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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2490 on: November 22, 2024, 04:20:22 AM »
When you guys switch gear, how long are you trying it before you decide you don't like it?  Switched from ace to indy and its been two weeks and I don't know if I'm going to stay with it

It's totally dependent on how I'm feeling.

I do try to give it two sessions if didn't enjoy it the first time.

But if I hate it enough I'll swap mid session or at the end of the session.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2491 on: November 22, 2024, 04:36:20 AM »
Sometimes you like different things than at other times. A quiver is it.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2492 on: November 22, 2024, 05:02:15 AM »
Sometimes you like different things than at other times. A quiver is it.

I'm happy for the people that enjoy their quivers, and I have one for my cruisers and weird/fun boards.

But I feel like a whole new level of madness would pop up if I had 2-3 normal setups available at all times. I would be choosing a board for the spot/trick etc.

I'd rather just switch my trucks over few months and hate myself/feel crazy like I've done for the past 20 something years of my skateboarding habit.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2493 on: November 22, 2024, 05:09:23 AM »
How the F can I kinda lose my ollie with new, extra gritty grip? I would've thought it'd be the other way around. Front foot not being able to move as much as it should?
Probably that. Your front is getting more drag so there’s less power to level the board out since the power is getting drained into the grip.

Get stronger, and more power to yah.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2494 on: November 22, 2024, 07:12:34 AM »
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How the F can I kinda lose my ollie with new, extra gritty grip? I would've thought it'd be the other way around. Front foot not being able to move as much as it should?
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Probably that. Your front is getting more drag so there’s less power to level the board out since the power is getting drained into the grip.

Get stronger, and more power to yah.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2495 on: November 22, 2024, 08:59:06 AM »
I’m having some wheel madness. Maybe you can help…I’m looking for a more full sized wheel (Conical, Conical full, etc) but it needs to be soft but ride better than the Dragons I have. They feel slow to me on the asphalt by the house, and it isn’t even super crusty.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2496 on: November 22, 2024, 09:26:18 AM »
I’m having some wheel madness. Maybe you can help…I’m looking for a more full sized wheel (Conical, Conical full, etc) but it needs to be soft but ride better than the Dragons I have. They feel slow to me on the asphalt by the house, and it isn’t even super crusty.
I can personally recommend the old formula 97A Spitfire F4, and people here say the new formula is even better.

Dragons feel slow to me too but it also feels like they roll a very long distance for the speed. It's like a slow motion cheat code that makes everything easier. This in a smooth-ish concrete park.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2497 on: November 22, 2024, 02:51:43 PM »
Right on, thanks man, I just might try the 97s!

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2498 on: November 23, 2024, 10:31:37 PM »
I’m having some wheel madness. Maybe you can help…I’m looking for a more full sized wheel (Conical, Conical full, etc) but it needs to be soft but ride better than the Dragons I have. They feel slow to me on the asphalt by the house, and it isn’t even super crusty.
93 radials is the answer.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2499 on: November 29, 2024, 10:46:56 AM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2500 on: November 29, 2024, 02:32:52 PM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?

i find that aces (both classics & af1s) pair better on steeper decks with longer tails

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2501 on: November 29, 2024, 02:58:33 PM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
Had pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2502 on: November 29, 2024, 03:06:32 PM »
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I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
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Had pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.
I don't think I can make that switch. I skated ventures almost exclusively for close to 15 years been on Aces the last 3 and love the turn and feeling. If Ventures were more surfy.. sure..

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2503 on: November 29, 2024, 03:16:57 PM »
Use the Ace Low bushings in Ventures.

If your pop feels low you have to increase your pop angle and if you stick with the same truck then you need substantially bigger wheels (56 vs 52 so you can get 2mm extra height), risers, short tail, or a steep deck. Longer and/or mellower kicks only make it worse. I think there's a reason why massive wheels on Ace is really common.

You could try good old Indy standards and not change any of that and likely see a positive change.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2504 on: November 29, 2024, 04:23:33 PM »
Use the Ace Low bushings in Ventures.

If your pop feels low you have to increase your pop angle and if you stick with the same truck then you need substantially bigger wheels (56 vs 52 so you can get 2mm extra height), risers, short tail, or a steep deck. Longer and/or mellower kicks only make it worse. I think there's a reason why massive wheels on Ace is really common.

You could try good old Indy standards and not change any of that and likely see a positive change.

Truth, it's the best thing we've got until DLX finally decides to sell Venture bushings again.

And Radial Slims.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2505 on: November 29, 2024, 04:53:55 PM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?


Not to take away from any product info and knowledge, as there are often many suggestions and things work for different people, but as a different take, could it be more the human body and not the skateboard?

Reason I say this is as I get older, things slow down and I really feel like I am getting less and less able to do a lot of stuff I used to do, but when I think about it, I am not actually doing much to try to change that fact, as I flatly refuse to go to a gym or do much in the way of working out, but there have been a whole lot of suggestions from others who have made it a priority to stay in as good a physical condition as they can, so they can keep skating more.

That said, small things just around the home (or skate shop) people can do, stretches, small exercises, generally things people might not think of so much, but definitely NOT a big hour work out session ending drenched in sweat and feeling like you need a long bath or whatever.

A few guys I know are all about that sort of thing and I have tried to do a bit more when and where I can, even though I am pretty lazy with stretches and exercise in the athlete type of deal, but I think it really does help a lot and I realise how much I have dropped off, from when I was younger and could just do whatever I wanted.

Just a thought anyway.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2506 on: November 29, 2024, 10:43:39 PM »
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I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
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Had pretty much the same experience. Answer is Venture.
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I don't think I can make that switch. I skated ventures almost exclusively for close to 15 years been on Aces the last 3 and love the turn and feeling. If Ventures were more surfy.. sure..
Same here. Back to Aces and everything even if with Ventures I have better pop the feeling of the truck is just not for me.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2507 on: November 30, 2024, 01:53:03 AM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?

My pop went to utter shit with Ace Classics. They have the shortest wb effect of pretty much all trucks.

My suggestion: if you keep using the same trucks, try a longer wb deck (minimum 14.38, maybe even longer).

If longer deck wb with Aces doesn't work for you, try Forged Indys. Great turn, not too tall, longer wb effect.

Wheel size at 54mm should be ok any which way.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2508 on: November 30, 2024, 03:42:00 AM »
I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
Venture do help with pop but I get so much more tired a lot faster when I skate venture. I recently went back to skating forged hollow 149 on a mellow 8.475 bbs with 53mm wheels and everything pops much easier and higher with way less effort.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2509 on: November 30, 2024, 04:16:10 AM »
Ive been having a very "challenging" year due to injuries. Long story short I was skating a 8.5 Sour board that worked fine but went back to 8.25 which is my preferred size, I thought that less weight could help me get back my tricks.
Had a Foundation 8.25 lying around and I hated it as soon I grabbed it. Wood feels soggy straight away and shape is like meh. Dims are good but nothing else. Shit is heavier than the 8.5 Sour...
Going back to thar one until some Lurpivs I ordered arrive so I can set them up with a fresh 8.25 Sour and probably back to F499 so it will feel more familiar than the 93 I've been skating on the past months.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2510 on: November 30, 2024, 06:23:10 AM »
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I've noticing that my flip tricks aren't popping as of late ( over the last year or so). I thought it was because I was skating steeper boards. Ive started skating mellower boards with shorter wheelbases and its still been an issue. I usually run Ace Classic 44s with 54mm wheels. Curious where to go from here, lower trucks? Smaller wheels? Longer WB?
Anyone had a similar experience? What did you change to fix it?
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Venture do help with pop but I get so much more tired a lot faster when I skate venture. I recently went back to skating forged hollow 149 on a mellow 8.475 bbs with 53mm wheels and everything pops much easier and higher with way less effort.

Forged Hollows are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.

I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged hollows.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2511 on: November 30, 2024, 06:31:08 AM »
Thanks for all of the advice. I don’t think I can switch truck brands. My love of Aces runs deep. Gonna start with a longer wheelbase and see where that takes me.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2512 on: November 30, 2024, 07:22:03 AM »
Thanks for all of the advice. I don’t think I can switch truck brands. My love of Aces runs deep. Gonna start with a longer wheelbase and see where that takes me.

Respect. Let us know how it goes!

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2513 on: November 30, 2024, 09:21:29 AM »

Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.

I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.

Fixed that for you.  ;D

(Goes for both hollows and titaniums, of course)

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2514 on: November 30, 2024, 09:58:14 AM »
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Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.

I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.
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Fixed that for you.  ;D

(Goes for both hollows and titaniums, of course)


I rode Ti for awhile, but don’t think the cost-to-weight ratio between Ti and hollows is proportionate, at least for me.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2515 on: November 30, 2024, 11:03:11 AM »
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Forged titaniums are the best truck, IMHO. Not too high. Not too low. No twitch and weight of Ace, yet way more soul/turn than Thunder/Venture. Plus, Indy makes more aftermarket bushings than any other truck, so you can dial your turn in •exactly• how you want it.

I never have truck madness. Why? Because I ride forged titaniums.
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Fixed that for you.  ;D

(Goes for both hollows and titaniums, of course)
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I rode Ti for awhile, but don’t think the cost-to-weight ratio between Ti and hollows is proportionate, at least for me.

Not necessarily, but I prefer non-hollow axles for the grind sound and how the axle ends don't get f*cked up as easy. Not that I don't enjoy riding hollows as well, it's just a matter of preference.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2516 on: November 30, 2024, 02:11:30 PM »
 Currently skate indy standards 139 with an 8.1, but I have a lot of trouble with the height (and im a Little Guy ahah) Before these trucks, I skated the 139 forged hollows for two years,  and they were perfect, but, they are dead. I would like to go back to lower ones .. Doing a lot of flatground and no big spots, and being small this would be good for me I think .. I would like to buy the forged hollows again but, they are expensive and I managed to find thunder 147 and ventures lows 5.25 with a very low price .. I hesitate between the 2 ! What would you honestly advise me, and what is the différence between the two ?  ;D

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« Reply #2517 on: November 30, 2024, 02:52:17 PM »
I don't see why you wouldn't get what was working before- 139 forged hollows.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2518 on: November 30, 2024, 03:03:04 PM »
Currently skate indy standards 139 with an 8.1, but I have a lot of trouble with the height (and im a Little Guy ahah) Before these trucks, I skated the 139 forged hollows for two years,  and they were perfect, but, they are dead. I would like to go back to lower ones .. Doing a lot of flatground and no big spots, and being small this would be good for me I think .. I would like to buy the forged hollows again but, they are expensive and I managed to find thunder 147 and ventures lows 5.25 with a very low price .. I hesitate between the 2 ! What would you honestly advise me, and what is the différence between the two ?  ;D


Can you just re use the forged baseplates first to see if that makes things work better without having to buy anything?

Either way, you are going from the tallest truck - Indy standard at 55 mm tall, down to either Thunder 147 / Venture Low (with almost zero kingpin clearance) at 50 mm or so in height, which is a crazy difference.

Speaking of the Venture low trucks, I recently set up some on one of my old 8.1 decks and at first it was almost impossible to skate them, but when I drilled them in, like the V8 baseplates, they worked great, at least for what they were.  People who skated the board said it also felt good, but everything was so much lower, eg tricks only got half the height compared to another identical deck with Indys on it.

At least you could always put risers or something under a lower truck to bring it up a little if needed, but you can't make a taller truck lower.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2519 on: December 01, 2024, 08:27:41 AM »
I don't see why you wouldn't get what was working before- 139 forged hollows.

This!
Or as Brimmo stated baseplate/hanger swap.
I had a set of FH and wanted more of the classic Indy turn so I put the hangers on a set of standard bases with hollow kingpin (creating a cast hollow) and it works great. Sort of the same but opposite scenario.
Now you don’t have to break in bushings, get grooves back, or spend money.