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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #180 on: February 25, 2020, 08:45:42 PM »
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When I started skating I only skated thunders. Tried a set of venture and hated them (couldn’t really do anything at the time so it didn’t really mean shit) so I just went back to thunders for years until switching to indys in like 2014. Just got a set of the polished 5.6 and I gotta say it feels nice to actually be able to pop my board again
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glad im not the only one who gets no pop on indys

Im riding my Indy 144 Cast and I'm not liking the ride at all. Pinch isn't great, pop feels floaty instead of snappy and I'm not a fan of the height. Can't wait to swap them out.

Edit - setup a pair of Venture 5.2L Hollow Lights on a 8.0 board o retired a while ago. Pop is coming back very nicely, only gripe is the height, feel like my tail is bottoming out. And I forgot to pack riser in my bag. But overall I'm loving Venture

Edit edit - I'm full on the Venture 2020 hype train. I learned backside Smiths and Fs Crooks today, that pinch is magnificent. I think Indy's have a nicer slide on the baseplate but I'll take Ventures explosive pop over the floppiness of Indy.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2020, 05:14:16 AM by rocklobster »
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #181 on: February 27, 2020, 09:47:30 AM »
Koston is skating Ventures. What’s the world coming to? https://www.instagram.com/p/B9FD8PiFfTi/

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #182 on: February 27, 2020, 09:55:55 AM »
Koston flips between ventures and thunders. I think that is why he hasn’t joined a truck company since Indy.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #183 on: February 27, 2020, 08:27:27 PM »
Koston flips between ventures and thunders. I think that is why he hasn’t joined a truck company since Indy.

I don't recall a venture era koston? Plz refresh my memory. I can find any adds.

Wasn't he thunder indy royal back to indy and then full circle thunder?
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #184 on: February 28, 2020, 01:05:43 AM »
Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that? I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #185 on: February 28, 2020, 01:10:11 AM »
Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that? I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?

I skate for transport a lot and I like loose trucks. I can’t tell the difference between the 5.8 Ventures highs I’m riding now and the 20 sets of 149 Indys I rode previously. Great turns.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #186 on: February 28, 2020, 01:17:17 AM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that? I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
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I skate for transport a lot and I like loose trucks. I can’t tell the difference between the 5.8 Ventures highs I’m riding now and the 20 sets of 149 Indys I rode previously. Great turns.

Thanks for the info, do you find the top washer mashes into the truck? It's more of an aesthetic thing but I feel like that'd bug me

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #187 on: February 28, 2020, 04:55:06 AM »
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Koston flips between ventures and thunders. I think that is why he hasn’t joined a truck company since Indy.
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I don't recall a venture era koston? Plz refresh my memory. I can find any adds.

Wasn't he thunder indy royal back to indy and then full circle thunder?
No sorry. I meant on Instagram he’s been flipping between those two trucks.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #188 on: February 28, 2020, 05:03:05 AM »
those two nuts ARE a bitch to tighten with the unit tool. adjustable wrench it is.. that plus phillips over allen which I usually use was  :(

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #189 on: February 28, 2020, 07:41:52 AM »
those two nuts ARE a bitch to tighten with the unit tool. adjustable wrench it is.. that plus phillips over allen which I usually use was  :(

Silver tool works decently but those 2 nuts are a bitch. The baseplate is wider than a Thunder one, the riser I had don't sit flush but in too lazy to go to the shop for some new ones.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
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FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #190 on: February 28, 2020, 09:43:53 AM »
Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that? I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?

Yes, recommend a Bones (flat) top washer if you don't swap to Bones.

It's just different; certainly not as quick as a Thunder or ACE

Out of all the trucks I've tried, for me, they really need a full swap of bushings out of the gate. I ride loose and either Bones Softs or Ace bushings (dual duro, low top, hi bottom) work best for me.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #191 on: February 28, 2020, 10:25:13 AM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that? I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
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Yes, recommend a Bones (flat) top washer if you don't swap to Bones.

It's just different; certainly not as quick as a Thunder or ACE

Out of all the trucks I've tried, for me, they really need a full swap of bushings out of the gate. I ride loose and either Bones Softs or Ace bushings (dual duro, low top, hi bottom) work best for me.

Thanks, appreciate the info.When I got that set of ventures years a ago and wasn't sure if I'd gotten the updated DLX trucks since it seems like an oversight and it'd prevent the truck from turning further out the gates. The fix seems simple enough with a flat washer though. I just remember leaning as hard as I could without tipping on 2 wheels and never being able to turn as much as I liked compared to other trucks. The titanium ones seem really good for a tech setup but I get the impression these aren't really the trucks for me.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2020, 12:43:47 PM »
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those two nuts ARE a bitch to tighten with the unit tool. adjustable wrench it is.. that plus phillips over allen which I usually use was  :(
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Silver tool works decently but those 2 nuts are a bitch. The baseplate is wider than a Thunder one, the riser I had don't sit flush but in too lazy to go to the shop for some new ones.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #193 on: February 28, 2020, 01:30:37 PM »
Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #194 on: February 28, 2020, 04:15:56 PM »
Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #195 on: February 29, 2020, 11:17:21 AM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
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my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

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I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
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many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !

Thanks for the info, when you say bind, do you mean the bushings just aren't rebounding, or that the old, non-bones, washer was catching in there and causing stuff to get stuck?

Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.

Gotcha thanks

You guys know if venture has updated the geo on the new wider models (5.8 and 6.1) since the dlx change? I guess I just don't get the hype since to me they felt like a truck that couldn't turn despite doing other things pretty well. Granted I didn't swap out bushings when I had some 5.2 highs

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #196 on: February 29, 2020, 11:31:36 AM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
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my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

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I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
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many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !
[close]

Thanks for the info, when you say bind, do you mean the bushings just aren't rebounding, or that the old, non-bones, washer was catching in there and causing stuff to get stuck?

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Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.
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Gotcha thanks

You guys know if venture has updated the geo on the new wider models (5.8 and 6.1) since the dlx change? I guess I just don't get the hype since to me they felt like a truck that couldn't turn despite doing other things pretty well. Granted I didn't swap out bushings when I had some 5.2 highs
I dont know if they changed anything for sure, but I can tell you that the 5.8s I have now just feel like a wider version of the Venture 5.0s and 5.2s I skated many years ago. They certainly do not turn like Indys or Thunders, but that never bothered me because I ride fairly tight trucks anyway. Maybe the hype is because people just like the stability of them that you really don't get with some other brands.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #197 on: February 29, 2020, 12:13:39 PM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
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my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

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I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
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many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !
[close]

Thanks for the info, when you say bind, do you mean the bushings just aren't rebounding, or that the old, non-bones, washer was catching in there and causing stuff to get stuck?

Expand Quote
Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.
[close]

Gotcha thanks

You guys know if venture has updated the geo on the new wider models (5.8 and 6.1) since the dlx change? I guess I just don't get the hype since to me they felt like a truck that couldn't turn despite doing other things pretty well. Granted I didn't swap out bushings when I had some 5.2 highs
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I dont know if they changed anything for sure, but I can tell you that the 5.8s I have now just feel like a wider version of the Venture 5.0s and 5.2s I skated many years ago. They certainly do not turn like Indys or Thunders, but that never bothered me because I ride fairly tight trucks anyway. Maybe the hype is because people just like the stability of them that you really don't get with some other brands.

Yeah that's definitely fair, I generally ride loose so it's just a personal preference thing. Wasn't sure if the new wider ones were somehow different, thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #198 on: February 29, 2020, 12:22:23 PM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
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my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

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I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
[close]
many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !
[close]

Thanks for the info, when you say bind, do you mean the bushings just aren't rebounding, or that the old, non-bones, washer was catching in there and causing stuff to get stuck?

Expand Quote
Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.
[close]

Gotcha thanks

You guys know if venture has updated the geo on the new wider models (5.8 and 6.1) since the dlx change? I guess I just don't get the hype since to me they felt like a truck that couldn't turn despite doing other things pretty well. Granted I didn't swap out bushings when I had some 5.2 highs
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I dont know if they changed anything for sure, but I can tell you that the 5.8s I have now just feel like a wider version of the Venture 5.0s and 5.2s I skated many years ago. They certainly do not turn like Indys or Thunders, but that never bothered me because I ride fairly tight trucks anyway. Maybe the hype is because people just like the stability of them that you really don't get with some other brands.
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Yeah that's definitely fair, I generally ride loose so it's just a personal preference thing. Wasn't sure if the new wider ones were somehow different, thanks for clarifying.
Np man, maybe some loose truck guys that ride Venture's will give you whole different opinion.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #199 on: February 29, 2020, 01:27:51 PM »
So you guys got me now interested in ventures. Specifically because of the "explosive pop". I ride Indys since 4 years. I like loose and surfy turns.
What could I expect if I switch to ventures and which ones would you recommend for 8.125 decks?
Thanks in advance pals.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #200 on: February 29, 2020, 01:30:54 PM »
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Do ventures still have that problem where the top washer mashes into the hanger when you ride them loose? I had a pair of the high ones after DLX updated them years ago and I was wondering if they ever resolved that?
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my 6.1s would bind every now and again but it happened rarely enough that i didn't feel like i had to do anything about it - until i put em on a wider board and could put more force into each turn! still happened rarely but slightly less rarely. just switched out the stock top washers for some bones ones !

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I liked how they felt doing flip tricks and grinds but do you guys find that because the WB is far out relative to other trucks, the turn is less deep compared to other trucks?
[close]
many trucks have steeper (or am i thinking less steep? :P ) kingpin angles and all that, in addition to their shorter wheelbases !
[close]

Thanks for the info, when you say bind, do you mean the bushings just aren't rebounding, or that the old, non-bones, washer was catching in there and causing stuff to get stuck?

Expand Quote
Yes the stock washer makes a little scratches in the hangers. It wasn't significant.

I threw out the purple top and put an old cracked up bones bushing with a flat washer from my ace truck.

I would have kept it if it was summer time

That was because of how cold it is out.
[close]

Gotcha thanks

You guys know if venture has updated the geo on the new wider models (5.8 and 6.1) since the dlx change? I guess I just don't get the hype since to me they felt like a truck that couldn't turn despite doing other things pretty well. Granted I didn't swap out bushings when I had some 5.2 highs
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I dont know if they changed anything for sure, but I can tell you that the 5.8s I have now just feel like a wider version of the Venture 5.0s and 5.2s I skated many years ago. They certainly do not turn like Indys or Thunders, but that never bothered me because I ride fairly tight trucks anyway. Maybe the hype is because people just like the stability of them that you really don't get with some other brands.
[close]

Yeah that's definitely fair, I generally ride loose so it's just a personal preference thing. Wasn't sure if the new wider ones were somehow different, thanks for clarifying.
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Np man, maybe some loose truck guys that ride Venture's will give you whole different opinion.

I ride very loose trucks. I'm thinking about flipping my top bolt even to get a little more.

With the ace 44 I had a stock bottom and a bones top I rode them very loose on an 8.5 with a 14.5 wb.

The venture 5.6 I have the stock purple barrels with cracked bones tops with the flat washer on an 8.25 with a little less than 14.25 wb.

Its basically the same except I'm more stable when I land in my board.

At the ledge and flat bar the venture beats the ace for crooks etc. Manny tricks. Ace at first but now it's the same.

Shallow end of the bowl or tight tranny ace will always win against any truck. Same with pool coping. Nothing can hang with ace and indy.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #201 on: February 29, 2020, 01:32:40 PM »
So you guys got me now interested in ventures. Specifically because of the "explosive pop". I ride Indys since 4 years. I like loose and surfy turns.
What could I expect if I switch to ventures and which ones would you recommend for 8.125 decks?
Thanks in advance pals.

5.2 or 5.6 high.

What decks do you like.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #202 on: February 29, 2020, 01:44:29 PM »
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So you guys got me now interested in ventures. Specifically because of the "explosive pop". I ride Indys since 4 years. I like loose and surfy turns.
What could I expect if I switch to ventures and which ones would you recommend for 8.125 decks?
Thanks in advance pals.
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5.2 or 5.6 high.

What decks do you like.

My last 4 decks were all crail, next one will be a AWS. I like 14 - 14.25 WB.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #203 on: February 29, 2020, 02:01:31 PM »
So you guys got me now interested in ventures. Specifically because of the "explosive pop". I ride Indys since 4 years. I like loose and surfy turns.
What could I expect if I switch to ventures and which ones would you recommend for 8.125 decks?
Thanks in advance pals.
I had 5.2 (8")Venture's on a 8.125 and did not like it. So maybe 5.6 (8 1/4")Venture's would be good for 8.1's. But I seem to like a little more truck. I currently have 5.8 on a 8.25 and absolutely love it. I always go for 14 1/4" WB if that helps at all.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #204 on: February 29, 2020, 02:09:50 PM »
I’m sizing down from 8.25 to 8, so I’m going to finally get to skate my set of 5.2 hollow lows that I’ve had for years but barely ever touched. 

Hope they are still as awesome as I remember.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #205 on: February 29, 2020, 02:15:25 PM »
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Koston flips between ventures and thunders. I think that is why he hasn’t joined a truck company since Indy.
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I don't recall a venture era koston? Plz refresh my memory. I can find any adds.

Wasn't he thunder indy royal back to indy and then full circle thunder?

He was riding ventures in the late-90s Chocolate Tour era. Check out some of those classic Fourstar sequence ads. I don't think he's ever been tied to a truck company for very long.

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #206 on: February 29, 2020, 02:30:31 PM »
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So you guys got me now interested in ventures. Specifically because of the "explosive pop". I ride Indys since 4 years. I like loose and surfy turns.
What could I expect if I switch to ventures and which ones would you recommend for 8.125 decks?
Thanks in advance pals.
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5.2 or 5.6 high.

What decks do you like.
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My last 4 decks were all crail, next one will be a AWS. I like 14 - 14.25 WB.

yeah It depends on if you planning on moving around width wise. I would get 5.2s if I wasn't going bigger than like 8.125 without adding washers.

If you get the 5 6 its not like you can make it skinnier.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #207 on: February 29, 2020, 03:32:11 PM »
I’m sizing down from 8.25 to 8, so I’m going to finally get to skate my set of 5.2 hollow lows that I’ve had for years but barely ever touched. 

Hope they are still as awesome as I remember.
Please report back if you don't mind. I recently set up a 8 and I had 5.2 mids on it, and I did not like them at all. I was going to replace them with 5.2 hollow lows but I bought Indy 139 hollows instead. Which is kind of funny because I am just now (after decades of riding Venture's) trying out Indys while alot of people are running from them. My other/bigger setup has Venture's and that will never change.
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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #208 on: February 29, 2020, 05:21:31 PM »
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I’m sizing down from 8.25 to 8, so I’m going to finally get to skate my set of 5.2 hollow lows that I’ve had for years but barely ever touched. 

Hope they are still as awesome as I remember.
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Please report back if you don't mind. I recently set up a 8 and I had 5.2 mids on it, and I did not like them at all. I was going to replace them with 5.2 hollow lows but I bought Indy 139 hollows instead. Which is kind of funny because I am just now (after decades of riding Venture's) trying out Indys while alot of people are running from them. My other/bigger setup has Venture's and that will never change.

I’m the same way: was always a Venture guy but Indy 144’s have been my go-to the past year or so.

I’ll let ‘cha know how the lows work out. 

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Re: Venture 2020
« Reply #209 on: February 29, 2020, 06:00:08 PM »
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those two nuts ARE a bitch to tighten with the unit tool. adjustable wrench it is.. that plus phillips over allen which I usually use was  :(
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Silver tool works decently but those 2 nuts are a bitch. The baseplate is wider than a Thunder one, the riser I had don't sit flush but in too lazy to go to the shop for some new ones.
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pretty sure the two nuts make it a man

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