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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2021, 01:14:50 PM »
Leave politics out of this is just a way of saying "hey don't challenge the status quo, I like it just the way it is."


I mean does anyone believe standing for the national anthem prior to a street league or football game isn't political? (What could be more political than some N. Korea loyalty oath before recreation is allowed?) Does anyone think when some basketball player prays to baby Jesus to help him win that isn't a religious-political statement? (Would people react the same if the player prayed to Mohammed for his win?)

Hell, I remember back in 2002-03 where the boards were made was highly political. JT being the first into Mexico (despite his bullshit denials) and then Dwindle heading to China (Powell was the first into China, I think) made which boards we bought super political. I remember the conservative owner of the shop I worked yelling at me for wanting to buy American because anyone who lost their factory job should have gotten an education and prepared for today's economy.

And, skateboarding ends up being highly political in itself. The whole activity rallies against some forms of private property. We aren't good capitalists or libertarians because we don't respect private property (of businesses). We have taken the private and redefined it as communal places of play.



Finally, as for not voting, I can't think of a worse idea. Biden isn't my dream but there is no comparison between him and Trump or Cruz. The stronger the left gets without having to pander to the burbs the stronger they'll be as a left wing party instead of a center-right party that gets labeled as Marxists

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2021, 01:15:37 PM »
What if you donít care to talk about politics and just want to skate and donít want to upset anyone with your own world view of politics when asked? Just asking for a friend
I don't think people here are saying that you HAVE to engage in political conversation every time the opportunity presents itself.  It's just that people shouldn't be surprised or get all shitty that it is becoming more common to speak out on social media and whatnot.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2021, 01:23:59 PM »
ITS A GAME, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU LOOSE

How long do we have here? 70 years, 80 at tops?
do you really stilll think we (as persons, as individuals) matter?

we are just shit that got together, lets end this bullshit mentality that humans matter and we have a mission or we came here for something, we are not!
we are here just by luck, the thing is people mix our perception (I, faith, personal lifes, persons etc) with the perception of the world man, nature rules the earth and nature does not care for love or anything, those things are strictly human creations, shit man, we were gifted with the best gift, the power to decide what to do and how to shape our time here, and what do we do?
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2021, 01:24:35 PM »
Finally, as for not voting, I can't think of a worse idea. Biden isn't my dream but there is no comparison between him and Trump or Cruz. The stronger the left gets without having to pander to the burbs the stronger they'll be as a left wing party instead of a center-right party that gets labeled as Marxists
This, exactly.  If every candidate you vote for has to align perfectly with your politics, you'd never be able to vote for anyone.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2021, 01:26:49 PM »
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Politics are a part of punk, hip hop, graffiti. I have no problem with skateboarders or companies wearing their beliefs on their sleeves. Now I know I'll never support Kris Markovich, Pat Duffy, Duane Peters or Mikey Taylor but you can be sure I'll support most anything Jim T, Dill or Brian Anderson do.

I like to vote with my wallet and support people who are moving things in a direction I'd like to see.

The people who complain about politics in music, art, skateboarding or even the NFL are typically of a certain political persuasion and frankly- fuck them.
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2021, 01:35:30 PM »
I try to leave my politics out of skateboarding because I know my opinions are not very popular and people will think Iím crazy or get mad at me. For example: western historians are very unfair to Stalin because of their rampant anti-communist bias.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2021, 01:35:48 PM »
Typically, when a skater says they don't want politics involved in skating, it means they don't want that stuff surrounding them when they are just trying to skate, however, things like racism directly impact most crews, from what I understand its ok to bring up and deal with issues that directly affect the skaters and their well being, but not the state of the economy and governing powers etc.

in reality, it looks like we are just tryna skate.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2021, 01:53:08 PM »
I try to leave my politics out of skateboarding because I know my opinions are not very popular and people will think Iím crazy or get mad at me. For example: western historians are very unfair to Stalin because of their rampant anti-communist bias.

to be fair, that is a very easy way to have your sanity questioned/people get mad at you. i get where youíre coming from (i used to live with a fucking maoist) but trying to image rehab a guy who killed people (which he did) is an awful way to state your political ideology esp. in america in 2021

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2021, 01:56:09 PM »
just bc i said i dont want to vote doesn't mean i dont
i just understand where it comes from

voting for one of two people you despise always absolutely sucks

Exactly. I wouldn't say don't vote. But I totally understand why some people abstain (especially general elections). And I believe people who abstain or can't vote do get to complain and grumble. If you do vote don't put yourself above those that vote and don't assume that absolves you from further responsibility. Lots of meaningful societal change was been initiated from outside the system.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2021, 02:05:28 PM »
What if you donít care to talk about politics and just want to skate and donít want to upset anyone with your own world view of politics when asked? Just asking for a friend

Depends on your personal standards. But you are benefiting from every previous generation not destroying the environment, but we're coming dangerously close. That can fuck it up for future generations. So I think it's kind of a duty to give a shit and act.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2021, 02:24:27 PM »
ITS A GAME, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU LOOSEN YOUR TRUCKS

How long do we have here? 70 years, 80 at tops?
do you really stilll think we (as persons, as individuals) matter?

we are just shit that got together, lets end this bullshit mentality that humans matter and we have a mission or we came here for something, we are not!
we are here just by luck, the thing is people mix our perception (I, faith, personal lifes, persons etc) with the perception of the world man, nature rules the earth and nature does not care for love or anything, those things are strictly human creations, shit man, we were gifted with the best gift, the power to decide what to do and how to shape our time here, and what do we do?
FUCKING FOLLOW NYJAH ON INSTAGRAM, THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2021, 02:26:51 PM »
Skateboarding is just a thing people do. Politics is the framework of society that people live in. Politics matter if you care about living.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2021, 02:54:49 PM »
Skateboarding is just a thing people do. Politics is the framework of society that people live in. Politics matter if you care about living.
I donít care about politics and I donít care about living, I skate and Iím on a heck ride bro

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2021, 04:58:41 PM »
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just bc i said i dont want to vote doesn't mean i dont
i just understand where it comes from

voting for one of two people you despise always absolutely sucks
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Exactly. I wouldn't say don't vote. But I totally understand why some people abstain (especially general elections). And I believe people who abstain or can't vote do get to complain and grumble. If you do vote don't put yourself above those that vote and don't assume that absolves you from further responsibility. Lots of meaningful societal change was been initiated from outside the system.
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2021, 05:16:07 PM »
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Skateboarding is just a thing people do. Politics is the framework of society that people live in. Politics matter if you care about living.
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I donít care about politics and I donít care about living, I skate and Iím on a heck ride bro

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2021, 05:24:16 PM »
I try to wear my political views on my sleeve
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2021, 07:09:36 PM »
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I try to leave my politics out of skateboarding because I know my opinions are not very popular and people will think Iím crazy or get mad at me. For example: western historians are very unfair to Stalin because of their rampant anti-communist bias.
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to be fair, that is a very easy way to have your sanity questioned/people get mad at you. i get where youíre coming from (i used to live with a fucking maoist) but trying to image rehab a guy who killed people (which he did) is an awful way to state your political ideology esp. in america in 2021

100%, and Iím well aware of it. And donít worry, Iím not trying to rehab the guys image, at least not too actively. It just seemed like a good example of political views that are outside the mainstream, that are ďpolitically incorrectĒ but not in the same way that right wingers always complain about.

Anyway, to take the question more seriously, I vote and I do union organizing and occasionally phone banking for candidates that I like, so Iím definitely ďinvolvedĒ in politics. I would encourage other people to do so as well, but I would never shame someone for not voting. There are lots of ways to affect change beyond the ballot box. This is something that the right wing understands with their churches, the NRA, etc. Being involved in politics at the level of your town or your workplace is (I would argue) more important than voting for the dumb ass president every 4 years.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2021, 07:18:14 PM »
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ITS A GAME, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU LOOSEN YOUR TRUCKS

How long do we have here? 70 years, 80 at tops?
do you really stilll think we (as persons, as individuals) matter?

we are just shit that got together, lets end this bullshit mentality that humans matter and we have a mission or we came here for something, we are not!
we are here just by luck, the thing is people mix our perception (I, faith, personal lifes, persons etc) with the perception of the world man, nature rules the earth and nature does not care for love or anything, those things are strictly human creations, shit man, we were gifted with the best gift, the power to decide what to do and how to shape our time here, and what do we do?
FUCKING FOLLOW NYJAH ON INSTAGRAM, THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2021, 09:13:53 PM »
Skateboarding is a place for us to escape from politics. Why include it into our passion? Thereís plenty of news forums on the internet to debate politics. This is skateboarding.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2021, 11:01:07 PM »
anyone that says " keep politics out of skateboarding"

probably also says "skateboarding isn't a fashion show"
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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2021, 12:13:08 AM »
Politics are the worst, only leads to empty promises and fights at family holidays

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2021, 12:40:27 AM »
i think more skaters and people should take a stand and be vocal on issues, as the poster above me said. as a leftist I don't like either party, or want to vote anymore, and I get the anti-government stand a lot of people take. However, racism, sexism, transphobia, poverty, labor rights, these are all things that affect everybody, and more people should talk. I know skaters aren't the smartest people, but I feel like the smarter ones are outshined and talked over by the dumb ones.


The thing is, VOTING is how you address the inequalities and issues you're concerned with. Talking about it is great, voting for people that share your beliefs is how change actually happens. If you think you're just voting for 2 shitty old dudes, you don't get it.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2021, 01:38:31 AM »
skateboarding was always a bit political in a way that it's something that is or was illegal in many public spaces, like graffiti or smoking weed, and often occured together with them. it was seen as a lower class/low life sport in the public eye for long and associated with punk or rap subcultures. so for most non skaters it was probably always seen as some sort of center left subculture. at the same time, within skateboarding, right wing stereotypes were pretty rampant especially in the 70s and 80s as we now see and find out. it also seems that many skateboarders past their 40s turn into the same conservative types they hated when they are young, which is also nothing unusual. companys putting out racist graphics for laughs or shock value. even if a company isn't overtly political in their messaging or graphics, people will analyze products, videos or read interviews with riders and kind of put 2 and 2 together.

there are also graphics that are clearly about political issues. real-hanging klansmen, alien workshopXinfowars collabo, dollarlave and anti hero making fun of capitalism(depressed officeworker, monkeys in suits in front of flip charts), duane peters doing hail trump decks, stuff jason jessee did with the driven. 

imo skateboarding as a whole is operating pretty much in the spectrum of libertarianism and anarchism. in the sense that the industry is pretty libertarian but often wants to come off as vaguely anarchist. i'd say it's inherently libertarian in that there's a wide range of views from individuals within the industry. the views probably haven't changed that much, the internet just makes them more visible, so now we know how some pros think politically and take that into account in our opinions.

i would say there is definetly a good deal of racist skatepros outthere and many who seem politically illiterate. i can't think of a single big name pro that is really far left or radical left though. one thing that is pretty much exclusive to america it seems is displaying patriotism in graphics, see all the american flag designs you got. i'm in gay europe and in most european countries waving the flag is not really a normal thing to do. well, especially in germany. you just don't run the flag at all except when there's a big soccer game or something. and it's not because the flag is bad or racist, it's just that flagwaving is so much a thing of right wing weirdos that nobody does it just to not get associated with them. lately they've been switching to the reichsflag though overhere.

so there's all kinds of political tension within skateboarding, which imo makes it impossible for skateboarding as a whole to be totally non-political. we will always be affected by laws concerning public places and skateboarding has it's own progressive movements within that are often opposed by those who don't want things to change at all, so it's a whole political microcosm.

that said, trying to have your real life views align with those of any company you support is mostly fruitless imo. i personally would never buy stuff from a brand whose boss is an outright racist or support a skater that promotes hateful thoughts, and i can make that choice. it would be different if i was forced to buy this stuff, but i can simply opt out of supporting or promoting the brand.

social progress or regress in the skatescene depends on locality and demographics so they are not the same anywhere. in germany we have some board brands that have antifa and/or anticapitalist messages, but that is because antifa and anticapitalism don't have the stigma here that they have in the usa. we even used to have center right politicians openly sympathize with antifa because opposing fascism and authoritarianism is a big unifier here after being ruled by fascists and authoritarian socialists respectively.

in the end skateboarding follows capitalist/neo-liberal logic in terms of how it adapts to social or political change. there's a spectrum around the center where anything goes, extremists are usually shunned on both sides of the spectrum and often remain alone, and social progress means more ways to market shit to people. corps generally don't support social causes because they are nice, they just turn social movements into sort of focus groups they cater and sell stuff to. i think this is what is mostly happening in the skateboarding industry in regards to social progress.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2021, 05:11:03 AM »
I feel like skateboarding isn't necessarily political but has always drawn in people who are quite left leaning. I guess nowadays its becoming a bit more mainstream so you'll draw in a few people who are more right wing and conservative, but skateboarding has always seemed to be a more defiant and left wing activity.

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« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2021, 06:06:00 AM »
Some dumb ass wrote in Glen E. Friedman's IG-post that "It would be nice if you left the politics out of your fine work." Like his whole body of work has been political, whether it is a skate, band or other work, but somehow someone had completely missed that. Of course you can look at Friedmans photos and be like "that's a cool grind", but miss the whole context around it.

I think act of skateboarding in it self is political. Sure these days it may be more accepted as a "sport" or a hobby", but still street skateboarding or finding a backyard pool is an anarchist act that doesn't follow the regular rules or laws. Or making your own ramp or a DIY-park. And if you want that DIY park to be legal, there's a lot of politics involved in that (e.g. by voting in people who care about culture are probably more accepting to your skatepark than some capitalist asshole who would rather use that space for something else). Politics are part of how you see your fellow skaters or how they are treated by the rest of the society.

Sure there are skateboard graphics that are inoffensive but there's a shit ton of polical skateboard art too like there is in any other art form and they serve as a way to bring people's ideas out there.

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2021, 07:07:37 AM »
ITS A GAME, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU LOOSE

How long do we have here? 70 years, 80 at tops?
do you really stilll think we (as persons, as individuals) matter?

we are just shit that got together, lets end this bullshit mentality that humans matter and we have a mission or we came here for something, we are not!
we are here just by luck, the thing is people mix our perception (I, faith, personal lifes, persons etc) with the perception of the world man, nature rules the earth and nature does not care for love or anything, those things are strictly human creations, shit man, we were gifted with the best gift, the power to decide what to do and how to shape our time here, and what do we do?
FUCKING FOLLOW NYJAH ON INSTAGRAM, THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
Itís crazy how much you contradict yourself here. You say the the most important thing about being human is our power to decide yet you tell us what we should believe and who we should follow. Do you really think that your so gifted to have the whole universe figured out? Nobody knows what the fuck is going on. Thatís kind of the whole fun of it. I agree with some of what youíre saying but if someone wants to believe in true love, an afterlife, or some divine purpose of living to help them get to sleep at night, who are you to tell them otherwise?

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2021, 09:18:00 AM »
Our whole lives involve politics. I used to not vote here in brazil because of my more leftist believes but in 2018 I couldnt vote because I miss the date to regularize my "voting ID" (it was suspended because I didnt vote in the previous election) and Bolsonaro got elected. Im not saying he was elected only because of people who didnt vote, but the abstance rate here is huge. I deeply think that political action isnt only a matter of party action, but especially in times like this it is really important to vote because Bolsonaro is not only a neoliberal sucker, hes a misoginist, racist, homophobic, anti native people, christian fundamentalist and pro guns mother fucker

2018 presidential election numbers in brazil
55% Bolsonaro
45% Haddad (workers party)

dont know how it is in the usa, but here
2.5 million people voted "blank" (you go to vote but dont choose any candidate, so you press the white button in the machine)
8.6 million people voted null (you just type any non valid number or none in the machine)
In other words, more than 11 millions showed up to just not vote in anyone! (Big part of it is due to total discret on politicians after the unfair impeachment of Dilma Roussef)

And more than 31 million people abstence voting! To compare, 115 million went voting, 31 mi is more than a quarter of it!

So yes, despite my old beliefs its important to go to vote



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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2021, 09:36:05 AM »
I saw an old Ed Templeton reply to a comment on IG saying they were drinking the koolaid for thinking Trump is a problem and I facepalmed into the next dimension, because has Ed always been like this?

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Re: Politics and Skateboarding
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2021, 10:49:41 AM »
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