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Impossible, Impossible?
« on: May 07, 2021, 08:57:35 AM »
Anyone have some tips for this one? I can do them no-comply style, but as soon as I try to do one with both feet on the board, I either don't get the "wrap" and/or the board just flies crazy around.

After some research, people say to pop with your back foot down and forward(?) and to get your other leg out of the way, but I just feel like i'm flailing around.

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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2021, 09:19:22 AM »

My tip for impossibles:

Visualize how a bicycle crank works (facing the crank and using your hand to rotate it). Now pretend you are grabbing a pedal from the 3 O'clock position and bring it up to 12 O'clock really fast. 5:30 is where you ollie and 630 is where you push the back forward and start to bring it up.

Ollie (we're not doing bitch 360 shuvs here) now you push down and forward just slightly then complete the crank motion.

Thing is, it's not a fast trick when you first learn it...it's very slow do to the wrap motion and the wrap doesn't work like a tre flip, you have to make it wrap but making your back foot moved down, forward and up...you've all done the motion of you done them sitting down popping the tail and fucking around.

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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2021, 09:37:37 AM »
I had the same problem initially. What got me there was instead of stepping off the board to the side, I would try to pick my front foot straight up and literally pretend itís not even there for a moment so I can get the wrap. Itís a very unnatural feeling at first, but basically imagine that instead of stepping on the ground youíre going to take your front foot and step onto nothing/an imaginary higher point than the ground. That way your front foot will stay out of the way and allow your back foot to pull the scoop off. Hope that helps you at all.. good luck!

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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2021, 10:25:04 AM »
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My tip for impossibles:

Visualize how a bicycle crank works (facing the crank and using your hand to rotate it). Now pretend you are grabbing a pedal from the 3 O'clock position and bring it up to 12 O'clock really fast. 5:30 is where you ollie and 630 is where you push the back forward and start to bring it up.

Ollie (we're not doing bitch 360 shuvs here) now you push down and forward just slightly then complete the crank motion.

Thing is, it's not a fast trick when you first learn it...it's very slow do to the wrap motion and the wrap doesn't work like a tre flip, you have to make it wrap but making your back foot moved down, forward and up...you've all done the motion of you done them sitting down popping the tail and fucking around.
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Anyone have some tips for this one? I can do them no-comply style, but as soon as I try to do one with both feet on the board, I either don't get the "wrap" and/or the board just flies crazy around.

After some research, people say to pop with your back foot down and forward(?) and to get your other leg out of the way, but I just feel like i'm flailing around.

Took me a few days to get them, stationary practicing in a driveway.

One thing to note is the front foot does nothing. At all. You just need to get it out of the way; the trick becomes super easy once you get the logic that it's all in the back foot (more so than treflips) with the wrap. If you can do them no-comply style you are really close!

Regarding my previous tip, another thing to think of when you want to wrap, by pushing forward, is to think of pushing 'through' the scoop - and let's be clear, if you have tres you have a muscle memory scoop, this is different and why people can't get them/do the shit berries version.

There are lots of how-to videos and most get it wrong. They say not to pop, use the pocket and forget to tell you to lift up (that's the bicycle crank concept), lifting up completes the wrap. It's also WAY easier if you pop it. Just go look at Ed's or Dylan's impossibles. Ollie, push down, push forward, lift up all in one motion.

This is the best video tip you can get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sySxuRtWusw

Notice how high Carlin gets them? Because he's lifting up the back foot to complete the wrap.

Jamie Thomas/Carlin/Dylan have the best of the best because they lift the wrap (vertical wrap), which is why I reference the bike crank visual, instead of how everyone else does them, which is like drawing a circle on the ground with your big toe, like Howell or Yankou (<- the worst now pop, from the pocket and spins around the front of the foot instead of wrapping).

Dylan used the pocket but still had the lift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJL9EiLrnD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCbwFLmPFy8

Thomas at clipper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ebSFQpB-g
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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2021, 11:14:01 AM »
Anyone have some tips for this one? I can do them no-comply style, but as soon as I try to do one with both feet on the board, I either don't get the "wrap" and/or the board just flies crazy around.

After some research, people say to pop with your back foot down and forward(?) and to get your other leg out of the way, but I just feel like i'm flailing around.

With the version you can do, you already know the basic principle of the trick which is centering your weight over the tail compensated with your front foot holding the board down and then you take that front foot off to release the pressure and get the nose to spring up like a catapult. For the ollie version all you need to do is adapt your technique so that you don't slide your front foot off and down, but instead you jump straight up and lift your front leg up so that your front foot never even comes close to interfering with the rotation. Once you've popped then it's one of those all-in-the-back-foot tricks. And sideways doesn't exist for this trick (or only by accident), you don't want any conscious kind of pop shove-it styled pop, you want to go for a strong vertical pop and then the quality of the wrap consequently happens to dictate the angle. The technique is just so different, you're better off forgetting about similarities with pop shove-its altogether.

Popping foot placement is especially crucial, pre-pop on that trick mine covers the whole width of the tail and is completely perpendicular to board length. You want to find that comfortable sweet spot from which you can just pop and instantly feel the board start to wrap around the whole of your foot, something which might feel unusual at first but think basic geometry and physics, experiment with timing i.e.. leaving your back foot lower for longer so that the board has the time to flip over it, or maybe try to pop a few fakie (or nollie) as then you'd be going with the momentum instead of fighting against it, which helps. You can also go slow for a few tries just to figure out the first half of the trick, landing on the board upside down if that part is giving you problem. But you basically want the release of the front foot to catapult the nose past the first 90 degrees of rotation and you assist that motion by scraping the tail forwards in a direction that sort of feels like you want to drive it through where your nose is pre-pop. That's how you force it through the next 90 degrees and then once in this position you just lift your back leg straight up to bring the board up with you and complete the rotation for the catch. The shoulders are supposed to do literally nothing so make sure you're in control of yours (no weird body varials to try and compensate for a missed rotation, etc.), I'm mostly facing forwards (in the direction I'm going or towards the obstacle) with my upper body on that trick regardless of the stance I do it in. If anything for this trick a lot of the movement is in the knees with the proper technique as it basically consists in sucking both your legs up in succession with the correct timing.

Oh yeah and the non-popping foot placement is irrelevant, just put it wherever it's easier for you to instantly get it out of the way and get the results you like the most.

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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2021, 12:09:51 PM »

For the ollie version all you need to do is adapt your technique so that you don't slide your front foot off and down, but instead you jump straight up and lift your front leg up so that your front foot never even comes close to interfering with the rotation. Once you've popped then it's one of those all-in-the-back-foot tricks. And sideways doesn't exist for this trick (or only by accident), you don't want any conscious kind of pop shove-it styled pop, you want to go for a strong vertical pop and then the quality of the wrap consequently happens to dictate the angle. The technique is just so different, you're better off forgetting about similarities with pop shove-its altogether.

It's funny, I sort of blackout to what my front foot does as I am only worried about the wrap.

Agreed on this trick has nothing to do with a pop-shuv.

Popping foot placement is especially crucial, pre-pop on that trick mine covers the whole width of the tail and is completely perpendicular to board length.

Likewise, this helps so much more with the [proper] wrap; if you are angled, like a tre, they can be done but they are the 'sideways' varient (much like the front foot impossible).

The shoulders are supposed to do literally nothing so make sure you're in control of yours (no weird body varials to try and compensate for a missed rotation, etc.), I'm mostly facing forwards (in the direction I'm going or towards the obstacle) with my upper body on that trick regardless of the stance I do it in. If anything for this trick a lot of the movement is in the knees with the proper technique as it basically consists in sucking both your legs up in succession with the correct timing.

Oh yeah and the non-popping foot placement is irrelevant, just put it wherever it's easier for you to instantly get it out of the way and get the results you like the most.

For me it depends, flatground or onto a ledge, my shoulders are usually square (perpendicular to the ledge), but if I'm going over something (obstacle), I need to have a bit of a forward facing stance so I know what type of wrap I'm going to need given speed and height.

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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2021, 02:21:17 PM »
Thank you everyone. The weather has been real shitty here lately, but when I get a chance to skate again, I can't wait to try the tips you guys suggested
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Re: Impossible, Impossible?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2021, 11:30:54 PM »
It's kinda a pressure and release trick...you sort of push down through your feet, I just concentrate on my front foot kicking off and the board just wraps around my back foot. 

Your back toe should be in the pocket.....

What messes me up is how people say 3 flip is scoop....and Imposs is scoop.  Totally different tricks.  3 flip is a scoop like you're trying to roll something over, imposs is more like a stir....