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Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« on: July 25, 2022, 11:15:01 AM »
Fuck it, letís bring this shit back. Letís chat praxis, theory, share literature, and talk tendencies.

Yíall know me, anarcho-syndicalist, truck driving, union man.

EVERYONE

We donít need to dig and look for reasons to fight amongst ourselves.

If someone is a comrade, treat them as such. If someone is misguided, educate them. If someone is reactionary, call them the fuck out.


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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2022, 11:22:40 AM »
NB4 the extensive catalogue of political theorists, authors & economists gets trotted out again.
I think of myself as a socialist because I have an ďI donít want none unless my homies got someĒ attitude towards life, and implement that ethos into my workplace. All of my employees share equally in the benefits of our collective labors.
When I am enjoying abundance, my neighbors will too.
Maybe that just makes me community minded. I donít know.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2022, 11:43:56 AM »
in b4 lock

Community mindedness and support is the good shit, our struggles are connected

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2022, 12:00:43 PM »
NB4 the extensive catalogue of political theorists, authors & economists gets trotted out again.
I think of myself as a socialist because I have an ďI donít want none unless my homies got someĒ attitude towards life, and implement that ethos into my workplace. All of my employees share equally in the benefits of our collective labors.
When I am enjoying abundance, my neighbors will too.
Maybe that just makes me community minded. I donít know.

If you're limiting the attitude to your homies or peers or perceived race, you've got the reason right there why most countries that have a past or present with "socialist" regimes are so xenophobic and racist. It's one of, if not THE top way to turn a very good idea into a very bad thing. Of course, anybody who remotely defines socialism by its inventor Marx can't possibly deny that a real socialist mindset encompasses all of mankind (or more modernly: all of living nature). Trying to manufacture consent inside a group by distancing it from others will forever be the way to hell. Good thing skateboarding doesn't have this problem at all...

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2022, 12:08:58 PM »
@SR ACF I can personally vouch for Lou as a comrade. He was just using brevity to convey a point, that all workers should control the means of production.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2022, 12:11:06 PM »
I agree with all of these bullet points
You want some queso?Ē
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2022, 12:16:05 PM »
@ihatejulio can we get this moved to whatever, please?
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2022, 12:16:30 PM »
We should move this back to whatever, but this is a welcome move. Inb4 some crybabies go "but why isn't a right wing thread allowed"

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2022, 12:40:08 PM »
Iíve been known to give my heart to the comrade cause however recently Iíve been more centrist anarchism.

Both left and right wing nutjobs are there to fuck you openly with gun nuts and bible thumping anti abortion hypocrisy or smiling faced liarís whoíll shake your hand and stab you in the back when you truly speak your piece.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2022, 12:41:39 PM »
iíve also been more into centrist anarchism lately

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2022, 01:37:50 PM »
Centrist anarchism is a right wing psyop. Friedman and Rothbard were paid out the ass to promote that kind of ideology and to derail the term libertarian. Any sort of laissez-faire type political inclination strikes me as idealism. There won't be peace in such a situation, only a violent conquest, anarchist revolution seems to me an alley-oop for a violent regression into fascism, because those forces do not go away post-revolution.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2022, 01:53:50 PM »
@SR ACF
I see where your very valid point comes from.
To be clear: when I say homies, what I actually mean is HUMANKIND.
However, I am realistic in the reach my practical ďactivismĒ (such as it is) has.
I instituted a policy wherein no worker shall be paid less than double the standard minimum wage for our city, because cost of living is off the charts Ďround parts.
Bonuses & gratuities are shared EQUALLY amongst all positions, from me at the top, on down to the most ďmenialĒ position (because, I cannot do my job without them doing theirs).
In & around my neighborhood, I contribute to our local food & clothing distribution networks, both with product donations, and time/labor.
I do my best to live my ideals.
And I do so because I have young children & I want them to be community minded when they grow up as well.
Think of me as your friendly, local (VERY local) pinko.
Iím here for the peeps.
The merits of one scholarís theories over anotherís? Letís just say I can take it, or leave it, as far as that goes.
Words & discussion are important to broaden understanding & arrive at consensus, but personally, Iím too impatient for all that talk. Iím more of an action guy, I guess.
I kinda like the way that sounds, actuallyÖ Louis Struxworth III: Action Guy!
What a title.


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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2022, 01:54:26 PM »
Centrist Anarchism is just a way for libertarians that don't actually understand anarchism to feel better about being AnCaps.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2022, 02:00:10 PM »
I'm a hoxhaist

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2022, 02:01:40 PM »
I used to openly say I was a leftist until i realized the community is letting 15 year old theatre geeks with hello kitty profile pictures speak for us as a whole. Iíve been around a lot of conservative country folk and iíve been around a number of bernie bros who unironically use the term latinx. All good people who are letting the media drive us further apart as humans.

Every politician is a dickhead and I canít trust anyone running our country to make ethical decisions. Once we as a nation realize our voices do not matter and weíre all fucked i think we can start making progress

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2022, 02:43:25 PM »
Say you have no personality without a political affiliation without saying it: The thread




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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2022, 02:46:13 PM »
Sorry @LouStroux I came in very condescending. I live in Germany where our Eastern states and the bordering countries are head diving into right wing darkness and they all share the USSR heritage, so I guess that's where my sore point comes from.

Since Lou is sharing a lot about his workplace, I think Wolff is right in saying that's where the new socialism will be created vs the political sphere which nobody has any trust in anymore. There really is no way around unions and coops and co-owning towards a bright leftie future and anybody who disagrees with that shouldn't be allowed to call themselves a socialist.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2022, 03:18:52 PM »
I'm a hoxhaist

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2022, 03:23:54 PM »
Centrist anarchism is a right wing psyop. Friedman and Rothbard were paid out the ass to promote that kind of ideology and to derail the term libertarian. Any sort of laissez-faire type political inclination strikes me as idealism. There won't be peace in such a situation, only a violent conquest, anarchist revolution seems to me an alley-oop for a violent regression into fascism, because those forces do not go away post-revolution.
Yeah Iím going to call bs on this opinion, when I had my heart set with anarchism and left leaning views it became a trap for political apathy, lol.

Iíve had myself in the stew at nonviolent protests in Seattle and Portland as well IMF/WTO in DC.

During this time I was unaware of psychosis I was going through I was sizing up cops and not saying a word, dead staring at cops and their 9mm like if you move in aggressive manner Iím grabbing that 9 and blasting, this is for hours straight my eyes telling my intentions.

I guess my views have lost non of itís potency just Iím jaded towards either side hence the centrist views, both sides are trash including libertarian party.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2022, 03:23:59 PM »
My favorite Marx quote is ę The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living Ľ

Yes, looking to the past for clues on how to run shit might help but making a USSR 2.0 wonít work because the material conditions, etc are completely different. Seems like a lot of people gravitating around leftism donít understand this. I also wish democratic socialism was more often denounced as a dead end in leftist circles, it still runs on capitalism and exploitation and needs to fuck off for good.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2022, 03:26:05 PM »
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Centrist anarchism is a right wing psyop. Friedman and Rothbard were paid out the ass to promote that kind of ideology and to derail the term libertarian. Any sort of laissez-faire type political inclination strikes me as idealism. There won't be peace in such a situation, only a violent conquest, anarchist revolution seems to me an alley-oop for a violent regression into fascism, because those forces do not go away post-revolution.
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Yeah Iím going to call bs on this opinion, when I had my heart set with anarchism and left leaning views it became a trap for political apathy, lol.

Iíve had myself in the stew at nonviolent protests in Seattle and Portland as well IMF/WTO in DC.

During this time I was unaware of psychosis I was going through I was sizing up cops and not saying a word, dead staring at cops and their 9mm like if you move in aggressive manner Iím grabbing that 9 and blasting, this is for hours straight my eyes telling my intentions.

I guess my views have lost non of itís potency just Iím jaded towards either side hence the centrist views, both sides are trash including libertarian party.

This is a thread about leftism dude, youíre just a run of the mill neo-lib  ::)

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2022, 03:44:01 PM »
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Centrist anarchism is a right wing psyop. Friedman and Rothbard were paid out the ass to promote that kind of ideology and to derail the term libertarian. Any sort of laissez-faire type political inclination strikes me as idealism. There won't be peace in such a situation, only a violent conquest, anarchist revolution seems to me an alley-oop for a violent regression into fascism, because those forces do not go away post-revolution.
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Yeah Iím going to call bs on this opinion, when I had my heart set with anarchism and left leaning views it became a trap for political apathy, lol.

Iíve had myself in the stew at nonviolent protests in Seattle and Portland as well IMF/WTO in DC.

During this time I was unaware of psychosis I was going through I was sizing up cops and not saying a word, dead staring at cops and their 9mm like if you move in aggressive manner Iím grabbing that 9 and blasting, this is for hours straight my eyes telling my intentions.

I guess my views have lost non of itís potency just Iím jaded towards either side hence the centrist views, both sides are trash including libertarian party.
So you hate things so much you decided to like it that way?

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2022, 04:14:12 PM »
Say you have no personality without a political affiliation without saying it: The thread

from what i've seen on the boards, most of these guys have awesome personalities, and they're rad skaters. Having empathy and believing a better world is possible is just one facet of their identities/beliefs. This is a space where they can share that with each other.

meanwhile, the only thing i've seen you do is stick up for racists and homophobes and spend way too much time losing arguments on a website. your mom should really limit your phone privileges and maybe someday when you're a grown up you'll learn some shit.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2022, 04:23:55 PM »
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Say you have no personality without a political affiliation without saying it: The thread
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from what i've seen on the boards, most of these guys have awesome personalities, and they're rad skaters. Having empathy and believing a better world is possible is just one facet of their identities/beliefs. This is a space where they can share that with each other.

meanwhile, the only thing i've seen you do is stick up for racists and homophobes and spend way too much time losing arguments on a website. your mom should really limit your phone privileges and maybe someday when you're a grown up you'll learn some shit.
Aw, címon man!
Itís not bad enough that his dad wonít buy him skateboards anymore? And now youíre get mom involved too?
Sheíll probably put the kibosh on allowance for a month & young Bolts over here wonít be able to afford any fenty laced herb.
Respectfully, this is a bridge to far.
I think you owe the young individual an apology. ;)

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2022, 04:43:53 PM »
My favorite Marx quote is ę The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living Ľ

Yes, looking to the past for clues on how to run shit might help but making a USSR 2.0 wonít work because the material conditions, etc are completely different. Seems like a lot of people gravitating around leftism donít understand this. I also wish democratic socialism was more often denounced as a dead end in leftist circles, it still runs on capitalism and exploitation and needs to fuck off for good.

Agreed, and I feel like this has been happening more and more the last couple years (or maybe I'm just noticing it more).  Demsoc/DSA in the US seemed to many as a more "palatable" leftism when compared to a bunch of crotchety old anarchists and Marxists, and groups like DSA had a lot of visibility, which was probably good for teenagers just starting to develop their own worldviews especially as a reaction to the growing right wing, but that veneer quickly faded and people realized demsocs are just liberals using the language of social justice for social media infographics

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2022, 04:48:13 PM »
We're about ten years behind in organizing and we've got two years before shit gets worse

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2022, 07:19:00 PM »
It's more than ten and less than two. I'd rather not be so pessimistic, but in fact we are neck-deep. There's been good news out of Latin America, but I'm sure the US will take care of that soon enough.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2022, 08:33:09 PM »
I'm here for it.

NB4 the extensive catalogue of political theorists, authors & economists gets trotted out again.

Found the Trot of the thread 😏

Kidding.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2022, 08:44:04 PM »
I was actually putting together a digital zine about socialism/labor, hacker culture, art/music, and skateboarding.

I did some really cool interviews but ultimately never finished it due to life taking a turn.

Anyone interested in contributing some writing, photos, art? OR get involved in doing some graphic design/page layout to help finish off the existing content?

Pop me a PM if you're interested or just want to learn more.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2022, 08:49:09 PM »
I'm a hoxhaist

I despise youíre anti revisionist Marxism-Leninism, but this song fucking slaps.
https://youtu.be/0du6yLEYauU
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