Creating space on the first page to add in all the information for woodshops, including pics and other stuff, so it will be easier to access and find throughout the first page of this thread.
I imagine it will take a bit of time to transfer most of the stuff I have compiled and other info, apart from the lists I had kept updated in the previous thread, but any additional info or whatever, please add it in here so I can add it to the main page under each main woodshop, or in one of the spare areas.
At least this should be a much better overall thread right from go, as I had been thinking about it from the first one.
Additional posts I thought were relevant I will include here for now as well:
Woodshop discrepancies
I had been thinking about this for a while, but needed to have more than one deck of each, as well as the same or very closely similar dimensions, so on top of that, here are three decks each from PS Stix (left) and BBS (right) all for the same brand (Element) to compare, measure and see what differences, as noted there are.
As per the tops, the PS Stix is 8.375 x 32.25 and the BBS is 8.25 x 32.25 both with 14.25 wheelbase and very similar length nose and tails. The PS Stix is significantly shorter than the BBS overall, mostly in the tail (which is why I stopped riding them) and curiously not being as wide, both being almost the same, even though 8.375 should be wider than 8.25 but the PS Stix also tapers a lot more from the front down to just over 8.125 at the back, with a stubby squared off tail, whereas the BBS keeps the 8.25 width right through the boards with rounder kicks.
The other interesting thing to note, even though both seem to be much the same angle in the tails and overall concave, all the PS Stix wood appear much steeper in the nose, as per the pics, which I could feel when I stood on them too.
PS Stix are more the traditional mold, with the kicks starting with a definite line across the boards and a straight face on the kicks, so they are flatter with no side to side concave, compared to BBS which have the "spoon concave" in the kicks, no definite line across the deck which makes the boards a little more mellow feeling in the area just after the bolts, as well as holding your foot on the board just a little better too, with side to side concave in the same way that the middle of the board does.
I have skated a lot of both PS Stix and BBS boards over the years, so even though my favourite is BBS nowdays, there is nothing wrong with PS Stix as a good woodshop. Like anything, there will always be those who prefer one more so than the other. This is not at all about how the board feels to ride or how long they last either, just about the measurements and concave for now.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CR7z34oF7_l/Board dimensions are a funny thing.
Here are four different brands, all from the same woodshop, all of which those companies list different lengths for their 8.5 wide standard shaped decks, but all are actually the exact same size and dimensions overall. Note the wheelbase is listed the same too, at 14.5 for all.
I have also included an older Baker deck beside the newer one (Baker RVCA colab), just for reference, but they are said to be 8.5 x 32, then the Black Label is said to be 8.5 x 32.38, the Element is 8.5 x 32.7 and the Generator (shop brand) deck is listed as 8.5 x 32.5 from their site.
All are actually 8.5 x 32.7 if the tape measure is held against the concave right through, or closer to 32.25 if kept tight from end to end, with a nose at about 7.2 and tail at about 6.7 but that is just rough measurements really.
The dimensions shown on the Element deck are the most accurate, but I know some companies / places prefer to measure straight across, not with the concave, which will always give a different length.
Other decks from different companies, regardless of woodshop, often have inconsistencies, which is why I find it so interesting to have a number of the same boards from various places to measure and compare, all of these being the same, as I have multiples of each.
There are ever so slight differences in concave too, but for the most part, they all are approximately the same, some slightly steeper and some slightly more mellow than others, depending on where they were in the press, being four at a time in this particular woodshop, the top being the steepest down to the fourth deck having the least concave. It can be fairly significant, as per an older post I put up.
The last pic is just an added one with a few other brands which also use the same woodshop, but I didn't have the exact same size boards from those brands to add, even though the Birdhouse and Antihero both are 14.5 wheelbase, they are listed as 8.38 wide and 32.25 long, which come in just under the length of the other ones.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSV3emllWYC/Concave in general is an interesting one, especially if you are out there measuring boards with the app for the angle of the kicks, but standing on them is the best way to feel out the concave, which I have done for way too many years, but shall we say that from over a few hundred DLX decks (via a skate shop) I have noted significant differences to other BBS wood - and that was the question, not all woodshops but BBS in particular.
I know there are many other brands / woodshops that have more mellow concave too, just to make that clear.
Back to DLX and Antihero in particular (although all three deck brands use the same wood so have the same options in concave), I only really like to ride the IV boards, or even III when it feels ok, which are significantly more mellow than anything else, including the Baker boards (OG Mellow concave versions) I have, as well as the DGK, and all the other BBS boards that have passed through my hands, too many to count, if we were talking numbers, it would be thousands. Call me crazy, but almost all of which I have stood on to get a feel for the board too.
Also I don't know what it is but DLX 8.25 decks in general ALL seem to be steeper in concave than others, be it different presses or what, but every number I through to IV have been way steeper than say the 8.38 that I usually ride, which would give the same conclusion to what you found with the grey eagle deck.
Here is an interesting post showing the concave differences from a while back, in particular frames 3 and 4 showing the differences in board concave and angle of kicks, which is quite significant.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNBo7unFfc4/On the subject of driving over boards, yes it seems a bit obvious that something has to give structurally and I know some people who have flattened boards too much from doing this, but I have done at least twenty or more myself, all BBS, which has no overall detrimental effect on the deck apart from making it more mellow in the kicks, sometimes doing both ends, other times only doing the tail, but it works and I have never felt any of these boards break or have issues from the process.
This video below was just the first test on a new board that was too steep, which I was not worried if I broke it or anything, but I have since been parking overnight on most boards as they spring back too quickly from just simply driving over them. Note the deck before and after, for which I felt almost no difference in the feel of it when I set it back up and skated it, so needed to park on it for way longer.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFqdpGRBTua/
I meant to say before that Passport decks also seemed like the identical concave (same presses I would imagine) as Magenta, and also on the dark brown wood stains that they are so well known for, so you could seek out one of those.
Isle were on the Generator boards (Blanks from BBS), the difference being medium distributors would get the Generator blanks, then put on the heat transfer graphics of whatever brands they distribute, so would be more likely to change woodshop than some of the brands like Magenta who seem to get the whole deal at the BBS end of things, eg the boards are pressed, graphics put on and everything done, then shipped out from BBS.
This is the sort of thing that mid tier distributors do as well. Getting the licensed brand graphics and putting them on whatever wood you have. Not saying this is an issue, so much as it is just part of the skateboard industry that often causes confusion and some issues when people or even the company says what woodshop they use (in the USA), compared to what a mid to small distributor from a different continent uses for the same brand.
An example of this / heat transfer graphics being applied:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRlYkdhIa28/