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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #390 on: July 02, 2021, 07:51:07 AM »
The surfy goth stuff doesn't inherently bother me but I've yet to find any that I consider remarkably exciting.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #391 on: July 02, 2021, 08:39:23 AM »
bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?

i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #392 on: July 02, 2021, 08:47:54 AM »
Chris Isaak has being doing this for awhile:

http://youtu.be/OIkPvBcbQYI

His stuff is definitely worth a listen if you’ve never checked it out.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #393 on: July 02, 2021, 09:00:53 AM »
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bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
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i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?

i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #394 on: July 02, 2021, 09:41:05 AM »
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bumping my own thread cause why not bb


I can’t stand the wave of “surf-goth” bands that have gotten popular in the last 5-10 years. The Growlers don’t appeal to me at all.

Can someone fill me in on the appeal?
[close]

i had no idea that "surf-goth" is a thing of late. i wonder if this "wave" (no pun intended?) goes back to these guys, who are another band--one way or the other--that i feel like people either love or hate...i dig them, but it could be out of nostalgia too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEntd_aU3aI

i could be completely wrong here, but are The Wipers in this genre?
[close]

i think the whole thing has more to do with mixing contradictory vibes and aesthetics than certain bands or waves in genres influencing the sound.

i mean agent orange and wipers had surf influences for sure, but i blame that on territory and/or the fact that they had not as broad a range of genres back then they could be influenced from. as an early punk band you most likely were influenced by fast and rugged rockn roll, glam rock, surf and then stuff like velvet underground or even funk and soul that was played with lots of temp and energy.

to me the surf-goth thing seems like it's mostly done by people who are actually not that much invested in either surf or goth. more like garage-indie rockers having this ironic idea of making music that at first evokes memories of sunny beaches, waves and bad ass surfers, but they turn the dramatic parts into dread and try to infuse it with gloom and apathy. the mental picture to me is a dead beach that has always bad weather, very murky water, kind of like the dogtown ocean park surf spot on a very gloomy day.

funny thing reading this--have you ever heard of Further? if you were buying vinyl in the early to mid 1990s, they were in the record bins at points, and they were definitely playing around with a surfy kind of thing...case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xtgrNNVnTc

i dug/dig their lo-fi thing, but my friends mostly thought they were pretty "after the fact" when it came to 1990s "indie" music. i've never taken the time to look up any lyrics, so i don't know if they convey "gloom and apathy," but this one seems to, even if the music does not really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJubJYkH0g

this is one of my favorites from them, and it does not seem very gloomy...in fact, it seems "very sparkly"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIOQW2NvJvc

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #395 on: July 02, 2021, 08:46:13 PM »
great post deputy, definetly a good example of the mood i described, but certainly more 90sish in the sense that it still sounds like quirky 90s indie rock to me, sort of like polvo with a surfy vibe, very cool.

i guess the 10s surf rock thing leans more into the repetitive, treble heavy post punk goth guitar sound and straight up mixes it with slowed down surf rythms, which i think is much more derivative and formulaic than creating that mood and associations more freely and then landing into ones own niche of contemporary indie sounds.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #396 on: July 04, 2021, 12:59:25 PM »
Some great links being posted here and it all but confirms my distaste for the current wave of bands emulating (or trying) this sound. It’s been years since I’d listened to Agent Orange so thanks for the reminder up there.


Kinda unrelated but I’ve been in a silly mood musically - any of y’all like The Dickies or Toy Dolls? If you listen to them in the context of having a silly time - they fucking rip.


http://youtu.be/ucLrGZv6z5Q

http://youtu.be/QaYCaaWtrTc