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« Reply #2220 on: May 31, 2024, 08:17:25 PM »
So did other Think ATVS Phil, Drehobl.... Not sure who ever said Venture or Thunder aren't good for transition but if anyone did they'd be wrong...

Again, its just a different approach.

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2221 on: June 01, 2024, 12:54:59 AM »
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Are the Thunder IKP finally officially out???


* Maybe just another "Whoops shouldn't have posted those yet" type of thing, but this is here in AU, so I guess they are getting out all over, not just in SF or USA.








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« Reply #2222 on: June 01, 2024, 05:22:50 AM »
I haven’t seen them at my shop yet, like you said someone was flowed some by deluxe and it was likely a whoops post.

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« Reply #2223 on: June 01, 2024, 07:04:55 AM »
That's exciting to see them this closely.

Hope they don't loosen on their own like most ikp's

KP clearance is def a weak spot on thunders so this is a welcome change as far as I'm concerned, if it works of course.

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« Reply #2224 on: June 01, 2024, 08:32:39 AM »
Wade rode Ventures, so you might be onto something with that setup.

Exactly why he was my reference!

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2225 on: June 01, 2024, 05:37:20 PM »
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Wade rode Ventures, so you might be onto something with that setup.
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Exactly why he was my reference!
So did other Think ATVS Phil, Drehobl.... Not sure who ever said Venture or Thunder aren't good for transition but if anyone did they'd be wrong...

Again, its just a different approach.


Those guys mid to late 90s were pretty much what I enjoyed the most of any era of any skating - Wade Speyer, Dan Drehobl, Phil Shao all on Ventures, even Cardiel on Ventures at that time.

It was a pretty special time to me.

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« Reply #2226 on: June 01, 2024, 06:10:22 PM »
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Are the Thunder IKP finally officially out???


* Maybe just another "Whoops shouldn't have posted those yet" type of thing, but this is here in AU, so I guess they are getting out all over, not just in SF or USA.





Yeah he definitely wasn’t supposed to post that.

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« Reply #2227 on: June 01, 2024, 06:36:25 PM »
Please tell me a new color of Thunder bushings means new DLX and Venture bushings.

Also these don't look like the T2...

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2228 on: June 01, 2024, 07:14:53 PM »
Please tell me a new color of Thunder bushings means new DLX and Venture bushings.

Also these don't look like the T2...


Things take a while to get out here to Australia, so I am guessing these are NOT the newer T2 truck and just the inverted kingpin version of their normal truck, but who knows really.

More than anything it is just good that these products are getting out to team riders all over, be it for testing or at the very least to provide them with the product first, which is what happened with the Spitfire Formula Four wheels back in 2012 before release in 2013, so it was pretty cool to see and skate the new wheels from a team riders' board back then, before they were even available for the general public.

Re bushing colour, I am also guessing with the new model of truck, having a very distinctive and different bushing colour is the main thing to recognising them - of course the inverted kingpin is highly visible, but like with the 148s with the distinctive orange bushings, or the Venture 6.1 trucks when they first came out, with the yellow bushings - both something that was easily seen and different to any current stock out there.

But yes I would be stoked to see and get more DLX bushings too.



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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2229 on: June 01, 2024, 08:09:00 PM »
So did other Think ATVS Phil, Drehobl.... Not sure who ever said Venture or Thunder aren't good for transition but if anyone did they'd be wrong...

Again, its just a different approach.
Worth noting, regardless: the Thunders & Ventures we ride today are NOT THE SAME as they were back in those fine gentlemen's era.
Make of that what you will.
I ride all of my trucks everywhere (such as I'm able.)
Do people really NOT ride certain trucks on certain terrain, or... ?
I mean, they all seem to work pretty well for me in most every scenario.
Granted, I prefer MORE turn to less, but I don't recall ever having a bummer session on some other trucks (big 4 only) to the point where, once adjusted to my prefs, they wouldn't perform in a perfectly serviceable manner.
I'm not spinning 900s like Arisa, but I'd wager preference leads over skill when it comes to truck selection.  In other words: them's what do will likely DO on whatever you put under them.
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« Reply #2230 on: June 01, 2024, 08:54:10 PM »
You are correct Lou. Although, you don't see many vert riders these days on Ventures. You used to.

It would be interesting to really take a look at how much Thunder and Venture have changed since their inception.

Also, why I think Thunder should really celebrate its history and come up with slightly higher, turnier truck again.

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« Reply #2231 on: June 02, 2024, 12:21:25 AM »
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So did other Think ATVS Phil, Drehobl.... Not sure who ever said Venture or Thunder aren't good for transition but if anyone did they'd be wrong...

Again, its just a different approach.
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Worth noting, regardless: the Thunders & Ventures we ride today are NOT THE SAME as they were back in those fine gentlemen's era.
Make of that what you will.
I ride all of my trucks everywhere (such as I'm able.)
Do people really NOT ride certain trucks on certain terrain, or... ?
I mean, they all seem to work pretty well for me in most every scenario.
Granted, I prefer MORE turn to less, but I don't recall ever having a bummer session on some other trucks (big 4 only) to the point where, once adjusted to my prefs, they wouldn't perform in a perfectly serviceable manner.
I'm not spinning 900s like Arisa, but I'd wager preference leads over skill when it comes to truck selection.  In other words: them's what do will likely DO on whatever you put under them.
How far off am I on this, PALS?
Don't be bashful; let my uncultured ass have it w/ your opinions.  I need to understand.
Honestly, I think at my skill level it doesn't matter what I skate, I do PREFER venture lows though. I could skate better on thunders 147s but Venture lows are the coolest looking truck in my eyes. At the end of the day i try to skate what i get hyped on, and what looks cool to me.

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« Reply #2232 on: June 02, 2024, 08:43:08 AM »
I skated my first Thunders in 1997 and they were not higher or more turny. Highs were rare to find in store at the time and IIRC Indy's were the highest.

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2233 on: June 02, 2024, 09:31:27 AM »
You can find a ripping transition skater on every brand of truck.  Plus they have all been redesigned considerably over time.  That said, the marketing and how the truck fits into your narrative is totally valid, it's just not consistent to everyone else.

I always think of that Chris Miller part, he's on Thunders and one of my favourite parts ever on transition.  That said, I suspect he's skating them pretty tight.  Mcrank is an ATV GOAT....rode thunders when he was on Royal bonus points.

I'd say on transition, they still give you a rad little bit of carve then stabilize which would work.  I've always hated how Thunders wheelbite but I think it's more impact related, not so much carving around.  If you want to get really turny though, ACEs, Indys.....

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2234 on: June 02, 2024, 10:43:16 AM »
You are correct Lou. Although, you don't see many vert riders these days on Ventures. You used to.

It would be interesting to really take a look at how much Thunder and Venture have changed since their inception.

Also, why I think Thunder should really celebrate its history and come up with slightly higher, turnier truck again.

Having skating both Thunder and Venture since their inception and many interations..it was purley follks wanting a peice of the pie and marketing 'street' trucks. They both turned more traditionally than than they do now (obvioulsy it's tough to remember a feel from decades ago). Hell Ventures were supposed to be a Tracker alternative (and thunder to indy) that was lighter and turned faster (hence the street marketing).

OG thunder plates were so cool, heavy goth architecture vibe+all the skulls and shit.



Ads were super raw/punk rock too. This was the first pool (pool, not bowl and a shitty one) I skated (we used to hitch hike ot it). He's going over the light on a wall that was just straight ass vert in the deep end with minimal (and steep/quick) tranny.



Thunders were the OG hesh truck.
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« Reply #2235 on: June 02, 2024, 12:58:39 PM »
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You are correct Lou. Although, you don't see many vert riders these days on Ventures. You used to.

It would be interesting to really take a look at how much Thunder and Venture have changed since their inception.

Also, why I think Thunder should really celebrate its history and come up with slightly higher, turnier truck again.
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Having skating both Thunder and Venture since their inception and many interations..it was purley follks wanting a peice of the pie and marketing 'street' trucks. They both turned more traditionally than than they do now (obvioulsy it's tough to remember a feel from decades ago). Hell Ventures were supposed to be a Tracker alternative (and thunder to indy) that was lighter and turned faster (hence the street marketing).

OG thunder plates were so cool, heavy goth architecture vibe+all the skulls and shit.



Ads were super raw/punk rock too. This was the first pool (pool, not bowl and a shitty one) I skated (we used to hitch hike ot it). He's going over the light on a wall that was just straight ass vert in the deep end with minimal (and steep/quick) tranny.



Thunders were the OG hesh truck.

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2236 on: June 02, 2024, 01:06:38 PM »
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So did other Think ATVS Phil, Drehobl.... Not sure who ever said Venture or Thunder aren't good for transition but if anyone did they'd be wrong...

Again, its just a different approach.
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Worth noting, regardless: the Thunders & Ventures we ride today are NOT THE SAME as they were back in those fine gentlemen's era.
Make of that what you will.
I ride all of my trucks everywhere (such as I'm able.)
Do people really NOT ride certain trucks on certain terrain, or... ?
I mean, they all seem to work pretty well for me in most every scenario.
Granted, I prefer MORE turn to less, but I don't recall ever having a bummer session on some other trucks (big 4 only) to the point where, once adjusted to my prefs, they wouldn't perform in a perfectly serviceable manner.
I'm not spinning 900s like Arisa, but I'd wager preference leads over skill when it comes to truck selection.  In other words: them's what do will likely DO on whatever you put under them.
How far off am I on this, PALS?
Don't be bashful; let my uncultured ass have it w/ your opinions.  I need to understand.

I definitely agree. when I started skating in 2000, thunder high’s had a good amount of clearance. I dont remember exactly when, but thunder re did their 145 and 147, and didnt really advertise it, until one day a thunder ad with buzentiz was in the new thrasher, and they had pics of the re design. wanna say it was 2006ish?
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« Reply #2237 on: June 02, 2024, 01:56:20 PM »
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You are correct Lou. Although, you don't see many vert riders these days on Ventures. You used to.

It would be interesting to really take a look at how much Thunder and Venture have changed since their inception.

Also, why I think Thunder should really celebrate its history and come up with slightly higher, turnier truck again.
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Having skating both Thunder and Venture since their inception and many interations..it was purley follks wanting a peice of the pie and marketing 'street' trucks. They both turned more traditionally than than they do now (obvioulsy it's tough to remember a feel from decades ago). Hell Ventures were supposed to be a Tracker alternative (and thunder to indy) that was lighter and turned faster (hence the street marketing).

OG thunder plates were so cool, heavy goth architecture vibe+all the skulls and shit.



Ads were super raw/punk rock too. This was the first pool (pool, not bowl and a shitty one) I skated (we used to hitch hike ot it). He's going over the light on a wall that was just straight ass vert in the deep end with minimal (and steep/quick) tranny.



Thunders were the OG hesh truck.

Damn this is epic! I remember getting Thunders mostly because Marc Johnson and a lot of riders I liked did too. Gino rode them in Trilogy I think? I loved em and learned almost everything on them. Eventually I skated a lot of Ventures and I'm not sure when it was but I accidentally bought Venturr highs at some point and that's when I finally loosened my trucks past 90's tight.

Weren't Venture originally an Indy alternative? I thought I remember reading somewhere, maybe Feedback Ted posted it, that the first versions had the same geometry and they just put the wing shape in the middle to differentiate them in ads. IIRC their first ad was with Gonz? I'm likely wrong, but I had thought Venture and Thunder were marketed as the street alternatives to Indy, Tracker, and transition trucks.

While we're at it anyone remember Orion? I had quite a few sets of those too because I went through a Kalis worship phase.

Out of curiosity has anyone ever compared the olde Thunder or Venture geo with the new ones? That would be really interesting.

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« Reply #2238 on: June 02, 2024, 02:20:12 PM »
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You are correct Lou. Although, you don't see many vert riders these days on Ventures. You used to.

It would be interesting to really take a look at how much Thunder and Venture have changed since their inception.

Also, why I think Thunder should really celebrate its history and come up with slightly higher, turnier truck again.
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Having skating both Thunder and Venture since their inception and many interations..it was purley follks wanting a peice of the pie and marketing 'street' trucks. They both turned more traditionally than than they do now (obvioulsy it's tough to remember a feel from decades ago). Hell Ventures were supposed to be a Tracker alternative (and thunder to indy) that was lighter and turned faster (hence the street marketing).

OG thunder plates were so cool, heavy goth architecture vibe+all the skulls and shit.



Ads were super raw/punk rock too. This was the first pool (pool, not bowl and a shitty one) I skated (we used to hitch hike ot it). He's going over the light on a wall that was just straight ass vert in the deep end with minimal (and steep/quick) tranny.



Thunders were the OG hesh truck.
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Damn this is epic! I remember getting Thunders mostly because Marc Johnson and a lot of riders I liked did too. Gino rode them in Trilogy I think? I loved em and learned almost everything on them. Eventually I skated a lot of Ventures and I'm not sure when it was but I accidentally bought Venturr highs at some point and that's when I finally loosened my trucks past 90's tight.

Weren't Venture originally an Indy alternative? I thought I remember reading somewhere, maybe Feedback Ted posted it, that the first versions had the same geometry and they just put the wing shape in the middle to differentiate them in ads. IIRC their first ad was with Gonz? I'm likely wrong, but I had thought Venture and Thunder were marketed as the street alternatives to Indy, Tracker, and transition trucks.

While we're at it anyone remember Orion? I had quite a few sets of those too because I went through a Kalis worship phase.

Out of curiosity has anyone ever compared the olde Thunder or Venture geo with the new ones? That would be really interesting.

gino was on thunders pre trilogy, and maybe a few clips in there too.
he does a pupecki (maybe switch?) at some point, possibly in af1s and on a board with indy’s. i can’t remember, my mind is fuzzy.
the thunder team always made me want to ride them, way more than indy. lots of dudes, mj, ellington, herman, wade, ishod, nate jones, dennis b, lots of folks.

i had one set of orions, and they were kinda sick. weird time in my life, i want to say very early 2000s. i’d try anything (same as now), and got some orions to go on an aesthetics board. the bushings were kinda fucked, from me cranking them straight away like a kook, and the bushings were small. had to get bones bushings to replace em. off track but there was like three or four skateshops in the city at that time, now there’s one, sorta two.

i’d be very interested in how the trucks, both venture and thunder, have changed over time.

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2239 on: June 02, 2024, 04:25:44 PM »


Weren't Venture originally an Indy alternative?

Correct. Also several stages of Venture and Thunder were designed by one  the Ace head honchos, Steve "Shrewgy' Ruge.

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« Reply #2240 on: June 02, 2024, 06:34:16 PM »
I had to log in just to add my 2 cents.
Ryan Johnson rode thunders and absolutely ripped grass valley pools(and massive handrails). So if a ATV ripper like RJ can ride thunders bolted to a 151 plank and handle the shallows of a swimmer… hesh / fresh don’t matter thunders turn great, grind great and as someone said earlier they may not market to your narrative.

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« Reply #2241 on: June 02, 2024, 07:27:56 PM »
Man that's a name I haven't heard in forever. I remember when he got on New Deal, but he faded out equally quick what happened?

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2242 on: June 02, 2024, 07:37:43 PM »
Man that's a name I haven't heard in forever. I remember when he got on New Deal, but he faded out equally quick what happened?

According to two of the comments on his part from the 7 year glitch video he was/is:

"he works at lions den skatepark a few days out of the week and shreds the gnar like no other" (comment from 14 years ago)
"He still rips bro he still in the Fresno I think" (comment from 1 year ago)

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2243 on: June 03, 2024, 11:08:39 AM »
Got a bit of bushing madness:

Thunder 90a - Too soft
Thunder 92a - Still too soft
Thunder 94a - too hard
Bones Hards - responsive, but too hard still

I've given up on conical style bushings for now, and want to try Independent barrel bushings. I'm pretty sure I read on here that they fit Thunders. Any recommendation on either the 90 or 92? I think the 94s are out of the question. Just want more stability.


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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2244 on: June 03, 2024, 12:22:01 PM »
Got a bit of bushing madness:

Thunder 90a - Too soft
Thunder 92a - Still too soft
Thunder 94a - too hard
Bones Hards - responsive, but too hard still

I've given up on conical style bushings for now, and want to try Independent barrel bushings. I'm pretty sure I read on here that they fit Thunders. Any recommendation on either the 90 or 92? I think the 94s are out of the question. Just want more stability.


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skate the 94a bushings, just break them in. there’s a lot of ways to speed this up, you could sand them down just a touch, and/or compulsively rock back and forth whilst tightening and loosening the kingpin nut, to try and break things in faster.
my experience has been, again and again, that the stock bushings are the stock bushings, for reasons.

or summon our bushing champion, @Xen, and he might be able to get you squared away

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2245 on: June 03, 2024, 12:29:03 PM »
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Got a bit of bushing madness:

Thunder 90a - Too soft
Thunder 92a - Still too soft
Thunder 94a - too hard
Bones Hards - responsive, but too hard still

I've given up on conical style bushings for now, and want to try Independent barrel bushings. I'm pretty sure I read on here that they fit Thunders. Any recommendation on either the 90 or 92? I think the 94s are out of the question. Just want more stability.
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nah.
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skate the 94a bushings, just break them in. there’s a lot of ways to speed this up, you could sand them down just a touch, and/or compulsively rock back and forth whilst tightening and loosening the kingpin nut, to try and break things in faster.
my experience has been, again and again, that the stock bushings are the stock bushings, for reasons.

or summon our bushing champion, @Xen, and he might be able to get you squared away

Depends on your weight. Like @ok said, break in the 94s, they get soft pretty quick (I found them, and the 97s, too soft @190lbs or so). Problem with thunder bottoms is the height, nothing matches it, everything is shorter.

Sand down the bottom portion of the TOP bushing or buy a set of bushings with a low Hard(er) top and use the thunder bottom low hard top (ACE come to mind).

If you still have the 94s and the Bones hard, suggest using the thunder 94 bottom (with the bones flat washer as bottom washer) and the bones hard top (NO top washer) and see what you get. That bones hard top will compress down to a low real fast giving you a bit more wiggle room with how much you need to tighten the kingpin nut.
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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2246 on: June 03, 2024, 03:29:54 PM »
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Got a bit of bushing madness:

Thunder 90a - Too soft
Thunder 92a - Still too soft
Thunder 94a - too hard
Bones Hards - responsive, but too hard still

I've given up on conical style bushings for now, and want to try Independent barrel bushings. I'm pretty sure I read on here that they fit Thunders. Any recommendation on either the 90 or 92? I think the 94s are out of the question. Just want more stability.
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nah.
respectfully. nah.


skate the 94a bushings, just break them in. there’s a lot of ways to speed this up, you could sand them down just a touch, and/or compulsively rock back and forth whilst tightening and loosening the kingpin nut, to try and break things in faster.
my experience has been, again and again, that the stock bushings are the stock bushings, for reasons.

or summon our bushing champion, @Xen, and he might be able to get you squared away

I've always used stock bushings for this reason but I was getting desperate ha

Anyway thank you and @Xen too. I'm gonna try breaking these in some more and if that doesn't work I'll try the other suggestions.

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2247 on: June 03, 2024, 04:51:07 PM »
Did anyone ever figure out who was testing the T2s? Was it axel crysburgh. Just realized he used to be Indy forever and has been on thunders lately

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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2248 on: June 03, 2024, 05:19:14 PM »
Did anyone ever figure out who was testing the T2s? Was it axel crysburgh. Just realized he used to be Indy forever and has been on thunders lately


You might be thinking of Mason on either the Real or his own Instagram or other clips, when he had the board set up with those trucks on the 93 duro Spitfire wheels.

I am sure quite a lot of people had them though - others on here said they either had a skate of them, or saw them on boards in shop or similar situations.



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Re: The Thunder Thread
« Reply #2249 on: June 03, 2024, 07:32:32 PM »
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Did anyone ever figure out who was testing the T2s? Was it axel crysburgh. Just realized he used to be Indy forever and has been on thunders lately
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You might be thinking of Mason on either the Real or his own Instagram or other clips, when he had the board set up with those trucks on the 93 duro Spitfire wheels.

I am sure quite a lot of people had them though - others on here said they either had a skate of them, or saw them on boards in shop or similar situations.

brimmer correct, it was mason