Gear madness support thread

[Sedition]

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Not sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.

Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?

Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently? 

@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?

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https://youtube.com/shorts/MDaCv5XkxrY

Ok, that is some what interesting, but still dosen't explain why the usual design self-loosens.

[HyperBeam]

isn't it because a standard kingpin is anchored into the baseplate?

[logjammin]

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I think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging  myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed

Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit

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After 1H Lurpivs feel great

lurpiv stock bushings are like Indy black bushings hard. I find it interesting how many find them to be turny running them stock. they feel tight as hell, to me. ace mediums without bottom washers to keep the geometry, solves the problem and unlocks the trucks. or throw in some Indy stock bushings with normal washers. you will feel them come alive.

[Hqjdncm]

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I think this is the right place to post this, but I just got a baker 8.75 og logo classic shape and the nose is pretty normal for a popsicle but I was hoping it would be more pointed like smaller baker sizes that they are kinda known for
I took a look at the baker tfunk big dawg 8.75 and that seemed to look more like the pointed nose that I wanted but sadly the wb on that was 14.25, a bit too small for me
Might try it out another time if I got extra spending money and feel liked challenging  myself on a smaller wb
I’m not super bummed tho cause it’s a nice big nose on the baker I did get, just disappointed

Anyways just set up my lurpivs and has anyone else who’s ridden them have the bushings feel super hard at first ?
I’m riding them stock, no kp adjustments, while I try to break in the bushings but I am definitely gonna have to loosen them a bit

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After 1H Lurpivs feel great

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lurpiv stock bushings are like Indy black bushings hard. I find it interesting how many find them to be turny running them stock. they feel tight as hell, to me. ace mediums without bottom washers to keep the geometry, solves the problem and unlocks the trucks. or throw in some Indy stock bushings with normal washers. you will feel them come alive.

I loosened them like 1/2 a turn and they do still feel tight, so I might end up doing this, thanks !

[Mbrimson88]

Not sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.

Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?

Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently? 

@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?

On my way...

Ok, so before getting into the main part, I have noted that inverted kingpins have two things going on, not only the little bit of side to side movement of the whole kingpin when it is not hard pressed into the baseplate, but also the baseplate hole for the kingpin can end up ovalling out and at worst case coming apart due to the kingpin moving so much if people are applying so much pressure, especially from heavy angled landings, eg crooks or feeble / smith grinds.

As to the kingpin loosening on its own, this is down to the nyloc on the nut either wearing out or not fully engaging the kingpin, which might seem strange, but I have seen people not tighten their inverted kingpin nut down far enough so the thing is basically finger tight, almost like having the nut only half on there.

From my own experiments, I have only had inverted kingpins move or come loose when the nyloc has been worn out, on some used inverted kingpin trucks that it seemed the previous owner swapped out bushings every other session.  My own inverted kingpins on Indy, Thunder and some other brands have not moved at all in the whole time I have had them, but I am more the sort of person who will ride trucks from new, adjust as needed during the bushing break in period and barely touch the kingpin for the life of the truck, unless something happens and I need to put in new bushings, but again, then just a little adjusting and then left without constantly fiddling with the kingpin or kingpin nut.


Also I think it is important to note here that I have seen repeated hollow inverted kingpins of almost every brand break, so no matter what tech or whatever else is going on, if it is a hollow kingpin, some people are going to have issues with them, while others might never have any problems.

This includes Thunder, when they first came out with the hollow kingpin, then changed to the solid kingpin and I haven't seen any issues since.  Other people have posted the new Ace hollow inverted kingpins in pieces, Slappy hollow inverted kingpins snapped, including the Ultra low versions, etc.

The Indy / Krux current solid versions are said to have a lifetime warranty against breakage, so although they don't have a lot of threads, I have machined them so that they can now fit in Thunder and other inverted kingpin trucks, which require more threads, or have a longer threaded shaft in the baseplate.

There is also a newer version of Indy that I have not seen, which is said to be better and sort out previous issues, but I will wait and see on that one.


For me, besides the Thunder hollow kingpin breaking, all the others, including my own DIY inverted kingpins have not come loose at all and my little bottle of Loctite is still sitting here unopened, which I bought to experiment with after seeing so many issues with inverted kingpins coming loose.

Maybe I am just not as hard on my gear as most people, or don't touch my inverted kingpins once they are set up, but I think overall inverted kingpins get a bit of a bad rep more so because people are always touching or changing things on their trucks, bushings, or skating harder than the product can hold up.

This was definitely the case with the Indy inverted truck assembly when it first came out, with a couple of people I know destroying theirs fairly quickly, whereas the set I had kept and used are still fine to this day.


* Ace has a lock in place kingpin, so a kingpin with three grooves down the shaft and a locking mechanism built into the baseplate, which by all accounts holds the kingpin nicely, but as they are hollow, they do break on some people, so there is that to bear in mind.

[Sedition]

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Not sure where else to post this, but I feel like people here would have the answer.

Most IKP trucks have a well-known problem of loosening-up on their own. Why? What about the design is constantly "faulty?" Why do regular kingpins not have this problem.?

Also, Ace claims they have designed an IKP that solves the issue. Does it? What did they do differently? 

@Mbrimson88 what you got on this one?

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On my way...

Ok, so before getting into the main part, I have noted that inverted kingpins have two things going on, not only the little bit of side to side movement of the whole kingpin when it is not hard pressed into the baseplate, but also the baseplate hole for the kingpin can end up ovalling out and at worst case coming apart due to the kingpin moving so much if people are applying so much pressure, especially from heavy angled landings, eg crooks or feeble / smith grinds.

As to the kingpin loosening on its own, this is down to the nyloc on the nut either wearing out or not fully engaging the kingpin, which might seem strange, but I have seen people not tighten their inverted kingpin nut down far enough so the thing is basically finger tight, almost like having the nut only half on there.

From my own experiments, I have only had inverted kingpins move or come loose when the nyloc has been worn out, on some used inverted kingpin trucks that it seemed the previous owner swapped out bushings every other session.  My own inverted kingpins on Indy, Thunder and some other brands have not moved at all in the whole time I have had them, but I am more the sort of person who will ride trucks from new, adjust as needed during the bushing break in period and barely touch the kingpin for the life of the truck, unless something happens and I need to put in new bushings, but again, then just a little adjusting and then left without constantly fiddling with the kingpin or kingpin nut.


Also I think it is important to note here that I have seen repeated hollow inverted kingpins of almost every brand break, so no matter what tech or whatever else is going on, if it is a hollow kingpin, some people are going to have issues with them, while others might never have any problems.

This includes Thunder, when they first came out with the hollow kingpin, then changed to the solid kingpin and I haven't seen any issues since.  Other people have posted the new Ace hollow inverted kingpins in pieces, Slappy hollow inverted kingpins snapped, including the Ultra low versions, etc.

The Indy / Krux current solid versions are said to have a lifetime warranty against breakage, so although they don't have a lot of threads, I have machined them so that they can now fit in Thunder and other inverted kingpin trucks, which require more threads, or have a longer threaded shaft in the baseplate.

There is also a newer version of Indy that I have not seen, which is said to be better and sort out previous issues, but I will wait and see on that one.


For me, besides the Thunder hollow kingpin breaking, all the others, including my own DIY inverted kingpins have not come loose at all and my little bottle of Loctite is still sitting here unopened, which I bought to experiment with after seeing so many issues with inverted kingpins coming loose.

Maybe I am just not as hard on my gear as most people, or don't touch my inverted kingpins once they are set up, but I think overall inverted kingpins get a bit of a bad rep more so because people are always touching or changing things on their trucks, bushings, or skating harder than the product can hold up.

This was definitely the case with the Indy inverted truck assembly when it first came out, with a couple of people I know destroying theirs fairly quickly, whereas the set I had kept and used are still fine to this day.


* Ace has a lock in place kingpin, so a kingpin with three grooves down the shaft and a locking mechanism built into the baseplate, which by all accounts holds the kingpin nicely, but as they are hollow, they do break on some people, so there is that to bear in mind.

Fascinating! Thanks!

[scab]

Disclaimer: This post is mainly a reminder to myself not to fuck up again.

The weather around here finally cleared up and I've had my first couple of somewhat regular sessions after what has been the shittiest 9 months of my life. Distance makes the heart grow fonder, as they say, and during my involuntary time off the board I was able to admit to myself that what I had convinced myself was madness was actually just consumerism. The simple truth is that I like to buy skate stuff, and in order to justify my purchases I felt compelled to try them all out. Which led to me skating worse because I was using different stuff all the time. Which then then led to buying more gear because the stuff I was using didn't work as well as I wanted it to. Which in turn led to me wasting whole sessions trying to get used to stuff I would replace immediately. Having to step away for a while gave me the distance necessary to realize how counterproductive all that was. Because guess what's waaaaaay more fun than buying skate stuff? Actually skating, well... not well, but somewhat competently. And the fucked up thing is that I knew all along what kind of gear I need to do just that.

8.5 Ishod twin or 8.5/ 8.75 Label (the 14.5 WB does it for me)   
5.8 Ventures
54mm radial fulls

That's my home base. So much so that I don't need to sweat any more details. I or IV stamp? Don't really care. Shortened V8s or forged? I can make it all work equally well. 93, 97 or 99 duro? Just depends on the ground I'm skating.

I promised myself to stick to this type of gear for this whole year. I have no idea how often I'll be able to skate, and I'm determined not to waste any more precious sessions for no reason at all. Wish me luck, pals..

[Hqjdncm]

So my lurpivs have finally broken in, to the point that they are wobbly while the kingpin but is flush. And it feels great. So they much more turny and so fun to skate. Not only that but the grind is pretty damn good, like instantly better than my Indy’s imo and also the pop feel is exactly what I was looking for, that hefty kind of pop from a venture on a 55mm truck which just adds a bit more height to my pop. My tricks have been feeling like they are popping much higher naturally and my consistency feels like it’s going up
The only other things to address is weight , which u feel instantly is much better than Indy, and the pinch, which isn’t amazing like venture but I honestly haven’t been struggling to hold onto my crooks or even cross locking on coping or curbs
All in all I’m pretty stoked on them. I still wanna try some thunders with risers but I might just stick with lurpivs honestly

And the baker I have Feels pretty damn good. But now I just gotta get one of their pointier nose boards with a 14.5 wb

[Sedition]

Disclaimer: This post is mainly a reminder to myself not to fuck up again.

The weather around here finally cleared up and I've had my first couple of somewhat regular sessions after what has been the shittiest 9 months of my life. Distance makes the heart grow fonder, as they say, and during my involuntary time off the board I was able to admit to myself that what I had convinced myself was madness was actually just consumerism. The simple truth is that I like to buy skate stuff, and in order to justify my purchases I felt compelled to try them all out. Which led to me skating worse because I was using different stuff all the time. Which then then led to buying more gear because the stuff I was using didn't work as well as I wanted it to. Which in turn led to me wasting whole sessions trying to get used to stuff I would replace immediately. Having to step away for a while gave me the distance necessary to realize how counterproductive all that was. Because guess what's waaaaaay more fun than buying skate stuff? Actually skating, well... not well, but somewhat competently. And the fucked up thing is that I knew all along what kind of gear I need to do just that.

8.5 Ishod twin or 8.5/ 8.75 Label (the 14.5 WB does it for me)   
5.8 Ventures
54mm radial fulls

That's my home base. So much so that I don't need to sweat any more details. I or IV stamp? Don't really care. Shortened V8s or forged? I can make it all work equally well. 93, 97 or 99 duro? Just depends on the ground I'm skating.

I promised myself to stick to this type of gear for this whole year. I have no idea how often I'll be able to skate, and I'm determined not to waste any more precious sessions for no reason at all. Wish me luck, pals..

Ending madness is really a choice. Yeah, you certainly have to find the range of stuff that works for you (e.g. 9" shaped-deck vs. 7.75"). But once that is done, it's really just a matter of realizing no set-up is perfect for every situation. And chasing utopia leads to, well, madness. From there, it's just making a decision to stick with something. For we all know that switching things up all time only leads...no where. Consistency (of gear) begets consistency (of skating).

So, yeah, I wish you luck sticking with your decision.

[Chalupa]

I’ve skated Ace AF1s, cast Ventures, OG Thunders, T-IIs, and Indy Stage 4s in the past two years.

Stage 4s aren’t for me, and the other brands don’t make big enough trucks for my shaped setups. That pretty much leaves AF1 for my bigger boards.

My problem is that I can’t decide which trucks to have on my popsicles. I waste too much time adjusting foot placement to land some of my go-to tricks because I skate boards with different trucks. It would improve my life if I could stick to one kind of truck for popsicle decks. The problem is that all the trucks have their advantages, but I can’t decide which I like the most. Watching videos of Ben Degros and Dad Board didn’t help me choose.

I can rule out OG Thunders because I’ve gotten pitched on ledges from my wheels sticking on tailslides and am over it. That leaves AF1, T-II, and Venture. I skate everything, mostly at the park, but I don’t do gaps bigger than 5 ft height or length wise. It’s probably 30% ledges, 20% rails, 20% transition, 10% banks, 10% gaps, 10% manual pads.

Please help me decide. I realized that I needed help after adding and removing the Andrew Allen hollows to the cart multiple times in the past few days. I just want to spend more time learning new tricks and getting better at skating the manual pads.

After I get this figured out, I can work on eliminating my madness with decks and truck size.

[Slave IV]

I’ve skated Ace AF1s, cast Ventures, OG Thunders, T-IIs, and Indy Stage 4s in the past two years.

Stage 4s aren’t for me, and the other brands don’t make big enough trucks for my shaped setups. That pretty much leaves AF1 for my bigger boards.

My problem is that I can’t decide which trucks to have on my popsicles. I waste too much time adjusting foot placement to land some of my go-to tricks because I skate boards with different trucks. It would improve my life if I could stick to one kind of truck for popsicle decks. The problem is that all the trucks have their advantages, but I can’t decide which I like the most. Watching videos of Ben Degros and Dad Board didn’t help me choose.

I can rule out OG Thunders because I’ve gotten pitched on ledges from my wheels sticking on tailslides and am over it. That leaves AF1, T-II, and Venture. I skate everything, mostly at the park, but I don’t do gaps bigger than 5 ft height or length wise. It’s probably 30% ledges, 20% rails, 20% transition, 10% banks,  :P10% gaps, 10% manual pads.

Please help me decide. I realized that I needed help after adding and removing the Andrew Allen hollows to the cart multiple times in the past few days. I just want to spend more time learning new tricks and getting better at skating the manual pads.

After I get this figured out, I can work on eliminating my madness with decks and truck size.

This is an easy one! Skate Slappys on bothe setups. 
Kinda messing with you but kinda serious too.

[Sedition]

I’ve skated Ace AF1s, cast Ventures, OG Thunders, T-IIs, and Indy Stage 4s in the past two years.

Stage 4s aren’t for me, and the other brands don’t make big enough trucks for my shaped setups. That pretty much leaves AF1 for my bigger boards.

My problem is that I can’t decide which trucks to have on my popsicles. I waste too much time adjusting foot placement to land some of my go-to tricks because I skate boards with different trucks. It would improve my life if I could stick to one kind of truck for popsicle decks. The problem is that all the trucks have their advantages, but I can’t decide which I like the most. Watching videos of Ben Degros and Dad Board didn’t help me choose.

I can rule out OG Thunders because I’ve gotten pitched on ledges from my wheels sticking on tailslides and am over it. That leaves AF1, T-II, and Venture. I skate everything, mostly at the park, but I don’t do gaps bigger than 5 ft height or length wise. It’s probably 30% ledges, 20% rails, 20% transition, 10% banks, 10% gaps, 10% manual pads.

Please help me decide. I realized that I needed help after adding and removing the Andrew Allen hollows to the cart multiple times in the past few days. I just want to spend more time learning new tricks and getting better at skating the manual pads.

After I get this figured out, I can work on eliminating my madness with decks and truck size.

Indy Forged Hollows. They are right in the middle of that.

It's honestly unfathomable to me people are like, "I can't decide between Ace/T-2 and Ventures." That's like that "I can't decide between Trump and Bernie" voters (meaning only that are SO different from each other).

But seriously, Forged Indys. They are the perfect middle-ground truck.

[Chalupa]

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Thanks. i just don’t have any loyalty to brands, and only encounter problems when I build up more momentum than I can handle while skating transition. That eliminates Venture since the turn is too slow for me. Speed wobbles are more common on AF1 than T-II when I’m skating a deck with 14.25” wheelbase.

I have a set of lightly grinded 149 Forged Hollows from 2019 that I’ll give another try. If I’m not feeling it, I’ll stick with T-IIs and see how much I can get for the Independents from chumps on eBay since it has the cross logo.

[Sandwich Marty]

Forged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.

[Obijuan91]

Forged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.

Lolol I came off Indy’s because of the bozos, got the royal 149s on slappy 1mm risers and I’m loving them. Feel like a nut for letting something as minimal as 1mm be the thing that makes everything perfect but it’s it for me. Love em and turn as good as the Indy’s. Coming from the Indy forged as well too. Tried the thunders but they take too much work to make them work

[Sedition]

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Forged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.

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Lolol I came off Indy’s because of the bozos, got the royal 149s on slappy 1mm risers and I’m loving them. Feel like a nut for letting something as minimal as 1mm be the thing that makes everything perfect but it’s it for me. Love em and turn as good as the Indy’s. Coming from the Indy forged as well too. Tried the thunders but they take too much work to make them work

Indy is a hugely problematic brand. But they make a damn good truck.

Not to send anyone down any other Madness roads, but out of all the other tucks out there, if you want something that is really close to Indy, like as close as you can get without being Indy, then give Slappy Trucks a try.   

[Obijuan91]

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Forged hollows really are the Goldilocks truck. I’m deep in the madness right now. I made some long winded post here the other day denouncing Indy’s and thunders in favor of Ace but deleted it shortly after because I felt like an idiot. I took two setups to the session the other day. One on AF1’s and one on thunder lights. Both felt off in different ways. As much as I hate all the Indy for life bozos I always feel the most well rounded on them. Idk if I’ll ever be loyal to a truck company but that set of forged 149’s has been the closest cure for madness since it all started and everytime I come back to them I wonder why I ever took them off.

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Lolol I came off Indy’s because of the bozos, got the royal 149s on slappy 1mm risers and I’m loving them. Feel like a nut for letting something as minimal as 1mm be the thing that makes everything perfect but it’s it for me. Love em and turn as good as the Indy’s. Coming from the Indy forged as well too. Tried the thunders but they take too much work to make them work

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Indy is a hugely problematic brand. But they make a damn good truck.

Not to send anyone down any other Madness roads, but out of all the other tucks out there, if you want something that is really close to Indy, like as close as you can get without being Indy, then give Slappy Trucks a try.

Slappys are fun trucks, I liked them too, the royals are lighter and cheaper if you can find em lol

[swongolianbbq]

Well, after several flatground sessions running the bones medium top bushings, they look like they're starting to do weird stuff and will probably eventually fall apart. which I kinda had a feeling was gonna happen before even trying it, but they were already in my parts bin so why not. Oh well.

Popped the stock Indy tops back in, nut flush, chillin.

The bones top/stock bottom was definitely a magical combo but yeah there's just too much shit going on with those and I stomp too much. Figured it wouldn't matter on the top since the bottom bushing and the pivot take the brunt of all that bs. But I guess I was wrong. I see a lot of pros running them, but i feel like it's usually the hards. Spanky was putting some new bones mediums in his aces the other day at the baker park. I figure the hards are probably more durable.

Got another set of swiss 6, and didn't want to run them with no caps in my dusty ass garage

So here I am with fuckin bone stock Indy standards and swiss bearings straight outta the box with no finaglin, no acetone shield-poppin shit or buying other parts for my trucks like extra washers and bushings and shit

Kinda nice

Makes my life easier anyways

We'll see how long this bushing bullshit lasts

I think I can deal. I'll probably just run the stocks again from now on. It was fun, kind of a grass-is-greener scenario.

Defo gonna keep sticking to 54mm spitfire classics and Indy 144 standards though, that's been working out good.

I've been rotating between Wair maxes, Leos, air ship PEs, and GT blazers, and though they're all pretty different feeling shoes it's been fine adjusting and it doesn't seem like shoes are too much of a big deal for me anymore.

 I've been skating 8.5 x 14.25 BBS blanks, blue eagle/blue oval, baker OG 8.25, real/AH easy rider 8.5, hardbody 8.25 x 14. Still interested in shorter wheelbases and will continue messing around with those. Just got a 8.3 x 14 twin tail flight deck, and I want to try BBS 8.25 x 14 and a red oval.

So I think as long as my trucks and wheels are the same, I can goof around with different boards and shoes and it's not that big of a deal. 55+ spitfire classics can kinda tire me out. And 52s start to look kinda small to me. Unless the lil softies are cut thinner or something. For some reason they seem smaller than my last set of classic 52s. 53s were always my favorite, but it's gonna wear down anyways so I figure I get a little more bang for my buck with 54s. I also think I'm gonna stick to the 93a ones especially

Idk

[Murge]

Currently going through it with trucks.
I was skating a glasshouse 8.5x32 14.25
With aces then went to venture loved it. Then I don’t remember why. Maybe not loving how they felt in transition (I don’t skate a lot of transition so this is more or less irrelevant but I’m old and trying to kinda learn some ) so I switched to thunders with 86a bottom and 96 top bushings loved that kick flips felt effortless. The glasshouse was retired now skating a 8.5x 32.1ish 14.375 anti hero. Then the temps rose and the bushing in the thunders felt squirrelly. So I put 96a in both. Flip tricks suffering and I feel I’m not popping as high. If I put ace back on will this kinda course correct to get the feeling I had with the glasshouse and thunders?  Since the overall wb with trucks will be about the same 17.375?  I was skating ace still on the 14.25 glasshouse  when I decided to get the 14.375 AH because I felt cramped and wasn’t getting the pop I wanted. Then switched to ventures then thunders on the 14.25. Was happy. Just wonder what pals think if I should be shooting for the overall wb that I enjoyed or something else. After this AH I’ll prob go back to 14.25 wb

[codswallop]

Aces then Indy’s if you got em

[Sedition]

Yesterday I was at a small, local park. Some little kid was there, between the ages of 8 and 10-years-old. He was taking part of broken grind bar, and trying to boardslide, grind, etc. on it. No idea what he was actually trying to do, because he would always jump off right before anything actually happened. He would do this about 5 times, and then he would stop, look around the park, and move the grind bar to some new location, and start trying again. The process would then repeat itself. I laughed, when I suddenly realized, that what I was seeing was an 8-year-olds' version of Gear Madness...as if moving the grind bar (or altering wheelbase by .125") was going to have any substantive impact on the outcome...
 

[Murge]

Aces then Indy’s if you got em

Swapped back to aces this morning before skating for the 14.375 felt great. Felt about the same as the 14.25 and thunders except turning was a bit looser and transition felt better but close

So I guess as long as the overall wheelbase is 17.375 It feels good.  It’s weird the ventures felt good on a 14.25 which would be like 17.5 overall and the thunders felt good on it aswell but the thunders didn’t feel good on the 14.375

[moonordie]

Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️

[Mbrimson88]

Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️

Interesting!

Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.

[moonordie]

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Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️

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Interesting!

Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.

They look good but it's my first lock in wheels ever.
I'm coming from radial full 58mm and before that 54mm so these lock in look quite thin in comparison.
PS: These are some Durao's

[skateboarder4life]

Not that anybody care but you never know who might.
Got tired of the weight in my board with 58mm radial full wheels so I switched to lock in 54mm and as you can see there's a 90 gr difference.
Can't wait to try it and still suck ❤️

This post had me curious and my 9 incher is 2830 grams. Deck rails, 58 mm wheels prob 56 rn tho, little bit of extra acrylic paint and clear coat

[Mbrimson88]

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Interesting!

Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.

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They look good but it's my first lock in wheels ever.
I'm coming from radial full 58mm and before that 54mm so these lock in look quite thin in comparison.
PS: These are some Durao's

The 54 mm x 34 to 35 mm size is my sweet spot I think, so when I had the chance to get them, I didn't hesitate, but the funny thing is when I tried them on a few different things including a mini ramp, they "locked" too much for my liking so I turned them around and had a much better session on them facing inwards, with the Conical edge able to get on and off coping more in the way I was used to.  That is nothing against the wheel shape, just how I am used to skating.

I guess like a few other asymmetric wheels, they have different uses from one side to the other, but I know some other people I skate with really like the lock in back on them for their street stuff, ledges, rails, etc.  I have seen a good number of posts from people skating them both ways, so although there might be what is considered a "right way" to have them, at the end of the day, it is down to whatever works best for the individual.

Hopefully you get a good session in on them and see what you think too, but if they are weird feeling, you could turn them around too, just to see.  Lock in = tablet one side, conical the other = more options.


* It still felt kind of weird having them facing in, but I guess that is the madness, as per this thread, but I have rounded off other worn down Lock Ins in the past, which skated better for the people I passed them on to at the time, so I might still have a go at these once I have skated them a bit more.


** Took a quick pic of that setup just now for reference (a bit out of focus, but you get the idea):

[Richard Skidder]

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Interesting!

Also curious what you think of the newer Lock In shape - they were quite skinny before and now they are more a medium width, with those exact same wheels on another board I set up recently.

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They look good but it's my first lock in wheels ever.
I'm coming from radial full 58mm and before that 54mm so these lock in look quite thin in comparison.
PS: These are some Durao's

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The 54 mm x 34 to 35 mm size is my sweet spot I think, so when I had the chance to get them, I didn't hesitate, but the funny thing is when I tried them on a few different things including a mini ramp, they "locked" too much for my liking so I turned them around and had a much better session on them facing inwards, with the Conical edge able to get on and off coping more in the way I was used to.  That is nothing against the wheel shape, just how I am used to skating.

I guess like a few other asymmetric wheels, they have different uses from one side to the other, but I know some other people I skate with really like the lock in back on them for their street stuff, ledges, rails, etc.  I have seen a good number of posts from people skating them both ways, so although there might be what is considered a "right way" to have them, at the end of the day, it is down to whatever works best for the individual.

Hopefully you get a good session in on them and see what you think too, but if they are weird feeling, you could turn them around too, just to see.  Lock in = tablet one side, conical the other = more options.


* It still felt kind of weird having them facing in, but I guess that is the madness, as per this thread, but I have rounded off other worn down Lock Ins in the past, which skated better for the people I passed them on to at the time, so I might still have a go at these once I have skated them a bit more.


** Took a quick pic of that setup just now for reference (a bit out of focus, but you get the idea):

Similar concept to the OJ Mini-combo shape. Flip it whichever way works best. Like the iconic Jason Lee photo with the freestyle wheels flipped in.

[Mbrimson88]

Similar concept to the OJ Mini-combo shape. Flip it whichever way works best. Like the iconic Jason Lee photo with the freestyle wheels flipped in.

For sure!

Funny looking at pics people have posted fairly recently of that old Jason Lee board, especially one which I can easily see the wheel shape and all that.

The Mini Combo wheels are a good one too, just seems like something about them that makes them skate better than some of the others from the NHS brand, but I can't really think what - the compound, the size, the shape, or something else, but I really don't know right this minute.  Any which way I have had a good number of them come through my hands and have a few sets on boards too.

[F Word]

I’ve noticed i cant skate a shoe if I’ve worn it around casually. Has to go fresh from the box to my board or it feels like its formed to my foot in the wrong way