Dwindle - Made in China wood

[cky enthusiast]

I don’t own a car, I ride a bike and I buy two boards a year. Chill the fuck out!!

i didnt think i was talking to you?!?

[dunc]

You weren’t and I wasn’t. I was talking to the op. Sorry for the confusion 

[Sila]

Resin 7's are probably the best boards i've skated in the last year

[ChuckRamone]

OP are you saying buy American? Because BBS is pressed in Mexico. Or are you saying buy from anywhere but China? If the latter, that sounds a bit Sinophobic to say the least. It's not like things manufactured outside China are automatically and magically of a higher quality. It still depends on the level of quality control, which varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, even outside of China. Also, do you consider yourself a capitalist? Capitalism dictates you should produce in the most efficient - ahem cheapest - way possible with the least government intervention possible. If you're arguing for tariffs and other types protectionism, that sounds a bit socialist or maybe even communist, which is what the Chinese are, at least nominally.

[cucktard]

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Dwindle decks have always been good to me. I personally don’t care is skate stuff is made in China.

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ergh carbon footprint for one and doing your bit to keep it as local as possible. All European brands should have their decks made in Spain by HLC or their own countries.

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damn dude where you finna get your electronics from?!

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Plenty of electronics not made in China

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Or a troll

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LOL how so? What for starting a thread for open discussion - yeah OK, good one! Jog on...

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OP is a trumper confirmed

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Really? Not even gonna entertain this level of low IQ

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Just wondered if anyone else notices that Made in China decks (Dwindle) are nowhere near as good as Bareback and P.S Stix etc?

Have to say its disgusting that all the Dwindle brands sacrifice quality over profit margins. Was shocked to discover brands like Almost & Palace having their decks made in China. No wonder they've been able to keep them under 50.
 

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Respectfully disagree.

On the subject of quality only, they beat every woodshop out there when it comes to board dimension consistency (looking at you DLX); you get the same shit as advertised, everytime. The boards are always crispy (R7s being the best of the lot imo), stiff and poppy, and always with smooth rails (not that I care, but PS is sloppy as fuck these days here). But along with Steep kicks you have to like that stiff, epoxy board feel some do, some don't, and it's too bad the mellow/mellow or mellow/medium options are gone (tho Madness still has a few in those combinations for now).

I blame it on P2s, if you liked them (or VX), you like the way DSM boards feel. Skating anything but NHS after a dwindle feels waterlogged and dead.

Always found PS more prone to chipping than any other wood shop and certainly prefer BBS over PS (BBS pop lasts longer than PS's 1-2 week popsog). As far as durability goes, DSM keeps pop longer but they all last around the same when it comes to razor tail.

I've a Palace and Almost currently setup in my quiver and prefer the Dwindle feel to anything else I've got because I prefer that feel.

The Impact lights are where DSM fails, the shapes are different than the normal shapes and the boards are the heaviest out there this side of Slave (they are only 'light' compared to the the old Full or Double Impacts which are MIA for years).

What I find odd is that Primitive decks are significantly lighter than anything out there yet are made in the same woodshops as a lot of other mainstream brands.

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Each to their own I guess but from a moral POV the skateboard industry should not be supporting made in China period. Everything made in China just isn't as good - It's a known fact. Like I said, brands should be trying their best to have products made as close to home as possible. Anyone who doesn't care obvs gives zero fucks about the planet.

BBS wood is hands down the best. All brands that have their wood pressed here actually care about giving skaters the best product possible.

I’m happy you are masking an attempt to be conscious about the environment, but the whole ‘China wood is worse’ argument doesn’t really make sense.

1- Yes, there is a carbon footprint associated with shipping.  But almost none of the major woodshops are anywhere near maple forests. All of it has to be shipped, the further away the worse. But US-made doesn’t exactly mean ‘green’. Also makes whole ‘made in Spain’ thing irrelevant, unless there are maple forests nearby. As good-quality maple requires cold winters to create a dense grain, pretty sure Mexican factories have decent carbon footprint.

2- quality. Low quality boards snap/delam/lose pop faster (but maybe only slightly more so, in the big picture) than higher-quality ones. As people said, it depends on the wood shop. There are shit boards in the US as well as China. US-made doesn’t always equal better quality, so this argument is not really relevant.

Of course, there are other reasons to support domestic products- maybe supporting a smaller local company. It not wanting to participate in sweatshop labor. But do domestic (and Mexican) factories use toxic chemicals? Epoxies? Non-biodegradable glues?  This brings us to 3

3- In the end, unless you are buying a board made to last (like a flight or a lib tech- lib is made by actual skaters), you are supporting an incredibly unsustainable industry. Complaining about the carbon footprint of a toxic chemical-lathered unsustainably grown maple sticks made to snap in within a month is missing the point.

The whole fucking thing is unsustainable. I’m not saying you should buy China wood. But I’m saying that if you are worried about your impact on the environment, you need to rethink about the disposable nature of skating in general.

[Easy Slider]

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[Winford Thomas]

to me dwindle is the best chinese made product hands down. and its as good as any u.s. woodshop. i think primewood has great decks so far as u.s. production. alot of woodshops are inconsistent (as stated earlier in the post) and during this pandemic that seems to have only gotten worse.

saw sean cliver just released a strangelove board that took nearly a full year for the woodshop to get to him. thats insane.

also op i don't think dwindle uses china wood. chinese maple is not highly prized for skate decks, i think if i recall dwindle gets hard-rock great lakes american maple shipped to china to create the veneers they use. so its american wood (not china wood as you state in the title) pressed by chinese labor in a factory designed by rodney mullen.

[ldmch11]

Yes agreed, pollution and unethical practices only occur in China. This is why I only buy made in US or EU goods even though the materials are sourced from China. It makes me sleep better at night knowing that the underpaid and overworked workers are not Chinese

[m477]

I haven’t ridden a China made board since crailtap initially moved out there in what, 2007ish? I can’t remember exactly. But what I do remember is strictly riding girl boards all the way back to the late 90s and never had a problem with them. Then come the mid 2000 (06,07?) and I buy a brand new girl deck. Snapped it on flat ground after less than 30min. I attributed it to a bad landing/fluke and bought a new one the next day. This time the board lasted a bit longer, maybe a day or two but again, snapped under some absurd situation.

Went back to the skate shop to talk about it and this is when I hear a rumor they were now made in China. Since then I make it a point to only buy from BBS/Generator made in Mexico. Been pretty happy ever since. To be fair, maybe the China wood has improved? I wouldn’t know and probably won’t be switching any time soon.

[fs1/2cab]

Isn't HLC the woodshop from Jart? Hard pass.

[GlenSuggittsflexfit]

[quaintly]

I really like dwindle wood - and couldn’t give a fuck where it’s pressed .

[Lou Strux]

I take the OP's point about carbon footprint, but chopping down trees is already on the negative side of the balance sheet, so you're blowing it from the jump.
Now, regarding their claims of quality issues...
If a brand specifies cheaper veneers & lower grade glue, that'll be what you end up buying/riding, regardless of country of manufacture.
DSM makes a fine pro level product, because Dwindle didn't cheap out on the material specs. The price point/toy store stuff is likely spec'd to come in at a lower cost & maybe wont last as long, but to say that a manufacturing powerhouse like China is incapable of producing top notch stuff just wreaks of veiled anti Chinese sentiment to me.
It's typically labor costs that drive companies to manufacture outside of their home countries, and in the case of the epoxy resins, environmental prohibitions as well.
Anybody that knows English cars/motorbikes well can tell you about Lucas electrical components, the problems that bedeviled them, and their reputation for failure. Made right there in the UK, so it's got to been good, right?!?
Lucas manufactured to the specs demanded by their clients, and when those clients cut corners, cost wise, in order to bring their products in a a lower price, EVERYBODY'S reputation suffered.
Their slogan was "Lucas: Prince of Darkness," meant to imply that they brought illumination to the dark night just outside your vehicle, but after a while that same slogan came to bite them in the fanny when their lesser spec'd wiring looms, headlights, fuses, etc. failed at an alarming rate, leaving motorists stranded without lights or worse, an operating engine.
All that while, Lucas had been making components for higher end marques like Rolls & Bentley, who were willing to shell out for the good stuff, and those brands had considerably fewer electrical issues.
Took Lucas half a century to shake the stank on their name.
I don't ride Chinese wood, because I've got plenty of access to stuff produced around here, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Chinese deck, based solely on where it was made.
Perhaps if the OP wanted, they could develop a wood free method of producing decks that perform the same as maple bloards do?
Elsewise, maybe it's a good idea to frame your position as a question of what can be done, rather than "FUCK THEM DUDES!"
How often this topic gonna come up, anyway? Haven't we discussed the matter to death already?

[moonordie]

I take the OP's point about carbon footprint, but chopping down trees is already on the negative side of the balance sheet, so you're blowing it from the jump.
Now, regarding their claims of quality issues...
If a brand specifies cheaper veneers & lower grade glue, that'll be what you end up buying/riding, regardless of country of manufacture.
DSM makes a fine pro level product, because Dwindle didn't cheap out on the material specs. The price point/toy store stuff is likely spec'd to come in at a lower cost & maybe wont last as long, but to say that a manufacturing powerhouse like China is incapable of producing top notch stuff just wreaks of veiled anti Chinese sentiment to me.
It's typically labor costs that drive companies to manufacture outside of their home countries, and in the case of the epoxy resins, environmental prohibitions as well.
Anybody that knows English cars/motorbikes well can tell you about Lucas electrical components, the problems that bedeviled them, and their reputation for failure. Made right there in the UK, so it's got to been good, right?!?
Lucas manufactured to the specs demanded by their clients, and when those clients cut corners, cost wise, in order to bring their products in a a lower price, EVERYBODY'S reputation suffered.
Their slogan was "Lucas: Prince of Darkness," meant to imply that they brought illumination to the dark night just outside your vehicle, but after a while that same slogan came to bite them in the fanny when their lesser spec'd wiring looms, headlights, fuses, etc. failed at an alarming rate, leaving motorists stranded without lights or worse, an operating engine.
All that while, Lucas had been making components for higher end marques like Rolls & Bentley, who were willing to shell out for the good stuff, and those brands had considerably fewer electrical issues.
Took Lucas half a century to shake the stank on their name.
I don't ride Chinese wood, because I've got plenty of access to stuff produced around here, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Chinese deck, based solely on where it was made.
Perhaps if the OP wanted, they could develop a wood free method of producing decks that perform the same as maple bloards do?
Elsewise, maybe it's a good idea to frame your position as a question of what can be done, rather than "FUCK THEM DUDES!"
How often this topic gonna come up, anyway? Haven't we discussed the matter to death already?

Countless times, yes.

[zozu]

Two decks ago I skated an Enjoi/New Deal R7 and it was honestly the best one I ever skated. Better overall finish than NA boards and perfect snappy pop even with the kicks worn out.

[rawbacon]

I take the OP's point about carbon footprint, but chopping down trees is already on the negative side of the balance sheet, so you're blowing it from the jump.
Now, regarding their claims of quality issues...
If a brand specifies cheaper veneers & lower grade glue, that'll be what you end up buying/riding, regardless of country of manufacture.
DSM makes a fine pro level product, because Dwindle didn't cheap out on the material specs. The price point/toy store stuff is likely spec'd to come in at a lower cost & maybe wont last as long, but to say that a manufacturing powerhouse like China is incapable of producing top notch stuff just wreaks of veiled anti Chinese sentiment to me.
It's typically labor costs that drive companies to manufacture outside of their home countries, and in the case of the epoxy resins, environmental prohibitions as well.
Anybody that knows English cars/motorbikes well can tell you about Lucas electrical components, the problems that bedeviled them, and their reputation for failure. Made right there in the UK, so it's got to been good, right?!?
Lucas manufactured to the specs demanded by their clients, and when those clients cut corners, cost wise, in order to bring their products in a a lower price, EVERYBODY'S reputation suffered.
Their slogan was "Lucas: Prince of Darkness," meant to imply that they brought illumination to the dark night just outside your vehicle, but after a while that same slogan came to bite them in the fanny when their lesser spec'd wiring looms, headlights, fuses, etc. failed at an alarming rate, leaving motorists stranded without lights or worse, an operating engine.
All that while, Lucas had been making components for higher end marques like Rolls & Bentley, who were willing to shell out for the good stuff, and those brands had considerably fewer electrical issues.
Took Lucas half a century to shake the stank on their name.
I don't ride Chinese wood, because I've got plenty of access to stuff produced around here, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Chinese deck, based solely on where it was made.
Perhaps if the OP wanted, they could develop a wood free method of producing decks that perform the same as maple bloards do?
Elsewise, maybe it's a good idea to frame your position as a question of what can be done, rather than "FUCK THEM DUDES!"
How often this topic gonna come up, anyway? Haven't we discussed the matter to death already?

fucking lobster backs with their positive grounds and whitworth tooling.....also resin 7s are the only chinese boards ill skate. everything else feels dead on arrival.

[Bigwheelbite]

I really like dwindle wood - and couldn’t give a fuck where it’s pressed .

But u so should...
This is the problem though isn't it - most ppl 'don't give a fuck' which is why were in this mess in the first place

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I take the OP's point about carbon footprint, but chopping down trees is already on the negative side of the balance sheet, so you're blowing it from the jump.
Now, regarding their claims of quality issues...
If a brand specifies cheaper veneers & lower grade glue, that'll be what you end up buying/riding, regardless of country of manufacture.
DSM makes a fine pro level product, because Dwindle didn't cheap out on the material specs. The price point/toy store stuff is likely spec'd to come in at a lower cost & maybe wont last as long, but to say that a manufacturing powerhouse like China is incapable of producing top notch stuff just wreaks of veiled anti Chinese sentiment to me.
It's typically labor costs that drive companies to manufacture outside of their home countries, and in the case of the epoxy resins, environmental prohibitions as well.
Anybody that knows English cars/motorbikes well can tell you about Lucas electrical components, the problems that bedeviled them, and their reputation for failure. Made right there in the UK, so it's got to been good, right?!?
Lucas manufactured to the specs demanded by their clients, and when those clients cut corners, cost wise, in order to bring their products in a a lower price, EVERYBODY'S reputation suffered.
Their slogan was "Lucas: Prince of Darkness," meant to imply that they brought illumination to the dark night just outside your vehicle, but after a while that same slogan came to bite them in the fanny when their lesser spec'd wiring looms, headlights, fuses, etc. failed at an alarming rate, leaving motorists stranded without lights or worse, an operating engine.
All that while, Lucas had been making components for higher end marques like Rolls & Bentley, who were willing to shell out for the good stuff, and those brands had considerably fewer electrical issues.
Took Lucas half a century to shake the stank on their name.
I don't ride Chinese wood, because I've got plenty of access to stuff produced around here, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Chinese deck, based solely on where it was made.
Perhaps if the OP wanted, they could develop a wood free method of producing decks that perform the same as maple bloards do?
Elsewise, maybe it's a good idea to frame your position as a question of what can be done, rather than "FUCK THEM DUDES!"
How often this topic gonna come up, anyway? Haven't we discussed the matter to death already?

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Countless times, yes.

Agreed, maybe the approach should be - "what can be done?" instead but on the other hand most brands simply don't need to be going to get shit made in China.

And yeah gone over it countless times but ya'll still here chiming in with your 2 cents!

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BBS and HLC all day...

And yeah if skateboarding is already pretty unsustainable then even more reason to be more aware of the carbon footprint no?! Therefore not supporting made (or pressed) in China - whatever the fuck u wanna call it!

 

[Skatebeard]

I'll happily (and do) skate chinese wood, I live in the UK so carbon footprint is about the same as buying a US presses deck...so makes no odds to me as long as it's built in a good quality factory to the specs that I like skating.

Would I skate UK pressed decks? Absolutely if there was a factory here turning out decent decks..

Would I skate a HLC deck? Maybe... but Jart isn't exactly a company that I feel any urge to support.

[pi2]

Whats the difference between made in china or made in mexico? manufacturing happens in both countries for lower costs.I dont really see any difference.

[S.]

Whats the difference between made in china or made in mexico? manufacturing happens in both countries for lower costs.I dont really see any difference.

Less transportation costs and less pollution from transportation. I would assume workers in Mexico get paid slightly better. Also the two biggest Woodshops in Mexico: BBS and PS Stix have a way better reputation than any of the Chinese woodshops.

Some industries have moved their production back to western countries, since automation has removed their main reason to produce off shore: lower wage standards and less workers rights. You do not have to pay your machines a living wage. Do you think this could happen for skateboard production as well?
Is it possible to produce a deck with few or no human workers?

[Lou Strux]

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I take the OP's point about carbon footprint, but chopping down trees is already on the negative side of the balance sheet, so you're blowing it from the jump.
Now, regarding their claims of quality issues...
If a brand specifies cheaper veneers & lower grade glue, that'll be what you end up buying/riding, regardless of country of manufacture.
DSM makes a fine pro level product, because Dwindle didn't cheap out on the material specs. The price point/toy store stuff is likely spec'd to come in at a lower cost & maybe wont last as long, but to say that a manufacturing powerhouse like China is incapable of producing top notch stuff just wreaks of veiled anti Chinese sentiment to me.
It's typically labor costs that drive companies to manufacture outside of their home countries, and in the case of the epoxy resins, environmental prohibitions as well.
Anybody that knows English cars/motorbikes well can tell you about Lucas electrical components, the problems that bedeviled them, and their reputation for failure. Made right there in the UK, so it's got to been good, right?!?
Lucas manufactured to the specs demanded by their clients, and when those clients cut corners, cost wise, in order to bring their products in a a lower price, EVERYBODY'S reputation suffered.
Their slogan was "Lucas: Prince of Darkness," meant to imply that they brought illumination to the dark night just outside your vehicle, but after a while that same slogan came to bite them in the fanny when their lesser spec'd wiring looms, headlights, fuses, etc. failed at an alarming rate, leaving motorists stranded without lights or worse, an operating engine.
All that while, Lucas had been making components for higher end marques like Rolls & Bentley, who were willing to shell out for the good stuff, and those brands had considerably fewer electrical issues.
Took Lucas half a century to shake the stank on their name.
I don't ride Chinese wood, because I've got plenty of access to stuff produced around here, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Chinese deck, based solely on where it was made.
Perhaps if the OP wanted, they could develop a wood free method of producing decks that perform the same as maple bloards do?
Elsewise, maybe it's a good idea to frame your position as a question of what can be done, rather than "FUCK THEM DUDES!"
How often this topic gonna come up, anyway? Haven't we discussed the matter to death already?

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fucking lobster backs with their positive grounds and whitworth tooling.....also resin 7s are the only chinese boards ill skate. everything else feels dead on arrival.

I'm actually rather fond of DOA bloards.

[Bigwheelbite]

to me dwindle is the best chinese made product hands down. and its as good as any u.s. woodshop. i think primewood has great decks so far as u.s. production. alot of woodshops are inconsistent (as stated earlier in the post) and during this pandemic that seems to have only gotten worse.

saw sean cliver just released a strangelove board that took nearly a full year for the woodshop to get to him. thats insane.

also op i don't think dwindle uses china wood. chinese maple is not highly prized for skate decks, i think if i recall dwindle gets hard-rock great lakes american maple shipped to china to create the veneers they use. so its american wood (not china wood as you state in the title) pressed by chinese labor in a factory designed by rodney mullen.

Nah if u compare any dwindle deck vs BBS - BBS is waaaaaay better. Better pop, lasts much longer and doesn't break as easy. Everyone I skate with and homies I know that work in skate shops all say the same.

Rather support Mexico or any other country before China too.

I'll happily (and do) skate chinese wood, I live in the UK so carbon footprint is about the same as buying a US presses deck...so makes no odds to me as long as it's built in a good quality factory to the specs that I like skating.

Would I skate UK pressed decks? Absolutely if there was a factory here turning out decent decks..

Would I skate a HLC deck? Maybe... but Jart isn't exactly a company that I feel any urge to support.

The UK does have a couple of good woodshops apparently and Jart (HLC) press decks for alot of good brands:

Drawing boards, 
Sk8Mafia(Europe), 
Clown, Jart, 
Cruzade, 
Sour, 
Habitat (Europe), 
Flip (Europe), 
The National Skateboard Co, SOVRN (Europe), 
Skateboard Cafe and several others.

It's sick that Flip & Sovrn have their European decks pressed by HLC. Thats what all brands should be doing - Sourcing locally for all territories. All brands from Europe shouldn't be getting their decks pressed outside of Europe. And all brands from the US shouldn't be getting their decks pressed anywhere but US or Mexico.

The only brands that should be getting their shit made in china are chinese brands or brands from Asia. Simple.

Also, if you properly test all the diff decks from all the top woodshops, its a fact that BBS decks (mostly) are the most durable and best quality and Dwindle are the worst durability & quality wise. When a brand gets their shit made in China its always to make more profit over trying to provide better quality.



 

[RichardBarkley]

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to me dwindle is the best chinese made product hands down. and its as good as any u.s. woodshop. i think primewood has great decks so far as u.s. production. alot of woodshops are inconsistent (as stated earlier in the post) and during this pandemic that seems to have only gotten worse.

saw sean cliver just released a strangelove board that took nearly a full year for the woodshop to get to him. thats insane.

also op i don't think dwindle uses china wood. chinese maple is not highly prized for skate decks, i think if i recall dwindle gets hard-rock great lakes american maple shipped to china to create the veneers they use. so its american wood (not china wood as you state in the title) pressed by chinese labor in a factory designed by rodney mullen.

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Nah if u compare any dwindle deck vs BBS - BBS is waaaaaay better. Better pop, lasts much longer and doesn't break as easy. Everyone I skate with and homies I know that work in skate shops all say the same.

Rather support Mexico or any other country before China too.

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I'll happily (and do) skate chinese wood, I live in the UK so carbon footprint is about the same as buying a US presses deck...so makes no odds to me as long as it's built in a good quality factory to the specs that I like skating.

Would I skate UK pressed decks? Absolutely if there was a factory here turning out decent decks..

Would I skate a HLC deck? Maybe... but Jart isn't exactly a company that I feel any urge to support.

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The UK does have a couple of good woodshops apparently and Jart (HLC) press decks for alot of good brands:

Drawing boards, 
Sk8Mafia(Europe), 
Clown, Jart, 
Cruzade, 
Sour, 
Habitat (Europe), 
Flip (Europe), 
The National Skateboard Co, SOVRN (Europe), 
Skateboard Cafe and several others.

It's sick that Flip & Sovrn have their European decks pressed by HLC. Thats what all brands should be doing - Sourcing locally for all territories. All brands from Europe shouldn't be getting their decks pressed outside of Europe. And all brands from the US shouldn't be getting their decks pressed anywhere but US or Mexico.

The only brands that should be getting their shit made in china are chinese brands or brands from Asia. Simple.

Also, if you properly test all the diff decks from all the top woodshops, its a fact that BBS decks (mostly) are the most durable and best quality and Dwindle are the worst durability & quality wise. When a brand gets their shit made in China its always to make more profit over trying to provide better quality.

What are your thoughts on China ?

Outside of woodshops and skateboarding.

[ChuckRamone]

OP's stance is clearly a political one in the guise of caring about the environment. It's fine if you don't like China because of all the propaganda you've been fed, but just say so instead of bullshitting about emissions or whatever. Your disdain is obvious in the way you refer to everything from there as "shit" when discussing the products.

On a side note, anyone else get the sense the Western war machine is really ramping up for a new Cold War against China? I'm no fan of the CCP but the headlines lately reek of warmongering like what happened before the most recent Mideast conflicts.

[RichardBarkley]

OP's stance is clearly a political hi one in the guise of caring about the environment. It's fine if you don't like China because of all the propaganda you've been fed, but just say so instead of bullshitting about emissions or whatever. Your disdain is obvious in the way you refer to everything from there as "shit" when discussing the products.

On a side note, anyone else get the sense the Western war machine is really ramping up for a new Cold War against China? I'm no fan of the CCP but the headlines lately reek of warmongering like what happened before the most recent Mideast conflicts.

Exactamundo

[lovermangenius]

OP's stance is clearly a political one in the guise of caring about the environment. It's fine if you don't like China because of all the propaganda you've been fed, but just say so instead of bullshitting about emissions or whatever. Your disdain is obvious in the way you refer to everything from there as "shit" when discussing the products.

On a side note, anyone else get the sense the Western war machine is really ramping up for a new Cold War against China? I'm no fan of the CCP but the headlines lately reek of warmongering like what happened before the most recent Mideast conflicts.

There has been an increase in popular interest in the treatment of Uighur people in recent years, but if you follow Chinese news it has been a very hot topic at least since the Kunming railway attack in 2014. It's discouraging seeing such a serious issue being used opportunistically by conservatives in the US, but it doesn't mean that what's going on there is made up propaganda. If you're skeptical about what's going on in Xinjiang I'd encourage you to look into what the CCP itself says is happening. Even their version of the story is extremely troubling.

Armed conflict between the US and China is extremely unlikely. There are benefits to the saber rattling (imagine all the defense contractors using a potential conflict with China in their sales pitches right now), but the US and China are deeply economically interdependent in a way that the US and Iraq were not.

[BugleBites]

Also, if you properly test all the diff decks from all the top woodshops, its a fact that BBS decks (mostly) are the most durable and best quality and Dwindle are the worst durability & quality wise. When a brand gets their shit made in China its always to make more profit over trying to provide better quality.

Wouldn't be Slap without some random kid providing hot garbage takes with the utmost confidence. I prefer BBS but you clearly haven't ridden a DSM deck if you think they're the worst. The quality of DSM boards is top notch. Way better than the majority of decks pressed in China, and way better than a lot of American and other woodshops. The consistency alone is leagues above most woodshops. You're just brainwashed by anti-China rhetoric and it's painfully obvious. 

[moonordie]

The board that I've enjoyed the most lately was a Zero made in China. Dwindle I pressume

[Krooked antihero]

Dwindle is just fine, would skate one over HLC board any day of the week.