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Sizing Down
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:08:30 PM »
I started skating in 1998, stopped in 2006, started in 2018 again. The widest thing I ever rode prior was a 7.8, mostly 7.75. Low trucks, didn’t turn for shit, but I had much better pop and flip tricks. I’m on an 8.25 and 144s now and while I think lots of my stuff is at least “there”, flip tricks just don’t flick or feel natural and my pop is lower. I’ve tried a ton of modern shapes and widths and this is the best so far.

Curious to hear anyone’s good and bad stories about sizing down to an “older” setup maybe 7.8-8 to start. I’m 6 foot 3 with a size 10

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2021, 08:24:41 PM »
I rode 7.75” back when, When I get the urge, I put 144s on an 8.125 to get it out of my system; been over a decade since I tried anything smaller. Size 10/5’9”/184lbs (fit).

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2021, 09:12:49 PM »
I like to keep my trucks wide (around 8.25-8.5) but I have no problem skating an 8.125 on them (compared to even an 8.25 there is an obvious improvement in my tech abilities and pop when I size down)

Grew up skating 8, then 8.25 for years, then 8.5 for a couple of years. Im 5'10" 180lb sz 9.5-10

On an 8.25 right now and honestly thinks its pretty clunky compared to my nimble 8.125 (same brand, same shape, just slightly shorter nose) but then again there are some important differences. For example on 8.25 I can get into a nose slide blindfolded (ok not rly) but on 8.125 I gotta stand on my forefoot so my sole doesnt stick and fuck my slide up (dont even mention tailslides, impossible for me to do consistently on anything smaller than 8.25).

I'd recommend you try some new trucks. Preferably lower ones since 144s are tall as fuck. Id recommend ace since theyre lower but feel the same as Indys.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2021, 09:24:52 PM »
I'm down to a 7.875 with 8.0 trucks. Feels great. I still keep a bigger shaped board around to cruise on or to goof around on curbs but I'm satisfied with my smaller setup now. I have short, tired, legs so it really helps keep the session going strong.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2021, 10:08:56 PM »
I'm down to a 7.875 with 8.0 trucks. Feels great. I still keep a bigger shaped board around to cruise on or to goof around on curbs but I'm satisfied with my smaller setup now. I have short, tired, legs so it really helps keep the session going strong.

im pretty sure I have short legs too but im in denial

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2021, 11:44:59 PM »
When I first started skating around 2006 I did not know that there were deck sizes, I just picked the board based on the graphic, then when I realized that there were different sizes of skateboards I first went with 8' boards, cause that was recommended to me.
I then pretty quickly graduated to 8.25, then to 8.5 then I went to 8.6 and then to 8.8. This all within a year.
Then I eventually bought a 9 Inch popsicle and stuck with it for almost 7 years. In the recent years I developed a love for shaped big boards and went from 9.25 all the way up to a 10 inch.

Currently I am riding 10 inch boards and can't see myself sizing down at any point. I have to mention though that I am pretty tall (6.7 - 6.8 with size 13 feet) and I mostly skate transition.

Sizing up always felt good but when I had to size down, mostly cause I couldn't find big enough boards, it always felt weird and it took very long to get adapted to the smaller board again.
That's why I now buy big boards in bulk so I don't ever have to size down again.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2021, 01:10:52 AM »
when i skated from 1999 to 2007ish I skated 7.5s exclusively, venture lows... pretty atypical for the time. I have size US11 feet. I'm 5'9 with relatively short legs so i always skate 14" WB regardless of width.

Came back to skating in 2019 and started out on 7.75s, after i got my legs back i found i was over-flicking most tricks, and the decks were just a bit wild and unpredictable on some flip tricks.

I took the plunge and sized up to an 8.25 setup and ran that for about a year, got on much better.

On a whim a few months back i set up a 7.875 habitat and some venture lows, to see if it would help on a few flips i was struggling to learn on the 8.25. It was a beast for flips, as you would expect, but also a bit wild and easy to overspin, my feet also struggled with a smaller platform, rolled my ankle pretty bad on a fakie varial heel where i missed the catch and rolled over the tail.

I still have the smaller setup and will use it on occasion, it's way easier to heelflip for me because i learnt those back in the day on toothpick 7.5s... but overall i prefer the 8.25 setup, it gives more margin for error and helps my big feet.

give it a blast and see how you go, my general experience was that it helped in some areas but hindered others.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2021, 05:30:47 AM »
I just bought from a friend for super cheap a polar board 7.875 and royal 5.25 low. I have been on 7.6 in the late 90s and mostly 8 during the 2000s, but from 2013 i tried to go bigger on a 8.25 which felt quite good for slides/grinds but the flip department suffered a lot. The last two years i have been on 8.125 which is perfect with 14 wb, low/mid trucks and 50-52 wheels, but sucked with high triucks and big wheels (54). Now the 7.875 made me feel like a teenager again, it is super light and flippy, but again it depends what trucks and wheels i use, the low trucks are super light but then i lose a lot of pop if i am with small wheels, it would be better with risers or some kind of mid trucks. I quess everything depends on what the person is looking for and of course depends on the body. I am thinking to go to 8 again with some mid hight trucks and 52 wheels, coz my body composition is just for this and i skate mainly ledges, manny pads and some small stairs/gaps. I think for a plaza sk8ing the smaller the better, and for rougher streets, stairs, rails and tranny wie it is better to go wider with an appropriate wb for you body.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2021, 07:23:47 AM »
I rode 7.75” back when, When I get the urge, I put 144s on an 8.125 to get it out of my system; been over a decade since I tried anything smaller. Size 10/5’9”/184lbs (fit).

Id do this....or fuck it....piece together another set up and see how it feels. 

I think there's still a strong argument that skating an 8' on 139's is a perfectly decent set up...bringing in a shoe size and weight more or less are details to support everyone's preferences....


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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2021, 09:59:08 AM »
I’m pretty lanky at 165 at my height.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2021, 10:21:28 AM »
Size down to a 8.1 or go up a size to 8.38 and suck really bad then go back to the 8.25 and see how good you are then. lol 

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2021, 10:29:26 AM »
I started skating in 1998, stopped in 2006, started in 2018 again. The widest thing I ever rode prior was a 7.8, mostly 7.75. Low trucks, didn’t turn for shit, but I had much better pop and flip tricks. I’m on an 8.25 and 144s now and while I think lots of my stuff is at least “there”, flip tricks just don’t flick or feel natural and my pop is lower. I’ve tried a ton of modern shapes and widths and this is the best so far.

Curious to hear anyone’s good and bad stories about sizing down to an “older” setup maybe 7.8-8 to start. I’m 6 foot 3 with a size 10

i use to ride 7.75" same story skated in the mid90s and early 00s stopped skating and picked it up again during covid, started with an 8.25 and thought it was the board but come to find out its the wheelbase that makes things feel off. i like an 8" now but can ride any size up to an 9.5" deck as long as it has a 14" wb. as boards get into 8.25"+ the wb start to become 14.25"+  and 7.75" decks have a 13.9"-14" wheelbase.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2021, 10:54:48 AM »
Don't discount wheelbase. I skated 7.875 for most of last year because I thought 8.25" was too big. I switched back to 8.25 but only if the wheelbase is 14". I was on the 9.25" couch shape for a bit and that wasn't as hard to flip as I expected because the wb is 13.75"

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2021, 12:59:57 PM »
What BBS companies do a 14 aside from April? Most are 14.25 for an 8 bar some Real Full SE's

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2021, 03:03:46 PM »
What BBS companies do a 14 aside from April? Most are 14.25 for an 8 bar some Real Full SE's

Primitive. Great 8.125/8.25 shapes btw. Unsure how different compared to April they are.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2021, 03:39:53 PM »
FA and Hockey are 14 for 8 and 14.12 for 8.25
They have been bbs for quite some time.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2021, 04:20:15 PM »
I started in '88, when I was a very small child. The skateboard was massive and out of control, so I was thrilled when New School skating emerged and I could ride a somewhat appropriately sized deck.

I've always skated, but there were times where I took it more seriously, but I would say that I started again in earnest (meaning I started thinking about skating, cared about my setup, made time to skate during the week) about 5-6 years ago. Like every aging 30-something skater getting back into it, I thought I had to get a 9" wide board with Ace 66s or 159s Indys, so I did. It was fine and fun, and I'd still skate that setup today (all the parts are in a box in the basement), but then I started sizing down and realized that I skate much, much better on a "normal" width board.

I've been gradually slimming down, to 8.75", 8.5", and now I've found my sweet spot at 8.25" (give or take) with 144s, with a 14-14.25" wheelbase. I even set up an 8" popsicle, using some sweet Indy 139s I found at the thrift store, but I don't skate it much because I find the 8.25 to be so perfect for my needs. Anyway, I expect I'll stick in the 8-8.5" range from now on. It really works for me and I don't see a huge advantage to wider boards and trucks.

FWIW, size 9 shoe
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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2021, 05:33:12 PM »
So glad this thread popped up. I used to skate 8.25-8.5 popsicles for a majority of my time skating - then I had a pretty severe injury which had me cruising and skating transition for 2 or so years.

I’m only small at 5’6 but I had a tonne of fun skating these and changed my style quite dramatically as well as a result of the bigger boards, more slappies/foot plants ect. Now that I’m recovered fully I’d like to be more well rounded again, so I’ve been slowly stepping back onto popsicles. First 9” but now I’m trying my hardest to adjust to an 8.25 which I’m actually digging.

The weight is honestly the biggest difference to me, but I’m definitely noticing I can skate for longer/more technical. Fingers crossed I can keep it this way because I’m still very tempted by big shapes.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2021, 11:23:26 AM »
Started skating in 2000 didn't know much about board sizes etc and the dipshit who worked at the skate shop sold me an 8.25 (which was huge at the time) with 7.5 tensor lows and 59mm conical wheels (which were also ridiculous) this was my setup for two years and I struggled to learn anything.

Then from 2002-04 I rode 7.5ish and my skating improved. It still sucked skating hills and bowls but I could Ollie pretty high and because I have size 13 feet it fit right between my toes and arch of my foot

2004-2012 I'd ride 8.5 with Indy 149 and 54mm wheels seemed pretty perfect for me (im 6'6) altho I think someone 5'9 rides an 8 and it's perfect for them so it doesn't really make sense

2012-2015 started riding 8.75 and bigger but my skating started to suffer I lost a lot of pop and control. The board often wouldn't stay connected to my feet when I Ollied I think because of the added weight (and of course my declining skill level)

2015 I had some weird dream I was skating a wide board with skinny trucks and it was really fun so I tried it for real and it worked out pretty good. An 8.75 with 7.5 trucks flips really well and is like a cheat setup for doing slappys I don't know of it's been mentioned by anyone before but if you have trouble doing slappys try putting skinny trucks on your board.

Now I just ride a 7.75 but I'm old and fat and barely do more than Ollie's and manuals

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2021, 01:23:42 PM »
During my prime skating days growing up (1998ish to 2006) I think the biggest board I ever owned was 7.75”.  I usually skated 7.63’s or 7.5’s.  I remember one of my friends had an 8.00” and we all thought it was comically big back then. Now getting back into fully skating as an adult I’ve jumped around on a bunch of board sizes between 8.00” and 9.00”.  I recently sized down from 8.5’s to 8.25’s and noticed I haven’t lost any of the stability on grinds and slides but definitely appreciate the added ease of flipping the board.  I’m thinking about dropping down to 8.125” or even 8.00” at some point but I don’t want to lose the ability to effectively use my Ace 44s. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2021, 02:02:42 PM »
During my prime skating days growing up (1998ish to 2006) I think the biggest board I ever owned was 7.75”.  I usually skated 7.63’s or 7.5’s.  I remember one of my friends had an 8.00” and we all thought it was comically big back then. Now getting back into fully skating as an adult I’ve jumped around on a bunch of board sizes between 8.00” and 9.00”.  I recently sized down from 8.5’s to 8.25’s and noticed I haven’t lost any of the stability on grinds and slides but definitely appreciate the added ease of flipping the board.  I’m thinking about dropping down to 8.125” or even 8.00” at some point but I don’t want to lose the ability to effectively use my Ace 44s.

I definitely noticed diminishing returns when I got to 8". The board flips a lot easier, but that is of little concern to me, and I wasn't as comfortable with my grinds or in the bowl as I was at 8.25".
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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2021, 06:18:25 PM »
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What BBS companies do a 14 aside from April? Most are 14.25 for an 8 bar some Real Full SE's
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Primitive. Great 8.125/8.25 shapes btw. Unsure how different compared to April they are.

Primitive does 8, 8.125 and 8.25 with 31.9 length and 14 WB, some beautiful shit there. Compared to April, Primitive have the signature BBS steep concave and kicks with a slightly pointier nose. April decks are flat and mellow with a fuller nose.

DSM brands (Enjoi, Darkstar, Blind, Almost) still do 8.0 decks with 14 WB, but some pro models are 14.25. The Thank You website has the dimensions listed.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2021, 07:45:02 PM »
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During my prime skating days growing up (1998ish to 2006) I think the biggest board I ever owned was 7.75”.  I usually skated 7.63’s or 7.5’s.  I remember one of my friends had an 8.00” and we all thought it was comically big back then. Now getting back into fully skating as an adult I’ve jumped around on a bunch of board sizes between 8.00” and 9.00”.  I recently sized down from 8.5’s to 8.25’s and noticed I haven’t lost any of the stability on grinds and slides but definitely appreciate the added ease of flipping the board.  I’m thinking about dropping down to 8.125” or even 8.00” at some point but I don’t want to lose the ability to effectively use my Ace 44s.
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I definitely noticed diminishing returns when I got to 8". The board flips a lot easier, but that is of little concern to me, and I wasn't as comfortable with my grinds or in the bowl as I was at 8.25".


That’s my biggest concern with sizing down too far.  I have this fantasy of getting a much deeper bag of flip tricks back but honestly I have more fun just grinding stuff.  Also, visually, 8.0’s and 8 inch trucks look kind of crazy at this point and would take some getting used to. 

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2021, 08:53:18 PM »
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During my prime skating days growing up (1998ish to 2006) I think the biggest board I ever owned was 7.75”.  I usually skated 7.63’s or 7.5’s.  I remember one of my friends had an 8.00” and we all thought it was comically big back then. Now getting back into fully skating as an adult I’ve jumped around on a bunch of board sizes between 8.00” and 9.00”.  I recently sized down from 8.5’s to 8.25’s and noticed I haven’t lost any of the stability on grinds and slides but definitely appreciate the added ease of flipping the board.  I’m thinking about dropping down to 8.125” or even 8.00” at some point but I don’t want to lose the ability to effectively use my Ace 44s.
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I definitely noticed diminishing returns when I got to 8". The board flips a lot easier, but that is of little concern to me, and I wasn't as comfortable with my grinds or in the bowl as I was at 8.25".
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That’s my biggest concern with sizing down too far.  I have this fantasy of getting a much deeper bag of flip tricks back but honestly I have more fun just grinding stuff.  Also, visually, 8.0’s and 8 inch trucks look kind of crazy at this point and would take some getting used to.

Honestly, looking down at an 8" board, even after skating an 8.25", feels like a little toy. Like a small child should be skating it. I can adjust eventually but I find myself almost embarrassed to be seen with something so "unserious".
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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2021, 12:57:32 PM »
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During my prime skating days growing up (1998ish to 2006) I think the biggest board I ever owned was 7.75”.  I usually skated 7.63’s or 7.5’s.  I remember one of my friends had an 8.00” and we all thought it was comically big back then. Now getting back into fully skating as an adult I’ve jumped around on a bunch of board sizes between 8.00” and 9.00”.  I recently sized down from 8.5’s to 8.25’s and noticed I haven’t lost any of the stability on grinds and slides but definitely appreciate the added ease of flipping the board.  I’m thinking about dropping down to 8.125” or even 8.00” at some point but I don’t want to lose the ability to effectively use my Ace 44s.
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I definitely noticed diminishing returns when I got to 8". The board flips a lot easier, but that is of little concern to me, and I wasn't as comfortable with my grinds or in the bowl as I was at 8.25".
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That’s my biggest concern with sizing down too far.  I have this fantasy of getting a much deeper bag of flip tricks back but honestly I have more fun just grinding stuff.  Also, visually, 8.0’s and 8 inch trucks look kind of crazy at this point and would take some getting used to.
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Honestly, looking down at an 8" board, even after skating an 8.25", feels like a little toy. Like a small child should be skating it. I can adjust eventually but I find myself almost embarrassed to be seen with something so "unserious".

Lol I feel you on that.  It’s such a weird phenomenon for just a quarter inch but it’s real.  I was messing around on my friends FA 8.0” a few weeks ago and it felt real awkward (his trucks were also kinda tight which didn’t help)…

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2021, 10:04:53 PM »
Haven’t read too much about sizing down here.
Looooove the talk about: ‘I’m soooo huge so I require a gigantic board…’ Jake Nunn tho.
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I can never stay set on one setup, but I certainly don’t skate any ‘better’ as they get wider.

I too have felt self conscious about riding something small. For what it’s worth, and this definitely me being older, smaller (often younger) skaters on huge boards, looks less cool than a bigger skater/littler board scenario, to me. Just a product of our times.

Sizing up, from say 7.75 to 8.25, felt great, for awhile. I think the constant for me is 8” trucks. I like kickflips better on wide trucks, like 8.75-9 ish, but everything else is a bummer on those big boards, for me. I’m horrible, and also horrible at grinds, but larger trucks do not help me: too easy for me to not be locked in.

Anyways, a setup with 8” trucks is worth a try, imo. 7.75-8.25 is a very functional deck width range.
Smaller than that, too small.

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2021, 06:35:24 PM »
Haven’t read too much about sizing down here.
Looooove the talk about: ‘I’m soooo huge so I require a gigantic board…’ Jake Nunn tho.
Jk

I can never stay set on one setup, but I certainly don’t skate any ‘better’ as they get wider.

I too have felt self conscious about riding something small. For what it’s worth, and this definitely me being older, smaller (often younger) skaters on huge boards, looks less cool than a bigger skater/littler board scenario, to me. Just a product of our times.

Sizing up, from say 7.75 to 8.25, felt great, for awhile. I think the constant for me is 8” trucks. I like kickflips better on wide trucks, like 8.75-9 ish, but everything else is a bummer on those big boards, for me. I’m horrible, and also horrible at grinds, but larger trucks do not help me: too easy for me to not be locked in.

Anyways, a setup with 8” trucks is worth a try, imo. 7.75-8.25 is a very functional deck width range.
Smaller than that, too small.

I like skating 8.5 trucks on 8.1 decks for this reason lol. With skinny wheels (classics) they dont rly stick out too much (8.25 width from wheel to wheel) but flip tricks have a certain momentum you can only get with wide trucks and it feels so nice when that kickflip hits your shoe and you put it down like nothing

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Re: Sizing Down
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2021, 07:47:38 AM »
I’ve been thinking about sizing down as well, but after reading some of the above I may just need to shorten my wheelbase
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