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I’m kind of sick of cancel culture...I don’t think people should be cancelled and doomed to eternal unemployment because they fucked up 20 years ago. It’s always young people calling to cancel older people, but they have no idea how much a person can change with age because it hasn’t happened to them yet.
Or why does the guy get called a rapist when the girl regrets what she’s done and decides to tell the world? (Not referring to the screenshots, this is just a recurring theme I’ve seen).
This whole thread is shit, but this kooky fucking libertarian bullshit here is beyond the pale.
So, fucking sick of these arguments that pretend to be about the process of accountability. Just fucking be honest, you don't want accountability, period. You want to protect the dudes, because you simply don't believe the women didn't deserve it. It's not the process, it is the accountability that upsets you.
If it is formally handled by the police, "the women are lying and regret their decision of having sex"; if the free market handles it is "cancel culture" not the invisible hand filtering out bad actors. What other fucking option to you propose? The dad, brother, uncle, cousin, etc. honor killing the woman for being sullied by the act of sex?
Honestly, no one is impressed by your half baked "libertarian" viewpoint, which like most libertarians isn't hoping for a lack of government regulation in economic and social life but is all about preserving the status quo and advocating responsibility for some (and not others).
This kooky Rand Paul bullshit drives me bonkers. It is this intense promotion of the stupidest ideas wrapped in a thick blanket of dunning-kruger arrogance.
I'm not a libertarian. I don't know anything about Rand Paul. You've completely missed my point. I 100% believe that people should be held accountable for their actions, within reason. What I'm saying is that people change. Someone can make a huge mistake when they're 20, go through another 20 years of learning and growing and end up a completely different person. Actually your response to this is pretty close to what I said about young people not understanding how people change when they get older. I don't think someone should be "cancelled" for something they did 20 years ago. If it was last week, yeah they should be punished accordingly. If you want to get into statute of limitations as well as a philosophical debate about a feasible amount of time after committing an offense in which it's appropriate to "cancel" someone, I've got a lot of free time at the moment and can start doing some research to put together my argument if you'd like.
As for the second part: As a previous teenager and young adult, I know for a fact that some teenage girls will lie about their age to older men. If a man accepts her advances and consents to having sex with her and then later that girl reveals that she was actually underage at the time they had sex, which by law then voids her previous consent, why should the man be "cancelled" and otherwise punished for his actions?
When responding please try to stay on topic and present your argument without committing logical fallacies. I'm not who you say I am or who you want me to be.
This is veering off topic though and not doing justice to OP's source material. That's my fault and I apologize for that, but I felt it was worth bringing up this element of this issue because it's often not discussed in a way that doesn't end up victim-blaming.
So you’re saying that after a rape, if the rapist goes on to live a normal life, they shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions so long as the rapist has changed? Are we supposed to feel comforted that someone who got away with rape faces no consequences for their actions because they got older?
Everybody here knows what the statute of limitations is, so why are you trying to wrap your shit-stained narrative around it and make it sound like rape crimes are too harshly prosecuted? Generally, the years following a rape are significantly more difficult for the victim than the perpetrator. A person who was raped shouldn’t be expected to relive that trauma again and again, and it is their prerogative as to whether they feel like notifying the police today or 20 years from now.
As much as you try to weasel your way out of your bad take, just remember you’re on a skateboarding website advocating for the rights of rapists.
You're way off.
So you’re saying that after a rape, if the rapist goes on to live a normal life, they shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions so long as the rapist has changed?
No. I'm saying in certain cases like my example if someone who was 22 had sex with a girl who was 17 who said they were 19 and consented to sex is discovered 20 years later to have had sex with a minor, they shouldn't be punished in the same way as a person who forcibly raped a woman two years ago. These two people don't deserve the same punishment.
Are we supposed to feel comforted that someone who got away with rape faces no consequences for their actions because they got older?
No. But if a 30-year-old man for example is accused of hitting on teenage girls who said they were over 18 and is called out for hitting on minors when he's 45, but he hasn't done anything like that since because he realized he was being a creep, why should he be punished the same as someone who raped a woman?
Everybody here knows what the statute of limitations is, so why are you trying to wrap your shit-stained narrative around it and make it sound like rape crimes are too harshly prosecuted? Generally, the years following a rape are significantly more difficult for the victim than the perpetrator. A person who was raped shouldn’t be expected to relive that trauma again and again, and it is their prerogative as to whether they feel like notifying the police today or 20 years from now.
I know in your eyes if a 17-year-old consents to sex with a 22-year-old, it's actually not consent because she's under 18 (and yes legally her consent is voided upon discovery that she was not 18) but in the above statement you're referring to violently forced intercourse with a women who absolutely did not consent. In this case, no I do not believe the statute of limitation should apply to them. But I believe in certain situations it should. See above. What I'm touching on is cancel culture, and instances where a teenage girl lies about her age. Bringing this up does not excuse rapists nor does it blame victims.
As much as you try to weasel your way out of your bad take, just remember you’re on a skateboarding website advocating for the rights of rapists.
I'm not trying to weasel my out of anything. I stand by my opinion and I am not "advocating for the rights of rapists". This is a fallacious argument on your part. We're actually talking about two different crimes which you regard as one in the same.
What I will admit and apologize for however is continuing to veer off OP's topic. The woman in OP's screenshots aside, I have strong opinions about knee-jerk reactions and calls to cancel or attack someone physically or via online harassment. When I hear or read an accusation, of course I'm going to question it. But these days
necessary skepticism looks like hostility.With that being said, I'd rather not continue this argument/debate here because it's not fair to the woman in OP's screenshots. If you'd like to continue please PM me or start a new thread and I'll be happy to discuss it further with you. This is not in attempt to change your mind, but simply because I don't like being misunderstood and I especially don't like being called a rape apologist, even more so by someone who doesn't even know me. My opinion on the issue of believing women aligns with the woman who wrote the linked article above. My position on punishments being appropriate for the crime also remains unchanged, as does the fact that have never, am not, and will never condone or excuse rape. Don't twist my words.
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