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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2022, 02:21:40 PM »
The ideas are fine such as they are easy to agree with. It's basically "don't do bad things, only do good things." That's not the problem. The problem is that those are the people normies think everyone on the left is. Three tankies, one of them (Brar) definitely a TERF, and whatever else is going on with Blumenthal these days. Trying to build a left coalition with those three would be a nightmare. Besides that, these aren't revolutionary ideas by any means; that's basically Bernie Sanders' platform with less detail. So with that being the case, they've sort of made it about themselves since there's nothing otherwise unique about it. I'm saying it's cool they're down for all that, but I'd keep them at arms length. That's pretty much what anyone that knows them is already doing.

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« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2022, 02:32:49 PM »
The ideas are fine such as they are easy to agree with. It's basically "don't do bad things, only do good things." That's not the problem. The problem is that those are the people normies think everyone on the left is. Three tankies, one of them (Brar) definitely a TERF, and whatever else is going on with Blumenthal these days. Trying to build a left coalition with those three would be a nightmare. Besides that, these aren't revolutionary ideas by any means; that's basically Bernie Sanders' platform with less detail. So with that being the case, they've sort of made it about themselves since there's nothing otherwise unique about it. I'm saying it's cool they're down for all that, but I'd keep them at arms length. That's pretty much what anyone that knows them is already doing.

You're not going to get some sort of virtual pat on the back for calling others tankies, this ain't reddit mate. Yes these people are clown, their program is vague as fuck and they somehow invited people worse than them to speak at events hosted by them and fuck Max in particular, but calling people tankies in a thread literally titled "leftist thread" is redundant, unless we should rename it to something like "dem succ thread 2" perhaps?

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2022, 03:15:52 PM »
do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.

Aren't these those red brown clowns who had that cringe press conference and are the most obvious "hello fellow communists, not a cia agent here, who would like to purchase some semtex???" guys

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2022, 03:22:21 PM »
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The ideas are fine such as they are easy to agree with. It's basically "don't do bad things, only do good things." That's not the problem. The problem is that those are the people normies think everyone on the left is. Three tankies, one of them (Brar) definitely a TERF, and whatever else is going on with Blumenthal these days. Trying to build a left coalition with those three would be a nightmare. Besides that, these aren't revolutionary ideas by any means; that's basically Bernie Sanders' platform with less detail. So with that being the case, they've sort of made it about themselves since there's nothing otherwise unique about it. I'm saying it's cool they're down for all that, but I'd keep them at arms length. That's pretty much what anyone that knows them is already doing.
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You're not going to get some sort of virtual pat on the back for calling others tankies, this ain't reddit mate. Yes these people are clown, their program is vague as fuck and they somehow invited people worse than them to speak at events hosted by them and fuck Max in particular, but calling people tankies in a thread literally titled "leftist thread" is redundant, unless we should rename it to something like "dem succ thread 2" perhaps?
So in other words you don't know what you're talking about?  And busted out Reddit to someone that doesn't even have a Reddit account or ever even read it. What makes you think I want a pat on the back, mate?

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2022, 03:25:46 PM »
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do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.
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Aren't these those red brown clowns who had that cringe press conference and are the most obvious "hello fellow communists, not a cia agent here, who would like to purchase some semtex???" guys
I tried to put it a nicer way and that maybe didn't go so well.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2022, 04:09:22 PM »
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do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.
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Aren't these those red brown clowns who had that cringe press conference and are the most obvious "hello fellow communists, not a cia agent here, who would like to purchase some semtex???" guys
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I tried to put it a nicer way and that maybe didn't go so well.

Eh fuck it, we don’t play that state capitalist (Leninist) shit ‘round these parts
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2022, 05:20:46 PM »
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The ideas are fine such as they are easy to agree with. It's basically "don't do bad things, only do good things." That's not the problem. The problem is that those are the people normies think everyone on the left is. Three tankies, one of them (Brar) definitely a TERF, and whatever else is going on with Blumenthal these days. Trying to build a left coalition with those three would be a nightmare. Besides that, these aren't revolutionary ideas by any means; that's basically Bernie Sanders' platform with less detail. So with that being the case, they've sort of made it about themselves since there's nothing otherwise unique about it. I'm saying it's cool they're down for all that, but I'd keep them at arms length. That's pretty much what anyone that knows them is already doing.
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You're not going to get some sort of virtual pat on the back for calling others tankies, this ain't reddit mate. Yes these people are clown, their program is vague as fuck and they somehow invited people worse than them to speak at events hosted by them and fuck Max in particular, but calling people tankies in a thread literally titled "leftist thread" is redundant, unless we should rename it to something like "dem succ thread 2" perhaps?
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So in other words you don't know what you're talking about?  And busted out Reddit to someone that doesn't even have a Reddit account or ever even read it. What makes you think I want a pat on the back, mate?

The only people I ever encounter that use the word tankie turn out to be run of the mill liberals and anti-communists so I'm amused to see it used in a thread where communists post.
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do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.
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Aren't these those red brown clowns who had that cringe press conference and are the most obvious "hello fellow communists, not a cia agent here, who would like to purchase some semtex???" guys
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I tried to put it a nicer way and that maybe didn't go so well.
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Eh fuck it, we don’t play that state capitalist (Leninist) shit ‘round these parts

what?

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2022, 05:22:54 PM »
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The ideas are fine such as they are easy to agree with. It's basically "don't do bad things, only do good things." That's not the problem. The problem is that those are the people normies think everyone on the left is. Three tankies, one of them (Brar) definitely a TERF, and whatever else is going on with Blumenthal these days. Trying to build a left coalition with those three would be a nightmare. Besides that, these aren't revolutionary ideas by any means; that's basically Bernie Sanders' platform with less detail. So with that being the case, they've sort of made it about themselves since there's nothing otherwise unique about it. I'm saying it's cool they're down for all that, but I'd keep them at arms length. That's pretty much what anyone that knows them is already doing.
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You're not going to get some sort of virtual pat on the back for calling others tankies, this ain't reddit mate. Yes these people are clown, their program is vague as fuck and they somehow invited people worse than them to speak at events hosted by them and fuck Max in particular, but calling people tankies in a thread literally titled "leftist thread" is redundant, unless we should rename it to something like "dem succ thread 2" perhaps?
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So in other words you don't know what you're talking about?  And busted out Reddit to someone that doesn't even have a Reddit account or ever even read it. What makes you think I want a pat on the back, mate?
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The only people I ever encounter that use the word tankie turn out to be run of the mill liberals and anti-communists so I'm amused to see it used in a thread where communists post.
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do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.
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Aren't these those red brown clowns who had that cringe press conference and are the most obvious "hello fellow communists, not a cia agent here, who would like to purchase some semtex???" guys
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I tried to put it a nicer way and that maybe didn't go so well.
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Eh fuck it, we don’t play that state capitalist (Leninist) shit ‘round these parts
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what?
Maybe you should get out more.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2022, 05:39:45 PM »
@newguy that means you’re probably only hanging out with tankies.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2022, 05:57:36 PM »
so marxists then, correct.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2022, 06:31:43 PM »
I always assumed tankie was more related to Stalinists and USSR stans, maybe toss in some authoritarian Maoists for good measure.  At least that's how I've always used it.  The auth-left is pretty worthy of scorn imo.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2022, 07:36:03 PM »

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2022, 07:52:49 PM »
I always assumed tankie was more related to Stalinists and USSR stans, maybe toss in some authoritarian Maoists for good measure.  At least that's how I've always used it.  The auth-left is pretty worthy of scorn imo.
This is pretty much it right here. It's a term invented by Marxists to disparage asshole Marxists.

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« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2022, 08:17:09 PM »
I got no beef with libertarian Marxists and all the neat tendencies that fall within that umbrella.

But any form of Marxism that advocates for the usurping one vanguard with a people’s vanguard…

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #104 on: July 29, 2022, 10:07:44 PM »
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #105 on: July 29, 2022, 11:17:32 PM »
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I always assumed tankie was more related to Stalinists and USSR stans, maybe toss in some authoritarian Maoists for good measure.  At least that's how I've always used it.  The auth-left is pretty worthy of scorn imo.
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This is pretty much it right here. It's a term invented by Marxists to disparage asshole Marxists.

not true at all. "tankies" was popularized by westerners (brits iirc?) to refer to other, pro-soviet westerners during WW2/Cold war. it is not a leftist term. when used within leftism it is considered revisionist/counter-revolutionary by marxists and antifascist by anarchists.

i've noticed the anarchist and communist divide within leftists is pretty strong online: anarchists hate the red fascists and communists hate the ineffectual individualists blablabla. but this opens up a good leftist "lesser of two evils" thought experiment: capitalism collapsed, nationalist fascism is as powerful and organized as it can, and there are only two options within the left, would you rather...

a) support state communism knowing full well that individual liberties will pay the price while gauging war against fascism and counterrevolution

b) support anarchism knowing full well you'll never address global/systemic issues and the safety/freedom you created is individualist/tribal at best

crude oversimplifications, but might be a good conversation?

feel free to criticize but please, americans and europeans, take a deep breath before coming in with CIA/NATO propaganda. check yourself and your sources first.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2022, 01:49:57 AM »
not true at all. "tankies" was popularized by westerners (brits iirc?) to refer to other, pro-soviet westerners during WW2/Cold war. it is not a leftist term. when used within leftism it is considered revisionist/counter-revolutionary by marxists and antifascist by anarchists.

i've noticed the anarchist and communist divide within leftists is pretty strong online: anarchists hate the red fascists and communists hate the ineffectual individualists blablabla. but this opens up a good leftist "lesser of two evils" thought experiment: capitalism collapsed, nationalist fascism is as powerful and organized as it can, and there are only two options within the left, would you rather...

a) support state communism knowing full well that individual liberties will pay the price while gauging war against fascism and counterrevolution

b) support anarchism knowing full well you'll never address global/systemic issues and the safety/freedom you created is individualist/tribal at best

crude oversimplifications, but might be a good conversation?

feel free to criticize but please, americans and europeans, take a deep breath before coming in with CIA/NATO propaganda. check yourself and your sources first.
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Anecdotally, it seems that term ‘tankie’ emerged in the 1970s as a pejorative term to describe those who supported the Soviet actions in 1968 and was used in internal disputes, especially around the 1977 revamping of the CPGB programme, The British Road to Socialism, where Eurocommunist ideas reached the upper echelons of the party. The 1977 programme emphasised new social movements as part of a ‘broad democratic alliance’, which caused a pro-Soviet section of the party to leave to form the pro-Stalin New Communist Party (headed by Sid French). The NCP were the archetypal ‘tankies’ and probably referred to by their opposition within the CPGB, although none of the polemical documents created inside the CPGB use the term nor does any of the coverage of the 1977 split by any of the CPGB’s rivals on the far left that has been uncovered so far. As Willie Thompson wrote in his 1992 history of the CPGB:

‘Sectarians’, ‘traditionalists’ and ‘Stalinists’ were all employed, the first being favoured in formal debate, although in private conversation it was usually ‘tankie’, from the support this faction had given to the Czechoslovak invasion.
Tankie: The Origins of an Epithet

As far as online leftist discourse, it very much seems to mainly consist of arguments among recently radicalized people that don't really know what they're talking about. Old heads tend to just stay away from it. Concerning that thought experiment: under those conditions there's no time to argue over whether a or b, we just have to all agree to be antifascist. This is pretty close to current reality, which is why I have the disposition of "we don't have time to argue about this shit." The damn normies are having arguments over whether or not the senate parliamentarian should just be ignored so congress can pass a bill that marginally addresses climate change. We're in really bad shape. The Doomsday Clock is at 100 seconds to midnight, which seems optimistic to me at this point.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2022, 02:43:49 AM »
I appreciate the info, I was def missing some context there (and didn’t check myself as I suggested ha)

And yeah… I feel you for sure, it’s a valid answer. I think we really need to trust that our fellow leftists are doing their best praxis out in the world, and do so ourselves too. one could say leftist unity is a necessity more than an ideal at this point, which is why seeing all the internet infighting can be so disheartening at times…
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2022, 05:25:31 AM »
Thank you. As an anarcho-syndicalist I do appreciate conversations around the finer details even when they do get contentious. The problem, though, is that there are so many realities we have to pass through to get to such a point that it's just blowing smoke. How do we facilitate passing through those realities? Who the fuck knows? I don't have a lot of time left and I really feel for the kids. I don't know how they're going to dig their way out of it. At least they seem to have identified that the problem is neo-liberalism. There's some hope.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #109 on: July 31, 2022, 10:34:50 AM »
do any of us know about these people?

https://cpiusa.org/government-of-action

A Four-Point Plan to Rescue the Country
1A Mass Mobilization to Rebuild The Country. Now is the time to hire the millions of unemployed at union wages. ...
2Public Ownership of Natural Resources. ...
3Public Control of Banking. ...
4An Economic Bill of Rights.

My only issue with it is that it doesn't explicitly mention foreign policy

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2022, 07:12:47 AM »
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Guys I've got a good starter for an actual discussion maybe. I've only recently been getting into my Mark Fisher (yeah I know) and something struck me, both while reading his stuff (mainly referring to the Vampire Castle essay here) and secondary literature discussing it. Some of it, including parts of Fisher's own writing, sound an awful lot like petty infighting to me, but there was an overarching theme that emerged which I really resonated with:

The left of today has lost sight of class analysis and this has paralysed it and made it easy prey for manipulation. The main reason for this (and that's what excited me) is that people aren't so much rejecting the notion of class, but that nobody knows what the word is supposed to actually mean in our world of today. We need a new and modern definition of "class" that makes it obvious that class is at the heart of ALL struggles for equality and justice.

So, what could that definition be? Or do you disagree with the argument because a) you've got a perfectly good definition already or b) class is dead to you?

I'm asking because I do agree with the argument but am not sure about what a good modern definition could be.

(Also wasn't there a thread on here a while ago that exemplifies this problem perfectly where one guy bashed on another guy about class and racism?)
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This is reminding me of Thomas Frank (of the Baffler) and his book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F_(book)

Thomas Frank is a sort of Social Democrat, but his point is applicable to this discussion. He basically argues that Fox News (etc.) have effectively and successfully redefined the word "class" in an effort to target and dismantle real class solidarity. Its been a while since I've read it so excuse me if I am a little off base...

He argued that conservative media had basically redefined class to purely (superficial) aesthetic qualities. They made it so to their Fox News viewers: class is NOT your economic position as a worker, but instead class is your consumer tastes and lifestyle choices.

ie) "Regular People" drink coffee and beer, "The Elites" drink lattes and wine. "Regular People" drive pickup trucks and Hummers, "The Elites" drive hybrid/electric cars. "Regular People" go to church and love their family, "The Elites" get abortions.

Its basically trying to make it so instead of class being about your economic position, class is instead about the non-traditional quality of your lifestyle and consumer habits. So even if two people are both making $50k a year, depending on their lifestyle and purchasing habits, they are a "Liberal Elite" or a regular person.

And this then applies across real economic positions. So essentially, a multi-millionaire conservative politician or TV personality is not an "Elite", BUT people who make $50k a year that get Starbucks lattes ARE a "Liberal Elite".

You can really see this backwards mentality has expanded in the 18 years since the book. Especially with Tucker Carlson (comes from a VERY wealthy family), Trump, and all the other rich conservatives that do this fake "populism" that rallies against "The Elites" and Amazon in bad faith, while actually just hammering home social "culture war" issues to further divide conservatives from understanding class solidarity. They have no interest in actually taking on Amazon and billionaires, they just use it as a carrot on the end of the rope to double down on culture war outrage, and redirect viewers away from true class solidarity.

So again, rather than class being its true essence of workers vs. owners (proletariat vs. bourgeoisie) they have transformed it for their viewers to instead be conservatives. vs liberals.

Its definitely true, and as leftists we have to identify and address this dynamic when talking with centrists/conservatives (heck, and liberals... since they also have their own version of this to a certain extent).

This is so accurate.
I grew up with posh side of the family and more redneck side of the family.
Both were extremely successful boomers...
So I've had a taste of the good life while my older gen X parents struggled.
I always was confused why my Texas hunter/fisherman friends were not voting for environmental policies to conserve their lifestyle. Then I remembered most were employed by oil and gas adjacent jobs so they are caught in a trap. Bite the hand that feeds?
They always would laugh at city folk etc but the reality is they were just as bougie, just different products.
for example. yeti coolers, big expensive trucks etc. The illusion of a culture difference is perpetuated when the reality is besides the religious nuts, they have more in common with people making the same money as they are.

The "soon to be millionaire" fantasy people think that is a lot of money, and vote red when they need to realize the taxation needs to go to fuck you money people and corporations that exploit lobbyists to influence policy to create profit without playing by the rules individuals are bound by.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #111 on: August 02, 2022, 01:53:16 PM »
I know I'm a leftist, but I have absolutely no clue what my taxonomy would be.

I'm not really a student of formal/academic leftist writing, but I happen to fit some molds (as I've been told by folks that are more into that than I am).

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #112 on: August 02, 2022, 02:01:49 PM »
I know I'm a leftist, but I have absolutely no clue what my taxonomy would be.

I'm not really a student of formal/academic leftist writing, but I happen to fit some molds (as I've been told by folks that are more into that than I am).

Honestly I'm here for left unity. Petty infighting is op shit. Don't do it unless the CIA banks up the Brinks truck

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #113 on: August 02, 2022, 02:31:10 PM »
I too firmly believe a collapse is much more likely to occur before any real reform happens.

I also firmly believe that the term "tankies" should be applicable to half-human, half-tank hybrid transformer types of folks.

Interesting thread, I don't know much about this topic I just know I am over business as usual and the two party system and all it entails.
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2022, 02:59:09 PM »
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I know I'm a leftist, but I have absolutely no clue what my taxonomy would be.

I'm not really a student of formal/academic leftist writing, but I happen to fit some molds (as I've been told by folks that are more into that than I am).
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Honestly I'm here for left unity. Petty infighting is op shit. Don't do it unless the CIA banks up the Brinks truck

yeah i’m with this. unless you’re in a group that’s well organized, boiling your politics down to certain terms seems kind of unproductive. maybe i’m wrong.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #115 on: August 02, 2022, 03:04:07 PM »
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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2022, 04:24:20 PM »
You gotta hand it to her...she makes sure you know she knows what day of the week it is.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2022, 04:41:41 AM »
Thank you. As an anarcho-syndicalist I do appreciate conversations around the finer details even when they do get contentious. The problem, though, is that there are so many realities we have to pass through to get to such a point that it's just blowing smoke. How do we facilitate passing through those realities? Who the fuck knows? I don't have a lot of time left and I really feel for the kids. I don't know how they're going to dig their way out of it. At least they seem to have identified that the problem is neo-liberalism. There's some hope.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #118 on: August 03, 2022, 03:49:37 PM »
hi I'm new here and don't really know what to ID as (leftist is likely accurate) but
-I hate gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the lack of secularism in the US
-just want socialized medicine and am very passionate about it
-corporations and capitalism must be dismantled
-I'm collapse aware and am frustrated more people are not aware
-honestly terrified I won't be able to marry my partner because we're both women
-not stoked on losing my human/bodily rights because of religion and general ignorance

hello comrades. my background is in biological science so I admittedly do not know much about sociology, political science, theology, etc etc but I hope to learn some new things from info you guys share.

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Re: Leftist thread 2: the saga continues
« Reply #119 on: August 03, 2022, 04:00:46 PM »
hi I'm new here and don't really know what to ID as (leftist is likely accurate) but
-I hate gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the lack of secularism in the US
-just want socialized medicine and am very passionate about it
-corporations and capitalism must be dismantled
-I'm collapse aware and am frustrated more people are not aware
-honestly terrified I won't be able to marry my partner because we're both women
-not stoked on losing my human/bodily rights because of religion and general ignorance

hello comrades. my background is in biological science so I admittedly do not know much about sociology, political science, theology, etc etc but I hope to learn some new things from info you guys share.

Welcome!