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Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« on: May 12, 2020, 01:37:00 PM »
TL;DR Popcush is Ultracush but better Popcush is superior to Ultracush. Itís supportive, provides actual impact protection, and eliminates nearly every problem Ultracush has.

  Vans recently upgraded their Ultracush insole to the Popcush insole, and their only description of this new insole is that it ďsnaps back and wonít pack. A new Pro Skate impact protection and energy return foam for less fatigue to skate longer.Ē As short as that description is, it pretty much covers everything that Popcush offers over Ultracush.

Whatís wrong with Ultracush?

  Ultracush was Vanís old insole, with there being many iterations of it as feeble attempts to improve the insole (they all didn't make any improvements). The insole is thick to help provide support, comfort, and impact protection, but the insole was so soft and squishy that it did the complete opposite of what it was trying to do. Everytime I wore Ultracush my feet would hurt, I would have bad lower back problems, and impact protection was super inconsistent. My theory of why this is was because Vans was trying to provide cupsole protection to a vulcanized shoe by giving the insole the jobs of the outsole and the insole combined. Itís why the insoles are super thick, but the outsole is super thin. I believe they tried to undo this and give the insole and outsole their respective jobs with the AVE Pro by basically putting the lower half of the Ultracush insole into the outsole, but I donít actually know since I donít have experience with the AVE Pros (Iím not paying $100 for a shoe I donít know will work for me).

Popcush Review

  Iíve been skating these Andrew Allen Authentic Hiís for about three weeks, and I have a very good feeling of how these insoles perform.



  On the first day of just wearing these, I did experience some lower back pain, but I can easily chalk it up from bad posture from sitting down too much and not being outside lately, as this problem went away in a couple days. I have not experienced any back pain from these insoles since then. I would wear these around the house and break them in before actually skating them.

  After a few days, I finally skated these shoes. The impact protection was great. I landed primo a bunch of times and in one instance had a direct impact on my arch. It did hurt, but the pain subsided relatively quick, and I was able to continue skating. There was some times where I would land super hard on my feet after bailing from a high trick (i.e. FS boneless off a bank), and I recovered super fast. I havenít done any big stair sets because I donít have access to any and Iím not really into that, but I would say that the impact protection on Popcush would hold up for that type of skating. Overall, impact protection is great and a major improvement over Ultracush.

  What about general walking around/pushing? I put these insoles in a pair of Era Pros, and walked my friendís dog around. The walk was comfortable, and the insoles actually improved the fit of the shoes. The only thing that did suck was the ball of my foot got fatigued and sore, which was most noticeable and came from pushing my board hard. The thin padding Ultracush had towards the front of the insole is still a feature on the Popcush insole, albeit firmer. If you hated this feature or the balls of your feet are sensitive, I would look elsewhere.

  Popcush actually provides foot support. With Ultracush, it felt like my foot would sink into the heel portion and move around. With Popcush, the insole is significantly more firm; my heel didnít feel like it was moving around and it felt secure in place. As mentioned before, I didnít have any lower back problems, my feet didnít hurt, and I was comfortable walking around all day.

  Overall, Popcush is pretty much a direct upgrade from Ultracush, and thereís no reason to buy any model that features Ultracush or its iterations anymore. Everything that Ultracush failed in, Popcush succeeds in. Vans went from my ďdonít buy unless itís discounted heavilyĒ list to ďbuyĒ list.

  What are you guyís experiences with Popcush? Let me know if you felt I missed anything.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2020, 02:54:23 PM »
I too think popcush is superior to ultracush



I want to know if I buy a new vans pro model that it includes popcush 100%. Like are they redoing the all white and all black slip on pros with popcush, and when?

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 03:38:56 PM »
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I too think popcush is superior to ultracush



I want to know if I buy a new vans pro model that it includes popcush 100%. Like are they redoing the all white and all black slip on pros with popcush, and when?

pretty sure tactics already has/had 2019 & 2020 era, authentics, slips & sk8hi's listed with both with ultra & pop cush.


* they use to list the years. look at the two all-black eras.


https://www.tactics.com/vans/era-pro-skate-shoes/blackout-ultracrush-hd
« Last Edit: May 12, 2020, 03:50:10 PM by BL0B »

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2020, 03:44:36 PM »
It doesn't feel different enough to me. I still hate it and replace it with lunarlon insoles that I've saved. AVE pros are great though.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 03:46:08 PM »
op clearly a vans employee

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 03:47:27 PM »
op clearly a vans employee

clearly he's AA. hi, AA!

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2020, 03:47:45 PM »
TL;DR Popcush is Ultracush but better Popcush is superior to Ultracush. Itís supportive, provides actual impact protection, and eliminates nearly every problem Ultracush has.

  Vans recently upgraded their Ultracush insole to the Popcush insole, and their only description of this new insole is that it ďsnaps back and wonít pack. A new Pro Skate impact protection and energy return foam for less fatigue to skate longer.Ē As short as that description is, it pretty much covers everything that Popcush offers over Ultracush.

Whatís wrong with Ultracush?

  Ultracush was Vanís old insole, with there being many iterations of it as feeble attempts to improve the insole (they all didn't make any improvements). The insole is thick to help provide support, comfort, and impact protection, but the insole was so soft and squishy that it did the complete opposite of what it was trying to do. Everytime I wore Ultracush my feet would hurt, I would have bad lower back problems, and impact protection was super inconsistent. My theory of why this is was because Vans was trying to provide cupsole protection to a vulcanized shoe by giving the insole the jobs of the outsole and the insole combined. Itís why the insoles are super thick, but the outsole is super thin. I believe they tried to undo this and give the insole and outsole their respective jobs with the AVE Pro by basically putting the lower half of the Ultracush insole into the outsole, but I donít actually know since I donít have experience with the AVE Pros (Iím not paying $100 for a shoe I donít know will work for me).

Popcush Review

  Iíve been skating these Andrew Allen Authentic Hiís for about three weeks, and I have a very good feeling of how these insoles perform.



  On the first day of just wearing these, I did experience some lower back pain, but I can easily chalk it up from bad posture from sitting down too much and not being outside lately, as this problem went away in a couple days. I have not experienced any back pain from these insoles since then. I would wear these around the house and break them in before actually skating them.

  After a few days, I finally skated these shoes. The impact protection was great. I landed primo a bunch of times and in one instance had a direct impact on my arch. It did hurt, but the pain subsided relatively quick, and I was able to continue skating. There was some times where I would land super hard on my feet after bailing from a high trick (i.e. FS boneless off a bank), and I recovered super fast. I havenít done any big stair sets because I donít have access to any and Iím not really into that, but I would say that the impact protection on Popcush would hold up for that type of skating. Overall, impact protection is great and a major improvement over Ultracush.

  What about general walking around/pushing? I put these insoles in a pair of Era Pros, and walked my friendís dog around. The walk was comfortable, and the insoles actually improved the fit of the shoes. The only thing that did suck was the ball of my foot got fatigued and sore, which was most noticeable and came from pushing my board hard. The thin padding Ultracush had towards the front of the insole is still a feature on the Popcush insole, albeit firmer. If you hated this feature or the balls of your feet are sensitive, I would look elsewhere.

  Popcush actually provides foot support. With Ultracush, it felt like my foot would sink into the heel portion and move around. With Popcush, the insole is significantly more firm; my heel didnít feel like it was moving around and it felt secure in place. As mentioned before, I didnít have any lower back problems, my feet didnít hurt, and I was comfortable walking around all day.

  Overall, Popcush is pretty much a direct upgrade from Ultracush, and thereís no reason to buy any model that features Ultracush or its iterations anymore. Everything that Ultracush failed in, Popcush succeeds in. Vans went from my ďdonít buy unless itís discounted heavilyĒ list to ďbuyĒ list.

  What are you guyís experiences with Popcush? Let me know if you felt I missed anything.

Yeah you missed the part where you say "Hey Slap I work for Vans"

Ordered pre-owned t shirts online that are kinda sick (2 Simpsons tees, Joy Division and Cro-Mags tees, and a shirt with a native american girl staring into flames) . I usually wear flannels so my t-shirt game w

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2020, 03:48:17 PM »
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op clearly a vans employee
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clearly he's AA. hi, AA!

If you are a sponsored rider for a company and promote their product you are working for that company.

Ordered pre-owned t shirts online that are kinda sick (2 Simpsons tees, Joy Division and Cro-Mags tees, and a shirt with a native american girl staring into flames) . I usually wear flannels so my t-shirt game w

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2020, 04:00:44 PM »
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TL;DR Popcush is Ultracush but better Popcush is superior to Ultracush. Itís supportive, provides actual impact protection, and eliminates nearly every problem Ultracush has.

  Vans recently upgraded their Ultracush insole to the Popcush insole, and their only description of this new insole is that it ďsnaps back and wonít pack. A new Pro Skate impact protection and energy return foam for less fatigue to skate longer.Ē As short as that description is, it pretty much covers everything that Popcush offers over Ultracush.

Whatís wrong with Ultracush?

  Ultracush was Vanís old insole, with there being many iterations of it as feeble attempts to improve the insole (they all didn't make any improvements). The insole is thick to help provide support, comfort, and impact protection, but the insole was so soft and squishy that it did the complete opposite of what it was trying to do. Everytime I wore Ultracush my feet would hurt, I would have bad lower back problems, and impact protection was super inconsistent. My theory of why this is was because Vans was trying to provide cupsole protection to a vulcanized shoe by giving the insole the jobs of the outsole and the insole combined. Itís why the insoles are super thick, but the outsole is super thin. I believe they tried to undo this and give the insole and outsole their respective jobs with the AVE Pro by basically putting the lower half of the Ultracush insole into the outsole, but I donít actually know since I donít have experience with the AVE Pros (Iím not paying $100 for a shoe I donít know will work for me).

Popcush Review

  Iíve been skating these Andrew Allen Authentic Hiís for about three weeks, and I have a very good feeling of how these insoles perform.



  On the first day of just wearing these, I did experience some lower back pain, but I can easily chalk it up from bad posture from sitting down too much and not being outside lately, as this problem went away in a couple days. I have not experienced any back pain from these insoles since then. I would wear these around the house and break them in before actually skating them.

  After a few days, I finally skated these shoes. The impact protection was great. I landed primo a bunch of times and in one instance had a direct impact on my arch. It did hurt, but the pain subsided relatively quick, and I was able to continue skating. There was some times where I would land super hard on my feet after bailing from a high trick (i.e. FS boneless off a bank), and I recovered super fast. I havenít done any big stair sets because I donít have access to any and Iím not really into that, but I would say that the impact protection on Popcush would hold up for that type of skating. Overall, impact protection is great and a major improvement over Ultracush.

  What about general walking around/pushing? I put these insoles in a pair of Era Pros, and walked my friendís dog around. The walk was comfortable, and the insoles actually improved the fit of the shoes. The only thing that did suck was the ball of my foot got fatigued and sore, which was most noticeable and came from pushing my board hard. The thin padding Ultracush had towards the front of the insole is still a feature on the Popcush insole, albeit firmer. If you hated this feature or the balls of your feet are sensitive, I would look elsewhere.

  Popcush actually provides foot support. With Ultracush, it felt like my foot would sink into the heel portion and move around. With Popcush, the insole is significantly more firm; my heel didnít feel like it was moving around and it felt secure in place. As mentioned before, I didnít have any lower back problems, my feet didnít hurt, and I was comfortable walking around all day.

  Overall, Popcush is pretty much a direct upgrade from Ultracush, and thereís no reason to buy any model that features Ultracush or its iterations anymore. Everything that Ultracush failed in, Popcush succeeds in. Vans went from my ďdonít buy unless itís discounted heavilyĒ list to ďbuyĒ list.

  What are you guyís experiences with Popcush? Let me know if you felt I missed anything.
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Yeah you missed the part where you say "Hey Slap I work for Vans"

I don't work for Vans. If anything, I think the Lakai Manchester XLK is a better shoe than Authentic Hi's.

Sorry for making a thorough and well-worded review on a new insole that doesn't have any good reviews that isn't "it's good."

"you liked product so you're a corporate shill" that means literally anyone who has ever praised a product on here is a shill

Also what kind of employee would talk shit about the products they're supposed to promote.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 04:13:23 PM »
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I too think popcush is superior to ultracush



I want to know if I buy a new vans pro model that it includes popcush 100%. Like are they redoing the all white and all black slip on pros with popcush, and when?
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pretty sure tactics already has/had 2019 & 2020 era, authentics, slips & sk8hi's listed with both with ultra & pop cush.


* they use to list the years. look at the two all-black eras.


https://www.tactics.com/vans/era-pro-skate-shoes/blackout-ultracrush-hd
yes. Tactics is the only place I’ve seen that.

As I’ve mentioned before in other threads I kind of think the popcush is similar to Emerica g6 as far as removable insoles go. I’ve compared em side to side in the same shoes (Rowan / g6 wino slip) and minimal differences. I’ll have to try it again if anyone is that curious

Just threw my Rowan’s on to cruise the neighborhood and forefoot is thin. Yes. Done intentionally for boardfeel, no?
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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 05:54:53 PM »
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TL;DR Popcush is Ultracush but better Popcush is superior to Ultracush. Itís supportive, provides actual impact protection, and eliminates nearly every problem Ultracush has.

  Vans recently upgraded their Ultracush insole to the Popcush insole, and their only description of this new insole is that it ďsnaps back and wonít pack. A new Pro Skate impact protection and energy return foam for less fatigue to skate longer.Ē As short as that description is, it pretty much covers everything that Popcush offers over Ultracush.

Whatís wrong with Ultracush?

  Ultracush was Vanís old insole, with there being many iterations of it as feeble attempts to improve the insole (they all didn't make any improvements). The insole is thick to help provide support, comfort, and impact protection, but the insole was so soft and squishy that it did the complete opposite of what it was trying to do. Everytime I wore Ultracush my feet would hurt, I would have bad lower back problems, and impact protection was super inconsistent. My theory of why this is was because Vans was trying to provide cupsole protection to a vulcanized shoe by giving the insole the jobs of the outsole and the insole combined. Itís why the insoles are super thick, but the outsole is super thin. I believe they tried to undo this and give the insole and outsole their respective jobs with the AVE Pro by basically putting the lower half of the Ultracush insole into the outsole, but I donít actually know since I donít have experience with the AVE Pros (Iím not paying $100 for a shoe I donít know will work for me).

Popcush Review

  Iíve been skating these Andrew Allen Authentic Hiís for about three weeks, and I have a very good feeling of how these insoles perform.



  On the first day of just wearing these, I did experience some lower back pain, but I can easily chalk it up from bad posture from sitting down too much and not being outside lately, as this problem went away in a couple days. I have not experienced any back pain from these insoles since then. I would wear these around the house and break them in before actually skating them.

  After a few days, I finally skated these shoes. The impact protection was great. I landed primo a bunch of times and in one instance had a direct impact on my arch. It did hurt, but the pain subsided relatively quick, and I was able to continue skating. There was some times where I would land super hard on my feet after bailing from a high trick (i.e. FS boneless off a bank), and I recovered super fast. I havenít done any big stair sets because I donít have access to any and Iím not really into that, but I would say that the impact protection on Popcush would hold up for that type of skating. Overall, impact protection is great and a major improvement over Ultracush.

  What about general walking around/pushing? I put these insoles in a pair of Era Pros, and walked my friendís dog around. The walk was comfortable, and the insoles actually improved the fit of the shoes. The only thing that did suck was the ball of my foot got fatigued and sore, which was most noticeable and came from pushing my board hard. The thin padding Ultracush had towards the front of the insole is still a feature on the Popcush insole, albeit firmer. If you hated this feature or the balls of your feet are sensitive, I would look elsewhere.

  Popcush actually provides foot support. With Ultracush, it felt like my foot would sink into the heel portion and move around. With Popcush, the insole is significantly more firm; my heel didnít feel like it was moving around and it felt secure in place. As mentioned before, I didnít have any lower back problems, my feet didnít hurt, and I was comfortable walking around all day.

  Overall, Popcush is pretty much a direct upgrade from Ultracush, and thereís no reason to buy any model that features Ultracush or its iterations anymore. Everything that Ultracush failed in, Popcush succeeds in. Vans went from my ďdonít buy unless itís discounted heavilyĒ list to ďbuyĒ list.

  What are you guyís experiences with Popcush? Let me know if you felt I missed anything.
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Yeah you missed the part where you say "Hey Slap I work for Vans"
[close]

I don't work for Vans. If anything, I think the Lakai Manchester XLK is a better shoe than Authentic Hi's.

Sorry for making a thorough and well-worded review on a new insole that doesn't have any good reviews that isn't "it's good."

"you liked product so you're a corporate shill" that means literally anyone who has ever praised a product on here is a shill

Also what kind of employee would talk shit about the products they're supposed to promote.

I am feeling the review.
I love the way vans classic models, and Chuck Taylorís look.
As a bonus my partner doesnít hate them either. They look age appropriate and go with dad fits, 501s, 874s.
My feet are mega busted.
I spend a fair amount of time trying to figure out which insoles, plus how much weight loss, so on and so forth, will allow me to skate vans and not make inadvertent sounds when I shuffle about.
So all of this was very relevant to my interests.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2020, 06:06:23 PM »
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I too think popcush is superior to ultracush



I want to know if I buy a new vans pro model that it includes popcush 100%. Like are they redoing the all white and all black slip on pros with popcush, and when?
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pretty sure tactics already has/had 2019 & 2020 era, authentics, slips & sk8hi's listed with both with ultra & pop cush.


* they use to list the years. look at the two all-black eras.


https://www.tactics.com/vans/era-pro-skate-shoes/blackout-ultracrush-hd
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yes. Tactics is the only place Iíve seen that.

As Iíve mentioned before in other threads I kind of think the popcush is similar to Emerica g6 as far as removable insoles go. Iíve compared em side to side in the same shoes (Rowan / g6 wino slip) and minimal differences. Iíll have to try it again if anyone is that curious

Just threw my Rowanís on to cruise the neighborhood and forefoot is thin. Yes. Done intentionally for boardfeel, no?

Yes, thatís why most insoles thin out. FP has extra padding in the forefoot.
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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2020, 06:12:07 PM »
It doesn't feel different enough to me. I still hate it and replace it with lunarlon insoles that I've saved. AVE pros are great though.
AVE pros are Ultimate waffle, not ultra/popcush. Cushioning is on the midsole.
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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As Fuck.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2020, 06:53:20 PM »
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TL;DR Popcush is Ultracush but better Popcush is superior to Ultracush. Itís supportive, provides actual impact protection, and eliminates nearly every problem Ultracush has.

  Vans recently upgraded their Ultracush insole to the Popcush insole, and their only description of this new insole is that it ďsnaps back and wonít pack. A new Pro Skate impact protection and energy return foam for less fatigue to skate longer.Ē As short as that description is, it pretty much covers everything that Popcush offers over Ultracush.

Whatís wrong with Ultracush?

  Ultracush was Vanís old insole, with there being many iterations of it as feeble attempts to improve the insole (they all didn't make any improvements). The insole is thick to help provide support, comfort, and impact protection, but the insole was so soft and squishy that it did the complete opposite of what it was trying to do. Everytime I wore Ultracush my feet would hurt, I would have bad lower back problems, and impact protection was super inconsistent. My theory of why this is was because Vans was trying to provide cupsole protection to a vulcanized shoe by giving the insole the jobs of the outsole and the insole combined. Itís why the insoles are super thick, but the outsole is super thin. I believe they tried to undo this and give the insole and outsole their respective jobs with the AVE Pro by basically putting the lower half of the Ultracush insole into the outsole, but I donít actually know since I donít have experience with the AVE Pros (Iím not paying $100 for a shoe I donít know will work for me).

Popcush Review

  Iíve been skating these Andrew Allen Authentic Hiís for about three weeks, and I have a very good feeling of how these insoles perform.



  On the first day of just wearing these, I did experience some lower back pain, but I can easily chalk it up from bad posture from sitting down too much and not being outside lately, as this problem went away in a couple days. I have not experienced any back pain from these insoles since then. I would wear these around the house and break them in before actually skating them.

  After a few days, I finally skated these shoes. The impact protection was great. I landed primo a bunch of times and in one instance had a direct impact on my arch. It did hurt, but the pain subsided relatively quick, and I was able to continue skating. There was some times where I would land super hard on my feet after bailing from a high trick (i.e. FS boneless off a bank), and I recovered super fast. I havenít done any big stair sets because I donít have access to any and Iím not really into that, but I would say that the impact protection on Popcush would hold up for that type of skating. Overall, impact protection is great and a major improvement over Ultracush.

  What about general walking around/pushing? I put these insoles in a pair of Era Pros, and walked my friendís dog around. The walk was comfortable, and the insoles actually improved the fit of the shoes. The only thing that did suck was the ball of my foot got fatigued and sore, which was most noticeable and came from pushing my board hard. The thin padding Ultracush had towards the front of the insole is still a feature on the Popcush insole, albeit firmer. If you hated this feature or the balls of your feet are sensitive, I would look elsewhere.

  Popcush actually provides foot support. With Ultracush, it felt like my foot would sink into the heel portion and move around. With Popcush, the insole is significantly more firm; my heel didnít feel like it was moving around and it felt secure in place. As mentioned before, I didnít have any lower back problems, my feet didnít hurt, and I was comfortable walking around all day.

  Overall, Popcush is pretty much a direct upgrade from Ultracush, and thereís no reason to buy any model that features Ultracush or its iterations anymore. Everything that Ultracush failed in, Popcush succeeds in. Vans went from my ďdonít buy unless itís discounted heavilyĒ list to ďbuyĒ list.

  What are you guyís experiences with Popcush? Let me know if you felt I missed anything.
[close]

Yeah you missed the part where you say "Hey Slap I work for Vans"
[close]

I don't work for Vans. If anything, I think the Lakai Manchester XLK is a better shoe than Authentic Hi's.

Sorry for making a thorough and well-worded review on a new insole that doesn't have any good reviews that isn't "it's good."

"you liked product so you're a corporate shill" that means literally anyone who has ever praised a product on here is a shill

Also what kind of employee would talk shit about the products they're supposed to promote.
[close]

I am feeling the review.
I love the way vans classic models, and Chuck Taylorís look.
As a bonus my partner doesnít hate them either. They look age appropriate and go with dad fits, 501s, 874s.
My feet are mega busted.
I spend a fair amount of time trying to figure out which insoles, plus how much weight loss, so on and so forth, will allow me to skate vans and not make inadvertent sounds when I shuffle about.
So all of this was very relevant to my interests.

Seconded I appreciate your review.. Thanks

Now let your bosses know that'll I probably be getting a pair  ;)

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2020, 07:01:43 PM »
Agree 100%, OP. I noticed the difference within seconds of skating the Old Skools with the Popcush back in January. I had heard through someone quite knowledgeable to not get my hopes up, but I doubled-down at the risk of being called a kook by said knowledgeable guy and insisted they were different. Feeling vindicated rn. They're for sure springier and don't give you that mud-between-the-toes feeling of the Ultracush. You stand a bit taller too. My AH slip-ons are going to get an upgrade as soon as the canvas (wtf) on my Old Skools is just gone.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2020, 08:45:41 PM »


The heel is a bit spongier, that's about it and I chalk that up to there being a 'bubble' of foam instead of it being flat on the heel. Forefoot/ball area feels identical (even if it's supposed to be thinner, again, if it is, I can't tell...so what, maybe a mm? If it's some new formula, my feet don't notice it.

I call it, [lame terminology] marketing:

SickStick
ComfyCush
UltraCush
Ultracush HD
DuraCap
PopCush
RapidWeld
UltimateWaffle
WaffleCup
WaffelControl
LuxLiner
Pro Vulc Lite (which I've never tried)

That said, I really like the AVE (Ultimate Waffle/Rapidweld) and the Rowan (DuraCap, PopCush, SickStick), feel like they are the 'best in class' when it comes to [modern] Vans Pro offerings. The one thing I noticed about the Rowan's, and maybe it's coming off the AVEs, they make me feel like there is some overpronation going on.

A rowan rapid weld (to cut down on the chunkychunk) would be sick (or some varient of a halfcab/Crockett mid/TNTSG

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2020, 06:38:36 AM »


The heel is a bit spongier, that's about it and I chalk that up to there being a 'bubble' of foam instead of it being flat on the heel. Forefoot/ball area feels identical (even if it's supposed to be thinner, again, if it is, I can't tell...so what, maybe a mm? If it's some new formula, my feet don't notice it.

I call it, [lame terminology] marketing:

SickStick
ComfyCush
UltraCush
Ultracush HD
DuraCap
PopCush
RapidWeld
UltimateWaffle
WaffleCup
WaffelControl
LuxLiner
Pro Vulc Lite (which I've never tried)

That said, I really like the AVE (Ultimate Waffle/Rapidweld) and the Rowan (DuraCap, PopCush, SickStick), feel like they are the 'best in class' when it comes to [modern] Vans Pro offerings. The one thing I noticed about the Rowan's, and maybe it's coming off the AVEs, they make me feel like there is some overpronation going on.

A rowan rapid weld (to cut down on the chunkychunk) would be sick (or some varient of a halfcab/Crockett mid/TNTSG

The new sole compound is the shit. Vans are my preferred shoe as far as fit but I typically will wear the sole bald after about 2 weeks. Been skating the Rowans for about that long and the sole still has a ton of life. I am hoping they'll just start using it on all the pro skate line.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2020, 06:58:01 AM »
It doesn't feel different enough to me. I still hate it and replace it with lunarlon lakai insoles that I've saved.

I know, I know. Whatever.
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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2020, 07:18:18 AM »
Got my first slip on pro with popcush and I fuckin hate them. Heel sits so high there's no way they fit nice in feet, also narrow toe compared to classics. Swapped the DC Impact-S insoles and they fit ok. Soles also seems to wear down and glue loosen just as quick as classics.
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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2020, 07:31:44 AM »
Got my first slip on pro with popcush and I fuckin hate them. Heel sits so high there's no way they fit nice in feet, also narrow toe compared to classics. Swapped the DC Impact-S insoles and they fit ok. Soles also seems to wear down and glue loosen just as quick as classics.
which color slip on pro with popcush?

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2020, 07:55:18 AM »
Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2020, 08:48:57 AM »
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Got my first slip on pro with popcush and I fuckin hate them. Heel sits so high there's no way they fit nice in feet, also narrow toe compared to classics. Swapped the DC Impact-S insoles and they fit ok. Soles also seems to wear down and glue loosen just as quick as classics.
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which color slip on pro with popcush?

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2020, 09:25:53 AM »
Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.

I'm with you, I think the waffle/Ultimate waffle is superior to 'an insole' - but then again, it should be, no? Berles were to long for me (like the TNTProto/Crockket2s), yet the AVE and Rowan fit fine.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2020, 09:45:06 AM »
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Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.
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I'm with you, I think the waffle/Ultimate waffle is superior to 'an insole' - but then again, it should be, no? Berles were to long for me (like the TNTProto/Crockket2s), yet the AVE and Rowan fit fine.

What do you like better between AVE and Rowan? Mainly interested in the cushioning/foot protections aspects, but also skate Ďperformanceí?

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2020, 10:36:17 AM »
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Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.
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I'm with you, I think the waffle/Ultimate waffle is superior to 'an insole' - but then again, it should be, no? Berles were to long for me (like the TNTProto/Crockket2s), yet the AVE and Rowan fit fine.
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What do you like better between AVE and Rowan? Mainly interested in the cushioning/foot protections aspects, but also skate Ďperformanceí?

Ooof, they couldn't be more different (as I noted above I feel they are the best in class for what Vans has to offer, just at two different ends of the spectrum). AVE being a more modern approach and the Rowan being a more classic one.

Rowan: Cushy, squishy, chunky, padded - modern Half Cab

AVE: slim, durable, light/svelt, more breath-ability, better board feel, not as padded

If I was hucking? Rowans

Everything else? AVEs

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
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Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.
[close]

I'm with you, I think the waffle/Ultimate waffle is superior to 'an insole' - but then again, it should be, no? Berles were to long for me (like the TNTProto/Crockket2s), yet the AVE and Rowan fit fine.
[close]

What do you like better between AVE and Rowan? Mainly interested in the cushioning/foot protections aspects, but also skate Ďperformanceí?
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Ooof, they couldn't be more different (as I noted above I feel they are the best in class for what Vans has to offer, just at two different ends of the spectrum). AVE being a more modern approach and the Rowan being a more classic one.

Rowan: Cushy, squishy, chunky, padded - modern Half Cab

AVE: slim, durable, light/svelt, more breath-ability, better board feel, not as padded

If I was hucking? Rowans

Everything else? AVEs

Thanks!

Flat ground feels like hucking.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 01:00:34 PM »
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Iím skating the tnt protos with the ultracush insoles and they are the first shoe Iíve had heel problems with after skating.

I was skating the Berle pros about a month ago and the waffle insoles were pretty legit.
[close]

I'm with you, I think the waffle/Ultimate waffle is superior to 'an insole' - but then again, it should be, no? Berles were to long for me (like the TNTProto/Crockket2s), yet the AVE and Rowan fit fine.
[close]

What do you like better between AVE and Rowan? Mainly interested in the cushioning/foot protections aspects, but also skate Ďperformanceí?
[close]

Ooof, they couldn't be more different (as I noted above I feel they are the best in class for what Vans has to offer, just at two different ends of the spectrum). AVE being a more modern approach and the Rowan being a more classic one.

Rowan: Cushy, squishy, chunky, padded - modern Half Cab

AVE: slim, durable, light/svelt, more breath-ability, better board feel, not as padded

If I was hucking? Rowans

Everything else? AVEs
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Thanks!

Flat ground feels like hucking.

Hah! It also comes down to if you like more of a cupsole feel (AVE) or a traditional Vans Pro feel (rowan)

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2020, 01:05:34 PM »
I'd rather jump down stairs in a cupsole any day than a shoe with popcush as the main support. Popcush feels like skating in high heels.

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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2020, 06:21:31 PM »
I'd rather jump down stairs in a cupsole any day than a shoe with popcush as the main support. Popcush feels like skating in high heels.

I mean, if you look at a Pop Kush or ultracush insole, both only are like 12mm of foam under your heel. If you were to cut up a cupsole like the Nike Team Edition or some Emerica shoe, they would all be about the same in terms of stack height in the heel (Rubber outsole plus foam midsole/insole where your heel actually sits) and a similar pitch (offset between heel height and forefoot height).

Those Pop Kush insoles look gnarlier than they are because of the cupped shape that wings up to cradle the heel. Gives it visual volume that doesn't exist underfoot.
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Re: Vans Popcuh vs Ultracush Insole Review
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2020, 07:34:31 AM »
Got my first slip on pro with popcush and I fuckin hate them. Heel sits so high there's no way they fit nice in feet, also narrow toe compared to classics. Swapped the DC Impact-S insoles and they fit ok. Soles also seems to wear down and glue loosen just as quick as classics.

Fid you ever skate slip-on pros with regular ultracush? Because until they pack down, it felt the same, they didnít adjust the height of the heel cup to account for the extra thickness of the insole.

But they have packed in, and I donít notice it anymore
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