Where did the film B-roll trend start?

[thanksgiving]

It feels like this is in every single video nowadays, but who do we blame/thank for it? Obviously it can be done tastefully, but I never need to see some guy pushing or hugging his homies on 8mm again.

edit: to clarify, those shots in between clips that always unnecessarily have film burn effects/recorded on film. Not B roll itself, but the aesthetic that its taken. Some dude sitting on a hill drinking a beer, or pushing, etc.

[matta]

Earliest ones i remember were from Stay Gold. 2010?

EDIT: misread this, disregard. probably some workshop thing.

[Mean salto]

What are we counting as b roll? I'd say fully flared really changed a lot of how people made videos for a while but that's years after visual sound and then that's only just after video days and Powell videos so really skate videos have always had b roll

[CHONGO]

Fully flared or emerica

[Atiba Applebum]

B-roll isn’t b-sides

B-roll is like 16mm shots of homeless people, sea gulls, riders looking out of windows

B-sides are more accurately known as raw footage.   An unedited lump of footage.   True b-sides would be the tricks that didn’t make the part (and that back in the day would have been given to 411vm or a wheel sponsor)

[thanksgiving]

What are we counting as b roll? I'd say fully flared really changed a lot of how people made videos for a while but that's years after visual sound and then that's only just after video days and Powell videos so really skate videos have always had b roll

im talking about the broll recorded on film, that often adds nothing(think any Vans edit). It is used everywhere and often out of place aesthetically as it is just standard now, like in the recent Ishod part: https://youtu.be/29-o8rogijk?t=207

[SR ACF]

This has been a thing in street snowboarding Videos for 10-15 years now and started with a guy called Justin Meyer and his production called Videograss which became the hottest thing in snowboarding. Probably not the first but that's where I saw and quickly tired of it long before it became the norm in every uninspired skate edit out there. Could also be it's just that analog Film is all the rage in commercial and music video filmmaking right now and every second skate fimer fancies themselves a Spike Jonze in the making

[Atiba Applebum]

The only two answers are: 90s alien workshop b-roll and 90s Transworld b-roll.   Take your pick on which one you specifically mean (but it sounds like more tws than AWS)

[Freelancevagrant]

1987, Natas Kaupas in wheels of fire. 1:03

[SATIVA HYBRID]

Alien Workshop duh

[Murge]

If it wasn’t created by AWS it was probably made popular by them

[theoriginalgoon]

Memory Screen AWS

[rawbertson.]

G&S Footage 1990



Carter and Mike Hill, Neil Blender influence as well likely

https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2016/04/chrome-ball-interview-90-chris-sarge.html

[Theme For A Jackal]

The only two answers are: 90s alien workshop b-roll and 90s Transworld b-roll.   Take your pick on which one you specifically mean (but it sounds like more tws than AWS)

This, can't believe people giving post 2005 answers

[frontfootimpossible]

I love b-roll, in all its forms, especially funny quick cuts - think steve olson jumping off hubba hideout wall clip.

I think skate videos with nothing but skating are pretty devoid of character. Being good at skating is pretty standard, so you have to be entertaining.

[The Mad Rapper]

I think it all started with DVD era. Menikmati, this is skateboard, yeah right. one of those.

Id say emerica for sure.

[Tear Up a Trick]

When did B-roll trend start?

I would say Powell Peralta's "Axe Rated" which was 1988 and contained B-roll footage from The Search For Animal Chin and other random footage.

[Kanye Omari West]

The POPULARIZATION of the B sides "phenom" is definitely from Stay Gold.

There's always leftover footage that doesn't make it in and it does leak out into other places or even on extra parts of the DVD of whatever videos or locked in a vault but straight up trick battles and behind the scenes stuff wasn't how we view it now as a bonus thing until Emerica Stay Gold and they released it via thrasher

[biaherl]

SINCE THE DAWN OF FUCKING TIME!!!

[Uncle Flea]

What are we counting as b roll? I'd say fully flared really changed a lot of how people made videos for a while but that's years after visual sound and then that's only just after video days and Powell videos so really skate videos have always had b roll

I agree. Powell was heavy b roll

[able]

 Fully Flared was pretty heavy handed with the b-role in 2007. I think we nicknamed them “lifestyle shots.” Basically, skater headshots mixed throughout their video parts. Not diminishing the influence of prior videos but I think “lifestyle” shots became instantly more popular post-Fully Flared.

[Justis]

As old as skateboarding itself I’d say

[DefNotJimmy]

B-roll isn’t b-sides

B-roll is like 16mm shots of homeless people, sea gulls, riders looking out of windows

B-sides are more accurately known as raw footage.   An unedited lump of footage.   True b-sides would be the tricks that didn’t make the part (and that back in the day would have been given to 411vm or a wheel sponsor)

This is a good definition.

 they've been around since the dawn of filmmaking, short/indie films you see em alot. In the credits of smaller films there commonplace as well. 

If we are talking skateboarding specifically again pretty much since the start of people making skate films. Theres broll in Video Days and even in some eariler videos, all those clips of gonz being goofy off a skateboard back in the day is b-roll. B-roll, lifestyleshot, hijinx, etc. nothing new nor trendy about it really, they spliced b-roll footage of the zboys from the 70s all through Lord's of Dogtown. The shits so blown out even Hollywood skatebaord researchers knew it needed to be a part of their movie.

[DannyDee]

using 16mm or 8mm film b-roll has been around forever. Alien (and Habitat to a lesser extent) is probably the brand most associated with it. The "gay bird" moment in Baker 3 is taking the piss at that type of editing style (Mosiac, Yeah Right Montage, Photosythesis, etc), and that video is like 17 years old now.

[Sicebox]

Converse videos always have the most tasteful b-roll. I agree that when its just thrown in it looks corny, but a skate video without any break from the raw skating, like its just clips back to back for the whole video, is hard to watch. I think you need to break up the skating every so often with some kind of b-roll whether it be random shots, clips from old movies, etc. because otherwise the skating would just be too dense and you would lose focus.

[Freelancevagrant]

Still holding onto Natas having the first B-Roll in 1987. But, in 1988 in public domain mike v ran through a graveyard, that counts as b-roll right?

[Atiba Applebum]

Still holding onto Natas having the first B-Roll in 1987. But, in 1988 in public domain mike v ran through a graveyard, that counts as b-roll right?

Yeah, but the topic is about the trend starting, not first documented instance.   It may have been a thing in the 80s, but it wasn’t a “thing” yet

[AsianVegan]

The "Arty" B-Roll reminds me of Subtitles and Seagulls, Ethan Fowler's part basically goes trick, 8mm clip, trick, 8mm clip, trick etc. But Photosynthesis did it way more tastefully.

As well as the Ty Evans B-Roll that someone mentioned, I'll add the "Hijinx" B-Roll that obviously was a Baker 2G thing.

[Freelancevagrant]

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Still holding onto Natas having the first B-Roll in 1987. But, in 1988 in public domain mike v ran through a graveyard, that counts as b-roll right?

[close]

Yeah, but the topic is about the trend starting, not first documented instance.   It may have been a thing in the 80s, but it wasn’t a “thing” yet

Well, I’m thoroughly embarrassed and didn’t read the prompt.

Sorry everyone, I shall see myself out.

[BALARGUE]

As old as skateboarding itself I’d say

it's part of documenting skateboarding in the streets