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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #330 on: April 06, 2021, 03:54:36 AM »
Crass were the bad kind of anarchist, if I recall. Not syndicalists, but individualist anarchist, which is basically libertarian. Other bands on their label had way better politics and made better music (Zounds is a personal favorite). The first record is half good, but they get successively worse from then on, except for a few good tracks off of Penis Envy.

Iíll explain my opinion regarding the death of punk. Lots of bands play music in the style of punk, and many of them are very good; some are even better than actual first wave punk bands. However, punk isnít just a style of musicóit was a moment in history where things seemed truly up in the air and unsettled, where new possibilities presented themselves in music and beyond. When those possibilities closed off for various reasons, punk died and its remnants splintered into various scenes, which themselves eventually died and splintered. But the music itself still reverberates through bands that interpret that moment of possibility without actually having lived in it.

They were anarcho pacifists, which is collectivist in nature and hold very similar views to that of anarchist communist and anarcho syndicalists views, but pacifist believe that the general strike is the beginning and the end movements towards classes, post scarcity society. This is in contrast to other libertarian socialist ideals which view the general strike as a crucial step towards classless society, but not the only necessary action.

But, tendencies and the minutia of anarchism aside, the point was that they showed me what was out there, and to a middle class kid that was invigorating.

But there were a tons of amazing bands to come out of crass records that I like more than crass: zounds, omega tribe, flux of pink indians, poison girls, and by extension via Corpus Christi- conflict, rudimentary peni, and crucifix.

Sources- now and after: the abcís of anarchist communism by berkman 
Revolution and the state: anarchism in the Spanish civil war
Anarchism: a history of libertarian ideas and movements by George woodcock

And me, currently trying to write a book about leftist anti-Bolshevism during the Russian revolution and civil war, concentrating on the Kronstadt rebellion and the Ukrainian free territory
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #331 on: April 06, 2021, 04:39:28 AM »
Weezer is one of the best bands of all time and 9 of their 14 albums are really good.
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #332 on: April 06, 2021, 06:17:16 AM »
the conversation about punk rock being alive or dead is one i could truly get lost in here, and don't really have the time. i will say that i'm with Mr. Stinky, in that you can't just talk about it with regards to the music and culture--historical context (social, political, and economic) is part of it too, right? fuck, where would 1980s punk be without the Reagan family shitting all over the country and world?

i was in isolation throughout most of my early years and really had to explore and discover on my own, and i got ahold of a Toxic Shock mailorder catalogue when i was like 10 or 11, and it's funny how the first few orders i made influenced and determined my tastes indelibly (edit: i literally ordered a number of the first EPs and LPs based on their covers)...here is a seriously random sampling of some oldies but goodies that i played nonstop as a young and aspiring iconoclast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0dLCDLorQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckpros4jW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_XH_RB5LU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL4WVOOU77M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0KaTQRbhA

hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #333 on: April 06, 2021, 06:24:13 AM »
Punk most certainly is not dead, FUCK OFF blasphemers!!!!

Yeah most decent bandís have moved on from their initial inception. Sex Pistols were garbage Crass is not garbage, just my opinions though.

Punk is still around and kicking, maybe the scene sucks where youíll live but thatís where you do something about it!

Yep. All this.

Every year punk produces amazing bands, but mostly it's just music. I find more of the punk ethos these days in some of the smaller D.I.Y. techno and queer scenes and other movements. There's still very close knit anarchist collectives throughout the world. There's still communities claiming space as their own. There's people doing great work in harm-reduction, working with refugees, educating kids in school about consent and gendered violence etc. A lot of people I know that do this work are/or were part of their respective local punk scenes. It's not dead by any means, but it's no longer confined to an isolated scene.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #334 on: April 06, 2021, 11:54:41 AM »
"punk is dead" is some dumb boomer shit. It's only gotten better.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #335 on: April 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM »
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #336 on: April 06, 2021, 11:59:36 AM »
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead." 

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« Reply #337 on: April 06, 2021, 12:10:07 PM »
People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."

I think we're agreeing with each other dude

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #338 on: April 06, 2021, 12:18:00 PM »
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People still play punk music, and much of it is very good; no one says otherwise. The point is that the things that made punk what it was are no longer specific to punk, if they ever were in the first place (they weren't), and bands that play punk were and are frequently coopted by commercial actors whose entire purpose is essentially to undermine the "punk ethos", however you might define it. It's been that way since 1977, and even before then.  That's what people mean when they say "punk is dead."
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I think we're agreeing with each other dude

Yeah, we definitely are.  I'm just trying to set it straight that if you view punk as primarily aesthetic, it's not dead, whereas viewing it in a broader social and political context changes that entirely. 

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« Reply #339 on: April 06, 2021, 12:47:45 PM »
Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol



That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #340 on: April 06, 2021, 12:59:26 PM »
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.

Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #341 on: April 06, 2021, 01:22:41 PM »
hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8

@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #342 on: April 06, 2021, 01:50:24 PM »
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k

cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!


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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #343 on: April 06, 2021, 05:21:03 PM »
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k
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cheers Frozen, i had heard both songs and i agree that despite loving the Misfits as is, it would indeed have been "wild and cool" if they had continued on with that set up--how did i not realize there is no guitar until now?

i'm right there with you on Change Today. based off of what you've said in this and other threads, you seem to have a pretty deep knowledge of skate video history, but just in case, Suregrip "Summer Sessions" is one of the reasons this album is especially important to me...this was one of the first videos i actually owned, and i pretty much wore that fucker out from playing it so much...especially the "Terror at Tahoe" part, which--deliciously enough--includes both of the songs you and i have been talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Os9JNx4pgs

i love the beginning Del Mar session to "Red Shadows" too!
https://youtu.be/d8m1nRzsOJM
Dude TSOL, Sister's of Mercy, Nine Inch Nails, along with Clan of Xymox were in heavy rotation when I was younger.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #344 on: April 06, 2021, 05:44:55 PM »
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.



Not the same and "dead" are very different things.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #345 on: April 06, 2021, 06:39:06 PM »
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.

They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #346 on: April 06, 2021, 11:07:04 PM »
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k

Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #347 on: April 07, 2021, 05:51:35 AM »
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean


In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #348 on: April 07, 2021, 06:21:45 AM »
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.

Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #349 on: April 07, 2021, 01:30:23 PM »
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hey, correspondingly, anybody ever hear this crazy fucking version of "She"? i could listen to this version all day...and how crazy is this all edited to actual footage of Patty Hearst robbing that fucking bank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lPetHDI7m8
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@Deputy Wendell  That version of She is the best version, from the Cough/Cool 7". They didn't have a guitarist at the time so Glenn played electric piano through a fuzz pedal. Here is the A side if you haven't heard it. I love it, love how prominent Jerry's bass in in the mix. I fucking love the Misfits but how wild and cool would it have been if they just kept going like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxOa3ZjPKk

As for my unpopular opinion, that TSOL track you posted above and the whole album it is on are criminally underrated and it smokes just about everything they did with Jack Girsham (aside from Beneath the Shadows). My favorite from that album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf6RLA4r4k
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Fuck yes. The first time I heard that version of She I nearly shit my pants. It's amazing. I have a huge soft spot for Flowers by the Door too, as it was on Billabong's Surf into Summer video that came out in '87. One of the first surf vids I ever did see.
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Psyched to find out that other people like that TSOL record. And that era of the Misfits. Deputy, I haven't seen Summer Sessions before but I am psyched to watch it this weekend.

i'm glad you're going to check it out Frozen, but be warned, some of the skits between parts are hard to sit through--it was the early 1980s and all....part of the reason my stepdad and i were always beefed out because i wore out a vcr or two because i was rewinding and fastforwarding all of the time...still, plenty of incredible skating edited to TSOL nonetheless, especially the "Terror at Tahoe" segment...

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« Reply #350 on: April 07, 2021, 01:57:29 PM »
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Idk man the sooner you all understand that a lot of punk ethos was actually just disgruntled weirdos wanting a piece of the capitalist pie and not being willing to put on a suit/make arena rock for it, not anyone who was actually a radical or a freedom fighter, the easier it will be for yall to admit it is dead and gone...

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of new stuff and I think a lot of bands are doing great things with the original sound and repurposing the original vibe... but how long are we going to drag the 1980s on for? Very few of these new bands used their music to speak out against Trump the same way bands in the 80s spoke out against Reagan. So what's the actual purpose now? Nobody's really taking shit to the extreme anymore, a lot of it is cosmetic.

Also I'm 25. lol
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That's a pretty narrow point of view of what the "punk ethos" is, whatever that means. Do you not believe there are modern bands singing about modern political issues? Because that is downright absurd.
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Nah man I didn't say none, I said only some are, which is true. You gotta admit the urgency to address these issues isn't the same as it was in the Reagan/Thatcher era. I think I've heard a few older guys say that it's because there's no army draft anymore, among other things. It's just not the same! And that's ok. I think someone else in this thread might have said it but, a lot of the stuff punk wants to do is getting done by hip hop and electronic music instead nowadays.
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Not the same and "dead" are very different things.
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They're the same in this context. Like I said the ethos doesn't mean much anymore. google punk ethos if you wanna know what i mean
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In what context? Because you declared it? Every point you're making is being contradicted. There's no way anybody can pretend you're being close to reasonable.

lol what's getting contradicted? the material conditions of the world are not the same as they were when punk rock was created and eventually faded out as a movement around 1987. the genre can still get made but that doesn't mean the movement itself is still a living, breathing thing. dressing up like it's 1983 doesn't make it 1983. having a band that sounds like saccharine trust doesn't make you saccharine trust... the world the punk movement was created in response to doesn't exist anymore. are we done here

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #351 on: April 07, 2021, 03:14:57 PM »
As long as there is bullshit to rage against, young people will still continue making punk. The economic problems of the 70ís and threat of nuclear war gave us the nihilism that sparked punk.

We now have global warming and capitalism ruining every facet of life. Punk is still living in pockets (especially the queer and scenes in other countries, like Indonesia) and will return at some point.
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #352 on: April 07, 2021, 04:14:20 PM »
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #353 on: April 07, 2021, 05:28:26 PM »
nah there's something there. i'd say the same for nu metal too lol there's my unpopular addition

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #354 on: April 07, 2021, 05:56:10 PM »
man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose


No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #355 on: April 07, 2021, 07:23:37 PM »
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man I told you the opinion was unpopular. proof's in the pudding i s'pose
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No, you're just saying things that are kinda dumb under the guise of it being an opinion. Everything you said is no longer happening is happening. "In this context different and dead mean the same thing" is a dumb thing to say. Sorry. Hell, did you Google "punk ethos"? "The punk ethos is primarily made up of beliefs such as non-conformity, anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporatism, a do-it-yourself ethic, anti-consumerist, anti-corporate greed, direct action."


All of those things are happening. Fuck, I personally participate in a lot of those things. There are entire bands, establishments, communes, labels, and collectives doing all of those things. Just because you're not a part of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

you're purposefully disregarding the super valid points i'm making because you feel personally attacked, which is cool i guess... i still go to punk shows, i know the genre is still being made and the general thing is still being done. does it carry the same relevancy it did when it was new and was responding to something specific in the culture around it? no lol. it's already been stolen and sold back to you. it's been commodified. and it's a cool thing to be now in the regular world. it isn't dangerous anymore. barely any rock music is. so it's dead, according to my opinion. lol.

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #356 on: April 07, 2021, 08:33:31 PM »
the sex pistols were a boy band put together so vivenne westwood could sell clothes. public image was great
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #357 on: April 07, 2021, 08:46:16 PM »
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #358 on: April 07, 2021, 08:50:48 PM »
music about specific politicians almost unilaterally sucks

I take it you donít like first wave hardcore or...
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Re: unpopular opinions thread - music edition
« Reply #359 on: April 07, 2021, 08:53:47 PM »
I enjoy a specific handful of punk bands but don't really find the overall sound of punk as a genre to be enjoyable. Deathgrind, grindcore, and black metal are where it's at for me. Blast beats are everything.