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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2020, 10:16:59 PM »
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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Here are some important differences:
1. They have a much bigger influence over how China operates it's clothing and shoe factories because of the volume produced. They alone can make major changes if they're willing to face China head on.
2. While it's fair to suspect any other company producing shoes/clothes in China has these issues, nike was actually caught red handed with slaves (Quingdao Taekwang factory).
3. Other companies that were caught showed more transparency in dealing with it. They allowed human rights groups to conduct follow up inspections of their facilities and appear to actually want to address the issue.
4. Nike still produces shoes at the factory where they were caught with slaves and refuses to allow human rights groups to inspect.
5. Nike used obvious weasel language in their PR statement about the issue. The fact that they couldn't make more explicit statements to clear up doubts points towards the issue being as bad as one would fear.
6. Nike tries to be the sjw brand.

Not saying other companies are totally innocent, but Nike has been a focus because of the scale of their involvement and their poor response. They are not in the same basket as everyone else.

Hey man, thanks for the education. This is all good information!

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2020, 01:35:19 AM »
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?


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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2020, 01:55:24 AM »
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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Here are some important differences:
1. They have a much bigger influence over how China operates it's clothing and shoe factories because of the volume produced. They alone can make major changes if they're willing to face China head on.
2. While it's fair to suspect any other company producing shoes/clothes in China has these issues, nike was actually caught red handed with slaves (Quingdao Taekwang factory).
3. Other companies that were caught showed more transparency in dealing with it. They allowed human rights groups to conduct follow up inspections of their facilities and appear to actually want to address the issue.
4. Nike still produces shoes at the factory where they were caught with slaves and refuses to allow human rights groups to inspect.
5. Nike used obvious weasel language in their PR statement about the issue. The fact that they couldn't make more explicit statements to clear up doubts points towards the issue being as bad as one would fear.
6. Nike tries to be the sjw brand.

Not saying other companies are totally innocent, but Nike has been a focus because of the scale of their involvement and their poor response. They are not in the same basket as everyone else.
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Hey man, thanks for the education. This is all good information!

The whole system of sourcing in low cost countries with limited labor rights is fucked and should be made illegal. It is common practice for the majority of large clothing and shoe companies. The main reason they moved their production to these places is not only to safe money but also to avoid being held accountable for the human and environmental costs of their production.
They can always claim: these are independent companies that a enslaving their workers, we would never do that. However if a production company were to say we canĎt produce your shoes for that price and pay our workers a living wage. Nike will replace them in a heartbeat. This current production system is based on exploiting the earth and vulnerable people.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2020, 02:00:42 AM »
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?

How about you use the greatest database of information in the history of man to check it out and get back to us?  Is it important enough to you to spend an hour checking out what goes on your feet rather than porn?
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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2020, 03:13:45 AM »
While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands

https://thegoodshoppingguide.com/subject/shoes-trainers/

nike and converse are the two last placed on this list with scores of 42 and 35 points respectively.

new balance is placed at 7 with a score of 73.

adidas is lower with a score of 65.


https://guide.ethical.org.au/guide/browse/guide/?type=736

nike in the lower field of c ratings, below adidas, reebok, converse and asics(all c-rated as well)


https://thegreenhubonline.com/2019/09/18/how-ethical-and-sustainable-are-your-favourite-sportswear-brands/

more info about nike, adidas and puma


nike and adidas in unethical top 10 in a study

https://www.sports-insight.co.uk/news/nike-adidas-in-unethical-top-10


full pdf presentation of the 2019 ethical fashion report

https://media.business-humanrights.org/media/documents/files/documents/FashionReport_2019_9-April-19-FINAL.pdf

while nike has good grades in the categories "policies" and "transparency", they are at a D- in "worker empowerment"

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2020, 03:29:06 AM »
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Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.
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Slaves built your iPhone. We literally all rely on the slave labor of other human beings, it's become inescapable in our lives. At least Nike isn't raising the prices every year when they sell me the same pair of Blazers over and over again like Apple does with iPhones. Not that Nike isn't total slimebucket corporation.

wait till they find out about the foxconn suicides
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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2020, 03:59:36 AM »
He looks like the kinda guy that hit the weights so he didnít feel scared at the pub where there was Men. Iíve met a few of those 😏

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2020, 04:49:38 AM »
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Correct. Nike has used slaves and has done as little as possible to cut that shit out. They are scum, and supporting them is unjustifiable. Not a conspiracy theory.
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Slaves built your iPhone. We literally all rely on the slave labor of other human beings, it's become inescapable in our lives. At least Nike isn't raising the prices every year when they sell me the same pair of Blazers over and over again like Apple does with iPhones. Not that Nike isn't total slimebucket corporation.
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wait till they find out about the foxconn suicides

And the lines of thousands of people that turn out to take the position of that one suicide. All to be underpaid and under valued.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2020, 05:01:31 AM »
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While it's difficult to track everything through the vast network of international trade, Nike and its vendors generally have better labor practices than most of the rest of the athletic shoe industry, likely due to the increased scrutiny. I haven't looked in a while, but they had the best (possibly dubious) "ethical" rating of any skate shoe manufacturer, especially and including our beloved core brands
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Show me please. I try to keep up on labor standards, and Nike is consistently shit.

Adidas is the only once Iíve seen that approaches decency.

You might want to check out Adidas' operations in Indonesia. I remember reading an article a couple of years ago and it sounded pretty bad.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2020, 05:14:30 AM »
Fuck weck and Nike. Simple

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2020, 06:05:14 AM »
https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-supply-chain-transparency-really-means

Here's a good article that outlines what it would take to have complete control (or at least awareness) of the entire supply chain of your product.

http://manufacturingmap.nikeinc.com/

here's nike site that shows they are at least getting somewhat more involved than they were during the "8 year olds sew your soccer balls" days.

the real problem here is public engagement. nike never would have gotten to this point if they weren't dragged over the coals for all the sweatshop shit years ago.
society has to truly give a shit if things are really going to change. and society over and over and over has shown that in our shitty consumer society CHEAP is the only thing that maters to most buyers. society would take cheap over "ethically sourced with workers paid a living wage" everyday day of the week. shit, people prefer cheap products to anything with actual quality.
if they don't even want to buy a quality version of a product, what are the chances that they'll ever care about a product's supply chain?? 

nike has all the money in the world. the could lock down the entire supply chain and make sure everything was legal, ethical, moral and whatever else.... but they never will because it would hurt the bottom line, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. anything that has been done to make it look like nike cares about their supply chain has been done as a PR tool, not because they give a shit.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2020, 06:20:03 AM »
This infinitely repeating discussion brought to you by the myth of ethical consumption

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2020, 06:21:10 AM »
Arenít weck and kelly hart talking? Maybe he could get hooked up with some Ťs? He could at least get flowed some mob too right?

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2020, 06:22:21 AM »
https://hbr.org/2019/08/what-supply-chain-transparency-really-means

Here's a good article that outlines what it would take to have complete control (or at least awareness) of the entire supply chain of your product.

http://manufacturingmap.nikeinc.com/

here's nike site that shows they are at least getting somewhat more involved than they were during the "8 year olds sew your soccer balls" days.

the real problem here is public engagement. nike never would have gotten to this point if they weren't dragged over the coals for all the sweatshop shit years ago.
society has to truly give a shit if things are really going to change. and society over and over and over has shown that in our shitty consumer society CHEAP is the only thing that maters to most buyers. society would take cheap over "ethically sourced with workers paid a living wage" everyday day of the week. shit, people prefer cheap products to anything with actual quality.
if they don't even want to buy a quality version of a product, what are the chances that they'll ever care about a product's supply chain?? 

nike has all the money in the world. the could lock down the entire supply chain and make sure everything was legal, ethical, moral and whatever else.... but they never will because it would hurt the bottom line, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. anything that has been done to make it look like nike cares about their supply chain has been done as a PR tool, not because they give a shit.

I feel almost the exact same as you do.

But Iíd like to add a few more points.

1- Of course it took consumers having to spend their own time, money, and effort to get people to know about the terrible labor practices.

Nike never had any intent on stopping those practices BECAUSE THE WERE THE ONES THAT DEVELOPED THEM.  They were one the first to lead the charge overseas to exploit impoverished laborers.

2- Youdont really mention why consumers are buying cheap, immorally made products and not knowing/caring about the consequences.

And thatís because capitalism has created such an unequal and dangerously unstable economy that people donít have much of a choice. They must buy products as cheaply as possible, because medicine, childcare, etc is so unreasonably expensive.
Which in turn creates more of a demand for cheaper shit, which the drives companies to look for even shittier conditions to exploit, until we are at the present: Nike using slave labor.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2020, 06:42:34 AM »
Pretty convenient timing to get mad about this at the same time they stop send him shoes  ::)


I remember another IG live rant he did where he was talking about how he could be a top paid rider on any company he wanted if he didn't keep it "so real", or something to that effect. Almost as delusional as his shitty right wing conspiracy rants he's been going on.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2020, 06:44:56 AM »
Its one of those weird moot points, where you hate someone passionately, but agree with everything they're saying.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2020, 07:30:26 AM »
How great would it be if we found out that this whole time he was squatting in that house.

it looks like it with the tag on the wall ahahha

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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2020, 08:37:46 AM »
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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2020, 09:15:42 AM »
I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.

"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2020, 09:27:17 AM »
Vans for me.

Anyone heard any gnarly stories about their manufacturing, any non humane practices?

I was full Vans only, but after them pulling TWO artist-made designs that won a design contest featuring support for Taiwan and the HK protestors, i no longer buy vans through stores. However, ill snag them at a goodwill or other 2nd hand stores and then rip off the tags or cut out the heel logo.

Here in America you support what you buy. It comes down to putting your money where your mouth is, or rather, not buying it.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2020, 09:32:53 AM »
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I mean what he said is 100% true but the same thing goes for every other so called "core" company.
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"millions of enslaved Muslims in concentration camps" sure, believe what your news media tells you, they are very credible and have never lied to make excuses to act aggressively against a country.

Yes, Weck's IG is definitely news media.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2020, 09:36:05 AM »
is there a better signal that your life is spiraling than indoor spray paint?

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2020, 09:39:46 AM »
They stopped sending him shoes obviously. Bet you Stevie made a couple of calls.  ;D

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2020, 09:50:50 AM »
Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.
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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2020, 09:53:06 AM »
Broken clock, etc. He's not wrong, but these Q psychos only care about social issues like this when there's an ulterior motive at the heart of their disposition. As someone in this thread said, he didn't give a fuck about any of this until he stopped getting shoes.

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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2020, 09:59:57 AM »
Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.

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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2020, 10:06:45 AM »
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Somewhere out there, Neen and his improperly cooked salmon are laughing.
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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2020, 10:12:09 AM »
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Re: Weckingball of Nike SB
« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2020, 10:57:35 AM »
I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple

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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2020, 11:01:02 AM »
I just came here to say that only Jordan and sneaker heads should wear Nike. Everyone else is following the herd. Sheeple

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