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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2021, 03:27:11 PM »
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Sligh diversion from the main topic here, but I’ve been thinking a lot about skate literature lately, and how it mostly sucks/barely exists.

I’m reading “Barbarian Days” right now, which is a surf memoir by a New Yorker columnist who won a Pulitzer. It’s great but it just makes me want to read a similarly well-done skate book.

 I’ve read Rodney Mullen’s autobiography which seems very ghost-written and targeted at kids; I’ve read the Roctacon short stories which are basically indulgent soft porn, and I guess there’s a Walker Ryan skate novel in the world? Unless I hallucinated that one?

Anyway I just want to see our sport properly represented in literature. If anyone knows a good skate book please shout it out!
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Have you read "the answer is never" by Jocko Weyland?  It's been a while, but I remember it as standing out amongst skate lit.
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Hadn’t heard of it, but I’m now starting a list. Thanks everyone for dropping recommendations, I’m really glad to know that there are some exciting skate books out there beyond what I was aware of previously.
 
The others, from upthread, in case anyone else is following along:

HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS - by ANTHONY G. PAPPALARDO

NO BEER ON A DEAD PLANET - by JONO COOTE

TOP OF MASON - by WALKER RYAN

"The Slide" by Kyle Beachy is a solid novel. Not much to do with skateboarding, but as a disillusioned white male college sophomore I enjoyed it a lot (especially knowing the author was a skater).
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2021, 03:42:45 PM »
Can never forget Blondey went to this school as he still wears the uniform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_School#Customs

I wonder if he ever fought for the horsehair pancake and won the gold sovereign... old English traditions are oh so strange haha

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2021, 03:50:24 PM »
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Suciu but god he really seems insufferable when he tries to act all academic
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Suciu has a BA in literature from Temple but gives interviews like he’s Professor Emeritus at Harvard.
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I'm sure he feels that way in the van with the Thunder team, but yeah, to the average reader he seems like the most insanely pretentious bore.
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I heard he brings books out to the bars, but I’m not sure if he ever cracks them open. Also this is not a joke.
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Maybe they're for the bus/train ride, or if the people he's meeting show up late? Or is he really that pretentious
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I once saw a dude at a cocktail bar in brooklyn at like 11:00 at night reading a NYT alone in the corner, surrounded by 24 year olds trying to get laid. That was the most epic level of pretentiousness I've ever seen.

Saw something similar once at a tiki bar in Hollywood. One dude solo with a book sitting at the bar while it was shoulder to shoulder for everyone trying to grab a drink. Friday night, music was blaring, and it was dark as shit. No one talked to him
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2021, 04:26:13 PM »
honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good/lucky enough to make skating a lucrative career. as they say, skills pay the bills.

however, the social aspect of school is nice since it teaches you how to interact with people you might disagree with tactfully. also the fact that people are quick to put you in check for being a dumbass is good.

being educated about personal health, basic science should be mandatory for everyone tho.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2021, 04:48:27 PM »
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Andrew Cannon, Secondary Education, English -- Arizona State University

Dan Murphy, Psychology -- NC State

The Butcher , Chemistry -- Universidad de Palermo

Nick Jensen, Art (Masters) -- Chelsea School of Art

Danny Montoya, Liberal Studies -- Community College

John Rattray, Physics -- University of Glasgow
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LOL at liberal studies from a community college

Why would you ever knock someone, especially nollie god Montoya, for pursuing higher education?
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2021, 06:19:57 PM »
Not a pro, but Ray Simmonds has a Ph.D. in physics from Berkeley. I always disliked how the industry (including himself) hyped up Mullen's intellect/education. His major seemed to change in every interview and he didn't even finish.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2021, 08:11:33 PM »
honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.


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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2021, 10:58:29 PM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.

A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28 (10 years). Maybe a 2-year associate's is worth it since it's short. But not skating as much for 4/10 years for a BA/BSc during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career either. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways, that comes down to picking an employable major and other factors.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2021, 11:04:42 PM »
Not a pro, but Ray Simmonds has a Ph.D. in physics from Berkeley. I always disliked how the industry (including himself) hyped up Mullen's intellect/education. His major seemed to change in every interview and he didn't even finish.

Mullen's TED talk was terrible. Better than professor bongo drums, but still bad and pseudo-science to the max.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2021, 11:16:47 PM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28. Not skating as much for four years during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
well you just used yourself as an example of when colleges are pointless. they're only pointless if you're pursuing some niche degree/don't have any plans afterwards or if you just straight up don't know what to study. it's insane the amount of people i know with random ass degrees that they aren't using.
me: "what's your major?"
them: "gender studies in northen alaska"
me: "oh cool....what job do you want to get with that?"
them: "idk lol"
college is great if you want to pursue something that is impossible without a degree (science, teaching, healthcare, etc)


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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2021, 11:30:16 PM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28. Not skating as much for four years during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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well you just used yourself as an example of when colleges are pointless. they're only pointless if you're pursuing some niche degree/don't have any plans afterwards or if you just straight up don't know what to study. it's insane the amount of people i know with random ass degrees that they aren't using.
me: "what's your major?"
them: "gender studies in northen alaska"
me: "oh cool....what job do you want to get with that?"
them: "idk lol"
college is great if you want to pursue something that is impossible without a degree (science, teaching, healthcare, etc)

whatever. if you're a pro and you go and get a business/teaching/healthcare degree it's fucking stupid since you're unemployable since you need to go on trips and go get footage. not to mention if you get broken off you'll probably get the boot. my point still stands. imagine telling mason silva he needs to go to college and do hw. education can take a fucking back seat if you're getting coverage, sponsors, and a paycheck.

suciu got an english degree and he's still out here skating anyways post-grad. that shit could've waited.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2021, 11:36:03 PM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28. Not skating as much for four years during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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well you just used yourself as an example of when colleges are pointless. they're only pointless if you're pursuing some niche degree/don't have any plans afterwards or if you just straight up don't know what to study. it's insane the amount of people i know with random ass degrees that they aren't using.
me: "what's your major?"
them: "gender studies in northen alaska"
me: "oh cool....what job do you want to get with that?"
them: "idk lol"
college is great if you want to pursue something that is impossible without a degree (science, teaching, healthcare, etc)
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whatever. if you're a pro and you go and get a business/teaching/healthcare degree it's fucking stupid since you're unemployable since you need to go on trips and go get footage. not to mention if you get broken off you'll probably get the boot. my point still stands. imagine telling mason silva he needs to go to college and do hw. education can take a fucking back seat if you're getting coverage, sponsors, and a paycheck.
lmao dude that's a super closed-minded way of looking at it. i fully respect people who are just riding out their skating careers and just having fun. however, i also admire the ones who think a little bit about life after skating and prepare for it. mason silva isn't a good example as he's one of the 1% who will likely be chilling for life off of skating. most other pros make like maybe 30 a year. so once you're in your mid 30's and your skate career is done...i'm sure that's stressful. "pro skater" isn't something you can put on a normal resume. also, getting that degree doesn't mean they have to use it right then and there. they can sit on it until it becomes applicable to them


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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2021, 11:42:39 PM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28. Not skating as much for four years during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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well you just used yourself as an example of when colleges are pointless. they're only pointless if you're pursuing some niche degree/don't have any plans afterwards or if you just straight up don't know what to study. it's insane the amount of people i know with random ass degrees that they aren't using.
me: "what's your major?"
them: "gender studies in northen alaska"
me: "oh cool....what job do you want to get with that?"
them: "idk lol"
college is great if you want to pursue something that is impossible without a degree (science, teaching, healthcare, etc)
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whatever. if you're a pro and you go and get a business/teaching/healthcare degree it's fucking stupid since you're unemployable since you need to go on trips and go get footage. not to mention if you get broken off you'll probably get the boot. my point still stands. imagine telling mason silva he needs to go to college and do hw. education can take a fucking back seat if you're getting coverage, sponsors, and a paycheck.
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lmao dude that's a super closed-minded way of looking at it. i fully respect people who are just riding out their skating careers and just having fun. however, i also admire the ones who think a little bit about life after skating and prepare for it. mason silva isn't a good example as he's one of the 1% who will likely be chilling for life off of skating. most other pros make like maybe 30 a year. so once you're in your mid 30's and your skate career is done...i'm sure that's stressful. "pro skater" isn't something you can put on a normal resume. also, getting that degree doesn't mean they have to use it right then and there. they can sit on it until it becomes applicable to them

sure i agree. i'd rather fuck around and get like a quick CS/EE degree or learn a trade (!= "educated") and stop school right after over being paid 30k. Doesn't make sense to get it and sit on it though since you forget shit. If my coverage and shit is like going downhill, I'd gladly bow out the lime light and do that shit after.

there's probably hella older pro's who did that but no one talks about em since they knew when the ticket was up and bowed out gracefully.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #103 on: April 26, 2021, 12:28:58 AM »
I think nik stain has a math degree

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #104 on: April 26, 2021, 05:17:13 AM »
I think Chris Pfanner has a BSc in something, can't recall what though.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #105 on: April 26, 2021, 06:05:50 AM »
Can never forget Blondey went to this school as he still wears the uniform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_School#Customs

I wonder if he ever fought for the horsehair pancake and won the gold sovereign... old English traditions are oh so strange haha

No kidding, so what's what those Thames boards saying Wren's etc mean? They're essentially like Gryffindor and Slytherin merch? I figured they were spots.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2021, 07:26:50 AM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28. Not skating as much for four years during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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well you just used yourself as an example of when colleges are pointless. they're only pointless if you're pursuing some niche degree/don't have any plans afterwards or if you just straight up don't know what to study. it's insane the amount of people i know with random ass degrees that they aren't using.
me: "what's your major?"
them: "gender studies in northen alaska"
me: "oh cool....what job do you want to get with that?"
them: "idk lol"
college is great if you want to pursue something that is impossible without a degree (science, teaching, healthcare, etc)
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whatever. if you're a pro and you go and get a business/teaching/healthcare degree it's fucking stupid since you're unemployable since you need to go on trips and go get footage. not to mention if you get broken off you'll probably get the boot. my point still stands. imagine telling mason silva he needs to go to college and do hw. education can take a fucking back seat if you're getting coverage, sponsors, and a paycheck.
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lmao dude that's a super closed-minded way of looking at it. i fully respect people who are just riding out their skating careers and just having fun. however, i also admire the ones who think a little bit about life after skating and prepare for it. mason silva isn't a good example as he's one of the 1% who will likely be chilling for life off of skating. most other pros make like maybe 30 a year. so once you're in your mid 30's and your skate career is done...i'm sure that's stressful. "pro skater" isn't something you can put on a normal resume. also, getting that degree doesn't mean they have to use it right then and there. they can sit on it until it becomes applicable to them
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sure i agree. i'd rather fuck around and get like a quick CS/EE degree or learn a trade (!= "educated") and stop school right after over being paid 30k. Doesn't make sense to get it and sit on it though since you forget shit. If my coverage and shit is like going downhill, I'd gladly bow out the lime light and do that shit after.

there's probably hella older pro's who did that but no one talks about em since they knew when the ticket was up and bowed out gracefully.

Continue to post right through it. By all means.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #107 on: April 26, 2021, 07:35:16 AM »
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Can never forget Blondey went to this school as he still wears the uniform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_School#Customs

I wonder if he ever fought for the horsehair pancake and won the gold sovereign... old English traditions are oh so strange haha
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No kidding, so what's what those Thames boards saying Wren's etc mean? They're essentially like Gryffindor and Slytherin merch? I figured they were spots.

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« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2021, 07:42:36 AM »
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Can never forget Blondey went to this school as he still wears the uniform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_School#Customs

I wonder if he ever fought for the horsehair pancake and won the gold sovereign... old English traditions are oh so strange haha
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No kidding, so what's what those Thames boards saying Wren's etc mean? They're essentially like Gryffindor and Slytherin merch? I figured they were spots.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2021, 08:05:11 AM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28 (10 years). Maybe a 2-year associate's is worth it since it's short. But not skating as much for 4/10 years for a BA/BSc during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career either. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways, that comes down to picking an employable major and other factors.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
trying to go PRO skateboarding is a HUGE risk. so easy to get hurt. a lot of being sucessful is about networking imo - its ultimately about your ability to sell clothes. that is how you can earn a good living. being able to sell boards is really not worth too mcuh money. being the best skater in the world doesnt mean you will get paid the omst. just being able to skate 40 hrs a week with no real offseason is very hard on your body. a lot of people go out too hard and then are not able to maintain income stream + then left with no transferrable skills.

 I think you have some value in your point though. a lot of people rush to go to school for something they dont even really want to do and then skateboarding becomes less important. I think you should prioritize what is important to you early on. there is nothing wrong with going to school when you are 30 (40 might be too old tho idk)... its a long life ahead. i did not really know what it was i wanted to do til i was about 25. theres just so many poeple shoving stuff down your thraot at every step of the way , its hard to really know what it is you want to do until you have put some actual time into it yourself.

i dont think going PRO should be the end goal of so many peoples skating it should really be lets elevate the skill as mcuh as possible on a personal level - that side of it should always be motivated internally. other people pushing you to do stuff you dont want to do is not good, but it is ok to get encouragement of course for things that are difficult that you WANT to do. when you have this mindset you attract other people of that mentality and i think that is the natural path of networking. try to meet everyone and see whats going on in the wider world of it. touch as many peoples lives as possible and integrate yourself into it. there is a lot more to skateboarding than being a pro. its a big industry with lot of room to grow and it wont run itself. you can make a great career surrounded with poeple you like to be around while still being close to skateboarding and less personal risk involved. maybe you dont even end up working in skateboarding but it led you to work with BIKES or VIDEO GAMES or editing or something else you are interetsed in.

having a positive attitude really goes a long way, the more people you can help boost up along your journey believe me those people often pop back up down the road and give that energy back to you when you need it. also on the flip side, having a shit attitude can burn a lot of bridges and fuck you over down the road. SLAP has actaully taught me a lot about how to conduct myself as a human being and empathsizing towards others ,not being so self-centred. i wish i would have taken more time to film other people or even just travel more in my own province to try and just meet more people but i was very narrow minded and just kept skating with the same people all the time.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2021, 10:13:58 AM »
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honestly, its not really worth going to college if you're good enough to make skating a career. as they say, skills pay the bills.
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This is a fine example of detachment from reality.
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A lot of people skate at their peak or improve drastically from the ages of 18-28 (10 years). Maybe a 2-year associate's is worth it since it's short. But not skating as much for 4/10 years for a BA/BSc during that time if you enjoy it/could potentially go pro IS stupid. Doing homework or college shit does not correlate to a successful career either. Colleges are hella full with confused ass kids who don't know wtf they're doing there and they just graduate and end up unemployed. If you can skate and forsure make a living off it, do it. There's no gaurantee you'll make a living with a college degree anyways, that comes down to picking an employable major and other factors.

I went and studied some niche ass shit and I still can't get my dream career going. If I could go back, I'd hold off on it until I'm 20 just to vibe for a bit. The current education system is stupid and so is pushing all 18 year olds to go to college immediately after high school.

It would be nice if pro's could at least take some classes tho so they aren't looking like morons on IG posting ignorant ass shit or conspiracies.
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trying to go PRO skateboarding is a HUGE risk. so easy to get hurt. a lot of being sucessful is about networking imo - its ultimately about your ability to sell clothes. that is how you can earn a good living. being able to sell boards is really not worth too mcuh money. being the best skater in the world doesnt mean you will get paid the omst. just being able to skate 40 hrs a week with no real offseason is very hard on your body. a lot of people go out too hard and then are not able to maintain income stream + then left with no transferrable skills.

 I think you have some value in your point though. a lot of people rush to go to school for something they dont even really want to do and then skateboarding becomes less important. I think you should prioritize what is important to you early on. there is nothing wrong with going to school when you are 30 (40 might be too old tho idk)... its a long life ahead. i did not really know what it was i wanted to do til i was about 25. theres just so many poeple shoving stuff down your thraot at every step of the way , its hard to really know what it is you want to do until you have put some actual time into it yourself.

i dont think going PRO should be the end goal of so many peoples skating it should really be lets elevate the skill as mcuh as possible on a personal level - that side of it should always be motivated internally. other people pushing you to do stuff you dont want to do is not good, but it is ok to get encouragement of course for things that are difficult that you WANT to do. when you have this mindset you attract other people of that mentality and i think that is the natural path of networking. try to meet everyone and see whats going on in the wider world of it. touch as many peoples lives as possible and integrate yourself into it. there is a lot more to skateboarding than being a pro. its a big industry with lot of room to grow and it wont run itself. you can make a great career surrounded with poeple you like to be around while still being close to skateboarding and less personal risk involved. maybe you dont even end up working in skateboarding but it led you to work with BIKES or VIDEO GAMES or editing or something else you are interetsed in.

having a positive attitude really goes a long way, the more people you can help boost up along your journey believe me those people often pop back up down the road and give that energy back to you when you need it. also on the flip side, having a shit attitude can burn a lot of bridges and fuck you over down the road. SLAP has actaully taught me a lot about how to conduct myself as a human being and empathsizing towards others ,not being so self-centred. i wish i would have taken more time to film other people or even just travel more in my own province to try and just meet more people but i was very narrow minded and just kept skating with the same people all the time.

yes this is true, some people get broken off. not saying skating at the pro level is like a one and done thing. like i said, there's probably pro's not mentioned in the thread who hung up the towel and stepped out of the limelight to pursue other things including an education. that one josiah dude on zero comes to mind.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2021, 08:18:38 PM »
As someone who’s been teaching college classes for almost a decade I can say that a decent chunk of our students really don’t need to be there. If you’re unsure what you want to do at age 18, by all means take some time to think about it before you take on tens of thousands in student debt.

However: It could still be smart to chip away at a few odd community or state college classes. Even if you have a chance to “make it” in skating you could probably benefit a lot from some courses in finance, exercise science, nutrition, marketing, kinesiology/physiology, or even graphic design. IE stuff that an athlete or someone working in the industry might want to know. No need to pay 100k for a useless 4 year degree... but always smart to try and gain an edge.

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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2021, 08:47:22 PM »
As someone who’s been teaching college classes for almost a decade I can say that a decent chunk of our students really don’t need to be there. If you’re unsure what you want to do at age 18, by all means take some time to think about it before you take on tens of thousands in student debt.

However: It could still be smart to chip away at a few odd community or state college classes. Even if you have a chance to “make it” in skating you could probably benefit a lot from some courses in finance, exercise science, nutrition, marketing, kinesiology/physiology, or even graphic design. IE stuff that an athlete or someone working in the industry might want to know. No need to pay 100k for a useless 4 year degree... but always smart to try and gain an edge.

I am also a college professor and I 100% agree with this. There is a lot of value in having a couple of years of community college under your belt and your basic classes you'll need to transfer to university while you're living off of scraps as a pro skater in 2021 before you have to make the jump back into the real world.

If it were 2001 and Kerry Getz was pondering whether or not to go to college and eschew making 250K a year for skateboarding, this would be a different conversation.

It's 2021 and your favorite skater with his name on a board drives for Uber/Doordash or is a Budtender to pay the bills.
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Re: Most Formally Educated Pros
« Reply #113 on: May 05, 2021, 10:53:01 AM »
Although he’s not a pro, I remember reading Charlie Birch studies finance at the University of Westminster in London.... quite intense for a member of the PWBC