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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #570 on: November 13, 2020, 09:03:24 PM »
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
Oh jeez she looks like joker when he stapled his face back on.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #571 on: November 13, 2020, 10:07:09 PM »
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.

Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #572 on: November 13, 2020, 11:39:38 PM »
Lol at you guys debating the next GOP candidate like they are selected on any kind of merit. They just pick the most popular one (at the primaries) and people vote for their party, case closed. The only thing that changes is the voter turn-out, which can be increased by fear-mongering about the danger that the other party represents.


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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #573 on: November 14, 2020, 12:03:37 AM »
Lol at you guys debating the next GOP candidate like they are selected on any kind of merit. They just pick the most popular one (at the primaries) and people vote for their party, case closed. The only thing that changes is the voter turn-out, which can be increased by fear-mongering about the danger that the other party represents.

Well no not really.  Wouldn’t explain 64, 72, 84 landslides or impropriety of 00 final count.  Some people like to talk about politics and some like to discuss SOTY and there’s me who does both.  Sorry for getting my chocolate in your peanut butter

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #574 on: November 14, 2020, 04:02:58 AM »
I like to discuss politics as well, but you have to acknowledge the mental capacity of the average voter and the time they have available to form any kind of political opinions. Not to mention the sources of their information.

Even the smartest people I know don't have the time to seep though all the bullshit lies and propaganda to choose a respectable candidate to support, for the rest it is simply a popularity contest where you have to dig up or make up dirt on the opponent and then create the echo in the echo chamber.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #575 on: November 14, 2020, 01:46:18 PM »
As if our hospitals and health care workers aren’t already stressed to the maximum we have some pretty spectacular covid parties dressed up as MAGA rallies.
And what is the orange asshole up to?  Playing golf and laughing at all the fucking idiots gathered to line his pockets and feed his ego.  And they are risking the lives of themselves as well as anybody they interact with to do so.  Clown shoes

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #576 on: November 14, 2020, 09:04:19 PM »
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.
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Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox

After watching this all I unfold I don't buy the argument regarding how "Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate." The dude was sued multiple times, is on the record talking about sexual harassment, paid of a porn star, blah blah blah. These people don't really care. nor does it matter that she was once a democrat married to Newsom. It all falls into the realm of right wing cognitive dissonance in the era of alternative facts- millions of GOP voters truly believe in Qanon- they could easily believe a person such as Guilfoyle was merely a "plant" in the Democratic establishment. Palin being a fluke came during the wave of the Tea Party, a movement largely responsible for what's happening today- many of these congress members got their start during the era of the Tea Party Patriot- as for Palin being a fluke, the reason she's important in contemporary history is 2 fold- her coming to prominence, however immediately brief, greatly lowered the necessity of appearing moderately intelligent as a Republican female candidate, and there's no getting around the fact that they discovered when running a conventionally attractive, white female allows intelligence to be supplanted. I'm not going to search for it but I'm almost positive I recall multiple Sarah Palin milf/porn/fap related threads on SLAP back then- it was a common theme, everywhere.  The number of women running on Republican tickets, from the local to national level are falling into that category. As for who the GOP will push for a female candidate, don't forget that the GOP didn't push Trump. That was a complete insurgent candidacy and with how dystopian things have gotten in many ways, it wouldn't be a surprise to it happen again.

So while it might not be Guilfoyle, someone similar could do a whole lot of work and damage. While the GOP establishment may not be, the constituency has become increasingly enamored with the comic book villain type.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #577 on: November 14, 2020, 11:52:41 PM »
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They know he is hardly on his way out. One of the trumps is definitely running in 2024.
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Don Jr seems to be the most outspoken of the three. Maybe if he'll win his dad will hug him.
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I learned today that Kimberly Guilfoyle, whatever you want to call it, was once a prosecutor for both the LA and SF district attorneys and married to CA governor Gavin Newsom. She's abhorrent but far from stupid as the liberal establishment paints her to be. Her intensity, experience, public speaking abilities and being considered a conventionally attractive woman makes her fucking dangerous. It began with Sarah Palin- the intense, moderately conventionally attractive bitchy woman who speaks her mind- it's happening all over America. Women want to be them, men want to fuck them/be dominated by them. Real bad news imo
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Look into her release from Fox News.  Sexual harasser and rapist enabler.  She’s too compromised to be the face of a campaign
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said that about trump too, homie.
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Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate.  Plus he’s a man and exists on the positive end of the double standard about sex stuff.  He also was elected because he was seen as a successful business man and yadda yadda yadda.  Guilfoyle doesn’t have any of these supposed pedigrees.  She was a democratic mayors wife and tv presence (and her law career being such a secret isn’t a good thing esp because she was a Dem back then).  Won’t do much good as the face of a campaign.  Her next high profile gig will be being a thorn when her ex-Gavin Newsome edges toward a national profile whenever Kamala is done in the White House (there’s little to no way theyd ever run an all (northern) CA ticket, look to a Latino to be KHs VP). 

  Atm Nikki Haley is the obvious GOP woman to push towards the Presidency as she worked for Trump but doesn’t have his stench on her.  They’ll tout her UN ambassadorship but she accomplished next to nothing there. 

Palin was a fluke as they were looking to fill that VP slot with the opposite of whomever the Dems picked (and probably assumed McCain would push back and never approve her).  If Hillary got the nom, I think they would have gone with a POC like Bobby Jindal or someone along those lines. 


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-history-of-kimberly-guilfoyles-departure-from-fox
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After watching this all I unfold I don't buy the argument regarding how "Trump never was fired, fined, or got into any concrete trouble for his sexual impropriety when he was a candidate." The dude was sued multiple times, is on the record talking about sexual harassment, paid of a porn star, blah blah blah. These people don't really care. nor does it matter that she was once a democrat married to Newsom. It all falls into the realm of right wing cognitive dissonance in the era of alternative facts- millions of GOP voters truly believe in Qanon- they could easily believe a person such as Guilfoyle was merely a "plant" in the Democratic establishment. Palin being a fluke came during the wave of the Tea Party, a movement largely responsible for what's happening today- many of these congress members got their start during the era of the Tea Party Patriot- as for Palin being a fluke, the reason she's important in contemporary history is 2 fold- her coming to prominence, however immediately brief, greatly lowered the necessity of appearing moderately intelligent as a Republican female candidate, and there's no getting around the fact that they discovered when running a conventionally attractive, white female allows intelligence to be supplanted. I'm not going to search for it but I'm almost positive I recall multiple Sarah Palin milf/porn/fap related threads on SLAP back then- it was a common theme, everywhere.  The number of women running on Republican tickets, from the local to national level are falling into that category. As for who the GOP will push for a female candidate, don't forget that the GOP didn't push Trump. That was a complete insurgent candidacy and with how dystopian things have gotten in many ways, it wouldn't be a surprise to it happen again.

So while it might not be Guilfoyle, someone similar could do a whole lot of work and damage. While the GOP establishment may not be, the constituency has become increasingly enamored with the comic book villain type.

Nothing you said about Trump differs from what I said.  He has never gotten in trouble for sexual misconduct.  Being exposed for it is not getting in trouble.  Getting sued is not getting in trouble until you lose the case.  I don’t recall that he has and he’d likely have settled.  Guilfoyle has been fired from Fox News for extreme sexual impropriety (read the linked article).  There is an intense double standard regarding men being sexual and women being sexual particularly on the right.  Trump could chalk up stuff to locker room talk, but what’s the female equivalent to forcing your assistant to rate penis pics on your phone, amongst other things?   Guilfoyle is not a realistic candidate.  She’s just a female republican you’ve heard of.  Ivanka is much more likely to run as she’s been pretty good at distancing herself from Trumps toxicity while still enabling him.  Trump’s morons sons are all over Twitter, but she doesn’t say shit.  She may not be smart, but she ain’t stupid.  I don’t necessarily think this will translate into winning elections because she doesn’t have that demagogue   gene that will tap into racism like her dad did and the Trump / Kushner name is still pretty toxic for everyone else. 

Also, Palin was 2008, Tea Party (another insurgent Rep movement) was 2010.  I disagree with every thing else you wrote because there’s no secondary example to look to.  A failed vp candidate and governor who couldn’t even finish her term is not the standard bearer for republican women.  She was seen as real because she was a hockey mom and it was unique, but the bloom was off the rose pretty damn fast.  She was a punchline back then and almost completely forgotten now except as a blemish on McCain’s legacy. 

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #578 on: November 16, 2020, 09:43:15 AM »
^^E Jean Carrol lawsuit
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54710200/url]
[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/525790-federal-judge-moves-e-jean-carrolls-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/url]

Are you familiar with Marjorie Taylor Greene in GA? Lauren Boebert in Colorado?

I'm not sure where you live or with whom you engage. I live in an extremely isolated rural, right leaning area, in a so called Blue state. I listen to people, voters talk. I talk and work with them. I spent most of late election season driving across the United States and saw people lapping it up. I moved from New England to the South East of the United States during the 2007-08 election season. The constituency visibly and vocally eats up and it's only gained power and speed since then.

As for Palin being a hockey mom and real- that was certainly how she was portrayed and it served a purpose- just like these gun toting wing nut women now in halls of power listed above- they're candidates the constituency can imagine themselves being friends with or aspiring to be.

Regarding Guilfoyle, I'm quite familiar with her fall from Fox and while she may not become a candidate, her acceptance, similar to fascists like Steve Bannon and Steven Miller sets a precedent for the future. If you can't see that, enjoy 3 years of a Biden/Harris neoliberal/Reagan Republican facade of normalcy before shit becomes more bizarre and dangerous than it has been as of late.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #579 on: November 16, 2020, 10:00:09 AM »
^^E Jean Carrol lawsuit
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54710200/url]
[url]https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/525790-federal-judge-moves-e-jean-carrolls-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/url]

Are you familiar with Marjorie Taylor Greene in GA? Lauren Boebert in Colorado?

I'm not sure where you live or with whom you engage. I live in an extremely isolated rural, right leaning area, in a so called Blue state. I listen to people, voters talk. I talk and work with them. I spent most of late election season driving across the United States and saw people lapping it up. I moved from New England to the South East of the United States during the 2007-08 election season. The constituency visibly and vocally eats up and it's only gained power and speed since then.

As for Palin being a hockey mom and real- that was certainly how she was portrayed and it served a purpose- just like these gun toting wing nut women now in halls of power listed above- they're candidates the constituency can imagine themselves being friends with or aspiring to be.

Regarding Guilfoyle, I'm quite familiar with her fall from Fox and while she may not become a candidate, her acceptance, similar to fascists like Steve Bannon and Steven Miller sets a precedent for the future. If you can't see that, enjoy 3 years of a Biden/Harris neoliberal/Reagan Republican facade of normalcy before shit becomes more bizarre and dangerous than it has been as of late.

I’m aware of pending law suits against Trump.  I said he hasn’t gotten in trouble.  Don’t know why you keep glossing over that fact.  He hasn’t been punished for anyone sexual misconduct YET. 

Don’t know what you’re trying to argue with Palin.  She’s a joke and hasn’t been politically relevant since the early 10s.

I also think you’re wildly overstating the acceptance of Guilfoyle and Stephen Miller.  They are the ghouls behind the charismatic face and wouldn’t be able to exist or operate on their own merit. 

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #580 on: November 16, 2020, 11:37:40 AM »
You've missed my point for Palin and the Tea Party- Of course the individual is irrelevant, the action however, set a tone or a precedent for acceptability, showing the far right what they can get away with, ie- "we can run this woman because she is incredibly malleable and portray a certain image that people want." Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are examples on the national level. Just under a month ago, in the US midwest I saw numerous billboards of blonde, thin female candidates holding guns.

Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.

As for Miller and the others pulling strings, it will only get worse. Constituents on either side don't generally pay mind to the actual policy makers and speech writers. In the case of the right, Stephen Miller the gollum doesn't matter, the influence however is widely accepted.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #581 on: November 18, 2020, 07:40:15 AM »
Like I've said before Trump is a callous shitty shrewd 80's villian that needs to be put down by Jack Burton or Snake Plisken.

If we were in a GI Joe movie about America being taken over by Cobra Commander Trump would be a that weasley coward that talks tough but get him alone he's a snivelling shit who's never got his ass beat.

Any real American who doesn't like Russia or Russian politics wouldn't have this guy as their champion as he's long since been compromised by the enemy and should've never held office as long as he has.

Frankly the sooner he dies (fast-food or something health related) the happier we'd all be.
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« Reply #582 on: November 18, 2020, 10:22:35 AM »
Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.
I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #583 on: November 18, 2020, 02:49:29 PM »
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Like I said, I don't know where you live, where you travel, or with whom you mingle, but the right leaning constituency has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The violent language, actions, and extreme conspiracies aren't going anywhere but further into the mainstream consciousness.
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I believe you're right, and it's absolutely terrifying when 50+ million people believe literally anything that is said, as long as it comes from certain people or sources- especially since those people and their sources aren't credible or even remotely honest. Qanon is the perfect example of how fucking dumb people are.

I've talked with people, people who, for the most part up until recently, were fairly stable minded folks, who wholly believe in the Qanon conspiracy. They say that those of us who have been tested for Covid19 have had chips implanted in our brains... it would be funny it so many didn't actually go there.  Aside from the idiocy of Qanon, the right wing militia movement is seeing a great deal of growth, as are non-traditional gang like accelerationist groups- the proud boys, the base, various boogaloo based outfits. I don't give a fuck if they're unconventional, they're amassing both political and fire power. It's some dangerous shit that's stoked and exacerbated by the hate speech coming from those in and around the current administration.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #584 on: November 18, 2020, 07:17:56 PM »
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #585 on: November 18, 2020, 08:13:48 PM »
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.

Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #586 on: November 18, 2020, 08:38:41 PM »
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.

Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #587 on: November 18, 2020, 09:42:06 PM »
Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.

My cousins wife just posted an insane YouTube video Giuliani posted claiming the votes were tallied in other countries.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #588 on: November 19, 2020, 04:22:49 AM »
how did we get here?

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #589 on: November 19, 2020, 04:28:08 AM »
By assasinating JFK?

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« Reply #590 on: November 19, 2020, 04:34:09 AM »
i was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #591 on: November 19, 2020, 04:36:00 AM »
Same difference

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #593 on: November 19, 2020, 06:00:51 AM »
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #594 on: November 19, 2020, 06:13:40 AM »
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #595 on: November 19, 2020, 06:33:02 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #596 on: November 19, 2020, 07:30:05 AM »
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
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Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.

fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.

i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #597 on: November 19, 2020, 07:37:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah

"We're here to celebrate the winning of Donald Trump"

"You're 4 years too late"

So good lol

Ha that’s so good. “So just two hours of Fox News a day” lol

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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #598 on: November 19, 2020, 09:38:17 AM »
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Majority of Republicans have bought into this narrative that election was rigged.
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Oh come on.  35M+ (half of people who voted for Trump) believe that?   I think everyone is conflating their own personal sphere/what’s highlighted by the media a bit excessively.   If it’s over 2 million (and that’s a huge number still) I’d be surprised.
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Sadly...
"Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of-republicans-say-biden-won-because-of-a-rigged-election-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN27Y1AJ

"70% of Republicans say election wasn't 'free and fair' despite no evidence of fraud"
"Among Republicans who thought the election wasn’t fair, 78% thought mail-in ballots spurred extensive voter fraud, while 72% believed ballot tampering occurred."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans
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If we learned anything from this election (and the last one), it is that polling in the US on politics is a fucking joke. Not that I'd be surprised if the number was a whole lot higher than I'd be comfortable with anyway, but half of all Republicans sounds very unlikely.

it does seem like 99.9% of all americans would believe something they read on a geocities website.
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Yeah, 52% of Republicans POLLED believe that Trump won, from a sample size of 1,346 participants total (and we don't know anything about specific demographics). The Guardian link doesn't even cite a sample size. Trumpism is a disease in this country, but I'm not going to fall for more bullshit polling and (dare I say it?) fake news.
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fake news isn't sloppy reporting or bad polling... just because trump thinks everything is fake news doesn't mean that it actually is.

fake news started with people abusing social media spread and online ads to make hella money. kids in eastern europe would make websites with a news like name, they just stole a bunch of content (a lot of it legit from things like AP and Reuters), then wrote an article about how "Hillary/Trump is a pedophile" and spread it to social media to make money. that's fake news. it's literally a story that is made up to generate ad revenue. Russian IRA (that's a government psy-ops "company") perfected it since they figured it was such an easy way to spread misinformation.

i just want the term fake news to be used correctly about what it actually is, because it's an very interesting thing. to throw fake news at every poorly written news article is diluting the term, and thanks to trump most people aren't even aware of what fake news actually is.
I worked in a newsroom for several years and I'm well aware of what sloppy reporting is, how to write a headline, and what fake news is, thanks.

Something can be "fake news" without actually being "fake," or false - I.E. when an old sensational headline about someone starts to make the rounds again in an attempt to intentionally mislead the public. Polling a small sample of the electorate and providing minimal demographic details only to run a headline saying "Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: poll" is, at best, a very irresponsible and misleading headline, and at worst, demonstrably false, especially considering it's being shared under the guise of "wow, 35 million Republicans think Biden stole the election!" So no, while it's not an outright lie or propaganda, I think it's fair to say this falls under the umbrella of "fake" as in misleading and/or clickbait-type content.
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Re: Biden vs Trump
« Reply #599 on: November 19, 2020, 09:46:08 AM »
i was thinking more along the lines of corporate power...and religion.

Literally during Carter’s term partly in opposition to him and partly to get Reagan elected.   The book Reaganland is more than you’ll ever want to know on the subject