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do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« on: March 28, 2022, 09:39:28 PM »
i got front smiths without having front 5-0s. Albeit, i feel like it took me a long time. As soon as i started trying Front 5-0s, i got them within a week.

Are back smiths the same? Should i be trying BS 5-0s first and then try smiths? a lot of trick tips on youtube say that you should have 5-0s before the corresponding smith, so ive come to belive that i fucked up the order of it

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2022, 10:37:13 PM »
BS 5-0s are easier than BS smiths, very helpful too though I'd say probably not essential.

I can back smith way better than back 5-0, because I never do back 5-0s and always do back smiths. I learned back smiths not too long after I figured out proper back 5050s, knew how to back 5-0 before that but definitely didn't have them dialed.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2022, 09:33:17 AM »
BS 5-0s are easier than BS smiths, very helpful too though I'd say probably not essential.

I can back smith way better than back 5-0, because I never do back 5-0s and always do back smiths. I learned back smiths not too long after I figured out proper back 5050s, knew how to back 5-0 before that but definitely didn't have them dialed.

word thank you my g. hopefully you're also talking about ledges, i shouldve been more specific in my post

i fucking hate how vanilla back 5-0s look. imo they only look good when filmed in certain ways, so i don't wanna waste my time with it when i could be working on a trick i actually like

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2022, 11:18:07 AM »
that is a pretty dumb mindset imo, i would just learn everything
typically it shows when you skip steps. your front smiths probably look like shit but you never know
one is not even necssarily harder than the other they are pretty different approaches
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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2022, 11:27:05 AM »
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BS 5-0s are easier than BS smiths, very helpful too though I'd say probably not essential.

I can back smith way better than back 5-0, because I never do back 5-0s and always do back smiths. I learned back smiths not too long after I figured out proper back 5050s, knew how to back 5-0 before that but definitely didn't have them dialed.
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word thank you my g. hopefully you're also talking about ledges, i shouldve been more specific in my post

i fucking hate how vanilla back 5-0s look. imo they only look good when filmed in certain ways, so i don't wanna waste my time with it when i could be working on a trick i actually like

I am talking about ledges. Its good to not skip steps, but in this case its not absolutely mandatory.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 01:07:16 PM »
that is a pretty dumb mindset imo, i would just learn everything
typically it shows when you skip steps. your front smiths probably look like shit but you never know
one is not even necssarily harder than the other they are pretty different approaches

I donít know what mindset youíre referring to my g. I was asking about the order of learning tricks, ofc I wanna learn BS 5-0s eventually I just wanted to know if itís harder to learn smiths without them

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2022, 05:52:46 PM »
I don't think bs 5-0s will actually help you with bs smiths unless you specifically learn them manual style, they're just too different if you stand on the tail in the 5-0.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2022, 08:19:43 PM »
I don't think bs 5-0s will actually help you with bs smiths unless you specifically learn them manual style, they're just too different if you stand on the tail in the 5-0.

you're def right. i've been asking around and i've come to the conclusion that tails are way more useful for learning smiths than 5-0s (in general for bs or fs). smiths pretty much have the same shifty motion as tails, just reduce the amount you turn and lean back as far as you can


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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2022, 01:25:56 AM »
You probably don't actually need back 5-0. As long as you at least have 5050/at least know how to get on a ledge backside. It's probably just rare for anyone to of gone to Smith without already knowing 5-0.
Toot my own horn I'm mad good at back 5-0 and can't back Smith for shit so it's probably not that important

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2022, 04:03:15 AM »
Backside lipslide might help

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2022, 05:43:13 AM »
i got front smiths without having front 5-0s. Albeit, i feel like it took me a long time. As soon as i started trying Front 5-0s, i got them within a week.

Are back smiths the same? Should i be trying BS 5-0s first and then try smiths? a lot of trick tips on youtube say that you should have 5-0s before the corresponding smith, so ive come to belive that i fucked up the order of it

I have done both and I learned bs 5-0s first. Nowadays I do bs smith grinds occasionally and a havenít done a bs 5-0 for more than a year. I recently learned bs tailslides and figuring out that trick has made bs smith grinds way less scary.
Who cares about steps. If you actually want to learn bs smith grinds just practice those. I have a much easier time learning tricks I really want than to go through some heady steps to learn something I tell myself is necessary.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2022, 08:06:33 AM »
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i got front smiths without having front 5-0s. Albeit, i feel like it took me a long time. As soon as i started trying Front 5-0s, i got them within a week.

Are back smiths the same? Should i be trying BS 5-0s first and then try smiths? a lot of trick tips on youtube say that you should have 5-0s before the corresponding smith, so ive come to belive that i fucked up the order of it
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I have done both and I learned bs 5-0s first. Nowadays I do bs smith grinds occasionally and a havenít done a bs 5-0 for more than a year. I recently learned bs tailslides and figuring out that trick has made bs smith grinds way less scary.
Who cares about steps. If you actually want to learn bs smith grinds just practice those. I have a much easier time learning tricks I really want than to go through some heady steps to learn something I tell myself is necessary.


you're right man, its a disease that ive caught where i think i need to follow a specific order to learn tricks in. i guess that now that im 25, i have less time than ever to learn new tricks, so i might as well just try to learn what i really want rather than waste time on tricks im only mildly interested in

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2022, 08:35:53 AM »
I prefer back 5oh. Itís gotta be balanced tho. Tail dragon 5oh is easy stuff.

Back smith is pretty good but itís been hard for me to get back.

If youíre doing backside tricks you should work on bag lady grinds. Theyíre super easy and crazy stylish.

The proper way to lock can be hard. Your back heel side wheel should be elevated if possible like a faking switch feeble grind.

Back 80 fakie 5oh is the greatest curb/ledge grind.

If you can do this trick I salute you. We are the most G of skaters
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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2022, 09:57:45 AM »
I prefer back 5oh. Itís gotta be balanced tho. Tail dragon 5oh is easy stuff.

Back smith is pretty good but itís been hard for me to get back.

If youíre doing backside tricks you should work on bag lady grinds. Theyíre super easy and crazy stylish.

The proper way to lock can be hard. Your back heel side wheel should be elevated if possible like a faking switch feeble grind.

Back 80 fakie 5oh is the greatest curb/ledge grind.

If you can do this trick I salute you. We are the most G of skaters
Tail devils should of definatly been called tail dragons. Excellent pun name

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2022, 09:24:06 PM »
yes, given that both backside smith grinds and backside 5-0s rely on leaning back, knowing backside 5-0s will help you figure out how to distribute that weight on a backside smith + i started learning backside smith grinds by just pointing my backside 5-0s away from the ledge and gradually pointing down and pinching

backside lipslides won't help you, your shoulders should be squared away as if it's a 50-50

I would disagree on that, having more BS ledge tricks in your bag is always helpful, partially mechanically but more confidence in popping into tricks blind sided.

For Smith grinds on ledges / rails, you're not popping up into a 5-0 and then pointing your front truck down, i.e. 2 steps (ollie up, point down). Every time I've tried that I've stuck on the grind (over dipped) or grinded a non-dipped 5-0. I've had better success popping, front foot dragging off and away from the ledge, then slotting my back truck onto the ledge while keeping my shoulders parallel with the ledge. Kind of is the same motion as a BS Lipslide but your back foot rotates deeper to get above / on the ledge / rail.

I'd say being very confident in you BS 50-50 is the most important trick for 5-0s and Smiths.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2022, 09:12:00 AM »
I unlocked back smiths after back tails, bs 5-0s can help especially if you can balance them.

the main battle with smiths after getting into them was to stop noseplowing everytime.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2022, 07:50:10 AM »
Anyone got any advice on how to get more dip on the front truck? My BS Smiths look like BS 50-50 with the front truck not locked on slightly off the side of the ledge.

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Re: do I need BS 5-0's for back smiths?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2022, 08:58:46 AM »
Anyone got any advice on how to get more dip on the front truck? My BS Smiths look like BS 50-50 with the front truck not locked on slightly off the side of the ledge.

Try to ollie into a more dipped position and slowly figure out how to make it grind after you can consistently lock it in like that. Also helps to try lock in with your front foot closer to your back foot and pointed down. You'll have to lean back and exaggerate the motion even more.