If you didn't have the nylock then the kingpin would unthread and get looser as you skated.

My guess is that this is replaceable - although it may take a big hammer.

[mynameisnotjeff]

Can you throw on the Krux kingpin on the mids?

[Xen]

Can you throw on the Krux kingpin on the mids?

Damn dude, I know there's a bunch of pics but come on...

Because I love you all...



7g lighter using Krux Pin (meh)



Tiniest bit more grind clearance with the Krux pin (L)

[weedgod94]

Why not make threads in the baseplate itself, instead of a nut?

Because your kingpin would snap 5x as often

[Mesteezo]

Solid work Xen.

Now the biggest question, how well do they skate???

[SneakySecrets]

Wow thanks for the nerd specs Xen.  You’ve given me a lot to over-analyze.   

[Xen]

So the

Solid work Xen.

Now the biggest question, how well do they skate???

They skate like Indys

Coming off the 53.5mm forged....I can't tell the difference except for the weight...as I swapped in the same bushings and cups I was using on the forged TI.

They are pulling in the WB (my pics prove it) more than forged (but not more than regular cast, as far as I remember....cast are shorter WB than forged indy??), but I can't feel any difference as I put them on a 14.1875 WB board as opposed to the 14.25WB I was riding on the forged - so it probably nulls out the 1 or 2 mm difference and what little pop feel I could muster (I'm recovering from ankle bullshit so I've been off the board for a week, I was waiting for these to arrive to justify getting on the board) they felt fine/no different?

I did pair them with some 51m spitabs vs the 52mm rictas I was on with the forged so I could tell that I was lower over all (about the height of going from 55mm standards to forged...

If you are coming from Standards, you'll notice a difference I'd wager but coming from forged...not really.

The hanger angle looks very different when you look at them side by side (like when you put a thunder next to an Indy so not sure how they kept the same geo...

[mynameisnotjeff]

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Can you throw on the Krux kingpin on the mids?

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Damn dude, I know there's a bunch of pics but come on...

Let me expand, did you have to make any modifications?

[Xen]

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Can you throw on the Krux kingpin on the mids?

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Damn dude, I know there's a bunch of pics but come on...

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Let me expand, did you have to make any modifications?

Nope. Otherwise I would have noted. Unscrewed Indy inverted pin, screwed in Krux pin.