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Tony Alva
« on: March 12, 2011, 05:17:49 PM »
skating is all about choosing your outfit very deliberately, going out in public. looking super sick. and then riding your board a little bit

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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2020, 08:35:56 AM »
shalom. up
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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2020, 09:07:06 AM »
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Andy Anderson, I cannot sanction your buffoonery.

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2020, 09:31:43 AM »
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keep em down
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Re: Tony Alva
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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2020, 03:57:06 PM »


this is great and cant wait. especially when that dude mentions HAWK on one side and Alva and the crew. poor tony...
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2020, 03:35:09 AM »
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this is great and cant wait. especially when that dude mentions HAWK on one side and Alva and the crew. poor tony...

I was around in the 80s, and Tony Hawk and his ilk were regarded as being far cooler, and culturally aware than the likes of the Alva Posse.

Tony was into X, Devo, New Order, his favourite film is Repo Man, he probably read Less Than Zero and had a girlfriend who was into Duran Duran and looked a bit like Molly Ringwold.

The Alva Posse looked like they were into shit like Nugent, Kiss and Anthrax, probably called those who liked Run DMC and Public Enemy "faggots", went to see the Rambo film, and never read a book.



 

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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2020, 05:30:42 AM »
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this is great and cant wait. especially when that dude mentions HAWK on one side and Alva and the crew. poor tony...
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I was around in the 80s, and Tony Hawk and his ilk were regarded as being far cooler, and culturally aware than the likes of the Alva Posse.

Tony was into X, Devo, New Order, his favourite film is Repo Man, he probably read Less Than Zero and had a girlfriend who was into Duran Duran and looked a bit like Molly Ringwold.

The Alva Posse looked like they were into shit like Nugent, Kiss and Anthrax, probably called those who liked Run DMC and Public Enemy "faggots", went to see the Rambo film, and never read a book.

you mean by common people or that was the perception of them by skateboarders?
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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2020, 09:15:20 AM »
No overall disrespect to Tony, but the quick sketch of what you consider "cool" and engaged in the '80s mostly  just reveals your level of taste. Liking those things together would've made you more of a neoliberal narc-"creative" working as an adman in marketing. For a contemporary equivalent, it might be like calling Austyn Gilette cool while there's the 917 team or the Atlantic Drifters skating amongst us.

"Repo Man" is good, as was Devo in their time. Bret Easton Ellis, John Hughes starlets, Duran Duran, and yes, New Order was not (although it's worth noting in this context that the Alva guys were really into Joy Division). X had their place, especially really early, and John and Exene's voices snaking around each other can be pretty neat, but Billy Zoom was and is one of the worst right wing pieces of shit.

The Alva Posse was a mixed bag. I'll agree that Duncan, Eddie Reategui, and Danforth pretty much fit your profile. Fred Smith was cool, in the later days Mario Rubalcalba and Jesse Neuhaus were awesome, and Alva himself was complicated: in some ways very cool, in others not. However, the Team THC subset of the team – John Thomas, Jef Hartsel, and Chris Cook – absolutely fucking ruled. Cooksie was my fave: weird nosewheelie variations, fakie wallrides, the earliest polejam attempts (on vertical poles), over-decked rock-and-rolls on deckless ramps, teaching Julien Stranger slappies,  skating Pacifica's demented gunnite Devil's Pit far better than anyone, doing micro-edgers when that trick was forgotten, and all with great style. He even did the first (stationary, sloppy) kickflip on a non-freestyle board in a video. Basically, he was about doing weird, original shit, with good taste.

The Alva crew had a rep for being troglodytes, and that held true to a point, but they were kind of the pioneers of being extremely non-corporate and organic in everything they did...they definitely paved the way for (the better aspects of) Anti-Hero, GX1000, et al. The self-aggrandizement would get old, but they were also fighting a bit of a culture war against A LOT of bullshit in skating the '80s.  Lastly, the boards themselves were really good and having Mondo Beck airbrush many of them uniquely by hand was really cool and something no one else was gonna do.

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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2020, 09:27:03 AM »
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this is great and cant wait. especially when that dude mentions HAWK on one side and Alva and the crew. poor tony...
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I was around in the 80s, and Tony Hawk and his ilk were regarded as being far cooler, and culturally aware than the likes of the Alva Posse.

Tony was into X, Devo, New Order, his favourite film is Repo Man, he probably read Less Than Zero and had a girlfriend who was into Duran Duran and looked a bit like Molly Ringwold.

The Alva Posse looked like they were into shit like Nugent, Kiss and Anthrax, probably called those who liked Run DMC and Public Enemy "faggots", went to see the Rambo film, and never read a book.
  They were into raggae im pretty sure. 
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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2020, 10:12:23 AM »
No overall disrespect to Tony, but the quick sketch of what you consider "cool" and engaged in the '80s mostly  just reveals your level of taste. Liking those things together would've made you more of a neoliberal narc-"creative" working as an adman in marketing. For a contemporary equivalent, it might be like calling Austyn Gilette cool while there's the 917 team or the Atlantic Drifters skating amongst us.

"Repo Man" is good, as was Devo in their time. Bret Easton Ellis, John Hughes starlets, Duran Duran, and yes, New Order was not (although it's worth noting in this context that the Alva guys were really into Joy Division). X had their place, especially really early, and John and Exene's voices snaking around each other can be pretty neat, but Billy Zoom was and is one of the worst right wing pieces of shit.

The Alva Posse was a mixed bag. I'll agree that Duncan, Eddie Reategui, and Danforth pretty much fit your profile. Fred Smith was cool, in the later days Mario Rubalcalba and Jesse Neuhaus were awesome, and Alva himself was complicated: in some ways very cool, in others not. However, the Team THC subset of the team – John Thomas, Jef Hartsel, and Chris Cook – absolutely fucking ruled. Cooksie was my fave: weird nosewheelie variations, fakie wallrides, the earliest polejam attempts (on vertical poles), over-decked rock-and-rolls on deckless ramps, teaching Julien Stranger slappies,  skating Pacifica's demented gunnite Devil's Pit far better than anyone, doing micro-edgers when that trick was forgotten, and all with great style. He even did the first (stationary, sloppy) kickflip on a non-freestyle board in a video. Basically, he was about doing weird, original shit, with good taste.

The Alva crew had a rep for being troglodytes, and that held true to a point, but they were kind of the pioneers of being extremely non-corporate and organic in everything they did...they definitely paved the way for (the better aspects of) Anti-Hero, GX1000, et al. The self-aggrandizement would get old, but they were also fighting a bit of a culture war against A LOT of bullshit in skating the '80s.  Lastly, the boards themselves were really good and having Mondo Beck airbrush many of them uniquely by hand was really cool and something no one else was gonna do.
  "in their time" ?!
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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2020, 10:33:58 AM »
Fair enough, scratch "in their time". It's just a time thing; Devo is vital and brilliant, but everything influential eventually becomes "dad rock" to a degree at some point. I just hate old dudes who stopped engaging in culture 35 years ago, and it depresses me when young kids put too much emphasis on the greatness of the old heads and don't engage with the culture of their own time enough. There's been generations of Devo skate punk kids who never went further. There's a balance between an education and stagnation.

But please, let's keep the dialogue about the Alva Posse and not New Order.

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Re: Tony Alva
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2020, 10:42:50 AM »
Fair enough, scratch "in their time". It's just a time thing; Devo is vital and brilliant, but everything influential eventually becomes "dad rock" to a degree at some point. I just hate old dudes who stopped engaging in culture 35 years ago, and it depresses me when young kids put too much emphasis on the greatness of the old heads and don't engage with the culture of their own time enough. There's been generations of Devo skate punk kids who never went further. There's a balance between an education and stagnation.

But please, let's keep the dialogue about the Alva Posse and not New Order.
   Yes those old bowl trolls tend to include Devo in their tired af playlists for sure.  Right in there with the 'Tallica and whatever else shit.  New music is good too i agree.
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