Thoughts on Gifted Hater?

[grassblade]

the only thing she's earned at this point, is being clowned on

[Kook Me Amadeus]

the only thing she's earned at this point, is being clowned on

Weird, it’s almost like she’s living her dream and she’s stoked on it.

[Shrinedescender]

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Part of the reason GH went in on Beatrice specifically when he could have gone after so many other kooks in the industry is because she's given media attention as a representative of skateboarding. Him arguing that she shouldn't be pro serves to reinforce the greater point that the features about her in NYT, Vogue, etc. are unearned and a bad thing to encourage due to the standard they set in the subculture. That you can be rewarded for putting in subpar effort granted you can talk yourself up enough in interviews and market yourself as a respectable figure. His criticisms of Dill and those who prop her up as an "industry plant" attest to this point.

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I hear you for sure.  But doesn’t that sound a little fear based?  There’ll be others if we allow this!  I’m all for some healthy gate keeping, but how is a Black girl who went viral on instagram, who inspired tons of female skaters over the past decade, getting pro status on a dying brand so much of an issue.  It sounds like some right wing scapegoating.  So many other influencer skaters get coverage like that too.  She’s paving the way for other female skaters to follow her path. The next generation is already set up so much better.  Just don’t buy her board if you don’t like her.

That's the problem

[Kook Me Amadeus]

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Part of the reason GH went in on Beatrice specifically when he could have gone after so many other kooks in the industry is because she's given media attention as a representative of skateboarding. Him arguing that she shouldn't be pro serves to reinforce the greater point that the features about her in NYT, Vogue, etc. are unearned and a bad thing to encourage due to the standard they set in the subculture. That you can be rewarded for putting in subpar effort granted you can talk yourself up enough in interviews and market yourself as a respectable figure. His criticisms of Dill and those who prop her up as an "industry plant" attest to this point.

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I hear you for sure.  But doesn’t that sound a little fear based?  There’ll be others if we allow this!  I’m all for some healthy gate keeping, but how is a Black girl who went viral on instagram, who inspired tons of female skaters over the past decade, getting pro status on a dying brand so much of an issue.  It sounds like some right wing scapegoating.  So many other influencer skaters get coverage like that too.  She’s paving the way for other female skaters to follow her path. The next generation is already set up so much better.  Just don’t buy her board if you don’t like her.

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That's the problem

THEY TOOK ‘ER JOBS!

[hotdogsweatpants]

Kook Me Amadeus is more annoying that SlapGPT, wow.

[Kook Me Amadeus]

Kook Me Amadeus is more annoying that SlapGPT, wow.

My bad, I’ll let you get back to the circle jerk.

[burkel]

I agree with Amadeus. My opinion is that if you're aware, as a white person, of the reality of race in America, the wise move is to not come after a woman of color. You can say that quite simply, in fact. "Not really my job to talk shit on this person. Being a black woman comes with challenges I'll never understand, as one of the whitest people on the planet."

You certainly don't have to, it just might be the more tolerant move.

Also, the cool thing about skateboarding is that since it's not a point-based system, Johnathon Athlete Switchflipbacktail is not always the one who gets his name on the board. It comes down to intangibles. Because of that, skateboarding is the perfect place for someone who is generally seen to have less value to make a little (and I mean A LITTLE) money from the industry and get some notoriety.

[Abyss1]

lol saw that GH posted on patreon about all this shit
Didn't know skate Twitter existed

Edit after I finished his take on the Beatrice drama (pretty bad btw), he deleted the post

He should really stick to Borra and Nigel

[Urtripping]

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because she's still doing something groundbreaking.

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What is she doing that is groundbreaking? Not trying to be snarky, that is a genuine question.

Just being a black female pro. It's hard for le to come up with a list off top, so to me, that makes it pretty groundbreaking since it isn't really normalized as much as some folks are making it seem.

@pizzafliptofakie If I remember correctly, he went in a bit harder and for a longer amount of time to discredit her... second only to the biggest Kook, Elijah Berle. I could be mistaken though, I only watched that vid once through

Edit: side note, I don't think Beatrice being pro despite prioritizing IG will result in some net negative for skateboarding, which seems to be Joa's argument. Skating is large enough and has enough variety for cool shit to continue happening unaffected, having its proper place as the stuff really doing the legwork to influence and progress skating. I see more people entering skating as making it larger, putting more money into the industry, and something that doesn't necessarily water down the cool shit.

This still happened despite Beatrice being pro, and it'll continue to happen. It'll continue to be easy to ignore IG skateboarding if that's not your shit. Who cares? To make a big deal out of it and spend as much time as we all are discussing it is misplaced imo. Is Dick Rizzo pissed that Beatrice has her name on a board? Probably not, so wr probably shouldn't be either.

[Kook Me Amadeus]

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because she's still doing something groundbreaking.

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What is she doing that is groundbreaking? Not trying to be snarky, that is a genuine question.

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Just being a black female pro. It's hard for le to come up with a list off top, so to me, that makes it pretty groundbreaking since it isn't really normalized as much as some folks are making it seem.

@pizzafliptofakie If I remember correctly, he went in a bit harder and for a longer amount of time to discredit her... second only to the biggest Kook, Elijah Berle. I could be mistaken though, I only watched that vid once through

Edit: side note, I don't think Beatrice being pro despite prioritizing IG will result in some net negative for skateboarding, which seems to be Joa's argument. Skating is large enough and has enough variety for cool shit to continue happening unaffected, having its proper place as the stuff really doing the legwork to influence and progress skating. I see more people entering skating as making it larger, putting more money into the industry, and something that doesn't necessarily water down the cool shit.

This still happened despite Beatrice being pro, and it'll continue to happen. It'll continue to be easy to ignore IG skateboarding if that's not your shit. Who cares? To make a big deal out of it and spend as much time as we all are discussing it is misplaced imo. Is Dick Rizzo pissed that Beatrice has her name on a board? Probably not, so wr probably shouldn't be either.

I really hope you start up a shop.  The skate industry/community needs more people like you.

[swellbowed]

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It's been over a year of this thread, started a poll to see how everyone feels about GH

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only 14 votes. This is why democracy is a failed experiment.

[Shrinedescender]

If y'all are cool with a precedent being set where skaters come up through Instagram, barely skate, and get all this attention as an "influencer" propped up by the industry than that's on you. You can continue to parasocially support by commenting "stoked for them" and "get that bag" under every corny lifestyle article and brand endorsement post while getting nothing of value in return.

It doesn't just go for Beatrice, though she's one of the most high profile examples, but for any person of any race or gender being propped up as a representative for skateboarding while doing none of those things to earn that place. Skating as an industry is subject to certain kinds of capital constraints, and as a subculture it's subject to certain kinds of cultural constraints; in other words, it's a zero sum game. The more this influencer type BS is given money and encouragement, the more it takes away from people who actually care about skating and are trying to contribute to it and progress it in a productive way.

The question is not, 'Is skateboarding big enough for everyone?' But how do we highlight who/what is worth highlighting with the available resources of the industry. Because while skateboarding can grow and small board brands that no one pays attention to can emerge with their own opportunities, what's considered cool and who the respected figures of the industry are will always be a limited circle. I think if we encourage people to take this kind of approach then we allow Vogue and the NYT to dictate what's cool in skating, regardless of their actual merit as skateboarders, and those people are ultimately rewarded with pro status over others. Call it fear based, but I think if you care about the integrity of skateboarding then its reasonable to call this kind of stuff out for the problems it raises.

[Sila]

Sounds like some people here would be happy with a governing body that can police companies decisions and to have a hand in deciding who should and shouldn't be pro lol.

If someone runs a brand and is happy to spend the time and money putting a new name on a board that's all there is to it. Time will tell if they sell enough to make it a worthwhile move. I legit couldn't care less if someone bought blanks and turned themselves pro with a clip of them doing a firecracker down a three stair.

[lurkluke]

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It's been over a year of this thread, started a poll to see how everyone feels about GH

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only 14 votes. This is why democracy is a failed experiment.

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lol I had to do a double take at them numbers. Democracy, once again, wins.

[frontshuv]

she seems friendly

[Kook Me Amadeus]

If y'all are cool with a precedent being set where skaters come up through Instagram, barely skate, and get all this attention as an "influencer" propped up by the industry than that's on you. You can continue to parasocially support by commenting "stoked for them" and "get that bag" under every corny lifestyle article and brand endorsement post while getting nothing of value in return.

It doesn't just go for Beatrice, though she's one of the most high profile examples, but for any person of any race or gender being propped up as a representative for skateboarding while doing none of those things to earn that place. Skating as an industry is subject to certain kinds of capital constraints, and as a subculture it's subject to certain kinds of cultural constraints; in other words, it's a zero sum game. The more this influencer type BS is given money and encouragement, the more it takes away from people who actually care about skating and are trying to contribute to it and progress it in a productive way.

The question is not, 'Is skateboarding big enough for everyone?' But how do we highlight who/what is worth highlighting with the available resources of the industry. Because while skateboarding can grow and small board brands that no one pays attention to can emerge with their own opportunities, what's considered cool and who the respected figures of the industry are will always be a limited circle. I think if we encourage people to take this kind of approach then we allow Vogue and the NYT to dictate what's cool in skating, regardless of their actual merit as skateboarders, and those people are ultimately rewarded with pro status over others. Call it fear based, but I think if you care about the integrity of skateboarding then its reasonable to call this kind of stuff out for the problems it raises.

When have institutions like this ever determined what’s “cool” in skating?  Also it seems like your issues lie primarily with Dill, not with Beatrice - who is simply living her life.  No need to villify her.

[Urtripping]

When has vogue or nyt ever dictated what's cool in skateboarding lmao. Sounds like a you problem.

Old head syndrome is funny as hell.

[fakie nollie]

If y'all are cool with a precedent being set where skaters come up through Instagram, barely skate, and get all this attention as an "influencer" propped up by the industry than that's on you. You can continue to parasocially support by commenting "stoked for them" and "get that bag" under every corny lifestyle article and brand endorsement post while getting nothing of value in return.

It doesn't just go for Beatrice, though she's one of the most high profile examples, but for any person of any race or gender being propped up as a representative for skateboarding while doing none of those things to earn that place. Skating as an industry is subject to certain kinds of capital constraints, and as a subculture it's subject to certain kinds of cultural constraints; in other words, it's a zero sum game. The more this influencer type BS is given money and encouragement, the more it takes away from people who actually care about skating and are trying to contribute to it and progress it in a productive way.

The question is not, 'Is skateboarding big enough for everyone?' But how do we highlight who/what is worth highlighting with the available resources of the industry. Because while skateboarding can grow and small board brands that no one pays attention to can emerge with their own opportunities, what's considered cool and who the respected figures of the industry are will always be a limited circle. I think if we encourage people to take this kind of approach then we allow Vogue and the NYT to dictate what's cool in skating, regardless of their actual merit as skateboarders, and those people are ultimately rewarded with pro status over others. Call it fear based, but I think if you care about the integrity of skateboarding then its reasonable to call this kind of stuff out for the problems it raises.

Dude go touch some grass

[Urtripping]

Hating on Beatrice's career has the same energy as shooting up a six pack of bud light with an ar-15.

Let's focus on skateboarding's real problems.

[Uncle Flea]

I have a massive pyramid of friends.

[Ray C. Usery]

Travel Skate shop has this shirt in size medium someone should send it to Joa I'm sure he would be happy to wear it

https://www.travelskateshop.com/collections/apparel/products/fa-beatrice-domond-class-photo-t-shirt

He can tape over the FA and write Sci-Fi

I like GH and I like FA I like just about everything in skateboarding that's why I've been doing it for 40 years

[WhoCareZ]

I like GH and I like FA I like just about everything in skateboarding that's why I've been doing it for 40 years

I like GH but his skin is thinner than water

[dallou]

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I like GH and I like FA I like just about everything in skateboarding that's why I've been doing it for 40 years

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I like GH but his skin is thinner than water

Yeah, I am suprised he posted that twich stream, some moments were embarassing. I ve had moments like that where I get heated up and start saying weak shit in an arguments and oh boy do I feel like dumb ass after. I cannot imagine it beeing broadcasted online after. 
At times it seems that were are witnessing the gifted hater to berra pipeline happening

Imo he is way better in a more currated video format or with a guest but those 1H30 streams are a bit rough to watch. Also sometimes the lingo he is using is rubbing me the wrong way, he talks a bit like some reedit edge lord 14 year old from time to time. I guess his brain is half skating half dumb internet shit.


If I were him I would take a break and stop posting and twiching every opinion I have online for a bit. Go outside on a sidewalk with a drink in the sun.

[manysnakes]

If y'all are cool with a precedent being set where skaters come up through Instagram, barely skate, and get all this attention as an "influencer" propped up by the industry than that's on you. You can continue to parasocially support by commenting "stoked for them" and "get that bag" under every corny lifestyle article and brand endorsement post while getting nothing of value in return.

It doesn't just go for Beatrice, though she's one of the most high profile examples, but for any person of any race or gender being propped up as a representative for skateboarding while doing none of those things to earn that place. Skating as an industry is subject to certain kinds of capital constraints, and as a subculture it's subject to certain kinds of cultural constraints; in other words, it's a zero sum game. The more this influencer type BS is given money and encouragement, the more it takes away from people who actually care about skating and are trying to contribute to it and progress it in a productive way.

The question is not, 'Is skateboarding big enough for everyone?' But how do we highlight who/what is worth highlighting with the available resources of the industry. Because while skateboarding can grow and small board brands that no one pays attention to can emerge with their own opportunities, what's considered cool and who the respected figures of the industry are will always be a limited circle. I think if we encourage people to take this kind of approach then we allow Vogue and the NYT to dictate what's cool in skating, regardless of their actual merit as skateboarders, and those people are ultimately rewarded with pro status over others. Call it fear based, but I think if you care about the integrity of skateboarding then its reasonable to call this kind of stuff out for the problems it raises.

It’s hard to accept this, I know, but it’s not 2002 anymore.

[who da thunk it]

Are any of you actually stoked on Beatrice's skating?

[manysnakes]

Are any of you actually stoked on Beatrice's skating?

I think she sucks. No style, no tricks, nothing. Probably one of the worst professional skaters of all time. But it still doesn’t matter.

[fredgallSOTY]

I have a massive pyramid of friends.

[Aquatic Dinosaur]

You can suck at skating and still film a full part.

[jerrygurneyscream]

Yeah fr where’s the Beatrice part tho

[Sketch Hitchcock]

Yeah fr where’s the Beatrice part tho

If this was all just a viral campaign to get me stoked about watching her part, it worked.