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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2022, 02:20:26 AM »
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thanks for the share! but Im a bit concerned with the quality loss of the Immersion RC Powerplay since it doesn´t record via firewire - any slap pals using this thing?

Yes, I'll try and make my thoughts as clear and concise as possible without rambling too much.

It's AV instead of Firewire, so there's definitely quality loss. From what I looked into, the Powerplay handles deinterlacing the footage and also does some artificial sharpening. When it comes to quality loss, the two main things I noticed were obviously detail loss; certain colours tend to get a strange red almost checkerboard/grain quality to them, and also when shooting fisheye it seems pretty jumpy/jittery which I believe comes down to the powerplay's deinterlacing.

It's a lot easier to put into tiers and you can tally it all up against your own criteria.

Positives:

- no more dealing with tapes - glitches, capturing, cold weather etc.
- can watch stuff back instantly.
- more storage.
- no need to deinterlace/convert stuff, just pull .mov files straight off it.
- cheaper than firewire based devices.

Negatives:

- quality loss.
- another thing to charge.
- the button to record is the same one to scroll through menus so it's fiddly to get used to.
- may need to experiment with AV cables/spacers to find one that works. obviously this product was not meant to be used for tapeless, so you either need a specific cable for audio to work properly, or use a spacer which a guy who i can't recall off the top of my head 3d prints and sells.

Realistically, what it comes down to is the convenience of it all, and I will say it's a lot more convenient using the powerplay over tapes. However, my experiences will be considered anecdotal at best and I'm sure a lot of people absolutely despise the powerplay/prefer firewire/etc. a more apt comparison would've been playing back the original tapes and rerecording them with the Powerplay, but here's 5 clips from tape/firewire and 5 from the Powerplay. Canon GL1, Opteka 0.3x, rendered at 720p 50fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOmpRFRmZY

For me personally just filming my friends and making videos for us to enjoy, I like the powerplay and will continue using it. If I was say filming for "proper" projects, using vx/mk1 etc, I would go for a firewire based solution. Hope this helps somewhat.

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2022, 02:34:50 PM »
Any other DR60 users?
I formatted my HVR-DR60 on my mac (FAT32) and since that I´m not able to record anymore

as soon as I turn my device on a error message "F:12:01" appears. (According to the manual it says "Format the HDD, HDD format error")
then, when I press stop, the device asks me if I wanna format it. After formatting it looks just as normal but it doesn´t record. Also tried formatting it again through the menu. if shut it off and on he whole cycle starts again: Error F:12:01 - formatting - no recording possible

it´s driving me crazy since it worked like a charm before. the folder structure is still the same when pluggin it into the mac.

Edit: fixed the problem. It was the trv´s fault. tried it with another trv and it worked perfectly
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2022, 02:49:34 PM »
Anyone experienced a CF card failing to record after working for a bit? Mine reached 49 clips and wouldn't record anymore. It was the card not the device, as another card worked.

Might try reformatting it to see if that works

EDIT: Checked back the footy on the second one and somehow that had recorded past a certain point, but the clips didn't show up on the PC. The MRC1 did throw an error at some point, but worked fine after powering it down and back up. Luckily I have a spare to work with.
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2022, 07:54:46 AM »
Gonna add onto the above and say it was definitely the error A:19:19 IIRC - it was definitely that sequence which is a CompactFlash recognition error. Thankfully not much was lost that day, but a pain none the less.

For next time it's definitely a swap out of the card after that error, take what is usable recorded before the error appeared and look at putting in a new card, then re-format the old one after footy is captured.
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #95 on: June 13, 2022, 09:28:13 PM »
Cheers to everyone sharing their experiences with these devices. So far they seem to be a bigger hassle than mini-dv tapes, regardless of eliminating dropouts. Transitional video tech can be frustrating.

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2022, 01:42:47 AM »
Cheers to everyone sharing their experiences with these devices. So far they seem to be a bigger hassle than mini-dv tapes, regardless of eliminating dropouts. Transitional video tech can be frustrating.

I wouldn't necessarily say that, my gripe post was probably the worst thing I had with the device par the batch of Sandisk cards that might've been too 'new' for the MRC1 (which I swapped for Transcend cards). I fixed the issue with a format on the device and it seems to be back to normal now.

Probably had a lot of times coming home to seeing glitches on tapes and/or the VX deciding to shit out on me when I'm out than I've had issues with the MRC1, but that's probably my luck with VX1s haha.
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2022, 03:16:09 AM »
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Cheers to everyone sharing their experiences with these devices. So far they seem to be a bigger hassle than mini-dv tapes, regardless of eliminating dropouts. Transitional video tech can be frustrating.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that, my gripe post was probably the worst thing I had with the device par the batch of Sandisk cards that might've been too 'new' for the MRC1 (which I swapped for Transcend cards). I fixed the issue with a format on the device and it seems to be back to normal now.

Probably had a lot of times coming home to seeing glitches on tapes and/or the VX deciding to shit out on me when I'm out than I've had issues with the MRC1, but that's probably my luck with VX1s haha.

Been super lucky with glitches altogether, maybe four distinctive ones in the past ten years. Nothing clip ruining, either.

The not-so-ergonomic placement possibilities of the recorder, fear of scraping the firewire cord (I've managed to scratch the butt of the camera alone several times) and same capture process as with tapes are the biggest cons for me. Doesn't change the fact that tapes are going to run out sooner than later, tho.

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2022, 03:40:40 AM »
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Cheers to everyone sharing their experiences with these devices. So far they seem to be a bigger hassle than mini-dv tapes, regardless of eliminating dropouts. Transitional video tech can be frustrating.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that, my gripe post was probably the worst thing I had with the device par the batch of Sandisk cards that might've been too 'new' for the MRC1 (which I swapped for Transcend cards). I fixed the issue with a format on the device and it seems to be back to normal now.

Probably had a lot of times coming home to seeing glitches on tapes and/or the VX deciding to shit out on me when I'm out than I've had issues with the MRC1, but that's probably my luck with VX1s haha.
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Been super lucky with glitches altogether, maybe four distinctive ones in the past ten years. Nothing clip ruining, either.

The not-so-ergonomic placement possibilities of the recorder, fear of scraping the firewire cord (I've managed to scratch the butt of the camera alone several times) and same capture process as with tapes are the biggest cons for me. Doesn't change the fact that tapes are going to run out sooner than later, tho.

I find this part almost similar, but the idea of just opening Handbrake, opening VLC player so I can quickly scan over clips to check for the mark or half hand, drop the clips over and running it to render is almost half that of logging tapes. Usually a day's worth of footy is captured and rendered in 30 mins.

Yeah I must be unlucky, been a good few times I've also had the issue of the camera asking me to eject the tape mid line or just on a busy session. Annoying. Don't miss using tapes one bit, plus the cost of them now is mental.

To be honest with the placement of the FireWire cord, I just slide it through the hand grip and it's barely at the bottom as opposed to going along the side. I did used to mount it underneath, but I changed it after I slammed onto it. I wish there was a way to mount the device flat on top, but then you lose the shoe mount for using a light. That's my main gripe.
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2022, 05:05:21 AM »
Can someone just invent a DV Tape that actually records to an SD card pls?

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2022, 07:45:57 AM »
Can someone just invent a DV Tape that actually records to an SD card pls?

Not the same thing, but I'm pretty sure Mike Crook was developing that integrated D60 recorder into the tape deck. I'm not sure how far he's got, but it was looking really cool.

I'm sure there must be some way to work out a way to have something read onto tape, that directs back to an input i.e CF or SD card. Probably some mad tech behind it, but there's got to be a way? I mean, something like those tape to 3.5mm input cassettes you could get BITD for cars, so you can play off a CD player or MP3 player?
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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #101 on: June 20, 2022, 07:02:15 PM »
Sorry if this same problem has been brought up before in this thread, but I am in a dire situation with my Sony HVR MRCK1.It worked well with my Sony VX1 for about 6 months, and then started to shit out mid session, losing connection with the camera, cutting out mid clip, etc. I even lost a few tricks due to it's inconsistency.

In the past year I've troubleshot basically every compononent; I bought a faster CF card, did the Firmware Update, tried a new Firewire cable, and I have even tried it out with a friends very mint VX2100 to eliminate the idea that my VX1000 had a bad DV input socket; same results with every possible combination. I've wasted money and time, and at this point I just want to sell it.

Problem is, I don't feel right listing it for any more than $100 when it seems like the problem is with the device itself, although I haven´t seen any similair stories online about this. Any words of advice, methods, or problems I haven't considered? Thanks pals and filmer nerds

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #102 on: June 21, 2022, 05:44:13 AM »
Is there any other community besides skateboarding that invests so much effort into continuing to use an SD video camera? Genuinely curious about this.

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Re: External Recorder Megathread (Bypass Tape Deck for VX)
« Reply #103 on: June 21, 2022, 06:34:00 AM »
Is there any other community besides skateboarding that invests so much effort into continuing to use an SD video camera? Genuinely curious about this.

I think about this frequently and despite not knowing the answer, it’s gotta be extremely few and far between. We skaters are a fickle bunch. I couldn’t keep up with all of the maintenance anymore, but Jah bless all of you still filming the good fight with the GOAT.

That being said, MK1/wooden mic on an HD 4:3 set up and you’re golden.
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