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I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
This is an interesting listen if you have the time. It may answer some of your questions. It's about sports not skateboarding though.
I gave this a listen while cooking/eating dinner. pretty interesting story. demonstrates how murky quantifying a gender can be for real. some dimensions I wouldn't have thought about too like testosterone levels. seems like biological sex isn't the end all be all, as many people claim.
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I’m still waiting for somebody that knows what they’re talking about to speak up.
I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
Taylor’s path and right wing media really aren’t the resources that are useful for finding an answer that Taylor supposedly seeks. As piers Morgan has said, women are inferior physically and Taylor nods and agrees to perpetuate her beliefs. Seems like tory hierarchical bullshit. Seems kinda shitty that Red Bull is dodging the issue instead of standing up for trans women as well. They can tell her no.
Howdy! Don't know if you're still looking for viewpoints, I'm very late to this entire thread. I'm a queer female skater with a degree in neuroscience. I love talking about this stuff and I agree, women are the core focus here so we should listen to them primarily. I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread but I'm sure many have shared supportive opinions and also some transphobic and TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) "rhetoric."
This absolute c-word 's behavior is completely embarrassing, the epitome of cringetopia, and deeply transphobic. She's a disgusting human and she deserves all the backlash she receives. I think I recall this person's name bc Andy Anderson has reposted some of her shit. Unfortunate. Otherwise she's a nobody, at least to most people in the scene. Now she seems to be a far-right darling that will hopefully be used and discarded in due time.
The VICE article somebody posted recently was fantastic. Worded well and pretty good journalism on behalf of the skate community. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in as a woman and see if anyone had any particular questions.
Hey what's up. glad to see you in this thread. Since you're in the sciences, what do you know about gender and physical performance? seems like TERF Taylor is running her campaign upon the premise that biological women are weaker physically therefore should compete only amongst themselves. I instantly thought of other abled skaters and that little person skater from Spain that kicks ass at skating. like dude has full pop and a lot of flick. Tons of different bodies in skating too. So is physiological makeup really a distinguishing factor? Seems like Silverman is running her whole campaign on that premise as fact when it really seems it is not that way.
That Sara Higdon interview is one of the least sensational appearances TERF Taylor has made although the hostess still reaffirms and doesn't challenge Silverman's narrative or ask any really interesting questions. I can see Taylor reaching out to Sara as an attempt to say "hey, I have trans people on my side!" even though I feel like the majority of queer, gender non-conforming, trans people I know or have met are not libertarians or support this racist, patriarchal country. It's also worth noting these are two white women talking to each other and I'm not sure if they're inclusive feminists or feminists at all. It's interesting to see the word "woke" being used as a catch all for talking points that are all very complex and nuanced. Using the word "woke" abstracts all these concepts further by lumping them together which is nonsensical then dismissing them all at once under "woke" instead of actually engaging with the material. This demonstrates their inability to give a shit and sympathize with other people. I can see a Trans woman fitting into a conservative worldview. There still is the appeal to authority (boot licking) and belief in a natural hierarchy (man, woman, kid, dog, etc.), just the role of whoever has transitioned changes. Also Sara is ex-military, did some quick search of who she is, explains a lot. Wonder if she's a libertarian getting sweet government healthcare for life. Once again, Taylor is finding media outlets that just kiss her ass and don't actually have any sort of discussion other than an elaboration of what happened from Taylor's view. She's slinging her argument under this bogus belief in biological differences which no host has engaged with that topic at all, they just accept it as fact. Taylor is totally the twitter outrage du jour for conservative media and a this point we're just watching her go through this media circus and best we can do is watch her go through these absurd hoops and skyrocket into kookdem because as demonstrated seems like Taylor doesn't give a shit about listening to anyone that doesn't agree with her or other skaters. I think the question she has is valid, her feelings are valid, but it's a two way street. Gotta listen to others as well. as demonstrated the way Taylor is going about it is horrible and loaded with subtle discrimination/micro-aggressions (but micro aggressions are woke fake news!)
Taylor's choice of media to speak to, along with her acceptance of showing up on these types of shows gives insight into her world view. Looks like she's an asshole conservative that skates. (yes, you're an asshole when the things you do bring suffering upon others both individually and as a group, I'm sure the girl that beat her in the comp is stressed out and I hope she's ok. Being alive is can be difficult enough for trans people). I liked how she mentioned people making fun of her, as if skaters don't dissect everyone's kits and pants lol where the fuck you been Taylor.
I'm still surprised Red Bull hasn't said shit. You think they'd at least have some resources to send out some copy pasta we stand with trans people statement or someone that handles PR as a global brand. Red Bull can even just ban silverman because she's not the one hosting and making the competitions but maybe all the rednecks that drink that sugary crap will get pissed off. As pride month approaches let's get stoked for all these corporations that want to profit off of queer culture when convenient.
Yeah I do know a bit about physiological and physical differences between the sexes. Hormones, as we all know, have great influence on athletic performance and potential. Fun fact: the hormonal cycle in males is 24 hours, in females around 28-29 days. Interestingly enough, a lot of societal "rules" and behaviors we do are kind of rooted in the 24 hour cycle - we start work at the same time in the morning and end in the early evening every day for 5 or 6 days - this is because males have an outburst of energy in the morning and continue to hold their focus in the afternoons, every day. Females don't have this luxury.
But on the other hand, hormones can be fickle and can change concentration by a number of outside stimuli, like caffeine, lack of sleep, environment, diet, drugs, etc etc so I think it's really really hard to pin performance on strictly biological factors. Every human body is totally different like you said, and our metabolisms are totally different, our behaviors, our hygiene, our personal healthiness. The kind of skating we each do is different, and requires different skill sets! I don't understand how this fact isn't blatantly obvious to her and clearly it dismantles her entire argument.
I think she's peddling a completely flawed and hateful argument. It's laughable that anyone would give this serious merit. Unfortunately, the egregious white supremacy in this country emboldens these kind of people to whine and cry publically. The far-right gives them a media platform, and she's just standing in an echo chamber right now. It's exactly like you said in the rest of your post - she's talking about this shit with people who think exactly like her, so it's just stroking their egos and making them feel like they're absolutely right.
And yeah I only remembered this girl's name bc Andy Anderson reposts all kinds of freestyle clips on his stories and he happened to repost some of this bitch. I am starting to have less and less respect for him, between his chumminess with the Braille Scientology bros, and shouting out this sad excuse of a human.
Please know I've never met a single woman skateboarder that comes even close to this witch, she seems like a really pathetic person. Hope the trash takes itself out.
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