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« Reply #180 on: February 02, 2021, 12:46:12 PM »
Free $25 dollars though. But yeah I assumed casinos would have some way of stopping that otherwise pros would just be spamming roulette tables racking up money in incremental amounts

And also, not to further shat on the idea since I thought about this before and thought I found some genius play, you wouldn't be guaranteed to even win your original bet if there was no cap because if it lands on the green 00, you'd lose.


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« Reply #181 on: February 03, 2021, 01:29:22 AM »
so has anyone on here the expertise to evaluate if the shorts have been stopped or covered up, or....?

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« Reply #182 on: February 03, 2021, 04:14:50 AM »
Not really but from from seeing how the narrative has changed so drastically on r/WSB I would say that the hedge funders have successfully covered their asses already. I don't think it's going to shoot up again. I'm gonna just forget about it and take it as a harsh lesson in my introduction to the world of investing. I'll keep the shares long term and who knows what will happen down the line.
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« Reply #183 on: February 03, 2021, 04:49:49 AM »
I guess everyone was too caught up in the mania to realize they were buying the top of GME and that jumping in pump and dumps don't work in your favor (e.g Dogecoin, XRP, Shiba Coin, Donut and the countless other random cryptos people hyped up). I saw a few telegrams groups cordinating because they knew everyone was trying to get rich quick. The Instagram comments on meme pages was a huge red flag. Everyone commenting how rich they're going to be and anyone who mentioned that Doge was a PnD got multiple comments calling them poor or dumb.

If the mainstream media and your friends and family who never cared about investing (aka gambling) are talking about it, you sell.

This story, whether it's true or not is what I reference whenever I see a lot hype around something. It saved me in the 2017 crypto bubble where I was able to sell close to the top. But it also caused me to miss out on some opportunities as I sat on the sidelines.

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“J. P. Morgan tells the story of how he would get his shoes shined every Wednesday at the same shop around the corner from his office. One day the shoe shine attendant asked him if he and his friends could buy some stock through Morgan’s brokerage. The three friends had about $40—a lot of money in 1929. Morgan politely refused, hurried back to his office, and ordered that his company was not to have a single share of stock on its books by the end of the day. Morgan simply asked, “If the shoe shine boys are buying stocks, who else is left?” Of course, the 1929 stock market crash was only a few days away, and Morgan looked like a genius. He was not a genius; he noted that the order flow was likely running out on the buy side. It wasn’t his army of analysts that showed him that. It was a public investor.

I just hate seeing people get fucked over then lose interest in investing forever because they think everything is a scam. The last two weeks were definitely entertaining though.

Also, the cringe at the WSB lingo that spread to every single platform. I know it's mostly a joke but the amount of people posting it everywhere and are still posting it leads me to believe they mean it.

"Diamond Hands, get out of here paper hands. Fuck of hedgie shill! I'm aping my entire life savings of 50k!! Support has arrived! HOLD!!!"
*posts screenshot of a 80% loss*
"I'm not fucking selling!!!! HOLD THE LINE!! WE'RE AT THE PART IN THE AVENGERS MOVIE WERE CAP LOST HIS SHIELD!! THE SQUEEZE WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW, I MEAN FRIDAY, ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK!!!"

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« Reply #184 on: February 03, 2021, 05:36:03 AM »
yeah, I get all that and in general i would agree, but in my understanding $GME in particular was a special case as there are (were?) fucking massive short options on it, as such a short squeeze shouldve worked (which was the initial plan of WSB), the hype and meme stuff was just a means to get the stock high and the short squeeze running.

these short options lended more stock than there actually is (~ 130% of stocks), as such they could lose (theoritcally) indefinite money if they were forced to sell it back on a higher price, therefore you would actually earn a lot of money in the process (independently of the real economy or other stuff that a lot of people mix up). But I guess they cleared their shorts when brokers prohibited trading $GME, which is illegal in my opinion, but im no SEC or so

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« Reply #185 on: February 03, 2021, 12:39:59 PM »
I’ve decided that, for the time being, I want to get into something faster than ETFs, but less demanding and stressful than day trading/meme stocks.  BTC 100%.  Of course it could crumble like anything else, but it’s looking pretty nice right now. 

Celeb investors like Elon and Mark Cuban are singing it’s praises, there’s a Michael Saylor conference happening right now teaching top companies how to get in, big bank officials are downplaying it’s potential to the media then turning around and buying it up, credit card companies are looking to integrate it into their services, etc. 

Obviously I’ll keep a close eye out for signs of struggle, but I do feel based on my limited research that now is a very good time to hop on.  Following the r/Bitcoin advice, DCA and HODL.

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« Reply #186 on: February 03, 2021, 03:01:06 PM »
no one actually uses bitcoin unless they're out to buy a bride and/or mdma on the darknet

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« Reply #187 on: February 03, 2021, 03:07:20 PM »
The only argument I've heard that makes me back any of these silly cryptos is that some countries have pretty fucked up and corrupt banking systems, so bitcoin ends up being a good way to get money in and out of the country. However, now we need to trust the people converting BTC to the local currency. :|

That being said, I'm holding .2 of BTC and just letting it ride.

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« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2021, 04:38:34 AM »
The only argument I've heard that makes me back any of these silly cryptos is that some countries have pretty fucked up and corrupt banking systems, so bitcoin ends up being a good way to get money in and out of the country. However, now we need to trust the people converting BTC to the local currency. :|

That being said, I'm holding .2 of BTC and just letting it ride.

Cryptocurrencies right now are like the early days of the internet. Globally, we're still in our infancy when it comes to digitalization. I'd wager most countries have a ton of corruption when it comes to financial institutions - just think about all the financial crisis' and bank scandals.

We just put more trust in them because there are institutions like the FDIC that insure your accounts up to a certain amount. And, well, I'd still wager that's infinitely better than keeping money under your mattress. Here's an interesting write up from Transparency International: https://www.transparency.org/en/news/cpi-2020-trouble-in-the-top-25-countries.

You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.

If you're getting into cryptos as an investment, I'd consider them more commodities. So now if I compare them to gold then what's a better store of value in this day and age? You can also read into them and just judge for yourself which crypto has the better "balance sheet". Getting into crypto for quick money, and choosing something cheap so you have more room for profit faster, is much like day or swing trading. It's generally more volatile with larger swings, sure, but you're going either win big or (most) lose big.

If 5 years ago you'd invested some large sum in Google, Amazon, Square, or whatever company that's performed really well over that time frame you probably wouldn't be kicking yourself for not having put it all into Bitcoin. There's plenty of things you can invest in though aside from just putting your money into crypto or the stock market as well.
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Re: Investing?
« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2021, 08:58:44 AM »

You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.

The US dollar has value because people believe in its value not because the US gov tells anyone the value. Just the as bitcoin has no value outside the value people believe it has. Both are traded and "investors" decide the value. The key differences that I can think of are how interest rates affect the value of currency and the ability of countries to print new currency.

And, I can hand someone a five dollar bill and no bank, no internet, no anything is directly involved in that transaction. And there is no record of that transaction. The best anonymous way of transferring value is handing someone cash. Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous, especially if someone links their wallet to coinbase or something.

99% of these cryptocurrencies strike me as the same as Disney Dollars. But more often than not, just created by someone out to just make a quick buck.

And the thing that sold me on BTC not being viable is the absurdly long time it takes to send/receive it. I sent a few hundred dollars worth from myself to myself and it took hours.

Overall, I'm yet to see any real point to the whole crypto thing for most in developed countries with stable currencies.

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« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2021, 09:14:11 AM »
the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin

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« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2021, 10:35:28 AM »
the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin

lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy

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« Reply #192 on: February 04, 2021, 10:51:04 AM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy

Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.

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« Reply #193 on: February 04, 2021, 11:21:46 AM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.

I've been buying a few ounces of silver every week or two for the past few years. Bullion mostly, but also any silver I find at thrifts or yardsales.  Was super bummed when those reddit kooks started running it up. I'm not selling anytime soon. Same with my physical gold . It's just my side hustle, still have a Roth IRA, 401K, and 501C for my kid.  I'm positive im doing it completely wrong, but feels good to have something physical in hand.

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« Reply #194 on: February 04, 2021, 11:38:47 AM »
I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.

Are you Satan?It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised. Its a basic human right  and a life force that should never have even been bottled. What's next? air?
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« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2021, 12:08:51 PM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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I've been buying a few ounces of silver every week or two for the past few years. Bullion mostly, but also any silver I find at thrifts or yardsales.  Was super bummed when those reddit kooks started running it up. I'm not selling anytime soon. Same with my physical gold . It's just my side hustle, still have a Roth IRA, 401K, and 501C for my kid.  I'm positive im doing it completely wrong, but feels good to have something physical in hand.

that metal will add up eventually. a buddy of mine was chomping at the bit to drop on silver, due to the reddit stuff, and I sent him a graph of the year in silver to show that buying from a brokerage at $28+oz plus fees is an awful investment. I think you're doing it right, buying a few oz a week as well as the jewelry and stuff. you can melt it down and make your own bars. I've found metal on FB marketplace and craigslist on the low too.
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« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2021, 12:59:16 PM »
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You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.
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The US dollar has value because people believe in its value not because the US gov tells anyone the value. Just the as bitcoin has no value outside the value people believe it has. Both are traded and "investors" decide the value. The key differences that I can think of are how interest rates affect the value of currency and the ability of countries to print new currency.

And, I can hand someone a five dollar bill and no bank, no internet, no anything is directly involved in that transaction. And there is no record of that transaction. The best anonymous way of transferring value is handing someone cash. Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous, especially if someone links their wallet to coinbase or something.

99% of these cryptocurrencies strike me as the same as Disney Dollars. But more often than not, just created by someone out to just make a quick buck.

And the thing that sold me on BTC not being viable is the absurdly long time it takes to send/receive it. I sent a few hundred dollars worth from myself to myself and it took hours.

Overall, I'm yet to see any real point to the whole crypto thing for most in developed countries with stable currencies.

While a cash transaction is more able to be completely anonymous, that's fine if it's $5 but what happens if it's 1 million? Carrying it around, pretty much anyone could just steal it. Hiding it under your bed - house could burn, you get robbed, etc... . Putting it in a bank account, big brother is going to notice. Or what if some other person witnesses the transaction?

Bitcoin is designed to allow its users to send and receive payments with an "acceptable" level of privacy as well as any other form of money. Long term, if we're talking large transactions, I'd think it offers some perks over dealing in cash - pros/cons. But, of course, I'm sure there's ways shady ways within the financial institutions that be to mask such things - probably even gone digital there these days. And if privacy is your concern,  you'd probably avoid the digital asset exchanges.

A transaction with BTC, for instance, should take at most 10 mins these days. Which is actually pretty quick if you think about how long it would take for someone in Japan to transfer X amount of money to someone in Mexico. Depends on the situation to a certain extent.

I think people instantly think of Bitcoin when they hear cryptocurrency and a misconception is that they're all meant to be attempting to take over fiat currencies. Ethereum, for instance, is not a cryptocurrency — it's a platform for creating decentralized products. Ether is the cryptocurrency that powers the Ethereum platform and blockchain.

And blockchain in general can solve tons of problems - just depends which specific issue you're focusing on: self sovereign identity, data monetization, data portability, etc...

I think the whitepapers for most of them are all pretty interesting. Curious to see how most of them pan out.

But, to be clear, for investing purposes just do your research in invest in whatever you deem fit. I think crypto is still a bit volatile for most people to stomach/understand what they're investing in. Much more simple and less risky for the majority to invest in large/mid/small cap etf's or whatever sector you feel you're the most informed about.

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« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2021, 01:11:57 PM »
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I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.
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Are you Satan?It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised. Its a basic human right  and a life force that should never have even been bottled. What's next? air?

I received a fine when I first moved to Colorado for putting a rain barrel before my spouting. Think it was 4-500$, for stealing water that's legally California's, or that's how the environmental police guy explained it to me at the time. I thought I was being pranked/hazed the entire time.  SoCal rippers will be wearing LV stillsuits in the future.

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« Reply #198 on: February 04, 2021, 01:13:30 PM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.

yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so

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« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2021, 01:38:59 PM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so

this trips me up. isn't the availability of a fiat currency a partial indicator of its value? the greater the # of dollars floating around equates a lesser value of those dollars? I mean, I look at the buying power of USD, 59.1% inflation since 1999. $100 USD in '99 had the buying power of $159 today. That blows my mind. I mean, it's probably good for the rest of the world, but I'm pretty bummed on my few dollars being worth less and less
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« Reply #200 on: February 04, 2021, 01:58:35 PM »
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
[close]

Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so
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this trips me up. isn't the availability of a fiat currency a partial indicator of its value? the greater the # of dollars floating around equates a lesser value of those dollars? I mean, I look at the buying power of USD, 59.1% inflation since 1999. $100 USD in '99 had the buying power of $159 today. That blows my mind. I mean, it's probably good for the rest of the world, but I'm pretty bummed on my few dollars being worth less and less

yes, that is not a good sign, but it more or less is the problem of all currencies since there is no gold to back up a real value in a federal bank somewhere (as it used to). but the case in the US is one of the more extreme ones, as far as my stupid ass can say so. countries with "real" value to back their currency like norway (fossile fuels) are doing great. as such stuff with "real" value (real estate, gold, silver) is going up, because people and fonds are trying to save their ass. money is fictional, if you think about it. all debt is made up, the whole world is in debt, to whom?

the power of dollar is actually that oil is traded in dollars (petrodollar; see https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp), so that there will always be a demand of dollar. some people even go so far that the one aspect of iraq war was that iraq tried to stop trading oil in dollar (as was lybia). Im not sure how much of that is just conspiracy theory and what is made up.
but thinking about all the coups and assisinations of politicians by the CIA in socialist southern american countries are not helping much in this case.

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« Reply #201 on: February 04, 2021, 02:09:03 PM »
22% of US Dollars Printed in 2020.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/23-6-of-all-us-dollars-were-created-in-the-last-year

My question is, what does this actually mean and what growth in dollars should we see over an ever expanding economy? We need to have infinite growth in capitalism otherwise the system breaks down (despite this being outside the bounds of reality, since the world is not an infinite resource nor is it an infinite trash can). If we had the same amount of dollars that we had in 1999 would there be enough for the economy to shuffle money around? (or for wealthy people hoard it "of shore"?)

The US GDP was 10 trillion in 1999, 15 trillion in 2010 and 22 trillion today. In addition to the "quantitative easing" meant to promote growth via gov investment (Keynes), without printing money how does the economy expand? I don't see what the point is here unless we are trying fetishize limited quantities of things as the only things with value. I didn't make all the way through Piketty's Capital, what does he say about this? What does Krugman say?

Other than this sounding scary, what does it actually mean in terms of capitalism, gov investment into industry, and what are the benefits/cons of a limited resource = money. Maybe with BTC we can trade infinitely small amounts but with shit like gold it isn't going to be possible to trade with fractions of a flake of gold. (And what is gold's real value besides the fact that it doesn't corrode?)


While a cash transaction is more able to be completely anonymous, that's fine if it's $5 but what happens if it's 1 million? Carrying it around, pretty much anyone could just steal it. Hiding it under your bed - house could burn, you get robbed, etc... . Putting it in a bank account, big brother is going to notice. Or what if some other person witnesses the transaction?

Bitcoin is designed to allow its users to send and receive payments with an "acceptable" level of privacy as well as any other form of money. Long term, if we're talking large transactions, I'd think it offers some perks over dealing in cash - pros/cons. But, of course, I'm sure there's ways shady ways within the financial institutions that be to mask such things - probably even gone digital there these days. And if privacy is your concern,  you'd probably avoid the digital asset exchanges.

A transaction with BTC, for instance, should take at most 10 mins these days. Which is actually pretty quick if you think about how long it would take for someone in Japan to transfer X amount of money to someone in Mexico. Depends on the situation to a certain extent.

I think people instantly think of Bitcoin when they hear cryptocurrency and a misconception is that they're all meant to be attempting to take over fiat currencies. Ethereum, for instance, is not a cryptocurrency — it's a platform for creating decentralized products. Ether is the cryptocurrency that powers the Ethereum platform and blockchain.

And blockchain in general can solve tons of problems - just depends which specific issue you're focusing on: self sovereign identity, data monetization, data portability, etc...

I think the whitepapers for most of them are all pretty interesting. Curious to see how most of them pan out.

But, to be clear, for investing purposes just do your research in invest in whatever you deem fit. I think crypto is still a bit volatile for most people to stomach/understand what they're investing in. Much more simple and less risky for the majority to invest in large/mid/small cap etf's or whatever sector you feel you're the most informed about.

In terms personal ownership, theft is interesting, but its not like BTC is completely safe from theft. We seem to simply shift from physical theft to digital theft. It's not like people are good at protecting passwords. Also, we move from me physically losing my wallet to digitally losing my wallet (fucking XRP). I can't remember my bank password to save my life, but thankfully, the bank can reset that shit for me.

Also, if someone robs my bank or gets my log in for my bank, I'm getting my money back (my credit card number is stolen every couple of years and I'm yet to pay a penny for the shit that was purchased)... if someone robs my BTC wallet, I'm fucked.

In terms of payment, if I give someone money via credit I can dispute the charge, if I give money via BTC, I'm fucked (same for cash). 10 minutes is better than the hours I spent worrying about if money was being lost with my BTC transfer, but last time I used to my credit card it took a matter of seconds to transfer 30 dollars and when I needed to transfer thousands to pay some stupid bill the other day it only took about a minute via interac. And, sending money from bank to my trading account (to lose it all) it only takes a second or two (same with sending the money back to my bank).

And, in terms of cost on the environment, BTC "mining" isn't exactly helping us out much. A huge waste of energy.

I really don't see what problem BTC solves other than getting money in and out of countries where the rules are super gnarly (China for example), where the banking systems are super corrupt, and allowing a bit more privacy (I'm not stoked that I have to tell the US Gov how much money I have in Canada each year).

yes, that is not a good sign, but it more or less is the problem of all currencies since there is no gold to back up a real value in a federal bank somewhere (as it used to). but the case in the US is one of the more extreme ones, as far as my stupid ass can say so. countries with "real" value to back their currency like norway (fossile fuels) are doing great.

I'm not sure this is true nor does the notion that your USD is worth less that it was x years ago add up in all cases (inflation is a pretty imperfect measure of value as some commodities get more expensive and some get less expensive).

Part of Canada's currency value is related to the price of oil... we were stronger than the USD for a few brief moments in the past, we suck pretty hard right now.


Same goes for the Ruble which is garbage at this point. Last time I was in Moscow the USD was worth 32 rubles... my dollar gets me 75 rubles today.

And, in terms of the dollar being weaker in terms of commodities, I'd ask what commodities? Oil? Your dollar buys more oil today than it did 10 years ago. Housing? Yea the dollar buys a lot less house than it did 10 years ago. In terms of airline tickets? In terms of bananas? In terms of clothing?

This finite resource argument doesn't make sense to me in terms of anything other than idea of if I hoard something it should grow in value. Marx describes this person as a miser and he notes that this person is pretty terrible at capitalism. In capitalism, we are supposed to turn our Money into a Commodity and then back into more Money... not just sit on it.

Why would I ever part with my money, if I could earn more wealth from doing nothing? That doesn't sound like an ideal way to run a society.
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« Reply #202 on: February 04, 2021, 04:24:52 PM »
as a dude who grew up in the hood yall are schooling me good! I thank you. as i move into my 30s i have been thinking about investments a lot more and want to move my money around to work for me. (not a bandwagoner lol) i hope this thread never dies. lots of good thought here.   

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« Reply #203 on: February 04, 2021, 04:46:06 PM »
... another 400 on black, another fucking red. Yeah, fuck roulette. I have the worst RNG.
my first encouter with Roulette exposed me to the high of gambling. I love the simple mechanics. luckily I've only burned relatively-"extra" money and have paid minimal interest in almost 30 years of using credit.

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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
Props to Wesley Snipes for sticking to his guns though. Bet on the most dangerous gamble and lost over two years of his life in jail.

I received a fine when I first moved to Colorado for putting a rain barrel before my spouting. Think it was 4-500$, for stealing water that's legally California's, or that's how the environmental police guy explained it to me at the time. I thought I was being pranked/hazed the entire time.  SoCal rippers will be wearing LV stillsuits in the future.
This was enraging the first time I found out about this. I don't get how there is no provision excluding small capture for personal use.

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I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.
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Are you Satan? It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised...

"Michael Burry is investing in water and farmland, betting that limited supply and increasing demand will drive up prices over the long term."
As Burry states, “Fresh, clean water cannot be taken for granted. And it is not – water is political, and litigious.”
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"The primary way to invest in water is through water utility stocks.
Because this is primarily a regulated industry, there are a handful of water utility stocks that trade in the public markets... American Water Works (NYSE: AWK) & American States Water (NYSE: AWR)" for example. (maybe these aren't privatised? definitely owned tho.)

... and there are famous stories to check out like Dune and Tank Girl that put focus on this necessary resource.

What's next? air?

Shit, Why not?
"Air rights are the property interest in the "space" above the earth's surface. Generally speaking, owning, or renting, land or a building includes the right to use and develop the space above the land without interference by others."
Imagine a scarcity of breathable air for various reasons: pollution, natural disaster, etc and technology is developed to clean it. That tech could be privately owned and its product (clean air) will be, too.

Why stop there? "Extraterrestrial real estate refers to claims of land ownership on other planets, natural satellites, or parts of space by certain organizations or individuals."
Human history has shown all you need is the threat of violence and the capability to carry it out so you can "stake your claim".

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« Reply #204 on: February 04, 2021, 05:03:47 PM »
Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one

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« Reply #205 on: February 04, 2021, 07:01:41 PM »
virtually everything in that ridiculous investopedia article is varying degrees of wrong or misleading. anyone interested in monetary policy should look into MMT though, Stephanie Kelton, L Randall Wray, and Warren Mosler are some prominent economists from that school of thought, and it's actually pretty interesting.


also if your sources are zerohedge, cut that shit out. try nakedcapitalism instead.

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no one actually uses bitcoin unless they're out to buy a bride and/or mdma on the darknet

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« Reply #207 on: February 06, 2021, 03:55:34 PM »
Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one

Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.

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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.

my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
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my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.

I'm sure tons. I wish I started investing when I was a teenager, to have had that financial literacy and awareness would've been so beneficial for my well-being. Unfortunately no one really sat me down and explained that side of life to me.